Re: [gentoo-user] survey: gentoo corporate usage?
I completely agree with you, Mitchell, but we must take into account two things: branding and IT managers. Let's face it, although we all love it, Gentoo has a long way until it becomes a popular linux distribution. Here in Spain, when you talk about linux, people thinks about RedHat, Debian, Suse... that's branding, they managed to make their distributions popular. This doesn't mean their distributions are better than Gentoo, that only means that they have better marketing, maybe they are more user friendly when installing for totally novice users, ... So when we talk about corporate usage we must think also about IT managers. They are the one who are going to approve your crazy idea of putting in production that Gentoo distribution that they haven't ever heard of. He is the one that is gonna be kicked ass if the damn thing doesn't work. So if the RedHat stuff doesn't work, they always may blame RedHat and their certification program and move to another distro, so they feel backed in some sense. If the Gentoo stuff doesn't work, they will be probably fired, as there is no one else to blame. Do you know that phrase no one ever got fired for buying IBM? Perhaps we could apply the same here. So what should Gentoo do or provide for becoming a first order distribution (always in my humble opinion)? First of all, I think it should provide a graphical installer and updater for silly users in order to gain popularity in the desktop area. I mean, if a newbie with no linux experience has to decide between the linux from scracth approach of Gentoo and the graphical installer from RedHat, I bet he will pick RedHat (what the hell, I did it before I knew Gentoo). The graphical updater could use emerge behind the scenes, and always work in the stable branch, so this user doesn't break anything by accident (yes, I know about kportage, but I think it provides access to dangerous functionalities of emerge for a newbie). And second, I don't think this certification stuff is bad at all for Gentoo. This could provide a money income for Gentoo developers, as they could manage this certification stuff, and I think Gentoo would be better considered in the corporate environment. Add to this some scripts to the distribution or standardize the procedures described by some of the people that posted here for improving stability, and add a little marketing about speed and ease of maintenance and I think Gentoo could be soon the leading one in the IT boxes. Regards Jose gabriel wrote: On April 2, 2003 07:00 pm, Mitchell James wrote: Gentoo must have a CD distribution with certified training classes before it has a chance at my company. I also have had problems acheiving a stable configuration and wouldn't recommend your standard desktop user be exposed to that much pain. i have to say that this sort of response is VERY surprising to me. while i only have a small network here @home, i've had very few problems when it comes to stability (mostly the linux learning curve). and what's this about certified training classes? why would you need that? just pick up a book and go nuts. i've always felt that certification is just the windows world thinking being imposed on linux. ...i mean, how is having some piece of paper mean you can do your job? this, like everything else i post is not meant to be a match in a gas-filled room, but i find this thinking very odd and would like to hear if there are others who swing this way. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] survey: gentoo corporate usage?
I work in a windows based company as a new oracle dba. Having experience as a UNIX administrator for quite a time and working with linux since 2.0.35 (slackware), I had a hard time to learn how to work in a windows based lan with windows servers. Lucky for me, I have someone working here that loves Gentoo as much as I do. The result is clear: last week we placed the first Linux server in production, a gentoo box running Squid. This is just the start (I've been here less then 2 months). The chief is in doubt, but for the first time he can see that there is a cheaper way to provide better answers to the problems that come in a windows based enviroment. Yet another example is that we are going to set up a Oracle cluster on Linux. Also using Gentoo. Our developers are using Rogue Wave source pro C++ for some of their applications. They compile those on a Gentoo machine too. This machine uses distcc to speed up the compiling. As you see, the two of us ARE using Gentoo on the workfloor and the nice thing is... we are slowly getting rid of windows ;-) Bram Filip -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reinstallation of Konqueror browser by itself through emerge??
On April 2, 2003 11:43 pm, Arnold Krille wrote: On Thursday 03 April 2003 07:17, Carlos C. Gonzalez wrote: I can now use Konqueror again. The undefined symbol error I was getting also went away after rebooting the computer too. It should have been gone away after executing kdeinit ;-) We are not Windows where you have to reboot after every install ;-) LOL! Yeah I'm getting there but it's comforting to reboot once in a while. It just feels so right. LOL. Actually I had to turn off the computer since I was trying to find which circuit went with a hot wire (doing some renovation). When I turned the computer back on - presto! Everything worked again. I'll have to remember that kdeinit. But you know even though I know it I have this sense that it would be better to reboot and get a fresh start. I think that is definitely something that developed in me through the many years of having to reboot under Windows. I think you are right about that :). Old habits are hard to break. It still feels kinda odd to not have to reboot once in a while. Just doesn't feel right. Somebody should do a study on the long term effects of having been under Windows for a long period of time. Would make interesting reading :). Carlos www.internetsuccess.ca -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to use this list effectively?
On April 2, 2003 11:57 pm, Jan Drugowitsch wrote: I use KMail and yes I already have my lists going into seperate folders through filters but I guess that's it as far as I can go efficiently processing the list. It's back to the old Del key :). I am using KMail, too. However, by setting the folder options to expire the messages after 2 weeks, you won't have to many problems with deleting emails. The ones you really want to keep can then be moved into a seperate folder. Even if the gentoo-user folder is really full (I am now on the gentoo-user list since 4 days and have 253 messages in this folder) you can easily navigate by using 'Next Unread Message'. That's a least how I do it and it works quite well. Hi Jan. That's an excellent idea Jan. I set my gentoo mailing list folder to expire (I assume this means delete) messages that are unread after one day while never expiring messages that I have read. That way I can quickly traverse to messages I want to keep and read them so as to keep them from expiring. I'll have to see how that works out in real practice but it looks like a keeper! Great suggestion. Thanks. Carlos www.internetsuccess.ca -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reinstallation of Konqueror browser by itself through emerge??
On Wednesday 02 April 2003 10:47, Carlos C. Gonzalez wrote: One thing that is very confusing trying to figure this out is which directory KDE is using. .kde3 or .kde3.1. I have been told on the KDE list that it's .kde3 but there are files in my .kde3.1 directory that seem to be getting used such as my /home/carlos/.kde3.1/share/conf/bookmark.xml file. Gentoo uses a nonstandard kde scheme to allow for multiple kde's living next to eachother. Kde first looks for configuration at the .kde directory. This is a symlink to .kde3.1 . Also the konqueror file manager is just an embedded application in konqueror, so it can have non-konqueror configuration files. Paul -- Paul de Vrieze Researcher Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.cs.kun.nl/~pauldv pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Alt-Gr keys does not work - Solved
Patrick Marquetecken wrote: I hade delete the /var/tmp and placed a symbilic linkto another partition, as ondinary user i had no write wirghts there so Xfree could not write the file server-0.xkm. /var/tmp should have permissions: 1777 chmod 1777 /var/tmp Then all users can write to it, but not remove one another's files. MAL -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Reinstallation of Konqueror browser by itself through emerge??
Hi Paul, On April 3, 2003 02:12 am, Paul de Vrieze wrote: On Wednesday 02 April 2003 10:47, Carlos C. Gonzalez wrote: One thing that is very confusing trying to figure this out is which directory KDE is using. .kde3 or .kde3.1. I have been told on the KDE list that it's .kde3 but there are files in my .kde3.1 directory that seem to be getting used such as my /home/carlos/.kde3.1/share/conf/bookmark.xml file. Gentoo uses a nonstandard kde scheme to allow for multiple kde's living next to eachother. Kde first looks for configuration at the .kde directory. This is a symlink to .kde3.1 . Also the konqueror file manager is just an embedded application in konqueror, so it can have non-konqueror configuration files. Thanks for your input Paul. I think I will just clean out my KDE 3.0 branch and then see what's left to better understand this non-standard kde scheme under Gentoo. It's still a bit confusing because even though I understand the symbolic link to .kde3.1 it seems that some files like bookmarks.xml are used inside my .kde3.1 directory while others like my konquerorrc file come out of my .kde3 directory. Very confusing to say the least. My .kde3.1 directory has hardly anything in it (at least config wise) while my .kde3 directory is full of stuff. Yet I always use KDE 3.1. Go figure. Oh well. I'll see what's left after I get rid of KDE 3.0 and go from there. Thanks again Paul. Carlos www.internetsuccess.ca -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New NVidia drivers
With my GeForce3 works fine, the locks with open gl screensavers has gone. Chears. -- Scientia et sapientia patrimonium humanitatis sunt. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Injected Packages
Hello all, some time ago I asked about a way to skip some packages that only have minor release changes when doing an emerge -u world. One of the answers was, to inject these packages and I am using the way right now. What I would like to know is, if ther is a way to get a list of all injected packages? kportage shows injected packages in another color than installed ones so it should be possible. Thanks for any tips. Christian -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] docbook-sgml-utils-0.6.12 problem
Trying to update my system gives this error when trying to upgrade docbook-sgml-utils-0.6.12. Any ideas what I can do to get around it or fix it? jade:../../doc/refentry/jw.sgml:81:25:E: element GROUP undefined jade:../../doc/refentry/jw.sgml:82:12:E: element ARG undefined jade:../../doc/refentry/jw.sgml:82:20:E: element OPTION undefined jade:I: maximum number of errors (200) reached; change with -E option make[2]: *** [api.html] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/docbook-sgml-utils-0.6.12/work/docbook-utils-0.6.12/doc/HTML' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/docbook-sgml-utils-0.6.12/work/docbook-utils-0.6.12/doc' make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 -- Erlend Simonsen - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] What happened to acpi?
Hi all, gentoo-sources 2.4.20-r1 used to give my Compaq EVO N800C proper acpi support, i.e. closing the lid would turn off the display. (Very important, otherwise the machine will heat up too much) The current version doesn't do this anymore, and the ebuild of acpi-sources has disappeared. What is left todo? Any ideas? Best regards, - Christian p.s.: Regarding acpi: Is there any ebuild to enable the sleep mode on laptops? That would be really useful... pps.: I really appreciate this gentoo support. It has already helped me a lot, I've tried 3 other distros as well (RH, Suse, sorcerer) and this is by far the one I like best in terms of performance and support. Thanks! -- Christian Aust mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 84500990 - Yahoo!: datenimperator - MSN: datenimperator PGP: A073 F9CD 2F23 25D2 EB95 E7A3 B9B4 2AF3 E103 DB5A -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Masking whole branches of Portage
On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 01:32, Matt Neimeyer wrote: I know I saw this before but I don't remember if there was a solution... What I'm wondering is if there is a way to mask off entire branches of Portage that I know I will never need... and thus will never be fetched when I do an emerge sync? (thus saving on bandwidth... which I'm billed for) For example, I will never need x11, gnome or kde on my web/mail server... so I'd just as soon rather not fetch those branches. Thanks! Matt Sounds like RSYNC_EXCLUDEFROM is exactly what you are looking for. In make.conf set RSYNC_EXCLUDEFROM=file location here and in the specified file put what packages you want to block. An example of my file is: /kde-base /app-emacs /app-xemacs This blocks all files in the kde-base, app-emacs, and app-xemacs directories, since I never intend to use any of the packages in those directories. Another one for you would be /x11-* which would block all of the x11 packages. Check out man rsync under Exclude Patterns for more patterns you can use to block packages. I have used this with quite a bit of success in trying to lower bandwidth usage of gentoo (being on a capped internet connection). I'm not entirely sure what version of portage introduced this, I know it was fairly recently. I am using this feature perfectly with Portage v2.0.47-r10. Richard -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] A few sound problems
Hello. I have gentoo running flawlessly on my machine at home, although I've had a few sound problems lately. Permissions in /dev/sound/* are 660 (root.audio), and when I open kde using a standard account (in audio group), sound works fine. However, after leaving kde, permissions in the devices get set to 600 (myuser.audio). If another user tries to enter kde, they get no sound. I don't know where the issue should be. devfsd.conf permissions are being set before anything actually uses the device (660, root.audio), but after using they are lost. Also, when running xmms in kde (using arts output plugin), the volume bar does nothing. Am I doing something wrong here? Thanks, -- Bruno Lustosa, aka Lofofora | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator/Web Programmer | ICQ UIN: 1406477 Rio de Janeiro - Brazil | -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Installation/Deinstallation of rhythmbox
Hi, i'm going to install Rhythmbox. But i normal install only programs with if possible no KDE or Gnome support it make some programs heavy to load, now i've seen that rhythmbox have from both files !! If i want to deinstall it, do i just emerge -C XXX and go from bottom to top from wat the emerge depenties list gives me? so from rhytmbox up to linc Patrick [ebuild N ] net-libs/linc-1.0.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/ORBit2-2.6.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gconf-2.2.0 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/bonobo-activation-2.2.1.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libbonobo-2.2.1 [ebuild N ] dev-python/PyXML-0.8.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libglade-2.0.1 [ebuild N ] media-libs/libart_lgpl-2.3.11 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomecanvas-2.2.0.2 [ebuildU ] dev-libs/libxml2-2.5.6 [2.5.2] [ebuild N ] dev-libs/libxslt-1.0.29 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.2.0 [ebuild N ] net-nds/portmap-5b-r7 [ebuild N ] app-admin/fam-oss-2.6.9-r2 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.2.4 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnome-2.2.0.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libbonoboui-2.2.0.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.2.0.1 [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme-1.0.1 [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gtk-engines-metal-2.2.0 [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gtk-engines-thinice-2.0.2 [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gtk-engines-redmond95-2.2.0 [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gtk-engines-pixbuf-2.2.0 [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gnome-themes-2.2.1 [ebuild N ] app-text/scrollkeeper-0.3.12 [ebuild N ] x11-libs/libwnck-2.2.1 [ebuild N ] x11-libs/startup-notification-0.5 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-desktop-2.2.1-r1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-panel-2.2.1 [ebuild N ] media-libs/jpeg-mmx-1.1.2-r1 [ebuild N ] media-sound/cdparanoia-3.9.8 [ebuild N ] kde-base/kde-env-3-r2 [ebuild N ] kde-base/arts-1.1.1 [ebuild N ] media-libs/svgalib-1.9.17-r1 [ebuild N ] dev-lang/nasm-0.98.36 [ebuild N ] media-libs/libsdl-1.2.5-r1 [ebuild N ] media-libs/libmovtar-0.1.3-r1 [ebuild N ] media-libs/libdv-0.98 [ebuild N ] media-libs/quicktime4linux-1.5.5-r1 [ebuild N ] media-libs/win32codecs-0.90.1-r2 [ebuild N ] media-libs/xvid-0.9.1 [ebuild N ] media-libs/divx4linux-20020418-r2 [ebuild N ] media-libs/libogg-1.0 [ebuild N ] media-libs/libvorbis-1.0-r2 [ebuild N ] media-sound/lame-3.93.1-r1 [ebuild N ] media-video/ffmpeg-0.4.6-r1 [ebuild N ] media-sound/mad-0.14.2b-r2 [ebuild N ] media-video/avifile-0.7.32.20030219 [ebuild N ] media-video/mjpegtools-1.6.0-r7 [ebuild N ] media-libs/libmikmod-3.1.10 [ebuild N ] media-sound/xmms-1.2.7-r19 [ebuild N ] media-libs/id3lib-3.8.3 [ebuild N ] media-libs/flac-1.1.0 [ebuild N ] media-libs/gstreamer-0.4.2-r1 [ebuild N ] x11-libs/fltk-1.1.2-r1 [ebuild N ] media-libs/libsndfile-1.0.4 [ebuild N ] media-sound/jack-audio-connection-kit-0.61.0 [ebuild N ] media-libs/libmpeg2-0.2.1 [ebuild N ] media-sound/mpg123-0.59r-r2 [ebuild N ] media-libs/openquicktime-1.0 [ebuild N ] media-libs/ladspa-sdk-1.12 [ebuild N ] media-libs/hermes-1.3.2-r2 [ebuild N ] media-libs/gst-plugins-0.4.2-r2 [ebuild N ] media-libs/musicbrainz-2.0.1 [ebuild N ] media-libs/monkey-media-0.6.1 [ebuild N ] media-sound/rhythmbox-0.4.1-r1 -- Knowledge in a databank,is like food which is in a deepfreeze. Nothing comes out better than what is initially put in. PGP Key: http://users.pandora.be/rivendell/marquetp.gpg Registered Linux User #44550 http://counter.li.org pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Which Cryptoloop Cipher should I use?
Probably best to read the judges report on the AES finalists. Any of them should be decent, Rijndael seems to give a good compromise between speed/security, I'm using Serpent because it seems to be the simplest and most secure (in that, the way it's designed, it's unlikely an exploit will be discovered - it uses well analysed techniques). It's meant to be slow but I haven't found that a problem. But do read up on it yourself! Dan On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 11:20:06PM +0200, Florian Dittmer wrote: Dear Community, I would like to encrypt some of my file systems and use cryptoloop. I am wondering which of the available ciphers would be the best proportion of speed/security. Greetings Florian -- Florian Dittmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Installation/Deinstallation of rhythmbox
Just emerge -C rhythmbox will suffice :) On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 06:43, Patrick Marquetecken wrote: Hi, i'm going to install Rhythmbox. But i normal install only programs with if possible no KDE or Gnome support it make some programs heavy to load, now i've seen that rhythmbox have from both files !! If i want to deinstall it, do i just emerge -C XXX and go from bottom to top from wat the emerge depenties list gives me? so from rhytmbox up to linc Patrick [ebuild N ] net-libs/linc-1.0.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/ORBit2-2.6.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gconf-2.2.0 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/bonobo-activation-2.2.1.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libbonobo-2.2.1 [ebuild N ] dev-python/PyXML-0.8.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libglade-2.0.1 [ebuild N ] media-libs/libart_lgpl-2.3.11 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomecanvas-2.2.0.2 [ebuildU ] dev-libs/libxml2-2.5.6 [2.5.2] [ebuild N ] dev-libs/libxslt-1.0.29 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.2.0 [ebuild N ] net-nds/portmap-5b-r7 [ebuild N ] app-admin/fam-oss-2.6.9-r2 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.2.4 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnome-2.2.0.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libbonoboui-2.2.0.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.2.0.1 [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme-1.0.1 [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gtk-engines-metal-2.2.0 [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gtk-engines-thinice-2.0.2 [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gtk-engines-redmond95-2.2.0 [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gtk-engines-pixbuf-2.2.0 [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gnome-themes-2.2.1 [ebuild N ] app-text/scrollkeeper-0.3.12 [ebuild N ] x11-libs/libwnck-2.2.1 [ebuild N ] x11-libs/startup-notification-0.5 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-desktop-2.2.1-r1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-panel-2.2.1 [ebuild N ] media-libs/jpeg-mmx-1.1.2-r1 [ebuild N ] media-sound/cdparanoia-3.9.8 [ebuild N ] kde-base/kde-env-3-r2 [ebuild N ] kde-base/arts-1.1.1 [ebuild N ] media-libs/svgalib-1.9.17-r1 [ebuild N ] dev-lang/nasm-0.98.36 [ebuild N ] media-libs/libsdl-1.2.5-r1 [ebuild N ] media-libs/libmovtar-0.1.3-r1 [ebuild N ] media-libs/libdv-0.98 [ebuild N ] media-libs/quicktime4linux-1.5.5-r1 [ebuild N ] media-libs/win32codecs-0.90.1-r2 [ebuild N ] media-libs/xvid-0.9.1 [ebuild N ] media-libs/divx4linux-20020418-r2 [ebuild N ] media-libs/libogg-1.0 [ebuild N ] media-libs/libvorbis-1.0-r2 [ebuild N ] media-sound/lame-3.93.1-r1 [ebuild N ] media-video/ffmpeg-0.4.6-r1 [ebuild N ] media-sound/mad-0.14.2b-r2 [ebuild N ] media-video/avifile-0.7.32.20030219 [ebuild N ] media-video/mjpegtools-1.6.0-r7 [ebuild N ] media-libs/libmikmod-3.1.10 [ebuild N ] media-sound/xmms-1.2.7-r19 [ebuild N ] media-libs/id3lib-3.8.3 [ebuild N ] media-libs/flac-1.1.0 [ebuild N ] media-libs/gstreamer-0.4.2-r1 [ebuild N ] x11-libs/fltk-1.1.2-r1 [ebuild N ] media-libs/libsndfile-1.0.4 [ebuild N ] media-sound/jack-audio-connection-kit-0.61.0 [ebuild N ] media-libs/libmpeg2-0.2.1 [ebuild N ] media-sound/mpg123-0.59r-r2 [ebuild N ] media-libs/openquicktime-1.0 [ebuild N ] media-libs/ladspa-sdk-1.12 [ebuild N ] media-libs/hermes-1.3.2-r2 [ebuild N ] media-libs/gst-plugins-0.4.2-r2 [ebuild N ] media-libs/musicbrainz-2.0.1 [ebuild N ] media-libs/monkey-media-0.6.1 [ebuild N ] media-sound/rhythmbox-0.4.1-r1 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Question:
Is re-bootstrapping from within a live gentoo installation a good idea, or will that Break Things? Chris signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Apache
On April 3, 2003 02:22 am, Ryan Oberto wrote: On 4/3/03 2:09 AM, gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On April 2, 2003 02:51 am, Ryan Oberto wrote: I emerge -u world last night And this morning my apache wont start I get this error [wed Apr 2 09:45:21 2003] [alert] mod_unique_id:unable to gethostbyname (cygnus) you need to be more explicit here. what packages did you update? is cygnus the name in your /etc/hostname? more info please. I emerge my whole system witch updated apache My machines hostname is cygnus.bondsa.co.za yes it is the same as my /etc/hostname When I try start it my logs just keep giving me that error from above If you need more info please let me know thanks well since i've never had the above problem i have no idea how to help you... but i did find this link: http://freebsdhowtos.com/9.html maybe your firewall is preventing your nameserver from resolving its own name? also check that /etc/hostname has exactly the same contents as what you've specified is the hostname in your apache.conf. i don't think that cygnus is enough in this case, and that maybe you have to have the complete resolvable name cygnus.bondsa.co.za. -- it is easy to believe in freedom of speech for those with whom we agree. - leo mckern -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] survey: gentoo corporate usage?
Trying to understand the perspective of the 'business people,' as we call them in mixed company, I can kind of understand. First off, Redhat is like the IBM/Microsoft of Linux, so selling management on why Linux != Redhat is a challenge. So lets say you tell them they can run their ancient, junky machines and they'll scream and the security is serious, and it's updated like every 20 seconds, and they bob their heads around like you're getting to them. Now you need to close the deal. Redhat has training classes, certification, and professional services. Reassuring. Mitigated risk, is what those business types call it. And version #s make life easier for some people. Seems reasonable to me to come out with a CD every 6 months with the stable, tested Gentoo of that moment, easily updated each 6 months, and offer training ( a book) and certification. I'd personally lean toward making the CD have a nice installer with hardware detection, possibly built off of Knoppix. Anyone else find this interesting? Josh Date: Wednesday, 02 April 2003 18:00:57 -0600 From: Mitchell James [EMAIL PROTECTED][Save address] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] survey: gentoo corporate usage? [Show all headers] [Printer-friendly version] We are using Gentoo for image generation systems used for high end training simulators (our product). The IT department supplies Redhat for the desktop systems. This is more a problem of IT being able to get certified training on Redhat and therefore something that they feel that they can put on a resume for the next job. Also IT is not interested in having current updates on the desktop, all they want is one stable load that can last several years before the next update. They have just decided to go to Redhat 8.0 from 7.2. That should happen in the next year. Most of the desktops still run Windows 2000 or earlier. Gentoo must have a CD distribution with certified training classes before it has a chance at my company. I also have had problems acheiving a stable configuration and wouldn't recommend your standard desktop user be exposed to that much pain. Mitchell James EASY and FREE access to your email anywhere: http://kralweb.com/mail Need cheap webhosting? Visit: http://genialt.no -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] survey: gentoo corporate usage?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Seems to me the spirit of Gentoo is not to 'compete' with redhat or any other distribution. Being more a meta-distribution allows the user to control what they have on there machine. That and the portage systems keeps my machine up to date with the software I choose to install. It also allows me to avoid rpm dependency nightmares. (Anyone remember what it was like installing Xine on RedHat?) If a company can not understand those issues, (Linux != RedHat) they should stick with Redhat, and more power to them. But to expect Gentoo to become like RedHat seems to me a way of limiting choice. Educate the companies.. do not dumb down Gentoo! my 2 cents - -- Robert Spahr http://www.brainwrench.com PGP Public Key http://www.brainwrench.com/rob/public_key On Thursday 03 April 2003 09:23 am, Josh McCormack wrote: Trying to understand the perspective of the 'business people,' as we call them in mixed company, I can kind of understand. First off, Redhat is like the IBM/Microsoft of Linux, so selling management on why Linux != Redhat is a challenge. So lets say you tell them they can run their ancient, junky machines and they'll scream and the security is serious, and it's updated like every 20 seconds, and they bob their heads around like you're getting to them. Now you need to close the deal. Redhat has training classes, certification, and professional services. Reassuring. Mitigated risk, is what those business types call it. And version #s make life easier for some people. Seems reasonable to me to come out with a CD every 6 months with the stable, tested Gentoo of that moment, easily updated each 6 months, and offer training ( a book) and certification. I'd personally lean toward making the CD have a nice installer with hardware detection, possibly built off of Knoppix. Anyone else find this interesting? Josh Date: Wednesday, 02 April 2003 18:00:57 -0600 From: Mitchell James [EMAIL PROTECTED][Save address] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] survey: gentoo corporate usage? [Show all headers] [Printer-friendly version] We are using Gentoo for image generation systems used for high end training simulators (our product). The IT department supplies Redhat for the desktop systems. This is more a problem of IT being able to get certified training on Redhat and therefore something that they feel that they can put on a resume for the next job. Also IT is not interested in having current updates on the desktop, all they want is one stable load that can last several years before the next update. They have just decided to go to Redhat 8.0 from 7.2. That should happen in the next year. Most of the desktops still run Windows 2000 or earlier. Gentoo must have a CD distribution with certified training classes before it has a chance at my company. I also have had problems acheiving a stable configuration and wouldn't recommend your standard desktop user be exposed to that much pain. Mitchell James EASY and FREE access to your email anywhere: http://kralweb.com/mail Need cheap webhosting? Visit: http://genialt.no -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+jE8W/+o2J7d7xT0RAgUZAJ9mj/7N3vGS6JTO3/j5ifomtGKqBgCg0pKX D/7zqPGBI99OEtsVhbQJrS4= =NmAH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] PCtel 'Winmodem' Driver
I have a PCtel modem and I am trying to get the PCtel modem driver to work. I am not having much success. I get the following for pctel-0.9.6 /tmp/pctel-0.9.6 0 $ insmod pctel Using /lib/modules/2.4.20/misc/pctel.o /lib/modules/2.4.20/misc/pctel.o: The module you are trying to load (/lib/modules/2.4.20/misc/pctel.o) is compiled with a gcc version 2 compiler, while the kernel you are running is compiled with a gcc version 3 compiler. This is known to not work. I am using gcc version: gcc version 3.2.2 20030322 (Gentoo Linux 1.4 3.2.2-r2) Has anyone gotten a PCtel modem to work in Gentoo? Also, will there be a gentoo-package for it anytime soon? Thanks -Alex -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo support for GNU emacs?
Hi Steve, I maintain app-emacs/ and also app-xemacs (looking for help with the latter btw). Steve Juranich [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've noticed that there's a lot of packages that I want to use with plain GNU emacs, but Gentoo only provides these packages for Xemacs (e.g., leim, ess). leim support for app-emacs is via the use flag leim. Add that to your use and re-emerge emacs. So what I've been doing is installing the packages by hand to work with GNU emacs, but is there a way to make these ebuilds work with plain GNU emacs? It would make my life much easier. Yes. You can do either of two things: 1. create an ebuild for the missing app-emacs package and submit it at bugzilla. 2. make a request for the missing app-emacs package (also via bugzilla). Obviously, the former is better (its less work for me! ;) But the latter is definitely acceptable also. I've started you off: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18694 Matt -- Matthew Kennedy Gentoo Linux Developer Bugs go to http://bugs.gentoo.org! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Mozilla mime types
Hi, i have installed mozila 1.2.1-r5 but there is no mime type list,do i have to ceate that manualy, if so where can i find a list of all those types ? TIA Patrick -- Knowledge in a databank,is like food which is in a deepfreeze. Nothing comes out better than what is initially put in. PGP Key: http://users.pandora.be/rivendell/marquetp.gpg Registered Linux User #44550 http://counter.li.org pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Which Cryptoloop Cipher should I use?
Daniel Jaeggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Probably best to read the judges report on the AES finalists. Any of them should be decent, Rijndael seems to give a good compromise between speed/security, I'm using Serpent because it seems to be the simplest Indeed. Its been said that Serpent is as good as Rijndael (now AES), however Serpent is faster in my configuration (keybits 256 btw). Matt -- Matthew Kennedy Gentoo Linux Developer Bugs go to http://bugs.gentoo.org! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Odd issue with gentoo-sources-2.4.20-r2 - fixed
* Chris van der Pennen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [03-04-2003 11:21]: It was ACPI. Damned crappy acpi support. I can't wait for kernel 2.6. I've read somewhere something in the lines of everyone is waiting for kernel 2.6, but on the other hand, there are too few people testing the 2.5 tree. Without many people to actually test and report the errors, it'll be hard for 2.6 to come out as stable as we all want. As for me, I downloaded latest 2.5 and compiled at home. I suggest you doing the same in a machine you can spare running an unstable kernel. -- Bruno Lustosa, aka Lofofora | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator/Web Programmer | ICQ UIN: 1406477 Rio de Janeiro - Brazil | -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] PCtel 'Winmodem' Driver
The problem is just as it says. You can't insert a module built with GCC 2.x into a running kernel compiled with GCC 3.x. You have to wait until a new binary module is released that is compiled with GCC 3.x. Or, if you *really* want it, you could compile your kernel on another linux box with GCC 2.x and then bring it back to your box. Then the module should work without a problem. You could also downgrade your GCC to 2.x, but this is probably a bad idea, if even possible without breaking a lot of things. Alex wrote: I have a PCtel modem and I am trying to get the PCtel modem driver to work. I am not having much success. I get the following for pctel-0.9.6 /tmp/pctel-0.9.6 0 $ insmod pctel Using /lib/modules/2.4.20/misc/pctel.o /lib/modules/2.4.20/misc/pctel.o: The module you are trying to load (/lib/modules/2.4.20/misc/pctel.o) is compiled with a gcc version 2 compiler, while the kernel you are running is compiled with a gcc version 3 compiler. This is known to not work. -- Andrew Gaffney -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to use this list effectively?
On Thursday 03 April 2003 12:21 am, Carlos C. Gonzalez wrote: Oh well. Lists seem to be much better than forums for some odd reason but they sure do fill up the mailboxes. You're not supposed to actually read them. They're there to make it seem like you know about certain subjects. I've got absolutely tonnes of unread list mail about Java, Cocoa, Objective-C and suchlike. You'd think that I actually know how to program. Same as my bookshelf. None of it has the slightest meaning to me, however, and I'm as unable to program as I ever was, 20 years ago. However, just looking at all the mail pile up lets me see statistically which are the popular topics, so I know which words to use when discussing technology. -- Ian Tindale -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] portage error
([EMAIL PROTECTED])-(11:27)-(~) emerge kdeedu -Cp These are the packages that I would unmerge: Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/bin/emerge, line 1699, in ? if 1==unmerge(myaction, myfiles): File /usr/bin/emerge, line 1321, in unmerge for y in localtree.dep_nomatch(mydep): File /usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/portage.py, line 2371, in dep_nomatch nolist=self.dbapi.cp_list(mykey) File /usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/portage.py, line 2761, in cp_list if ps[0]==mysplit[1]: IndexError: list index out of range ([EMAIL PROTECTED])-(11:27)-(~) emerge kdeedu -p These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuildU-] kde-base/kdeedu-3.1.1 [3.1] -- Kurt --- There is no good and evil; there is only power. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] rdate vs. ntpdate
Hi! In the last GWN http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20030401-newsletter.xml#doc_chap8 there was something on how to sync the local clock using rdate. Whats the difference to using ntpdate? Timo -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: How to use this list effectively?
Carlos C. Gonzalez wrote: Sounds very interesting Jehan. May I ask, have you noticed any increase in spam as a result of using their service? I mean does your email address get picked up by spammers more so using their service than just straight mailling list use? Every post on the mailing list are forwarded to the newsgroup and vice versa. So that your email address goes to a newsgroups first or the mailing first, it's the same. Now, gmane could sell the addresses if they wanted to but there would be no reason for them to get the address from people sending a post to the newsgroups and not from those sending to the mailing list. Otherwise, I haven't looked in detail but they have some way thing to help protect against address harvesting (http://gmane.org/tmda.php). Jehan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Question:
Assuming you set up the mount points and chroot as per the instructions it won't hurt. I've done it. On 03 Apr 2003 23:54:30 +0930 Chris van der Pennen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is re-bootstrapping from within a live gentoo installation a good idea, or will that Break Things? Chris -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Mozilla and Phoenix (was: Mozilla mime types)
On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 09:10, Alan wrote: On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 01:27:44PM -0300, Bruno Lustosa wrote: * Patrick Marquetecken [EMAIL PROTECTED] [03-04-2003 13:21]: i have installed mozila 1.2.1-r5 but there is no mime type list,do i have to ceate that manualy, if so where can i find a list of all those types ? Also, regarding Mozilla, it's already complaining about being too old. Is there an ebuild somewhere that will take the nightly sources from mozilla.org and build it? Go into /usr/portage/net-www/mozilla and emerge the 1.3.x ebuild that's in there. Also, I'm not at home now (running Debian here at work), so I can't check, but is there an ebuild to build Phoenix? Mozilla is nice, but has lots of things I really don't need or don't want. Yup, emerge phoenix-bin IIRC. or you could even try emerge phoenix-cvs :) -- alex -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] PCtel 'Winmodem' Driver
I was afraid someone would say that but the weird thing is that I just built the module with gcc 3.x! -Alex On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 10:26, Andrew Gaffney wrote: The problem is just as it says. You can't insert a module built with GCC 2.x into a running kernel compiled with GCC 3.x. You have to wait until a new binary module is released that is compiled with GCC 3.x. Or, if you *really* want it, you could compile your kernel on another linux box with GCC 2.x and then bring it back to your box. Then the module should work without a problem. You could also downgrade your GCC to 2.x, but this is probably a bad idea, if even possible without breaking a lot of things. Alex wrote: I have a PCtel modem and I am trying to get the PCtel modem driver to work. I am not having much success. I get the following for pctel-0.9.6 /tmp/pctel-0.9.6 0 $ insmod pctel Using /lib/modules/2.4.20/misc/pctel.o /lib/modules/2.4.20/misc/pctel.o: The module you are trying to load (/lib/modules/2.4.20/misc/pctel.o) is compiled with a gcc version 2 compiler, while the kernel you are running is compiled with a gcc version 3 compiler. This is known to not work. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Apache
Don't know if this will help or not, but I had the same error reported and solved it by putting localhost inside apache.conf where it asks for ServerName. ServerName localhost Maybe that doesn't fit your needs but it worked for me. I can now access apache from within my home net. On April 3, 2003 02:22 am, Ryan Oberto wrote: On 4/3/03 2:09 AM, gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On April 2, 2003 02:51 am, Ryan Oberto wrote: I emerge -u world last night And this morning my apache wont start I get this error [wed Apr 2 09:45:21 2003] [alert] mod_unique_id:unable to gethostbyname (cygnus) you need to be more explicit here. what packages did you update? is cygnus the name in your /etc/hostname? more info please. I emerge my whole system witch updated apache My machines hostname is cygnus.bondsa.co.za yes it is the same as my /etc/hostname When I try start it my logs just keep giving me that error from above If you need more info please let me know thanks well since i've never had the above problem i have no idea how to help you... but i did find this link: http://freebsdhowtos.com/9.html maybe your firewall is preventing your nameserver from resolving its own name? also check that /etc/hostname has exactly the same contents as what you've specified is the hostname in your apache.conf. i don't think that cygnus is enough in this case, and that maybe you have to have the complete resolvable name cygnus.bondsa.co.za. -- it is easy to believe in freedom of speech for those with whom we agree. - leo mckern -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] X flicker,flicker,flicker fine...
Hello everyone, I've, well, kind of an annoyance. This has been occurring since introducing a KVM at Christmas(my fam splurged this year). The monitor is a Sync-Master 950P. When X starts the screen flickers a few times and then loads my win-manager. This take ~10 seconds. This also occurs when switching between vc's. I thought this could be related to my AGP driver but after forcing AGPGART the problem persists. I was hoping someone could help direct me to a utility for the ModeLine value to this monitor or any suggestions that I might attempt. Thanks for any and all help, TIA, Jesse. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] X flicker,flicker,flicker fine...
Hello Again, Just to clarify, I've used xvidtune for the appropriate one line values but this did not help. What I would like to find is a utility for the horizontal and vertical timings at each resolution. TIA, Jesse. Jesse Jacobs said: Hello everyone, I've, well, kind of an annoyance. This has been occurring since introducing a KVM at Christmas(my fam splurged this year). The monitor is a Sync-Master 950P. When X starts the screen flickers a few times and then loads my win-manager. This take ~10 seconds. This also occurs when switching between vc's. I thought this could be related to my AGP driver but after forcing AGPGART the problem persists. I was hoping someone could help direct me to a utility for the ModeLine value to this monitor or any suggestions that I might attempt. Thanks for any and all help, TIA, Jesse. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] make.defaults USE settings
Jan, Here are the USE variables in /etc/make.profile/make.defaults USE=x86 oss 3dnow apm arts avi berkdb crypt cups encode gdbm gif gpm gtk imlib java jpeg kde gnome libg++ libwww mikmod mmx motif mpeg ncurses nls oggvorbis opengl pam pdflib png python qt quicktime readline sdl slang spell ssl svga tcpd truetype X xml2 xmms xv zlib -Jon GenKiller Gaudette Webmaster - http://www.digital-drip.com On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 12:52, Jan Drugowitsch wrote: I've set the USE flags in /etc/make.conf while comiling gcc and have just noticed that it merged them to /etc/make.profile/make.defaults, resetting the make.conf to its previous state. As I don't want to mess around with these settings and reset them to the defaults, could someone please send me the default USE settings of make.defaults so that I can reset them (gcc 3.2). Or is this supposed to be the normal behaviour? Pleeease anyone? It doesn't take more than a minute! Thanks, Jan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Apache
On Thursday 03 April 2003 19:51, Tom Nicholson wrote: Don't know if this will help or not, but I had the same error reported and solved it by putting localhost inside apache.conf where it asks for ServerName. ServerName localhost Maybe that doesn't fit your needs but it worked for me. I can now access apache from within my home net. Just add your ip address and hostname to /etc/hosts -- Paul de Vrieze Researcher Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Package management for non-ebuild software
On Thursday 03 April 2003 01:39, Timothy Grant wrote: On Wednesday 02 April 2003 01:25 pm, Matt Garman wrote: On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 09:07:09PM +0100, Jan Drugowitsch wrote: Is there any way with standard-gentoo tools to also keep track of software installed with ./configure make make install? I used install-log with LFS, but if there's a chance to use a different system I would be glad to hear about it. I'm not sure about the standard gentoo requirement, but a very good manager of compiled-from-vanilla-source packages is epkg: http://encap.cites.uiuc.edu/epkg/ It is similar in concept to GNU stow. I use stow, never heard of epkg before, can you elucidate on the differences between them, or perchance why epkg is a better choice? Why just not write an ebuild. Often even the skel ebuild just works with your package, and you just need to add the url. (/usr/portage/skel.ebuild) It is really easy to write ebuilds, and if you made some mistake you can often just go on where you left after correcting the problem. Paul -- Paul de Vrieze Researcher Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Request for bug fix
On Wednesday 02 April 2003 22:20, Tom Wesley wrote: Hi, Is there any way that I can request of bug fix be merge from kde cvs into gentoo if possible. I have an annoyed kde bug #56279 (http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56279) I'm not sure if the fix can be implemented, and I'm not a good enough c++ coder to even break into much more than a Hello world Maybe you should file a bug to this respect. Most developers only sieve through this list as it is very high volume. Paul -- Paul de Vrieze Researcher Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Package management for non-ebuild software
I use stow, never heard of epkg before, can you elucidate on the differences between them, or perchance why epkg is a better choice? Why just not write an ebuild. Often even the skel ebuild just works with your package, and you just need to add the url. (/usr/portage/skel.ebuild) It is really easy to write ebuilds, and if you made some mistake you can often just go on where you left after correcting the problem. I have been wondering a lot lately whether it is possible to have a mechanism in Portage to install software which just requires a configure, make, make install. We know that usually using the skel.ebuild is enough. Probably we could add a feature to emerge so one would emerge --custom some_source and Portage would untar into the work dir the file /usr/portate/distfiles/some_source-2.9.tar.gz (or other extensions etc..) and would carry out a simple skel.ebuild (or we could have 2 or 3 other variations if the first one or two fail to compile). It would then enter into the Portage database as custom.some_source-2.9 or with some other prefix so Portage knows it is a special ebuild (as in there is no ebuild.) It doesn't look too hard to implement such a feature. What do you people think? -- Vano D [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Package management for non-ebuild software
On Thursday 03 April 2003 9:39 pm, Vano D wrote: I use stow, never heard of epkg before, can you elucidate on the differences between them, or perchance why epkg is a better choice? Why just not write an ebuild. Often even the skel ebuild just works with your package, and you just need to add the url. (/usr/portage/skel.ebuild) It is really easy to write ebuilds, and if you made some mistake you can often just go on where you left after correcting the problem. I have been wondering a lot lately whether it is possible to have a mechanism in Portage to install software which just requires a configure, make, make install. We know that usually using the skel.ebuild is enough. Probably we could add a feature to emerge so one would emerge --custom some_source and Portage would untar into the work dir the file /usr/portate/distfiles/some_source-2.9.tar.gz (or other extensions etc..) and would carry out a simple skel.ebuild (or we could have 2 or 3 other variations if the first one or two fail to compile). It would then enter into the Portage database as custom.some_source-2.9 or with some other prefix so Portage knows it is a special ebuild (as in there is no ebuild.) It doesn't look too hard to implement such a feature. What do you people think? I'm new here, but if the skel.ebuild file fits well in this case it would probably be doable with a script. One thing that strikes me as being more urgent would be to allow sources to be built as non-root and installed as root. -- Tom Wesley Please encrypt personal replies if possible. pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] survey: gentoo corporate usage?
Seems to me the spirit of Gentoo is not to 'compete' with redhat or any other distribution. Being more a meta-distribution allows the user to control what they have on there machine. That and the portage systems keeps my machine up to date with the software I choose to install. It also allows me to avoid rpm dependency nightmares. (Anyone remember what it was like installing Xine on RedHat?) If a company can not understand those issues, (Linux != RedHat) they should stick with Redhat, and more power to them. But to expect Gentoo to become like RedHat seems to me a way of limiting choice. Educate the companies.. do not dumb down Gentoo! Anyway it is always possible that a third company picks up Gentoo and aims it for the corporate world, as in Gentoo-Enterprise or some such. For some reason Gentoo is a meta-distribution as you said. This implies that people can build specific distributions out of the current system. I am still wondering why nobody has done this. It seems like a great idea. You have the base, free, completely non-commercial oriented meta-distro Gentoo, and then you have other companies offer specialized versions aimed at different sectors. It is a win-win situation. -- Vano D [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Samba
Andrew B. Panphiloff wrote: Samba on Gentoo obviously uses LDAP for authentication. Is there any way to stop if from doing that? export USE=-ldap emerge samba Thank's. Or, alternatively, is there a good, short guide for setting up LDAP with pam authentication and Samba for Gentoo? You must read simple howto in samba source : samba-2.2.8/docs/htmldocs/Samba-LDAP-HOWTO.html I know that. I've compiled Samba from sources for several years. If I go the LDAP route, I want to use it for most if not all authentication, be it Samba or shell. use google Already tried that before I asked. Doesn't help if I want to make use of the samba that's in portage. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] gnome-terminal slow scrolling
Okey doke. This isn't a gentoo-specific question as I have dealt with this with RedHat also. Basically, I find myself wanting to select text from my terminal application quite often and it's too dang slow. Like, let's say I'm ssh'd into a remote router or firewall and I want to show the entire config and then highlight pages of the config and copy them. My problem is that once I click in the gnome-terminal and start dragging the mouse up to highlight text, it takes friggin' forever. This is this specific to gnome-terminal or is there some obscure X setting that I can change with xset (or something like it). Has anyone else found themselves cursing this? Am I just nuts. Thanks, -- Shane Hickey : Nerd http://www.nerddiary.org GPG KeyID: 777CBF3F Key fingerprint: 254F B2AC 9939 C715 278C DA95 4109 9F69 777C BF3F Listening to: Eric B. Rakim - My Melody (Dub) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -u world fails at Qt
Maybe try backing off some of the optimization options in CFLAGS in make.conf if that is applicable in your case. On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 16:17, steve fox wrote: Hi, After doing 'emerge sync' I've attempted 'emerge -u world'. The build works fine until it gets to x11-libs/qt-3.1.2 where it fails, with the following errors: make[3]: *** [.obj/main.o] Error 1 make[2]: *** [sub-psql] Error 2 make[1]: *** [sub-sqldrivers] Error 2 make: *** [sub-plugins] Error 2 !!! ERROR: x11-libs/qt-3.1.2 failed. !!! Function src_compile, Line 125, Exitcode 2 !!! (no error message) psql and mysql are installed ... I've tried unmerging mysql 4.x and re-emerging mysql 3.x, based on some advice I got, but I still get the same errors. Does this look familiar? What else should I check? This is an upgrade from 1.4_rc2. Thanks, Steve -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] X flicker,flicker,flicker fine...
Jesse Jacobs wrote: Hello Again, Just to clarify, I've used xvidtune for the appropriate one line values but this did not help. What I would like to find is a utility for the horizontal and vertical timings at each resolution. TIA, Jesse. Jesse Jacobs said: Hello everyone, I've, well, kind of an annoyance. This has been occurring since introducing a KVM at Christmas(my fam splurged this year). The monitor is a Sync-Master 950P. When X starts the screen flickers a few times and then loads my win-manager. This take ~10 seconds. This also occurs when switching between vc's. I thought this could be related to my AGP driver but after forcing AGPGART the problem persists. I was hoping someone could help direct me to a utility for the ModeLine value to this monitor or any suggestions that I might attempt. Thanks for any and all help, It might be helpful to start X by hand at a command prompt, and redirect the stderr to files - one with the KVM, one without. Something to the effect of: X 21 x.log and kill it with ctrl-alt-backspace Or you could just copy /var/log/XFree86.0.log, with and without KVM. X generally probes your monitor via DDC when it starts to see what it's capabilities are. You might find your answer by diff'ing those files. If not, post them to the list. -- Public key available at pgp.mit.edu keyID:36F46FD0 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Package management for non-ebuild software
On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Tom Wesley wrote: I'm new here, but if the skel.ebuild file fits well in this case it would probably be doable with a script. One thing that strikes me as being more urgent would be to allow sources to be built as non-root and installed as root. The biggest problem I find with cooking up ebuilds is sandbox violations, where some package doesn't necessarily follow the rules about where to install stuff. I occasionally have to make a patch to fix it... -- Craig West Ph: (416) 567-1491 | It's not a bug, [EMAIL PROTECTED] | It's a feature... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] gnome-terminal slow scrolling
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El Jueves, 3 de Abril de 2003 23:13, Shane Hickey escribió: Okey doke. This isn't a gentoo-specific question as I have dealt with this with RedHat also. Basically, I find myself wanting to select text from my terminal application quite often and it's too dang slow. Has anyone else found themselves cursing this? Am I just nuts. Yes, someone did ;) http://primates.ximian.com/~miguel/activity-log.php Scroll down to Feb 26th, 2003 Regards, Xabi. - -- GnuPG signed and encrypted email preferred http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x093F978B Key fingerprint = B3C5 0C7B 1587 071C 3D9C 545A 72FC 0234 093F 978B -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+jK4qcvwCNAk/l4sRAjHVAJ4oEDkUd2eqb7aeTehyYt1z7MkinwCghLw8 ydhlv0vK+nE0VoyWrUQ+Wro= =yz4d -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Question:
That's not quite what I meant. I was talking about bootstrapping again in an already installed Gentoo setup - not creating a new one from within chroot. Chris On Fri, 2003-04-04 at 03:02, brett holcomb wrote: Assuming you set up the mount points and chroot as per the instructions it won't hurt. I've done it. On 03 Apr 2003 23:54:30 +0930 Chris van der Pennen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is re-bootstrapping from within a live gentoo installation a good idea, or will that Break Things? Chris -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] survey: gentoo corporate usage?
Hi Robert, On April 3, 2003 08:11 am, Robert Spahr wrote: [snipped] Educate the companies.. do not dumb down Gentoo! Nothing personal Robert but your comment here was something I simply could not restrain myself from commenting on :). It never ceases to amaze me how adding a nice installer and hardware detection front-end to Gentoo and other such things is considered by many to be a dumbing down of Gentoo. Honestly. I just plain can't understand it. Having such things would make Gentoo much easier and more consistent to install for those who want to just get it working. While if one wanted to tinker, and configurate, and manually get their fill of the command line, they could just as easily skip the automated installation and use cryptic switches and other manually wonderful trinkets to their hearts content. How would adding something like an automated install and hardware detection dumb Gentoo down? The command line and the opportunity to install things manually (aka the hard way to do things) would still remain available. If by dumbing down we mean that Gentoo will not challenge one's to rise to the vigarous exercise of learning how to tinker, and configurate, and pull their hair out once in a while as they learn the intricacies of power use then it seems to me that to not give people the chance to skip some of that is to limit their choices. Something that seems contrary to the whole spirit of open source and GPL. Namely choice. As it stands now people have no choice in this matter. It's either gut it out and spend tons of time working through all kinds of Gentoo quirks and idiosyncracies or go to another distribution. When I first came to Gentoo I was absolutely incredulous as to how one's reported having to restart their installations of Gentoo up to 10 times!! I don't mean to be blunt but that's ridiculous. It shouldn't have to be that way. I can't wait to become an expert on Gentoo and to have the time to create my own distribution based on Gentoo. That will take the best of Gentoo and add a healthy dose of what I call ease of use based on what Redhat and other distros are doing. Please don't take what I am saying personally Robert. It's just so frustrating to talk about ease of use with so-called power users sometimes who defend the complexity that is Gentoo as if defending a religious dogma. I honestly don't understand it. Especially when anything having to do with making Gentoo easier to install and use is seen as dumbing down Gentoo. Ease of use in my thinking is not equal to dumbing down a distribution. As if everyone using such ease enhancements would be a dummy. I and many others who are no dummies, would use such enhancements for the simple reason that they save time, add consistentcy, and allow us to get the most out of Gentoo quicker. As well as sell it more successfully to our bosses or our customers. Granted! This might be a different use for Gentoo than many might use it for. But it would definitely enhance Gentoo in the sense of giving everyone a greater degree of choice over why and how they want to use Gentoo. I hope I didn't come across too strongly Robert. Carlos www.internetsuccess.ca -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Question:
Okay - let me ask why you would want to do that - there doesn't seem any point in it as bootstrap is simply used to get you a base where you can then emerge system and world. If you have a working system then emerge -u --deep system and emerge -u --deep system should keep you updated. That's not quite what I meant. I was talking about bootstrapping again in an already installed Gentoo setup - not creating a new one from within chroot. Chris On Fri, 2003-04-04 at 03:02, brett holcomb wrote: Assuming you set up the mount points and chroot as per the instructions it won't hurt. I've done it. On 03 Apr 2003 23:54:30 +0930 Chris van der Pennen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is re-bootstrapping from within a live gentoo installation a good idea, or will that Break Things? Chris -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Brett I. Holcomb AKA Grunt -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to use this list effectively?
Hi Ian, On April 3, 2003 09:26 am, Ian Tindale wrote: On Thursday 03 April 2003 12:21 am, Carlos C. Gonzalez wrote: Oh well. Lists seem to be much better than forums for some odd reason but they sure do fill up the mailboxes. You're not supposed to actually read them. They're there to make it seem like you know about certain subjects. I've got absolutely tonnes of unread list mail about Java, Cocoa, Objective-C and suchlike. You'd think that I actually know how to program. Same as my bookshelf. None of it has the slightest meaning to me, however, and I'm as unable to program as I ever was, 20 years ago. However, just looking at all the mail pile up lets me see statistically which are the popular topics, so I know which words to use when discussing technology. Now THAT's funny! LOL. I hope my domain hoster sees all the guru mail I am getting into my mail box on their server. Maybe they'll give me some kind of guru status and give me a discount. You know something else that's funny? I am now labeled a guru on the Gentoo forum. Why? Because I know so little (relative to what I want to know) and have so much more to learn that I asked a lot of questions with over 300 posts to my name. So now I will probably get less help since I should know what I am doing. Given that I am now a guru. Talk about a catch-22. Carlos www.internetsuccess.ca -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] rdate vs. ntpdate
Hi Timo, On April 3, 2003 10:09 am, Timo Boettcher wrote: Hi! In the last GWN http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20030401-newsletter.xml#doc_chap8 there was something on how to sync the local clock using rdate. Whats the difference to using ntpdate? In my understanding ntpdate is now deprecated in favor of being rolled into ntpd itself. So it should really not be used anymore. Also, in my understanding, rdate is a one time thing when you execute it. And must be put into a cron job to constantly keep your clock accurate. Whereas ntpd is a daemon that can be started and kept running. Doing the work of keeping your clock accurate automatically as it interogates time servers for you. Hope that helps. Carlos www.internetsuccess.ca -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Samba
=Robert Claeson Already tried that before I asked. Doesn't help if I want to make use of the samba that's in portage. I recently installed Gentoo linux on my university server (~400 users), and all notes about users ( accounts, shells, passwords ...) are stored in ldap directory. The study of openldap has took about 3 days for me. There are two useful articles : http://www.bayour.com/LDAPv3-HOWTO.html http://www.cerritoslug.org/tutorials/qmail-ldap/ If you want I can help you, but don't mail in mailing list (there are so much messages) PS sorry for my english -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] ldap addressbook
Is anybody know what mail client can edit entries in ldap addressbook ? Mozilla-mail can only search addresses in it. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re[2]: [gentoo-user] rdate vs. ntpdate
Hi Carlos, Nachricht vom Freitag, 4. April 2003, 00:50:08: Hi Timo, On April 3, 2003 10:09 am, Timo Boettcher wrote: Hi! In the last GWN http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20030401-newsletter.xml#doc_chap8 there was something on how to sync the local clock using rdate. Whats the difference to using ntpdate? In my understanding ntpdate is now deprecated in favor of being rolled into ntpd itself. So it should really not be used anymore. So ntpdate will cease to exist? Any hint on why? Also, in my understanding, rdate is a one time thing when you execute it. As is ntpdate... And must be put into a cron job to constantly keep your clock accurate. Whereas ntpd is a daemon that can be started and kept running. Doing the work of keeping your clock accurate automatically as it interogates time servers for you. But rdate/ntpdate do this, too or is there a difference between them? ntpd can make the clock go faster/slower for continuosly going right. Or did I get this wrong? Also I heard once that use of all r* programs should be carefully considered because of security reasons... does rdate count to this group? Timo -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] emerge -u world fails at Qt
I have had this problem as well. I am in fact doing a fresh install (from stage 1 - stage 3). After I had rebooted the system I emerged xfree without any problems. As soon as I emerged gnome (USE= X gtk gnome alsa -kde -qt). I also receive this same message and as a consequence can't build gnome. It is curious though, that I have opted to NOT include qt and the system is still emerging it!? I think that it is possibly a bug unassocaited with the applications mentioned. Regards, Glen Trudgett Unix system administration Information Technology Bureau Department of Education and Training Level 2, 39A Herbert St, St Leonards, NSW 2065 Australia Tel: 61+ (2) 99429970 Fax: 61+ (2) 99429600 ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** -Original Message- From: Kurt Bechstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 4 April 2003 7:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -u world fails at Qt Maybe try backing off some of the optimization options in CFLAGS in make.conf if that is applicable in your case. On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 16:17, steve fox wrote: Hi, After doing 'emerge sync' I've attempted 'emerge -u world'. The build works fine until it gets to x11-libs/qt-3.1.2 where it fails, with the following errors: make[3]: *** [.obj/main.o] Error 1 make[2]: *** [sub-psql] Error 2 make[1]: *** [sub-sqldrivers] Error 2 make: *** [sub-plugins] Error 2 !!! ERROR: x11-libs/qt-3.1.2 failed. !!! Function src_compile, Line 125, Exitcode 2 !!! (no error message) psql and mysql are installed ... I've tried unmerging mysql 4.x and re-emerging mysql 3.x, based on some advice I got, but I still get the same errors. Does this look familiar? What else should I check? This is an upgrade from 1.4_rc2. Thanks, Steve -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Package management for non-ebuild software
On Thursday 03 April 2003 23:39, Vano D wrote: Probably we could add a feature to emerge so one would emerge --custom some_source and Portage would untar into the work dir the file /usr/portate/distfiles/some_source-2.9.tar.gz (or other extensions etc..) and would carry out a simple skel.ebuild (or we could have 2 or 3 other variations if the first one or two fail to compile). It would then enter into the Portage database as custom.some_source-2.9 or with some other prefix so Portage knows it is a special ebuild (as in there is no ebuild.) It doesn't look too hard to implement such a feature. What do you people think? One obvious pitfall is dependencies. Tool to make ebuilds easily can be found from portage, but those could be improved a lot. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] X flicker,flicker,flicker fine...
On Thursday 03 April 2003 22:02, Jesse Jacobs wrote: Hello Again, Just to clarify, I've used xvidtune for the appropriate one line values but this did not help. What I would like to find is a utility for the horizontal and vertical timings at each resolution. TIA, Jesse. Jesse Jacobs said: Hello everyone, I've, well, kind of an annoyance. This has been occurring since introducing a KVM at Christmas(my fam splurged this year). The monitor is a Sync-Master 950P. When X starts the screen flickers a few times and then loads my win-manager. This take ~10 seconds. This also occurs when switching between vc's. I thought this could be related to my AGP driver but after forcing AGPGART the problem persists. I was hoping someone could help direct me to a utility for the ModeLine value to this monitor or any suggestions that I might attempt. Thanks for any and all help, TIA, Jesse. I think your monitor goes through every modeline that X checks. Try disable EDID from your X configs monitor section. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Package management for non-ebuild software
Craig == A Craig West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Craig The biggest problem I find with cooking up ebuilds is sandbox Craig violations, where some package doesn't necessarily follow the Craig rules about where to install stuff. I occasionally have to make Craig a patch to fix it... Yeah. But I find that dobin, doman and friends ease that for most packages. I just put one together for http://www.mainnerve.com/lft/ and used: dobin lft doman lft.8 dodoc CHANGELOG COPYING README TODO lft-manpage.html to essentially duplicate what their srpm does. (I didn't expect any sandbox issues, but just didn't need to bother with make install.) src_compile was even easier as: econf || die emake || die The only issue is that lft needs to be suid to work for non-root, and I've not yet dealt with that in the ebuild -JimC -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Sniffle
Tears are welling up, I got my 2nd HD today and when I tried to load Winblowz on it, it wanted to write to -- of course you guessed it HD0 :( No free space so now I am going to have to totally rebuild my Gentoo box once againO the Cursed world of Games I am swept into, woe is me :( I will see yall in a day or two. Doc -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Sniffle
Looks like its a bit late now but if you had unhooked your primary hd then put your new drive as primary you could have installed windows and then putting this drive as slave and reinstallining your primary drive. Then it would have been a relativley simple job to set grub to boot windows from the second drive. (if that makes sense) Andy On 03 Apr 2003 17:32:20 -0600 ds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tears are welling up, I got my 2nd HD today and when I tried to load Winblowz on it, it wanted to write to -- of course you guessed it HD0 :( No free space so now I am going to have to totally rebuild my Gentoo box once againO the Cursed world of Games I am swept into, woe is me :( I will see yall in a day or two. Doc -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Sniffle
Ahh you mean I can disconnect my current linux drive hd0, set it aside, place the new drive in and install Winblowz to it, then add back my linux drive and edit the grub.conf file for winblowz and all this time winblowz wont get upset for moving it down the chain? I mean I have to change the jumper settings around and all correct? Doc On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 17:42, Andy Quinn wrote: Looks like its a bit late now but if you had unhooked your primary hd then put your new drive as primary you could have installed windows and then putting this drive as slave and reinstallining your primary drive. Then it would have been a relativley simple job to set grub to boot windows from the second drive. (if that makes sense) Andy On 03 Apr 2003 17:32:20 -0600 ds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tears are welling up, I got my 2nd HD today and when I tried to load Winblowz on it, it wanted to write to -- of course you guessed it HD0 :( No free space so now I am going to have to totally rebuild my Gentoo box once againO the Cursed world of Games I am swept into, woe is me :( I will see yall in a day or two. Doc -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] sudo not running a shell as a login shell
On 10:54 Mon 31 Mar , William Hubbs wrote: Hi all, is there a way to get sudo to run a shell with the -s option as a login shell? I ask because when I give the command sudo -s and enter a password, I become root, but not with root's environment, so /sbin, /usr/sbin, etc, are not in the path. Thanks, William -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list Try throwing this line into your .bashrc: [ -r /etc/profile ] source /etc/profile This is what I do and I get the root setting wehn i do sudo -s. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Sniffle
Also, Windows (starting with Win98 if I remember correctly) will install to drives other than drive 0. Ahh you mean I can disconnect my current linux drive hd0, set it aside, place the new drive in and install Winblowz to it, then add back my linux drive and edit the grub.conf file for winblowz and all this time winblowz wont get upset for moving it down the chain? I mean I have to change the jumper settings around and all correct? Doc On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 17:42, Andy Quinn wrote: Looks like its a bit late now but if you had unhooked your primary hd then put your new drive as primary you could have installed windows and then putting this drive as slave and reinstallining your primary drive. Then it would have been a relativley simple job to set grub to boot windows from the second drive. (if that makes sense) Andy On 03 Apr 2003 17:32:20 -0600 ds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tears are welling up, I got my 2nd HD today and when I tried to load Winblowz on it, it wanted to write to -- of course you guessed it HD0 :( No free space so now I am going to have to totally rebuild my Gentoo box once againO the Cursed world of Games I am swept into, woe is me :( I will see yall in a day or two. Doc -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Brett I. Holcomb AKA Grunt -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: Re[2]: [gentoo-user] rdate vs. ntpdate
Hi Timo, On April 3, 2003 04:13 pm, Timo Boettcher wrote: [snipped] In my understanding ntpdate is now deprecated in favor of being rolled into ntpd itself. So it should really not be used anymore. So ntpdate will cease to exist? Any hint on why? No idea. Also, in my understanding, rdate is a one time thing when you execute it. As is ntpdate... And must be put into a cron job to constantly keep your clock accurate. Whereas ntpd is a daemon that can be started and kept running. Doing the work of keeping your clock accurate automatically as it interogates time servers for you. But rdate/ntpdate do this, too or is there a difference between them? ntpdate is a one time thing too. And must be put into a cron job to continously keep the clock accurate. It just goes out to the Internet and gets the correct time. Just once. When it's executed. ntpd can make the clock go faster/slower for continuosly going right. Or did I get this wrong? ntpd will keep the clock accurate. As accurate as it can realistically be. By going out to the Internet every so often and updating the clock. You won't notice any slow down or speed up. It will be kept accurate to the second if not microsecond. Also I heard once that use of all r* programs should be carefully considered because of security reasons... does rdate count to this group? Don't know about rdate but use of ntpd can, not neccessarily will, open up some security concerns. Personally I am not too worried about it because I run my computers behind a NAT firewall which sits between me and the Internet. But if you want to know more there are some good threads on the gentoo forum about security concerns with ntpd. Don't know which one's off the bat but there there. You might want to look under the Documentation Tips and Tricks for my ntpd instructions where some have commented on the security issue. Carlos www.internetsuccess.ca -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] survey: gentoo corporate usage?
Not really: you would be putting a lot of effort in trying to make gentoo into a mandrake/redhat lookalike. Gentoo's advantages are its easy update and software management, both of which you are saying are not needed in the scenario you paint. As far as better installer and hardware detection, gentoo has come a *long* way, but still needs to go further! BillK On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 22:23, Josh McCormack wrote: ... hs with the stable, tested Gentoo of that moment, easily updated each 6 months, and offer training ( a book) and certification. I'd personally lean toward making the CD have a nice installer with hardware detection, possibly built off of Knoppix. Anyone else find this interesting? Josh -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] survey: gentoo corporate usage?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Carlos, You seemed to miss my point completely. I did not mean that an easier installer would dumb gentoo down. Making a CD of binaries issued every 6 months, and rejecting the portage system would be missing a large part of what makes gentoo so interesting. Gentoo gives you more control over what is on your system, as well as allow you to compile it specifically for your hardware. If you need a CD of binaries use redhat. Why convert gentoo into a redhat clone? Now if you wanted to make a new bianary distribution for enterprise based on the current gentoo, well go for it and good luck. I am not offended and do not feel you came on too strong. I just think you missed my entire point. - -- Robert Spahr On Thursday 03 April 2003 05:39 pm, Carlos C. Gonzalez wrote: Hi Robert, On April 3, 2003 08:11 am, Robert Spahr wrote: [snipped] Educate the companies.. do not dumb down Gentoo! Nothing personal Robert but your comment here was something I simply could not restrain myself from commenting on :). It never ceases to amaze me how adding a nice installer and hardware detection front-end to Gentoo and other such things is considered by many to be a dumbing down of Gentoo. Honestly. I just plain can't understand it. Having such things would make Gentoo much easier and more consistent to install for those who want to just get it working. While if one wanted to tinker, and configurate, and manually get their fill of the command line, they could just as easily skip the automated installation and use cryptic switches and other manually wonderful trinkets to their hearts content. How would adding something like an automated install and hardware detection dumb Gentoo down? The command line and the opportunity to install things manually (aka the hard way to do things) would still remain available. If by dumbing down we mean that Gentoo will not challenge one's to rise to the vigarous exercise of learning how to tinker, and configurate, and pull their hair out once in a while as they learn the intricacies of power use then it seems to me that to not give people the chance to skip some of that is to limit their choices. Something that seems contrary to the whole spirit of open source and GPL. Namely choice. As it stands now people have no choice in this matter. It's either gut it out and spend tons of time working through all kinds of Gentoo quirks and idiosyncracies or go to another distribution. When I first came to Gentoo I was absolutely incredulous as to how one's reported having to restart their installations of Gentoo up to 10 times!! I don't mean to be blunt but that's ridiculous. It shouldn't have to be that way. I can't wait to become an expert on Gentoo and to have the time to create my own distribution based on Gentoo. That will take the best of Gentoo and add a healthy dose of what I call ease of use based on what Redhat and other distros are doing. Please don't take what I am saying personally Robert. It's just so frustrating to talk about ease of use with so-called power users sometimes who defend the complexity that is Gentoo as if defending a religious dogma. I honestly don't understand it. Especially when anything having to do with making Gentoo easier to install and use is seen as dumbing down Gentoo. Ease of use in my thinking is not equal to dumbing down a distribution. As if everyone using such ease enhancements would be a dummy. I and many others who are no dummies, would use such enhancements for the simple reason that they save time, add consistentcy, and allow us to get the most out of Gentoo quicker. As well as sell it more successfully to our bosses or our customers. Granted! This might be a different use for Gentoo than many might use it for. But it would definitely enhance Gentoo in the sense of giving everyone a greater degree of choice over why and how they want to use Gentoo. I hope I didn't come across too strongly Robert. Carlos www.internetsuccess.ca -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list - -- Robert Spahr http://www.brainwrench.com PGP Public Key http://www.brainwrench.com/rob/public_key -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+jM8u/+o2J7d7xT0RAoGzAKC3Eeyq3dL1XzUQxROylm0JIW+brgCeO7G/ TvmUqSyCRxj+SOd6557svss= =qyiT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] emerge -u world fails at Qt
I'm following Kurt's advice, I've backed off some of the USE flags and trying to rebuid. Have you submitted a bugz? On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 17:13, Trudgett, Glen wrote: I have had this problem as well. I am in fact doing a fresh install (from stage 1 - stage 3). After I had rebooted the system I emerged xfree without any problems. As soon as I emerged gnome (USE= X gtk gnome alsa -kde -qt). I also receive this same message and as a consequence can't build gnome. It is curious though, that I have opted to NOT include qt and the system is still emerging it!? I think that it is possibly a bug unassocaited with the applications mentioned. Regards, Glen Trudgett Unix system administration Information Technology Bureau Department of Education and Training Level 2, 39A Herbert St, St Leonards, NSW 2065 Australia Tel: 61+ (2) 99429970 Fax: 61+ (2) 99429600 ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** -Original Message- From: Kurt Bechstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 4 April 2003 7:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -u world fails at Qt Maybe try backing off some of the optimization options in CFLAGS in make.conf if that is applicable in your case. On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 16:17, steve fox wrote: Hi, After doing 'emerge sync' I've attempted 'emerge -u world'. The build works fine until it gets to x11-libs/qt-3.1.2 where it fails, with the following errors: make[3]: *** [.obj/main.o] Error 1 make[2]: *** [sub-psql] Error 2 make[1]: *** [sub-sqldrivers] Error 2 make: *** [sub-plugins] Error 2 !!! ERROR: x11-libs/qt-3.1.2 failed. !!! Function src_compile, Line 125, Exitcode 2 !!! (no error message) psql and mysql are installed ... I've tried unmerging mysql 4.x and re-emerging mysql 3.x, based on some advice I got, but I still get the same errors. Does this look familiar? What else should I check? This is an upgrade from 1.4_rc2. Thanks, Steve -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] survey: gentoo corporate usage?
I manage development at a small software firm in Australia. We began running Gentoo on our development systems about 8 months ago, and now have 5 systems in our office running Gentoo. Before this we were using a mixture of windows, redhat and mandrake linux. The primary reason we run Gentoo is because portage is far more user friendly and powerful - far more useable - than any other linux package management system. In my opinion Gentoo is also easier to configure than any other distribution. The Gentoo documentation is great too. Whenever we get a new programmer on i have them install their own Gentoo system from stage 1 - it's a great learning experience (especially for developers who are not very familiar with linux to start with). I have often wondered what difference an idiot-proof installer and binary packages stored on the mirrors for portage would make to Gentoo.. I think it would completely alter the make up of the userbase. It would take away from the advantages Gentoo has over other distributions. It would change the focus of the distribution. If there are people out there that want gentoo with a graphical installer or portage with precompiled binaries - let them build their own distribution based on Gentoo. Would that make everyone happy? On Fri, 2003-04-04 at 10:15, William Kenworthy wrote: Not really: you would be putting a lot of effort in trying to make gentoo into a mandrake/redhat lookalike. Gentoo's advantages are its easy update and software management, both of which you are saying are not needed in the scenario you paint. As far as better installer and hardware detection, gentoo has come a *long* way, but still needs to go further! BillK On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 22:23, Josh McCormack wrote: ... hs with the stable, tested Gentoo of that moment, easily updated each 6 months, and offer training ( a book) and certification. I'd personally lean toward making the CD have a nice installer with hardware detection, possibly built off of Knoppix. Anyone else find this interesting? Josh -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Mark Saunders [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cytek Pty Ltd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] emerge -u world fails at Qt
I have just got a user account for bug reports from the gentoo website. I'm going through the protocol process now ! :) Cheers -Original Message- From: steve fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 4 April 2003 10:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Trudgett, Glen Subject: RE: [gentoo-user] emerge -u world fails at Qt I'm following Kurt's advice, I've backed off some of the USE flags and trying to rebuid. Have you submitted a bugz? On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 17:13, Trudgett, Glen wrote: I have had this problem as well. I am in fact doing a fresh install (from stage 1 - stage 3). After I had rebooted the system I emerged xfree without any problems. As soon as I emerged gnome (USE= X gtk gnome alsa -kde -qt). I also receive this same message and as a consequence can't build gnome. It is curious though, that I have opted to NOT include qt and the system is still emerging it!? I think that it is possibly a bug unassocaited with the applications mentioned. Regards, Glen Trudgett Unix system administration Information Technology Bureau Department of Education and Training Level 2, 39A Herbert St, St Leonards, NSW 2065 Australia Tel: 61+ (2) 99429970 Fax: 61+ (2) 99429600 ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** -Original Message- From: Kurt Bechstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 4 April 2003 7:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -u world fails at Qt Maybe try backing off some of the optimization options in CFLAGS in make.conf if that is applicable in your case. On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 16:17, steve fox wrote: Hi, After doing 'emerge sync' I've attempted 'emerge -u world'. The build works fine until it gets to x11-libs/qt-3.1.2 where it fails, with the following errors: make[3]: *** [.obj/main.o] Error 1 make[2]: *** [sub-psql] Error 2 make[1]: *** [sub-sqldrivers] Error 2 make: *** [sub-plugins] Error 2 !!! ERROR: x11-libs/qt-3.1.2 failed. !!! Function src_compile, Line 125, Exitcode 2 !!! (no error message) psql and mysql are installed ... I've tried unmerging mysql 4.x and re-emerging mysql 3.x, based on some advice I got, but I still get the same errors. Does this look familiar? What else should I check? This is an upgrade from 1.4_rc2. Thanks, Steve -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Sniffle
Pretty much. Lilo can do a trick to make the OS see the primary as the secondary and the secondary as the primary, so if your windows doesn't like being on anything but the primary master, you can install it to any drive and through grub (or lilo as well I'm sure) fake it out. So yea, you can swap drives temporarily, install windows wherever it wants, then swap back, boot up to linux, edit the grub.conf, and off you go! .From info grub: - Command: map to_drive from_drive Map the drive FROM_DRIVE to the drive TO_DRIVE. This is necessary when you chain-load some operating systems, such as DOS, if such an OS resides at a non-first drive. Here is an example: grub map (hd0) (hd1) grub map (hd1) (hd0) The example exchanges the order between the first hard disk and the second hard disk. See also *Note DOS/Windows::. alan On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 05:45:35PM -0600, ds wrote: Ahh you mean I can disconnect my current linux drive hd0, set it aside, place the new drive in and install Winblowz to it, then add back my linux drive and edit the grub.conf file for winblowz and all this time winblowz wont get upset for moving it down the chain? I mean I have to change the jumper settings around and all correct? Doc On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 17:42, Andy Quinn wrote: Looks like its a bit late now but if you had unhooked your primary hd then put your new drive as primary you could have installed windows and then putting this drive as slave and reinstallining your primary drive. Then it would have been a relativley simple job to set grub to boot windows from the second drive. (if that makes sense) Andy On 03 Apr 2003 17:32:20 -0600 ds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tears are welling up, I got my 2nd HD today and when I tried to load Winblowz on it, it wanted to write to -- of course you guessed it HD0 :( No free space so now I am going to have to totally rebuild my Gentoo box once againO the Cursed world of Games I am swept into, woe is me :( I will see yall in a day or two. Doc -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://arcterex.net - The only thing that experience teaches us is that experience teaches us nothing. -- Andre Maurois (Emile Herzog) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] emerge -u world fails at Qt
Cool, just making sure we don't double up on the reporting, assuming this is a bug. Thanks. On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 18:47, Trudgett, Glen wrote: I have just got a user account for bug reports from the gentoo website. I'm going through the protocol process now ! :) Cheers -Original Message- From: steve fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 4 April 2003 10:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Trudgett, Glen Subject: RE: [gentoo-user] emerge -u world fails at Qt I'm following Kurt's advice, I've backed off some of the USE flags and trying to rebuid. Have you submitted a bugz? On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 17:13, Trudgett, Glen wrote: I have had this problem as well. I am in fact doing a fresh install (from stage 1 - stage 3). After I had rebooted the system I emerged xfree without any problems. As soon as I emerged gnome (USE= X gtk gnome alsa -kde -qt). I also receive this same message and as a consequence can't build gnome. It is curious though, that I have opted to NOT include qt and the system is still emerging it!? I think that it is possibly a bug unassocaited with the applications mentioned. Regards, Glen Trudgett Unix system administration Information Technology Bureau Department of Education and Training Level 2, 39A Herbert St, St Leonards, NSW 2065 Australia Tel: 61+ (2) 99429970 Fax: 61+ (2) 99429600 ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** -Original Message- From: Kurt Bechstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 4 April 2003 7:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -u world fails at Qt Maybe try backing off some of the optimization options in CFLAGS in make.conf if that is applicable in your case. On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 16:17, steve fox wrote: Hi, After doing 'emerge sync' I've attempted 'emerge -u world'. The build works fine until it gets to x11-libs/qt-3.1.2 where it fails, with the following errors: make[3]: *** [.obj/main.o] Error 1 make[2]: *** [sub-psql] Error 2 make[1]: *** [sub-sqldrivers] Error 2 make: *** [sub-plugins] Error 2 !!! ERROR: x11-libs/qt-3.1.2 failed. !!! Function src_compile, Line 125, Exitcode 2 !!! (no error message) psql and mysql are installed ... I've tried unmerging mysql 4.x and re-emerging mysql 3.x, based on some advice I got, but I still get the same errors. Does this look familiar? What else should I check? This is an upgrade from 1.4_rc2. Thanks, Steve -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Apache
On Thursday 03 April 2003 04:22 am, Ryan Oberto wrote: On 4/3/03 2:09 AM, gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On April 2, 2003 02:51 am, Ryan Oberto wrote: I emerge -u world last night And this morning my apache wont start I get this error [wed Apr 2 09:45:21 2003] [alert] mod_unique_id:unable to gethostbyname (cygnus) you need to be more explicit here. what packages did you update? is cygnus the name in your /etc/hostname? more info please. I emerge my whole system witch updated apache And which packages were updated? Do you run named, dhcpd? Do you have ipv6 enabled? unable to gethostbyname sounds to me like a DNS resolution problem. Regards, Norberto pgp0.pgp Description: signature
[gentoo-user] Need help with scsi card
I own an adaptec 2930CU, its fully supported under AIC7xxx. I enabled it in the kern (not as a module) however every time i boot i see.. SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k scsi_hostakmod: failed to exec is there more i need to do.. I'm running 1.4rc3 and just went through all the updates. Any help is welcomed -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Need help with scsi card
I'm having the same problem with an Adaptec 3210S card. I filed bug report 15847. I own an adaptec 2930CU, its fully supported under AIC7xxx. I enabled it in the kern (not as a module) however every time i boot i see.. SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k scsi_hostakmod: failed to exec is there more i need to do.. I'm running 1.4rc3 and just went through all the updates. Any help is welcomed -- Brett I. Holcomb AKA Grunt -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Sniffle
WOOT install and grub went flawless. Thx all!! I just disabled the primary drive in the bios and XP installed like a charm. On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 18:50, Alan wrote: Pretty much. Lilo can do a trick to make the OS see the primary as the secondary and the secondary as the primary, so if your windows doesn't like being on anything but the primary master, you can install it to any drive and through grub (or lilo as well I'm sure) fake it out. So yea, you can swap drives temporarily, install windows wherever it wants, then swap back, boot up to linux, edit the grub.conf, and off you go! .From info grub: - Command: map to_drive from_drive Map the drive FROM_DRIVE to the drive TO_DRIVE. This is necessary when you chain-load some operating systems, such as DOS, if such an OS resides at a non-first drive. Here is an example: grub map (hd0) (hd1) grub map (hd1) (hd0) The example exchanges the order between the first hard disk and the second hard disk. See also *Note DOS/Windows::. alan On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 05:45:35PM -0600, ds wrote: Ahh you mean I can disconnect my current linux drive hd0, set it aside, place the new drive in and install Winblowz to it, then add back my linux drive and edit the grub.conf file for winblowz and all this time winblowz wont get upset for moving it down the chain? I mean I have to change the jumper settings around and all correct? Doc On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 17:42, Andy Quinn wrote: Looks like its a bit late now but if you had unhooked your primary hd then put your new drive as primary you could have installed windows and then putting this drive as slave and reinstallining your primary drive. Then it would have been a relativley simple job to set grub to boot windows from the second drive. (if that makes sense) Andy On 03 Apr 2003 17:32:20 -0600 ds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tears are welling up, I got my 2nd HD today and when I tried to load Winblowz on it, it wanted to write to -- of course you guessed it HD0 :( No free space so now I am going to have to totally rebuild my Gentoo box once againO the Cursed world of Games I am swept into, woe is me :( I will see yall in a day or two. Doc -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] survey: gentoo corporate usage?
Hi Robert, On April 3, 2003 05:17 pm, Robert Spahr wrote: [snipped] You seemed to miss my point completely. I did not mean that an easier installer would dumb gentoo down. Making a CD of binaries issued every 6 months, and rejecting the portage system would be missing a large part of what makes gentoo so interesting. Sorry Robert. I stand corrected. I think I took one sentence out of your post and went off in left field with it :). Rejecting the portage system in my mind is definitely not good. It's one of the best things Gentoo has going for it. A CD of binaries might be nice too but not really what I had in mind since compiling programs is really no big deal once one has a working Gentoo system. With nice -n 15 emerge... one can compile in the background and hardly skip a beat. I think in the future I will have to take a breather, step back, and calmly evaluate what is said rather than coming back with a knee jerk reaction. It's just that when I see anything that seems like more of the let's not make Gentoo as easy to use as possible because it's strictly for power users or good enough for us philosophy coming through, I tend to jump on my soapbox and start preaching to the gurus :) No disrespect to any gurus intended. Sorry about that. Carlos www.internetsuccess.ca . -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Package management for non-ebuild software
The only issue is that lft needs to be suid to work for non-root, and
I've not yet dealt with that in the ebuild
-JimC
I know this is off the thread a bit,but you can chmod right in the ebuild..
chmod 2755 ${D}/usr/bin/lft
and that'll fix up the perms before the merge:)
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[gentoo-user] Unable to connect to Windows share with Samba on Gentoo?
I was wondering if this list is a good place to ask about how to run specific packages under Gentoo? I am having a problem accessing some Windows shares from Gentoo through Samba and have gone through all the usual recommended ways of starting and using Samba without sporadic but inconsistent success. Before getting into specifics, Is this a good list on which to ask such questions? My only concern going to package specific lists is that they might not know or have a clue as to what Gentoo is doing to start, stop and otherwise work with daemon's. As I recently experienced when asking about some KDE stuff on the KDE list. Any direction on this would be appreciated. Thanks. Carlos www.internetsuccess.ca -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Package management for non-ebuild software
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 03:39:58PM -0800, Timothy Grant wrote: I use stow, never heard of epkg before, can you elucidate on the differences between them, or perchance why epkg is a better choice? Well, I'm really not familiar with stow; I've really only heard a bit about it, never used it. I grew up on epkg simply because it was developed where I went to school, so I received much propaganda about it. I only use it for its most basic functionality, namely, managing symlinks in /usr/local... so, for my needs any package manager will do :) Sorry I don't have more to offer! Matt -- Matt Garman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ``I ain't never seen no whiskey, the blues made my sloppy drunk!'' -- Sleepy John Estes, ``Leaving Trunk'' -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] survey: gentoo corporate usage?
On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 18:55, DE SMET Bram (BDSR) wrote: Yet another example is that we are going to set up a Oracle cluster on Linux. Also using Gentoo. Oracle under Linux tends to be horribly sensitive to variations in libraries. (Heck, it's that way under Solaris too). I'm not going to say be very careful because that doesn't mean anything... but I will say do tell us how it goes as the underlying Gentoo system and it's shared libraries upgrade over time AfC -- Andrew Frederick Cowie Operational Dynamics Consulting Pty Ltd Australia +61 2 9977 6866 North America +1 646 270 5376 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] survey: gentoo corporate usage?
On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 19:34, Carlos C. Gonzalez wrote: Hi Robert, On April 3, 2003 05:17 pm, Robert Spahr wrote: [snipped] You seemed to miss my point completely. I did not mean that an easier installer would dumb gentoo down. Making a CD of binaries issued every 6 months, and rejecting the portage system would be missing a large part of what makes gentoo so interesting. Sorry Robert. I stand corrected. I think I took one sentence out of your post and went off in left field with it :). Rejecting the portage system in my mind is definitely not good. It's one of the best things Gentoo has going for it. A CD of binaries might be nice too but not really what I had in mind since compiling programs is really no big deal once one has a working Gentoo system. [% snip %] I realize this wasn't really asked, but this thread got me thinking about what would be involved in creating a set of binaries for offline installations. It seems to me that portage makes this quite simple: (1) Create a file containing a list of the packages you wish to install. Mine's called pkglist.txt, and looks like this: sys-apps/vcron app-admin/metalog app-misc/mc app-crypt/gnupg dev-lang/python dev-lang/perl app-editors/vim net-www/apache dev-util/cvs (2) Set your USE flags to be the same as on the target systems. (3) Use portage to check what packages would be installed to satisfy all the dependencies for your chosen packages. # emerge --pretend --emptytree $(pkglist.txt) (4) Use portage to download the files, keeping them separate from your regular distfiles. # DISTDIR=/mnt/raid/my_pkg_snapshot/ emerge \ --fetchonly --emptytree $(pkglist.txt) (5) Burn the downloads onto CD. (6) Copy the downloads to the /usr/portage/distfiles dir on the target machine before doing the installs/upgrades. (7) Run the following command to install your packages: # emerge $(pkglist.txt) This is all off the top of my head, ie. untested. Does anyone see any problems with this approach? Thanks, -- Doug Gorley | [EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP Key ID: 0xA221559B Fingerprint: D707 DB92 E64B 69DA B8C7 2F65 C5A9 5415 A221 559B Interested in public-key cryptography?http://www.gnupg.org/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: Re[2]: [gentoo-user] rdate vs. ntpdate
Am Freitag, 4. April 2003 01:13 schrieb ext Timo Boettcher: But rdate/ntpdate do this, too or is there a difference between them? Different protocols/ports. ntpd can make the clock go faster/slower for continuosly going right. Or did I get this wrong? If the difference between server(s) clock(s) and local clock is too big, ntpd adjusts it in little steps to avoid confusion for processes that rely on time (i.e. make). So one could eventually get the impression that the clock is going faster/slower. But only until the clocks are in sync. HTH... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)151 1513 6954 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Cap Gemini Ernst Young| Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.cgey.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Web-frontend for portage?
On Thu, 03 Apr 2003 18:44:38 +0200 Timo Boettcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! is there some web-frontend for portage? Where one could see which packets are in which versions in portage, what is new/dropped? I don't know about web front end but if you go to gentoo.org in the nav bar on the right you'll see a link to an online package database. Also there is stable.gentoo.org which if you go there you'll see new packages and unstables/testing packages along with the stables.(the online database off the main gentoo site strictly shows current stables). Other than that there is something called kportage. I've not tried it but thought about it. -- Susie VE7 HFA [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://arienadean.tripod.com/ --- Beauty is not in the face; beauty is a light in the heart. - Kahlil Gibran -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] emerge portage error
I just got this: Updating Portage cache... ...done! These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating world dependencies \ !!! all ebuilds that could satisfy dev-python/python-fchksum have been masked.!!!(dependency required by sys-apps/portage-2.0.47-r10 [ebuild]) !!! Problem with ebuild sys-apps/man-pages-1.56 !!! Possibly a DEPEND/*DEPEND problem. !!! Depgraph creation failed. Anyone else run into this tonight? Any ideas on what to do about it? :/ -- Susie VE7 HFA [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://arienadean.tripod.com/ --- Beauty is not in the face; beauty is a light in the heart. - Kahlil Gibran -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] rdate vs. ntpdate
On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 01:13:01AM +0200, Timo Boettcher wrote: Also I heard once that use of all r* programs should be carefully considered because of security reasons... does rdate count to this group? No. rdate is a very simple command that uses the standard 'daytime' TCP or UDP port to update the clock. It connects to the other machine, reads the four byte system clock time, then optionally sets its clock to that value. No real security risk, except possibly as a denial of service to the machine that the time is being read from if too many requests come in. Of course, NTP has ways of compensating for communication delays on the net, which rdate doesn't. So normal procedure would be to use NTP on the gateway machine to the network, then rdate inside any internal network. More due to latency concerns than security. ---+--- Bryan Feir VA3GBF|A half-truth, like a half-brick, is more forcible Home:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | in an argument than a whole one... | it carries further. -- Stephen Leacock ---+--- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] qpkg and virtuals
On Wed, 02 Apr 2003 23:53:09 -0500 Jeff Ames [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that 'qpkg -q foo' doesn't pick up packages that rely on foo to satisfy a virtual dependency. It's easy enough to tell that foo is filling some virtual role, by /var/cache/edb/virtuals, but is there a way to check whether there are still programs installed that require that virtual dependency to be filled? Jeff I'm not sure but you could always run dep-clean -UNv and that should give you the needed and unneeded. -R will also show you what has been removed. -- Susie VE7 HFA [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://arienadean.tripod.com/ --- Beauty is not in the face; beauty is a light in the heart. - Kahlil Gibran -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge portage error
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 yes, wicked old mask at the bottom of package.mask, we've got it fixed in cvs and it should hit the rsync mirrors soon seth On Friday 04 April 2003 01:51 am, Susie wrote: I just got this: Updating Portage cache... ...done! These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating world dependencies \ !!! all ebuilds that could satisfy dev-python/python-fchksum have been masked.!!!(dependency required by sys-apps/portage-2.0.47-r10 [ebuild]) !!! Problem with ebuild sys-apps/man-pages-1.56 !!! Possibly a DEPEND/*DEPEND problem. !!! Depgraph creation failed. Anyone else run into this tonight? Any ideas on what to do about it? :/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+jTWg7TKExlfwaNURAk0VAJ9qImUVZaOBMRpyAjwrnoE4oKxxIACfVP54 w9otAiE2TosIjH4IlfZmE1k= =8C5d -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Sniffle
ds writes: Ahh you mean I can disconnect my current linux drive hd0, set it aside, place the new drive in and install Winblowz to it, then add back my linux drive and edit the grub.conf file for winblowz and all this time winblowz wont get upset for moving it down the chain? I mean I have to change the jumper settings around and all correct? I found that the easiest thing was to shut off the gentoo drive in the BIOS and then install windows. It even seems to work with XP, though it will see the drive. Ian Truelsen Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.ihtruelsen.dyndns.org -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
