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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2015-01-21 Thread Philip Kilner


Hi,

On 21/01/15 16:04, PK wrote:

Yes old Google Apps accounts are grandfathered with the terms of the
time they were opened.



Mostly!

Google recently disabled the ability to add an additional domain to an 
existing account - you can now add an alias domain, but not a domain 
with distinct email addresses.


Whilst this is a PITA in my particular circumstances, it's not a huge 
deal - but there was no announcement, and Google's support folks are 
pretending that it has always been that way, which is simply not true.


This has considerably reduced my faith in Google's commitment to not 
reducing the functionality of these grandfathered accounts, and I've 
essentially stopped starting up new projects in them.



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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2015-01-21 Thread PK

Yes old Google Apps accounts are grandfathered with the terms of the time they
were opened.

PK
http://www.gae123.com

On Jan 21, 2015, at 2:33 AM, André Garcia F. Pinto agfpi...@gmail.com wrote:

Thank you Vinny!
Bummer that no other service is available for free.

Other question, then:
Google apps seems to be free for existing users before 2012. I do have a
google apps acount I had for an old domain. If I log in with my previous
account and add my new domain and user there. Would that still be free?

Thanks

André

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2015-01-21 5:24 GMT-02:00 Vinny P vinny...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:47 AM, André Pinto agfpi...@gmail.com wrote:

Is it still able to get 1 user per account for free?
I have bought my domain at Namecheap.com and would like to use Google as an
e-mail host/providor... for free lol

Is it still possible? If not, any suggestions on how to? I've also seen a
possibility to hot at Outlook.com for free via Windows Live... only needs a
domain and nothing more.

No, it's not possible. You'll now have to pay for a Google Apps account,
there's no more freebie 1 user per account provision. As for Windows Live
Domains, that offer has also been ended.

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2015-01-21 Thread André Garcia F . Pinto

Thank you Vinny!
Bummer that no other service is available for free.

Thanks

André

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2015-01-21 5:24 GMT-02:00 Vinny P vinny...@gmail.com:

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:47 AM, André Pinto agfpi...@gmail.com wrote:

Is it still able to get 1 user per account for free?
I have bought my domain at Namecheap.com and would like to use Google as
an e-mail host/providor... for free lol

Is it still possible? If not, any suggestions on how to? I've also seen a
possibility to hot at Outlook.com for free via Windows Live... only needs a
domain and nothing more.

No, it's not possible. You'll now have to pay for a Google Apps account,
there's no more freebie 1 user per account provision. As for Windows
Live Domains, that offer has also been ended.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-ends-support-for-custom-domains-in-free-email-service/

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2015-01-20 Thread André Pinto

Hey Greg... hello everyone.
Is that still on?

Is it still able to get 1 user per account for free?
I have bought my domain at Namecheap.com and would like to use Google as an
e-mail host/providor... for free lol

Is it still possible?

If not, any suggestions on how to? I've also seen a possibility to hot at
Outlook.com for free via Windows Live... only needs a domain and nothing
more.

What do you say?
Chers
André

Em sexta-feira, 7 de dezembro de 2012 01:41:34 UTC-2, Greg D'Alesandre
escreveu:

Hello Everyone,

The Apps Standard account you have today will continue to work for free.
If you create a new Apps account going through the App Engine Admin
Console you'll still be able to create a Standard Apps account for free but
you'll only be able to get 1 user per account rather than the 10 you get
today.

Let me know if you have additional questions,

Greg D'Alesandre
Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Nickolas Daskalou ni...@daskalou.com
javascript: wrote:

-1 Google.

Nick

On 7 December 2012 13:53, Strom xxs...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:

This seems like another nice price increase for GAE.

On Friday, December 7, 2012 4:42:42 AM UTC+2, Greg wrote:

Just saw that Google Apps is no longer free for businesses
http://googleenterprise.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/changes-to-google-apps-for-businesses.html
.

I have no problem paying for a Google Apps account where I actually use
Google apps, but at the moment you have to have a Google Apps account to
link a domain to an Appengine app. Some of our apps have two or three
domains showing the same app, and because you need to have an account for
each email address that Appengine sends email from, we have three or four
accounts per domain. So this is potentially going to add $600 per year to
our costs - all for virtual accounts that don't actually use Google Apps
at
all.

Can someone from Google comment please? Either Google Apps accounts
need to remain free if they are associated with Appengine apps, or there
needs to be another way to link domains (and authorise email addresses)
for
Appengine.

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2015-01-20 Thread Vinny P

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:47 AM, André Pinto agfpi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is it still able to get 1 user per account for free?
 I have bought my domain at Namecheap.com and would like to use Google as
 an e-mail host/providor... for free lol

 Is it still possible? If not, any suggestions on how to? I've also seen a
 possibility to hot at Outlook.com for free via Windows Live... only needs a
 domain and nothing more.



No, it's not possible. You'll now have to pay for a Google Apps account,
there's no more freebie 1 user per account provision. As for Windows Live
Domains, that offer has also been ended.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-ends-support-for-custom-domains-in-free-email-service/


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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2014-06-20 Thread Vinny P

On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Basalat Raja basalatr...@gmail.com wrote:

 This no longer works for me. After 9 attempts to go through the Captcha, I
 gave up. Yes, literally 9.



On the domain mapping page or another page? Can you screenshot the page
giving you difficulty and post the image to this thread?


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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2014-04-06 Thread Jeff Schnitzer

This has always been a scary risk. I vaguely recall some piece of
documentation saying a week, but that could be out of date. I would
recommend trying find someone at google that can expedite it (maybe
through some sort of official support channel) because you could be
offline for a long time this way.

Jeff

On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 6:53 PM, James Gilliam jimgill...@gmail.com wrote:
 When I didn't think there could be any more issues with google apps account,
 I have found another one.

 Used an alias for a custom domain for a client and now the client wants his
 own google apps account.

 I deleted the alias but I cannot create the new google apps account.

 Anybody know how long before I can create it ?


 On Thursday, December 6, 2012 6:42:42 PM UTC-8, Greg wrote:

 Just saw that Google Apps is no longer free for businesses.

 I have no problem paying for a Google Apps account where I actually use
 Google apps, but at the moment you have to have a Google Apps account to
 link a domain to an Appengine app. Some of our apps have two or three
 domains showing the same app, and because you need to have an account for
 each email address that Appengine sends email from, we have three or four
 accounts per domain. So this is potentially going to add $600 per year to
 our costs - all for virtual accounts that don't actually use Google Apps at
 all.

 Can someone from Google comment please? Either Google Apps accounts need
 to remain free if they are associated with Appengine apps, or there needs to
 be another way to link domains (and authorise email addresses) for
 Appengine.


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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2014-02-04 Thread Vinny P

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Amanda Parriag ama...@parriag.com wrote:

 I just created a business app account and it is saying that this first
 account is NOT free.
 Can you clarify for me why this is?



Hi Amanda,

Google announced in mid-2012 that Google Apps accounts are no longer free,
but cost $50/user/year:
http://googleenterprise.blogspot.com/2012/12/changes-to-google-apps-for-businesses.html

As for clarification, you can read the forums replies to the poster you
quoted, it's quite a long and interesting conversation :-)

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2013-11-05 Thread Vinny P

Hi James,

On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 11:54 AM, James Gilliam jimgill...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just got a response from google apps about the $50 credit ... they say it
 doesn't apply to google apps ...
 Wasn't the credit suppose to be for the google apps account 
 because of the charge for using the damn thing even if you don't want the
 email?



The credit counts against your App Engine charges, not against Google Apps.
The credit is an offset against the Apps charges, as noted in the post
here:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/pVZfdeky-ow/AcK0bcHdv-cJ

To be clear: yes, you pay the $50/year/user Google Apps charge, but then
you can use the credit to receive a free $50 worth of App Engine
services.


On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 11:54 AM, James Gilliam jimgill...@gmail.com wrote:

 Andrew responded with
 I see. Unfortunately this credit is only available for the first $50 of
 your Google App Engine spend, not Google Apps. 
 I can't see where the credit was applied anywhere ... and don't even
 understand what Andrew is talking about ...



The credit should be applied against your App Engine charges. Are you
running a paid tier application on your new Apps account?


On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 11:34 AM, James Gilliam jimgill...@gmail.com wrote:

 I applied for the credit on a domain ... got email saying it was granted
 on oct 3rd ... on nov 2nd they billed my credit card for the monthly $5 ...
 and there is no sign of the credit on the account ...



Change to the yearly payment plan. If you pay monthly, you pay
$5/user/month ($60/year/user). The yearly payment plan is $50/year/user.


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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2013-10-23 Thread Vinny P

On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 2:12 PM, James Gilliam jimgill...@gmail.com wrote:

 I created an google apps account, connected it to my GAE app, no email,
 and TRIED to setup billing on it ... I get an error that it cannot be
 completed but no reason for the failure ..
 Today -- I get the following response indicating that it is in fact a
 problem but it CANNOT be fixed ...



Hi James,

In this case, you can skip Google Apps for domain configuration altogether.
Open up a Cloudflare account and use their reverse-proxy service to connect
your domain to your App Engine account.

Of course, the downside of this configuration is that you won't be able to
use other Apps services such as Gmail and the like. But your GAE app will
work fine.

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2013-10-20 Thread Vinny P

On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 3:06 PM, James Gilliam jimgill...@gmail.com wrote:

 Created a new google apps account so I can deploy another domain for my
 app ...
 When I signup for billing, I get a message
 An error has occurred. Dismiss.
 There is NO indication as to what the error is.
 As a result, I cannot setup billing and I suspect google will disable the
 google apps account soon because billing is not setup.
 Can I say that I am very ANGRY about having to use google apps to deploy a
 GAE application.
 I tired calling google apps help # but you need a pin which you cannot get
 until billing is established.



What number did you call? The support line requires a PIN, but the sales
number doesn't need one: call 866-954-1565. Note that this line is only
open on weekdays, so you'll have to wait until Monday to talk to them.


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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2013-09-04 Thread Jason Collins

Wouldn't this: 
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=8528 be great?

Take a moment and go flick on that little star!

j

On Monday, 2 September 2013 16:45:50 UTC-6, Bay of Islands wrote:

 Yes it states as well:

 *Note:* You must sign up for Google Apps to register this domain *OR*prove 
 that you already own it.


  But provides no mechanism to choose for the second option . . . 

 On Sunday, 4 August 2013 05:28:42 UTC+12, sb wrote:

 And the page still states I can get it for free, the google apps people 
 tell me I need to pay them $50 a year or they will cut off access.

 On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 1:32:54 PM UTC-4, GAEfan wrote:

 This page still states that a new app should get one Google Apps 
 Standard Edition for free:

 https://developers.google.com/appengine/articles/domains

 Just created a new app.  But, the links take you to the paid (not free) 
 Google Apps for Business page.



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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2013-09-03 Thread Bay of Islands

Yes it states as well:

*Note:* You must sign up for Google Apps to register this domain *OR* prove 
that you already own it.


 But provides no mechanism to choose for the second option . . . 

On Sunday, 4 August 2013 05:28:42 UTC+12, sb wrote:

 And the page still states I can get it for free, the google apps people 
 tell me I need to pay them $50 a year or they will cut off access.

 On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 1:32:54 PM UTC-4, GAEfan wrote:

 This page still states that a new app should get one Google Apps Standard 
 Edition for free:

 https://developers.google.com/appengine/articles/domains

 Just created a new app.  But, the links take you to the paid (not free) 
 Google Apps for Business page.



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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2013-08-03 Thread sb

And the page still states I can get it for free, the google apps people 
tell me I need to pay them $50 a year or they will cut off access.

On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 1:32:54 PM UTC-4, GAEfan wrote:

 This page still states that a new app should get one Google Apps Standard 
 Edition for free:

 https://developers.google.com/appengine/articles/domains

 Just created a new app.  But, the links take you to the paid (not free) 
 Google Apps for Business page.


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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2013-07-10 Thread GAEfan

This page still states that a new app should get one Google Apps Standard 
Edition for free:

https://developers.google.com/appengine/articles/domains

Just created a new app.  But, the links take you to the paid (not free) 
Google Apps for Business page.

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2013-06-20 Thread Balázs Benedek

Hi Andrew,

What happens at the end of the trial? Is the account simply deleted and the
domain-mapped application stops responding on the given domain name?

Thank you,

Balazs

On Thursday, June 20, 2013 6:07:13 AM UTC+2, Andrew Jessup wrote:

Hi Pat - unfortunately as we announced last week - we are no longer able
to offer the Google Apps Standard edition to App Engine customers. Instead
(as Barry notes), we can offer a $50 credit toward your App Engine
application to help offset the cost of your Google Apps for Business
subscription.

The terms and conditions of the credit, and the form to request one if you
are eligible can be found here - http://goo.gl/akrPB

The announcement itself is here -
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/google-appengine/jC_K-YlmXhM

On Monday, 17 June 2013 12:52:32 UTC-4, Pat Glenn wrote:

Hi Andrew,

I set up my domain on the appengine (at least I think I did it
correctly). However, how do I know that once the free 30 day trial for the
google apps for business expires, that my account on the appengine will
automatically take over? Or do I need to do something to switch it over
now? Please advise and thanks for your help.. (The domain I set up was
Ben-Glenn.com)

On Friday, December 7, 2012 12:39:22 PM UTC-5, Andrew Jessup wrote:

Hi Michele,

To set up your domain in this way, navigate to your application's
dashboard within appengine.google.com and visit Application Settings
Add Domain. On that screen follow the Sign Up for Google Apps Standard
link. From here you can sign up to a limited version of Google Apps
Standard.

Kind regards,

Andrew Jessup | Product Manager, Google App Engine

On Friday, 7 December 2012 01:53:11 UTC-8, Michele De Rose wrote:

Hi Greg D'Alesandre,
I can't find the way/link for to register a new domain with standard
google apps (free for 1 user)...

can you help me?

thanks a lot :)

Michele.

Il giorno venerdì 7 dicembre 2012 04:41:34 UTC+1, Greg D'Alesandre ha
scritto:

Hello Everyone,

The Apps Standard account you have today will continue to work for
free. If you create a new Apps account going through the App Engine
Admin
Console you'll still be able to create a Standard Apps account for free
but
you'll only be able to get 1 user per account rather than the 10 you get
today.

Let me know if you have additional questions,

Greg D'Alesandre
Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Nickolas Daskalou
ni...@daskalou.comwrote:

-1 Google.

Nick

On 7 December 2012 13:53, Strom xxs...@gmail.com wrote:

This seems like another nice price increase for GAE.

On Friday, December 7, 2012 4:42:42 AM UTC+2, Greg wrote:

Just saw that Google Apps is no longer free for
businesseshttp://googleenterprise.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/changes-to-google-apps-for-businesses.html
.

I have no problem paying for a Google Apps account where I actually
use Google apps, but at the moment you have to have a Google Apps
account
to link a domain to an Appengine app. Some of our apps have two or
three
domains showing the same app, and because you need to have an account
for
each email address that Appengine sends email from, we have three or
four
accounts per domain. So this is potentially going to add $600 per year
to
our costs - all for virtual accounts that don't actually use Google
Apps at
all.

Can someone from Google comment please? Either Google Apps accounts
need to remain free if they are associated with Appengine apps, or
there
needs to be another way to link domains (and authorise email
addresses) for
Appengine.

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2013-06-19 Thread Andrew Jessup

Hi Pat - unfortunately as we announced last week - we are no longer able to
offer the Google Apps Standard edition to App Engine customers. Instead (as
Barry notes), we can offer a $50 credit toward your App Engine application
to help offset the cost of your Google Apps for Business subscription.

The terms and conditions of the credit, and the form to request one if you
are eligible can be found here - http://goo.gl/akrPB

The announcement itself is here -
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/google-appengine/jC_K-YlmXhM

On Monday, 17 June 2013 12:52:32 UTC-4, Pat Glenn wrote:

Hi Andrew,

I set up my domain on the appengine (at least I think I did it correctly).
However, how do I know that once the free 30 day trial for the google apps
for business expires, that my account on the appengine will automatically
take over? Or do I need to do something to switch it over now? Please
advise and thanks for your help.. (The domain I set up was Ben-Glenn.com)

On Friday, December 7, 2012 12:39:22 PM UTC-5, Andrew Jessup wrote:

Hi Michele,

Kind regards,

Andrew Jessup | Product Manager, Google App Engine

On Friday, 7 December 2012 01:53:11 UTC-8, Michele De Rose wrote:

Hi Greg D'Alesandre,
I can't find the way/link for to register a new domain with standard
google apps (free for 1 user)...

can you help me?

thanks a lot :)

Michele.

Il giorno venerdì 7 dicembre 2012 04:41:34 UTC+1, Greg D'Alesandre ha
scritto:

Hello Everyone,

The Apps Standard account you have today will continue to work for
free. If you create a new Apps account going through the App Engine Admin
Console you'll still be able to create a Standard Apps account for free
but
you'll only be able to get 1 user per account rather than the 10 you get
today.

Let me know if you have additional questions,

Greg D'Alesandre
Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Nickolas Daskalou
ni...@daskalou.comwrote:

-1 Google.

Nick

On 7 December 2012 13:53, Strom xxs...@gmail.com wrote:

This seems like another nice price increase for GAE.

On Friday, December 7, 2012 4:42:42 AM UTC+2, Greg wrote:

Just saw that Google Apps is no longer free for
businesseshttp://googleenterprise.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/changes-to-google-apps-for-businesses.html
.

I have no problem paying for a Google Apps account where I actually
use Google apps, but at the moment you have to have a Google Apps
account
to link a domain to an Appengine app. Some of our apps have two or
three
domains showing the same app, and because you need to have an account
for
each email address that Appengine sends email from, we have three or
four
accounts per domain. So this is potentially going to add $600 per year
to
our costs - all for virtual accounts that don't actually use Google
Apps at
all.

Can someone from Google comment please? Either Google Apps accounts
need to remain free if they are associated with Appengine apps, or
there
needs to be another way to link domains (and authorise email addresses)
for
Appengine.

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2013-06-18 Thread Nick Hu

Hi Andrew,

I'm also not able to sign up for Google Apps Standard edition through App
Engine - It always takes me to a Google Apps Business trial!

Kind regards,

Nick

On Monday, 17 June 2013 17:52:32 UTC+1, Pat Glenn wrote:

Hi Andrew,

I set up my domain on the appengine (at least I think I did it correctly).
However, how do I know that once the free 30 day trial for the google apps
for business expires, that my account on the appengine will automatically
take over? Or do I need to do something to switch it over now? Please
advise and thanks for your help.. (The domain I set up was Ben-Glenn.com)

On Friday, December 7, 2012 12:39:22 PM UTC-5, Andrew Jessup wrote:

Hi Michele,

Kind regards,

Andrew Jessup | Product Manager, Google App Engine

On Friday, 7 December 2012 01:53:11 UTC-8, Michele De Rose wrote:

Hi Greg D'Alesandre,
I can't find the way/link for to register a new domain with standard
google apps (free for 1 user)...

can you help me?

thanks a lot :)

Michele.

Il giorno venerdì 7 dicembre 2012 04:41:34 UTC+1, Greg D'Alesandre ha
scritto:

Hello Everyone,

The Apps Standard account you have today will continue to work for
free. If you create a new Apps account going through the App Engine Admin
Console you'll still be able to create a Standard Apps account for free
but
you'll only be able to get 1 user per account rather than the 10 you get
today.

Let me know if you have additional questions,

Greg D'Alesandre
Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Nickolas Daskalou
ni...@daskalou.comwrote:

-1 Google.

Nick

On 7 December 2012 13:53, Strom xxs...@gmail.com wrote:

This seems like another nice price increase for GAE.

On Friday, December 7, 2012 4:42:42 AM UTC+2, Greg wrote:

Just saw that Google Apps is no longer free for
businesseshttp://googleenterprise.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/changes-to-google-apps-for-businesses.html
.

I have no problem paying for a Google Apps account where I actually
use Google apps, but at the moment you have to have a Google Apps
account
to link a domain to an Appengine app. Some of our apps have two or
three
domains showing the same app, and because you need to have an account
for
each email address that Appengine sends email from, we have three or
four
accounts per domain. So this is potentially going to add $600 per year
to
our costs - all for virtual accounts that don't actually use Google
Apps at
all.

Can someone from Google comment please? Either Google Apps accounts
need to remain free if they are associated with Appengine apps, or
there
needs to be another way to link domains (and authorise email addresses)
for
Appengine.

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2013-06-18 Thread Barry Hunter

You now need to purchase the Google Apps for Business Account, then apply
for a credit

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/google-appengine/jC_K-YlmXhM

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Nick Hu nickh...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Andrew,

I'm also not able to sign up for Google Apps Standard edition through App
Engine - It always takes me to a Google Apps Business trial!

Kind regards,

Nick

On Monday, 17 June 2013 17:52:32 UTC+1, Pat Glenn wrote:

Hi Andrew,

On Friday, December 7, 2012 12:39:22 PM UTC-5, Andrew Jessup wrote:

Hi Michele,

Kind regards,

Andrew Jessup | Product Manager, Google App Engine

On Friday, 7 December 2012 01:53:11 UTC-8, Michele De Rose wrote:

Hi Greg D'Alesandre,
I can't find the way/link for to register a new domain with standard
google apps (free for 1 user)...

can you help me?

thanks a lot :)

Michele.

Il giorno venerdì 7 dicembre 2012 04:41:34 UTC+1, Greg D'Alesandre ha
scritto:

Hello Everyone,

The Apps Standard account you have today will continue to work for
free. If you create a new Apps account going through the App Engine Admin
Console you'll still be able to create a Standard Apps account for free
but
you'll only be able to get 1 user per account rather than the 10 you get
today.

Let me know if you have additional questions,

Greg D'Alesandre
Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Nickolas Daskalou
ni...@daskalou.comwrote:

-1 Google.

Nick

On 7 December 2012 13:53, Strom xxs...@gmail.com wrote:

This seems like another nice price increase for GAE.

On Friday, December 7, 2012 4:42:42 AM UTC+2, Greg wrote:

Just saw that Google Apps is no longer free for
businesseshttp://googleenterprise.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/changes-to-google-apps-for-businesses.html
.

I have no problem paying for a Google Apps account where I actually
use Google apps, but at the moment you have to have a Google Apps
account
to link a domain to an Appengine app. Some of our apps have two or
three
domains showing the same app, and because you need to have an account
for
each email address that Appengine sends email from, we have three or
four
accounts per domain. So this is potentially going to add $600 per year
to
our costs - all for virtual accounts that don't actually use Google
Apps at
all.

Can someone from Google comment please? Either Google Apps accounts
need to remain free if they are associated with Appengine apps, or
there
needs to be another way to link domains (and authorise email
addresses) for
Appengine.

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2013-06-17 Thread Pat Glenn

Hi Andrew,

I set up my domain on the appengine (at least I think I did it correctly).
However, how do I know that once the free 30 day trial for the google apps
for business expires, that my account on the appengine will automatically
take over? Or do I need to do something to switch it over now? Please
advise and thanks for your help.. (The domain I set up was Ben-Glenn.com)

On Friday, December 7, 2012 12:39:22 PM UTC-5, Andrew Jessup wrote:

Hi Michele,

Kind regards,

Andrew Jessup | Product Manager, Google App Engine

On Friday, 7 December 2012 01:53:11 UTC-8, Michele De Rose wrote:

Hi Greg D'Alesandre,
I can't find the way/link for to register a new domain with standard
google apps (free for 1 user)...

can you help me?

thanks a lot :)

Michele.

Il giorno venerdì 7 dicembre 2012 04:41:34 UTC+1, Greg D'Alesandre ha
scritto:

Hello Everyone,

Let me know if you have additional questions,

Greg D'Alesandre
Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Nickolas Daskalou ni...@daskalou.comwrote:

-1 Google.

Nick

On 7 December 2012 13:53, Strom xxs...@gmail.com wrote:

This seems like another nice price increase for GAE.

On Friday, December 7, 2012 4:42:42 AM UTC+2, Greg wrote:

Just saw that Google Apps is no longer free for
businesseshttp://googleenterprise.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/changes-to-google-apps-for-businesses.html
.

I have no problem paying for a Google Apps account where I actually
use Google apps, but at the moment you have to have a Google Apps
account
to link a domain to an Appengine app. Some of our apps have two or three
domains showing the same app, and because you need to have an account
for
each email address that Appengine sends email from, we have three or
four
accounts per domain. So this is potentially going to add $600 per year
to
our costs - all for virtual accounts that don't actually use Google Apps
at
all.

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2013-01-12 Thread Javed Quadri

https://accounts.google.com/SignUp?continue=https%3A%2F%2Faccounts.google.com%2FManageAccount

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/google-appengine/pVZfdeky-ow/TO1SmipM2Y0J
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4885538
{ get a single-user Google Apps account +sign-up}kwyword search engg

On Friday, December 7, 2012 10:24:37 AM UTC+5:30, Greg wrote:

Thanks for clarifying, Greg - I'd hoped there would some dispensation like
this.

I've still got a problem though, because this means you can only have one
sender email address per app. I believe that I can't use aliases to the
same user to add two addresses as appengine developers, and anyway if you
need different behaviours (like a vacation responder on the noreply user)
you're out of luck. So currently this means paying out an extra $150 a year
per app, or looking at switching MX records so the domain's email is
handled by another server (assuming we can do that without breaking
anything).

Any chance of raising the standard apps accounts you get through appengine
have more than the limit of one user (preferably the original ten ;)?
Maybe make this available only to billed apps to reduce abuse by people
wanting free apps accounts.

Cheers!
(the other) Greg.

On Friday, 7 December 2012 16:41:34 UTC+13, Greg D'Alesandre wrote:

Hello Everyone,

Let me know if you have additional questions,

Greg D'Alesandre
Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Nickolas Daskalou ni...@daskalou.comwrote:

-1 Google.

Nick

On 7 December 2012 13:53, Strom xxs...@gmail.com wrote:

This seems like another nice price increase for GAE.

On Friday, December 7, 2012 4:42:42 AM UTC+2, Greg wrote:

Just saw that Google Apps is no longer free for
businesseshttp://googleenterprise.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/changes-to-google-apps-for-businesses.html
.

I have no problem paying for a Google Apps account where I actually
use Google apps, but at the moment you have to have a Google Apps account
to link a domain to an Appengine app. Some of our apps have two or three
domains showing the same app, and because you need to have an account for
each email address that Appengine sends email from, we have three or four
accounts per domain. So this is potentially going to add $600 per year to
our costs - all for virtual accounts that don't actually use Google Apps
at
all.

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2012-12-11 Thread Fabien Toune

Mmmmh, I would be very happy if you could give a clue on how to do that... 
The link points me to the classical 30 days trial page and I would also 
be very happy to use apps for one single user...

Le lundi 10 décembre 2012 19:51:38 UTC+1, Frantisek Fuka a écrit :

 Oops, the direct link mentioned by me and Balázs Benedek does NOT work 
 because the target domain checks for actual HTTP referer. Either you have 
 to fake it or actually click on the refering link in App Engine panel...

 On Monday, December 10, 2012 3:14:42 PM UTC+1, Frantisek Fuka wrote:

 It seems that visiting the following URL: 
 https://www.google.com/a/cpanel/standard/new3?refererName=AppEngine allows 
 you to create Free Google Apps account with ONE user per domain (no matter 
 if you use AppEngine or not). This is seems perfectly acceptable and fair 
 to me (provided that this is not dsome sort of glith to be patched). If you 
 need to have different e-mails for single domain, that's not a problem 
 because you may use Catch-All address and GMail filters to sort these 
 and/or forward them elsewhere.

 Again, if this is supposed to be a permanent solution, I am OK with it. 
 If I need more than one physical account per domain then I will pay for 
 those.

 On Monday, December 10, 2012 7:43:57 AM UTC+1, Brandon Wirtz wrote:

 Oh? So you don’t use Apps For Domains to Deploy your App? It’d be 
 awesome if you didn’t have to do that, but I kind of think you do.


  

 *From:* google-a...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
 google-a...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Schnitzer
 *Sent:* Sunday, December 9, 2012 8:15 PM
 *To:* Google App Engine
 *Subject:* Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

  

 This thread keeps getting more and more surreal.

  

 Google App Engine != Google Apps.  They aren't run by the same people. 
  I realize there probably isn't a mailing list where you can vent at the 
 Google Apps team, but it's pointless to do it here.

  

 Jeff

  



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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2012-12-11 Thread River

Jeff,

You're probably right that no-one in GAE team has input on pricing strategy 
for Google Apps, so therefore pointless to vent here. It's a good point and 
I apologize for diluting a tech thread with this. But it's also not 100% 
impossible that Greg could put a word through to someone with sensitive 
ears willing to consider grandfathering a few worthy exceptions. It is not 
unheard of. I actually heard there were some cases individually considered. 
I wouldn't bother, but some good things are resting on it. And Frantisek, 
It's easy to be blase about money when you're consulting and the money is 
flowing in. I've been there. But voluntary work is unpaid, and in 
the Philippines just $10 means the difference between a child keeping their 
teeth or not, for example. But I digress, don't worry, I won't be making a 
nuisance of myself here; if anyone has a relevant contact in Google I can 
approach, please let me know.

Thanks,
River. 

On Monday, December 10, 2012 11:18:40 AM UTC-7, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:

 And yet as Greg pointed out, GAE usage is unaffected by the Google Apps 
 changes.  You can still create a 1-user free Google Apps system.  So 
 complaining here about 1 user vs 10 users vs 50 users is not productive - 
 I'm willing to bet that nobody on the GAE team has any input into the 
 pricing strategy for Google Apps.

 The real problem is that calling a product Google Apps is stupid.  I 
 just had a client ask me did you see that there will no longer be a free 
 tier for app engine?.  Google's product names are confusing.  Ranting to 
 the wrong people on this list is not helping matters.

 If ranting here because it's the same company is appropriate, just wait 
 until the search and gmail users find us...

 Jeff 

 On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 2:43 AM, Brandon Wirtz wrote:

 Oh? So you don’t use Apps For Domains to Deploy your App? It’d be awesome 
 if you didn’t have to do that, but I kind of think you do.

 *From:* *On Behalf Of *Jeff Schnitzer
 *Sent:* Sunday, December 9, 2012 8:15 PM
 *To:* Google App Engine
 *Subject:* Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

 This thread keeps getting more and more surreal.

 Google App Engine != Google Apps.  They aren't run by the same people.  I 
 realize there probably isn't a mailing list where you can vent at the 
 Google Apps team, but it's pointless to do it here.

 Jeff

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2012-12-10 Thread Jeff Schnitzer

And yet as Greg pointed out, GAE usage is unaffected by the Google Apps
changes.  You can still create a 1-user free Google Apps system.  So
complaining here about 1 user vs 10 users vs 50 users is not productive -
I'm willing to bet that nobody on the GAE team has any input into the
pricing strategy for Google Apps.

The real problem is that calling a product Google Apps is stupid.  I just
had a client ask me did you see that there will no longer be a free tier
for app engine?.  Google's product names are confusing.  Ranting to the
wrong people on this list is not helping matters.

If ranting here because it's the same company is appropriate, just wait
until the search and gmail users find us...

Jeff


On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 2:43 AM, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com wrote:

 Oh? So you don’t use Apps For Domains to Deploy your App? It’d be awesome
 if you didn’t have to do that, but I kind of think you do.


 

 ** **

 *From:* google-appengine@googlegroups.com [mailto:
 google-appengine@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Schnitzer
 *Sent:* Sunday, December 9, 2012 8:15 PM
 *To:* Google App Engine
 *Subject:* Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

 ** **

 This thread keeps getting more and more surreal.

 ** **

 Google App Engine != Google Apps.  They aren't run by the same people.  I
 realize there probably isn't a mailing list where you can vent at the
 Google Apps team, but it's pointless to do it here.

 ** **

 Jeff

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2012-12-10 Thread Frantisek Fuka

It seems that visiting the following URL: 
https://www.google.com/a/cpanel/standard/new3?refererName=AppEngine allows 
you to create Free Google Apps account with ONE user per domain (no matter 
if you use AppEngine or not). This is seems perfectly acceptable and fair 
to me (provided that this is not dsome sort of glith to be patched). If you 
need to have different e-mails for single domain, that's not a problem 
because you may use Catch-All address and GMail filters to sort these 
and/or forward them elsewhere.

Again, if this is supposed to be a permanent solution, I am OK with it. If 
I need more than one physical account per domain then I will pay for those.

On Monday, December 10, 2012 7:43:57 AM UTC+1, Brandon Wirtz wrote:

 Oh? So you don’t use Apps For Domains to Deploy your App? It’d be awesome 
 if you didn’t have to do that, but I kind of think you do.


  

 *From:* google-a...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto:
 google-a...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Schnitzer
 *Sent:* Sunday, December 9, 2012 8:15 PM
 *To:* Google App Engine
 *Subject:* Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

  

 This thread keeps getting more and more surreal.

  

 Google App Engine != Google Apps.  They aren't run by the same people.  I 
 realize there probably isn't a mailing list where you can vent at the 
 Google Apps team, but it's pointless to do it here.

  

 Jeff

  


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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2012-12-10 Thread Frantisek Fuka

Oops, the direct link mentioned by me and Balázs Benedek does NOT work 
because the target domain checks for actual HTTP referer. Either you have 
to fake it or actually click on the refering link in App Engine panel...

On Monday, December 10, 2012 3:14:42 PM UTC+1, Frantisek Fuka wrote:

 It seems that visiting the following URL: 
 https://www.google.com/a/cpanel/standard/new3?refererName=AppEngine allows 
 you to create Free Google Apps account with ONE user per domain (no matter 
 if you use AppEngine or not). This is seems perfectly acceptable and fair 
 to me (provided that this is not dsome sort of glith to be patched). If you 
 need to have different e-mails for single domain, that's not a problem 
 because you may use Catch-All address and GMail filters to sort these 
 and/or forward them elsewhere.

 Again, if this is supposed to be a permanent solution, I am OK with it. If 
 I need more than one physical account per domain then I will pay for those.

 On Monday, December 10, 2012 7:43:57 AM UTC+1, Brandon Wirtz wrote:

 Oh? So you don’t use Apps For Domains to Deploy your App? It’d be awesome 
 if you didn’t have to do that, but I kind of think you do.


  

 *From:* google-a...@googlegroups.com [mailto:google-a...@googlegroups.com] 
 *On Behalf Of *Jeff Schnitzer
 *Sent:* Sunday, December 9, 2012 8:15 PM
 *To:* Google App Engine
 *Subject:* Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

  

 This thread keeps getting more and more surreal.

  

 Google App Engine != Google Apps.  They aren't run by the same people.  I 
 realize there probably isn't a mailing list where you can vent at the 
 Google Apps team, but it's pointless to do it here.

  

 Jeff

  



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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2012-12-09 Thread River

Greg,

This is truly heartbreaking. A couple years ago I was about to sign up for
the free 50 user account to build a social enterprise I had been planning
for years, when my daughter was abducted. I had to drop everything and
didn’t sign up, but I certainly would have if I’d known if was going away
because it was critical to the plan.

It took 2 years and going into huge debt to recover her. Now, I was just
about to sign up for the free 10 user account to build a much scaled down
version of the plan, and discover I have just missed it once again.

Now I must abandon the plan completely because the entire viability was
based around zero start up costs, since for the first few years of
community work, it will have no income or contributions. Plus I am familiar
with Google’s tools and don’t have the time to learn another platform.

This is very sad. I put so much care and time into building this plan. Now
a lot of good that would have been done will not happen. I was so exited
about the free Google Apps offering, it revolutionized the ability for
certain kinds of social enterprises to get started immediately without
funding and start doing good in their communities.

For some team efforts, a simple integrated infrastructure is everything and
all you need to get started. I just wish I had had the foresight and street
savvy to guess that it wouldn’t last and put in the 10 minutes it would
have take to sign up back when it was 50 users, or at least yesterday when
it was 10. Now I can’t do it at all.

Regards,
River

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Hello Everyone,

Let me know if you have additional questions,

Greg D'Alesandre
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-1 Google.

Nick

On 7 December 2012 13:53, Strom xxs...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:

This seems like another nice price increase for GAE.

On Friday, December 7, 2012 4:42:42 AM UTC+2, Greg wrote:

Just saw that Google Apps is no longer free for
businesseshttp://googleenterprise.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/changes-to-google-apps-for-businesses.html
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2012-12-09 Thread Jeff Schnitzer

This thread keeps getting more and more surreal.

Google App Engine != Google Apps. They aren't run by the same people. I
realize there probably isn't a mailing list where you can vent at the
Google Apps team, but it's pointless to do it here.

Jeff

On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 3:27 AM, River riverg...@gmail.com wrote:

Greg,

For some team efforts, a simple integrated infrastructure is everything
and all you need to get started. I just wish I had had the foresight and
street savvy to guess that it wouldn’t last and put in the 10 minutes it
would have take to sign up back when it was 50 users, or at least yesterday
when it was 10. Now I can’t do it at all.

Regards,
River

On Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:41:34 PM UTC-7, Greg D'Alesandre wrote:

Hello Everyone,

Let me know if you have additional questions,

Greg D'Alesandre
Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Nickolas Daskalou ni...@daskalou.comwrote:

-1 Google.

Nick

On 7 December 2012 13:53, Strom xxs...@gmail.com wrote:

This seems like another nice price increase for GAE.

On Friday, December 7, 2012 4:42:42 AM UTC+2, Greg wrote:

Just saw that Google Apps is no longer free for
businesseshttp://googleenterprise.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/changes-to-google-apps-for-businesses.html
.

I have no problem paying for a Google Apps account where I actually
use Google apps, but at the moment you have to have a Google Apps account
to link a domain to an Appengine app. Some of our apps have two or three
domains showing the same app, and because you need to have an account for
each email address that Appengine sends email from, we have three or four
accounts per domain. So this is potentially going to add $600 per year to
our costs - all for virtual accounts that don't actually use Google Apps
at
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2012-12-09 Thread Brandon Wirtz

Oh? So you don't use Apps For Domains to Deploy your App? It'd be awesome if
you didn't have to do that, but I kind of think you do.




 

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This thread keeps getting more and more surreal.

 

Google App Engine != Google Apps.  They aren't run by the same people.  I
realize there probably isn't a mailing list where you can vent at the Google
Apps team, but it's pointless to do it here.

 

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2012-12-07 Thread alex

Another suggestion: make it so that App Engine apps can be served from
a custom domain w/o creating a new Google Apps account. I couldn't
find an issue for that so I went ahead and created one. Please, mark
it as a duplicate if there is one.

http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=8517

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 Hello Everyone,

 The Apps Standard account you have today will continue to work for free.  If
 you create a new Apps account going through the App Engine Admin Console
 you'll still be able to create a Standard Apps account for free but you'll
 only be able to get 1 user per account rather than the 10 you get today.

 Let me know if you have additional questions,

 Greg D'Alesandre
 Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine

 On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Nickolas Daskalou n...@daskalou.com wrote:

 -1 Google.

 Nick



 On 7 December 2012 13:53, Strom xxst...@gmail.com wrote:

 This seems like another nice price increase for GAE.


 On Friday, December 7, 2012 4:42:42 AM UTC+2, Greg wrote:

 Just saw that Google Apps is no longer free for businesses.

 I have no problem paying for a Google Apps account where I actually use
 Google apps, but at the moment you have to have a Google Apps account to
 link a domain to an Appengine app. Some of our apps have two or three
 domains showing the same app, and because you need to have an account for
 each email address that Appengine sends email from, we have three or four
 accounts per domain. So this is potentially going to add $600 per year to
 our costs - all for virtual accounts that don't actually use Google Apps at
 all.

 Can someone from Google comment please? Either Google Apps accounts need
 to remain free if they are associated with Appengine apps, or there needs 
 to
 be another way to link domains (and authorise email addresses) for
 Appengine.


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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2012-12-07 Thread Michele De Rose

Hi Greg D'Alesandre,
I can't find the way/link for to register a new domain with standard google
apps (free for 1 user)...

can you help me?

thanks a lot :)

Michele.

Il giorno venerdì 7 dicembre 2012 04:41:34 UTC+1, Greg D'Alesandre ha
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Hello Everyone,

Let me know if you have additional questions,

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-1 Google.

Nick

On 7 December 2012 13:53, Strom xxs...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:

This seems like another nice price increase for GAE.

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2012-12-07 Thread Peter Liu

Some question and feedback:

I am not sure it's related. Last Sunday one of our new google apps account
we created for GAE domain was suddenly deleted.
Users can't hit GAE app with that domain, and Google 404 page is shown.

We quickly re-register the domain with Google apps and added back the
domain and it's working.

This result in 2 hours of production down time.

I don't know the transition detail, but will #1 happen again? Say if the
domain we have right now has 2 users and we didn't add billing info,
will Google delete the domain in Google apps?

How do we downgrade the app account to 1 free user?

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-1 Google.

Nick

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This seems like another nice price increase for GAE.

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2012-12-07 Thread alex

 Perhaps it's time the App
 Engine team put some serious consideration into how they might decouple the
 two services so that we can use our own domains in a more traditional
 manner?

http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=8517


On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 12:19 PM, notreadbyhumans
notreadbyhum...@gmail.com wrote:
 It's also a point of principle. We are already paying for the App Engine
 service through that infrastructure, and we are forced to use Apps because
 of a quirk of that infrastructure. Now we are having to pay for that
 privilege if we want to do more that the absolute minimum (having multiple
 email accounts for an application is a fairly common/predominant use-case).

 It seems perfectly reasonable for Google to have made this change for all
 the other uses of Apps, but it seems to me that the App Engine/Apps
 relationship is a slightly special edge case. Perhaps it's time the App
 Engine team put some serious consideration into how they might decouple the
 two services so that we can use our own domains in a more traditional
 manner?


 On Friday, December 7, 2012 10:35:09 AM UTC, Mat Jaggard wrote:

 Hi Steve,
 I think you're missing the point. Some startups are getting going with
 zero capital because an individual with some skills and some time can
 produce and sell a product using free cloud services and then once they've
 made a few bob can upgrade.

 Google WERE supporting this model very well - shame on you for stopping.

 Mat.

 On Friday, 7 December 2012 09:18:18 UTC, Steve Daniels wrote:

 Hi Thomas,

 I don't mean to show disrespect, but if your startup can't afford $50 to
 send email from a Google Apps address, then you've probably got bigger
 issues.

 Yours Respectfully,

 Steve

 On Friday, 7 December 2012 07:11:24 UTC, Thomas Wiradikusuma wrote:

 Hi Greg (of Google),

 I agree of what the other Greg said. It's very common to send
 transactional emails from a dedicated address (e.g. noreply). It's not
 professional (and even raise suspicion) if the Click here to reset your
 password email comes from j...@startupname.com for example.

 If it's not possible to increase the account from 1 to n, at least
 please allow the use of alias.


 On Friday, 7 December 2012 10:42:42 UTC+8, Greg wrote:

 Just saw that Google Apps is no longer free for businesses.

 I have no problem paying for a Google Apps account where I actually use
 Google apps, but at the moment you have to have a Google Apps account to
 link a domain to an Appengine app. Some of our apps have two or three
 domains showing the same app, and because you need to have an account for
 each email address that Appengine sends email from, we have three or four
 accounts per domain. So this is potentially going to add $600 per year to
 our costs - all for virtual accounts that don't actually use Google Apps 
 at
 all.

 Can someone from Google comment please? Either Google Apps accounts
 need to remain free if they are associated with Appengine apps, or there
 needs to be another way to link domains (and authorise email addresses) 
 for
 Appengine.


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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2012-12-07 Thread Andrew Jessup

Hi Michele,

To set up your domain in this way, navigate to your application's dashboard
within appengine.google.com and visit Application Settings Add Domain.
On that screen follow the Sign Up for Google Apps Standard link. From
here you can sign up to a limited version of Google Apps Standard.

Kind regards,

Andrew Jessup | Product Manager, Google App Engine

On Friday, 7 December 2012 01:53:11 UTC-8, Michele De Rose wrote:

Hi Greg D'Alesandre,
I can't find the way/link for to register a new domain with standard
google apps (free for 1 user)...

can you help me?

thanks a lot :)

Michele.

Il giorno venerdì 7 dicembre 2012 04:41:34 UTC+1, Greg D'Alesandre ha
scritto:

Hello Everyone,

Let me know if you have additional questions,

Greg D'Alesandre
Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Nickolas Daskalou ni...@daskalou.comwrote:

-1 Google.

Nick

On 7 December 2012 13:53, Strom xxs...@gmail.com wrote:

This seems like another nice price increase for GAE.

On Friday, December 7, 2012 4:42:42 AM UTC+2, Greg wrote:

Just saw that Google Apps is no longer free for
businesseshttp://googleenterprise.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/changes-to-google-apps-for-businesses.html
.

I have no problem paying for a Google Apps account where I actually
use Google apps, but at the moment you have to have a Google Apps account
to link a domain to an Appengine app. Some of our apps have two or three
domains showing the same app, and because you need to have an account for
each email address that Appengine sends email from, we have three or four
accounts per domain. So this is potentially going to add $600 per year to
our costs - all for virtual accounts that don't actually use Google Apps
at
all.

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2012-12-07 Thread Jeff Schnitzer

On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Wes westho...@gmail.com wrote:

 Short of a change in the rules, I'll have to look elsewhere for the mail
 services (i.e. I'll have to give my money to someone else). This really
 complicates new domain setup.


To be honest... GAE's email system has never been production quality.
 Every time it comes up in conversation on this list the advice from
longtime users (including myself) is always use a third-party service.
 It's not complicated - just enqueue a task that submits the (typically
REST) value to Amazon SES or one of the zillions of other companies that
focus on deliverability and customer support.

I don't consider this much of a shortcoming in GAE; there is no inherent
advantage in having email built into Google's infrastructure.  Sending an
email is just an API call either way.  I'd rather have Google focus on
things that third parties can't do well, like add features to the datastore.

Jeff

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2012-12-07 Thread Tuan Do

Hi Greg,
I couldn't see anywhere in App Engine Admin Console to create Standard Apps
account. Could anyone point it out?

On Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:41:34 PM UTC-5, Greg D'Alesandre wrote:

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-1 Google.

Nick

On 7 December 2012 13:53, Strom xxs...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:

This seems like another nice price increase for GAE.

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Just saw that Google Apps is no longer free for
businesseshttp://googleenterprise.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/changes-to-google-apps-for-businesses.html
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2012-12-07 Thread PK

I have been extremely happy with GAE mail sending and receiving state and is 
production quality for me and my customers. It needs additional features like 
being able to send and receive using custom domains but the stated capability 
works great for us, please stop taking every opportunity to bash it!!!   (Sorry 
for forking the thread but had to respond to this).

Thanks,
PK

On Dec 7, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Jeff Schnitzer j...@infohazard.org wrote:

 On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Wes westho...@gmail.com wrote:
 Short of a change in the rules, I'll have to look elsewhere for the mail 
 services (i.e. I'll have to give my money to someone else). This really 
 complicates new domain setup.
 
 To be honest... GAE's email system has never been production quality.  
 Every time it comes up in conversation on this list the advice from longtime 
 users (including myself) is always use a third-party service.  It's not 
 complicated - just enqueue a task that submits the (typically REST) value to 
 Amazon SES or one of the zillions of other companies that focus on 
 deliverability and customer support.
 
 I don't consider this much of a shortcoming in GAE; there is no inherent 
 advantage in having email built into Google's infrastructure.  Sending an 
 email is just an API call either way.  I'd rather have Google focus on things 
 that third parties can't do well, like add features to the datastore.
 
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2012-12-07 Thread James Kruth

Hi Andrew,

I just followed your instructions and ended up with a Free 30 day Google
Apps for Business trial. Will this account turn into a 1 user account
after 30 days, or did I make a mistake somewhere in the process?

- James

On Friday, December 7, 2012 11:39:22 AM UTC-6, Andrew Jessup wrote:

Hi Michele,

Kind regards,

Andrew Jessup | Product Manager, Google App Engine

On Friday, 7 December 2012 01:53:11 UTC-8, Michele De Rose wrote:

Hi Greg D'Alesandre,
I can't find the way/link for to register a new domain with standard
google apps (free for 1 user)...

can you help me?

thanks a lot :)

Michele.

Il giorno venerdì 7 dicembre 2012 04:41:34 UTC+1, Greg D'Alesandre ha
scritto:

Hello Everyone,

Let me know if you have additional questions,

Greg D'Alesandre
Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Nickolas Daskalou ni...@daskalou.comwrote:

-1 Google.

Nick

On 7 December 2012 13:53, Strom xxs...@gmail.com wrote:

This seems like another nice price increase for GAE.

On Friday, December 7, 2012 4:42:42 AM UTC+2, Greg wrote:

Just saw that Google Apps is no longer free for
businesseshttp://googleenterprise.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/changes-to-google-apps-for-businesses.html
.

I have no problem paying for a Google Apps account where I actually
use Google apps, but at the moment you have to have a Google Apps
account
to link a domain to an Appengine app. Some of our apps have two or three
domains showing the same app, and because you need to have an account
for
each email address that Appengine sends email from, we have three or
four
accounts per domain. So this is potentially going to add $600 per year
to
our costs - all for virtual accounts that don't actually use Google Apps
at
all.

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2012-12-07 Thread Jason Collins

I wrote up a specific API here that I think would be easy to use (and 
implement by Google in my opinion). Please star if you'd like to see it:

  http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=8528


On Friday, 7 December 2012 02:25:50 UTC-6, alex wrote:

 Another suggestion: make it so that App Engine apps can be served from 
 a custom domain w/o creating a new Google Apps account. I couldn't 
 find an issue for that so I went ahead and created one. Please, mark 
 it as a duplicate if there is one. 

 http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=8517 

 On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Gregory D'alesandre 
 gr...@google.comjavascript: 
 wrote: 
  Hello Everyone, 
  
  The Apps Standard account you have today will continue to work for free. 
  If 
  you create a new Apps account going through the App Engine Admin Console 
  you'll still be able to create a Standard Apps account for free but 
 you'll 
  only be able to get 1 user per account rather than the 10 you get today. 
  
  Let me know if you have additional questions, 
  
  Greg D'Alesandre 
  Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine 
  
  On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Nickolas Daskalou 
  ni...@daskalou.comjavascript: 
 wrote: 
  
  -1 Google. 
  
  Nick 
  
  
  
  On 7 December 2012 13:53, Strom xxs...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote: 
  
  This seems like another nice price increase for GAE. 
  
  
  On Friday, December 7, 2012 4:42:42 AM UTC+2, Greg wrote: 
  
  Just saw that Google Apps is no longer free for businesses. 
  
  I have no problem paying for a Google Apps account where I actually 
 use 
  Google apps, but at the moment you have to have a Google Apps account 
 to 
  link a domain to an Appengine app. Some of our apps have two or three 
  domains showing the same app, and because you need to have an account 
 for 
  each email address that Appengine sends email from, we have three or 
 four 
  accounts per domain. So this is potentially going to add $600 per 
 year to 
  our costs - all for virtual accounts that don't actually use Google 
 Apps at 
  all. 
  
  Can someone from Google comment please? Either Google Apps accounts 
 need 
  to remain free if they are associated with Appengine apps, or there 
 needs to 
  be another way to link domains (and authorise email addresses) for 
  Appengine. 
  
  
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2012-12-07 Thread fj pecsy

Thank you Kyle!

I'm looking into it. But we are hoping that when Google realizes how petty
killing of the support for micro business's is, that they may change their
minds. My typical start up client is three to 4 people, but about half of
them are under three. Basically 'mom and pops'. The client that I just
signed up is dad doing manufacturing, mom doing the sales and accounting
and packaging, daughter doing deliveries and customer service. They are
struggling. I recommended Google apps for them as a way to 'start off
right', 'standardize on a reliable service' and have a cost effective
solution for them as they grow. I get to be admin for them, and prove that
by being able to connect them with Google Apps service that I am a valuable
member of their team. So they win, and I win.

But Google also wins. Everything from good will, and living the 'do no
harm' philosophy, to getting first bite at the successful companies that
survive. I've set up many a client over the years for this kind of
solution. And many have grown into paid services-everything from the apps
upgrade itself to adwords. The decision to kill off services for these
kinds of business's hurts everyone, including Google.

Frank

On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Kyle Finley kylefin...@gmail.com wrote:

techamerica,

Have you looked into Windows Live Custom Domains https://domains.live.com/? I
think what you could do is:

1. Add your clients domain as Greg described.
2. Setup your clients email using Windows Live
3. Create regular google accounts (not gmail accounts) using the Windows
Live email addresses e.g. u...@example.com
4. Add the users as developers to the account so that you can send emails
using their address.

I haven't tested this, but I think it should work. It adds a few more
hoops to jump through, but I guess that's the cost of free.

Kyle

On Friday, December 7, 2012 11:31:13 AM UTC-6, techamerica wrote:

Well Merry Christmas to you too Greg and Google.

Have you guys even stopped to consider the effects eliminating the small
standard app will have on small business? I for one do not know if I can
survive. I make my living on helping very small business's get efficient on
the web. And part of that was introducing those small clients to Google
Apps Standard and Google Adwords. I was literally in the process of setting
up 2 brand new clients when this hit. I just cashed their checks on
Tuesday. Now I am going to have to give them their money back. Right before
Christmas. And when I say small clients I am talking about 4 or 5 people.

If you even would have given us some notice, we might have managed it.
How many of us small, one and two and three man shops have supported Google
over the years?

Thanks a lot. Merry Christmas.

On Thursday, December 6, 2012 6:42:42 PM UTC-8, Greg wrote:

Just saw that Google Apps is no longer free for
businesseshttp://googleenterprise.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/changes-to-google-apps-for-businesses.html
.

Can someone from Google comment please? Either Google Apps accounts need
to remain free if they are associated with Appengine apps, or there needs
to be another way to link domains (and authorise email addresses) for
Appengine.

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2012-12-07 Thread stevep

Stake in the heart of micro-non-profit, volunteer organization as well. I
have supported several, and the number of volunteers times $50 is
impractical. I am talking about micro-non-profits such as groups is small
towns that organize to get levies passed (WA school funding phenom). They
often have NO BUDGET because it is 100% volunteer. Oh well, we will
persevere I am sure. Good thing kids holding signs on street corners is
still free. -stevep

On Friday, December 7, 2012 11:58:56 AM UTC-8, techamerica wrote:

Thank you Kyle!

Frank

On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Kyle Finley kylef...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:

techamerica,

Have you looked into Windows Live Custom Domains
https://domains.live.com/ ? I think what you could do is:

1. Add your clients domain as Greg described.
2. Setup your clients email using Windows Live
3. Create regular google accounts (not gmail accounts) using the Windows
Live email addresses e.g. us...@example.com javascript:
4. Add the users as developers to the account so that you can send emails
using their address.

I haven't tested this, but I think it should work. It adds a few more
hoops to jump through, but I guess that's the cost of free.

Kyle

On Friday, December 7, 2012 11:31:13 AM UTC-6, techamerica wrote:

Well Merry Christmas to you too Greg and Google.

If you even would have given us some notice, we might have managed it.
How many of us small, one and two and three man shops have supported Google
over the years?

Thanks a lot. Merry Christmas.

On Thursday, December 6, 2012 6:42:42 PM UTC-8, Greg wrote:

Just saw that Google Apps is no longer free for
businesseshttp://googleenterprise.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/changes-to-google-apps-for-businesses.html
.

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2012-12-07 Thread fj pecsy

Thank you so much! How do I star? Anything to help us out would be
gratefully accepted, not to mention much needed.

This decision of Google's to kill off support for micro business's is not
good for anyone. Where are those business going to go to? You guessed it,
Google's competitors. It was just a mean spirited gratutious slap in the
faces of these customers.

Google needs to reverse itself on supporting these microbusiness's. Just
sayin.

Frank

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I wrote up a specific API here that I think would be easy to use (and
implement by Google in my opinion). Please star if you'd like to see it:

http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=8528

On Friday, 7 December 2012 02:25:50 UTC-6, alex wrote:

Another suggestion: make it so that App Engine apps can be served from
a custom domain w/o creating a new Google Apps account. I couldn't
find an issue for that so I went ahead and created one. Please, mark
it as a duplicate if there is one.

http://code.google.com/p/**googleappengine/issues/detail?**id=8517http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=8517

On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Gregory D'alesandre gr...@google.com
wrote:
Hello Everyone,

The Apps Standard account you have today will continue to work for
free. If
you create a new Apps account going through the App Engine Admin
Console
you'll still be able to create a Standard Apps account for free but
you'll
only be able to get 1 user per account rather than the 10 you get
today.

Let me know if you have additional questions,

Greg D'Alesandre
Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Nickolas Daskalou ni...@daskalou.com
wrote:

-1 Google.

Nick

On 7 December 2012 13:53, Strom xxs...@gmail.com wrote:

This seems like another nice price increase for GAE.

On Friday, December 7, 2012 4:42:42 AM UTC+2, Greg wrote:

Just saw that Google Apps is no longer free for businesses.

I have no problem paying for a Google Apps account where I actually
use
Google apps, but at the moment you have to have a Google Apps
account to
link a domain to an Appengine app. Some of our apps have two or
three
domains showing the same app, and because you need to have an
account for
each email address that Appengine sends email from, we have three or
four
accounts per domain. So this is potentially going to add $600 per
year to
our costs - all for virtual accounts that don't actually use Google
Apps at
all.

Can someone from Google comment please? Either Google Apps accounts
need
to remain free if they are associated with Appengine apps, or there
needs to
be another way to link domains (and authorise email addresses) for
Appengine.

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2012-12-06 Thread Nickolas Daskalou

-1 Google.

Nick

On 7 December 2012 13:53, Strom xxst...@gmail.com wrote:

This seems like another nice price increase for GAE.

On Friday, December 7, 2012 4:42:42 AM UTC+2, Greg wrote:

Just saw that Google Apps is no longer free for
businesseshttp://googleenterprise.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/changes-to-google-apps-for-businesses.html
.

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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2012-12-06 Thread Gregory D'alesandre

Hello Everyone,

Let me know if you have additional questions,

Greg D'Alesandre
Senior Product Manager, Google App Engine

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Nickolas Daskalou n...@daskalou.com wrote:

-1 Google.

Nick

On 7 December 2012 13:53, Strom xxst...@gmail.com wrote:

This seems like another nice price increase for GAE.

On Friday, December 7, 2012 4:42:42 AM UTC+2, Greg wrote:

Just saw that Google Apps is no longer free for
businesseshttp://googleenterprise.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/changes-to-google-apps-for-businesses.html
.

Can someone from Google comment please? Either Google Apps accounts need
to remain free if they are associated with Appengine apps, or there needs
to be another way to link domains (and authorise email addresses) for
Appengine.

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

2012-12-06 Thread Greg

Thanks for clarifying, Greg - I'd hoped there would some dispensation like
this.

Cheers!
(the other) Greg.

On Friday, 7 December 2012 16:41:34 UTC+13, Greg D'Alesandre wrote:

Hello Everyone,

Let me know if you have additional questions,

Greg D'Alesandre
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-1 Google.

Nick

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This seems like another nice price increase for GAE.

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