RE: driving at the derby
This message is from: "Mary Ofjord" What a wonderful explanation of your exploits at the Derby! Way to go Fjords! Thanks for getting them all dressed up and out in the public eye. Mary Ofjord North Coast Services, LLC 218-387-1879 This message is from: "lindy hild" Good Morning Well, the Fjords moved into Louisville last week and managed to impress just about everyone at the Pegasus Parade on Thursday April 30th . Its a big parade, there were about 115 units including about half a dozen Macys Parade type balloons, and many floats. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: driving at the derby
This message is from: Elisa Harvey Awesome! Elisa Sent from my iPhone > On May 6, 2015, at 8:29 AM, "lindy hild" wrote: > > This message is from: "lindy hild" > > > Good Morning > > Well, the Fjords moved into Louisville last week and managed to impress > just about everyone at the Pegasus Parade on Thursday April 30th . It?s a > big parade, there were about 115 units including about half a dozen ?Macy?s > Parade? type balloons, and many floats. > > We had 4 saddle horses, 3 singles with vehicles and 2 pairs of Norwegian > Fjords put to presentation vehicles, all dolled up in roses and ribbons. All > the people were wearing our very best turnout attire. Brass was gleaming and > tails and forelocks were silky in the breeze ( thankfully, the storm passed > over before we took to the actual parade route). > > > > The parade route was almost 2 miles down Broadway through downtown > Louisville, and there were large crowds of enthusiastic ( and loud) > spectators, who?d also braved the rain and wind. Lots of waving on all > sides. Bruce Hild, wearing Norwegian National costume looked a lot like > Santa in ?summer plumage? and many kids were very excited to see him! One > dad even called out ?nice sleigh, Santa!? as he passed by in an antique > Victoria carriage driven by Curt Pierce. > > > > I believe all of the humans had some inner qualms when the huge Kermit The > Frog parade balloon entered the queue just ahead of our unit. However, we > DID have Norwegian Fjords, after all, and they just stood there, totally > blas? about the big green balloon just ahead of them. It was quite a moment! > I know I was very proud of my mare, Dagney, just then. > > > > The voiceover commentary on the television was very complementary of our > unique-looking horses. It was a wonderful time for us all. As if we needed > any additional source of delight for a splendid week, we were informed > Saturday morning that we?d won the Non-Professional Equine Unit Award. > > > > Between the appearances in the 2014 Pasadena Rose Parade and the 2015 > Pegasus Parade, I am happy to report that showing the delightful Norwegian > Fjord Horses to the general public has been proudly carried on. > > > > Still tickled by it all ! > > Lindy (and Dagney, in the gloriously blooming northern Shenandoah Valley of > Virginia) > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: driving at the Kentucky Derby!
This message is from: Kay Van Natta Have a wonderful time! We're all so proud of you! Kay Van Natta (and Braveheart) Sent from my iPad > On Apr 27, 2015, at 8:08 AM, Karen Keith wrote: > > This message is from: Karen Keith > > > Go Team Dagney! Best of luck to you all. Have fun. > > Karen Keith > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: driving at the Kentucky Derby
This message is from: Elisa Harvey Awesome! Cant wait to see the videos and pictures Elisa On 4/27/15, 7:31 AM, "lindy hild" wrote: >This message is from: "lindy hild" > > >It's finally time!! > > > >Tomorrow and Wednesday, April 28 and 28, several drivers ( and riders) >with >their Norwegian Fjord Horses will converge on the Kentucky State >Fairgrounds. We have been invited to appear in the Pegasus Parade, THE >official parade for the Kentucky Derby. > >There will be 4 ridden Fjords, and 7 driven Fjords with various vehicles: >Curt Pierce and Marsha Korose are bringing Ulend and Solvar with an >Antique >Victoria carriage, Bob Long is bringing a Turnout vehicle and pair, Ardeth >Obenauf is bringing a single with a marathon vehicle, Jennifer Harber is >driving a single and I am taking Dagney and my Bird's Eye maple roadster. > >We are honored and thrilled to both be representing the Driving community >as >well as our beloved, delightful and unique Norwegian Fjords. It's a >wonderful opportunity to show off the different sorts of horse-drawn >vehicles still in use to the general public. We won't be running for the >roses, but we'll be wearing them! > >Eagerly anticipating a wonderful time ( and no rain) > >Lindy and Dagney in the Northern Shenandoah Valley of Virginia ( but >heading >west!) > >Important FjordHorse List Links: >Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e >FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw >FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: driving at the Kentucky Derby
This message is from: Debbie Hunt So exciting! I live in Louisville and so proud our breed with be represented in the land of the Thoroughbred! Enjoy the parade and our beautiful city and State. If anyone needs general information about the area. I am a native Louisvillian and would be happy to help. Debbie and Ivar (502) 435-2502 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: driving at the Kentucky Derby
This message is from: Karen Keith Go Team Dagney! Best of luck to you all. Have fun. Karen Keith Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Driving & Blinkers
This message is from: Karen McCarthy Susan, Re. driving w/o blinkers, yes, you can do this! It is permissable in all venues, however, in a pleasure show it might be frowned upon by some uber-subjective judges. Some horses are just naturally happier like this, and I have driven some horses (Arabs mostly) who actually go better in blinkers, I think because it limits their 'informational intake' and keeps them focused on whats in front of them. I always start my horses by driving "open" when hooked to a vehicle, then as they start anticipating the aids & cues, I move back to a blinkered bridle. As you have figured out, driving is not as easy as you think, and you are wise to ask alot of questions before jumping in...and you mentioned the "implications" of driving 'round the property. Well, just so you know, but not to scare you, things can get really funky in a hurry with a horse that is not a confirmed driving horse, and especially w/ a green driver at the reins. You need some buddies & driving mentors if you are going to delve into this discipline, and my suggestion is that you contact the Oklahoma Harness Horse Assoc, http://www.oklaharnesshorse.com/index.html which is an ADS affiliated club. From the looks of their website and calendar, they are very active, and I am sure as a newbie they will take you under their wing and point you in the direction of a good trainer and some beginner driving clinics. Just fyi, I have a Gjest grandaughter too who at age 5 has just been driving for 2 months. She was a bit fussier at first than most of my other Fjords, but one day she just decided that the world was ok behind blinkers and moved right along in her training. I also do TONS of groundwork before I ever dream of hooking them to a cart. Almost 100% of the groundwork is in an open bridle, then I add race track blinkers over the bridle off and on and it becomes no big deal. we do lots of standing, tied and untied while in harness, they learn a good "whoa" and I expose them gradually to ever more challenging scenarios away from home while ground driving (and riding too, I am not the energizer bunny I once was walking for miles...) I also work my horses in a draft harness during most of the groundwork phase: it's wonderful for desensitizing them to weird stuff with the bulk of the harness, the collar, heel chains clanging and traces around their legs, plus they learn to pull progressively heavier objects which teaches them to pull (which is actually not such a Fjord problem, but maybe more of a tendency reserved for Arabs and lighter breeds). Costs for a decent (read: safe!) used harness, anywhere from $350 - $600 (make sure it is American, Amish made typically), and a good used easy entry type of cart can be had for $400-$800 depending. (I like the Jerald or Houghton training type carts, esp. the ones w/ wood wheels. They are light, easy to hop in and out of and if you move on up to a vehicle you can use to show in, you can sell them pretty much for what you paid for them.) Anyway, I've digressed quite a bit here in this post, but I think with the right s-l-o-w approach to training for the both of you, you and Sparrow will be driving for many years. Bon Voyage! Karen :: Karen McCarthy :: Great Basin Fjords :: Madras, Oregon :: > From: ssext...@hotmail.com > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Driving & Blinkers > Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 20:22:31 -0500 > > This message is from: S Sexton > > > I've noticed there seem to be several driving folks on the list so I hope they > can answer this one and hope they'll have alot of patience. I've never done > any horse driving or related events before, just riding so it's all new and > interesting to me. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Driving without blinders -
This message is from: Carol Makosky I switched to no blinders a few years ago to see if she would shy less at monster looking objects ( pocket gophers mounds & small logs) along the road and never have put them back on. That way I don't have to worry about her rubbing & damaging the blinders. I don't let her rub if I can help it, but this happens at times when one is not looking. It is also easier to pack up the harness & not be concerned how the blinders are placed to not be damaged. On 2/25/12 5:42 PM, Amy Evers wrote: This message is from: Amy Evers It was a cute Fjord and I love that it was driven without blinkers! Not that I advocate that (whatever the horse needs) it was just neat to see. -- "God forbid that I should go to any heaven in which there are no horses." R.B. Cunningham Graham Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin Home of Heidi, The Wonder Pony Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re Driving Digest
This message is from: Phillip Odden This message is from Phillip Odden in Northwestern Wisconsin where summer seems to be giving way to fall but the mosquitos are still mighty thick. Thanks Julie for the kind words about our program here at Odden's Norwegian Fjord Horses. It will be fun to see the picture in Driving Digest. Iron Horse 2010 was a memorable event with all the top Four in Hands there. Iron Horse is such a nice venue with lots of wonderful volunteers, drivers and exciting horses. The obstacles there are certainly challenging. Some years ago Else and I set a goal to show well trained and nicely mannered athletic Fjord Horses at ADS sponsored pleasure driving shows and Combined Driving Events across the country. To be successful we knew we needed to find Fjords that could move as good as, or better than the Morgans, German sport ponies, Halflingers, Welch ponies and all the other great driving horses out there. These days the horses people are choosing to drive and ride at open shows are getting better as people understand it takes a good athletic horse to compete. It also takes a horse that is trainable, able to focus, and one that will remain sound over time in a demanding sport. These are the same qualities that make good trail horses or good dressage horses. The NFHR Evaluation Program offers the basic knowledge to get started in the right direction. I have learned a great deal from the evaluation program. As I started to choose horses to compete with some day, I didn't want to rely on some breeders self serving propaganda on which to base my choice for an athletic sport pony and a breeding and training program of our own. I wanted to learn for myself what it takes. I decided on the conformation and disposition I wanted in my competition horses based on what I learned from the NFHR Evaluation Program. Then I set out to prove or disprove what I thought would work. When we are not competing our show horses we use these horses around the farm to haul firewood, haul maple sap, till the garden, trail ride, and as pack horses on hunting trips out West. I often practice driven dressage movements with my hay wagon. It takes a team effort to do pleasure shows and CDE. Howard and Sophie Fiedler and Else and I have had lots of fun along the way. When Howard isn't able to go Bob Long has also helped. As many of you know, Else can take some awesome horse photos besides helping to clean harness and vehicles. It takes a team effort. You can't get there by yourself. There are several other Fjords doing very well at ADS pleasure shows and CDE's across the country. Right now I think Howard and Sophie's stallion, the one they call Hershey, is one to watch. He has scored very well in the NFHR evaluation program and he too is proving himself in ADS sponsored driving shows and ridden dressage shows. Next weekend we will be at Villa Louis on the banks of the Mississippi trying to extend our string of Championships there and then off to demonstrate at the World Equestrian Games in Lexington Kentucky in October where we hope to churn up a cloud of dust in the ADS Driving Derby. Stay safe, Phil Odden Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Driving video
This message is from: Heather Baskey Unbelievable!!! wow! I had chills ... Thank you for sharing Eike! Heather http://www.reed-expo.de/hoptop2009/video/006_Zweispaenner_IG_Fjord.swf Eike Schön-Petersen __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: driving bits
This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com I like the Myler butterfly driving bit with a low wide port (MB15) You can order htem in any width from Driving Essentials. You can also order this mouthpiece in a Liverpool cheek. The Glory bits are also good, but hard to find anymore? Fjords have low pallets and large tongues, so a mullen mouth or low wide port may help. The shape of the Myler bits really helps also. Jean in Hot Fairbanks, Alask, 80 degrees and smoke. > I'm thinking about buying a mullen mouth liverpool driving bit for my > fjord mare, Trina, as it was recommended by my trainer. She has been > driving well for a year and a half in a low port liverpool on the > first slot, but she is a very forward mare and sometimes tosses her > head when you apply the curb chain. She's one of those strong-willed > fjords, but hasn't given me any trouble. Apparently she gave my > trainer some grief this past month when I was laid up with a broken > leg and left her with the trainer. I wonder if a mullen mouth bit > will really help. Any comments? Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: re Driving today
This message is from: Eric Kozowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Janet wrote: This message is from: "Janet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OK Erick...totally unfair...just where do you live to have such a beautiful back drop? and what is the green stuff on the ground??? My fjordies are still leaving fur angels in the snow. Beautiful pics and your fjord looked very good hitched to the forecart! I'm in NE Oregon at the base of the Wallow Mountains. Don't feel bad about the snow - we just got 5" of new snow this afternoon. A week ago we still had 12-18" of snow on the ground. A bunch melted off over the weekend (it was 72 degrees yesterday). -- Eric Kozowski Joseph, OR "You can see what man made from the seat of an automobile, but the best way to see what god made is from the back of a horse." - Charles M. Russell The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
re Driving today
This message is from: "Janet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OK Erick...totally unfair...just where do you live to have such a beautiful back drop? and what is the green stuff on the ground??? My fjordies are still leaving fur angels in the snow. Beautiful pics and your fjord looked very good hitched to the forecart! Janet The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Driving the spooky horse
This message is from: Dianne White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I need to add my 2 cents worth here too. I started as a green driver with a green horse. Draako was my first (well really, only Fjord) so the breed was foreign to me. A friend suggested that I join the local driving club and learn to drive. What fun I thought! The club was very helpful but I made plenty of mistakes. Luckily I was only ground driving. When ground driving, Draako found out that if he just started spinning in circles he could quickly pull the lines out of my hands and off he went on a joyous run around the place, driving lines in tow. When he did it a second time, he actually fell down all wrapped it up in the driving lines, managed to get up and take off like a shot. Too dangerous for us to continue at that time. I decided to break him to ride since I have tons of experience doing that and I needed to let him know that I did know a thing or two. Riding was a breeze. However, I was cautioned not to miss any steps that I would normally take breaking any other breed and not to mistake willingness for being trained. I took that advice seriously. Our club has sponsored semi-annual driving clinics so I started taking lessons at them. The very first clinician really stressed safety and for that I am greatful. After learning some at these clinics I started back to ground driving. I ground drove for almost 6 months. I walked many miles behind my boy (got in pretty good shape too!) I would walk throught the barn and knock over trash cans, slam every stall and tack room door, hit my whip on the rafters, etc. Then added the tire, then the shafts and finally the cart. Walked behind that for awhile too. Finally I got in. Everything went well. We have had a few scarey moments though. At one clinic, Draako was getting a little testy because he really didn't want to move forward so at the right moment when the onion, conveyer truck drove by, he took off. Since my husband was video taping this, I was able to count the times I said "WHOA". That would be 13 times. Needless to say, we needed to work on his halt. But I made plenty of mistakes and thank goodness that Fjords are very forgiving. So I had the pleasure of learning how to correct those mistakes. We now (well up until his stifle injury) drive alot, still attend clinics and he is so much fun. I guess my main message here is that regardless of what breed you have, driving is not something that you rush in to. You need to do your time on your ground work and then decide if the horse is suitable for driving or even likes it. Dianne and Draako ( who is snug in his barn during our latest snow storm) (with wind. We hate the wind) - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Driving the spooky horse
This message is from: Starfire Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I would like to second what Lisa has posted regarding being thorough with your driving training. I had the privilege of working with a very respected, true horseman, who drove drafts. He actually drove a famous 6 and 8-up hitch of Percherons that showed at draft shows across the nation. I can't remember the name of the hitch now and he hasn't driven for them in several years, but he won A LOT. His method for starting horses driving was to ground drive them for countless hours and days, in a halter (a flat halter, no less) with only ONE long leadrope. When he could drive that horse wherever he wanted, turning whichever direction he wanted, no matter what side he was on or how far back he was from the horse, he put a harness on them and then ground drove them for hours and days in harness. When he was satisfied that they were settled and confident in their work, then he would attach faux shafts, drag tires, etc. for another set of hours and days before actually hitching them. It was a pleasure to watch him work with the horses. He was never gruff with them and spoke to them in a "normal" tone of voice. He always said that the horses could hear him speaking at a normal volume, even over the clang and rattle of the heel chains and farm equipment. He was right! Those horses always had their ears on them and they always had his attention, even when he was talking to folks riding with him. He and I had a discussion about whether or not to use blinkers while driving. His theory was, because in this day and age we don't use our horses every day, all day, like was done in the days before automotive power, it is probably more safe nowadays to use blinkers on a horse. I do agree with this. Although I know that there are some horses that fare better without blinkers, I think that far more are better off with them. He also felt that using blinkers would better allow a teamster to put a variety of noisey farm equipment behind a team of horses. I remember starting Obie in harness without blinkers at first, then when I added the blinkered bridle, it was almost comic to watch him trying to see around the blinkers! He was holding his head as high as he could, then holding it low, then to one side and another! It was a riot. It took him almost a week of going like that before he accepted the fact that he wouldn't be able to see around the darned things! He is awesome to drive, by the way. Over the years, I have had my share of experiences with runaways, both in saddle and in harness. A true runaway cannot be stopped by any kind of force what-so-ever (unless it's some kind of physical obstacle that the poor animal runs into). A runaway horse has to "peak" before it can even begin to listen to any kind of signals the human might be trying to give it. Yelling anything (like "WHOA") while a horse is truly running will only serve to frighten it more. You're better off just trying to ride it out (if it is safe to do so) until you feel the horse begin to look for support, at which point you can sometimes reel them in before they get going again. If you are riding a horse that runs, you have a choice of bailing or not and hope that the horse doesn't run somewhere that will harm itself or someone else. If you are driving a horse that runs, pray that you don't have to turn, because the carriage will surely tip over and, more often than not, solid obstacles are not enough to stop a runaway dragging a carriage behind it. And, more often than not, someone is going to get seriously injured. Like Lisa said, horses that "startle," or are constantly looking behind them, or have that "1,000 mile stare," are a red flag for me, telling me that the horse needs more work to become a solid driving animal. It's not something to take personally, or ito be embarrased about. It's just horses. True horsemen and women are always "going back to basics" to help with their horses' confidence, no matter what discipline they are training. You should be able to shake cans, toss things around the horse's feet, toss stuff that touches is sides, hindquarters, legs, something that goes inbetween their legs (pool noodles are great for this!) etc., etc., without that horse either moving (or even caring) if it is standing, OR without changing cadence or speed if it is moving. I ESPECIALLY feel that it is important that the horse can handle these things while it is moving, whether it is wearing blinkers or not. Lisa also mentioned the problem with green drivers/riders training green horses. The problem is not necessarily that the green person is not a capable person, but that person may not have the experience to be able to tell what signals the horse is giving them about it's level of confidence. Bad things happen...in a heartbeat...(right Gail?) with VERY experienced drivers and experienced horses! An experienced horseperson is usually
RE: Driving Adventures
This message is from: "Cherie Mascis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >for the first time ever I felt the draw of driving. I can hardly wait for my >next lesson! >Kate >and Joe (who CAN pull, but just doesn't think he should) >and Della (who seems to do everything with good will) Kate: Sounds like fun! It's great that Joe and Della did so well. I've been ground driving Tyra, and just this week had her drag a Plastic pipe travois that I made. It didn't faze her at all, aren't Fjords great?! I'm going to try her with a Kathy Zahn training cart, my boss bought for his Belgian. I had them make me some Fjord-sized shafts. Maybe we could drive together at the next Fjord Fun Fest! I need a good synthetic harness, but have to save up! Cherie Western North Carolina Tyra(Fjord,)Lilja,and Roka (Icelandics) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: driving bits
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/18/2007 10:12:45 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do any of you drive with a Kimberwicke? Yes, I drive with Kimberwicke bits. I use the Uxeter style with low port solid mouth (my girls do not like jointed bits). I use them on the upper setting 90% of the time - which is basically a snaffle setting with no real leverage at all. Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords 260 May Creek Rd Days Creek, OR 97429 541-825-3303 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: driving bits
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Myler makes driving bits with butterfly and elbow cheeks, probably would make a Liverpool cheek too. I have the butterfly Myler with a solid low port (wide) mouthpiece (MB 15) and also the elbow with the same mouthpiece. I got the elbow bit , 6", from Big Horse Feed and tack in California and the butterfly Myler in a 5.5" from Driving Essentials. The Myler Kimberwick cheek looks a lot like a driving bit cheek. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska clear land cold, -1 degree Hi Melinda, I am sure that one can find Kimberwicke bits for much less--like $35 or so. But those are made in Pakistan and some are decent and others are awful. The specific Kimberwicke I am refering to is a Myler bit, and Myler bits are expensive! The custom made Mylers are made in America and cost aproximately $140 or so. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: driving bits
This message is from: "Melinda Schumacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sure! Melinda On Nov 19, 2007 8:25 PM, jen frame <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi Melinda, I am sure that one can find Kimberwicke bits for much > less--like $35 or so. But those are made in Pakistan and some are > decent and others are awful. > The specific Kimberwicke I am refering to is a Myler bit, and Myler > bits are expensive! The custom made Mylers are made in America and > cost aproximately $140 or so. The pre-made Mylers are made in China, > which I am not thrilled about, but the Myler brothers themselves > inspect the Chinese made bits and have strict quality control, so they > are probably the best Chinese made bits you could get. They too are > expensive--like I said $110.00. > Myler bits are supposedly worth the price! I'll let you know if I end > up buying one, what I think of it, if you are interested. > Jen > > On 11/19/07, Melinda Schumacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This message is from: "Melinda Schumacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Kimberwicks cost $110?! Is that what you are saying? Mine was $25 or > $35. > > just curious about that, > > Melinda > > > > Coaching with Melinda Schumacher, MD Personal Empowerment through Creative Expression and Equine Experiential Learning "You wander from room to room hunting for the diamond necklace that is already around your neck." ~Jalal-Uddin Rumi "As she knotted the reins and took her stand, the horse's soul came into her hand, and up from the mouth that held the steel came an innermost word, half thought, half feel."~paraphrased, John Masefield Fly Without Wings www.flywithoutwings.net Gestalt Practitioner www.gestaltcleveland.org The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: driving bits
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Melinda, I am sure that one can find Kimberwicke bits for much less--like $35 or so. But those are made in Pakistan and some are decent and others are awful. The specific Kimberwicke I am refering to is a Myler bit, and Myler bits are expensive! The custom made Mylers are made in America and cost aproximately $140 or so. The pre-made Mylers are made in China, which I am not thrilled about, but the Myler brothers themselves inspect the Chinese made bits and have strict quality control, so they are probably the best Chinese made bits you could get. They too are expensive--like I said $110.00. Myler bits are supposedly worth the price! I'll let you know if I end up buying one, what I think of it, if you are interested. Jen On 11/19/07, Melinda Schumacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Melinda Schumacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Kimberwicks cost $110?! Is that what you are saying? Mine was $25 or $35. > just curious about that, > Melinda > > > On 11/19/07, Gail Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > If you are brave, you can search google what you want, and add > > "craigslist" > > as a search term. I just bought a pair of Cliff Lynch chinks from someone > > in Virgina that way. There is a risk, because there is no feed back > > system. > > I paid with paypal, and it worked great. > > > > I also bought an arena drag this way, and had it shipped cross country,. > > > > Gail > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > > > > > > > > -- > Coaching with Melinda Schumacher, MD > Personal Empowerment through Creative Expression and Equine Experiential > Learning > > "You wander from room to room hunting for the diamond necklace that is > already around your neck." ~Jalal-Uddin Rumi > > "As she knotted the reins and took her stand, the horse's soul came into her > hand, and up from the mouth that held the steel came an innermost word, half > thought, half feel."~paraphrased, John Masefield > > Fly Without Wings www.flywithoutwings.net > Gestalt Practitioner www.gestaltcleveland.org > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: driving bits
This message is from: "Melinda Schumacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Kimberwicks cost $110?! Is that what you are saying? Mine was $25 or $35. just curious about that, Melinda On 11/19/07, Gail Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > If you are brave, you can search google what you want, and add > "craigslist" > as a search term. I just bought a pair of Cliff Lynch chinks from someone > in Virgina that way. There is a risk, because there is no feed back > system. > I paid with paypal, and it worked great. > > I also bought an arena drag this way, and had it shipped cross country,. > > Gail > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > > -- Coaching with Melinda Schumacher, MD Personal Empowerment through Creative Expression and Equine Experiential Learning "You wander from room to room hunting for the diamond necklace that is already around your neck." ~Jalal-Uddin Rumi "As she knotted the reins and took her stand, the horse's soul came into her hand, and up from the mouth that held the steel came an innermost word, half thought, half feel."~paraphrased, John Masefield Fly Without Wings www.flywithoutwings.net Gestalt Practitioner www.gestaltcleveland.org The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: driving bits
This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If you are brave, you can search google what you want, and add "craigslist" as a search term. I just bought a pair of Cliff Lynch chinks from someone in Virgina that way. There is a risk, because there is no feed back system. I paid with paypal, and it worked great. I also bought an arena drag this way, and had it shipped cross country,. Gail The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: driving bits
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> HI Carol, I agree that if it works well: use it! But it will cost me $110 to buy it to find out if it works well! Basically I am wondering if other Fjord owners ever drive in a riding bit.? Thanks, Jen On 11/19/07, Carol Makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Carol Makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Do any of you drive with a > Kimberwicke? > > I think my friend used one when he owned his Fjord. If it works well, then > use it, I say. > > -- > Built Fjord Tough > Carol M. > On Golden Pond > N. Wisconsin > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: driving
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Re: driving on a road
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have the traditional orange triangle that goes from vehicle to vehicle for road driving and a pair of really cool flashing red tail-lights that I bought for $10 each at a bicycle store. I added some electrician's tape along the outside to insure that the red plastic covers stay on and put them on my marathon cart which does the majority of the road time with Braveheart and me. I don't think the manufacturers had our kind of bumpy ride in mind when they assembled the little rascals. Anyhow, they're a nifty addition. One push of the little button on them turns on the light and a second push makes it into a flashing light. The bike store told me that the batteries last a long time and, so far, they have. I agree about staying in your lane (to which you are definitely entitled) so drivers aren't as tempted to squeeze you off the road as they might be. I've been known to slide over when I'm riding (more escape maneuvers are possible then) but not in harness. Most people do seem to be both careful and thoughtful and now that the high schools are open for business again, that 9AM - 2PM time slot is starting to look good once more. Happy driving! Kay and Braveheart, ruler of the gravel road ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: driving on a road
This message is from: "Linda Lottie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Couple things..I use a bike flag on my carts. Stands up TALL with an orange flag. Also, a slow moving vehicle sign and you can purchase a "pass wide and slowly" sign to hang on the back of the cart. Good luck.LJBL in WI From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: driving on a road Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:48:07 -0400 This message is from: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I was wondering what other folks due for safety while driving down a paved road. We only want to drive a very short distance to access dirt drives, but want to be safe and keep the drivers alert and behaved. Ellen The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: driving on a road
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I drive on the road all the time. I always keep an SMV (slow moving vehicle) sign on my cart; as far as I know that is all that is required legally. More importantly (or, at least as important) is that I drive down the CENTER of the lane. I take up the full width of my lane, which forces vehicles that want to pass me into the oncoming lane. I found that if I stayed to the side of the road, drivers would squeeze me, but if I'm in the middle they move all the way over. Go figure, but it works. Most people are wonderful, and either stop to take pictures, point it out to the kids, or just stop to have a conversation. k. - Original Message - From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: driving on a road This message is from: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I was wondering what other folks due for safety while driving down a paved road. We only want to drive a very short distance to access dirt drives, but want to be safe and keep the drivers alert and behaved. Ellen The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: driving on a road
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ellen, I do a lot of driving on paved roads with traffic. It's always quite an experience, especially here in southern CA. I would suggest you buy the caution sign that attaches to your carriage. I think this is a requirement on roads with cars. And I would get comfortable using hand signals that slow people down, and the ones for turns. It amazes me how clueless people are driving their cars around horses. They don't slow down and whiz by you at high speeds. You have to be a bit of a traffic cop when you drive your horse around cars. Elaine Olsen ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: driving/riding on the rail
This message is from: "Teressa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My first driving competition and first time driving my mare with other rigs in an arena was last year at Libby. The class was huge and all the issues mentioned in these postings were whirling through my head. Fortunately, Nina was a trooper. However, at the time, I wish I had known that classes that large should be divided as I would have requested that be done. What is the procedure for class participants to request that large classes be divided? Or is it something that one doesn't do...as in question the judge or show stewards? Or who does make that decision? Teressa in Ferndale, WA The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Driving alone...Thanks for all the help!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, Kay, what about a little tattoo on your, um, well, uh, wherever?!? :-) DeeAnna ...If anything ever happened, Braveheart (the wonder pony) is DNA-ed, microchipped and tattooed so there'd be no trouble identifying HIM, but ME...? The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: driving alone
This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If it is cool enough, put on an eventing vest along with the helmet. Just one more piece of insurance. (Even if someone is with you, this would be worth doing.) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: driving question
This message is from: "Ardeth Obenauf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I drive by myself a lot. I can't always get someone to go and sometimes it's just nice to have it just be me and the pony. I have no traffic where I drive as I can stay on my own farm, but there are all kinds of critters that could jump out or we could suffer a mechanical failure. I always take my phone with me and wear my helmet. In addition, if Ron is gone for the day, I call someone and let them know what I'm doing and ask them to send out an alarm if they don't hear from me by a specified time. Then I write myself a note to remember to make that call when I get back or I'd forget and have a major rescue effort going on for no reason. Ao Ardeth Obenauf The Lazy AO Farm Shelbyville, TN The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: driving alone
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A cell phone attached to the human's body is a great idea. I would also recommend wearing in a comfortable sheath a sharp folding knife or a "Leatherman" type of multi-tool that has a sharp blade. DeeAnna ...Have my cell phone on my person. Have good ID on my person with person to call in emergency, blood type, allergies, etc The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Driving mare or lawn ornament?
This message is from: Starfire Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Vanessa, I might have a suggestion for your mare that you and your trainer might be able to figure/check out. I just want to be clear that she has to be sound with everything else but under saddle (including lunging on a circle). If that is the case, your problem might be with the horse's (and rider's) straightness while your mare is ridden under saddle. Watch her closely while she is being ridden, to make sure that her hind legs are following the front legs, that she is not "popping out" of either shoulder, or that her hindquarters aren't falling in or falling out, that the weight is as equal as possible on all four legs, with the neck of the horse coming out of the middle of the shoulders, not too much flexion to the left or the right. Also, make sure that the rider is absolutely centered on the horse, not leaning off to either side, or collapsing into either ribcage, or collapsing their hip, or leading with one hip or the other, etc. It might take a few rides to determine, but if you can manage all of that, and she is still lame, then neither of these straightness issues are your problem. I have recently worked with a few horses that appeared to be lame, but only under saddle. The problem with one was a "straightness" issue in the horse's body, with the horse habitually carrying it's hindquarter weight to one side, and more with one leg that the other. Once the horse was ridden asking the "weaker" leg to start carrying it's share of the load, placing that leg further under the body than it had habitually been doing, the horse became sound (and has had no problems since). A couple of other horses were rider-crookedness issues. Once the rider learned to sit straight and relaxed in the saddle, the horse was no longer lame (this is sometimes noted as "rein lameness"). Hope this helps. Beth Vanessa N. Weber wrote: This message is from: "Vanessa N. Weber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, I have a young 5 year old mare that I need to rehome. She's had some excellent ground work training but she comes up lame in the right hind when ridden. We've had her vetted up the ying yang and we can't figure out what's wrong. My trainer feels that she might be able to do some driving, and that might even help her loosen up a bit. She's on the pushy side so she's not for a beginner. I absolutely don't want her bred in case whatever is wrong is genetic and also because the weight of a foal might injure her further. If anyone knows of someone who is responsible and can abide with these conditions, could you let me know? Many thanks, Vanessa N Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw -- Starfire Farm Beth Beymer and Sandy North http://www.starfirefarm.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Driving
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: lhcarriage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 1:10 pm Subject: Driving > This message is from: "lhcarriage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > As many know I have been driving for a long time and I agree with > Lisa that > a horse ( pony ) needs to learn how to drive single first. I have > had a few > ditto I am taking team driving lessons from an old time driver who has horse farmed for years using his percheron and shire draft teams. This is in preparation to teaching two of my own to work as a team. Although he does advocate hitching a young horse to an older one, he will only do it if the youngster has first driven single. He always starts a daily workout for his young teams on a stoneboat so the edge is off and they learn to stand without fidgeting. His too are trained to stand for harnessing and he has his own "code" to start them since he now drives wagons with lots of kids, who invariably try to make the horses go on their own. He took me on as a "student" after we both drove for a reenactment of a stretch of the oregon trail ( about 62 miles over three days with 16 kids) I drove my Fjord mare single on a spring wagon with her foal behind over about a third of the trail ( too long for a youngster to go the whole way) behind the mounted riders and walkers. We picke d up the stragglers who were walking and needed a break . Thankfully, I completed the trail in my pickup with airconditioning as the safety pickup for kids who had too much sun. It was hot, dusty but a once in a lifetime opportunity for a group of kids .We camped out every night. To make a long story short, he was impressed with the Fjord and wants to add a Fjord team (mine) to next years trek. (probably the only reason he is teaching ME) and he wants to have someone to help drive when he needs more than one wagon. I was totally impressed with the manners of his team and how absolutely responsive they were to voice and lines. They would freeze in their tracks when you let up contact or he told them to whoa and stand. He really emphasizes this because his kid passengers are so unpredictable and at the most unexpected times will dart around the horses. He, in turn was impressed with the Fjord. He was surprised that she kept up with his team and her totally calm dem eanor around kids, horses and all the things on the trail, especially with a colt in tow. (The colt by the way was the hit of the drive - I let the kids name him). (I personally think that he is also impressed with the short distance from ground to back for harnessing. I can barely get the harnesses on the big guys, they are so heavy and thisguy is in his 70s with a bad leg and back.) Kathy -roasting in SE Idaho
Re: driving info
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] many thanks to all of you who provided me with so much information about it. makes me realize even more what a great extended family the fjord people are. phil, i totally agree with not combining a green drive/green horse. i have been told that oz is probably not even a good candidate for it, and if not, i would not mind having a mini around. but, either way, it will be a while before i am in a position to do anything about it. gotta get this knee totally done with first. oz won't be at blue earth, he's boarding at my instructor's and i will keep him there for a while. she and patti jo have both suggested i build an arena (outdoors) here at home for safer riding. i plan to do that, and told hubby as much. i have 26 acres, and dirt roads, but i feel like i need to start over again, first with some ground work, and lessons, before i bring him home. i always thought how neat it would be to have a horse right out the window, but it's also hard for me right now and i know he's taken good care of where he is. i am told on his last right, they had to pull the cinch up two more notches :) kay, will miss you at BE, but look forward to winona on to blue earth.and next time you guys see me, ya better smile, because i'm going to be running the camera. laurie
Re: Driving Forum -- Back to the Future
This message is from: kay a konove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It must be wishful thinking to keep the event running through 2207 -- I meant next year in 2007, of course!! Kay Brimfield, MA
Re: driving harness ( for a fjord)
This message is from: "willowind" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> By all means CAMPTOWN HARNESS, by way of Dave McWethy now of Washington state,formerly of New Hamster. He knows fjords better than the back of his hand, has done all manner of driving from cross country to under the lights and scrutiny of big audiences. He has been working to create harnesses that are efficient,comfortable to the horse and good looking for quite a while and the harnesses are great. Of course we got the best part, personal (our horses!)fitting and visiting ( us ) with Pam and Dave, who we still consider friends even though miles and long gaps in communication separate us. We could not have easier, prettier harness ,just wish we had more time to train one of our youngest fjords to become part of a pair, right now we really have 3 singles. oh well, nothing new. Any way, the camptown bridles fit a fjord head much better than any others, probably would be great on a wide cob forehead as well. these are quality harnesses that I can see lasting a lifetime. Its too bad we have to keep so many sizes of harness for our center, all of them no matter how nice are much harder to keep than Camptown. good luck and have fun , Joanna
Re: driving harness
This message is from: Linda Lottie User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For newSmuckers On 12/28/05 9:06 AM, "Larry Goss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Larry Goss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I need either a used single driving harness or a new beta-thane driving > harness. Does anyone have an opinion (that is a funny statement on this > chat site) on where to get it? for a 14 hand, 1150 lb fjord. > Larry Goss
Re: Driving Reassurance
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for your input - it is more helpful than you'll ever know, and I'll answer some of the questions in a minute. I did want to point out a possible cause for Joe's unusual (for him) behavior. As we unhitched him, he coughed. A nasty cough, but seemed fine otherwise, although I checked his temperature because we have strangles at our boarding barn. When I went back Saturday night, he coughed a couple of more times, but nothing else. By Sunday morning his nose was running badly, and his temp had shot to 103.4. Vet started him on antibiotics, but by Sunday night temp had risen to 103.8. His neck glands are fairly swollen, but we seem to have caught everything fast enough to prevent any possible ruptures. by this morning his temp was back down to 102, and although he is clearly not feeling great, seems to be okay (eating, drinking - but that dreadful cough thing). So, I have to wonder if his head tossing and general "bad" behavior may have been connected to his no! t feeling well. With respect to a couple of other notes, Joe did so well at every step, we may have moved him too quickly. He never moved a muscle during any of the harnessing, adjusting, fidgeting, rolling up the cart and attaching (and good lord there must be a million of those straps to attach!!). No signs of nervousness, standing with a hind leg cocked and his eyes half shut. Can't make my barn manager out to be a saint - he definitely has some techniques I wouldn't use. But I take full responsibility for the stupidity of getting in a cart with a broken leg . It was, however, safer than the week before when I had gotten up onto the picnic table to see if I could just step onto him and ride with the cast on... I do think it would have been a better idea to start the work in a fenced enclosure, and I think both Joe and I would benefit from some "official" professional training! I also agree that there should have been a lot more work on stopping and standing before moving him at a trot (I think everyone gets carried away by how nice he looks and moves, and there was more trotting than there should have been with a horse who had issues stopping!). Glad to note that he was supposed to be using that whip - definitely would not have occurred to me to use it as a guide and cue the way he did. That seemed odd to me, but makes more sense now that it's explained, since he's more comfortable going forward. And for the Marv Walker recommendation: you're the first real person I've met who ever used his techniques (besides me)!! I used his joinup technique with my last horse and had really cool results. Never really thought about it as applying to driving, but I may have missed something on his site. Mostly, I am a Parelli afficianado, but I also don't miss an issue of John Lyon's magazine. You know us new horsepeople - we can be obsessive! So now I head back down to the barn for my third visit of the day where I stand and wring my hands and feel guilty for him having strangles and my making him pull a buggy anyway!! Kate and Joe (basically, the sad little coughing pony who has an excellent appetite nevertheless)
Re: Driving Reassurance
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, Marv Walker is great but I really like Steve Bowers of Bowers Farm http://www.bowersfarm.com/ He gives clinics and trains people as well as horses to drive. He uses a natural Horseman type groundwork before hitching. They have a great video set available: "TRAINING THE DRIVING HORSE". The Bowers Farm is located in Fort Collins, Colorado. Jean in sunny and cold Fairbanks, Alaska -10F, was -20 this morning. > My >final opinion as of now is: Marv Walker has about the best system for >ground work leading into riding or driving, >http://AwarenessHorsemanship.com/marv.htm And then years ago Jessie Beery >developed a very good system of training to drive in a very safe manner, >he had it set up where he could totally disable the horse harmlessly if >it started doing something dangerous, and that taught the horse what he >wasn't supposed to do.
Re: Driving Reassurance
This message is from: Reuben Titus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Many men have spent their lives working on figuring out how to train horses safely and effectivly, both from a riding and driving perspective. I've spent my adult life searching out what they've wrote about it. My final opinion as of now is: Marv Walker has about the best system for ground work leading into riding or driving, http://AwarenessHorsemanship.com/marv.htm And then years ago Jessie Beery developed a very good system of training to drive in a very safe manner, he had it set up where he could totally disable the horse harmlessly if it started doing something dangerous, and that taught the horse what he wasn't supposed to do. In training to ride I'd use Marv's ideas and then work it into riding. To train to drive I'd do Marv's system and then start driving using some of Beery's driving harness, (His books and harness availible from an amish harness maker in Ohio last I knew.) From what you say, it sounds like the right kind of ground work hasn't been done. But, being you have someone to work with him, if the man working him is comfortable to continue driving untill he's safe, I suppose to let him do it is the best thing to do in the circumstance, because that will work in time even if it isn't the absolute safest method that's ever been invented. RT Get your free horse related email. - http://www.horsemail.com -
Re: Driving Reassurance
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I wonder about a horse named "Joe" and the ability for Joe to decipher "whoa" and Joe. He may have had some bad experience there. Jean PS, the desire to bail out on the first rides seems pretty common. Not so bad with a mini, tho. Author 'The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520
Re: driving
This message is from: M Korose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Warren You sound like a very careful and considerate driver, also knowlegable. It seems that you are going above and beyond in your training methods and being very through. I might think that your heart and mind are a bit worried tho. While I think a driver should always have cautions in mind, take every care, watch ahead, be psychic you should also have fun. If you have a positive, definite attitude when you are driving, it will translate to your horses. I hope that mine sure don't know that I only weigh 10% of their weight (sans carriage) and they think I am 10 feet tall and in control. Make sure your confidence shines thru as I am POSITIVE that our mindset is felt by the horse(s) riding and driving. (ALL - remember the previous threads on visualizing while riding? It works while driving too). Marsha in VA where we are going to visualize doing great in our last CDE of the year - end of Oct
Re: Driving safety ( long )
This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Regarding safety at shows, I have not been to a show where a near miss hasn't taken place. There is always someone either inexperienced/thoughtless/ careless/ couldn't give a care about those around doing something that could put others or themselves at risk. If you keep your eyes open you can see much. I was just at a county fair, there were horses at the gate that had no reason to be there, the horses that were in the class are all that needs to be in that area. There are people on foot crowding the gate being oblivious to the horses coming up to enter ( duh ). There was a guy ( I have a better word ) running through the crow of horses/people to the gate on a horse he had little control of (IMO ), due to his lack of awarness to the time of his class. The horse I went to treat was left with no lead rope and barely a halter standing in the crowd of horses at the gate. Had she spooked I shutter to think what could have come of it (knowing the horse and owner I took control of it). Strollers all over the place where horses could easily have spooked or the rider could have lost it. Not all the world has horse sense, or for that matter "the sense that God gave them". Sometimes in all the activity of a show/fair there is brain loss for lack of a better term. I know I have done stupid things and thank God lived to tell the story. I do think that all that can be done within the constraints of the BE show area are being done. I am sure there are things that were not for seen. I would concider talking to the fair board regarding the parking area being roped off for hitching/ warming up area. I would also think in terms of starting the show on Sunday noon rather than Monday so the crowding issue with the fair parking might be less of an issue. The show has grown each and every year which is a great thing!! Those that put it on and are so involved do the best they can within the space available. As the hitches get bigger maybe the show needs to be spread out a bit. All in all IMO I feel it is a good show and this from a novice who really hates to show ( my daughter likes it ), I don't care what anyone thinks I'm to old to be trying to impress anyone. I'm impressed I can still get up in the saddle of my 15.3 QH without a mounting block : )) I would hate to see BE moved, it wouldn't be BE. I would think that those that don't like the crowded area should pick a smaller arena to show in or come up with some solutions and get involved. I do agree with someone that there may just be room for another Midwest show : )) Wouldn't that bee fun?? more reasons to get together and play horsie, works for me : )) Roberta
Re: Driving Mare for Sale with Colt
This message is from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How sad. What a terrible time you are having and what a sacrifice you must make. I wish I could help but...I have nothing to offer but hope and positive thinking. You and your Fjord family will remain in my thoughts. Good Luck, Carole> This message is from: "dfle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I have a very nice dark dun mare (Jardis) about 7 years old (registered > Canadian but can be registered NFHR. She is broke to drive single and > double. She has a four month stud colt at her side. I need to sell her > to pay vet bills on another horse. > > Her team mate has Infarctive purpura hemorrhagica. A very rare disease > that attacts the immune system. I have been treating her for a month > and we still don't know if she will live. My local "Country Vet" has > spent weeks with her two and three times a day. We have given her over > 100 shots and now she is on 80-90 pills a day. He has been more than > fair about his charges, but they are a lot so I must sell something to > get him paid. > > Jardis is a wonderful mare and would do well for anyone. > > Thanks! > > Rosemary Fleharty > Shome Fjords > Prairie Home, MO 65068 > 660-841-9502 > > > > > > Sent via the WebMail system at cmnt1.c-magic.com
Re: Driving Forum and Calendar
This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ann, Thank you I am better now. So glad the storm is over! Lisa Wiley Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose Corresponding Secretary FASTeam http://www.myturnabout.com
Re: Driving Forum and Calendar
This message is from: "Ed Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Lisa, so sorry to hear of your troubles. We are in North Guilford. Hope you're feeling better soon. Ann - Original Message - From: Lisa Wiley Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:37 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Driving Forum and Calendar This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ann, Where do you live? I live in Bethany. I wanted to go to the forum but had surgery the week before and wouldn't have made it. The conditions are very bad. My husband said it took two hours to get from Bridgeport to Shelton He called me from Shelton over an hour ago and still isn't home yet. Lisa Wiley Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose Corresponding Secretary FASTeam http://www.myturnabout.com
Re: Driving Forum and Calendar
This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ann, Where do you live? I live in Bethany. I wanted to go to the forum but had surgery the week before and wouldn't have made it. The conditions are very bad. My husband said it took two hours to get from Bridgeport to Shelton. He called me from Shelton over an hour ago and still isn't home yet. Lisa Wiley Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose Corresponding Secretary FASTeam http://www.myturnabout.com
re: driving bridles
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from: "Katherine Carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think the reason our fjords need the longer browbands is that their skulls don't narrow much from their eyes to their ears. -Kathy in Maine This is one thing that makes Fjords so cute! The wider head and sweet eyes make them look like babies their whole life, and everyone loves baby animals! -- Genie Dethloff and Finne Ann Arbor, Michigan
re: driving bridles
This message is from: "Katherine Carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think the reason our fjords need the longer browbands is that their skulls don't narrow much from their eyes to their ears. If you look at other horse's heads, even big horses seem to have skulls that narrow considerably as they go up from the width at the eyes to the width at the ears -- thus they can fit into those skimpy browbands. Fjord heads are much wider at the base of the ears --- just goes to show that they have more space for their brains! -Kathy in Maine
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Re: driving bridles on Fjords
This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Amy, Thanks I am getting ready to order a regular bridle for my new mare. The only place our bridles don't fit is the brow band. Now I know how big to have it made. Lisa Wiley Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose http://www.angelfire.com/ar3/ponieswithpurposeinc/ http://www.geocities.com/summerct/horses.html http://www.geocities.com/summerct/Turnabout.html
Re: driving bridles on Fjords
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/17/2005 7:46:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Right now I have the rosettes off so that the browband won't pinch the ears (badly). Browbands do seem to be a bit small on most any bridles. Getting custom brow bands seemed to make all the difference in the world on fit. I think most band are around 16 inches... I ordered mine 18" and have no problems with bridle fit. Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Redmond, OR [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Driving Trade Show - THE DRIVING FORUM - Sturbridge, MA
This message is from: "Carol Riviore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Everybody from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia -- On March 5th & 6th in Sturbridge, MA, the first annual DRIVING FORUM - A trade show for carriage/driving enthusiasts will be held at the Publick Inn in Sturbridge. -- Arthur and I, and our Stable Manager, Jaimie Benoit, are going down to exhibit. -- It's going to be a great weekend with lots of exhibitors and educational lectures on driving topics. -- At this time, there are three Fjord exhibitors listed - The Northeast Fjord Association . . . . Cheryl Beillard of Wake Robin Farm in Ontario exhibiting her Swedish Marathon Carriages . . . . an Beaver Dam Farm exhibiting our NOVA SCOTIA DRIVE/RIDE VACATIONS. -- There's a banquet Saturday night with still some tickets available. The Publick Inn is a wonderful, old rambling, historical inn of great charm. -- If you are anywhere in the N.E., NY, CT, NJ area, it would be well worth your while to spend the weekend at the DRIVING FORUM TRADE SHOW in Sturbridge, MA. Take a look at the Driving Forum website www.drivingforum.com Best Regards, Carol Rivoire http://www.beaverdamfarm.com Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet, Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 Tel:(902) 386-2304 Fax:(902) 386-2149 Carole Rivoire, author of THE FJORDHORSE HANDBOOK, only book in English on the Fjord breed, available from Beaver Dam Farm, $36.95 US includes P&H
RE: Driving harness
This message is from: "Carole Cox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Jean! You remain an inspiration to us all! Always have some good info! What do you do with your Fjords during this season? We think it is bad here with 3degrees F @ night. Sunny and high teens, low 20's now -depending on which thermometer you want to believe. I just checked on my little Haflinger girls and they are "bored" staying in all the time (only because they are new on this farm -that will change as they adjust and weather permits). I am going to try some of the other list members' suggestions such as apple bobbing to keep them occupied. Do you have an indoor riding/driving space? Thanks! Carole in Northern WV BA, BS, EMT-B A+, Network+, CIW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jean Ernest Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 1:38 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: RE: Driving harness This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I would encourage everybody interested in driving to get Barb Lee's little book "Understanding Harness" I think it costs $15.Contact Barb at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to order one. It is well worth it! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, clear and cold, -30F Warming and snow predicted tonight! Merry Christmas! >I think your point about pulling uphill is a very good one. The newer >harness can be lighter, prettier therefore replacing the aesthetic need >for pleasure harness. > >Thanks for your answer! I think this can be an interesting discussion >with a right answer only being in your own use!
RE: Driving harness
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I would encourage everybody interested in driving to get Barb Lee's little book "Understanding Harness" I think it costs $15.Contact Barb at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to order one. It is well worth it! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, clear and cold, -30F Warming and snow predicted tonight! Merry Christmas! >I think your point about pulling uphill is a very good one. The newer >harness can be lighter, prettier therefore replacing the aesthetic need >for pleasure harness. > >Thanks for your answer! I think this can be an interesting discussion >with a right answer only being in your own use!
RE: Driving harness
This message is from: "Carole Cox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think your point about pulling uphill is a very good one. The newer harness can be lighter, prettier therefore replacing the aesthetic need for pleasure harness. Thanks for your answer! I think this can be an interesting discussion with a right answer only being in your own use! Merry Christmas to the entire list. I love these discussions and really look forward to them. I learn so much and feel as though I have made some new friends. I still don't own a Fjord and am still desperately seeking a better job so that I can one day afford one. Currently, I am wintering and training two Haflingers. One is not yet a year and the other will be two in April. As some of you might remember, I was considering taking an older brood mare as well but the owners found a good home for her so it wasn't necessary. The weaning Haflinger is as big as the one approaching two and will be a real beauty as a fairly blond girl. The older is a beauty as well with a dark red coat -she will just not be as tall. They both have the almost white manes and tails. The younger had a very famous mommy -born in Austria and shown internationally -"Dorina". She was also the "poster girl" one year for the NHR and has a pin with her head on it. I had the pleasure of driving her once and even at eighteen is a perfect girl. Even as a weanling her daughter has good manners and sense. The story is, I will be able to pick between the two and keep one for the trouble of boarding/training them. How will I ever pick I hope to visit my first Fjord Farm soon. Star Sky is fairly close and perhaps I can even see Malcom Geist before he is sold. Anyway, thanks to all of you for your great exchanges and support. Happy Holidays! Carole BA, BS, EMT-B A+, Network+, CIW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Wiley Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 10:02 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Driving harness This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carole, I use a light weight beta harness with collar and hames. It does not look like the typical draft harness. I drive a meadowbrook cart. My pony does very well in this type of harness. I find that they pull better especially up hills. Lisa Wiley Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose http://www.angelfire.com/ar3/ponieswithpurposeinc/ http://www.geocities.com/summerct/horses.html http://www.geocities.com/summerct/Turnabout.html
RE: driving harness
This message is from: Cynthia Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lisa, I have driven Tank for years in a breast collar. However, at a Jeff Morse Clinic he recommended I try him in collar and hames due to the way his neck meets his chest. I finally did get a set and he is obviously happier in the collar. Unfortunately now I am waiting for the hames to be adjusted wider to fit him better. I think it depends on how your horse is built when choosing breast collar or over neck collar. My preference with my road cart is for a breast collar but if Tank needs collar and hames to move more freely and be more comfortable, so be it. Some vehciles are traditionally used with either breast or neck collar. That may also make a difference in your choice. = Cynthia Madden Las Cruces, NM [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/cmadden88011 ZCDC FJORD HORSE/DRIVING HORSE CHRISTMAS ORNAMENTS! http://www.geocities.com/zcdc_nm Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com
Re: Driving harness
This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carole, I use a light weight beta harness with collar and hames. It does not look like the typical draft harness. I drive a meadowbrook cart. My pony does very well in this type of harness. I find that they pull better especially up hills. Lisa Wiley Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose http://www.angelfire.com/ar3/ponieswithpurposeinc/ http://www.geocities.com/summerct/horses.html http://www.geocities.com/summerct/Turnabout.html
RE: Driving harness
This message is from: "Carole Cox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think that the choice of harness largely depends on what you are pulling. Without collar and hames, you have a "pleasure harness" more suitable to a cart or carriage. If you are pulling heavier apparatus such as a wagon or farm appliances, a hames and collar type would be the correct choice. The hames and collar are more universal. I have seen Haflingers shown on cart with a show type collar and hames. If you are to show, check the restrictions of that group. I love to look at old pictures of horses in everyday use. As a firefighter, I was particularly interested in the ones pulling fire apparatus. I was surprised at how light the harness was! Perhaps for speed... I'm looking forward to what the more experienced folks on the list have to say about all this! Carole in Northern WV No snow, going to single digits tonight then back into the forties for the next week. BA, BS, EMT-B A+, Network+, CIW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carol J. Makosky Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 12:32 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Driving harness This message is from: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lisa Wiley wrote: >This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >I have noticed in most of the pictures of Fjords driving that people don't use >collars. I like to drive with a collar and hames. Does anyone use this type >of harness? > > > Hi Lisa, Most of the Fjord drivers that I know in my area use the collar and hames. In fact if I were to buy another harness for my Fjord I would go with that. -- Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin
Re: Driving harness
This message is from: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lisa Wiley wrote: This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have noticed in most of the pictures of Fjords driving that people don't use collars. I like to drive with a collar and hames. Does anyone use this type of harness? Hi Lisa, Most of the Fjord drivers that I know in my area use the collar and hames. In fact if I were to buy another harness for my Fjord I would go with that. -- Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin
Re: driving equipment for sale for Fjords
This message is from: "Pat Holland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List - I just returned from a clients home to pick up a horse and she has a great deal of driving equipment for sale. I believe there were close to 9 sets of Smuckers Harness - some collar some breast plate. Some were used but well cared for others almost new. Most of them are of the high end quality. She also has a four wheel Wagonet - navy blue with tan trim, a Meadowbrook cart and an antique Doctors Buggy in perfect shape. She also has one or two breaking carts I think some horse driven farm machinery and a forecart. Most of which was very little used. All of the equipment was bought for Fjords and used on them. Everything is in central Illinois Contact me privatly. Pat Holland
RE: driving alone
This message is from: "Frederick J. Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Brigid and group, Oh yes, I am normally a big friendly guy. I believe in trusting everyone until I have reason to doubt. My word is my bond and I'm the worst liar in the world...so I don't try. But, when crossed, friendlyfred can turn into fearsome Fred. It takes a lot to get my dander up. Maybe that's why I love Fjords. They are even tempered and slow to respond to irritation. Out here in the boonies, a pistol/gun is nothing more than a tool. No different than a hammer or a screwdriver. All of these can harm OR they can fix something. When you have a cougar, coyote, or bear stalking you or your animals...a hammer or screwdriver won't do you much good. When you have a rapist breaking into your house, a hammer or screwdriver might save your life. It all depends on how a tool is used. If you have a gun, and KNOW how to use it, that rapist may never harm another woman. As Minnesota State Police Pistol Champion, I haven't shot myself in the foot yet..except verbally. My favorite Fjord doesn't even blink when I shoot a coyote from horseback. She just wants to go investigate what "daddy" was shooting at. In the city, you have a lot of two legged coyoteswhich can be much more dangerous. I think we'll stay out here in the boondocks where we only have to put up with the four legged kind. Nobody even blinks at you when you ride by with a BIG 44 Magnum strapped to your hip. It is accepted as a useful tool. Nothing more... Yes, you can picture a big friendly guy...mounted on his favorite Fjordblowing smoke from the barrel. He just used a tool.PROPERLY. Right now, I am fatiguedfred.we have two mares overdue. Fred All Mail is scanned in AND out by Norton Anti-virus 2003. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, Washington 98396 http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/3158
Re: Driving arena size
This message is from: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > This message is from: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > My indoor is 72' x 120' and I wish it was longer. I think 60' is too > narrow to do much. Especially driving. > > Mark Ours is 70x152' and it is adequate, from a small single to a 14' wagon, 3-abreast hitch. Ruthie, NW MT
Re: Driving arena size
This message is from: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My indoor is 72' x 120' and I wish it was longer. I think 60' is too narrow to do much. Especially driving. Mark Mariposa Farm Warren Stockwell wrote: This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Folks, Here's the problem Looking at buying a 20 acre already up and running horse boarding and training facility. The isssue is that the indoor arena is 60x130 in size, is it possiable or safe to use as a driving arena for the training cart size viehicle for english pleasure horse? This would be a morgan/Saddle bred/Fjord. Thanks for the input Roberta New Prague MN
Re: driving alone
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Happy birthday Taffy!!! A lot of people born in the month of April. ME the 16th. Milestone 70 Tillie Dun Lookin' Fjords Bud,Tillie & Amy Evers Redmond OR (541) 548-6018 http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589
Re: driving alone
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/27/2004 12:09:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't forget your PPKS or 38 caliber featherweight. Fits nicely in an ankle holster. LOL. Fred, I always chuckle when I read your gun references next to your email "friendlyfred" :-) I picture a guy riding a Fjord blowing the smoke off a pistol. Guess if I lived in the country I'd appreciate firearms, but here in the city it seems folks can only shoot each other or their feet when they are drunk. / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA www.Brigid.Clickryder.com
Re: Driving arena size
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "Roberta/Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Looking at buying a 20 acre already up and running horse > boarding and training facility. > The isssue is that the indoor arena is 60x130 in size, is it possiable or > safe to use as a driving arena for the training cart size viehicle for > english pleasure horse? This would be a morgan/Saddle bred/Fjord. When we lived in California, I had an outdoor arena that was 60x130 (with rounded ends---and it took 3 days of bulldozing to carve out that much "flat" space, on our steeply sloped property). It was barely big enough in which to drive my 11.2hh donkey. We did a few riding lessons there with our Fjords---walk/trot, only, as it was rather cramped for them. I would consider that size of arena to be too small to do much driving with full-sized horses---you'll spend too much time turning. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
RE: driving alone
This message is from: "Frederick J. Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Don't forget your PPKS or 38 caliber featherweight. Fits nicely in an ankle holster. Fred All Mail is scanned in AND out by Norton Anti-virus 2003. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, Washington 98396 http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/3158 This message is from: "The Mercers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, When riding or driving I strap my Cashel Ankle Safe on. It holds my cell phone and has pockets to keep ID or whatever and even has a slot for a flashlight. It's so comfortable I forget it's even there. If I'm ever separated from the horse/cart I'll have a cell phone, whistle, mini leatherman, bandaids and ID on me. Taffy Mercer (53 years young today!) In VERY windy eastern Washington
RE: driving alone
This message is from: "The Mercers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, When riding or driving I strap my Cashel Ankle Safe on. It holds my cell phone and has pockets to keep ID or whatever and even has a slot for a flashlight. It's so comfortable I forget it's even there. If I'm ever separated from the horse/cart I'll have a cell phone, whistle, mini leatherman, bandaids and ID on me. Taffy Mercer (53 years young today!) In VERY windy eastern Washington
Re: driving alone
This message is from: "sandra church" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Congratulations Ellen! Where was the competition? I obviously live on the wrong side of the James River because I missed hearing about that show! Are you going to the Equine Extravaganza this weekend in Richmond? Curt Pierce & (I assume) Marsha are going to be there with fjords so I'm trying my best to attend. It'll be wonderful to see fjords represented in Virginia for a change...everything seems to happen up north or out west! Everyone is invited to attend the extravaganza which is April 30-May 2 at the old Richmond fairgrounds-now the site of car racing -in Henrico County. Sandra in Va. Security.
Re: driving alone
This message is from: "Karl & Jerrie Froelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> And when the cart tips over DON'T LET GO OF THE REINS! This happened to me recently, and by the time the birds finished swirling around my head, the horse was disapearing around the bend dragging the cart on it's side. Fortunately neither the horse nor cart was damaged too badly (horse not at all), but it could have been very bad indeed. Silly me, I dropped the reins to break my fall - if I'd taken the lumps and held on it would have been better all around. - Original Message - From: "Cynthia Madden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FH-L" Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 7:23 AM Subject: RE: driving alone This message is from: Cynthia Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have been catching up on my fjord horse list since Friday and I see no one has responded to your inquiries regarding driving alone. I do so frequently and here are few tips I have learned. I enjoy hitching up and driving out - just Tank and me. It is so soothing on a beautiful morning. 1. ALWAYS CARRY A CELL PHONE ON YOUR PERSON so you can call for help if you need it. Do not attach it to your vehicle, it could run away from you and then where would you be. 2. Use a halter under your bridle and run the cheek piece through the halter to make sure the bridle cannot come off. (I started doing this when Tank once shook off his bridle while we were walking down a desert road). Carry a lead rope with you in case you need to unhitch and lead the horse back. 3. Have a spares kit on you. ADS has a list of suggeted spares kit items for quick harness and cart repair. 4. If you are at a barn, let people know where you plan to drive and approximate time you expect to get back. 5. If you are not carrying a driving whip, do so. It is an essential safety item. (to keep the horse from backing up when dangerous, etc. and for nasty dogs.) Enjoy your solo driving! Cynthia Madden Las Cruces, NM [EMAIL PROTECTED] (messages received on Saturday or Sunday can not be responded to until Monday)
RE: driving alone
This message is from: Cynthia Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have been catching up on my fjord horse list since Friday and I see no one has responded to your inquiries regarding driving alone. I do so frequently and here are few tips I have learned. I enjoy hitching up and driving out - just Tank and me. It is so soothing on a beautiful morning. 1. ALWAYS CARRY A CELL PHONE ON YOUR PERSON so you can call for help if you need it. Do not attach it to your vehicle, it could run away from you and then where would you be. 2. Use a halter under your bridle and run the cheek piece through the halter to make sure the bridle cannot come off. (I started doing this when Tank once shook off his bridle while we were walking down a desert road). Carry a lead rope with you in case you need to unhitch and lead the horse back. 3. Have a spares kit on you. ADS has a list of suggeted spares kit items for quick harness and cart repair. 4. If you are at a barn, let people know where you plan to drive and approximate time you expect to get back. 5. If you are not carrying a driving whip, do so. It is an essential safety item. (to keep the horse from backing up when dangerous, etc. and for nasty dogs.) Enjoy your solo driving! Cynthia Madden Las Cruces, NM [EMAIL PROTECTED] (messages received on Saturday or Sunday can not be responded to until Monday)
Re: Driving on pavement
This message is from: "Joe Glick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Taffy Mercer, I drive an average of 100 miles a month on paved road. Now the 100 mile average is usually split up between 3 or 4 horses, but I have driven a pair 45 miles in one day and driven one horse 65 miles over the course of one week. I have never used any kind of splint boot or leg protection except in a case where the horse hits his own legs with his feet, then I put on ankle boots. But that is usually a case of poor farrier work that causes that to happen. The only time I ever had a lame horse was right after I had new shoes put on them. There again I blamed it on poor farrier work, (ie. trimed too short or poor balancing of the hoof). The key to successful driving on pavement is finding a good farrier. I'm very picky when it comes to choosing a farrier. Another thing is NEVER allow a horse to run fast down hill. It puts a tremendous amount of shock on the front legs and will eventually ruin them. My father-in-law always made his horses walk down hill but you can get away with a slow trot. If you want more info, feel free to email me. Joe Glick Glick Family Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Driving on pavement
This message is from: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The Mercers wrote: My question is - when you folks are driving on pavement do you use splint boots or some sort of protection for the horses feet/legs? A lot of my driving will be on the pavement and some of the roads around here also are of larger rock rather than smooth gravel. -- Hi, I do most of my driving on asphalt and have shoes on all feet. I guess if you are really worried about the pounding, you can have pads put under the shoes. Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin
Re: Driving Training at Creighs
This message is from: Vivian Creigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For those of you interested in Combined Driving, that is what we will focus on in our weekends of driving. Although I live in a beautiful spot with fabulous views they will have to speak for themselves as time doesn't allow me to offer the same amenities that Carol and Arthur do in their equally fabulous location in Nova Scotia. I can, I promise, help you get ready for your first event or polish your performance for your next event. I have over a decades worth of experience competing Fjords at the top venues on the east coast as well as holding a ADS judges card in Combined Driving and Driven Dressage. I believe it is my successful experience as a competitor that make me a very effective teacher. Also being a judge allows me to view things from both perspectives. Not to mention the fact that I believe the Fjord to be ideally suited to the sport of Combined Driving. We will cover everything from what you need to pack before you leave home. How to drive a dressage test, how to properly condition your horse/pony for the marathon and what to do in the vet box before and after section E. How to walk hazards, how to walk cones. When it is appropriate to ask questions and to whom you should direct them while at the event. Tentative schedule, for maximum of 8 participants and their grooms NOTE* Four slots have been filled. Arrive 12PM Thursday, get settled etc. 3PM Meet together to discuss packing, cleaning, storing stuff and how to get ready to go. Also how to properly present for vet check and jogging the pony. Friday 8AM Private 1 hour dressage lessons. 12PM Break for Lunch 1PM Continue lessons Saturday 9AM to 11AM Hazards, How to walk them, how to memorize them, how to drive them. 1PM to 5PM Hitched in groups of four. We will practice driving the hazards, check out different routes and work on improving time. Sunday 9AM Hitched in groups of 4 we will drive cones. For more information costs etc please contact me at e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call 802 885 5762
Re: Driving Instructor Needed
This message is from: bolinsj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Robyn, Since I am still learning myself and really bemoaning the loss of my OWN driving instructor, I don't know what to suggest. She moved to Harrisburg PA. That's not to far for the occasional refresher, but I don't like to haul the horse back and forth that far regularly. (3 hour) I KNOW there are instructors around here. Let me see what I can dig up. Most of the folks I drive with now are in lower DE. Would that be too far? I am sure that there are instructors that are part of the Brandywine Driving Club around the Chadds Ford PA area. I'll see if I can find some names. Martie in MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a equine student who would like to learn the proper way to drive. She loves the fjords and actually will be providing Frodo with his retirement home when ready. She is dependable, intelligent and very hard working. As we are in Northeastern MD - she would like to stay within a reasonable drive time say 50 miles. She is 16 and homeschooled so daytime is not a problem. Any and all suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Martie, would you like a student? Thanks, Robyn in MD where along with the warmer weather came the "snots" great
Re: Driving Emergency Stop?
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, Some years ago, Old Bjarne ran away with me, jumping an arena gate (wood, thank heavens, the cart crashed through) and I didn't know much about driving but soon decided that hauling back on both reins wasn't working, as we headed down the road with Bjarne chin to his chest leaning on the bit. I dropped one rein and got low in the basket of the meadowbrook type cart and hauled on one rein hauling his head around to the side. Bjarne kept going for a bit with his head turned to the side, but had slowed down. I then sort of turned him into a clump of small trees where he stopped. We were only about 100 yards from the intersection with the busy highway when I got him stopped. What I learned later was that Bjarne had been in pulling contests and leaning on the bit just helped him pull! But it did work to turn his head to the side as you would when riding. I also learned that he had been in some crashes, had been abused in the pulling stuff and I never tried driving him again! He's a great trail horse, tho. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, warmer tomorrow, maybe +30. > >When riding I know you can turn the horse's head to your knee and make >an emergency stop. Is there anything like that utilized while driving? >What do you do if your horse starts to run and does not respond to the >bit? > >Lisa Schieler in Tremont, IL >Spring is finally here!!! > Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Driving Clinic Update
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MARK...you are just tooo funny!!! Linda in MN
Re: Driving Clinic Update
This message is from: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sherrie Dayton wrote: > > > " Howdy " from Sunwood Fjords and Carriage Co. > Plans are moving right along for the Driving Clinic to be held here on July > 6th. In the last post we neglected to include our address. For those of you > who don't know where we are lactated: Lactated Too funny. Maybe you're located on the milk route. Mark
Re: Driving Clinic
This message is from: "Deb Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Where are you located?? Debi Williams Williams Hill Fjords Waterford, Pa Subject: Driving Clinic
RE: Driving Clinic
This message is from: "The Mercers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Ron & Sherry, I'd be interested in attending. I only have a single driving horse but who knows, maybe in the future I'll have a team! Taffy Mercer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherrie Dayton Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:36 PM To: Fjord List Subject: Driving Clinic This message is from: "Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy Folks, We had our first meeting for the 17th Annual International Fjord Horse Show last week. Some of the folks thought It would be good to have a clinic during the year to help some of us get prepared for the show and for our own pleasure. We all want a safe situation working with our fine horses, and I think a clinic would be a real bonus for us. So, I am going to try to get this together early so we can get plenty of members on board. I have Brian Jensen lined up to do the clinic. We have not picked a date as yet until we know how many folks can attend and the best dates for them. Sometime in late spring is what we thought, say late June or ? Let us know either by snail mail or E-mail if you may be interested. The clinic will focus on taking a pair of horses that have done a fair amount of driving single and pairing them up. There will be some class room and some in the arena. More details will be available as we get this better organized. We just need a count on those who would join us at our place or at a nearby arena. One day clinic of about 4 to 5 hours. The cost will be in the range of $25. with a pot luck and some other fun to follow. Thanks for you time, as always, "Happy Trails"Ron Dayton
Re: Driving me nuts!
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To the new member "looking desperately for a fjord". How about a "rescue" fjord? Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA Author:The Colonel's Daughter $20 PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: Driving me nuts!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/19/2002 2:32:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Alas.as much as I try, I have yet the means or the location to get my > first Fjord. I'm growing quite impatient and my distaste for the desert > grows even faster. Arizona is for golfers - not Fjords. > Look harder! I found my best horse in New Mexico! And I've heard of other fjords in Arizona also. Check out Los Trigos in Rowe, NM. They may or may not have some for sale now, but if they do, you will be getting a wonderful animal! :) Pamela http://hometown.aol.com/northhorse/index.html";>Northern Holiday Horses
Re: Driving me nuts!
This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gretchen, check to see if you have any driving clubs in your area. I searched the internet for this if no luck email me privately with your area info and I will have my husband do a search for you. I am pretty computer challenged, most of the really good stuff comes from his effort. We have a club here in MN called whips and wheels and they are very helpful. Roberta - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 9:03 PM Subject: Driving me nuts! > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Alas.as much as I try, I have yet the means or the location to get my > first Fjord. I'm growing quite impatient and my distaste for the desert > grows even faster. Arizona is for golfers - not Fjords. > > In the mean time, I'm learning all I can about this great breed. To Deb's > comment - yes, it's great to see you Fjord owners out there promoting these > great horses - afterall, that's how I first found out about them! Hopefully > it'll continue to be a growing interest for many more horse folk (although > honestly, I hope it doesn't get too huge!) > > While I'm new to the Fjord, I'm certainly not new to horses. I've done just > about everything imaginable but currently pursue reining, pleasure, and > starting those young ones! Can't say I'm into that showy stuff anymore - I'm > mainly all about a utilitarian horseso having an animal do it all is very > important to my program. > Unfortunately, I lack in that "do it all" department - not the horse. While > I've studied, taken some lessons and have read a few books, I'm still trying > to get more information about the art of DRIVING. Does anyone have any > videos, books, or any helpful information pertaining to driving Fjords?? > Thanks in advance! > Gretchen Karlson > http://hometown.aol.com/fjordlove/myhomepage/index.html";>Karlson Equestrian Portraiture
Re: driving whips
This message is from: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/11/02 8:01:05 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I need to buy a driving whip. There are so many types and places to buy them. Can someone point me in the right direction? >> Hi Taffy You will find Bee Burr whips at ultralitewhips.homestead.com Thank you for the driving whip site. I've been wanting a much lighter one for a reasonable price and am not going to wait for Christmas to get mine. Carol M.
Re: driving whips
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/11/02 8:01:05 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I need to buy a driving whip. There are so many types and places to buy them. Can someone point me in the right direction? >> Hi Taffy You will find Bee Burr whips at ultralitewhips.homestead.com The whips are very light and not to expensive and she even has the correct way to measure for a whip on the site. I really like mine and have told both my husband and daughter I want another one for Christmas. Sue Sue Clark-Sorger Crown Oak Fjords Sandia Park NM
Re: Driving Arena
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Marsha, We should have known you would know these things. And what about > the size for polo? :) Arena polo is something like 60x120 meters. (Our local carriage club used to set up the dressage arena for CDEs in the Horse Park's winter polo arena.) Sorry, no experience with field polo, other than driving around on one field, once. HUGE!!! Particularly when one is driving an 11.2hh donkey who is so nervous that she "can't" move faster than the "frightened mouse creep". ;-) Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
Re: Driving Arena
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Marsha, We should have known you would know these things. And what about the size for polo? :) >> Maybe play polo too?> >I can attest that 60' x 130' is too small for anything but a mini or >small pony. >Unless, of course, you're going Intermediate, Advanced, or FEI levels, >then it's 40x100 meters. Yeah, in my dreams Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Driving Arena
This message is from: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >I am going to put in a driving arena. What size do you suggest? > Ours is 150x200' and seems to be just right Gene even does figure-8's with the stagecoach in it. Ruthie, nw mt
Re: Driving Arena
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> quoted/wrote: > > And, how about a good, hardy grass that can survive in fine sandy loam > soils? [...] At least initially, we are going to try to do it in grass. > Maybe play polo too? Somewhere amongst all these packed books, I've got one on arenas. My recollection is that the secret for turf arenas is some sort of coarse, heavy plastic mesh that gets buried a half inch or so in the seed bed. That way, the roots all have something to cling to, and you don't get (as much) hoof pocking when the grass has just been watered. As for grass varieties, consult you local school playground or soccer field maintenance crew, to see what does well in your area. > >I am going to put in a driving arena. What size do you suggest? I can attest that 60' x 130' is too small for anything but a mini or small pony. When we lived in California, that was all the space we dared excavate to make a "level" spot, so I made do, driving my donkey in it. If you're likely to want to do driven dressage or combined driving events, the preferred arena is 40x80 METERS (131.25' x 262.5'). Unless, of course, you're going Intermediate, Advanced, or FEI levels, then it's 40x100 meters. Yeah, in my dreams Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
Re: Driving Arena
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> And, how about a good, hardy grass that can survive in fine sandy loam soils? We just cut down a bunch of fruit trees (sob!) today to FINALLY put one in. At least initially, we are going to try to do it in grass. Maybe play polo too? > >Morning everyone, > >I am going to put in a driving arena. What size do you suggest? > Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re;: driving clinic (foaling)
This message is from: "John & Eunice Bosomworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mary~ Won't help any to worry about your mare foaling.Mothers, mares, cows, sows, etc. have been giving birth for years. Might as well relax!!I'm always glad it is not me. :>) Hope you soon get to see a frolicking foal. Fjordally yours, Eunice ~~ John & Eunice Bosomworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Deere Country Fjords--- where visitors are always welcome! Ayton, Ontario, CANADA tel. 519-665-2303 ~~
Re: driving clinic
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Jan Do you have a foal yet? I keep expecting each day to see the birth posted on the list. Our mare is beginning to develop an udder. She sure is huge - looks like a pot bellied pig! I am beginning to act like an anxious mother. I have been quite calm all winter, but as the time approaches, my worries are going up. Read your list advertisement of the driving clinic and have a few questions. If we bring both of our horses, what is the per day charge. We would only be driving one at a time. Also, if I wanted to trade off and let my husband take a turn at driving, would there be a separate charge for him? We had over an inch of rain yesterday and some marble sized hail. But, I guess we were lucky. Bedford city, about 1/2 hr away had a tornado or something akin to one hit the downtown area. Hope all is well with you, your family and of course, horses. Mary Harvey
Re: Driving whips
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sue, great to hear Keswick is doing so well, adapting!! Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
RE: Driving clinic with Olaf Nyby?
This message is from: "Dagrun Aarsten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Lori, I was looking through some old emails and I found this one that I hadn't seen before! What a wonderful website you have - great pictures, from the clinic, from your farm, and of your horses! And designing and building your own farm - what a dream! Maybe in 20 years from now I'll do the same... Or any of you know a nice, rich (male) unmarried fjord fan who wouldn't mind moving to Norway? That would speed things up a little...:-) Dagrun -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lori Albrough Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 3:14 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Driving clinic with Olaf Nyby? This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dagrun Aarsten wrote: > Hi folks, > > I heard that Olaf Nyby from Norway recently held a driving clinic somewhere > in the US, and that there were Fjords participating. Any of you listers? Hi Dagrun: We also attended a clinic with Olaf Nyby which was held in May of this year near Ottawa, Ontario Canada. I have posted some pictures of me and my mare Cindy in the clinic, also a photo of the stallion Felix and some other clinic photos on our web-site at http://www.bluebirdlane.com/nyby.html We greatly enjoyed and benefitted from the clinic. In response to your sensitive horse inquiry, there was one very sensitive yet talented welsh pony at the clinic. Olaf felt the owner didn't push him (the pony) enough and hence wasn't really tapping into his abilities. The owner was in effect letting the ponies sensitivities back her off. We watched as Olaf drove the pony in lovely canter serpentines with flying changes across the center line. I was impressed with how well Olaf communicated with the pony, and he (pony) didn't seem at all over-taxed by this, but rather seemed to enjoy showing off. Lori Albrough Moorefield Ontario PS - Dagrun, I am really enjoying your posts about the horses you have known in Norway. Having met some of them, and seen offspring of others, it is most interesting to hear more about them.
Re: Driving clinic with Olaf Nyby?
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dagrun Aarsten wrote: > Hi folks, > > I heard that Olaf Nyby from Norway recently held a driving clinic somewhere > in the US, and that there were Fjords participating. Any of you listers? Hi Dagrun: We also attended a clinic with Olaf Nyby which was held in May of this year near Ottawa, Ontario Canada. I have posted some pictures of me and my mare Cindy in the clinic, also a photo of the stallion Felix and some other clinic photos on our web-site at http://www.bluebirdlane.com/nyby.html We greatly enjoyed and benefitted from the clinic. In response to your sensitive horse inquiry, there was one very sensitive yet talented welsh pony at the clinic. Olaf felt the owner didn't push him (the pony) enough and hence wasn't really tapping into his abilities. The owner was in effect letting the ponies sensitivities back her off. We watched as Olaf drove the pony in lovely canter serpentines with flying changes across the center line. I was impressed with how well Olaf communicated with the pony, and he (pony) didn't seem at all over-taxed by this, but rather seemed to enjoy showing off. Lori Albrough Moorefield Ontario PS - Dagrun, I am really enjoying your posts about the horses you have known in Norway. Having met some of them, and seen offspring of others, it is most interesting to hear more about them.
Re: driving club meet
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/19/01 5:10:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I think that I shall get a little yellow ducky to present to the one party at our next meeting for enduring the downpour and having a good time. And wouldn't you know it today is dry and nice and sunny. >> LOL Carol! Sounds like you made the best of an unpredictable situation and had a good weekend after all. At least no one commented about the pig pen : ) We have a driving club here, but so far I have not been able to make it to a meet. Looking forward to it eventually! Brigid M Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html";>Our http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html";>Fjords / )__~ /L /L
Re: Driving calender
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoted/wrote: > > > There is a pair of Arab/Fjord crossbreds on the Mischka farms Driving > > Clendar, July picture. > > A big calender like Mischka Farms puts out should be a little more > sensitive about showing the horses to the best breed types. Why > couldnt they have put some of our major driving CDE players like > Vivian or Orville in there ? Im going to write them, with a " > whats up ? " Lisa I think that's a really silly idea. Driving prides itself on being the sport "for every equine". Doesn't matter if the pedigree "goes back to the sand", or is "dad came from a good neighborhood"---except in breed shows, judges don't care, and most of the people driving don't care. What matters is whether the equines are doing the job, and the people are having fun. Mischka Farms records ALL PHASES of driving (not just CDEs), as it is; they don't have an agenda, except to show how people enjoy their turnouts. They identify people, places, vehicles, and breeds, only because their customers are curious about such details. Send them a really good, artistic photo of Fjords doing their thing, and they'll probably use it. See their December calendar page Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
