Re: web site design thread
Hi Dominik! On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 10:46:20AM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: > Goal: Make a shiny new site for the celebration and keep the > news up to date. Ahm, what is "shiny" in your eyes? Do you have examples on how it could look like? IMHO all a good site needs is an easy navigation. More than two clicks to get what you want is too much. If you ask me: I like the current fvwm.org page somehow. It looks so ... settled :) No, not shiny. CU André -- Never laugh at live dragons. -- Bilbo Baggins [J.R.R. Tolkien, "The Hobbit"] -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 11:07:26AM +0100, Andre Bonhote wrote: > Hi Dominik! > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 10:46:20AM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > Goal: Make a shiny new site for the celebration and keep the > > news up to date. > > Ahm, what is "shiny" in your eyes? Do you have examples on how it could > look like? No, and I'd rather stay out of this because I have no web design skills at all. But we definitely need something more fancy for the birthday. > IMHO all a good site needs is an easy navigation. More than two clicks > to get what you want is too much. If you ask me: I like the current > fvwm.org page somehow. It looks so ... settled :) No, not shiny. I don't think the current site is too bad. But it has some *very* ugly colour combinations like the pink titles on gray background. Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 11:19:35AM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: > On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 11:07:26AM +0100, Andre Bonhote wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 10:46:20AM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > > Goal: Make a shiny new site for the celebration and keep the > > > news up to date. > > > > Ahm, what is "shiny" in your eyes? Do you have examples on how it could > > look like? > > No, and I'd rather stay out of this because I have no web design > skills at all. But we definitely need something more fancy for > the birthday. Umh, maybe you're right about the webdesign skills, but still, you will have sites you like and sites you dislike. Interesting would be a number of sites you like, as you're one of the main developers here. > > IMHO all a good site needs is an easy navigation. More than two clicks > > to get what you want is too much. If you ask me: I like the current > > fvwm.org page somehow. It looks so ... settled :) No, not shiny. > > I don't think the current site is too bad. But it has some *very* > ugly colour combinations like the pink titles on gray background. Dominik, be honest: Does the default configuration fvwm2 comes with look beautiful in your opinion? I mean, if you have a nice and shiny website, you should maybe think about using another default config for future releases. I know, this is OT, but it just came to my mind. Would it be possible to have the website look like fvwm2? Or/and have fvwm2 by default look like the website? This is maybe crazy, but, yeah! why not? Just an idea. I really do _not_ like the default look of fvwm2. I could imagine that a new user would be quite shocked ... (sorry to the creator of that "theme", but it's my taste). CU A. -- Steinbach's Guideline for Systems Programming: Never test for an error condition you don't know how to handle. -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 11:21:26AM +0100, Andre Bonhote wrote: > On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 11:19:35AM +0100, Dominik Vogt wrote: > Dominik, be honest: Does the default configuration fvwm2 comes with look > beautiful in your opinion? I mean, if you have a nice and shiny website, > you should maybe think about using another default config for future > releases. That's what I have said for years. The default config makes new users run off screaming in panic. But let's move this topic out of this thread. > I know, this is OT, but it just came to my mind. Would it be possible to > have the website look like fvwm2? Or/and have fvwm2 by default look like > the website? This is maybe crazy, but, yeah! why not? I had the same idea. A web page surrounded by a themable window border, with the menu in the title bar :-) Would be fitting for a window manager. Or perhaps with a pager to navigate the sub pages? > Just an idea. I really do _not_ like the default look of fvwm2. I could > imagine that a new user would be quite shocked ... (sorry to the creator > of that "theme", but it's my taste). Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Andre Bonhote wrote: > I know, this is OT, but it just came to my mind. Would it > be possible to have the website look like fvwm2? Actually I have thought of this already. Making a web design which uses parts of fvwm screenshots should not been that difficult ;-) > Or/and have fvwm2 by default look like > the website? This is maybe crazy, but, yeah! why not? Uwe -- Uwe Pross mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
Dominik Vogt writes: > I don't think the current site is too bad. But it has some *very* > ugly colour combinations like the pink titles on gray background. The background should appear more black than gray. Perhaps the contrast setting on your monitor is low. I prefer the stone look to plain black, just to add some interest, but I have seen the background appear a pretty light gray on some monitors. It doesn't look that way on mine. Does cyan look better than pink? Both look good to me, but the cyan looks a little better. I'll change it if you like it better. I think the background has to be either black or white. To be readable against a range of colors these are the only 2 colors that have a chance of working. I really prefer the dark background since I don't like shining a bright light into my eyes. Does anyone have small public domain images of birthday decorations that could be used as a page frame? -- Dan Espen E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 07:57:48AM -0500, Dan Espen wrote: > Dominik Vogt writes: > > I don't think the current site is too bad. But it has some *very* > > ugly colour combinations like the pink titles on gray background. > > The background should appear more black than gray. > Perhaps the contrast setting on your monitor is low. > > I prefer the stone look to plain black, just to add some > interest, but I have seen the background appear a pretty light > gray on some monitors. It doesn't look that way on mine. Since I play some computer games that are very dark, I have set contrast and brightness to the maximum. I'm not against a slightly grained background, but as it is it looks like its nibbling on the text. The body of the pages looks very cleanis, but I dislike the page titles (colours and fonts) and specifically the old fvwm logo - it makes me scream everytime I look at it. It's simply amateurish. As much as I dislike frames, the frame-less site we have looks somewhat like the content is leaking out of the pages. The text lines are too long on some pages. I really like the idea to give the site a 'window' layout with a title bar and a border (perhaps only on the top and the left): +--+ <- screen |++| || News | CVS | | Themes || <- titlebar with |++|- left buttons || |- right buttons || General description |- page title || | |+ | || | || Latest News | || | |+ | || | || Rest of page| || | ... || | || | +--+ Uwe has a button on his site to switch the page theme. Wouldn't this make a great interactive show-off of some fvwm features? There would be a button to cycle through the available themes with a link to download the theme config to put in your .fvwm2rc :-) > Does cyan look better than pink? > Both look good to me, but the cyan looks a little better. > I'll change it if you like it better. I don't think it's a matter of colour. > I think the background has to be either black or white. > To be readable against a range of colors these are the only 2 > colors that have a chance of working. Plus some very dark blue, cyan and gray tones and light grays, close to white. The contrast between pure black and white is too extreme. > I really prefer the dark background since I don't like shining > a bright light into my eyes. Me too. > Does anyone have small public domain images of birthday decorations > that could be used as a page frame? Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Dominik Vogt wrote: > Wouldn't this make a great interactive show-off of some > fvwm features? There would be a button to cycle through > the available themes with a link to download the theme > config to put in your .fvwm2rc :-) This is great idea. To get an idea I replaced the corner pictures from my web site against some in fvwm style: http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm.php?layout=layout_fvwm_demo The pictures were taken from the fvwm-theme homepage. The navigation menu on the left site could be drawn with pictures from a fvwm menu - but this takes a little bit more time to set up. Uwe -- Uwe Pross mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 03:18:16PM +0100, Uwe Pross wrote: > On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > > Wouldn't this make a great interactive show-off of some > > fvwm features? There would be a button to cycle through > > the available themes with a link to download the theme > > config to put in your .fvwm2rc :-) > > This is great idea. > > To get an idea I replaced the corner pictures from my web > site against some in fvwm style: > > http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm.php?layout=layout_fvwm_demo :-D With some effort > The pictures were taken from the fvwm-theme homepage. The > navigation menu on the left site could be drawn with > pictures from a fvwm menu - but this takes a little bit > more time to set up. Let's work out the window frame idea first. Perhaps the pager would make an excellent new type of menu, giving a graphical representation of the web site layout :-) Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
Dominik Vogt writes: > Since I play some computer games that are very dark, I have set > contrast and brightness to the maximum. Try Kobo Deluxe. Its not dark, and its the only game you'll ever play. (Well maybe not.) > I'm not against a > slightly grained background, but as it is it looks like its > nibbling on the text. Probaby due to your settings. The texture is supposed to be subtle. > The body of the pages looks very cleanis, > but I dislike the page titles (colours and fonts) The fonts are your default fonts. We don't set any fonts. > and specifically > the old fvwm logo - it makes me scream everytime I look at it. > It's simply amateurish. I used the old logo because it was the default banner in FvwmBanner. I never switched to the new banner because I think it looks really bad in comparison. I'd like to resolve both issues. -- Dan Espen E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 11:46:22AM -0500, Dan Espen wrote: > Dominik Vogt writes: > > Since I play some computer games that are very dark, I have set > > contrast and brightness to the maximum. > > Try Kobo Deluxe. Its not dark, and its the only game you'll > ever play. (Well maybe not.) Ever played Thief? :-) > > I'm not against a > > slightly grained background, but as it is it looks like its > > nibbling on the text. > > Probaby due to your settings. The texture is supposed to be > subtle. I asked a colleague and he did not even notice the background was not pure black from a distance of about 1.5 metres. Maybe my eyes are especially sensitive to dim colours. I thought the background was too bright right from the start. > > The body of the pages looks very cleanis, > > but I dislike the page titles (colours and fonts) > > The fonts are your default fonts. We don't set any fonts. Mozilla default fonts, then. THe Serifs are too pronounced for my liking. But setting our own fonts is probably not worth the trouble. > > and specifically > > the old fvwm logo - it makes me scream everytime I look at it. > > It's simply amateurish. > > I used the old logo because it was the default banner in FvwmBanner. > I never switched to the new banner because I think it looks really > bad in comparison. I guess we don't need to know exactly which of the two looks worse. The reasoning for the current FvwmBanner logo was "everything is better than the old one". That does not imply much quality in the new one. ;-) > I'd like to resolve both issues. Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Dominik Vogt, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 11:46:22AM -0500, Dan Espen wrote: > > Dominik Vogt writes: > > The fonts are your default fonts. We don't set any fonts. > > Mozilla default fonts, then. THe Serifs are too pronounced for my > liking. But setting our own fonts is probably not worth the > trouble. Setting our own fonts would be a major mistake, (in my opinion). The choice should be on the client side. I never saw any point to Serifs. Theoretically, they increase readability, but I don't get it. In mozilla, its easy to pick: edit->preferences->appearance->fonts->proportional->sans serif -- Dan Espen E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
Hi there, I have put a first version under development of the fvwm homepage on my webspace: http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm_web_site/ This version is uncompleted. Currently there is only one page available. I put it online to show what I am going to do. I plan to add a pager in the top left corner and either a fvwm menu or an icon manager containing sub links below it. I think about putting a TaskBar on top of the page which shows the location of the actual site relative to the fvwm home page like +-- | fvwm home -> documentations -> man pages -> FvwmButtons +-- I rewrote my php-scripts that all links are kept relative now. It is so possible to generate the whole html-tree and put it on the fvwm-server without any modifications (hopefully). This needs only to be done if your web server does not support php - What I don't know yet. I implemented a couple of functions which insert the window decorations as seen on the demo site. They can be used in each fvwm-page and will depend on the actual style e.g.: will insert a table line containing a window decoration which has "Fvwm Home Page" in title. Maybe we need to discuss the structure of the web tree. My first suggestion is: Home (This site) | +- News (As it is now) | +- Features | +- Download | | | +- Fvwm Packages | +- fvwmrcs | +- vectorbuttons | +- icons | +- sounds | +- Screenshots | | | +- Window decorations | +- menus | +- desktops | +- Documentations | | | +- man pages | | | | | +- fvwm +- | +- may be other docs faqs (cvs) | +- Contact (Mailing list addresses) | +- Links | +- (Other infos ?) Authors? Maybe from Home Any suggestions are welcome :-) Regards, Uwe -- Uwe Pross mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 10:59:03AM +0100, Uwe Pross wrote: > Hi there, > > I have put a first version under development of the fvwm > homepage on my webspace: > > http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm_web_site/ Nice. It gives a good idea of how it could look like. Just to have something to compare it to: could you make another version that draw the window title and the left border around the whole page? (I.e. "page looks like a desktop" vs. "page looks like a window".). I think I slightly prefer the "window" layout since it would look more structured, but it's hard to say without seeing it first. > This version is uncompleted. Currently there is only one > page available. I put it online to show what I am going to > do. It's fine to start with. We have to keep in mind that we need a nice design for the *front page* on 1st of June. Everything else can wait a little bit longer. Don't spend a lot of time on the other pager before we have agreed on the basic looks. > I plan to add a pager in the top left corner and either > a fvwm menu or an icon manager containing sub links below > it. > I think about putting a TaskBar on top of the page > which shows the location of the actual site relative to the > fvwm home page like Argh! No way! No taskbars on fvwm web pages! Yuck! :-) > +-- > | fvwm home -> documentations -> man pages -> FvwmButtons > +-- > > I rewrote my php-scripts that all links are kept relative > now. It is so possible to generate the whole html-tree and > put it on the fvwm-server without any modifications > (hopefully). This needs only to be done if your web server > does not support php - What I don't know yet. > > I implemented a couple of functions which insert the window > decorations as seen on the demo site. They can be used in > each fvwm-page and will depend on the actual style e.g.: > > > > will insert a table line containing a window decoration > which has "Fvwm Home Page" in title. > > Maybe we need to discuss the structure of the web tree. My > first suggestion is: Looks good, but don't nest it unnecessarily. For example, there is no need to sort everything remotely related to documentation under "Documentation". We can as well keep the old two sections, one with developer info and one with man pages. I suggest about ten to fifteen links/buttons on the front page. This is not too much for the eye and gives a good granulatiry. With more buttons it becomes confusiong (see http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/ for an example) and with too few you have to click too often. Oh, by the way, keyboard navigation (tab) on the page is mandatory. > Home (This site) > | > +- News (As it is now) > | > +- Features > | > +- Download > | | > | +- Fvwm Packages > | +- fvwmrcs > | +- vectorbuttons > | +- icons > | +- sounds > | > +- Screenshots > | | > | +- Window decorations > | +- menus > | +- desktops > | > +- Documentations > | | > | +- man pages > | | | > | | +- fvwm > +- > | +- may be other docs faqs (cvs) > | > +- Contact (Mailing list addresses) > | > +- Links > | > +- (Other infos ?) > > Authors? Maybe from Home > > Any suggestions are welcome :-) Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
Hi there, On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Dominik Vogt wrote: > Nice. It gives a good idea of how it could look like. > Just to have something to compare it to: could you make > another version that draw the window title and the left > border around the whole page? (I.e. "page looks like a > desktop" vs. "page looks like a window".). I think I > slightly prefer the "window" layout since it would look > more structured, but it's hard to say without seeing it > first. Like http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm_web_site/index.php?layout=window ? > It's fine to start with. We have to keep in mind that we > need a nice design for the *front page* on 1st of June. > Everything else can wait a little bit longer. Don't > spend a lot of time on the other pager before we have > agreed on the basic looks. That's ok. The hardest part will be to find the right layout ;-) Pages are only derived from this layout file. > Argh! No way! No taskbars on fvwm web pages! Yuck! :-) ;-) I thought making the web like a screenshot. For example: http://fvwm-themes.sourceforge.net/screenshots/full/spruce.gif (My idea was to show as much fvwm features as possible and use them in the web design way:) > Looks good, but don't nest it unnecessarily. For > example, there is no need to sort everything remotely > related to documentation under "Documentation". We can > as well keep the old two sections, one with developer > info and one with man pages. I suggest about ten to > fifteen links/buttons on the front page. This might be to much for the Icon-Style-Buttons I used now. Especially if you view the page on small desktops. i.e. 800x600: http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm_web_site/index.php?layout=16buttons I have planed to put a "quick" navigation on each page, so that you don't have to use the back button of your browser. This quick navigation with Icons should contain at most 8 links. Or we may use another style to present the links i.e. FvwmIconManager. On the top/start page it might be useful to provide additional some "direct links". > This is not too much for the eye and gives a good > granulatiry. With more buttons it becomes confusiong > (see http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/ for an > example) and with too few you have to click too often. There too much links on this navigation ;-) > Oh, by the way, keyboard navigation (tab) on the page is > mandatory. This should depend on your browser. With mozilla you can switch to the links with tab. I have not tried other browsers yet. (I can do that at home.) Regards, Uwe -- Uwe Pross mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 01:34:27PM +0100, Uwe Pross wrote: > Hi there, > > On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > > Nice. It gives a good idea of how it could look like. > > Just to have something to compare it to: could you make > > another version that draw the window title and the left > > border around the whole page? (I.e. "page looks like a > > desktop" vs. "page looks like a window".). I think I > > slightly prefer the "window" layout since it would look > > more structured, but it's hard to say without seeing it > > first. > > Like > http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm_web_site/index.php?layout=window > ? Almost. Can you remove the bottom and right border of the outer frame too? > > It's fine to start with. We have to keep in mind that we > > need a nice design for the *front page* on 1st of June. > > Everything else can wait a little bit longer. Don't > > spend a lot of time on the other pager before we have > > agreed on the basic looks. > > That's ok. The hardest part will be to find the right > layout ;-) Pages are only derived from this layout file. > > > Argh! No way! No taskbars on fvwm web pages! Yuck! :-) > > ;-) > I thought making the web like a screenshot. For example: > http://fvwm-themes.sourceforge.net/screenshots/full/spruce.gif > (My idea was to show as much fvwm features as possible and > use them in the web design way:) Yes, I got that :-) BUt we should keep in mind that the page must still be easy to navigate. We must not drown the surfer in graphical gimmicks that make it hard to find the information she is looking for. > > Looks good, but don't nest it unnecessarily. For > > example, there is no need to sort everything remotely > > related to documentation under "Documentation". We can > > as well keep the old two sections, one with developer > > info and one with man pages. I suggest about ten to > > fifteen links/buttons on the front page. > > This might be to much for the Icon-Style-Buttons I used now. > Especially if you view the page on small desktops. i.e. 800x600: > > http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm_web_site/index.php?layout=16buttons Yes, that's too confusing. But that is a specific problems of the "desktop icons menu" style. In the end we should probably have some structure with the links in one, maybe two vertical columns. Everything else is too difficult to read (so forget my idea of putting the menu items in the title bar). How about a WindowList like layout: +---+ |[i] Home | |[i] Download | |[i] Developer Info | |[i] Man Pages | |[i] Screen shots | ... | | +---+ The [i]s are some mini icons, but it's probably easier to read without them. And one suggestion about the site layout: Screen shots and configs should be in the same place so you can say "I want the config for this shot". > I have planed to put a "quick" navigation on each page, so > that you don't have to use the back button of your browser. > This quick navigation with Icons should contain at most 8 > links. Or we may use another style to present the links > i.e. FvwmIconManager. On the top/start page it might be > useful to provide additional some "direct links". > > > This is not too much for the eye and gives a good > > granulatiry. With more buttons it becomes confusiong > > (see http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/ for an > > example) and with too few you have to click too often. > > There too much links on this navigation ;-) > > > Oh, by the way, keyboard navigation (tab) on the page is > > mandatory. > > This should depend on your browser. With mozilla you can > switch to the links with tab. I have not tried other > browsers yet. (I can do that at home.) No need to check all browsers. I just wanted to mention that the pages must allow it (not like Shockwave flash menus, etc.). Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Dominik Vogt wrote: > > Like > > http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm_web_site/index.php?layout=window > > ? > > Almost. Can you remove the bottom and right border of the outer > frame too? With difficulties. I use a simple shell script to generate the decoration pictures from a window screenshot or another picture. To see how it works look at: http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm_web_site/index.php?layout=window&border=1 The script cuts 9 pieces out of a pictures which can be remerged in a html-table to make the original picture scalable. +---+ +--+--+--+ | | => +--+--+--+ | | +--+--+--+ +---+ +--+--+--+ So I have to remove the bottom and right border by hand. > > I thought making the web like a screenshot. For example: > > http://fvwm-themes.sourceforge.net/screenshots/full/spruce.gif > > (My idea was to show as much fvwm features as possible and > > use them in the web design way:) > > Yes, I got that :-) BUt we should keep in mind that the page must > still be easy to navigate. We must not drown the surfer in > graphical gimmicks that make it hard to find the information she > is looking for. In my opinion a web site must be designed to provide access to the information one needs as easy as possible. So the first requirement is easy and obvious navigation the second would be a fancy layout to bind the surfer ;-) I will do some examples. Due the php-concept it is quite easy to add and remove parts of a web page. Once you have set them up you can insert them in a page and remove them from it within seconds ;-) > > http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm_web_site/index.php?layout=16buttons > > Yes, that's too confusing. But that is a specific problems of the > "desktop icons menu" style. In the end we should probably have > some structure with the links in one, maybe two vertical columns. > Everything else is too difficult to read (so forget my idea of > putting the menu items in the title bar). > > How about a WindowList like layout: > > +---+ > |[i] Home | > |[i] Download | > |[i] Developer Info | > |[i] Man Pages | > |[i] Screen shots | >... > | | > +---+ > > The [i]s are some mini icons, but it's probably easier to read > without them. Yes. Good idea. I could do an example hopefully by the end of this week. > And one suggestion about the site layout: Screen shots and > configs should be in the same place so you can say "I want the > config for this shot". Yes, that's what I have in mind too. I was also thinking about modular configs which can be included by Read in .fvwm2rc. One could provide config-parts for window decorations, menu styles, module configs and so on. I have set this up at my home computer but not that consequently. It makes changing parts of the fvwm-config quite easy and portable. > No need to check all browsers. I just wanted to mention that the > pages must allow it (not like Shockwave flash menus, etc.). I have to check the pages which different browsers anyway. Every browser displays pages slightly differently. Most of them do not support the whole w3c standard :-( -- Uwe Pross mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 03:14:24PM +0100, Uwe Pross wrote: > On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Dominik Vogt wrote: > In my opinion a web site must be designed to provide access > to the information one needs as easy as possible. So the > first requirement is easy and obvious navigation the second > would be a fancy layout to bind the surfer ;-) Agreed. Perhaps we fvwm developers seem to define "fancy" less colourful that others. A good layout should make it easy to choose between more fancy and less fancy. > > And one suggestion about the site layout: Screen shots and > > configs should be in the same place so you can say "I want the > > config for this shot". > > Yes, that's what I have in mind too. I was also thinking > about modular configs which can be included by Read in > .fvwm2rc. One could provide config-parts for window > decorations, menu styles, module configs and so on. In the best of all possible worlds, it would be possible to generate the theme automatically from fvwm-themes, including the config snippets :-) Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
On Mon, Mar 17 at 13:34+0100 Uwe Pross wrote: > This should depend on your browser. With mozilla you can > switch to the links with tab. I have not tried other > browsers yet. (I can do that at home.) Please don't forget the other browsers, i prefer using dillo or w3m and hate it to start mozilla when a site is unreadable. Apart from that you design look very nice (on mozilla ;). David pgp8TIaFQV3l9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: web site design thread
On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, David Hansen wrote: > > This should depend on your browser. With mozilla you can > > switch to the links with tab. I have not tried other > > browsers yet. (I can do that at home.) > > Please don't forget the other browsers, i prefer using dillo or > w3m and hate it to start mozilla when a site is unreadable. This is a big problem. I have played around this morning with amaya and dillo. Both do not support style-sheets as they where defined. This makes it nearly impossible to describe the page as I did it and have them displayed properly in those browsers. There several ways to cope with this. One could make different versions for different browsers. This is possible only if the web server supports php (or another pre-processor language). Using php and a modular concept this is less work than is sounds. Many professional pages do that. One could find a set of (html)-statements which are fully supported by all browsers. One could use _fixed_ images for decorations. As I said before I used 9 generated images to produce the window layout. This highly depends one the use of style sheets since the images are small and must been repeated by the browser to draw the whole border. If this is not supported by the browser one could use 4 simpler images together with a background color: +--+ +--+ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +--+ +--+ In that case the size of the window remains fixed. And the page will look ugly when the user uses font size or a screen resolution which is far away from that for the page was designed to. You can see this quite often. Most times it is said "This page was designed for a screen resolution of 1024x768". I would not like to do that. One could design the page that it looks good in browser which support the standards and look less fancy in other browsers. One need to ensure in that case that the information on the pages is accessable by the other browsers as well. This can be done by choosing the right background colors which will be displayed by the non-standard browsers. Standard browser will overlay the colors by a background image. Regards, Uwe -- Uwe Pross mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
On Tue, Mar 18 at 9:23+0100 Uwe Pross wrote: > On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, David Hansen wrote: > > > > This should depend on your browser. With mozilla you can > > > switch to the links with tab. I have not tried other > > > browsers yet. (I can do that at home.) > > > > Please don't forget the other browsers, i prefer using dillo or > > w3m and hate it to start mozilla when a site is unreadable. > > This is a big problem. I have played around this morning > with amaya and dillo. Both do not support style-sheets as > they where defined. This makes it nearly impossible to > describe the page as I did it and have them displayed > properly in those browsers. > > There several ways to cope with this. Why not just a link to a "light version" at the top of the page? David pgpOJBxBLhvqR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: web site design thread
Hi there, On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, David Hansen wrote: > > This makes it nearly impossible to describe the page as > > I did it and have them displayed properly in those > > browsers. > > Why not just a link to a "light version" at the top of > the page? I made a new version which uses background pictures only to draw the decorations. Those pictures are not drawn by amaya and dillo so they not shown at all in these browsers. Defining a backgound color as well the site is still visible in amaya and dillo even if it does not look that fancy as in the other browsers. I have also added a menu in fvwm style. Can anybody write a list of fvwm features you would like to be shown on the web site? Uwe -- Uwe Pross mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
On 19 Mar 2003 07:49:26 +0100, Uwe Pross wrote: > > On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, David Hansen wrote: > > > > This makes it nearly impossible to describe the page as > > > I did it and have them displayed properly in those > > > browsers. > > > > Why not just a link to a "light version" at the top of > > the page? > > I made a new version which uses background pictures only to > draw the decorations. Those pictures are not drawn by amaya > and dillo so they not shown at all in these browsers. > Defining a backgound color as well the site is still > visible in amaya and dillo even if it does not look that > fancy as in the other browsers. > > I have also added a menu in fvwm style. I see you work on it right now. I like how it looks in Netscape 3 (without image decorations, but I think it could be nicer than just gray). Please always specify bgcolor in , it is currently not specified in the gradient part. And I think the global page background could be set using , this way it will look nicer on more browsers. > Can anybody write a list of fvwm features you would like to > be shown on the web site? Do you mean the current features.html? It may be updated, but it is ok. Regards, Mikhael. -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Mikhael Goikhman wrote: > I like how it looks in Netscape 3 (without image > decorations, but I think it could be nicer than just > gray). I am quite suprised that is still looks good in netscape3 even if I had some difficulties to get it diplayed properly by the first time I opened it with netscape3. The version which is currently online is about 30 minutes old. I have tried a new version of the script which extracts the sub-pitures from a window screenshot image. The background colors have to be adapted when we have find the right decoration/layout for the page. > Please always specify bgcolor in , > it is currently not specified in the gradient part. Done for most cases ;-) > And I think the global page background could be set using > , this way it will look nicer on more > browsers. You are right. I used stylesheets only till now. The background image in the body tag has been added by now. > > Can anybody write a list of fvwm features you would like to > > be shown on the web site? > > Do you mean the current features.html? It may be updated, > but it is ok. Uups. I have overseen it all times. - My fault. I will use features.html of course. Thanks for the hints. Regards, Uwe -- Uwe Pross mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
Hi there, Two new versions: http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm_web_site/features.php?decoration_path=decorations/window_deco_ice&hilight_color_back=slategray and http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm_web_site Any suggestions are welcome. A shell script to build a set of window decoration pictures can found on http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm_web_site/scripts/crop.sh Regards, Uwe -- Uwe Pross mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
Uwe Pross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Two new versions: > > http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm_web_site/features.php?decoration_path=decorations/window_deco_ice&hilight_color_back=slategray > > and > > http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm_web_site This morning I tried to look at Uwe's designs for the new FVWM Web site, but I just get "404 Dokument nicht gefunden". To see if maybe there was a university-wide problem, I tried backing up to the University's personal home pages directory, and successfully followed the links to a couple of other people's home pages, but http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp (or anything under that) consistently gets a 404 response. I'm still getting a not-found as of about 16:00 EST. Has anyone else been able to view these pages lately? Any idea what's wrong? I discovered yesterday that I'd somehow gotten unsubscribed from the fvwm-workers list a while back, and I'd missed all the discussion on the new Web site design, the logo contest, and the war/licensing issues, so I've been catching up via the archives. I thought I'd take a look at what he's done, and see if I could offer any help, suggestions, or praise, but it's hard to offer any intelligent commentary when I can't see the darn thing. :-( Cheers, Bob -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
Bob Woodside <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Uwe Pross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > > Two new versions: > > http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm_web_site/features.php?decoration_ > path=decorations/window_deco_ice&hilight_color_back=slategray > > > > > and > > > > http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm_web_site > > > This morning I tried to look at Uwe's designs for the new FVWM Web > site, but I just get "404 Dokument nicht gefunden". To see if maybe > there was a university-wide problem, I tried backing up to the > University's personal home pages directory, and successfully followed > the links to a couple of other people's home pages, but > http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp (or anything under that) > consistently gets a 404 response. I'm still getting a not-found as of > about 16:00 EST. Has anyone else been able to view these pages lately? Didn't work for me either. > Any idea what's wrong? Nein. -- Dan Espen E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
Hi Bob! On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Bob Woodside wrote: > This morning I tried to look at your designs for > the new FVWM Web site, but I just get "404 Dokument nicht > gefunden". I tried backing up to the University's > personal home pages directory, and successfully followed > the links to a couple of other people's home pages, but > http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp (or anything under > that) consistently gets a 404 response. Any idea what's > gone wrong? Actually you should have got a 503. At least I got it. Last night the administrators at our university did some maintance on the system which results that parts of the raid array broke competely. Unfortunately my home directory (and about 3000 other homedirs as well) was on this part. It was said to be fixed in a couple of hours from this morning but it seems to take longer since I still got this message. I hope they have fixed it till monday morning. To get you an idea about the actual version of the design I ripped it on my computer at home, converted it to html (It was php before) and put it on http://home.arcor.de/uwe.pross/fvwm_web_site/ (Hope this works better) I have not changed much on the design since last thursday but I hope that I find some time to do further work at this weekend. I want to finish the menu structure, put a pager window in the left upper corner of the page and (Dominik may forgive me :) make a taskbar like navigation path on top of the page which displays the path from fvwm-home page to the actual site. (If the pager or other things on the pages are not wanted they can be removed easily.) Regards, Uwe -- +-- | Uwe Pross |mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp +-- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
Hi Bob! On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, Bob Woodside wrote: > If you'd like, I'd be happy to try to help out with > this project. I've got a fair amount of experience with > HTML, CSS, PHP, and JavaScript. The way business has been > lately, I've been doing more small Web site development > than serious code hacking. You are very welcome. Currently I work alone and I have got not that much time for the project, so I could need some help the get this web site ready in time. Half a year ago I thought about a concept which makes it possible to separate the contents of a web site (almost) completely from its layout. I used it to develop my homepage and offered its use to fvwm. I did a posting to fvwm-workers how it works. Could you please read it to understand the next sayings better? For the fvwm web site I added a php interface which provides access to all layout elements of the web design. For example the file index.php which describes the contents of uses ... contents of the window ... to draw the window decoration. Please have a look in the file layout_default.inc to understand it better. I have put the actual version of the php-files to http://home.arcor.de/uwe.pross/fvwm_web_site/packed.tgz Could you please download it from there, have a look to the files and tell me what you could do? We need to convert the actual fvwm-html to php, finish the actual layout file add some new functions to get a pager and a taskbar/windowlist. Further we might do some new design suggestions. BTW: If we work both on the files we might need to set up a cvs repository somewhere to keep or changes synchronous. Regards, Uwe -- +-- | Uwe Pross |mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp +-- -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
At the moment, I am a bit unhappy with the window like layout. Take a look at http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm_web_site/features.php Is it just me, or does anybody else find the text arranged in windows confusing? I tend to favour the idea to make one big window and arrange the text blocks inside as it was on the old site. Bye Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
Hi there, On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Dominik Vogt wrote: > http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm_web_site/features.php > > Is it just me, or does anybody else find the text > arranged in windows confusing? I tend to favour the idea > to make one big window and arrange the text blocks inside > as it was on the old site. Changed. At the moment I am playing around with the web sites. There are several things I don't like on the current design e.g. the background pixmap and the navigation style. In my opinion the page should be look more like fvwm. I am going the "fix" that step by step. Next step will be switch the current navigation with a FvwmPager naviagtion. Thanks for the comment - it is good to get some feedback. Regards, Uwe -- Uwe Pross mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:31:11 +0100 Dominik Vogt wrote: > At the moment, I am a bit unhappy with the window like layout. > Take a look at > > http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm_web_site/features.php > > Is it just me, or does anybody else find the text arranged in > windows confusing? I tend to favour the idea to make one big > window and arrange the text blocks inside as it was on the old > site. I think we should see where this is heading. Uwe is still playing around with ideas at this point, and I'm all in favor of seeing as many as we can and then deciding what to keep and what not (on the principle of "build one to throw away" prototyping). Personally, I kind of like the desktop emulation layout (as Uwe wrote elsewhere, he's continuing to modify it, and I'd like to see where he goes with it), but we certainly want to avoid going too far in that direction lest we have so many graphical gadgets and gewgaws on the page that it becomes confusing (or even just annoying!) Cheers, Bob -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:49:10 +0100
Uwe Pross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Changed. At the moment I am playing around with the web
> sites. There are several things I don't like on the current
> design
Hooray! I'm glad to see they finally got your directory back online.
I'll take a look at your php files later today or this evening.
The one thing I noticed right away is that you probably want to make
some changes to accommodate register_globals = off (the default setting
in PHP 4.2, for security reasons) - e.g., in place of the lines that
read
$requested_file = basename($PHP_SELF);
you'd want to do something like this:
if (PHP_VERSION < 4.1) {
$requested_file = basename($HTTP_SERVER_VARS[PHP_SELF]);
} else {
$requested_file = basename($_SERVER[PHP_SELF]);
}
(and $HTTP_SERVER_VARS has to be declared global).
Since I can make piddling little changes like this in less time than it
takes to describe them, I think we ought to look into putting this stuff
in CVS. Is it feasible to make a special test website directory on the
FVWM CVS server that doesn't get pulled into distributions? Do you have
CVS access, by the way? (I'm just thinking of this as a convenient
source repository, I'm not suggesting that we hook the test pages into
the FVWM Web server, even as temporary undocumented URL's.) Or is there
a better place to do it?
Oh, and I didn't notice whether we got a reply to the question of
whether we have PHP currently on our server. Jason, do we, and if so,
what release?
Cheers,
Bob
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Re: web site design thread
Hi Bob,
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Bob Woodside wrote:
> Hooray! I'm glad to see they finally got your
> directory back online.
;-)
> I'll take a look at your php files later today or
> this evening.
>
> The one thing I noticed right away is that you
> probably want to make some changes to accommodate
> register_globals = off (the default setting in PHP 4.2,
> for security reasons) - e.g., in place of the lines that
> read
>
> $requested_file = basename($PHP_SELF);
>
> you'd want to do something like this:
>
> if (PHP_VERSION < 4.1) {
> $requested_file = basename($HTTP_SERVER_VARS[PHP_SELF]);
> } else {
> $requested_file = basename($_SERVER[PHP_SELF]);
> }
>
> (and $HTTP_SERVER_VARS has to be declared global).
All files are intended for php3. It is running at my
university and at my computer at home. But it should be not
a problem to switch to php4. I thought if the sites are
runable with php3 they should run with version 4 as well. I
restricted myself to use version 3 for porting purposes.
Before we put the files online we have to think about
security issues. Thats why I use the function sec_filename
for example.
> Since I can make piddling little changes like this
> in less time than it takes to describe them, I think we
> ought to look into putting this stuff in CVS.
Yes, that's right.
> Is it feasible to make a special test website directory
> on the FVWM CVS server that doesn't get pulled into
> distributions? Do you have CVS access, by the way?
No, I don't.
> (I'm just thinking of this as a convenient source
> repository, I'm not suggesting that we hook the test
> pages into the FVWM Web server, even as temporary
> undocumented URL's.) Or is there a better place to do it?
Just in case, I have sent a project request to
sourceforge.net for a modular webdesign project. It was
said to be answered within two days.
Regards, Uwe
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Re: web site design thread
Jason, can you please enable php stuff in apache running on fvwm.org? If you don't know what to do for this, you may ask here. I think there is a consensus that the web design of Uwe is good and we may try to go with it (the exact look is configurable by a visitor). Since it uses php files not html we may keep both old and new designs for a month or two without conflicts. We should grant write permissions to Uwe to update fvwm-web cvs. Uwe, you may send your encrypted password to Jason. BTW, if you place new design pages in the fvwm-web cvs (say, index.php), it will be automatically available in php enabled site: http://fvwm.sf.net/index.php The old (current) design is as usual at: http://fvwm.sf.net/ Regards, Mikhael. -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
Hi there, On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Uwe Pross wrote: > There are several things I don't like on the current > design e.g. the background pixmap and the navigation > style. In my opinion the page should be look more like > fvwm. I am going the "fix" that step by step. Next step > will be switch the current navigation with a FvwmPager > naviagtion. I have got the first version of the pager navigation online. I did some major changes on the design. I have checked it with mozilla, netscape, opera, dillo, amaya and lynx. The pages look similar and reasonable good in all browsers. The algorithm which selects the pages which are shown in the pager has not been finished yet. I am going to make the pager that it shows the path back to the home site and to the subpages of the actual page as well. I would be happy if I get some feetback about the design, colors and pictures. All comments are welcome. Regards, Uwe -- Uwe Pross mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
Hi there, On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Bob Woodside wrote: > I'll take a look at your php files later today or this > evening. I found a bug last night in the php files I have packed in the last tar archive. There was a problem with the variable $rel_path and its usage. It happend that the file "definitions.inc" was included within a function what never should be happen. I have fixed that. The version you have downloaded may therefore be faulty. I packed the files of the actual version together: http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp/fvwm_web_site/fvwmweb_250303.tgz Regards, Uwe -- Uwe Pross mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~uwp -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: web site design thread
> "MG" == Mikhael Goikhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: MG> Jason, can you please enable php stuff in apache running on MG> fvwm.org? If you don't know what to do for this, you may ask here. I'm stuck in version hell at the moment (PHP requires some version of OpenSSL while other packages require different versions) so I'm going move the web services to another machine. This should be done this evening. MG> We should grant write permissions to Uwe to update fvwm-web MG> cvs. Uwe, you may send your encrypted password to Jason. I've received his password, it's getting set up now. - J< -- Visit the official FVWM web page at http://www.fvwm.org/>. To unsubscribe from the list, send "unsubscribe fvwm-workers" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To report problems, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
