Re: Software piracy
On 12/9/05, Clark Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 5:07 PM -0500 12/9/05, Tom W. wrote: Why don't we start with one story? I've never, ever heard of a computer company coming after a user who sold his laptop with an OS on it. I know people get busted for duplicating software and then selling it, but a home user selling his computer getting hunted down by the police? I don't think so. Ah, the old it's only illegal if you get caught plan! -- Clark Martin I'm not saying that at all Clark (that it's only illegal if you get caught). You made a statement that there were plenty of stories about people getting busted for software piracy that used the I didn't know it was wrong defense. I challenged you to provide one instance where that had occurred as a result of an individual user selling a computer with an unlicensed OS on it. I've never heard of individuals being targetted by police or other authorities for selling their own computer with an OS on it. That doesn't make it right, and I'm not saying it's right. Tom -- My wife makes itty bitty horse tack http://www.darkstormstudio.com http://editor.weeklyzone.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software Piracy
On 12/10/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:22 PM -0500 12/09/2005, Krow Magnum wrote: On 12/9/05, macnifico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is permisible to sell a computer with the OS only. The rules do not specify that the OS should be the original one for the computer. Where did you find that ? The original OS is a license issue, not an ebay issue. If the OS license is not being sold it is a copyright violation. Pardon? All Macs are licensed for their original OS. Period. You cannot sell them without the license going with it. The License goes with the OS. The OS is bundled with the Mac. And you can if you keep the OS install CD that came with it. It's a lot easier to pirate an OS from a CD than from a computer. Most PCs are licensed for their original copy of Windows. Likewise, you cannot sell them without the license going with it. Windows is licensed with hardware specifically and is totally different than Mac OS license. IOW, there is no concept of not being sold with for that original license. All of this is irrelevant anyway because you can put a Mac G3 or g4 on eBay any day of the week loaded with OS X Panther or Tiger, Adobe, Quark, etc. with no disks and it will not be cancelled. Not true. Adobe and MS (to take two examples I've been hit with) have both hired copyright police companies to watch eBay. If you offer computers containing their products and no media license, there is a good chance the auctions will be canceled. And if you do it repeatedly, besides eBay suspension, you'll get a nice registered letter from the copyright holder's lawyers. :\ Wrong ! It's all over eBay No matter what the Law is, eBay lets it slide. And whoever is supposed to be watching auctions is not doing itheir job becasue I see it everyday. I see it all the time and have filed complaints when they use the apps as a selling point. Not one auction has been closed due to my complaints. As appropriate. It's not your copyright, therefore you have no legal standing to interfere with the auction. IOW, when you see an infringing auction, it's nice to report it to eBay - but you really need to report it to the copyright owner or their legal agent if you expect any action to be taken. See eBay's help area for information on their Verified Rights Owner (VeRO) program. aka the copyright police authorization rules. - Dan. I wasn't arguing legality, just eBay's policy violations. Ok, just because I am not deemed authorized then it is legal and ok. So it's legal as long as eBay says it is and nobody gets caught. And as long as eBay can make money on it. eBay just covers their collective butts by what they do. The law is the law and eBay is not a lawmaker, just a policy maker who claims to do the proper thing but hides behind a disclaimer and having a user agreement accepted. I can find numerous violations of software copyright laws all day long on eBay. I confess it would be very difficult for eBay to eliminate this problem but they ignore it and make money on it. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software Piracy
At 10:40 AM -0500 12/10/2005, Krow Magnum wrote: Ok, just because I am not deemed authorized then it is legal and ok. So it's legal as long as eBay says it is and nobody gets caught. And as long as eBay can make money on it. eBay just covers their collective butts by what they do. The law is the law and eBay is not a lawmaker, just a policy maker who claims to do the proper thing but hides behind a disclaimer and having a user agreement accepted. I can find numerous violations of software copyright laws all day long on eBay. I confess it would be very difficult for eBay to eliminate this problem but they ignore it and make money on it. You can always find people speeding on highways. That doesn't make it legal. It simply means that people can be jerks and taxpayers (customers) aren't willing to pay for police enough to monitor every car 24/7. eBay is the same situation. *shrug* How would you have them handle it? Be constructive now. Keep in mind that your solution has to be reasonable - it has to leave them with a viable business plan... - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software Piracy
This is one of the dumbest threads ever to circulate. You all aren't ever going to agree. What is the point? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software Piracy
On Saturday, Dec 10, 2005, at 13:11 America/Chicago, Peter Webster wrote: This is one of the dumbest threads ever to circulate. You all aren't ever going to agree. What is the point? I do agree. My opinion is that it depends on the version of the OS. If it's Panther or Tiger, yes, I do agree that they should include the discs if it's not the stock OS, but if it's Jaguar, Puma, or even back in the OS 8-9 days, no I don't think it's piracy. People lose discs, it's a fact of life. I have a copy of SuSE Linux that I still can't find, and I've got a full licence for it. Up until recently, I couldn't find the OS 7.1 disks I got way back in the olden days. That's just my $0.02, but I'm not an expert on copyright law, or any other law. FYI, I bought my Lombard with OS X Jaguar on it, and it didn't have the discs. I'm not saying it's right, but I'm not going back to OS 8.5, even though I have the original recovery disc. C. Cupples, Mac Fanatic at Large -- Lombard 400 - OS X Jaguar 190 - OS 7.5.3 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software Piracy
on 10/12/05 14:11, Peter Webster at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is one of the dumbest threads ever to circulate. You all aren't ever going to agree. What is the point? Yes, I agree. Folks, please, DROP THAT THREAD. I don't think it's going anywhere. But you can continue to argue off-list. -Laurent. List nanny. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet address: n. 1. [techspeak] An absolute network address of the form [EMAIL PROTECTED], where foo is a user name, bar is a sitename, and baz is a `domain' name, possibly including periods itself. Contrast with bang path; see also the network and network address. All Internet machines and most UUCP sites can now resolve these addresses, thanks to a large amount of behind-the-scenes magic and PD software written since 1980 or so. See also bang path, domainist. 2. More loosely, any network address reachable through Internet; this includes bang path addresses and some internal corporate and government networks. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
I believe the point of leaving an operable OS on a used computer offered for sale is that the machine is demonstrably working, and that it was when shipped by the seller. Otherwise there'd be no standard of whether what was sold to any of us was in operable condition when we bought it. This way, when we're guaranteed No DOA there's a common reference point between the buyer and the seller. Otherwise, there'd be a grey area opened up that the new owner screwed something up in attempting to install an operating system of choice, and many more unwarranted returns of perfectly usable machines would arrive back on the doorsteps of honorable, innocent and well-meaning sellers. Also, I'd be surprised if many, indeed if any of us who use this list don't already own our own copies of usable operating systems to install in any Macs we buy used. Without an installed OS when shipped, we'd have no way of detecting a lemon when we inspect our purchase. Just my thoughts, stanton -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
I know this discussion has veered off this, but here it is anyway (sorry, I'm on digest) It is permisible by the eBay rules, to contact you about a similar item being auctioned in eBay. It is NOT permisible to contact you to offer you a similar item by-passing eBay, (a private sale). Spam is not permitted on eBay. Some examples of spam include: • Unsolicited email offers to potential buyers for items that are the same or similar to items a member is bidding on or has bid on in the past [it is also transaction interference, a reportable violation] It is permisible to sell a computer with the OS only. The rules do not specify that the OS should be the original one for the computer. It is NOT permisible to include other software, like M$ Office, Adobe Photoshop, etc., if you advertise it, your auction will be cancelled, even if you include the erase disk clause. The following are examples of items that may not be listed on eBay: • Backup or archival copies of software programs • Software loaded onto a hard drive that is not being sold with the original media (disks, manuals, etc.) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Software piracy
In a message dated 12/9/05 1:22:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One thing about the seller who has the iBook is that he is probably reputable but just does not have the OS CD's to sell with it. Too many eBay sellers sell computers with a newer OS but no CD's which is software pirating and generally is a sign of their honesty. Without the CD's the hard drive should be wiped clean. So at least he didn't add Panther or Tiger to the iBook to sell it for more money and that's a good sign. I don't know about it being an indicator of anyone's honesty or not; what about situations where individuals are selling their personal laptops after being upgraded? Doesn't the act of piracy require some requisite mental state? Also, doesn't the frequently seen Buyer must erase drive after reviewing OS pretty much cover any loose ends? xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo Ivy F., AL Roll Tide! Beiges, 'Books and other oddities xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
It does not indicate piracy in any way. For example when I upgraded tp Tiger I bought the family pack with 4 or 5 installs. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/9/05 1:22:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One thing about the seller who has the iBook is that he is probably reputable but just does not have the OS CD's to sell with it. Too many eBay sellers sell computers with a newer OS but no CD's which is software pirating and generally is a sign of their honesty. Without the CD's the hard drive should be wiped clean. So at least he didn't add Panther or Tiger to the iBook to sell it for more money and that's a good sign. I don't know about it being an indicator of anyone's honesty or not; what about situations where individuals are selling their personal laptops after being upgraded? Doesn't the act of piracy require some requisite mental state? Also, doesn't the frequently seen Buyer must erase drive after reviewing OS pretty much cover any loose ends? xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo Ivy F., AL Roll Tide! Beiges, 'Books and other oddities xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
On 12/9/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/9/05 1:22:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One thing about the seller who has the iBook is that he is probably reputable but just does not have the OS CD's to sell with it. Too many eBay sellers sell computers with a newer OS but no CD's which is software pirating and generally is a sign of their honesty. Without the CD's the hard drive should be wiped clean. So at least he didn't add Panther or Tiger to the iBook to sell it for more money and that's a good sign. I don't know about it being an indicator of anyone's honesty or not; what about situations where individuals are selling their personal laptops after being upgraded? Doesn't the act of piracy require some requisite mental state? Also, doesn't the frequently seen Buyer must erase drive after reviewing OS pretty much cover any loose ends? That's BS ! They are selling software without a license. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
On 12/9/05, john ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It does not indicate piracy in any way. For example when I upgraded tp Tiger I bought the family pack with 4 or 5 installs. And if you sell a Mac with one of those installs it should include a license transfer with it and you will have one less license. The vast majority of eBay sellers do not buy multi-licenses. Otherwise it should have the original OS on it as the Mac was originally sold with that OS license. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
In a message dated 12/9/05 4:37:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's BS ! They are selling software without a license. Alrighty then; thanks. That must be the most broken law in the world then, because I rarely see a computer on Ebay or anywhere else that has no software. Unless it is in parts or missing the hard drive. xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo Ivy F., AL Roll Tide! Beiges, 'Books and other oddities xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
Most likely the proper thing to do.. -- Alan Miller Underwater Photographer °°.°.°.°. http://home.earthlink.net/~uwphoto/ Pismo400, 1G RAM, OS X.4.2 eBay ID uwphotoer Live each day like it is your last because someday you'll be right. On Dec 9, 2005, at 4:41 PM, Krow Magnum wrote: Otherwise it should have the original OS on it as the Mac was originally sold with that OS license. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
At 4:28 PM -0500 12/9/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/9/05 1:22:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One thing about the seller who has the iBook is that he is probably reputable but just does not have the OS CD's to sell with it. Too many eBay sellers sell computers with a newer OS but no CD's which is software pirating and generally is a sign of their honesty. Without the CD's the hard drive should be wiped clean. So at least he didn't add Panther or Tiger to the iBook to sell it for more money and that's a good sign. I don't know about it being an indicator of anyone's honesty or not; what about situations where individuals are selling their personal laptops after being upgraded? Doesn't the act of piracy require some requisite mental state? No. There are plenty of stories of people getting busted for software piracy who've claimed they didn't know it was wrong. That defense rarely works. Also, doesn't the frequently seen Buyer must erase drive after reviewing OS pretty much cover any loose ends? Maybe, legally, maybe not. But it's like someone not to loot the store like everyone else is then giving them a shove. On second thought I don't think it is legal as they are sending it to you without the disks so at that point it is illegal, even if you do erase the disk immediately. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
On 12/9/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/9/05 4:37:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's BS ! They are selling software without a license. Alrighty then; thanks. That must be the most broken law in the world then, because I rarely see a computer on Ebay or anywhere else that has no software. Unless it is in parts or missing the hard drive. xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo Ivy F., AL Roll Tide! Beiges, 'Books and other oddities xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo It probably is one of the most broken laws but don't connect eBay with legality. eBay lets lots of things go on that are not legal. Macs can have an OS without the CD's but it should be the original OS that came with the Mac. And somebody somewhere probably has the original CD's too which should go with that Mac. There are not that many lost or destroyed install CD's. School and corporate sales regularly sell computers with the hard drives wiped clean and no install CD's which is why some have no OS installed. Technically I could buy one and install an OS from one of my CD's and if it is what came on the Mac I am not violating my single user license on my install CD because the Mac had a license when sold for that OS. But if I install Tiger on more than one Mac in my home with a single user license I am violating the user agreement. I do it, and a lot of people do it but it is still violates the user agreement. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
On 12/9/05, Clark Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. There are plenty of stories of people getting busted for software piracy who've claimed they didn't know it was wrong. That defense rarely works. Why don't we start with one story? I've never, ever heard of a computer company coming after a user who sold his laptop with an OS on it. I know people get busted for duplicating software and then selling it, but a home user selling his computer getting hunted down by the police? I don't think so. Tom -- My wife makes itty bitty horse tack http://www.darkstormstudio.com http://editor.weeklyzone.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
At 4:28 PM -0500 12/09/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/9/05 1:22:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One thing about the seller who has the iBook is that he is probably reputable but just does not have the OS CD's to sell with it. Too many eBay sellers sell computers with a newer OS but no CD's which is software pirating and generally is a sign of their honesty. There is no legal obligation to include the original media with the computer. The original OS license is tied to the computer hardware. Failing to include the media is kosher. BUT then using that media on another computer is a license violation and copyright infringement. Without the CD's the hard drive should be wiped clean. I don't know about it being an indicator of anyone's honesty or not; what about situations where individuals are selling their personal laptops after being upgraded? Doesn't the act of piracy require some requisite mental state? Nothing mental about it. Well, except maybe the dope-induced IQ of the legislators that wrote the DMCA. Also, doesn't the frequently seen Buyer must erase drive after reviewing OS pretty much cover any loose ends? Original OS vs Upgraded by purchase/retail. It's ok for the original OS to be on the computer forever, regardless of where the media ends up. If the computer has an upgraded OS then that OS' media (and, technically, a letter from the seller to the buyer transferring the license) should be included with the computer. If it's not, then the copy of the OS on the computer is illegal and should have been wiped before it left the seller's posession. There is no such thing as reviewing the OS being legit, ever. - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
At 4:41 PM -0500 12/09/2005, Krow Magnum wrote: On 12/9/05, john ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It does not indicate piracy in any way. For example when I upgraded tp Tiger I bought the family pack with 4 or 5 installs. And if you sell a Mac with one of those installs it should include a license transfer with it and you will have one less license. The vast majority of eBay sellers do not buy multi-licenses. I don't beleive you can break up a family-pack license that way. The point of the discount is that the licensees are all part of your household. - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
At 4:43 PM -0500 12/09/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That must be the most broken law in the world then, because I rarely see a computer on Ebay or anywhere else that has no software. ya. Same. A widely abused reading of the fair use clause. Unless it is in parts or missing the hard drive. I got some nice corporate financial records on some JAZ disks I bought last year... heheheh - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
At 4:54 PM -0500 12/09/2005, Krow Magnum wrote: It probably is one of the most broken laws but don't connect eBay with legality. eBay lets lots of things go on that are not legal. eBay is like a common carrier. The provide a venue, not legal responsibility for the goods sold[*]. It is simply impossible to police every auction, given the fees they charge. Protecting that open venue status is why eBay doesn't try to peruse auctions on their own, for legal violations. Same reason your phone company can't be held liable because you used their lines to plan a crime... [*] There are exceptions to this. eg: In Germany it's illegal to sell certain WWII-related goods (trying to pre-avoid spam filter here), authentic or replica or new. And if eBay lets anyone, they can be held liable. Likewise with various state weapons laws... School and corporate sales regularly sell computers with the hard drives wiped clean and no install CD's which is why some have no OS installed. Technically I could buy one and install an OS from one of my CD's and if it is what came on the Mac I am not violating my single user license on my install CD because the Mac had a license when sold for that OS. Right. Media vs License. Two totally separate entities. But if I install Tiger on more than one Mac in my home with a single user license I am violating the user agreement. Only company I ever saw handle all this correctly was Digital. You bought a license for each CPU then you separately bought the media. You could use the media on as many computers as you wanted - as long as they each had a license. By making them two separate purchasable items, it made us track things better. I do it, and a lot of people do it but it is still violates the user agreement. sh. :) - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
On 12/9/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 4:41 PM -0500 12/09/2005, Krow Magnum wrote: On 12/9/05, john ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It does not indicate piracy in any way. For example when I upgraded tp Tiger I bought the family pack with 4 or 5 installs. And if you sell a Mac with one of those installs it should include a license transfer with it and you will have one less license. The vast majority of eBay sellers do not buy multi-licenses. I don't beleive you can break up a family-pack license that way. The point of the discount is that the licensees are all part of your household. - Dan. Probably not on the Family packs because Apple would loose money that way. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
At 5:07 PM -0500 12/09/2005, Tom W. wrote: On 12/9/05, Clark Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. There are plenty of stories of people getting busted for software piracy who've claimed they didn't know it was wrong. That defense rarely works. Why don't we start with one story? I've never, ever heard of a computer company coming after a user who sold his laptop with an OS on it. I know people get busted for duplicating software and then selling it, but a home user selling his computer getting hunted down by the police? I don't think so. Microsloth's hired / authorized copyright police have eBay terminate auctions regularly, regardless of who the seller is. But I don't think they push for fines and such against private individuals. Then there's the BSA, ?Business Software Association? The international copyright police that are employeed by the likes of MS. They go into companys and nail them for infringement. Then they check the employees homes to see if what they've copied... Big fines they collect! I don't recall hearing of a private seller getting busted for shipping a computer with an Apple OS on it... - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software Piracy
Hi, Listers! It is permisible by the eBay rules, to contact you about a similar item being auctioned in eBay. It is NOT permisible to contact you to offer you a similar item by-passing eBay, (a private sale). It is permisible to sell a computer with the OS only. The rules do not specify that the OS should be the original one for the computer. It is NOT permisible to include other software, like M$ Office, Adobe Photoshop, etc., if you advertise it, your auction will be cancelled, even if you include the erase disk clause. In more than a thousand eBay transactions, only ONCE did the seller sent me a letter transferring something to me. Really, he included the disks and a letter of transfer. Only one guy, in more than 300 computers and programs bought through eBay And an interesting story: I bought a Duo 230 some years ago, that included ALL the e-mail that this gal in a famous university ever sent. I'm seriously considering writing a novel based on this gal's VERY interesting love life, plus all the problems she had trying to adapt to the big university environment. It was very interesting reading, and made me a fanatic of the wipe every HD and re-install everything before selling it. Problem is, English is a second language to me, so I'm sure I would not do justice to the material. :-) Best regards. Hugo Diaz -- The only thing we knew for sure about Henry Porter is that his name wasn't Henry Porter Bob Dylan, Brownsville Girl -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software Piracy
On 12/9/05, macnifico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Listers! It is permisible to sell a computer with the OS only. The rules do not specify that the OS should be the original one for the computer. Where did you find that ? The original OS is a license issue, not an ebay issue. If the OS license is not being sold it is a copyright violation. As far as I know it's still a violation of the OS user agreement and ebay is specific about copyright infringement. There are too many different OS company and licenses for them to make one rule about OS's. It is NOT permisible to include other software, like M$ Office, Adobe Photoshop, etc., if you advertise it, your auction will be cancelled, even if you include the erase disk clause. This is the only thing I could find that specifically deals with software not allowed: Software loaded onto a hard drive that is not being sold with the original media (disks, manuals, etc.) Only occasionally do I see any CD's or DVD's included with computers. eBay does not really care that much and expect the members to police it and inform them of violations. But good luck getting anything done even if you can find where to file a complaint and file one. The erase disk clause is a joke.. Everyone knows what that means. In more than a thousand eBay transactions, only ONCE did the seller sent me a letter transferring something to me. Really, he included the disks and a letter of transfer. Only one guy, in more than 300 computers and programs bought through eBay Best regards. Hugo Diaz All of this is irrelevant anyway because you can put a Mac G3 or g4 on eBay any day of the week loaded with OS X Panther or Tiger, Adobe, Quark, etc. with no disks and it will not be cancelled. I see it all the time and have filed complaints when they use the apps as a selling point. Not one auction has been closed due to my complaints. The problem I have with it is i get tired of telling people that they didn't buy the Operating System and/or application they thought they bought. When there is a problem and or a boot disk is needed they are screwed. Most of those people bought Macs with current OS's and not what was original for the Mac. Many times they buy the Mac specifically for the software loaded. What happens when the hard drive dies ? They die all the time.. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
At 5:07 PM -0500 12/9/05, Tom W. wrote: On 12/9/05, Clark Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. There are plenty of stories of people getting busted for software piracy who've claimed they didn't know it was wrong. That defense rarely works. Why don't we start with one story? I've never, ever heard of a computer company coming after a user who sold his laptop with an OS on it. I know people get busted for duplicating software and then selling it, but a home user selling his computer getting hunted down by the police? I don't think so. Ah, the old it's only illegal if you get caught plan! -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
Every Mac sold has some OS shipped with it and it is legal to sell it with the same OS on the computer it shipped with. Tom On 12/9/05 10:35 PM, Clark Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't we start with one story? I've never, ever heard of a computer company coming after a user who sold his laptop with an OS on it. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software Piracy
At 9:30 PM -0600 12/09/2005, macnifico wrote: In more than a thousand eBay transactions, only ONCE did the seller sent me a letter transferring something to me. Really, he included the disks and a letter of transfer. Only one guy, in more than 300 computers and programs bought through eBay So many people don't realize they should include them. I request them for every software item I buy - and I get them. Never had anyone complain about it either. - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software Piracy
At 11:22 PM -0500 12/09/2005, Krow Magnum wrote: On 12/9/05, macnifico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is permisible to sell a computer with the OS only. The rules do not specify that the OS should be the original one for the computer. Where did you find that ? The original OS is a license issue, not an ebay issue. If the OS license is not being sold it is a copyright violation. Pardon? All Macs are licensed for their original OS. Period. You cannot sell them without the license going with it. Most PCs are licensed for their original copy of Windows. Likewise, you cannot sell them without the license going with it. IOW, there is no concept of not being sold with for that original license. All of this is irrelevant anyway because you can put a Mac G3 or g4 on eBay any day of the week loaded with OS X Panther or Tiger, Adobe, Quark, etc. with no disks and it will not be cancelled. Not true. Adobe and MS (to take two examples I've been hit with) have both hired copyright police companies to watch eBay. If you offer computers containing their products and no media license, there is a good chance the auctions will be canceled. And if you do it repeatedly, besides eBay suspension, you'll get a nice registered letter from the copyright holder's lawyers. :\ I see it all the time and have filed complaints when they use the apps as a selling point. Not one auction has been closed due to my complaints. As appropriate. It's not your copyright, therefore you have no legal standing to interfere with the auction. IOW, when you see an infringing auction, it's nice to report it to eBay - but you really need to report it to the copyright owner or their legal agent if you expect any action to be taken. See eBay's help area for information on their Verified Rights Owner (VeRO) program. aka the copyright police authorization rules. - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
At 8:35 PM -0800 12/09/2005, Clark Martin wrote: At 5:07 PM -0500 12/9/05, Tom W. wrote: I know people get busted for duplicating software and then selling it, but a home user selling his computer getting hunted down by the police? I don't think so. Ah, the old it's only illegal if you get caught plan! The NJ state senate is trying to change the rules regarding cell phone usage in cars. Right now it's a secondary offence here -- you can only get nailed if you're stopped for something else. They want to make it a primary offence. I want to know where instant messaging falls into all this! I've got a friend that sits his powerbook on the front seat, connected to the 'net via a bluetooth cell phone. He isn't holding it up to his ear, so he calls it hands free ... except when he's looking down at it to read incoming msgs then type responses - while driving. - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Software piracy
On Dec 9, 2005, at 5:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 4:41 PM -0500 12/09/2005, Krow Magnum wrote: On 12/9/05, john ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It does not indicate piracy in any way. For example when I upgraded tp Tiger I bought the family pack with 4 or 5 installs. And if you sell a Mac with one of those installs it should include a license transfer with it and you will have one less license. The vast majority of eBay sellers do not buy multi-licenses. I don't beleive you can break up a family-pack license that way. The point of the discount is that the licensees are all part of your household. Correct: Search http://store.apple.com/ for 'MA191' such as http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore?productLearnMore=MA191 Family Pack Software License Agreement allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on up to a maximum of five (5) Apple- labeled computers at a time as long as those computers are located in the same household and used by persons who occupy that same household. By household we mean a person or persons who share the same housing unit such as a home, apartment, mobile home or condominium, but shall also extend to student members who are primary residents of that household but residing at a separate on-campus location. This license does not extend to business or commercial users. i.e. you can buy it for your family and your kids in college, but you can't buy a family pack for the office and use it on your home computer or sell any of the other 4 on eBay. TjL -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
