[FRIAM] Dropbox: Asks for password change periodically

[Owen Densmore]

DB asks for me to change my pw when I go to use their web features.  This
seems a bit nuts to me .. why not just have a good one to begin with?  As
long as its specific to DB, it seems that a 15 char unique pw should be
just fine.

But even odder, this is a distributed pw .. I've got three computers, my
iphone/ipad using DB.  I just love the idea of changing all these and
keeping them in sync.  Not!

Do any of us go thru this periodic change?  Apparently only enforced when
you use the web account.

Sigh,

   -- Owen

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Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time

[Gillian Densmore]

I love google drive for somestuff- It's great if you can use it from the
same computer or have one that does java quickly
when uploading at school though for some reason it was dog slow-same for
downloading-and that stuff was-illustrator files- or pictures--with those
short comings acounted for google drive is slick--and more than once was
how I turned in homework-by pointing the prof to a URL linked in some
fation to the file.

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
>
>> Google+ has free unlimited storage of images but only at 2048 px. You can
>> pay for >5GB of images at greater resolution. Android g+ has an automatic
>> picture upload feature.
>>
>> --Doug
>>
>
> While looking into dropbox alternatives, I looked into Google Drive .. but
> hadn't heard about G+ for images.  Some of the commentary on Google
> services was that they somehow "use" the data you keep with them ..
> possibly for face recognition searching and so on.
>
> Couple of questions:
>
> - How well is Google Drive working for folks?  It apparently is great for
> android but some said "still in beta" so to speak.  It seems to have
> integrated with Google Docs .. so that might make it great for all
> "documentation" backup.
>
> - Is G+ photo storage public?  Separate from GD? Photo sharing may be the
> mention of Google use of user data.  Does it do the conversion to 2Mpx
> during the upload?  I suspect most of my iPhone images are too big due to
> the 8Mpx camera.
>
> I did read an article on moving iPhoto libraries to either DB or GD.  Both
> were identical so apparently GD has the same functionality as DB.
>
>-- Owen
>
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time

[Ron Newman]

Aq looks great, esp. the retention of metadata (file dates).  If only it
supported Windows.


On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

> A bit OT but ... Hmm.. Just got thinking about about Amazon being used by
> Dropbox and their relative pricing.
>
> Amazon charges $.095/GB/Month for its storage.  That's $9.50/Mo or
> $114.00/Year for 100GB.
>  http://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/
>
> 100GB is the first tier of paid Dropbox which goes for $9.99/Mo or
> $99.00/year (17% discount).
>  https://www.dropbox.com/upgrade
>
> That's surprising: the same storage is actually cheaper on Dropbox!  Why?
> - Az only charges for what you actually use, while DB charges for the
> 100GB even tho you only use a fraction of it.  My guess is that for most
> folks (say 50% utility) Az is cheaper.
> - DB probably gets a volume discount but provides additional services for
> the user.
> - Arq is "just an app" but the same could be said for DB
>  http://www.haystacksoftware.com/arq/
>
> But then Google gets into the act: Google Drive costs less, only 
> $4.99/100GB/Mo.
>  That's considerably less, but then GD is new to the game and it isn't
> clear just how easily it is used. Possibly Arq, DB and others could offer
> their services on GD for less?
>
> But boy, this shows that there is considerable competition in the storage
> world!
>
>-- Owen
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>
>> Arq sounds great, thanks for the pointer.  Looks like a winner.
>>
>> Kinda interesting dropbox uses amazon too.
>>
>>-- Owen
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Barry MacKichan <
>> barry.mackic...@mackichan.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'll put in my two cents.
>>>
>>> All the files I care about are on a Mac, so I use Arq, which backs up to
>>> Amazon's S3 and Glacier services. There are two levels of S3 service which
>>> vary in their redundancy. The higher level (S3 standard storage) claims:
>>> Designed for 99.9% durability and 99.99% availability of objects
>>> over a given year.
>>> Designed to sustain the concurrent loss of data in two facilities.
>>>
>>> The price is now $.095 per gigabyte per month. I have watched it go down
>>> from $.15 to $.095, but it may not be going down as fast as hard drive
>>> prices.
>>>
>>> Amazon's Glacier storage is $.01 per gigabyte per month, but it has a
>>> time delay on recovery (about 4 hours, enough time for the gerbils to mount
>>> a tape). It can get expensive to move a lot of data in and out of Glacier,
>>> but it is fine for long time storage.
>>>
>>> So now I have my home folder tree on Time Machine and Amazon S3. I have
>>> a music and old data (carried forth from PC to PC since the late 80's) on
>>> Glacier, so for most of my data (but not bought applications) I have copies
>>> 1) on my Mac, 2) on my Time Machine, and 3) on S3 and Glacier offsite.
>>>
>>> The next problem is if (when) I have to reduce the amount of data on my
>>> Mac (when going to SSD, possibly) I will need a place for the data moved
>>> off my Mac and my Tiime Machine. I probably will go with a Drobo, which has
>>> a good bit of redundancy and which would require only a Glacier backup
>>> ($10.00 per terabyte per month) .
>>>
>>> I am putting some faith in Amazon, but their record is so far quite
>>> good, and a disk in a safety deposit box, at least in my case, would be
>>> updated rarely if at all.
>>>
>>> --Barry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 16, 2013, at 9:30 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>>>
>>> I figured out the google drive vs g+ plan.  It turns out they are
>>> integrated, a good thing I think.  I was concerned it was yet another half
>>> baked stunt but this seems pretty well managed.
>>>
>>>-- Owen
>>>
>>> torage plan pricing
>>>
>>> Learn about your options for purchasing more storage for Google Drive,
>>> Google+ Photos, and Gmail.
>>>
>>> Store up to 5 GB between Google Drive and Google+ Photos, then pay for
>>> additional storage as your account grows. Here's how it works:
>>>
>>>- Tap into your free storage as soon as you start using Google Drive
>>>and G+ Photos.
>>>- Purchase additional storage that can be shared across Google Drive
>>>and G+ Photos. When you purchase additional storage, your Gmail storage
>>>limit will automatically be increased to 25 GB.
>>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time

[Owen Densmore]

A bit OT but ... Hmm.. Just got thinking about about Amazon being used by
Dropbox and their relative pricing.

Amazon charges $.095/GB/Month for its storage.  That's $9.50/Mo or
$114.00/Year for 100GB.
 http://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/

100GB is the first tier of paid Dropbox which goes for $9.99/Mo or
$99.00/year (17% discount).
 https://www.dropbox.com/upgrade

That's surprising: the same storage is actually cheaper on Dropbox!  Why?
- Az only charges for what you actually use, while DB charges for the 100GB
even tho you only use a fraction of it.  My guess is that for most folks
(say 50% utility) Az is cheaper.
- DB probably gets a volume discount but provides additional services for
the user.
- Arq is "just an app" but the same could be said for DB
 http://www.haystacksoftware.com/arq/

But then Google gets into the act: Google Drive costs less, only
$4.99/100GB/Mo.
 That's considerably less, but then GD is new to the game and it isn't
clear just how easily it is used. Possibly Arq, DB and others could offer
their services on GD for less?

But boy, this shows that there is considerable competition in the storage
world!

   -- Owen


On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

> Arq sounds great, thanks for the pointer.  Looks like a winner.
>
> Kinda interesting dropbox uses amazon too.
>
>-- Owen
>
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Barry MacKichan <
> barry.mackic...@mackichan.com> wrote:
>
>> I'll put in my two cents.
>>
>> All the files I care about are on a Mac, so I use Arq, which backs up to
>> Amazon's S3 and Glacier services. There are two levels of S3 service which
>> vary in their redundancy. The higher level (S3 standard storage) claims:
>> Designed for 99.9% durability and 99.99% availability of objects
>> over a given year.
>> Designed to sustain the concurrent loss of data in two facilities.
>>
>> The price is now $.095 per gigabyte per month. I have watched it go down
>> from $.15 to $.095, but it may not be going down as fast as hard drive
>> prices.
>>
>> Amazon's Glacier storage is $.01 per gigabyte per month, but it has a
>> time delay on recovery (about 4 hours, enough time for the gerbils to mount
>> a tape). It can get expensive to move a lot of data in and out of Glacier,
>> but it is fine for long time storage.
>>
>> So now I have my home folder tree on Time Machine and Amazon S3. I have a
>> music and old data (carried forth from PC to PC since the late 80's) on
>> Glacier, so for most of my data (but not bought applications) I have copies
>> 1) on my Mac, 2) on my Time Machine, and 3) on S3 and Glacier offsite.
>>
>> The next problem is if (when) I have to reduce the amount of data on my
>> Mac (when going to SSD, possibly) I will need a place for the data moved
>> off my Mac and my Tiime Machine. I probably will go with a Drobo, which has
>> a good bit of redundancy and which would require only a Glacier backup
>> ($10.00 per terabyte per month) .
>>
>> I am putting some faith in Amazon, but their record is so far quite good,
>> and a disk in a safety deposit box, at least in my case, would be updated
>> rarely if at all.
>>
>> --Barry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2013, at 9:30 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>>
>> I figured out the google drive vs g+ plan.  It turns out they are
>> integrated, a good thing I think.  I was concerned it was yet another half
>> baked stunt but this seems pretty well managed.
>>
>>-- Owen
>>
>> torage plan pricing
>>
>> Learn about your options for purchasing more storage for Google Drive,
>> Google+ Photos, and Gmail.
>>
>> Store up to 5 GB between Google Drive and Google+ Photos, then pay for
>> additional storage as your account grows. Here's how it works:
>>
>>- Tap into your free storage as soon as you start using Google Drive
>>and G+ Photos.
>>- Purchase additional storage that can be shared across Google Drive
>>and G+ Photos. When you purchase additional storage, your Gmail storage
>>limit will automatically be increased to 25 GB.
>>
>>  
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Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time

[Owen Densmore]

Arq sounds great, thanks for the pointer.  Looks like a winner.

Kinda interesting dropbox uses amazon too.

   -- Owen

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Barry MacKichan <
barry.mackic...@mackichan.com> wrote:

> I'll put in my two cents.
>
> All the files I care about are on a Mac, so I use Arq, which backs up to
> Amazon's S3 and Glacier services. There are two levels of S3 service which
> vary in their redundancy. The higher level (S3 standard storage) claims:
> Designed for 99.9% durability and 99.99% availability of objects
> over a given year.
> Designed to sustain the concurrent loss of data in two facilities.
>
> The price is now $.095 per gigabyte per month. I have watched it go down
> from $.15 to $.095, but it may not be going down as fast as hard drive
> prices.
>
> Amazon's Glacier storage is $.01 per gigabyte per month, but it has a time
> delay on recovery (about 4 hours, enough time for the gerbils to mount a
> tape). It can get expensive to move a lot of data in and out of Glacier,
> but it is fine for long time storage.
>
> So now I have my home folder tree on Time Machine and Amazon S3. I have a
> music and old data (carried forth from PC to PC since the late 80's) on
> Glacier, so for most of my data (but not bought applications) I have copies
> 1) on my Mac, 2) on my Time Machine, and 3) on S3 and Glacier offsite.
>
> The next problem is if (when) I have to reduce the amount of data on my
> Mac (when going to SSD, possibly) I will need a place for the data moved
> off my Mac and my Tiime Machine. I probably will go with a Drobo, which has
> a good bit of redundancy and which would require only a Glacier backup
> ($10.00 per terabyte per month) .
>
> I am putting some faith in Amazon, but their record is so far quite good,
> and a disk in a safety deposit box, at least in my case, would be updated
> rarely if at all.
>
> --Barry
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2013, at 9:30 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>
> I figured out the google drive vs g+ plan.  It turns out they are
> integrated, a good thing I think.  I was concerned it was yet another half
> baked stunt but this seems pretty well managed.
>
>-- Owen
>
> torage plan pricing
>
> Learn about your options for purchasing more storage for Google Drive,
> Google+ Photos, and Gmail.
>
> Store up to 5 GB between Google Drive and Google+ Photos, then pay for
> additional storage as your account grows. Here's how it works:
>
>- Tap into your free storage as soon as you start using Google Drive
>and G+ Photos.
>- Purchase additional storage that can be shared across Google Drive
>and G+ Photos. When you purchase additional storage, your Gmail storage
>limit will automatically be increased to 25 GB.
>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time

[Barry MacKichan]

I'll put in my two cents.

All the files I care about are on a Mac, so I use Arq, which backs up to 
Amazon's S3 and Glacier services. There are two levels of S3 service which vary 
in their redundancy. The higher level (S3 standard storage) claims:
Designed for 99.9% durability and 99.99% availability of objects over a 
given year.
Designed to sustain the concurrent loss of data in two facilities.

The price is now $.095 per gigabyte per month. I have watched it go down from 
$.15 to $.095, but it may not be going down as fast as hard drive prices.

Amazon's Glacier storage is $.01 per gigabyte per month, but it has a time 
delay on recovery (about 4 hours, enough time for the gerbils to mount a tape). 
It can get expensive to move a lot of data in and out of Glacier, but it is 
fine for long time storage.

So now I have my home folder tree on Time Machine and Amazon S3. I have a music 
and old data (carried forth from PC to PC since the late 80's) on Glacier, so 
for most of my data (but not bought applications) I have copies 1) on my Mac, 
2) on my Time Machine, and 3) on S3 and Glacier offsite.

The next problem is if (when) I have to reduce the amount of data on my Mac 
(when going to SSD, possibly) I will need a place for the data moved off my Mac 
and my Tiime Machine. I probably will go with a Drobo, which has a good bit of 
redundancy and which would require only a Glacier backup ($10.00 per terabyte 
per month) .

I am putting some faith in Amazon, but their record is so far quite good, and a 
disk in a safety deposit box, at least in my case, would be updated rarely if 
at all.

--Barry




On Jan 16, 2013, at 9:30 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:

> I figured out the google drive vs g+ plan.  It turns out they are integrated, 
> a good thing I think.  I was concerned it was yet another half baked stunt 
> but this seems pretty well managed.
> 
>-- Owen
> 
> torage plan pricing
> Learn about your options for purchasing more storage for Google Drive, 
> Google+ Photos, and Gmail.
> 
> Store up to 5 GB between Google Drive and Google+ Photos, then pay for 
> additional storage as your account grows. Here's how it works:
> 
> Tap into your free storage as soon as you start using Google Drive and G+ 
> Photos.
> Purchase additional storage that can be shared across Google Drive and G+ 
> Photos. When you purchase additional storage, your Gmail storage limit will 
> automatically be increased to 25 GB.
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time

[Owen Densmore]

I figured out the google drive vs g+ plan.  It turns out they are
integrated, a good thing I think.  I was concerned it was yet another half
baked stunt but this seems pretty well managed.

   -- Owen

torage plan pricing

Learn about your options for purchasing more storage for Google Drive,
Google+ Photos, and Gmail.

Store up to 5 GB between Google Drive and Google+ Photos, then pay for
additional storage as your account grows. Here's how it works:

   - Tap into your free storage as soon as you start using Google Drive
   and G+ Photos.
   - Purchase additional storage that can be shared across Google Drive and
   G+ Photos. When you purchase additional storage, your Gmail storage limit
   will automatically be increased to 25 GB.

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Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time

[Owen Densmore]

Good info, thanks.  Yeah, I'm starting to get serious about paying Dropbox
or one of the others.

One downside of the more automatic systems (I think) is that you don't get
a shell that you can run backup scripts on.  Why would I want to backup
Dropbox?  Well, the speed of the backbone network is really fast, so
nightly mirroring your system onto AZ for example is fast, and their
storage is quite cheap.

I've also started thinking more seriously about RAID .. basically redundant
mirrored disks.  Drobo was the first to offer consumer systems.  Synology
has also appeared on the scene at some pretty reasonable price points.
 Pogue has an article or two on these.

So after a bit of research, I decided on a 2TB pair of 3.5" disks in a
Synology enclosure.  It can be run as an attached system or a NAS .. I'll
do the latter most likely.

The main advantage is that if one of the disks go, you have another which
hopefully you can depend on until you get a replacement for the one down
disk.  I chose the so-called "red" or "server grade" disks which I hope
will last a couple of years .. by then SSD's will have taken over and I
believe they can be made even more robust and a hell of a lot faster.

   -- Owen

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Tom Johnson  wrote:

> Owen:
>
> I use to varying degree most of the services; I'm always testing them
> because I often talk about storage alternatives in workshops.  Dropbox is
> easy to use, but be sure to pay the extra $30 or $40 to get its back up
> service.  I've found that if I share a folder with someone, and at some
> point he/she deletes the files  or folders from their local HD, then it
> also is deleted from the Dropbox folder in the Cloud.  So far, I've been
> able to go in and restore all the folders and files, but that seems to be a
> shortcoming.
>
> I also like SugarSync, Gladinet and use the MS product(s).  That's plural
> because MS can't seem to decided what to call it's products:  Is it
> "LiveDrive" or is it "Mesh" or "SkyDrive."  Most confusing.
>
> I also have external USB hard drives.
>
> -tom
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Joseph Spinden  wrote:
>
>>  My "solution" is external hard drives:
>> 1. one-time purchase cost
>> 2. relatively inexpensive
>> 3. not dependent upon the cloud servers.  I am not willing to chance a
>> 1-in-a-100-years failure..
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/15/13 9:14 AM, Mark Suazo wrote:
>>
>> I'd like to find a "cloud" service for images - problem is, I'd got
>> approximately 300GB of images going back to 2001. Some duplication, but
>> mostly lots of RAW files. Dropbox wants $500/year. I need a more affordable
>> solution  Any ideas?
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Arlo Barnes wrote:
>>
>>> I got Dropbox mainly for collaboration (sharing datasets and R files),
>>> and now I use it as the central storage location for all my photos - they
>>> go straight from the card (which is then cleared to make room) to Dropbox
>>> through it's automatic transfer function. I have had no problems, although
>>> the occasional horror story of individual files being lost without a trace
>>> has prompted me to start uploading them to a photoblog.
>>> I use Chrome sync[h] but because the computers I use are generally
>>> somewhat slow (especially with the number of tabs I am in the habit of
>>> opening) I don't often use the extensions that are synchronized. I am not
>>> impressed with the bookmark sync[h], as old folders that have been deleted
>>> on one computer are often restored from another. Then again, I have
>>> somewhat given up hope on keeping track of things I want to investigate
>>> with bookmarks anyway, as I create just too many. To-do lists have
>>> supplanted them for the most part; I still use Chrome's "save this window
>>> as a folder-full of bookmarks" function to save a browsing/work session for
>>> a time when my computer is less bogged down.
>>> For the most part, though, I have been trying to eliminate the need for
>>> backups altogether. As a student with not much budget for purchasing
>>> memory, and one that uses temporarily loaned computers and ones that break
>>> after only a year or two of use, I find it much easier to use online
>>> services for most program and data storage - using Google Docs rather than
>>> Word or Open Office, for instance. It makes collaboration and sharing a lot
>>> easier, too - I can worry less about file formats. To pick another example,
>>> instead of using iTunes or WinAmp or VLC (although I also have the latter
>>> for miscellaneous purposes) with a music library I use Grooveshark.
>>> There are still many things that need to be offline due to the paucity
>>> of Internet access in my house and sometimes at school, but many things can
>>> just be re-found - it is easier for me to re-download my ebooks, and
>>> various programs (Pidgin, GIMP, Inkscape, Notepad++, Chrome of course, a
>>> tuner program, and others including those mentioned above [Dropbox and
>>> VLC]) than to find and 

Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time

[Joseph Spinden]

3 copies of everything.  at least 1 in a safety deposit box.  also, i 
expect I will have to upgrade the hard drives at some point as the 
technology changes.


- Joe


On 1/15/13 10:25 AM, Joshua Thorp wrote:
Yeah I agree with this,  but hard drives do fail so data should be on 
multiple drives and should also be located in more than one location 
so a fire or theft doesn't lead to losing everything.


Not that I follow this in practice but in theory...

--joshua

On Jan 15, 2013, at 10:10 AM, Joseph Spinden wrote:


My "solution" is external hard drives:
1. one-time purchase cost
2. relatively inexpensive
3. not dependent upon the cloud servers.  I am not willing to chance 
a 1-in-a-100-years failure..


Joe


On 1/15/13 9:14 AM, Mark Suazo wrote:
I'd like to find a "cloud" service for images - problem is, I'd got 
approximately 300GB of images going back to 2001. Some duplication, 
but mostly lots of RAW files. Dropbox wants $500/year. I need a more 
affordable solution  Any ideas?


On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Arlo Barnes > wrote:


I got Dropbox mainly for collaboration (sharing datasets and R
files), and now I use it as the central storage location for all
my photos - they go straight from the card (which is then
cleared to make room) to Dropbox through it's automatic transfer
function. I have had no problems, although the occasional horror
story of individual files being lost without a trace has
prompted me to start uploading them to a photoblog.
I use Chrome sync[h] but because the computers I use are
generally somewhat slow (especially with the number of tabs I am
in the habit of opening) I don't often use the extensions that
are synchronized. I am not impressed with the bookmark sync[h],
as old folders that have been deleted on one computer are often
restored from another. Then again, I have somewhat given up hope
on keeping track of things I want to investigate with bookmarks
anyway, as I create just too many. To-do lists have supplanted
them for the most part; I still use Chrome's "save this window
as a folder-full of bookmarks" function to save a browsing/work
session for a time when my computer is less bogged down.
For the most part, though, I have been trying to eliminate the
need for backups altogether. As a student with not much budget
for purchasing memory, and one that uses temporarily loaned
computers and ones that break after only a year or two of use, I
find it much easier to use online services for most program and
data storage - using Google Docs rather than Word or Open
Office, for instance. It makes collaboration and sharing a lot
easier, too - I can worry less about file formats. To pick
another example, instead of using iTunes or WinAmp or VLC
(although I also have the latter for miscellaneous purposes)
with a music library I use Grooveshark.
There are still many things that need to be offline due to the
paucity of Internet access in my house and sometimes at school,
but many things can just be re-found - it is easier for me to
re-download my ebooks, and various programs (Pidgin, GIMP,
Inkscape, Notepad++, Chrome of course, a tuner program, and
others including those mentioned above [Dropbox and VLC]) than
to find and transfer them on a jumpdrive or such. However, I
noticed I have also taken increasingly to putting all my files
in one place - a folder on the desktop - rather than using My
Documents. I even run programs that do not need to alter the
registry and therefore self-install, such as tkMOO, from the
desktop. With all this centrally located it is easier to pick up
and move shop should I need to.
And now I have a website I can put stuff I don't mind being
public in one place, too.

This all might be oblique to your question since I am not using
the pay Dropbox, or Dropbox in a big way at all.

-Arlo James Barnes


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Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time

[Tom Johnson]

Owen:

I use to varying degree most of the services; I'm always testing them
because I often talk about storage alternatives in workshops.  Dropbox is
easy to use, but be sure to pay the extra $30 or $40 to get its back up
service.  I've found that if I share a folder with someone, and at some
point he/she deletes the files  or folders from their local HD, then it
also is deleted from the Dropbox folder in the Cloud.  So far, I've been
able to go in and restore all the folders and files, but that seems to be a
shortcoming.

I also like SugarSync, Gladinet and use the MS product(s).  That's plural
because MS can't seem to decided what to call it's products:  Is it
"LiveDrive" or is it "Mesh" or "SkyDrive."  Most confusing.

I also have external USB hard drives.

-tom

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Joseph Spinden  wrote:

>  My "solution" is external hard drives:
> 1. one-time purchase cost
> 2. relatively inexpensive
> 3. not dependent upon the cloud servers.  I am not willing to chance a
> 1-in-a-100-years failure..
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> On 1/15/13 9:14 AM, Mark Suazo wrote:
>
> I'd like to find a "cloud" service for images - problem is, I'd got
> approximately 300GB of images going back to 2001. Some duplication, but
> mostly lots of RAW files. Dropbox wants $500/year. I need a more affordable
> solution  Any ideas?
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Arlo Barnes wrote:
>
>> I got Dropbox mainly for collaboration (sharing datasets and R files),
>> and now I use it as the central storage location for all my photos - they
>> go straight from the card (which is then cleared to make room) to Dropbox
>> through it's automatic transfer function. I have had no problems, although
>> the occasional horror story of individual files being lost without a trace
>> has prompted me to start uploading them to a photoblog.
>> I use Chrome sync[h] but because the computers I use are generally
>> somewhat slow (especially with the number of tabs I am in the habit of
>> opening) I don't often use the extensions that are synchronized. I am not
>> impressed with the bookmark sync[h], as old folders that have been deleted
>> on one computer are often restored from another. Then again, I have
>> somewhat given up hope on keeping track of things I want to investigate
>> with bookmarks anyway, as I create just too many. To-do lists have
>> supplanted them for the most part; I still use Chrome's "save this window
>> as a folder-full of bookmarks" function to save a browsing/work session for
>> a time when my computer is less bogged down.
>> For the most part, though, I have been trying to eliminate the need for
>> backups altogether. As a student with not much budget for purchasing
>> memory, and one that uses temporarily loaned computers and ones that break
>> after only a year or two of use, I find it much easier to use online
>> services for most program and data storage - using Google Docs rather than
>> Word or Open Office, for instance. It makes collaboration and sharing a lot
>> easier, too - I can worry less about file formats. To pick another example,
>> instead of using iTunes or WinAmp or VLC (although I also have the latter
>> for miscellaneous purposes) with a music library I use Grooveshark.
>> There are still many things that need to be offline due to the paucity of
>> Internet access in my house and sometimes at school, but many things can
>> just be re-found - it is easier for me to re-download my ebooks, and
>> various programs (Pidgin, GIMP, Inkscape, Notepad++, Chrome of course, a
>> tuner program, and others including those mentioned above [Dropbox and
>> VLC]) than to find and transfer them on a jumpdrive or such. However, I
>> noticed I have also taken increasingly to putting all my files in one place
>> - a folder on the desktop - rather than using My Documents. I even run
>> programs that do not need to alter the registry and therefore self-install,
>> such as tkMOO, from the desktop. With all this centrally located it is
>> easier to pick up and move shop should I need to.
>> And now I have a website I can put stuff I don't mind being public in one
>> place, too.
>>
>> This all might be oblique to your question since I am not using the pay
>> Dropbox, or Dropbox in a big way at all.
>>
>>  -Arlo James Barnes
>>
>> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time

[Douglas Roberts]

I used to keep backups of my backups.  Now I just keep backups. Cheap 3 TB
usb drive + nightly rsync.

--Doug


On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Joshua Thorp  wrote:

> Yeah I agree with this,  but hard drives do fail so data should be on
> multiple drives and should also be located in more than one location so a
> fire or theft doesn't lead to losing everything.
>
> Not that I follow this in practice but in theory…
>
> --joshua
>
> On Jan 15, 2013, at 10:10 AM, Joseph Spinden wrote:
>
>  My "solution" is external hard drives:
> 1. one-time purchase cost
> 2. relatively inexpensive
> 3. not dependent upon the cloud servers.  I am not willing to chance a
> 1-in-a-100-years failure..
>
> Joe
>
>
> On 1/15/13 9:14 AM, Mark Suazo wrote:
>
> I'd like to find a "cloud" service for images - problem is, I'd got
> approximately 300GB of images going back to 2001. Some duplication, but
> mostly lots of RAW files. Dropbox wants $500/year. I need a more affordable
> solution  Any ideas?
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Arlo Barnes wrote:
>
>> I got Dropbox mainly for collaboration (sharing datasets and R files),
>> and now I use it as the central storage location for all my photos - they
>> go straight from the card (which is then cleared to make room) to Dropbox
>> through it's automatic transfer function. I have had no problems, although
>> the occasional horror story of individual files being lost without a trace
>> has prompted me to start uploading them to a photoblog.
>> I use Chrome sync[h] but because the computers I use are generally
>> somewhat slow (especially with the number of tabs I am in the habit of
>> opening) I don't often use the extensions that are synchronized. I am not
>> impressed with the bookmark sync[h], as old folders that have been deleted
>> on one computer are often restored from another. Then again, I have
>> somewhat given up hope on keeping track of things I want to investigate
>> with bookmarks anyway, as I create just too many. To-do lists have
>> supplanted them for the most part; I still use Chrome's "save this window
>> as a folder-full of bookmarks" function to save a browsing/work session for
>> a time when my computer is less bogged down.
>> For the most part, though, I have been trying to eliminate the need for
>> backups altogether. As a student with not much budget for purchasing
>> memory, and one that uses temporarily loaned computers and ones that break
>> after only a year or two of use, I find it much easier to use online
>> services for most program and data storage - using Google Docs rather than
>> Word or Open Office, for instance. It makes collaboration and sharing a lot
>> easier, too - I can worry less about file formats. To pick another example,
>> instead of using iTunes or WinAmp or VLC (although I also have the latter
>> for miscellaneous purposes) with a music library I use Grooveshark.
>> There are still many things that need to be offline due to the paucity of
>> Internet access in my house and sometimes at school, but many things can
>> just be re-found - it is easier for me to re-download my ebooks, and
>> various programs (Pidgin, GIMP, Inkscape, Notepad++, Chrome of course, a
>> tuner program, and others including those mentioned above [Dropbox and
>> VLC]) than to find and transfer them on a jumpdrive or such. However, I
>> noticed I have also taken increasingly to putting all my files in one place
>> - a folder on the desktop - rather than using My Documents. I even run
>> programs that do not need to alter the registry and therefore self-install,
>> such as tkMOO, from the desktop. With all this centrally located it is
>> easier to pick up and move shop should I need to.
>> And now I have a website I can put stuff I don't mind being public in one
>> place, too.
>>
>> This all might be oblique to your question since I am not using the pay
>> Dropbox, or Dropbox in a big way at all.
>>
>>  -Arlo James Barnes
>>
>> 
>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
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Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time

[Joshua Thorp]

Yeah I agree with this,  but hard drives do fail so data should be on multiple 
drives and should also be located in more than one location so a fire or theft 
doesn't lead to losing everything.

Not that I follow this in practice but in theory…

--joshua

On Jan 15, 2013, at 10:10 AM, Joseph Spinden wrote:

> My "solution" is external hard drives:
> 1. one-time purchase cost
> 2. relatively inexpensive
> 3. not dependent upon the cloud servers.  I am not willing to chance a 
> 1-in-a-100-years failure..
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> On 1/15/13 9:14 AM, Mark Suazo wrote:
>> I'd like to find a "cloud" service for images - problem is, I'd got 
>> approximately 300GB of images going back to 2001. Some duplication, but 
>> mostly lots of RAW files. Dropbox wants $500/year. I need a more affordable 
>> solution  Any ideas?
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Arlo Barnes  wrote:
>> I got Dropbox mainly for collaboration (sharing datasets and R files), and 
>> now I use it as the central storage location for all my photos - they go 
>> straight from the card (which is then cleared to make room) to Dropbox 
>> through it's automatic transfer function. I have had no problems, although 
>> the occasional horror story of individual files being lost without a trace 
>> has prompted me to start uploading them to a photoblog.
>> I use Chrome sync[h] but because the computers I use are generally somewhat 
>> slow (especially with the number of tabs I am in the habit of opening) I 
>> don't often use the extensions that are synchronized. I am not impressed 
>> with the bookmark sync[h], as old folders that have been deleted on one 
>> computer are often restored from another. Then again, I have somewhat given 
>> up hope on keeping track of things I want to investigate with bookmarks 
>> anyway, as I create just too many. To-do lists have supplanted them for the 
>> most part; I still use Chrome's "save this window as a folder-full of 
>> bookmarks" function to save a browsing/work session for a time when my 
>> computer is less bogged down.
>> For the most part, though, I have been trying to eliminate the need for 
>> backups altogether. As a student with not much budget for purchasing memory, 
>> and one that uses temporarily loaned computers and ones that break after 
>> only a year or two of use, I find it much easier to use online services for 
>> most program and data storage - using Google Docs rather than Word or Open 
>> Office, for instance. It makes collaboration and sharing a lot easier, too - 
>> I can worry less about file formats. To pick another example, instead of 
>> using iTunes or WinAmp or VLC (although I also have the latter for 
>> miscellaneous purposes) with a music library I use Grooveshark.
>> There are still many things that need to be offline due to the paucity of 
>> Internet access in my house and sometimes at school, but many things can 
>> just be re-found - it is easier for me to re-download my ebooks, and various 
>> programs (Pidgin, GIMP, Inkscape, Notepad++, Chrome of course, a tuner 
>> program, and others including those mentioned above [Dropbox and VLC]) than 
>> to find and transfer them on a jumpdrive or such. However, I noticed I have 
>> also taken increasingly to putting all my files in one place - a folder on 
>> the desktop - rather than using My Documents. I even run programs that do 
>> not need to alter the registry and therefore self-install, such as tkMOO, 
>> from the desktop. With all this centrally located it is easier to pick up 
>> and move shop should I need to.
>> And now I have a website I can put stuff I don't mind being public in one 
>> place, too.
>> 
>> This all might be oblique to your question since I am not using the pay 
>> Dropbox, or Dropbox in a big way at all.
>> 
>> -Arlo James Barnes
>> 
>> 
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>> in the rain. 
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Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time

[Joseph Spinden]

My "solution" is external hard drives:
1. one-time purchase cost
2. relatively inexpensive
3. not dependent upon the cloud servers.  I am not willing to chance a 
1-in-a-100-years failure..


Joe


On 1/15/13 9:14 AM, Mark Suazo wrote:
I'd like to find a "cloud" service for images - problem is, I'd got 
approximately 300GB of images going back to 2001. Some duplication, 
but mostly lots of RAW files. Dropbox wants $500/year. I need a more 
affordable solution  Any ideas?


On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Arlo Barnes > wrote:


I got Dropbox mainly for collaboration (sharing datasets and R
files), and now I use it as the central storage location for all
my photos - they go straight from the card (which is then cleared
to make room) to Dropbox through it's automatic transfer function.
I have had no problems, although the occasional horror story of
individual files being lost without a trace has prompted me to
start uploading them to a photoblog.
I use Chrome sync[h] but because the computers I use are generally
somewhat slow (especially with the number of tabs I am in the
habit of opening) I don't often use the extensions that are
synchronized. I am not impressed with the bookmark sync[h], as old
folders that have been deleted on one computer are often restored
from another. Then again, I have somewhat given up hope on keeping
track of things I want to investigate with bookmarks anyway, as I
create just too many. To-do lists have supplanted them for the
most part; I still use Chrome's "save this window as a folder-full
of bookmarks" function to save a browsing/work session for a time
when my computer is less bogged down.
For the most part, though, I have been trying to eliminate the
need for backups altogether. As a student with not much budget for
purchasing memory, and one that uses temporarily loaned computers
and ones that break after only a year or two of use, I find it
much easier to use online services for most program and data
storage - using Google Docs rather than Word or Open Office, for
instance. It makes collaboration and sharing a lot easier, too - I
can worry less about file formats. To pick another example,
instead of using iTunes or WinAmp or VLC (although I also have the
latter for miscellaneous purposes) with a music library I use
Grooveshark.
There are still many things that need to be offline due to the
paucity of Internet access in my house and sometimes at school,
but many things can just be re-found - it is easier for me to
re-download my ebooks, and various programs (Pidgin, GIMP,
Inkscape, Notepad++, Chrome of course, a tuner program, and others
including those mentioned above [Dropbox and VLC]) than to find
and transfer them on a jumpdrive or such. However, I noticed I
have also taken increasingly to putting all my files in one place
- a folder on the desktop - rather than using My Documents. I even
run programs that do not need to alter the registry and therefore
self-install, such as tkMOO, from the desktop. With all this
centrally located it is easier to pick up and move shop should I
need to.
And now I have a website I can put stuff I don't mind being public
in one place, too.

This all might be oblique to your question since I am not using
the pay Dropbox, or Dropbox in a big way at all.

-Arlo James Barnes


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Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time

[Joshua Thorp]

I would say 300GB still seems to be a lot of data for the cloud.  S3 quotes 
28.50 a month just for the storage with ~5 bucks a month if you do around 50GB 
up and 50 GB down per month which is probably actually more than you are likely 
to be doing.

Their glacier product which does not have the same access but could serve for 
backup costs $3/month for that + 5 bucks a month for 50 GB up and 50 GB down.

I sort of expect s3 to be the best option as many of these other services are 
built on top of them.  There are a bunch of projects out there that turn s3 
into a cloud storage tool, some free though you are obviously paying s3 for the 
data you store/transfer.

--joshua

On Jan 15, 2013, at 9:14 AM, Mark Suazo wrote:

> I'd like to find a "cloud" service for images - problem is, I'd got 
> approximately 300GB of images going back to 2001. Some duplication, but 
> mostly lots of RAW files. Dropbox wants $500/year. I need a more affordable 
> solution  Any ideas?
> 
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Arlo Barnes  wrote:
> I got Dropbox mainly for collaboration (sharing datasets and R files), and 
> now I use it as the central storage location for all my photos - they go 
> straight from the card (which is then cleared to make room) to Dropbox 
> through it's automatic transfer function. I have had no problems, although 
> the occasional horror story of individual files being lost without a trace 
> has prompted me to start uploading them to a photoblog.
> I use Chrome sync[h] but because the computers I use are generally somewhat 
> slow (especially with the number of tabs I am in the habit of opening) I 
> don't often use the extensions that are synchronized. I am not impressed with 
> the bookmark sync[h], as old folders that have been deleted on one computer 
> are often restored from another. Then again, I have somewhat given up hope on 
> keeping track of things I want to investigate with bookmarks anyway, as I 
> create just too many. To-do lists have supplanted them for the most part; I 
> still use Chrome's "save this window as a folder-full of bookmarks" function 
> to save a browsing/work session for a time when my computer is less bogged 
> down.
> For the most part, though, I have been trying to eliminate the need for 
> backups altogether. As a student with not much budget for purchasing memory, 
> and one that uses temporarily loaned computers and ones that break after only 
> a year or two of use, I find it much easier to use online services for most 
> program and data storage - using Google Docs rather than Word or Open Office, 
> for instance. It makes collaboration and sharing a lot easier, too - I can 
> worry less about file formats. To pick another example, instead of using 
> iTunes or WinAmp or VLC (although I also have the latter for miscellaneous 
> purposes) with a music library I use Grooveshark.
> There are still many things that need to be offline due to the paucity of 
> Internet access in my house and sometimes at school, but many things can just 
> be re-found - it is easier for me to re-download my ebooks, and various 
> programs (Pidgin, GIMP, Inkscape, Notepad++, Chrome of course, a tuner 
> program, and others including those mentioned above [Dropbox and VLC]) than 
> to find and transfer them on a jumpdrive or such. However, I noticed I have 
> also taken increasingly to putting all my files in one place - a folder on 
> the desktop - rather than using My Documents. I even run programs that do not 
> need to alter the registry and therefore self-install, such as tkMOO, from 
> the desktop. With all this centrally located it is easier to pick up and move 
> shop should I need to.
> And now I have a website I can put stuff I don't mind being public in one 
> place, too.
> 
> This all might be oblique to your question since I am not using the pay 
> Dropbox, or Dropbox in a big way at all.
> 
> -Arlo James Barnes
> 
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time

[Owen Densmore]

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> Google+ has free unlimited storage of images but only at 2048 px. You can
> pay for >5GB of images at greater resolution. Android g+ has an automatic
> picture upload feature.
>
> --Doug
>

While looking into dropbox alternatives, I looked into Google Drive .. but
hadn't heard about G+ for images.  Some of the commentary on Google
services was that they somehow "use" the data you keep with them ..
possibly for face recognition searching and so on.

Couple of questions:

- How well is Google Drive working for folks?  It apparently is great for
android but some said "still in beta" so to speak.  It seems to have
integrated with Google Docs .. so that might make it great for all
"documentation" backup.

- Is G+ photo storage public?  Separate from GD? Photo sharing may be the
mention of Google use of user data.  Does it do the conversion to 2Mpx
during the upload?  I suspect most of my iPhone images are too big due to
the 8Mpx camera.

I did read an article on moving iPhoto libraries to either DB or GD.  Both
were identical so apparently GD has the same functionality as DB.

   -- Owen

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Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time

[Douglas Roberts]

Google+ has free unlimited storage of images but only at 2048 px. You can
pay for >5GB of images at greater resolution. Android g+ has an automatic
picture upload feature.

--Doug


On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Mark Suazo  wrote:

> I'd like to find a "cloud" service for images - problem is, I'd got
> approximately 300GB of images going back to 2001. Some duplication, but
> mostly lots of RAW files. Dropbox wants $500/year. I need a more affordable
> solution  Any ideas?
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Arlo Barnes wrote:
>
>> I got Dropbox mainly for collaboration (sharing datasets and R files),
>> and now I use it as the central storage location for all my photos - they
>> go straight from the card (which is then cleared to make room) to Dropbox
>> through it's automatic transfer function. I have had no problems, although
>> the occasional horror story of individual files being lost without a trace
>> has prompted me to start uploading them to a photoblog.
>> I use Chrome sync[h] but because the computers I use are generally
>> somewhat slow (especially with the number of tabs I am in the habit of
>> opening) I don't often use the extensions that are synchronized. I am not
>> impressed with the bookmark sync[h], as old folders that have been deleted
>> on one computer are often restored from another. Then again, I have
>> somewhat given up hope on keeping track of things I want to investigate
>> with bookmarks anyway, as I create just too many. To-do lists have
>> supplanted them for the most part; I still use Chrome's "save this window
>> as a folder-full of bookmarks" function to save a browsing/work session for
>> a time when my computer is less bogged down.
>> For the most part, though, I have been trying to eliminate the need for
>> backups altogether. As a student with not much budget for purchasing
>> memory, and one that uses temporarily loaned computers and ones that break
>> after only a year or two of use, I find it much easier to use online
>> services for most program and data storage - using Google Docs rather than
>> Word or Open Office, for instance. It makes collaboration and sharing a lot
>> easier, too - I can worry less about file formats. To pick another example,
>> instead of using iTunes or WinAmp or VLC (although I also have the latter
>> for miscellaneous purposes) with a music library I use Grooveshark.
>> There are still many things that need to be offline due to the paucity of
>> Internet access in my house and sometimes at school, but many things can
>> just be re-found - it is easier for me to re-download my ebooks, and
>> various programs (Pidgin, GIMP, Inkscape, Notepad++, Chrome of course, a
>> tuner program, and others including those mentioned above [Dropbox and
>> VLC]) than to find and transfer them on a jumpdrive or such. However, I
>> noticed I have also taken increasingly to putting all my files in one place
>> - a folder on the desktop - rather than using My Documents. I even run
>> programs that do not need to alter the registry and therefore self-install,
>> such as tkMOO, from the desktop. With all this centrally located it is
>> easier to pick up and move shop should I need to.
>> And now I have a website I can put stuff I don't mind being public in one
>> place, too.
>>
>> This all might be oblique to your question since I am not using the pay
>> Dropbox, or Dropbox in a big way at all.
>>
>> -Arlo James Barnes
>>
>> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time

[Mark Suazo]

I'd like to find a "cloud" service for images - problem is, I'd got
approximately 300GB of images going back to 2001. Some duplication, but
mostly lots of RAW files. Dropbox wants $500/year. I need a more affordable
solution  Any ideas?

On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Arlo Barnes  wrote:

> I got Dropbox mainly for collaboration (sharing datasets and R files), and
> now I use it as the central storage location for all my photos - they go
> straight from the card (which is then cleared to make room) to Dropbox
> through it's automatic transfer function. I have had no problems, although
> the occasional horror story of individual files being lost without a trace
> has prompted me to start uploading them to a photoblog.
> I use Chrome sync[h] but because the computers I use are generally
> somewhat slow (especially with the number of tabs I am in the habit of
> opening) I don't often use the extensions that are synchronized. I am not
> impressed with the bookmark sync[h], as old folders that have been deleted
> on one computer are often restored from another. Then again, I have
> somewhat given up hope on keeping track of things I want to investigate
> with bookmarks anyway, as I create just too many. To-do lists have
> supplanted them for the most part; I still use Chrome's "save this window
> as a folder-full of bookmarks" function to save a browsing/work session for
> a time when my computer is less bogged down.
> For the most part, though, I have been trying to eliminate the need for
> backups altogether. As a student with not much budget for purchasing
> memory, and one that uses temporarily loaned computers and ones that break
> after only a year or two of use, I find it much easier to use online
> services for most program and data storage - using Google Docs rather than
> Word or Open Office, for instance. It makes collaboration and sharing a lot
> easier, too - I can worry less about file formats. To pick another example,
> instead of using iTunes or WinAmp or VLC (although I also have the latter
> for miscellaneous purposes) with a music library I use Grooveshark.
> There are still many things that need to be offline due to the paucity of
> Internet access in my house and sometimes at school, but many things can
> just be re-found - it is easier for me to re-download my ebooks, and
> various programs (Pidgin, GIMP, Inkscape, Notepad++, Chrome of course, a
> tuner program, and others including those mentioned above [Dropbox and
> VLC]) than to find and transfer them on a jumpdrive or such. However, I
> noticed I have also taken increasingly to putting all my files in one place
> - a folder on the desktop - rather than using My Documents. I even run
> programs that do not need to alter the registry and therefore self-install,
> such as tkMOO, from the desktop. With all this centrally located it is
> easier to pick up and move shop should I need to.
> And now I have a website I can put stuff I don't mind being public in one
> place, too.
>
> This all might be oblique to your question since I am not using the pay
> Dropbox, or Dropbox in a big way at all.
>
> -Arlo James Barnes
>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time

[Arlo Barnes]

I got Dropbox mainly for collaboration (sharing datasets and R files), and
now I use it as the central storage location for all my photos - they go
straight from the card (which is then cleared to make room) to Dropbox
through it's automatic transfer function. I have had no problems, although
the occasional horror story of individual files being lost without a trace
has prompted me to start uploading them to a photoblog.
I use Chrome sync[h] but because the computers I use are generally somewhat
slow (especially with the number of tabs I am in the habit of opening) I
don't often use the extensions that are synchronized. I am not impressed
with the bookmark sync[h], as old folders that have been deleted on one
computer are often restored from another. Then again, I have somewhat given
up hope on keeping track of things I want to investigate with bookmarks
anyway, as I create just too many. To-do lists have supplanted them for the
most part; I still use Chrome's "save this window as a folder-full of
bookmarks" function to save a browsing/work session for a time when my
computer is less bogged down.
For the most part, though, I have been trying to eliminate the need for
backups altogether. As a student with not much budget for purchasing
memory, and one that uses temporarily loaned computers and ones that break
after only a year or two of use, I find it much easier to use online
services for most program and data storage - using Google Docs rather than
Word or Open Office, for instance. It makes collaboration and sharing a lot
easier, too - I can worry less about file formats. To pick another example,
instead of using iTunes or WinAmp or VLC (although I also have the latter
for miscellaneous purposes) with a music library I use Grooveshark.
There are still many things that need to be offline due to the paucity of
Internet access in my house and sometimes at school, but many things can
just be re-found - it is easier for me to re-download my ebooks, and
various programs (Pidgin, GIMP, Inkscape, Notepad++, Chrome of course, a
tuner program, and others including those mentioned above [Dropbox and
VLC]) than to find and transfer them on a jumpdrive or such. However, I
noticed I have also taken increasingly to putting all my files in one place
- a folder on the desktop - rather than using My Documents. I even run
programs that do not need to alter the registry and therefore self-install,
such as tkMOO, from the desktop. With all this centrally located it is
easier to pick up and move shop should I need to.
And now I have a website I can put stuff I don't mind being public in one
place, too.

This all might be oblique to your question since I am not using the pay
Dropbox, or Dropbox in a big way at all.

-Arlo James Barnes

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[FRIAM] Dropbox big-time

[Owen Densmore]

OK, just lost another local external drive.  Got a RAID box finally on
order, BUT

.. I'd like to also use "the cloud".

So I'm thinking: any of us using Dropbox "big time" .. i.e. backing up a
large part of their digital ecosystem .. w/ the for-pay subscriptions?  If
so, how's it working out?

My backup world is pretty solid, I only lost my torrent library so .. whew!
 Current config:
- Time Machine for all machines.  (BUT the disk that died was, you guessed
it, the TM disk!)
- Dropbox: "Working files" .. all the files I edit often .. workflow.
- Github: now my code backup
- iTunes Match & Google Disk: all my music. (Complete move to bits last
year)
- EMail: IMAP on Gmail.  Pretty solid with local cache
- Browser: bookmarks, extensions via Chrome sync
- SuperDuper: periodic bootable backups of each computer (3)

Photos appear to be my weak spot .. but covered pretty well by SuperDuper.

So, the question is your experiences with Dropbox or other cloud storage
for backup?

   -- Owen

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Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

[Roger Critchlow]

I'm only guessing, but a website that hosts only 9 lines of html and gets
all its content by embedding a page from another website is probably a
common spam pattern.  Buy a hundred domains that misspell a high volume web
destination, pack the embedded frame with juicy ads, maybe get enough click
through to make a living.

-- rec --

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 9:27 PM, Nicholas Thompson <
nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Roger,
>
>
>
> Can you tell me, in non technical language, why site-advisor would have a
> problem with such a situation.
>
>
>
> I have to confess it’s just idle curiosity, so if too much work, don’t
> bother.
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Roger Critchlow
> *Sent:* Monday, January 03, 2011 5:28 PM
>
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
>
>
>
>
>
> *McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning*
>
>
>
> This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites:
>
>
> <http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=false&premium=true&client_uid=1064314504&client_ver=3.3.0.168&client_type=IEPlugin&suite=true&aff_id=0&locale=en_us&os_ver=6.1.0.0>
>
> friam.org
>
>
>
>
>
> The problem with friam.org is probably that it uses a cross-site frame to
> load its content from redfish.com, SiteAdvisor approves of redfish.com and
> a handful of other hand built sites that I know.
>
>
>
> -- rec --
>
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:
>
> Great work, Roger!
>
>
>
> o...@backspaces.net is hosted at joyent.com, not hostgo.
>
>
>
> My DNS is managed by DNSMadeEasy, I use it to forward all my incoming email
> (MX records) to Postini for spam management which then forwards to my joyent
> email .. but I doubt this has anything to do with the problem.  You can see
> the filtering in the long headers as psmtp.com entries.
>
>
>
> -- Owen
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 3, 2011, at 2:20 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
>
>
>
> The IP address that the x-spam-report lists as blacklisted [209.86.89.62
> listed in list.dnswl.org] maps to elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net which
> doesn't have any relationship to anything that Owen sent.  Ah, but it is one
> of smtp servers that Nick's email client uses, it shows up in the headers as
> the recipient of email from NicksPC.  So Nick's earthlink mail sender is/was
> blacklisted at dnswl.org, but earthlink probably fixed that as fast as
> they could.
>
>
>
> I've looked at headers for several messages, I don't see the x-spam-report
> in any, where were they?  Only in messages from Nick delivered to Owen?
>  Owen, does hostgo.com host the mailbox for backspaces.net?  They might
> only insert the x-spam-report into mail being delivered to locally hosted
> mailboxes.  The headers appear in most recently inserted first order, so if
> the x-spam-report appears close to the final delivery, it's probably only in
> your copies.
>
>
>
> The SiteAdvisor warning is probably unrelated to the x-spam-report that
> Owen is seeing.  SiteAdvisor is saying that McAffee has friam.org (or the
> IP address that DNS lookup returned for friam.org) in a list of hazardous
> sites, not to be confused with a list of sites that are spam generators.
>
>
>
> Seeing nothing strange at friam.org according to my DNS lookup, I would
> wonder if Nick's DNS has been pwned.  That is, despite the paranoia which
> we've instilled in Nick, he still managed to install a trojan that has
> hijacked the DNS services on his machine to redirect him to more bad sites.
>
>
>
> -- rec --
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Nicholas Thompson <
> nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Isn’t it the sort of header that would trigger such a response in mcafee?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Owen Densmore
> *Sent:* Monday, January 03, 2011 10:56 AM
>
>
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
>
>
>
>
>
> *McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning*
>
>
>
> This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites:
>
>
> <http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=false&premium=true&client_uid=1064314504&client_ver=3.3.0.168&client_type=IEPlugin&suite=true&aff_id=0&locale=en_us&os_ver=6.1.0.0>
>
> *friam.org*<http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=false&premium=true&client_uid

Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

[Nicholas Thompson]

Roger, 

 

Can you tell me, in non technical language, why site-advisor would have a
problem with such a situation.  

 

I have to confess it's just idle curiosity, so if too much work, don't
bother. 

 

Nick 

 

From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
Of Roger Critchlow
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 5:28 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

 






McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning


 

This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites:


 
<http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=false&premium=true&client_ui
d=1064314504&client_ver=3.3.0.168&client_type=IEPlugin&suite=true&aff_id=0&l
ocale=en_us&os_ver=6.1.0.0> 

friam.org


 

 

The problem with friam.org is probably that it uses a cross-site frame to
load its content from redfish.com, SiteAdvisor approves of redfish.com and a
handful of other hand built sites that I know.

 

-- rec --

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

Great work, Roger!

 

o...@backspaces.net is hosted at joyent.com, not hostgo.

 

My DNS is managed by DNSMadeEasy, I use it to forward all my incoming email
(MX records) to Postini for spam management which then forwards to my joyent
email .. but I doubt this has anything to do with the problem.  You can see
the filtering in the long headers as psmtp.com entries.

 

-- Owen

 

 

On Jan 3, 2011, at 2:20 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote:





The IP address that the x-spam-report lists as blacklisted [209.86.89.62
listed in list.dnswl.org <http://list.dnswl.org/> ] maps to
elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net
<http://elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net/>  which doesn't have any
relationship to anything that Owen sent.  Ah, but it is one of smtp servers
that Nick's email client uses, it shows up in the headers as the recipient
of email from NicksPC.  So Nick's earthlink mail sender is/was blacklisted
at dnswl.org <http://dnswl.org/> , but earthlink probably fixed that as fast
as they could.

 

I've looked at headers for several messages, I don't see the x-spam-report
in any, where were they?  Only in messages from Nick delivered to Owen?
Owen, does hostgo.com <http://hostgo.com/>  host the mailbox for
backspaces.net <http://backspaces.net/> ?  They might only insert the
x-spam-report into mail being delivered to locally hosted mailboxes.  The
headers appear in most recently inserted first order, so if the
x-spam-report appears close to the final delivery, it's probably only in
your copies. 

 

The SiteAdvisor warning is probably unrelated to the x-spam-report that Owen
is seeing.  SiteAdvisor is saying that McAffee has friam.org
<http://friam.org/>  (or the IP address that DNS lookup returned for
friam.org <http://friam.org/> ) in a list of hazardous sites, not to be
confused with a list of sites that are spam generators.  

 

Seeing nothing strange at friam.org <http://friam.org/>  according to my DNS
lookup, I would wonder if Nick's DNS has been pwned.  That is, despite the
paranoia which we've instilled in Nick, he still managed to install a trojan
that has hijacked the DNS services on his machine to redirect him to more
bad sites.

 

-- rec --

 

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Nicholas Thompson
 wrote:

Isn't it the sort of header that would trigger such a response in mcafee?

 

 

 

From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:56 AM


To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

 

 


McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning


 

This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites:


 
<http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=false&premium=true&client_ui
d=1064314504&client_ver=3.3.0.168&client_type=IEPlugin&suite=true&aff_id=0&l
ocale=en_us&os_ver=6.1.0.0> 

 
<http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=false&premium=true&client_ui
d=1064314504&client_ver=3.3.0.168&client_type=IEPlugin&suite=true&aff_id=0&l
ocale=en_us&os_ver=6.1.0.0> friam.org


 
<http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=false&premium=true&client_ui
d=1064314504&client_ver=3.3.0.168&client_type=IEPlugin&suite=true&aff_id=0&l
ocale=en_us&os_ver=6.1.0.0>  

 
<http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=false&premium=true&client_ui
d=1064314504&client_ver=3.3.0.168&client_type=IEPlugin&suite=true&aff_id=0&l
ocale=en_us&os_ver=6.1.0.0>  

 
<http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=false&premium=true&client_ui
d=1064314504&client_ver=3.3.0.168&client_type=IEPlugin&suite=true&aff_id=0&l
ocale=en_us&os_ver=6.1.0.0> Looking at the long heade

Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

[Owen Densmore]

Bingo!  You nailed it.  It appears that hostgo makes secondary domains be 
implemented as frames:

friam.org looks like:
http://www.redfish.com/friam"; scrolling="auto" frameborder="no" 
border="0" noresize="">

I've seen DNS services make this a choice for subdomains.  The usual choice is 
to use subdirs == subdomains .. i.e. ~/www/ == the main domain, foo.com.  Then 
~/www/bar/ == bar.foo.com.  What's odd is that hostgo implements it in the 
html, rather than in apache mapping.

-- Owen


On Jan 3, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote:

> The problem with friam.org is probably that it uses a cross-site frame to 
> load its content from redfish.com, SiteAdvisor approves of redfish.com and a 
> handful of other hand built sites that I know.
> 
> -- rec --
> 
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:
> Great work, Roger!
> 
> o...@backspaces.net is hosted at joyent.com, not hostgo.
> 
> My DNS is managed by DNSMadeEasy, I use it to forward all my incoming email 
> (MX records) to Postini for spam management which then forwards to my joyent 
> email .. but I doubt this has anything to do with the problem.  You can see 
> the filtering in the long headers as psmtp.com entries.
> 
> -- Owen
> 
> 
> On Jan 3, 2011, at 2:20 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
> 
>> The IP address that the x-spam-report lists as blacklisted [209.86.89.62 
>> listed in list.dnswl.org] maps to elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net which 
>> doesn't have any relationship to anything that Owen sent.  Ah, but it is one 
>> of smtp servers that Nick's email client uses, it shows up in the headers as 
>> the recipient of email from NicksPC.  So Nick's earthlink mail sender is/was 
>> blacklisted at dnswl.org, but earthlink probably fixed that as fast as they 
>> could.
>> 
>> I've looked at headers for several messages, I don't see the x-spam-report 
>> in any, where were they?  Only in messages from Nick delivered to Owen?  
>> Owen, does hostgo.com host the mailbox for backspaces.net?  They might only 
>> insert the x-spam-report into mail being delivered to locally hosted 
>> mailboxes.  The headers appear in most recently inserted first order, so if 
>> the x-spam-report appears close to the final delivery, it's probably only in 
>> your copies. 
>> 
>> The SiteAdvisor warning is probably unrelated to the x-spam-report that Owen 
>> is seeing.  SiteAdvisor is saying that McAffee has friam.org (or the IP 
>> address that DNS lookup returned for friam.org) in a list of hazardous 
>> sites, not to be confused with a list of sites that are spam generators.  
>> 
>> Seeing nothing strange at friam.org according to my DNS lookup, I would 
>> wonder if Nick's DNS has been pwned.  That is, despite the paranoia which 
>> we've instilled in Nick, he still managed to install a trojan that has 
>> hijacked the DNS services on his machine to redirect him to more bad sites.
>> 
>> -- rec --
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Nicholas Thompson 
>>  wrote:
>> Isn’t it the sort of header that would trigger such a response in mcafee?
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Owen Densmore
>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:56 AM
>> 
>> 
>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning
>> 
>>  
>> This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> friam.org
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> Looking at the long headers, I still see the hostgo tag warning:
>> 
>>X-Spam-Report:  Spam 
>> detection software, running on the system "milan.hostgo.com", has identified 
>> this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached 
>> to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. 
>>  If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for 
>> details. Content preview: Off topic: The warning only appears only on FRIAM 
>> messages and it appears on all of them. Is there anything about FRIAM that 
>> the list-owner should be attending to? [...]  Content analysis details:   
>> (-2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name  description  
>> -- -- 
>> -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: 

Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

[Roger Critchlow]

The problem with friam.org is probably that it uses a cross-site frame to
load its content from redfish.com, SiteAdvisor approves of redfish.com and a
handful of other hand built sites that I know.

-- rec --

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

> Great work, Roger!
>
> o...@backspaces.net is hosted at joyent.com, not hostgo.
>
> My DNS is managed by DNSMadeEasy, I use it to forward all my incoming email
> (MX records) to Postini for spam management which then forwards to my joyent
> email .. but I doubt this has anything to do with the problem.  You can see
> the filtering in the long headers as psmtp.com entries.
>
> -- Owen
>
>
> On Jan 3, 2011, at 2:20 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
>
> The IP address that the x-spam-report lists as blacklisted [209.86.89.62
> listed in list.dnswl.org] maps to elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net which
> doesn't have any relationship to anything that Owen sent.  Ah, but it is one
> of smtp servers that Nick's email client uses, it shows up in the headers as
> the recipient of email from NicksPC.  So Nick's earthlink mail sender is/was
> blacklisted at dnswl.org, but earthlink probably fixed that as fast as
> they could.
>
> I've looked at headers for several messages, I don't see the x-spam-report
> in any, where were they?  Only in messages from Nick delivered to Owen?
>  Owen, does hostgo.com host the mailbox for backspaces.net?  They might
> only insert the x-spam-report into mail being delivered to locally hosted
> mailboxes.  The headers appear in most recently inserted first order, so if
> the x-spam-report appears close to the final delivery, it's probably only in
> your copies.
>
> The SiteAdvisor warning is probably unrelated to the x-spam-report that
> Owen is seeing.  SiteAdvisor is saying that McAffee has friam.org (or the
> IP address that DNS lookup returned for friam.org) in a list of hazardous
> sites, not to be confused with a list of sites that are spam generators.
>
> Seeing nothing strange at friam.org according to my DNS lookup, I would
> wonder if Nick's DNS has been pwned.  That is, despite the paranoia which
> we've instilled in Nick, he still managed to install a trojan that has
> hijacked the DNS services on his machine to redirect him to more bad sites.
>
> -- rec --
>
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Nicholas Thompson <
> nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Isn’t it the sort of header that would trigger such a response in mcafee?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Owen Densmore
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 03, 2011 10:56 AM
>>
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning*
>>
>>
>> This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites:
>>
>>
>> <http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=false&premium=true&client_uid=1064314504&client_ver=3.3.0.168&client_type=IEPlugin&suite=true&aff_id=0&locale=en_us&os_ver=6.1.0.0>
>>
>> friam.org
>>
>>
>>
>> Looking at the long headers, I still see the hostgo tag warning:
>>
>>*X-Spam-Report: * Spam
>> detection software, running on the system "milan.hostgo.com", has
>> identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has
>> been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar
>> future email.  If you have any questions, see the administrator of that
>> system for details. Content preview: Off topic: The warning only appears
>> only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of them. Is there anything
>> about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? [...]  Content
>> analysis details:   (-2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name
>> description  --
>> -- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE
>> RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.86.89.62
>> listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain
>> matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00   BODY: Bayes spam
>> probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.] -0.3 AWL AWL: From: address is in the
>> auto white-list
>>
>>
>> But I'm not sure that would rase the warning you see.
>>
>>
>> -- Owen
>>
>>
>> On Jan 2, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
>>
>>
>> O

Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

[Owen Densmore]

Great work, Roger!

o...@backspaces.net is hosted at joyent.com, not hostgo.

My DNS is managed by DNSMadeEasy, I use it to forward all my incoming email (MX 
records) to Postini for spam management which then forwards to my joyent email 
.. but I doubt this has anything to do with the problem.  You can see the 
filtering in the long headers as psmtp.com entries.

-- Owen


On Jan 3, 2011, at 2:20 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote:

> The IP address that the x-spam-report lists as blacklisted [209.86.89.62 
> listed in list.dnswl.org] maps to elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net which 
> doesn't have any relationship to anything that Owen sent.  Ah, but it is one 
> of smtp servers that Nick's email client uses, it shows up in the headers as 
> the recipient of email from NicksPC.  So Nick's earthlink mail sender is/was 
> blacklisted at dnswl.org, but earthlink probably fixed that as fast as they 
> could.
> 
> I've looked at headers for several messages, I don't see the x-spam-report in 
> any, where were they?  Only in messages from Nick delivered to Owen?  Owen, 
> does hostgo.com host the mailbox for backspaces.net?  They might only insert 
> the x-spam-report into mail being delivered to locally hosted mailboxes.  The 
> headers appear in most recently inserted first order, so if the x-spam-report 
> appears close to the final delivery, it's probably only in your copies. 
> 
> The SiteAdvisor warning is probably unrelated to the x-spam-report that Owen 
> is seeing.  SiteAdvisor is saying that McAffee has friam.org (or the IP 
> address that DNS lookup returned for friam.org) in a list of hazardous sites, 
> not to be confused with a list of sites that are spam generators.  
> 
> Seeing nothing strange at friam.org according to my DNS lookup, I would 
> wonder if Nick's DNS has been pwned.  That is, despite the paranoia which 
> we've instilled in Nick, he still managed to install a trojan that has 
> hijacked the DNS services on his machine to redirect him to more bad sites.
> 
> -- rec --
> 
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Nicholas Thompson 
>  wrote:
> Isn’t it the sort of header that would trigger such a response in mcafee?
> 
>  
>  
>  
> From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf 
> Of Owen Densmore
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:56 AM
> 
> 
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning
> 
>  
> This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites:
> 
> 
> 
> friam.org
> 
>  
>  
> Looking at the long headers, I still see the hostgo tag warning:
> 
>X-Spam-Report:  Spam 
> detection software, running on the system "milan.hostgo.com", has identified 
> this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached 
> to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email.  
> If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. 
> Content preview: Off topic: The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages 
> and it appears on all of them. Is there anything about FRIAM that the 
> list-owner should be attending to? [...]  Content analysis details:   (-2.2 
> points, 5.0 required) pts rule name  description  
> -- -- 
> -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low 
> trust [209.86.89.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope 
> sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00   BODY: 
> Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.] -0.3 AWL AWL: From: address 
> is in the auto white-list
>  
> But I'm not sure that would rase the warning you see.
> 
>  
> -- Owen
> 
> 
> On Jan 2, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Off topic:
> 
> The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of
> them.  
> 
> Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? 
> 
> N
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
> Of Owen Densmore
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 6:54 PM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; SFx Discuss
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
> 
> McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning
> 
> This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these
> sites:
> friam.org
> 
> I've started to use dropbox and it seems a real winner!  I r

Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

[Russell Standish]

On a related note, which may bear on the original question, I
discovered a whole batch of FRIAM emails in the last couple of weeks
classified as spam by Spam Assassin (which inserts the X-spam
headers), which I have running on my laptop. I wasn't really able to
figure out why, although it is possible that being RBLed is enough to
trigger Spam Assassin.

I have taken the explicit step of adding the FRIAM address to my
procmailrc as to bypass spam filtering for all FRIAM emails. I can't
recall the last time I saw real spam coming through on FRAIM :).

Cheers

On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 02:56:26PM -0700, Roger Critchlow wrote:
> Nothing serious, just a false positive in McAffee's SiteAdvisor.
> 
> A download emporium would be a malware business, web sites stocked with all
> sorts of malicious software for the unwary to sample.  And linking from
> there to friam.org would provide McAffee with the "evidence" for their
> rating algorithm.
> 
> -- rec --
> 
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Nicholas Thompson <
> nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> > Roger.
> >
> >
> >
> > Can you explain what you mean by a “download emporium”?
> >
> >
> >
> > Are there any serious issues here, or are we at play?
> >
> >
> >
> > N
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On
> > Behalf Of *Roger Critchlow
> > *Sent:* Monday, January 03, 2011 2:25 PM
> >
> > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning*
> >
> >
> >
> > This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites:
> >
> >
> > <http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=false&premium=true&client_uid=1064314504&client_ver=3.3.0.168&client_type=IEPlugin&suite=true&aff_id=0&locale=en_us&os_ver=6.1.0.0>
> >
> > friam.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > No need to pwn the DNS, McAffee has friam.org yellow listed:
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org
> >
> >
> >
> > McAfee TrustedSource web reputation analysis found potential suspicious
> > behavior on this site which may pose a security risk. Use with caution.
> >
> >
> >
> > So, which one you is linking to friam.org from your drive by download
> > emporiums?
> >
> >
> >
> > -- rec --
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:
> >
> > The IP address that the style='font-size:10.5pt'>[209.86.89.62 listed in
> > list.dnswl.org] maps to elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net which doesn't
> > have any relationship to anything that Owen sent.  Ah, but it is one of smtp
> > servers that Nick's email client uses, it shows up in the headers as the
> > recipient of email from NicksPC.  So Nick's earthlink mail sender is/was
> > blacklisted at dnswl.org, but earthlink probably fixed that as fast as
> > they could.
> >
> >
> >
> > I've looked at headers for several messages, I don't see the x-spam-report
> > in any, where were they?  Only in messages from Nick delivered to Owen?
> >  Owen, does hostgo.com host the mailbox for backspaces.net?  They might
> > only insert the x-spam-report into mail being delivered to locally hosted
> > mailboxes.  The headers appear in most recently inserted first order, so if
> > the x-spam-report appears close to the final delivery, it's probably only in
> > your copies.
> >
> >
> >
> > The SiteAdvisor warning is probably unrelated to the x-spam-report that
> > Owen is seeing.  SiteAdvisor is saying that McAffee has friam.org (or the
> > IP address that DNS lookup returned for friam.org) in a list of hazardous
> > sites, not to be confused with a list of sites that are spam generators.
> >
> >
> >
> > Seeing nothing strange at friam.org according to my DNS lookup, I would
> > wonder if Nick's DNS has been pwned.  That is, despite the paranoia which
> > we've instilled in Nick, he still managed to install a trojan that has
> > hijacked the DNS services on his machine to redirect him to more bad sites.
> >
> >
> >
> > -- rec --
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Nicholas Thompson <
> > nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > Isn’t it the sort of header that would trigger such a response in mcafee?
> >

Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

[Nicholas Thompson]

Roger.

 

Can you explain what you mean by a "download emporium"?   

 

Are there any serious issues here, or are we at play? 

 

N

 

From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
Of Roger Critchlow
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 2:25 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

 






McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning


 

This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites:


 
<http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=false&premium=true&client_ui
d=1064314504&client_ver=3.3.0.168&client_type=IEPlugin&suite=true&aff_id=0&l
ocale=en_us&os_ver=6.1.0.0> 

friam.org


 

 

No need to pwn the DNS, McAffee has friam.org yellow listed:

 

http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org

 

McAfee TrustedSource web reputation analysis found potential suspicious
behavior on this site which may pose a security risk. Use with caution.

 

So, which one you is linking to friam.org from your drive by download
emporiums?

 

-- rec --

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:

The IP address that the x-spam-report lists as blacklisted [209.86.89.62
listed in list.dnswl.org <http://list.dnswl.org/> ] maps to
elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net which doesn't have any relationship to
anything that Owen sent.  Ah, but it is one of smtp servers that Nick's
email client uses, it shows up in the headers as the recipient of email from
NicksPC.  So Nick's earthlink mail sender is/was blacklisted at dnswl.org,
but earthlink probably fixed that as fast as they could.

 

I've looked at headers for several messages, I don't see the x-spam-report
in any, where were they?  Only in messages from Nick delivered to Owen?
Owen, does hostgo.com host the mailbox for backspaces.net?  They might only
insert the x-spam-report into mail being delivered to locally hosted
mailboxes.  The headers appear in most recently inserted first order, so if
the x-spam-report appears close to the final delivery, it's probably only in
your copies. 

 

The SiteAdvisor warning is probably unrelated to the x-spam-report that Owen
is seeing.  SiteAdvisor is saying that McAffee has friam.org (or the IP
address that DNS lookup returned for friam.org) in a list of hazardous
sites, not to be confused with a list of sites that are spam generators.  

 

Seeing nothing strange at friam.org according to my DNS lookup, I would
wonder if Nick's DNS has been pwned.  That is, despite the paranoia which
we've instilled in Nick, he still managed to install a trojan that has
hijacked the DNS services on his machine to redirect him to more bad sites.

 

-- rec --

 

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Nicholas Thompson
 wrote:

Isn't it the sort of header that would trigger such a response in mcafee?

 

 

 

From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:56 AM


To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

 


McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning


 

This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites:


 
<http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=false&premium=true&client_ui
d=1064314504&client_ver=3.3.0.168&client_type=IEPlugin&suite=true&aff_id=0&l
ocale=en_us&os_ver=6.1.0.0> 

friam.org


 

 

Looking at the long headers, I still see the hostgo tag warning:

   X-Spam-Report:  Spam
detection software, running on the system "milan.hostgo.com", has identified
this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached
to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email.
If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details.
Content preview: Off topic: The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages
and it appears on all of them. Is there anything about FRIAM that the
list-owner should be attending to? [...]  Content analysis details:   (-2.2
points, 5.0 required) pts rule name  description 
-- --
-0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low
trust [209.86.89.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD
Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00
BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.] -0.3 AWL AWL: From:
address is in the auto white-list

 

But I'm not sure that would rase the warning you see.

 

-- Owen


On Jan 2, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:



Off topic:

The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of
them.  

Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? 

N

-Original Message-
From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [ma

Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

[Roger Critchlow]

No need to pwn the DNS, McAffee has friam.org yellow listed:

http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org

McAfee TrustedSource web reputation analysis found potential suspicious
behavior on this site which may pose a security risk. Use with caution.

<http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org>

So, which one you is linking to friam.org from your drive by download
emporiums?

-- rec --

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:

> The IP address that the x-spam-report lists as blacklisted [209.86.89.62
> listed in list.dnswl.org] maps to elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net which
> doesn't have any relationship to anything that Owen sent.  Ah, but it is one
> of smtp servers that Nick's email client uses, it shows up in the headers as
> the recipient of email from NicksPC.  So Nick's earthlink mail sender is/was
> blacklisted at dnswl.org, but earthlink probably fixed that as fast as
> they could.
>
> I've looked at headers for several messages, I don't see the x-spam-report
> in any, where were they?  Only in messages from Nick delivered to Owen?
>  Owen, does hostgo.com host the mailbox for backspaces.net?  They might
> only insert the x-spam-report into mail being delivered to locally hosted
> mailboxes.  The headers appear in most recently inserted first order, so if
> the x-spam-report appears close to the final delivery, it's probably only in
> your copies.
>
> The SiteAdvisor warning is probably unrelated to the x-spam-report that
> Owen is seeing.  SiteAdvisor is saying that McAffee has friam.org (or the
> IP address that DNS lookup returned for friam.org) in a list of hazardous
> sites, not to be confused with a list of sites that are spam generators.
>
> Seeing nothing strange at friam.org according to my DNS lookup, I would
> wonder if Nick's DNS has been pwned.  That is, despite the paranoia which
> we've instilled in Nick, he still managed to install a trojan that has
> hijacked the DNS services on his machine to redirect him to more bad sites.
>
> -- rec --
>
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Nicholas Thompson <
> nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Isn’t it the sort of header that would trigger such a response in mcafee?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Owen Densmore
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 03, 2011 10:56 AM
>>
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning*
>>
>>
>>
>> This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites:
>>
>>
>> <http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=false&premium=true&client_uid=1064314504&client_ver=3.3.0.168&client_type=IEPlugin&suite=true&aff_id=0&locale=en_us&os_ver=6.1.0.0>
>>
>> friam.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Looking at the long headers, I still see the hostgo tag warning:
>>
>>*X-Spam-Report: * Spam
>> detection software, running on the system "milan.hostgo.com", has
>> identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has
>> been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar
>> future email.  If you have any questions, see the administrator of that
>> system for details. Content preview: Off topic: The warning only appears
>> only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of them. Is there anything
>> about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? [...]  Content
>> analysis details:   (-2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name
>> description  --
>> -- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE
>> RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.86.89.62
>> listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain
>> matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00   BODY: Bayes spam
>> probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.] -0.3 AWL AWL: From: address is in the
>> auto white-list
>>
>>
>>
>> But I'm not sure that would rase the warning you see.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Owen
>>
>>
>> On Jan 2, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
>>
>>
>> Off topic:
>>
>> The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of
>> them.
>>
>> Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to?
>>
>> N
>>
>

Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

[Roger Critchlow]

The IP address that the x-spam-report lists as blacklisted [209.86.89.62
listed in list.dnswl.org] maps to elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net which
doesn't have any relationship to anything that Owen sent.  Ah, but it is one
of smtp servers that Nick's email client uses, it shows up in the headers as
the recipient of email from NicksPC.  So Nick's earthlink mail sender is/was
blacklisted at dnswl.org, but earthlink probably fixed that as fast as they
could.

I've looked at headers for several messages, I don't see the x-spam-report
in any, where were they?  Only in messages from Nick delivered to Owen?
 Owen, does hostgo.com host the mailbox for backspaces.net?  They might only
insert the x-spam-report into mail being delivered to locally hosted
mailboxes.  The headers appear in most recently inserted first order, so if
the x-spam-report appears close to the final delivery, it's probably only in
your copies.

The SiteAdvisor warning is probably unrelated to the x-spam-report that Owen
is seeing.  SiteAdvisor is saying that McAffee has friam.org (or the IP
address that DNS lookup returned for friam.org) in a list of hazardous
sites, not to be confused with a list of sites that are spam generators.

Seeing nothing strange at friam.org according to my DNS lookup, I would
wonder if Nick's DNS has been pwned.  That is, despite the paranoia which
we've instilled in Nick, he still managed to install a trojan that has
hijacked the DNS services on his machine to redirect him to more bad sites.

-- rec --

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Nicholas Thompson <
nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Isn’t it the sort of header that would trigger such a response in mcafee?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Owen Densmore
> *Sent:* Monday, January 03, 2011 10:56 AM
>
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
>
>
>
>
>
> *McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning*
>
>
>
> This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites:
>
>
> <http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=false&premium=true&client_uid=1064314504&client_ver=3.3.0.168&client_type=IEPlugin&suite=true&aff_id=0&locale=en_us&os_ver=6.1.0.0>
>
> friam.org
>
>
>
>
>
> Looking at the long headers, I still see the hostgo tag warning:
>
>*X-Spam-Report: * Spam
> detection software, running on the system "milan.hostgo.com", has
> identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has
> been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar
> future email.  If you have any questions, see the administrator of that
> system for details. Content preview: Off topic: The warning only appears
> only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of them. Is there anything
> about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? [...]  Content
> analysis details:   (-2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name
> description  --
> -- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE
> RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.86.89.62
> listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain
> matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00   BODY: Bayes spam
> probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.] -0.3 AWL AWL: From: address is in the
> auto white-list
>
>
>
> But I'm not sure that would rase the warning you see.
>
>
>
> -- Owen
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
>
>
> Off topic:
>
> The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of
> them.
>
> Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to?
>
> N
>
> -Original Message-
> From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Owen Densmore
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 6:54 PM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; SFx Discuss
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
>
> McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning
>
> This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these
> sites:
> friam.org
>
> I've started to use dropbox and it seems a real winner!  I really like the
> way it combines a remote disk along with local sync'ed folders.
>
> Would anyone who doesn't have a dropbox account yet be willing to sign up
> as
> a referral?
> https://www.dropbox.com/referrals
>
> If you want to start an account, let 

Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

[Nicholas Thompson]

Isn't it the sort of header that would trigger such a response in mcafee?

 

 

 

From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:56 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

 






McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning


 

This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites:


 
<http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=false&premium=true&client_ui
d=1064314504&client_ver=3.3.0.168&client_type=IEPlugin&suite=true&aff_id=0&l
ocale=en_us&os_ver=6.1.0.0> 

friam.org


 

 

Looking at the long headers, I still see the hostgo tag warning:

   X-Spam-Report:  Spam
detection software, running on the system "milan.hostgo.com", has identified
this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached
to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email.
If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details.
Content preview: Off topic: The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages
and it appears on all of them. Is there anything about FRIAM that the
list-owner should be attending to? [...]  Content analysis details:   (-2.2
points, 5.0 required) pts rule name  description 
-- --
-0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low
trust [209.86.89.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD
Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00
BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.] -0.3 AWL AWL: From:
address is in the auto white-list

 

But I'm not sure that would rase the warning you see.

 

-- Owen


On Jan 2, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:




Off topic:

The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of
them.  

Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? 

N

-Original Message-
From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 6:54 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; SFx Discuss
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning

This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these
sites:
friam.org

I've started to use dropbox and it seems a real winner!  I really like the
way it combines a remote disk along with local sync'ed folders.

Would anyone who doesn't have a dropbox account yet be willing to sign up as
a referral? 
https://www.dropbox.com/referrals

If you want to start an account, let me refer you first, and we'll BOTH get
250MB more .. up to a limit of 8GB.  Just send me an email, I'll fill the
form above, and we'll both get a larger account.

   -- Owen




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Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

[Owen Densmore]

Looking at the long headers, I still see the hostgo tag warning:
X-Spam-Report:  Spam detection software, running on the system 
"milan.hostgo.com", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The 
original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't 
spam) or label similar future email.  If you have any questions, see the 
administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Off topic: The 
warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of them. Is 
there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? [...]  
Content analysis details:   (-2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name   
   description  -- 
-- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: 
Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.86.89.62 listed in 
list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover 
relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00   BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 
1% [score: 0.] -0.3 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list

But I'm not sure that would rase the warning you see.

-- Owen


On Jan 2, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

> Off topic:
> 
> The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of
> them.  
> 
> Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? 
> 
> N
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
> Of Owen Densmore
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 6:54 PM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; SFx Discuss
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
> 
>   McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning
> 
>   This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these
> sites:
>   friam.org
> 
> I've started to use dropbox and it seems a real winner!  I really like the
> way it combines a remote disk along with local sync'ed folders.
> 
> Would anyone who doesn't have a dropbox account yet be willing to sign up as
> a referral? 
>   https://www.dropbox.com/referrals
> 
> If you want to start an account, let me refer you first, and we'll BOTH get
> 250MB more .. up to a limit of 8GB.  Just send me an email, I'll fill the
> form above, and we'll both get a larger account.
> 
>-- Owen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives,
> unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> 
> 
> 
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org


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Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

[Nicholas Thompson]

Off topic:

The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of
them.  

Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? 

N

-Original Message-
From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
Of Owen Densmore
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 6:54 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; SFx Discuss
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning

This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these
sites:
friam.org

I've started to use dropbox and it seems a real winner!  I really like the
way it combines a remote disk along with local sync'ed folders.

Would anyone who doesn't have a dropbox account yet be willing to sign up as
a referral? 
https://www.dropbox.com/referrals

If you want to start an account, let me refer you first, and we'll BOTH get
250MB more .. up to a limit of 8GB.  Just send me an email, I'll fill the
form above, and we'll both get a larger account.

-- Owen




FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives,
unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org



FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org

Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

[Douglas Roberts]

Nice timing, Owen.  I signed up three days ago.

--Doug

On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

> I've started to use dropbox and it seems a real winner!  I really like the
> way it combines a remote disk along with local sync'ed folders.
>
> Would anyone who doesn't have a dropbox account yet be willing to sign up
> as a referral?
>https://www.dropbox.com/referrals
>
> If you want to start an account, let me refer you first, and we'll BOTH get
> 250MB more .. up to a limit of 8GB.  Just send me an email, I'll fill the
> form above, and we'll both get a larger account.
>
>-- Owen
>
>
>
> 
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>



-- 
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drobe...@rti.org
d...@parrot-farm.net
505-455-7333 - Office
505-670-8195 - Cell

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Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

[Owen Densmore]

I've started to use dropbox and it seems a real winner!  I really like the way 
it combines a remote disk along with local sync'ed folders.

Would anyone who doesn't have a dropbox account yet be willing to sign up as a 
referral? 
https://www.dropbox.com/referrals

If you want to start an account, let me refer you first, and we'll BOTH get 
250MB more .. up to a limit of 8GB.  Just send me an email, I'll fill the form 
above, and we'll both get a larger account.

-- Owen




FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org

Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

[Owen Densmore]

Great info, thanks! Questions:

- Do you use the "pro" versions, the for-pay ones?  Or do you use the fee one.
- Is the only difference between the free and pay versions the amount of space?
- How do you deal with security?  Is SSH an option or are you stuck with 
passwords?
- Isn't performance a problem?  Our Santa Fe networks are really slow.

-- Owen


On Nov 28, 2010, at 10:23 PM, Chris Feola wrote:

> Hey Nick,
>  
> We use Dropbox a ton; here’s why. I’ve never been a big fan of cloud 
> storage—It’s OK, but I’ve always had access to servers and such, so there 
> didn’t seem to be much of a point for someone in my situation. Dropbox, 
> however, is a game changer. First, clients for everything. In my office alone 
> we have it on Mac OSx, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, several flavors 
> of Linux, iOS 3, iOS4 and Android 2.X.
>  
> Second, there’s the synching. On regular -- big -- machines such as desktops 
> and laptops, Dropbox creates a mirror folder on your hard drive and 
> synchronizes it with the cloud. Super useful for using multiple machines, 
> backup, etc.  Even better, it means backups on every machine AS WELL AS the 
> cloud, so even if the cloud went away I’m still in good shape. Plus, multiple 
> levels of undelete, logging of who did what, share control, etc.
>  
> While this is a great strategy for hard drives, it's not so hot for the much 
> tighter solid state storage on mobile devices. Here, Dropbox works in the 
> opposite fashion-it creates what looks like a folder in your storage, but 
> does NOT automatically synchronize the files. This has several advanatages: 
> it allows you to access tons of stuff without using up your storage, for one. 
> And it allows the Dropbox folder to appear as a usable drive to other 
> programs, such as Docs to Go, so you can create docs on, say, your iPad and 
> have them backed up/available for editing on your bigger hardware.
>  
> There's a catch to this, obviously -- it doesn't work when you're offline. So 
> how do you make stuff in your Dropbox available for, say, work on an 
> airplane? Simple-you favorite it.
>  
> So, bottom line: Great synching. Backup. Clients for pretty much everything. 
> And if I’m in a meeting and need a doc I don’t have I can pull it up on my 
> Android phone.
>  
> Recommended.
>  
> cjf
> 
> Christopher J. Feola
> President, nextPression
> Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/cjfeola
>  
> From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf 
> Of Nicholas Thompson
> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 5:56 PM
> To: russ.abb...@gmail.com; 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee 
> Group'
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
>  
> Russ,
>  
> I just rummaged around on SkyDrive help pages and could find no sign that it 
> sync-ed automatically.  Any leads?
>  
> Nick
>  
> From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf 
> Of Russ Abbott
> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 3:27 PM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
>  
> I just looked up DropBox. Why is it better than other online file storage 
> systems?  For example, Google sites includes the means to store files, up to 
> 10GB for free. (Dropbox includes only 2GB for free.)  Windows Live SkyDrive 
> includes 25GB free.  (I think it syncs automatically if you have Windows 7.) 
> Google sites seems to keep all versions of files so that one can retrieve 
> previous versions. I haven't found a way to retrieve previous versions from 
> SkyDrive and don't know if they keep them. The DropBox website didn't say 
> anything about keeping previous versions. 
> 
> -- Russ 
>  
> 
> On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:
> Good info!  gpg is new to me, so a question or two:
> - Do you use the pay Dropbox service?  .. or just the free one?
> - Is gpg (http://www.gnupg.org/) easy to administer?  Does it replace SSH key 
> pairs?
> - Is gpg available fairly universally .. iPhone/Android, Mac/Win/Linux .. web 
> hosting services?
> - What's gpg like to use?
>  
> Sounds interesting.
>  
> -- Owen
>  
>  
> On Nov 28, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Robert Holmes wrote:
>  
> 
> Owen - I work interchangeably on my office and home computers and I use 
> Dropbox to keep particular parts of my setup synced between the two machines. 
> In particular:
> my to-do lists, engineer's notebook, big file o' passwords (gpg-ed, of 
> course)  and simple Python utilities all go into Dropbox & hence are always 
> up to date and accessible;
> my ever-growing collection of .PDFs of academic journals and 

Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

[Chris Feola]

Hey Nick,

 

We use Dropbox a ton; here's why. I've never been a big fan of cloud
storage-It's OK, but I've always had access to servers and such, so there
didn't seem to be much of a point for someone in my situation. Dropbox,
however, is a game changer. First, clients for everything. In my office
alone we have it on Mac OSx, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, several
flavors of Linux, iOS 3, iOS4 and Android 2.X. 

 

Second, there's the synching. On regular -- big -- machines such as desktops
and laptops, Dropbox creates a mirror folder on your hard drive and
synchronizes it with the cloud. Super useful for using multiple machines,
backup, etc.  Even better, it means backups on every machine AS WELL AS the
cloud, so even if the cloud went away I'm still in good shape. Plus,
multiple levels of undelete, logging of who did what, share control, etc.

 

While this is a great strategy for hard drives, it's not so hot for the much
tighter solid state storage on mobile devices. Here, Dropbox works in the
opposite fashion-it creates what looks like a folder in your storage, but
does NOT automatically synchronize the files. This has several advanatages:
it allows you to access tons of stuff without using up your storage, for
one. And it allows the Dropbox folder to appear as a usable drive to other
programs, such as Docs to Go, so you can create docs on, say, your iPad and
have them backed up/available for editing on your bigger hardware.

 

There's a catch to this, obviously -- it doesn't work when you're offline.
So how do you make stuff in your Dropbox available for, say, work on an
airplane? Simple-you favorite it.

 

So, bottom line: Great synching. Backup. Clients for pretty much everything.
And if I'm in a meeting and need a doc I don't have I can pull it up on my
Android phone.

 

Recommended.

 

cjf

Christopher J. Feola
President, nextPression
Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/cjfeola

 

From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
Of Nicholas Thompson
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 5:56 PM
To: russ.abb...@gmail.com; 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
Group'
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

 

Russ, 

 

I just rummaged around on SkyDrive help pages and could find no sign that it
sync-ed automatically.  Any leads? 

 

Nick 

 

From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
Of Russ Abbott
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 3:27 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

 

I just looked up DropBox. Why is it better than other online file storage
systems?  For example, Google sites includes the means to store files, up to
10GB for free. (Dropbox includes only 2GB for free.)  Windows Live SkyDrive
includes 25GB free.  (I think it syncs automatically if you have Windows 7.)
Google sites seems to keep all versions of files so that one can retrieve
previous versions. I haven't found a way to retrieve previous versions from
SkyDrive and don't know if they keep them. The DropBox website didn't say
anything about keeping previous versions. 



-- Russ 

 

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

Good info!  gpg is new to me, so a question or two:

- Do you use the pay Dropbox service?  .. or just the free one?

- Is gpg (http://www.gnupg.org/) easy to administer?  Does it replace SSH
key pairs?

- Is gpg available fairly universally .. iPhone/Android, Mac/Win/Linux ..
web hosting services?

- What's gpg like to use?

 

Sounds interesting.

 

-- Owen

 

 

On Nov 28, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Robert Holmes wrote:

 

Owen - I work interchangeably on my office and home computers and I use
Dropbox to keep particular parts of my setup synced between the two
machines. In particular:

1.  my to-do lists, engineer's notebook, big file o' passwords (gpg-ed,
of course)  and simple Python utilities all go into Dropbox & hence are
always up to date and accessible;
2.  my ever-growing collection of .PDFs of academic journals and papers
goes into Dropbox so I can easily get it from any machine (and add to it
from any of my machines).

I do have Dropbox enabled on my Droid, but I don't think the Droid is
terribly effective as an input device and its screen is just too small for
comfortable viewing of PDFs, so I don't use it much for that. Handy in an
emergency though.

 

-- R 

 

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

Anyone on the list using dropbox a lot?  I'm wondering if the iPad/iPhone
app would be useful.

   -- Owen




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<http://www.friam.org/> 

 

==

Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

[Russ Abbott]

I know I saw it. It requires Windows 7. Since I don't have Windows 7, I
didn't spend much time thinking about it.

I just did a quick search and found this
page<http://explore.live.com/windows-live-mesh-devices-sync-upgrade-ui>on
Windows Live Mesh that seems relevant.
*
-- Russ *



On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Nicholas Thompson <
nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Russ,
>
>
>
> I just rummaged around on SkyDrive help pages and could find no sign that
> it sync-ed automatically.  Any leads?
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Russ Abbott
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 28, 2010 3:27 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
>
>
>
> I just looked up DropBox. Why is it better than other online file storage
> systems?  For example, Google sites includes the means to store files, up to
> 10GB for free. (Dropbox includes only 2GB for free.)  Windows Live SkyDrive
> includes 25GB free.  (I think it syncs automatically if you have Windows 7.)
> Google sites seems to keep all versions of files so that one can retrieve
> previous versions. I haven't found a way to retrieve previous versions from
> SkyDrive and don't know if they keep them. The DropBox website didn't say
> anything about keeping previous versions.
>
> *
> -- Russ *
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Owen Densmore  > wrote:
>
> Good info!  gpg is new to me, so a question or two:
>
> - Do you use the pay Dropbox service?  .. or just the free one?
>
> - Is gpg (http://www.gnupg.org/) easy to administer?  Does it replace SSH
> key pairs?
>
> - Is gpg available fairly universally .. iPhone/Android, Mac/Win/Linux ..
> web hosting services?
>
> - What's gpg like to use?
>
>
>
> Sounds interesting.
>
>
>
> -- Owen
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 28, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Robert Holmes wrote:
>
>
>
> Owen - I work interchangeably on my office and home computers and I use
> Dropbox to keep particular parts of my setup synced between the two
> machines. In particular:
>
>1. my to-do lists, engineer's notebook, big file o' passwords (gpg-ed,
>of course)  and simple Python utilities all go into Dropbox & hence are
>always up to date and accessible;
>2. my ever-growing collection of .PDFs of academic journals and papers
>goes into Dropbox so I can easily get it from any machine (and add to it
>from any of my machines).
>
> I do have Dropbox enabled on my Droid, but I don't think the Droid is
> terribly effective as an input device and its screen is just too small
> for comfortable viewing of PDFs, so I don't use it much for that. Handy in
> an emergency though.
>
>
>
> -- R
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Owen Densmore  > wrote:
>
> Anyone on the list using dropbox a lot?  I'm wondering if the iPad/iPhone
> app would be useful.
>
>-- Owen
>
>
>
> 
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>
>
>
> 
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>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

[Nicholas Thompson]

Russ, 

 

I just rummaged around on SkyDrive help pages and could find no sign that it
sync-ed automatically.  Any leads? 

 

Nick 

 

From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
Of Russ Abbott
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 3:27 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

 

I just looked up DropBox. Why is it better than other online file storage
systems?  For example, Google sites includes the means to store files, up to
10GB for free. (Dropbox includes only 2GB for free.)  Windows Live SkyDrive
includes 25GB free.  (I think it syncs automatically if you have Windows 7.)
Google sites seems to keep all versions of files so that one can retrieve
previous versions. I haven't found a way to retrieve previous versions from
SkyDrive and don't know if they keep them. The DropBox website didn't say
anything about keeping previous versions. 



-- Russ 





On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

Good info!  gpg is new to me, so a question or two:

- Do you use the pay Dropbox service?  .. or just the free one?

- Is gpg (http://www.gnupg.org/) easy to administer?  Does it replace SSH
key pairs?

- Is gpg available fairly universally .. iPhone/Android, Mac/Win/Linux ..
web hosting services?

- What's gpg like to use?

 

Sounds interesting.

 

-- Owen

 

 

On Nov 28, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Robert Holmes wrote:





Owen - I work interchangeably on my office and home computers and I use
Dropbox to keep particular parts of my setup synced between the two
machines. In particular:

1.  my to-do lists, engineer's notebook, big file o' passwords (gpg-ed,
of course)  and simple Python utilities all go into Dropbox & hence are
always up to date and accessible;
2.  my ever-growing collection of .PDFs of academic journals and papers
goes into Dropbox so I can easily get it from any machine (and add to it
from any of my machines).

I do have Dropbox enabled on my Droid, but I don't think the Droid is
terribly effective as an input device and its screen is just too small for
comfortable viewing of PDFs, so I don't use it much for that. Handy in an
emergency though.

 

-- R 

 

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Anyone on the list using dropbox a lot?  I'm wondering if the iPad/iPhone
app would be useful.

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Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

[Robert Holmes]

Owen -

   - I use the paid version, because I've got tons of PDFs.
   - Administering gpg can be a little opaque but there's some good guides
   out there (cheat sheet
here;
original
   reference documentation—surprisingly
readable—here
   ).
   - Mac/Win/Linux availability: yes. In all cases you can get GUI clients
   that sit on top of the command line tool, but to be honest I find the
   command line gpg easier to use. iPhone/Android: dunno, but I tend to use
   those as read-only devices.
   - Once I had my public and secret keys set up I've only ever used "gpg
   -d" to decode a file and "gpg -e -s" to symmetrically encode it and sign it.

-- R



On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

> Good info!  gpg is new to me, so a question or two:
> - Do you use the pay Dropbox service?  .. or just the free one?
> - Is gpg (http://www.gnupg.org/) easy to administer?  Does it replace SSH
> key pairs?
> - Is gpg available fairly universally .. iPhone/Android, Mac/Win/Linux ..
> web hosting services?
> - What's gpg like to use?
>
> Sounds interesting.
>
>  -- Owen
>
>
> On Nov 28, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Robert Holmes wrote:
>
> Owen - I work interchangeably on my office and home computers and I use
> Dropbox to keep particular parts of my setup synced between the two
> machines. In particular:
>
>1. my to-do lists, engineer's notebook, big file o' passwords (gpg-ed,
>of course)  and simple Python utilities all go into Dropbox & hence are
>always up to date and accessible;
>2. my ever-growing collection of .PDFs of academic journals and papers
>goes into Dropbox so I can easily get it from any machine (and add to it
>from any of my machines).
>
> I do have Dropbox enabled on my Droid, but I don't think the Droid is
> terribly effective as an input device and its screen is just too small
> for comfortable viewing of PDFs, so I don't use it much for that. Handy in
> an emergency though.
>
> -- R
>
> On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>
>> Anyone on the list using dropbox a lot?  I'm wondering if the iPad/iPhone
>> app would be useful.
>>
>>-- Owen
>>
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

[Robert Holmes]

For me, the automatic sync is the big attraction. It's probably no better
than any other online storage system if storage is all you want from it, but
the ease of sync (and the fact that I can selectively share these synced
folders with non-Dropbox users) is a big plus.

-- R

P.S. Dropbox keeps previous versions. Not sure how far back, but far enough
back for my purposes.

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Russ Abbott  wrote:

> I just looked up DropBox. Why is it better than other online file storage
> systems?  For example, Google sites includes the means to store files, up to
> 10GB for free. (Dropbox includes only 2GB for free.)  Windows Live SkyDrive
> includes 25GB free.  (I think it syncs automatically if you have Windows 7.)
> Google sites seems to keep all versions of files so that one can retrieve
> previous versions. I haven't found a way to retrieve previous versions from
> SkyDrive and don't know if they keep them. The DropBox website didn't say
> anything about keeping previous versions.
> *
> -- Russ *
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Owen Densmore 
>  wrote:
>
>  Good info!  gpg is new to me, so a question or two:
>> - Do you use the pay Dropbox service?  .. or just the free one?
>> - Is gpg (http://www.gnupg.org/) easy to administer?  Does it replace SSH
>> key pairs?
>> - Is gpg available fairly universally .. iPhone/Android, Mac/Win/Linux ..
>> web hosting services?
>> - What's gpg like to use?
>>
>> Sounds interesting.
>>
>> -- Owen
>>
>>
>> On Nov 28, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Robert Holmes wrote:
>>
>> Owen - I work interchangeably on my office and home computers and I use
>> Dropbox to keep particular parts of my setup synced between the two
>> machines. In particular:
>>
>>1. my to-do lists, engineer's notebook, big file o' passwords (gpg-ed,
>>of course)  and simple Python utilities all go into Dropbox & hence are
>>always up to date and accessible;
>>2. my ever-growing collection of .PDFs of academic journals and papers
>>goes into Dropbox so I can easily get it from any machine (and add to it
>>from any of my machines).
>>
>> I do have Dropbox enabled on my Droid, but I don't think the Droid is
>> terribly effective as an input device and its screen is just too small
>> for comfortable viewing of PDFs, so I don't use it much for that. Handy in
>> an emergency though.
>>
>> -- R
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Owen Densmore 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone on the list using dropbox a lot?  I'm wondering if the iPad/iPhone
>>> app would be useful.
>>>
>>>-- Owen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

[Russ Abbott]

I just looked up DropBox. Why is it better than other online file storage
systems?  For example, Google sites includes the means to store files, up to
10GB for free. (Dropbox includes only 2GB for free.)  Windows Live SkyDrive
includes 25GB free.  (I think it syncs automatically if you have Windows 7.)
Google sites seems to keep all versions of files so that one can retrieve
previous versions. I haven't found a way to retrieve previous versions from
SkyDrive and don't know if they keep them. The DropBox website didn't say
anything about keeping previous versions.
*
-- Russ *



On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

> Good info!  gpg is new to me, so a question or two:
> - Do you use the pay Dropbox service?  .. or just the free one?
> - Is gpg (http://www.gnupg.org/) easy to administer?  Does it replace SSH
> key pairs?
> - Is gpg available fairly universally .. iPhone/Android, Mac/Win/Linux ..
> web hosting services?
> - What's gpg like to use?
>
> Sounds interesting.
>
> -- Owen
>
>
> On Nov 28, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Robert Holmes wrote:
>
> Owen - I work interchangeably on my office and home computers and I use
> Dropbox to keep particular parts of my setup synced between the two
> machines. In particular:
>
>1. my to-do lists, engineer's notebook, big file o' passwords (gpg-ed,
>of course)  and simple Python utilities all go into Dropbox & hence are
>always up to date and accessible;
>2. my ever-growing collection of .PDFs of academic journals and papers
>goes into Dropbox so I can easily get it from any machine (and add to it
>from any of my machines).
>
> I do have Dropbox enabled on my Droid, but I don't think the Droid is
> terribly effective as an input device and its screen is just too small
> for comfortable viewing of PDFs, so I don't use it much for that. Handy in
> an emergency though.
>
> -- R
>
> On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Owen Densmore 
>  wrote:
>
>> Anyone on the list using dropbox a lot?  I'm wondering if the iPad/iPhone
>> app would be useful.
>>
>>-- Owen
>>
>>
>>
>> 
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>>
>
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>
>
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Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

[Owen Densmore]

Good info!  gpg is new to me, so a question or two:
- Do you use the pay Dropbox service?  .. or just the free one?
- Is gpg (http://www.gnupg.org/) easy to administer?  Does it replace SSH key 
pairs?
- Is gpg available fairly universally .. iPhone/Android, Mac/Win/Linux .. web 
hosting services?
- What's gpg like to use?

Sounds interesting.

-- Owen


On Nov 28, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Robert Holmes wrote:

> Owen - I work interchangeably on my office and home computers and I use 
> Dropbox to keep particular parts of my setup synced between the two machines. 
> In particular:
> my to-do lists, engineer's notebook, big file o' passwords (gpg-ed, of 
> course)  and simple Python utilities all go into Dropbox & hence are always 
> up to date and accessible;
> my ever-growing collection of .PDFs of academic journals and papers goes into 
> Dropbox so I can easily get it from any machine (and add to it from any of my 
> machines).
> I do have Dropbox enabled on my Droid, but I don't think the Droid is 
> terribly effective as an input device and its screen is just too small for 
> comfortable viewing of PDFs, so I don't use it much for that. Handy in an 
> emergency though.
> 
> -- R 
> 
> On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:
> Anyone on the list using dropbox a lot?  I'm wondering if the iPad/iPhone app 
> would be useful.
> 
>-- Owen
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?

[Robert Holmes]

Owen - I work interchangeably on my office and home computers and I use
Dropbox to keep particular parts of my setup synced between the two
machines. In particular:

   1. my to-do lists, engineer's notebook, big file o' passwords (gpg-ed, of
   course)  and simple Python utilities all go into Dropbox & hence are always
   up to date and accessible;
   2. my ever-growing collection of .PDFs of academic journals and papers
   goes into Dropbox so I can easily get it from any machine (and add to it
   from any of my machines).

I do have Dropbox enabled on my Droid, but I don't think the Droid is
terribly effective as an input device and its screen is just too small
for comfortable viewing of PDFs, so I don't use it much for that. Handy in
an emergency though.

-- R

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

> Anyone on the list using dropbox a lot?  I'm wondering if the iPad/iPhone
> app would be useful.
>
>-- Owen
>
>
>
> 
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[FRIAM] dropbox?

[Owen Densmore]

Anyone on the list using dropbox a lot?  I'm wondering if the iPad/iPhone app 
would be useful.

-- Owen




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Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox

[Saul Caganoff]

I think its fabulous! Been using for about 12 months.

Only issue I've found is that if you put a subversion repository in it you
get contention issues...but that's my own fault for wanting to do something
reckless.

Cheers,
Saul

On 14 September 2010 09:40, Owen Densmore  wrote:

> I'm going to Italy for a month and would like to use the Dropbox storage
> system .. there's an iPad/iPhone app that makes it easy to use.  I'm leaving
> my laptop at home.
>
> Is it a good service?  Any known problems/lock-ins?
>
> Generally I'd just mount a remote volume but iPad/iPhone don't have a
> standard file system metaphor yet.
>
>-- Owen
>
>
>
> 
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[FRIAM] Dropbox

[Owen Densmore]

I'm going to Italy for a month and would like to use the Dropbox storage system 
.. there's an iPad/iPhone app that makes it easy to use.  I'm leaving my laptop 
at home.

Is it a good service?  Any known problems/lock-ins?

Generally I'd just mount a remote volume but iPad/iPhone don't have a standard 
file system metaphor yet.

-- Owen




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Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox .. anyone tried it yet?

[Saul Caganoff]

I have 3 machines hooked up to dropbox - Linux and windows. And have
had no problems, but only very light usage.

If they do start charging then would revert to Webdav.

Regards,
Saul

On 11/28/08, Owen Densmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I finally downloaded and started to play with it.  I was a bit
> discouraged with its commercialism .. it is a "service" after all, and
> the install crashed my computer!  So in un-installed it and started
> looking at more use of some of my favorite equivalent programs:
>
> 1 - Mac has a drop box built in, if you have a webdav interface
> available on your web hosting service.  Mine (joyent.com) does:
> bingodisk.  For $19/yr I get a 10GB webdav datastore.  Using the
> finder's Go->Connect To Server lets me have a standard finder window
> onto my bingodisk.
>
> 2 - Several non-finder solutions exist.  One Don Begley introduced me
> to was ExpanDrive, which uses ftp/sftp, and produces the same finder
> file/volume interface.  It does not yet support webdav.
>
> 3 - Just use most FTP clients, which often have scripts for drag/
> drop.  Transmit, for example, has demo applescripts, one of which is a
> droplet program.
>
>  -- Owen
>
>
> On Nov 27, 2008, at 12:06 PM, M Suazo wrote:
>
>> Not yet - it looks intriguing, but the
>>
>> "Dropbox reserves the right, at any time, to change or impose fees for
>> access to and use of the Site, Content, Files and/or Services."
>>
>> language in their ToS  is
>> somewhat
>> disconcerting...
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Owen Densmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone tried Dropbox:
>>> http://www.getdropbox.com/
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dropbox_(storage_provider)>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> It looks interesting but I wonder how well it all works.  Backup is
>>> becoming more interesting nowadays with things like the Apple Time-
>>> Machine
>>> and the terabyte Time-Capsule.  Maybe this'll be an interesting
>>> alternative.
>>>
>>>   -- Owen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox .. anyone tried it yet?

[Owen Densmore]

I finally downloaded and started to play with it.  I was a bit  
discouraged with its commercialism .. it is a "service" after all, and  
the install crashed my computer!  So in un-installed it and started  
looking at more use of some of my favorite equivalent programs:


1 - Mac has a drop box built in, if you have a webdav interface  
available on your web hosting service.  Mine (joyent.com) does:  
bingodisk.  For $19/yr I get a 10GB webdav datastore.  Using the  
finder's Go->Connect To Server lets me have a standard finder window  
onto my bingodisk.


2 - Several non-finder solutions exist.  One Don Begley introduced me  
to was ExpanDrive, which uses ftp/sftp, and produces the same finder  
file/volume interface.  It does not yet support webdav.


3 - Just use most FTP clients, which often have scripts for drag/ 
drop.  Transmit, for example, has demo applescripts, one of which is a  
droplet program.


-- Owen


On Nov 27, 2008, at 12:06 PM, M Suazo wrote:


Not yet - it looks intriguing, but the

"Dropbox reserves the right, at any time, to change or impose fees for
access to and use of the Site, Content, Files and/or Services."

language in their ToS  is  
somewhat

disconcerting...

Mark

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Owen Densmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



Has anyone tried Dropbox:
http://www.getdropbox.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dropbox_(storage_provider)


It looks interesting but I wonder how well it all works.  Backup is
becoming more interesting nowadays with things like the Apple Time- 
Machine
and the terabyte Time-Capsule.  Maybe this'll be an interesting  
alternative.


  -- Owen




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Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox .. anyone tried it yet?

[M Suazo]

Not yet - it looks intriguing, but the

"Dropbox reserves the right, at any time, to change or impose fees for
access to and use of the Site, Content, Files and/or Services."

language in their ToS  is somewhat
disconcerting...

Mark

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Owen Densmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Has anyone tried Dropbox:
>  http://www.getdropbox.com/
>  
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dropbox_(storage_provider)
>
> It looks interesting but I wonder how well it all works.  Backup is
> becoming more interesting nowadays with things like the Apple Time-Machine
> and the terabyte Time-Capsule.  Maybe this'll be an interesting alternative.
>
>-- Owen
>
>
>
> 
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[FRIAM] Dropbox .. anyone tried it yet?

[Owen Densmore]

Has anyone tried Dropbox:
  http://www.getdropbox.com/
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dropbox_(storage_provider)

It looks interesting but I wonder how well it all works.  Backup is  
becoming more interesting nowadays with things like the Apple Time- 
Machine and the terabyte Time-Capsule.  Maybe this'll be an  
interesting alternative.


-- Owen




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