Re: help please re: pasture
This message is from: katesei...@aol.com My gelding is relatively flat soled, even after being barefoot for 4 years. Great big round feet, fabulous shape, but just not nicely concave. He is fine in most places, but on rocky gravel will still mince. And my mare who has rock hard feet will also mince on gravel. They just don't like it. Kate with Della and Joe ** In a message dated 4/16/2009 12:41:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mcdic...@hotmail.com writes: He has never exhibited lameness but he is flat soled and tender at times. He lives in a paddock paradise environment this is 20 foot wide gravel and mud track with access to pasture am and pm. I am concerned because he does get a cresty neck **Great deals on Dellâs most popular laptops â Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220029082x1201385915/aol?redir=http :%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213969145%3B35701480%3Bh) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Help for my aching QH
This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com Try Equine Corta-flex RX 100 Ultimate solution, It not only has glucosamine and chondroitin, but alo Hylauronic acid, Devil's Claw and Yucca so you have both the joint suppliment plus the same stuff that's in BL soslution. It really seems to help 34 year old Bjarne, altho I don't know what it will do for your old horse with the hock problem. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, still waiting for spring. We have not done joint supplements or other types of injections (which I sort of dimly understood would not really help with arthritis in the upper joint...but I did not look into it a lot because he is not a performance horse...just our good old guy). Recommendations? We do have a vet coming out next week and could have him looked at further, but I figured that I should get up to speed before she comes out. Am willing to buy BL solution, chondroitin, all that stuff if people think it will help. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: help for owners of blind horses
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rolling Dog Ranch? This is a wonderful organization.? Here is the link to the section dedicated to their blind horses.? It has a section with information about caring for your blind horse.? http://www.blindhorses.org/ I hope that your mare's blindness will be limited to the one eye, she has many active years, and her only limitation will be in the therapy program due to the rules. Linda The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: help for owners of blind horses
This message is from: jen frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] I should have known that Linda would come up with the rescue that helps blind horses! Linda, you are the BEST!! Jen On 7/2/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rolling Dog Ranch? This is a wonderful organization.? Here is the link to the section dedicated to their blind horses.? It has a section with information about caring for your blind horse.? http://www.blindhorses.org/ I hope that your mare's blindness will be limited to the one eye, she has many active years, and her only limitation will be in the therapy program due to the rules. Linda The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: help for lame Fjord
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Yaesmine, If you can hose his leg with cold water it will help bring down the swelling. Hope this helps. Alison Sundre where the flies are horrible. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Help needed Hoof problem
This message is from: jerrell friz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Yasmine, Sounds normal to me. But, send a picture if you can to me, I'll take a look. Regards, Jerry Friz, Anderson, Ca. - Original Message - From: Nature Friends Outdoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:47 AM Subject: Help needed Hoof problem For your security this Message has been checked for Viruses as a courtesy of Com-Pair Services! The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Help needed Hoof problem
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Yasmine, In the normal hoof, as it grows, there is a layer of thin soft tissue (like our cuticle?) that grows down with the hoof from the coronary band. When the hoof is dry it isn't very noticeable, but when it gets wet, this thin dead tissue becomes soft and more obvious. I think this is what you are seeing. You can probably scrape it off with your fingernail. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, too warm at 80 degrees today, with 21 1/2 hours of sunlight, will be 85 degrees on the 4th! Yesterday, after a few days of steady rain I noticed that the top part of all 4 of Stormy's hoofs had about one inch of whithish soft and uneaven texture. It seemed also that the hair that usually covers the very top of the hoofs (where they start growing) is retreating. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Help needed Hoof problem
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Yasmine, I have been meaning to write you because I too have a fjord named Stormy. Mine is a grey dun, is yours? On the issue of the hoofs, I am sure someone out there knows more than I do but I just thought I would tell you that this same things happens to my Percheron when he is allowed to be in an irrigated (flooded) pasture. I was concerned about it too but as soon as the water subsides, his hoofs return to normal with no damage that I can tell. I don't think its a fungus or founder. Let us know if it clears up when it stops raining and has a chance to dry out. Bonnie Visalia, CA forcast for July 4th---107 degrees! - Original Message - From: Nature Friends Outdoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:47 AM Subject: Help needed Hoof problem This message is from: Nature Friends Outdoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Everybody, Yesterday, after a few days of steady rain I noticed that the top part of all 4 of Stormy's hoofs had about one inch of whithish soft and uneaven texture. It seemed also that the hair that usually covers the very top of the hoofs (where they start growing) is retreating. I have no access to a vet here (the downside of homesteading in Central Yukon !) and was wondering if someone knew what this could be. Stormy is 4 years old, in a dry lot (that's mord a mud lot after all this rain), and grazes 1-2 hours mornings and evenings. He is not fat and is lightly worked. I have not noticed any difference in his behaviour but I am a bit worried about the aspect of his hoofs. Could that be a fungus or a sign of founder ?? I coud send a picture if someone was willing to advise ! Thanks in advance Best Regards Yasmine Djabri The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
re: help needed hoof problem
This message is from: Emily Wigley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yasmine, this white softening at the top of the hoof (the coronet band) is normal and natural when there is an extreme environmental change to the wetter. Here in the Seattle area where it is quite wet, we get the same thing, and it's just the hoof's way of dealing with the increased moisture. No care is needed, nothing is wrong. Enjoy your pony up in the wild frontier! Emily Emily Wigley Fish Bowl Farm Vashon Island, Washington http://www.fishbowlfarm.com • [EMAIL PROTECTED] • 206-463-5473 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: help please
This message is from: Reena Giola [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am not on the digest, but I too, sometimes have to scroll through a ton of the email only to find way at the bottom, the reply. It is easier to read a reply to an email (such as I am doing here) if you put it at the TOP of the message with the original below Reena in AZ Gustav (who has been body clipped twice and now has a trace clip) This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] can we all quote just enough to clarify what we are referring to, when we reply. i just scrolled through many repetitions and answers just to get to a one line response to the initial post The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Help with bit selection
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Roberta, I am interested in this bit, but couldn't figure out which one it was on the State Line web site. Do you know the maker or more info? Thanks, Julie in CA In a message dated 9/7/2005 7:55:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I had a revelation this year. I had been having a bit ( hee hee ) of trouble getting Gunnar working and finally paid enough attention to see that the bit was irritating to him as well as just not large enough. It fit but it was a tight fit. After reading some wear that Fjords have a low pallet and that broken bits have a nut cracker effect for these horses, that fjords have a need for a larger than average size ( 5 ) things started to click. I found a short shanked low port curb 5 1/2 and man did that change things : ))!!! His head set instantly and the pleasure trot is coming along nicely! I wouldn't trade this bit for nothing. Best part is I found it at state line tack and paid only 19.95 for it, and it really looks nice ( enough for the ring ). I am really excited about the success we're having now!! I tried all the bits I had and some I borrowed and finally I got smart and remembered what I read and it worked! Very happy western pleasure rider : )) Roberta MN
Re: Help with bit selection
This message is from: Warren Stockwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had a revelation this year. I had been having a bit ( hee hee ) of trouble getting Gunnar working and finally paid enough attention to see that the bit was irritating to him as well as just not large enough. It fit but it was a tight fit. After reading some wear that Fjords have a low pallet and that broken bits have a nut cracker effect for these horses, that fjords have a need for a larger than average size ( 5 ) things started to click. I found a short shanked low port curb 5 1/2 and man did that change things : ))!!! His head set instantly and the pleasure trot is coming along nicely! I wouldn't trade this bit for nothing. Best part is I found it at state line tack and paid only 19.95 for it, and it really looks nice ( enough for the ring ). I am really excited about the success we're having now!! I tried all the bits I had and some I borrowed and finally I got smart and remembered what I read and it worked! Very happy western pleasure rider : )) Roberta MN - Original Message - From: Carolyn Mele [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 7:27 PM Subject: Fw: Help with bit selection This message is from: Carolyn Mele [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Carolyn Mele To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 3:55 PM Subject: Help with bit selection Hi List Carolyn in So. Indiana again, been lurking lately. I have finally had my baby boy and am looking forward to getting started with my Fjord now.(hopefully before old man winter comes.) I have ridden him a few times in an eggbutt snaffle but do not have much leverage. I ride western so am not sure what to try to use on him. I do not have much backround info on him except that for the last three years he was mostly just a cart pony (which i hope to master next year) any suggestions would be helpful. He is very forward but not out of control just a little high headed and strong. As a side note , yes my little fella is popping his winter coat already too. Carolyn
Re: help on information on a horse
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/11/2005 7:52:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brigid: When I borrowed the Destron scanner from NFHR, I tried to scan all the animals I have here that are AVID chipped and it did not read anything at all. It showed no sign of the chip. On the animals that have the Home again chip, it read it fine. So that scanner did NOT read any sign of the AVID chip. Just my observation, Rondi.
Re: help on information on a horse
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/12/2005 6:42:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I borrowed the Destron scanner from NFHR, I tried to scan all the animals I have here that are AVID chipped and it did not read anything at all. It showed no sign of the chip. On the animals that have the Home again chip, it read it fine. So that scanner did NOT read any sign of the AVID chip. Hi Rondi- Thanks for letting me know. The web site claims that the chip can be read by a Destron scanner, but perhaps that only refers to the latest chips with more advanced technology. Or, it's a mistake ;-) I'm happy that my boys have the AVID freeze brand because it's my understanding that any visible mark deters theft. Brigid
Re: help on information on a horse
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:46 PM 4/11/2005, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Lisa- According to AVID's web site, the chip should be readable by a Destron scanner. It's worth it to have your vet or anyone else who has a universal scanner go over her, just in case. The chip should be in the neck. The older Destron scanners will only read Destron chips. So it depends on how old your scanner is. You Vet may have an AVID scanner. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director Registrar PO Box 685 Webster, NY 14580-0685 Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: help on information on a horse
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:47 PM 4/11/2005, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/11/2005 7:32:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My PMU mare has a brand that looks like it could be an A on top of a V on her right shoulder. It is very faint and hard to see. I am hoping it is clearer when she sheds out. I tried scanning her with my scanner and did not get anything. I ran the scanner on both sides of her neck. Should I have looked elsewhere? Do I need a different scanner. I have a destron scanner. My understaning is that the Destron scanner can not read the Avid chip. And I am told that the Avid scanner can not read the Home Again chip, so it is kind of a dilemma. When we lived in Michigan, everybody used Home Again chips and here in California they use mostly Avid. So half of my animals have Home Again chips and the others have Avid chips. Wish there was one scanner for all. Both companies now make scanners that will read either the Destron (same as the Home Again) or Avid chips now. The old ones didn't work that way though. The NFHR has one of the Avid scanners that will read both brands. However it won't read the very old Destron chips - the old ones were a different frequency than the currently used ones are. Mike Rondi. === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director Registrar PO Box 685 Webster, NY 14580-0685 Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: help on information on a horse
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Pat- The AVID microchip brand is an A on top of a V. This could be that brand -- you'd want to have your vet scan for chips to be sure. / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA _www.Brigid.Clickryder.com_ (http://www.brigid.clickryder.com/) _www.MillwoodRanch.com_ (http://www.millwoodranch.com/)
Re: help on information on a horse
This message is from: Lisa Wiley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brigid, My PMU mare has a brand that looks like it could be an A on top of a V on her right shoulder. It is very faint and hard to see. I am hoping it is clearer when she sheds out. I tried scanning her with my scanner and did not get anything. I ran the scanner on both sides of her neck. Should I have looked elsewhere? Do I need a different scanner. I have a destron scanner. Do Lisa Wiley Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose Corresponding Secretary FASTeam http://www.myturnabout.com
Re: help on information on a horse
This message is from: Pat Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am asking all of you for possible information on a gelding I have in for training. He is owned by a couple here in the Midwest and his history is sketchy. He is not registered in NFHR. He is 11 yrs old, brown dun, 14 hands and a VERY quality horse. He has had some very intense training, but has a few issues I'm working on. He came out of the Turlock, CA. area. He carries a brand on his left shoulder, it looks like a V - sideways with the widest part forward, there may be something in the V, a bar or letter, I am not sure. He was purchased through a dealer with very little history with no papers. I am curious about his bloodlines but more importantly would like to get him registered as he is an outstanding horse that would do well showing. Have ANY of you ever seen Fjords branded in this fashion? It is not the Dutch brand on the left hip. Any information would be appreciated. Thank you Pat Holland
Re: help on information on a horse
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/11/2005 7:32:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My PMU mare has a brand that looks like it could be an A on top of a V on her right shoulder. It is very faint and hard to see. I am hoping it is clearer when she sheds out. I tried scanning her with my scanner and did not get anything. I ran the scanner on both sides of her neck. Should I have looked elsewhere? Do I need a different scanner. I have a destron scanner. Hi Lisa- According to AVID's web site, the chip should be readable by a Destron scanner. It's worth it to have your vet or anyone else who has a universal scanner go over her, just in case. The chip should be in the neck. / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA _www.Brigid.Clickryder.com_ (http://www.brigid.clickryder.com/) _www.MillwoodRanch.com_ (http://www.millwoodranch.com/)
Re: Help! Dates for the fall Ontario Fjord show?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I swore I wouldn't lose the name and address of the folks in charge of the October Ontario Fjordhorse show but I did...rats! I was very disappointed that I couldn't be there last year. I heard it was a wonderful event and I was really looking forward attending the 2005 shindig. Unfortunately, the ADS is having it's annual meeting and rally in Michigan this year and the dates may conflict. Our Carriage club is sort of the main host for these festivities and although I would be no great loss to their efforts, my trainer definitely would. Sadly, I probably don't have the experience and definitely don't have the right-sized trailer to come to Ontario alone...at least not yet. So what are the dates for this show? Maybe they're different that the ADS weekend. I really hope so - Ontario offers a zillion kinds of classes and is the closest of all the Fjord events to my place. Kay Van Natta Yellow Pony Farm SE MI
Re: help with horse injury
This message is from: Kathryn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Tamara. I don't write often, but couldn't resist with this one. Where is the injury? It sounds a little scary trying to treat such a injury yourself. I don't think I would. I'd call the vet to make sure I didn't get blamed for doing the wrong thing. For example, putting swat on it can keep it from draining and possibly lead to an infection. An infection that spreads inward can become serious and costly. Much more costly than a vet call with proper treatment and prevention. Did your friend get these folk's vets number or instructions as to what she/he should do in case of and injury? I think either way, I would be safe and make a call to a Vet. From: Tamara Rousso [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/07/12 Mon PM 10:05:00 GMT To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: help with horse injury [demime 1.01d removed an attachment with a content-type header it could not parse.] [Content-Type: null; name=reply]
Re: HELP
This message is from: Pat Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] I need a Ring Steward for Judge Karen Cabic for the Blue Earth show. This a great job, you get to learn allot and spend time with a knowledgable horse person, also a Sr. Evaluator. You also get to stand out in the sun and sweat. Requirements: good shoes, the ability to go long periods of time without the need to go to the bathroom and a desire for a good tan. Please contact me if you would like this job. Pay?..what do they say in the Visa ad?...priceless. Pat Holland
RE: Help needed, English saddle slipping sideways
This message is from: Skeels, Mark A (MED) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Eileen: We had a similar problem. A couple suggestions we did. The first is we got a Wintec girth, the one we got is sorta soft rubbery type. Second, one of our instructors was using a rubber saddle pad they made on their Tennessee Walker. She loaned it to us and it worked great. Where we got the material was at Farm and Fleet. They use it in tool boxes to keep your tools from rattling around. It looks like very soft rubbery large mesh screen, about 3/8 inch thick foamy rubber that when you hold it up it has holes all over it about 1/4 inch in size. The mesh is also approx 1/4 inch cross hatch type stuff, sorta looks like a bunch of black rubber beads. Anyhow they have a piece about 2 foot by 6 foot. We folded it over on itself so the pad is 2 foot by 3 foot. Then my wife and daughter sewed them together with some sort of edging she got at Joanne's Fabrics. It was sorta hard to sew they said, as the rubber would want to stick to the machine and stretch some, but with a little patience, it only took a hour maybe to make and turned out real nice. The other thing we found is when we started riding the horse every day, and trotting or cantering about 10 minutes or so each day so the horse worked up a light sweat, the horse actually started to muscle up and trim down, lost maybe 150 pounds. That also helped the roundness factor. Gave my daughter a good workout too, and she toned up. A positive side benefit. Could also ride bare back some trotting and cantering if your saddle rolls, until the horse gets into shape. We leave the last inch or two of the main hairs long just in case you loose your balance so you can grab onto something while riding bare back, the last couple inches right over the whithers. If you ride bare back, your balance while riding will greatly improve, which would also help you in the saddle. That's about what we learned about the saddle slipping issue. I think sometimes we all have similar problems, and go about fixing them in various fashions. Sometimes what we do don't work, so we try something else. And it also helps to share ideas, which can help someone else go thru the learning curve a little faster. Mark Skeels Any suggestions? (PS sorry if this is a repeat - I tried to post twice before and didn't see my message). Eileen and 'Jane', the beautiful barrel with legs
Re: Help needed, English saddle slipping sideways
This message is from: Ruth Bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello All, I'm in desparate need of some advice. For the past month my vet and I have been both having problems with my saddle slipping sideways on my classic barrel-shaped mare. Any suggestions? Eileen Dear Desperate, Tell that vet to vacate your saddle, one per saddle is quite enough! HAH, just kidding! =))) We don't like the newer neoprene (sp?) cinches and feel that they are inclined to slip more, on the other hand... our son prefers them. (maybe it's a generational thing =)) but my husband says that he thinks they are also more likely to gall. It usually doesn't hurt to tighten the girth very soundly as horses seem to deflate within the first few hundred yards. Some claim they deliberately inflate in anticipation of the tightening girth, whatever the case... it's always wise to readjust the tension a short ways out. Sometimes people pull the saddle off center as they mount, if they use the saddle as leverage for hoisting themselves up... and from there it's on the way. (use a stepping stool instead if necessary) Could it also be that you are seated off center by maybe favoring one side (maybe you're reaching for the brake =))) Ruthie, nw mt
Re: Help needed, English saddle slipping sideways
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 5/27/2004 6:59:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could it also be that you are seated off center by maybe favoring one side (maybe you're reaching for the brake =))) Ruthie, nw mt Yes, Ruthie! My left hip is higher than my right, due to an old injury in the heyday of aerobics. When I ride, I can look down and see my left foot, but not my right foot. Back to the chiropractor... / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA www.Brigid.Clickryder.com
Re: help
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debbie, Give a shot of banamine each time you give the vaccination. It should prevent the colic. I have a couple horses in my practice that do this. Steve Steve White, DVM Sport Horse Veterinary Service Gretna, NE
RE: help
This message is from: Debbie Shade [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was wondering if anyone has experienced this and has any suggestions. My mare is in foal and twice she had coliced 3-4 days after her pneumebort shot. She also coliced once 4 days after her shot at her last pregnancy. So no more shots for her as the correlation is to obvious. Debbie in MA _ Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 months @ $9.95/month now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup
Re: Help needed!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lori, That is probably the best advice I've read, and is what I would expect Dr. Ritter to say. And I respect his methods of training. Your post is worth saving, if I ever have a problem horse. :) Pamela A HREF=http://hometown.aol.com/northhorse/index.html;Northern Holiday Horses/A
Re: Help needed!
This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED] Under saddle has been a different story. I will take the time to post what my approach would be since I disagree with some of the advice given, such as not riding the horse for six months. This is my perspective: I feel that a horse learns to be ridden, by being ridden. Certainly riding in the indoor to minimize distractions is a good starting point. Next, start off your warmup as you want the ride to go. Three things: the horse must move away from the leg, he must give to rein pressure, and he must go forward. Those are your primary goals and you work towards them, not accepting less. Start your warmup with an active working trot, don't spend a lot of time in the walk, go straight to working trot, and do lots of circles, change of directions, serpentines, etc. Really work on getting the bend in the circles, a true bend through the body, not just the neck. Keep him busy. Don't do any transitions to walk, that can come later. Stay in trot and once that is going well, go into canter. You can do transitions within the gait, for example from working trot bring him back to almost-walk by slowing down your posting and then ride out to working, or do a few steps of lengthening then back to working. This type of thing is what keeps him active and his mind busy. Someone commented that the horse knows you are thinking of selling him, that's why he doesn't go well. Nonsense. What he does know and feel however, is if you are either tense or afraid. If he gets resistant, high-headed, quick, or whatever, and you the rider tense up, things are headed into a vicious circle where you each feed off each others tension. The rider must be, above all, a rock. Solid. No emotion, other than firm calmness. My coach tells me You are his rock and that is my mantra when things are getting exciting, sometimes I even hum in my head the Simon Garfunkle tune. The horse is a herd animal who takes his direction from his leader. Be that leader and act like you want him to act. The rider shouldn't care if the snow is falling off the roof, the other horse in the ring is having a bucking fit, and there is a dogfight out the door, you ride your horse, you concentrate on making him go forward, bend, move off your leg and give to the bit, and that is really riding. If he gets tense, bend him left/right, do a few steps of leg-yield, ride a volte, whatever, but put him to work and keep him busy. Don't walk, don't halt, only ride forward in trot or canter and work on regulating the rhythm, tempo and bend. Walking and halting give him too much time to reflect on his own agenda. A free walk on a loose rein after a good twenty minutes of trot and canter warm up, at a point when he is going well and attentively, is a wonderful reward that a horse can understand. Give him a sugar cube too at this point if things have gone well. Then pick him up and proceed with your work, always keeping him busy, and by this point you can generally add transitions between walk and trot and some walk work, because you have the horses attention. If the problem is resistance, you must use your whip or spur to reinforce your leg aid and don't accept anything less than an enthusiastic response to the leg pressure. The first time you use the whip to reinforce an ignored leg aid, the horse may leap forward (good reaction) or buck (at least he reacted) or ignore you (not good). Don't let him ignore you and don't pull him up if he leaps forward. If he bucks just ride it out and next time he will react to the leg aid because he will know you are serious and that you expect a reaction when you give an aid. It doesn't take a smart horse like a Fjordhorse long to figure out when the rider is serious. Lori
Re: Help Please - Bad Farrier? Bad Trim? Emergency?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/3/01 10:58:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think I must take a stronger role even tho we do not have that much choice in farriers. Hi Jean- I think you said it all here. We must remember that despite the education, experience, etc., of the professionals, WE are the owners and we know our horses best. I can't count the times I've read on this list of someone suspecting their horse had a physical problem which was undetected by vet or farrier. Later, the problem made itself quite evident. I'm not trashing vets or farriers ... they have their work cut out for them, and most do their best, but for them it's a business. Your horse is one of many. As a professional pet sitter, I have to be open minded to the many ways folks care for their animals. I can't impose my ideas on them. If they ask for advice, I give it. Otherwise I do what they tell me (within reason of course)! Farriers should do the same, and accept without offense the stronger role the owner plays. Brigid M Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA A HREF=http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html;Our /A A HREF=http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html;Fjords/A / )__~ /L /L
Re: Help Please - Bad Farrier? Bad Trim? Emergency?
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brigid, I have had very difficult problems with a most reliable farrier who began to make mistakes. I now have a new one who did very well with my huge warm blood gelding but then this last time trimmed my warmblood mare like a quarter horse. She was lame all over for five days and $360 later. Vet. I can only figure that after doing the 17+ the other horses appear smaller? I mentioned to him that I liked her to have large feet but he did not do as I asked. I think I must take a stronger role even tho we do not have that much choice in farriers. Luckily the friendlier one Gunnar, is done well each time. Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/2/01 5:44:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is a lot of controversy about the Strasser method. Hi Jean- I enjoyed your post, and am glad you have a good farrier! We are not Strasser (or any other professional's) devotees. Rather, we take what works from each system (of hoof care, training, or whatever). However we often recommend Dr. Strasser's books because they are the most informative, easy to read and based on exhaustive scientific study rather than just theory. Also good reads are Jaime Jackson's two books on hoof care and natural life style for horses. As far as the actual trim ... each horse is such an individual that what is done must be decided by the owner and farrier. There is no one way to do it. It is often a case of trial-and-error. We have 3 Fjords, and they all have TOTALLY different feet. Different size, shape, wear pattern. Whoever is being ridden/exercised more will tend to have tougher hooves and need less trimming. The best part of keeping our horses barefoot and doing the trims myself is an increased awareness. Never before did I notice all the nuances of the hooves: the angles, measurements, textures, color... It's fascinating. Brigid M Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA A HREF=http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html;Our /A A HREF=http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html;Fjords/A / )__~ /L /L
Re: Help Please - Bad Farrier? Bad Trim? Emergency?
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Some of the sites Jean sent are really good and make sense about barefoot horses. I also found some that discussed whether sole and frog should be taken out ...generally the answer seems to be NO. I REALLY want to learn how to recognize good and bad farriery. Probably will take the course at the local junior college this spring. In the meantime...my update. The horse seems better. Still rainy and wet here. I could put iodine on him, but it seems to me there is no way to dry him out when everything, even the well-drained areas, is wet. Farrier called today and said the problem was probably that he trimmed too much frog off. From what I can tell, the only reason to trim frog is if there are stray pieces that make it impossible to clean the hooves. Anyway...was going to interview a new farrier today...but his barn is flooding from the BIG rains here. Perhaps next week. My farrier is VERY careful about not trimming too short, especially a horse that will go barefoot. Trimming them might have caused bruising of the sole due to the hard frozen ground. He also will not take much sole out. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help Please - Bad Farrier? Bad Trim? Emergency?
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack, There is a lot of controversy about the Strasser method. Check out the discussion on the Equine Studies Institute (Deb Bennett) website. (Hurry, they're going to scrub these messages and start over so they may not be available for long.) http://www.equinestudies.org/disc_toc.htm Under the heading Finally an answer about windpuffs: BIG long heated discussion, arguments on both sides about the Strasser natural Hoof idea..some links: At the risk of stirring up the Brigade of Strasserite Devotees, please review the following information: http://web.cetlink.net/~farrier/fads.htm http://www.cpb.uokhsc.edu/ojvr/hoof99b.htm http://www.horseshoes.com/advice/balancingnormalfoot/balancingnormalfoot.htm I have two of my Fjords shod with winter shoes and rim snow pads and two unshod. The two unshod ones may never have to have shoes, but if I rode them much in winter on the ice I would want to put borium winter shoes and snow pads on for safety. My farrier is VERY careful about not trimming too short, especially a horse that will go barefoot. He refused to trim my two mares who don't have shoes, even tho their feet were a bit long, as the ground is so frozen and hard with very little snow and the weather was due to turn very cold. Trimming them might have caused bruising of the sole due to the hard frozen ground. He also will not take much sole out. I have never had a lame horse due to shoeing or trimming in 14 years with this farrier. BTW he is very apposed to the Strasser method, having had to correct a lot of problems caused by application or perhaps misapplication of this method. I am not saying the Strasser method is wrong..just it is not the answer for every horse. Do your research and make up your own mind, but don't accept any method blindly. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, clear and VERY cold, -30F this morning with only 4 1/2 hours daylight! Hooves don't grow much in the winter here! Hi there, I totally agree with the above suggestion. Someone once told me that horses hoofs are four hearts on the ground. After much research on the subject, I am more than inclined to agree. It's strange that so many know so much about our beloved horses, but, know little about the importance of the hoof. I strongly recommend that you purchase the book (only 182 pages) A lifetime of Soundness by Hiltrud Strasser. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help Please - Bad Farrier? Bad Trim? Emergency?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/30/01 1:39:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wanted to add something to what everyone has said about the sore feet. Do you know how to check and see if there is a strong pulse going to the feet? A short trim job can founder a horse, and bute or banamine plus corrective shoeing might be needed immediately. If you wanted to feel safe, maybe a call to the vet is not a bad idea. Also, the vet could tell you if the horse is trimmed too short. Hi there, I totally agree with the above suggestion. Someone once told me that horses hoofs are four hearts on the ground. After much research on the subject, I am more than inclined to agree. It's strange that so many know so much about our beloved horses, but, know little about the importance of the hoof. I strongly recommend that you purchase the book (only 182 pages) A lifetime of Soundness by Hiltrud Strasser. It is filled with valuable information about the hoof. You can only get it through the web at: www.star-ridge.com .. She has also written another 127 page book entitled Shoeing: A necessary Evil? If you are not into bare foot, these books are still a vital tool to enlighten you to the importance of the hoof. I hope you have a vet look at your horse, (and the Farrier should pay in my own opinion) or you could have a lame horse on your hands. Please let us know what comes of all this. Thank you for listening. Jack
Re: Help Please - Bad Farrier? Bad Trim? Emergency?
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you all for your kind responses to my post. Karen...you may be right...he might just be a tenderfoot. We will see. I was also concerned about founder...see below. I wanted to add something to what everyone has said about the sore feet. Do you know how to check and see if there is a strong pulse going to the feet? No...and I should learn. We called the vet who was on call...no response. (Turns out their answering service had a new employee). I called my previous farrier, who said he thought it was probably OK, but to call the vet right away. (He confirmed that there is a danger of founder...which was what I was worried about.) In the end, no one saw him (the horse) and he is slightly better today, so I think he will be OK. Whether he ever gets accustomed to going without shoes is another question. My farrier did say that he remembered him as having good feet...did not see why he would have trouble without shoes. As to my current farrierhe claims he took very little off him. Hmmwhen we looked at his soles...they were yellowish/white. Absolutely clean looking. Now I know it has rained the last few days...but seems to me his soles should not be absolutely uniformly light colored if they were not trimmed significantly. And I looked at some of the scraps he took off...looked about 1/4 inch plus to me...and this was at a seven week trim. His feet looked absolutely flat...no rim where the horn is to speak of. So...after conferring with my farrier's (and his wife...who knows my current farrier) ...she and I decided to try to get a new farrier. This farrier does not have a forge, takes less time to shoe than the old one (who had a forge) and the horse's feet are looking slightly less round...more upright. Hmm...could he be shoeing them too tight? I have been so busy I have been unable to check over the shoeing jobs (FINALLY FINISHED MY BIG PROJECT YESTERDAY...TIME FOR THE HORSES!!!) but, when I have checked, I have seen no room for expansion. Upshot of all this...if anyone knows of a good farrier in Sonoma County area who might take a new client with several horses, some of whom stay shod year round, and whose horses are absolute angels, and whose checks (mine, not the horse's) have not yet bounced...let me know. I am going to do my best sales pitch on the oldtimers my farrier recommends and work up from there. Gail Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gail, some horses ARE naturally tenderfooted. There are so many degrees of normal. If he's had shoes on since before you can remember, then yes, very often it is like the princess and the pea syndrome, and he will feel everything underfoot for awhile, and it should dissapate, but maybe never really go away, due to either the conditioning of wearing shoes all his life, and/or a pre-disposition to ouchy feet (inherieted). Most horses w/ thin soles are this way. If your farrier did take out sole, then you are justified in being a little steamed over a bad trim job, he should know better; either way give the poor guy some bute, wait a couple of days, then just call discuss w/ your vet - maybe shoes are warrented 12 months a year...Good luck! Kmac ...who's S.O. Dave, is a farrier. Guess who's horsies are the last ones shod??! 3 guesses and the first 2 don't count... _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Re: Help Please - Bad Farrier? Bad Trim? Emergency?
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gail, I have had this short trimming recently to where it was absolutely cruel..It took my big boy three months to recover. You need to contact the Vet and get banamine going to help them through until they develop enough hoof to stand on. They are on their soles and can bruise them badly. It they are shod it may not be so bad but they need pain meds. Why Farriers do this is beyond me. It is pure agony for the horse and certainly was for my pocket book. Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 PO Box 104 Montesano, Wa 98563
Re: Help Please - Bad Farrier? Bad Trim? Emergency?
This message is from: Jon Mary Ofjord [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gail, Sounds like bruising, but don't know the cause. It doesn't sound like a veterinary emergency, but I would call your vet as soon as he/she gets back. Jon At 07:27 PM 11/29/01 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 02:11 PM 11/29/2001 -0600, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gail Russel wrote: ...My bad fortune may be your good fortune. Well folks, I do not know if this is really because my new farrier is not doing a good job, or just coincidence, but our horse on whom we had the shoes pulled and feet trimmed yesterday is now four-footed foot sore. Moves very gingerly. Backs might even be worse than the fronts. Our soil is wet, fine sandy loam...nothing that should hurt his soles. We purchased this horse last spring and he has had shoes on the entire time we have had him. I do know that this I noticed a pink line in the toe (horn area) of our big percheron/tB cross the last time he was trimmed. My question...is this an emergency? My vet is out of town and I would prefer not to deal with the particular vet who is on call. My vet will be back tomorrow. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ The simple way to read all your emails at ThatWeb http://www.thatweb.com
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This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message posted by steve last year: This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just received word from eScribe that the entire history of the FjordHorse List is now online. I checked, and it is all there, from March 30, 1998 right up thru today. Once again, please check out the new archives and give me your feedback. You can find the new archives at http://www.escribe.com/pets/fjordhorse/. The user name is fjordhorse and the password is fjords_rule. -- Steve McIlree Owner/Administrator FjordHorse List At 02:53 PM 11/20/2001 -0600, you wrote: This message is from: Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] I went to the archives Help help - I have tried to retrieve some old messages - how do you do it? Please advise. Pat Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] I went to the archives Help help - I have tried to retrieve some old messages - how do you do it? Please advise. Pat
Re: Help with Lameness Issue
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your mention of unknown lameness will bring out a lot of stories I am sure. I have just finished a siege of lameness, laminitis, founder, arthritis, terrible criminal type trim (it has taken three months for the hooves to get back to normal size) I do not know, possible cushings, etc. It finally boiled down, after the poor boy was starved re possible feed founder and lost well over two hundred pounds..not a fjord, to a soft spot in the right front sole that is only about a fifth of an inch thick. After three months of bute twice a day, we put pads on yesterday and altho he is now 18 hands in front he is no longer in pain and no more bute. Two Veterinarians, good ones too, and a good farrier plus an emerging pattern of lameness following activity finally paid off. Is he ever enjoying food again? Yess!!! I think you must look for a pattern just like our own symptoms. It finally falls into place but as with here, it takes time. Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 PO Box 104 Montesano, Wa 98563
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, we had a lameness expert check him out and give him a flex-test. The diagnosis was arthritus in his left-rear hock. I have seen this many times before. The arthritus could be a source of Patrick's lameness. You should have your vet deal with this problem. If the bute had no affect, then there are other methods to reduce the arthritus. There are injected and oral drugs for arthritus in horses. I think that the injections work better, but your vet knows better which one will work in your situation. Now, what caused the arthritus to form in a horse as young as Patrick? This is an important question. Does he have a conformation fault that pre-disposes him to arthritus in his hock, did he have a injury to his left hock, or was it caused by a nutritional problem? Once these questions are answered, then you can decide what Patrick needs to prevent the arthritus from returning or reduce the chance of it getting worst. Good luck! Curt Pierce Bristow, VA
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This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pat and Maggie McCurdy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our gelding, Patick, is six years old and over 3 months ago began short stepping with his right hind leg. At first we thought he had been kicked or something and gave him some rest. However, it kept returning. So, we had a lameness expert check him out and give him a flex-test. The diagnosis was arthritus in his left-rear hock. We began a regiment of bute. His short stepping never changed with or without bute. A few years ago, my Fjord gelding (Sleepy) was moving just a smidge unevenly---not something I could see, but I could feel it when I rode him at the walk; it went away at the trot. I called out the vet, who concluded that he wasn't lame---but the hitch in his get-along continued, off and on. A few months later, I had a massage therapist out to check into the donkey's cinchiness, and almost as an afterthought, had her check everyone else over. She found that Sleepy had an ouchy spot in a muscle in his chest, sort of up underneath his shoulder blade, and another one on top of his rump, on the opposite side. Our best guess is that, one of the times he'd jerked a shoe the previous winter, he pulled that muscle in his chest (when he stood on the heel of the shoe with his hind hoof, then tried to lift that nailed down front hoof). He then mildly strained the muscle in his rump, trying to take the load off the sore shoulder---and six months later, the muscle spasms were still there! The massage therapist released the spasms, and his little unevenness went away. Interestingly, his long-standing minor misbehaviours with the farrier on that hind leg also went away! I understand that minor chiropractic problems can cause similar problems. I found it interesting that, from the ground, the vet couldn't see the problem. Only by knowing how the animal normally moved under a rider, could I feel it. The massage therapist could see it, in minor differences in the way the animal held himself, which I wasn't observant enough to pick up. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
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This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Fjord Friends- We have a problem that we've been dealing with for over 3 months and still haven't come to a solid conclusion. Our gelding, Patick, is six years old and over 3 months ago began short stepping with his right hind leg. His short stepping never changed with or without bute. Patrick never acts distressed with his short stepping.We had the hock x-rayed and the vet who read it said it showed nothing! We drove Patrick today and it was still obvious he was short stepping, but no signs of discomfort. This does sound familiar. We had a three year old gelding that was short in both hind legs when he went for training. He gave no obvious signs of discomfort, but was reluctant to pick up the lope/canter or to sustain it and was obviously 'short' at the trot - with or without a rider. To make a long story short, we had him examined by an equine chiropractor. His lumbar spine was out of alignment. Once this was corrected - through chiropractic adjustment - he was fine. He is still fine at six. Apparently his problem was caused by slipping, or actually falling, while running and playing in mud with his pasturemate. This same horse had also suddenly become 'ear shy' for no apparent reason. His spine was out of alignment just behind his ears as well. Now - a caveat here - I had NEVER in my life had any faith in Chiropractors in general. However, I was willing to try anything with this horse. Horses have no 'preconcieved notions' - in other words this chiropractic thing doesn't work because they 'think' it will work - they aren't capable of thinking that way. They just know that something is uncomfortable, or it is not uncomfortable. Believe me, there was a very noticable difference in this horse within a few hours of treatment. They need to rest a bit after treatment and have a day off work - otherwise things will just go back where they were before. It seems to have worked for him, plus I've seen other horses with 'mystery' problems have them relieved by chiropractic treatment. Even horses that would unexplainably 'blow up' suddenly. Their bucking sessions were actually caused by back pain. Something they were asked to do - or the way the rider shifted his weight - caused their spines to be 'tweaked'(those of us who have had back problems know the feeling!) and their response was to rear or buck - or as one horse did, simply drop to his knees. Maybe this will help you find a solution to Patrick's problem. Hopefully. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/28/01 9:40:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . However, at the FingerLakes Show he did buck Maggie off suddenly during one of the games. No other problems. We had the hock x-rayed and the vet who read it said it showed nothing! We drove Patrick today and did a easy pleasure trot with him and it was still obvious he was short stepping, but no signs of discomfort. SO, before we spend any more money we want to get the advice from all of you. Sounds eerily like an issue we recently had with Nikki. She'd take an off step, every once in a while. But not regularly. Very intermitent (right front foot). Then she refused to canter, gave a little buck. I thought it was maybe a training issue. Then she started to take more off steps, particularly in the trot. Gave her time off. Tried again, then she bucked when I got on her and asked her to walk. She was telling me SOMETHING was wrong. Got 2 prognosises. One was that she had a tendon injury, needed stall rest and/or hydrotherapy (at $900 for 6 weeks). Second opinion was that it was arthritis. We couldn't exercise the mare while she was hurting, and I couldn't give her free access to our pastures while she was layed up. It was a dilemma. She was getting very unhappy being stuck in a stall (and who could blame her) yet she'd become obese if I let her out. I know now that I need to create a GOOD dry lot for fjord layups. Problem is in the Northwest, grass likes to grow even in dry lots! Anyway, she was miserable. I was miserable because she was so unhappy. So I came up with a good solution for all. She is now back with the woman I bought her from! And is very happy again. She has dry lot, and is with old friends. Oh yes. The day that she went back to her old home, the vet there exrayed her foot and found NOTHING wrong. I suspect beginning navicular, but don't have any answers. Sorry for the length here. I hope you get to the bottom of your mystery. Pamela
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Last year A'simi had a lameness at the right hind leg. Our vet diagnosticed a problem with the postern but that was wrong. We find out that he has a problem with his lumbar vertebra. Two of these were left from their place. An expert checked this and after two weeks of slow work he is ok.
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This message is from: Frederick J. Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] We use Fastrack any time BEFORE we expect a horse or Llama to encounter any stressful situation. If any of our critters seem to droop, they get a dose. It greatly increases digestive efficiency. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA I just recently learned of a product called Fastrack made by Conklin. Our next door neighbor swears by it! (And she has LOTS of performance horses.) The product brochure claims that trainers and owners report Increased perfomance and endurance, shinier hair coat, enhanced appetite and feed utilization, improved hoof quality and enhanced health. It also mentions that horses fed this feed additive have a lower incidence of colic. The product brochure also satates that Fastrack is a ...unique combination of natural lactic acid producing bacteria, yeast, enzymes, FOS (fructooligosaccharides), specialized proteins and vitamins to ensure a healthy digestive tract, enhancing th eimmune system and defending against pathogenic agents in the digestive tract. It might be worth trying - I have heard of others who really like it as well! If you would like more information or would like to know where to get it, you can e-mail me privately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brenda Simonson Sparta, WI
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This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Jean re the info re Cushings. He really shows no signs that I know of. I do not know if the recent blood test would have shown anything but nothing was said. He never gets a thick coat just a short mat and even looks as though he has summer coat in the heart of winter. I have noticed more water consumption. But none of the other symptoms. I think my Vet mentioned this as did the Farrier as one cause of founder. This new injury to his right front is very painful to him but the bute is helping. Poor old guy is now twenty. I enjoyed Denise's article about foundered horses and bringing the hoof back by trims 2 to 3 times a week. Stimulates the laminae and there have been some great recoveries. Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Amazon.com to order
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This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve forgot to mention the padding. He walks out of it in a day. The shoer felt he is still sound in the sole but did suggest the padding, He uses that pink stuff for walls. I have used just the thicker Styrofoam. It is a good idea to cut away the toe area of those pads after they conform to the feet. Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Amazon.com to order
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This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve, this is still a mystery as to why the founder. He has been lame off and on on the left front so I thought bases. Then he went to heavy pulse after the extreme trim in all four. So he has been backed off to just last years grass which is still fairly decent. 2gms bute twice a day and less if better. We are letting the sinusitis go for now and so no more smvs. Then after tearing around, our best Vet had said it was founder from the trim and an abcess, had said to exercise him while my usual also very good Vet said to treat it as food founder and stall him. Stalling did not work as he went wild with the booms and bangs of the 4th, and during the process managed to step on the bulb of his right front, tearing the coronet in half. Dead lame there so I tried banamine yesterday two 10ccs no help. Back to bute today 2gms and he is now grazing on very poor grass comfortably. I am putting novalsan and epson salts on the wounded coronet. I am afraid to start him back on oil, lixitinic, vit C and garlic (for bugs) as I do not want to disturb his gut if it is a food founder. His hay is wet down and he seems to be maintaining weight at this time. Appreciate your interest. PS I can not believe how he is interfering with both his hind together knocking, over reaching and also striking his front hooves together, unless it is compensating for pain. Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Amazon.com to order
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This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean, Does he show any signs of Cushings Syndrome? Cushings horses are prone to laminitis. Did he shed out OK? Does he have muscle wasting? I copied this from THE HORSE interactive http://www.thehorse.com/0297/cushings_disease0297.html The first symptom to appear generally is polydipsia (excessive thirst) coupled with polyuria (excessive urination)--which might go unnoticed if the animal is kept outside rather than stabled. Horses might go through as much as 80 liters of water a day instead of the normal 20 to 30 liters. Other symptoms can include a swaybacked or potbellied appearance, increased appetite (generally with no corresponding weight gain), loss of muscle over the topline, and chronic laminitis. Horses with Cushing's syndrome become more susceptible to diseases and infections due to a compromised immune system. They frequently suffer bouts of respiratory disease, skin infections, foot abscesses, buccal (mouth) ulcers and periodontal disease, and even infections of the tendon sheath or joints. Wound healing is also noticeably slowed... Once a definitive diagnosis of Cushing's syndrome has been made, it's time to consider treatment. The good news is that if the symptoms are caught early, treatment can be extremely successful, essentially returning the horse to normal health for several years. ** How old is Charlie? Is it possible that this could be his problem? Anyway it is something to think about. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska where it has been raining lightly all day, and very cool, 50 degrees. his founder continues and we do not know why. I am to give him free choice of last years orchard grass but I even wonder if it may be too strong. Just wish we had a definitive diagnosis but that seems pretty impossible. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean, Do you have anything on his feet right now? What works well is to get a sheet of Styrofoam insulation. Have the horse stand on it and trace his foot with a marker. Then cut out that piece and then tape it to the foot with some duct tape. Repeat for the other foot. After he stands on it for awhile it will conform to the contours of his sole/frog, thus giving him soft, even support. What other therapies are you doing? Steve Steve and Amy White Prairieholm Farm Waterloo, Nebraska
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This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brenda thanks for the info. I hesitate to try anything new with him at this point as his founder continues and we do not know why. I am to give him free choice of last years orchard grass but I even wonder if it may be too strong. Just wish we had a definitive diagnosis but that seems pretty impossible. He seems to have leveled off weight wise so when we get through this I will try some of these good products. Thanks again. Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Amazon.com to order
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (What can I feed him to improve his weight yet not over burden his system? Would wheat germ oil help? Is bran to hot? Jean) Jean: I just recently learned of a product called Fastrack made by Conklin. Our next door neighbor swears by it! (And she has LOTS of performance horses.) The product brochure claims that trainers and owners report Increased perfomance and endurance, shinier hair coat, enhanced appetite and feed utilization, improved hoof quality and enhanced health. It also mentions that horses fed this feed additive have a lower incidence of colic. The product brochure also satates that Fastrack is a ...unique combination of natural lactic acid producing bacteria, yeast, enzymes, FOS (fructooligosaccharides), specialized proteins and vitamins to ensure a healthy digestive tract, enhancing th eimmune system and defending against pathogenic agents in the digestive tract. It might be worth trying - I have heard of others who really like it as well! If you would like more information or would like to know where to get it, you can e-mail me privately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brenda Simonson Sparta, WI
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This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kate it sure is hard getting old, I can vouch for that. Thanks for the elp[ re foods to fatten. Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Amazon.com to order
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 07/02/2001 11:21:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: that beet pulp is a good way to put weight on in case of founder, and you can add the Cocosoya to the beet pulp. Hi list, We have consistently fed beet pulp and added Cocosoya for the horses that needed it and had great success. Beet pulp not only is a great way to get weight on, it helps keep the ol' digestive system going properly. For our oldsters, with ground down teeth, have mixed the beet pulp very wet, which allows them to suck it down. Good Luck. Carol Prairie Duster in Michigan
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you had his teeth checked? My 27 yr old morgan has a few loose molars and can't eat hay anymore. She's eating Dengie instead and gets beet pulp for lunch. She's getting the dengie 5X a day to keep her gut full too. The dentist says it will be about a year and she'll need to be eating soft foods only. It must be hard getting old :-( Kate in CT owned by Baldur the wonder fjord graduate B pony clubber MysticPonyClub egroups moderator ARIA certified riding instructor Professional Braider
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean, I wouldn't be too anxious to put weight on him just yet. If the feet are sore or he does have laminitis than a little less weight on those feet would be good for him. Get the feet in shape and then worry about the weight. When he is sound and you think you are out of the woods with founder, than you can increase the calories. I would go with higher fat, like Purina Strategy or by adding corn oil to your Senior. Regards, Steve Steve and Amy White Prairieholm Farm Waterloo, Nebraska
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This message is from: Vivian Creigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean Ernest7/2/01 8:14 [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have also read that an oil mixture called COCOSOYA is more palatable than corn oil. It is also 20% more digestible than ordinary corn and vegetable oil. Uckele has it, 5 gallon jug is $29.95. I tried the COCOSOYA from Uckele and found it no more palatable than corn oil. Beth Valentine who does research on EPSM advised me to just buy cheap corn oil as it does the trick and is easy to come by in bulk at WalMart's and Sam's stores. It takes awhile before the ponies eat it with anything bordering on enthusiasm. I'd stay away from bran as it interferes with absorbtion of certain minerals. Beet Pulp is always a good choice for adding calories without protein. Good Luck, Vivian Creigh
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This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean, Corn oil is better (and cheaper) than wheatgerm oil..you can feed up to 2 cups a day..if you can get him to eat it., a problem if you are not feeding much grain. I have also read that an oil mixture called COCOSOYA is more palatable than corn oil. It is also 20% more digestible than ordinary corn and vegetable oil. Uckele has it, 5 gallon jug is $29.95. I read (am looking for the article in a back issue) in The Horse Journal, that beet pulp is a good way to put weight on in case of founder, and you can add the Cocosoya to the beet pulp. UCKELE can be reached online : http://www.uckele.com Phone 1-800-292-0014 Rice bran is also good for putting on weight. I hope this helps. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska At 09:42 PM 7/1/2001 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] My big horse Charlie is still not getting over his founder from close trimming. I have always had to feed him three times a day to keep flesh on him, he is huge at 17 2 1/2. He usually had large wafers of alfalfa twice a day, one big serving of grass hay, six cupfuls of senior horse twice a day and vitamins. Recently he has been anemic so I had been told to add lixitinic to his grain. Now I have only been able to feed him grass hay, last years, and enough grain to get his meds down him. He is losing weight rapidly, back and ribs becoming pronounced. What can I feed him to improve his weight yet not over burden his system? Would wheat germ oil help? Is bran to hot? Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Amazon.com to order Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am no expert, but do know that you can put weight on an old horse by feeding oils. We used Costco corn oil...comes in 2.5 gallon containers. You need to find a vehicle to carry it...one with the least amount of carbs possible. We used soaked beet pulp, with oil thoroughly mixed in. Our old rescue QH...when we finally had him put down because of unrelenting arthritic painwas nice and fat. If he is a fussy eater you may have to get him better quality oil. The Wesco corn oil from Costco smelled rancid to me the day we bought it. For starters, I would try the smaller containers from the grocery store while you experiment. Olive oil has a nice neutral taste. Now I have only been able to feed him grass hay, last years, and enough grain to get his meds down him. He is losing weight rapidly, back and ribs becoming pronounced. What can I feed him to improve his weight yet not over burden his system? Would wheat germ oil help? Is bran to hot? Jean Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HELP need info. to print about Fjord for expo !
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 03:50 PM 3/2/01 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyway, if anyone knows of a good, short, accurate discription of the Fjord that I can get permission to copy and distribute to the millions of fans at the expo next week, will you please send me their way ? The NFHR one is good, but has alot of photos, making it large and also has links and other stuff cluttering it for printing without lots of tweaking. I think your looking at the wrong NFHR one Lisa. Try this link. It is a flyer for just the purpose you are talking about. It prints to one page has some pictures on it. You need the adobe acrobat reader to view it. http://www.nfhr.com/PDF/Flyer.PDF Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 07:18 AM 9/22/00 -0500, you wrote: Thank you very much Mike. I bet you get major tired of posting this so much. Sorry to make you do it again. I guess that at 2 or so in the am my fingers were awake, but not my brain. No problem. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: carol j makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike May, Registrar NFHR wrote: This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 03:14 AM 9/22/00 -0400, you wrote: This message is from: carol j makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I wanted to go to the archives and was asked for my user name and password. Did I establish one when joining the list? And if so how do I go about finding what one I used? Please be patient with me. I am a self taught PC user and my computer brain of a son is not always here to hold my hand on these matters. Here it is. This was just posted a couple of days ago by the way. Go to http://www.listquest.com. Read the HELP there to get an idea how the search engine works. Then select Home Garden, then Pets Animals, then FjordHorse. At this point you will be presented with a security dialog. The username is fjordhorse and the password is fjords_rule. I suggest you write these down somewhere. === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you very much Mike. I bet you get major tired of posting this so much. Sorry to make you do it again. I guess that at 2 or so in the am my fingers were awake, but not my brain. -- Built FJORD tough Carol M. On Golden Pond
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This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 03:14 AM 9/22/00 -0400, you wrote: This message is from: carol j makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I wanted to go to the archives and was asked for my user name and password. Did I establish one when joining the list? And if so how do I go about finding what one I used? Please be patient with me. I am a self taught PC user and my computer brain of a son is not always here to hold my hand on these matters. Here it is. This was just posted a couple of days ago by the way. Go to http://www.listquest.com. Read the HELP there to get an idea how the search engine works. Then select Home Garden, then Pets Animals, then FjordHorse. At this point you will be presented with a security dialog. The username is fjordhorse and the password is fjords_rule. I suggest you write these down somewhere. === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re /help with young fjord/training
This message is from: fjords [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Indigo Joe Fjords are normally very easy to train exceptionally so. Generally they have a want to attitude. Some of them are so smart you have a hard time keeping ahead of them. I would say 90 % of them are this way. I have come across the other 10 % from time to time. They can take 10 times as long as the 90% ones to train. Don't dispair they can also make great horses. We have trained at least 50 fjords and come across about 5 that were hard work. They needed consistent hard work. I have debated the resons why these fjords are so much harder to train. I still debate it all the time Lets Open this discussion up . I beleave it has more to do with environment then herritary but still bloodlines could be a factor. Some of the harder horses we have had came from places where people were afraid of horses. Ace was a mare that we had to take shifts on and work her 4 hours a day. She did become a absolutely great mare that gives driving demo's . She was hards work but well worth it. Smoking Jack became so affectionate and devoted that He Chased a Grizzley bear away from the hunting party. He was brave and saved Walter Jim's lives. He found his perfect match with a women raised on race horses. Salar never did make a buggy horse but became such a great saddle horse that his new owner says He'l keep him forever. This after buying and selling 7 horses in 4 months in search for the perfect horse.They found each other. . I have found that the hard to train ones have a much higher level of endurance, stamina and drive. Ace would trot in place ,until we bought a roller bit for her. The roller bit was magic overnight. Salar Smoking Jake needed endurance work to really mellow them out. Our wildabeast has been transformed buy pulling the spring tooth harrow. Wow is the greatest word he has ever heard. What I want to say is yes there is dirt under the rug, there are some fjords that are harder to train.These fjords can become very great horses. Absolutely great horses. As the John Lyons trainer said I beleave it was Patience Perserverence,and Repetition I'll add hard work. Horses that are imprinted and continued to be handled in a firm loving way are so enjoyable easy to train. Imprinting is not just a one day job. It takes keeping it up to keep them mannerly. I have heard of imprinted fjords that pin their ears and are mean. They give fjords a very bad reputation and are not easy to correct. People who meet these fjords understandably don't like fjords. If anyone else has had experience with the harder to train fjords or otherbreeds lets here it. They can be cured. It takes many different methods. My favorites have been John Lyons and Linda Tellington Jones. Bye, but remember firm love. Lauren Sellars www.fjordhorse.net
Re: Help with Coffin Bone Rotation
This message is from: Rebekah Blaisdell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pat, I have dealt with several horses that have had serious coffin bone rotation, and the most successful line of treatment was to have the rolled toe, and some sort of full bar shoe. Hope everything goes well at Cornell. Rebekah From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Help with Coffin Bone Rotation Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:36:15 EDT This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Fjord Friends- I have been quiet for sometime, but faithfully reading each digest. I need your help My mare, Annie, has coffin bone rotation on both left (12degrees) and right (7degrees) hooves. I want what is best for Annie. Currently she has heart-bar shoes on and is really experiencing no pain. The only reason I had her x-rayed was due to the rotation she experienced last year in her left front hoof and a bit of off step when she trots in a counter-clockwise direction. Last year her rotation was minor. Well, the extent of this rotation has really thrown me for a loop and I would just like anyone's advice on what to do. I have been given so many mixed signals! One school of thought is to continue with heart bar shoes, and roll back her toe. The heartbar shoe will protect her foot and keep her from being sore. Another school of thought, which is new to me, but I've heard and read about from two different people, is to cut back her heel so the coffin bone is horizontal to the ground, forget the shoes, and let her walk on regular ground and get exercise. The idea is she will be sore for a while, but with regular trimming (every 3-4 weeks) and exercise, that provides good circulation, in time she will recover. I am taking Annie to Cornell on Friday (6/9) to the farrier there for a second opinion. However, I value all of your experiences and would be grateful for any ideas or research you've done/read. Thanks so much! Pat McCurdy Cato, NY Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gail, I wonder if these sites might be of help to you: www.hayexchange.com/hay.htm www.newmexicoranch.com/newmexico/hay-page/ www.firstthunder.com There are other hay sellers and brokers that you can find on the net. Those came from a quick search of hay broker. Also, if you can find Dengie anywhere, it's hay in a bag. Hi-Fi Lite or Good Doer are for horses that gain weight easily. Expensive but good. I'm sure you know this, but don't run out of hay completely and then have to suddenly switch to alfalfa. Good Luck! Brian Jacobsen, DVM Norwegian Fjordhest Ranch Salisbury, North Carolina
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This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I bought my fjords I was told to never feed them alfalfa and I haven't. But here in Las Cruces that's all I can find. [...] Can fjords eat alfalfa? I'm running out of hay fast (6 bales left) I'm in the don't feed them alfalfa camp. It's too dense in calories, i.e. if you feed them a full sized ration, they turn into blimps; if you cut back to the number of calories they need, they don't get enough chewing satisfaction, so take up eating the barn and/or fences, each others' manes, etc. Folks on the LONGEARS list who live in your area have a similar problem finding appropriate hay for their donkeys and mules. When they can't get timothy hay (it's trucked in from Colorado), they feed a little alfalfa (for nutrition) with a lot of something filling, like straw. One of them even goes out hunting tumbleweeds (yup, dead, dry, rolling ones), which she brings home to let her critters munch on! If you must feed alfalfa, try to get it from a cutting that's not so lusciously leafy. Fjords would do better on stemmy hay (but watch out for anything moldy). It used to be that, around here, the only choices were alfalfa hay, or oat hay (both too rich for my easy keepers). I contacted the local Farm Supply, and asked if they knew anyone baling pasture hay for their cattle. They did, and I bought from him for years. Now, due to increased demand, most of the hay stores at least carry timothy hay, or rye grass, or orchard grass. Anyway, keep bugging your hay stores about wanting GRASS hays. And, see what you can do thru other channels, like ranchers. Good hunting! Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif.
Re: help in finding trainers
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/17/99 5:31:08 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: have a little 3 year old fjord mare. I'm as novice as they come but my 3-year-old last year is good now that she's 4 and my formerly perfect 2-year-old is acting a little sassy now that she's 3. I think it may be like teenagers -- just hang on and wait. Gail
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This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] larson, i know a mini breeder, but he does'nt go on line. do you have a phone number? denise
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This message is from: fjords [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sounds Great , This means you forwarded it right , Excellent
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From: Dianna Saleh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: November 10, 1999 11:35 AM
Subject: RE: Help
This message is from: Dianna Saleh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi, if you use the picture I sent they'd like it labeled, Snowy's Cosmo
and Walter Harvey and I'm the photographer, Dianna Saleh
Thanks
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From: Dianna Saleh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: Help
Hi, Lauren Sellers asked me to forward this shot of Walt driving Cosmo
that I took at Libby this summer. If you can use this shot you have my
permission.
Thanks!
Dianna Saleh
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Saturday, October 23, 1999 12:55 PM
Subject: Help
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello everyone from Libby. I have been contacted by the Nordicfest folks
who are in charge of the Nordicfest web site. They are looking for any
action shots of the horse show this year for posting. If any one that was
here have any great shots you would like to share you can contact me
privately or give me a call at
406-293-5861.
It has been a fab fall here this year. Still no snow some frost but a TON
of
fog, we are all starting to talk with a brit accent. Right now it is
almost
noon and can't see more that 50 yard from my porch. The horses look like
ghosts lurking out in the yard;-)
Michelle sorry to hear about you tranny troubles. I just spent $1,800.00
for
a new one in my truck. It really bites. Had to use the money I had
borrowed
to finish the barn to fix the truck. Robbing Peter to pay Paul does not
work
any more, Paul is to broke to pay attention let alone bills:{
Well better get to work, the housework faries did not show up again!!!
Drudge on Patty in Libby
RE: Help
This message is from: Dianna Saleh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi, if you use the picture I sent they'd like it labeled, Snowy's Cosmo
and Walter Harvey and I'm the photographer, Dianna Saleh
Thanks
-Original Message-
From: Dianna Saleh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: Help
Hi, Lauren Sellers asked me to forward this shot of Walt driving Cosmo
that I took at Libby this summer. If you can use this shot you have my
permission.
Thanks!
Dianna Saleh
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Saturday, October 23, 1999 12:55 PM
Subject: Help
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello everyone from Libby. I have been contacted by the Nordicfest folks
who are in charge of the Nordicfest web site. They are looking for any
action shots of the horse show this year for posting. If any one that was
here have any great shots you would like to share you can contact me
privately or give me a call at
406-293-5861.
It has been a fab fall here this year. Still no snow some frost but a TON
of
fog, we are all starting to talk with a brit accent. Right now it is
almost
noon and can't see more that 50 yard from my porch. The horses look like
ghosts lurking out in the yard;-)
Michelle sorry to hear about you tranny troubles. I just spent $1,800.00
for
a new one in my truck. It really bites. Had to use the money I had
borrowed
to finish the barn to fix the truck. Robbing Peter to pay Paul does not
work
any more, Paul is to broke to pay attention let alone bills:{
Well better get to work, the housework faries did not show up again!!!
Drudge on Patty in Libby
Re: Help!
This message is from: Rebekah Blaisdell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I might look at some dressage saddles. They should be made so you can really feel the horses movements, and they are deep like western saddles. I find them really comfortable, but that is me. The one I use fits my stocky fjord mare. Rebekah From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Help! Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:24:39 EST This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone, I am hoping some of you can help me sort out this saddle problem I am having. I am a beginner rider, and I mean BEGINNER. I am 36, about 5'10, and use a 17 seat. At least, that is what we think from measuring saddles. As a child, I had three riding experiences, all a bit on the scary side, and I suppose to watch, entertaining side. A lot of that had to do with the approach of throwing me in the saddle, handing me the reins, then sayingOff you go! HA When we got our first Fjords home, two were purchased specifically for me to learn to ride on, plus the fact I simply adore these two mares. One is 13.3, very drafty, 1400 pounds. The other is 13.1, on the drafty side, but still petite, if that makes a lick of sense. My husband is a firm believer in starting a new rider bareback, and I was ok with thathad a great deal of fun! I could feel the horse move, feel her stride and overall, and felt very secure. There was a connection. So, off we went to purchase a saddle. I prefer Western. We tried a reining saddle first, no good. Did not fit either mare. For me, it was kind of comfortable, but also, seemed to prohibit me feeling the horse. So, we traded it in for a Circle Y, Park and Ride (or something like that). HA Never again! The tree was twisted, which caused me to tilt to the left, which was very frightening. Also, it was so...thick I guess is the right word, I could not feel either mare, and was terrified of falling off because I could not feel them move. Also, the sides were so broad that I could not get my legs close to the horsevery scary to me. Does this make any sense? I brought the saddle back. The tack stores are stuck, not sure if they should suggest ordering me a special saddle, go English, go reining, or what. I have sat in countless saddles in the store, and did not like any of them, with the exception of a few of the Western ones without a skirt. Supposedly, they do not come in wide trees. My husband believes comfort for horse and rider is the key, but he is not too sure which direction to suggest, either. Nor am I sure what to do...seems like I cannot find a saddle to fit both me and my mares. I am most comfortable bareback, but that is not really an option forever. Someone has suggested I begin with an English saddle, then progress to Western. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Or on what type of saddles could possibly work that would fit my mares plus allow me to feel them? I seem to really need to feel them to feel secure. I would appreciate any input. Lynda Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: Help! (saddles)
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone, Thanks so much for all of the advice! I have written everything down. I am sure it will come in useful in the future. Well, my husband dragged me to another tack store today. Ugh. I am SO tired of looking at saddles! I think some of this may be tensenessmy last experience with my new (and returned) Western saddle was frightening for me, although nothing happened except the saddle twisted. Come to find out, it was made wrong. Anyway, I was talked into...AGAINsitting in about a million or two saddles, all of which I did not like. I did find an old used Plantation (?) saddle which I liked, but both hubby and store owner said NO. All of the English ones did not feel very sturdy (all were synthetic), whereas all the Westerns were just too.thick. I finally ran across an Aussie saddle, and lo and behold, I liked it! After much fussing around by the store owner and my husband, we decided to bring it home and try it on the girls. It is not wide enough for them, so the owner is ordering in a wide tree for us. I did talk a very small stroll on the saddle with my little mare, and it feels SO much better! I can move my legs, feel her sides, feel her gaitsawesome! I also will need to get some further info on the stirrups, my husband is not familiar with English gear, and I obviously have not a clue. They just do not stay hooked, must be doing something wrong. My husband is actually thinking of getting one, himself! Thanks again to everyone for their advice and encouragement. I was getting a little dispirited. Lynda Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm
Re: Help! (saddles)
This message is from: John and Martie Bolinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Having gotten hung up on my western saddle (newly purchased after riding English for manyyears), I can tell you it is a SCARY feeling to be so helpless and at the mercy of your horse! Luckilly, my horse, BJ is so calm and cool that he just stood around waiting for someone to come rescue me. I had dismounted (by myself) and gotten my coat hooked on the horn. BJ is a big horse at 16+ for my height. I got about halfway down when I realized I was caught. I could not get back up; I could not get all the way down. My cousin Vickie was riding with me and had to dismount and after trying unsuccessfully to unhook me from the saddle, finally loosened the girth so saddle and I both turned groundward. While the horse ho-hummed. If it had been my crazy Arab I would have been hurt for sure! We now laugh about the incident; it must have been quite a sight. Lesson learned - be aware of what you AND you horse are wearing. Martie (thank goodness Kilar is only 14h; I can almost reach the ground and ride at the same time) in WARM November MD. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/31/99 20:27:14 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Lynda I'm a beginner too and I have tried a few saddles this year., I found my love in my new Aussie saddle with horn. I'm not really a beginner, but not really an ace rider either (just have a lot of fun). And my favorite saddle of all time is my Aussie without horn for me, I HATE getting my shirt hung up on a horn during a dismount. The Aussies DO tend to throw your leg further forward than other saddles, and when you ride in a western, hunt or dressage saddle, you have to remember to reposition your legs farther back. But they are comfortable, can be adjusted to a degree to fit your horse's back and if your seat is less than perfect will help you stay in the saddle during minor emergencies. Pamela
Re: Help!
This message is from: Bushnell's [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have been propelled out of westerns and have never felt safe in them. . We're talking saddles here.. incidentally, (not movies =)) We use Western saddles.. because we're in Montana I guess =)) but thought I'd mention a hazard about them.. a gal near here, a few years back, was unseated somewhow and her loose fitting jacket waist caught on the saddle horn and she was severely roughed up before she could be set free from the panicked horse (non-Fjord). I always recall that when I select my riding attire. Ruthie, NW MT
Re: Help!
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I am 74 and have ridden English most of my horse life. I am also heavy set and 5'7 or was. To me a western saddle is exactly as you say, thick. I ride, despite a previous instructors warning that it was not sufficiently tight, a Passier Close Contact that allows me to feel every move my horse makes or is about to. I have been propelled out of westerns and have never felt safe in them. There is also that treeless saddle that was spoken of here some weeks ago that appears to be close contact and looks quite comfortable, fitting all horses. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Re: Help! (saddles)
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/31/99 20:27:14 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Lynda I'm a beginner too and I have tried a few saddles this year., I found my love in my new Aussie saddle with horn. I'm not really a beginner, but not really an ace rider either (just have a lot of fun). And my favorite saddle of all time is my Aussie without horn for me, I HATE getting my shirt hung up on a horn during a dismount. The Aussies DO tend to throw your leg further forward than other saddles, and when you ride in a western, hunt or dressage saddle, you have to remember to reposition your legs farther back. But they are comfortable, can be adjusted to a degree to fit your horse's back and if your seat is less than perfect will help you stay in the saddle during minor emergencies. Pamela
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This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lynda, What you probably need is to go to a tack store that employs a saddle maker. That's what we did when we needed saddles for our current Fjords. The first time around we took the horses up to the tack shop and the saddle maker spent quite a bit of time fitting the saddles to the horses - the most important part - and, hopefully, to us. My husband was a beginning rider - never been on a horse before. The first saddle we purchased for him was a fit for the horse, but after some use it was evident it was not a fit for my husband. It had a very narrow fork and no front end. Even I felt insecure in it. The second saddle we purchased fits fine - and the shop gave us a full refund on the saddle we returned. Remember, a new saddle is not always the best answer. For example, the saddle we purchased for my horse - and for me - is somewhere around 40 to 50 years old, was handmade in Idaho, and is a real winner. It's the old beartrap style saddle - the cantle is slanted slightly back towards the rider and has horns on the sides of it which your thighs fit under. Very secure. The kind of saddle cowboys used years ago when one couldn't always be sure your mount for the day wouldn't try to come out from under you at some point during the day. It IS heavy - heavier, even, than my husband's new roping saddle - and has a wide tree with a center fire cinch. For my short, tubby, little gelding the centered cinch (single cinch) is perfect, as it gets the cinch back away from his elbows a bit. We use western saddles with full Quarter Horse bars on most Fjords. Occasionally a semi-full bar saddle will fit if the horse in question has a narrower back with withers. I have also heard that Western saddles made specifically for Arabs will fit Fjords pretty well, as Arabs also have well sprung ribs and tend to have wide backs even though they still have prominent withers. A saddle made for an Arab tends to be of lighter construction, which would probably give you better feel for the horse's motion. I, too, learned to ride bareback - years ago - and it is still my preferred way to ride. However, many things now make it mandatory that I use a saddle. It was very disconcerting to ride in a saddle for quite a while, as I felt I could not communicate with the horse. However, after taking some lessons from a local trainer - and training my horse to a somewhat specific method of cues - I am now comfortable with my saddle. You can still feel the horse, it just feels differently. And, believe me, he/she CAN feel you and pick up on cues. If he can feel a fly on his hair, he can feel you move on his back! Hope this helps. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
Re: Help!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you tried an Aussie saddle? Or an endurance saddle? An older gentleman I know had an endurance saddle made to his exact specs. I have never ridden in a more comfortable saddle. Also...if feeling the horse is your requirement, have you tried a bareback pad with the stirrups? Good Luck! Kate
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This message is from: Carl and Sarah Nagel [EMAIL PROTECTED] original message was from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] anyone have any thoughts on this? Or on what type of saddles could possibly work that would fit my mares plus allow me to feel them? I seem to really need to feel them to feel secure. I would appreciate any input. Dear Lynda, I recently began riding again following a long period of time of not riding. A saddle that has worked well for me, as well as fitting 3 different fjords is the Abetta Endurance Saddle. It has a small skirt and is very lightweight. It has no horn, is easy maintenance and a wide tree. It fits my 4 16 year old Fjord mares, as well as fits a huge, drafty mare belonging to a friend of mine. I also ride in a 17inch seat (western size) and this saddle has been wonderful. I can feel the horse very well, each and every breath and movement. I am very comfortable and feel very secure riding in the saddle. And it comes with rings for the breastcollar, saddle bags and a crupper if you ride with any of those. The saddle was very inexpensive (approx. $280) and is working out very well for my trail rides. I am extremely happy to have this saddle, and will continue using it on the trail while I explore getting back into English riding in the arena and while I am looking for my perfect saddle, whether it be an endurance or a nice leather western saddle. I would recommend it highly, unless you are planning on showing ... as I believe these synthetic saddles would not be used in showing. Sarah Nagel in cold, crisp Northern Idaho where we had wind, rain and hail today.
Re: Help! (saddles)
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Lynda I'm a beginner too and I have tried a few saddles this year., I found my love in my new Aussie saddle with horn. It gives me the closeness I like to the horse, but the horn for support (and the fear on downhills) It also comes up higher in the back than my old saddle and I feel more secure, It is also more lightweight than my western saddle even though it is still leather. Dont know if this helps, but I rode in an Aussie at Chip Lambs and it wasnt even the right size and I new it was the kind of saddle for me Good Luck Sincerely, Michele Noonan In the Bitteroot Valley Stevensville, Montana
Re: help with trailers and travel
This message is from: Starfire Farm, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Laura, Sounds like you had a great time at Gladstone. Just to be there would be awesome! Sounds like you and Craig need to do the draft horse/fresian/warmblood thing and get a semieighteen wheeler, that is.you could install a mobile play room/nursery, etc., etc., etc.. Beth -- Beth Beymer Sandy North Starfire Farm, Berthoud CO www.starfirefarm.com
Re: Help needed in Kansas City this weekend
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry about the shortened message it was inadvertently sent by a kitten tromping on the key board Vivian, How funny!! I'm saving both messages for my husband to see. We have recently been temporary hosts to a Siamese-cross kitten who would definitely have figured out how to use the computer had she stayed much longer!! I'm sure she will be a great help to her knew owner. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
Re: Help needed in Kansas City this weekend
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry about the shortened message it was inadvertently sent by a kitten tromping on thR key board I sent the rest of the message to Cynthia. Have a Nice Day, Vivian
Re: Help needed in Kansas City this weekend
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Cynthia, Good Luck this weekend! You'll have no trouble finding a warm body3
