Re: Ti Book overheating problem (again)

[Mark_PHILIP]

My goodness, is it that hot?
I remember it being rather hot when I used a PBG4 667MHz, but it wasn't
uncomfortable or anything.
If your unit is still under warranty, why not bring it into Apple to have
them take a look at it?

Regards,
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Re: Ti Book overheating problem (again)

[Laurence - SMT Tricept]

Mark_PHILIP wrote:

>Try using something to raise the rear of the PowerBook G4 up.
>You could use 2 large rubber erasers and place them underneath
>the rear feet of the PowerBook.

I have two "NKV Plastrader" art.no. 135.20 erasors propping up the
back. They have been used for about a year. Could they be worn out?!

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Re: wall street (?) floppy problem

[Jon Glass]

on 11/25/02 10:08 AM, Mark Walker at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> os9.1 at the moment - have tried reinstalling it without making a
> difference + tried both formatted and unformatted disks

Have you tried turning of the File Exchange control panel extensions? I
don't remember if there is an extension or two with the control panel or
not. I used to have floppy freezing problems on an older OS, and it was
always related to PC Exchange. I can't say it will work, but if floppies
start to work again... :-)
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Re: Insurance Coverage on BeerBooks et al

[Geoffrey Loeffler]

On Monday, Nov 25, 2002, at 05:50 US/Alaska, K wrote:

> EXCUSE ME???  THEFT???  The damage occurred during the prevention of 
> greater
> damage to my home...A police report was filed and the adjuster ( a 
> Nationwide
> employee rather than an independent adjustment firm, BTW)  had 
> absolutely NO
> problem with the claim..   They could very easily have rejected the 
> claim but my
> actions prevented a much more expensive claim...

This is not theft and is very offensive to call it that, but it seems 
some lads have special privileges in the sand box.
FWIW First for getting up to see what the problem was you were being a 
good citizen and second intelligent to make sure your insurance policy 
included coverage for expensive computer equipment
 The policy has clear limits, if you were anywhere near not meeting 
the limits of the policy you can be sure your your claim would have 
been denied. It does not matter what a bunch of coffee drinking buddies 
sitting down on a job think, or posters on a list for that matter, it 
is the insurance companies decision based on a legal document between 
you and the insurance company. In fact some insurance companies 
specialize in computer theft and accidents a niche market but fills the 
need.
 Your situation was clearly an accident and that is exactly what 
insurance covers, accidents. This is not finding a loophole. You paid 
premiums for just this possibility, probably higher ones as the 
coverage was good. Now unfortunately it is time to collect fairly what 
is covered. Unfortunately you will not replace what you had, you will 
only get partial replacement. Filing a legitimate claim does not drive 
up rates, it is factored in as part of doing business, a tax write off 
for the Insurance company. There is no controversy here. No scam, no 
fraud, no immoral actions, just a legal contract and a honest good 
citizen.
Some of the more ridiculous points about throwing the computer at the 
perpetrators head, well first that would probably would not be covered 
by your insurance and unless you were in grievous fear of your life 
then the person throwing the computer could be arrested for assault, 
yes dumb I agree. Grabbing a 9 mm to investigate a problem outside, 
well you better read up on your gun laws. Only in the instance of you 
again fearing for your life, with no other avenue of escape can you 
point the gun, let alone use deadly force with a gun. I do support the 
right to bear arms, but you better know when and how you can use a 
weapon. I listened to a lawyer in class for 3 days explain when you 
could and could not use deadly force, which does not make me an expert, 
but clearly use of force with a firearm it is very limited and 
litigious.
Insuring a expensive computer is a wise choice or at least one that 
should be brought up, too bad anyone with a view not agreed on the 
list, by a few, get such harsh treatment, throwing slurring innuendoes 
because they disagree. That's not being a team player and again just 
makes people not want to support this community because they may be 
flamed for a question. But then we just have to look where it comes 
from. Healthy disagreement is good but people should not be insulted, 
we have enough of that in this world.
Mike you did a brave thing and I am glad you got some compensation for 
the damages caused by the accident, the thieves were caught and nobody 
was hurt, and if no one else will apologize to you for your treatment 
here I will and do. It is just wrong to insult people for asking a 
question or doing a good thing.
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Re: Ti Book overheating problem (again)

[Mark_PHILIP]

Hi Lawrence,
Try using something to raise the rear of the PowerBook G4 up. You could use
2 large rubber erasers and place them underneath the rear feet of the
PowerBook. That will allow some circulation of air in the rear side, hence
lowering the temperature a little. I believe the Coolpad also does the same
thing, albeit with more finesse...

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We were talking about the heat generation from my Ti Book, and I
wanted to add to the discussion that the main culprit is having the
mains charger left plugged in.

If I unplug it when the battery if full, the temperature drops by quite
a lot, but if I leave it in even when the battery is full the back of the
base, below the screen gets very hot.

I use it as a desktop unit for 8-12 hours per day, so having to
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Re: Pismo "Pink Screen" Question

[Doug Behr]

--- Tivo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have been looking at trading up from a PDQ (300)
> to a Pismo.
> > 
> > The only thing that slows me down here are the
> stories of "pink screen"
> > syndrome on the Pismo form factor.  Let's assume I
> buy a Pismo and it
> > develops "pink screen."  Is this something that
> you notice for only a dew
> > moments after startup?  Does it permanently ruin
> the computer?
> > 
> > Any comments from owners would be welcome and
> thanks!
> 
> Ck -- http://www.macintouch.com/pinkpismolcd.html


I had two screen problems with my Pismo in the first
year of ownership.

First one column of pixels went bad (green stripe) 6
months after getting the machine back (with a new
screen), I got 'pink screen'.  Over the course of a
week it got worse and affected open documents,
desktop, drop-down menus - everything.

I had the screen replaced (again) under warranty and I
haven't had a problem since (18 months).

fingers crossed

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Re: Insurance Coverage on BeerBooks et al

[Justin]

Loonie = 1$
Toonie = 2$

(a Loonie has a Loon [the bird] on the back)

-J

On Monday, November 25, 2002, at 10:00 PM, K wrote:

> HHHMMM...I thought a Toonie was a lesser relative of the Canadian 
> loonie..
>
> On a more serious note, I seem to have stirred up a hornet's nest
> here...There was absolutely no attempt to defraud anyone...I reported
> truthfully to the police and to the ins. co as to exactly what 
> happened...I
> asked the agent if it was covered and he referred it to the co. 
> adjuster..HE
> gave me a claim # and proceeded to process it within about 10 days or 
> so..My
> understanding is that it was covered because it occurred as  an adjunct
> event  to a property crime.
> BTW obiwan...what "friends" say they will do often changes at crunch
> time...depends on whose ox is being gored...
> Also..your "joe' filing a false police report is committing a 
> crime...At NO
> point did I request to be compensated...just asked if it was...the ins 
> co
> made the decision to pay...I really didn't think that it would be
> covered..The only stupid question is the unasked one...There are many 
> cases
> where a consumer thought that they broke something and it turns out 
> that the
> item was defective to begin with but the defect was under a "secret
> warranty/recall" by the manufacturer..If it's your item and you dont 
> ask
> about it...well, it's your loss I guess...
> All I was trying to do was shed a little light on the subject and urge
> people to be sure they had sufficient coverage of their computer 
> property...
>
> Later,
> Mike K


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Re: Insurance Coverage on BeerBooks et al

[Justin]

touché

-J

On Monday, November 25, 2002, at 07:23 PM, sean weijand wrote:


A Toonie is only a couple of cents, isn't it?? Or is that just it's
purchasing power?

sean




my toonie. (i think my opinion is worth more than a couple cents ;)

-J



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Re: Insurance Coverage on BeerBooks et al

[K]

HHHMMM...I thought a Toonie was a lesser relative of the Canadian loonie..

On a more serious note, I seem to have stirred up a hornet's nest
here...There was absolutely no attempt to defraud anyone...I reported
truthfully to the police and to the ins. co as to exactly what happened...I
asked the agent if it was covered and he referred it to the co. adjuster..HE
gave me a claim # and proceeded to process it within about 10 days or so..My
understanding is that it was covered because it occurred as  an adjunct
event  to a property crime.
BTW obiwan...what "friends" say they will do often changes at crunch
time...depends on whose ox is being gored...
Also..your "joe' filing a false police report is committing a crime...At NO
point did I request to be compensated...just asked if it was...the ins co
made the decision to pay...I really didn't think that it would be
covered..The only stupid question is the unasked one...There are many cases
where a consumer thought that they broke something and it turns out that the
item was defective to begin with but the defect was under a "secret
warranty/recall" by the manufacturer..If it's your item and you dont ask
about it...well, it's your loss I guess...
All I was trying to do was shed a little light on the subject and urge
people to be sure they had sufficient coverage of their computer property...

Later,
Mike K

weijand wrote:

> A Toonie is only a couple of cents, isn't it?? Or is that just it's
> purchasing power?
>
> sean
>
> >
> > my toonie. (i think my opinion is worth more than a couple cents ;)


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Re: Insurance Coverage on BeerBooks et al

[sean weijand]

A Toonie is only a couple of cents, isn't it?? Or is that just it's 
purchasing power?

sean


>
> my toonie. (i think my opinion is worth more than a couple cents ;)
>
> -J


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Re: Insurance Coverage on BeerBooks et al

[Justin]

wasnt going to get into this one.but figured i might as well.

i think whats going on, is people are making it an issue of morality, 
less so much a legality. if a company agrees to pay you for your 
neglect or clumsiness, thats their right to do so, its their business, 
and if their policy allows for it, then don't worry about it.
if you make up some story about a robber coming in and dropping it on 
his way out the door.its still a matter of the company deciding 
whether or not its within their policy to provide reimbursement, but 
then you run into mr. hanson's point, being the morality of it...is it 
correct to use insurance which is intended to provide for crimes and 
'acts of "god"' to cover your neglect?
im leaning towards the legal aspect. if the company provides for it, 
given a truthful claim, theres no problem. if it was a problem, they 
wouldnt pay you.

my toonie. (i think my opinion is worth more than a couple cents ;)

-J

On Monday, November 25, 2002, at 06:15 PM, sean weijand wrote:

>   As long as you tell the insurance company exactly what happened, then
> they are able to do with that info as they wish. if they cover you
> great, if not, not great, either way no fraud as far as i can see.
>
> sean


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Re: Insurance Coverage on BeerBooks et al

[sean weijand]

  As long as you tell the insurance company exactly what happened, then 
they are able to do with that info as they wish. if they cover you 
great, if not, not great, either way no fraud as far as i can see.

sean




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Re: Insurance Coverage on BeerBooks et al

[John Haumann]

On Monday, November 25, 2002, at 03:41 PM, Obi-Wan wrote:

> I asked a group of my friends and co-workers this morning and *all* of 
> them
> thought that it was an accident on your part and that your insurance 
> company
> should not be held responsible.  My friend Theo stated that if you had 
> used
> the powerbook as a weapon and hurled it at the vandals/burglers then he
> thought that it should be covered, but since you just dropped it 
> rushing out
> to investigate it was your fault and you should be responsible for it.
>

Sometimes we put a little too much stock into what we (and our friends) 
think.  I'm wondering if anyone took the time to look at one or two 
insurance contracts?

The contract specifies what are termed "covered perils" upon which the 
premium rates for that particular coverage are structured.  It matters 
not what you or I think it should or shouldn't say, or whether you or I 
agree with what it does say, but rather what the contract specifies.  
If we disagree with the terms, we can choose to join a different pool 
of insured by buying a different contract, possibly from a competing 
insurer.  Different contracts have different specifications (and, very 
likely, different pricing).  Contracts that include "stupid people 
tricks" among it's covered perils will likely be priced higher than a 
similar contracts whose owners need to be more responsible.  In the 
case of insurance contracts, you pay for the coverage you get (in the 
specifications).  Whether a claim is or isn't filed (for a covered 
peril) is up to the individual.  That's the way it works.  Insurance 
companies simply offer products with features that customers seem to 
want -- and are willing (or gullible enough) to pay for -- and the 
product is priced accordingly.

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Re: Burn Windows CD on iBook?

[Sque]

John Haumann wrote:

>>50 odd programs to make and burn iso's, betcha "they" can.
>>
>All 50 can burn hybrid disks???  My, oh my.
>  
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LOL, good point, would you believe one or two?



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Re: Burn Windows CD on iBook?

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On Monday, November 25, 2002, at 03:11 PM, Sque wrote:

>>
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> 50 odd programs to make and burn iso's, betcha "they" can.
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All 50 can burn hybrid disks???  My, oh my.

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Re: Insurance Coverage on BeerBooks et al

[Obi-Wan]

On 11/25/02 6:50 AM, "K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the Cybertrough:

> EXCUSE ME???  THEFT???  The damage occurred during the prevention of greater
> damage to my home...A police report was filed and the adjuster ( a Nationwide
> employee rather than an independent adjustment firm, BTW)  had absolutely NO
> problem with the claim..   They could very easily have rejected the claim but
> my actions prevented a much more expensive claimI find your reasoning to
be irrational, to say the least...that's what insurance is for...it was NOT
> intentional, it WAS an accident..so if you are stupid enough to park your
> vehicle on a street and it is stolen, by your reasoning you shouldn't be able
> to file a claim because your mental deficiency  is responsible for the
> theft...BTW...The vandals were later apprehended because I was able to provide
> a license plate off of their vehicle...it also cleared a series of vandalism
> reports...

I asked a group of my friends and co-workers this morning and *all* of them
thought that it was an accident on your part and that your insurance company
should not be held responsible.  My friend Theo stated that if you had used
the powerbook as a weapon and hurled it at the vandals/burglers then he
thought that it should be covered, but since you just dropped it rushing out
to investigate it was your fault and you should be responsible for it.

> I have respected your extensive contribution to the list, but I feel that in
> this case, as well as in a recent discussion, you over-stepped the bounds of
> civility and I would respectfully request an apology..
 
I did not call *you* a thief.  All I said was that is seemed a bit like
theft.  Insurance fraud is a huge problem in this country.

Lets say that some normal "joe" accidentally dropped his laptop and cracked
the LCD.  What's to stop him from making up a story that "my house was being
broken into, and I leaped up and dropped my powerbook" on a whim.  He could
then call the police and file a report, without anyone ever having been
there, take the padded estimate and go to eBay and buy a Pismo.

I have no doubt that your story is true, I am just illustrating a point.
But since another list member stated that insurance companies will pay for
an "act of stupidity" then I guess whatever!  All the others whose
premiums go up as a result of people filing claims like that one will no
doubt be happy as well.

The way I was raised would not allow me to do that.  I accept responsibility
for my actions.  Even if I was doing a noble thing by stopping a rash of
home vandalisms, I would not have filed a claim for dropping my laptop on my
way to the door.  I guess it's just me.
 
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[Sque]

Bruce Johnson wrote:

>The only CD format available in 10.2 is a hybrid that works with both 
>Macs and PC's. So burn away. (Betcha *they* can't do that!)
>  
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Re: Wallstreet screen and Jaguar

[sean weijand]

My Wallstreet II does not do this now that I have finally got OS X 10.2 
installed, BUT, on start-up the startup screen seems to be some kind of 
cross between OS X 10.1 happy mac and the spinning icon of 10.2. The 
spinning icon is also not rendered(?) correctly kind of like the screen 
colours/resolution were off.


sean


On Monday, November 25, 2002, at 12:02 PM, Van Turner wrote:

> Hi all,
> My WallStreet's screen turns funny colors - vertically banded colors - 
> when
> I shut down in Jaquar. Doesn't do it in OS 9.2. And the hard drive 
> whines
> when shutting down Jaguar. Again, doesn't do it in OS 9.2.
> I have a 20GB Fujitsu hard drive partitioned into 8MB (7 and change 
> after
> format) for Jaguar and the rest for OS 9.2. The machine has 320MB RAM 
> and a
> MacAlly USB (USB 1.1) card.
> Can anyone tell me if this is normal?
> Thanks in advance.
> -- 
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> 300Mhz Series II WallStreet
> 320MB RAM
> 20GB hard drive
> Mac OS 10.2
>
>
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Re: Wallstreet screen and Jaguar

[Tony Simons]

On Monday, November 25, 2002, at 08:29  pm, Laurent Daudelin wrote:

> On 25/11/02 15:02, "Van Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> My WallStreet's screen turns funny colors - vertically banded colors 
>> - when
>> I shut down in Jaquar. Doesn't do it in OS 9.2. And the hard drive 
>> whines
>> when shutting down Jaguar. Again, doesn't do it in OS 9.2.
>> I have a 20GB Fujitsu hard drive partitioned into 8MB (7 and change 
>> after
>> format) for Jaguar and the rest for OS 9.2. The machine has 320MB RAM 
>> and a
>> MacAlly USB (USB 1.1) card.
>> Can anyone tell me if this is normal?
>> Thanks in advance.
>> -- 
>> PowerBook G3
>> 300Mhz Series II WallStreet
>> 320MB RAM
>> 20GB hard drive
>> Mac OS 10.2
>
> Back when I had my Wallstreet (PDQ) 300, I was running 10.1 and never
> noticed this behavior. So, I don't think that this is normal. Can't 
> say what
> is wrong, though, specially as you note, it doesn't exhibit this under 
> 9.

My Wallstreet 300 experiences the same screen behaviour under 10.2.2
It didn't under 10.2. No hard drive whines though.


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Re: Pismo "Pink Screen" Question

[Tivo]

> I have been looking at trading up from a PDQ (300) to a Pismo.
> 
> The only thing that slows me down here are the stories of "pink screen"
> syndrome on the Pismo form factor.  Let's assume I buy a Pismo and it
> develops "pink screen."  Is this something that you notice for only a dew
> moments after startup?  Does it permanently ruin the computer?
> 
> Any comments from owners would be welcome and thanks!

Ck -- http://www.macintouch.com/pinkpismolcd.html

My screen has been pink in the corners and botchy elsewhere upon starting
for most of this year, but the pink disappears after a short warm-up. It
hasn't affected function. I've had some dire predictions from some folks
(usually the folks that do repairs and screen-changes), but haven't acted on
any change yet. 

I intend to make a move to a newer iBook probably -- when the time is right,
and I just hope that the Pismo keeps humming and defies screen demise until
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Re: Wallstreet screen and Jaguar

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 25/11/02 15:02, "Van Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all,
> My WallStreet's screen turns funny colors - vertically banded colors - when
> I shut down in Jaquar. Doesn't do it in OS 9.2. And the hard drive whines
> when shutting down Jaguar. Again, doesn't do it in OS 9.2.
> I have a 20GB Fujitsu hard drive partitioned into 8MB (7 and change after
> format) for Jaguar and the rest for OS 9.2. The machine has 320MB RAM and a
> MacAlly USB (USB 1.1) card.
> Can anyone tell me if this is normal?
> Thanks in advance.
> -- 
> PowerBook G3
> 300Mhz Series II WallStreet
> 320MB RAM
> 20GB hard drive
> Mac OS 10.2

Back when I had my Wallstreet (PDQ) 300, I was running 10.1 and never
noticed this behavior. So, I don't think that this is normal. Can't say what
is wrong, though, specially as you note, it doesn't exhibit this under 9.

-Laurent.
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Re: Mac OS 9 & OS X partitions ???

[Laurence - SMT Tricept]

Laurent Daudelin wrote:

>If your disk is completely empty

It will be as I have to repartition the drive etc.
---
>you might want to start installing OS 9 first, then boot
>from the OS X installer CD and install OS X.

That's what I was thinking about.  :-)


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Wallstreet screen and Jaguar

[Van Turner]

Hi all,
My WallStreet's screen turns funny colors - vertically banded colors - when
I shut down in Jaquar. Doesn't do it in OS 9.2. And the hard drive whines
when shutting down Jaguar. Again, doesn't do it in OS 9.2.
I have a 20GB Fujitsu hard drive partitioned into 8MB (7 and change after
format) for Jaguar and the rest for OS 9.2. The machine has 320MB RAM and a
MacAlly USB (USB 1.1) card.
Can anyone tell me if this is normal?
Thanks in advance.
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20GB hard drive
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Re: Mac OS 9 & OS X partitions ???

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 25/11/02 14:55, "Laurence - SMT Tricept" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Laurent Daudelin wrote:
> 
>>> 7GB Mac OS X and OS X apps
>>> 3GB Mac OS 9.2.2 and Classic apps
>>> 10GB for data
> 
>> I think that's a good setup.
> 
> What about in which order they go???
> 
> Should the OS X or the OS 9 come first ?

If you were installing on an older PowerBook (Wallstreet), you would have to
install OS X within the first 8 GB of the disk, but other than that, I can't
see any reason of installing one before the other. If your disk is
completely empty, you might want to start installing OS 9 first, then boot
from the OS X installer CD and install OS X.

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Re: Mac OS 9 & OS X partitions ???

[Hal]

On Monday, November 25, 2002, at 11:49 AM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:

> On 25/11/02 14:46, "Laurence - SMT Tricept" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>
>> I have got a 20GB hard drive on my PowerBook G4 Titanium 500MHz
>> and I am thinking about partitioning it as follows:
>>
>> 7GB Mac OS X and OS X apps
>> 3GB Mac OS 9.2.2 and Classic apps
>> 10GB for data
>>
>> I don't want to run Classic in OS X which is why I am prepared to
>> have a seperate Mac OS 9 partition.
>>
>> Are there any good or bad things about this setup ?
>
> I think that's a good setup. It keeps OS X and OS 9 on separate 
> partitions,
> so if, for any reason, you need to re-install one or the other, you 
> don't
> have to install both. Your data would also be safe. All in all, that's 
> my
> preferred way of partitioning for both OS X and 9.
>
>
I should note, though, that you don't have to have them in separate 
partitions to use them separately. You can have OS9 and OSX on the same 
partitions and just boot one or the other...

having things on separate partitions does improve data security in a 
crash though. I have all myy OSX and OS9 stuff in s single partition, 
and I have a separate smaller partition with OS9 as an emergency boot 
partition. If you make that the first partition on the drive, you an 
force it to boot by holding down D when the computer starts up. That 
way you can force either OSX or OS9 to boot, depending on your needs.

-Hal


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Re: Mac OS 9 & OS X partitions ???

[Laurence - SMT Tricept]

Laurent Daudelin wrote:

> > 7GB Mac OS X and OS X apps
> > 3GB Mac OS 9.2.2 and Classic apps
> > 10GB for data

>I think that's a good setup.

What about in which order they go???

Should the OS X or the OS 9 come first ?



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Re: Mac OS 9 & OS X partitions ???

[Laurence - SMT Tricept]

Laurent Daudelin wrote:

> > 7GB Mac OS X and OS X apps
> > 3GB Mac OS 9.2.2 and Classic apps
> > 10GB for data

>I think that's a good setup.

I thought about this with the inevitable reinstallations and some of the
effects of reinstalling one OS with the other present...

Are the sizes ok ?


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Re: Mac OS 9 & OS X partitions ???

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 25/11/02 14:46, "Laurence - SMT Tricept" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have got a 20GB hard drive on my PowerBook G4 Titanium 500MHz
> and I am thinking about partitioning it as follows:
> 
> 7GB Mac OS X and OS X apps
> 3GB Mac OS 9.2.2 and Classic apps
> 10GB for data
> 
> I don't want to run Classic in OS X which is why I am prepared to
> have a seperate Mac OS 9 partition.
> 
> Are there any good or bad things about this setup ?

I think that's a good setup. It keeps OS X and OS 9 on separate partitions,
so if, for any reason, you need to re-install one or the other, you don't
have to install both. Your data would also be safe. All in all, that's my
preferred way of partitioning for both OS X and 9.

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[Laurence - SMT Tricept]

I have got a 20GB hard drive on my PowerBook G4 Titanium 500MHz
and I am thinking about partitioning it as follows:

7GB Mac OS X and OS X apps
3GB Mac OS 9.2.2 and Classic apps
10GB for data

I don't want to run Classic in OS X which is why I am prepared to
have a seperate Mac OS 9 partition.

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Re: *Entourage, iCal, or Palm Desktop?

[John Beringer]

I like the Entourage/iCal combo. E-mail in Entourage, which I find easier
and more practical but not faster than Eudora, and my calendar appointments
in iCal. What I like about iCal is the possibility to create and 'publish'
web-based calendars so that anyone, with any system, can go and view them.

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> What are folks on the list currently using as a calendar/address book? I'm
> looking at moving from Entourage to iCal/Address Book with iSync since I
> have .mac. Is this a good move? Or should I give Palm Desktop 4 for OSX a
> look-see? BTW, I want to be able to sync my Pismo with a Palm IIIxe and a G3
> desktop. What will I gain and what will I lose? I still want to use
> Entourage for email because Apple's mail doesn't do everything I need it to
> do right now. Can I easily "connect" the contacts in Entourage with calendar
> events in the other apps?
> 
> Thanks,
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Re: Entourage, iCal, or Palm Desktop?

[Amber Rhea]

On Monday, November 25, 2002, at 11:58 AM, (G-Books) wrote:

> What are folks on the list currently using as a calendar/address book?

I use Now Up-to-Date and Contact. I like iCal but NUTD still has some 
features that iCal lacks.

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Re: Insurance Coverage on BeerBooks et al

[csean]

on 11/25/02 17:58, G-Books at [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote:

>> Please, tell me you aren't serious. Insurance companies don't lose
>> money.
> 
> You are correct. They just keep raising rates so everyone helps bear the
> cost of insurance fraud. We lose; the insurance companies do not.
> 
> Does that make you feel any better?
> 
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Re: Insurance Coverage on BeerBooks et al

[P . F . Grenier]

On Monday, Nov 25, 2002, at 12:10 US/Eastern, Dan Knight wrote:

> P.F.Grenier writes:
>
>> Please, tell me you aren't serious. Insurance companies don't lose
>> money.
>
> You are correct. They just keep raising rates so everyone helps bear 
> the
> cost of insurance fraud. We lose; the insurance companies do not.
>
> Does that make you feel any better?
>
>

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Re: powerbook opinion

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 25/11/02 12:10, "Dan Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip!]
> Count me among them. Best solution: I now use a wireless mouse and
> keyboard at home.
> 

I'd like to know which one you're using (the mouse). I've tried the
Intellimouse wireless for some time, but was not able to get used to the
delay that was happening every time the mouse was going to sleep...

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Re: Jaguar unstable: right-clicking

[Kevin Stevens]

On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Amber Rhea wrote:

> > It doesn't happen with my Logitech Optical Wheel Mouse, Jaguar, and IE
> > 5.2.2/iChat.  I'm using a Pismo 500, but I suspect the difference is
> > that I'm not using any Logitech drivers or software; just the mouse
> > plugged in on the Jaguar base build.  Works fine.
>
> Well, it can't be that, because I was not using any Logitech drivers and it
> was happening. I downloaded the Logitech drivers because I thought they
> might fix the problem. I used this same mouse with no additional drivers
> under 10.1.5 for months with no problems... so it must be something
> particular to Jaguar (I'm running 10.2.2). Not a huge deal, but I'd just
> like to get to the bottom of it!

I'm the responder above; to clarify,  10.2.2 here as well, all updates
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Re: Entourage, iCal, or Palm Desktop?

[Bruce Johnson]

Laurent Daudelin wrote:
> On 25/11/02 11:04, "Ryan Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
>>What are folks on the list currently using as a calendar/address book? 
> 
> I'm keeping all my contacts and appointments/to-dos in my Apple Newton
> MessagePad 2100!
> 

Ha! Laurent beat me to it...I'm using my Newton 130..

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Re: Burn Windows CD on iBook?

[Bruce Johnson]

Marty Lindower wrote:
> Hi all-
> 
> Has OS X.2 suddenly taken away the option to burn a Windows compatible
> CD? I had thought that when you insert a blank CDR, my iBook would ask what
> format I wanted the disk in, but it doesn't anymore (as OS 9 used to on my
> PB). How can I burn a disk with some files for my Pee-Cee friends? Help
> Viewer is mute on the subject.

The only CD format available in 10.2 is a hybrid that works with both 
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Re: powerbook opinion

[Dan Knight]

Jeremy Derr writes:

>> 1) G3 Processor as opposed to the G4 Processor - not really much of a
>> difference at this stage, as many applications do not take advantage 
>> of the Altivec instruction set in the G4.
>
>Altivec is not the only difference between the G4 and G3. Generally 
>speaking, a G4 is a faster processor at the same clock speed ... not by 
>much, but the difference is there. The G4 system also has a faster 
>system bus than the iBook, IIRC, and supports more memory (max 640MB in 
>iBook, max 1GB in G4).

Let's not get confused comparing apples and oranges, CPUs and the 
computers they go in.

When the G4 was first introduced, benchmark after benchmark found it was 
no faster than the G3 -- until they created benchmarks that used the 
AltiVec version of Photoshop, etc. In that era, unless you used Photoshop 
or did video editing, the G4 had no advantage over the G3.

Both processors have evolved since then. Today they each have an on-chip 
level 2 cache that runs at full CPU speed. They support faster bus 
speeds. And there have been other minor tweaks as well. Todays G3 and G4 
performance can not be directly equated with the differences back when 
the G4 first shipped.

But the big change came with Mac OS X, the first Mac OS to use the 
"velocity engine" by default. At this point, I would hesitate to 
recommend buying a new G3 model if you ever plan to run OS X. AltiVec 
makes that much difference with Aqua -- or at least it did before Quartz 
Extreme.

Looking at the computers themselves, if you would benefit from the 
additional screen real estate, the ability to have a second monitor, or 
Mac OS X, seriously consider the PowerBook G4.

If 1024x768 is fine, you don't need screen spanning, and you don't intend 
to migrate to OS X (or do, but don't need the best performance), the 
iBook is a stunning value.

Issues such as system bus pale in comparison to things like video chips, 
drive speed, screen resolution, etc. Those are the real world differences 
that impact your ongoing use of the computer far more than a 25% 
difference in bus speed.

>this has nothing to do with US-vs-Non-US... some people even here in 
>the states have reported static on the case - just gander over at 
>MacInTouch.

Count me among them. Best solution: I now use a wireless mouse and 
keyboard at home.


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Re: Insurance Coverage on BeerBooks et al

[Dan Knight]

P.F.Grenier writes:

>Please, tell me you aren't serious. Insurance companies don't lose 
>money.

You are correct. They just keep raising rates so everyone helps bear the 
cost of insurance fraud. We lose; the insurance companies do not.

Does that make you feel any better?


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Re: Entourage, iCal, or Palm Desktop?

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 25/11/02 11:04, "Ryan Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What are folks on the list currently using as a calendar/address book? I'm
> looking at moving from Entourage to iCal/Address Book with iSync since I
> have .mac. Is this a good move? Or should I give Palm Desktop 4 for OSX a
> look-see? BTW, I want to be able to sync my Pismo with a Palm IIIxe and a G3
> desktop. What will I gain and what will I lose? I still want to use
> Entourage for email because Apple's mail doesn't do everything I need it to
> do right now. Can I easily "connect" the contacts in Entourage with calendar
> events in the other apps?

I'm keeping all my contacts and appointments/to-dos in my Apple Newton
MessagePad 2100!

-Laurent.
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Re: Entourage, iCal, or Palm Desktop?

[Nick]

I've tried iCal, imail and whatnot but have gone back to Entourage.  As much
as I want to stay away from MS products...I find Entourage to be a much
better all-in-one solution for managing my contact lists, do e-mail and
track my schedule...

Just my 2 cents worth...

N

on 11/25/02 11:04 AM, Ryan Lee at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> What are folks on the list currently using as a calendar/address book? I'm
> looking at moving from Entourage to iCal/Address Book with iSync since I
> have .mac. Is this a good move? Or should I give Palm Desktop 4 for OSX a
> look-see? BTW, I want to be able to sync my Pismo with a Palm IIIxe and a G3
> desktop. What will I gain and what will I lose? I still want to use
> Entourage for email because Apple's mail doesn't do everything I need it to
> do right now. Can I easily "connect" the contacts in Entourage with calendar
> events in the other apps?
> 
> Thanks,
> Ryan


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Entourage, iCal, or Palm Desktop?

[Ryan Lee]

What are folks on the list currently using as a calendar/address book? I'm
looking at moving from Entourage to iCal/Address Book with iSync since I
have .mac. Is this a good move? Or should I give Palm Desktop 4 for OSX a
look-see? BTW, I want to be able to sync my Pismo with a Palm IIIxe and a G3
desktop. What will I gain and what will I lose? I still want to use
Entourage for email because Apple's mail doesn't do everything I need it to
do right now. Can I easily "connect" the contacts in Entourage with calendar
events in the other apps?

Thanks,
Ryan

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Re: Insurance Coverage on BeerBooks et al

[Keith Ronan]

It's going to be one of those Mondays I think on the web:-0




Keith




On 11/25/02 9:50 AM, "K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> EXCUSE ME???  THEFT???  The damage occurred during the prevention of greater
> damage to my home...A police report was filed and the adjuster ( a Nationwide
> employee rather than an independent adjustment firm, BTW)  had absolutely NO
> problem with the claim..   They could very easily have rejected the claim but
> my
> actions prevented a much more expensive claimI find your reasoning to be
> irrational, to say the least...that's what insurance is for...it was NOT
> intentional, it WAS an accident..so if you are stupid enough to park your
> vehicle on a street and it is stolen, by your reasoning you shouldn't be able
> to
> file a claim because your mental deficiency  is responsible for the
> theft...BTW...The vandals were later apprehended because I was able to provide
> a
> license plate off of their vehicle...it also cleared a series of vandalism
> reports...
> I have respected your extensive contribution to the list, but I feel that in
> this case, as well as in a recent discussion, you over-stepped the bounds of
> civility and I would respectfully request an apology..
> Regards,
> Mike K
> 
> Obi-Wan wrote:
> 
>> On 11/25/02 1:12 AM, "K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the Cybertrough:
>>> ...Heard noise outside, ran to the door
>>> and dropped the 550...  The display cracked and some stuff came loose
>>> inside..submitted a claim to Nationwide, they got an estimate of over $1000
>>> to repair it so they sent me a check for $985 (after deductible)which I
>>> promptly used towards buying a Pismo on ebay.
>>>   Moral of the story...Make sure that you have an insurance
>>> policy...as an
>>> apt dweller
>> 
>> No offense, but you feel it "OK" to ask your insurance company to pay for
>> something like that?  That seems a bit like theft to me.  Can some other
>> homeowners chime in and tell me that this is the norm?  If I dropped my
>> TiBook I would not look for a loophole of coverage...since it was my mistake
>> and I dropped it.  Even if my home was being broken into, I could still
>> manage to set my laptop down before grabbing my 9mm and going on to
>> investigate.
>> 
>> Now if my home caught on fire while I was away and burned up my
>> laptop...well that would be a different thing.
>> 
> 


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Re: Adding OS 9 Drivers after the fact

[Laurence - SMT Tricept]

Sounds a very interesting subject as I am sure I will one day end
up in exactly the same situation...

I saved this particular mail to read later and may inadvertedly have
thrown away some replies as I've been trying to keep my inbox
reasonably clean (I subscribe to several LEM lists...)

Have I missed anything ?


Laurence



>From: Ryan Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>First the question:
>
>Can I safely add OS9 drivers to my 10.2.2 disk without having to reformat
>the drive? If so, how?
>
>Now the explanation:
>
>When I upgraded to 10.2, I formatted the drive and installed everything
>anew. When it asked if I wanted to add OS9 drivers I said "no" because I
>didn't think I needed OS9 again as I had updated all of my software to OSX.
>Well, for a couple of months I did not need OS9 at all. This weekend I
>discovered a need to open some old WordPerfect files and I needed to keep
>the formatting correct, so I copied the OS9 folder from an old backup and
>installed my old copy of WordPerfect without a hitch in classic. I was able
>to run WordPerfect in classic and make the necessary changes. I couldn't 
>get
>it to print properly from classic so I decided to boot into 9 and do my
>printing. That's when the trouble began.
>
>When I restarted it came up with the blank disk and a question mark. I then
>remembered that the disk had no OS9 drivers and would not boot into 9 but I
>couldn't find a way to reset the startup disk. I couldn't get any key
>combination to force it to boot back into OSX. Booting off the OS9 CD 
>didn't
>work because the hard drive wouldn't mount. Booting off of the OSX install
>CD wouldn't work because I couldn't get access to the drive to make any
>changes. I finally came up with the solution of booting into firewire 
>target
>disk mode because luckily I had access to another Pismo this weekend. I was
>able to boot that computer connected to my computer over firewire, and 
>mount
>my disk on its' desktop. I went to the startup disk system preferences,
>selected the system on my computer, reboot, and it booted up as my 
>computer.
>I shut them both down and then my computer restarted under its' proper OSX
>startup.
>
>In addition to my first question:
>
>What's the best way to boot my computer into OSX to get access to the hard
>drive in case of an emergency? I may not have access to the second computer
>next time.
>
>Observation:
>
>OSX shouldn't allow us to be able to choose OS9 as a startup system if the
>drive has no OS9 drivers on it, or at least run some kind of check and give
>a warning before we commit to the change.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Ryan

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Re: Powerbook opinion

[Lorri Carr]

On Monday, November 25, 2002, Matthew B. Dwyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> I use a Powerbook G4 550, and my fiancee uses an iBook, so I've 
> compared
> them quite a bit. The newer Powerbooks do not have an irda port, but 
> mine
> does, and I love it, especially for synching to my handheld while on 
> the
> road, no need to drag around extra cradles and cords. I also cannot
> overstate the usefulness of the cardbus slot, which gives great
> expandability to the Powerbook. The iBook has neither irda nor cardbus.

The iBook also has but one slot for RAM, and you cannot even put in a 
new hard drive yourself. Its A/V capabilities are limited, too, but it 
is designed as a hyperportable / low end item.

I don't find the cardbus as useful as it once was. Certain cardbus 
items (ex. peripheral hard drive shuttle) cannot be read in OS X. It is 
convenient to transfer digital camera pictures via PCMCIA Compact Flash 
adapter rather than dragging my EasyShare dock on the road. Infrared 
has its uses now, but it will soon be going the way of the Dodo with 
the ascendance of Bluetooth for digicams, camcorders, printers, and 
cell phone/PDA's.

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Re: Insurance Coverage on BeerBooks et al

[csean]

on 11/25/02 14:24, G-Books at [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote:

>> and dropped the 550...  The display cracked and some stuff came loose
>> inside..submitted a claim to Nationwide, they got an estimate of over $1000
>> to repair it so they sent me a check for $985 (after deductible)which I
>> promptly used towards buying a Pismo on ebay.
>> Moral of the story...Make sure that you have an insurance
>> policy...as an
>> apt dweller
> 
> No offense, but you feel it "OK" to ask your insurance company to pay for
> something like that?  That seems a bit like theft to me.  Can some other
> homeowners chime in and tell me that this is the norm?  If I dropped my
> TiBook I would not look for a loophole of coverage...since it was my mistake
> and I dropped it.  Even if my home was being broken into, I could still
> manage to set my laptop down before grabbing my 9mm and going on to
> investigate. 
> 
> Now if my home caught on fire while I was away and burned up my
> laptop...well that would be a different thing.


It all depends on the insurance coverage. Yes, even carelessness can be
covered (heck, even stupidity can be covered). That's why they call it
insurance. You can even insure yourself against claims for excessive
violence and lost future earnings from thieves (or their heirs) that you
shoot while they're burgling your house. And you needn't even worry about it
somehow not feeling "OK". Ain't free enterprise great?

Chris H


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Re: Insurance Coverage on BeerBooks et al

[Gene Merritt]

>
>
>>
>>
>
>No offense, but you feel it "OK" to ask your insurance company to pay for
>something like that?  That seems a bit like theft to me.  Can some other
>homeowners chime in and tell me that this is the norm?  If I dropped my
>TiBook I would not look for a loophole of coverage...since it was my mistake
>and I dropped it.  Even if my home was being broken into, I could still
>manage to set my laptop down before grabbing my 9mm and going on to
>investigate. 
>
>Now if my home caught on fire while I was away and burned up my
>laptop...well that would be a different thing.
>
>  
>
Obi-Wan

With all due respect , not all of us have (or want) a 9mm around in case 
of such emergencies.
In the case of such kind of intrusion, one does what one has to do. We 
all are different,
as are our responses in this respect. What was done, in this case, was 
both herioc and
resulted in the capture of the criminal, WITHOUT any undue harm or loss 
of life.

This kind of action should be applauded, period!

Gene


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Re: Insurance Coverage on BeerBooks et al

[K]

EXCUSE ME???  THEFT???  The damage occurred during the prevention of greater
damage to my home...A police report was filed and the adjuster ( a Nationwide
employee rather than an independent adjustment firm, BTW)  had absolutely NO
problem with the claim..   They could very easily have rejected the claim but my
actions prevented a much more expensive claimI find your reasoning to be
irrational, to say the least...that's what insurance is for...it was NOT
intentional, it WAS an accident..so if you are stupid enough to park your
vehicle on a street and it is stolen, by your reasoning you shouldn't be able to
file a claim because your mental deficiency  is responsible for the
theft...BTW...The vandals were later apprehended because I was able to provide a
license plate off of their vehicle...it also cleared a series of vandalism
reports...
I have respected your extensive contribution to the list, but I feel that in
this case, as well as in a recent discussion, you over-stepped the bounds of
civility and I would respectfully request an apology..
Regards,
Mike K

Obi-Wan wrote:

> On 11/25/02 1:12 AM, "K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the Cybertrough:
> >...Heard noise outside, ran to the door
> > and dropped the 550...  The display cracked and some stuff came loose
> > inside..submitted a claim to Nationwide, they got an estimate of over $1000
> > to repair it so they sent me a check for $985 (after deductible)which I
> > promptly used towards buying a Pismo on ebay.
> >   Moral of the story...Make sure that you have an insurance
> > policy...as an
> > apt dweller
>
> No offense, but you feel it "OK" to ask your insurance company to pay for
> something like that?  That seems a bit like theft to me.  Can some other
> homeowners chime in and tell me that this is the norm?  If I dropped my
> TiBook I would not look for a loophole of coverage...since it was my mistake
> and I dropped it.  Even if my home was being broken into, I could still
> manage to set my laptop down before grabbing my 9mm and going on to
> investigate.
>
> Now if my home caught on fire while I was away and burned up my
> laptop...well that would be a different thing.
>


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Adding OS 9 Drivers after the fact

[Ryan Lee]

First the question:

Can I safely add OS9 drivers to my 10.2.2 disk without having to reformat
the drive? If so, how?

Now the explanation:

When I upgraded to 10.2, I formatted the drive and installed everything
anew. When it asked if I wanted to add OS9 drivers I said "no" because I
didn't think I needed OS9 again as I had updated all of my software to OSX.
Well, for a couple of months I did not need OS9 at all. This weekend I
discovered a need to open some old WordPerfect files and I needed to keep
the formatting correct, so I copied the OS9 folder from an old backup and
installed my old copy of WordPerfect without a hitch in classic. I was able
to run WordPerfect in classic and make the necessary changes. I couldn't get
it to print properly from classic so I decided to boot into 9 and do my
printing. That's when the trouble began.

When I restarted it came up with the blank disk and a question mark. I then
remembered that the disk had no OS9 drivers and would not boot into 9 but I
couldn't find a way to reset the startup disk. I couldn't get any key
combination to force it to boot back into OSX. Booting off the OS9 CD didn't
work because the hard drive wouldn't mount. Booting off of the OSX install
CD wouldn't work because I couldn't get access to the drive to make any
changes. I finally came up with the solution of booting into firewire target
disk mode because luckily I had access to another Pismo this weekend. I was
able to boot that computer connected to my computer over firewire, and mount
my disk on its' desktop. I went to the startup disk system preferences,
selected the system on my computer, reboot, and it booted up as my computer.
I shut them both down and then my computer restarted under its' proper OSX
startup.

In addition to my first question:

What's the best way to boot my computer into OSX to get access to the hard
drive in case of an emergency? I may not have access to the second computer
next time.

Observation:

OSX shouldn't allow us to be able to choose OS9 as a startup system if the
drive has no OS9 drivers on it, or at least run some kind of check and give
a warning before we commit to the change.

Thanks,

Ryan

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Re: Insurance Coverage on BeerBooks et al

[P . F . Grenier]

On Monday, Nov 25, 2002, at 07:10 US/Eastern, Keith Ronan wrote:

> My cat liked to sit on top of my $800.00 Sony Amplifier that I had in 
> my
> Home Theatre System. One night I heard a very violent popping noise. 
> After
> investigating I realized she had vomited into it while it was on. The
> popping was it shorting out. I had to dry it out and have it cleaned 
> and
> repaired. I never considered having my insurance pay for it. Moral of 
> the
> story...Make sure to buy anti- furball food for your cat and don't 
> scam your
> insurance company if at all possible. :-)
>

Again, how is submitting an honest claim a "scam?"


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Re: Dead Internal Battery on my Pismo?

[Joe Ellis]

The internal battery on your Pismo is there to aid in holding memory
contents during a battery swap and to support some power manager functions.
It is not difficult to replace, if you lift the keyboard and pull the right
side battery or CD drive and look down and to the right of the center of the
machine, it sits right there in plain view. The battery is designed to last
for 4 to 5 years so I doubt that it is the source of problem, but the power
manager may be, so check out the procedure for resetting it. <
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=14449 >

If you decide to replace it; you can order a replacement from <
http://www.pbparts.com > and get instructions on how at the same place.

Joe Ellis
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From: "Bonnie Mellott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "G-Books" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: Dead Internal Battery on my Pismo?


> Unless I got this wrong (which is highly possible),
> doesn't the internal battery keep track of the time if
> the computer's not getting power from the ac adapter
> or the other battery?  You could try letting the power
> drain completely and see if the clock still keeps the
> correct time.
>
> Btw, I've had my pismo for three years and have
> experienced a problem with the question mark.  I
> couldn't even get the hard drive to re-initialize.
> The computer wasn't recognizing it at all, even when I
> started up from the cd.  I bought a new one, stuck it
> in there and everything was fine.  Well, except for
> the fact that I lost a year's worth of pictures from
> my digital camera.  Since then I've been doing backups
> about once a month.  What a valuable but painful
> lesson.  Anyway, I don't know about the external
> battery on yours.  Seems like mine would have died too
> since I've had my computer so long.  Maybe yours is
> just a fluke.  Wonder how difficult it is to replace
> the internal battery.
>
> --- Martin Holland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Can anyone offer any advice on the following
> > problems that I have had on my
> > 400 MHz G3 (Pismo) powerbook?
> >
> > About nine months ago I had to call Apple support
> > because I couldn't get the
> > computer to boot- everytime I tried I got the
> > dreaded "Flashing Question
> > Mark". I was talked through the procedure of hitting
> > the reset button, booting
> > from the CD, etc, etc. Unfortunately I had to end up
> > re-initializing my hard
> > drive, but the computer could boot, and I learned a
> > lesson about backing up
> > important files.
> >
> > This solution seemed to work for about three months
> > however, In the early
> > summer I had the same problem, but I was prepared
> > with a back up, and when I
> > started the procedure, it ended up that my Hard
> > drive had only managed to
> > "unmount" itself somehow- I remounted it, and went
> > on my way.
> >
> > However, in the last month, I have had the same
> > problem on a regular basis.
> > The latest problem now occurs even after I have
> > booted my computer- I will be
> > notified (in the finder) that there has been an
> > error, and that some data
> > might have been lost. I have Re-booted via CD
> > numerous times, both having to
> > re-initialize my hard drive and sometimes being able
> > to save the contents of
> > my hard drive. I have run both Tech Tool Three and
> > Norton Disk Doctor. The
> > usual error that I get is that some files have been
> > corrupted, or that there
> > is a "Catalog B Tree 3 error". I had thought that
> > over the two and a half
> > years of my ownership of my pismo, I had
> > unfortunately somehow done serve
> > damage to my hard drive. I replaced it and thought
> > that that would solve the
> > problem of the Flashing Question Marks.
> >
> > It hasn't.
> >
> > I am now thinking that my internal battery has given
> > up on me. Does anyone
> > have the same thought? Is there an other diagnosis?
> > Please let me know your thoughts on this, I would
> > hate to have to purchase a
> > new computer for the sake of a 12.6 volt battery...
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Martin Holland



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Re: Insurance Coverage on BeerBooks et al

[P . F . Grenier]

On Monday, Nov 25, 2002, at 06:47 US/Eastern, Obi-Wan wrote:

> On 11/25/02 1:12 AM, "K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the 
> Cybertrough:
>> ...Heard noise outside, ran to the door
>> and dropped the 550...  The display cracked and some stuff came loose
>> inside..submitted a claim to Nationwide, they got an estimate of over 
>> $1000
>> to repair it so they sent me a check for $985 (after deductible)which 
>> I
>> promptly used towards buying a Pismo on ebay.
>>   Moral of the story...Make sure that you have an insurance
>> policy...as an
>> apt dweller
>
> No offense, but you feel it "OK" to ask your insurance company to pay 
> for
> something like that?  That seems a bit like theft to me.  Can some 
> other
> homeowners chime in and tell me that this is the norm?  If I dropped my
> TiBook I would not look for a loophole of coverage...since it was my 
> mistake
> and I dropped it.  Even if my home was being broken into, I could still
> manage to set my laptop down before grabbing my 9mm and going on to
> investigate.
>
>

Please, tell me you aren't serious. Insurance companies don't lose 
money.
Homeowners covers accidental damage. If you submit an honest claim and 
they agree to pay where is the controversy?


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Powerbook opinion

[Matthew B. Dwyer]

Hello,

I use a Powerbook G4 550, and my fiancee uses an iBook, so I've compared
them quite a bit. The newer Powerbooks do not have an irda port, but mine
does, and I love it, especially for synching to my handheld while on the
road, no need to drag around extra cradles and cords. I also cannot
overstate the usefulness of the cardbus slot, which gives great
expandability to the Powerbook. The iBook has neither irda nor cardbus.

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Re: wall street (?) floppy problem

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on 25/11/02 04:08, Mark Walker at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> hello
> 
> os9.1 at the moment - have tried reinstalling it without making a
> difference + tried both formatted and unformatted disks
> 
> thanks
> 
> mark
> 
>> on 24/11/02 07:16, Mark Walker at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>>>  hello all
>>> 
>>>  I have an original G3 powerbook, known as a wall street I think? (it
>>>  has a 13 inch screen and no USB ports)
>>> 
>>>  my problem is that whenever I stick a floppy in the (removable)
>>>  floppy drive it just freezes
>>> 
>>>  and if I restart and try the disk again, same problem
>>> 
>>>  any suggestions?
>> 
>> Which OS version? Did you try different floppies?

Must be a problem with the floppy drive itself, then. I don't have one, but
you could maybe try to open it to blow air in it to clean it.

-Laurent.
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Re: Ti Book overheating problem (again)

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 25/11/02 03:59, Laurence - SMT Tricept at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> We were talking about the heat generation from my Ti Book, and I
> wanted to add to the discussion that the main culprit is having the
> mains charger left plugged in.
> 
> If I unplug it when the battery if full, the temperature drops by quite
> a lot, but if I leave it in even when the battery is full the back of the
> base, below the screen gets very hot.
> 
> I use it as a desktop unit for 8-12 hours per day, so having to
> unplug and reconnect it all the time is very boring.
> 
> I use a PowerBook as I also work at home.
> 
> Any suggestions 

Nope, but the more you run on the battery, the more you're wearing them out.
Just a thought...

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Re: Jaguar unstable: right-clicking

[Roger Shufflebottom]

At 8:10 am -0500 25/11/02, Amber Rhea wrote:

>I used this same mouse with no additional drivers
>under 10.1.5 for months with no problems... so it must be something
>particular to Jaguar (I'm running 10.2.2). Not a huge deal, but I'd just
>like to get to the bottom of it!

Have you swapped it for a different device? I'm using a Kensington 
Orbit trackball with OS 10.2.2 and r-click works fine.
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Re: Burn Windows CD on iBook?

[Roger Shufflebottom]

At 7:32 am -0500 25/11/02, Marty Lindower wrote:
>
> Has OS X.2 suddenly taken away the option to burn a Windows compatible
>CD? I had thought that when you insert a blank CDR, my iBook would ask what
>format I wanted the disk in, but it doesn't anymore (as OS 9 used to on my
>PB). How can I burn a disk with some files for my Pee-Cee friends? Help
>Viewer is mute on the subject.

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Re: Jaguar unstable: right-clicking

[Amber Rhea]

on 11/25/02 2:29 AM, G-Books at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Sunday, Nov 24, 2002, at 16:29 US/Pacific, Amber Rhea wrote:
>> I installed Jaguar a few days ago and have been very pleased with it
>> overall. There is a notable speed increase in my iBook 500. One weird
>> thing, though: whenever I right-click or control-click in Internet
>> Explorer, the program crashes ("unexpectedly quit"). I have a Logitech
>> Optical Wheel Mouse. I downloaded the Logitech OS X preference pane (is
>> that the correct term?) as well as the latest version of IE, but it's
>> still happening. It also happens in iChat. So far, other apps seem to
>> be fine. (I can right-click in Netscape with no problems.) This is very
>> odd. Has anyone experienced anything like this?
> 
> It doesn't happen with my Logitech Optical Wheel Mouse, Jaguar, and IE
> 5.2.2/iChat.  I'm using a Pismo 500, but I suspect the difference is
> that I'm not using any Logitech drivers or software; just the mouse
> plugged in on the Jaguar base build.  Works fine.

Well, it can't be that, because I was not using any Logitech drivers and it
was happening. I downloaded the Logitech drivers because I thought they
might fix the problem. I used this same mouse with no additional drivers
under 10.1.5 for months with no problems... so it must be something
particular to Jaguar (I'm running 10.2.2). Not a huge deal, but I'd just
like to get to the bottom of it!

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Re: OS X drivers for Irez PCMCIA Capsure Card available?

[Matt Halter]

On Monday, November 25, 2002, at 12:31  AM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:

> on 25/11/02 00:09, Michael Granado at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have a Pismo with Jaguar. I also have an Irez Capsure Card and would
>> like to import my VHS movies into my Powerbook. Now I know I probably
>> could use OS 9. But I was wondering if there was any 3rd party drivers
>> (or if anyone has gotten it to work for OS X). Any information would be
>> appreciated.
>
> I'd like to know as well, but I'm not holding my breath, since the iRez 
> has
> been discontinued for quite some time and wasn't widely distributed, 
> since
> it was specifically for the PowerBook G3 Series line of laptops...

My understanding is it is OS 9 only.  No intention to develope OS 10 
drivers.
I don't know of any 3rd party drivers.

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Burn Windows CD on iBook?

[Marty Lindower]

Hi all-

Has OS X.2 suddenly taken away the option to burn a Windows compatible
CD? I had thought that when you insert a blank CDR, my iBook would ask what
format I wanted the disk in, but it doesn't anymore (as OS 9 used to on my
PB). How can I burn a disk with some files for my Pee-Cee friends? Help
Viewer is mute on the subject.


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Re: Insurance Coverage on BeerBooks et al

[Keith Ronan]

My cat liked to sit on top of my $800.00 Sony Amplifier that I had in my
Home Theatre System. One night I heard a very violent popping noise. After
investigating I realized she had vomited into it while it was on. The
popping was it shorting out. I had to dry it out and have it cleaned and
repaired. I never considered having my insurance pay for it. Moral of the
story...Make sure to buy anti- furball food for your cat and don't scam your
insurance company if at all possible. :-)



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 11/25/02 6:47 AM, "Obi-Wan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 11/25/02 1:12 AM, "K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the Cybertrough:
>> ...Heard noise outside, ran to the door
>> and dropped the 550...  The display cracked and some stuff came loose
>> inside..submitted a claim to Nationwide, they got an estimate of over $1000
>> to repair it so they sent me a check for $985 (after deductible)which I
>> promptly used towards buying a Pismo on ebay.
>>   Moral of the story...Make sure that you have an insurance
>> policy...as an
>> apt dweller
> 
> No offense, but you feel it "OK" to ask your insurance company to pay for
> something like that?  That seems a bit like theft to me.  Can some other
> homeowners chime in and tell me that this is the norm?  If I dropped my
> TiBook I would not look for a loophole of coverage...since it was my mistake
> and I dropped it.  Even if my home was being broken into, I could still
> manage to set my laptop down before grabbing my 9mm and going on to
> investigate. 
> 
> Now if my home caught on fire while I was away and burned up my
> laptop...well that would be a different thing.


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Re: Insurance Coverage on BeerBooks et al

[Obi-Wan]

On 11/25/02 1:12 AM, "K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the Cybertrough:
>...Heard noise outside, ran to the door
> and dropped the 550...  The display cracked and some stuff came loose
> inside..submitted a claim to Nationwide, they got an estimate of over $1000
> to repair it so they sent me a check for $985 (after deductible)which I
> promptly used towards buying a Pismo on ebay.
>   Moral of the story...Make sure that you have an insurance
> policy...as an
> apt dweller

No offense, but you feel it "OK" to ask your insurance company to pay for
something like that?  That seems a bit like theft to me.  Can some other
homeowners chime in and tell me that this is the norm?  If I dropped my
TiBook I would not look for a loophole of coverage...since it was my mistake
and I dropped it.  Even if my home was being broken into, I could still
manage to set my laptop down before grabbing my 9mm and going on to
investigate. 

Now if my home caught on fire while I was away and burned up my
laptop...well that would be a different thing.

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Re: wall street (?) floppy problem

[Mark Walker]

hello

os9.1 at the moment - have tried reinstalling it without making a 
difference + tried both formatted and unformatted disks

thanks

mark

>on 24/11/02 07:16, Mark Walker at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>  hello all
>>
>>  I have an original G3 powerbook, known as a wall street I think? (it
>>  has a 13 inch screen and no USB ports)
>>
>>  my problem is that whenever I stick a floppy in the (removable)
>>  floppy drive it just freezes
>>
>>  and if I restart and try the disk again, same problem
>>
>>  any suggestions?
>
>Which OS version? Did you try different floppies?
>
>-Laurent.
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Insurance Coverage on BeerBooks et al

[K]

Donald Keenan wrote:

> Is it common for both homeowners AND apartment insurance to cover
> mishaps other than fire or theft
> when it comes to replacing computers?
> How strict is the burden of proof? If someone spills beer, water, etc on
> a computer, this is considered a valid claim?
> This makes me think I should consider apartment insurance.
> Donald
> On Friday, November 22, 2002, at 03:48 PM, Bruce Mitchell wrote:
>
> > So submit a claim to your insurance company and see what happens.
>

Your policy will usually have an electronics and/or computer coverage
rider built in.  Unfortunately, the $$ amt is usually VERY minimal ( about
$100 or so)  You can and should get additional coverage by buying a separate
rider that is fairly inexpensive.  You need to contact the agent and provide
the info..brand, type , value, etc  also very important is that you have
replacement value coverage rather than the normal coverage provided.  This
ensures that you should get the cost of a current equivalent ,or better, if
an original isn't available.  This coverage is also minimally priced and is
well worth it.  I speak from personal experience...
About 1 1/2 yrs ago, my home was vandalized late at night while I
was up
and working on my wife's ThinkPad 550...Heard noise outside, ran to the door
and dropped the 550...  The display cracked and some stuff came loose
inside..submitted a claim to Nationwide, they got an estimate of over $1000
to repair it so they sent me a check for $985 (after deductible)which I
promptly used towards buying a Pismo on ebay.
Moral of the story...Make sure that you have an insurance
policy...as an
apt dweller, your personal possessions are NOT covered by the bldg. owner's
coverage..if there is a fire and your stuff is burned and you don't have
your own renter's policy, you are SOL.  If you are a homeowner, the coverage
is there but minimal..this goes for cameras, coin collections, cash,
collectibles etc UNLESS declared and covered in advance.
Regards and HTH,
Mike K

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Ti Book overheating problem (again)

[Laurence - SMT Tricept]

We were talking about the heat generation from my Ti Book, and I
wanted to add to the discussion that the main culprit is having the
mains charger left plugged in.

If I unplug it when the battery if full, the temperature drops by quite
a lot, but if I leave it in even when the battery is full the back of the
base, below the screen gets very hot.

I use it as a desktop unit for 8-12 hours per day, so having to
unplug and reconnect it all the time is very boring.

I use a PowerBook as I also work at home.

Any suggestions 


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Re: Lombard memory

[csean]

on 11/25/02 08:29, G-Books at [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote:

>>> , is there a problem using the faster PC100-133 in the older G3's or is the
>>> DIMM compatible with the slower speed?
>>> 
>>> 
>> That shouldn't be a problem.
>> 
> 
> So the price difference, pc66 being more expensive, is based on
> availability rather than a physical difference or incompatibility?
> 

PC100 and PC133 ram will work okay in the Lombard (and Wallstreet and
original iMacs), BUT only if it's made according to those Macs'
specifications. i.e., not ALL PC100 and PC133 ram will work in those Macs.

So be sure to buy memory that is specifically advertised as compatible with
those Macs and comes with a free exchange guarantee and lifetime warranty.

Solid online stores that sell this ram include OWC (which offers free
exchange and lifetime warranty)

and Transinternational (do a web search).

Chris H



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Re: Installing OS X 10.2 on Wallstreet Help!

[sean weijand]

Success!
I was able to install without any problems by using my external scsi  
cdrw drive. Other than the OSX 10.2 discs i have never had any trouble  
with my built-in drive so who knows? but am in business now.

tks for your feedback.

sean



On Sunday, November 24, 2002, at 07:36 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:

> on 23/11/02 21:34, S.D. Weijand at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> I am trying to install 10.2 on my Wallstreet II 233mhz, 512, 320mb ram
>> OS 9.1 20 GB  Drive Partitioned with an open partition within the  
>> first
>> 8 GB.
>>
>> When I start-up with the install in my cd drive a cople of things
>> happen.
>>
>> Sometimes when the screen is about to go to the spinning disc under  
>> the
>> apple, the screen gets a bunch of horizontal lines and everything  
>> grinds
>> to halt.
>>
>> sometimes it will get to the blue install screen. The installer window
>> opens and then the installer fails with an "unexpected error" and asks
>> me to reboot.
>>
>> any and all help would be greatly appreciated. I have worn out my
>> fingers looking for some kind of answer.
>
> I agree with the reply from John. If you can, you should try to  
> reformat the
> disk. Then, there is always the possibility that the RAM you added is  
> not
> completely compatible with OS X. There have been numerous reports from
> people having problems installing OS X because of added RAM. I'm  
> guessing
> that you did add a 256 MB to a 64, so that removing the 256 is not  
> really
> practical...
>
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Re: Lombard memory

[Eugene Lee]

On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 02:26:14AM -0500, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
: 
: on 25/11/02 01:21, Sque at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: 
: > Hi, pretty basic question.
: > The earlier G3 series and the newer firewire powerbooks both use
: > SO-DIMMs with the only difference being PC66 and PC100? The older PC66
: > not being compatible in the newer PC100 devices, is there a problem
: > using the faster PC100-133 in the older G3's or is the DIMM compatible
: > with the slower speed?
: 
: That shouldn't be a problem.

It might (I haven't seen anyone posting that they've successfully used
faster RAM on slower machines).  And if it's stacked memory, it will not
be fully recognized by Lombard PowerBooks.


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