Re: Feeding the chubbies
This message is from: Robin Churchill Technically, horses are supposed to get 1-2% of their weight in good quality, however what their real needs are varies with breed, age, activity level and the individual horse's metabolism. I have 2 fjord gelding that are both 6 years old, 14.2 hands and essentially on the same work schedule of light to moderate riding 4-5 days a week. If I feed them the same, one gains weight and the other doesn't. I am restricted here in Florida by the hay that is available as well since most of it is imported. I usually feed 10-15 pounds of mature Timothy or something they sell as Timothy but I would call some kind of nondescript grass hay plus some local hay either some type of bermuda or pangola. The local hay is generally not as nice and not as palatable and you have to be careful with the bermudas which usually tend to be finer and have an increased colic risk. I only use them because they are lower in calories and sugar and as your horse, my horses seem to always be starving. My pasture is common bermuda because the more nutritious grasses such as bahia won't grow here. The common bermuda is good for the fjords because again it is lower in calories and sugar but it becomes very sparse and dry because of the lack of rainfall in the winter so they usually kind of turn up their noses or worse, dig it up by the roots to get the more tender roots. In the summer when the grass is good, I cut their hay significantly. I try to put the weight tape on them every 2 weeks which generally underestimates the weight by 10-20% depending on the horse and the tape but it gives a trend. I was remiss in doing this recently and waited about 6 weeks and low and behold, my little air fern fjord had gained some weight whereas they other one was exactly the same. My horses get only a handful of low starch feed along with some forage feed called Equisafe plus their supplements. I don't know anything about the type of hay you use but I would think that 20 pounds of hay a day is quite a bit for a fjord and should be plenty for him unless he is in regular hard work. My 17 hand 1470 lb warmblood gets about 25 lbs of hay a day but it is more of a premium timothy and some alfalfa plus some of the lower quality timothy and local hay. He can't maintain his weight without the better hay even if I liberalize his food but I have to be careful because he has EPSM and has had laminitis in the past. I would figure out what you think your horse should weigh and weight tape him regularly and if he is maintaining his weight then he's getting enough. He will likely say he is hungry no matter what he is a fjord. That is what mine do, especially the one who tends toward getting chubby. Every day he complains bitterly for me to hurry with his food at every op[portunity because he is obviously almost ready to faint from weakness. Hope that helps. Cheers, Robin in SW Florida where the good weather is almost over. From: Cindy B Giovanetti To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 3:51 PM Subject: Feeding the chubbies This message is from: Cindy B Giovanetti What are you doing? Cindy Lots of pictures of his fine self here: https://www.facebook.com/LifeWithOden Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Feeding the chubbies
This message is from: Rovena Kessinger So much to know. Thanks! --- On Sat, 3/9/13, Cindy B Giovanetti wrote: From: Cindy B Giovanetti Subject: Re: Feeding the chubbies To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Saturday, March 9, 2013, 6:38 PM This message is from: Cindy B Giovanetti <> Hi Ro, The current thinking is that stressed-out grass is high in sugar and therefore the worst for horses prone to insulin resistance, laminitis, founder, and just plain chubbiness. Stressed out grass is supposed to be the worst right after a rain when it gets a shot in the arm and sprouts up. <> Spring grass can be a problem. Some people use a grazing muzzle or dry lot (a lot with no green growth). I really don't care for either option. It's hard to know how to give our horses a perfect life. :) Cindy Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Feeding the chubbies
This message is from: Cindy B Giovanetti <> Hi Ro, The current thinking is that stressed-out grass is high in sugar and therefore the worst for horses prone to insulin resistance, laminitis, founder, and just plain chubbiness. Stressed out grass is supposed to be the worst right after a rain when it gets a shot in the arm and sprouts up. <> Spring grass can be a problem. Some people use a grazing muzzle or dry lot (a lot with no green growth). I really don't care for either option. It's hard to know how to give our horses a perfect life. :) Cindy Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Feeding the chubbies
This message is from: Rovena Kessinger Hi Cindy. What do you mean about the pasture-- is the pasture not good, the 24/7 not good, or the over-grazed part not good? (Lol you know my difficulties comprehending language since I got into horses. I never understand the subtleties.) Bam-Bam is on snow-covered pasture now, so they aren't eating grass, fed "hay" 24/7 (supplied by facility, I don't know what it is), a small amount of a different kind of "hay" once/ most days that I bring and feedd to my two, and variable quantities of carrots and/or other treats. (I buy at the feed store, just to hopefully give them so variety) I'm a little worried about what's going to happen in the spring, but this is how he lived before I got him too, I mean out in a pasture just eating the grass with other horses, supplemented with hay, so hopefully it will be OK. Oh vitamin and mineral supplements too. I don't know if he is too fat or not, I don't really think so. --- On Sat, 3/9/13, Cindy B Giovanetti wrote: From: Cindy B Giovanetti Subject: Feeding the chubbies To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Saturday, March 9, 2013, 2:51 PM This message is from: Cindy B Giovanetti Those of you who limit your Fjord's feed to keep them from getting obese -- how much do you give them, and what do you give them? Mine gets 20 lbs a day of chaffhaye (which is very low starch/sugar alfalfa) + a couple of handfuls a day of a could-be-fed-free-choice feed (which I use in training) + some supplements. Oh, and plus very overgrazed pasture 24/7 (which I know is not good for IR-prone horses, but it's all I have). He gets the chaffhaye through a slow feeder, but it's still gone faster than I would wish. :( He looks terrific, but he tells me he's starving. What are you doing? Cindy Lots of pictures of his fine self here: https://www.facebook.com/LifeWithOden Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Feeding fjords
This message is from: Gail Russell http://www.google.com/search?q=small+mesh+hay+nets&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a At paddock paradise slow feeder (just google) you will find a chart about all the different types of hay nets. The SMHN (small mesh hay nets) are cheap, but a little harder to fill than the nibble nets. There is a whole culture surrounding the nets and how to fill them. You can almost certainly create a template to fill them and close them. People use smooth lead ropes in place of the ropes provided. They use special carabiners to latch them. They hand them on poles. There are also hay nets that are designed to be hung on perimeter fences. You could easily set one up. There are also ways to net a tub. ALL KINDS OF THINGS. Dave could make a fortune fabricating the "just right" system to go with some of the nets! Look at paddock paradise and READ. I can supplement and answer questions from my e-mail database. Gail Mary can you please provide a link to these haynets? Sounds like a great product. Also very cold here in central Oregon: freezing fog since daybreak and 20? @ 12:00noon Not a hope in H*&@ I will get those frozen biscuits off the ground today! :: Karen McCarthy :: Great Basin Fjords :: Madras, Oregon :: http://www.picturetrail.com/weegees > Subject: Feeding fjords > From: me.k...@yahoo.com > Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:04:41 -0500 > I put on my Christmas want list the Dover hay nets with the small openings. I've been using them for several days now and they are great. > Mary in California and it is COLD! Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Feeding fjords
This message is from: Karen McCarthy Mary can you please provide a link to these haynets? Sounds like a great product. Also very cold here in central Oregon: freezing fog since daybreak and 20° @ 12:00noon Not a hope in H*&@ I will get those frozen biscuits off the ground today! :: Karen McCarthy :: Great Basin Fjords :: Madras, Oregon :: http://www.picturetrail.com/weegees > Subject: Feeding fjords > From: me.k...@yahoo.com > Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:04:41 -0500 > I put on my Christmas want list the Dover hay nets with the small openings. I've been using them for several days now and they are great. > Mary in California and it is COLD! Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Feeding fjords
This message is from: MKint I put on my Christmas want list the Dover hay nets with the small openings. I've been using them for several days now and they are great. Really slow the eating down. The first time I used it my two looked at me like "what are you doing to us?". I went out several hours later and they were still eating away. The next morning the nets are empty! During the day they are turned out so I only use the nets at night when I keep them in there stalls with a turnout pen. I think I'll have a better handle on there weight this way and keep them happy by prolonging their eating time. Mary in California and it is COLD! Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
feeding hay
This message is from: "Debby" >From all of the emails, many of us are trying so very hard to do right by our guys, especially the ones that have issues, IR and/or laminitus. Its definetly a challenge. Its does seem true, fjords and ponies and many other breeds should and could be fed a diet made for horses suffering from IR or laminitus/founder issues, and they'd do quite well. We do so much for these that we love, the soaking, the testing, the special foods that we look here and there to find, just to keep them healthy and happy, as it makes us happy. Happy New Year to all. Hugs to the ponies. Debby p.s. thank you for best wishes and prayers for my missing sister. A friend from the list mentioned Jen would be included in her prayer circle, and I'm thankful. My other sister who is losing her home is a positive thinker, not that she hasn't had bad days and the day she leaves her house will be a tough one I'm sure... she is very active in her Church and has many friends. I appreciate any and all prayers for both of my sisters, and prayers that the police/detectives will find some clues, we seem to have run out of them. thanks all. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Feeding/Dry lots
This message is from: Karen McCarthy Many times horses get pretty creative using more than their mouths to get food out of a haynet. Hang 'em high! kmac :: Karen McCarthy :: Great Basin Fjords :: Madras, Oregon :: http://www.picturetrail.com/weegees > From: kathl...@pookiebros.com > Subject: Re: Feeding/Dry lots > Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 14:02:10 -0400 > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > > This message is from: Kathleen Prince > > > May I ask what feeding from a hay net has to do w/the horse being > shod or not? > -- > Kathleen Prince > kathl...@pookiebros.com > > Pookie Bros. Pet Sitting > Professional Pet Care In Your Home! > http://www.pookiebros.com > > > > On Oct 7, 2010, at 1:13 PM, Gail Russell wrote: > > > This message is from: Gail Russell > > > > > > If a horse is unshod, Millers or Smith Bros Small Mesh Hay Nets > > (Google Small Mesh Hay Net) are an excellent way to keep a horse > > eating. Or, more user friendly, are the Nibble Netsget a large > > one. The Nibble Net holes are small enough they should be fine > > with a shod horse. > > Gail > > > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Feeding/Dry lots
This message is from: Gail Russell The Small Mesh Hay Nets have holes in them that are big enough for a horse to get the tail end of the shoe caught in them. Gail Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Feeding/Dry lots
This message is from: Kathleen Prince May I ask what feeding from a hay net has to do w/the horse being shod or not? -- Kathleen Prince kathl...@pookiebros.com Pookie Bros. Pet Sitting Professional Pet Care In Your Home! http://www.pookiebros.com On Oct 7, 2010, at 1:13 PM, Gail Russell wrote: > This message is from: Gail Russell > > > If a horse is unshod, Millers or Smith Bros Small Mesh Hay Nets > (Google Small Mesh Hay Net) are an excellent way to keep a horse > eating. Or, more user friendly, are the Nibble Netsget a large > one. The Nibble Net holes are small enough they should be fine > with a shod horse. > Gail > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Feeding/Dry lots
This message is from: Gail Russell If a horse is unshod, Millers or Smith Bros Small Mesh Hay Nets (Google Small Mesh Hay Net) are an excellent way to keep a horse eating. Or, more user friendly, are the Nibble Netsget a large one. The Nibble Net holes are small enough they should be fine with a shod horse. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
feeding
This message is from: Robyn Kevlin When I got my mare in late August, she was... 'portly'. Since we had a Haflinger/TWH that was also chubby, we put the two of them in a smallish dry lot during the day and let them into a good-sized pasture at night. (I had read that the sugars in grass are lower at night.) The pasture is mostly weeds, with enough grass to keep them walking most of the night. They also started getting worked more than they had been (not hard, just more), so they slimmed down a little. The only thing we noticed was that if we take them for a trail ride late in the afternoon (before they are turned out), they are VERY aggressive about grazing on the trail. It is a constant battle to keep their heads away from the grass, tall weeds, tree leaves, etc. I'm getting quite the upper body work-out, LOL! At turn-out time, they will also nearly knock you down on their way out of the paddock - Gaven has shown promise as a jumper, because she doesn't want to wait until the lines are all the way down. She jumps a good two feet over the wires. ;0) Now that the grass has completely died, they have a round bale of grass hay in the pasture at night. They get a (literal) cup of crimped oats in the morning, to get them to come up into the dry lot for the day. So far, both are maintaining what I think is a reasonable weight. Robyn Kevlin Be who you are, because the people who matter don't care and the people who care don't matter. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
feeding fjords
This message is from: "Debby" Mine are doing good around the barn and one turnout left open they have access to. We've kept it mowed. I feed them their mineral/vitamin supplement in the morning, no hay, they just go out. If its cold, I'll take some chopped forage, mix a few handfuls with fairly warm water, to warm their bellies, and then out all morning. I do put a bit of hay, grass, out for them but they aren't interested in it. Then they come in at lunch, stalls with runs that are very sparse...but the older one will go out and walk around and pick. The younger one usually naps. A few hours later, I will go out, give them their hoof supplement which is a pellet and some other supplements, and then a bit of forage and a half a flake of hay. Then at dinner time, their other half of the mineral/vitamin supplement and a full flake of hay, maybe a bite of forage with warm water if its getting cool. I usually then put some loose salt and loose mineral in their feed bins at that time, and they will have cleaned it up through the night. My husband goes out at 9pm and gives them a flake of hay, and closes the door to the runs. So they have it fairly good as their food is split over many feedings through the day. We get up early, 6am is early for us, and they are now going out in the dark. I'm glad I'm not feeding any grain anymore. I feed good quality hay, so if I need to increase weight I do it through hay or if I need to decrease weight I do it through hay. The forage is low starch, 9% I think, and its easier for me to get than beet pulp, which has to soak for longer periods and can't find one here that isn't molasses. I do feed 1/2cup of horseshine a day too, with the hoof supplement. With the fjords, I seem to have to watch daily, at their weight. I'd not have them on a dry lot for that many hours with nothing to eat. I don't think its good for tummies to be empty that long. If he needs to lose weight, then I'd find some older hay that is clean, not weedy or moldy, dusty, musty, and let him have it while in the dry lot. I think you'd need to be careful to feed him hay that isn't stemmy. This time of the year they tend to drop their water intake and one needs to be careful about impactions. You might feed him a bit of good hay mixed in with some older good hay at first. Then give him the remainder of the better, newer hay while he's in his stall. Mine inhale their hay too, just hurry and feed so I don't get the "feel sorry for me" eyes. My Ynde is spoiled, she LOVES warm water to drink, especially when its getting cooler. Debby in Tx Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Fjord Feeding Now
This message is from: Kathleen Prince My mare was also getting pushy when I put them back on the T & A hay for a few weeks. She just couldn't wait to get in and get the "good stuff"! I was relieved when the vet reprimanded me and said get her back to the boring Coastal hay. Cass actually refused to eat the hay for about a day and a half hoping to get the good stuff but she finally realized she wasn't. They are funny! -- Kathleen Prince kathl...@pookiebros.com Pookie Bros. Pet Sitting Professional Pet Care In Your Home! http://www.pookiebros.com On Oct 5, 2010, at 11:05 PM, Diana Calder wrote: > >> Have any of you had experience with Fjords getting agressive when >> you take >> away grazing time or food? >> >> Debbie >> > > One of our two has ended up losing his limited grazing time the > last few > times we've tried giving him some because he gets very pushy & > aggressive > when he *thinks* it's time for him to have some more grass. After > we cut him > off again, he'll stay a bit - well, cranky - for a while but then > he'll let > it go and start behaving himself again. If yours has been on grass > for a > long time, it could take quite a while for him to get used to the new > routine. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: fjord feeding
This message is from: Michele Noonan Our feeding program is much easier than the ones listed.. We carefully go out twice a day and show them a picture of lush grass or hay.. ! They are like me,, just let me smell the cookies and I gain weight, Lovin the Fall weather here in Western Montana Michele Noonan Wild Hair Ranch Stevensville, MT Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Fjord Feeding Now
This message is from: Diana Calder On 5 October 2010 19:13, Debbie Hunt wrote: > > I recently reverted to dry lot for my 6 yr. old gelding. He is overweight > and I board him. Muzzles did not work. He destroyed three. After good advice > from this forum, we started dry lot one week ago. He is not happy! He is dry > lot 17 hrs and in his stall 7 hrs. He has a major attitude problem now with > the new routine. I am hopeful this will get better soon. > > Have any of you had experience with Fjords getting agressive when you take > away grazing time or food? > > Debbie > One of our two has ended up losing his limited grazing time the last few times we've tried giving him some because he gets very pushy & aggressive when he *thinks* it's time for him to have some more grass. After we cut him off again, he'll stay a bit - well, cranky - for a while but then he'll let it go and start behaving himself again. If yours has been on grass for a long time, it could take quite a while for him to get used to the new routine. If his dry lot &/or stall is suitably set up for it, you could try giving him one of those food-dispensing toys with something like Equalizer or timothy cubes in it to keep him busy for a while. You could also try slowing him down by using a small-mesh haynet. We're using one when we go to horse shows - made a big difference in how fast they went through their hay. They weren't too happy with it at first but mostly got used to it, though they still occasionally get frustrated. I went for the 1.5" mesh size of the NibbleNet - in retrospect, the 2" might have been a better choice as it would still have slowed them down but possibly been a bit less frustrating. I see there's a new NibbleNet that has both size openings, which might make a happy medium. I have also used the Nibble-n-Go with our mare when she had to be kept shut in during the heat of summer days due to insect allergies. I'd hoped that it would keep her occupied & keep her mind off itching once she finished the rest of her hay. It was a mixed success - our stalls don't have tall/solid enough walls to prevent her from tossing it somewhere that she couldn't reach it when she got frustrated. It also took her about two seconds flat to figure out that she could plant one hoof on it to hold it still while eating, so the fact that it wasn't tied down didn't work to slow down her eating any more than the small mesh alone did. I'd definitely suggest trying to find some way to spread his eating time out more. Since he's boarded, it probably makes it much more difficult to have him fed small servings a few hours apart, so a small mesh haynet might be your most practical solution. And/or maybe you could get some several-year-old hay that has very little food value but lots of chewing value so that you can give him it in addition to his regular ration. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Fjord Feeding Now
This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com I have two Fjords that are 33 and 35 years old and to keep weight on them I have to feed them Nutrena Senior Life, about 5-6 lbs daily to Stella, 33 and about 4-5 lbs to old Bjarne, 35. Both started to lose weight dramatically about age 28 when on the mostly brome hay only diet, and my farrier suggested I feed the Senior feed as they weren't able to get the nutrients out of the hay like they did when they were young. I now feed the senior feed plus joint supplements and about a cup of Omega Horse shine, a stabilized flax supplement and I feed it wet, as a soft mash. Both had their teeth done by a good horse dentist, and still have all their teeth, but they are worn down pretty well, but they still eat hay very well. The dramatic improvement in their condition when I added the senior feed make me hopefull that they may live a few more years! Old Bjarne already has a beautiful thick coat, as he has always started to shed his summer coat the day after summer solstice and now has a coat thicker than some fjords down south ever get. When it is extremely cold here I increase the hay, but not the senior feed. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, 45 degrees today. > I might mention that we NEVER feed sweetened grain either, > which is the equivalency of feeding children a steady diet of candy. (junk > food) > Plus, sweet grains mold very easily, and moldy grain, or hay, can be DEADLY > for a horse. > Sometimes the grain appears okay as the mold is not yet discernable! > > We do occasionally feed straight oats, youngsters, working, elders, but not > routinely for every Fjord. Nature's fare, and exercise, is usually always > better, > as we humans are discovering more and more. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Fjord Feeding Now
This message is from: Debbie Hunt I recently reverted to dry lot for my 6 yr. old gelding. He is overweight and I board him. Muzzles did not work. He destroyed three. After good advice from this forum, we started dry lot one week ago. He is not happy! He is dry lot 17 hrs and in his stall 7 hrs. He has a major attitude problem now with the new routine. I am hopeful this will get better soon. Have any of you had experience with Fjords getting agressive when you take away grazing time or food? Debbie --- On Tue, 10/5/10, ruth bushnell wrote: > From: ruth bushnell > Subject: Re: Fjord Feeding Now > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 12:42 PM > This message is from: "ruth bushnell" > > > > > This message is from: Melinda Schumacher > > > > > I worry if my horses are 12 hours in a stall with no > forage that their risk > > of colicking increases. I don't like to go > longer than 4 hours without > > forage in front of them. No one has told me that > specificallyI guess > > you could say that is "my gut feeling". :) > > > > Melinda > > > > I'M NOT an expert on the equine digestive system, but can > share > what has worked well for us. ALWAYS have 24/7 water > available.. GOOD > quality horse hay (or pasture) apportioned, and free choice > salt blocks. We > NEVER stall a horse so they have freedom of movement 24/7. > A > horse professional here believes that colic and compaction > stem > from stalling, which stands to reason-- exercise > all-important for any living thing. > > I might mention that we NEVER feed sweetened grain either, > which is the equivalency of feeding children a steady diet > of candy. (junk food) > Plus, sweet grains mold very easily, and moldy grain, or > hay, can be DEADLY for a horse. > Sometimes the grain appears okay as the mold is not yet > discernable! > > We do occasionally feed straight oats, youngsters, working, > elders, but not > routinely for every Fjord. Nature's fare, and exercise, is > usually always better, > as we humans are discovering more and more. > > I imagine, Melinda, that it is entirely possible to > overload a Fjord's digestive > system by continual feeding--they are totally reliant on us > for their eating > restraint. You might discuss this with your vet, or contact > your university animal > science department for their opinion. Be sure and mention > their pony > metabolism, altogether different than, say, an Arabian. > > Ruthie, nw mt US > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Fjord Feeding Now
This message is from: "ruth bushnell" This message is from: Melinda Schumacher > I worry if my horses are 12 hours in a stall with no forage that their risk of colicking increases. I don't like to go longer than 4 hours without forage in front of them. No one has told me that specificallyI guess you could say that is "my gut feeling". :) Melinda I'M NOT an expert on the equine digestive system, but can share what has worked well for us. ALWAYS have 24/7 water available.. GOOD quality horse hay (or pasture) apportioned, and free choice salt blocks. We NEVER stall a horse so they have freedom of movement 24/7. A horse professional here believes that colic and compaction stem from stalling, which stands to reason-- exercise all-important for any living thing. I might mention that we NEVER feed sweetened grain either, which is the equivalency of feeding children a steady diet of candy. (junk food) Plus, sweet grains mold very easily, and moldy grain, or hay, can be DEADLY for a horse. Sometimes the grain appears okay as the mold is not yet discernable! We do occasionally feed straight oats, youngsters, working, elders, but not routinely for every Fjord. Nature's fare, and exercise, is usually always better, as we humans are discovering more and more. I imagine, Melinda, that it is entirely possible to overload a Fjord's digestive system by continual feeding--they are totally reliant on us for their eating restraint. You might discuss this with your vet, or contact your university animal science department for their opinion. Be sure and mention their pony metabolism, altogether different than, say, an Arabian. Ruthie, nw mt US Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Fjord Feeding Now
This message is from: Melinda Schumacher I worry if my horses are 12 hours in a stall with no forage that their risk of colicking increases. I don't like to go longer than 4 hours without forage in front of them. No one has told me that specificallyI guess you could say that is "my gut feeling". :) Melinda On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:40 AM, ruth bushnell wrote: > This message is from: "ruth bushnell" > > > > Of course pasture is overly rich in the springtime and should be timed, but > this time of year we allow all day browsing because the grass is mostly > dormant. > We run them out mornings, back in evenings.. they look great. (never feed > at night) > It's too easy to overfeed a Fjord. > > Ruthie, nw mt US Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Fjord Feeding Now
This message is from: "ruth bushnell" This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com> So how big is a flake: are they consistent? what weight? And what kind of hay? I have found that "flakes" vary in thickness and weight from bale to bale. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska , still moderately warm for October at 55 degrees! THAT'S absolutely right, Jean.. about the only way to know is to weigh your portions. I might add that portions also depend on the individual Fjord, also their circumstances-- youngsters require more, and sometimes elders do too. We feed more in cold weather too, or if they're worked hard. There is no "one-portion-fits-all".. best to keep an eye on their waistline. Of course pasture is overly rich in the springtime and should be timed, but this time of year we allow all day browsing because the grass is mostly dormant. We run them out mornings, back in evenings.. they look great. (never feed at night) It's too easy to overfeed a Fjord. Ruthie, nw mt US Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Fjord Feeding Now
This message is from: Kathleen Prince We are in Florida and my 2 fjords have access to a 5 acre pasture but it's mostly coastal & bahia grass w/weeds. Since my mare started having allergies in the summer they started coming into the barn during the night instead of having 24 hour access to the grass. I feed coastal hay, (probably 2 flakes 2x day) especially since getting reprimanded by my vet when I was feeding T & A again for a bit. She said my girls are overweight and do not need that alfalfa! My mare (who's 11) only gets a supplemental feed called Equalizer at .5 lb 2x a day. Her filly (who's 2) is getting Seminole Wellness Safe & Lite at 1 lb. 2x a day. Since our weather's finally turning a bit cooler we can start some work and exercise again. -- Kathleen Prince kathl...@pookiebros.com Pookie Bros. Pet Sitting Professional Pet Care In Your Home! http://www.pookiebros.com On Oct 5, 2010, at 2:27 AM, jern...@mosquitonet.com wrote: > This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com > > > So how big is a flake: are they consistent? what weight? And what > kind of hay? I > have found that "flakes" vary in thickness and weight from bale to > bale. > > Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska , still moderately warm for October at 55 > degrees! Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Fjord Feeding Now
This message is from: Carol Makosky I believe a general flake measurement is 4", but I know that varies all the time. I know some of my bales are heavier than others and I'm talking about small squares of mostly a good grass hay. My hay might have some very small amounts of alfalfa & or clover in a bale at times and my supplier always informs me of that. In the very cold winter months, I do feed a bit more & check for her ribs under that thick coat from time to time. I also feed a soup size can of sweet feed with her supplement each day year round and a cob or two of corn in the winter. I can't tell you the weight as that is one thing I've not bothered with. On 10/5/10 1:27 AM, jern...@mosquitonet.com wrote: This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com So how big is a flake: are they consistent? what weight? And what kind of hay? I have found that "flakes" vary in thickness and weight from bale to bale. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska , still moderately warm for October at 55 degrees! I feed 3 flakes a day with no pasture time& two flakes day with up to 4hr of pasture time. One must take into consideration that my pasture is just the rather poor type lawn grass& mostly weeds. She seems to thrive quite well on this, but then she is not a hard working Fjord. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f -- "God forbid that I should go to any heaven in which there are no horses." R.B. Cunningham Graham Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin Home of Heidi, The Wonder Pony Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Fjord Feeding Now
This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com So how big is a flake: are they consistent? what weight? And what kind of hay? I have found that "flakes" vary in thickness and weight from bale to bale. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska , still moderately warm for October at 55 degrees! > > I feed 3 flakes a day with no pasture time & two flakes day with up > to 4hr of pasture time. One must take into consideration that my > pasture is just the rather poor type lawn grass & mostly weeds. She > seems to thrive quite well on this, but then she is not a hard working > Fjord. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Fjord Feeding Now
This message is from: Melinda Schumacher My horses are on pasture 12 hours per day with 2 flakes of hay overnight. I find that the more they are out, the more exercise they get, so they can handle the additional grassit seems to balance out. They also get 1 measuring cup of Strategy twice a day, plus Strongid C 2X daily. Melinda Granville OH On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Carol Makosky wrote: > This message is from: Carol Makosky > > > I feed 3 flakes a day with no pasture time & two flakes day with up to > 4hr of pasture time. > > >> Just curious to know how much hay/pasture you're all feeding your Fjords >> now with the arrival of Fall. >> Thanks! Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Fjord Feeding Now
This message is from: Carol Makosky I feed 3 flakes a day with no pasture time & two flakes day with up to 4hr of pasture time. One must take into consideration that my pasture is just the rather poor type lawn grass & mostly weeds. She seems to thrive quite well on this, but then she is not a hard working Fjord. On 10/4/10 12:57 PM, Moira Sambey wrote: This message is from: Moira Sambey Just curious to know how much hay/pasture you're all feeding your Fjords now with the arrival of Fall. Thanks! Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f -- "God forbid that I should go to any heaven in which there are no horses." R.B. Cunningham Graham Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin Home of Heidi, The Wonder Pony Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
feeding alfalfa
This message is from: "Debby" I'd love to feed alfalfa. Its good for tummies. It warms them up in the winter and it encourages them to drink more water. I've tried with mine but its just too rich. They love the stuff! I'd have loved to feed it to my small pony who I lost last year, just a bit...for the tummy. The stress of having to stay in because of chronic founder. He was fine on soaked and rinsed hay though, and they all like the lowstarch forage I give as part of their hay. I think unless one is really working their "ponies", then they will put on the lbs very easily. And its different within the breed itself. But I look through my fjord herald, at all of the beautiful fjords, and very few look as if they've missed a meal or two. I think its like my little pony, they were meant to be out on rough ground, having to move to find their food, and none of it fertilized and well taken care of like lots of our pastures. Its a challenge for me to walk away from the barn and not throw them another "bite" of hay. Debby in Tx Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Feeding a colt under training
This message is from: Sarah Clarke alfalfa alone is a very complete food for a fjord. the problem is that it's calcium phosphorus ratio is way to much toward Ca. You need to supplement phosphorus, especailly if your colt is not done growing. Other wise the alfalfa has plenty of carbs, protein, vitamins fat and TDN. --- On Sat, 3/6/10, Steve Sessoms wrote: if I switch Arlo over from Bermuda to alfalfa and have him on Safe Choice for a pellet feed, is that good enough or should I add or change to another feed for balanced nutrition? Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Feeding a colt under training
This message is from: "Steve Sessoms" I have finally found a trainer who is endorsed by two friends and is near enough I can just hop in the car and visit my pony on a whim. The trainer feeds alfalfa and works them fairly heavily once he has them understanding that their job is to do some work for us. So ... if I switch Arlo over from Bermuda to alfalfa and have him on Safe Choice for a pellet feed, is that good enough or should I add or change to another feed for balanced nutrition? Thanks for any input. Meredith Sessoms Tooksend Norwegian Fjordhorses Moulton AL USA Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Feeding fjords
This message is from: katesei...@aol.com I bought the Taylor Precision 30504106T Industrial Hanging Scale from Amazon.com ($13.00). Weighs up to 55 lbs, which is fine for me since I am just doing flakes, not the whole bale. I hung it from a rafter next to my hay bales using that old stand-by - baling twine. I use a muck bucket hanging from another section of baling twine to the weigh hook - but I like that idea of using a laundry basket! Kate *** In a message dated 4/30/2009 12:04:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, middleagespr...@rconnects.com writes: What do you all use for a scale I'm guessing some sort of a hanging scale but would love more detail on how you do it. **Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219491521x1201306563/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.double click.net%2Fclk%3B214102108%3B35952091%3Bs) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Feeding fjords
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah > spiek...@isu.edu wrote: > > Use a bathroom scale if you don't have anything else.� get on the scale, > weight yourself.� get off and pick up your� hay ration and get back on.� The > weight of the hay, within about a half pound, is the difference between the > two. Before anyone relies on that method, I would strongly recommend that they first check how accurate their bathroom scales are in that mode! We got an Aussie puppy this year, so I was weighing her regularly. At first, I just put her onto our bathroom scale, and that was fine. One day, she was being wiggly, so I picked her up, weighed us, then weighed me. The difference was 15 lb, which was significantly less than she had weighed the previous week, so I managed to get her on the scale alone---21 lb! Being of a scientific bent, I got an unopened 15-lb bag of puppy kibble, weighed it on a good kitchen scale (15.5 lb), weighed it alone on the bathroom scale (16 lb), and by the delta method (12 lb). Obviously, my scale is not "linear" in its response to weight. Your mileage may vary Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- han...@ai.sri.com anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Feeding fjords
This message is from: spiek...@isu.edu - Original Message - From: Barbara Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:19 pm Subject: Re: Feeding fjords To: Fjord Horse Horse Use a bathroom scale if you don't have anything else. get on the scale, weight yourself. get off and pick up your hay ration and get back on. The weight of the hay, within about a half pound, is the difference between the two. I don't get that elaborate. I have the weigh bill from the hay delivery, divide it by the number of bales which gives an average weight per bale. You do not have to be exact every day, just as you do not eat the exact same thing each day. Obviously doesn't work on the round bales. Just make sure that no-one is looking over your shoulder and the scale is on a flat surface. > Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Feeding fjords
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah > Barbara wrote: > > on this weighing of hay. What do you all use for a scale I'm > guessing some sort of a hanging scale but would love more detail on > how you do it. Barb Midddleage Spread Eagle Creek OR I have done it a couple of ways. I first got a baby scale, which had a 25-lb capacity, and sort of a "cradle" on the top. I sometimes just laid a flake of hay on it, or put the hay into a xerox-paper box lid, or a paper grocery bag. However, that scale wasn't really robust enough for barn use---the plastic cradle eventually broke, where it attached to the scale. I now use an ordinary kitchen scale, again with 25-lb capacity. I also use a firewood carrier---a rectangle of canvas, maybe 24x48", with 2 dowels in pockets sewn on each end as a handle. I first put the empty carrier on the scale and zero'd the scale to that weight. Then, I add hay to the carrier, and put it back on the scale, adjust the hay, reweigh, iterate. Either of these types of (analog) scales might be had at garage sales. My baby scale had been sitting on the very-top shelf in the hardware store for years, and they were happy to make me a deal on it. The kitchen scale came out of my mother's estate. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- han...@ai.sri.com anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Feeding fjords
This message is from: Karen Keith You can get a fish scale from any sporting goods place (Walmart works). They range from the simple spring operated one to fancy electronic ones. I've had both. The electronic one didn't hold up well in an unheated barn through Colorado winters. I still have the little spring one. I hung the scale from a beam in the barn (baling twine works nicely here). Add a plastic laundry basket suspended from, again, baling twine. Fill the basket with estimated hay, hang the basket via baling twine to the hook on the bottom of the scale and -- voila! -- you've got your hay weighed. The electronic scale allows you to tare the scale with the weight of the basket. The spring one requires you weigh the empty basket and remember its weight, then subtract that number from the weight when filled with hay. As I recall, the difference in price for the convenience is the difference between about $5 and about $40. You decide. Cheers! Karen, Northern VA > Just a quick question on this weighing of hay. > What do you all use for a scale I'm guessing some sort of a hanging > scale > but would love more detail on how you do it. _ Looking for a fresh way to share photos? Get the new Windows Live Messenger. http://download.live.com/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Feeding fjords
This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com when I was feeding hay out of a round bale, I discovered I was giving them about twice what they needed until I started weighing it. I took a large trash bag and cut it open, laid the hay in it and gathered both ends up to hook on the hand held scale. It was a small spring scale that you could weigh fish, or put samll animal in a burlap bag and weigh...I used it in my snowshoe hare study. it has a hook on one end and you can hang it up with the handle on the other end. It worked pretty well. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska > What do you all use for a scale I'm guessing some sort of a hanging > scale > but would love more detail on how you do it. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Feeding Fjords
This message is from: "Sue Clark-Sorger" I weigh all my hay, guessing weight is not one of my talents. My fjords mare, Anniken, who is worked 3-4 times a week, gets 1lb of alfalfa and 10lbs of grass hay, plus 2 cups of crimped oats with her supplements. My gelding, Paul, who gets less work, as he is still young, get no alfalfa and 9lbs of grass hay plus 2 cups of oats and supplements. They get 1 hour a day on pasture this time of year, but how long that will continue depends on our rainfall. I do feed a little more grass hay when the temperature gets below 20 degrees in the winter or if Anniken has been working particularly hard, but all in all they both keep their weight pretty level on the feed I am giving them. The weather here, while still getting down below freezing at night, is in the 70s during the day so I am off to drive my fjord. Have a great day! Sue Sue Clark-Sorger Crown Oak Fjords Sandia Park NM Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
feeding yearling
This message is from: "melissa" Thanks for all the advice Vet was at the barn this am and here are the results: The bales from Hay USA that I buy are good to great(dad hauled hay for years and was taught not to accepted sun bleached as it could be from wet. As she gets more mature will possibly switch to timothy, actually comes from farms my dad hauled off of and 2 are still the same families)so that is off the list...vet weighed the current flakes and because they are the large bales the amount is weighing between 9.5 to 13% of her weight, so with slight weigh variations in bales we are in the ballpark.getting scale to be more accurate at feed time The solid mineral block is extra activity in stall to decrease boredom...got thumbs up on that Her free minerals and flax oil on the 2 quarts oats got a okay until she starts working harder and then we will increase or change as needed. The pasture she is on at the boarding facility, it is agreed will not count as nutritional value, unless the way it is managed ever changes or we move further north. The vet looked at her full winter coat pictures, weight tape measurements over the last year and height records. She was an inch shorter in January! Vet spoke to her previous 2 vets foaling/weanling breeding farm vet and pervious owners vet.I was jokingly referred to as a nervous first time mumthe weight tape difference was the shed out!sooo much hair and being used to daughters slightly fuzzy quarter horse, vet understood why I started questioning myself Wormer and vaccination schedule right on target for our area She is good about time in stall which is only at night and severe weather, she is out on pasture 10-12 hrs right now and that will increase with longer daylight hours We got legs checked and x-rayed. We are allowed to lightly start her on ground driving and long lunge to get the concept and prepare for training.walk and minimal trot right now and no roundpen as they are on the small side and she is not ready for them, but to get used to commands and equipment we are good to gowe also have to slowly work first on tying better and standing longersessions are to be 10-15mins at a time and no more than twice a day for the next 2 months. Final report card is an A Vet will be out in 2 months and farrier back in 5 weeks to balance barefoot trim, so all is good... Comment was right, feels like first check up with firstborn child shsh thought I was over that stuff. Thanks Melissa in Fort Worth TX Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Scottish Fjords/David stewart but related to feeding
This message is from: "Jo Wilgus" We weigh our food. Once we had the measure down correct (we feed pellets) we are able to scoop what is needed. I feel our Fjords are at a proper weight. Jo Wilgus Gavilan Hills, CA Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Horse Feeding Myths and Misconceptions
This message is from: "Cynthia Madden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike, Thanks for this site. It is very interesting and the myth busters are backed by facts. I have bookmarked it for future reference. -- Cynthia Madden Las Cruces, NM personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NFHR: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/cmadden88011 Dogs (and horses, cm) are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole. -Roger Caras Sarchasm (n) The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Horse Feeding Myths and Misconceptions
This message is from: Emily Wigley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That's the best, most concise and helpful info on feeding I've ever read! So much on feeding and nutrition is published by feed manufacturers, and while that's fine for their products, the broader info from this Alberta site is really a big help. This will be a big help for teaching and guiding new horse owners (and not so new ones too!). Thank you! Emily Emily Wigley Fish Bowl Farm • Vashon Island, Washington http://www.fishbowlfarm.com • [EMAIL PROTECTED] • 206-463-5473 Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 09:10:35 -0400 From: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Horse Feeding Myths and Misconceptions This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> There are some interesting sections on this page. It is a Alberta, Canada Government site so I think it can at least be trusted a bit. http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/hrs3243 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Horse Feeding Myths and Misconceptions
This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> There are some interesting sections on this page. It is a Alberta, Canada Government site so I think it can at least be trusted a bit. http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/hrs3243 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Feeding issues
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 09:50 PM 1/22/2008, you wrote: This message is from: Susan Cargill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I also had the opportunity to meet two wonderful women from Michigan who drove down for the Annual Mtg. Both have been involved with the Registry for many years, in fact, it was fun to meet the person who was Registrar prior to Mike May. It really was a great meeting this year as you and others have already mentioned Susan. The 2 that you mentioned from MI were none other than Bernadine Karns & her daughter Ann Crandall. I think both of them post on this list now & then. Ann wasn't the Registrar before me though - Ann was the Executive Secretary for several years while I was still doing this part time. She sent out all of the info for me & did a lot of the membership stuff. I mostly was registering & transferring horses back then. The Registrar prior to me was Shelly Walker who is still a member & lives in Mass. Thanks again to all that attended the Annual meeting. I think there were close to 30 people at the meeting - a record number for us. We did have a nice (but quite chilly) tour of the KY Horse Park also. Thanks also go to Wayne Hipsley for not only organizing that for us but then taking us on the guided tour too. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director & Registrar PO Box 685 Webster, NY 14580-0685 Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Feeding issues
This message is from: Susan Cargill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I had a great time meeting the ladies from South Carolina that organize a wonderful fjord event. Kate and Joe (well, Joe wasn't there) were in attendance. Kate - the reason I feed hay cubes is that I'm allergic to the hay, and the horses and pretty much everything that goes with them. I'd much prefer to use good grass hay because I love the sound of the horses munching on the hay. We did have a wonderful time meeting new people in Lexington at the Annual Meeting - the very enthusiastic contingent from South Carolina made me wish I lived closer so I could attend their fjord event. It sounded like lots of fun. They actually sleep in the barn with the horses so the attendees can sleep in late. I've never attended an event where the organizers are willing to sleep in the barn and take care of my horses so I can sleep in. What luxury. I have some contacts within Nutrena and those who have tried to find it in their area but have not been successful - send me an email privately and I will try my best. Phil Odden mentioned being at the Annual Meeting in Lexington. The Evaluation Committee sponsored a Conference for Evaluators, Board Members, including members of the Evaluation Committee in October at Longtheway Farm. The group reviewed questions that had been presented by evaluation participants, concerns of the evaluators, concerns of the Board and concerns of the Evaluation Committee. As secretary of the Evaluation Committee we compiled lots of questions, concerns and possible changes. The Evaluation Committee has been working since October on these possible changes. Since the Evaluation Committee is comprised of four Board members and Mike May, executive director, it was decided to meet prior to the NFHR Board Meeting. We accomplished a great deal. Wayne Hipsley, a senior evaluator, consulted. I also had the opportunity to meet two wonderful women from Michigan who drove down for the Annual Mtg. Both have been involved with the Registry for many years, in fact, it was fun to meet the person who was Registrar prior to Mike May. The Board of the NFHR has been moving their Face 2 Face around the country and rumors have it they are moving further West next year. If you have the opportunity, join them for the Annual Meeting. You will be most welcome and it will be a fun and informative experience. Susan Cargill - Longtheway Farm P.S. Sandy North, one of the editors of the Fjord Herald and Jeanne Poirer, of Starfire Farm Quadrille fame and an amazing website designer were also in attendance. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Simple feeding
This message is from: "Lois Anne Starr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Folks: Have been following the feeding discussion and have to agree with Eric K. regarding feeding. My philosophy is KISS (Keep It Simple Silly). My guys don't get any supplemental feed because 1. it makes them too hot and 2. they get so fat on it! I am very fortunate in having a very good supply of inexpensive hay (this does not equate with cheap!) that I get in round bales. The bale is kept in a hay yard separate from the dry lot and my 3 are allowed in the hay yard for 2-3 hours each feeding unless we have exceptionally cold weather (like -15 below last night) at which point they get as much as they want. Observation of how long it takes for them to finish a rationed amount of hay (before switching to roundies) has determined how long they access to the "buffet". The hay is an alfalfa/mixed seed and native grasses that my guys have done very well on. They get nice thisck soft winter coats and shed out very slick and shiny in the summer. I do have to reduce their feed times when I am getting fresh cut bales at the beginning of the season because they pork up very fast on it. Once the bales have aged a couple months they are back on their full ration. They also get 12:12 and trace mineral blocks free choice. Sunny, the Appy/Arab is the only one who gets extra feed in the fall as he seems to winter better with a bit of weight on him. Once he is up to the weight I want him at (and he grows his winter coat) he too goes back to just hay for the winter. Sunny's supplemental feed consists of alfalfa pellets, a little COB and beet pellets all very well soaked as a hot mash. Any extra weight left from winter feeding gets worked off in the warmer months so their amounts actually remain pretty consistent throughout the year. So far there have been no skin, allergy or digestive issues. Hooves are in great shape, in fact Sunny has only had one minor trim in 6 years as he has very consistent even wear. Lana and Geier also have slightly longer intervals between trims, about 8-10 weeks, but I think it has to do with our ground here because even they don't have much trimmed off when it is needed. All three have very good hooves and are barefoot on rocky ground with little to no chipping and no cracking. In fact Lana had a front hoof crack when I first got her that has long since gone away. Anyway, I try to keep feeding as simple as possible but I also feel the key is having excellent quality hay preferably from the same origin. I do have to say that in the fall, Sunny seems to have the urge to chew wood for about a month or so. Several people have mentioned putting logs in for them to chew, so I will definitely try that this fall. He doesn't do it at any other time of year. Sorry this is so long... Hope everyone is well and staying warm out there! -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: feeding horses/fjords
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Debby, I have been very impressed by Triple Crown feeds from my research into them. They also make a guaranteed low NSC (low carbs and sugars) chopped grass feed that sounds perfect for the horses that are insulin resistant or that we worry will become IR. Problem is: none of the feed suppliers in my area carry Triple Crown. Bummer. I was feeding all my horses Garlic (a product called EquiGarlic) and Diatomaceous Earth (a product called DE36) and that combo works wonders. although like you, I still have to bug spray my horses. But if I don't feed them the 2 above supplements, I see a huge amount of insects coming around. I just switched to Bug Check because I spoke to DR. Dan the Natural Vet and he is very very sure of himself and his product! He claims it will work BETTER than what I was doing. I am very skeptical, but decided to give it a try just incase he is correct! I have basically switched over to his entire routine based on my conversation with him. He guarantees (a dangerous thing to do!) that my TWH with an allergy to the Culliicioides Fly saliva (i.e. sweet itch or allergy to Gnat bites) will be CURED by the regime he set me up with. I figure I spend so much money on Chinese Herbs and Vinegar and Spirulina etc. etc. that I may as well spend the same amount on his products! I also think that because we have spoken in person, if it doesn't work, he'll be responsive and helpful to figure it out or give me my money back (ha! wishful thinking!) Jen On 1/22/08, Debby Stai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Debby Stai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I feed the Bug Check from the Natural Horse Vet...I've been feeding it for > years now, and although I still have to spray for flies and I have an auto fly > system, I can't stand flies...I do see a difference if I run outand I like > the DE it leavs in the manure... > I don't feed oats, I'd understood them to be high starch and my guys need less > starch...I feed TC Lite, they get about 2lbs a day, the small pony less, but > its made to feed less but gives them the vitamins/minerals they needIt is > a pellet though, for those that don't like pelleted feed...but Triple Crown is > good stuffThey also have a wonderful forage, a grass mix, that has some > vege oil and the Lite grain added to it...you could just feed it and not have > to worry about adding grain > Debby in Tx > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
feeding horses/fjords
This message is from: "Debby Stai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I feed the Bug Check from the Natural Horse Vet...I've been feeding it for years now, and although I still have to spray for flies and I have an auto fly system, I can't stand flies...I do see a difference if I run outand I like the DE it leavs in the manure... I don't feed oats, I'd understood them to be high starch and my guys need less starch...I feed TC Lite, they get about 2lbs a day, the small pony less, but its made to feed less but gives them the vitamins/minerals they needIt is a pellet though, for those that don't like pelleted feed...but Triple Crown is good stuffThey also have a wonderful forage, a grass mix, that has some vege oil and the Lite grain added to it...you could just feed it and not have to worry about adding grain Debby in Tx The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Feeding woes
This message is from: Linda McThoy Patorni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry everyone, but I disagree. I am a great believer in feeding straw for weight control. You just have to do it carefully. The Donkey Sanctuary in England feeds its obese donkeys with barley straw, the most nutritious (of not very nutritious) straw, and it keeps their weight off. If any of you know about the Donkey Sanctuary they really do have experience in nutrition, and this works. Some of them are on 100% straw. I have four donkeys and they get a good share of barley straw along with grass hay. But back to Fjords. I also have mules and two beautiful Fjords and they would gain weight simply looking at hay. So I usually mix straw with their grass and they are healthy and maintain a perfect weight. They are also active and exercised regularly. Don't dismiss the straw idea. I also use straw for bedding because in New Mexico wood shavings don't decompose that easily. No one has died or been ill from sleeping on or eating straw. Linda On Dec 28, 2007, at 7:33 PM, jgayle wrote: > This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I also warn against feeding straw. I prepared a path to my arena > (goes through the pasture) for riders by buying two bales of straw > and strewing it all out. The next day it was almost gone and my > fjordie had impacted. My big near 18 hander was not too comfortable > either. So, several hundred dollars later, I learned never to have > straw on the place. Jean Gayle > > > > > > > > > Author of: > 'The Colonel's Daughter" > Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 > Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press > 7403 Blaine Rd > Aberdeen, WA 98520 > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Linda McThoy Patorni [EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Feeding woes
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I also warn against feeding straw. I prepared a path to my arena (goes through the pasture) for riders by buying two bales of straw and strewing it all out. The next day it was almost gone and my fjordie had impacted. My big near 18 hander was not too comfortable either. So, several hundred dollars later, I learned never to have straw on the place. Jean Gayle Author of: 'The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Feeding woes
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/27/2007 10:27:19 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Who knows about giving unlimited access to straw forage for Fjords. > I've been told that it's good for their intestines and good for their need > to be grazing. > Does anyone do this? If so, does it make a lot of difference in > gaining/losing weight, colic management, behavior etc.? > Ellen. > Hi Ellen ! Personally, I would be very cautious in feeding straw to fjords to help anything. Ours hog down straw like its the best meal on earth and pack their stomach's full given free acess. When we travel, we usually ask ahead to have their stalls UNbedded from straw. Mine do not drink ( much ) when we haul ( even though they have buckets hanging in front of them ) so our fear is to arrive after 10 hours of little hydration and then pack down a dry meal like straw. We feed 3 times a day here. Knowing that horses in the wild graze, and that it is the most natural and a healthier way to feed them, we have dry lot here in S. UT. so every bite they getwe give them. Also, watching wild herds of horses near us, we see how much time is spent traveling and NOT eating, trying to find shelter from sun.moving around to find water, avoiding us watching them ect. It is a mis-conception that wild horses eat 24 X 7. Risking impactions by feeding straw ect. with our borntobepigs Fjords wouldnt be worth the risk IMHO. Good-Luck !Lisa Pedersen / Pedersens Fjords * Cedar City, UT. ** currently feeding 100 + lb. 3 strand bales of a nice orchard grass / alfalfa mix hay, at 9.00 a bale, tarped, not delivered. *** People from Vegas driving up on weekends buying hay at this price and selling it at their tack and feed stores 2 and 1/2 hrs away for 16.00 a BALE. *** Friends in San Fransisco, CA area report hay nearing 20.00 a bale now. ** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Bottle feeding a foal
This message is from: "dfle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I know some of you have had experience with bottle feeding a foal. I had a foal born on December 9 quite unexpectedly in an ice storm (another mare didn't read those books). Not expecting this foal until March, the mare was in a fescue pasture. No milk. We have been bottlefeeding the foal and giving the mare a new product to induce milk production. She is giving some milk, but I am afraid to stop feeding the foal. I feed her every two-three hours. I am going to try to start supplementing her with some foal lac pellets. How long do I need to do this? Is she just spoiled now because mom does have some milk, but her udder looks quite small. She is now 10 days old and I don't want to give up on her now since she is doing quite well. She drinks 1 1/3 cups easily every time I feed her. Rosemary Shome Fjords Ice and snow in Missouri Sent via the WebMail system at cmnt1.c-magic.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
feeding round bales
This message is from: "Debby Stai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have several reasons why I don't like to feed round balesespecially if they just sit out in the weather and are not under coverthey get wet, they get nastyI also have two that would just stand there and eat and eat and eatand get hay belliesI've never used the muzzels, they just worry me as I never turn out with a halter onHow do you stop them from getting sores on the sides of the nose?? Its tough when you board, having done that for the past year. I finally have them with me and have total control...nothing like total control over your horses. We did board at one facility and she wanted to put round bales in my guys turnouts and I said noprimarily she did it as she wanted to save the square bales for in the stallsI was paying ALOT of money, she was trying to figure out how to get more money for less quality care. My guys didn't stay. Debby in Tx The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
feeding fjords
This message is from: "Debby Stai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I feed my guys the Triple Crown lite also...in fact, their forage is supplemented with the same so one can just feed the forage if they likeWith the hay being so hard to come by, the forage has been a life saver for methe horses like it way too muchOne has to be careful to not overfeed it. Debby The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
feeding oat hay/straw
This message is from: "Debby Stai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've never seen any straw that looked good enough to feed to horses, most of it was very brown, and it is so ucky to muck.some of the barns use only straw for bedding, I think because its cheaper than shavings, but seems you have to strip the stalls every day.I have one that would probably eat bad straw and colicI just wouldnt' chance it My guys get fed hay and some alfalfa thrown in, mainly in the winter to encourage them to drink.as they get out to pasture more, I cut out the alfalfa and cut down on hay..which is great as prices are high and finding it is slim I too have fed my older mare equine senior in the winterYou really have to watch these guys, they hair up and its hard sometimes to tell they've dropped weightthat and keeping up with their teeth, which when they get older, can be a challenge...My guys are persnickity, I've seen them turn up their noses to what looked like great hay to me and then eat something that smelled of cows...Triple Crown has a bagged forage, if it hadn't been for that, I don't know what I'd have done, getting hay here in Texas has been a challenge what with the drought the past 2 yrs.and now, the rain won't stop, UGH Debby in Tx The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
feeding corn oil
This message is from: Carol Makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, I have been putting about a qtr. cup of corn oil on the morning feed and am wondering if peanut oil will do the same? We seem to have an excess of it here and I want to use it up. Drove my girls together again yesterday and they just get better all the time. My older mare, Heidi, had plenty of work yesterday and was draggin her butt some towards the end. First it was to church and back, then later in the day it was to the neighbors for an hr. or two of work. I could have gone on forever, but I could see she was saying enough. -- Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin
Re: Feeding Fjords, again
This message is from: "gillgables _" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Mr. Stockwell... I have recieved several E mails intended forthe Fjord folks by mistake. Don't know if it's their internet provider or what, but wanted you to know your E did not get to it's intended recipient. I would LOVE to own a Fjord but can't find any here in Oklahoma . Being from WA state originally and Norwegian to boot, on both sides! I've always dreamed of owning a Fjord or two. I periodically check the Fjord sites which may explain how my E has gotten into the system. Who knows. Respectfully, Susan Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Feeding Fjords, again
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Has anyone on the list fed out bluegrass straw? I'm wondering where to > get it, and if I can feed it just like hay? Don't know about the straw, but around here, we can get "ryegrass pellets", which I assume are a by-product of the grass seed industry in the Willamette Valley. (My guess is that they're made from grass straw and seed cleaner leavings---chaff, weed seeds, etc.) My equines will eat them, but aren't exactly thrilled by them. I make a point of buying slightly over-mature "pasture" grass hay, which has a lot of straw---more chewing satisfaction for the same calories. > On a similar note, I ran across some early clinical trial results that > suggest that horses that are insulin resistant may be lacking in > magnesium. [...] Has anyone used magnesium > for their tubbo ponies? It's too early to tell if it's working for my > mare , I just know that she thinks it's *not* yummy at all. > > Eileen and Jane, who's off all grass :(, in eastern WA About 18 months ago, my vet sort of went down the row of my plump equines (2 Fjord geldings and a standard donkey), chanting "less food, more exercise, and get some magnesium into them". I had heard good things about Quiessence (magnesium and chromium), from Fox Den Equine, so gave it a try. It's expensive, but they eat every crumb of it. My equines have slimmed down noticably, but I can't say for sure what part the magnesium played, as I also cut back on their pasture time. This had the side effect of increasing their exercise, as they spent that "missing" hour pacing the corral fencelines, complaining about Room Service. ;-) The fattest one also has to wear a grazing muzzle for his pasture time. And, I removed Equine Senior from their diets; it was only a cup or so, meant to "motivate" consumption of supplements, but I now use alfalfa pellets, instead---less sugar in their diets. It should be noted that many of the cattlemen in this area supplement magnesium to their stock. In many parts of western Oregon (and undoubtedly Washington), millenia of heavy rainfall has leached many of the minerals out of the soil. The grasses here also tend to accumulate sugar in cool weather---a good strategy for being ready to grow when things warm up, but not good for insulin resistant equines. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
Re: Feeding Fjords, again
This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I haven't used Bluegrass straw. I do use reed canary and that works well for the munch factor without having much food value. In fact when I firs got my Gunnar that's all he would eat but now he likes the timothy alfalfa mix. Around here alfalfa gets fed on a very regulated basis : ) Roberta MN > This message is from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > OK, I don't recall seeing anyone post this question... > > Has anyone on the list fed out bluegrass straw? I'm wondering where to > get it, and if I can feed it just like hay? I'm looking for a really > low-cal hay substitute to fill my mare up.
Re: Feeding Fjords, again
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eileen, We have fed it all this last winter with a little alfalfa thrown in. We have now stopped the alfalfa but still feed the bluegrass straw. Our horses love it! What we have is really soft, small stemmed hay. The horses held their condition great all winter. The only bad thing about it is that it is in 1000 lb bales! We have tractors and have devised a way to feed it but it would really be a problem if we didn't! For the cows we just "drop a bale" off in the pasture as they won't overeat on it. Barb Lynch -- Original message from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: -- > This message is from: > > OK, I don't recall seeing anyone post this question... > > Has anyone on the list fed out bluegrass straw? I'm wondering where to > get it, and if I can feed it just like hay? I'm looking for a really > low-cal hay substitute to fill my mare up. > > On a similar note, I ran across some early clinical trial results that > suggest that horses that are insulin resistant may be lacking in > magnesium. I started Jane on a supplement by MVP called 'X-Carb', > which is a hefty amount of chelated magnesium and a small amount of > chromium, contained in a rice bran filler. Has anyone used magnesium > for their tubbo ponies? It's too early to tell if it's working for my > mare , I just know that she thinks it's *not* yummy at all. > > > Eileen and Jane, who's off all grass :(, in eastern WA
Feeding Fjords, again
This message is from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OK, I don't recall seeing anyone post this question... Has anyone on the list fed out bluegrass straw? I'm wondering where to get it, and if I can feed it just like hay? I'm looking for a really low-cal hay substitute to fill my mare up. On a similar note, I ran across some early clinical trial results that suggest that horses that are insulin resistant may be lacking in magnesium. I started Jane on a supplement by MVP called 'X-Carb', which is a hefty amount of chelated magnesium and a small amount of chromium, contained in a rice bran filler. Has anyone used magnesium for their tubbo ponies? It's too early to tell if it's working for my mare , I just know that she thinks it's *not* yummy at all. Eileen and Jane, who's off all grass :(, in eastern WA
Re: Feeding and Time
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Only that "they are not needed." Jean Author 'The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520
Re: Feeding and Time
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Grass itself, if it is too rich with sugars, can be the culprit in causing laminitis. So be careful letting her graze all she wants. Check out this website: lots of good information. http://www.safergrass.org/ Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, where the grass is just starting to turn green and trees are budding. 70 degrees today! , > I felt her hooves in the spot you told me. I can't find a pulse. I > can't feel her ribs unless I push with my fingers. > I looked at her crest. Beginning and end are thin. Along the manes, the > crest is wide and still pliable but harder and thicker than my QH mare. > (of course she does have thicker mane too) > I will quit the hay and the 1/4 scoop of "mare and foal". This means > she'll only get grass and mineral block. Should I do anything for > vitamins or will a horse do well on grass alone?
Re: Feeding and Time
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You know there are so many ideas about feeding, etc. Please remember I am going on my experience. I would be sure that your girl gets vitamins and minerals. Here we have a shortage of selenium in the soil, and I was surprised to hear my Vet say regular salt block only. I had been using the salt blocks with minerals. So I give a supplement twice a week. I always wonder how wild horses survive without all the additives we give??? Your girl sounds a bit over fed and just keep watching the areas we talked about. Jean Gayle Author 'The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520
Re: Feeding and Time
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ellen, two things, you should be able to feel the ribs, then the crest just below the hair of the mane. It should be soft and pliable. If not then if it is hard be careful. Lastly, if the latter is true, check for a pulse in the pasterns. It is usually found toward the edge on the backside of the area above the hoof. Also, call the Vet if the crest is hard and there is pulse. Some people think Fjords can not founder but they can and they are prone to it because they utilize food so well. Just forget those appealing eyes and hold back the food until mid summer when the grass begins to back off. Grain is not needed except as a treat in spring and early summer. If you are working the horse then grain is okay, moderately. Jean Gayle Author 'The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520
Re: Feeding and Time
This message is from: Linda Lottie User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Marsha JoI am chuckling. At the expo this year I brought my hayand we called it "the crappy hay". It is GREAT because the horses can chew on it all day and not get fat. It is stemy and they have to work hard to sniffout the good stuff, then, they just graze on the rest. My three fjords do great on this stuff...the app and QH - nope, so, they are on senior feed. Weird, huh? Linda in WI On 5/13/06 2:50 PM, "Marsha Jo Hannah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> "Reena Giola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> [...] We measure the horses flake of hay >> by weight [...] each horse is different, so >> each needs a bit different feeding regime, and adjusts say if the >> horse is getting too fat/too thin, etc. Most places I've been at the >> average time for a horse to eat would be about 1 1/2 hours [...] >> [...] so like a horse that is done totally eating in a 1/2 hour, >> to me is NOT getting enough food? >> [...] >> Reena >> who has worked herself into a tizzy. > > Several things are possible. The horse in question may simply be "low > man on the totem pole" who is used to being fed in a herd situation, > i.e. he has learned that he'd better eat as fast as he can, so his > ration is gone before anyone else comes looking for it! > > Another possibility is that the hay being fed is "too good". It's too > easy to chew, so can be eaten very rapidly. In this case, the horse > is probably getting enough calories, but may not be getting enough > "chewing time"---which could lead to chewing up the barn, fences, his > neighbor's tail, etc. IMHO, alfalfa hay falls in this category. > > I deliberately buy grass hay that is a little over-mature and strawy. > To get the same nutrition, I have to feed a little more of it, plus > the coarse texture takes more chewing. I think this is healthier > for them---food goes into the system more slowly, and they can work > at it longer, sort of simulating grazing. > > OTOH, Fjords are really good at making food disappear > > But, yes, the only valid test of "enough food" is whether the animal > is maintaining a good weight on that ration. > > Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! > 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
Re: Feeding and Time
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "Reena Giola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [...] We measure the horses flake of hay > by weight [...] each horse is different, so > each needs a bit different feeding regime, and adjusts say if the > horse is getting too fat/too thin, etc. Most places I've been at the > average time for a horse to eat would be about 1 1/2 hours [...] > [...] so like a horse that is done totally eating in a 1/2 hour, > to me is NOT getting enough food? > [...] > Reena > who has worked herself into a tizzy. Several things are possible. The horse in question may simply be "low man on the totem pole" who is used to being fed in a herd situation, i.e. he has learned that he'd better eat as fast as he can, so his ration is gone before anyone else comes looking for it! Another possibility is that the hay being fed is "too good". It's too easy to chew, so can be eaten very rapidly. In this case, the horse is probably getting enough calories, but may not be getting enough "chewing time"---which could lead to chewing up the barn, fences, his neighbor's tail, etc. IMHO, alfalfa hay falls in this category. I deliberately buy grass hay that is a little over-mature and strawy. To get the same nutrition, I have to feed a little more of it, plus the coarse texture takes more chewing. I think this is healthier for them---food goes into the system more slowly, and they can work at it longer, sort of simulating grazing. OTOH, Fjords are really good at making food disappear But, yes, the only valid test of "enough food" is whether the animal is maintaining a good weight on that ration. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
Re: Feeding and Time
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reena, my Gunnar is on pasture and so gets half a wafer of last years eastern Washington grass hay twice a day. One time a week he gets a small flake of alfalfa as a laxative. I cut back if he gains. I never have felt his ribs, but he is "trim" during this heavy grass season. I think the best measure is "rule of thumb" in the ribs. Jean Gayle Author 'The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520
Feeding and Time
This message is from: "Reena Giola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Since I first got into horses, I was taught how to feed, etc., what to watch out for (signs of sickness). We measure the horses flake of hay by weight (you get pretty good an guessitmating after a while) and that not all flakes are the same and vary from bale to bale.some being heavy and some being lighter.. each horse is different, so each needs a bit different feeding regime, and adjusts say if the horse is getting too fat/too thin, etc. Most places I've been at the average time for a horse to eat would be about 1 1/2 hoursbit more to a bit less...that has pretty much been my rule of thumb.. so like a horse that is done totally eating in a 1/2 hour, to me is NOT getting enough food? Can I get some feedback here on YOUR rule of thumb?! Thanks a bunch... Reena who has worked herself into a tizzy.
Feeding time/ decals for sale
This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I too can relate to the stunning account of a Fjord tearing in for supper at the speed of light ...times that by several Fjords and it's downright astounding ...the important thing is to not be so dumbfounded that you forget to let-go-of-the-hay!!! We have some Fjord decals for sale.. we recently made up some logo decals for ourselves from a photo taken by the MirrorK gals in Libby (w/permission) of our stallion, A2Z Thorson. I added a sketch overlay and our print shop lady made the frame. As easy and costly to run a hundred as ten, so we have extras for anyone who wants one. They are 5 inches tall and 4 inches wide... peel and stick. Make nice Christmas Card enclosures. Five US dollars from this email address. Write for photo of decal [EMAIL PROTECTED] or, the photo may also be seen on the Fjord Issues list at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FjordIssues/ or some benevolent soul could tell me how to post it somewhere for easy viewing access? Ruthie and Gene Bushnell http://www.frontiernet.net/~fjords
Re: Feeding cats and skunks
This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Not to worry the cats are fat and happy : )) They do get well fed just not when the sun goes down. They even get to come in for some canned food. The only one that isn't sure about coming in the house is the farrel momma cat so I feed her specially when I am in the barn so she gets her food and not her fat barn mates. What I mean by small amount is what they will eat in a feeding, not left overs for a snack later. If there is any doubt I'll send you a picture of " The Boss" who weighs in at a healthy 13 lbs. ( over weight by veterinary standards. Seems every one is putting on the winter poundage including the Fjords. Roberta MN - Original Message - From: "Sue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Fjord degest" Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 5:43 PM Subject: Feeding cats and skunks > This message is from: "Sue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Just a thought on only feeding cats a small amount and only in the > morning.our barn cats are fed free choice...and yes we did have a skunk. > We discouraged him by putting the cat food in a closed container at night, > taking the dish out in the morning and leaving it out till early evening. > Worked great. The skunk gave up and went away. My theory is cats NEED fed. > It keeps them healthy, and enables them to have the energy to hunt. Cats > will hunt for the pure joy of it...you don't need to half starve them. My > inside cats have caught three mice so far right here in our house. (We have > only one barn cat and he misses a few.) Our yard has little corpses lying > here and there so I know he is also doing his job. > In fact, cats hunt better and have more energy on a full stomach, the same > as you or I would. Please feed your catswith winter coming on, mice > will be scarce and they need the body fat to stay warm. > Sue in N.B. (Storm and Peppy's mom. > > >This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Now worries we're all over this one! Started with policing the area for > >left > >over cat food, clearing out any hiding places ( read that husbands wood > >pile ). We left the radio and lights on last night and fed the cats high > >and > >little. I usually only feed the cats a small amount and only in the A.M. > >but > >I am trying to fatten up a momma cat and it has gotten cold fast so adding > >a > >few calories at p.m feeding. Won't be doing that anymore :)) I have always > >only fed in the A.M due to the dislike of night critters in my barn. My > >brain is slipping!
Feeding cats and skunks
This message is from: "Sue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Just a thought on only feeding cats a small amount and only in the morning.our barn cats are fed free choice...and yes we did have a skunk. We discouraged him by putting the cat food in a closed container at night, taking the dish out in the morning and leaving it out till early evening. Worked great. The skunk gave up and went away. My theory is cats NEED fed. It keeps them healthy, and enables them to have the energy to hunt. Cats will hunt for the pure joy of it...you don't need to half starve them. My inside cats have caught three mice so far right here in our house. (We have only one barn cat and he misses a few.) Our yard has little corpses lying here and there so I know he is also doing his job. In fact, cats hunt better and have more energy on a full stomach, the same as you or I would. Please feed your catswith winter coming on, mice will be scarce and they need the body fat to stay warm. Sue in N.B. (Storm and Peppy's mom. This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Now worries we're all over this one! Started with policing the area for left over cat food, clearing out any hiding places ( read that husbands wood pile ). We left the radio and lights on last night and fed the cats high and little. I usually only feed the cats a small amount and only in the A.M. but I am trying to fatten up a momma cat and it has gotten cold fast so adding a few calories at p.m feeding. Won't be doing that anymore :)) I have always only fed in the A.M due to the dislike of night critters in my barn. My brain is slipping!
RE: Feeding
This message is from: Cynthia Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vanessa, I have a coming two year old (end of August), Starfire Chiron, aka Teddy. This summer he was going through a growth spurt and begin to look a little ribby. I also board a 20 something Arab/Fjord cross, Nigel, who was having trouble holding weight. I also own Tank, a 12 year old Fjord, who has totally the opposite problem. I live in the desert so there is no grazing. They are essentially on an acre dry lot. I experimented with Purina products but find them very expensive plus having different feeding programs for three horses. Teddy was getting the young horse feed and Nigel, the Senior. A friend told me about Nutrena products (which I see you have used) and after researching on the web and talking to the dealer, I decided to try Safe Choice. In comparing young horse and senior feeds, you will see they are not too much different and Safe Choice is in the middle of both. You feed it according to age and weight. They have a detailed feeding chart. I started with 5 lbs a day for Teddy and for Nigel, but have cut them back now to 4 lbs because they started gaining too much weight. They are also fed 10 lbs of good grass hay daily. Feedings are split in two. I am very happy with the results. Both horses are looking very good and not under or over weight. As Teddy continues to mature, I will have to tinker with his portion of pellets but for now the program is working well. I am tape weighing them monthly to monitor any changes. They really like the Safe Choice. Tank gets 1 lb. of Safe Choice (to keep him happy because the others are getting it) and 9 lbs of hay a day. He is still somewhat portly! Hope this helps. -- Cynthia Madden Las Cruces, NM [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/cmadden88011 An unconscious people, an indoctrinated people, a people fed only on partisan information and opinion that confirm their own bias, a people made morbidly obese in mind and spirit by the junk food of propaganda, is less inclined to put up a fight, to ask questions and be skeptical. That kind of orthodoxy can kill a democracy or worse. - Bill Moyers, National Conference on Media Reform St. Louis, Missouri May 15, 2005
Re: Feeding
This message is from: snafflesnshelties <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This message is from: "Vanessa N Weber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Why haven't you put the Fjords on Strategy then if it works on the other horses so well. Do you think it's too rich? Can you tell me more about Purina Omelene and why you are using that? Thanks! Vanessa <<<<<<< . purina had a promotion this spring of "buy two get two free" I had been feeding it to our quarter horse 3 yr old and to the only fjord we own. We felt it was a step up from what we had been feeding some of the horses. Eventually we plan to put all of the horses on the strategy/born to win blend that my daughter seems to prefer. joyce
Re: Feeding
This message is from: "Debbie Ulrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have had my two quarter horses on Strategy and their coats are shiny and they look great. I have just started my Fjord on a Purina product called Born to Win which I can feed a small amount and get protein and vitamins and minerals needed without a lot of grain or adding a mineral supplement. It is a pelleted supplement that can be fed straight or added to feed. I feed a cup in the morning and a cup at night to my Fjord. I am working with a gal who is extremely knowledgeable about horses and she actually came to my farm and saw my horses and talked to me about the hay, pasture, etc. Debbie in MN
Re: Feeding
This message is from: "Vanessa N Weber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Jean, Well we measured the hay today and a flake is 4 pounds. All the Fjords are getting 2 flakes in the morning and in the evening - so 16 pounds a day. That didn't seem to be enough for Zipper. She started losing weight on that even with the Grow Colt. We then put Zipper on Nutrena Complete. She's been getting about 3.2 pounds of it twice a day. Mind this is a pellet, not a grain (unless you classify pellets as grain - which I've always thought of as oats or sweet feed - which may be my mistake.) Zipper has been improving and gaining weight. She has also been wormed, by the way. So if we want her to maintain her weight or gain slightly, how much hay should we be feeding? Do you know anything about Nutrena Complete? Best, Vanessa ---Original Message--- From: Jean Ernest Date: 08/09/05 17:45:48 To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Feeding This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I don't think her recommendations would apply to Fjords, youngsters or no. Sounds WAY to rich for Fjords. I think you could increase the hay, but keep doing what you are doing with the Grow colt and supplements. If he is gaining weight it is working! How much does 4 "flakes" of hay weigh? Go with your gut feelings! Fjords are definitely different than thoroughbreds, quarterhorses, etc! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska hot and sunny! At 04:12 PM 8/9/2005 -0400, you wrote: >This message is from: "Vanessa N Weber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hi Everyone, > >I'm sure you have all discussed this kind of thing before but I wondered if >you would give me your feedback on this situation. > >Recently, as you may recall, I've been a little concerned about Zipper, my >new 2 year old Fjord. After arriving here in late May from New Mexico (I'm >in Connecticut), we fed her primarily hay (2 flakes twice a day) as >instructed. We gave her some pellets to get her daily wormer down. Then it >was suggested that we also use Grow Colt (sp?). > >Zipper began to lose weight. I could see her ribs. So we started giving her >more pellets and she now seems to be coming around. The pellets had a low >protein content as advised by a close friend. I want to say 10% but I'm not >sure. She is currently eating about 6 1/2 pounds of pellets a day over two >feedings. > >Then today the man who runs the barn had someone from Purina come to give a >presentation. The gal was young and not very organized. As a longtime 20 >year dog breeder, I am usually guarded about these kinds of sales pitches - >but never having had to care for all these horses myself, I figured out that >I'd probably learn a lot by attending this - if nothing else. The best part >about the entire experience was finding out how much my horses weighed and >being given a tape measure for height and weight! Zipper currently weighs >760 pounds. > >This gal's goal was to get all of our horses to eat 'Strategy', a >performance food. It has 16% protein and is 1500 calories a pound. She >advised that I transition all three Fjords over to it from what they are >getting now and cut out the Grow Colt for the 2 and 3 year old, and Source >for the 10 year old. The only supplements she feels can be given with >Strategy' are biotin, glucosamine or Athlete for calories. The rep couldn't >give me any advise on the needs of growing horses but could only reiterate >that both 1 year olds and adult horses require 1 to 2% of their body weight >in hay. > >As I said above I am guarded about these sales events. Could anyone please >tell me if this all makes sense to you? I am concerned by: > >1. The discrepancy in % of protein in both feeds. >2. The fact that all supplements are being pulled. >3. The lack of direction regarding growing rates and what this means - if >anything. >4. The lack of attention to the fact that I have traditionally 'thrifty' >horses. This felt like a cookie cutter approach. > >Other comments are welcome. Just remember that for all practical purposes I >am a novice and this is just my gut reaction. > >Many thanks, > >Vanessa N Weber >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Feeding
This message is from: "Vanessa N Weber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Why haven't you put the Fjords on Strategy then if it works on the other horses so well. Do you think it's too rich? Can you tell me more about Purina Omelene and why you are using that? Thanks! Vanessa ---Original Message--- From: snafflesnshelties Date: 08/09/05 18:45:28 To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Feeding This message is from: snafflesnshelties <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> we switched our horses to strategy a year ago and found that not only do their bodies look better and different, but their coats look better. Keep in mind that those horses are quarter horses and one paint. our fjord is getting about 1 1/2 of purina omelene ... um dont remember if it is the 100 or 200. we were also told that we did not need to supplement the strategy. however we never feed the recommended amount on the bag... and we are top dressing the strategy for the bred mares with select 2 and the select mare and foal. Our fjord is awaiting the results of a hair mineral analyses so we are not top dressing his ration with anything except garlic for now. we have always noticed that when our horses are given too much grain, they get 'hot' dont want that!! I like my horses calm. joyce
Re: Feeding
This message is from: snafflesnshelties <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> we switched our horses to strategy a year ago and found that not only do their bodies look better and different, but their coats look better. Keep in mind that those horses are quarter horses and one paint. our fjord is getting about 1 1/2 of purina omelene ... um dont remember if it is the 100 or 200. we were also told that we did not need to supplement the strategy. however we never feed the recommended amount on the bag... and we are top dressing the strategy for the bred mares with select 2 and the select mare and foal. Our fjord is awaiting the results of a hair mineral analyses so we are not top dressing his ration with anything except garlic for now. we have always noticed that when our horses are given too much grain, they get 'hot' dont want that!! I like my horses calm. joyce
Re: Feeding
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> RE: feed supplement and salespeople I am a fjord newbie and my guy (4) is new to me. I haven't raised babies, but sounds like an awfully high protein content. I once met a medical sales person who was tossing out all kinds of erroneous medical info on their product but couldn't answer some general questions on clinical issues. Wasn't trying to put them on the spot, but became clear to me this person was taught a preplanned sales pitch from the company training. When I asked her what her background was prior to selling medical products, found out her sales in jewelry at a dept store qualified her for the job!! I'd do like you...ask on this forum or ask the vet for suggestions. Cheryl in S. cal Vanessa N Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This message is from: "Vanessa N Weber" Hi Everyone, I'm sure you have all discussed this kind of thing before but I wondered if you would give me your feedback on this situation. Recently, as you may recall, I've been a little concerned about Zipper, my new 2 year old Fjord. After arriving here in late May from New Mexico (I'm in Connecticut), we fed her primarily hay (2 flakes twice a day) as instructed. We gave her some pellets to get her daily wormer down. Then it was suggested that we also use Grow Colt (sp?). Zipper began to lose weight. I could see her ribs. So we started giving her more pellets and she now seems to be coming around. The pellets had a low protein content as advised by a close friend. I want to say 10% but I'm not sure. She is currently eating about 6 1/2 pounds of pellets a day over two feedings. Then today the man who runs the barn had someone from Purina come to give a presentation. The gal was young and not very organized. As a longtime 20 year dog breeder, I am usually guarded about these kinds of sales pitches - but never having had to care for all these horses myself, I figured out that I'd probably learn a lot by attending this - if nothing else. The best part about the entire experience was finding out how much my horses weighed and being given a tape measure for height and weight! Zipper currently weighs 760 pounds. This gal's goal was to get all of our horses to eat 'Strategy', a performance food. It has 16% protein and is 1500 calories a pound. She advised that I transition all three Fjords over to it from what they are getting now and cut out the Grow Colt for the 2 and 3 year old, and Source for the 10 year old. The only supplements she feels can be given with Strategy' are biotin, glucosamine or Athlete for calories. The rep couldn't give me any advise on the needs of growing horses but could only reiterate that both 1 year olds and adult horses require 1 to 2% of their body weight in hay. As I said above I am guarded about these sales events. Could anyone please tell me if this all makes sense to you? I am concerned by: 1. The discrepancy in % of protein in both feeds. 2. The fact that all supplements are being pulled. 3. The lack of direction regarding growing rates and what this means - if anything. 4. The lack of attention to the fact that I have traditionally 'thrifty' horses. This felt like a cookie cutter approach. Other comments are welcome. Just remember that for all practical purposes I am a novice and this is just my gut reaction. Many thanks, Vanessa N Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Feeding
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I don't think her recommendations would apply to Fjords, youngsters or no. Sounds WAY to rich for Fjords. I think you could increase the hay, but keep doing what you are doing with the Grow colt and supplements. If he is gaining weight it is working! How much does 4 "flakes" of hay weigh? Go with your gut feelings! Fjords are definitely different than thoroughbreds, quarterhorses, etc! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska hot and sunny! At 04:12 PM 8/9/2005 -0400, you wrote: >This message is from: "Vanessa N Weber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hi Everyone, > >I'm sure you have all discussed this kind of thing before but I wondered if >you would give me your feedback on this situation. > >Recently, as you may recall, I've been a little concerned about Zipper, my >new 2 year old Fjord. After arriving here in late May from New Mexico (I'm >in Connecticut), we fed her primarily hay (2 flakes twice a day) as >instructed. We gave her some pellets to get her daily wormer down. Then it >was suggested that we also use Grow Colt (sp?). > >Zipper began to lose weight. I could see her ribs. So we started giving her >more pellets and she now seems to be coming around. The pellets had a low >protein content as advised by a close friend. I want to say 10% but I'm not >sure. She is currently eating about 6 1/2 pounds of pellets a day over two >feedings. > >Then today the man who runs the barn had someone from Purina come to give a >presentation. The gal was young and not very organized. As a longtime 20 >year dog breeder, I am usually guarded about these kinds of sales pitches - >but never having had to care for all these horses myself, I figured out that >I'd probably learn a lot by attending this - if nothing else. The best part >about the entire experience was finding out how much my horses weighed and >being given a tape measure for height and weight! Zipper currently weighs >760 pounds. > >This gal's goal was to get all of our horses to eat 'Strategy', a >performance food. It has 16% protein and is 1500 calories a pound. She >advised that I transition all three Fjords over to it from what they are >getting now and cut out the Grow Colt for the 2 and 3 year old, and Source >for the 10 year old. The only supplements she feels can be given with >Strategy' are biotin, glucosamine or Athlete for calories. The rep couldn't >give me any advise on the needs of growing horses but could only reiterate >that both 1 year olds and adult horses require 1 to 2% of their body weight >in hay. > >As I said above I am guarded about these sales events. Could anyone please >tell me if this all makes sense to you? I am concerned by: > >1. The discrepancy in % of protein in both feeds. >2. The fact that all supplements are being pulled. >3. The lack of direction regarding growing rates and what this means - if >anything. >4. The lack of attention to the fact that I have traditionally 'thrifty' >horses. This felt like a cookie cutter approach. > >Other comments are welcome. Just remember that for all practical purposes I >am a novice and this is just my gut reaction. > >Many thanks, > >Vanessa N Weber >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Feeding
This message is from: "Vanessa N Weber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Everyone, I'm sure you have all discussed this kind of thing before but I wondered if you would give me your feedback on this situation. Recently, as you may recall, I've been a little concerned about Zipper, my new 2 year old Fjord. After arriving here in late May from New Mexico (I'm in Connecticut), we fed her primarily hay (2 flakes twice a day) as instructed. We gave her some pellets to get her daily wormer down. Then it was suggested that we also use Grow Colt (sp?). Zipper began to lose weight. I could see her ribs. So we started giving her more pellets and she now seems to be coming around. The pellets had a low protein content as advised by a close friend. I want to say 10% but I'm not sure. She is currently eating about 6 1/2 pounds of pellets a day over two feedings. Then today the man who runs the barn had someone from Purina come to give a presentation. The gal was young and not very organized. As a longtime 20 year dog breeder, I am usually guarded about these kinds of sales pitches - but never having had to care for all these horses myself, I figured out that I'd probably learn a lot by attending this - if nothing else. The best part about the entire experience was finding out how much my horses weighed and being given a tape measure for height and weight! Zipper currently weighs 760 pounds. This gal's goal was to get all of our horses to eat 'Strategy', a performance food. It has 16% protein and is 1500 calories a pound. She advised that I transition all three Fjords over to it from what they are getting now and cut out the Grow Colt for the 2 and 3 year old, and Source for the 10 year old. The only supplements she feels can be given with Strategy' are biotin, glucosamine or Athlete for calories. The rep couldn't give me any advise on the needs of growing horses but could only reiterate that both 1 year olds and adult horses require 1 to 2% of their body weight in hay. As I said above I am guarded about these sales events. Could anyone please tell me if this all makes sense to you? I am concerned by: 1. The discrepancy in % of protein in both feeds. 2. The fact that all supplements are being pulled. 3. The lack of direction regarding growing rates and what this means - if anything. 4. The lack of attention to the fact that I have traditionally 'thrifty' horses. This felt like a cookie cutter approach. Other comments are welcome. Just remember that for all practical purposes I am a novice and this is just my gut reaction. Many thanks, Vanessa N Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yet another question on feeding
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My Fjords live outside all winter, but they do have a run-in shelter. The only time I put them in the little barn was back in '89 when we had a week of -65F! Then they were in 12 hours and out 12, the little barn, with 6" timbers for walls, was warm enough that their water didn't freeze all night..that much body heat. .. In extreme cold I feed double the hay or free choice hay and have warmed water available all the time. They grow very thick plush winter coats, snow will not melt on them. It is much healthier for them to be moving around and playing in the cold, and then standing together to share body heat, than standing alone in a box stall. A heated barn would be nice for us humans, tho. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, where my Fjords are already shedding their short summer coats and starting to grow longer fur! >If you don't mind my asking how do you take care of the Fjords in the >winters in Alaska? Does it ever get too cold for them? I presume you have a >barn for them so they can get out of the wind - do you ever heat it?
Re: yet another question on feeding
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gosh, I wouldn't restrict them from grass to feed grain!!! I think they are much better off without grain if they have pasture. If they start to look thin, etc. then supplement them but don't rush to grain them or feed grain instead of grass! I don't feel so embarrassed now, having weaned my gelding at 14 months...LOL. l, I let him nurse through the winter too and never got around to weaning until he was 14 months old. Sure didn't hurt him! Or Mom! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, cool and cloudy this morning..45 degrees >I have several fillies who are all 15 months old and I just weaned them. > >>several people have been telling >me that yearlings need some growth grain all year around. >I don't want to get them fat or to encourage too rapid of growth. Should I >restrict their access to fresh grass so that I can feed them grain in the >summer? It doesn't feel right to me, so I want some expert advice. >Patty in Yakima
Re: yet another question on feeding
This message is from: "Vanessa N Weber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Jean, If you don't mind my asking how do you take care of the Fjords in the winters in Alaska? Does it ever get too cold for them? I presume you have a barn for them so they can get out of the wind - do you ever heat it? Vanessa ---Original Message--- From: Jean Ernest Date: 08/01/05 11:15:59 To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: yet another question on feeding This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gosh, I wouldn't restrict them from grass to feed grain!!! I think they are much better off without grain if they have pasture. If they start to look thin, etc. then supplement them but don't rush to grain them or feed grain instead of grass! I don't feel so embarrassed now, having weaned my gelding at 14 months...LOL. l, I let him nurse through the winter too and never got around to weaning until he was 14 months old. Sure didn't hurt him! Or Mom! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, cool and cloudy this morning..45 degrees >I have several fillies who are all 15 months old and I just weaned them. > >>>>>>>>>>several people have been telling >me that yearlings need some growth grain all year around. >I don't want to get them fat or to encourage too rapid of growth. Should I >restrict their access to fresh grass so that I can feed them grain in the >summer? It doesn't feel right to me, so I want some expert advice. >Patty in Yakima
yet another question on feeding
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/1/2005 7:37:07 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have several fillies who are all 15 months old and I just weaned them. They are plump and sassy, but not really fat. During the winter I fed them grain/hay/ and they were nursing. Until about a month ago, I was feeding them a bit of hay morning and night and letting them be on pasture during the day. After weaning, they are still in good flesh and several people have been telling me that yearlings need some growth grain all year around. I don't want to get them fat or to encourage too rapid of growth. Should I restrict their access to fresh grass so that I can feed them grain in the summer? It doesn't feel right to me, so I want some expert advice. Patty in Yakima
Re: fjords - their feeding and friends
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Crystal, I think some horses might take exception to the Fjordies color and smell. They do seem to smell differently than other horses. My big Trakehner, Charlie, took quite awhile getting used to my first Fjord, Howdy. After losing Howdy, I bought another boy, Gunnar and as long as the mare was not in with them, they did fine together. Now the mare has a new home and Gunnar and Charlie are always wanting to be together. One problem is their different feeding needs. Anyway, just my take on it. Jean Author 'The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520
Re: fjords - their feeding and friends
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Author 'The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520
Re: Caution feeding garlic to horses
This message is from: Tamara Rousso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I read a similar article and still feed my horses garlic. I think it is important to realize that 4.4 oz is a lot of garlic. The article I read said the horses were fed 1 cup of garlic a day. Over doing just about anything is bad for a body. I once saw a 23 year old horse whose owner was adamant about the garlic. This horse had the most beautiful coat and the energy of a horse half her age. May have just been genetics, but the garlic sure as heck wasn't hurting the horse. Tamara Continuing with the garlic in Fallbrook CA On Thursday, July 28, 2005, at 04:27 AM, Lois Berenyi wrote: This message is from: "Lois Berenyi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For those interested or already feeding garlic to horses for fly control you may want to read the article in Horse Journal, July issue, reporting on a study that links garlic to anemia. Horses that were fed 4.4 oz. freeze-dried garlic (1100 lb. horse) started gradually over a 41 day period and fed for 71 days developed anemia. After stopping the garlic the anemia resolved over a 5 week period but damaged red blood cells were still detectable. Intakes of over 3.5 oz. twice a day for 10 weeks was sufficient to damage the red cells. The study mentions that the safety of smaller amounts over longer time periods remains unknown but this study found horses to be even more sensitive to garlic effects than dogs. The article recommended that if you feed garlic to your horse periodic checks for anemia are advisable. Lois Berenyi where it's too darn hot for flies (NC)
Re: Caution feeding garlic to horses
This message is from: snafflesnshelties <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> there was a discussion on another horse list about feeding garlic and a study on anemia. One lister was adamant about garlic being bad. She posted a site about garlic...and horses and problems. The study didnt even had 20 horses in it.. and those in that study were given a gawdawful amount of garlic. Garlic has been known to have healing properties.. I would think that whatever anyone comes up with for anything.. there will be pros and cons. For example.. I have said for years that no one should eat grean beans... they can kill you.. my study and proof is this: everyone who ate green beans in the year 1820 is dead. The sheltie is one of those breeds that can suffer from a skin disease called dermatomyositis. The medication that texas a&m uses for treatement has properties to thin the blood. I know of three shelties who suffered from DM and are now in remisiion (?) with hari regrowth after being on fresh garlic daily and apple cider vinegar. One of the sheltie owners told me that her parents fed chopped fresh garlic to their mixed breed dogs for about 12 to 14 years daily. those dogs appeared to healthy... and never saw the vet except for regular routine check ups and rabies vaccinations. joyce
Caution feeding garlic to horses
This message is from: "Lois Berenyi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For those interested or already feeding garlic to horses for fly control you may want to read the article in Horse Journal, July issue, reporting on a study that links garlic to anemia. Horses that were fed 4.4 oz. freeze-dried garlic (1100 lb. horse) started gradually over a 41 day period and fed for 71 days developed anemia. After stopping the garlic the anemia resolved over a 5 week period but damaged red blood cells were still detectable. Intakes of over 3.5 oz. twice a day for 10 weeks was sufficient to damage the red cells. The study mentions that the safety of smaller amounts over longer time periods remains unknown but this study found horses to be even more sensitive to garlic effects than dogs. The article recommended that if you feed garlic to your horse periodic checks for anemia are advisable. Lois Berenyi where it's too darn hot for flies (NC)
Re: fjords - their feeding and friends
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Laurie- I am a big fan of keeping horses at pasture with a herd. I have learned that horses will either get along or they won't; gradually introducing them does not help. All the horses my Fjords have lived with have been pretty decent companions except for two, a recently gelded TWH and a crazy QHx who both attacked my Boys (and others) with deadly intent. If you put new horses together, be sure to feed them far apart, and not in areas of the enclosure where they can become cornered, and watch them for at least an hour. If you only have two horses (notice how I say that, ONLY two, LOL) they will bond even if they don't like each other, and whinny when separated. So I say give it a try, but with caution. The trouble with Fjords and food is that they will eat everything in sight and then some -- this must be a survival mechanism from their days in the Vestlands. My Boys were very happy in a large pasture, but they were pretty plump. Now they are almost as happy in a half acre, and because of the small size it stays pretty much a dry lot. / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA www.Brigid.Clickryder.com www.MillwoodRanch.com
RE: fjords - their feeding and friends
This message is from: "Linda Lottie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Laurie, I feed dry lot and feed three small meals a day yes, horses can be out all day on pasture and brought in at night.that is my program at this time yes, let two horses get to know each other over the fence/stalled side by side/ride in trailer before turning out together put the grazing muzzle on and see how he reacts. I agree, would not leave on w/o supervision (although I do leave my property for errands) . My Lena pouted for a time the first time she wore hers..then, realized it was not coming off and started the process of getting those little grasses to poke through the holes. Now, she and Sven stand quietly to get them put on..oh fjords..gotta love em!!! You are doing right by your boys...such a good 'mama':) Linda Baker Lottie in WI >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com>To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com>Subject: fjords - their feeding and friends>Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:44:40 EDT>>This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>>ok, so i am paranoid and neurotic about my critters. isn't everyone? :)>>i think i have a pretty good setup for feeding my oz, who i managed to blow>up into a porker last winter. he spent the last 5-6 weeks at my instructor's>place, and she monitored his feed, plus i rode him a lot, and we got quite a bit>of weight off him. at home, i have divided our paddock (which is like a dry>lot almost) next to the barn, so that i can keep him in there, and let our>rescue horse go freely into the pasture. there is a small area of scrub grass, and>he will be getting his small ration of hay.>>i know that many of you keep your fjords this way, and they are quite healthy>and happy. yet in having a discussion with someone who has three>throroughbred types, i was told they really need to be able to graze to keep from getting>stressed, and i should be able to turn him out just during the day and bring>him in at night without having to feed hay. am i correct in thinking she>doesn't quite have a handle on the situation, even though she says one of her guys>has a similar problem with weight i so want to do right with my guy, and i>know that i have always gotten good solutions from you who have the breed. i>have purchased a grazing muzzle, but as yet have not had the chance to>acclimate him to it, and would very much hesitate to turn him out all day without>knowing that he's ok with it.>>i also wonder about timing as far as putting him out with our other horse. in>the past year or so, just before i got oz, we brought charlie to our place>(the first time). my QH chased him hard from one end of the pasture to the>other.and not just sending a small message, he was like a madman. then.when>i got oz here, and the QH was sold, one of our other horses, who i always>thought was a very easy going quite kind of guy, took after oz in the same>manner. we no longer have him, but for this reason, i am very much afraid to put oz>and charlie out togetheri don't want either of them hurt. oz spent some>time today in his area whinnying to charlie in the pasture, and doing some>improptu bucking and squealing. and when charlie comes into the other part of the>paddock at night, he seems a little more restless having oz there. i would>imagine it's going to take time to get them accustomed to each other?>>sorry this is so long.i just want to do right by them.>>laurie and oz - is this all i get to eat http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
RE: fjords - their feeding and friends
This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gunthar, the Fjord, blows up on half a day on California irrigated pasture. A grazing muzzle fixes the problem. I like the breakaway grazing muzzles, even though they have to be fitted just right in order to stay on. (Fit it, then watch for a while to see if the horse can get it off. We had to make the horse size fairly tight. The draft size maybe does not require that. I swore off the ones that attach to the halter (unless there is no other alternative) after watching a horse catch the muzzle on a water faucet in a bathtub waterer within 10 minutes of having the muzzle put on. The clip on the breakaway broke. I am not convinced a breakaway halter would have broken before there was damage to the horse.) PStook Rom out to the beach today. I do not know if it is the hard work and renewed muscling, but he felt like he was definitely gaiting at the walk (walking in back, and trotting in front). His fast walk was unbelievably fast (on the way home :)). Gail Russell Forestville CA
fjords - their feeding and friends
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ok, so i am paranoid and neurotic about my critters. isn't everyone? :) i think i have a pretty good setup for feeding my oz, who i managed to blow up into a porker last winter. he spent the last 5-6 weeks at my instructor's place, and she monitored his feed, plus i rode him a lot, and we got quite a bit of weight off him. at home, i have divided our paddock (which is like a dry lot almost) next to the barn, so that i can keep him in there, and let our rescue horse go freely into the pasture. there is a small area of scrub grass, and he will be getting his small ration of hay. i know that many of you keep your fjords this way, and they are quite healthy and happy. yet in having a discussion with someone who has three throroughbred types, i was told they really need to be able to graze to keep from getting stressed, and i should be able to turn him out just during the day and bring him in at night without having to feed hay. am i correct in thinking she doesn't quite have a handle on the situation, even though she says one of her guys has a similar problem with weight i so want to do right with my guy, and i know that i have always gotten good solutions from you who have the breed. i have purchased a grazing muzzle, but as yet have not had the chance to acclimate him to it, and would very much hesitate to turn him out all day without knowing that he's ok with it. i also wonder about timing as far as putting him out with our other horse. in the past year or so, just before i got oz, we brought charlie to our place (the first time). my QH chased him hard from one end of the pasture to the other.and not just sending a small message, he was like a madman. then.when i got oz here, and the QH was sold, one of our other horses, who i always thought was a very easy going quite kind of guy, took after oz in the same manner. we no longer have him, but for this reason, i am very much afraid to put oz and charlie out togetheri don't want either of them hurt. oz spent some time today in his area whinnying to charlie in the pasture, and doing some improptu bucking and squealing. and when charlie comes into the other part of the paddock at night, he seems a little more restless having oz there. i would imagine it's going to take time to get them accustomed to each other? sorry this is so long.i just want to do right by them. laurie and oz - is this all i get to eat
Feeding Fjords and other topics
This message is from: "Pasqual, Patricia A" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I had a problem with a low-energy, borderline anemic Fjord last year. I now have Elph on Strategy, which is a complete feed (you just add the fiber of grass hay), and some supplements. He seems pretty content with his quantity, and the hay provides entertainment and fiber, and his energy level is much better, he is no longer anemic (and as you can imagine, new training challenges have arisen!!!) My vet has pointed out that getting hay tested is probably a good idea but that quality can vary from bale to bale, field to field, shipment to shipment, you would need to do a lot of it to know that the complete nutritional spectrum was being covered. A complete feed eliminates all that testing, although of course it is not without its down side. Elph is also on complete drylot ALWAYS unless I hand graze him for a few minutes after a good workout, that is just the way it has to be. In the past I have used the muzzles, he wore holes in two of them, and also was getting wear ho! les on himself (not pretty when you're showing). No matter how much work he gets it is not enough to match free access to pasture. I think he looks pretty good for having had almost no work all winter, and hope to never be without an indoor again while living in a climate like Minnesota. On another topic, our new place is great, the drive out can be daunting at times (40 minutes at best w/o rush hour) but once I get out there I can train in a great big grassy field where my cones are always out, go down the dirt road to forever, and when it rains (and it has been doing nothing but that for weeks and weeks) I use the nice indoor! Plus they are building trails through the woods this summer, and if it ever does stop raining they will finish the outdoor arena as well. (Pinch me!) Worth the extra miles to get there and the extra bucks too. Plus he is with a bunch of mares who bat their eyelashes at him, he is particularly fond of a palomino I think because she looks like him, so he's loving it out there. Although how I am going to get him clean for the Memorial Day w/e show, I don't know. Right now I am just scraping off the mud from the parts that the harness would touch because as soon as we're done he goes out and rolls around again. Maybe I should wash! him during the next big downpour and then stable him until the show. I am ruthlessly moving aside all of the plans that seem to be popping up like gophers around the time of the B/E show - I'm calling it summer's magnetic week - and really looking forward to attending after an absence of 2 years, looking forward to seeing everyone and celebrating 20 years. Happy Fjording All! Tish and Elph in Minneapolis
Feeding older horses
This message is from: "Douglas Knutsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> More from Kelley, "Hello I have a 28 yr old stallion, 25 yr old stallion both on Dynamite PGR, GRASS hay pellets with ACVinegar and Dyna Pro daily. Both are in awesome shape. We have a 35 yr old Qtr gelding coming this week that is emaciated and we'll start him on a similar feed program. Dynamite also makes a H.E.S. pellet (High Energy Supplement) that helps for a little more energy as it gets colder. We are trying to find some Pea Bran that is harvested over in the Basin. They use it as a filler and fattener for slaughter horses. Old Mill Country Store has chopped hay in bags that are cheap and very easy for the horses to eat. More supplements to do if this is not enuff! :) Of course I am presuming the teeth have been looked at by an Equine Dentist Vet or not..Be well, Kelley Stay away from Rice Bran as it blocks Calcium absorbtion and usually is not processed right so all you get are hulls." Enjoy, Peg Peg Knutsen www.elltel.net/kffjord/
Re: Feeding Pecularities of Fjords
This message is from: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Paul McLauchlin wrote: This message is from: "Paul McLauchlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, New to the post with a young 3 year old Fjord we call Magnus (AKA Toby) have learned all I can about Fjords however, I have heard some feeding peculiarities and was wondering if anybody has any thoughts. Hi and welcome to the List, The only feeding peculiarities the Fjord has is they don't know when to quit and will eat themselves to death. They must be monitored all the time. It is very common to see a group of horses of various breeds with one or two Fjords also and the other horses will be looking at somthing new or running around and about all the Fjord does is look up from its feed, but then goes right back to eating. -- Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin
Feeding Pecularities of Fjords
This message is from: "Paul McLauchlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, New to the post with a young 3 year old Fjord we call Magnus (AKA Toby) have learned all I can about Fjords however, I have heard some feeding peculiarities and was wondering if anybody has any thoughts. Regards, Paul from Bluffton, Alberta This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to which it is addressed, and may contain confidential, personal and or privileged information. Please contact us immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 17, 2004 12:16 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: fjord body styles This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Phillip, everyone, Phillip, there is no doubt in my mind that you have a top quality breeding program nor would I ever have thought you were breeding for a "super refined Fjord"! I am keeping my fingers crossed for a yellow dun. My concern is only that there are those who are breeding for a super refined Fjord. This type of Fjord is becoming more in demand, afterall, and it is a fact the market normally will supply what the buyers want. I have had numerous discussions with knowledgeable people that have stated the European breeding practices might well have been/be influenced by the American buyers, as well. I also believe that it is possible some people misunderstood my "spindly legged" comment. I am not saying Fjords of today have spindly legs. What I am saying is that without careful breeding, the choice to focus on a super refined Fjord body type could result in such a problem a few generations down the road. Lynda In a message dated 8/17/2004 10:11:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please don't think that I am working toward a super refined fjord that doesn't even look like a fjord. There are many who agree with Lynda. People are concerned that our fjords will be refined to the point they are dysfunctional. This is a very real concern and something I certainly do not want to see.
RE: feeding Harrison Fjord question
This message is from: "Casanova, Julie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey you southern Californian's don't hog all your good weather to yourselves, tell us what it is like, maybe send some warm weather our ways. Especially Jean in Fairbanks Alaska! Julie in Minnesota where it is cloudy and 19 above. This is actually warm compared to the -10 we had a couple of days ago. And we have 9 hours of sunshine, if it would ever come out! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 11:02 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: feeding Harrison Fjord question This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/8/2004 9:16:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tamara in Southern California and I won't tell you about the weather the last few days because you will hate me :o) Hi Tamara- I look forward to hearing about your further adventures with Harrison Fjord! Whereabouts in Southern CA are you? I'm in San Mateo, CA. / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA www.Brigid.Clickryder.com
Re: feeding Harrison Fjord question
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/8/2004 9:16:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tamara in Southern California and I won't tell you about the weather the last few days because you will hate me :o) Hi Tamara- I look forward to hearing about your further adventures with Harrison Fjord! Whereabouts in Southern CA are you? I'm in San Mateo, CA. / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA www.Brigid.Clickryder.com
Re: feeding Harrison Fjord question
This message is from: Tamara Rousso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thank you Jean. I will email the seller and see if she will bring me a bail. Tamara --- Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Jean Ernest > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi Tamara, > > He will do well on just grass hay, with maybe some > vitamin/mineral > supplements, but can you get some of the hay he is > used to to gradually > change him over? That would be best. Maybe ask that > they send a bale of > their hay with him. > > I feed my Fjords about 50% brome, 50% timothy with > around a lb of grain mix > and vitamins/minerals in the winter(-10F to -20F > right now) Old Bjarne > gets Senior feed and joint supplements, etc. to keep > his weight up, but he > will be 29 this spring. > > Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, -10f > > > >Harrison Fjord is coming on Monday and I am so > >excited. Butterflies in the stomach and the whole > >bit. Anyway the seller tells me she feeds him a 4 > way > >hay of oats, barley, wheat and alfalfa. I've never > >seen that here. > > Jean Ernest > Fairbanks, Alaska > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = ***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^*** If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things. Rene Descart
