Re: [FRIAM] help with archives

[Prof David West]

Thank you very much, Needs revision and updating, but I am glad to have it back.

davew


On Fri, Jan 20, 2023, at 3:25 PM, glen wrote:
> http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/Truth-Hunh-What-is-it-good-for-Absolutely-Nothing-tp7590706.html
>
> On 1/20/23 14:12, Prof David West wrote:
>> Pardon my ignorance of something I should know how to do, but have not had 
>> reason to do it, and hence my ongoing ignorance.
>> 
>> I made a post a long time ago with a title close to, "truth, what is it good 
>> for? absolutely nothing"
>> 
>> Might someone brighter than me, find it in the archives so I can cut and 
>> paste it into a document?
>> 
>> many thanks
>> 
>> davew
>
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Re: [FRIAM] help with archives

[glen]

http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/Truth-Hunh-What-is-it-good-for-Absolutely-Nothing-tp7590706.html

On 1/20/23 14:12, Prof David West wrote:

Pardon my ignorance of something I should know how to do, but have not had 
reason to do it, and hence my ongoing ignorance.

I made a post a long time ago with a title close to, "truth, what is it good for? 
absolutely nothing"

Might someone brighter than me, find it in the archives so I can cut and paste 
it into a document?

many thanks

davew


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Re: [FRIAM] help with archives

[Frank Wimberly]

This led me to look at the archive.  This list is 19 years old.  I
should've known.

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On Fri, Jan 20, 2023, 3:13 PM Prof David West  wrote:

> Pardon my ignorance of something I should know how to do, but have not had
> reason to do it, and hence my ongoing ignorance.
>
> I made a post a long time ago with a title close to, "truth, what is it
> good for? absolutely nothing"
>
> Might someone brighter than me, find it in the archives so I can cut and
> paste it into a document?
>
> many thanks
>
> davew
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[FRIAM] help with archives

[Prof David West]

Pardon my ignorance of something I should know how to do, but have not had 
reason to do it, and hence my ongoing ignorance.

I made a post a long time ago with a title close to, "truth, what is it good 
for? absolutely nothing"

Might someone brighter than me, find it in the archives so I can cut and paste 
it into a document?

many thanks

davew

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[FRIAM] Help feed Ukrainian refugees

[Russ Abbott]

https://youtu.be/kEEu9aTX7rc

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Re: [FRIAM] Help for Afghanistan's scientists

[Marcus Daniels]

This could be a good thing, in the fullness of time:

 
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/08/two-blows-america-dealing-taliban/619903/

On Aug 27, 2021, at 12:01 PM, Merle Lefkoff  wrote:


Afghanistan’s scientists see gains slip 
away

For 20 years, science has blossomed in Afghanistan. Now many researchers are 
fleeing and those who remain face lost funding and the threat of persecution. 
Humanitarian organizations such as Scholars at Risk are working to find places 
for researchers overseas, but leaving the country is extremely difficult. 
Scientists told Nature that they 

 fear for themselves and their families, and mourn the loss of a flourishing 
science 
infrastructure.
 “We spent all our money, energy and time in Afghanistan to build a brighter 
future for ourselves and our children,” says medical physicist Musa Joya. “I 
really see a dark future.”

--
Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D.
Center for Emergent Diplomacy
emergentdiplomacy.org
Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA

mobile:  (303) 859-5609
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[FRIAM] Help for Afghanistan's scientists

[Merle Lefkoff]

Afghanistan’s scientists see gains slip away


For 20 years, science has blossomed in Afghanistan. Now many researchers
are fleeing and those who remain face lost funding and the threat of
persecution. Humanitarian organizations such as Scholars at Risk are
working to find places for researchers overseas, but leaving the country is
extremely difficult. Scientists told *Nature *that they
fear
for themselves and their families, and mourn the loss of a flourishing
science infrastructure
.
“We spent all our money, energy and time in Afghanistan to build a brighter
future for ourselves and our children,” says medical physicist Musa Joya.
“I really see a dark future.”

-- 
Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D.
Center for Emergent Diplomacy
emergentdiplomacy.org
Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA

mobile:  (303) 859-5609
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Re: [FRIAM] Help for Merle Lefkoff

[⛧ glen]

Ha! Excellent callback.

On September 10, 2020 2:49:12 PM PDT, Merle Lefkoff  
wrote:
>Oh no!  Did I get the UNITS wrong?樂  How easy it was to do that!
>
>On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 3:20 PM Steve Smith  wrote:
>
>>
>> Part-time for three months @ $300/month ($20/hr.).  Would like to
>start
>> 9/15.  web-site:  emergentdiplomacy.org.  Thanks, Jon.
>>
>> I think Merle means $300/week => 15hrs/week $20...   a good gig for
>> someone at loose ends or between semesters, etc.  It would be good on
>a
>> resume for anyone with environmental/ecological/activism interests
>while
>> paying the rent.  I think it would be a good experience for the right
>> person.

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Re: [FRIAM] Help for Merle Lefkoff

[Steve Smith]

Mary's grandson is the "king of glib" at age 4... his mom asked him how
big of a fish his great uncle helped him catch and he confidently held
out is hands about 5" apart and said "10 units!".  

On 9/10/20 3:49 PM, Merle Lefkoff wrote:
> Oh no!  Did I get the UNITS wrong?樂  How easy it was to do that!
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 3:20 PM Steve Smith  > wrote:
>
>
>> Part-time for three months @ $300/month ($20/hr.).  Would like to
>> start 9/15.  web-site:  emergentdiplomacy.org
>> .  Thanks, Jon.
>
> I think Merle means $300/week => 15hrs/week $20...   a good gig
> for someone at loose ends or between semesters, etc.  It would be
> good on a resume for anyone with environmental/ecological/activism
> interests while paying the rent.  I think it would be a good
> experience for the right person.
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Re: [FRIAM] Help for Merle Lefkoff

[Merle Lefkoff]

Oh no!  Did I get the UNITS wrong?樂  How easy it was to do that!

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 3:20 PM Steve Smith  wrote:

>
> Part-time for three months @ $300/month ($20/hr.).  Would like to start
> 9/15.  web-site:  emergentdiplomacy.org.  Thanks, Jon.
>
> I think Merle means $300/week => 15hrs/week $20...   a good gig for
> someone at loose ends or between semesters, etc.  It would be good on a
> resume for anyone with environmental/ecological/activism interests while
> paying the rent.  I think it would be a good experience for the right
> person.
>
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Center for Emergent Diplomacy
emergentdiplomacy.org
Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA

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Re: [FRIAM] Help for Merle Lefkoff

[Steve Smith]

> Part-time for three months @ $300/month ($20/hr.).  Would like to
> start 9/15.  web-site:  emergentdiplomacy.org
> .  Thanks, Jon.

I think Merle means $300/week => 15hrs/week $20...   a good gig for
someone at loose ends or between semesters, etc.  It would be good on a
resume for anyone with environmental/ecological/activism interests while
paying the rent.  I think it would be a good experience for the right
person.



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Re: [FRIAM] Help for Merle Lefkoff

[Merle Lefkoff]

Part-time for three months @ $300/month ($20/hr.).  Would like to start
9/15.  web-site:  emergentdiplomacy.org.  Thanks, Jon.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 1:21 PM jon zingale  wrote:

> I know a small handful of people that may fit. Would you say more about the
> position?
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-- 
Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D.
Center for Emergent Diplomacy
emergentdiplomacy.org
Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA

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Re: [FRIAM] Help for Merle Lefkoff

[jon zingale]

I know a small handful of people that may fit. Would you say more about the
position?



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[FRIAM] Help for Merle Lefkoff

[Merle Lefkoff]

Dear All,

Our organization is looking to hire a young person with excellent social
media skills, particularly in regard to online seminars and podcasts.  Web
design experience and an environmental sciences degree would also be very
helpful.  We want someone who is based in Santa Fe.  Thanks for your help.

-- 
Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D.
Center for Emergent Diplomacy
emergentdiplomacy.org
Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA

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Re: [FRIAM] Help for texas

[Marcus Daniels]

Glen writes:


"If you're implying that the trade-off mentioned in that article is ethically 
sound, then I'd tend to agree."


Yes, if you accept his premises, which of course I do not.   Revenue is a free 
parameter that can be increased.


Marcus


From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of ┣glen┫ 
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Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 12:47:16 PM
To: FriAM
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Help for texas



On 09/10/2017 11:30 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> One could imagine cultures in which sick people are quickly euthanized 
> similar like sick pets.  Or, in the interest of reducing taxes or debt, that 
> there was refusal 
> <http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article172024032.html> 
> to fund hurricane relief.  Sure, there is no defining away that things are 
> connected, but what is valued by the whole can be redefined or localized.
>
> Another example is how large corporations sometimes break-up into smaller 
> companies, e.g. HP and HP Enterprise.It is not clear that rebuilding some 
> resorts on the east coast of Florida impacts me as much as, say, Brexit.   
> Funding for recovery in Houston might make gas a little cheaper or certain 
> domestic products, but such resources could also be routed from the middle 
> east or Asia.   Now that nationalists are so influential, perhaps this a fine 
> opportunity for them to prove they care about how they circumscribe the 
> system.

If you're implying that the trade-off mentioned in that article is ethically 
sound, then I'd tend to agree.  It's useful to compare a) spending money on 
disaster relief/recovery versus b) spending money on the much longer-term, and 
slower percolating, amelioration of suffering that is "entitlement spending".  
Personally, I would tend to favor (b) over (a).  Episodic/acute disasters are 
the type of thing that's *easier* to keep within our attention span ... much 
easier than, say, the systemic costs of diabetes or lost productivity in old 
age.  The costs being addressed by (b) are much less evident, even in these 
times when the Boomers are starting to place serious drag on the system.  So, 
my contrarian self would tend to emphasize (b), as the sheeple's short 
attention span is turned to (a). 8^)  But, in the end, both cost categories 
will be paid one way or another.  So, it's stupid to pay more attention to one 
over the other, really.


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Re: [FRIAM] Help for texas

[┣glen┫]

On 09/10/2017 11:30 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> One could imagine cultures in which sick people are quickly euthanized 
> similar like sick pets.  Or, in the interest of reducing taxes or debt, that 
> there was refusal 
>  
> to fund hurricane relief.  Sure, there is no defining away that things are 
> connected, but what is valued by the whole can be redefined or localized.
> 
> Another example is how large corporations sometimes break-up into smaller 
> companies, e.g. HP and HP Enterprise.It is not clear that rebuilding some 
> resorts on the east coast of Florida impacts me as much as, say, Brexit.   
> Funding for recovery in Houston might make gas a little cheaper or certain 
> domestic products, but such resources could also be routed from the middle 
> east or Asia.   Now that nationalists are so influential, perhaps this a fine 
> opportunity for them to prove they care about how they circumscribe the 
> system.

If you're implying that the trade-off mentioned in that article is ethically 
sound, then I'd tend to agree.  It's useful to compare a) spending money on 
disaster relief/recovery versus b) spending money on the much longer-term, and 
slower percolating, amelioration of suffering that is "entitlement spending".  
Personally, I would tend to favor (b) over (a).  Episodic/acute disasters are 
the type of thing that's *easier* to keep within our attention span ... much 
easier than, say, the systemic costs of diabetes or lost productivity in old 
age.  The costs being addressed by (b) are much less evident, even in these 
times when the Boomers are starting to place serious drag on the system.  So, 
my contrarian self would tend to emphasize (b), as the sheeple's short 
attention span is turned to (a). 8^)  But, in the end, both cost categories 
will be paid one way or another.  So, it's stupid to pay more attention to one 
over the other, really.


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Re: [FRIAM] Help for texas

[Marcus Daniels]

Glen writes:


"It is not merely necessary, it is THE CASE that we are a whole and always 
"look after one another", in the end.  The question is about when to do the 
looking ... before or after bad things happen."


One could imagine cultures in which sick people are quickly euthanized similar 
like sick pets.  Or, in the interest of reducing taxes or debt, that there was 
refusal 
<http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article172024032.html> to 
fund hurricane relief.  Sure, there is no defining away that things are 
connected, but what is valued by the whole can be redefined or localized.

Another example is how large corporations sometimes break-up into smaller 
companies, e.g. HP and HP Enterprise.It is not clear that rebuilding some 
resorts on the east coast of Florida impacts me as much as, say, Brexit.   
Funding for recovery in Houston might make gas a little cheaper or certain 
domestic products, but such resources could also be routed from the middle east 
or Asia.   Now that nationalists are so influential, perhaps this a fine 
opportunity for them to prove they care about how they circumscribe the system.


Marcus

From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of ┣glen┫ 
<geprope...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 12:05 PM
To: FriAM
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Help for texas

On 09/10/2017 10:12 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> It is not necessarily the case that `we' are a whole and must look after one 
> another.  The population can be partitioned into compartmentalized subsets.

You're conflating willing payment with unforeseen consequences.  When we don't 
look after one another purposefully, we end up "looking after one another" in 
the form of systemic damage to the whole system.  So, while you're right that 
we don't have to pay attention, purposefully, to risk pools, the costs will 
always be present.  By paying attention to it, the argument goes, we lessen the 
overall damage, at the cost of the "redistribution wealth" the right wingers 
are so afraid of.

So, you're wrong in the naive assertion.  It is not merely necessary, it is THE 
CASE that we are a whole and always "look after one another", in the end.  The 
question is about when to do the looking ... before or after bad things happen.

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Re: [FRIAM] Help for texas

[┣glen┫]

On 09/10/2017 10:12 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> It is not necessarily the case that `we' are a whole and must look after one 
> another.  The population can be partitioned into compartmentalized subsets.

You're conflating willing payment with unforeseen consequences.  When we don't 
look after one another purposefully, we end up "looking after one another" in 
the form of systemic damage to the whole system.  So, while you're right that 
we don't have to pay attention, purposefully, to risk pools, the costs will 
always be present.  By paying attention to it, the argument goes, we lessen the 
overall damage, at the cost of the "redistribution wealth" the right wingers 
are so afraid of.

So, you're wrong in the naive assertion.  It is not merely necessary, it is THE 
CASE that we are a whole and always "look after one another", in the end.  The 
question is about when to do the looking ... before or after bad things happen.

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Re: [FRIAM] Help for texas

[Marcus Daniels]

Glen writes:


"The freedoms of the irresponsible are paid for with the obligations of the 
responsible ... the sick are helped by the healthy ... and the lucky (should) 
pay for the bad luck of the unlucky."


Among adults, there's the view that irresponsibility is a form of mental 
sickness.  And in a deterministic view of things, sickness just occurs whether 
it `ought to' or not.

But, taking that retrospective view, the healthy could be expected to abandon 
the sick to remain healthy in certain situations.


Not taking the mechanistic view, I think some would object to an equivalence of 
responsibility and sickness and also arise at a similar conclusion that the 
irresponsible could be abandoned in some situations.


It is not necessarily the case that `we' are a whole and must look after one 
another.  The population can be partitioned into compartmentalized subsets.

Advocates of health risk pools basically have this view -- an indirect way to 
do an ugly thing.


Marcus






From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of gepr ⛧ 
<geprope...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 10:54:26 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Help for texas

Well, I didn't intend them to be analogs so much as 3 examples of short-sighted 
failures to invest in infrastructure. The point being that an investment in 
building codes isn't that much different from an investment in sane zoning or 
watershed management. We (Oregon included) often sacrifice such infrastructure 
in the name of "freedom" (for businesses and individuals). The freedom to eat 
loads of fried chicken is in the same class as the freedom to build a house 
inside the 100 year flood plain. The freedoms of the irresponsible are paid for 
with the obligations of the responsible ... the sick are helped by the healthy 
... and the lucky (should) pay for the bad luck of the unlucky.


On September 5, 2017 3:10:45 PM PDT, Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> 
wrote:
>If, like Oklahoma, Oregon was pumping waste water underground, then I
>might see it in an analogous way.
>Fair enough.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of g??? ?
>Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 3:47 PM
>To: FriAM <friam@redfish.com>
>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Help for texas
>
>We lack infrastructure development across the board.  Renee' gave her
>house a "seismic upgrade" recently.  And although we had to get it
>*inspected* and get a permit, there is NO code for seismic upgrades.
>The inspector just comes out, stares at it while rubbing their chin and
>calls it good.  When the 9.0 hits us, it'll be trivial to say it's our
>own fault for not preparing.
>
>Similarly, Oregon is currently on fire, as is much of Washington and
>California.  The Eagle Creek Fire
>(https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets=default=%23eaglecreekfire=typd)
>was allegedly started by some teenagers tossing fireworks in the
>forest. [sigh]  But, systemically, I'm sure there's much more to be
>said about forest management.
>
>Three cheers for less government!
>
>
>On 09/05/2017 09:00 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> Note the date on
>this<https://www.propublica.org/article/hell-and-high-water-text>
>article.  And
>this<https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/houston-spent-massively-on-new-stadiums-not-its-aging-dams-as-harvey-proved-that-was-a-very-bad-choice/2017/09/05/94d006de-923a-11e7-aace-04b862b2b3f3_story.html>
>article makes me wonder..


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Re: [FRIAM] Help for texas

[gepr ⛧]

Well, I didn't intend them to be analogs so much as 3 examples of short-sighted 
failures to invest in infrastructure. The point being that an investment in 
building codes isn't that much different from an investment in sane zoning or 
watershed management. We (Oregon included) often sacrifice such infrastructure 
in the name of "freedom" (for businesses and individuals). The freedom to eat 
loads of fried chicken is in the same class as the freedom to build a house 
inside the 100 year flood plain. The freedoms of the irresponsible are paid for 
with the obligations of the responsible ... the sick are helped by the healthy 
... and the lucky (should) pay for the bad luck of the unlucky.


On September 5, 2017 3:10:45 PM PDT, Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> 
wrote:
>If, like Oklahoma, Oregon was pumping waste water underground, then I
>might see it in an analogous way.  
>Fair enough.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of g??? ?
>Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 3:47 PM
>To: FriAM <friam@redfish.com>
>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Help for texas
>
>We lack infrastructure development across the board.  Renee' gave her
>house a "seismic upgrade" recently.  And although we had to get it
>*inspected* and get a permit, there is NO code for seismic upgrades. 
>The inspector just comes out, stares at it while rubbing their chin and
>calls it good.  When the 9.0 hits us, it'll be trivial to say it's our
>own fault for not preparing.
>
>Similarly, Oregon is currently on fire, as is much of Washington and
>California.  The Eagle Creek Fire
>(https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets=default=%23eaglecreekfire=typd)
>was allegedly started by some teenagers tossing fireworks in the
>forest. [sigh]  But, systemically, I'm sure there's much more to be
>said about forest management.
>
>Three cheers for less government!
>
>
>On 09/05/2017 09:00 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> Note the date on
>this<https://www.propublica.org/article/hell-and-high-water-text>
>article.  And
>this<https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/houston-spent-massively-on-new-stadiums-not-its-aging-dams-as-harvey-proved-that-was-a-very-bad-choice/2017/09/05/94d006de-923a-11e7-aace-04b862b2b3f3_story.html>
>article makes me wonder..


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Re: [FRIAM] Help for texas

[Marcus Daniels]

If, like Oklahoma, Oregon was pumping waste water underground, then I might see 
it in an analogous way.  
Fair enough.

-Original Message-
From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of g??? ?
Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 3:47 PM
To: FriAM <friam@redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Help for texas

We lack infrastructure development across the board.  Renee' gave her house a 
"seismic upgrade" recently.  And although we had to get it *inspected* and get 
a permit, there is NO code for seismic upgrades.  The inspector just comes out, 
stares at it while rubbing their chin and calls it good.  When the 9.0 hits us, 
it'll be trivial to say it's our own fault for not preparing.

Similarly, Oregon is currently on fire, as is much of Washington and 
California.  The Eagle Creek Fire 
(https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets=default=%23eaglecreekfire=typd)
 was allegedly started by some teenagers tossing fireworks in the forest. 
[sigh]  But, systemically, I'm sure there's much more to be said about forest 
management.

Three cheers for less government!


On 09/05/2017 09:00 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Note the date on 
> this<https://www.propublica.org/article/hell-and-high-water-text> article.  
> And 
> this<https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/houston-spent-massively-on-new-stadiums-not-its-aging-dams-as-harvey-proved-that-was-a-very-bad-choice/2017/09/05/94d006de-923a-11e7-aace-04b862b2b3f3_story.html>
>  article makes me wonder..


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Re: [FRIAM] Help for texas

[gⅼеɳ ☣]

We lack infrastructure development across the board.  Renee' gave her house a 
"seismic upgrade" recently.  And although we had to get it *inspected* and get 
a permit, there is NO code for seismic upgrades.  The inspector just comes out, 
stares at it while rubbing their chin and calls it good.  When the 9.0 hits us, 
it'll be trivial to say it's our own fault for not preparing.

Similarly, Oregon is currently on fire, as is much of Washington and 
California.  The Eagle Creek Fire 
(https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets=default=%23eaglecreekfire=typd)
 was allegedly started by some teenagers tossing fireworks in the forest. 
[sigh]  But, systemically, I'm sure there's much more to be said about forest 
management.

Three cheers for less government!


On 09/05/2017 09:00 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Note the date on 
> this article.  
> And 
> this
>  article makes me wonder..


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Re: [FRIAM] Help for texas

[Marcus Daniels]

Note the date on 
this article.  And 
this
 article makes me wonder..


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[FRIAM] Help for texas

[Gillian Densmore]

Hi all in case anyone is interested in a bit of work I do rather than my
ranting and raving.  Here's a link in case anyone is interested or even
wants to go to dinner.
Also if anyone wants a funds added to the page let me know so I can add it.
Work safe!

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Re: [FRIAM] help with memory

[Russell Standish]

I know ... I know ! 

MOOC - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_open_online_course

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 06:04:38PM -0700, Nick Thompson wrote:
> Hi, Everybody, 
> 
>  
> 
> Does anybody remember from the 90's (yes, the 90's!) a computer web thing,
> VERY primitive, that tried to imitate a university with class rooms, and
> discussion groups.  It had a cheesy graphic interface you could "move around
> in"  I think it was called moo doo, but I possibly have it confused with the
> Vermont Fertilizer company of the same name.  I don't know if it bears any
> relation to the educational software Moodle.  
> 
>  
> 
> Ring any bells?
> 
>  
> 
> Have done some poking around on the web but I can't find anything, possibly
> because of people using the same or similar names for other things. 
> 
>  
> 
> Nick 
> 
>  
> 
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> 
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> 
> Clark University
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
> 
>  
> 

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[FRIAM] help with memory

[Nick Thompson]

Hi, Everybody, 

 

Does anybody remember from the 90's (yes, the 90's!) a computer web thing,
VERY primitive, that tried to imitate a university with class rooms, and
discussion groups.  It had a cheesy graphic interface you could "move around
in"  I think it was called moo doo, but I possibly have it confused with the
Vermont Fertilizer company of the same name.  I don't know if it bears any
relation to the educational software Moodle.  

 

Ring any bells?

 

Have done some poking around on the web but I can't find anything, possibly
because of people using the same or similar names for other things. 

 

Nick 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 


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Re: [FRIAM] Help!

[Owen Densmore]

On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 11:01 PM, Nick Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net
wrote:

 That’s it.  Thanks, Merle.  I just blocked on the title and I didn’t have
 enough of it right for Google or Amazon to find it.


​Speaking of the Art of Search, Cody dropped this very cool how to search
post on wedtech:
http://imgur.com/gallery/KlfTejk​


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Re: [FRIAM] Help!

[Joseph Spinden]

Borges had an illustrious career making up literary references.  Perhaps 
you should consider writing short stories... :-)
I believe it is Daniel Kahneman (among others) who talks about our 
propensity to fill in the blanks or complete the picture.

Joe



On 1/9/15 11:23 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:

Hi, Gary,

Thanks for trying.  I was prepared by my elders to lose my memory to
some degree when I grew old, but I was not prepared to discover that I
was making new ones up!  When I went to google the book this evening, I
had absolutely no doubt that it would turn up at the top of the list.  I
am totally boggled.

No, I know Bowles.  He’s a group selection guy, among other things.
He’s also from Umass, right around the corner from me in Massachusetts.

I have to admit, I am starting to find this a bit scary.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

*From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Gary Schiltz
*Sent:* Friday, January 09, 2015 9:30 PM
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Help!

Just a Google inspired SWAG, but does
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Bowles_(economist) seem plausible?

On Friday, January 9, 2015, Nick Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net
mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote:

Hi, everybody,

I am having one of those senior moments when  I either am
remembering something that never was or cannot remember the details
of something that was.

A few years back, there was a visitor, external faculty member, what
have you, at the Santa Fe Institute who wrote a book (I swear!)
entitled */Democracy in the Forest/*.  He commuted for a time from
UCLA, or some other LA university.  The book title does not pop,
although several entries regarding a book with a similar title do.

I have enough trouble remembering the things I remember without
making up things to forget, so I am hoping one of you can remember him.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/




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Re: [FRIAM] Help!

[Nick Thompson]

That’s it.  Thanks, Merle.  I just blocked on the title and I didn’t have 
enough of it right for Google or Amazon to find it.  

 

Nick 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ 
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Merle Lefkoff
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2015 8:15 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Help!

 

Hi Nick,

 

What immediately came to mind was the primate research crowd.  i snuck into SFI 
when De Waal gave some workshops there a few years ago, but he doesn't have a 
book with that title.  However, Chris Boehm, who I also met somewhere along the 
way, does have a book titled Hierarchy in the Forest:  The Evolution of 
Egalitarian Behavior.  It's a terrific book, and I have a copy if that's what 
you're after.

 

 

 

On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:23 PM, Nick Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net 
mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net  wrote:

Hi, Gary, 

 

Thanks for trying.  I was prepared by my elders to lose my memory to some 
degree when I grew old, but I was not prepared to discover that I was making 
new ones up!  When I went to google the book this evening, I had absolutely no 
doubt that it would turn up at the top of the list.  I am totally boggled. 

 

No, I know Bowles.  He’s a group selection guy, among other things.  He’s also 
from Umass, right around the corner from me in Massachusetts.  

 

I have to admit, I am starting to find this a bit scary. 

 

Nick

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ 
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com 
mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com ] On Behalf Of Gary Schiltz
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 9:30 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Help!

 

Just a Google inspired SWAG, but does 
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Bowles_(economist) seem plausible?



On Friday, January 9, 2015, Nick Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net 
mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net  wrote:

Hi, everybody, 

 

I am having one of those senior moments when  I either am remembering something 
that never was or cannot remember the details of something that was. 

 

A few years back, there was a visitor, external faculty member, what have you, 
at the Santa Fe Institute who wrote a book (I swear!) entitled Democracy in the 
Forest.  He commuted for a time from UCLA, or some other LA university.  The 
book title does not pop, although several entries regarding a book with a 
similar title do. 

 

I have enough trouble remembering the things I remember without making up 
things to forget, so I am hoping one of you can remember him. 

 

Nick  

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 



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Re: [FRIAM] Help!

[Merle Lefkoff]

Hi Nick,

What immediately came to mind was the primate research crowd.  i snuck into
SFI when De Waal gave some workshops there a few years ago, but he doesn't
have a book with that title.  However, Chris Boehm, who I also met
somewhere along the way, does have a book titled Hierarchy in the Forest:
 The Evolution of Egalitarian Behavior.  It's a terrific book, and I have
a copy if that's what you're after.



On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:23 PM, Nick Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net
wrote:

 Hi, Gary,



 Thanks for trying.  I was prepared by my elders to lose my memory to some
 degree when I grew old, but I was not prepared to discover that I was
 making new ones up!  When I went to google the book this evening, I had
 absolutely no doubt that it would turn up at the top of the list.  I am
 totally boggled.



 No, I know Bowles.  He’s a group selection guy, among other things.  He’s
 also from Umass, right around the corner from me in Massachusetts.



 I have to admit, I am starting to find this a bit scary.



 Nick



 Nicholas S. Thompson

 Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

 Clark University

 http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/



 *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Gary
 Schiltz
 *Sent:* Friday, January 09, 2015 9:30 PM
 *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
 *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Help!



 Just a Google inspired SWAG, but does
 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Bowles_(economist) seem plausible?


 On Friday, January 9, 2015, Nick Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net
 wrote:

 Hi, everybody,



 I am having one of those senior moments when  I either am remembering
 something that never was or cannot remember the details of something that
 was.



 A few years back, there was a visitor, external faculty member, what have
 you, at the Santa Fe Institute who wrote a book (I swear!) entitled *Democracy
 in the Forest*.  He commuted for a time from UCLA, or some other LA
 university.  The book title does not pop, although several entries
 regarding a book with a similar title do.



 I have enough trouble remembering the things I remember without making up
 things to forget, so I am hoping one of you can remember him.



 Nick



 Nicholas S. Thompson

 Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

 Clark University

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[FRIAM] Help!

[Nick Thompson]

Hi, everybody, 

 

I am having one of those senior moments when  I either am remembering
something that never was or cannot remember the details of something that
was. 

 

A few years back, there was a visitor, external faculty member, what have
you, at the Santa Fe Institute who wrote a book (I swear!) entitled
Democracy in the Forest.  He commuted for a time from UCLA, or some other LA
university.  The book title does not pop, although several entries regarding
a book with a similar title do. 

 

I have enough trouble remembering the things I remember without making up
things to forget, so I am hoping one of you can remember him. 

 

Nick  

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 


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Re: [FRIAM] Help!

[Gary Schiltz]

Just a Google inspired SWAG, but does
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Bowles_(economist) seem plausible?

On Friday, January 9, 2015, Nick Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net
wrote:

 Hi, everybody,



 I am having one of those senior moments when  I either am remembering
 something that never was or cannot remember the details of something that
 was.



 A few years back, there was a visitor, external faculty member, what have
 you, at the Santa Fe Institute who wrote a book (I swear!) entitled *Democracy
 in the Forest*.  He commuted for a time from UCLA, or some other LA
 university.  The book title does not pop, although several entries
 regarding a book with a similar title do.



 I have enough trouble remembering the things I remember without making up
 things to forget, so I am hoping one of you can remember him.



 Nick



 Nicholas S. Thompson

 Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

 Clark University

 http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/




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Re: [FRIAM] Help!

[Nick Thompson]

Hi, Gary, 

 

Thanks for trying.  I was prepared by my elders to lose my memory to some 
degree when I grew old, but I was not prepared to discover that I was making 
new ones up!  When I went to google the book this evening, I had absolutely no 
doubt that it would turn up at the top of the list.  I am totally boggled. 

 

No, I know Bowles.  He’s a group selection guy, among other things.  He’s also 
from Umass, right around the corner from me in Massachusetts.  

 

I have to admit, I am starting to find this a bit scary. 

 

Nick

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ 
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Gary Schiltz
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 9:30 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Help!

 

Just a Google inspired SWAG, but does 
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Bowles_(economist) seem plausible?

On Friday, January 9, 2015, Nick Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net 
mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net  wrote:

Hi, everybody, 

 

I am having one of those senior moments when  I either am remembering something 
that never was or cannot remember the details of something that was. 

 

A few years back, there was a visitor, external faculty member, what have you, 
at the Santa Fe Institute who wrote a book (I swear!) entitled Democracy in the 
Forest.  He commuted for a time from UCLA, or some other LA university.  The 
book title does not pop, although several entries regarding a book with a 
similar title do. 

 

I have enough trouble remembering the things I remember without making up 
things to forget, so I am hoping one of you can remember him. 

 

Nick  

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 


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Re: [FRIAM] Help!

[Marcus G. Daniels]

 A few years back, there was a visitor, external faculty member, what have
you, at the Santa Fe Institute who wrote a book (I swear!) entitled
Democracy in the Forest.  He commuted for a time from UCLA, or some other LA
university.  The book title does not pop, although several entries regarding
a book with a similar title do. 

 

http://dornsife.usc.edu/cf/faculty-and-staff/faculty.cfm?pid=1003114

 

Boehm, C. H. (1999). Hierarchy in the Forest: The Evolution of Egalitarian
Behavior, Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1999.


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Re: [FRIAM] HELP: google analytics

[Sarbajit Roy]

http://statcounter.com; is also quite good and you don't get the
obvious feeling that our tiny websites are contributing to Google's
bloated revenue stream.

Sarbajit

On 1/18/12, Nicholas  Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote:
 Thanks, Grant.  I guess I did all that , cuz it's now working.   Just asking
 you guys seemed to do the trick.  I waited the requisite 24 hours . in fact
 I waited 72! . but just the possibility of embarrassment before the high
 court of FRIAM seems to have scared it into action.

 On thing that helped me was a third party help site that I found that told
 me that I didn't have to copy any script into the site, just the number.  So
 that is all I did.

 Take care,

 Nick

 From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
 Of Grant Holland
 Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:30 PM
 To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
 Subject: Re: [FRIAM] HELP: google analytics



 Nick,

 Did you go to the GA website http://www.google.com/analytics/index.html
 and follow all the instructions?

 Did you first set up an account and a profile?

 Once you have a GA account and profile, you have to generate the correct
 Java script tracking code.
 To find out how to generate the tracking code, go here on the GA website:
 Under the Support tab, under Getting Started, there is an Install tracking
 code link that tells you how to generate the Java script.

 Once you have the tracking code, you have to paste it into the bottom of the
 header of every HTML page on your site.

 This is all explained at the GA website link above.

 Nick, I have it working for one of my sites, so feel free to call on me to
 try to help you out if you wish.

 HTH,
 Grant

 On 1/17/12 9:47 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

 Hi, everybody,



 I did a website for our local occupy group, and Now I am curious if anybody
 used it.  I rummaged around in the helpfiles until I found a third party
 instruction set for how to set up analytics for a site, I opened a profile
 and pasted the little number into my site, and sat back to await my report.
 Zilch.  Can anybody send me a screen shot of a report so I can see what I am
 missing?  It looks like I am getting report page, but there is no data for
 google to put on it.  I has my name and email message and the magic number,
 just not dat.  Any thoughts?



 Nick



 Nicholas S. Thompson

 Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

 Clark University

 http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
 http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 http://www.cusf.org http://www.cusf.org/










 
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Re: [FRIAM] HELP: google analytics

[Nicholas Thompson]

Thank you, sarbajit.  Nick 

-Original Message-
From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
Of Sarbajit Roy
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 7:29 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] HELP: google analytics

http://statcounter.com; is also quite good and you don't get the obvious
feeling that our tiny websites are contributing to Google's bloated revenue
stream.

Sarbajit

On 1/18/12, Nicholas  Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote:
 Thanks, Grant.  I guess I did all that , cuz it's now working.   Just
asking
 you guys seemed to do the trick.  I waited the requisite 24 hours . in 
 fact I waited 72! . but just the possibility of embarrassment before 
 the high court of FRIAM seems to have scared it into action.

 On thing that helped me was a third party help site that I found that 
 told me that I didn't have to copy any script into the site, just the 
 number.  So that is all I did.

 Take care,

 Nick

 From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On 
 Behalf Of Grant Holland
 Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:30 PM
 To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
 Subject: Re: [FRIAM] HELP: google analytics



 Nick,

 Did you go to the GA website 
 http://www.google.com/analytics/index.html
 and follow all the instructions?

 Did you first set up an account and a profile?

 Once you have a GA account and profile, you have to generate the 
 correct Java script tracking code.
 To find out how to generate the tracking code, go here on the GA website:
 Under the Support tab, under Getting Started, there is an Install 
 tracking code link that tells you how to generate the Java script.

 Once you have the tracking code, you have to paste it into the bottom 
 of the header of every HTML page on your site.

 This is all explained at the GA website link above.

 Nick, I have it working for one of my sites, so feel free to call on 
 me to try to help you out if you wish.

 HTH,
 Grant

 On 1/17/12 9:47 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

 Hi, everybody,



 I did a website for our local occupy group, and Now I am curious if 
 anybody used it.  I rummaged around in the helpfiles until I found a 
 third party instruction set for how to set up analytics for a site, I 
 opened a profile and pasted the little number into my site, and sat back
to await my report.
 Zilch.  Can anybody send me a screen shot of a report so I can see 
 what I am missing?  It looks like I am getting report page, but there 
 is no data for google to put on it.  I has my name and email message 
 and the magic number, just not dat.  Any thoughts?



 Nick



 Nicholas S. Thompson

 Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

 Clark University

 http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
 http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 http://www.cusf.org http://www.cusf.org/










 
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[FRIAM] HELP: google analytics

[Nicholas Thompson]

Hi, everybody, 

 

I did a website for our local occupy group, and Now I am curious if anybody
used it.  I rummaged around in the helpfiles until I found a third party
instruction set for how to set up analytics for a site, I opened a profile
and pasted the little number into my site, and sat back to await my report.
Zilch.  Can anybody send me a screen shot of a report so I can see what I am
missing?  It looks like I am getting report page, but there is no data for
google to put on it.  I has my name and email message and the magic number,
just not dat.  Any thoughts?  

 

Nick 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

http://www.cusf.org http://www.cusf.org/ 

 

 


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Re: [FRIAM] HELP: google analytics

[Grant Holland]

Nick,

Did you go to the GA website 
http://www.google.com/analytics/index.html and follow all the 
instructions?


Did you first set up an account and a profile?

Once you have a GA account and profile, you have to generate the correct 
Java script tracking code.

To find out how to generate the tracking code, go here on the GA website:
Under the Support tab, under Getting Started, there is an Install 
tracking code link that tells you how to generate the Java script.


Once you have the tracking code, you have to paste it into the bottom of 
the header of every HTML page on your site.


This is all explained at the GA website link above.

Nick, I have it working for one of my sites, so feel free to call on me 
to try to help you out if you wish.


HTH,
Grant

On 1/17/12 9:47 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:


Hi, everybody,

I did a website for our local occupy group, and Now I am curious if 
anybody used it.  I rummaged around in the helpfiles until I found a 
third party instruction set for how to set up analytics for a site, I 
opened a profile and pasted the little number into my site, and sat 
back to await my report.  Zilch.  Can anybody send me a screen shot of 
a report so I can see what I am missing?  It looks like I am getting 
report page, but there is no data for google to put on it.  I has my 
name and email message and the magic number, just not dat.  Any thoughts?


Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ 
http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/


http://www.cusf.org http://www.cusf.org/




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Re: [FRIAM] HELP: google analytics

[Nicholas Thompson]

Thanks, Grant.  I guess I did all that , cuz it's now working.   Just asking
you guys seemed to do the trick.  I waited the requisite 24 hours . in fact
I waited 72! . but just the possibility of embarrassment before the high
court of FRIAM seems to have scared it into action.  

 

On thing that helped me was a third party help site that I found that told
me that I didn't have to copy any script into the site, just the number.  So
that is all I did. 

 

Take care, 

 

Nick 

 

From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
Of Grant Holland
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:30 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] HELP: google analytics

 

Nick,

Did you go to the GA website http://www.google.com/analytics/index.html
and follow all the instructions? 

Did you first set up an account and a profile?

Once you have a GA account and profile, you have to generate the correct
Java script tracking code.
To find out how to generate the tracking code, go here on the GA website:
Under the Support tab, under Getting Started, there is an Install tracking
code link that tells you how to generate the Java script.

Once you have the tracking code, you have to paste it into the bottom of the
header of every HTML page on your site.

This is all explained at the GA website link above.

Nick, I have it working for one of my sites, so feel free to call on me to
try to help you out if you wish.

HTH,
Grant

On 1/17/12 9:47 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: 

Hi, everybody, 

 

I did a website for our local occupy group, and Now I am curious if anybody
used it.  I rummaged around in the helpfiles until I found a third party
instruction set for how to set up analytics for a site, I opened a profile
and pasted the little number into my site, and sat back to await my report.
Zilch.  Can anybody send me a screen shot of a report so I can see what I am
missing?  It looks like I am getting report page, but there is no data for
google to put on it.  I has my name and email message and the magic number,
just not dat.  Any thoughts?  

 

Nick 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/ 

http://www.cusf.org http://www.cusf.org/ 

 

 







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Re: [FRIAM] Help with memory

[Nicholas Thompson]

Thanks, Everybody, 

 

It Was Barry Commoner, in a three article series in the NY-er beginning Feb
2, 1976, called Energy. 

 

And it does have a long and loving account of entropy.  I still haven't been
able to read it because the archive system is hostile to ordinary mortals,
but I will let you all know if it is as good as I remember it being.  My
especial gratitude to Carl Tollander and John Kennison, who helped me look,
and to Renata Golden, who found it.  

 

What threw me off the scent was that Commoner wrote a book, a few years
earlier on a closely related topic, that does not mention entropy once!  

 

Nick

 

 

 

From: Nicholas Thompson [mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 9:24 PM
To: 'c...@plektyx.com'; 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'
Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Help with memory

 

Carl and everybody, 

 

The Wikipedia entry sure looked like it was going to have the reference, but
alas, it did not!

 

You are probably all prepared for one of the well-known terrors of old age,
that you forget stuff.  But another terror of old age you may not know about
- that you remember with great force and clarity things that never happened.


 

So, everybody, despite Carl's best efforts, the question remains open.  I
have put in calls to local nursing homes, but in the meantime could you put
your thinking caps on?  

 

Thanks, 

 

Nick 

 

PS  What the dickens did Roger Rabbit have to do with street cars and
entropy?  

 

 

 

From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
Of Carl Tollander
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 8:28 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Help with memory

 

Google Roger Rabbit, which sends you to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_streetcar_scandal Many
links.

On 12/17/10 8:03 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: 

Many years ago, perhaps more than 40, I swear I read a series of articles,
later published as a book, that laid out the basic principles of entropy,
told the history (perhaps mythic) of how GM tore up the trolley lines in LA
to get its dirty busses to replace clean trolley cars, argued that we would
in the next 40 years transition to natural gas as the price of other fossil
fuels rose, etc., etc.  I think I read it in the New Yorker, and I have had
two candidates for who wrote it, both of which have turned out to be wrong:
Bradford Snell and Barry Commoner.  Does anybody else remember it?  Is
anybody else on this list OLD enough to have read it?  

  

I promise I have googled the hell out it to no avail.  

  

Nick   

  

Nicholas S. Thompson 

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology 

Clark University 

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/  

http://www.cusf.org http://www.cusf.org/  

  

  

 
 

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Re: [FRIAM] Help with memory

[George Duncan]

See

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/1976/02/09/1976_02_09_038_TNY_CARDS_000316706

for the second article in the series,

found via Bing.

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Nicholas  Thompson
nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote:
 Thanks, Everybody,



 It Was Barry Commoner, in a three article series in the NY-er beginning Feb
 2, 1976, called “Energy”.



 And it does have a long and loving account of entropy.  I still haven’t been
 able to read it because the archive system is hostile to ordinary mortals,
 but I will let you all know if it is as good as I remember it being.  My
 especial gratitude to Carl Tollander and John Kennison, who helped me look,
 and to Renata Golden, who found it.



 What threw me off the scent was that Commoner wrote a book, a few years
 earlier on a closely related topic, that does not mention entropy once!



 Nick







 From: Nicholas Thompson [mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net]
 Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 9:24 PM
 To: 'c...@plektyx.com'; 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'
 Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Help with memory



 Carl and everybody,



 The Wikipedia entry sure looked like it was going to have the reference, but
 alas, it did not!



 You are probably all prepared for one of the well-known terrors of old age,
 that you forget stuff.  But another terror of old age you may not know about
 – that you remember with great force and clarity things that never
 happened.



 So, everybody, despite Carl’s best efforts, the question remains open.  I
 have put in calls to local nursing homes, but in the meantime could you put
 your thinking caps on?



 Thanks,



 Nick



 PS  What the dickens did Roger Rabbit have to do with street cars and
 entropy?







 From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
 Of Carl Tollander
 Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 8:28 PM
 To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
 Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Help with memory



 Google Roger Rabbit, which sends you to
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_streetcar_scandal Many
 links.

 On 12/17/10 8:03 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

 Many years ago, perhaps more than 40, I swear I read a series of articles,
 later published as a book, that laid out the basic principles of entropy,
 told the history (perhaps mythic) of how GM tore up the trolley lines in LA
 to get its dirty busses to replace clean trolley cars, argued that we would
 in the next 40 years transition to natural gas as the price of other fossil
 fuels rose, etc., etc.  I think I read it in the New Yorker, and I have had
 two candidates for who wrote it, both of which have turned out to be wrong:
 Bradford Snell and Barry Commoner.  Does anybody else remember it?  Is
 anybody else on this list OLD enough to have read it?



 I promise I have googled the hell out it to no avail.



 Nick



 Nicholas S. Thompson

 Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

 Clark University

 http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 http://www.cusf.org









 

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Re: [FRIAM] Help with memory

[Richard Lowenberg]

I recall reading the NYer article by Commoner at the time,
as the subject matter was of keen interest to me then, and continues  
to be.

FYI, a couple of other related seminal publications from those days:
The Entropy Law and the Economic Process, by Nicholas Georgescu-Roegen,
Harvard U. Press, 1971.
Energy and Information, by Myron Tribus and Edward C. McIrvine,
Scientific American, Sept. 1971 (issue on Energy and Power).
I haven't checked to see if these are available online.
Richard


On Dec 23, 2010, at 12:21 PM, George Duncan wrote:


See

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/1976/02/09/1976_02_09_038_TNY_CARDS_000316706

for the second article in the series,

found via Bing.

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Nicholas  Thompson
nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote:

Thanks, Everybody,



It Was Barry Commoner, in a three article series in the NY-er  
beginning Feb

2, 1976, called “Energy”.



And it does have a long and loving account of entropy.  I still  
haven’t been
able to read it because the archive system is hostile to ordinary  
mortals,
but I will let you all know if it is as good as I remember it  
being.  My
especial gratitude to Carl Tollander and John Kennison, who helped  
me look,

and to Renata Golden, who found it.



What threw me off the scent was that Commoner wrote a book, a few  
years
earlier on a closely related topic, that does not mention entropy  
once!




Nick







From: Nicholas Thompson [mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 9:24 PM
To: 'c...@plektyx.com'; 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity  
Coffee Group'

Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Help with memory



Carl and everybody,



The Wikipedia entry sure looked like it was going to have the  
reference, but

alas, it did not!



You are probably all prepared for one of the well-known terrors of  
old age,
that you forget stuff.  But another terror of old age you may not  
know about

– that you remember with great force and clarity things that never
happened.



So, everybody, despite Carl’s best efforts, the question remains  
open.  I
have put in calls to local nursing homes, but in the meantime could  
you put

your thinking caps on?



Thanks,



Nick



PS  What the dickens did Roger Rabbit have to do with street cars and
entropy?







From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com]  
On Behalf

Of Carl Tollander
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 8:28 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Help with memory



Google Roger Rabbit, which sends you to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_streetcar_scandal  
Many

links.

On 12/17/10 8:03 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

Many years ago, perhaps more than 40, I swear I read a series of  
articles,
later published as a book, that laid out the basic principles of  
entropy,
told the history (perhaps mythic) of how GM tore up the trolley  
lines in LA
to get its dirty busses to replace clean trolley cars, argued that  
we would
in the next 40 years transition to natural gas as the price of  
other fossil
fuels rose, etc., etc.  I think I read it in the New Yorker, and I  
have had
two candidates for who wrote it, both of which have turned out to  
be wrong:
Bradford Snell and Barry Commoner.  Does anybody else remember it?   
Is

anybody else on this list OLD enough to have read it?



I promise I have googled the hell out it to no avail.



Nick



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Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

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Re: [FRIAM] Help with memory

[Nicholas Thompson]

Thanks, Everybody, 

 

It Was Barry Commoner, in a three article series in the NY-er beginning Feb
2, 1976, called Energy. 

 

And it does have a long and loving account of entropy.  I still haven't been
able to read it because the archive system is hostile to ordinary mortals,
but I will let you all know if it is as good as I remember it being.  My
especial gratitude to Carl Tollander, Jonathan Barker, and John Kennison,
who helped me look, and to Renata Golden, who found it.  

 

What threw me off the scent was that Commoner wrote a book, a few years
earlier on a closely related topic, that does not mention entropy once!  

 

Nick

 

 

 

From: Nicholas Thompson [mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 9:24 PM
To: 'c...@plektyx.com'; 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'
Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Help with memory

 

Carl and everybody, 

 

The Wikipedia entry sure looked like it was going to have the reference, but
alas, it did not!

 

You are probably all prepared for one of the well-known terrors of old age,
that you forget stuff.  But another terror of old age you may not know about
- that you remember with great force and clarity things that never happened.


 

So, everybody, despite Carl's best efforts, the question remains open.  I
have put in calls to local nursing homes, but in the meantime could you put
your thinking caps on?  

 

Thanks, 

 

Nick 

 

PS  What the dickens did Roger Rabbit have to do with street cars and
entropy?  

 

 

 

From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
Of Carl Tollander
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 8:28 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Help with memory

 

Google Roger Rabbit, which sends you to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_streetcar_scandal Many
links.

On 12/17/10 8:03 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: 

Many years ago, perhaps more than 40, I swear I read a series of articles,
later published as a book, that laid out the basic principles of entropy,
told the history (perhaps mythic) of how GM tore up the trolley lines in LA
to get its dirty busses to replace clean trolley cars, argued that we would
in the next 40 years transition to natural gas as the price of other fossil
fuels rose, etc., etc.  I think I read it in the New Yorker, and I have had
two candidates for who wrote it, both of which have turned out to be wrong:
Bradford Snell and Barry Commoner.  Does anybody else remember it?  Is
anybody else on this list OLD enough to have read it?  

  

I promise I have googled the hell out it to no avail.  

  

Nick   

  

Nicholas S. Thompson 

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology 

Clark University 

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/  

http://www.cusf.org http://www.cusf.org/  

  

  

 
 

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Re: [FRIAM] Help with memory

[Brent Auble]

This may be the article you're thinking of -- it's by Barry Commoner from 1976 
(so your memory may not be quite as bad as you think).  Unfortunately, you'll 
probably have to buy a subscription to the New Yorker archives to read it... or 
maybe see if one of those things called a library has it.  ;)

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/1976/02/02/1976_02_02_038_TNY_CARDS_000316621

Of course, I'm not sure why you think it isn't by Barry Commoner.  I found this 
by searching for entropy on the New Yorker site.  


Brent





From: Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net
To: c...@plektyx.com; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
friam@redfish.com
Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 11:23:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Help with memory


Carl and everybody, 
 
The Wikipedia entry sure looked like it was going to have the reference, but 
alas, it did not!
 
You are probably all prepared for one of the well-known terrors of old age, 
that 
you forget stuff.  But another terror of old age you may not know about – that 
you remember with great force and clarity things that never happened.  

 
So, everybody, despite Carl’s best efforts, the question remains open.  I have 
put in calls to local nursing homes, but in the meantime could you put your 
thinking caps on?  

 
Thanks, 
 
Nick 
 
PS  What the dickens did Roger Rabbit have to do with street cars and entropy?  
 
 
 
From:friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of 
Carl Tollander
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 8:28 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Help with memory
 
Google Roger Rabbit, which sends you to 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_streetcar_scandal Many links.

On 12/17/10 8:03 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: 
Many years ago, perhaps more than 40, I swear I read a series of articles, 
later 
published as a book, that laid out the basic principles of entropy, told the 
history (perhaps mythic) of how GM tore up the trolley lines in LA to get its 
dirty busses to replace clean trolley cars, argued that we would in the next 40 
years transition to natural gas as the price of other fossil fuels rose, etc., 
etc.  I think I read it in the New Yorker, and I have had two candidates for 
who 
wrote it, both of which have turned out to be wrong:  Bradford Snell and Barry 
Commoner.  Does anybody else remember it?  Is anybody else on this list OLD 
enough to have read it?  

  
I promise I have googled the hell out it to no avail.  
  
Nick   
  
Nicholas S. Thompson 
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology 
Clark University 
http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/ 
http://www.cusf.org/ 
  
  
  
  

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[FRIAM] Help with memory

[Nicholas Thompson]

Many years ago, perhaps more than 40, I swear I read a series of articles,
later published as a book, that laid out the basic principles of entropy,
told the history (perhaps mythic) of how GM tore up the trolley lines in LA
to get its dirty busses to replace clean trolley cars, argued that we would
in the next 40 years transition to natural gas as the price of other fossil
fuels rose, etc., etc.  I think I read it in the New Yorker, and I have had
two candidates for who wrote it, both of which have turned out to be wrong:
Bradford Snell and Barry Commoner.  Does anybody else remember it?  Is
anybody else on this list OLD enough to have read it?  

 

I promise I have googled the hell out it to no avail.  

 

Nick  

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

http://www.cusf.org http://www.cusf.org/ 

 

 


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Re: [FRIAM] Help with memory

[Carl Tollander]

Google Roger Rabbit, which sends you to 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_streetcar_scandal Many 
links.


On 12/17/10 8:03 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:


Many years ago, perhaps more than 40, I swear I read a series of 
articles, later published as a book, that laid out the basic 
principles of entropy, told the history (perhaps mythic) of how GM 
tore up the trolley lines in LA to get its dirty busses to replace 
clean trolley cars, argued that we would in the next 40 years 
transition to natural gas as the price of other fossil fuels rose, 
etc., etc.  I think I read it in the New Yorker, and I have had two 
candidates for who wrote it, both of which have turned out to be 
wrong:  Bradford Snell and Barry Commoner.  Does anybody else remember 
it?  Is anybody else on this list OLD enough to have read it?


I promise I have googled the hell out it to no avail.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ 
http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/


http://www.cusf.org http://www.cusf.org/



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Re: [FRIAM] Help with memory

[Nicholas Thompson]

Carl and everybody, 

 

The Wikipedia entry sure looked like it was going to have the reference, but
alas, it did not!

 

You are probably all prepared for one of the well-known terrors of old age,
that you forget stuff.  But another terror of old age you may not know about
- that you remember with great force and clarity things that never happened.


 

So, everybody, despite Carl's best efforts, the question remains open.  I
have put in calls to local nursing homes, but in the meantime could you put
your thinking caps on?  

 

Thanks, 

 

Nick 

 

PS  What the dickens did Roger Rabbit have to do with street cars and
entropy?  

 

 

 

From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
Of Carl Tollander
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 8:28 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Help with memory

 

Google Roger Rabbit, which sends you to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_streetcar_scandal Many
links.

On 12/17/10 8:03 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: 

Many years ago, perhaps more than 40, I swear I read a series of articles,
later published as a book, that laid out the basic principles of entropy,
told the history (perhaps mythic) of how GM tore up the trolley lines in LA
to get its dirty busses to replace clean trolley cars, argued that we would
in the next 40 years transition to natural gas as the price of other fossil
fuels rose, etc., etc.  I think I read it in the New Yorker, and I have had
two candidates for who wrote it, both of which have turned out to be wrong:
Bradford Snell and Barry Commoner.  Does anybody else remember it?  Is
anybody else on this list OLD enough to have read it?  

  

I promise I have googled the hell out it to no avail.  

  

Nick   

  

Nicholas S. Thompson 

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology 

Clark University 

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/  

http://www.cusf.org http://www.cusf.org/  

  

  

 
 

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Re: [FRIAM] Help, Please!

[michael barron]

Peter Lissaman:
I saw you request for a  Matlab consultant. I might be  interested is
looking at you
project. I have done some Mathlab on several DSP/FPGA and a classified data
base
(LANL) for DTRA.

I would like to talk to you, and maybe we can get together soon. I live in
 Santa Fe, and
do a lot of consulting work.

Please send me a E mail, and then we can  talk on the phone or get together.

regards
michael barron
santa fe, nm
cell phone (505) 577-7306

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 Wanted: a hands-on computer consultant for MATLAB, for pay!  My place in SF
 or yours.  ASAP for invited scientific paper.  Please reply by e-mail.
 Peter Lissaman, Da Vinci Ventures

 Expertise is not knowing everything, but knowing what to look for.

 1454 Miracerros Loop South, Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505,USA
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[FRIAM] Help, Please!

[plissaman]

Wanted: a hands-on computer consultant for MATLAB, for pay!  My place in SF or 
yours.  ASAP for invited scientific paper.  Please reply by e-mail. 
Peter Lissaman, Da Vinci Ventures 

Expertise is not knowing everything, but knowing what to look for. 

1454 Miracerros Loop South, Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505,USA 
tel:(505)983-7728 

---BeginMessage---
Doug has found the fundamental answer to all of our questions by synchronous 
morphic resonance? Whow. Maybe his parrot farm is just a nickname for a huge 
subterranean data center which dwarfs Google's latest and biggest versions? 
I am impressed.


-J.

- Original Message - 
From: Steve Smith

To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] ABMs and Psychology

I think you've hit upon the fundamental answer to all of our questions, 
philosphical (synchronicity vs emergence and epistimology vs cosmology), 
technological (what is the bestest language for OO or ABM development), 
psychological (variations on homunculus talk), mathematical (is solving 
Goldbach's conjecture fundamentally more important than Fermat's last 
theorem?), and practical (is it too late for coffee yet too early for beer? 
And in what Time Zone?)


All of these FRIAM discussions do seem to be about infinite horizons and 
somebody always demands that we return to experiences.


Amazing... Synchronicity *and* Morphic Resonance all rolled into one!

;-} Steve



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[FRIAM] help the sfX

[PPARYSKI]

A repeat of my previous e-mail and a reminder that the Santa Complex will 
offer the possibility of publishing articles on applied complexity.   Paul


All of you know what a valuable and fun discussion forum FRIAM has been for 
the past four+ years.  All the archives can now be found 
at http://n2.nabble.com/Friam-f471366.html thanks to Owen and Nick.  All this 
for free!

Some of us have been struggling hard (over 3000 hours of volunteer work) to 
make this same kind of discussion available in a physical place available to 
kids, a place where art and science meet, a space for projects and applied 
complexity, a place for syncretism and cross fertilization of ideas.  And it is 
working:  we have had 22 events with the participation of 3000 people; we have 
been mentioned in newspapers (we were named best place to mix art and science 
by the Santa Fe Reporter) and radio; 30 kids have been to training sessions; 
and much more is planned.  We have received a grant from the City of Santa Fe 
and a number of local businesses are donating time and materials to help us 
get started. But we need your help to meet our on-going cash expenses as we 
slip 
into the grant calendars for funding agencies.  So we would be very 
appreciative and delighted if you could contribute before August 15th.  
Contributions 
can be made through our website www.sfcomplex.org/wordpress/donations and are 
tax deductible.

Please help!  Thank you!

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Re: [FRIAM] help please: networking software question

[Nick Frost]

Giles Bowkett wrote:

 The ideal solution would be something incredibly simple, where a skull
 would only become alerted to the wand's existence if the wand was in a
 particular range of X feet, with X ideally being a small number like
 5, and further, where the wand's signal could only be picked up by any
 one skull at a time. One suggestion I've gotten is to use a TV remote
 inside the wand, and add remote sensors to each skull, but I think
 more elegant solutions are possible. I just don't know what they might
 be.

I would think that proximity triggering could be achieved with an 
inductor, (i.e capaciflector);

http://www.solarbotics.net/library/circuits/sensors_prox.html

however, it would be hard to trigger one skull at a time that way.

You might be able to have a wand with 4 buttons and use wireless remotes;

http://www.smarthome.com/4000.html

Velleman sells some kits that do that sort of thing and there are 
various domestic distributors;

http://www.velleman.be/es/en/product/list/?id=344678

For the theory part of proximity sensors (capacitive inductors);

http://weewave.mer.utexas.edu/MED_files/Former_Students/thesis_dssrtns/Gupta_V_abstrct_TOC.html

Off-the-shelf;

http://www.ab.com/sensors/products/proximity_sensors/

solutions that would require building some hardware;

http://www.qprox.com/products/qtouch.php

I'll keep looking.

-Nick

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[FRIAM] help please: networking software question

[Giles Bowkett]

Hi Friamers -- I have something I need help with.

I want to build a version of the 80s toy Simon in the form of a 20'
ring of four skulls.

Simon was a small handheld toy which had four buttons. Lights beneath
the buttons would flash in a particular sequence, the player would
press the buttons to copy that sequence, and if the player keyed in
the sequence correctly, the player won the round, and Simon would
start again with a faster, more complex sequence.

In this implementation, each skull's eyes light up, and the skulls use
Gumstix boxes (gumstix.org) with WiFi to coordinate the sequences of
their flashes. The user runs from skull to skull carrying a wand,
which contains either a fifth Gumstix or maybe a simple Bluetooth
device, and the wand, by proximity to a given skull, triggers that
skull to flash. Waving the wand at a given skull is therefore
equivalent to pressing a particular button. Strictly speaking, waving
the wand is not necessary, you just have to get it close to the skull,
but the wand will be decorated and waving it will be encouraged.

I should point out that these would in fact be animal skulls from
Jackalope on Cerrillos, not human skulls.

The goal here is basically an interactive art installation which is at
once terrifying, silly, grotesque, and fun.

The problem is, although software to trigger flashing lights in
aribtrary sequences is obviously pretty easy to write, and Gumstix
makes the hardware part easy too, I haven't figured out how the magic
wand part will work. I really know absolutely nothing about how to
solve this kind of problem; I don't even know whether WiFi or
Bluetooth would make more sense for this.

The ideal solution would be something incredibly simple, where a skull
would only become alerted to the wand's existence if the wand was in a
particular range of X feet, with X ideally being a small number like
5, and further, where the wand's signal could only be picked up by any
one skull at a time. One suggestion I've gotten is to use a TV remote
inside the wand, and add remote sensors to each skull, but I think
more elegant solutions are possible. I just don't know what they might
be.

-- 
Giles Bowkett
http://www.gilesgoatboy.org
http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com
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