break away halters
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/22/2006 10:53:42 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: good point. now all i have to do is find one big enough. he has a really HUGE head. i am riding him in a draft horse english bridle. Dovers Saddlery has some nice break away halters and in sizes that will fit fjords! I have the padded purple plaid one. Shari :O) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
NH halters at FFFF
This message is from: "Sam & Sue Banks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For those who are going to the Fjords and Friends Fun Fest in NC - I am looking forward to learning from the Natural Horsemanship instructor, Robbie Potter, that will be there. I imagine there will be equipment for sale, but for those of you who like crafts, I will be bringing instructions and tools to make the rope halters or splice leads. You will buy "double braided" ropes, meaning both the outer fabric and the inner core are made braided. I prefer the polyester rope over the nylon rope, both found at marine supply stores. Brand names include Sampson, the rope is called Stable Braid, white with a blue string, or New England Ropes, they have many colors and slightly stiffer (a good thing) but are more expensive. For halters, you need 1/4 inch diameter, and about 20 feet. For lead ropes, 1/2, 9/16 or 5/8 inch diameter rope, your preference for weight and feel. Usually I plan on buying 2-3 extra feet more than the finished length desired, for splicing the ends, thicker ropes need more extra length for their splice. Common finished length lead ropes are Parelli style12 feet and 22 feet, and Clinton Anderson 14 foot lead ropes. I don't know what Mr. Potter's preference will be, but 12 or 14 foot are the most common. This diameter rope is also used for the mecate reins used with slobber straps - it gives you reins plus an attached lead rope. Generally the finished length is 22 feet. I will have about 3 halter + lead rope sets made up, if no one else has equipment for sale, or if you are the easily frustrated type when it comes to figuring out knots. You can get a head start by searching on the internet, there are plenty of instructions. Sue Banks
Re: CA stress?/rope halters/weather report
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/9/2005 1:38:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I too have RFD and have seen Clinton, Monty,Chris, John, Dennis et al. and yes, I do see horses that CA works with that do seem pretty stressed, or if not stressed, almost forced/mechanical in their actions, afraid to make a wrong move, as personally, I feel he drills too long; maybe he repeats & repeats so his viewing audience can absorb it. *** That's what I think, Karen. These clinicians have to produce miraculous, consistent results on camera or in front of an audience. They also have to make sure the cues and responses are visible to your average clinic-observer. At first I hated CA, thought he was rough and pointless. The more I watched his programs, however, the more I picked up useful ideas. The nice thing about watching clinicians is that you can put your own spin on the exercises, take your time and do them in a way which is less stressful. Also, with positive reinforcement, you need wy less repetition. / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA _www.Brigid.Clickryder.com_ (http://www.brigid.clickryder.com/)
Re: CA stress?/rope halters/weather report
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I too have RFD and have seen Clinton, Monty,Chris, John, Dennis et al. and yes, I do see horses that CA works with that do seem pretty stressed, or if not stressed, almost forced/mechanical in their actions, afraid to make a wrong move, as personally, I feel he drills too long; maybe he repeats & repeats so his viewing audience can absorb it. He's just not my favorite guy to watch - a bitt oo hyper Yes, each has many good things to offer, and thats why I keep watching. However, the important thing to remember, the number one rule, no matter who's system(s) you are using, is that you have to be fair in your timing for punishment/reward, and consistant w/ demands. Re. rope halters. Why would you not use them for trailering? I use them almost exclusively, with no ill effects (that I am aware of). I can see why not to use them x-tying, as there are no rings to clip on to. And, one thing about x-tying, I have been in barns where folks do this, and many of the horses that are tied this way do NOT know how to stand tied! My S.O. Dave the Shoer-Guy works at some pretty high falutin' HJ/dressage barns, and he uses his own rope halter on his shoeing horses, and does not use x-ties, even if they are there in the shoers area. He should know, he spends 1/2 his day underneath horses for a living. Btw, we found some really nice rope halters made by a fellow up in eastern Idaho; he was exhibiting in the trade show section of the Winnemucca Ranch Rodeo last April. They are nice and stout, but have a very soft feel, not stiff & hard. But the neat thing is by using an old fashioned cast slip thru fastener (like on the old cheap cotton shipping halters) he takes all of the guess-work out of handtying them, which in winter is a hassle w/ gloved hands, and can lead to some escapes if folks don't tie correctly. They are still able to adjust over the poll, but it just has an easier way of fastening. He also does some beautiful bridlework w/ gorgeous lined leather & stiching, as he was trained in making NICE driving harness up in Canada and is quite reasonable. I can look up his name & number if anyone is interested. We are experiencing one heck of a storm here in the basin below the sierras, land of the 'rain shadow', HA! We are at Day 3, and expect 2 more days according to the weather guru's. So far in this 'Pineapple Experss' storm we had 12" inches of snow dump onto an allready exisitng 8"from the previous storm last weekend. Dave has been quite busy on the backhoe getting folks out of thier snowed in driveways. I couldn't get into work last Fri. due to the highway btwn reno & Carson being shut down twice before 8 am. A very warm storm with mostly snow that turns to rain. We are worried about flooding. In '97 the Carson River that is about 1/4 mi to the E of us rose up & covered 1/2 of the ranch for 5 days. Talk about horses acting wierd! My stallion Sven & his mare-for-life, Jorunn, refused to get into their paddock in the dark, so I turned them out in their 5 acre pasture. Well, by morining, their paddock was under a foot & a 1/2 of water with seagulls and ducks bobbing along ! They instictively knew, as neither of them had ever been in this kind of situation before. Listen to you horse! Looks like a bit of a break so i am gonna climb on someones back & go check out the snowy landscape & see how the river is 'doin. Cheers, Kmac Karen McCarthyGreat Basin Fjords :: Carson City, Nevadahttp://www.picturetrail.com/weegees
Re: Clinton Anderson methods/rope halters
This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I very much agree, we all need to watch, learn, try many different methods and mush it around so that it works with YOUR given skill level, and the horse you are currently working with. Not every method will work with each person or horse. I call what I do " Playing Horse " This way I don't get frustrated as easily cuz we are just playing, and the horse enjoys it cuz we're just playing, and we get the " training done ". How cool is that?? It's just what works for me. So their is a bit of Parelli, Tellington-Jones, Buck Brennan, Monty Roberta, plus a bit of others. Roberta - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 12:11 AM Subject: Re: Clinton Anderson methods/rope halters > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Brigid wrote concerning the Clinton Anderson tapes: > > "One thing you'll notice is the high level of stress in the horse, > > something also noticed in Parelli productions." > > Recently I watched two different programs on RFD TV with the clinitian training the horses to walk over plastic laid on the ground. The first was John Lyon and the second was Clinton Anderson. When the horse in the Lyons demonstration finally walked over the tarp it was in a very calm state. The one in the Anderson demonstration was still excited and jumped it many times before finally going over it. Of course we don't know the actual time elapsed in either one. I really like the calm way Lyons has with the horses. But, I also enjoy watching Clinton Anderson! I think that each of us have to watch and learn as much as we can, from everyone we can, and then do what will work best for us with our own horse. > > Barb Lynch > WA State > > > > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > In a message dated 1/8/2005 6:33:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > Thanks to everyone for your responses on the list and privately about CA's > > methods. All the glowing reviews and experiences have me quite excited to > > give it a go. > > > > > > > > Hi Lynn- > > > > I received my CA DVD's and am enjoying them very much. The exercises are > > both unique and useful! As soon as it stops raining for 5 minutes, I'll practice > > them :-). One thing you'll notice is the high level of stress in the horse, > > something also noticed in Parelli productions. Perhaps if it's your own horse, > > and you're taking things a bit slower, the attitude will be more pleasant. > > Personally I'm looking for "clickable moments." With the clicker I can mark > > the correct response so I won't have to do the exercise 50 times. > > > > > > / )_~ > > /L/L > > Brigid Wasson > > SF Bay Area, CA > > _www.Brigid.Clickryder.com_ (http://www.brigid.clickryder.com/)
Re: Clinton Anderson methods/rope halters
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brigid wrote concerning the Clinton Anderson tapes: "One thing you'll notice is the high level of stress in the horse, > something also noticed in Parelli productions." Recently I watched two different programs on RFD TV with the clinitian training the horses to walk over plastic laid on the ground. The first was John Lyon and the second was Clinton Anderson. When the horse in the Lyons demonstration finally walked over the tarp it was in a very calm state. The one in the Anderson demonstration was still excited and jumped it many times before finally going over it. Of course we don't know the actual time elapsed in either one. I really like the calm way Lyons has with the horses. But, I also enjoy watching Clinton Anderson! I think that each of us have to watch and learn as much as we can, from everyone we can, and then do what will work best for us with our own horse. Barb Lynch WA State > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > In a message dated 1/8/2005 6:33:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Thanks to everyone for your responses on the list and privately about CA's > methods. All the glowing reviews and experiences have me quite excited to > give it a go. > > > > Hi Lynn- > > I received my CA DVD's and am enjoying them very much. The exercises are > both unique and useful! As soon as it stops raining for 5 minutes, I'll > practice > them :-). One thing you'll notice is the high level of stress in the horse, > something also noticed in Parelli productions. Perhaps if it's your own > horse, > and you're taking things a bit slower, the attitude will be more pleasant. > Personally I'm looking for "clickable moments." With the clicker I can mark > the correct response so I won't have to do the exercise 50 times. > > > / )_~ > /L/L > Brigid Wasson > SF Bay Area, CA > _www.Brigid.Clickryder.com_ (http://www.brigid.clickryder.com/)
Re: Clinton Anderson methods/rope halters
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/8/2005 6:33:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks to everyone for your responses on the list and privately about CA's methods. All the glowing reviews and experiences have me quite excited to give it a go. Hi Lynn- I received my CA DVD's and am enjoying them very much. The exercises are both unique and useful! As soon as it stops raining for 5 minutes, I'll practice them :-). One thing you'll notice is the high level of stress in the horse, something also noticed in Parelli productions. Perhaps if it's your own horse, and you're taking things a bit slower, the attitude will be more pleasant. Personally I'm looking for "clickable moments." With the clicker I can mark the correct response so I won't have to do the exercise 50 times. / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA _www.Brigid.Clickryder.com_ (http://www.brigid.clickryder.com/)
RE: Clinton Anderson methods/rope halters
This message is from: "LYNN BINKOWSKI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks to everyone for your responses on the list and privately about CA's methods. All the glowing reviews and experiences have me quite excited to give it a go. Unfortunately, the glaze of ice over the ground has kept me away from the barn this weekend, and, horror of horrors, my quiet evening at home tonight watching Tivo'd horse TV was shot down when we lost power a few hours ago (my laptop has 1 hour of battery life left, so at least I can browse the web while I tend the wood stove!). My favorite CA line..."heart attacks are free...let your horse have one"! Thanks again, Lynn and Trina in icy Connecticut _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
rope halters and Clinton Anderson
This message is from: Gina Larson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all-- In response to the discussion on rope halters...I have friends who loaned me their Clinton Anderson videos and my pushy TB has responded quite well to the basic lessons presented in the intro (desensitizing, disengaging the hindquartes, forequarters and stages I and II lunge). We were making great progress, until I got lax due to the bitter temps and early darkness (I work full time and don't have an indoor to work in). I was amazed at how quickly Chester caught on, and even after only a couple of lessons saw a marked improvement in his ground manners. Given how smart fjords are I think they would do quite well, (but the repetition could become boring for them!) As for the halters...my friend gave me one with the CA lead which was purchased on eBay, but since then she and her boyfriend started tying their own in a plethora of colors anbd sizes. I believe they found the pattern on the internet, purchased the nylon rope at Fleet Farm, and obviously because they custom tie them sizing is not a problem. They can decide if they want nose and poll knots, etc...so, if you have a free afternoon it could be a useful project to tie your own! Gina in COLD NE WI! Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com
Re: rope halters
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > That's because you don't have giant Fjord-monsters like I do ;-) Rafael's > throatlatch is 40 inches. I buy extra large everything! LOL! Ditto around here. Rom can just barely squeeze into things sized for a regular horse. Sleepy needs Large Horse everything, and even then, I sometimes have to remake parts to fit better. (Nansy was only slightly smaller than Sleepy, so many of her things can be used on him.) As with all things equine, YMMV Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
rope halters
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/7/2005 8:26:43 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've had no problem at all with them fitting around the jaw and throat. *** That's because you don't have giant Fjord-monsters like I do ;-) Rafael's throatlatch is 40 inches. I buy extra large everything! / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA _www.Brigid.Clickryder.com_ (http://www.brigid.clickryder.com/)
New Website for Halters
This message is from: "Karen Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear List: I would like to invite you all to see my new website, http://aussiecarriages.freeservers.com, where I'm proudly displaying (and selling, if the truth be told) my special knotted rope halters which blend the traditional rope halter and the buckle-over-the-nose concept. This idea has been germinating for some time and has finally come to fruition. I've been quietly making/selling/donating as prizes these halters here in Colorado for six months or so. I've tweaked the design here and there, and I believe I've come up with a real winner. I know it's the only halter used in my barn! :^) Even if you're not interested in the halters, you can see photos of my two lovely Fjordie models! Actually, it was getting a couple of hard-to-fit Fjords that finally pushed me to making my own halters. Please let me know what you think, both about the halters and the website. Cheers! Karen Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8.
Buckles-Up Halters
This message is from: "Dave McWethy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Note: the Buckles-Up Halters are the ones with buckles on top of the
noseband, so when you are in crossties, and wish to remove the halter and
put it around the horse's neck, all you have to do is open the buckle on the
nose, and the halter is in place on the neck.
Now that Thanksgiving is past, we're on the downhill slope towards
Christmas. If you are looking for halters with buckles on top of the
nosebands, which were popular as presents last year, you can see them, with
prices on http://www.horseharness.com/halter.html I will add that draft
sizes are $1.00 higher. The prices are the total amount - no tax, no
shipping cost. And we can process credit cards this year.
Fit is always an issue. I can recommend by general category ("large pony"
"small horse" "large horse" etc) but I also have a table of measurements
which I can email if someone needs it. Adult Fjords usually take a #600,
and the largest take #700's.
Camptown Dave
http://www.horseharness.com
Re: halters
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Storm has no > halter on on account of the gelding leading him around by it Sue, it's really super dangerous to leave a halter on a horse. They have more ways of hanging themselves than you or I ever wanted to know about. The only exception is break-away halters that will come apart if they catch them on something. Gail in Tucson
Re: Slipping halters/barns collapsing
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Nancy wrote: Have been reading the halter slipping incidents and I agree with Karen. Try hobbling along with tying. Toby has been able to slip a halter ever since we've owned him (11 years). He won't slip it if you are around but just turn your back for a minute and he's gone. Gee Nancy, do you think our "guys" went to the same school, or what? Is ir a stallion thing - or? He has always been this way, always looking for a way out, and I really think he does it just to do it, 'cause it's there. You literally have to watch him continuosly, as he will slip that halter in a second when you turn your back. When I ask someone to keep an eye on him at a show when I have to slip in and out of the tack room, I really emphasise this. I have a friend out here, Del Tanner, who regularly tether hobbles his fjords. He uses the stout leather single hobble that has a swivel,with a fleece tube liner on it. (I have also made one of these out of a single stirrup leather, but use a large ring on it w/ swivel.) He stakes them out all nite like this, and they do just fine. I hobble all the time, but don't stake them out regularly as I don't do allot of overnites, (darn). Happy Hobbling! Karen _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Slipping halters/barns collapsing
This message is from: Nancy Hotovy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Betsy - We have barns (especially arena's) collapsing near us also. A big quarter horse farm lost their arena Friday, a big dairy barn also collapsed and the worst one is the Cheff Center Barn. This was a heated arena for handicapped children. No people were hurt. Our neighbors pole barn also caved in this week. Makes me nervous but my husband (who builds barns) says there are a lot of company's out there that take short-cuts and go by minimum standards. Unfortunately, a year like this one really takes it's toll on those barns. Our deck is on the 2nd story and had snow over the rails. I shoveled it off last night. With the slight thaw we've had, sure made the snow heavy. Have been reading the halter slipping incidents and I agree with Karen. Try hobbling along with tying. Toby has been able to slip a halter ever since we've owned him (11 years). He won't slip it if you are around but just turn your back for a minute and he's gone. He can slip a halter and a neck rope AND wiggle underneath a butt rope in a tie stall. He's done it at the fair - - - found him romancing the Standardbreds! Orville Unrau had taught him to be tethered with one foot - a hame's strap with a swivel and a rope. Have never had any other horse able to do this and I'm sure if I tried it, would have a horse with a broken leg. I can tether Toby on a 20' rope and he is my best weed-eater. If he gets the rope around his legs he just starts stepping up and down until he's free and goes on eating (typical Fjord). Even though this works great for Toby I don't recommend it but I have been teaching all my horses to hobble and that works great. Nancy from Michigan where we've had a little over 24 hours with no new snow!
Halters
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 05:53 AM 9/27/2000 -0600, you wrote: >This message is from: "Bushnell's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >At 09:33 PM 09/26/2000 -0300, you wrote: >>This message is from: "Sue Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >On >>the subject of tying, has anyone ever snapped a halter rope into the side >>ring on a halter rather than under the chin? Storm is still shut in a box >>stall at night. > Yes, in a trailer - with tie up above horse's head. It was one of those learning experiences. Decaffe still has the scars on his nose...and for a while I thought I'd never be able to touch his poll again. I would cross this one off your list. And would not leave the halter on at all in a stall at night. Had another instance, with halter left on with me 10 feet away...caught on a hose bib...almost disaster. Halters are just plain dangerous. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Rope Halters
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Saskia: The rope halters should be adjustable, if they are made correctly using the fiador knot, and one piece of rope. The ones I have are made from a very soft nylon rope, about 1/4" in diameter. When you first get them, you can wiggle the knots around to widen or narrow the nosepice area, also to adjust the length of cheek pieces. I was told how to do this by the lady that makes them for us. She lives just outside of Red Bluff, Ca. (BTW- I still have a few left for sale.) Once you use the halter for awhile, the knots tighten up and it is almost impossible to adjust them after that. So, see if you can play with the knots some...and hope you are feeling better, Karen Great Basin Fjords Carson City, NV *Franticlly getting ready for Turlock... :>} From: "saskia schoofs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: help on Sybrens head! Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 01:13:12 -0400 This message is from: "saskia schoofs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dearest friends, I have been silent again for a while (a long while), but you must know I have read everything and have carried your joys, difficulties and losses in my heart, wishing you all the best constantly. I have been and am very ill, so I can't promise to be a more active list member very soon, but I will as soon as I can. And am looking forward to that very much! :-))) But whenever I feel well, I try to ride a little bit on Sybren. He's really great, very calm and trusting and very willing to learn. The problem is: I use Kitty's rope halter and that doesn't fit him. So I wanted to order a new one, only, the lady who will make it for me lives in the USA and she needs me to measure him (his head) in inches. So I calculated my centimeters to inches and got: 12" around the nose 32" around the throat (behind the ears) Now she mailed me to express her surprize about these sizes. She says it sounds very small to her. So I wanted to ask you: can someone who's used to measure in inches tell me what his/her Fjords head is like? Sybren is a small size of Fjord. Thanks and happy Fjording! Saskia in Belgium (cold and very wet... again!) _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: Leather/stainless halters and stall doors etc..
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 08:00 PM 3/25/00 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Off hand anyone know when the deadline for articles, etc., is for the next Fjord Herald? You missed the deadline for the next issue I am afraid. That was Feb 29th. For the Summer issue it is May 31st. Fall Issue it is Aug 31st. Winter Issue it is Nov 30th. By the way for all that are wondering the Spring issue of the Herald is at the printers now. NFHR members should be seeing your copy within the next few weeks. Please remember that it is sent out as bulk mail though so it does take some time to get delivered. The West coast usually gets theirs at least a week or more sooner than the East coast also. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Leather/stainless halters and stall doors etc..
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thankyou for your responses Lynn, Steve and Carol M. really helpful Steve I am looking for Leather with Stainless, all purpose to travel, and have on in turnout. Off hand anyone know when the deadline for articles, etc., is for the next Fjord Herald? We are still dispersing some of our herd...Thanks for all the folks people have sent our way! We are still selling Hostar, his add has not gone out yet and we have only one 2 year old filly (looks like my Abigail, very dark, fantastic trot) Premium import from Holland and two 2 year old Hostar Geldings. We will also sell Hostar and MVF Neschild's foal due shortly. The 2 year olds are now back in driving training. I will update www.norwegianfjordhorses.com sale page with the ones already sold as soon as I can. Thanks for passing the word around, we really appreciate it! I was wondering if anyone had any comments on spring shots, We give them all ourselves l but for rabies and coggins (have the vet do rabies and coggins), We used Encevac T and Prestige ll last year for 4 way/rhino and Pneumobort K for the pregnant or conceiving mares. We also give shots for Potomac fever if horse travels. We order the shots, anyone else do this also, opinions on shots and were best to purchase, preferred brands. Brian, resident expert any advice? Sincerely Laura of the Hollow Worming info of interest also, We worm horses every 2 months and switch brands, we also make sure every other month is an Ivemectrin. Has worked very well for us, we do regular fecal samples and have had success with this schedule. Sincerely Laura
NH Halters
This message is from: misha nogha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The NH halters are made of a single piece of very slinky yacht rope. Over the nose and poll, the rope is doubled. The knots are on either side of the face and don't come into play as far as 'harshness'. If you get a black one I think it looks very classy on a Fjord. The nice thing I would think about showing in one is that it doesn't interfere with the face in that you can see it well. I use them every day, not just as a training device. They hold up well and are easily cleaned, don't rub on the horse's face. It's really cool because the horses don't seem to even notice they have them on. As far as them being just as severe as a chain, let me ask the handler. What would you rather have over your nose, a soft double rope, or a chain? I have never used a chain on my stallion's face. I think he would be quite upset out if I tweaked that--he is very sensitive. Of course, as you can see on my page, sometimes I ride him with a string around his neck so--you can see how sensitive he can be. I wanted people to see that because a lot of people say the Fjords are so heavy and not light. This a 'not have to be' situation. I have to agree with Karen, it won't give you any more advantage than any other halter. It's the training itself that might give an advantage--not the equipment. And I think they do look classy. Misha
Re: Horsemanship halters
This message is from: "Meredith Sessoms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Show horse tradition usually calls for formal tack to honor the horse and show it in the best light. I would think that rope halters would not be allowed for show because they are usually asthetically unflattering and look very, very casual. (however, my ponies do look awfully cute in them!) Meredith Sessoms Soddy-Daisy TN USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dorina & NFR Aagot
Re: Horsemanship halters
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At the '98 Eval. in Eugene, I brought my mare back into the mare lineup in a rope halter. The only reason I did so was that I was assisting in the presentation of 3 mares,and there were not enough halters to go 'round, not to mention, at that point in the Eval. I was perhaps a little heat addled. I did receive a comment from one of the judges AFTER I presented her (to a blue), that she would go better and look more attractive in a conventional type halter. Oh well! This is but one of several inconsistencies that popped up in Eugene, that could of been avoided and or settled on the spot w/ more personnel. Seriously, Mike, I thought you did a great job, but I really felt that you should have had a counter-part. We could really stand to have a steward AND a TD in attendance at an Eval. The steward in the arena when the Eval. is underway, the TD "everywhere else". I learnered w/ the ADS at several Recognized shows, and have participated in WB breed evaluations, and if the NFHR is going to get the #'s of horses involved in Evals. as are being projected here on this list, something needs to be done. I do think it's kind of odd that rope halters would not be allowed, as I use them everyday, and think they are safe and don't offer any "advantage" compared to leather halters. I think there is allot of confusion/ignorance about both types of halters. If anything, if any "unfair advantage" were being exercised, it would be with a halter w/ a stud shank rigged not-too-conventionally. Goodnight, Karen ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
Re: Horsemanship halters
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- misha nogha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: misha nogha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Was surprised to read that horsemanship halters, a > very light piece of rope > and light on a horse's face, are not allowed at > shows or evaluations--but > stud chains which can cause real damage and are very > severe are. Ok, guys, just WHAT is a "natural horsemanship halter"? We use what we refer to as a "training halter", some call it a "knotted cowboy halter". It's made from a single piece of lightweight rope, with knots at each side of the nose and under the chin and closes with a knot tied through a loop. If the knot is tied properly on the closure, there is no way it can come loose. Our halters also have a "braided" piece over the nose so the rope doesn't cut into the face. I assume these halters are also "not allowed" in competition, although they sure do allow better control with less force than a flat nylon or leather halter! Mary I thought > safety was an issue. This is a very safe piece of > equipment in good soft > hands. If Everyone can use a natural horsemanship > halter--then there would > be no "quote" unfair advantage. Didn't realize > people were so opposed to > natural horsemanship training. It's such a great > concept, makes horse > ownership so much more fun for both the horse and > rider, I would think > every caring horse owner might give it a try. But I > guess I am into having > fun with my horses and I like to know they are > having fun too--so there you > go. Misha > > === Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
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This message is from: "Janice Gault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Misha, Interesting name. I'm not sure if I will/would pronounce it correctly. I wish my name was more original like yours. *This message is from: misha nogha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Was surprised to read that horsemanship halters, a very light piece of rope and light on a horse's face, are not allowed at shows or evaluations--but -- I'm interested in learning more about these Halters for which you're speaking of. I have always used a stud chain whenever I was uncertain whether or not the horse would behave correctly. I've had three total hip replacements and I can't afford to be dragged. I know, I should let go of the rope but my instant reaction is to HANG on, thus I've been dragged a few times more than I'd like to admit. --- Jan w/Haflingers Beauty & April in Michigan
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This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 07:13 PM 8/24/99 -0800, you wrote: >Was surprised to read that horsemanship halters, a very light piece of rope >and light on a horse's face, are not allowed at shows or evaluations--but >stud chains which can cause real damage and are very severe are. The reason we didn't allow the knotted rope halter was to keep everything even. I agree in the right hands it would be fine. I might add that I think the person that wanted to use it would not have been a problem either. The whole thing was like we have been talking about with the rules. If they specifically allow some items then that automatically disallows anything that isn't on that list. The knotted rope halter isn't & wasn't an approved item in the rules. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Was surprised to read that horsemanship halters, a very light piece of rope >and light on a horse's face, are not allowed at shows or evaluations--but >stud chains which can cause real damage and are very severe are. I realize the NH people are opposed to use of the stud chains, but IMHO if they are used correctly as Linda Tellington Jones uses them in the TTeam training exercises they are safe and give a nice soft signal. The thin rope halters with the hard knots can also cause damage if used the wrong way. It's not so much the equipment the causes problems but the hands and mind that uses it! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, where it rained lightly all day Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Horsemanship halters
This message is from: misha nogha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Was surprised to read that horsemanship halters, a very light piece of rope and light on a horse's face, are not allowed at shows or evaluations--but stud chains which can cause real damage and are very severe are. I thought safety was an issue. This is a very safe piece of equipment in good soft hands. If Everyone can use a natural horsemanship halter--then there would be no "quote" unfair advantage. Didn't realize people were so opposed to natural horsemanship training. It's such a great concept, makes horse ownership so much more fun for both the horse and rider, I would think every caring horse owner might give it a try. But I guess I am into having fun with my horses and I like to know they are having fun too--so there you go. Misha
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This message is from: Karen McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Can the knots you described work as a replacement for a chain? We use a chain for a few of our horses at this time, not as a full nose chain, but I believe the method is called the Tellington method. (Bernie?) I am curious if these knots described in the rope halters would work in a similar fashion. One other question, if I may. Will these halters tighten if the horse pulls, say when they are tied during grooming, farrier work, etc.? Thanks again, Lynda Hello (again) Lynda, The knots on the halters ARE adjustable. I even took a smallish one and downsized it for a yearling. Yes, the knots, (in theory) are supposed to work on pressure points, as would a correctly placed chain. (Note I say correctly, as there are a myriad of ways to put on a stud chain, and many of them are useless...I won't go there right now 'tho.) I have not had a halter tighten on me. Rather the opposite, and I simply adjusted it. Remember what I said about tying the knot backwards, in other words, not in the correct way? Well, those baby's definitely slipped, sometimes to the point of becoming untied, in the case of a "true blue" puller hard at it. Have a cool evening...(I'm trying to)..Karen ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
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This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello List, The July 1999 issue of Western Horseman, page 112, has info and directions on making your own rope halters. Denise, in northern calif. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 05, 1999 7:16 PM Subject: Re: Halters > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hello Karen, everyone! > > Thanks Karen, for the information! These halters definitely sound like what > I am looking for, at least for most purposes, such as training. > > Can the knots you described work as a replacement for a chain? We use a > chain for a few of our horses at this time, not as a full nose chain, but I > believe the method is called the Tellington method. (Bernie?) I am curious > if these knots described in the rope halters would work in a similar fashion. > One other question, if I may. Will these halters tighten if the horse > pulls, say when they are tied during grooming, farrier work, etc.? > > I probably would not use these halters at pasture. I will look around here > and if I may, email you privately if I am unable to locate any. > > Thanks again! > > Lynda >
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This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> One thing I haven't seen mentioned in the halter discussion is this. For those who feel they must leave halters on unattended horses, there are nylon halters available with replaceable leather "fuses" strategically placed so they will break easily. I believe that they are listed in the State Line catalog. I wouldn't feel comfortable using them on my horse, but they are available. -- Steve McIlree & Cynthia Madden -- Pferd, Keyah, Skipper, Tank -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA The hooves of the horses!--Oh! bewitching and sweet; Is the music earth steals from the iron-shod feet. -- Will H. Ogilvie
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This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Jean Ernest > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Lynda, > > If you use rope halters you should DEFINITELY NOT > turn them out with those > halters on unsupervised: They do not break and > would be dangerous if they > caught on something! Hear! Hear! Everyone. Rope halters are for training/leading, etc., NOT for pasture use. If you have ever seen a horse with a "white halter" mark on his entire face, you have seen one of the lucky ones that survived getting a rope halter hung up. The unlucky ones are no longer with us. We also use rope training halters for tie-up while saddling, etc., but always in a situation we are in control of. Don't leave a horse tied up and unattended in a rope halter for long periods. If he panics or gets bored he can really hurt himself in one of these halters. Mary > > Jean in Fairbanks, AK > > A > >Thanks for the info on the rope halters. They > sound very much like what I > am > >looking for, and will try a couple of stores here > first. If I cannot find > >them, I will email you. One questiondo they > have any metal on them > which > >touches the horse's face? I am positive it is the > metal causing the > problem. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > >Lynda > >Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm > > > > > > Jean Ernest > Fairbanks, Alaska > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > === Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I should have said in my earlier post it appears to > be the metal pieces of > the halters which are causing this problem. Sounds like the halter is either too small for the horse, or is adjusted too tight in the nose and too high up on his face. On some Fjords the "face bones" - those little pointed bones that run partway down each side of the face - are more prominent. The hair is usually thin on them too. If the metal pieces on the halter are just below - or touching - these bones they will rub the hair and hide right off in just a little while. Move the halter down the horse's nose (let it out a hole or two over his head) and then take up on the strap on the nosepiece if it seems too loose (you should be able to get your hand - four fingers - between the nosepiece and his jaw). If this nosepiece is too loose he can get his foot caught in it when scratching his face with his foot. If the halter is too loose under his cheek (below his neck) when it is adjusted further down his nose, try a different style halter - sometimes a "track halter" with a clip on the underside of the jaw for easy removal fits a bit better, or try an "Arabian" halter. A hoof can also get caught here while he is scratching his ear. If you are concerned about a horse hanging himself while wearing his halter, there are now halters available with leather "fuses" in them - a leather piece on the headband that will supposedly break when the halter gets hung up. I can't vouch for how well this works or how well the halter fits, but have seen them in tack catalogs. Also nylon halters with leather headpieces are available. Good luck. Mary === Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hello everyone! > > We seem to be having problems with halters causing > sores on a few of our > Fjords. We have tried three different brands, both > nylon and leather, clips > and no clips. We have tried tightening them up to > no effect, and had no > effect when we loosened them. We only use halters > for leading and we do > leave them on when the horses are out to pasture for > their allotted 1-5 hours > per day. We have the same problem when we leave halters on for grazing. The only solution is to take halters off the horses for grazing - or get a set of sheepskin pads for the halters. Tack shops and tack catalogs sell these pads, or you can make your own. Grazing (read, chewing) makes the halters rub on noses and face bones no matter what the halters are made of. Sometimes a leather halter won't rub the hair off because it is more flexible and will give when it warms up from the sun and contact with the horse's face. I use a leather halter on my old mare and she rarely has sores from grazing with her halter on, unless I put it up too high and it hits on the bones. Leather halters have the extra advantage of being safer than rope or nylon halters when left on in the pasture - they will break if a horse gets hung up in something, a nylon or rope halter will not and this can have some very nasty consequences!! Mary === Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Karen, everyone! Thanks Karen, for the information! These halters definitely sound like what I am looking for, at least for most purposes, such as training. Can the knots you described work as a replacement for a chain? We use a chain for a few of our horses at this time, not as a full nose chain, but I believe the method is called the Tellington method. (Bernie?) I am curious if these knots described in the rope halters would work in a similar fashion. One other question, if I may. Will these halters tighten if the horse pulls, say when they are tied during grooming, farrier work, etc.? I probably would not use these halters at pasture. I will look around here and if I may, email you privately if I am unable to locate any. Thanks again! Lynda
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This message is from: Karen McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks for the info on the rope halters. They sound very much like what I am looking for...One questiondo they have any metal on them which touches the horse's face? I am positive it is the metal causing the problem. Thanks, Lynda Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm No metal. The lay of the rope on most of them is very soft and "slinky", while some is stiffer, (good for studs.) You can attach a standard bull snap or clip to the loop under the chon, however, I prefer a leadrope w/ a loop braided into the end ( boat type people do this type of loop alot). You simply thread the end of leadrope thru halter loop and then thru it's own loop. Yacht rope makes a great lead: it's heavy enough, yet it has lots of play and also rarely creates a tight knot. Re. leaving these types of halters on at pasture. While I DON'T advocate it, if you do, tie the halter knot the "wrong" way, as it will pull out and free the horse. (I learned thru trial and error on this one. Had a couple of "professional pullers" =Arabs, try this & then I finally learned how to tie correctly!) Good Luck! Karen ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
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This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > The AHSA is a good group to belong to, and along with our ADS membership we >carry it each year, as with it, it has a policy to cover ANY equine accident, >either on our place or while out showing, parading ect. This also covers us >when we have riders help train our Fjords, as we mostly drive, and people >trying them out when they are for sale. Hi Lisa, Are you sure others are always covered when riding your Fjords? When I read the policy I thought it required that the other party riding also be an AHSA member. Maybe it was only when the other party is being paid to ride/train. Will look at the policy again when I unearth it from the pile on my desk - but I think that is what it says. Gail Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List ! Too hot to be outside anymore here ( 103 ) but thought I would come in and read what all of you are doing. Jon and Mary, your idea of a boarding stable is a good one. I have to admit that the first thing I thought of was also the insurance. It is a sad thing to have to worry about people suing you over getting injured, or losing a horse and blaming it on feed, or tripping over their own two feet, ect.but here in lawsuit crazy Calif. I have friends in the animal business, and they both carry large policys, that over-cover every area of what could happen, and both have still been hauled into court in past years when someone thought they had been harmed. One person was sued by her " handyman " work under the table type, who built pens, and fixed up things around her place. He tripped and fractured his ankle and claimed total disability.was complicated by his filing a workmans comp. claim, even though he had been doing odd jobs for her " under the table " for years. Brought the fear of an IRS audit and state employee rights groups in with it. Her second run into court was because a pygmy goat in her petting zoo, knocked a tiny child flat, scraping her hand and scaring her. Her policy paid that one off. My other friend does weddings and carriage rides for hire. He also carries a 6 million dollar policy, to cover himself. It just isnt worth it to lose ones house and business because of being uninsured and taking the responsibility of people riding, or even visiting our horses, and getting hurt. The AHSA is a good group to belong to, and along with our ADS membership we carry it each year, as with it, it has a policy to cover ANY equine accident, either on our place or while out showing, parading ect. This also covers us when we have riders help train our Fjords, as we mostly drive, and people trying them out when they are for sale. I would encourage all Fjord owners, who sometimes let the friends kiddies, or have people visit the Fjords to join the ASHA, ( American Horse Show Ass.) Wanted to comment on the halter thing, if everyone isnt too sick of it. Lynda, I understand that you are trying to keep control of your horses while they are turned out, and with you right there, it poses less risk, than if you were gone all day, and leaving them unattended. Still, I believe that IF one of your Fjords caught a halter on a fence, gate, foot, shoe, ect. the panic that insues often prevents you from being able to get in there and help. Its not the halter that kills or disables horses, its the injuries sustained while panicing. I have also heard many stories, and always considered it proper to remove halters while not being led or worked somewhere, but not until a close friend lost a beautiful Paint filly, and another lady down the street, lost her Champion QH, did it make sense to me. I would rather train mine to come in with a signal or a reward then leave it to chance. Then again, we trailer our horses across the country, and to shows where any number of things could happen. Risk is always a choice of each owner, and I could never just lock up my horses in a " perfect " enviorment, hoping they wouldnt hurt themselves, to miss the fun of showing and using them for what we train for. As far as bits go, mine that drive, seem to prefer a Liverpool Mullenmouth, and those being ridden, seem to like a Pelham or wide snaffle. I never use a twisted wire bit, unless its during a training phase, with careful, light hands. If people are having problems with whoa.they need to go back to groundwork and gain a respect for that word. NO BIT will stop a true runaway.and the CD-List has covered that subject alot, and is in their archives. I would rather drive a horse with my pinkies, then HOLD its mouth all day or be pulled on. I also like the French Link Bits. They have the snaffle in a 3-jointed part, seems to fit the Fjord flat pallets better. Hope everyone has a GRAND 4th of July weekend. Cant wait to see some of you in Blue Earth, in a few weeks. Steve, are you going to have those T-Shirts there for sale? If not, put me down for a XXX Large, ( OK IM FLUFFY AND LIKE TO SHRINK THEM..) and I'll get a check right off to you, will P/U at BE.Thanks ! Lisa Pedersen PS Has anyone arrainged our Dairy Queen meeting yet? H, Steve? Mike ? HAVE YOU DRIVEN A FJORD...Lately ?
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/5/99 12:13:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Clicker training takes more time and patience. I trained a "head up" command. He does it automatically when we keep ourselves in practice - before he has time to think that he is leaving that juicy grass. >> Thanks for the advice Gail. Funny how we all have this problem of our Fjords wanting to eat! I do tell my horses "heads up" and praise them for it, so they know the command somewhat. Guess I need to keep up with this! Brigid
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This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi List, Western Horseman Magazine just had an article on rope halters. There were directions on how to tie and know your own. I'll see if I can dig it up and then post the date of the issue. Denise in Mokelumne Hill, Calif. - Original Message - From: Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 1999 10:36 AM Subject: Re: Halters > This message is from: Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > The rope halters (like Silvertips, etc.) can't be left on an > unattended horse. There are no weak points on them. New flat > nylon or leather halters are also so strong that a horse can't > escape if it hangs on something. Many companies (BMB for one) > are making flat halters that will break with a fair amout of > stress. > > I just bought a pair of rope Silvertip halters at Equitana and > I enjoy them because thy have a lot more handle on them than a > flat halter. On the circumfrence of the muzzle, where the > noseband wraps around, there is bone on top, then a groove, > then a meaty/muscle part and another groove below that. I > think that for ultimate control I need to put the two knots on > the meaty part of her muzzle, now they rest in the groove > below it - can anyone confirm this? > > Meredith Sessoms > Soddy-Daisy, Tennessee, USA > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ~ Dorina & NFR Aagot ~ > >
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This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I am only concerned about the possibility of a halter without metal > as I have three horses out of seven which have problems with the metal > causing sores. This is why I asked about rope halters. I would be even MORE concerned about rope halters causing sores! Halter rubs happen because the halter is moving with respect to the horse's hide. On pasture, this is because the horse is biting off grass, chewing it, and swallowing---the jaws move in opposing directions, and the halter can't "move with" both parts at once---it has to slide across, hence rub, some part of the animal's face. Rope halters are put together with knots. In fact, much of their appeal in "natural horsemanship"-style training is those knots, which form small pressure points, the better to get "messages" across to an inattentive equine. In a pasture situation, those knots are going to rub off not just hair, but also hide! Rope halters are also risky in terms of animals getting caught in them. An equine that is shod behind is at risk of getting his halter hung between the heel of the shoe and the hoof, if he scratches at an itchy spot on his face. Rope halters are unlikely to break. I've got one Fjord who's sometimes hard to catch, but no, I won't leave a halter on him any time that I'm not on the other end of the lead rope, or within a few feet of him. It's just too big a risk, IMHO. For nylon halters that rub in other situations, the first thing to do is wash them thoroughly to get out all chemicals, and especially any burs. The second thing is to rinse them very, VERY well, in HOT water---leftover detergent can scald an equine, and despite what the soap box tells you, cold water rinses often don't do the job. Check the halter for any rough stitching or rough spots where the ends of the nylon are melted to stop them from fraying---often, it's not the metal, but the doubled and sewn layers of nylon, next to the metal, that cause problems. Next, try padding the halter pressure points with "fuzzies". Note that this can cause problems if the horse gets his head down into burs, foxtails, etc---you'll have to keep picking out the lumpies. (It's a common problem with fly masks around here.) Or, use leather turnout halters, which are less likely to irritate than nylon, and are usually engineered to break when hung up. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif. ---
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This message is from: Anneli Sundkvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi! Since the trouble is caused by the metal pieces - why not cover these with some kind of textile tape (there are stuff that athlets use to fasten bandages that are excellent for a lot of horsey stuff too:o)) and see what happens? Perhaps this is an allergic reaction. Mabye you clean the metal pieces with something that causes the sores? I've seen pics of a horse that was thought to have gotten his sores from too tight a bridle, but it turned out to be the leather oil that had caused the problem. He was allergic to it. Change of brand, and everything was fine. Just some ideas Concerning letting horses out with halter: I avoid this, but I've bought cotton-halters for the horses to wear IF they occasinally have to be let out with their halters on. The idea with these halters are that they should break if the horse gets stuck. I don't know if it would work, but it makes me feel a little safer. A lady I know lost a fjord because she got stuck with her back hoof when scratching. The horse was out of sight for less than an hour...eversince I've been a little hysterical about letting the horses out with halters on. Regards Anneli in Sweden Anneli Sundkvist Dept. of Archaeology & Ancient History St. Eriks torg 5 75310 Uppsala SWEDEN +46-18-4712082 (work) +46-18-553627 (home)
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This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've tried stud chains and rope halters Gunthar. Neither worked all that well - though better control than nylon web. Also tried sweeping a whip under his nose as he goes down to grass dive - made him pull his head up fast - but he tended to get kinda spooky about his head. The best solutions to grass diving have been clicker training AND/OR a knee (or whip) in the belly as the head goes down. The latter (more violent method) works very well - as the horse doesn't really seem to know where it came from - so they don't resist or fight back. Clicker training takes more time and patience. I trained a "head up" command. He does it automatically when we keep ourselves in practice - before he has time to think that he is leaving that juicy grass. Now, mounted, or ponying - I haven't got a solution yet. :) Gail >Hi Lynda- > >I am enjoying the posts on halters. I started with the halters which "came >with" my two geldings. They were flat nylon. I had problems keeping the >horses heads out of the grass, especially when leading both at once! I heard >that thin rope halters offered more control, and found this to be true. When >my horses' heads hit the ground, you need a crane to get them back up. The >rope halters give me an extra edge in keeping the heads up while leading. > Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone, I suppose I should clarify my question about halters since some people appear to be in an uproar about our pasture procedures. #1. I am only concerned about the possibility of a halter without metal as I have three horses out of seven which have problems with the metal causing sores. This is why I asked about rope halters. #2. One of these horses wears a halter at the most an hour a day, during working times. #3. Out of these three horses, only two are allowed for short periods to go out to pasture, which in our case is a pretty small field. I am normally within sight of them when they are out. I believe Karen answered most of my questions about the rope halters, and I am going to try them to see if this problem can be rectified. Thanks to everyone for their responses! They are appreciated! Lynda Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm
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This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lynda, If you use rope halters you should DEFINITELY NOT turn them out with those halters on unsupervised: They do not break and would be dangerous if they caught on something! Jean in Fairbanks, AK A >Thanks for the info on the rope halters. They sound very much like what I am >looking for, and will try a couple of stores here first. If I cannot find >them, I will email you. One questiondo they have any metal on them which >touches the horse's face? I am positive it is the metal causing the problem. > > >Thanks, > >Lynda >Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm > > Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Karen, everyone, Thanks for the info on the rope halters. They sound very much like what I am looking for, and will try a couple of stores here first. If I cannot find them, I will email you. One questiondo they have any metal on them which touches the horse's face? I am positive it is the metal causing the problem. Thanks, Lynda Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm
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This message is from: Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The rope halters (like Silvertips, etc.) can't be left on an unattended horse. There are no weak points on them. New flat nylon or leather halters are also so strong that a horse can't escape if it hangs on something. Many companies (BMB for one) are making flat halters that will break with a fair amout of stress. I just bought a pair of rope Silvertip halters at Equitana and I enjoy them because thy have a lot more handle on them than a flat halter. On the circumfrence of the muzzle, where the noseband wraps around, there is bone on top, then a groove, then a meaty/muscle part and another groove below that. I think that for ultimate control I need to put the two knots on the meaty part of her muzzle, now they rest in the groove below it - can anyone confirm this? Meredith Sessoms Soddy-Daisy, Tennessee, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Dorina & NFR Aagot ~
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This message is from: Karen McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Has anyone tried rope halters? Lynda Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm Hi Linda, I use rope halters made out of a very strong, but relativly thin nylon. They are pliable and not at all stiff, made w/ the "good type" of adjustable knots. I use the thin black ones under driving bridles when training or on the marathon CDE phase, and some of the thinner,"slinkier" halters are great for packing - just slip one in your coat pocket or saddlebag! Some people like them, as they provide a little extra wake up call to horses that pull, as it applies pressure over a smaller surface area. We get them from an endurance rider who handmakes them in No. Calif. They come in various colours, some multi, and range in price from $12.00 -$15.00. If interested in these halters, (we do sell them), email privately. Cheers, Karen P.S. in the winter, I rely on the regular type of nylon webbing halter, as they are easier to do up w/ gloved hands! ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
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This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lynda, no halters after three days of having a carrot or a half an apple or a handful of grain in their stall feeders when they come in, one at a time so you can close doors behind them. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle -Original Message- From: Bushnell's <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Saturday, July 03, 1999 7:53 AM Subject: halters >
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This message is from: Jenn Hammon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi. just make sure that the halters aren't tite.You don't want big old sores on their face do you? Thanks Kay. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > In a message dated 7/3/99 7:36:14 AM Pacific > Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > > << Has anyone tried rope halters? >> > > Hi Lynda- > > I am enjoying the posts on halters. I started with > the halters which "came > with" my two geldings. They were flat nylon. I had > problems keeping the > horses heads out of the grass, especially when > leading both at once! I heard > that thin rope halters offered more control, and > found this to be true. When > my horses' heads hit the ground, you need a crane to > get them back up. The > rope halters give me an extra edge in keeping the > heads up while leading. > > I agree that leaving halters on can be dangerous. I > let my horses run loose > in the arena (halters on) before we "work," but I > am there watching. When > unsupervised, halters are off (and removed from the > area, as they will chew > them up : ) > > Brigid in CA > _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/3/99 7:36:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Has anyone tried rope halters? >> Hi Lynda- I am enjoying the posts on halters. I started with the halters which "came with" my two geldings. They were flat nylon. I had problems keeping the horses heads out of the grass, especially when leading both at once! I heard that thin rope halters offered more control, and found this to be true. When my horses' heads hit the ground, you need a crane to get them back up. The rope halters give me an extra edge in keeping the heads up while leading. I agree that leaving halters on can be dangerous. I let my horses run loose in the arena (halters on) before we "work," but I am there watching. When unsupervised, halters are off (and removed from the area, as they will chew them up : ) Brigid in CA
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This message is from: "Bushnell's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We never allow a halter to be left on a horse unattended under any circumstances, it's an accident waiting to happen. Even in this small area we heard of a horse killed a couple of years ago that caught his back shoe in the halter when scratching. It was too late to save the Q-horse time it was discovered. Only one example of many things that can go wrong with halters. Incidentally, recall Gene's story of his Fjords running home when he hollered? It was some kind of fluke I guess as hasn't happened again:) In fact one night they had prestorm jitters and it was like rounding up squirrels! (I know they were horse-laughing at us!) Ruthie, NW MT
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Karen, Thanks for the info on the solution, we will try it. Until these horses all know each other, and we are certain of them getting along, catching them, etc., they will wear their halters when out for their alloted time. I should have said in my earlier post it appears to be the metal pieces of the halters which are causing this problem. One of the horses which has these sores is not allowed out to pasture, so only wears a halter maybe an hour a day. Has anyone tried rope halters? Lynda Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm
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This message is from: Jenn Hammon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well you might have the halters to tite. My horse did that so I loosend the halter some and he was fine. Or you could just take the halter off when they are out in the pasture. Welcome Kay. --- Karen McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Karen McCarthy > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >We seem to be having problems with halters causing > sores on a few of >our > >Fjords...We only use halters for leading and we do > leave them on >when the > >horses are out to pasture for their allotted 1-5 > hours > >per day. Lynda >Bailey's Fjord Horse Farm > > Gee,Lynda, > > The first thing that comes to my mind, and probably > most of us here at "the > List" is: Why are you leaving the halters on while > they are out at pasture? > Unless you are using funky,old leather halters that > can easily break should > a horse get hung up, forget using them at turnout! > I live in arid N. Nevada, and my herd is on > irrigated pasture at least half > a day. The few bugs we do have here really seem to > drive them nuts.They itch > their cheeks and jaws and just about every other > kind of anatomical > protrubrance on the fences and trees. A halter would > really cause some bad > rubs and also pull out a few fenceposts, not to > mention cause injury to the > horses. > For itchy spots caused by Buffalo gnats and > mosqoitos,and just plain old > rubbing I have been applying a product by Gold > Nugget called GnatAway, (to > repel them) and following it up with another product > they make called Equine > Theraputic Lotion,( ETL.) I used this stuff on a > filly,that overnight looked > like she had rubbed half of the hair on her face. In > 3 weeks she was on the > road showing, most of her hair growing in nicely. > > Take care, Karen > > > ___ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit > http://www.msn.com > _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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This message is from: Karen McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We seem to be having problems with halters causing sores on a few of >our Fjords...We only use halters for leading and we do leave them on >when the horses are out to pasture for their allotted 1-5 hours per day. Lynda Bailey's Fjord Horse Farm Gee,Lynda, The first thing that comes to my mind, and probably most of us here at "the List" is: Why are you leaving the halters on while they are out at pasture? Unless you are using funky,old leather halters that can easily break should a horse get hung up, forget using them at turnout! I live in arid N. Nevada, and my herd is on irrigated pasture at least half a day. The few bugs we do have here really seem to drive them nuts.They itch their cheeks and jaws and just about every other kind of anatomical protrubrance on the fences and trees. A halter would really cause some bad rubs and also pull out a few fenceposts, not to mention cause injury to the horses. For itchy spots caused by Buffalo gnats and mosqoitos,and just plain old rubbing I have been applying a product by Gold Nugget called GnatAway, (to repel them) and following it up with another product they make called Equine Theraputic Lotion,( ETL.) I used this stuff on a filly,that overnight looked like she had rubbed half of the hair on her face. In 3 weeks she was on the road showing, most of her hair growing in nicely. Take care, Karen ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone! We seem to be having problems with halters causing sores on a few of our Fjords. We have tried three different brands, both nylon and leather, clips and no clips. We have tried tightening them up to no effect, and had no effect when we loosened them. We only use halters for leading and we do leave them on when the horses are out to pasture for their allotted 1-5 hours per day. Otherwise, the halters are removed. Three out of the seven Fjords we have are having this problem. Has anyone else had this problem or does someone have any ideas that could possibly rectify this? Thanks! Lynda Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm
Re: Saddles, bits, halters @ Running-W's
This message is from: Anneli Sundkvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi! I own 2 fjords, one 14 yo mare and a 6 yo gelding. I use cob-sized halters and bridles for my mare, but I have to replace the strap over her forehead with one full-sized. My gelding can wear either cob-sized or full-sized halters/bridles, but i have to replace the same strap as on my mare's bridle if I chose a cob-sized bridle, so when I bought a new bridle in november I chosed a full-sized. My mare actually has one pony-sized bridle. She needs it for her pessoa bit, which aquires shorter straps, but I had to remove almost every other single piece of the bridle but the straps that keeps the bit up! Generally, "full size" here in Sweden is "warmblood size", "cob" is "arab/larger pony size" and "pony" for smaller ponies. We also have "shetland size" and "Belgian size" (for heavier drafts). We fjord-owners (and some arab-owners) often have problems, since many fjordhorses have shorter but broader heads than the horses that were used as models for the "cob size". I guess many of us replace straps... When it comes to saddles, I only have experience from English saddles. I use "Hubertus" saddles, that are sold by a Danish company - Three Horses of Scandinavia. I think the saddles are English made. These saddles are not very high in price and fits many fjords (If you chose the wide tree). I have one dressage model and one all purpose saddle. Both are great. My mare has an extremely wide back and NO withers, so I had PROBLEMS finding a saddle for her. It was impossible to find a saddle that was 100% good (well, I guess if I had had one done for her, but I didn't have the ...), so I use rubber pads to adjust it. I've done this since 1992 and it works good. She has never shown any signs of aching back or anything. It also makes the saddle more comfortable for the riders. Almost every saddle felt like you were going downhill - backwards. Not too nice. For the record: I know an English lady who lives in Sweden. She has Fell ponies and has problems finding a fitting saddle for one of them, so she's thinking about having one done for him in England. There is a saddlery, called THE PONY SADDLE COMPANY that makes saddles especially fit for ponies with round, broad back, no withers etc. You send them photos and measurements of your pony and they make the saddle for you! There are several models you can chose from, such as all purpose, close contact, dressage, flat back...and at a very reasonable price: £400 (c. $600 I think) + shipping, I guess. I would like to have a jumping saddle for my gelding Cider, so I'm thinking about ordering one for him when I can afford it. Sounds very good for fjords too, eh? Anyone who has experience of this company? Regards from Anneli in Sweden
Re: Saddles, bits, halters @ Running-W's
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Information Architecture) Hi! I'm with Jean Gayle on this one! I have five Fjords, including a stallion. The stallion and one mare with a large head take a "medium sized horse halter," and the others all take a regular/small halter. Bits range from 5 " to 6 " (on the mare, not the stallion), with a range in between. For English saddles, I've used a #4 in an English-made dressage saddle, a medium-wide in a close contact saddle, and successfully used an adjustable tree type saddle. I believe a number of dressage people use Niedersuss saddles and are very happy with them, and those saddles do really well with round backed horses. I know several people who use Crates full QH bars Western saddles and have used them for years -- round skirted ones or single-skirted ones. When I spoke with Bob van Bon's wife this summer, she said that in the Netherlands they used mostly regular-width Stubben saddles on their Fjords, and Stubbens do not tend to be very wide! As for the running W, I would run, not walk, away from any trainer that wanted to use that method on a horse newly introduced to driving. I know people who do so, but plenty of lovely driving horses have been trained without resorting to such means. Becky Vorpagel Jont Creek Acres Monmouth, Oregon
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This message is from: Sam & Sue Banks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Everyone, My sisters requested that I make them a few more hand tied halters and hand spliced lead ropes for Christmas, so I bought enough rope to make the price break. I made a few extras during my time off over the Thanksgiving holiday that are for sale - I doubt I will have time to make more until after Christmas so I apologize in advance if I disappoint anyone. These are similar to the Parelli style equiptment. I use Samson Stable Braid, made of Dacron polyester, for both the leads and halters. It is by far the best quality and weight, but it only comes in white with blue runners. I can get colored rope in another brand which I use for halters only, and I currently have 2 red halters. The halters are 1/4 inch rope, the leads are 1/2 inch rope, twelve feet long with spliced in bull snap and leather popper at the end. Most halters fit a typical horse, but I do have 2 halters made to fit my sisters' "Virginia Warmbloods" (ie, longer bigger muzzle horses). ItemPrice Quantity available White halters $15.00 4 regular, 2 large Red halters $20.00 2 12' leads $25.00 4 22' ring rope $35.00 1 Postage additional, will vary, but I think I can fit one lead and halter in a $3.00 Priority Mail package. Contact me privately at mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >for more information. If you are not familiar with this equiptment, I must warn you that the halters are unbreakable, and NEVER leave them on an unsupervised horse. Use this equiptment for training but not turnout. The lead ropes are very tough, a splice is a strong way to hold a snap, but the snap can potentially break. Sue Banks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
