Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-14 Thread Tim Hodgson 
On Wed, Oct 13, 2004 at 11:34 pm -0500, Travis Martin wrote:

> If it 
>happens that a tiny fraction of those people use the product to run yet 
>a third OS, like Linux, fine---what do they care? We're talking about 
>an insignificant, from their perspective, number of people. While I 
>feel sure that they aren't going to make any effort whatever to support 
>this (why should they? there's no money in it...) I also can't imagine 
>that they'd make even a tiny effort to keep it from working either. 
>Again, why should they...it's just a tiny fraction of the market. 
>People wanting to run Linux on VPC on a Mac aren't even a nuisance to 
>MS...not even a curiosity.

As far as I understand it, MS's main reason for buying VPC was, as an
earlier poster said, for its virtual server potential - the ability to
run several Windows servers on one machine, possibly on several different
versions of Windows.

Without getting into black helicopters territory, it does seems plausible
that they wouldn't like the idea of someone running a Windows server
thinking "hey, with VPC I could also run linux with Apache on this
machine, instead of paying out for IIS". So there could be a business
case, in their eyes, for disabling linux support.

Anyway, we'll find out :)

TimH


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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-13 Thread Travis Martin 
Well, okay, but my point is that, as it looks to me, their goal was 
likely along the lines of building a product that will allow the 
minority of computer users (us Mac geeks) to run their immensely 
popular OS (Windows) in hopes that they can sell a few units. If it 
happens that a tiny fraction of those people use the product to run yet 
a third OS, like Linux, fine---what do they care? We're talking about 
an insignificant, from their perspective, number of people. While I 
feel sure that they aren't going to make any effort whatever to support 
this (why should they? there's no money in it...) I also can't imagine 
that they'd make even a tiny effort to keep it from working either. 
Again, why should they...it's just a tiny fraction of the market. 
People wanting to run Linux on VPC on a Mac aren't even a nuisance to 
MS...not even a curiosity.

Travis
On Wednesday, October 13, 2004, at 05:24  PM, Frank P. Eigler wrote:
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Travis Martin wrote:
You guys see them black helicopters circling? Lemme see if I've got
this right...MS, one of the richest, most successful companies in
history, is going to go out of their way to keep 1 or 2 % of users
(that would be Linux, etc) of a product (VPC) that is maybe 1 or 2 % 
of
the users of a platform (Mac) that is maybe 10% of computerdom...yeah,
I'm sure they're really burning the midnight oil on that one. Can you
spell "paranoia?"
And *not* making that sort of effort is why (likely) neither you not I 
nor
most of the folks on this list will meet with anywhere near that
"success". Their attention to detail in the realm of programming may 
lack,
but that can't really be said of their marketing.
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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-13 Thread Mikael Byström 
Travis Martin said:

>You guys see them black helicopters circling? Lemme see if I've got 
>this right...MS, one of the richest, most successful companies in 
>history, is going to go out of their way to keep 1 or 2 % of users 
>(that would be Linux, etc) of a product (VPC) that is maybe 1 or 2 % of 
>the users of a platform (Mac) that is maybe 10% of computerdom...yeah, 
>I'm sure they're really burning the midnight oil on that one. Can you 
>spell "paranoia?"

No, but I can spell to "the microsoft way". If MS buys a product I do
expect it to deteriorate. Most MS apps work that way. They suck.


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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-13 Thread Frank P. Eigler 
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Travis Martin wrote:

> You guys see them black helicopters circling? Lemme see if I've got
> this right...MS, one of the richest, most successful companies in
> history, is going to go out of their way to keep 1 or 2 % of users
> (that would be Linux, etc) of a product (VPC) that is maybe 1 or 2 % of
> the users of a platform (Mac) that is maybe 10% of computerdom...yeah,
> I'm sure they're really burning the midnight oil on that one. Can you
> spell "paranoia?"

And *not* making that sort of effort is why (likely) neither you not I nor
most of the folks on this list will meet with anywhere near that
"success". Their attention to detail in the realm of programming may lack,
but that can't really be said of their marketing.
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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-13 Thread Travis Martin 
You guys see them black helicopters circling? Lemme see if I've got 
this right...MS, one of the richest, most successful companies in 
history, is going to go out of their way to keep 1 or 2 % of users 
(that would be Linux, etc) of a product (VPC) that is maybe 1 or 2 % of 
the users of a platform (Mac) that is maybe 10% of computerdom...yeah, 
I'm sure they're really burning the midnight oil on that one. Can you 
spell "paranoia?"

Travis
On Wednesday, October 13, 2004, at 01:16  PM, Larry le Mac wrote:
From: Adam Thayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Well, here is the thing, it would take WORK to break the ability to 
boot Linux and other OSes that they just don't want to spend.
Eh, pardon ?!?
They have all the code for VPC and of course they compile the app,
so it's not too difficult a task for them to make sure that the PC
only boots an M$ OS.
It's not like a real PC where M$ has no control over who can
run what, it's more like Apple. M$ have full control over the
"hardware", simple as that.
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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-13 Thread Larry le Mac 
From: Adam Thayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Well, here is the thing, it would take WORK to break the ability to boot 
Linux and other OSes that they just don't want to spend.
Eh, pardon ?!?
They have all the code for VPC and of course they compile the app,
so it's not too difficult a task for them to make sure that the PC
only boots an M$ OS.
It's not like a real PC where M$ has no control over who can
run what, it's more like Apple. M$ have full control over the
"hardware", simple as that.
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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-13 Thread Steve Fuller 
The main question is WHY did M$ grab VPC? There isn't any reason 
except that VPC's ability to run non-M$ operating systems was a 
threat. Connectix had a version of VPC that ran under Windoze and the 
only way M$ could kill or control that was to grab VPC away from 
Connectix. It is also instructive to note that M$ did not hire the VPC 
programmers; just a few token ones to help with the transition.
Looking at Microsoft's products that are coming up, one of the things 
they are releasing is a server virtualization product that allows you 
to run 4 or 5 separate smaller instances of Windows on one larger box 
to aid with server consolidation, especially in shops with large 
amounts of legacy applications. Connectix was working on a lot of the 
same technology, and I would guess that was the main reason that they 
grabbed the product: it gave them the bulk of the work in a cheaper way 
than it would to do the development from scratch, as well as a bunch of 
patents.

Steve
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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-13 Thread Dennis B. Swaney 
At 5:13 AM -0700 10/13/04, Adam Thayer wrote:
On Oct 12, 2004, at 10:54 PM, Larry le Mac wrote:
From: Steve Fuller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/virtualpc/virtualpc.aspx? pid=whichver
I'm sure it will run Linux just fine.
Are you seriously telling me that you think M$ will sell a version of
VPC that will allow faultless running of Linux etc ?
VPC will no longer be a PC emulator the way it was under Connectix,
it will be much more like SoftWindows (remember ?).
I hate them for it, but if I was them I'd probably do the same.
Well, here is the thing, it would take WORK to break the ability to 
boot Linux and other OSes that they just don't want to spend. What 
you aren't going to see is VPC additions for anything other than 
Windows-based OSes, and absolutely no help when creating a new 
drive. Beyond that, MS would have to do a fair amount of work to 
truly disable other OSes that just doesn't make business sense.
The main question is WHY did M$ grab VPC? There isn't any reason 
except that VPC's ability to run non-M$ operating systems was a 
threat. Connectix had a version of VPC that ran under Windoze and the 
only way M$ could kill or control that was to grab VPC away from 
Connectix. It is also instructive to note that M$ did not hire the 
VPC programmers; just a few token ones to help with the transition.
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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-13 Thread Steve Fuller 
Are you seriously telling me that you think M$ will sell a version of
VPC that will allow faultless running of Linux etc ?
I am of the opinion that they will. They may not go out of their way to 
actively support it, but I don't believe that they will actively make 
something not work. Maybe I'm a bit of an optimist, but look at it this 
way. If it doesn't run Linux, or something besides an MS operating 
system, they get no sales of the product for that particular user. I'd 
think they'd rather have a small piece of the pie rather than nothing.

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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-13 Thread Adam Thayer 
On Oct 12, 2004, at 10:54 PM, Larry le Mac wrote:
From: Steve Fuller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/virtualpc/virtualpc.aspx? 
pid=whichver

I'm sure it will run Linux just fine.
Are you seriously telling me that you think M$ will sell a version of
VPC that will allow faultless running of Linux etc ?
VPC will no longer be a PC emulator the way it was under Connectix,
it will be much more like SoftWindows (remember ?).
I hate them for it, but if I was them I'd probably do the same.
Well, here is the thing, it would take WORK to break the ability to 
boot Linux and other OSes that they just don't want to spend. What you 
aren't going to see is VPC additions for anything other than 
Windows-based OSes, and absolutely no help when creating a new drive. 
Beyond that, MS would have to do a fair amount of work to truly disable 
other OSes that just doesn't make business sense.

Regards,
Adam
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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-12 Thread Larry le Mac 
From: Steve Fuller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/virtualpc/virtualpc.aspx? 
pid=whichver

I'm sure it will run Linux just fine.
Are you seriously telling me that you think M$ will sell a version of
VPC that will allow faultless running of Linux etc ?
VPC will no longer be a PC emulator the way it was under Connectix,
it will be much more like SoftWindows (remember ?).
I hate them for it, but if I was them I'd probably do the same.
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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-12 Thread Larry le Mac 
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Unfortunately, the first thing M$ supposedly did when they got their hands 
on VPC was to disable support for non-M$ operating systems. No Linix, no 
OS/2 Warp, etc.
They will install, but you will not get any support from MS if you have 
issues getting them to run.
And it's easy for M$ to make it difficult for other OSs to work...
And that's not even being paranoid!
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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-12 Thread Steve Fuller 
On Oct 12, 2004, at 8:41 AM, Larry le Mac wrote:
From: Timothy Luoma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

One thing that is undeniable is that they are putting the screws to  
those who want to use their own version of Windows with VPC by  
delaying the release of the VPC without an OS.
Anyone who thinks that there will be a non-Windoze version of VPC
can forget it!
Microsoft has the version w/o an OS available for preorder on their web  
site right now at  
http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/virtualpc/virtualpc.aspx? 
pid=whichver

I'm sure it will run Linux just fine.
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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-12 Thread Steve Fuller 
Unfortunately, the first thing M$ supposedly did when they got their 
hands on VPC was to disable support for non-M$ operating systems. No 
Linix, no OS/2 Warp, etc.
They will install, but you will not get any support from MS if you have 
issues getting them to run.

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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-12 Thread Larry le Mac 
From: Timothy Luoma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

One thing that is undeniable is that they are putting the screws to those 
who want to use their own version of Windows with VPC by delaying the 
release of the VPC without an OS.
Anyone who thinks that there will be a non-Windoze version of VPC
can forget it!
This is my personal opinion yes, but I cannot see that Micro$oft has
any intention of selling a $50 product that will allow the running of
a non-M$ OS on a non-M$ platform.
Buying VPC after all other competition has died is a very cleaver trick
by M$, I have to admit however much I hate M$,
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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-12 Thread Larry le Mac 
From: "Dennis B. Swaney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Actually, Larry, M$ can't say to much specific about Longhorn yet because 
Tiger hasn't been released and they are waiting to see what new stuff they 
can steal from the Mac OS.
Most definetly!!!
But I have heard users talking about features which won't make it in,
despite the delayed release. After all someone has to sit there and
generate 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,001 lines
of code...
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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-11 Thread Timothy Luoma 
On Oct 11, 2004, at 11:02 PM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote:
Unfortunately, the first thing M$ supposedly did when they got their 
hands on VPC was to disable support for non-M$ operating systems. No 
Linix, no OS/2 Warp, etc.
Yeah, Windows ran much better than FreeBSD, largely (I suspect) because 
the VPC "additions" are available for Windows, but not for other 
OSes so even if they didn't "disable" things, they made it better 
to run Windows than any other OSes.

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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-11 Thread Andrew F. 
Obviously they didn't disable the program too much, everything so far except
networking and sound are just fine, and networking is fine if I connect to
ethernet, just not over wireless.  This is strange because in Windows 98 or
Windows 2000, the VPC doesn't care if I use wireless or wired ethernet to
connect to the internet, it just works.

Andrew


On 10/11/04 8:02 PM, "Dennis B. Swaney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 2:01 PM -0700 10/11/04, Andrew F. wrote:
>> I have SuSe Linux 9.1 on my VPC, but I haven't had any luck getting my
>> networking set up.  In Windows it works great from my Airport Extreme, but
>> not in Linux.
>> 
> 
> Unfortunately, the first thing M$ supposedly did when they got their
> hands on VPC was to disable support for non-M$ operating systems. No
> Linix, no OS/2 Warp, etc.



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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-11 Thread Dennis B. Swaney 
At 2:01 PM -0700 10/11/04, Andrew F. wrote:
I have SuSe Linux 9.1 on my VPC, but I haven't had any luck getting my
networking set up.  In Windows it works great from my Airport Extreme, but
not in Linux.
Unfortunately, the first thing M$ supposedly did when they got their 
hands on VPC was to disable support for non-M$ operating systems. No 
Linix, no OS/2 Warp, etc.
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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-11 Thread Iain McShane 
Here's a link about a guy with about 50 OS's installed using VPC on a 
17" 'book.

http://www.kernelthread.com/mac/vpc/
I have not tried VPC 7 but have never had issues installing any OS on 
VPC 6 and unless someone gives me a G5 system, I guess I won't be 
needing VPC 7 anytime soon.

I remember using VPC 5 (I think)  which recognized my 3DFX card on a 
PM8600/250 so I could play Pandemonium using the card for hardware 
acceleration, glide drivers worked on Win98.

Iain
On Oct 12, 2004, at 7:27 AM, Timothy Luoma wrote:

.. Original Message ...
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:06:45 +0200 "Marcin Wichary" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
If you are selling "VPC with Windows XP SP2" then there's 0 reason 
why
you can't sell "VPC without Windows"

If you have VPC ready to ship but are waiting for SP2 to be released,
there's still no reason why you can't release the Windows 2000 
version
or the version without an OS.
There are many reasons. Think of the buyers (or even sellers) who 
don't
see the difference and purchase a Virtual PC version without an
operating system. Think of the buyers who purchase the Windows 2000
version. Why do they have to be punished running an older (MUCH older,
as a matter of fact) system? Will they receive XP upgrade later?

BUT ecen if I give you all of the above, now that VPC with XPSP2 is 
available, they still
aren't selling it with Win2k **or** without an OS.

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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-11 Thread Darkwolf45 
>Sorry if I missed previous detail, but what's the problem? "Won't run" is
>fairly vague. It won't install? It unexpectedly quits?
>
>I've run a few games (not SFC) on VPC. Graphics requirements and
>Copy-protection schemes on install CDs tend to be the biggest bugaboos. I
>search periodically for info on this topis, but no one's (yet?) put
>anything substantive on a site.

The game installed just fine, no issues on that front.  First problem to poke it's 
head out was a message saying that directX 7.something or another wasn't compatible 
with my version of windows.  I got around this by installing a newer version of 
directX (8.0a).
After it was installed I loaded the game, it asked me if I wanted to register, and 
after that the program just seemed to disapear from the screen.  No error message.
This is a similar issue to when I was using an old 333mHz machine without a vid card.  
Once I got a vid card it ran perfectly, even though the game is technically supposed 
to run without a vid card installed.  I therefore assume it's a vid card issue, but am 
not completely sure.
Brian

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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-11 Thread Timothy Luoma 


.. Original Message ...
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:06:45 +0200 "Marcin Wichary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>> If you are selling "VPC with Windows XP SP2" then there's 0 reason why 
>> you can't sell "VPC without Windows"
>>
>> If you have VPC ready to ship but are waiting for SP2 to be released, 
>> there's still no reason why you can't release the Windows 2000 version 
>> or the version without an OS.
>
>There are many reasons. Think of the buyers (or even sellers) who don't 
>see the difference and purchase a Virtual PC version without an 
>operating system. Think of the buyers who purchase the Windows 2000 
>version. Why do they have to be punished running an older (MUCH older, 
>as a matter of fact) system? Will they receive XP upgrade later?
>

BUT ecen if I give you all of the above, now that VPC with XPSP2 is available, they 
still 
aren't selling it with Win2k **or** without an OS.

TjL


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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-11 Thread Timothy Luoma 


.. Original Message ...
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:18:06 -0400 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>OBviously there are some very knowledgeable people on this topic here- 
anyone know of a way to tweak VPC so I can run this game?  Keep in mind, 
this is an older game 


There are some knowledable folks here, but the real experts are on the 
Usenet group for VPC4Mac.  Check the VPC website for the link.

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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-11 Thread Timothy Luoma 


.. Original Message ...
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:06:45 +0200 "Marcin Wichary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>> ps - btw I fully expect that Longhorn will have some kind of 
>> integrated VPC (ala "Carbon") if Microsoft follows through on their 
>> plan to break all existing Windows programs for it...
>
>You mean Classic?
>

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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-11 Thread Frank P. Eigler 
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In a message dated 10/11/2004 6:45:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Frank
> P. Eigler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
> >What game are you referring to?
>
> StarFleet Command

Sorry if I missed previous detail, but what's the problem? "Won't run" is
fairly vague. It won't install? It unexpectedly quits?

I've run a few games (not SFC) on VPC. Graphics requirements and
Copy-protection schemes on install CDs tend to be the biggest bugaboos. I
search periodically for info on this topis, but no one's (yet?) put
anything substantive on a site.

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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-11 Thread Darkwolf45 
In a message dated 10/11/2004 6:45:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Frank P. Eigler" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


>What game are you referring to?

StarFleet Command

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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-11 Thread Frank P. Eigler 
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> VPC is a nice add on for the mac, but definately not wirht the full
> retail price.  BUt then again, what DOES MS sell that's worth their
> retail price? OBviously there are some very knowledgeable people on this
> topic here- anyone know of a way to tweak VPC so I can run this game? Keep in

What game are you referring to?

> mind, this is an older game dating back to the days of the 333 mHz
> machines on the PC side, so we're not talking about intensive processing
> to run it. DOn't mean to be pushy, just would really like this option if
> theres a way. If not, I'll just have to settle for the basic windows
> functionality.
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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-11 Thread Andrew F. 
Sorry, I can't help you then.  On mine it works perfectly by moving the
scripts.

Andrew


On 10/11/04 3:24 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I moved them with no luck.  even copied everything from the one user's
> preference folder to the other preference folder.  Every time I load VPC, even
> if i try to open the PC in question directly, I get sent to the PC setup
> assistant.  there seems to be an option to use an existing PC in there, but it
> wants me to provide the HD file, which I can't find.
> Brian
> 
> In a message dated 10/11/2004 5:05:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Andrew F."
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
>> Yes, the trick is to put your VPC Scripts somewhere other than in your
>> user's documents folder.  I keep my scripts on a completely different hard
>> drive (using my desktop), though any shared folder would be fine.  Just
>> double click on the actual PC (VPC document) to launch it.
>> 
>> I have the Applescript menu on my menubar and put an alias to each PC in the
>> scripts folder.  Much like the old Apple menu in classic Mac OS, I use the
>> script menu as a launcher.
>> 
>> You can also put your PCs on the dock and launch them that way, though you
>> will have to set it up for each user.
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/11/04 1:00 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have a new question to add to the mix:  Can I use one VPC PC between OS X
>>> screen names?  I've tried it a few times, but thus far have had no
>>> luckgetting
>>> my other screen name to access the PC.
>>> Brian
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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-11 Thread Darkwolf45 
I moved them with no luck.  even copied everything from the one user's preference 
folder to the other preference folder.  Every time I load VPC, even if i try to open 
the PC in question directly, I get sent to the PC setup assistant.  there seems to be 
an option to use an existing PC in there, but it wants me to provide the HD file, 
which I can't find.
Brian

In a message dated 10/11/2004 5:05:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Andrew F." <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> writes:

>Yes, the trick is to put your VPC Scripts somewhere other than in your
>user's documents folder.  I keep my scripts on a completely different hard
>drive (using my desktop), though any shared folder would be fine.  Just
>double click on the actual PC (VPC document) to launch it.
>
>I have the Applescript menu on my menubar and put an alias to each PC in the
>scripts folder.  Much like the old Apple menu in classic Mac OS, I use the
>script menu as a launcher.
>
>You can also put your PCs on the dock and launch them that way, though you
>will have to set it up for each user.
>
>Andrew
>
>
>On 10/11/04 1:00 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I have a new question to add to the mix:  Can I use one VPC PC between OS X
>> screen names?  I've tried it a few times, but thus far have had no luckgetting
>> my other screen name to access the PC.
>> Brian
>
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2004-10-11 Thread Andrew F. 
Yes, the trick is to put your VPC Scripts somewhere other than in your
user's documents folder.  I keep my scripts on a completely different hard
drive (using my desktop), though any shared folder would be fine.  Just
double click on the actual PC (VPC document) to launch it.

I have the Applescript menu on my menubar and put an alias to each PC in the
scripts folder.  Much like the old Apple menu in classic Mac OS, I use the
script menu as a launcher.

You can also put your PCs on the dock and launch them that way, though you
will have to set it up for each user.

Andrew


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> I have a new question to add to the mix:  Can I use one VPC PC between OS X
> screen names?  I've tried it a few times, but thus far have had no luckgetting
> my other screen name to access the PC.
> Brian



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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-11 Thread Andrew F. 
I have SuSe Linux 9.1 on my VPC, but I haven't had any luck getting my
networking set up.  In Windows it works great from my Airport Extreme, but
not in Linux.


On 10/11/04 11:15 AM, "Steve Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> It's not that easy. First of all, every "satisfied VPC user" has to
>> have Windows license anyway. Second of all, if somebody likes what
>> they see, they might switch to PCs in the next round.
> 
> Not really. I know of people using VPC to run Linux or some other OS
> instead of windows. It's not all that common, but I know of several
> cases where it's not being used with windows.
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2004-10-11 Thread Darkwolf45 
I have a new question to add to the mix:  Can I use one VPC PC between OS X screen 
names?  I've tried it a few times, but thus far have had no luckgetting my other 
screen name to access the PC.
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2004-10-11 Thread Steve Fuller 
It's not that easy. First of all, every "satisfied VPC user" has to 
have Windows license anyway. Second of all, if somebody likes what 
they see, they might switch to PCs in the next round.
Not really. I know of people using VPC to run Linux or some other OS 
instead of windows. It's not all that common, but I know of several 
cases where it's not being used with windows.

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2004-10-11 Thread Darkwolf45 
VPC is a nice add on for the mac, but definately not wirht the full retail price.  BUt 
then again, what DOES MS sell that's worth their retail price?  
OBviously there are some very knowledgeable people on this topic here- anyone know of 
a way to tweak VPC so I can run this game?  Keep in mind, this is an older game dating 
back to the days of the 333 mHz machines on the PC side, so we're not talking about 
intensive processing to run it.
DOn't mean to be pushy, just would really like this option if theres a way.  If not, 
I'll just have to settle for the basic windows functionality.
Brian

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2004-10-11 Thread Marcin Wichary 
If you are selling "VPC with Windows XP SP2" then there's 0 reason why 
you can't sell "VPC without Windows"

If you have VPC ready to ship but are waiting for SP2 to be released, 
there's still no reason why you can't release the Windows 2000 version 
or the version without an OS.
There are many reasons. Think of the buyers (or even sellers) who don't 
see the difference and purchase a Virtual PC version without an 
operating system. Think of the buyers who purchase the Windows 2000 
version. Why do they have to be punished running an older (MUCH older, 
as a matter of fact) system? Will they receive XP upgrade later?

I think with the amount of security issues plaguing Windows these days, 
that was actually a right move. Whether or not Service Pack 2 delivers 
security, that's another matter.

And they advertise VPC 6 as only working with Win2000 and WinXP, when 
in fact it will work with 95 and 98 as well.
AFAIR Windows 95 and 98 are discontinued, so are you really that 
surprised? DOS and probably other operating systems probably also work, 
but people are on their own when using them, and this is 
understandable. Also, they might not have been tested thoroughly, for 
obvious reasons.

Then there's the reality that for every satisfied VPC user there's 
less of a need for them to run Windows.
It's not that easy. First of all, every "satisfied VPC user" has to 
have Windows license anyway. Second of all, if somebody likes what they 
see, they might switch to PCs in the next round.

ps - btw I fully expect that Longhorn will have some kind of 
integrated VPC (ala "Carbon") if Microsoft follows through on their 
plan to break all existing Windows programs for it...
You mean Classic?
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2004-10-11 Thread Steve Fuller 
One thing that is undeniable is that they are putting the screws to 
those who want to use their own version of Windows with VPC by 
delaying the release of the VPC without an OS.
Understandable. One of the things that I am waiting for as well.
If you have VPC ready to ship but are waiting for SP2 to be released, 
there's still no reason why you can't release the Windows 2000 version 
or the version without an OS.
I disagree there, if for no other reason that they wanted to test 
compatibility with SP2 before they released it. I think that made 
sense. It's the same binary with a different OS image file.


And they advertise VPC 6 as only working with Win2000 and WinXP, when 
in fact it will work with 95 and 98 as well.
Agreed it will work, but 95 and 98 aren't what they consider supported 
OSes for the most part. Marketers suck ;)

ps - btw I fully expect that Longhorn will have some kind of 
integrated VPC (ala "Carbon") if Microsoft follows through on their 
plan to break all existing Windows programs for it...
There are products in beta that let you run multiple virtual servers on 
top of Windows 2003. I can see them integrating some of that, but then 
again, they may want to charge extra for that feature set, like they do 
now with terminal services.

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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-11 Thread Timothy Luoma 
On Oct 11, 2004, at 9:51 AM, Steve Fuller wrote:
Since it wasn't a huge amount of time between when they purchased the 
code from Connectix, do you suppose it maybe had to do with something 
as simple as a time crunch and not some ulterior motive. I'm not a 
Microsoft fanboy, but people that go out of their way to assign 
something to some ulterior motive just amaze me.
I think a lot of us have noticed a pattern of Microsoft promising the 
world and then not delivering it... so when they do it again, yeah, I 
tend to think it's a pattern of behavior.

One thing that is undeniable is that they are putting the screws to 
those who want to use their own version of Windows with VPC by delaying 
the release of the VPC without an OS.

If you are selling "VPC with Windows XP SP2" then there's 0 reason why 
you can't sell "VPC without Windows"

If you have VPC ready to ship but are waiting for SP2 to be released, 
there's still no reason why you can't release the Windows 2000 version 
or the version without an OS.

And they advertise VPC 6 as only working with Win2000 and WinXP, when 
in fact it will work with 95 and 98 as well.

Then there's the reality that for every satisfied VPC user there's less 
of a need for them to run Windows.

It's possible that it was a time crunch (although they delayed VPC by a 
significant amount of time, and then said it was "Done, but we're not 
shipping it yet"), so that really doesn't seem likely.

There's always VPC8...
TjL
ps - btw I fully expect that Longhorn will have some kind of integrated 
VPC (ala "Carbon") if Microsoft follows through on their plan to break 
all existing Windows programs for it...

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2004-10-11 Thread Steve Fuller 
My understanding is that most  of the video stuff didn't make it into 
VPC7 (at least with this initial release).
This is intentional from Micro$oft in order to bring Virtual PC to
the same level as the rest of the Micro$oft range of products;
loads of hype about new features, pull half of them just before 
release.
Since it wasn't a huge amount of time between when they purchased the 
code from Connectix, do you suppose it maybe had to do with something 
as simple as a time crunch and not some ulterior motive. I'm not a 
Microsoft fanboy, but people that go out of their way to assign 
something to some ulterior motive just amaze me.

Steve
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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-11 Thread Dennis B. Swaney 
At 11:43 AM +0200 10/11/04, Larry le Mac wrote:
From: Steve Fuller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

My understanding is that most  of the video stuff didn't make it 
into VPC7 (at least with this initial release).
This is intentional from Micro$oft in order to bring Virtual PC to
the same level as the rest of the Micro$oft range of products;
loads of hype about new features, pull half of them just before release.
Longhorn...
Actually, Larry, M$ can't say to much specific about Longhorn yet 
because Tiger hasn't been released and they are waiting to see what 
new stuff they can steal from the Mac OS.
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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-11 Thread Larry le Mac 
From: Steve Fuller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

My understanding is that most  of the video stuff didn't make it into VPC7 
(at least with this initial release).
This is intentional from Micro$oft in order to bring Virtual PC to
the same level as the rest of the Micro$oft range of products;
loads of hype about new features, pull half of them just before release.
Longhorn...
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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-11 Thread Marcin Wichary 
My understanding is that most  of the video stuff didn't make it into 
VPC7 (at least with this initial release).
That's correct. VPC still emulates a S3 Trio card. The Macintosh 
version is better in that it can give it more than 4 MB of RAM, but it 
doesn't help at all with gaming and is a nonstandard extension anyway.

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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-10 Thread Steve Fuller 
Make sure you install the VPC extensions into your Windows virtual 
machine. However, it won't help any. I think all VPC emulates 
non-accelerated video card. Games are going to suck performance wise.
Pre-release hype was that VPC7 was going to make this better, but I 
don't think it'll ever be good.
My understanding is that most  of the video stuff didn't make it into 
VPC7 (at least with this initial release).

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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-10 Thread Timothy Luoma 
On Oct 10, 2004, at 7:19 PM, Steve Fuller wrote:
jsut the same:  I'd like to run an older game, five years old to be 
exact, and the VPC software doesn't seem to be recognizing my vid 
card as a 3D card.  I'm quite aware that VPC wasn't intedned as a 
gaming platform, but I had hoped to also use it to run my very old 
copy of Starfleet Command.  I'm not certain this is the issue, but 
this IS how it acted when I was on my old PC that had no vid card.
Make sure you install the VPC extensions into your Windows virtual 
machine. However, it won't help any. I think all VPC emulates 
non-accelerated video card. Games are going to suck performance wise.
Pre-release hype was that VPC7 was going to make this better, but I 
don't think it'll ever be good.

TjL
ps - if you have any problems getting the additions to install, this 
might help:

http://tntluoma.com/beyond30/2004/09/install_virtual_pc_additions
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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-10 Thread Steve Fuller 
jsut the same:  I'd like to run an older game, five years old to be 
exact, and the VPC software doesn't seem to be recognizing my vid card 
as a 3D card.  I'm quite aware that VPC wasn't intedned as a gaming 
platform, but I had hoped to also use it to run my very old copy of 
Starfleet Command.  I'm not certain this is the issue, but this IS how 
it acted when I was on my old PC that had no vid card.
Make sure you install the VPC extensions into your Windows virtual 
machine. However, it won't help any. I think all VPC emulates 
non-accelerated video card. Games are going to suck performance wise.

Steve
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Re: Anyone here use virtual PC?

2004-10-10 Thread Darkwolf45 
Thanks, that did the trick- I'm now running Win 2K pro on my ibook, and it seems to be 
running great.  One thing though, I wouldn't really call it a problem, since I'm sure 
that VPC wasn't designed with this in mind, but I'd like to know what I can do jsut 
the same:  I'd like to run an older game, five years old to be exact, and the VPC 
software doesn't seem to be recognizing my vid card as a 3D card.  I'm quite aware 
that VPC wasn't intedned as a gaming platform, but I had hoped to also use it to run 
my very old copy of Starfleet Command.  I'm not certain this is the issue, but this IS 
how it acted when I was on my old PC that had no vid card.
Brian

>I recently solved this problem by finding a floppy image for Win98 which 
>allowed me to install Win95 too.
>
>You have to mount the floppy image first, then make sure the CD is 
>captured, then restart.  It took some doing but I did get it to work.
>
>NOTE: after installation, be sure to enable undo drives.  Excellent 
>feature.  Also, I am doing to save copies of the VPC6 files to DVD so that 
>I won't have to start all over again if/when something goes really wrong.
>
>TjL
>now running 95B/98SE/2000Pro/XPpro


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