Re: Dead Pismo?

[Donald Keenan]

On Tuesday, December 20, 2005, at 11:05 PM, Dylan McDermond wrote:



On Dec 20, 2005, at 7:58 PM, Donald Keenan wrote:


Any other ideas if charging it without the battery doesn't revive it?


Open the keyboard. Locate the PRAM battery lead (white/black cable by 
the optical drive). disconnect the lead, then try to start the 'book. 
If it starts, just plug the lead back in and it should charge the 
rechargeable PRAM again. I've revived two "dead" Pismos this way.


-Dylan




Dylan,

The Pismo lives! Luckily, my patience paid off. I just let it sit 
plugged into the AC for a week and it powered on!


Thanks for the advice, though. I'm glad I didn't have to open it up.

Donald


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Re: Dead Pismo?

[Dylan McDermond]

On Dec 20, 2005, at 7:58 PM, Donald Keenan wrote:


Any other ideas if charging it without the battery doesn't revive it?


Open the keyboard. Locate the PRAM battery lead (white/black cable by  
the optical drive). disconnect the lead, then try to start the 'book.  
If it starts, just plug the lead back in and it should charge the  
rechargeable PRAM again. I've revived two "dead" Pismos this way.


-Dylan

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Re: Dead Pismo

[Dan Colwell]

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 at 08:56:06 CHARLES RICHARDS 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote,

Good morning all. I used the old paperclip method and opened the CD
drive and inserted the Restore CD and hit the power key and the system
booted up to OS9. The battery shows one light and so I tried to boot up
from the internal HD which has OS 10.3.6 . I get the big apple no
spinning wheel and it just hangs with the big apple showing.
I get the usual start up sound as well.
After waiting 5min or so, I give up and press the power
key+apple+control to restart holding down the "C" key to start again
from the Restore CD and it will do this. How frustrating. Any
suggestions any one?
I had a somewhat similar problem. I tried all of the suggestions from 
the Apple Support site, but finally solved it almost by accident.

I tried to start up with the OS 9 disk, but no luck using the "C" key. 
So I tried a couple of times by starting up using the Option key in 
order to select the CD as the startup disk but I could not get it to 
show. Finally I just clicked on the  OS 10.3.7 icon and then the box 
with the right arrow in it. It started right up. I then went to the 
startup disk system preference and selected OS X.

This is a shot in the dark, but can't see that it would hurt to try...
Good Luck,
Dan-

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Re: Dead Pismo

[kochkodin]

Sorry...
Mike
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Re: Dead Pismo

[Alan Miller]

On Sunday, January 16, 2005, at 10:22  AM, kochkodin wrote:
Get a copy of DiskWarrior as fast as you can and run it...

...It sounds to me like the HD got really corrupted...
I would have to agree with this statement, if you can get the machine 
booted in 9 off the CD then you have a hard drive problem of some type!

The main drive in my wife's pismo is making some strange noises and 
hangs while on the net, often having to have the permissions repaired 
weekly, so I will be replacing the hard drive soon.. fortunately 
the computer has little data on it and is more of an internet portal 
for her to use when away from her main machine at work.

PS, folks, please remove the extra text in your replies.
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Re: Dead Pismo

[kochkodin]

Get a copy of DiskWarrior as fast as you can and run it...It will 
probably take quite a while to do so but hopefully it will work for 
you...I had similar problem in July of '03 when my Pismo acted that 
way...I was able to get it started once in a while in OS9 but X just 
hung there...When I got DW it took a while for it to load from the CD 
but it finally did.  The fact that it starts from the Restore CD shows 
thatthere is power etc...It sounds to me like the HD got really 
corrupted...As I said, I thought thatI had hardware problems also and it 
turned out ok..The Pismo is still running merrily except for that 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]&* LG DVD drive that died...Hope this helps!!!
Regards,
Mike K

CHARLES RICHARDS wrote:
Good morning all. I used the old paperclip method and opened the CD  
drive and inserted the Restore CD and hit the power key and the system  
booted up to OS9. The battery shows one light and so I tried to boot up  
from the internal HD which has OS 10.3.6 . I get the big apple no  
spinning wheel and it just hangs with the big apple showing.
I get the usual start up sound as well.
After waiting 5min or so, I give up and press the power  
key+apple+control to restart holding down the "C" key to start again  
from the Restore CD and it will do this. How frustrating. Any  
suggestions any one?


The other thing to consider would be the PMU.  I'm thinking about all  
the components that have to do with power management.  The PMU and/or  
the Sound Card are the most likely culprits of your problem.  I'm not  
so sure that the logic board would be at fault.  That's not to say  
that it couldn't be but...
As for the PMU, it is separate from the mb.  Follow this link to see 
a  picture of it:   
http://www.powerbookmedic.com/Power___Charger_PMU_Battery_Board_Pismo- 
p-16137.html
It is on slide 22 at the 'take apart' link I sent you yesterday.

There is this from xlr8yourmac.com about the PMU reset:
...Most often it is due to a dead cell in the backup battery, or just  
a corrupted PMU. The problem is that you can't reset the PMU 
correctly  from a dead backup battery. You can zap the PMU, which will 
get the  backup battery charging again. Then reset it in a few hours 
when the  battery has some charge. The steps are below.
If this doesn't correct it, then they most likely have a bad (not 
just  dead, but bad cell) battery that is corrupting the PMU on its 
own. The  first suggested fix is an accurate set of PMU resets as 
follows.

 RESETTING THE PMU
 A corrupted PMU (Power Management Unit) board can cause many  
sleep/startup issues.
 The PMU is the Power Management Unity of the system. When the  
batteries are completely drained, draining too fast, or a battery 
with  a bad cell exists, or if the AC adapter is unplugged from the 
wall,  but left connected to the PowerBook, the PMU can become corrupted
 If the internal motherboard backup battery has become completely  
drained, then a 2nd PMU reset will be needed about 4 hours after the  
1st PMU reset and the system has been plugged in for at least an hour  
(once the motherboard battery has enough power to reset the PMU  
properly). The first reset (due to a dead MB battery) wipes the PMU.  
The second reset (using the charged MB battery) rewrites the PMU with  
long-term firmware.
 Before resetting the PMU, check all connections. If possible. Put 
the  system to sleep and insert a known good battery, then test.
 Reset the PMU as follows:
 Unplug the AC from the PowerBook.
 Eject the battery(s).
 Depress the PowerBook reset switch ONE TIME (in the back by the  
modem, marked by a white triangle).
 Wait 10 seconds.
 Replug the AC.
 Reinsert the Battery.
 Restart the system.
 After the system has had about 4 hours of "plugged in" time, repeat  
the PMU reset as outlined above. This will rewrite the correct PMU  
code using the trickle from the motherboard battery's charge to do 
the  writing.
 If the system still does not charge/drain/startup correctly. You can  
try a hard motherboard reset. Follow the same instructions above, but  
after #2, lift the keyboard and unplug the motherboard battery (lower  
right above CD bay, three wire connector), wait 10 minutes then  
proceed. After running for an hour on AC, do a normal PMU reset.
 Best regards,
 Gary Dailey
 DaystarTechnology.com "
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Re: Dead Pismo

[CHARLES RICHARDS]

Good morning all. I used the old paperclip method and opened the CD  
drive and inserted the Restore CD and hit the power key and the system  
booted up to OS9. The battery shows one light and so I tried to boot up  
from the internal HD which has OS 10.3.6 . I get the big apple no  
spinning wheel and it just hangs with the big apple showing.
I get the usual start up sound as well.
After waiting 5min or so, I give up and press the power  
key+apple+control to restart holding down the "C" key to start again  
from the Restore CD and it will do this. How frustrating. Any  
suggestions any one?


The other thing to consider would be the PMU.  I'm thinking about all  
the components that have to do with power management.  The PMU and/or  
the Sound Card are the most likely culprits of your problem.  I'm not  
so sure that the logic board would be at fault.  That's not to say  
that it couldn't be but...
As for the PMU, it is separate from the mb.  Follow this link to see a  
picture of it:   
http://www.powerbookmedic.com/Power___Charger_PMU_Battery_Board_Pismo- 
p-16137.html
It is on slide 22 at the 'take apart' link I sent you yesterday.

There is this from xlr8yourmac.com about the PMU reset:
...Most often it is due to a dead cell in the backup battery, or just  
a corrupted PMU. The problem is that you can't reset the PMU correctly  
from a dead backup battery. You can zap the PMU, which will get the  
backup battery charging again. Then reset it in a few hours when the  
battery has some charge. The steps are below.
If this doesn't correct it, then they most likely have a bad (not just  
dead, but bad cell) battery that is corrupting the PMU on its own. The  
first suggested fix is an accurate set of PMU resets as follows.

 RESETTING THE PMU
 A corrupted PMU (Power Management Unit) board can cause many  
sleep/startup issues.
 The PMU is the Power Management Unity of the system. When the  
batteries are completely drained, draining too fast, or a battery with  
a bad cell exists, or if the AC adapter is unplugged from the wall,  
but left connected to the PowerBook, the PMU can become corrupted
 If the internal motherboard backup battery has become completely  
drained, then a 2nd PMU reset will be needed about 4 hours after the  
1st PMU reset and the system has been plugged in for at least an hour  
(once the motherboard battery has enough power to reset the PMU  
properly). The first reset (due to a dead MB battery) wipes the PMU.  
The second reset (using the charged MB battery) rewrites the PMU with  
long-term firmware.
 Before resetting the PMU, check all connections. If possible. Put the  
system to sleep and insert a known good battery, then test.
 Reset the PMU as follows:
 Unplug the AC from the PowerBook.
 Eject the battery(s).
 Depress the PowerBook reset switch ONE TIME (in the back by the  
modem, marked by a white triangle).
 Wait 10 seconds.
 Replug the AC.
 Reinsert the Battery.
 Restart the system.
 After the system has had about 4 hours of "plugged in" time, repeat  
the PMU reset as outlined above. This will rewrite the correct PMU  
code using the trickle from the motherboard battery's charge to do the  
writing.
 If the system still does not charge/drain/startup correctly. You can  
try a hard motherboard reset. Follow the same instructions above, but  
after #2, lift the keyboard and unplug the motherboard battery (lower  
right above CD bay, three wire connector), wait 10 minutes then  
proceed. After running for an hour on AC, do a normal PMU reset.
 Best regards,
 Gary Dailey
 DaystarTechnology.com "
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Re: Dead Pismo

[CHARLES RICHARDS]

OK, I have just purchased the PMU card, and will try that first. It 
sounds like you have experienced the same thing I am having. Glad to 
hear from you. I will let you know how it comes out after receiving and 
installing the PMU.

Charlie
On Saturday, January 15, 2005, at 08:31  AM, CHARLES RICHARDS wrote:
Thanks again James, I have placed an order for the logic board, so 
when it comes in I will look over the connections carefully.
I do have an additional question for you. Is the power management of 
the pismo on a PC card to itself? I may need to change it out if so 
first.

If you are dead in the water, so to speak, it would seem a power 
issue (duh).  So, you may want to check the sound card as it is 
where the power adaptor connects to the computer.  A take apart 
slide show can be found here:  
http://homepage.mac.com/sysop/PhotoAlbum7.html

I am suprised that there haven't been more suggestions.
OK, sorry to come into this so late, but I have been traveling... 
However, immediately before I left I was inside my lombard because it 
would no longer power on. just dead in the water.. I have the 
service manual and the flow chart states...

Replace the power supply card first, (which is the card below the 
track pad that the battery's plug in to) and if that doesn't fix it, 
then to replace the sound card which is where the AC cord plugs 
in. I will say it's a long battle to the inside of the machine 
you even need to remove the display to do it..

When I did this with my lombard the PS card didn't seem to help and 
immediately after replacing the sound card I got no results, but after 
waiting over night, when I put in a battery it started up no problems 
and I am back to using it again. :-)
--
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Re: Dead Pismo

[James Sanderson]

The other thing to consider would be the PMU.  I'm thinking about all  
the components that have to do with power management.  The PMU and/or  
the Sound Card are the most likely culprits of your problem.  I'm not  
so sure that the logic board would be at fault.  That's not to say that  
it couldn't be but...
As for the PMU, it is separate from the mb.  Follow this link to see a  
picture of it:   
http://www.powerbookmedic.com/Power___Charger_PMU_Battery_Board_Pismo- 
p-16137.html
It is on slide 22 at the 'take apart' link I sent you yesterday.

There is this from xlr8yourmac.com about the PMU reset:
...Most often it is due to a dead cell in the backup battery, or just a  
corrupted PMU. The problem is that you can't reset the PMU correctly  
from a dead backup battery. You can zap the PMU, which will get the  
backup battery charging again. Then reset it in a few hours when the  
battery has some charge. The steps are below.
If this doesn't correct it, then they most likely have a bad (not just  
dead, but bad cell) battery that is corrupting the PMU on its own. The  
first suggested fix is an accurate set of PMU resets as follows.

 RESETTING THE PMU
 A corrupted PMU (Power Management Unit) board can cause many  
sleep/startup issues.
 The PMU is the Power Management Unity of the system. When the  
batteries are completely drained, draining too fast, or a battery with  
a bad cell exists, or if the AC adapter is unplugged from the wall, but  
left connected to the PowerBook, the PMU can become corrupted
 If the internal motherboard backup battery has become completely  
drained, then a 2nd PMU reset will be needed about 4 hours after the  
1st PMU reset and the system has been plugged in for at least an hour  
(once the motherboard battery has enough power to reset the PMU  
properly). The first reset (due to a dead MB battery) wipes the PMU.  
The second reset (using the charged MB battery) rewrites the PMU with  
long-term firmware.
 Before resetting the PMU, check all connections. If possible. Put the  
system to sleep and insert a known good battery, then test.
 Reset the PMU as follows:
 Unplug the AC from the PowerBook.
 Eject the battery(s).
 Depress the PowerBook reset switch ONE TIME (in the back by the modem,  
marked by a white triangle).
 Wait 10 seconds.
 Replug the AC.
 Reinsert the Battery.
 Restart the system.
 After the system has had about 4 hours of "plugged in" time, repeat  
the PMU reset as outlined above. This will rewrite the correct PMU code  
using the trickle from the motherboard battery's charge to do the  
writing.
 If the system still does not charge/drain/startup correctly. You can  
try a hard motherboard reset. Follow the same instructions above, but  
after #2, lift the keyboard and unplug the motherboard battery (lower  
right above CD bay, three wire connector), wait 10 minutes then  
proceed. After running for an hour on AC, do a normal PMU reset.
 Best regards,
 Gary Dailey
 DaystarTechnology.com "
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Re: Dead Pismo

[Alan Miller]

On Saturday, January 15, 2005, at 08:31  AM, CHARLES RICHARDS wrote:
Thanks again James, I have placed an order for the logic board, so 
when it comes in I will look over the connections carefully.
I do have an additional question for you. Is the power management of 
the pismo on a PC card to itself? I may need to change it out if so 
first.

If you are dead in the water, so to speak, it would seem a power 
issue (duh).  So, you may want to check the sound card as it is where 
the power adaptor connects to the computer.  A take apart slide show 
can be found here:  http://homepage.mac.com/sysop/PhotoAlbum7.html

I am suprised that there haven't been more suggestions.
OK, sorry to come into this so late, but I have been traveling... 
However, immediately before I left I was inside my lombard because it 
would no longer power on. just dead in the water.. I have the 
service manual and the flow chart states...

Replace the power supply card first, (which is the card below the track 
pad that the battery's plug in to) and if that doesn't fix it, then to 
replace the sound card which is where the AC cord plugs in. I will 
say it's a long battle to the inside of the machine you even need 
to remove the display to do it..

When I did this with my lombard the PS card didn't seem to help and 
immediately after replacing the sound card I got no results, but after 
waiting over night, when I put in a battery it started up no problems 
and I am back to using it again. :-)
--
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http://home.earthlink.net/~uwphoto/
Lombard400, 512MB RAM, OS X.2.8
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Re: Dead Pismo

[CHARLES RICHARDS]

Thanks again James, I have placed an order for the logic board, so when 
it comes in I will look over the connections carefully.
I do have an additional question for you. Is the power management of 
the pismo on a PC card to itself? I may need to change it out if so 
first.

Chrlie
If you are dead in the water, so to speak, it would seem a power issue 
(duh).  So, you may want to check the sound card as it is where the 
power adaptor connects to the computer.  A take apart slide show can 
be found here:  http://homepage.mac.com/sysop/PhotoAlbum7.html
It seems that this is a place to start since the Pismo booted, then 
panicked, and failed to restart.  Moreover, you're not getting 
anything anywhere, not even a hint that the power is connected, 
battery or A/C.  Perhaps while you're in the innards you should check 
the connexions, making sure they are secure.

I am suprised that there haven't been more suggestions.
HTH
J Sanderson
On 14 Jan 2005, at 15:38, CHARLES RICHARDS wrote:
I tried resetting the PMU according to the instructions found at 
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=14449, after waiting 
for several seconds (more than five) I tried to boot up. Nothing. Any 
other suggestions. Incidentally I have nothing active or on in any 
external ports.

Charlie
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Re: Dead Pismo

[James Sanderson]

If you are dead in the water, so to speak, it would seem a power issue 
(duh).  So, you may want to check the sound card as it is where the 
power adaptor connects to the computer.  A take apart slide show can be 
found here:  http://homepage.mac.com/sysop/PhotoAlbum7.html
It seems that this is a place to start since the Pismo booted, then 
panicked, and failed to restart.  Moreover, you're not getting anything 
anywhere, not even a hint that the power is connected, battery or A/C.  
Perhaps while you're in the innards you should check the connexions, 
making sure they are secure.

I am suprised that there haven't been more suggestions.
HTH
J Sanderson
On 14 Jan 2005, at 15:38, CHARLES RICHARDS wrote:
I tried resetting the PMU according to the instructions found at 
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=14449, after waiting 
for several seconds (more than five) I tried to boot up. Nothing. Any 
other suggestions. Incidentally I have nothing active or on in any 
external ports.

Charlie
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Re: Dead Pismo

[CHARLES RICHARDS]

I tried resetting the PMU according to the instructions found at 
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=14449, after waiting for 
several seconds (more than five) I tried to boot up. Nothing. Any other 
suggestions. Incidentally I have nothing active or on in any external 
ports.

Charlie
On 13 Jan 2005, at 15:52, John C. Swanson wrote:
got a message to hold
down the start up button for several seconds.
IIRC, this is a kernal panic induced by who knows what.  This happened 
on my WS I while I had a USB card installed.  I was able to restart 
after removing it.  But, no doubt your situation is different.
I think I'd start with a reset of the PMU.  That fixed a boot issue 
with one WS I worked on.  The PMU was eventually replaced along with 
the PRAM battery.  This solved a number of issues on that comp...
To reset the PMU go to this page: 
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=14449
Try this.  Also, you probably should try to start up from the CD and 
repair permissions, etc.

HTH
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Re: Dead Pismo

[James Sanderson]

On 13 Jan 2005, at 15:52, John C. Swanson wrote:
got a message to hold
down the start up button for several seconds.
IIRC, this is a kernal panic induced by who knows what.  This happened 
on my WS I while I had a USB card installed.  I was able to restart 
after removing it.  But, no doubt your situation is different.
I think I'd start with a reset of the PMU.  That fixed a boot issue 
with one WS I worked on.  The PMU was eventually replaced along with 
the PRAM battery.  This solved a number of issues on that comp...
To reset the PMU go to this page: 
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=14449
Try this.  Also, you probably should try to start up from the CD and 
repair permissions, etc.

HTH
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Re: Dead Pismo

[CHARLES RICHARDS]

I just thought of something else no lights come on the battery when  
inserted. Do you think the problem can be with the power unit(?).

Charlie


No, can you advise how to, and thanks for the quick response.
Charlie
On 13/01/05 14:33, "Charlie Richards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
My Pismo wont boot up, system is powered with AC adapater as well as
having the M7318 battery inserted and charging (?) I have replaced  
the
PRAM battery, still no luck. I tried my other M7318 battery hit the
startup button, got the startup tone and a apple showed up on the
screen, but no turning pancake. After a while got a message to hold
down the start up button for several seconds. This did shut it down,
but I cannot boot up.
Any suggestion?
Have you tried resetting the PMU?
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Re: Dead Pismo

[CHARLES RICHARDS]

I wish I could start from the CD but I can not get power up to boot, 
even though I have a good battery inserted and also the AC adapter on.

CA
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Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 14:34
To: G-Books
Subject: Dead Pismo
My Pismo wont boot up, system is powered with AC adapater as well as
having the M7318 battery inserted and charging (?) I have replaced the
PRAM battery, still no luck. I tried my other M7318 battery hit the
startup button, got the startup tone and a apple showed up on the
screen, but no turning pancake. After a while got a message to hold
down the start up button for several seconds. This did shut it down,
but I cannot boot up.
Any suggestion?

If I understand correctly the system powers on but doesn't boot into 
the
operating system.  First, if you haven't, I would recommend resetting
the PRAM (hold command-option-P-R for at least 3 'bongs.')

Then try resetting the defaults in open firmware.  Hold
Command-Option-O-F at boot.  Type reset-nvram and press return.  Type
reset-all and press return.
If that doesn't work it sounds like the OS is corrupted or the hard
drive is bad.  I would recommend starting up from your OS CD or a drive
utility and checking the disk.
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Re: Dead Pismo

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Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 14:34
To: G-Books
Subject: Dead Pismo

My Pismo wont boot up, system is powered with AC adapater as well as 
having the M7318 battery inserted and charging (?) I have replaced the 
PRAM battery, still no luck. I tried my other M7318 battery hit the 
startup button, got the startup tone and a apple showed up on the 
screen, but no turning pancake. After a while got a message to hold 
down the start up button for several seconds. This did shut it down, 
but I cannot boot up.
Any suggestion?


If I understand correctly the system powers on but doesn't boot into the
operating system.  First, if you haven't, I would recommend resetting
the PRAM (hold command-option-P-R for at least 3 'bongs.')

Then try resetting the defaults in open firmware.  Hold
Command-Option-O-F at boot.  Type reset-nvram and press return.  Type
reset-all and press return.

If that doesn't work it sounds like the OS is corrupted or the hard
drive is bad.  I would recommend starting up from your OS CD or a drive
utility and checking the disk.

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Re: Dead Pismo

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On 13/01/05 15:39, "Charlie Richards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> No, can you advise how to, and thanks for the quick response.
> 
> Charlie
> 
>> On 13/01/05 14:33, "Charlie Richards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> My Pismo wont boot up, system is powered with AC adapater as well as
>>> having the M7318 battery inserted and charging (?) I have replaced the
>>> PRAM battery, still no luck. I tried my other M7318 battery hit the
>>> startup button, got the startup tone and a apple showed up on the
>>> screen, but no turning pancake. After a while got a message to hold
>>> down the start up button for several seconds. This did shut it down,
>>> but I cannot boot up.
>>> Any suggestion?
>> 
>> Have you tried resetting the PMU?

Try this link: ,
"Troubleshooting portables that won't turn on or start up"...

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Re: Dead Pismo

[Charlie Richards]

No, can you advise how to, and thanks for the quick response.
Charlie
On 13/01/05 14:33, "Charlie Richards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
My Pismo wont boot up, system is powered with AC adapater as well as
having the M7318 battery inserted and charging (?) I have replaced the
PRAM battery, still no luck. I tried my other M7318 battery hit the
startup button, got the startup tone and a apple showed up on the
screen, but no turning pancake. After a while got a message to hold
down the start up button for several seconds. This did shut it down,
but I cannot boot up.
Any suggestion?
Have you tried resetting the PMU?
-Laurent.
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Re: Dead Pismo

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 13/01/05 14:33, "Charlie Richards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My Pismo wont boot up, system is powered with AC adapater as well as
> having the M7318 battery inserted and charging (?) I have replaced the
> PRAM battery, still no luck. I tried my other M7318 battery hit the
> startup button, got the startup tone and a apple showed up on the
> screen, but no turning pancake. After a while got a message to hold
> down the start up button for several seconds. This did shut it down,
> but I cannot boot up.
> Any suggestion?

Have you tried resetting the PMU?

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Re: Dead Pismo

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Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 17:36
To: G-Books
Subject: Re: Dead Pismo

On 06/12/04 17:32, "Andy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Trying to figure out why my Pismo is not working.. and find best place
to
> start looking..
> There is no sign of life at all.. battery dead and no matter how long
I
> leave it plugged in to mains there is nothing..
> can Pismo be started without one? Yoyo adaptor seems to be ok..
> unwilling to pay for new battery if it turns out not to be the
problem.. any
> ideas??
> 
> Andy


Sorry about the blank reply, I hit the wrong button.  Try pressing the
reset swith.  It is a little pen-hole switch located inside the port
door.  I think it is labeled with a sideways triangle, but I could be
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Re: Dead Pismo

[John C. Swanson]

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Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 17:36
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Subject: Re: Dead Pismo

On 06/12/04 17:32, "Andy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Trying to figure out why my Pismo is not working.. and find best place
to
> start looking..
> There is no sign of life at all.. battery dead and no matter how long
I
> leave it plugged in to mains there is nothing..
> can Pismo be started without one? Yoyo adaptor seems to be ok..
> unwilling to pay for new battery if it turns out not to be the
problem.. any
> ideas??
> 
> Andy
> 

Remove the battery. Plug it in. Try Command (Apple) + Control + Power.
See
if that works.

If that doesn't work, then check AC adapter. How do you know it seems to
be
OK?

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Re: Dead Pismo

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 06/12/04 17:32, "Andy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Trying to figure out why my Pismo is not working.. and find best place to
> start looking..
> There is no sign of life at all.. battery dead and no matter how long I
> leave it plugged in to mains there is nothing..
> can Pismo be started without one? Yoyo adaptor seems to be ok..
> unwilling to pay for new battery if it turns out not to be the problem.. any
> ideas??
> 
> Andy
> 

Remove the battery. Plug it in. Try Command (Apple) + Control + Power. See
if that works.

If that doesn't work, then check AC adapter. How do you know it seems to be
OK?

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Re: dead Pismo

[Donald Keenan]

On Thursday, June 3, 2004, at 01:39 AM, Dan Colwell wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 Malcolm Cornelius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

If anyone has any other troubleshooting ideas I could try, I'd
appreciate it.
Maybe I missed this, but does anything at all happen when you try to 
start it? Any noises at all from the hard drive?

Dan-

Dan...it started up!
I do have to say that this bad boy's 30 gb hard drive always has 
sounded loud to me. It's good to hear it again, though! I thought I 
lost it!

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On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 Malcolm Cornelius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

If anyone has any other troubleshooting ideas I could try, I'd
appreciate it.
Maybe I missed this, but does anything at all happen when you try to start 
it? Any noises at all from the hard drive?

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Re: dead Pismo

[Bob]

The National Enquirer reports at 8:10 PM -0400 6/1/04, Enzo Pianelli wrote:

>This is correct.  Plug it in and let it charge for a long time.  If
>you're in a hurry, see this article:
>http://www.macintouch.com/pbg4reader24.html

Actually this is good advice. I don't know a whole lot about PRAM 
batteries. I've never had to replace one. Even in my venerable 7100.

But I've read where they can go "flat" if left for a while with no 
power at all. It takes somewhere around 48 hrs to bring it back to 
life after that happens.

Your wish may come true yet. :-)

Good Luck,

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Re: dead Pismo

[Donald Keenan]

On Tuesday, June 1, 2004, at 11:36 PM, Tom Ethen wrote:
FYI, I have been storing two Pismo's for over two years upright in 
laptop
bags and have never had any problems with either one. I never store 
them
flat!

Tom
Thanks. I felt I had done it a fatal disservice.
Maybe I'll get lucky and by leaving it plugged in, it'll re-awaken.
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Re: dead Pismo

[Tom Ethen]

FYI, I have been storing two Pismo's for over two years upright in laptop
bags and have never had any problems with either one. I never store them
flat!

Tom
> 
> Well, I tried this to no avail as well.
> 
> This is all because of my storing it upright rather than flat? This
> means the boards and/or wires
> inside the Pismo could have come undone?


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Re: dead Pismo

[Enzo Pianelli]

This is correct.  Plug it in and let it charge for a long time.  If 
you're in a hurry, see this article: 
http://www.macintouch.com/pbg4reader24.html

On Jun 1, 2004, at 8:01 PM, Donald Keenan wrote:
On Tuesday, June 1, 2004, at 07:59 PM, Aaron Willems wrote:
I had two Pismos, that also wouldn't start. They had been left on a 
shelf
for a year collecting dust. I did all the same things you did. Nothing
worked. So I plugged them in, and left them alone for two weeks. 
After two
weeks, the battery lights came on, and starting charging. After that, 
they
started up without incident. Might be worth trying.

I'll be optimistic  and do as you did. Maybe this little Lazarus will 
revive.

Thanks,
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Re: dead Pismo

[Donald Keenan]

On Tuesday, June 1, 2004, at 07:59 PM, Aaron Willems wrote:
I had two Pismos, that also wouldn't start. They had been left on a 
shelf
for a year collecting dust. I did all the same things you did. Nothing
worked. So I plugged them in, and left them alone for two weeks. After 
two
weeks, the battery lights came on, and starting charging. After that, 
they
started up without incident. Might be worth trying.

I'll be optimistic  and do as you did. Maybe this little Lazarus will 
revive.

Thanks,
Donald
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Re: dead Pismo

[Aaron Willems]

I had two Pismos, that also wouldn't start. They had been left on a shelf
for a year collecting dust. I did all the same things you did. Nothing
worked. So I plugged them in, and left them alone for two weeks. After two
weeks, the battery lights came on, and starting charging. After that, they
started up without incident. Might be worth trying.

Regards,
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> On Tuesday, June 1, 2004, at 01:15 AM, Bob wrote:
> 
>> If it were me, I would try to reset the Power Management Unit (PMU).
>> Go here to get specific instructions on how to do it for just about
>> any portable:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Good Luck,
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
> 
> Well, I tried this to no avail as well.
> 
> This is all because of my storing it upright rather than flat? This
> means the boards and/or wires
> inside the Pismo could have come undone?
> 
> Before I take it to the Apple Store (), I'll let it sit flat for a
> while and hope for a miracle.
> I should register at one of the online prayer sites :)
> Really...
> 
> If anyone has any other troubleshooting ideas I could try, I'd
> appreciate it.
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Donald



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[Malcolm Cornelius]

> If anyone has any other troubleshooting ideas I could try, I'd
> appreciate it.

Pull the pram battery out.

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Re: dead Pismo

[Donald Keenan]

On Tuesday, June 1, 2004, at 01:15 AM, Bob wrote:
If it were me, I would try to reset the Power Management Unit (PMU).
Go here to get specific instructions on how to do it for just about
any portable:

Good Luck,
Bob
Well, I tried this to no avail as well.
This is all because of my storing it upright rather than flat? This 
means the boards and/or wires
inside the Pismo could have come undone?

Before I take it to the Apple Store (), I'll let it sit flat for a 
while and hope for a miracle.
I should register at one of the online prayer sites :)
Really...

If anyone has any other troubleshooting ideas I could try, I'd 
appreciate it.

Thanks again,
Donald
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Re: dead Pismo

[Bob]

The National Enquirer reports at 12:22 AM -0400 6/1/04, Laurent 
Daudelin wrote:

>on 31/05/04 23:12, Donald Keenan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > On Monday, May 31, 2004, at 11:06 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
> >
> >> Did you try to plug it with the adapter and start using
> >> Command-Control-Power?
> >>
> >> -Laurent.
> >> --
> >>
> >
> >
> > Laurent:
> >
> > I just tried that to no avail. The power button almost feels like it
> > has less spring to it than it once had. I have it sitting with the
> > adapter.
> >
> > I'm going to hopefully figure this out. Somewhere I have instructions
> > on paper for resetting the pram. Could this be a possibility?
> >
> > I've never named any of my Macs. This one I shall call Lazarus if he
> > riseth :)
>
>You mean, the paper clip to reset it on the back? You could try that but if
>Command-Control-Power doesn't work, I'm not sure the reset will do any
>good...

If it were me, I would try to reset the Power Management Unit (PMU). 
Go here to get specific instructions on how to do it for just about 
any portable:



Good Luck,

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Re: dead Pismo

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 31/05/04 23:12, Donald Keenan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Monday, May 31, 2004, at 11:06 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
> 
>> Did you try to plug it with the adapter and start using
>> Command-Control-Power?
>> 
>> -Laurent.
>> -- 
>> 
> 
> 
> Laurent:
> 
> I just tried that to no avail. The power button almost feels like it
> has less spring to it than it once had. I have it sitting with the
> adapter.
> 
> I'm going to hopefully figure this out. Somewhere I have instructions
> on paper for resetting the pram. Could this be a possibility?
> 
> I've never named any of my Macs. This one I shall call Lazarus if he
> riseth :)

You mean, the paper clip to reset it on the back? You could try that but if
Command-Control-Power doesn't work, I'm not sure the reset will do any
good...

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flatten. 2. Said of a memory architecture (like that of the VAX or 680x0)
that is one big linear address space (typically with each possible value of
a processor register corresponding to a unique core address), as opposed to
a `segmented' architecture (like that of the 80x86) in which addresses are
composed from a base-register/offset pair (segmented designs are generally
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Re: dead Pismo

[Donald Keenan]

On Monday, May 31, 2004, at 11:06 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
Did you try to plug it with the adapter and start using
Command-Control-Power?
-Laurent.
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Laurent:
I just tried that to no avail. The power button almost feels like it 
has less spring to it than it once had. I have it sitting with the 
adapter.

I'm going to hopefully figure this out. Somewhere I have instructions 
on paper for resetting the pram. Could this be a possibility?

I've never named any of my Macs. This one I shall call Lazarus if he 
riseth :)

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Re: dead Pismo

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 31/05/04 18:54, Donald Keenan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi all.
> 
> Today began like any other day but I'm having an electriconics meltdown
> :(
> 
> I tried to replace my two vcrs with a dual deck Go video and now none
> of them work...no tv or even vhs playback. Then my industrial fan
> broke, and now my Pismo!
> 
> I'm most likely the culprit. I had it sitting unused in its carry bag
> on its side (not flat) for two months. Now, even with the power adapter
> plugged in, it won't start.
> 
> Any ideas? It was fine before. Did the posture I forced on it kill it?

Did you try to plug it with the adapter and start using
Command-Control-Power?

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Re: Dead Pismo: Upgrade or fix

[James Rohde]

On 3/3/04 11:58 AM, G-Books wrote:

>
>Consider, however, that if you're feeling adventurous, you could easily 
>disassemble the Pismo, sell off the battery, CD/DVD module, RAM, 
>keyboard, screen, airport, HD, motherboard, power supply, and other 
>components on Ebay yourself... and probably make enough profit from the 
>parts to buy a new iBook.  :-)

Yeah, but some of us Pismo owners (often very loyal people that we are) 
like the expandability, expansion bay choices, etc. of the Pismo over the 
hard-to-repair/disassemble/upgrade iBooks currently being offered... :-)

Jim Rohde
(working on getting my sick Pismo fixed, and hating brushed metal looks 
and the difficult-to-take-apart design of the newer 'Books)



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Re: Dead Pismo: Upgrade or fix

[gabill]

I might be interested in the pismo you don't want.
Bill
> 
> From: Michael Breslin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2004/03/03 Wed PM 01:09:48 CST
> To: "G-Books" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Dead Pismo: Upgrade or fix
> 
> I managed to kill the processor on my Pismo. Does anyone out there do
> upgrades on dead processor cards or do they all need a working core? Is it
> worth the cost of upgrade - someone has offered me a 500 G3 for a great
> price?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> MB!
> 
> 
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Re: Dead Pismo: Upgrade or fix

[Jim]

Michael,

There are a few places you can buy replacement processor cards for the 
Pismo, such as strangers on Ebay, or even more reliable sources, such 
as http://www.wegenermedia.com   Some folks might even do the repair 
work for you.

Consider, however, that if you're feeling adventurous, you could easily 
disassemble the Pismo, sell off the battery, CD/DVD module, RAM, 
keyboard, screen, airport, HD, motherboard, power supply, and other 
components on Ebay yourself... and probably make enough profit from the 
parts to buy a new iBook.  :-)

Good luck!
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Michael Breslin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I managed to kill the processor on my Pismo. Does anyone out there do
 upgrades on dead processor cards or do they all need a working core? 
Is it
 worth the cost of upgrade - someone has offered me a 500 G3 for a 
great
 price?


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Re: Dead Pismo: Upgrade or fix

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 03/03/04 14:09, "Michael Breslin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I managed to kill the processor on my Pismo. Does anyone out there do
> upgrades on dead processor cards or do they all need a working core? Is it
> worth the cost of upgrade - someone has offered me a 500 G3 for a great
> price?

You can sometimes find Pismo 400MHz processor daughtercards on eBay for
around $70.

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Re: Dead Pismo Update

[Thomas Peterson]

My wallstreet has been funny about starting up. I was unable to wake  
from sleep. Resetting PMU did't help. I finally had that AHA moment and  
grabbed a magnet and waved it about on the right side of the body of  
the wallstreet. Wowwee, I had the travelstar hard drive messing with  
the reed switch issue and didn't know it. Wave the magnet while holding  
the shift key down is my new MO.
On Jan 5, 2004, at 4:08 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:

I haven't got a lot of replies (only 1 actually) to my earlier message
regarding my Pismo that wouldn't wake from sleep, but finally got it  
back to
life.

I did remove the processor daughtercard and put it back. Then, the  
machine
started.

The symptoms were: after going to sleep by itself, my Pismo wouldn't  
wake
up. The sleep indicator did turn off, the "Caps Lock" and "Num Lock"  
keys
would lit when pressed, and the laptop would recharge a battery, but  
there
would be otherwise no other sign of life, no chime, nothing on the  
screen.

-Laurent.
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Re: DEAD Pismo help?

[James Rohde]

On 1/1/04 3:42 AM, Joe wrote:

>I havea  dead pismo here, and I was wondering it it would be possible for 
>me to send my cpu card, sans RAM, to someone and if they'd be willing to 
>test and see if the cpu worked in their pismo?  If the cpu card turns up 
>working then it is probably the power board, does anyone know how to test 
>the sound/power board? This Pismo is in practicaly MINT shape on the 
>outside and the screen and keyboard, but it won't do anything :-(

Have you tried making sure the CPU board is properly seated? I recall 
that this can prevent the Pismos from starting up at all (and sometimes 
other flaky stuff). Try removing and re-seating the processor card, 
pressing firmly down (but not too hard), and then leaving the AC adapter 
plugged in in case your battery is run down.

HTH,

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Re. Dead Pismo

[csean]

on 20/11/2003 06:42, G-Books at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:13:24 -0500
> From: Brendan Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Dead Pismo (w/java upgrade)
> 
> 
> I am working on a Pismo that had coffee spilled into the keyboard.
> The keyboard is NG but the book worked for a few weeks except for an
> occasional startup problem. Now it won't start up at all. Does anyone
> have any procedures to get it started, and failing that, is it worth
> replacing the motherboard? The motherboard and processor card got the
> worst soaking.
> 
> Thanks.

Hi Brendan, 

You might want to remove, visually inspect the processor and then reseat it
firmly. Another potential cause is the RAM itself. If the banks of RAM are
stained/damaged you could try removing them and trying with known good
memory banks. 


That said, if you are eventually unable to get it working, I'd be very
interested in buying it off you, as I'm putting together a Pismo from spare
parts. If you decide it's not worth your while to repair it (likely, given
the cost of repairs and the price of used powerbooks nowadays), do let me
know about selling it as is.

Good luck,

Chris


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Re: Dead Pismo (w/java upgrade)

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 19/11/03 14:13, "Brendan Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am working on a Pismo that had coffee spilled into the keyboard.
> The keyboard is NG but the book worked for a few weeks except for an
> occasional startup problem. Now it won't start up at all. Does anyone
> have any procedures to get it started, and failing that, is it worth
> replacing the motherboard? The motherboard and processor card got the
> worst soaking.

Command-Control-Power is what I usually use. You might want to go through
the procedure of resetting the power manager, then try to force start.

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Re: Dead Pismo

[Laurent Daudelin]

> From: "Joe Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: G-Books <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:24:02 -0400
> To: G-Books <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Dead Pismo
> 
> - Original Message -
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> To: "G-Books" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Subject: Re: Dead Pismo
> 
> 
>>> From: "Joe Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Reply-To: G-Books <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:09:08 -0400
>>> To: G-Books <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Subject: Re: Dead Pismo
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Hamlin Krewson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "G-Books" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:04 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Dead Pismo
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Try pressing the reset button on the back of the powerbook, wait five
>>>> seconds and then press the power button.
>>>> 
>>>> Hamlin
>>>> 
>>> Been there, done that. Nothing.
>> 
>> I've read a few times that when the main battery is completely discharged,
>> you have to plug the PowerBook for at least 48 hours to recharge the PRAM.
>> Then, if it doesn't start with Command+Control+Power, try to reset the PMU
>> again with the instructions from Apple:
>> 
>> 1. If the computer is on, turn it off.
>> 2. Press and release the reset button located on the rear panel of the
>> computer between the external video and modem ports.
>> 3. Wait 5 seconds.
>> 4. Press the Power button to restart the computer.
>> 
>> -Laurent.
> 
> Been there, done that. Nothing.

Did you try to restart it using Command+Control+Power?

Did you leave it plugged for 48 hours?

If so, then, I guess your best bet is to take it for service. The PMU has
probably gone bad.

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Re: Dead Pismo

[Tom Peterson]

Have you installed a fresh Pram battery? Give it a try.
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> > From: "Joe Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: G-Books <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:09:08 -0400
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> > Subject: Re: Dead Pismo
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Hamlin Krewson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "G-Books" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:04 AM
> > Subject: Re: Dead Pismo
> >
> >
> >> Try pressing the reset button on the back of the powerbook, wait
five
> >> seconds and then press the power button.
> >>
> >> Hamlin
> >>
> > Been there, done that. Nothing.
>
> I've read a few times that when the main battery is completely
discharged,
> you have to plug the PowerBook for at least 48 hours to recharge the
PRAM.
> Then, if it doesn't start with Command+Control+Power, try to reset the
PMU
> again with the instructions from Apple:
>
> 1. If the computer is on, turn it off.
> 2. Press and release the reset button located on the rear panel of the
> computer between the external video and modem ports.
> 3. Wait 5 seconds.
> 4. Press the Power button to restart the computer.
>
> -Laurent.

Been there, done that. Nothing.

JE


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Re: Dead Pismo

[Joe Ellis]

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From: "Laurent Daudelin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: Dead Pismo


> > From: "Joe Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: G-Books <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:09:08 -0400
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> > Subject: Re: Dead Pismo
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Hamlin Krewson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "G-Books" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:04 AM
> > Subject: Re: Dead Pismo
> >
> >
> >> Try pressing the reset button on the back of the powerbook, wait five
> >> seconds and then press the power button.
> >>
> >> Hamlin
> >>
> > Been there, done that. Nothing.
>
> I've read a few times that when the main battery is completely discharged,
> you have to plug the PowerBook for at least 48 hours to recharge the PRAM.
> Then, if it doesn't start with Command+Control+Power, try to reset the PMU
> again with the instructions from Apple:
>
> 1. If the computer is on, turn it off.
> 2. Press and release the reset button located on the rear panel of the
> computer between the external video and modem ports.
> 3. Wait 5 seconds.
> 4. Press the Power button to restart the computer.
>
> -Laurent.

Been there, done that. Nothing.

JE


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Re: Dead Pismo

[Laurent Daudelin]

> From: "Joe Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: G-Books <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:09:08 -0400
> To: G-Books <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Dead Pismo
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Hamlin Krewson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "G-Books" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:04 AM
> Subject: Re: Dead Pismo
> 
> 
>> Try pressing the reset button on the back of the powerbook, wait five
>> seconds and then press the power button.
>> 
>> Hamlin
>> 
> Been there, done that. Nothing.

I've read a few times that when the main battery is completely discharged,
you have to plug the PowerBook for at least 48 hours to recharge the PRAM.
Then, if it doesn't start with Command+Control+Power, try to reset the PMU
again with the instructions from Apple:

1. If the computer is on, turn it off.
2. Press and release the reset button located on the rear panel of the
computer between the external video and modem ports.
3. Wait 5 seconds.
4. Press the Power button to restart the computer.

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Re: Dead Pismo

[Tom Ethen]

Just unplug the AC, remove the Expansion Bay battery and let it sit for a
day and then it should start up.

Tom

on 10/20/03 9:33 AM, Geoff Doctor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Unplug the PRAM and try it. That fixed mine,
> GEoff
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Unplug the PRAM and try it. That fixed mine,
GEoff


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> > Try pressing the reset button on the back of the
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> > Hamlin
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> Been there, done that. Nothing.
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Re: Dead Pismo

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> Try pressing the reset button on the back of the powerbook, wait five 
> seconds and then press the power button.
> 
> Hamlin
> 
Been there, done that. Nothing.

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Re: Dead Pismo

[Hamlin Krewson]

Try pressing the reset button on the back of the powerbook, wait five 
seconds and then press the power button.

Hamlin

In the course of trying to keep a couple of youngsters entertained via 
DVDs
on my Pismo; I ran both my batteries to the fully discharge state and 
have
been unable to recharge them. Since the batteries are about 3 years 
old I
presumed it was time to invest in a new one. After spending $130 on a 
new
battery I still have not been able to get the computer to turn on. I 
believe
I have used every Power Manager reset procedure there is and every key 
combo
I could find in the literature and I still haven't been able to revive 
it.
Is it possible the small PRAM battery being dead will cause this 
problem?


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Re: Dead Pismo

[Donald Keenan]

Ditto :)
On Thursday, August 15, 2002, at 07:37 PM, Jim wrote:

> At 2:46 PM Joel Furtek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Yesterday morning I bought a Powerbook firewire 500Mhz at state
>> surplus auction for $300.  ...started up like a charm adn has run
>> beautifully since.
>
> I am SO jealous   A $300 Pismo of any speed is a great bargain.
> And if you spring the extra bit for the Newertech upgrade, you can
> have a fast G4 inside!  Color ME green!!!
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> --Jim.
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Re: Dead Pismo

[Joe Ellis]

To All the kind folks on this list who provided suggestions it was, in fact,
the daughter card seating that was the problem. It does in fact take so much
force you think you may break it, but when it seats you can "feel" it pop
into place. With the new 40 GB hard drive and extra half gig of memory, it
seems to be much more responsive than before. Will be getting a firewire
case for the old 10 GB drive which I will use for working on videos of the
grandaughter.

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Re: Dead Pismo

[Joel Furtek]

>At 2:46 PM Joel Furtek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Yesterday morning I bought a Powerbook firewire 500Mhz at state
>>surplus auction for $300.  ...started up like a charm adn has run
>>beautifully since.
>
>I am SO jealous   A $300 Pismo of any speed is a great bargain.
>And if you spring the extra bit for the Newertech upgrade, you can
>have a fast G4 inside!  Color ME green!!!
>--Jim.

Jim,
Color me Giddy.  The auction list had a few "Powerbooks" on it.  So I 
went to explore, and wouldn't you know it, lot #1 of 700 was the 
Pismo, the rest were what you'd expect, a 5300cs, a 145, etc.
I about croaked when I opened the rear door and saw those Firewire 
ports looking back at me.  When I saw the 500 on the bottom, ooeee. 
Tested it, well, tried to, and it was D-E-D dead.  Still, I figured 
it was probably the adapter or the P/S, either of which was a cheap 
enough fix.  SO I showed up bright and early for the auction.  One 
guy tried to hold the bidding down by chatting with the auctioneer 
about the condition, and the caller actually mentioned it was dead. 
Five or so bidders at $50, once it went over $200 it was me and one 
other bidder, whose limit must have been $300, I actually picked it 
up for $310, plus tax.
I'm pretty impressed with it!  Two years ago I worked with a 
WallStreet 266, and this feels night and day faster.  I have the new 
backup battery and 512MB of ram coming in next week.  I'll stay with 
the 12GB disk for a little while, and also start saving for the G4 
upgrade.  I do a lot of digital video as a rowing coach, so the 
altivec would help.  Plus, iTunes would really pick up.  ;-)
It looks like it may have been surplused after 'going dead,' so I 
actually put an email into the previous owner to see if she needs her 
files.
Anyway, I do feel incredibly lucky to have come across this.  If you 
live near a major university, check their website for surplus 
auctions!
Now, if anyone's looking for a Pismo 400Mhz, I had already picked one 
up on eBay, it should arrive by Monday, I'll be selling that one.
Best to all,
Joel

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Re: Dead Pismo

[Ryan Stewart]

This is highly likely, but almost everybody that pops the processor card out
of their pismo doesn't get it in tight the first time. You need to press
pretty hard on that sucker. Just when you think you are going to crack the
thing, it pops into place where it should be!
-Ryan Stewart


> That's definitely a possibility. happened to me the first time I tried to
> start
> up after ramping the RAM to 1gb.
> 
> Thomas Ethen wrote:
> 
>> Sometimes with a Pismo, you don't get the board with the RAM chips seated
>> properly and then the PowerBook will not start. I would check that first!
>> 
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Re: Dead Pismo

[Gary D. Adams]

That's definitely a possibility. happened to me the first time I tried to start
up after ramping the RAM to 1gb.

Thomas Ethen wrote:

> Sometimes with a Pismo, you don't get the board with the RAM chips seated
> properly and then the PowerBook will not start. I would check that first!
>
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Re: Dead Pismo

[Jim]

At 2:46 PM Joel Furtek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Yesterday morning I bought a Powerbook firewire 500Mhz at state
>surplus auction for $300.  ...started up like a charm adn has run 
>beautifully since.

I am SO jealous   A $300 Pismo of any speed is a great bargain. 
And if you spring the extra bit for the Newertech upgrade, you can 
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Re: Dead Pismo

[Thomas Ethen]

Sometimes with a Pismo, you don't get the board with the RAM chips seated
properly and then the PowerBook will not start. I would check that first!

Tom

on 8/15/02 1:33 PM, Joe Ellis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 1. Decided to beef up my 400 Mhz Firewire Powerbook by replacing the 10 GB
> drive with a 40 GB drive and to replace my 64 MB Ram with a 512 MB ram so
> combined with my other 256 MB stick I'd have a total of 768 MB.
> 
> 2. I am a retired Navy Electronics Technician and have worked with computers
> and Macs for years so please believe me when I say I followed all the good
> practices while doing the installations. In fact I downloaded the PDFs and
> watched the videos before starting the job.
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> 3.Now the problem: The Powerbook will not turn on.
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Re: Dead Pismo

[Jeff Szuhay]

>suppect

oops! this a a cross between "suppose" and "expect" 
resulting from mind blather and finger diarhea. 

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Re: Dead Pismo

[Jeff Szuhay]

>6. I suspect the problem is related to the back-up battery since the laptop
>is about 3 years old. However, I can't find any documentation on how to
>replace it on this model (Pismo Firewire 400 Mhz).
>
>If any of you kind folks have had a similar experience or can point me to
>documentation on replacing the back-up battery I would appreciate an email.
>You can respond off-list or on if you feel it may be instructive to others.

Yes, I have had a similar experience with dead back-up battery.
Don't do anything else until you let it recharge. They go dead if the 
machine
has not been started in a couple of months.

The backup batter, IIRC, is underneath the trackpad and quite awkward to 
get to.
Given that Pismos are still under 2.5 years old (max), I would not 
suppect it
needs to be replaced... just recharged.

Jeff Sz.


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Re: Dead Pismo

[Joe Ellis]

Joel

Thanks for the tip, thanks to some help from another list, I got a PDF of
the Pismo manual, got the part number and found a replacement battery at the
local Apple dealer. Glad I found the part number, when I asked about a
back-up battery for the Pismo, he said "I don't what a a Pismo is..." and he
wasn't familiar with "firewire Powerbook" either.

I will be checking it out and the reseating suggestions also this evening,
will post results.

Joe
- Original Message -
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Subject: Re: Dead Pismo


> Joe,
> I just joined the list today, here's hoping I can offer something.
> Yesterday morning I bought a Powerbook firewire 500Mhz at state
> surplus auction for $300.  It was DOA.  I'd already ordered the new
> PS but thought I'd try the battery; when I disconnected the backup
> battery it started up like a charm adn has run beautifully since.
> If you pull the DVD drive out, and pull back the keyboard, you should
> see the battery in the lower right.  A single three-pin plug connects
> it.  Pull the plug, put the keyboard back, and see if it starts up.
> Worked for me!  I haven't looked into actually replacing it yet, but
> it runs fine without it so long as you don't run your main battery
> down.
> Hope that helps.
> Best,
> Joel
>
> >3.Now the problem: The Powerbook will not turn on.
> >
> >6. I suspect the problem is related to the back-up battery since the
laptop
> >is about 3 years old. However, I can't find any documentation on how to
> >replace it on this model (Pismo Firewire 400 Mhz).
>
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Re: Dead Pismo

[Joel Furtek]

Joe,
I just joined the list today, here's hoping I can offer something.
Yesterday morning I bought a Powerbook firewire 500Mhz at state 
surplus auction for $300.  It was DOA.  I'd already ordered the new 
PS but thought I'd try the battery; when I disconnected the backup 
battery it started up like a charm adn has run beautifully since.
If you pull the DVD drive out, and pull back the keyboard, you should 
see the battery in the lower right.  A single three-pin plug connects 
it.  Pull the plug, put the keyboard back, and see if it starts up. 
Worked for me!  I haven't looked into actually replacing it yet, but 
it runs fine without it so long as you don't run your main battery 
down.
Hope that helps.
Best,
Joel

>3.Now the problem: The Powerbook will not turn on.
>
>6. I suspect the problem is related to the back-up battery since the laptop
>is about 3 years old. However, I can't find any documentation on how to
>replace it on this model (Pismo Firewire 400 Mhz).

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Re: Dead Pismo

[Peter Graening]

If you pulled out the processor card at all while doing these upgrades, try
re-seating it first.  It's a very common issue after upgrading a Pismo.

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Re: Dead Pismo

[Jack Hodgson]

Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. I've basically chalked it up to
"gremlins."

For some unknown reason, it wasn't getting power through the AC and the
battery ran down. That's why I couldn't start it. I later tried another
battery and it was fine. So then I thought it was my power supply. An
engineer friend checked it and thought perhaps the "puck" was dead. When I
got home, I plugged it in and it fired right up. So I charged both batteries
and it's been fine ever since. This morning, I plugged it in and put it in
"target disk mode" as usual.

As I said, "gremlins."

Thanks again,

Jack

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Re: Dead Pismo

[Kathryn Odell]

I also have a Pismo 400. Once I put it to sleep and it wouldn't wake up, or
restart at all. Dead. I also took the battery out, replaced it, and voila! it
started up. Weird. It's only happened that once. Nothing wrong with my ram.

Kate

vlad wrote:

> I had a dead Pismo 400 as well...didn't react to anything, happened as
> in your case, got scared stiff...pulled out the battery and the power
> cord, put the battery back in and it worked...maybe just luck and had
> nothing to do with power supply 'cos my 256 meg ram module went dead
> couple of days later...could it be ram?
>
> Jack Hodgson wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > My 400 mhz Pismo has died. It booted into target disk mode this morning
> > as
> > always but I noticed later that the screen was black.


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Re: Dead Pismo

[vlad]

I had a dead Pismo 400 as well...didn't react to anything, happened as 
in your case, got scared stiff...pulled out the battery and the power 
cord, put the battery back in and it worked...maybe just luck and had 
nothing to do with power supply 'cos my 256 meg ram module went dead 
couple of days later...could it be ram?

cheers,

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On Tuesday, April 2, 2002, at 05:44 , Jack Hodgson wrote:

> Hello,
>
> My 400 mhz Pismo has died. It booted into target disk mode this morning 
> as
> always but I noticed later that the screen was black. The icon still 
> showed
> up on my G-4 desktop but my G-4 soon froze up and I had to reboot it. 
> The
> Pismo icon was gone after the G-4 restarted.
>
> The Pismo was running off AC power, not battery. I tried unplugging the
> power supply but it's still dead and as far as I know, the battery is
> charged.
>
> I'm running OS X 10.1.2 on both machines and I have plenty of RAM. It's
> apparently a hardware/power problem, rather than software, but I'm 
> clueless
> as to why. I've never had this problem before.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jack
>
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Re: Dead Pismo

[George Gunderson]

One more shot in the dark...literally...

Make sure your backlight is on.  Had mine off one time while outside in 
the sun, then went indoors hours later and couldn't understand why I had 
no picture.  Did the three-finger salute and realized what I had done...

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Re: Dead Pismo

[George Gunderson]

On Tuesday, April 2, 2002, at 11:44 , Jack Hodgson wrote:
>
> The Pismo was running off AC power, not battery. I tried unplugging the
> power supply but it's still dead and as far as I know, the battery is
> charged.
Push the test button on the battery to see how many lights come on.  
Four is a near-full battery, one flashing is a near-discharged battery.  
Is the sleep light pulsing?  If so, you may have ran the battery down 
until it went to sleep on you.

If you're sure its not asleep, does pressing the power button yield a 
startup chime?  Does the caps lock key light up?  When my processor card 
was unseated, the caps lock key would light up, but nothing else would 
happen.

If you have a multi-meter, try testing the output of the adapter.  I had 
a yo-yo die on me without warning and without any outward damage.

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Re: Dead Pismo

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 02/04/02 11:44, "Jack Hodgson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> My 400 mhz Pismo has died. It booted into target disk mode this morning as
> always but I noticed later that the screen was black. The icon still showed
> up on my G-4 desktop but my G-4 soon froze up and I had to reboot it. The
> Pismo icon was gone after the G-4 restarted.
> 
> The Pismo was running off AC power, not battery. I tried unplugging the
> power supply but it's still dead and as far as I know, the battery is
> charged.
> 
> I'm running OS X 10.1.2 on both machines and I have plenty of RAM. It's
> apparently a hardware/power problem, rather than software, but I'm clueless
> as to why. I've never had this problem before.

Did you try resetting the power management unit? Don't remember what is it
on a Pismo. There used to be a little label with the key combination on a
Wallstreet, but it's not there anymore on the Pismo. I think it was
fn+ctrl+power or something like that.

-Laurent.
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Re: Dead Pismo

[Kyle Hansen]

Mike Ferguson wrote:

> PS - I pushed harder, it clicked, it booted.  Hoorah!

I knew it. YEAH!

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Re: Dead Pismo

[makmac]

Mike Ferguson on 7/23/01 12:19 PM wrote:

> PS - I pushed harder, it clicked, it booted.  Hoorah!
> 
...and they all lived happily ever after!



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Re: Dead Pismo

[Mike Ferguson]

"crust r." wrote:

> >Perhaps resetting the Power Manager will help. I believe this will also
> >reset the PRAM.
> >
> >-makmac
>
> make sure you have the memory in the top
> slot removed, because the place you need to push to make the connection for
> the card is directly underneath where the chip would be. There will be an
> audible click, and you will feel it as it hits. Then reinstall the top
> memory chip. I was a mess for about an hour there,

crust, makmac, kyle,

truly, the next time anyone asks me why I continue to pin my colours to the
Cupertino mast I will tell them of the momentous day when, from across the
world, the massed armies of mac afficionados rallied round to save one poor
little Pismo from a life as a doorstop.  The story will be handed down through
the generations, doubtless growing more fantastical with the telling ("no, it
was a 6Gb RAM chip he was trying to install, not a 4Gb one", etc.), but the
core message, of these  fabled beings' devotion  to their platform in the face
of the Redmondian onslaught, will always shine through...oh, must stop now, I'm
gushing:)

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Re: Dead Pismo

[crust r.]

>Perhaps resetting the Power Manager will help. I believe this will also
>reset the PRAM.
>
>-makmac


Good idea. And I can only echo what someone else said: make sure you have 
the processor card seated. I put some new memory into my own Pismo a week 
ago, and had the same result: dead Pismo. After trying to reseat the damn 
processor card for the 5th time or so, I finally pulled out the manual...and 
it says pretty clearly in there, make sure you have the memory in the top 
slot removed, because the place you need to push to make the connection for 
the card is directly underneath where the chip would be. There will be an 
audible click, and you will feel it as it hits. Then reinstall the top 
memory chip. I was a mess for about an hour there, thinking I'd killed my 
Pismo - which is my ONLY computer, and which I've only had a few months (and 
which is the best computer I've ever owned!).



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Re: Dead Pismo

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] on 7/23/01 11:50 AM wrote:

> Now I don't think that a supposedly dead Powerbook
> should be drawing ANY current, much less enough to
> cause it to heat up like it has.  I've now removed the
> battery, 'cos I'm worried.
> 
> This give anyone any more clues?
> 
Perhaps resetting the Power Manager will help. I believe this will also
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Re: Dead Pismo

[mikeferguson]

We have a new symptom

After Kyle's (helpful) post following my original cry for 
help, I went back and took my book apart again to 
jiggle the processor card about a bit to seat it properly.

When I did this I noticed that the processor, the heat 
shield and the heat sink were all hot to the touch (not 
burning, but hot).  Now, the thing hasn't booted, but it's 
definitely drawing enough power from the battery (which 
I just stuck back in when I reassembled it) to cause this 
heating.  I put it all back together again, battery 
included, and left it for ten minutes and checked again - 
sure enough the heat shield and sink were hot again.  
And in the interim it still wouldn't boot.

Now I don't think that a supposedly dead Powerbook 
should be drawing ANY current, much less enough to 
cause it to heat up like it has.  I've now removed the 
battery, 'cos I'm worried.

This give anyone any more clues?

PS On a lighter note, the PB1400 I bought on eBay last 
week arrived this morning just after the Pismo died - 
perfect timing, though I wish I'd been able to introduce 
them to each other (sniff, sniff...)

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Re: Dead Pismo

[Kyle Hansen]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Oh dear, I've killed it.
> Trying to install a 256Mb upgrade in the bottom slot.
> Put it all back together again, pressed go and nothing,
> nada.

The processor is probably not fully seated.  Reseat it and see what
happens.  It's a common thing with Pismo's.  Also.  Note that you are not
supposed to remove the heat sink from the Microprocessor board.  The 2
small phillips headed screws are supposed to stay connected, otherwise you
remove the thermal transfer pad from between the processor and the
heatsink.  It'll probably be fine, but if you are anywhere near an
electronics store get some thermal conductive glue and put a small amount
(3mm wide line) around the edge of the thermal transfer pad, so that the
connection remains solid.  In the future just remove the one long screw off
to the left and leave the heatsink assembly attached to the microprocessor
board.

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