Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
Emilian, After some investigation, it is all working as expected. Here is a demonstration of all the possible features of bump mapping, reflections, reflection mapping, cube maps and cube crosses all working together. ftp://abbeytheatre2.org.uk:2121/flightgear/IAR80/iar80-mapped.png ftp://abbeytheatre2.org.uk:2121/flightgear/IAR80/iar80-mapped.png I've found some, but not all, of the objects with no texture but with reflection applied. Later I will put the amended files where you can download them so that you can adjust the parameters to your own satisfaction. Vivian -Original Message- From: Vivian Meazza [mailto:vivian.mea...@lineone.net] Sent: 04 April 2011 13:56 To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: RE: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ? Emilian, I've been devilling around in the IAR80 - something is generating that error, and I haven't found it yet. It also looks as if the cube cross option is no longer working here. I'll keep on some more. Vivian -Original Message- From Huminiuc [mailto:emili...@gmail.com] Sent: 03 April 2011 23:20 To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ? On Monday 04 April 2011 01:00:36 Vivian Meazza wrote: Emilian On Thursday 31 March 2011 12:03:50 Vivian Meazza wrote: Happens here if I disable and then reenable the shaders with the view- rendering options. What happens? The render bin error. Also most of the no image file, .. errors go away if I specify paths to them in the effect that inherits the one from Effects/reflect* (inheritance problem ?). No, it's not inheritance problems. It's people using unchanged copies of code which is meant to be an example. But I think I can fix it. In any case, the warnings shouldn't affect the functioning of the shader. Vivian Ok.. so the reflect.eff in $FG_ROOT/Effects is only meant as an example ? It should say so. Instead it says it can be inherited. That's not what I meant. It was the use of Aircraft/737-300/Models/Effects/733LH.ReflectionMap3 when it is not appropriate. Reflect.eff can and should be inherited. I see, thanks for clearing that out :). Nevermind that, if I inherit it in an .eff, shouldn't the unchanged elements be passed to the other .eff ? Yes, and as AFAIKS that works correctly. I have amended data/Effects/reflect.eff so that it uses a generic example reflect map, which needs replacing for individual aircraft. There is one remaining error message which can be generated: failed to load effect texture file D:/path/to/your/data/ This slightly misleading error message is generated when the object that has the reflection effect applied has no base texture. The effect still works as expected though. The fix is obviously to apply a base texture. Vivian I see, I think i've got a couple of those in the IAR cockpit that might give me that error : If it's not too much to ask will you take a look at this: http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/issues/detail?id=262 It's very visible in the IAR cokpit. Might be a mistake on my part, but I haven't got any feedback watsoever :(. -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 12:09:17 +0300, Emilian wrote in message 201104051209.17330.emili...@gmail.com: Thanks anyway :). But the problem I was asking you to take a look at was a bit different : Problem was in the cockpit, there are some full black faces on objects I know are correctly mapped (and I can easily reproduce the problem with any object that's using the reflect shader and has a perfectly vertical face), and I was asking you to take a look and see if you can reproduce the bug on your end. (Maybe it's system/gpu specific). Also you can see a weird black rectangle reflected by the pilot seat if you look straight down. (or at least that's what I see here). It looks as if one face of the reflected cube is smaller than the other . And before you ask, problem isn't related nor fixed by .dds textures (it looks just the same no matter what type of texture I use). ..screen shot link of what to look for, and command line suggestion to reproduce this? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
On Tuesday 05 April 2011 13:25:44 Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 12:09:17 +0300, Emilian wrote in message 201104051209.17330.emili...@gmail.com: Thanks anyway :). But the problem I was asking you to take a look at was a bit different : Problem was in the cockpit, there are some full black faces on objects I know are correctly mapped (and I can easily reproduce the problem with any object that's using the reflect shader and has a perfectly vertical face), and I was asking you to take a look and see if you can reproduce the bug on your end. (Maybe it's system/gpu specific). Also you can see a weird black rectangle reflected by the pilot seat if you look straight down. (or at least that's what I see here). It looks as if one face of the reflected cube is smaller than the other . And before you ask, problem isn't related nor fixed by .dds textures (it looks just the same no matter what type of texture I use). ..screen shot link of what to look for, and command line suggestion to reproduce this? Please see this bug: http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/issues/detail?id=262 --aircraft=IAR-80 and just take a look around the cockpit, if the bug is present it's pretty noticeable. -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 13:35:45 +0300, Emilian wrote in message 201104051335.45768.emili...@gmail.com: On Tuesday 05 April 2011 13:25:44 Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 12:09:17 +0300, Emilian wrote in message 201104051209.17330.emili...@gmail.com: Thanks anyway :). But the problem I was asking you to take a look at was a bit different : Problem was in the cockpit, there are some full black faces on objects I know are correctly mapped (and I can easily reproduce the problem with any object that's using the reflect shader and has a perfectly vertical face), and I was asking you to take a look and see if you can reproduce the bug on your end. (Maybe it's system/gpu specific). Also you can see a weird black rectangle reflected by the pilot seat if you look straight down. (or at least that's what I see here). It looks as if one face of the reflected cube is smaller than the other . And before you ask, problem isn't related nor fixed by .dds textures (it looks just the same no matter what type of texture I use). ..screen shot link of what to look for, and command line suggestion to reproduce this? Please see this bug: http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/issues/detail?id=262 --aircraft=IAR-80 and just take a look around the cockpit, if the bug is present it's pretty noticeable. ..er, it's different allright, no Nvidea black paint, instead I have sunshine-inside-the-cockpit-but-not-outside, livery is bare metal and way too dark, ATI hw on X.org's radeon, urls: https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/blob/master/a26+iar80/fgfs-screen-009.png https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/blob/master/a26+iar80/fgfs-screen-010.png https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/blob/master/a26+iar80/fgfs-screen-011.png https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/blob/master/a26+iar80/fgfs-screen-012.png ..dated lshw etc at: https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
On Tuesday 05 April 2011 14:21:45 Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..er, it's different allright, no Nvidea black paint, instead I have sunshine-inside-the-cockpit-but-not-outside, livery is bare metal and way too dark, ATI hw on X.org's radeon, urls: https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/blob/master/a26+iar80/fgfs-scre en-009.png https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/blob/master/a26+iar80/fgfs-scr een-010.png https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/blob/master/a26+iar80/fgfs-scr een-011.png https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/blob/master/a26+iar80/fgfs-scr een-012.png ..dated lshw etc at: https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings Hmm, I see.. So your ATI likes what my nVidia doesn't... and vice-versa :). I suppose radeon is the opensource driver... isn't it? -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
On Tuesday 05 April 2011 14:21:45 Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..er, it's different allright, no Nvidea black paint, instead I have sunshine-inside-the-cockpit-but-not-outside, livery is bare metal and way too dark, ATI hw on X.org's radeon, urls: https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/blob/master/a26+iar80/fgfs-scre en-009.png https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/blob/master/a26+iar80/fgfs-scr een-010.png https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/blob/master/a26+iar80/fgfs-scr een-011.png https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/blob/master/a26+iar80/fgfs-scr een-012.png ..dated lshw etc at: https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings Almost forgot: Thanks for testing. -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 14:39:01 +0300, Emilian wrote in message 201104051439.01870.emili...@gmail.com: On Tuesday 05 April 2011 14:21:45 Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..er, it's different allright, no Nvidea black paint, instead I have sunshine-inside-the-cockpit-but-not-outside, livery is bare metal and way too dark, ATI hw on X.org's radeon, urls: https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/blob/master/a26+iar80/fgfs-scre en-009.png https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/blob/master/a26+iar80/fgfs-scr een-010.png https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/blob/master/a26+iar80/fgfs-scr een-011.png https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/blob/master/a26+iar80/fgfs-scr een-012.png ..dated lshw etc at: https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings Hmm, I see.. So your ATI likes what my nVidia doesn't... and vice-versa :). I suppose radeon is the opensource driver... isn't it? ..yup, you can try the X.org's nouveau driver on your to see what that does, would tell us all a wee bit more. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
On Tuesday 05 April 2011 19:07:10 Vivian Meazza wrote: Actually - it wasn't working correctly - you are using a cube cross texture with cube map shader - which, much to my surprise works after a fashion. I'll investigate further. Vivian Ooops, I left the cube cross on the fuselage shader on the released version, my bad. Missed that, probably because it was working. I was refering at the reflect shader used by the cockpit. Please check this picture: http://ompldr.org/vODRxcw Thanks for looking into this. Btw: I think the Tempest looks great, and it's a shame to use such a small texture, please consider using at least 2048x2048 ;) -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
Emilian wrote On Tuesday 05 April 2011 19:07:10 Vivian Meazza wrote: Actually - it wasn't working correctly - you are using a cube cross texture with cube map shader - which, much to my surprise works after a fashion. I'll investigate further. Vivian Ooops, I left the cube cross on the fuselage shader on the released version, my bad. Missed that, probably because it was working. I was refering at the reflect shader used by the cockpit. Please check this picture: http://ompldr.org/vODRxcw Thanks for looking into this. The dark patches are an artifact of the reflection of a dark area of the reflection texture, and of the geometry of the object. It only happens in one direction. It's worse on a flat surface. I can't find a way to stop that in the code. I think we will have to live with this one. They can be removed, or at least hidden, by using more surfaces, and or triangulation. I found and fixed one on the Mixture Lever knob. ftp://abbeytheatre2.org.uk:2121/flightgear/IAR80/iar80-mixture.png Btw: I think the Tempest looks great, and it's a shame to use such a small texture, please consider using at least 2048x2048 ;) Thank you for that. Now that I have looked in detail at the IAR80, I am impressed by your attention to detail, and that even with all the detail, a reasonable framerate can be maintained. Now back to the Tempest to see if I can do as well. Vivian -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
On Wednesday 06 April 2011 00:48:15 Vivian Meazza wrote: Emilian wrote On Tuesday 05 April 2011 19:07:10 Vivian Meazza wrote: Actually - it wasn't working correctly - you are using a cube cross texture with cube map shader - which, much to my surprise works after a fashion. I'll investigate further. Vivian Ooops, I left the cube cross on the fuselage shader on the released version, my bad. Missed that, probably because it was working. I was refering at the reflect shader used by the cockpit. Please check this picture: http://ompldr.org/vODRxcw Thanks for looking into this. The dark patches are an artifact of the reflection of a dark area of the reflection texture, and of the geometry of the object. It only happens in one direction. It's worse on a flat surface. I can't find a way to stop that in the code. I think we will have to live with this one. They can be removed, or at least hidden, by using more surfaces, and or triangulation. I found and fixed one on the Mixture Lever knob. ftp://abbeytheatre2.org.uk:2121/flightgear/IAR80/iar80-mixture.png Thanks for looking into it, I thought it was something that could be fixed with the code (since, if you check Arnt's messages earlier, you can see that there it works correctly; he has other problems though, apparently our normalmap shaders aren't very opensource drivers friendly). I'll start pushing vertices then, and maybe I'll get around to releasing a new version. I might hold on to it a while though, as apparently osgv2.9.10 hasn't got support for bc5 .dds normalmaps :( . Btw: I think the Tempest looks great, and it's a shame to use such a small texture, please consider using at least 2048x2048 ;) Thank you for that. Now that I have looked in detail at the IAR80, I am impressed by your attention to detail, and that even with all the detail, a reasonable framerate can be maintained. Now back to the Tempest to see if I can do as well. Vivian Thank you too. :) I too am impressed with the ability of our engine to push big display resolutions with big vertex counts and huge textures full of detail, and I think it's a shame that ability doesn't get used to it's fullest with more high detail airplanes. Emilian -- Xperia(TM) PLAY It's a major breakthrough. An authentic gaming smartphone on the nation's most reliable network. And it wants your games. http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-sfdev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
Emilian, I've been devilling around in the IAR80 - something is generating that error, and I haven't found it yet. It also looks as if the cube cross option is no longer working here. I'll keep on some more. Vivian -Original Message- From Huminiuc [mailto:emili...@gmail.com] Sent: 03 April 2011 23:20 To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ? On Monday 04 April 2011 01:00:36 Vivian Meazza wrote: Emilian On Thursday 31 March 2011 12:03:50 Vivian Meazza wrote: Happens here if I disable and then reenable the shaders with the view- rendering options. What happens? The render bin error. Also most of the no image file, .. errors go away if I specify paths to them in the effect that inherits the one from Effects/reflect* (inheritance problem ?). No, it's not inheritance problems. It's people using unchanged copies of code which is meant to be an example. But I think I can fix it. In any case, the warnings shouldn't affect the functioning of the shader. Vivian Ok.. so the reflect.eff in $FG_ROOT/Effects is only meant as an example ? It should say so. Instead it says it can be inherited. That's not what I meant. It was the use of Aircraft/737-300/Models/Effects/733LH.ReflectionMap3 when it is not appropriate. Reflect.eff can and should be inherited. I see, thanks for clearing that out :). Nevermind that, if I inherit it in an .eff, shouldn't the unchanged elements be passed to the other .eff ? Yes, and as AFAIKS that works correctly. I have amended data/Effects/reflect.eff so that it uses a generic example reflect map, which needs replacing for individual aircraft. There is one remaining error message which can be generated: failed to load effect texture file D:/path/to/your/data/ This slightly misleading error message is generated when the object that has the reflection effect applied has no base texture. The effect still works as expected though. The fix is obviously to apply a base texture. Vivian I see, I think i've got a couple of those in the IAR cockpit that might give me that error : If it's not too much to ask will you take a look at this: http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/issues/detail?id=262 It's very visible in the IAR cokpit. Might be a mistake on my part, but I haven't got any feedback watsoever :(. -- Create and publish websites with WebMatrix Use the most popular FREE web apps or write code yourself; WebMatrix provides all the features you need to develop and publish your website. http://p.sf.net/sfu/ms-webmatrix-sf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
Emilian On Thursday 31 March 2011 12:03:50 Vivian Meazza wrote: Happens here if I disable and then reenable the shaders with the view- rendering options. What happens? The render bin error. Also most of the no image file, .. errors go away if I specify paths to them in the effect that inherits the one from Effects/reflect* (inheritance problem ?). No, it's not inheritance problems. It's people using unchanged copies of code which is meant to be an example. But I think I can fix it. In any case, the warnings shouldn't affect the functioning of the shader. Vivian Ok.. so the reflect.eff in $FG_ROOT/Effects is only meant as an example ? It should say so. Instead it says it can be inherited. That's not what I meant. It was the use of Aircraft/737-300/Models/Effects/733LH.ReflectionMap3 when it is not appropriate. Reflect.eff can and should be inherited. Nevermind that, if I inherit it in an .eff, shouldn't the unchanged elements be passed to the other .eff ? Yes, and as AFAIKS that works correctly. I have amended data/Effects/reflect.eff so that it uses a generic example reflect map, which needs replacing for individual aircraft. There is one remaining error message which can be generated: failed to load effect texture file D:/path/to/your/data/ This slightly misleading error message is generated when the object that has the reflection effect applied has no base texture. The effect still works as expected though. The fix is obviously to apply a base texture. Vivian -- Create and publish websites with WebMatrix Use the most popular FREE web apps or write code yourself; WebMatrix provides all the features you need to develop and publish your website. http://p.sf.net/sfu/ms-webmatrix-sf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
On Monday 04 April 2011 01:00:36 Vivian Meazza wrote: Emilian On Thursday 31 March 2011 12:03:50 Vivian Meazza wrote: Happens here if I disable and then reenable the shaders with the view- rendering options. What happens? The render bin error. Also most of the no image file, .. errors go away if I specify paths to them in the effect that inherits the one from Effects/reflect* (inheritance problem ?). No, it's not inheritance problems. It's people using unchanged copies of code which is meant to be an example. But I think I can fix it. In any case, the warnings shouldn't affect the functioning of the shader. Vivian Ok.. so the reflect.eff in $FG_ROOT/Effects is only meant as an example ? It should say so. Instead it says it can be inherited. That's not what I meant. It was the use of Aircraft/737-300/Models/Effects/733LH.ReflectionMap3 when it is not appropriate. Reflect.eff can and should be inherited. I see, thanks for clearing that out :). Nevermind that, if I inherit it in an .eff, shouldn't the unchanged elements be passed to the other .eff ? Yes, and as AFAIKS that works correctly. I have amended data/Effects/reflect.eff so that it uses a generic example reflect map, which needs replacing for individual aircraft. There is one remaining error message which can be generated: failed to load effect texture file D:/path/to/your/data/ This slightly misleading error message is generated when the object that has the reflection effect applied has no base texture. The effect still works as expected though. The fix is obviously to apply a base texture. Vivian I see, I think i've got a couple of those in the IAR cockpit that might give me that error : If it's not too much to ask will you take a look at this: http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/issues/detail?id=262 It's very visible in the IAR cokpit. Might be a mistake on my part, but I haven't got any feedback watsoever :(. -- Create and publish websites with WebMatrix Use the most popular FREE web apps or write code yourself; WebMatrix provides all the features you need to develop and publish your website. http://p.sf.net/sfu/ms-webmatrix-sf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
Emilian wrote On Wednesday 30 March 2011 13:57:19 Vivian Meazza wrote: Yves wrote Am 28.03.11 00:34, schrieb Vivian Meazza: If the reflection map path is incorrect you should see only this error message: no image file, maybe the reader did not set the filename attribute, using white for type '2d' on '', in /technique[9]/pass[0]/texture-unit[4] I get no missing file errors. If you are seeing another error message, please update your data (some potential errors were removed recently). If the errors persist then please file an issue report. I reverted all commits from Fred related to the patches from Lauri, without success. The issue remains, OpenGL error and invalid operation error after renderbin draw with reflect and reflect- bumpspec. All other shaders work as expected. I am on ATI 5750 on OSX 10.6.6. I don't see any other changes checked in fgdata or flightgear the last weeks. Where should I look else? I am tired of this issues (probably only ATI/OSX driver related again?). I bought a new ATI 5750 and now I get new errors with the reflect shaders. The shaders worked as expected with my very old ATI x1600, hmpf! Should I downgrade OSG to 2.9.7, I am currently running 2.9.9. ? I think you answered this one yourself: shaders worked as expected with my very old ATI x1600 Nothing has been changed in quite a while, apart from Lauri's patch which makes the shaders more backward compatible. I think you should use the shader with this patch applied, since it removed unused variables, which are a potential source of errors. I'm running 2.9.9 here, but it might be worth trying 2.9.7. I think OpenGL error and invalid operation error would indicate a driver issue, but I'm not an expert. Is anyone else reporting issues with this shader? Test using the B29, I'm confident that it works correctly. I'm not sure about other instances. I'm sorry I can't help more, but I'm not a mac user. Vivian Happens here if I disable and then reenable the shaders with the view- rendering options. What happens? Also most of the no image file, .. errors go away if I specify paths to them in the effect that inherits the one from Effects/reflect* (inheritance problem ?). No, it's not inheritance problems. It's people using unchanged copies of code which is meant to be an example. But I think I can fix it. In any case, the warnings shouldn't affect the functioning of the shader. Vivian -- Create and publish websites with WebMatrix Use the most popular FREE web apps or write code yourself; WebMatrix provides all the features you need to develop and publish your website. http://p.sf.net/sfu/ms-webmatrix-sf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
On Thursday 31 March 2011 12:03:50 Vivian Meazza wrote: Happens here if I disable and then reenable the shaders with the view- rendering options. What happens? The render bin error. Also most of the no image file, .. errors go away if I specify paths to them in the effect that inherits the one from Effects/reflect* (inheritance problem ?). No, it's not inheritance problems. It's people using unchanged copies of code which is meant to be an example. But I think I can fix it. In any case, the warnings shouldn't affect the functioning of the shader. Vivian Ok.. so the reflect.eff in $FG_ROOT/Effects is only meant as an example ? It should say so. Instead it says it can be inherited. Nevermind that, if I inherit it in an .eff, shouldn't the unchanged elements be passed to the other .eff ? -- Create and publish websites with WebMatrix Use the most popular FREE web apps or write code yourself; WebMatrix provides all the features you need to develop and publish your website. http://p.sf.net/sfu/ms-webmatrix-sf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
Am 30.03.11 12:57, schrieb Vivian Meazza: I'm running 2.9.9 here, but it might be worth trying 2.9.7. I tried 2.9.7 today, without success. I think OpenGL error and invalid operation error would indicate a driver issue, but I'm not an expert. Is anyone else reporting issues with this shader? There was another report but I think it is not related to reflect/bumpspec-reflect. Test using the B29, I'm confident that it works correctly. I'm not sure about other instances. I get the issue with B29. I'm sorry I can't help more, but I'm not a mac user. Vivian Thanks anyway, Vivian. -- Create and publish websites with WebMatrix Use the most popular FREE web apps or write code yourself; WebMatrix provides all the features you need to develop and publish your website. http://p.sf.net/sfu/ms-webmatrix-sf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
Am 28.03.11 00:34, schrieb Vivian Meazza: If the reflection map path is incorrect you should see only this error message: no image file, maybe the reader did not set the filename attribute, using white for type '2d' on '', in /technique[9]/pass[0]/texture-unit[4] I get no missing file errors. If you are seeing another error message, please update your data (some potential errors were removed recently). If the errors persist then please file an issue report. I reverted all commits from Fred related to the patches from Lauri, without success. The issue remains, OpenGL error and invalid operation error after renderbin draw with reflect and reflect-bumpspec. All other shaders work as expected. I am on ATI 5750 on OSX 10.6.6. I don’t see any other changes checked in fgdata or flightgear the last weeks. Where should I look else? I am tired of this issues (probably only ATI/OSX driver related again?). I bought a new ATI 5750 and now I get new errors with the reflect shaders. The shaders worked as expected with my very old ATI x1600, hmpf! Should I downgrade OSG to 2.9.7, I am currently running 2.9.9. ? Cheers, Yves -- Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
Yves wrote Am 28.03.11 00:34, schrieb Vivian Meazza: If the reflection map path is incorrect you should see only this error message: no image file, maybe the reader did not set the filename attribute, using white for type '2d' on '', in /technique[9]/pass[0]/texture-unit[4] I get no missing file errors. If you are seeing another error message, please update your data (some potential errors were removed recently). If the errors persist then please file an issue report. I reverted all commits from Fred related to the patches from Lauri, without success. The issue remains, OpenGL error and invalid operation error after renderbin draw with reflect and reflect-bumpspec. All other shaders work as expected. I am on ATI 5750 on OSX 10.6.6. I don't see any other changes checked in fgdata or flightgear the last weeks. Where should I look else? I am tired of this issues (probably only ATI/OSX driver related again?). I bought a new ATI 5750 and now I get new errors with the reflect shaders. The shaders worked as expected with my very old ATI x1600, hmpf! Should I downgrade OSG to 2.9.7, I am currently running 2.9.9. ? I think you answered this one yourself: shaders worked as expected with my very old ATI x1600 Nothing has been changed in quite a while, apart from Lauri's patch which makes the shaders more backward compatible. I think you should use the shader with this patch applied, since it removed unused variables, which are a potential source of errors. I'm running 2.9.9 here, but it might be worth trying 2.9.7. I think OpenGL error and invalid operation error would indicate a driver issue, but I'm not an expert. Is anyone else reporting issues with this shader? Test using the B29, I'm confident that it works correctly. I'm not sure about other instances. I'm sorry I can't help more, but I'm not a mac user. Vivian -- Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
On Wednesday 30 March 2011 13:57:19 Vivian Meazza wrote: Yves wrote Am 28.03.11 00:34, schrieb Vivian Meazza: If the reflection map path is incorrect you should see only this error message: no image file, maybe the reader did not set the filename attribute, using white for type '2d' on '', in /technique[9]/pass[0]/texture-unit[4] I get no missing file errors. If you are seeing another error message, please update your data (some potential errors were removed recently). If the errors persist then please file an issue report. I reverted all commits from Fred related to the patches from Lauri, without success. The issue remains, OpenGL error and invalid operation error after renderbin draw with reflect and reflect-bumpspec. All other shaders work as expected. I am on ATI 5750 on OSX 10.6.6. I don't see any other changes checked in fgdata or flightgear the last weeks. Where should I look else? I am tired of this issues (probably only ATI/OSX driver related again?). I bought a new ATI 5750 and now I get new errors with the reflect shaders. The shaders worked as expected with my very old ATI x1600, hmpf! Should I downgrade OSG to 2.9.7, I am currently running 2.9.9. ? I think you answered this one yourself: shaders worked as expected with my very old ATI x1600 Nothing has been changed in quite a while, apart from Lauri's patch which makes the shaders more backward compatible. I think you should use the shader with this patch applied, since it removed unused variables, which are a potential source of errors. I'm running 2.9.9 here, but it might be worth trying 2.9.7. I think OpenGL error and invalid operation error would indicate a driver issue, but I'm not an expert. Is anyone else reporting issues with this shader? Test using the B29, I'm confident that it works correctly. I'm not sure about other instances. I'm sorry I can't help more, but I'm not a mac user. Vivian Happens here if I disable and then reenable the shaders with the view- rendering options. Also most of the no image file, .. errors go away if I specify paths to them in the effect that inherits the one from Effects/reflect* (inheritance problem ?). Linux, 2.6.38, nVidia 8600 GT, 270.30 drivers, GIT from today, osg 2.9.10 -- Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
Am 28.03.11 00:34, schrieb Vivian Meazza: The reflection map is intended to vary reflection across an object. I would be amazed if one size fits all. I wouldn't have expected it to be a good candidate for the generic folder. Thanks Vivian. I am working with fgdata from yesterday, but I will check your changes the next days and I hope the issue has gone. Besides that, can you change the file to something like reflection_map_example.png and put it into /Generic aswell and set path in example to this file and not to a file of 737-300 folder ? I think it is a bad idea to have paths to specific aircraft at level /Effects. Thanks, Yves -- Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
ftp://abbeytheatre2.org.uk:2121/flightgear/Tempest/TempestV-Reflect-Map.png Which effect? Sorry, I don't see anything...*blush* -- Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
Am 28.03.11 08:38, schrieb HB-GRAL: Besides that, can you change the file to something like reflection_map_example.png and put it into /Generic aswell and set path in example to this file and not to a file of 737-300 folder ? I think it is a bad idea to have paths to specific aircraft at level /Effects. Thanks, Yves It is not a bad idea to make an example of course, wrong words. It is a good idea to make an example, but the path should go to default location, just in case, like the other examples. Now I see that there is a wiki page explaining that you can use Fuselagereflect for all aircrafts. Why not inheriting from default reflect directly? Makes no sense for me to have another default reflect effect at another location, which inherits reflect anyway (?). BTW. looking into 737-100 model xml the result is probably anyway a bit glossy (almost every part of 737-100 is reflecting, i.e. object-nameantennes/object-name) :-) Cheers, Yves -- Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
Hello, It is not a bad idea to make an example of course, wrong words. It is a good idea to make an example, but the path should go to default location, just in case, like the other examples. Now I see that there is a wiki page explaining that you can use Fuselagereflect for all aircrafts. Why not inheriting from default reflect directly? Makes no sense for me to have another default reflect effect at another location, which inherits reflect anyway (?). Agree BTW. looking into 737-100 model xml the result is probably anyway a bit glossy (almost every part of 737-100 is reflecting, i.e. object-nameantennes/object-name) :-) Cheers, Yves The result isn't very nice and realistic, unfortunately helijah uses this shader on every aircraft he is creating, even it isn't glossy in reality. To let it look realistic there are too important things: -cubemaps: they define the environment which is reflected. An aircraft flying in the alps reflecting very visible the ocean doesn't look realistic. -strength of reflection: not too much. Just a bit. -- Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
Hi Heiko, My two cents: About: An aircraft flying in the alps reflecting very visible the ocean doesn't look realistic. Won't it be possible to select the reflection according to the terrain under, it is done with some particule animations (helicopter), it is possible to make it with the reflecting system. I know that Gerard did experiment it, unfortunately i havn't found the example. It just want to include a Nasal script, since the terrain under is not exposed within a property. 2011/3/28 Heiko Schulz aeitsch...@yahoo.de Hello, It is not a bad idea to make an example of course, wrong The result isn't very nice and realistic, unfortunately helijah uses this shader on every aircraft he is creating, even it isn't glossy in reality. To let it look realistic there are too important things: -cubemaps: they define the environment which is reflected. An aircraft flying in the alps reflecting very visible the ocean doesn't look realistic. -strength of reflection: not too much. Just a bit. - -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
On Monday 28 March 2011 14:00:44 henri orange wrote: Hi Heiko, My two cents: About: An aircraft flying in the alps reflecting very visible the ocean doesn't look realistic. Won't it be possible to select the reflection according to the terrain under, it is done with some particule animations (helicopter), it is possible to make it with the reflecting system. I know that Gerard did experiment it, unfortunately i havn't found the example. It just want to include a Nasal script, since the terrain under is not exposed within a property. As it is right now with the shader system you can't change at runtime any other texture than the diffuse (read that livery) texture. So the shader system needs some improving.. (the best thing would be a cubemap generated on the fly , with render-to-texture, but that might generate a big performance hit :( ) -- Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
Hi, About: An aircraft flying in the alps reflecting very visible the ocean doesn't look realistic. Won't it be possible to select the reflection according to the terrain under, it is done with some particule animations (helicopter), it is possible to make it with the reflecting system. I know that Gerard did experiment it, unfortunately i havn't found the example. It just want to include a Nasal script, since the terrain under is not exposed within a property. I don't think it is possible, as the shader system doesn't allow dynamic switching between different cubemaps. And then, when ever the aircraft is flying above a small spot of water it would switch to ocean-cubemap- even in the alps. Better would be a realtime environment map. (like the reflections on the water in MSFS X or X-Plane) But this needs render-texture support and will probably have some impact on perfomance. Heiko -- Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
Argh, which explain i did not find the example, i just remember the effect , but did not noticed it was not dynamic. Sorry for the noise. I though it was like the livery change, which can be done on the fly. 2011/3/28 Heiko Schulz aeitsch...@yahoo.de Hi, About: An aircraft flying in the alps reflecting very visible the ocean doesn't look realistic. Won't it be possible to select the reflection according to the terrain under, it is done with some particule animations (helicopter), it is possible to make it with the reflecting system. I know that Gerard did experiment it, unfortunately i havn't found the example. It just want to include a Nasal script, since the terrain under is not exposed within a property. I don't think it is possible, as the shader system doesn't allow dynamic switching between different cubemaps. And then, when ever the aircraft is flying above a small spot of water it would switch to ocean-cubemap- even in the alps. Better would be a realtime environment map. (like the reflections on the water in MSFS X or X-Plane) But this needs render-texture support and will probably have some impact on perfomance. Heiko -- Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
Heiko About: An aircraft flying in the alps reflecting very visible the ocean doesn't look realistic. Won't it be possible to select the reflection according to the terrain under, it is done with some particule animations (helicopter), it is possible to make it with the reflecting system. I know that Gerard did experiment it, unfortunately i havn't found the example. It just want to include a Nasal script, since the terrain under is not exposed within a property. I don't think it is possible, as the shader system doesn't allow dynamic switching between different cubemaps. And then, when ever the aircraft is flying above a small spot of water it would switch to ocean-cubemap- even in the alps. Better would be a realtime environment map. (like the reflections on the water in MSFS X or X-Plane) But this needs render-texture support and will probably have some impact on perfomance. The default cube map of fair-sky is a reasonable representation of our fair-weather sky, with a nondescript land cover. Not only can the cube map not be changed on the fly, but it is also fixed to the aircraft and not the environment. If you don't look too closely, we can just about get away with it over most terrain (even ocean). It would be nice to fix that. RTT would be even better, but I can't see that getting done at a frame rate that we can afford. Hell, we can't even do shadows ... what chance a realistic reflection shader? Vivian -- Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
i was naive , when i asked it, on the forum, http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=47t=9972 giving an example coming from an old flightgear version. The effect was great, however the answers were not promising. what a pity we have lost it. 2011/3/28 Vivian Meazza vivian.mea...@lineone.net Hell, we can't even do shadows ... what chance a realistic reflection shader? Vivian -- Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Best regards, Henri, aka Alva Official grtux hangar maintainer -- Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
Hi, With 737-100 I get a illegal renderbin draw error. This comes from Fuselagereflect.eff (which is not part of 737-100 distribution), the effect is in /Aircraft/Generic/Effects. There I see that Fuselagereflect calls default Effects/reflect and then this one has a path to imageAircraft/737-300/Models/Effects/733LH.ReflectionMap3.png/image. Smoke over my head. Cheers, Yves I'm not quite sure, but so much as I know that was helijah's idea, as he fits every single aircraft with this shader. The 733LH.reflectionMap2.png was once created by Vivian and used on the 733 to give an example how this shader is working and how it can be jused. It would be much better that a gneric ReflectionMap is made and used here. That should prevent illegal renderbin draw errors. Heiko -- Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
Am 27.03.11 14:59, schrieb Heiko Schulz: It would be much better that a gneric ReflectionMap is made and used here. That should prevent illegal renderbin draw errors. Heiko Just to add: Looks like the illegal renderbin draw has other reasons. Besides this very interesting file/directory/self-and-outer-inheriting structure unfortunately the reflect shader is not working anymore for OSX 10.6.6/ATI 5750/OSG 2.9.9 at the moment (with recent sg/fg/fgdata). -Yves -- Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737-100: Fuselagereflect in /Generic ?
Heiko wrote: With 737-100 I get a illegal renderbin draw error. This comes from Fuselagereflect.eff (which is not part of 737-100 distribution), the effect is in /Aircraft/Generic/Effects. There I see that Fuselagereflect calls default Effects/reflect and then this one has a path to imageAircraft/737-300/Models/Effects/733LH.ReflectionMap3.png/image. Smoke over my head. Cheers, Yves I'm not quite sure, but so much as I know that was helijah's idea, as he fits every single aircraft with this shader. The 733LH.reflectionMap2.png was once created by Vivian and used on the 733 to give an example how this shader is working and how it can be jused. It would be much better that a gneric ReflectionMap is made and used here. That should prevent illegal renderbin draw errors. If the reflection map path is incorrect you should see only this error message: no image file, maybe the reader did not set the filename attribute, using white for type '2d' on '', in /technique[9]/pass[0]/texture-unit[4] If you are seeing another error message, please update your data (some potential errors were removed recently). If the errors persist then please file an issue report. The reflection map is intended to vary reflection across an object. I would be amazed if one size fits all. I wouldn't have expected it to be a good candidate for the generic folder. Oddly enough I have been working on the shader today. The reflection map can be used to give quite nice effects: ftp://abbeytheatre2.org.uk:2121/flightgear/Tempest/TempestV-Reflect-Map.png Vivian -- Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
