slow feed nets
This message is from: Patricia Pasqual I have been using a Cinch Chic net for about a year now at the recommendation of a vet, and I can testify to the incredible sturdiness of this net. Elph does not care for the net too much, but he makes a bit of a game of it. I have a wall-mounted one, so it is easy for his caregive to put the hay in. Then Elph proceeds to take the net part with his (lips? teeth?) and flip it so it bangs against the wall and then sprinkles hay on the ground. Then he "grazes." He was pretty seriously overweight about a year ago - the barn I had moved him to just didn't get what an easy keeper he is, and were giving quite a bit of free choice hay in the paddock during the day. I finally convinced them that the other horse could get all the hay he wanted in his stall at night - but to PLEASE LIMIT what Elph was getting. That change, the slow feeder, feeding a grass ration balancer grain, and lots of exercise (and a variety of exercise - driving, riding, jumping, long-lining) has resulted in a substantially changed horse. He is extremely fit, has definition in his behind, no crestiness whatsoever, and nice neck definition. Hard work (for him and me!) but it feels like it is paying off. We will be competing in a Continuous Driving Event in mid-July at Steve Wood's place in Elk River, MN (our first!). I set up a 40x80 metre dressage arena to practice the dressage test - wow that is BIG! The free walk parts feel so long. Even though he is pretty fit we are now into 5 day a week driving training, as the marathon is about 3 miles, and I don't want him to be gassed and take a half an hour for dressage . . . and pulling a cart around is very, very different work from being ridden. Wish us luck! Tish and Elph in Minneapolis Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Feed for obese fjord
This message is from: Robin Churchill Hay here is anywhere from $12-16.50 or more for a 50-60 # bale of Timothy, T/A or orchard grass. I pay $40 for a 110-120 pound bale of straight western or canadian timothy. Today I paid $24 each for 2 bales of some kind of orchard grass probably about 70 lb. I guess it is because we are so far away from where the cool grass hay is grown. Local hay which is some kind of Bermuda either coastal, jiggs or tifton is anywhere from $8-10 for about a 40# bale but generally it is kind of dry and fine without much nutritional value or at least that's what we get. Sometimes early in the summer you can get some pretty nice local hay. Also if you are using a weight tape on your horse, I was always told they underestimate the weight by around 10%. Well, my 17 h warmblood weighs 1230 lb on the weight tape. I took him to UF last month for something and they actually weighed him--1470 pounds, so the weight tape underestimated him quite a bit more than 10%. I knew he weighed more than 1230 but I couldn't believe he almost weighed 1500 pounds because he is not at all fat. Robin in SW Florida where it is hot, humid and buggy already This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com And I thought hay was expensive here! Probably about the same right now at the feed store as yours, but was $350/ ton at the growers last summer or about $12.50/ 70 lb bale. . Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Feed for obese fjord
This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com How big is a flake? The size of the flakes differ from bale to bale here, but currently one average 73 lb. bale lasts 2 1/2 days for 3 fjords with old Stella getting 6 lbs senior feed/day as well as hay. I'd guess about 12 lbs hay each for the younger fjords. And I thought hay was expensive here! Probably about the same right now at the feed store as yours, but was $350/ ton at the growers last summer or about $12.50/ 70 lb bale. Heaven knows how much THIS summer! I feed grass (Brome) hay. BTW, How did you get her exact weight at 1078 lb? LOL Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, where "green-up" has started, hills turning green, but with a red flag fire warning! 60 degrees today! >I feed my 1078-pound fjord mare a flake of grass hay morning and > evening with 3 pounds of grass hay at noon. She also gets 45 minutes > of pasture late in the afternoon, 2 carrots, 1 apple, and a mineral > supplement. . > Caroline Warren > Chico, CA, where grass hay is $16.75/ 100#bale and temperatures are in > the 90s (YIKES!) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Feed for obese Fjord - allergy
This message is from: Kim Manzoni Well, I have an appt for my vet to come out on Wednesday for my Quarter Horse. He has been coughing for 3 weeks. At first I thought it was because it has been SO dry here. Then after it rained, he was still coughing. I put him on Farnam's Cough Free and it has gotten a little better but if I stick my ear in his nostril I can hear him wheezing. And when I ride him, his nostrils flare and he coughs. I am hoping that its just an allergy and not something scary bad (COPD, Congestive Heart Failure). But he isnt rubbing or anything else, so am not sure. Just a dang wheeze/dry cough. I feed them all grass hay and Blue Seal extruded pellets. Plus a pelleted supplement. For the obese Fjord, I would take her off of grain completely and give her a supplement so she gets the minerals she needs without the calories. For my one that isnt getting grain, he gets Blue Seal's Sunshine Plus. -Kim in Maryland (hoping that my QH Toby gets well soon and it isnt something scary bad). " I am now feeding good grass hay, vitamins and antihistamines. Per the vet, w e cut the cup of pellets and she banged her grain bucket for 3 days... poor Soph... He said she didn't need them, and the scratching seems to have let up. In Denver, so wasn't bugs, fungus etc. We checked. She only started scratching after shedding out. Knocked a panel loose by rubbing on it! Anyone else have summer allergies?" Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Feed for obese Fjord
This message is from: "kngould" I've taken lots of weight off my fjords by taking them off grain completely, feeding only grass hay (Orchard or Fescue) and giving just enough hay stretcher (hay pellets) at feeding time to mix any supplements in. (Usually about 2 measured cups each morning and night). Kim Kim Nord Castle Ladyhawke www.castleladyhawkeweddings.com 828 894-0466 -Original Message- From: fjo...@nwgamebirds.com Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:06 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Feed for obese Fjord This message is from: A friend just got a very obese 18 year old Fjord mare who has been standing around in a pasture for the past couple years. What feeding regimen do you folks that have had experience with this recommend? She's giving her light exercise but is afraid to do a lot because the mare is SO obese. Taffy in sunny eastern WA where we will begin baling 1st hay cutting tomorrow! Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Feed Recall!
This message is from: Gail Russell See below. Forwarded from another list. Gail Western Feed LLC is recalling 50-pound bags of horse feed with the Payback logo that may be contaminated with monensin sodium, aka Rumensin. They report some horses have died. Distributed December 2 to December 15 in Nebraska and Wyoming. The recalled lot numbers are M718430 and M720280. Pass this along to your friends, please. __._,_.___ Reply to sender<mailto:crfo...@twcny.rr.com?subject=Re%3A%20Feed%20Recall%21> | Reply to group<mailto:thehorsemo...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Feed%20Recall%21> | Reply via web post<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Thehorsemouth/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxZXVlYmh0BF 9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc2OTI4Mzg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MjkwOARtc2dJZAMxMzk4BHN lYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTMzMDk3MTQ4OA--?act=reply&messageNum=1398> | Start a New Topic<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Thehorsemouth/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmNjN0MXE4B F9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc2OTI4Mzg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MjkwOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsaw NudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMzA5NzE0ODg-> Messages in this topic<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Thehorsemouth/message/1398;_ylc=X3oDMTM1M mFqdG10BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc2OTI4Mzg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MjkwOARtc2dJZA MxMzk4BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTMzMDk3MTQ4OAR0cGNJZAMxMzk4> (1) Recent Activity: * New Members<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Thehorsemouth/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJnc2lx bTNpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc2OTI4Mzg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MjkwOARzZWMDdnRsB HNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzMwOTcxNDg4?o=6> 2 * New Photos<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Thehorsemouth/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJnZXAwdHN hBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc2OTI4Mzg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MjkwOARzZWMDdnRsBHNs awN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzMwOTcxNDg4> 2 * New Files<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Thehorsemouth/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJoZzRoYWlv BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc2OTI4Mzg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MjkwOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsa wN2ZmlsZXMEc3RpbWUDMTMzMDk3MTQ4OA--> 5 Visit Your Group<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Thehorsemouth;_ylc=X3oDMTJmbG1qc3JpBF9TAz k3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc2OTI4Mzg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MjkwOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2h wBHN0aW1lAzEzMzA5NzE0ODg-> [http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/yg/logo/us.gif]<http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDM TJlOXRsZDRzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzc2OTI4Mzg0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MjkwOARzZW MDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMzMDk3MTQ4OA--> Switch to: Text-Only<mailto:thehorsemouth-traditio...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20D elivery%20Format:%20Traditional>, Daily Digest<mailto:thehorsemouth-dig...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:% 20Digest> * Unsubscribe<mailto:thehorsemouth-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscr ibe> * Terms of Use<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . __,_._,___ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Feed a horse with little tooth ?
This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com Start feeding something like Nutrena Senior Life and maybe add some ground flax such as Omega Horse shine. I feed my two senior Fjords, 33 and 35 years old, about four lbs a day of Nutrena Senior life each, in two feedings with about 1/2 lb Omega horse shine, I feed it as a mash mainly because my mare will eat the pellets too fast and tends too choke, and old Bjarne will "process" dry pellets by taking a mouthfull and adding his saliva to it, spitting it out and eating it again ...so I "process" it for him by adding warm water, LOL. Stella had her teeth done a couple years ago, when she started "quidding" her hay and spitting it out. Bjarne had his teeth worked on too, but mainly just wasn't getting the nutrients from the hay so the Senior feed was necessary. It seems like that when both these fjords hit the age of 27-28, they just needed something more than just hay and ordinary feed: their aging bodies didn't absorb the nutrients like before, and they needed the added senior feed. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, where the sun sets today at 11:00 PM for 18 1/2 hours possible sunshine! (But cloudy right now) > > I had my QH teeth floated this spring as they were in severe need. My issue is > that he was eating hay much better than he is now and keeping weight on him is > pretty tough. I am not sure that the vet didn't get a bit over zealous and > over do things for such a old guy 27 now. Any one have any ideas? Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Feed a horse with little tooth ?
This message is from: Linda Lottie Roberta..supplement with senior feed or go totally to senior feed. There are also pelleted hays. My two older ones LOVED their senior food.. Linda in WI > From: afjordableac...@bevcomm.net > To: fjordres...@yahoogroups.com; fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Feed a horse with little tooth ? > Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 09:54:14 -0500 > > This message is from: "Stockwell" > > > Hi All, > > I had my QH teeth floated this spring as they were in severe need. My issue is > that he was eating hay much better than he is now and keeping weight on him is > pretty tough. I am not sure that the vet didn't get a bit over zealous and > over do things for such a old guy 27 now. Any one have any ideas? With this > funky weather we are having here in MN he has no coat and the temps are cold > and it is wet to boot. Keeping him in a stall for to long makes him very > agitated! he's the herd boss and can't do his job from a stall. His front > teeth are good and he is good on pasture but with the wet ground I can't keep > him on pasture full time I'm afraid he'll dig it up or get some digestive > upset with the rich spring grass. > > Thoughts suggestions maybe I've not thought of yet please jog my memory : ) > > To make this Fjord related Kaari and Gunnar are happy that J.R is not eating > as much hay so they get some of his portion, not that they need it : ) > > Roberta > MN > soggy wet and cold > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Live Camera Feed
This message is from: Kathleen Prince Thanks! It was quite an amazing event. The cam was set up just so I wouldn't sleep at the barn. Not knowing her due date made it crazy and the fact she showed none of the normal foaling signs. Since the site he used was public, people started finding the cam feed and got addicted to it. We had an average of 100 folks a night watching and chatting. There was a gal in Australia and another in Alaska. She'd make one slight move and everyone would freak out - it was crazy. -- Kathleen Prince kathl...@pookiebros.com Pookie Bros. Pet Sitting Professional Pet Care In Your Home! http://www.pookiebros.com On Mar 18, 2010, at 10:43 AM, Corinne Logan wrote: > This message is from: Corinne Logan > > > WOW Kathleen! > That was impressive. Thanks for sharing the info!! > > Corinne Logan > Willows Edge Farm > Bothell, WA > 425-402-6781 > www.willowsedgefarm.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Live Camera Feed
This message is from: Corinne Logan WOW Kathleen! That was impressive. Thanks for sharing the info!! Corinne Logan Willows Edge Farm Bothell, WA 425-402-6781 www.willowsedgefarm.com Blog:http://willowsedgefarm.blogspot.com/ > This message is from: Kathleen Prince > This is what we used: > The CassidyCam was live for two weeks in May of 2008 while we awaited > the birth of Rebecca Maye! It was on from about 7pm to 6am Eastern > Time every night until she was born. After that, we did live weekly > Kathleen Prince > kathl...@pookiebros.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
How much hay to feed
This message is from: "Rose or Murph" Hello list, As everyone pointed out, size and weights of flakes vary. I think every Fjords metabolism is different, along with activity levels. I don't over feed my mare, no matter how tempted I am to do so out of kindness. Here in the PNW we have some cold wet winters, and my girl maintained a great weight on 15-18 lbs of Timothy Hay in the dead of winter, along with about 2lbs of Alfalfa pellets, with a sprinkling of rolled barley. She also has access to pasture all winter, and does great At this time, she is on limited grass, and about 6 lbs of hay per day, with the same serving of Alf. Pellets. I don't mean to be rude, but I have seen lots of pictures of fat fjords. My biggest worry is laminitis, and insulin resistance. Basically, when viewed from the side, if your fjords belly is sagging and has the shape of a half moon, and you cannot tell where their flank begins and ends, and the crest of their neck is rock hard, your horse is too fat. Their bellies should not be ballooning out from the sides when looking at them from the front. That's just my two cents. Rosemary in Roy WA. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
WAS: Senior Feed Question NOW: Fjord longevity questions
This message is from: "jen frame" wow Jean! I am impressed with the ages of your two old Fjords! I guess it never occured to me that they could/would live that long, and it makes me so happy to know that I'll have many years with my beloved Fjord who is 10 years old now! Your post brings up another question for me: perhaps yours are living so long because your climate is similar to the climate they naturaly came from? Any ideas about that? Maybe our fjords kept in warmer climates won't live as long? And another question: how long were you able to ride and drive them, before retiring them from activity? Thanks! Jen On 12/11/08, Vic Faeo wrote: > This message is from: Vic Faeo She is 31, and can still eat some hay He is 33. I like the Nutrena Senior Lilfe because it doesn't have Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Senior Feed Question
This message is from: Vic Faeo Hi, Jean. I may have missed this, if you guys have already talked about this... I am wondering why you like sunflower chips? Is it for the vegetable omega oils? Vic and ... a Fjord someday - Original Message From: Jean Ernest To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 8:34:46 AM Subject: RE: Senior Feed Question This message is from: Jean Ernest I feed my two senior Fjords Nutrena Senior Life, which has no molasses. I have been feeding Stella 2 lbs in the morning and 2 lbs in the evening. She is 31, and can still eat some hay after I had her teeth done. She also get a couple handfuls of sunflower chiips. Old Bjarne gets 3 lbs mid day of the Nutrena Senior Life, plus a couple handfuls of Sunflower chips and his joint suplement. He is 33. I like the Nutrena Senior Lilfe because it doesn't have the molasses. The other two fjords stay fat on just hay plus a couple handfuls of sunflower chips along with an ounce of ShowGlo vitamins. I don't give the old guys the Sho-Glo because they get enough vitamions in their senior feed. All four are in fine shape this winter with temps down to -25F so far. I feed the more expensive sunflower CHIPS (no hulls) because of the poor teeth on the two old guys. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, +14 today! > Hello! I need to start my 29-year-old stallion, Ivan, on Senior Feed by > Purina. While he eats moistened hay cubes and pelleted grain well, he is > starting to have some problems eating hay. To supplement that, I want to feed the > Senior Feed, but I am just not sure at what amount to start him on. > _ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_12 2008 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Senior Feed Question
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I feed my two senior Fjords Nutrena Senior Life, which has no molasses. I have been feeding Stella 2 lbs in the morning and 2 lbs in the evening. She is 31, and can still eat some hay after I had her teeth done. She also get a couple handfuls of sunflower chiips. Old Bjarne gets 3 lbs mid day of the Nutrena Senior Life, plus a couple handfuls of Sunflower chips and his joint suplement. He is 33. I like the Nutrena Senior Lilfe because it doesn't have the molasses. The other two fjords stay fat on just hay plus a couple handfuls of sunflower chips along with an ounce of ShowGlo vitamins. I don't give the old guys the Sho-Glo because they get enough vitamions in their senior feed. All four are in fine shape this winter with temps down to -25F so far. I feed the more expensive sunflower CHIPS (no hulls) because of the poor teeth on the two old guys. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, +14 today! > Hello! I need to start my 29-year-old stallion, Ivan, on Senior Feed by > Purina. While he eats moistened hay cubes and pelleted grain well, he is > starting to have some problems eating hay. To supplement that, I want to feed the > Senior Feed, but I am just not sure at what amount to start him on. > _ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_12 2008 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Senior Feed Question
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I need to start my 29-year-old stallion, Ivan, on Senior Feed by > Purina. While he eats moistened hay cubes and pelleted grain well, > he is starting to have some problems eating hay. To supplement > that, I want to feed the Senior Feed, but I am just not sure at what > amount to start him on. I would be extremely cautious about feeding any of the "senior" horse products to a Fjord. Years ago, I had an e-chat with the veterinary nutritionist who helped formulate Purina's Equine Senior. It was intended for elderly TBs that couldn't keep weight on ANY OTHER WAY! The breeder of my donkey put her elderly jack onto Equine Senior when his teeth started to give out, and damn near foundered him. ES has entirely too many calories, a lot of them from grains and molasses, which is NOT what most "air fern" equines (like donkeys and Fjords) need. Particularly if there is any indication of insulin resistance or Cushings. My old Nansy mare also got "tooth challenged" in her later years. I mostly fed her hay pellets (made from oat hay when we were in California, from rye grass hay here in Oregon, with some alfalfa hay pellets mixed in, in her last couple of years). I did use some Equine Senior, in lieu of grain, but not more than a pound per day. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Senior Feed Question
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello! I need to start my 29-year-old stallion, Ivan, on Senior Feed by Purina. While he eats moistened hay cubes and pelleted grain well, he is starting to have some problems eating hay. To supplement that, I want to feed the Senior Feed, but I am just not sure at what amount to start him on. If anyone has any experience with this, I would really appreciate your input. Thanks from cold, snowy MI (where the weather people had forecasted a "normal than normal" winter--yeah, right!) Anne Crandall Nottawa Crossing Fjords Marshall MI **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Kristie's feed question
This message is from: "Ed Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Kristie, looks like you're on a very good feeding program for this mare, with the Triple Crown Lite and beet pulp. Grass hay is best. We don't all have flexibility with our hay resources, but if you do, you might want to seek out a very late, stalky first cut to feed her, and if she turns up her nose at it, spritz it with a dilute molasses solution. To help with shiny coats and hooves, we supplement with Omega Horseshine. Good luck!! Ann S. in CT -- Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:23:38 -0500 From: "Kristie Strange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Ration Balancer? ..Right now she gets about a cup of Triple Crown lite mixed with a cup of soaked beet pulp shreds, twice a day. She is on very limited pasture (I let her graze2-3 hours a day), and gets plenty of grass hay in between... Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Fwd: Horse Feed Recall, Filly Euthanized After Kentucky Derby, and MORE...
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >From: "The Horse Health Newsletter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Horse Feed Recall, Filly Euthanized After Kentucky Derby, and MORE... > >If you are having difficulty viewing the e-newsletter, please see ><http://maestro-trk.bloodhorse.com/trk/click?ref=zqoqmnmb8_1-816x31e02x142093&;>http://www.TheHorse.com/enews/562008.html. > > > >theHorse.com Horse Health E-Newsletter > > >Tuesday, May 06, 2008 >[] > >[] > > >[] > >This Week's News: > >[] > > >Horse Feed Recall Affects East Coast >[] > > >Favorite Big Brown wins Kentucky Derby, Filly Euthanized >[] > > >Rock Bottom: Equine Enteroliths and Colic >[] > > >Fiber in Hay: What's the Magic Number? >[] > > >Ask the Vet: Excessive Girthiness >[] > > > From The Horse Magazine: Potomac Horse Fever >[] > > >Gastrointestinal Disease and Carbohydrate Nutrition in Horses >[] > > >Searching for the Source of Carpal Lameness >[] > > >The Steroid Debate > ><http://maestro-trk.bloodhorse.com/trk/click?ref=zqoqmnmb8_1-816x31e03x142093&;> >Click Here! > >[] > >[] > > ><http://maestro-trk.bloodhorse.com/trk/click?ref=zqoqmnmb8_1-816x31e04x142093&;> >[] > ><http://maestro-trk.bloodhorse.com/trk/click?ref=zqoqmnmb8_1-816x31e04x142093&;>HORSE > >FEED RECALL AFFECTS EAST COAST > >Horse feed dealers are the key to identifying if there's a potential >problem with recently purchased Purina feed, according to Land >O'Lakes Purina Feed spokesperson Lydia Botham. The company recently >announced a recall of certain horse feed products manufactured at >three East Coast facilities. The products might contain an >ingredient with an unacceptably high level of aflatoxins. ><http://maestro-trk.bloodhorse.com/trk/click?ref=zqoqmnmb8_1-816x31e04x142093&;>Continue > >reading... > >Related article: >* > <http://maestro-trk.bloodhorse.com/trk/click?ref=zqoqmnmb8_1-816x31e05x142093&;>Purina > > Recalling Horse Feed in Eastern States >* >[] > > >* > <http://maestro-trk.bloodhorse.com/trk/click?ref=zqoqmnmb8_1-816x31e06x142093&;>FAVORITE > > BIG BROWN WINS KENTUCKY DERBY, FILLY EUTHANIZED > >* > <http://maestro-trk.bloodhorse.com/trk/click?ref=zqoqmnmb8_1-816x31e06x142093&;> >[] > Big Brown backed up his trainer's boasts with an explosive > finishing kick and won the Kentucky Derby on Saturday, a commanding > victory turned somber by the fatal injury sustained by the filly > Eight Belles on horse racing's biggest day. > <http://maestro-trk.bloodhorse.com/trk/click?ref=zqoqmnmb8_1-816x31e06x142093&;>Continue > > reading... >* More news: >* > <http://maestro-trk.bloodhorse.com/trk/click?ref=zqoqmnmb8_1-816x31e07x142093&;>Derby > > Winner Big Brown in Good Shape the Day After >* > <http://maestro-trk.bloodhorse.com/trk/click?ref=zqoqmnmb8_1-816x31e08x142093&;>Kentucky > > Derby Filly Eight Belles 'Went Out in Glory' >* > <http://maestro-trk.bloodhorse.com/trk/click?ref=zqoqmnmb8_1-816x31e09x142093&;>Chelokee, > > Winner of Barbaro Stakes, Given '50-50 Chance' to Survive > * >[] >* > ><http://maestro-trk.bloodhorse.com/trk/click?ref=zqoqmnmb8_1-816x3152ex142093&;>STOP > >FLIES BEFORE THEY START. > > > ><http://maestro-trk.bloodhorse.com/trk/click?ref=zqoqmnmb8_1-816x3892x142093&;> >[] > And do it without the ineffectiveness of spraying. SOLITUDE > IGR (cyromazine) is an entirely innovative way to keep flies, and > the diseases they bring, away from horses. Its safe, unique > pass-through technology works easily. >Just drop a half ounce of Solitude IGR every day into your > horse's feed. Significant results may be observed within 2 weeks, > but the full benefit should be realized within 4-6 weeks of > administration as adult populations die off. This is a new level of > fly prevention, not just deterrence like most of today's sprays. >Try it this year and you'll see why horse owners are saying it's > unlike anything they've used before. Click the SOLITUDE IGR image > here or visit > <http://maestro-trk.bloodhorse.com/trk/click?ref=zqoqmnmb8_1-816x3152fx142093&;>www.SolitudeIGR.com. > > SOLITUDE IGR is a trademark of Pfizer Inc. © 2008 Pfizer Inc. > All rights reserved. > >[] > > > ><http://
FW: Heads up! Purina horse feed - "unannounced recall"
This message is from: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I received the message below from our farrier. Gail As an FYI, I've heard from several sources that Purina has recalled many of their feeds due to the potential aflatoxins as a "precautionary measure". It is not an announced recall, but if you call the Purina number you get the info, Google the words "Purina horse feed recall 2008". and you see a lot of discussion on various equine boards. If you feed Purina, it's worth checking into. Later, Linda Linda Cowles Certified Hoof Care Provider WWW.HealthyHoof.Com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Hay Cubes and feed
This message is from: Eric Kozowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Erin Yanish wrote: Quite honestly as long as you have a good quality hay (get it tested) and a mineral lick they should maintain just fine. Only under special circumstances do we feed grain. This discussion on feed has been interesting to me. It is surprising to me all the different things people feed their horses. I only feed clean grass hay and have a mineral block available. We have a Fjord, a QH and a TB. They all have nice coats, good hooves and no medical problems (I probably just jinxed myself). I'll feed a sweet feed if a horse has been working hard, but other than that, no grain. Of course, they also have 24x7 access to fresh water (from a creek). In the wild it runs around all day (getting exercise) and has access to a variety of food sources that complete their diet. When they are penned up, you need to take the time to understand what they need nutrition wise and supply it. That may mean adding or subtracting to their diet. I think that the heart of the matter. From what I've seen, penned/stalled horses seem to have more digestive "issues" than horses that are turned out. It seems to be even worse if they get all kinds of grain and/or supplements. A horse's digestive system is designed for low nutritional content forage and to be moving regularly. The more their environment gets away from that, they more problems they seem to have. With all that said, I do think there is a place for grain, supplements, etc. for horses that are old or have specific health problems that are being addressed. But, in my opinion, most people over think feeding their horses. -- Eric Kozowski Joseph, OR "You can see what man made from the seat of an automobile, but the best way to see what god made is from the back of a horse." - Charles M. Russell The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: feed, fence eating
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am obsesses with equine nutrition, and the biggest problem I have found is that when feeding "easy keepers" like many Fjords, and like one of my TWH mares, you run up against this problem: The commercial feeds are designed to only provide the correct vitamin and mineral ballance when fed in a specific vollume which is TOO MUCH for the easy keepers. If you reduce the amount of feed, then they get shorted on the necessary vitamins and minerals, and their coats will show that shortage fairly quickly. So, the Nutrena Lie Ballance was designed to be a low starch low fat feed that is heavily fortified with Vitamins and minerals and can therefore be fed in smaller amounts and the horse will get what they need. Supposedly. I can't get Nutrena where I live, but I can get Acco, which is the same feed, just under a different name. I bought the Acco Golden Equine LIte, which is supposed to be (to my understanding) the same as NUtrena Lite Ballance. I did NOT like the feed. It is a pelleted feed (which is fine by me, although not very natural) and each different lot was a distinctly different color. Which told me that there was very little consistency in the ingredients used. After one lot/color change, 2 of my mares aged 8 & 9 who had never colliced in their lives, both colliced. My vet told me to get them off the feed--he does NOT like feeds which are inconsistent. Also, my mares skin became very flaky at the tail head and where the mane attatches to the neck. They were obviouls not getting the right amount of fat, despite the fact that they were also eating 6 ounces a day of an amazing Flax supplement called Glanzen 3 by horsetech. I have heard that horses will chew the bark off trees when they are not getting enough of something they need--usually vitamins and minerals. I am currently switching over to an entirely new horse feeding system that is expensive, but seems to make sense to me. If you are interested, I will let you know how it is going. The 'regime' is developed by The Natural Horse Vet--a western vetrinarian who has gone totally alternative. It is based on feeding whole oats. You feed as much or as little whole oats as each individual horse requires. You ballance the deficiencies in oats by adding a supplemnt called Just-Add-Oats. This ensures that each horse gets the proper calcium to phosphorous ratio and all the minerals and vitamins they need, while not having to eat huge amounts of feed to get them. Then you also add a fat supplement which slows the absorbtion of the starches in the oats so as not to get those peaks and valleys of blood sugars and insulin, and also to provide the fats that horses need. The concept is great. The question is: does it work? I have just started it. My horses LOVE it, and one mare is already even shinier than fitter looking than she was, and she looked great before I started it. I have my TWH's on it, and not my Fjord yet. But I will try her on it too . Basically, the Natural Vet says, and I agree with him, that commercial feeds are equivalent to junk food. THey have lots of Molasses in them, and sugar is not good for horses. period. They have the wrong kinds of fat added--usually corn oil which is not the right kind of fat, despite the fact that all commercial feeds use it. Etc. Horses in the wild eat the seed heads when grasses have matured and gone to seed (I have watched mine eat the seed heads off the Bahai grass we have) which is exactly what oats are--seed heads of grasses. where in the wild would a horse get a hold of pellets?! Anyway, that's something to think about! Jen On 1/21/08, Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I Think they start eating the fences and posts after the snow gets > them wet, and they are bored. We will cut aspen (poplar) saplings > and smaller trees and throw them in for them to chew. they clean > the bark off the young sapling, etc. and get their urge to chew satisfied. > > I think that feeding Ground flax also helps dampen their urge to chew > wood. I wonder if "Quit" has flax in it? > > I feed Nutrena Senior Life to my old Fjords. I don't think our feed > store has the Nutrena Lite , maybe they have "safe Choice" now. > > Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska where we are having unseasonably warm > weather because we sent the frigid arctic air down to you folks in the > Midwest. > > Also three days ago my horses > >started eating the fences and fence posts. They have not done this before and > >nothing has changed. Does the supplement "Quit" really work in 7 days like > >the > >guarantee says? I don't > >want this to become a habit. > >Debbie in NH > >__
RE: feed, fence eating
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I Think they start eating the fences and posts after the snow gets them wet, and they are bored. We will cut aspen (poplar) saplings and smaller trees and throw them in for them to chew. they clean the bark off the young sapling, etc. and get their urge to chew satisfied. I think that feeding Ground flax also helps dampen their urge to chew wood. I wonder if "Quit" has flax in it? I feed Nutrena Senior Life to my old Fjords. I don't think our feed store has the Nutrena Lite , maybe they have "safe Choice" now. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska where we are having unseasonably warm weather because we sent the frigid arctic air down to you folks in the Midwest. Also three days ago my horses started eating the fences and fence posts. They have not done this before and nothing has changed. Does the supplement "Quit" really work in 7 days like the guarantee says? I don't want this to become a habit. Debbie in NH _ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: feed, fence eating
This message is from: Debbie Shade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I too love Nutrena feeds and currently feed Nutrena Safe Choice. I was just told by my eventer and trainer, daughter who lives in Kentucky tb country that she thinks my 7 month old connemara filly is too heavy for her age. True, she is very round and you can't find her ribs. She currently gets about 2 and 3/4 pounds (6 cups) Safe Choice a day divided into three feedings plus free choice good quality hay. Also grow colt. Would lite balance be a high enough protein for a growing filly. I am in deep snow country in the NH mountains but they do move around some. I put the hay as far from the barn as possible and put small piles every where so the have to move around. Also three days ago my horses started eating the fences and fence posts. They have not done this before and nothing has changed. Does the supplement "Quit" really work in 7 days like the guarantee says? I don't want this to become a habit. Debbie in NH _ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Buckeye Feed
This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have one client that feeds it and loves it. I'm a bit skeptical however her horses are doing fine on it ( Morgans ). I think Michael and Betsy Scott have used it in the past and may still with there mare Naveeta ( Fjord ). Maybe they'll chime in if they are here. Roberta MN - Original Message - From: "Ardeth Obenauf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 7:58 AM Subject: Buckeye Feed > This message is from: "Ardeth Obenauf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Has anyone had experience feeding Buckeye products to fjords? The local rep > came out and took at look at my 4 fjords and 7 quarterhorses and we are > waiting for the results of a hay test before starting on Buckeye. > > I really like their concept of the feed as a supplement to the forage, not > the other way around. Also, most of their products are low carb and you > feed according to body weight, life stage and level of work. It may be a > little complicated to figure out who gets what, but they'll do that for me, > and even deliver my feed to me once a month! > > I have heard good results from other horse owners, but none of them are > feeding fjords, which we all know are special. > > ao > > Ardeth Obenauf > The Lazy AO Farm > Shelbyville, TN > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Buckeye Feed
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Roberta, I am curious: why are you skeptical about Buckeye feeds? I have just chosen to radically change the way I feed my horses, and what I feed them (ofcourse I am making the change gradually and safely). I have chosen a different route than Buckeye, but am interested in the various feeding programs out there that are different than the usual and would like to hear your skepticism about the Buckeye program... Jen On 1/18/08, Warren Stockwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I have one client that feeds it and loves it. I'm a bit skeptical however > her horses are doing fine on it ( Morgans ). I think Michael and Betsy Scott > have used it in the past and may still with there mare Naveeta ( Fjord ). > Maybe they'll chime in if they are here. > > Roberta > MN > - Original Message - > From: "Ardeth Obenauf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 7:58 AM > Subject: Buckeye Feed > > > > This message is from: "Ardeth Obenauf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Has anyone had experience feeding Buckeye products to fjords? The local > rep > > came out and took at look at my 4 fjords and 7 quarterhorses and we are > > waiting for the results of a hay test before starting on Buckeye. > > > > I really like their concept of the feed as a supplement to the forage, not > > the other way around. Also, most of their products are low carb and you > > feed according to body weight, life stage and level of work. It may be a > > little complicated to figure out who gets what, but they'll do that for > me, > > and even deliver my feed to me once a month! > > > > I have heard good results from other horse owners, but none of them are > > feeding fjords, which we all know are special. > > > > ao > > > > Ardeth Obenauf > > The Lazy AO Farm > > Shelbyville, TN > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Buckeye Feed
This message is from: "Ardeth Obenauf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Has anyone had experience feeding Buckeye products to fjords? The local rep came out and took at look at my 4 fjords and 7 quarterhorses and we are waiting for the results of a hay test before starting on Buckeye. I really like their concept of the feed as a supplement to the forage, not the other way around. Also, most of their products are low carb and you feed according to body weight, life stage and level of work. It may be a little complicated to figure out who gets what, but they'll do that for me, and even deliver my feed to me once a month! I have heard good results from other horse owners, but none of them are feeding fjords, which we all know are special. ao Ardeth Obenauf The Lazy AO Farm Shelbyville, TN The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Finding a Way to Control Feed
This message is from: Genie Dethloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Kate, Are Joe and Della on 24 hour pasture or do they have stalls? I feel for you; I am at a no frills boarding barn and have had lots of management issues to resolve to keep my fjord from getting overweight. If the two overweight mares (fjord and morgan cross) are in the 2 acre pasture alone so it isn't supplemented with much hay, then the grass grows too much, especially since we bring them in earlier. We added two horses to the herd to help control the grass. I pay the young woman who turns out horses in the morning and cleans stalls in the afternoon to bring my mare and her half morgan pasturemate in at 3:30-4:30 when they arrive in the afternoon, on the days I don't ride. I have gone to a grazing muzzle put on by the person who does turnout in the morning. Pjoska gets her Nutrena Lite Balance pellets and Quiessence supplement before she goes out in the morning. When Pjoska is in her stall in the afternoon, she gets a half a flake of hay once or twice to make it until dinner time. It is only because this young woman and her teenage sisters are at the barn to muck and ride for several hours that I am able to have help managing Pjoska's intake. The grazing halter was rubbing spots on her face so I put a synthetic fleece halter set on it so no more rubs (I had to cut it to fit the grazing muzzle halter). In a few weeks, due to the combination of grazing muzzle and Quiessence, Pjoska's crest has gone back down to minimal. I think grazing muzzles are not made to work with hay, so if there is not grass, I don't know if they'd get enough to eat. Any one on the list use a grazing muzzle with horses on hay mostly? If you are a long time boarder and plan to stay there, perhaps the owner will let you make a smaller pasture inside the 3 acre pasture for your horses. We considered this option but as I am moving this summer, I never set it up. It might require that you buy the materials, but you could do an electric fence and use one of those chargers that runs on batteries or solar set up in a wood box build on a fence post (I think you can do that). This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My boy is stout, not obese but stout - and I'm feeling at a loss to control his intake because of our boarding situation. Clearly I am not trying hard enough so maybe you guys can suggest something. Here's the situation: Joe and Della are in a 3 acre pasture with 5 horses - there is very little grass but some. They feed using round bales, so I cannot control the hay intake, and even when they do use square bales, they keep the hay available 24/7 for those skinny little quarter horses and Arabs. I have cut out even the 2 cups of feed a day they were getting. I am reluctant to put a grazing muzzle on, since I am not there throughout the day to check on it. I am negotiating with the barn owner to try and get the Fjords into a pasture on their own where I can control the hay, but that pasture is currently being used for the mares with foals and is not available for a few months (and even then I'm not sure I want to put them into that pasture because everyone goes through it to get to the tack room). Other than trying to increase the exercise, any good ideas? I am thinking the grazing muzzle is my only option and I am just not sure how to coordinate the timing - do I go down to the barn at 5:30 a.m. before work and put it on, then come back in the afternoon and take it off - do I put it on at night, is he at risk having the thing on if there is no one around for many hours during the day? Kate and Joe and Della (who think the 24/7 hay is a very good idea indeed) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw -- Genie Dethloff Ann Arbor, Michigan The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Finding a Way to Control Feed
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My boy is stout, not obese but stout - and I'm feeling at a loss to control his intake because of our boarding situation. Clearly I am not trying hard enough so maybe you guys can suggest something. Here's the situation: Joe and Della are in a 3 acre pasture with 5 horses - there is very little grass but some. They feed using round bales, so I cannot control the hay intake, and even when they do use square bales, they keep the hay available 24/7 for those skinny little quarter horses and Arabs. I have cut out even the 2 cups of feed a day they were getting. I am reluctant to put a grazing muzzle on, since I am not there throughout the day to check on it. I am negotiating with the barn owner to try and get the Fjords into a pasture on their own where I can control the hay, but that pasture is currently being used for the mares with foals and is not available for a few months (and even then I'm not sure I want to put them into that pasture because everyone goes through it to get to the tack room). Other than trying to increase the exercise, any good ideas? I am thinking the grazing muzzle is my only option and I am just not sure how to coordinate the timing - do I go down to the barn at 5:30 a.m. before work and put it on, then come back in the afternoon and take it off - do I put it on at night, is he at risk having the thing on if there is no one around for many hours during the day? Kate and Joe and Della (who think the 24/7 hay is a very good idea indeed) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Triple Crown feed
This message is from: Fiona Lindsay-Delfino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all. I agree with Onna. I have a fjord and a belgian/halflinger x. Both of whom who need low starch, low carb, and low protein. I have just recently discovered Triple Crown Lite. It has all of the above and is a great product. My gelding, the draft cross, seems to be doing really well on it. I have only just yesterday, switched my mare, the fjord, over to it fully... I will let you know how she does on it. ~Fi. Onna Kulaja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This message is from: "Onna Kulaja" Hi, Those of you that are using Tri Country feed might want to look into Triple Crown Safe Starch or a similar feed. It doesn't have any of the NSC's in it. Which means it doesn't have any of the harmful sugars that all other feeds have. There are some similar brands and you can get the name from the web sight www.safergrasses.org. There is also a Timothy cube that doesn't have the NSC's in it. I recently went to a seminar that was put on by safergrasses. Unfortunately we feed our horses all the wrong kind of hay and pasture. Our wonderful brome grass was designed to fatten cattle and does the same for our horses. They should be on prairie grass, but that takes a lot of land since prairie grass can't take the abuse of cattle and horses. Hope this helps. Onna The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Triple Crown feed
This message is from: "Onna Kulaja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, Those of you that are using Tri Country feed might want to look into Triple Crown Safe Starch or a similar feed. It doesn't have any of the NSC's in it. Which means it doesn't have any of the harmful sugars that all other feeds have. There are some similar brands and you can get the name from the web sight www.safergrasses.org. There is also a Timothy cube that doesn't have the NSC's in it. I recently went to a seminar that was put on by safergrasses. Unfortunately we feed our horses all the wrong kind of hay and pasture. Our wonderful brome grass was designed to fatten cattle and does the same for our horses. They should be on prairie grass, but that takes a lot of land since prairie grass can't take the abuse of cattle and horses. Hope this helps. Onna The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Champagne for Everybody!! Just pour it in the sweet feed!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Lori, Congrats on the terrific accomplishments! Prisco is a real star and it sounds like you're doing great yourself! It also sounds like you're having a lot of fun...something VERY high on my list of desirable things. Keep it up! All the best from across the lake. Kay Van Natta and Braveheart, who says, "What's a diagonal?" and Bogie (born in BC and now a naturalized Michigander), who says, "Pour me a little more of that stuff." ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Feed through fly control
This message is from: "fjords" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Does anyone have a preference for which feed through fly control to use? Taffy Mercer In sunny, headed to 74* Kennewick, WA The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
feed it
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 3/22/2007 4:05:53 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Guess this is the time > when the Fjord characteristic of blowing up over the least amount of grass > or alfalfa goes out the window!!! But we will not over do it, much to his > chagrin. Thanks for all of the caring. Jean.I wouldnt worry too much about the " dreaded " alfalfa. When living in CA. like every other horse owner we knew, ( 3 million aprox. in CA. ) we fed 100 % alfalfa. Never been accused of having fat Fjords, they do just fine on that feed. We also had zero colics in around 20 years of horse, mule, donkey, Fjord and draft horse keeping. We feed 3 times a day, and do not overfeed or have pasture. We now are able to get a nice orchard grass / alfalfa blend hay. We also suppliment at their favorite " noon food " with an alfalfa pellet, Nutrina Lite ( about 2 lbs. replacing their 2 scoops of Vitamins ) ) corn oil, and trace minerals. Fed like this for 8 years now.no troubles related to Nutrition. Lisa ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Adding salt(s) to feed
This message is from: Steve A White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We do use epsom salts sometimes as a laxative for horses. However, we give a large volume with a stomach tube. I doubt the horse would eat or drink enough on its own to have much laxative effect. If they are adding it to feed its probably just for extra magnesium. Steve White, DVM Gretna, NE The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Adding salt(s) to feed
This message is from: Silja Knoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, Epsom salt acts as a laxative. Adults (humans) can disolve it in water and drink it. For children it can be mixed into their bath water if they are constipated. I have used it many times for my daughter and it works fairly well. I am assuming that horses would experience the same laxative type effect that humans do. Silja Gail Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This message is from: "Gail Russell" I have a friend who puts Epsom salts (magnesium sulfate) into feed. She buys it at Costco in large quantities. I guess she thinks the magnesium is helpful. Anyone know any more about why Epsom salts might be a good thing? Gail As to colic in winter, our thoughts are that we must get as much water in the horses as we possibly can. -- To do this we have heaters in alll the outside tanks. -- We feed huge amounts of soaked (really soaked until soupy) beetpulp, and we put a lot of salt into each bucket. The salt makes them thirsty and the tepid water invites them to drink. We monitor the tanks and buckets very carefully to be 100% sure they're drinking a lot. We think the soupy,. salty beetpulp is the best insurance we can have against impaction colic. -- The horses need wet stuff in the winter because all they're eating is dry hay. -- They need lots and lots of water, and some of them will not drink enough water unless "forced" to by salt induced thirst. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Adding salt(s) to feed
This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have a friend who puts Epsom salts (magnesium sulfate) into feed. She buys it at Costco in large quantities. I guess she thinks the magnesium is helpful. Anyone know any more about why Epsom salts might be a good thing? Gail As to colic in winter, our thoughts are that we must get as much water in the horses as we possibly can. -- To do this we have heaters in alll the outside tanks. -- We feed huge amounts of soaked (really soaked until soupy) beetpulp, and we put a lot of salt into each bucket. The salt makes them thirsty and the tepid water invites them to drink. We monitor the tanks and buckets very carefully to be 100% sure they're drinking a lot. We think the soupy,. salty beetpulp is the best insurance we can have against impaction colic. -- The horses need wet stuff in the winter because all they're eating is dry hay. -- They need lots and lots of water, and some of them will not drink enough water unless "forced" to by salt induced thirst. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
feed, grass, and founder issues
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi to All, I had surgery on my back a couple of weeks ago so I am behind in my response to the never ending issue of laminitis and how to deal with our chubby Fjords. A friend of mine introduced me to a great web sight concerning safe feed and grasses for horses/ponies that are insulin resistant of just plain easy keepers. FYI, it is _www.safergrass.org_ (http://www.safergrass.org) . I have found 2 horse feeds in NW MO. that are comparable to the one mentioned on this web sight. I have no intention of reseeding my pasture nor do I think anyone should change what they are now doing, if it is working for them, but I did feel there was a lot of good information on this web sight. I have always been looking for a feed that I can give Aron, that won't contribute to weight problems. He comes running to the barn everyday around 4 or 5 PM in the winter because he knows he has hay and some kind of pellet feed/treat waiting for him. But when the spring grass starts growing, he is not as enthusiastic about spending the night in his stall/paddock with no hay and only a treat and a small amount of grain. Hopefully this next spring, I will be able to give him a little more to eat at night and he will still want to come up in the evening. Time will tell. Because of work hours, my horses have always been 12 hours on pasture and 12 hours off. I am going to a seminar in Kansas City, March 17th that relates to this very subject and I believe the speaker is involved with safergrass.org. I have many questions to ask and hopefully many more will be answered that I didn't even think of. Recuperating in DeKalb, MO. Onna The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Feed for Fjords
This message is from: "Debbie Ulrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Feed is very important for horse. They need the vitamins and minerals and it gives the same amount daily. Unless we test our hay we don't know exactly what the content is providing for our horses. I have always used Purina Strategy and have not ever had to deal with low nutrition nor fat horses. I don't need to worry about buying different kinds for different horses. I use it for my pregnant mares and increase the last trimester only. I also feed it to the baby along with Mom. It gives them all the proper nutrition. Purina Strategy is pelleted and a constant source of good nutrition without added fillers. The horses love Strategy, it is palatable for anytime of horse. My farrier tells me that my horses have always had some of the feet around...that is even before I had fjords. He said it must be the feed. No additional supplement is ever needed. I feed one pound per day per horse and it is very cost effective to other brands that I have looked at. Debbie Ulrich Corgi Hill Farm Winona, MN ...where it is brown, was muddy and now has gotten colder. I only wish we could take some of the snow that you folks are getting The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Nutrena feed, Equine Senior
This message is from: "Beth Pulsifer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Happy Thanksgiving to you! The Nutrena Lite has all the vit. supplements that are needed for our Fjord . She is getting just under a lb. of nutrena lite morning and night. Not the amount recommended.. Also she gets aprox 2lbs of hay four times a day.. I have a scale in the hay mow where I weight the flake of hay... No pasture as such, just an area to wander around and grub. She is exercised regularly and is looking so much better than she did, still a little tummy but less than before!!:) Still more weight to lose but I feel more confident now , that I'm on the right track. Her winter coat is long and nice and shiny. She's been on it about two months. As with people each horse is different and what works for one may not work for another. Good luck . Beth in Maine where we are Full of turkey!! ---Original Message--- > From: Eileen > Date: 11/23/06 18:48:14 > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Re: Nutrena feed, Equine Senior > > This message is from: Eileen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Happy Thanksgiving All! > > No trail riding today as the wind is really howling here. I'm curious > about feeding - yes, I now that this subject has come up many times. > But the discussion on the Nutrena feed has me thinking. > > I'm curious about this because my 14hh fat, fat mare gets about a cup of > equine senior (Purina product) twice a day with her supplements. I give > her about 1 teaspoon of bluegreen algae in the am. At night she gets a > joint supplement (9g glucosamine and 1g C, plus other antioxidants, > etc), vit E/selenium, and Strongid C. These nutritional supps have > worked well for my Apps who have auto-immune related health problems > (allergy and eye inflamation). My mare is off pasture :( and gets about > 10lbs of hay: timothy she shares during the day, and bluegrass 'hay' > (straw) at night. I can't imagine being able to feed her a significant > amount of Equine Senior or this Nutrena Lite unless I totally removed > her hay. Also, I found with my Apps that I couldn't feed enough > nutrients through the feed, so it was better to think about the calorie > and micronutrient needs independently. My mare looks great, has great > 'bloom' (e.g., dapples) but is way too fat. > > So those of you feeding this Nutrena product, have you cut out the hay? > I'm trying to imagine being able to feed a Fjord enough of a feed > product to make a difference one way or t'other. > > Eileen in windy, windy Tri-cities WA > and Janie, who is not going to blow away. > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Nutrena feed, Equine Senior
This message is from: Eileen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Happy Thanksgiving All! No trail riding today as the wind is really howling here. I'm curious about feeding - yes, I now that this subject has come up many times. But the discussion on the Nutrena feed has me thinking. I'm curious about this because my 14hh fat, fat mare gets about a cup of equine senior (Purina product) twice a day with her supplements. I give her about 1 teaspoon of bluegreen algae in the am. At night she gets a joint supplement (9g glucosamine and 1g C, plus other antioxidants, etc), vit E/selenium, and Strongid C. These nutritional supps have worked well for my Apps who have auto-immune related health problems (allergy and eye inflamation). My mare is off pasture :( and gets about 10lbs of hay: timothy she shares during the day, and bluegrass 'hay' (straw) at night. I can't imagine being able to feed her a significant amount of Equine Senior or this Nutrena Lite unless I totally removed her hay. Also, I found with my Apps that I couldn't feed enough nutrients through the feed, so it was better to think about the calorie and micronutrient needs independently. My mare looks great, has great 'bloom' (e.g., dapples) but is way too fat. So those of you feeding this Nutrena product, have you cut out the hay? I'm trying to imagine being able to feed a Fjord enough of a feed product to make a difference one way or t'other. Eileen in windy, windy Tri-cities WA and Janie, who is not going to blow away. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: The perfect feed bag?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey just a thought how about inexpensive edible feed bags, so you don't have to take them off. When the horse is done they can eat the bag! Made out of a hay paper:0) Creative Ideas Bonnie The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: The perfect feed bag?
This message is from: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> SoI am now into sewing. One of my projects is to sew the perfect equine feed bag. Now I need a little design help. Has anyone else been wishing for the perfectly designed feedbag? Suggestions? Gail THERE ARE some feedbag patterns on this site Gail: http://www.seattlefabrics.com/suitability.html Ruthie, nw mt US The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: The perfect feed bag?
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You mean when he became a husband he wasn't Significant anymore? Is THAT what marriage does to a relationship? :) Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, cloudy , -9F At 06:54 PM 11/22/2006 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OOPS! He graduated from significant other to husband about 4 years ago. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: The perfect feed bag?
This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OOPS! He graduated from significant other to husband about 4 years ago. I was just concentrating on feedbag design, and misspoke! The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
The perfect feed bag?
This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi folks, My wonderful significant other, Jim, has fairly eclectic tastes (for a man :)). Not long ago, he bought a fancy embroidery sewing machine. A few days ago I got it out to sew a new zipper into a sail cover on the boat that we THINK we have sold. Turns out, it works! SoI am now into sewing. One of my projects is to sew the perfect equine feed bag. Purpose is to allow supplement feeding to individual horses who are pastured together. Now I need a little design help. I have access to sailing materials, including snaps, turn fasteners, Sunbrella, and clear vinyl. Also some net materials. My tentative design includes a vinyl bottom, sort of like the vinyl things hold doggy feed bowls in a crate. Above that there will be net, at least over the nostril area, so damp horsebreath does not make a stew out of the feed. Above that, Sunbrella, or just cotton canvas. Has anyone else been wishing for the perfectly designed feedbag? Suggestions? Gail The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Nutrena feed
This message is from: "Janice Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We have been using the Nutrena lite feed for several months now and are very satisfied with it. It smells like coconut..the horses love it. Janice in Nebraska The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
feed it
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/22/2006 11:53:51 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Am wondering if anyone has been trying the new Nutrena Lite Balance > feed on their Fjords. If so how do you like it? > > Someone on the list had mentioned it quite some time ago. I am using > it on my fjord and on my mini. Could be my imagination but I think > they both are looking better. . If any of you are using it have you > seen any major differences.? I have found I don't use as much as is > called for as far as their body weight goes. > Hi Beth ! We started feeding the Nutrena Lite just after returning from Winona. We picked up several bags of it ( thanks Susan ! ) when they brought in a bunch of it to give away at the show. Our Fjords have no grazing here, so everything they eat, I put into their mouths. I feed 3 times a day. We have noticed a differance already with it. We are adding it to their noon feeding, with an alfalfa pellet, and corn oil. Since it already has vitamins and minerals in it, we stopped adding those. We feed an orchard grass hay with a tiny bit of alfalfa in it morning and night. A few oldsters like Leidjo ( 23 ) also get 3 cups of soaked beet pulp, and hay cubes also soaked and he looks splended ! We are seeing a nice bloom, even with winter coats since starting the Nutrena. They are holding weight well and it is sure cheaper without buying that 20 lb pail of vitamins every 2 weeks. We found the Nutrena at both Oversons and Cal Ranch here. Be careful with your mini just plain overfeeding is a big problem for them. They beg so well ! Lisa Pedersen / Pedersens Fjords * breezy and overcast but warm, Cedar City, UTAH The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Nutrena feed
This message is from: Susan Cargill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean - if you can come to Winona I'll make sure you have a carryon bag of Nutrena's Lite Feed to take home with you. I have used Triple Crown Lite Feed for years for my fjords - now that Nutrena has a lite feed I'm switching. Thank you Nutrena for listening. Susan - Longtheway Farm
Feed questions for breeders
This message is from: "Marcia Pace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I would appreciate any information from experienced Fjord breeders regarding feeding weanlings through age 2. I have numerous books regarding horse nutrition; however, they contain a huge range of advice. Unfortunately, none of the information is Fjord specific or consistent and ranges from feed your weanling grass or hay only to supply your weanling with unlimited amounts of grain in a creep feeder. Most of these books also contain dramatic photos of youngsters with DOD that may have occurred from too much feed or too little feed, etc.! Marcia Pace Ellensburg, WA
adding salt to feed
This message is from: Carol Makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, If I add salt to my horse's daily supplement, how much should I give each day? qtr. cup, less or more? I would only be doing this to encourage more water intake during the winter and I have never had a problem with winter colic. On another subject. I just caught the end of a natural hoof care specialist on the RFDTV channel and was fascinated with it all. -- Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin
Re: Feed and winter riding
This message is from: Genie Dethloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I hadn't been out to the barn (a boarding stable) for a week, which is very unusual for me unless we are out of town, and I ended up staying five hours even though it was 20 degrees out and there is no heated place to warm-up. I just love being out with the horses - chipping frozen piles of manure out of the snow trying to get a whiff of that horsey smell while cleaning up. I hadn't thought Finne could get any fuzzier, but after being away a week, I saw that he could. Previously people had talked about whether they had to lunge first in the winter and when the horse hadn't been ridden for a while. I've been pleasantly surprised. Finne was very green last winter and still had major problems with rushing off stiffly and out of balance. His training progressed well and by the end of summer it was usually a matter of well timed half-halts (which I am still trying to learn to do correctly) to keep him going at a nice pace. I bought a Morgan in the heat of August one year after six rides on him. He had great energy then and I didn't realize what that indicated that he'd be like in the winter, yikes! So I am always cautious when you have good riding in the heat of the summer, if the horse has really settled in or if it was just lethargy due to the heat. I'm pleased to say that it is really the training and Finne is as calm as can be and steady going. Now of course I must mention that he is not the only one who had had a year and a half of good training, I have also. I am finally beginning to be able to do with my body what my mind knew. it has been incredibly hard to learn to really relax, sit down on the saddle and only use the few muscles needed to give an aid. I still don't know how good instructors can see the small details that they see, but luckily mine can. For months I said, "but I am sitting down on the saddle" - wrong, I had tightened my thigh muscles and perched up above the saddle. Image having someone on your back with visegrip legs expecting you to walk along calmly LOL! So here is to all the good instructors and trainers out there that can really see what we haven't even learned to feel yet!! I know I have made progress when I feel something right before Laura tells me to correct it. She also loves to hear "yes, I just felt that". And the thrill of knowing what do do when you feel it, making the correction, and it works - yeh! So being the humble person that I try to be, Finne I apologize for all the times I thought I was doing it right and wasn't - thank you for not doing anything stupid and dangerous as we flailed along together learning the ropes. -- Genie Dethloff Ann Arbor, Michigan
Feed and winter riding
This message is from: Genie Dethloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello all, I want to thank everyone who sent advise on feeding as I was looking for a new feed for Finne and his easy-keeper Morgan mare friend. I found a good solution for a feed that the barn can order with their other feeds. Today I start him on Patriot Easy Minerals. It is pelleted, includes all the vitamins and minerals needed in 1-2 lbs, and includes yeast for digestion. It has a little less KCal (MCal) per pound than plain oats, and the same percent protein 12% as the Patriot Performance feed the Morgan was being fed and that oats have. For the Patriot Performance feeds you need to feed 5-6 lbs a day to get the full complement of vitamins and minerals and the Morgan was only getting 1 and a half pounds per day. My first choice would have been Triple Crown's light feed, but I would have had to buy that myself. I have started weighing the hay to get some idea of the right amount to feed, but my scale doesn't function well in the cold, I think every time I go to the barn, I will bring home three flakes from a bale and weigh them and return them the next time. This will allow me to always have my SUV full of hay straws floating around and I can drive my husband crazy regularly; he is not a horse person and has a very clean car all the time! I am loving the winter adventure stories. For some reason, maybe that we have February weather in the start of December, I am having trouble getting myself out to the barn. Since I board and it is a 20 minute drive, it is easy to just stay home, but all of your stories and talk of how to ride safely in inter are motivating me to get out to the barn. Finne was moved to his "winter pasture" which is larger, flatter and less icy than his "summer pasture". He can't be there in the summer because it has too much grass. His summer pasture is with a paint gelding that , sometimes relentlessly, herds him around threatening to bite his butt - not a good setting for a fjord. On the other hand, his winter pasture is with three mares, one of which adores him and looks lovingly at him with her big soft eyes as they eat hay side to side. So as I think that I am neglecting my horse, I remember that now he is in heaven with the mares and probably isn't missing me! The farrier comes today and I have a lesson so I'll be out there. -- Genie Dethloff Ann Arbor, Michigan
Re: Nature's Essentials Mare and Maintenance feed for fjords
This message is from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have not used it for Fjords but have fed it with success to Haflingers because of similar feed needs. It works well. it was fed to stallions, pregnant mares, lactating mares and geldings. All remained very healthy and maintained their weight better than on simple oats. A decent way to provide a balnced diet with limited caloric intake. Pennwood has some nice supplements but Naturals Essentials works really well. Carole Cox on a nice autumn day in WV> This message is from: Genie Dethloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi all, > I am looking for an easy keeper feed that has full vitamins and > minerals in small quantities. The feed mill that supplies our barn > carries Nature's Essentials Mare and Maintenance feed by Purina. > Does anyone have experience using it for fjords? If I pick out > something that this mill carries then the owners of the farm will > order it and pay for it. Finne no longer enjoys his plain oats and I > buy a pelleted supplement, Select II. As I understand, I could feed > 1-2 lbs of this feed in addition to his hay instead of oats and > supplements. I'd appreciate feedback if anyone has used this product. > -- > Genie Dethloff > Ann Arbor, Michigan
Nature's Essentials Mare and Maintenance feed by Purina
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Funny you should ask, I have been using this feed for my 2 Fjord mares, ages 4 and 8, for a year now. They get 1 1/4 cups, once in the am and pm. That is all they get except for daily wormer, and lots of hay and some pasture. They seem fine on it, makes me feel like I am meeting their needs without giving them a lot of grain. Their coats, hooves, disposition, etc all seem normal. This product does not seem to have sugar, tastes a little salty to me. I did weigh it before I started and 2 1/2 cups weighs about 1lb, so I feel that they are getting the benefit of all the vitamins etc. I will be interested if anyone else has something to say. Valerie Columbia, CT
RE: Nature's Essentials Mare and Maintenance feed for fjords
This message is from: Genie Dethloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> When we give it to the fjord, we only give a very small amount, perhaps 1/2 cup. He stays tubby. If we gave him one pound... he would most likely become a total chunk. joyce Do you give your fjord 1/2 cup and then only hay in addition? Does 1/2 cup have enough vitamins and minerals for supplementation? -- Genie Dethloff Ann Arbor, Michigan
RE: Nature's Essentials Mare and Maintenance feed for fjords
This message is from: "" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We have been feeding mare and maintainance since spring. We blend it with strategy to cut the costs since we have several horses on it. During show season we give the born to win. When we give it to the fjord, we only give a very small amount, perhaps 1/2 cup. He stays tubby. If we gave him one pound... he would most likely become a total chunk. joyce >--- Original Message --- >From: Genie Dethloff[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: 11/10/2005 2:45:08 PM >To : fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com >Cc : >Subject : RE: Nature's Essentials Mare and Maintenance feed for fjords > >This message is from: Genie Dethloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, I am looking for an easy keeper feed that has full vitamins and minerals in small quantities. The feed mill that supplies our barn carries Nature's Essentials Mare and Maintenance feed by Purina. Does anyone have experience using it for fjords?
Nature's Essentials Mare and Maintenance feed for fjords
This message is from: Genie Dethloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, I am looking for an easy keeper feed that has full vitamins and minerals in small quantities. The feed mill that supplies our barn carries Nature's Essentials Mare and Maintenance feed by Purina. Does anyone have experience using it for fjords? If I pick out something that this mill carries then the owners of the farm will order it and pay for it. Finne no longer enjoys his plain oats and I buy a pelleted supplement, Select II. As I understand, I could feed 1-2 lbs of this feed in addition to his hay instead of oats and supplements. I'd appreciate feedback if anyone has used this product. -- Genie Dethloff Ann Arbor, Michigan
Re: feed
This message is from: "Reena Giola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Omegatin, made by Kent Feeds is a good fat product to use.I can't get it here, so had to order it through KV Vet Supply, a bit on the expensive side with shipping but it's a great product. My friend found it when looking for something to feed to her horse that wasn't a grain, since he had foundered and discussed it with Dr. Beth via the EPSM website. Dr. Beth endorsed it. I even think on the Omegatin website somewhere it says thatI remember reading it. This has been a while ago, so don't know how accurate it all is anymore. But I like the Omegatin. Reena This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Right now I am finishing up what is left of the Natural Glow that I purchased, since I found out that Natural Glow and Strategy are considered feed for high performance horses and are high in calories.
feed - long
This message is from: "Chris McMahon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have had Elph for most of his 8 years, and have been through a variety of feed programs. As a result he has been at a variety of weights, and also went through a bout of anemia last year. The vet attributed this to his diet, which was a nutritional mismatch - very scant (sweet) feed, hay, all-purpose supplement, and limited pasture. If he is on too much pasture, he gets tubby in a hurry - to me pasture is just not an option. Plus in my opinion the quality of the pasture was questionable - it was not seeded, manure not spread, not limed, in other words it is left to figure itself out. I don't think that the sweet feed was doing him much of anything except being tasty. The hay was grass hay, of unknown and variable quality. At the vet's advice I switched him to Strategy plus hay (Strategy is not a complete feed but requires the hay roughage), and he has leveled out to a perfect weight (and he gets a satisfying plenty of both!) I hand-graze him as a treat for a good workout, and I have recently added Hy-Flex as a supplement for joint support. I think that unless you are getting your hay and pasture tested on a regular basis (and hay quality can vary from bale to bale), how do you know what you are actually feeding your horse? The place I am boarding is wonderfully fussy about everything for his care, but even they don't test on a regular basis. Several years ago Elph was at a large boarding stable (75 or so horses) and that is the only place where the hay and a (Strategy-type, though mixed at the mill) feed were regularly sent to the U for testing and were adjusted accordingly - and his weight during those two years also went from very tubby to perfect, and his health was excellent. So having been through many feeding ups and downs, I guess I just like the simplicity of the concept, the lack of variability, and the fact that he is not battling the bulge. Hey, I wish someone would control my feed! Tish and Elph in Minneapolis Elph says: and mom forgot to mention those yummy butterscotch-flavored horse cookies I get sometimes!
feed
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Right now I am finishing up what is left of the Natural Glow that I purchased, since I found out that Natural Glow and Strategy are considered feed for high performance horses and are high in calories. If I can find the article I read that information in, I will pass it along. The feeds that were recommended for easy keepers, or fat horses, are not sold anywhere near me. I would like to go back to beet pulp, but no one in NW Missouri carries it without the molasses. To be honest I hate the mess of soaking it for 30 minutes and then draining it and then giving it to the horses. Does anyone know it there is that much molasses in it to hurt as far as calories. My horses are more than plump and I would like to give them the best feed that is low in calories with the most volume per calorie, which is beet pulp. I don't feed much. 1/2 to 1 cup per day. It is just a treat to get them to come to the barn every night, but you would think they were getting 5 to 10 pounds. They love that snack. I do add minerals and I started garlic a week ago and they love it. I also add Simplefly to their feed. It keeps the flies from breeding in their manure and it really helps. This product has a lot less chemical in it compared to Ecrotol. It is deemed safer. Phizer has a new safe one also, but can't find it. It cost half that of Simplefly.Onna
Re: Older horses and feed...
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Ingrid, >PS...so happy to read how far you've come with your boy, Gunnar. I know >it's been a bit of challenge with him...but it sounds as if your diligence >has paid off. Gunnar belongs to the other Jean! ...Jean Gayle! but thanks, anyway! BTW I grew up in your area, still have relatives there! (North Olmsted, OH) Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, Cool and still smoky..will it ever end? Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Older horses and feed...
This message is from: Ingrid Ivic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:51:01 -0800 > From: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Engar > This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I assume you have checked his teeth, etc. I suggest starting him on Equine > Senior feed plus a digestive aid called "Ration Plus", available in most > equine catalogs (such as KV Vet). Also give him some Rice bran and fresh > ground flax seed. Hi there Jean (Hi Lynda too), Excellent suggestion...I was just about to suggest the Senior feed and supplimenting. Having had several teenagers (and older) here over the years, we've followed the same regime. We use Maturity Senior (Buckeye brand) and Ration Plus too. Works great. The senior feed is much easier on their digestive system. PS...so happy to read how far you've come with your boy, Gunnar. I know it's been a bit of challenge with him...but it sounds as if your diligence has paid off. Take care, Ingrid;o) Ingrid Ivic Embroidered Apparel Customized Art & Gifts Please visit my Web Page Store: http://www.fullmoonfarm.us *** Please visit my eBay store: http://www.stores.ebay.com/faithfulfamiliars http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/fjord_and_friesian
Re: Feed question
This message is from: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Linda, We don't feed any corn to the horses anymore. According to the Davis', Doc Sweeney said that Fjords shouldn't have corn. "They don't need it". I've done some reading and it seems that the sugar in corn is easily "converted to energy" in the blood stream making horses hot right after feeding. It seems that with other grains this happens more gradually and there aren't the peaks in activity related to sugars. I'm definitely paraphrasing here and I'm sure there is a lot more to it but that is what I got out of the stuff I read a few years back. The reason corn is used in horse feeds is because it is cheaper than other grains. We use all oats here (with a mix of calcium, phosphorus, salt, soy bean meal (protein) and vitamins and minerals). Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] re: oil in feedI mix 4/1 oats and corn with two gallons of soy oil increase the corn to 3/1 in winter. The horses love itthis is for 500lbs
Re: Feed question
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Bud!!! :) Thanks, too, for your participation in the expo...I just got back up north last night. Enjoy the summer and see you at the "show" !! Linda
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whoopsthought I was sending a private message to Mark. Linda
Re: Feed question
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] re: oil in feedI mix 4/1 oats and corn with two gallons of soy oil increase the corn to 3/1 in winter. The horses love itthis is for 500lbs
Fattening feed
This message is from: Vicki and Tony Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Given that my little Fjord gains weight looking over the fence at grass, I can't imagine him ever needing a fattening diet. But, when I first got my Bashkir Curly, he needed some pounds. I fed him a plain oat and barley mix (which isn't available in the south) and he did wonderfully on it. Vicki Johnston Mims, Florida
RE: Feed question
This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Usually, people are trying to fatten up with oil. They might feed straight oil, except the horse will not eat it. So they pour the oil into pellets (usually of the low carb version...like alfalfa) so the horse will eat the pellets, and thereby consume the oil.
Feed question
This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Folks, My question is regarding feeding "pellets" and oil. Is this alfala pellets or what?? Is this in replacement for hay or with the intent to reduce the hay needed?? I think I rember seeing someone say they feed "pellets and oil." I understand the uses for oil, I just was courious as to the content of the pellets and the ratio. It may come in as handy information someday. For right now it is strictly educational. Thanks for any response, Roberta New Prague MN where the days are getting longer, warmer, and the fur is flying!!
tapes, blankets, shelter, feed
This message is from: ConnieBennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> concerning measuring tapes: My Vet tells me that there is no way that they are accurate for a Fjord...however they can be exteemly useful to indicate if the horse is gaining or losing weight. He did his internship in British Columbia and was familiar with fjords from there. I live in Colorado where the weather can make extreem changes. I watch if we have an extreem barometic drop with cold wind and rain and will blanket my old quarter horse who is prone to colic at those times. One such time (when Oklahoma had all the tornados) all kinds of horses (expensive, young, etc) died like flies out here. My Fjords were just fine. It seems as though my 2 younger fjords love the cold are are quite frisky in it. I have never had to blanket them, nor have I ever seen them shiver. One time we had some real bad weather coming in and I put a blanket on Sandy (my older fjord mare) and went to check her soon after and discovered that she was sweating and so took the blanket off. I was more concerned that she would get chilled from the sweat. They do have loafing sheds that they can get in or stand behind to get out of the wind and rain (they have a choice and seem to prefer being outside). Before we built the newest loafing shed, I asked my vet about barns and he stressed that horses were healthier with well ventilated protection such as loafing sheds. I do have rubber stall mats on the floors of the sheds (mostly because of all the sand and sand colic we see here) which I think is a barrier from the cold ground. and I always keep a tank heater going in the winter. One additional reason I don't blanket the fjords is that they love to roll in the snow along with running and kicking. I can only imagine the tangle that would be. My 2 younger fjords get grass hay and a brome/alfalfa mix every day and I have to be careful they don't turn into little butterballs. My wonderful older fjord mare, best mannered and temperment horse I have ever seen (I got her from Bo's) has just started on equine senior with the brome/al mix. I had her teeth floated but she seems to need a little extra. The older quarter horse and an older pony we have, can't have any hay and stay alive on equine senior, alfalfa pellets, beet pulp mash; and alfalfa flakes that I shoke out of a leaf (no stems) I have to say that reading this fjord digest you sure are an interesting bunch of people out there. I'm glad we're not the only ones who are goofy about fjords.
What do you feed your pregnant mares?
This message is from: "DT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Do you do anything different in the feeding for your mares. If so when and what? Deb
Re: cattle feed bad for horses
This message is from: Alison Bakken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Mark, I know that cattle feed is bad for horses. I don't know how much it takes to affect them. One of the problems that shows up is heart problems. One person I talked to said that they had a horse that had small heart attacks, from cattle feed. Goat feed can be just as bad. That's all I know about the subject. Alison Bakken In cold Alberta
RE: cattle feed bad for horses
This message is from: "Skeels, Mark A (MED)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My question is, how much of this additive is dangerous. Is one bite bad, or is it bad over the long term? Feeding every day for a couple years your horse will start to see symptoms of eating this additive, or immediately? It may be a case where a couple accidental feedings wouldn't cause a problem, but prolonged feeding would. Just wanted to know if it was a trainer that flies off the handle at every little thing, or a trainer that is justifiabe in her complaint because it would be a immediate danger. Mark Skeels - Learning every day, and trying to be level headed in the process. -Original Message- From: Janet McNally [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 12:50 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: cattle feed bad for horses This message is from: Janet McNally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The scenario where the horse feed was mixed right after the cattle feed was a 'it depends' kind of situation. It could be that the feed mill knew that it did not, or that they ran some meal through the mixer to clean it out, in which case they were OK to be mixing the horse feed. Janet
cattle feed bad for horses
This message is from: Janet McNally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The scenario where the horse feed was mixed right after the cattle feed was a 'it depends' kind of situation. Jessica is 100% correct that Rumensin, a common additive to the feed for growing cattle, is very toxic to horses. If rumensin was used in the previous batch, sufficient feed might be left in the 'boot' of the mixer to contaminate the next batch and cause problems for horses. For this reason, feed mills usually run similar types of feed together, -or- they run some corn or bean meal through to clean it out between batches. Dairy cattle feed has to be free of most additives, because antibiotics, or rumensin will be detected in the milk, and then the whole tank of milk will be thrown away. So if the previous batch of cattle feed was for lactating dairy cows, there would not be any toxic residues left in the mixer. Also not every beef, pork, or lamb producer uses antibiotics or additives for their growing animals (we do not). So whether or not she should be angry with the mill depends upon wether or not the previous batch had any additives in it. It could be that the feed mill knew that it did not, or that they ran some meal through the mixer to clean it out, in which case they were OK to be mixing the horse feed. Janet
FW: [HORSE-SENSE:3996] cattle feed bad for horses?
This message is from: "Frederick J. Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cross posted from Horse Sense. I just learned something important. Fred All Mail is scanned in AND out by Norton Anti-virus. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, Washington 98396 http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/3158 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jessica Jahiel Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 1:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [HORSE-SENSE:3996] cattle feed bad for horses? >From: Erica >Subject: cattle feed bad for horses? > >Dear Jessica, the other day I was at the feed mill with my trainer. She >has a hot temper and sometimes it can be embarrassing to be with her. >Well, this was one of those days. She got totally furious with the mill >owner and yelled at him just because he ran a cattle feed mix through >right before her horse feed mix. She said she wouldn't touch the feed and >he should give it to the cattle guy and he had to mix hers all over again. >I think she was mad because the cattle owner's feed got mixed first and >she thinks horses are more important? I think they are too, but I don't >know about being rude and yelling at somebody for no reason. > >Last night at supper I asked my Dad about it, he knows the guy who owns >the mill. He said he thought my trainer acted like a b***h and she thinks >she's better than the cattle owner but she isn't. He said she's just a >typical horsey snob and it's the guy's feed mill and he can do his work in >whatever order he wants. > >Okay, so then I went to the barn for my lesson and somebody was talking >about the feed thing and said it was a good thing my trainer was there to >see it, because the cattle feed would have poisoned the horse feed if she >let them mix her feed right after the cattle feed. Now I'm totally >confused. Why would anybody put poison in cattle feed? I happen to know >that these are BEEF cattle for people to EAT, so there's no way anybody >would poison them. I don't get it. Please help me understand. I think >adults are all crazy. Erica Hi Erica - nope, sorry, not all adults are crazy. Some of us are, but not all. Your trainer was right to be angry, and the person at your barn who said that the feed would have poisoned the horses was right, too. Your trainer knew that, and that's why she was so angry. The feed mill owner SHOULD have known that, too. Nobody is poisoning beef cattle, but cattle feed often has something called "Rumensin" added to it. Beef cattle feed has lots of ingredients added to it - the idea is to get as much weight on those cattle as possible before they are sold for beef. Now, here's why there was a problem at the feed mill: Rumensin may be just fine for beef cattle, but it's TOXIC TO HORSES. It damages their heart muscles, and horses that eat feed containing Rumensin will die from heart failure - or will be permanently and badly damaged. Feed producers KNOW this - it's why you will never find Rumensin in any feed designed for horses. Feed mill owners and operators know this too, because they NEED to know it. At a feed mill, custom mixes of grains, additives, molasses, etc. are prepared to order, and since the mixes are put through the same hoppers, it matters very much indeed which order is processed first. If the horse feed is processed first, then the cattle feed with Rumensin, the horses will be fine, and the cattle will be fine. If the cattle feed is processed first, then the horse feed, some of the Rumensin can end up in the horse feed - and then NOBODY will be fine, not the horses, not the horses' owners, not the trainer, and not the feed mill owner. So although your trainer was rude, she had every reason to be upset and angry. Tell your Dad the reasons for not mixing cattle feed additives into horse feed - I bet he'll change his mind about your trainer's behaviour. And tell every horse-owner you know not to feed their horses cattle feed, not to give their horses handfuls of cattle feed as a treat, and not to turn their horses out with cattle for group feeding - unless they KNOW exactly what is in the cattle feed, and are absolutely sure that there is no Rumensin or any other ingredient that could hurt their horses. Jessica HORSE-SENSE is a subscriber-supported newsletter. If you would like to help support HORSE-SENSE, please visit the website for information. Thank you! === Jessica Jahiel's HORSE-SENSE Newsletter http://www.horse-sense.org/ Copyright (C) 2002. Jessica Jahiel, Holistic Horsemanship(R) =
Re: Congrats, Grass and Feed, Gayle Ware
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for the compliment Linda. I have to admit I have learned a lot of my "share bear) lessons from my Mentally Challenged Riders. To do less would never occur to them. I have found as a relatively new lister that the Fjord people on this site are wonderfully generous and patient with us new Fjord owners. And I sincerely meant the offer. Robyn in MD
Congrats, Grass and Feed, Gayle Ware
This message is from: "Linda Lehnert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Robin, I have seen horse people help each other out all the time I have had horses, but your offer to ship Dagrun your saddle for her to use in the show is undoubtedly the most generous thing I have ever seen in 23 years. I congratulate you on your spirit of friendship and help of the highest level. Are Fjord people more helpful than others? It would certainly seem that way. I was interested to read about many of you giving grain and rice bran to your Fjords over there. Herr Eitenmüller told me in the Odenwald the Fjords are on pasture in the spring, summer and fall, then when they are in the stall in the winter, they are given only hay and no grain. Grain is used only if the horse is worked hard at the trot and canter for 2 hours a day or more, but not given when the horse is used for pleasure riding an hour or so a day. We have lush pastures here and the farmers bale excellent hay in the summer for winter use and this is what the Fjords get here. I will have to ask Herr E how to keep Rikka's coat shiny without grain or corn oil. Gayle Ware, Jean Gayle suggested I contact you. I want to take Rikka western and have some questions about the headset and way of going at the jog and lope and collection. If you have time, please contact me. Grüßen für Alles aus der Odenwald, Linda Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here
Re: feed for foals
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/5/2002 9:21:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > What do people feed for the foals? Just pasture, some hay? Any grain? > We do just "Mom" & pasture till weaning time, then depending on the foal and how much they stress we might give them a bit of grain. I'm not a big fan of really pumping the grain to babies like they do (or used to do when we were breeding) QHs. Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Redmond, OR Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: feed for foals
This message is from: "Hope Carlson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What do people feed for the foals? Just pasture, some hay? Any grain? Thanks, Hope
Feed and Credit cards
This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all ~ Interesting views on nutrition lately. It has been fascinating. We are still in the no-Alphalfa, no-Beet-pulp camp. Also, we have branched out into the weird world of credit cards. We recognize that horses and semen are costly items. In order to make things easier for everyone, we have tried to be very flexible in terms of payment plans, etc, and have appreciated it when others have done this for us. But we decided that another way to expedite purchases and sales might be to set ourselves up to accept Visa and MasterCard payments, so we have done that. It's approved, but on the web page yet. We have investigated thoroughly [those of you who know Doug will understand just what "thoroughly" means] and will have the same security as other web purchasing set-ups. We are interested in your feedback about this venture. Is this a feature that any of you might find helpful? Thanks, Peg Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
Senior horse feed
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dear jean, i hope your boy starts feeling better. i second or third all of the advice about the senior feed, beet pulp and oils. but if he really won't eat some of the stuff, add some molasses. they love it! what did the vet say about the added weight with the founder? what does she/he think the reason for the weight loss is? denise
Blue Seal Vintage Senior horse feed
This message is from: "Sue Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >What can I feed him to improve his weight yet not over >burden his system? Would wheat germ oil help? Is >bran to hot? Jean Dear Jean.My old mare, "Duchess" was also losing weight a few years back. The vet told me to feed her "Blue Seal Vintage Senior" as a complete diet. She was also given fine hay to chew on or alfalfa cubes softened in hot water (About a quart or so)tho this was just to give her something to do as the senior feed was a complete ration. She was an 850 pound P.O.A. standing 13.3 hh, and she was given 24 cups of the senior feed twice dailywith a bit of grass hay or softened alfalfa at noon or even some of her senior ration if the hay was too coarse. She put on weight in a matter of weeks...in fact when she passed away last February she was still a good weight. Make sure the senior feed you use is a complete ration though. I believe it was 16 % protein. Duchess's teeth were her problem. This feed could even be softened with water if need be, although she could eat this extruded pelleted dry food just fine the way it was. Just follow the instructions on the bag and be sure to start increasing the ration gradually till he is on it completely. Duchess ate a 50 pound bag of it in 5 to 7 days. I highly recommend the Blue Seal. It should be available in your area. Let me know how you make out. These older horses are so precious. Sue in N.B. (Desert Storm's mom)
Re: Feed change
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/22/01 11:00:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I read that also in the Herald the same day the colic happened. I guess I'm > just a little slow. 5 other horses had no problem but I cut their hay amount > for a while to make sure they are used to it. Bill Kelley > So how's he doing today? I remember you said he'd not be out of the woods till Sunday. How traumatic, the after surgery emergency! Poor guy. During his recovery phase, I'll be sympathizing with you. Years ago my little arab had surgery to remove enteroliths. Handwalking daily till he was strong enough and healed enough to be turned out. Pamela
RE: Feed change
This message is from: "William Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I read that also in the Herald the same day the colic happened. I guess I'm just a little slow. 5 other horses had no problem but I cut their hay amount for a while to make sure they are used to it. Bill Kelley -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 3:02 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Feed change This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/21/01 9:14:11 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << The distended colon was probably caused by too much of a new batch of hay we just bought.It had not twisted yet but was headed that way. >> Good to hear that Henry is on the mend. Interesting that I was just reading my new Fjord Herald ( just arrived with the evaluation book ! ) and there is an article on the most comman causes of colic. Top of the list was a change of hay. Never would have thought that it would be so far up there. Continued healing thoughts for your Fjord.Lisa Pedersen
Feed change
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/21/01 9:14:11 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << The distended colon was probably caused by too much of a new batch of hay we just bought.It had not twisted yet but was headed that way. >> Good to hear that Henry is on the mend. Interesting that I was just reading my new Fjord Herald ( just arrived with the evaluation book ! ) and there is an article on the most comman causes of colic. Top of the list was a change of hay. Never would have thought that it would be so far up there. Continued healing thoughts for your Fjord.Lisa Pedersen
feed
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 3/31/01 1:04:59 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Please let me assure you, in the Midwest anything other than alfalfa is considered "special feed". >> Same thing in CA. and UT. All we have ever fed in 20 + years of horse keeping.Lisa * whos surrounded by tons of beautiful alfalfa fields here in Cedar City * 71 today.
Re: Senior Horse Feed
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sue thanks for the info re senior horse. My question is not covered in the directions. As I let my big Trakehner have all the alfalfa and local hay he can eat what amount of senior do I feed? He is really not ready for senior but has been reacting to the sarcoid shots and two episodes of colds since. So I am trying to beef him up. I think the way it is going now may be okay with just about 4 to 5 pounds twice a day. Works well in getting the meds in him anyway. Glad to hear your horse is doing so well at her age. Don't know if I can go the distance with this temperamental boy of mine!! Whereas Gunnar at 19 is never ill nor lame, these fjords. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Senior Horse Feed
This message is from: "Sue Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Question for all. I just started senior horse for my big old boy. Jean... I have fed my little POA mare Blue Seal Vintage Senior extruded horse feed for the past 3 years. She gets 24 cups morning and night. The feeding instructions are on the bag. If your senior feed does not have feeding instructions, my advise would be to switch to one that does. Duchess weighs 860 pounds. This senior feed that I am using contains all the seleniun and other vitamins that she needs without the addition of hay. However I do let her have hay also just to chew on. ( Her teeth are bad and she chews most of it up and spits it out.) She also has a salt block. My mare had lost 100 pounds and when I started feeding her this feed, she put on 50 pounds in the first 2 months. She is now about 30 pounds heavier than she ever was and is doing great. She is 32 years old this spring. Just make sure to start your horse in on it gradually and work up to the recommended amount. If you can get hold of Blue Seal, feed it...I highly recommend it. Duchess eats a 50 pound bag of it a week. You can also feed a quart or so of alfalfa cubes softened in hot water if desired although it is not necessary. But supplements are not needed. This feed is so complete you do not need to feed anything else. Our vet told us not to allow her to eat hay as her teeth are poor and he was afraid she might choke. But she knows enough to spit out anything she can not swallow. Sure hope this helps. Sue in N.B. (Desert Storm's mom)
Re: TDI Senior Feed
This message is from: Don & Jane Brackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For those of you in the Northeast, I couldn't find TDI 10 but we do have TizWiz Broodmare, distributed by Blue Seal. The list of ingredients is very close to TDI 10, but has only 8% protein instead of the 10%. I've been feeding it this winter and the horses seem to love it. No weight gain. Jane more snow forcast for this weekend in Maine!
Re: TDI Senior Feed
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I feed TDI 10. Used to be TizWiz Broodmare ration. Low protien, lotsa minerals & vitamins.I use it for all ages, and only give the minimum amount just for maintenance. I believe TDI has a website. Karen McCarthy Great Basin Fjords Carson City, NV _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
TDI Senior Feed
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Happy New Year to Everyone!!! I was given a sample of TDI Senior Feed - does anyone on the list feed this to any of their horses? Comments? Thanks - Linda in Mn - finally, our temps are warming up :)
Fw: feed
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Original Message - From: Denise Delgado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 9:06 PM Subject: feed > listers, > i finally got a tag off a sack of stable mix from my feed dealer. it is > their basic horse chow. they have several others for endurance, race horse, > old horse etc. here are the ingredients from the label > > "feed 1-1/2# of feed per 100# of the horse's body weight each day depending > on the horse's activity level and condition. > guarranteed analysis: crude protein ..9% min > crude fat.2.7% min > crude fiber..32.0% max > ash.12.0% max > added minerals2.0% max > ingredients: mixed grain hay, almond hulls, alfalfa, rice bran, sunflower > seeds, cane molasses, soybean meal, wheat millrun, monodicalcium phosphate, > salt, wheat flour, vitamin e supplement, ground limestone, biotin, > methionine, vitamin a supplement, zinc oxide, manganous oxide, thiamine > hydrochloride, riboflavin supplement, folic acid, thiamine, copper oxide, > vitamin b 12 supplement, potassium chloride, ethylenediamine-dihydrodide, > cobalt carbonate, magnesium oxide." > > i feed this to all of my brood, even the goats. my trainer uses it too as > do other horse type people around here. all the horses are shiny and > healthy. my horses get two and a half scoops a.m. and p.m. the scoops are > those square plastic scoops with the handle, that you get at any feed store. > my youngster gets three scoops. they also get about 1/4 to 1/2 flake > regular grass hay with their feed, for when they get the "munchies." then > the occasional apple, carrots and grocery veggies freebies. denise in > searing, northern calif. > > >
Re: Getting away from sweet feed
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sue, I agree that many horses are over supplemented. If you are feeding a commercial feed (sweet feed, pellets, etc.) then no supplements should be needed as the ration is already balanced. However, if they are just receiving hay, then I don't think it is a bad idea to supplement as hay can sometimes be lacking. Don't depend too much on a mineral block as the amount of mineral obtained this way is negligible. A pelleted supplement is better. Steve White Waterloo, NE
Getting away from sweet feed
This message is from: "Sue Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mary said: >I started reading that good quality hay and pasture is the best thing >you can put into your horses gut. Should you need to up his caloric >intake, plain oats are the best choice. Our vet says they are >starting to see some horses over supplemented - especially selinium. >It is my understanding that you don't really need all the vitamins if >you have GOOD QUALITY hay, plenty of fresh water, perhaps a mineral >block. I have since dropped all the vitamin & mineral suppliments, sweet feed, & biotin. They get salt from the mineral salt block, and I still do use soy meal to give them a nice coat. They are fat and happy & healthy. Thanks so much for all your help. We have had horses for 29 years but this is my first Fjord baby (Yearling). (Who ever heard tell of molasses as a "natural food readily obtainable in the wild anyway?") LOL I also have a 31 year old Appy mare that is fed exclusively Blue Seal Vintage Senior. The other nite guess what I caught her doing!...! She was taking great mouthfuls of "you know what" in her mouth. Durned near grossed me out...and her extruded feed supposed to be loaded full of everything she would need! (She also has fine hay offered as she has only a few teeth) I checked her stall and found she had just a small piece of (red) salt mineral block left so we went immediately and got her a new block. She must have spent 15 minutes at it! Our Fjord, on the other hand, pays little attention to his salt lick. It sure would be great to just feed oats, good quality hay and a salt lick (like in the good old days) Steve: what do you think of this? Sue in N.B. (Where "Strategy" appears to be extinct)
Feed
This message is from: "Louise Cooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Everyone, We recently had a visit from the nutrition expert from Buckeye feeds in Bermuda. He recommended "Grow and Win" for the Fjords. He said it gave them the nutrients they need in the way of minerals and vitamins without overheating or overfattening them. Does anyone else use this or heard of it? Louise Cooke Bermuda Riding for the Disabled.
Re: feed
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My horses get the following: Mare, 7 yrs - 1 cup of whole oats 2x day, pm with vitamins, tsp salt and 1/8 cup soy meal; 2 - 5" wide flakes of hay 2x per day. Yearling gelding - 2 lb coffee can whole oats 2x per day, pm with vitamins, tsp salt and 2/3 cup soy meal; 2 - 5" wide flakes hay twice per day. They live in the woods where there isn't much grass. The hay is just grass hay. They hate trefoil hay. I can feel their ribs, but not see them. Their spine is higher than the surrounding back, but I can't feel the individual bones. If they put on too much weight, the spine is in a depression.
feed
I am interested in information on Fjord horse diets and special feeding practices (other than just the grass hay). Please forward any correspondance your group has had on this subject to me. Thanks. Mary Munson
Re: lost Brian's feed recommendations
This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 02:06 PM 1/27/99 -0600, you wrote: >This message is from: Mark and Ann Restad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hi, I thought i had printed Dr. Jacobson's recommendations for feeding >on 1/23, but I hadn't :( Would anyone be willing to send me a copy at >[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you! I have been enjoying the converstions. >Ann Restad Sent!
lost Brian's feed recommendations
This message is from: Mark and Ann Restad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, I thought i had printed Dr. Jacobson's recommendations for feeding on 1/23, but I hadn't :( Would anyone be willing to send me a copy at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you! I have been enjoying the converstions. Ann Restad
Re: Feed
This message is from: "Jon & Hope Carlson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thank you all for the info on feeding, it brought up questions that I discussed at greater length with "the boys" owners and has helped me get a better handle on good care for when they come home here. I would have loved to see the quadrille, did anyone get it on video? The first time Jon and I saw Fjords was on a PBS program "Up North". The feature story was in MN, about a team, pulling the prettiest wagon, does anyone else remember that show? I've been to a few weekend and one week long clinic with Linda Tellington Jones sister, Robyn Hood. She was a great proponent for feeding both loose salt and minerals, even separate loose minerals. Said they take what they need. If I find a good source I may try it, my other thought is a kelp based supplement would likely work as well along with a plain salt block. Thanks to everyone, Jon and Hope NW of Chicago
