Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

[Christopher T. Day]

Or that only one person has the authority and access rights to make such
a Beta tag. There should be some sort of testing required or it's hardly
a beta, after all. The tester could be the one to declare the beta.


Chris - AE6VK


-Original Message-
From: Jim Lux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 8:12 PM
To: Christopher T. Day; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: RE: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

At 12:16 PM 4/16/2006, Christopher T. Day wrote:
>Jim,
>
>Keeping track of the betas is _really_ easy in SVN. Assuming you have
>write access to the SVN repository, right click on the mainline "trunk"
>folder and select "Copy to ...". In the URL that comes up, replace
>"trunk" with "tags/" and let 'er rip. Bingo! A beta version.


But that presumes that the development team is being "good" about
properly 
labeling tags, etc.


>Note that this DOES NOT actually copy the files, only the repository
>version at the instant of beta creation. When files are downloaded from
>the beta directory of the repository, SVN reconstructs the proper file
>versions.

Re: [Flexradio] Another Try -- Subversion, Alpha, Beta

[Dan Babcock]

Hi Don,
 =

 In what seeems like another lifetime I worked for a large corporation that=
 seemed to measure everything in memo inches.  My boss in those days gave m=
e some great advice on writing memos,  I think it translates pretty well to=
 asking for help on reflectors.
 =

 Five Rules of Memo Writing.
 =

 1.  One subject per memo.
 2.  Be Concise.
 3.  One subject per memo.
 4.  Don't editorialize.
 5.  One subject per memo.
 =

 I am glad that your difficulties with starting PowerSDR were resolved.  Th=
e answers to solving your problem saved me and no doubt many others a lot o=
f angst.  And I learned how to use SVN today.
 =

 In defense of those, including yours truly, who didn't quite get the point=
 of your original inquiry -- it took a couple of passes to figure out exact=
ly what you were asking.
 =

 73,
 =

 Dan N4XWE

Don AE5K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Everyone...

Earlier today I sent a message to the FlexRadio list with the subject
"Am I Missing Something? ..." which started an avalanche of "replies".
It involved my frustration at trying to get the latest alpha version of
PowerSDR from the SVN site running.

I found the problem later this afternoon.  The problem is that the
"Release" folder (from SVN) does not contain two dll files from
Microsoft that have been in the past included in the installation of
previous betas and releases.  Copying those two files into the alpha
folder allowed PowerSDR to work.

I would like to emphasize that stuff like this needs to be documented
somewhere so that others don't run into the same problem.

It was not my intention to start a big debate over the merits of
Subversion.  It is a neat program/system.  The URL that Chris mentioned
to just download the releases would have helped me and I'm sure that tip
will help others save on downloading time if they are not interested in
source files.

While I've got the floor, I'd like to try to clear up a misconception
that I had and I think that others had too.  Gerald has NOW made it
clear (I think) that Betas will continue to be posted on the website.
THIS IS NOT WHAT I HAD UNDERSTOOD from previous very recent postings on
the FlexRadio reflector, to wit:

> We are done FOREVER with releasing alpha and beta level =

> code via the web interface.
--Robert McGwier rwmcgwier at comcast.net
Fri Apr 14 06:28:27 CDT 2006

> As such, there will =

> be no more Beta (or what should have been called alpha) releases done on =

> the web site. =

--Robert McGwier rwmcgwier at comcast.net
Sat Apr 15 12:46:30 CDT 2006

I hope, Gerald, you see why there are some bad thoughts and confusion on
this reflector.  I was under the impression that only official releases
(such as 1.4.4 and 1.6.0) would be placed on the website for download;
your latest postings indicate otherwise.

Editorial (soapbox) comment: my posting this morning indicated I had
problems.  I felt it fell in that gray zone between cockpit problems and
bugs and that I might get advice and help from this list and was not a
candidate for the buglist.  I was WRONG!  Not a single one of the
replies (counted 19 so far) addressed the problem I was having.  Instead
it veered off into off-topic stuff which was of no help to the original
poster who had a problem.  So much for help from those more experienced
that I.  That has not been the case in the past on this list, and I
certainly hope it is not the trend.

73,
Don AE5K

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Re: [Flexradio] MixW2 running on SDR1K ?

[Tim Ellison]

FYI, You can also find it in the files section on the SDR-1000 Yahoo
discussion group.

-Tim
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher T.
Day
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 11:00 PM
To: Charles Greene; Dave Meitzen; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] MixW2 running on SDR1K ?

How come there is no pointer to Bob's paper under the Expert setups list
on the Flew Radio Web site? Would be really useful. Thanks.


Chris - AE6VK


-Original Message-
From: Charles Greene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 2:38 PM
To: Dave Meitzen; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] MixW2 running on SDR1K ?

Dave,

If you set up the SDR and MixW EXACTLY as Bob does on his paper on 
the web site: "How to Setup VAC with PowerSDR," it will work every 
time.The only deviations you should have are in the com port numbers: 
make them reflect what you actually have running.

73,  Chas, W1CG

At 05:28 PM 4/16/2006, Dave Meitzen wrote:
>Is there a good source (in one place) to get information for running
MixW2
>on the SDR1K? I have VAC running and get audio to the MixW2 but it does
not
>seem to pick out the PSK31 -- lots of hash ??
>
>Have a Great Easter -- I am showing my grandkids SDR1K !! They like it
too.
>
>Thanks
>Dave
>
>
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Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

[Jim Lux]

At 12:16 PM 4/16/2006, Christopher T. Day wrote:

Jim,

Keeping track of the betas is _really_ easy in SVN. Assuming you have
write access to the SVN repository, right click on the mainline "trunk"
folder and select "Copy to ...". In the URL that comes up, replace
"trunk" with "tags/" and let 'er rip. Bingo! A beta version.



But that presumes that the development team is being "good" about properly 
labeling tags, etc.




Note that this DOES NOT actually copy the files, only the repository
version at the instant of beta creation. When files are downloaded from
the beta directory of the repository, SVN reconstructs the proper file
versions.

Re: [Flexradio] MixW2 running on SDR1K ?

[Christopher T. Day]

How come there is no pointer to Bob's paper under the Expert setups list
on the Flew Radio Web site? Would be really useful. Thanks.


Chris - AE6VK


-Original Message-
From: Charles Greene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 2:38 PM
To: Dave Meitzen; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] MixW2 running on SDR1K ?

Dave,

If you set up the SDR and MixW EXACTLY as Bob does on his paper on 
the web site: "How to Setup VAC with PowerSDR," it will work every 
time.The only deviations you should have are in the com port numbers: 
make them reflect what you actually have running.

73,  Chas, W1CG

At 05:28 PM 4/16/2006, Dave Meitzen wrote:
>Is there a good source (in one place) to get information for running
MixW2
>on the SDR1K? I have VAC running and get audio to the MixW2 but it does
not
>seem to pick out the PSK31 -- lots of hash ??
>
>Have a Great Easter -- I am showing my grandkids SDR1K !! They like it
too.
>
>Thanks
>Dave
>
>
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Re: [Flexradio] [OT] dual-boot Windows XP machine

[Dan Babcock]

Ken,

If you have ever add a new hard drive to an Windows XP
machine and install the XP OS on the new drive and
leave the XP OS on the old drive bootable, you will,
like it or not, end up with a Windows XP dual boot
system.  Your options will be to run the old disk XP
OS or the new disk XP OS.  After moving data from the
old disk to the new disk and deleting the old XP OS,
the system on start up will still present the XP OS
dual boot choices.  The only problem is the XP OS on
the old disk won't actually boot.

The method of fixing this problem is rather obscure
but requires manually editing the boot.ini file to
reflect a single boot choice per the instructions in
this link -- http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=289022

73,

Dan N4XWE




--- Ken N9VV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sometime this week there was a discussion about how
> to setup a PC 
> for dual boot of Windows XP. We usually think of
> dual-boot as being 
> for dissimilar Operating Systems. But in this setup
> there might be 
> two implementations of XP. One fellow suggested
> separate profiles 
> would also be worth looking into.
> 
> The idea is to have one PC personality that has all
> your email, 
> browsing, and auxiliary utilities. The other
> personality might be 
> stripped down for controlling your SDR-1000 only (no
> internet, no 
> extras) so that all the cycles could go to the
> Console code. These 
> articles might have some nuggets of info to enable
> that kind of a 
> dual-boot structure:
> 
>
http://www.informationweek.com/shared/printableArticle.jhtml?articleID=185301251
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=291980
> 
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[Flexradio] Making Tortise SVN work

[Lee A Crocker]

Here is a URL that contains the main dope:

http://w9oy.painloss.com/SDR1000/tortise.html

The short version:

1  Download and install PowerSDR 1.6.0 from
flex-radio.com

2  Download and install this .msi file:

TortoiseSVN-1.3.3.6219-svn-1.3.1.msi 

from this site:

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=138498&package_id=151948
 

it is the third file down the list.  Don't download
the .src zip file but the .msi file.  After you
install you will be prompted to restart.. so restart.

3  Open windows explorer and create a folder called
SVN_release and open that folder

4  right click SVN_release and choose the "SVN
Commit..." option.  A box will open and paste this URL
into the url field:

svn://206.216.146.154/svn/repos_sdr_windows/PowerSDR/trunk/bin/Release

Several files will download into the "SVN_release"
folder 

5  Go to the folder where you have PowerSDR 1.6.0 and
copy the following files to the SVN_release folder

ADOBD.dll
Microsoft.Directx.DirectInput.dll
Microsoft.directX.dll

Double click PowerSDR and it will start.  The first
thing it will do is start FFTW_wisdom and create a
file called wisdom.  This is a one time deal and will
take a few minutes.  Next it will start the
initialization dialog.  Complete that and you will
have the latest beta version going for you.  To
upgrade the beta just right click the SVN_release
folder and click SVN Update, or you can make a copy of
this folder and move it if you want to compile a
library of beta releases.  

It took me longer to write this than it takes to
implement this.



The Long version:

I am not a programmer I am a user.  However I do like
fooling with the beta software.

I decided to try to learn how to make this SVN
business work.  So here are the steps I followed.

First I downloaded and installed PowerSDR version
1.6.0 from flex-radio.com

Second I downloaded the TortiseSVN software at this
site:

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=138498&package_id=151948

I downloaded this file 

TortoiseSVN-1.3.3.6219-svn-1.3.1.msi 

it is the .msi file third down the list not the src
source file.

I installed TortiseSVN.  Tortise SVN is a programs
that modifies windows explorer and gives it some extra
choices when you right click a folder.  You have to
restart to get the extra extensions to take effect.

I opened up windows explorer and created a folder
called SVN, and opened that folder.  I right clicked
that folder in the tree and clicked the choice SVN
Commit...

This opened a box to which I entered the URL

svn://206.216.146.154/svn/repos_sdr_windows/PowerSDR. 

This downloaded the entire tortiseSVN file to my
computer.  

I navigated to the folder ...\trunk\bin\Release

and clicked on PowerSDR.  Power SDR started
FFTW-wisdom and created a wisdom file and then tried
to start and ran into a fatal error.  Apparently there
were some files missing.  

The first file missing was ADOBD.dll  So I went to
where my flex-radio 1.6.0 folder was located and
copied ADOBD.dll to the \trunk\bin\Release folder and
tried again.  This time
Microsoft.DirectX.DirectInput.dll was missing so I
went to PowerSDR 1.6.1 and copied that file to
\trunk\bin\Release\.  The third time it complianed
about Microsoft.DirectX.dll so back to the 1.6.0
folder and I copied this file to \trunk\bin\Release\. 
Oh Joy!!!  The program started and I went through the
initialization process and WWV was on the panadapter
in 10 seconds.

It was easy to do and I am very happy with the result.
 If you can navigate windows explorer you can use this
tool.

73  W9OY


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Re: [Flexradio] Mic Pre?

[William Bordy]

Hi Brian,

In addition to the D44 sound card, I use the motherboard sound interface and
a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz sound card installed in my computer.

I use the mic input of the Santa Cruz as a preamplifier and use the output
of the Santa Cruz to drive the mic input of the D44 card. 

I set my Santa Cruz as the default sound device and set the windows sound
scheme to "no sounds".

With the above setup, you can also use the Santa Cruz as a voice keyer.

I use the sound circuits on the motherboard as a system mixer. The D-44
speaker output drives the aux input on the motherboard. The motherboard
sound out connector drives my headphones or speakers.

The above explains phone operation, but I also use the Santa Cruz for
digital modes with the addition of a Y-cable from the D-44 speaker output to
drive both the motherboard aux input and the Santa Cruz aux input.

To reduce cable lengths, I also use a D44 interface board. This was
available at one time at http://www.hamsdr.com/. (Don't know the current
status of availability. Perhaps someone else can shed some light on that.)
This adapter board has 1/8" female connectors and plugs directly into the
D-44 sound card's D connector eliminating the need for the large D-44 1/4"
connectors patch box.

The above works fine for me.

73,
Bill
NJ1H


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Sherrod
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 3:17 PM
To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] Mic Pre?

I know I read somewhere that someone did some rather extensive testing on
the 
audio input for the SDR-1000, and found that a low noise mic pre ahead of
the 
box was better than cranking up the gain on the console.  This makes sense
to 
me as I've found the same in the past using analog type devices.  I used to 
use a Symetrix 528 voice processor, however it appears to be dead now.  

The article I read (somewhere) mentioned a Behringer Eurorack UB802 Mixer.  
The price was right, so I ordered one the other day.

My question is this; should I use the input on the SDR-1000 box or the D-44 
from the UB802 mixer?  I plan to use a balanced line, low-z mic.

As mentioned in my earlier post, I don't have my sdr-1000 yet, but I'm just 
trying (hoping) to get some things established ahead of time.

TIA & 73

Brian
w5ami

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[Flexradio] Another Try -- Subversion, Alpha, Beta

[Don AE5K]

Hello Everyone...

Earlier today I sent a message to the FlexRadio list with the subject
"Am I Missing Something? ..." which started an avalanche of "replies".
It involved my frustration at trying to get the latest alpha version of
PowerSDR from the SVN site running.

I found the problem later this afternoon.  The problem is that the
"Release" folder (from SVN) does not contain two dll files from
Microsoft that have been in the past included in the installation of
previous betas and releases.  Copying those two files into the alpha
folder allowed PowerSDR to work.

I would like to emphasize that stuff like this needs to be documented
somewhere so that others don't run into the same problem.

It was not my intention to start a big debate over the merits of
Subversion.  It is a neat program/system.  The URL that Chris mentioned
to just download the releases would have helped me and I'm sure that tip
will help others save on downloading time if they are not interested in
source files.

While I've got the floor, I'd like to try to clear up a misconception
that I had and I think that others had too.  Gerald has NOW made it
clear (I think) that Betas will continue to be posted on the website.
THIS IS NOT WHAT I HAD UNDERSTOOD from previous very recent postings on
the FlexRadio reflector, to wit:

> We are done FOREVER with releasing alpha and beta level 
> code via the web interface.
--Robert McGwier rwmcgwier at comcast.net
Fri Apr 14 06:28:27 CDT 2006

> As such, there will 
> be no more Beta (or what should have been called alpha) releases done on 
> the web site. 
--Robert McGwier rwmcgwier at comcast.net
Sat Apr 15 12:46:30 CDT 2006

I hope, Gerald, you see why there are some bad thoughts and confusion on
this reflector.  I was under the impression that only official releases
(such as 1.4.4 and 1.6.0) would be placed on the website for download;
your latest postings indicate otherwise.

Editorial (soapbox) comment: my posting this morning indicated I had
problems.  I felt it fell in that gray zone between cockpit problems and
bugs and that I might get advice and help from this list and was not a
candidate for the buglist.  I was WRONG!  Not a single one of the
replies (counted 19 so far) addressed the problem I was having.  Instead
it veered off into off-topic stuff which was of no help to the original
poster who had a problem.  So much for help from those more experienced
that I.  That has not been the case in the past on this list, and I
certainly hope it is not the trend.

73,
Don AE5K

Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

[Mike Naruta]

Cool.


BTW, not long after I assembled my Heathkit Microwave
Oven (274 screws! My wrist was sore for a week),
my brother-in-law decided to hard boil some eggs.

He said that he wound up using toothpicks to clean out
the tiny holes in the front door.  This was before
Heath sent out the plastic panel to fit over the
front door.


Mike - AA8K



Eric Ellison wrote:

Mike

Nope... You put a little pinhole in each end of the egg and blow in one of
em real hard and everything comes out. Sort of the equivalent of the reverse
of 'ship in a bottle'. Only the bottle ain't clear. Then you decorate them
and put them back in the box, sort of the equivalent of "Short Sheeting"...
Don't have to cookem at all! (note if you are careful you can color them
before blowing them)

Then givem to you grandkids! Just like "Ship in a bottle" they wonder: "Now
did Popper do that? Really low cholesterol also! Win Win!

Eric2

Re: [Flexradio] [OT] dual-boot Windows XP machine

[Stan]

I dual boot XP and Mandriva Linux, I have been doing this for a long time now.
Since I have fewer security issues with Mandriva I use it 95 % of the time.

The only time I use XP is when I absolutely need to run a windows program like
Autodesk Civil 3D or ArcGIS.

Otherwise theres no reason to use XP.

I have another much better machine which is set up in similar fashion but the 
ONLY windows program I use it for is SDR.

I block it from the internet as much as possible. this keeps the windows 
partition clean from all the garbage on the net and in top shape for the SDR 
radio.

Stan
AH6JR




On Sunday 16 April 2006 12:48 pm, Ken N9VV wrote:
> Sometime this week there was a discussion about how to setup a PC
> for dual boot of Windows XP. We usually think of dual-boot as being
> for dissimilar Operating Systems. But in this setup there might be
> two implementations of XP. One fellow suggested separate profiles
> would also be worth looking into.
>
> The idea is to have one PC personality that has all your email,
> browsing, and auxiliary utilities. The other personality might be
> stripped down for controlling your SDR-1000 only (no internet, no
> extras) so that all the cycles could go to the Console code. These
> articles might have some nuggets of info to enable that kind of a
> dual-boot structure:
>
> http://www.informationweek.com/shared/printableArticle.jhtml?articleID=1853
>01251 http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=291980
>
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[Flexradio] [OT] dual-boot Windows XP machine

[Ken N9VV]

Sometime this week there was a discussion about how to setup a PC 
for dual boot of Windows XP. We usually think of dual-boot as being 
for dissimilar Operating Systems. But in this setup there might be 
two implementations of XP. One fellow suggested separate profiles 
would also be worth looking into.


The idea is to have one PC personality that has all your email, 
browsing, and auxiliary utilities. The other personality might be 
stripped down for controlling your SDR-1000 only (no internet, no 
extras) so that all the cycles could go to the Console code. These 
articles might have some nuggets of info to enable that kind of a 
dual-boot structure:


http://www.informationweek.com/shared/printableArticle.jhtml?articleID=185301251
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=291980

de ken n9vv

[Flexradio] One more try re. Beta availability

[Gerald Youngblood]

Hello all,
 
Let me try again on the subject of Beta software availability.  Here are the
facts:
 
1) FlexRadio is to my knowledge the only amateur radio manufacturer that
provides its software under open source license.
2) Beta will continue to be available as it always has on the FlexRadio
website for download.  Nothing changes here.
3) What we called "Beta Preview XX" in the past probably should have been
called Alpha.  In the past, these were released often weekly or sometimes
multiple times per week.  
4) Alpha executables will be available for simple public download from the
SVN.  The SVN will make the latest executable available instantly (i.e. more
frequent than past Betas).
5) Betas will be less frequent than in the past -- because they were really
not Betas in the first place but Alphas.  We are clarifying the difference
now.  Alpha is very likely to have newly induced bugs.  Beta is considered
much more stable but is not ready for official release.
6) It will be several weeks before we have a new Beta because we are
completely overhauling the software architecture.  This new architecture
will make it much easier to add custom "skins" as well as to provide for
integrated remote operation.  It will have a new "virtual radio" interface
so that programming and maintenance will become much easier.  This will take
a lot of up front design work before we start coding so be patient.  We also
have Dayton coming up next month.
7) A reflector is not an effective way to report and track bugs or feature
requests.  We now have a system that allows these to be reported, tracked,
and closed out on the support page of our website.  This gives us the
management we need tools to keep things from falling through the cracks.
8) We sincerely appreciate the input from each of our customers that has
helped to make the SDR-1000 what it is and what it will be.  We also
appreciate all of you have contributed to the effort.  
 
Best 73s,
Gerald
 
Gerald Youngblood, K5SDR
FlexRadio Systems
8900 Marybank Drive
Austin, TX 78750
Ph: 512-535-5266
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

[Philip M. Lanese]

Only if you are redecorating the inside of your microwave to yellow

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Naruta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> Shoot!
> 
> I was s'posed to boil 'em first?
> 
> That explains a lot.
> 
> Can I still put 'em in the microwave?
> 
> 
> Mike - AA8K
> 

Re: [Flexradio] Mic Pre?

[Tim Ellison]

I'll get the ball rolling and others feel free to jump in.

First a little background information to make all of this make sense.
The D44 has two (IMHO) minor deficiencies that have to be addressed when
hooking up a mic.  The first is the lack of a mic preamp on the D44
board so you have to get gain from somewhere.  The second is that even
though you can wire up a balanced mic input, it is converted to
unbalanced inside the D44.

Assumptions:  There is not any other audio processing equipment in the
input audio chain.

Item #1 first.  You have three options; use an external mic preamp, use
a mic that has high gain output
(http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1995_articles/jun95/microphones.html)
or crank up the gain in PowerSDR.  Any option will work, but my
preference is to use and external preamp, especially with dynamic or
condenser mics that have relatively low output. You can get mic preamps
ant any store that sells recording hardware.  Some preamps even have
tubes to provide that mellow odd harmonic flavor to your voice. Look for
one that has both balanced and unbalanced inputs and line and mic level
outputs for flexibility.  Also get one that has a variable gain control,
selection for multiple mic impedances and a clip or peak input
indicator.  Obviously a very low noise amp circuit is a necessity.

Now for Item #2. For the D44 I'd suggest an unbalanced line out signal
that is input directly into the D44 (either the breakout box or Eric2's
breakout box eliminator).  If the mic has a balanced output, input it
into the mic preamp the same way.  If the mic is unbalanced, then input
into the mic pre amp unbalanced.

Now, you may have a ground loop problem (hum) so an isolation
transformer in between the preamp output and the D44 input may be
necessary.  These too can be found at music stores that sell a lot of
recording or PA gear.  I know some people who use isolation transformers
in between every piece of audio gear in the audio chain just to make
sure that have ground isolation.

For setup, Connect the mic to the preamp and while talking in a normal
voice that you would for trying to get the last Peter I QSO in the last
15 minutes of their Dxpedition, turn up the gain until the clip light
begins to blink.  Then back it odd just a little bit.  Connect the
preamp to the D44 and set the proper input level on the D44 control
panel for they type of output (line level/mic level) used from the
preamp.

Connect you rig to a dummy load and while transmitting, adjust the
PowerSDR gain to peak at 0 when the TX meter is set for mic.  Then using
a separate transceiver, (or the MON feature on the PowerSDR console)
listen to you output and adjust the EQ until you are happy.  Select the
EQ for the TX meter and make sure that the EQ is not over driving the
input gain level.

That is it.  The difficult part is determining how you plan to wiring
from the mic to the preamp and wiring from the preamp to the D44.

BTW, the Firebox does not have the same limitations noted above as does
the  D44, but it is more expensive (2X) and takes up more CPU cycles to
operate than the D44.  It also has a frequency response roll off while
operating at 96KHz that is in the process of being resolved by Presonus.

My recommendation is that if you really want superb audio, splurge for
the Firebox.


-Tim
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Loen
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 3:14 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Mic Pre?

Brian Sherrod wrote:

>I know I read somewhere that someone did some rather extensive testing
on the 
>audio input for the SDR-1000, and found that a low noise mic pre ahead
of the 
>box was better than cranking up the gain on the console.  This makes
sense to 
>me as I've found the same in the past using analog type devices.  I
used to 
>use a Symetrix 528 voice processor, however it appears to be dead now.

>
>The article I read (somewhere) mentioned a Behringer Eurorack UB802
Mixer.  
>The price was right, so I ordered one the other day.
>
>My question is this; should I use the input on the SDR-1000 box or the
D-44 
>from the UB802 mixer?  I plan to use a balanced line, low-z mic.
>
>As mentioned in my earlier post, I don't have my sdr-1000 yet, but I'm
just 
>trying (hoping) to get some things established ahead of time.
>
>TIA & 73
>
>Brian
>w5ami
>  
>

I have the Behringer mixer as well and have been so deep into digital 
that I haven't bothered to deploy it.  Is there a simple "paint by the 
numbers "guide for D44 and non D44 use?

I know that AA4SW and others have deployed this and we used it in Belize

with great success.

What I really would like to see is a simple "how to" on how to:

1.  Plug in some old monural microphone and get the right output 
(presumably stereo or pseudo stereo) into a proper output plug.

2.  Hoo

Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

[Eric Ellison]

Mark

Not only that SVN can go BACKWARDS! However, this thread is ending on a
positive note, so let's not go backward till next week at least! 

Eric


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Amos
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 5:33 PM
To: 'Christopher T. Day'
Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

Chris,

This is very nice - even faster than the old "zip" download.  I blew away
the old SVN directory, created a new one and tortoised it.  In less than a
minute I had the executable!

Just keeps getting easier!

Mark
W8XR

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher T. Day
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 2:26 PM
To: w2agn; Robert McGwier
Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

If all you want are the binaries, you can simplify this still further by
using

svn://206.216.146.154/svn/repos_sdr_windows/PowerSDR/trunk/bin/Release

in Tim's instructions. That way you will only download the repository
sub-folder with the Release binaries in it. SVN does not require anyone
to download the whole repository.


Chris - AE6VK


-Original Message-
From: w2agn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 11:15 AM
To: Robert McGwier
Cc: Christopher T. Day; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

Robert McGwier wrote:
> We really are doing a poor job of communicating aren't we?
>
> That is exactly what you get with svn.  The tool is easy and free. It
is 
> also available from tigris.
>
> PLEASE people.  Google tortoise svn.  Download the windows installer.

> Do NOT change the little box marked with an X in the configuration set

> up where you are offered the ability to make modifications that will 
> help you build MS Frontpage web site.  This will render it useless for

> our purposes and it is a hack for Frontpage and non standard.  Follow 
> Tim's instructions.  You will have everything I worked on yesterday 
> immediately.
>
> Bob
>
>   
OK, I am definitely NOT a software expert, but I did just what Bob said,

downloaded Tortoise, followed the instructions, got the new binary, and 
viola' it ran! Since I didn't want the Source stuff (not ready to try 
compiling yet!) I cancelled downloading after the "bin" was downloaded. 
I made a new folder under /Program Files/Flexradio/Beta1.6.1 and put all

the "release" there, and then I could dump all the extraneous stuff to 
save disk space.

Not difficult at all.

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Re: [Flexradio] MixW2 running on SDR1K ?

[Charles Greene]

Dave,

If you set up the SDR and MixW EXACTLY as Bob does on his paper on 
the web site: "How to Setup VAC with PowerSDR," it will work every 
time.The only deviations you should have are in the com port numbers: 
make them reflect what you actually have running.


73,  Chas, W1CG

At 05:28 PM 4/16/2006, Dave Meitzen wrote:

Is there a good source (in one place) to get information for running MixW2
on the SDR1K? I have VAC running and get audio to the MixW2 but it does not
seem to pick out the PSK31 -- lots of hash ??

Have a Great Easter -- I am showing my grandkids SDR1K !! They like it too.

Thanks
Dave



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Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

[Mark Amos]

Chris,

This is very nice - even faster than the old "zip" download.  I blew away
the old SVN directory, created a new one and tortoised it.  In less than a
minute I had the executable!

Just keeps getting easier!

Mark
W8XR

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher T. Day
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 2:26 PM
To: w2agn; Robert McGwier
Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

If all you want are the binaries, you can simplify this still further by
using

svn://206.216.146.154/svn/repos_sdr_windows/PowerSDR/trunk/bin/Release

in Tim's instructions. That way you will only download the repository
sub-folder with the Release binaries in it. SVN does not require anyone
to download the whole repository.


Chris - AE6VK


-Original Message-
From: w2agn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 11:15 AM
To: Robert McGwier
Cc: Christopher T. Day; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

Robert McGwier wrote:
> We really are doing a poor job of communicating aren't we?
>
> That is exactly what you get with svn.  The tool is easy and free. It
is 
> also available from tigris.
>
> PLEASE people.  Google tortoise svn.  Download the windows installer.

> Do NOT change the little box marked with an X in the configuration set

> up where you are offered the ability to make modifications that will 
> help you build MS Frontpage web site.  This will render it useless for

> our purposes and it is a hack for Frontpage and non standard.  Follow 
> Tim's instructions.  You will have everything I worked on yesterday 
> immediately.
>
> Bob
>
>   
OK, I am definitely NOT a software expert, but I did just what Bob said,

downloaded Tortoise, followed the instructions, got the new binary, and 
viola' it ran! Since I didn't want the Source stuff (not ready to try 
compiling yet!) I cancelled downloading after the "bin" was downloaded. 
I made a new folder under /Program Files/Flexradio/Beta1.6.1 and put all

the "release" there, and then I could dump all the extraneous stuff to 
save disk space.

Not difficult at all.

-- 
  _____  
 / \  / \  / \  / \  / \   John L. Sielke
( W )( 2 )( A )( G )( N )  http://w2agn.net
 \_/  \_/  \_/  \_/  \_/   http://www.blurty.com/users/w2agn
"CRUSTY OLD CURMUDGEON, AND PROUD OF IT"



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[Flexradio] MixW2 running on SDR1K ?

[Dave Meitzen]

Is there a good source (in one place) to get information for running MixW2
on the SDR1K? I have VAC running and get audio to the MixW2 but it does not
seem to pick out the PSK31 -- lots of hash ??

Have a Great Easter -- I am showing my grandkids SDR1K !! They like it too.

Thanks
Dave
 

Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

[Mark Amos]

For everyone worried about setting up SVN: it's really pretty simple
(instructions earlier in this thread.)  I've never used it before ant it
took about 4 minutes - there are really only a half dozen simple steps to do
it.  Once it's set up, it's pretty much one click to get the newest
version...  I think it might actually be easier than the old process. 

Mark - W8XR
"People seem not to see that their opinion of the world is also a confession
of their character." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

On Sunday 16 April 2006 06:49 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have a Flex on order,.. It is due to ship in a couple of three weeks.
>
> Part of my purchasing decision was to have ready access to source and Beta
> releases.
>
> I'll call Gerald Monday moring and explain that he can cancel my order if
I
> have to deal with SVN.
>
> So there!  IS that a simple enough business decision for Gerald?
>
> -Dan  K6KDK
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dale Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Don AE5K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 8:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?
>
> > I must agree with Don on this. I really like using and playing with the
> > beta versions. It is the joy of experimenting that makes the SDR unique.
> > There needs to be an easier way to download and use the beta versions. I
> > also agree with Gerald along the lines of business sense. One has to
> > present the SDR as stable and ready to go to the majority of operators.
> > That being said, I still like the idea of easy downloads of beta
> > versions. 73,
> > Dale AA5XE
> >
> > Don AE5K wrote:
> > >At the risk of getting my hands slapped (yes, this list now has a bunch
> > >of "Thou Shall Nots..." which are hard to keep up with)...
> > >
> > >In a recent communication to this list, Gerald wrote:
> > >>That is to publish BOTH the source and the executable code on
> > >>the SVN server and you will have access.  You do NOT need to compile
> > >> any code to get and run the latest.
> > >
> > >Sounds good!
> > >
> > >So, I believed Gerald and decided to try out the very latest "alpha".
I
> > >am sorely unexperienced with Subversion, but have TortoiseSVN installed
> > >on my Windows 2000 machine that I've been using in the past to run
> > >PowerSDR.  Briefly, here are my experiences last evening:
> > >
> > >1. Made a directory to hold the svn stuff and clicked on the only thing
> > >I could find that would download from the URI given by Tim E. the other
> > >day.  Lucky I have a DSL connection out here in the boondocks of the
> > >Ozarks ... it took more than several minutes.  Ended up with 95.9 MB
> > >(with 172 MB of disk space taken up) in the directory, including 5660
> > >files and 714 folders!
> > >
> > >2. Made my way to the "release" folder under trunk->bin and found a
> > >"powersdr.exe".  Clicking on it started up the "wisdom" program for a
> > >few minutes.  Then, instead of starting up the PowerSDR console, it
told
> > >me of a fatal error: "File or assembly name
> > >Microsoft.DirectX.DirectInput of one of its dependencies was not found"
> > >
> > >3. Copied powersdr.exe into it's own folder and started it.  Now I
> > >consistently get a fatal error which starts out: "The system cannot
find
> > >the file specified ... at
> > >System.Diagnostics.Process.StartWithShellExecuteEX (ProcessStartInfo
> > >startInfo)" and continuing with 4 more lines similar.
> > >
> > >Even though I might be considered a "software type", my expertise is
not
> > >in the area of svn or MS Windows.
> > >
> > >It used to be simple to try a new beta version.  Just download a couple
> > >megabyte file and go.  Gerald, it just isn't that way any more!
> > >
> > >What am I missing? (besides some files)  Maybe some good directions on
> > >how to use subversion and to properly execute the latest alpha?  Or do
> > >those who wish to try out the latest need to become software gurus?
> > >
> > >I can accept the shift ... but I feel many of us are now left out.
> > >
> > >73,
> > >Don AE5K
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

[Eric Ellison]

Mike

Nope... You put a little pinhole in each end of the egg and blow in one of
em real hard and everything comes out. Sort of the equivalent of the reverse
of 'ship in a bottle'. Only the bottle ain't clear. Then you decorate them
and put them back in the box, sort of the equivalent of "Short Sheeting"...
Don't have to cookem at all! (note if you are careful you can color them
before blowing them)

Then givem to you grandkids! Just like "Ship in a bottle" they wonder: "Now
did Popper do that? Really low cholesterol also! Win Win!

Eric2


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Naruta
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 4:08 PM
To: FlexRadio
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

Shoot!

I was s'posed to boil 'em first?

That explains a lot.

Can I still put 'em in the microwave?


Mike - AA8K



Tim Ellison wrote:
> 
> 73 and enjoy your Easter (I hope everyone remembered to boil the eggs
> first HI HI)
> 
> -Tim
> ---
> Tim Ellison ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] )

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Re: [Flexradio] [OT] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

[Tim Ellison]

Go for it!  Experimentation is what it IS all about, isn't it?

-Tim
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Naruta
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 4:08 PM
To: FlexRadio
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

Shoot!

I was s'posed to boil 'em first?

That explains a lot.

Can I still put 'em in the microwave?


Mike - AA8K



Tim Ellison wrote:
> 
> 73 and enjoy your Easter (I hope everyone remembered to boil the eggs
> first HI HI)
> 
> -Tim
> ---
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Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

[Mike Naruta]

Shoot!

I was s'posed to boil 'em first?

That explains a lot.

Can I still put 'em in the microwave?


Mike - AA8K



Tim Ellison wrote:


73 and enjoy your Easter (I hope everyone remembered to boil the eggs
first HI HI)

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Re: [Flexradio] Mic Pre?

[Larry Loen]

Brian Sherrod wrote:

I know I read somewhere that someone did some rather extensive testing on the 
audio input for the SDR-1000, and found that a low noise mic pre ahead of the 
box was better than cranking up the gain on the console.  This makes sense to 
me as I've found the same in the past using analog type devices.  I used to 
use a Symetrix 528 voice processor, however it appears to be dead now.  

The article I read (somewhere) mentioned a Behringer Eurorack UB802 Mixer.  
The price was right, so I ordered one the other day.


My question is this; should I use the input on the SDR-1000 box or the D-44 
from the UB802 mixer?  I plan to use a balanced line, low-z mic.


As mentioned in my earlier post, I don't have my sdr-1000 yet, but I'm just 
trying (hoping) to get some things established ahead of time.


TIA & 73

Brian
w5ami
 



I have the Behringer mixer as well and have been so deep into digital 
that I haven't bothered to deploy it.  Is there a simple "paint by the 
numbers "guide for D44 and non D44 use?


I know that AA4SW and others have deployed this and we used it in Belize 
with great success.


What I really would like to see is a simple "how to" on how to:

1.  Plug in some old monural microphone and get the right output 
(presumably stereo or pseudo stereo) into a proper output plug.


2.  Hook up an inexpensive PC microphone and get the same.

I don't care how crushingly simple this is, we have very nice 
guidelines/guidebooks for the basic D44 hookup, why not this?  For a lot 
of us, this is the "other shoe", kind of like that material we've "sort 
of" accumulated on hooking up HF amplifiers.


What is also someday needed is for a "good enough" version of this for 
DXpeditioning and other portable/mobile uses.  I'm thinking of some 
"altoid box" thing where you input the regular PC microphone jack on one 
side (optionally ?? else ganged together with it?) and output a simple 
amplified, SDR ready signal on the other.  This item should be nearly 
off the shelf somewhere as either a product or a well-established kit. 
Anyone with ideas on that?




Larry  WO0Z

[Flexradio] Mic Pre?

[Brian Sherrod]

I know I read somewhere that someone did some rather extensive testing on the 
audio input for the SDR-1000, and found that a low noise mic pre ahead of the 
box was better than cranking up the gain on the console.  This makes sense to 
me as I've found the same in the past using analog type devices.  I used to 
use a Symetrix 528 voice processor, however it appears to be dead now.  

The article I read (somewhere) mentioned a Behringer Eurorack UB802 Mixer.  
The price was right, so I ordered one the other day.

My question is this; should I use the input on the SDR-1000 box or the D-44 
from the UB802 mixer?  I plan to use a balanced line, low-z mic.

As mentioned in my earlier post, I don't have my sdr-1000 yet, but I'm just 
trying (hoping) to get some things established ahead of time.

TIA & 73

Brian
w5ami

Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

[Christopher T. Day]

Jim,

Keeping track of the betas is _really_ easy in SVN. Assuming you have
write access to the SVN repository, right click on the mainline "trunk"
folder and select "Copy to ...". In the URL that comes up, replace
"trunk" with "tags/" and let 'er rip. Bingo! A beta version.
Note that this DOES NOT actually copy the files, only the repository
version at the instant of beta creation. When files are downloaded from
the beta directory of the repository, SVN reconstructs the proper file
versions.


Chris - AE6VK


-Original Message-
From: Jim Lux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 11:13 AM
The challenge will be in keeping track of what a "beta" is, and how to 
reconstruct it from the repository, but I believe that's been figured
out, 
and involves some (very small) amount of fooling with SVN.  ...

Re: [Flexradio] RFI in SDR1000

[Tom Thompson]

Bill,

I had some RFI problems that I cured by wrapping the lines going into 
the SDR box around an F117-77 core using it as a common mode choke.  
Larry's solution is easier, so I would try it first.  Also, I have found 
that the 3.5 mm connectors will cause an echo if not seated correctly.

73,   Tom   W0IVJ

Larry Taft wrote:

>If you are running the mic through the black box try doing it externally 
>direct into the D-44.  I had the same problem until I wired up an 
>amplified D104 (genuine chicken choker) direct to the D-44 input and 
>hooked the PTT to the X2 connector.
>
>If you have TWO L-4Bs I'm jealous!
>
>Net on 14329 +/- KHz this afternoon at 1900 UTC.
>73, Larry  K2LT
>
>Bill Nagle wrote:
>  
>
>>I am experiencing some severe r-f problems with the flex at any external 
>>linear amp power above 100 watts carrier (AM). When the rf feedback starts 
>>it causes a repeating "echo" in the listeners end receiver. The first echo is 
>>the normal flex delay but then it builds on itself into multiple echos.
>>
>>
>>There is no problem with my other setup in the same location using an 
>>ft1000d into a similar L4-b linear.
>>
>>I have used the TDK ZCAT2035 clamp on rf chokes profusely around all of 
>>the cables in and out of the flex but the problem still exists.  Does anyone 
>>have a suggestion for a better choke than the tdk or other suggestions?
>>
>>Setup is delta44 on a 2.8gig w/512m ram.
>>
>>
>>Bill Nagle
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>
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Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

[w2agn]

Christopher T. Day wrote:

If all you want are the binaries, you can simplify this still further by
using

svn://206.216.146.154/svn/repos_sdr_windows/PowerSDR/trunk/bin/Release

in Tim's instructions. That way you will only download the repository
sub-folder with the Release binaries in it. SVN does not require anyone
to download the whole repository.


Chris - AE6VK
  

Thank you! That will simplify things.

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Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

[Tim Ellison]

I have to agree with Bob.  There is nothing more easier than using SVN
for downloading the source and freshly compiled executables.  Please try
it before you bash it.  It is technically much easier to get a SVN
executable running than downloading the setup program from the Flex
website.

Here is an added setup bonus tip for SVN users:  Create a shortcut to
the PowerSDR.exe in the \trunk\bin\source folder.  Place it on you
desktop.

Then there is only one icon you have to click to run the Alpha code.

Remember, all perceived bugs about alpha source should be directed to
the Flex support bug track page.  Make sure before reporting, that the
developers are not in the middle of fixing things.  Example, Bob has
been working on the VAC code and it has been "delivered" in phases.
Running some of the interim builds produced less that stealer results,
but it was an unfinished work. Please READ the comments associated with
the revision you are running before posting a bug report, it will tell
you a lot about what state of the source you are running.

Also, we all really need to do our part to help implement Gerald's
vision for making the reflector more SDR-1000 information oriented and
not the dumping ground for reporting potential source code bugs.

One other hint.  Since the console is being redone, reporting bugs
related to the current 1.6.0 console are probably moot unless they are
very serious (but most of these have been found and corrected).  Focus
more on the non-UI (user interface) aspects of the code.  They have the
biggest impact and provide the most improvement in the operation of the
radio.

73 and enjoy your Easter (I hope everyone remembered to boil the eggs
first HI HI)

-Tim
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Integrated Technical Services ( http://www.itsco.com )


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert McGwier
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 1:34 PM
To: Christopher T. Day
Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

We really are doing a poor job of communicating aren't we?

That is exactly what you get with svn.  The tool is easy and free. It is

also available from tigris.

PLEASE people.  Google tortoise svn.  Download the windows installer.  
Do NOT change the little box marked with an X in the configuration set 
up where you are offered the ability to make modifications that will 
help you build MS Frontpage web site.  This will render it useless for 
our purposes and it is a hack for Frontpage and non standard.  Follow 
Tim's instructions.  You will have everything I worked on yesterday 
immediately.

Bob



Christopher T. Day wrote:
> Has any thought been given to setting up a Continuous Integration
system
> for the PowerSDR software? Then there would always be the latest and
> greatest - and maybe broken - alpha for developers and eager users to
> try.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_integration
> http://sin.tigris.org/
>
>
>   Chris - AE6VK
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:49 AM
> To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?
>
> I have a Flex on order,.. It is due to ship in a couple of three
weeks.
>
> Part of my purchasing decision was to have ready access to source and
> Beta
> releases.
>
> I'll call Gerald Monday moring and explain that he can cancel my order
> if I
> have to deal with SVN.
>
> So there!  IS that a simple enough business decision for Gerald?
>
> -Dan  K6KDK
>
>
>
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Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

[KD5NWA]

Once you have Tortoise downloaded it takes less that 5 minutes to 
install it and set it up. Setup is no more complicated than pasting 
in an address of the SVN server and that is it, you are done.


Once you start using it you  will love it, right click on the folder 
containing the source, select update, and in my case in a few seconds 
you have the latest and greatest code to play with. And if you made 
changes to some of the files, you don't loose those changes, you 
can't say that with downloading a zip file.



At 12:19 PM 4/16/2006, Stan wrote:

When I purchased my radio, Gerald told me on the phone
having an SDR radio is really neat cause every few weeks you get new software.
Its like Christmas, every few weeks there a new version of software to play
with, like getting a new radio.

So this is changing? Why?

I dont have the time to set up SVN, my life doesnt revolve around ham radio.
I am sure there are some of us who actually have real jobs (not retired).

If the tune from the original song is changing Gerald, can I send my 
radio and

all the other items I needed to purchase to make it work in for a full
refund?

Stan
AH6JR



On Sunday 16 April 2006 06:49 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have a Flex on order,.. It is due to ship in a couple of three weeks.
>
> Part of my purchasing decision was to have ready access to source and Beta
> releases.
>
> I'll call Gerald Monday moring and explain that he can cancel my order if I
> have to deal with SVN.
>
> So there!  IS that a simple enough business decision for Gerald?
>
> -Dan  K6KDK
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dale Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Don AE5K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 8:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?
>
> > I must agree with Don on this. I really like using and playing with the
> > beta versions. It is the joy of experimenting that makes the SDR unique.
> > There needs to be an easier way to download and use the beta versions. I
> > also agree with Gerald along the lines of business sense. One has to
> > present the SDR as stable and ready to go to the majority of operators.
> > That being said, I still like the idea of easy downloads of beta
> > versions. 73,
> > Dale AA5XE
> >
> > Don AE5K wrote:
> > >At the risk of getting my hands slapped (yes, this list now has a bunch
> > >of "Thou Shall Nots..." which are hard to keep up with)...
> > >
> > >In a recent communication to this list, Gerald wrote:
> > >>That is to publish BOTH the source and the executable code on
> > >>the SVN server and you will have access.  You do NOT need to compile
> > >> any code to get and run the latest.
> > >
> > >Sounds good!
> > >
> > >So, I believed Gerald and decided to try out the very latest "alpha".  I
> > >am sorely unexperienced with Subversion, but have TortoiseSVN installed
> > >on my Windows 2000 machine that I've been using in the past to run
> > >PowerSDR.  Briefly, here are my experiences last evening:
> > >
> > >1. Made a directory to hold the svn stuff and clicked on the only thing
> > >I could find that would download from the URI given by Tim E. the other
> > >day.  Lucky I have a DSL connection out here in the boondocks of the
> > >Ozarks ... it took more than several minutes.  Ended up with 95.9 MB
> > >(with 172 MB of disk space taken up) in the directory, including 5660
> > >files and 714 folders!
> > >
> > >2. Made my way to the "release" folder under trunk->bin and found a
> > >"powersdr.exe".  Clicking on it started up the "wisdom" program for a
> > >few minutes.  Then, instead of starting up the PowerSDR console, it told
> > >me of a fatal error: "File or assembly name
> > >Microsoft.DirectX.DirectInput of one of its dependencies was not found"
> > >
> > >3. Copied powersdr.exe into it's own folder and started it.  Now I
> > >consistently get a fatal error which starts out: "The system cannot find
> > >the file specified ... at
> > >System.Diagnostics.Process.StartWithShellExecuteEX (ProcessStartInfo
> > >startInfo)" and continuing with 4 more lines similar.
> > >
> > >Even though I might be considered a "software type", my expertise is not
> > >in the area of svn or MS Windows.
> > >
> > >It used to be simple to try a new beta version.  Just download a couple
> > >megabyte file and go.  Gerald, it just isn't that way any more!
> > >
> > >What am I missing? (besides some files)  Maybe some good directions on
> > >how to use subversion and to properly execute the latest alpha?  Or do
> > >those who wish to try out the latest need to become software gurus?
> > >
> > >I can accept the shift ... but I feel many of us are now left out.
> > >
> > >73,
> > >Don AE5K
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

[KD5NWA]

The Tortoise SVN is extremely easy to use, basically right click on a 
folder and select update and that is it, you will get you source copy 
updated. If you have made personal changes to you copy it keeps them 
by updating the file instead of replacing it.


I have no clue if you have bad experiences with other SVN sources, 
but Tortoise is easy as could be.


If you want some help in trying it out let me know.


At 11:49 AM 4/16/2006, you wrote:

I have a Flex on order,.. It is due to ship in a couple of three weeks.

Part of my purchasing decision was to have ready access to source and Beta
releases.

I'll call Gerald Monday moring and explain that he can cancel my order if I
have to deal with SVN.

So there!  IS that a simple enough business decision for Gerald?

-Dan  K6KDK


- Original Message -
From: "Dale Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Don AE5K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?


> I must agree with Don on this. I really like using and playing with the
> beta versions. It is the joy of experimenting that makes the SDR unique.
> There needs to be an easier way to download and use the beta versions. I
> also agree with Gerald along the lines of business sense. One has to
> present the SDR as stable and ready to go to the majority of operators.
> That being said, I still like the idea of easy downloads of beta versions.
> 73,
> Dale AA5XE
>
> Don AE5K wrote:
>
> >At the risk of getting my hands slapped (yes, this list now has a bunch
> >of "Thou Shall Nots..." which are hard to keep up with)...
> >
> >In a recent communication to this list, Gerald wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>That is to publish BOTH the source and the executable code on
> >>the SVN server and you will have access.  You do NOT need to compile any
> >>code to get and run the latest.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Sounds good!
> >
> >So, I believed Gerald and decided to try out the very latest "alpha".  I
> >am sorely unexperienced with Subversion, but have TortoiseSVN installed
> >on my Windows 2000 machine that I've been using in the past to run
> >PowerSDR.  Briefly, here are my experiences last evening:
> >
> >1. Made a directory to hold the svn stuff and clicked on the only thing
> >I could find that would download from the URI given by Tim E. the other
> >day.  Lucky I have a DSL connection out here in the boondocks of the
> >Ozarks ... it took more than several minutes.  Ended up with 95.9 MB
> >(with 172 MB of disk space taken up) in the directory, including 5660
> >files and 714 folders!
> >
> >2. Made my way to the "release" folder under trunk->bin and found a
> >"powersdr.exe".  Clicking on it started up the "wisdom" program for a
> >few minutes.  Then, instead of starting up the PowerSDR console, it told
> >me of a fatal error: "File or assembly name
> >Microsoft.DirectX.DirectInput of one of its dependencies was not found"
> >
> >3. Copied powersdr.exe into it's own folder and started it.  Now I
> >consistently get a fatal error which starts out: "The system cannot find
> >the file specified ... at
> >System.Diagnostics.Process.StartWithShellExecuteEX (ProcessStartInfo
> >startInfo)" and continuing with 4 more lines similar.
> >
> >Even though I might be considered a "software type", my expertise is not
> >in the area of svn or MS Windows.
> >
> >It used to be simple to try a new beta version.  Just download a couple
> >megabyte file and go.  Gerald, it just isn't that way any more!
> >
> >What am I missing? (besides some files)  Maybe some good directions on
> >how to use subversion and to properly execute the latest alpha?  Or do
> >those who wish to try out the latest need to become software gurus?
> >
> >I can accept the shift ... but I feel many of us are now left out.
> >
> >73,
> >Don AE5K
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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Re: [Flexradio] RFI in SDR1000

[Ahti Aintila]

Bill,
If the normal clamp-on chokes don't help, you may use double ferrite
E-cores, wind several turns of cable and close together with ahdesive
tape. See this:
. This
trick works well with my USB-to-PIO adapter proto.

Larrys advice may help even better.

73, Ahti OH2RZ


On 16/04/06, Bill Nagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am experiencing some severe r-f problems with the flex at any external
> linear amp power above 100 watts carrier (AM). When the rf feedback starts
> it causes a repeating "echo" in the listeners end receiver. The first echo is
> the normal flex delay but then it builds on itself into multiple echos.
>
>
> There is no problem with my other setup in the same location using an
> ft1000d into a similar L4-b linear.
>
> I have used the TDK ZCAT2035 clamp on rf chokes profusely around all of
> the cables in and out of the flex but the problem still exists.  Does anyone
> have a suggestion for a better choke than the tdk or other suggestions?
>
> Setup is delta44 on a 2.8gig w/512m ram.
>
>
> Bill Nagle
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
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Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

[Jim Lux]

At 10:19 AM 4/16/2006, Stan wrote:

When I purchased my radio, Gerald told me on the phone
having an SDR radio is really neat cause every few weeks you get new software.
Its like Christmas, every few weeks there a new version of software to play
with, like getting a new radio.



You DO get a new version every few weeks (or, perhaps a couple months).. 
What hopefully is changing is that you don't get a different version (with 
different broken parts) every other day.


The process in the past has mixed the two together... there would be a 
release with a bunch of new features, released as a "preview".. people 
would download it, find the inevitable bugs, a new preview would get pushed 
out, more bugs, back and forth on fairly frequent cycle, until a dozen or 
so previews had been rolled out, then, it would become an official release.


The problem is that there wasn't much to distinguish all those previews and 
the real beta releases, and folks were justifiably complaining about 
chasing a moving target. There's also the difficulty that some folks were 
using the .exe, and others were recompiling, and without good configuration 
control, there would inevitably be differences between the .exe out of the 
preview, and the one you compiled.


So, now, all those "previews", bugs and all, will be handled via SVN, 
rather than as zipped blocks.  If you do the SVN thing, then the code 
you're compiling will always be the "right" configuration.




So this is changing? Why?

I dont have the time to set up SVN, my life doesnt revolve around ham radio.
I am sure there are some of us who actually have real jobs (not retired).



TortoiseSVN doesn't take all that long to set up (<15 minutes), and once 
you've got it done, life is MUCH easier than it was under the old scheme, 
where you'd unzip things and hope that they were in the right place.  The 
other virtue is that with SVN, you can do an "update" whenever you like, to 
an arbitrary point in the sequence of changes. No worries about whether 
you've unzipped the pieces in the right order and whether you've missed 
something.



If the tune from the original song is changing Gerald, can I send my radio 
and

all the other items I needed to purchase to make it work in for a full
refund?

Stan
AH6JR

Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

[Jim Lux]

At 09:49 AM 4/16/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have a Flex on order,.. It is due to ship in a couple of three weeks.

Part of my purchasing decision was to have ready access to source and Beta
releases.



I would imagine that you are confusing the ongoing SVN repository updates 
(not even alpha in most cases)
with beta (which I assume would be posted on Flex's website somewhere) and 
source (which is also posted).


I would expect that betas would emerge every month or so (hopefully not at 
the daily rate characteristic of some of the preview cycles 
before!).  SOmeone "declares a beta" and captures a snapshot and zips it up 
and pushes it out.


If you want to work at the bleeding edge (i.e. untested alpha code from the 
repository), then tortoise/SVN are not too bad of a way to do it.


The challenge will be in keeping track of what a "beta" is, and how to 
reconstruct it from the repository, but I believe that's been figured out, 
and involves some (very small) amount of fooling with SVN.  In any event, 
if you were "consuming" beta releases, it wouldn't matter, because at that 
level, you're not the one building the beta: you'd just create a directory, 
unzip the beta, and be done with it.


Where you could really get wrapped around the axle is if you try to work in 
both environments at once, or try to unzip new betas on top of old.  Given 
that it's a beta release, there isn't usually a "safe installer" that would 
get rid of incompatible stuff from old, leaving other stuff behind.  If you 
had rolled in some stuff off SVN into a beta installation, and then you 
load in a new beta release on top, you're almost certain to have problems.






I'll call Gerald Monday moring and explain that he can cancel my order if I
have to deal with SVN.

So there!  IS that a simple enough business decision for Gerald?

-Dan  K6KDK



As far as practicalities go, the whole process is just getting rolling, so 
the all-important details and procedures are still evolving.  I would 
venture to guess that within a few weeks, the various release and update 
mechanisms will have been worked out.  Overall, as someone who suffered 
through the early Microsoft Windows 3.x beta release cycles, where you'd 
get boxes of floppies and/or CDs periodically, I think that Flex-radio has 
done a fairly good job trying to distinguish between the levels of "finshed 
productness", and trying to get distribution methods that are consistent 
with those levels.



Jim 

Re: [Flexradio] New member

[Eric Ellison]

Brian

Yes! Welcome for sure. You seem to have jumped in on a buncha threads from
people having problems managing change on all sides!

For the past few years this has been a joy to follow, and remains so! As Tom
said. This is a journey where users are defining the radio in a pretty much
cooperative effort. I call it the UDR. User Defined Radio! 

Actually I think we are just getting started on this project, so you joined
in a nick of time! Tis a shame you have to wait for your SDR-1000.

I think there will be a lot of potential for radio-astronomy with the
recording function of I/Q. Although it takes a lot of disk space to record
in real time, I think that someone will compress the file in the not too
distant future. Automated software could analyze the recordings and separate
the 'wheat from the chaff' and allow an observer to go back into the digital
recording and enhance what is recorded. I'm sure it is being done in a
different paradigm, but this seems like a good place for signal processing
folks can find a home!

The potential of Softeware doing the 'grunt work' is so astounding that it
scares some folks. "Who ate my cheese"!

Welcome!
Think positive thoughts!
You going to Dayton?

Thanks
Eric2



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Thompson
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 1:54 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] New member

Hi Brian,

Welcome to this most interesting adventure.  I am  glad to have you 
aboard.  This is one journey where the trip is everything since no one 
knows where we are going.  Enjoy.

73,

Tom   W0IVJ


Brian Sherrod wrote:

>Hello All,
>
>I am a new member of this reflector and soon to be a new SDR-1000 owner
when 
>the unit arrives.  I have been completely out of radio for about 5 years
and 
>decided to come back in with a totally new (to me) technology.  Being a 
>collector of vintage gear for many years, this will be an interesting turn 
>for me, however I am not new to computers as that is where my profession 
>lies.
>
>Anyway, I just wanted to drop a note to the group and say hello!  I live on
30 
>acres north of Vilonia Arkansas.  Hope to work many of you in the near
future 
>on HF or VHF and above.  I operate mainly SSB, AM, and CW.  Have done some 
>digital in the past, but not much.  Also interested in radio astronomy, in 
>particular Solar and Jovian noise bursts in the area of 20MHz.  I think the

>SDR1K will really be handy for this application.
>
>I should have my SDR1K w/D44 in a few weeks, and if there are any hints or 
>things I should avoid on start-up, I would sure appreciate hearing from
you.  
>Of course I have been reading the manual over and over.
>
>73
>Brian / W5AMI
>
>www.arksky.org
>
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Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

[Christopher T. Day]

If all you want are the binaries, you can simplify this still further by
using

svn://206.216.146.154/svn/repos_sdr_windows/PowerSDR/trunk/bin/Release

in Tim's instructions. That way you will only download the repository
sub-folder with the Release binaries in it. SVN does not require anyone
to download the whole repository.


Chris - AE6VK


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From: w2agn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 11:15 AM
To: Robert McGwier
Cc: Christopher T. Day; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

Robert McGwier wrote:
> We really are doing a poor job of communicating aren't we?
>
> That is exactly what you get with svn.  The tool is easy and free. It
is 
> also available from tigris.
>
> PLEASE people.  Google tortoise svn.  Download the windows installer.

> Do NOT change the little box marked with an X in the configuration set

> up where you are offered the ability to make modifications that will 
> help you build MS Frontpage web site.  This will render it useless for

> our purposes and it is a hack for Frontpage and non standard.  Follow 
> Tim's instructions.  You will have everything I worked on yesterday 
> immediately.
>
> Bob
>
>   
OK, I am definitely NOT a software expert, but I did just what Bob said,

downloaded Tortoise, followed the instructions, got the new binary, and 
viola' it ran! Since I didn't want the Source stuff (not ready to try 
compiling yet!) I cancelled downloading after the "bin" was downloaded. 
I made a new folder under /Program Files/Flexradio/Beta1.6.1 and put all

the "release" there, and then I could dump all the extraneous stuff to 
save disk space.

Not difficult at all.

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Re: [Flexradio] RFI in SDR1000

[Larry Taft]

If you are running the mic through the black box try doing it externally 
direct into the D-44.  I had the same problem until I wired up an 
amplified D104 (genuine chicken choker) direct to the D-44 input and 
hooked the PTT to the X2 connector.


If you have TWO L-4Bs I'm jealous!

Net on 14329 +/- KHz this afternoon at 1900 UTC.
73, Larry  K2LT

Bill Nagle wrote:
I am experiencing some severe r-f problems with the flex at any external 
linear amp power above 100 watts carrier (AM). When the rf feedback starts 
it causes a repeating "echo" in the listeners end receiver. The first echo is 
the normal flex delay but then it builds on itself into multiple echos.



There is no problem with my other setup in the same location using an 
ft1000d into a similar L4-b linear.


I have used the TDK ZCAT2035 clamp on rf chokes profusely around all of 
the cables in and out of the flex but the problem still exists.  Does anyone 
have a suggestion for a better choke than the tdk or other suggestions?


Setup is delta44 on a 2.8gig w/512m ram.


Bill Nagle
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




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Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

[Christopher T. Day]

Oops. Sorry, I obviously should have actually _looked_ at the repository
before sending my message.


Chris - AE6VK


-Original Message-
From: Robert McGwier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 10:34 AM
To: Christopher T. Day
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

We really are doing a poor job of communicating aren't we?

That is exactly what you get with svn.  ...


Bob



Christopher T. Day wrote:
> Has any thought been given to setting up a Continuous Integration
system
> for the PowerSDR software? ...

Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

[Larry Loen]

If there's a problem here it is that things are getting more conservative.

While Bob has, IIRC, recently characterized the code in the "betas" as 
"alpha" I have discovered that, with few exceptions (all hastily 
withdrawn) that the betas have been very good.


In fact, I often "sit" on a beta for a long time these days.

I have noticed very little difference in stability between the so- far 
betas and the official code.  And, I think I operate the rig about as 
hard as anyone (other than the fact that I don't do much SSB nor use the 
Firebox thing).


So, I don't understand the impetus for this nor why everyone who wants 
betas should have to deal with SVN (which I have not bothered with, but 
assume is no more difficult than CVS).  My big concern there is that it 
really will be alphas and not something quiesced as it has so far been. 
People can pick the wrong level when they do it themselves.


What was broken?

Are we just trying to hide the bugs so that the nervous don't see them? 
I notice, too, a lot of emphasis on ignoring this mailing list (set up 
originally in no small part to discuss software errors) and now to use a 
formal bug tracker.


I suppose a certain amount of bureaucracy is inevitable if this product 
takes off the way we all hope.  But, I must confess, I am not a big fan 
of these recent changes.


Just what is this reflector for if not to report bugs?  We've totally 
destroyed the flex-radio forum to have this and now we have this medium 
for, exactly, what?





Larry  WO0Z

Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

[w2agn]

Robert McGwier wrote:

We really are doing a poor job of communicating aren't we?

That is exactly what you get with svn.  The tool is easy and free. It is 
also available from tigris.


PLEASE people.  Google tortoise svn.  Download the windows installer.  
Do NOT change the little box marked with an X in the configuration set 
up where you are offered the ability to make modifications that will 
help you build MS Frontpage web site.  This will render it useless for 
our purposes and it is a hack for Frontpage and non standard.  Follow 
Tim's instructions.  You will have everything I worked on yesterday 
immediately.


Bob

  
OK, I am definitely NOT a software expert, but I did just what Bob said, 
downloaded Tortoise, followed the instructions, got the new binary, and 
viola' it ran! Since I didn't want the Source stuff (not ready to try 
compiling yet!) I cancelled downloading after the "bin" was downloaded. 
I made a new folder under /Program Files/Flexradio/Beta1.6.1 and put all 
the "release" there, and then I could dump all the extraneous stuff to 
save disk space.


Not difficult at all.

--
 _____  
/ \  / \  / \  / \  / \   John L. Sielke

( W )( 2 )( A )( G )( N )  http://w2agn.net
\_/  \_/  \_/  \_/  \_/   http://www.blurty.com/users/w2agn
"CRUSTY OLD CURMUDGEON, AND PROUD OF IT"

Re: [Flexradio] New member

[Tom Thompson]

Hi Brian,

Welcome to this most interesting adventure.  I am  glad to have you 
aboard.  This is one journey where the trip is everything since no one 
knows where we are going.  Enjoy.


73,

Tom   W0IVJ


Brian Sherrod wrote:


Hello All,

I am a new member of this reflector and soon to be a new SDR-1000 owner when 
the unit arrives.  I have been completely out of radio for about 5 years and 
decided to come back in with a totally new (to me) technology.  Being a 
collector of vintage gear for many years, this will be an interesting turn 
for me, however I am not new to computers as that is where my profession 
lies.


Anyway, I just wanted to drop a note to the group and say hello!  I live on 30 
acres north of Vilonia Arkansas.  Hope to work many of you in the near future 
on HF or VHF and above.  I operate mainly SSB, AM, and CW.  Have done some 
digital in the past, but not much.  Also interested in radio astronomy, in 
particular Solar and Jovian noise bursts in the area of 20MHz.  I think the 
SDR1K will really be handy for this application.


I should have my SDR1K w/D44 in a few weeks, and if there are any hints or 
things I should avoid on start-up, I would sure appreciate hearing from you.  
Of course I have been reading the manual over and over.


73
Brian / W5AMI

www.arksky.org


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Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

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Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

[Robert McGwier]

We really are doing a poor job of communicating aren't we?

That is exactly what you get with svn.  The tool is easy and free. It is 
also available from tigris.


PLEASE people.  Google tortoise svn.  Download the windows installer.  
Do NOT change the little box marked with an X in the configuration set 
up where you are offered the ability to make modifications that will 
help you build MS Frontpage web site.  This will render it useless for 
our purposes and it is a hack for Frontpage and non standard.  Follow 
Tim's instructions.  You will have everything I worked on yesterday 
immediately.


Bob



Christopher T. Day wrote:

Has any thought been given to setting up a Continuous Integration system
for the PowerSDR software? Then there would always be the latest and
greatest - and maybe broken - alpha for developers and eager users to
try.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_integration
http://sin.tigris.org/


Chris - AE6VK



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:49 AM

To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

I have a Flex on order,.. It is due to ship in a couple of three weeks.

Part of my purchasing decision was to have ready access to source and
Beta
releases.

I'll call Gerald Monday moring and explain that he can cancel my order
if I
have to deal with SVN.

So there!  IS that a simple enough business decision for Gerald?

-Dan  K6KDK



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Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

[Robert McGwier]

Dan:

Nothing could be more open source or alpha or beta than svn.  It is a 
free tool that allows you to immediately download all of the latest code 
a few seconds after it has been built.  It is easier than dealing with a 
zip file after tortoise is installed and you are guaranteed delivery.  
It integrates with your shell on windows as easily as winzip or winrar.  
It will install source,  executable and the manual in a trunk 
directory.  No browser is required.  It delivers the source code,  
project files,  documentation, executable, solution files, resource 
files, etc. perfectly laid out in a perfect directory structure.  We 
constantly had problems with the zip files.  SVN is better by about a 
million fold in my estimation.  Nothing has gotten worse about the open 
nature of the project,  it has gotten better, easier, and faster.  One 
system call after I or another developer uploads a changed file,   you 
can download it.  YOU NEVER had that level of access with zip files.



Give it a try before you call Gerald.  Following Tim's instructions,  
you can do it in about five minutes.


Bob




[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have a Flex on order,.. It is due to ship in a couple of three weeks.

Part of my purchasing decision was to have ready access to source and Beta
releases.

I'll call Gerald Monday moring and explain that he can cancel my order if I
have to deal with SVN.

So there!  IS that a simple enough business decision for Gerald?

-Dan  K6KDK


- Original Message -
From: "Dale Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Don AE5K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?


  

I must agree with Don on this. I really like using and playing with the
beta versions. It is the joy of experimenting that makes the SDR unique.
There needs to be an easier way to download and use the beta versions. I
also agree with Gerald along the lines of business sense. One has to
present the SDR as stable and ready to go to the majority of operators.
That being said, I still like the idea of easy downloads of beta versions.
73,
Dale AA5XE

Don AE5K wrote:



At the risk of getting my hands slapped (yes, this list now has a bunch
of "Thou Shall Nots..." which are hard to keep up with)...

In a recent communication to this list, Gerald wrote:



  

That is to publish BOTH the source and the executable code on
the SVN server and you will have access.  You do NOT need to compile any
code to get and run the latest.




Sounds good!

So, I believed Gerald and decided to try out the very latest "alpha".  I
am sorely unexperienced with Subversion, but have TortoiseSVN installed
on my Windows 2000 machine that I've been using in the past to run
PowerSDR.  Briefly, here are my experiences last evening:

1. Made a directory to hold the svn stuff and clicked on the only thing
I could find that would download from the URI given by Tim E. the other
day.  Lucky I have a DSL connection out here in the boondocks of the
Ozarks ... it took more than several minutes.  Ended up with 95.9 MB
(with 172 MB of disk space taken up) in the directory, including 5660
files and 714 folders!

2. Made my way to the "release" folder under trunk->bin and found a
"powersdr.exe".  Clicking on it started up the "wisdom" program for a
few minutes.  Then, instead of starting up the PowerSDR console, it told
me of a fatal error: "File or assembly name
Microsoft.DirectX.DirectInput of one of its dependencies was not found"

3. Copied powersdr.exe into it's own folder and started it.  Now I
consistently get a fatal error which starts out: "The system cannot find
the file specified ... at
System.Diagnostics.Process.StartWithShellExecuteEX (ProcessStartInfo
startInfo)" and continuing with 4 more lines similar.

Even though I might be considered a "software type", my expertise is not
in the area of svn or MS Windows.

It used to be simple to try a new beta version.  Just download a couple
megabyte file and go.  Gerald, it just isn't that way any more!

What am I missing? (besides some files)  Maybe some good directions on
how to use subversion and to properly execute the latest alpha?  Or do
those who wish to try out the latest need to become software gurus?

I can accept the shift ... but I feel many of us are now left out.

73,
Don AE5K


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Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

[Stan]

When I purchased my radio, Gerald told me on the phone
having an SDR radio is really neat cause every few weeks you get new software.
Its like Christmas, every few weeks there a new version of software to play 
with, like getting a new radio.

So this is changing? Why?

I dont have the time to set up SVN, my life doesnt revolve around ham radio.
I am sure there are some of us who actually have real jobs (not retired).

If the tune from the original song is changing Gerald, can I send my radio and 
all the other items I needed to purchase to make it work in for a full 
refund?

Stan
AH6JR



On Sunday 16 April 2006 06:49 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have a Flex on order,.. It is due to ship in a couple of three weeks.
>
> Part of my purchasing decision was to have ready access to source and Beta
> releases.
>
> I'll call Gerald Monday moring and explain that he can cancel my order if I
> have to deal with SVN.
>
> So there!  IS that a simple enough business decision for Gerald?
>
> -Dan  K6KDK
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dale Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Don AE5K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 8:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?
>
> > I must agree with Don on this. I really like using and playing with the
> > beta versions. It is the joy of experimenting that makes the SDR unique.
> > There needs to be an easier way to download and use the beta versions. I
> > also agree with Gerald along the lines of business sense. One has to
> > present the SDR as stable and ready to go to the majority of operators.
> > That being said, I still like the idea of easy downloads of beta
> > versions. 73,
> > Dale AA5XE
> >
> > Don AE5K wrote:
> > >At the risk of getting my hands slapped (yes, this list now has a bunch
> > >of "Thou Shall Nots..." which are hard to keep up with)...
> > >
> > >In a recent communication to this list, Gerald wrote:
> > >>That is to publish BOTH the source and the executable code on
> > >>the SVN server and you will have access.  You do NOT need to compile
> > >> any code to get and run the latest.
> > >
> > >Sounds good!
> > >
> > >So, I believed Gerald and decided to try out the very latest "alpha".  I
> > >am sorely unexperienced with Subversion, but have TortoiseSVN installed
> > >on my Windows 2000 machine that I've been using in the past to run
> > >PowerSDR.  Briefly, here are my experiences last evening:
> > >
> > >1. Made a directory to hold the svn stuff and clicked on the only thing
> > >I could find that would download from the URI given by Tim E. the other
> > >day.  Lucky I have a DSL connection out here in the boondocks of the
> > >Ozarks ... it took more than several minutes.  Ended up with 95.9 MB
> > >(with 172 MB of disk space taken up) in the directory, including 5660
> > >files and 714 folders!
> > >
> > >2. Made my way to the "release" folder under trunk->bin and found a
> > >"powersdr.exe".  Clicking on it started up the "wisdom" program for a
> > >few minutes.  Then, instead of starting up the PowerSDR console, it told
> > >me of a fatal error: "File or assembly name
> > >Microsoft.DirectX.DirectInput of one of its dependencies was not found"
> > >
> > >3. Copied powersdr.exe into it's own folder and started it.  Now I
> > >consistently get a fatal error which starts out: "The system cannot find
> > >the file specified ... at
> > >System.Diagnostics.Process.StartWithShellExecuteEX (ProcessStartInfo
> > >startInfo)" and continuing with 4 more lines similar.
> > >
> > >Even though I might be considered a "software type", my expertise is not
> > >in the area of svn or MS Windows.
> > >
> > >It used to be simple to try a new beta version.  Just download a couple
> > >megabyte file and go.  Gerald, it just isn't that way any more!
> > >
> > >What am I missing? (besides some files)  Maybe some good directions on
> > >how to use subversion and to properly execute the latest alpha?  Or do
> > >those who wish to try out the latest need to become software gurus?
> > >
> > >I can accept the shift ... but I feel many of us are now left out.
> > >
> > >73,
> > >Don AE5K
> > >
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Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

[Christopher T. Day]

Has any thought been given to setting up a Continuous Integration system
for the PowerSDR software? Then there would always be the latest and
greatest - and maybe broken - alpha for developers and eager users to
try.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_integration
http://sin.tigris.org/


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:49 AM
To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

I have a Flex on order,.. It is due to ship in a couple of three weeks.

Part of my purchasing decision was to have ready access to source and
Beta
releases.

I'll call Gerald Monday moring and explain that he can cancel my order
if I
have to deal with SVN.

So there!  IS that a simple enough business decision for Gerald?

-Dan  K6KDK

[Flexradio] RFI in SDR1000

[Bill Nagle]

I am experiencing some severe r-f problems with the flex at any external 
linear amp power above 100 watts carrier (AM). When the rf feedback starts 
it causes a repeating "echo" in the listeners end receiver. The first echo is 
the normal flex delay but then it builds on itself into multiple echos.


There is no problem with my other setup in the same location using an 
ft1000d into a similar L4-b linear.

I have used the TDK ZCAT2035 clamp on rf chokes profusely around all of 
the cables in and out of the flex but the problem still exists.  Does anyone 
have a suggestion for a better choke than the tdk or other suggestions?

Setup is delta44 on a 2.8gig w/512m ram.


Bill Nagle
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

[k6kdk]

I have a Flex on order,.. It is due to ship in a couple of three weeks.

Part of my purchasing decision was to have ready access to source and Beta
releases.

I'll call Gerald Monday moring and explain that he can cancel my order if I
have to deal with SVN.

So there!  IS that a simple enough business decision for Gerald?

-Dan  K6KDK


- Original Message -
From: "Dale Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Don AE5K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?


> I must agree with Don on this. I really like using and playing with the
> beta versions. It is the joy of experimenting that makes the SDR unique.
> There needs to be an easier way to download and use the beta versions. I
> also agree with Gerald along the lines of business sense. One has to
> present the SDR as stable and ready to go to the majority of operators.
> That being said, I still like the idea of easy downloads of beta versions.
> 73,
> Dale AA5XE
>
> Don AE5K wrote:
>
> >At the risk of getting my hands slapped (yes, this list now has a bunch
> >of "Thou Shall Nots..." which are hard to keep up with)...
> >
> >In a recent communication to this list, Gerald wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>That is to publish BOTH the source and the executable code on
> >>the SVN server and you will have access.  You do NOT need to compile any
> >>code to get and run the latest.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Sounds good!
> >
> >So, I believed Gerald and decided to try out the very latest "alpha".  I
> >am sorely unexperienced with Subversion, but have TortoiseSVN installed
> >on my Windows 2000 machine that I've been using in the past to run
> >PowerSDR.  Briefly, here are my experiences last evening:
> >
> >1. Made a directory to hold the svn stuff and clicked on the only thing
> >I could find that would download from the URI given by Tim E. the other
> >day.  Lucky I have a DSL connection out here in the boondocks of the
> >Ozarks ... it took more than several minutes.  Ended up with 95.9 MB
> >(with 172 MB of disk space taken up) in the directory, including 5660
> >files and 714 folders!
> >
> >2. Made my way to the "release" folder under trunk->bin and found a
> >"powersdr.exe".  Clicking on it started up the "wisdom" program for a
> >few minutes.  Then, instead of starting up the PowerSDR console, it told
> >me of a fatal error: "File or assembly name
> >Microsoft.DirectX.DirectInput of one of its dependencies was not found"
> >
> >3. Copied powersdr.exe into it's own folder and started it.  Now I
> >consistently get a fatal error which starts out: "The system cannot find
> >the file specified ... at
> >System.Diagnostics.Process.StartWithShellExecuteEX (ProcessStartInfo
> >startInfo)" and continuing with 4 more lines similar.
> >
> >Even though I might be considered a "software type", my expertise is not
> >in the area of svn or MS Windows.
> >
> >It used to be simple to try a new beta version.  Just download a couple
> >megabyte file and go.  Gerald, it just isn't that way any more!
> >
> >What am I missing? (besides some files)  Maybe some good directions on
> >how to use subversion and to properly execute the latest alpha?  Or do
> >those who wish to try out the latest need to become software gurus?
> >
> >I can accept the shift ... but I feel many of us are now left out.
> >
> >73,
> >Don AE5K
> >
> >
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Re: [Flexradio] SDR1000

[Eric Ellison]

Mark

Nope! REALLY COOL TOOL. The exclamation shows you are not in synch. It also
comes with really good manual when you install it. A few hours in the manual
really helps for everyone. After that, as long as you have the URL you are
pretty much good to go!


Eric2 - AA4SW



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Amos
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:20 PM
To: 'FlexRadio'
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] SDR1000

Thanks for the step-by-step - works great!  Looks like tortoise lets you
automatically update new versions weekly. Pretty cool tool!

Thanks again!

Mark 


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Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 11:56 AM
To: Don AE5K; FlexRadio
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] SDR1000

Whoops.  My mistake.  I stand corrected.  Thanks Don.

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From: Don AE5K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 11:52 AM
To: Tim Ellison
Subject: Re:Re: [Flexradio] SDR1000

Tim Ellison wrote:

> Look for the \trunk\bin\source directory for the
> executable
>

I only found it in trunk\bin\Release

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Re: [Flexradio] SDR keyer port code location

[Bill Tracey]

Think it is both -- the filename is cwkeyer.cs, the class within the file 
is CWKeyer2


Regards,

Bill

At 10:54 AM 4/16/2006, Christopher T. Day wrote:

Bill,

Thanks. Is that cwkeyer.cs or cwkeyer2.sc or both? [Coffee still taking
hold.]


Chris - AE6VK

Re: [Flexradio] Increased frustration....

[Larry Loen]

Stan C. wrote:


Herald.
  I know next to nothing about the operations of the Flex Radio. But I have built some "extreme" high end PC's (water cooled CPU,overclocking,dual graphics cards,etc.)   and would suggest you do some shake down on your home brew machine. 
  You said when you turn off some of the programs that this helps. That makes me think RAM or CPU issues. Here are two freeware programs that will help you find any weakness in your hardware. The first is Prime95. If you have a dual core CPU or Hyperthreding CPU you need to set up TWO instances of the program and make sure your CPU is running it at 100%. You need to leave it running for 12+ hours and better if it goes 24+ hours.
  
 



If there is any question whatever about the PC itself, the best test I 
know of (better than Stan's references, in my experience) is something 
called "The Prime95 torture test".


What is it?  An extreme bit of code that has so far proven very well at 
shaking out Intel-based hardware.


It's true purpose is to find extreme prime numbers (Mersenne Primes to 
be exact) by distributing code to anyone running Windows or Linux and 
asking them to run the code.


However, it also has a now-famous mode where it won't really try to do 
that but will instead run a long series of "canned" tests, mostly Fast 
Fourier Transforms, that tend to be optimized for your particular PC.


I have myself had machines that passed other diagnostics, but failed 
this one.  If they failed this, it was always the earliest possible 
warning of trouble to come even when other tests were saying it was all 
OK.  This is the one to invest 24 hours in.


Go to http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htm and download what they call 
the "Prime 95 client" for either Windows or Linux.  At this writing, the 
Windows one is version 24, p95v2414.exe.  Be sure _not_ to run it as a 
service in Windows mode (IIRC, it asks).  The Linux version has a simple 
paint-by-the-numbers menu interface.  I believe its very first question 
is whether to run it for real or in "torture test" mode.  Obviously, 
select the latter.  Under Windows, once installed go to Options->Torture 
Test.




Larry  WO0Z

PS, this is just the sort of program that should not be run when running 
the SDR proper.

Re: [Flexradio] SDR1000

[Mark Amos]

Thanks for the step-by-step - works great!  Looks like tortoise lets you
automatically update new versions weekly. Pretty cool tool!

Thanks again!

Mark 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Ellison
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 11:56 AM
To: Don AE5K; FlexRadio
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] SDR1000

Whoops.  My mistake.  I stand corrected.  Thanks Don.

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-Original Message-
From: Don AE5K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 11:52 AM
To: Tim Ellison
Subject: Re:Re: [Flexradio] SDR1000

Tim Ellison wrote:

> Look for the \trunk\bin\source directory for the
> executable
>

I only found it in trunk\bin\Release

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[Flexradio] [OT] Crossing the Chasm

[Ken N9VV]

nice reviews from:
http://www.testing.com/writings/reviews/moore-chasm.html
http://www.writersblock.ca/summer1998/bookrev.htm
http://www.parkerhill.com/Summary%20of%20Crossing%20the%20Chasm.pdf

From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossing_the_Chasm

Crossing the Chasm
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search

Crossing the Chasm is a marketing book by Geoffrey A. Moore that 
focuses on the specifics of marketing high tech products. It was 
first published in 1991.


Moore uses the diffusion of innovations theory from Everett Rogers, 
but argued that there is a chasm between the early adopters of the 
product (the technology enthusiasts and visionaries) and the early 
majority (the pragmatists). Moore argues that this is because 
visionaries and pragmatists have very different expectations. Moore 
attempts to explore those differences and builds from there to 
suggest techniques to successfully cross the "chasm", including 
choosing a target market, understanding the whole product concept, 
positioning the product, building a marketing strategy, choosing the 
most appropriate distribution channel and pricing.


Moore's approach has been criticized from a strategic perspective 
because it deals with adoption and not profit. It is possible that 
in many cases "crossing the chasm" may not lead to profitability. 
Similarly, Moore places a large emphasis on being the first to cross 
the chasm, but there is substantial evidence that being a later 
mover in a given technology market may also be advantageous. 
Finally, Moore's theories may not be applicable in many 
non-technology markets.


In 2002, 10 years after the first publication, more than 300,000 
copies had been sold. Crossing the Chasm is available in several 
prints, one is ISBN 0060517123.

Re: [Flexradio] SDR1000

[Tim Ellison]

Whoops.  My mistake.  I stand corrected.  Thanks Don.

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-Original Message-
From: Don AE5K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 11:52 AM
To: Tim Ellison
Subject: Re:Re: [Flexradio] SDR1000

Tim Ellison wrote:

> Look for the \trunk\bin\source directory for the
> executable
>

I only found it in trunk\bin\Release

Re: [Flexradio] anyone using "plug-in's"?

[Tim Ellison]

John,

Don't get me wrong.  Using the proper balanced "jumper" from Mic1 to
Out5/6, I had it working as per your instructions and also using my
convoluted directions for getting CuBase to load without crashing Power
SDR immediately on startup (I know Chas (WQ1CG) had the same issue), but
CuBase is just not stable on Win2003 Server with PowerSDR.  I can get
CuBase to load, but as soon as I try to use another ASIO card for
something else (say, like PowerSDR), then PowerSDR will reproducibly
crash until CuBase is uninstalled.  Then everything is OK.  I am waiting
for the new FireBox firmware to stabilize (yes, I have found a small
annoying problem) and I will try CuBase again.

The 1KHz tone is a problem with what appears to be a result of DC on the
Firewire cable and/or the DC to DC converter (for the 48 VDC phantom
power) making noise no matter if is it is turned on or off.  A new "high
end" Firewire cable and using an external in-line device for providing
the 48VDC needed for my condenser mic has significantly reduced the
noise "spike".

With the working CuBase configuration noted above, I tried a lot of
different plug-ins, but in the end I found that using the EQplus by
Julius (W2IHY) provided better audio (at least a little "warmer" to my
ear using a second RX to monitor the signal) and as an added bonus, I
can use my new Marshall MXL 990 condenser mic on both my IC- 756 Pro II
and IC-910h by just a twist of a switch.  I'm not say that the CuBase
approach isn't worth trying, it definitely is.  It is just that I did
and decided to go back to an out-board audio processor.  If I didn't
already have the EQplus, I probably would be using the VST plug-ins
since it is a no cost option.


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-Original Message-
From: John Basilotto W5GI [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 10:08 AM
To: Tim Ellison; Stan C.; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: RE: [Flexradio] anyone using "plug-in's"?

Other Flexers report success without problems. Computer settings could
sometimes be a chalenge. One of our fellow Flexers has developed a
plug-in
designed for use with Cubase/ SDR-1000. It sounds great. He's thinking
about
making it freeware. More to come...
John W5GI

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tim Ellison
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 4:28 PM
To: Stan C.; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] anyone using "plug-in's"?


I played with CuBase using VST plug-ins, but I was not fully satisfied
with the sound quality.  I think it was a CuBase thing.  BTW, CuBase
crashes PowerSDR on my machine due to ASIO conflicts.

I have put in an enhancement request for PowerSDR to support native VST
plug-ins directly injected into the TX and RX audio chain, so hopefully
one day we will have a large selection of software-based audio
processing options to play with.


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Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 4:54 PM
To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] anyone using "plug-in's"?

Hi gang.
   I was woundering if anyone has played around with using "plug-in's"
for audio shaping? It seems most people are using outboard
EQ's,mixers,limiters,etc. There are so many plug-in's out there and are
much cheaper then the hardware approch.

  Take care,Stan
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Re: [Flexradio] SDR keyer port code location

[Christopher T. Day]

Bill,

Thanks. Is that cwkeyer.cs or cwkeyer2.sc or both? [Coffee still taking
hold.]


Chris - AE6VK


-Original Message-
From: Bill Tracey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 10:07 PM
To: Christopher T. Day; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] SDR keyer port code location

Some places to look:

  PollPTT in console.cs
all of cwkeyer.cs - KeyThread.cs probably the most interesting

There's also some stuff in DttSP but I don't think you'd have to go in 
there for adding support for a new hardware gizmo.

Actually just starting to look at adding this support for the FPGA gizmo
-- 
we're looking to have the key hooked to the FPGA and sending the keying 
data over the USB port so need to figure out how to hook it in.

Cheers,

Bill (kd5tfd)

At 11:42 PM 4/15/2006, Christopher T. Day wrote:
><...>

>If that makes any sense to anybody who knows the right place to look in
>the source, I'd appreciate a pointer. Thanks.
>
> Chris - AE6VK

[Flexradio] New member

[Brian Sherrod]

Hello All,

I am a new member of this reflector and soon to be a new SDR-1000 owner when 
the unit arrives.  I have been completely out of radio for about 5 years and 
decided to come back in with a totally new (to me) technology.  Being a 
collector of vintage gear for many years, this will be an interesting turn 
for me, however I am not new to computers as that is where my profession 
lies.

Anyway, I just wanted to drop a note to the group and say hello!  I live on 30 
acres north of Vilonia Arkansas.  Hope to work many of you in the near future 
on HF or VHF and above.  I operate mainly SSB, AM, and CW.  Have done some 
digital in the past, but not much.  Also interested in radio astronomy, in 
particular Solar and Jovian noise bursts in the area of 20MHz.  I think the 
SDR1K will really be handy for this application.

I should have my SDR1K w/D44 in a few weeks, and if there are any hints or 
things I should avoid on start-up, I would sure appreciate hearing from you.  
Of course I have been reading the manual over and over.

73
Brian / W5AMI

www.arksky.org

Re: [Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

[Dale Richardson]

I must agree with Don on this. I really like using and playing with the =

beta versions. It is the joy of experimenting that makes the SDR unique. =

There needs to be an easier way to download and use the beta versions. I =

also agree with Gerald along the lines of business sense. One has to =

present the SDR as stable and ready to go to the majority of operators. =

That being said, I still like the idea of easy downloads of beta versions.
73,
Dale AA5XE

Don AE5K wrote:

>At the risk of getting my hands slapped (yes, this list now has a bunch
>of "Thou Shall Nots..." which are hard to keep up with)...
>
>In a recent communication to this list, Gerald wrote:
>
>  =

>
>>That is to publish BOTH the source and the executable code on
>>the SVN server and you will have access.  You do NOT need to compile any
>>code to get and run the latest. =

>>=

>>
>
>Sounds good!
>
>So, I believed Gerald and decided to try out the very latest "alpha".  I
>am sorely unexperienced with Subversion, but have TortoiseSVN installed
>on my Windows 2000 machine that I've been using in the past to run
>PowerSDR.  Briefly, here are my experiences last evening:
>
>1. Made a directory to hold the svn stuff and clicked on the only thing
>I could find that would download from the URI given by Tim E. the other
>day.  Lucky I have a DSL connection out here in the boondocks of the
>Ozarks ... it took more than several minutes.  Ended up with 95.9 MB
>(with 172 MB of disk space taken up) in the directory, including 5660
>files and 714 folders!
>
>2. Made my way to the "release" folder under trunk->bin and found a
>"powersdr.exe".  Clicking on it started up the "wisdom" program for a
>few minutes.  Then, instead of starting up the PowerSDR console, it told
>me of a fatal error: "File or assembly name
>Microsoft.DirectX.DirectInput of one of its dependencies was not found"
>
>3. Copied powersdr.exe into it's own folder and started it.  Now I
>consistently get a fatal error which starts out: "The system cannot find
>the file specified ... at
>System.Diagnostics.Process.StartWithShellExecuteEX (ProcessStartInfo
>startInfo)" and continuing with 4 more lines similar.
>
>Even though I might be considered a "software type", my expertise is not
>in the area of svn or MS Windows.
>
>It used to be simple to try a new beta version.  Just download a couple
>megabyte file and go.  Gerald, it just isn't that way any more!
>
>What am I missing? (besides some files)  Maybe some good directions on
>how to use subversion and to properly execute the latest alpha?  Or do
>those who wish to try out the latest need to become software gurus?
>
>I can accept the shift ... but I feel many of us are now left out.
>
>73,
>Don AE5K
>
>
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Re: [Flexradio] SDR1000

[Tim Ellison]

Happy Easter to you too.

Here is what you do.  Load TortoiseSVN 

Create a top level folder for the SDR source code.  I created one called
"
SDR development"

Using Windows Explorer, right click on the newly created folder and
select "SVN CheckOut.  If it isn't there the TortoiseSVN is not loaded
correctly.

In the URL for Repository field enter:
svn://206.216.146.154/svn/repos_sdr_windows/PowerSDR

In the CheckOut Directory field, select the folder you created above
showing the entire path.

To make sure you have it correct, click on "Show Log" and you should see
information pertaining to the PowerSDR revision releases.

Under Revision, select "Head Revision" and then click on OK.

Now the source code tree will begin downloading.

Look for the \trunk\bin\source directory for the
executable

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From: David W Gardner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:32 AM
To: Tim Ellison
Subject: Re: SDR1000

Tim:  First of all-Happy Easter- when I download the source code from
Flex unzip the files and run the SVN update and that completes with the
icon having an exclamation mark on it.  I can not seem to find the
trunk\bin\source directory.  Where am I going wrong?
Dave

[Flexradio] Am I Missing Something? Or Is Everyone?

[Don AE5K]

At the risk of getting my hands slapped (yes, this list now has a bunch
of "Thou Shall Nots..." which are hard to keep up with)...

In a recent communication to this list, Gerald wrote:

> That is to publish BOTH the source and the executable code on
> the SVN server and you will have access.  You do NOT need to compile any
> code to get and run the latest. 

Sounds good!

So, I believed Gerald and decided to try out the very latest "alpha".  I
am sorely unexperienced with Subversion, but have TortoiseSVN installed
on my Windows 2000 machine that I've been using in the past to run
PowerSDR.  Briefly, here are my experiences last evening:

1. Made a directory to hold the svn stuff and clicked on the only thing
I could find that would download from the URI given by Tim E. the other
day.  Lucky I have a DSL connection out here in the boondocks of the
Ozarks ... it took more than several minutes.  Ended up with 95.9 MB
(with 172 MB of disk space taken up) in the directory, including 5660
files and 714 folders!

2. Made my way to the "release" folder under trunk->bin and found a
"powersdr.exe".  Clicking on it started up the "wisdom" program for a
few minutes.  Then, instead of starting up the PowerSDR console, it told
me of a fatal error: "File or assembly name
Microsoft.DirectX.DirectInput of one of its dependencies was not found"

3. Copied powersdr.exe into it's own folder and started it.  Now I
consistently get a fatal error which starts out: "The system cannot find
the file specified ... at
System.Diagnostics.Process.StartWithShellExecuteEX (ProcessStartInfo
startInfo)" and continuing with 4 more lines similar.

Even though I might be considered a "software type", my expertise is not
in the area of svn or MS Windows.

It used to be simple to try a new beta version.  Just download a couple
megabyte file and go.  Gerald, it just isn't that way any more!

What am I missing? (besides some files)  Maybe some good directions on
how to use subversion and to properly execute the latest alpha?  Or do
those who wish to try out the latest need to become software gurus?

I can accept the shift ... but I feel many of us are now left out.

73,
Don AE5K

Re: [Flexradio] anyone using "plug-in's"?

[John Basilotto W5GI]

Other Flexers report success without problems. Computer settings could
sometimes be a chalenge. One of our fellow Flexers has developed a plug-in
designed for use with Cubase/ SDR-1000. It sounds great. He's thinking about
making it freeware. More to come...
John W5GI

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tim Ellison
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 4:28 PM
To: Stan C.; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] anyone using "plug-in's"?


I played with CuBase using VST plug-ins, but I was not fully satisfied
with the sound quality.  I think it was a CuBase thing.  BTW, CuBase
crashes PowerSDR on my machine due to ASIO conflicts.

I have put in an enhancement request for PowerSDR to support native VST
plug-ins directly injected into the TX and RX audio chain, so hopefully
one day we will have a large selection of software-based audio
processing options to play with.


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Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 4:54 PM
To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] anyone using "plug-in's"?

Hi gang.
   I was woundering if anyone has played around with using "plug-in's"
for audio shaping? It seems most people are using outboard
EQ's,mixers,limiters,etc. There are so many plug-in's out there and are
much cheaper then the hardware approch.

  Take care,Stan
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Re: [Flexradio] Increased excitement

[Eric Ellison]

Jose

I've been sitting here trying to figure out where to 'jump in' on the
'frustrations' thead(s). I like this approach MUCH better! My sentiments
exactly. It is well worth it.

If folks do get discouraged and 'go away', then 6 months from now the
'perfect console' (for them) will arise out of software, then they will be
back!

I say: "We ain't seen NOTHING yet"! Just wait, it gets better! You just had
to be around about 2 years ago to know this is EXACTLY true. (Jim how about
that? An absolute tied to a variable! (smile))

Eric




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of José Dumoulin
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:07 AM
To: FlexRadio
Subject: [Flexradio] Increased excitement

Hi Friends

I have been a ham for 50 years. FG7XV, F5JD, 5T5JD, 6W0JD, FO8JD, FO0JD, 
FK8GS, FK5C to name a few calls.
My american-english vocabulary is certainly poor, but, as far as the 
SDR1k is concerned, frustration is not in it. My one year old SDR1k is 
as up-to-date as the one sold yesterday by Flex-Radio. My fear is that 
possession of this equipment is perhaps bad for my health. Each release, 
be it beta or not, leads me to excitement and I am unable to control my 
Epinephrine. That was the case yesterday when I installed the console 
designed by Jeff - WA6AHL..

You who read this, if you have not bought a SDR1k yet, order one right 
now. If you cannot afford the price, steal one !

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[Flexradio] Increased excitement

[José Dumoulin]

Hi Friends

I have been a ham for 50 years. FG7XV, F5JD, 5T5JD, 6W0JD, FO8JD, FO0JD, 
FK8GS, FK5C to name a few calls.
My american-english vocabulary is certainly poor, but, as far as the 
SDR1k is concerned, frustration is not in it. My one year old SDR1k is 
as up-to-date as the one sold yesterday by Flex-Radio. My fear is that 
possession of this equipment is perhaps bad for my health. Each release, 
be it beta or not, leads me to excitement and I am unable to control my 
Epinephrine. That was the case yesterday when I installed the console 
designed by Jeff - WA6AHL..


You who read this, if you have not bought a SDR1k yet, order one right 
now. If you cannot afford the price, steal one !

[Flexradio] My apologies part 2

[Robert McGwier]

I turned on html on purpose yesterday because I wanted everyone in this 
reflector to see what I have been subjected to.  I knew that author 
could not resist those changes in font, italics, colors, etc.  I 
apologize as sincerely as I can for this breaking into the open but with 
a few hundred witnesses to what the "high and mighty nasty jerk doctor" 
has been subjected to, this is my last on this matter.  It has been 
handled in other ways.


Bob McGwier
N4HY

--
AMSAT VP Engineering. Member: ARRL, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats,
NJQRP/AMQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. ARRL SDR Wrk Grp Chairman
Laziness is the number one inspiration for ingenuity.  Guilty as charged!

[Flexradio] D-44 noise

[Mark Amos]

Folks, 

I'm hearing an annoying D-44 artifact and I'm wondering if other folks are
having it to.  Every once in a while (perhaps 10 minute intervals) I hear
what sounds like bad buzzy morse code traversing the sound field.  It seems
to start in the left channel and sometimes moves around.  I thought it was
my Bose headphones, but I've since heard it with an external amp/speaker
listening to the D-44 output.

Just wondering if anyone else hears this and/or knows how to get rid of it. 

It's relatively infrequent, and I've never been able to definitively
correlate it to any specific activity. It's no where near the sidetone
frequency of the radio, and I believe I've heard it when PowerSDR isn't
running (though I don't often listen to the computer when I'm not on the
radio, so this may not be the case.)

Mark

Re: [Flexradio] Amazing things really do happen.....

[Jimmy Jones]

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Re: [Flexradio] Amazing things really do happen.....

[Mark Amos]

Gerald,

Great model for alpha/beta software releases; rational, functional and
balanced.

Thanks!

Mark

"People seem not to see that their opinion of the world is also a confession
of their character." - Ralph Waldo Emerson 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gerald Youngblood
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:46 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Amazing things really do happen.

Hello all,

Let me try to clear up some confusion on the subject of Beta availability.
Our objective is to serve two communities at the same time (quite difficult
to do).  We want to serve the needs of those who want stable code while at
the same time serving those who want to play with the latest and greatest.

Why is this hard to do?  Because the needs of those two communities are
somewhat at odds with each other.  You who love to tinker, "brung us here."
Those who just want to talk on the radio will make it possible for FlexRadio
to have a future.  What the tinkerer loves, the radio operator dislikes and
vise versa.  We want and need to serve both.  

So how do we do that?  One of the major things holding the next group of
"Flexers" back from joining in the fun is the misperception that the
SDR-1000 is "not stable".  I usually laugh and say that it will be stable
when you our customers and we run out of ideas.  Do any of you think that
will happen soon?  I don't.

On the other hand, V1.6 is very stable.  The hardware is very stable.  Our
sound card support is very stable.  Thus the radio is stable.

However, we will always be improving the software.  We need to make the
latest software available without confusing new and potential customers.
The way to do that is to us the same methodology that all major open source
projects use.  That is to publish BOTH the source and the executable code on
the SVN server and you will have access.  You do NOT need to compile any
code to get and run the latest.  In fact not only Beta will be there but the
nightly build of the latest alpha.  We will publish Beta on our public site
when sufficient features warrant and when we have rung it out with those of
you who want to Alpha test.

The thing that we ask is that you not discuss bugs and alpha code here on
this list. This is to prevent confusion to the new guys. We now have a bug
reporting and feature request database.  WA8SRA kindly volunteered to
develop and maintain this for everyone's benefit.  He has also committed to
enhance it to meet the need for discussion surrounding development and
testing activities.

We ask those of you "who brung us here" to help us make the transition to
those who will take us to the next level in this endeavor.  Please be
sensitive to their needs while we figure out how to meet the needs of both
communities.  This is called "Crossing the Chasm" if you want to read the
classic high technology business book by that name.

Thanks to all for your support.  And thanks for all of you volunteers who
have made this effort a success.

73,
Gerald

Gerald Youngblood, K5SDR
FlexRadio Systems
8900 Marybank Drive
Austin, TX 78750
Ph: 512-535-5266
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: www.flex-radio.com
 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Naruta
> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 7:31 PM
> To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Amazing things really do happen.
> 
> For me, half the fun of the SDR-1000 is playing with the new 
> beta versions (they were already alpha-tested before 
> announced).  It was a joy to experiment with new features and 
> try to find a bug.
> A lot of us are not in this for plug and play.
> 
> How about Ken's "shadow site" idea?  The rule would be no 
> talking about the betas on the reflector.
> 
> I still haven't bought the necessary software to be able to 
> compile it yet, so that leaves me out of playing.  I've been 
> waiting for the rewrite before digging into the code; why 
> learn the old code?
> If we gotta do our own compiles, please provide a tool list 
> and script to be sure that everything is included.  Otherwise 
> you'll just get lots of "How do I compile" requests.
> 
> 
> Mike - AA8K
> 
> 
> 
> Ken Klein wrote:
> > Thank you Tim and Bob for the information.
> > 
> > I can understand Gerald's concerns, and also understand that his 
> > position is merited.  I do have to admit also that I always have 
> > looked forward to the beta (alpha, really) releases and 
> that a lot of 
> > the fun of this radio is being in on the cutting edge of the 
> > development.  Given that, I still wish that Gerald could post the 
> > latest alpha (or beta, whichever) code on some "back door" 
> website for 
> > us who like the convenience of downloading an already 
> "put-together" .exe file.  (And the "let me know when it's ready"
> > guys can just ignore it!)
> > 
> 
> ___
> Fle

Re: [Flexradio] The New Look for the Console

[Eric Ellison]

Mark Harold and others:

Well a lot of the stuff on the Flex Forum is dated, since many of the
'discussions' on features have already been implemented. Unless you were
around at the time, no one would expect that these could be easily found. 

Most of interest would be the Software - Hardware areas of the forum since
there is more in there along the lines of ideas. In the case of the "New
Look" to the console it which has not occurred yet (but will) there was a
lot of discussion which is still pertinent. 

There was a lot of discussion about Reflector vs Forum, and it is not worth
going through all those discussion again. We as users, just need to learn to
use these tools most efficiently. It would be nice to see some automatic
'inter resource' e-mail notification but it is not simple. 

The SDR-1000 and SDR in general represents a paradigm shift of the first
order. It is redefining how we perceive radio, and also how we communicate
the rapid change that software allows. Many things will change as we go from
1000 to 10,000 users and we will need cohesivness and improved
communications methods to make it a successful shift. Who would ever have
thought that it would be difficult to get a NEW FREE radio every few months
or so? 

Thanks
Enjoy the SDR - 1000, as I am sure you will.
Eric2 - AA4SW





-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Gang
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 3:26 PM
To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] The New Look for the Console

All I can say is WOW!

Eric, thanks for the pointers to the previous discussion on 
the console look.  I had briefly looked through some of the 
posts on the Forum but didn't find those.  As you said it is 
not used much any more.  I figured with the rate of change 
in the software posts a year old would probably not be 
relevant and would only confuse me.  In this case that 
assumption was wrong.  There was a great discussion on the 
console and some terrific ideas were presented.

I would agree it's too bad the Forum is not used much it's 
much easier to search but I'm sure there was a long thread 
on that somewhere so I don't want to reopen it.

As for the shack, we're getting ready to move soon so 
everything is being taken a part.  There will just be a 
simple setup with one and a SDR-1000 soon.

I did join the Teamspeak a little after it started but had 
not setup and tested the mic so I didn't want to debug online.

Now some random thoughts on way I choose the SDR-1000:

I decided on the SDR-1000 after watching the newsgroups on 
other radios such as IC-7000 and the Orion II.  The Orion II 
was the closest in terms of being software defined and 
extensible.  But the level of user frustration seemed very 
high.  Everyone has to wait for some programmer somewhere to 
address their issue.   With open source there is at least 
the possibility of being able to look into problems 
independently.

The trade off is the software is not running on dedicated 
single purpose hardware.  Windows was never designed as a 
realtime OS and it is usually another driver or app that 
interferes with the realtime operation.  I managed 
development of streaming video servers on both Windows and 
Linux so I know this for a fact.  It is only the power of 
modern processors that makes it possible to use Windows for 
this purpose at all.   The secrecy of the MS does not help 
things.  99.9% of Windows machines never run a realtime app 
so MS could care less.  Linux is much better suited but I 
think the current approach of focusing on Windows first is 
correct because of it is more widely understood by the 
users.  I plan to try both versions at some point. 
Unfortunately, the product support load on Windows will 
never go down much.  With the infinite number of hardware 
configurations and poorly written drivers and apps there 
will always be interactions that are not well understood.

So for me it's back to reading the reflector/forum trying to 
get ahead of the learning curve before the radio arrives.

TX & 73,
Mark
N6SF








Eric Ellison wrote:

Eric Ellison wrote:
> Mark
> 
> I think I noticed you on Teamspeak last night. Join in any time.
> 
> It is a shame that the Flex-Radio Forum is not used as much any more. The
> inclusion of pictures, and also comments was better than the Reflector,
and
> somewhat more compelling visually.
> 
> Sometimes it is good to go back and view these 'threads' to see some of
the
> history and the comments. 
> 
> Beppe posted the first of his "Dream" messages on April 1, 2005. There
were
> MANY good messages posted at that time discussing the form of this
pictorial
> console. The following links discussed many options considered with some
> pretty good discussions. 
> 
> 
> http://flex-radio.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=6924#6924
> 
> http://flex-radio.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=7054#7054
> 
> (in the above link pay particular attention to Beppe's modular (docking?)
> approach to 

Re: [Flexradio] SDR keyer port code location

[Bill Tracey]

Some places to look:

 PollPTT in console.cs
all of cwkeyer.cs - KeyThread.cs probably the most interesting

There's also some stuff in DttSP but I don't think you'd have to go in 
there for adding support for a new hardware gizmo.


Actually just starting to look at adding this support for the FPGA gizmo -- 
we're looking to have the key hooked to the FPGA and sending the keying 
data over the USB port so need to figure out how to hook it in.


Cheers,

Bill (kd5tfd)

At 11:42 PM 4/15/2006, Christopher T. Day wrote:

<...>



If that makes any sense to anybody who knows the right place to look in
the source, I'd appreciate a pointer. Thanks.

Chris - AE6VK