Re: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
Jay Carter wrote: I use the Sveasoft firmware on my home router. The newest prerelease (Alchemy) is shaping up nicely. They went into feature freeze at 5.3 to squash bugs. Worth the $20.00 I believe. Jay Yeah, and didn't he say he got a $20 rebate on an already cheap price? :) -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
- Original Message - From: m0gely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Jay Carter wrote: I use the Sveasoft firmware on my home router. The newest prerelease (Alchemy) is shaping up nicely. They went into feature freeze at 5.3 to squash bugs. Worth the $20.00 I believe. Jay Yeah, and didn't he say he got a $20 rebate on an already cheap price? :) -- I had to get my receipt out. BestBuy. 79.99 with a $20 rebate. Final price $59.99. So, I spend the $20 I saved on the svea forums, and in fact I may do exactly this because I have about $40 floating around in my eBay account. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Try moving you computer outside you firewall and do the query again. I had this issue and it was caused by the firewall not handling the UDP traffic flow. What happens is home type appliance fire walls have session buffers only about 2.5k (depends on vendor) in size. This means they can hold around 208 sessions at one time. Though UDP is a stateless protocol firewalls attempt to give it state by tracking outbound UDP packets Dest IP,Dest Port,Source Port, and a time stamp. When a reply to an outbound packet arrives the firewall allows the packet to pass if it has a matching entry in the session buffer. When you transmit 19,000+ UDP packets to different computers to get status info the session buffer quickly fills and the oldest session gets dropped before the reply comes back. The in game browser never gets a response from the computer and then does not display the computer in the browser list. Based on the tests I did for CS, World, no other filters you would see 3000-4000 computers out of 19000+. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ooks Server Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 1:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Point of some interest. At this time, Steam shows me that there are 3880 CS servers. I have no filters set. WTF? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Have you tried moving the computer outside the firewall and making sure a personal firewall is not running on the computer? If your computer never appears in the master list it could be a server side config issue. If your server appears and disappears from the master list then it could be a master list issue. Then again your server seems to be down more than up, I still can not connect or ping the box. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cian Sweeney Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read but not on list... Skirecs CS, 24.45.6.208:27015 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Sure I've seen this Its almost as if its dropping whole regions. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ooks Server Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 7:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read I've long since given trying to figure out why servers are not on Steam's list. They come, they go, they come, they go. I do not believe that Steams server list is very stable at this time, and I think someone else recently suggested that also. Point of some interest. At this time, Steam shows me that there are 3880 CS servers. I have no filters set. WTF? - Original Message - From: Cian Sweeney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read but not on list... On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:25:00 -0800, Ooks Server [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can ping it just fine, maybe he fixed the problem? - Original Message - From: Deadman Standing [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:44 PM Subject: RE: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Your server does not appear to be in the master list, however I am also unable to connect to or ping the server at all. Since you are running it on a cable modem you might try the following: - Launch the server outside your firewall to test if it is a firewall config issue. - Be careful of DHCP changing your IP address while the server is running. - In the console look for the message, Adding master server ipaddress and check for errors. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cian Sweeney Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 5:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Skirecs CS, 24.45.6.208:27015 On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 03:46:10 -0400, Deadman Standing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is your server name/IP/port? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds MWEB: S.A.'s trusted Internet Service Provider. Just Like that. To join, click here or call 08600 32000. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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The firewall was off, and this worked yesterday. However, I'm using an old Netgear router, so I'm wondering if the limited nat table in the router can do this intermittently? See my thread on Need a Router Recommendation. What router would you (or others) recommend? - Original Message - From: Deadman Standing [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 12:38 AM Subject: RE: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Try moving you computer outside you firewall and do the query again. I had this issue and it was caused by the firewall not handling the UDP traffic flow. What happens is home type appliance fire walls have session buffers only about 2.5k (depends on vendor) in size. This means they can hold around 208 sessions at one time. Though UDP is a stateless protocol firewalls attempt to give it state by tracking outbound UDP packets Dest IP,Dest Port,Source Port, and a time stamp. When a reply to an outbound packet arrives the firewall allows the packet to pass if it has a matching entry in the session buffer. When you transmit 19,000+ UDP packets to different computers to get status info the session buffer quickly fills and the oldest session gets dropped before the reply comes back. The in game browser never gets a response from the computer and then does not display the computer in the browser list. Based on the tests I did for CS, World, no other filters you would see 3000-4000 computers out of 19000+. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ooks Server Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 1:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Point of some interest. At this time, Steam shows me that there are 3880 CS servers. I have no filters set. WTF? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
Well the router you are using has a firewall embedded in it. It depends how much space the manufacture allows for session management and the speed you have told Steam your line is (higher speeds mean more UDP packets and a larger session buffer). If you are also running servers behind the same unit it will compound the issue and could easily make the problem appear more intermittent. As for recommendations I can say I have not found any of the low end appliances you buy at Best Buy to work well. The main design criteria of those products are price and web surfing. Try searching the web for firewall appliance but be prepared to pay from $250 to $1000 to get a worth while configuration. There are some good ones that run embedded linux. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ooks Server Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read The firewall was off, and this worked yesterday. However, I'm using an old Netgear router, so I'm wondering if the limited nat table in the router can do this intermittently? See my thread on Need a Router Recommendation. What router would you (or others) recommend? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Ooks Server wrote: The firewall was off, and this worked yesterday. However, I'm using an old Netgear router, so I'm wondering if the limited nat table in the router can do this intermittently? See my thread on Need a Router Recommendation. What router would you (or others) recommend? I use the WRT54G and am planning on upgrading it to use the sveasoft firmware which adds oodles of goodies. http://www.sveasoft.com/ Features: http://www.sveasoft.com/modules/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=61 Or possibly try making your own? http://m0n0.ch/wall/ -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
It never appears, but I dont leave it running on all times, on when me and a couple friends want to play, but it would nice if we could have new peopel once in a while. If it is server side, what could be the prob? On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 03:48:48 -0400, Deadman Standing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried moving the computer outside the firewall and making sure a personal firewall is not running on the computer? If your computer never appears in the master list it could be a server side config issue. If your server appears and disappears from the master list then it could be a master list issue. Then again your server seems to be down more than up, I still can not connect or ping the box. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cian Sweeney Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read but not on list... Skirecs CS, 24.45.6.208:27015 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I've found that sonicwalls are a good bang for your buck. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deadman Standing Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 12:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Well the router you are using has a firewall embedded in it. It depends how much space the manufacture allows for session management and the speed you have told Steam your line is (higher speeds mean more UDP packets and a larger session buffer). If you are also running servers behind the same unit it will compound the issue and could easily make the problem appear more intermittent. As for recommendations I can say I have not found any of the low end appliances you buy at Best Buy to work well. The main design criteria of those products are price and web surfing. Try searching the web for firewall appliance but be prepared to pay from $250 to $1000 to get a worth while configuration. There are some good ones that run embedded linux. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ooks Server Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read The firewall was off, and this worked yesterday. However, I'm using an old Netgear router, so I'm wondering if the limited nat table in the router can do this intermittently? See my thread on Need a Router Recommendation. What router would you (or others) recommend? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Hey sorry to bug u but how can i get the latest version of hlds (with cs and cz) - Original Message - From: Cian Sweeney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:37 AM Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read It never appears, but I dont leave it running on all times, on when me and a couple friends want to play, but it would nice if we could have new peopel once in a while. If it is server side, what could be the prob? On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 03:48:48 -0400, Deadman Standing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried moving the computer outside the firewall and making sure a personal firewall is not running on the computer? If your computer never appears in the master list it could be a server side config issue. If your server appears and disappears from the master list then it could be a master list issue. Then again your server seems to be down more than up, I still can not connect or ping the box. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cian Sweeney Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read but not on list... Skirecs CS, 24.45.6.208:27015 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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download hldsupdatetool.exe, then use the -update flag on an empty directroy. On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:26:35 -0700, P N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey sorry to bug u but how can i get the latest version of hlds (with cs and cz) - Original Message - From: Cian Sweeney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:37 AM Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read It never appears, but I dont leave it running on all times, on when me and a couple friends want to play, but it would nice if we could have new peopel once in a while. If it is server side, what could be the prob? On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 03:48:48 -0400, Deadman Standing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried moving the computer outside the firewall and making sure a personal firewall is not running on the computer? If your computer never appears in the master list it could be a server side config issue. If your server appears and disappears from the master list then it could be a master list issue. Then again your server seems to be down more than up, I still can not connect or ping the box. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cian Sweeney Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read but not on list... Skirecs CS, 24.45.6.208:27015 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I was able to get my hands on a Linksys WRT54G, they are surprisingly cheap and this one had a $20 rebate :). Before I go and dinker with it, do you or anyone else have any recommendations to firmware upgrades? I know there is plenty info on the web, and I've looked at the sveasoft site (which requires you to fork out $$ just to get to the forums and I'm guessing the files) but I'm looking for someone with first hand experience using alternative/patched/hacked firmware in this router. I use the WRT54G and am planning on upgrading it to use the sveasoft firmware which adds oodles of goodies. http://www.sveasoft.com/ Features: http://www.sveasoft.com/modules/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=61 Or possibly try making your own? http://m0n0.ch/wall/ -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Ooks Server wrote: I was able to get my hands on a Linksys WRT54G, they are surprisingly cheap and this one had a $20 rebate :). Before I go and dinker with it, do you or anyone else have any recommendations to firmware upgrades? I know there is plenty info on the web, and I've looked at the sveasoft site (which requires you to fork out $$ just to get to the forums and I'm guessing the files) but I'm looking for someone with first hand experience using alternative/patched/hacked firmware in this router. Thats not true. Only pre-release versions require the subscription. You can also reg on the forum without paying anything. Here are a couple links to download the stable (free) releases. I imagine the paid forum access is for a pre-releases as well. http://www.linksysinfo.com/ http://wrtg.pop-rio.com.br/ I am still researching it a bit so I have no hands on yet. Actually I use OpenBSD for my home Firewall/NAT box and that won't change. My WRT54G is just for education mainly. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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At 01:13 AM 9/23/2004, you wrote: Ooks Server wrote: I was able to get my hands on a Linksys WRT54G, they are surprisingly cheap and this one had a $20 rebate :). Before I go and dinker with it, do you or anyone else have any recommendations to firmware upgrades? I know there is plenty info on the web, and I've looked at the sveasoft site (which requires you to fork out $$ just to get to the forums and I'm guessing the files) but I'm looking for someone with first hand experience using alternative/patched/hacked firmware in this router. Thats not true. Only pre-release versions require the subscription. You can also reg on the forum without paying anything. Here are a couple links to download the stable (free) releases. I imagine the paid forum access is for a pre-releases as well. http://www.linksysinfo.com/ http://wrtg.pop-rio.com.br/ I am still researching it a bit so I have no hands on yet. Actually I use OpenBSD for my home Firewall/NAT box and that won't change. My WRT54G is just for education mainly. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds I use the Sveasoft firmware on my home router. The newest prerelease (Alchemy) is shaping up nicely. They went into feature freeze at 5.3 to squash bugs. Worth the $20.00 I believe. Jay ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
What is your server name/IP/port? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cian Sweeney Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 7:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read mine is never listed on the master list ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Skirecs CS, 24.45.6.208:27015 On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 03:46:10 -0400, Deadman Standing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is your server name/IP/port? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cian Sweeney Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 7:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read mine is never listed on the master list ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Nice name DeadmanStanding Dropped Fluffy Kitty.deadm from server Reason: Client sent 'drop' On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:24:34 -0400, Cian Sweeney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Skirecs CS, 24.45.6.208:27015 On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 03:46:10 -0400, Deadman Standing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is your server name/IP/port? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cian Sweeney Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 7:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read mine is never listed on the master list ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Your server does not appear to be in the master list, however I am also unable to connect to or ping the server at all. Since you are running it on a cable modem you might try the following: - Launch the server outside your firewall to test if it is a firewall config issue. - Be careful of DHCP changing your IP address while the server is running. - In the console look for the message, Adding master server ipaddress and check for errors. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cian Sweeney Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 5:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Skirecs CS, 24.45.6.208:27015 On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 03:46:10 -0400, Deadman Standing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is your server name/IP/port? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Well, i saw your first connection, then i shut it off, becuase i had to switch HDD. DHCP has never been a problem. Ive had the same internal IP for ages, even if i shut my computer off. Ill check for that error next time I start. On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:44:20 -0400, Deadman Standing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your server does not appear to be in the master list, however I am also unable to connect to or ping the server at all. Since you are running it on a cable modem you might try the following: - Launch the server outside your firewall to test if it is a firewall config issue. - Be careful of DHCP changing your IP address while the server is running. - In the console look for the message, Adding master server ipaddress and check for errors. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cian Sweeney Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 5:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Skirecs CS, 24.45.6.208:27015 On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 03:46:10 -0400, Deadman Standing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is your server name/IP/port? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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no errors it seems... Adding master at hlmaster.jolt.co.uk:27010 Usage: Setmaster add | remove | enable | disable IP:port Current: 1: 195.149.21.18:27010 Usage: Setmaster add | remove | enable | disable IP:port Current: 1: 195.149.21.18:27010 Adding master at hlmaster.jolt.co.uk:27010 Adding master at hlmaster.gamesinferno.com:27010 Adding master at master0.gamespy.com:28900 Adding master server 207.173.177.11:27010 Adding master server 207.173.177.12:27010 No auth servers parsed Disabling Valve Authentication. On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:25:24 -0400, Cian Sweeney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, i saw your first connection, then i shut it off, becuase i had to switch HDD. DHCP has never been a problem. Ive had the same internal IP for ages, even if i shut my computer off. Ill check for that error next time I start. On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:44:20 -0400, Deadman Standing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your server does not appear to be in the master list, however I am also unable to connect to or ping the server at all. Since you are running it on a cable modem you might try the following: - Launch the server outside your firewall to test if it is a firewall config issue. - Be careful of DHCP changing your IP address while the server is running. - In the console look for the message, Adding master server ipaddress and check for errors. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cian Sweeney Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 5:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Skirecs CS, 24.45.6.208:27015 On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 03:46:10 -0400, Deadman Standing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is your server name/IP/port? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
I can ping it just fine, maybe he fixed the problem? - Original Message - From: Deadman Standing [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:44 PM Subject: RE: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Your server does not appear to be in the master list, however I am also unable to connect to or ping the server at all. Since you are running it on a cable modem you might try the following: - Launch the server outside your firewall to test if it is a firewall config issue. - Be careful of DHCP changing your IP address while the server is running. - In the console look for the message, Adding master server ipaddress and check for errors. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cian Sweeney Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 5:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Skirecs CS, 24.45.6.208:27015 On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 03:46:10 -0400, Deadman Standing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is your server name/IP/port? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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but not on list... On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:25:00 -0800, Ooks Server [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can ping it just fine, maybe he fixed the problem? - Original Message - From: Deadman Standing [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:44 PM Subject: RE: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Your server does not appear to be in the master list, however I am also unable to connect to or ping the server at all. Since you are running it on a cable modem you might try the following: - Launch the server outside your firewall to test if it is a firewall config issue. - Be careful of DHCP changing your IP address while the server is running. - In the console look for the message, Adding master server ipaddress and check for errors. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cian Sweeney Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 5:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Skirecs CS, 24.45.6.208:27015 On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 03:46:10 -0400, Deadman Standing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is your server name/IP/port? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
This topic is getting hard to follow. Here goes. I have three servers up all the time. They appear and disappear regularly from the master list. I sometimes check using ServerSpy. http://www.serverspy.net/ They just disappeared again. They were there earlier today. Funny thing, There are people playing on it right now? I read a post in the ServerSpy forums that said The steam public master server is still unstable and it has a habbit of not listing all available servers. Two of the servers are dedicated and have their own IP with no firewall. The other one is behind a firewall and is loaded with bots. Again, there are no changes to the servers and they appear and disappear. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ooks Server Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 7:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read I can ping it just fine, maybe he fixed the problem? - Original Message - From: Deadman Standing [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:44 PM Subject: RE: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Your server does not appear to be in the master list, however I am also unable to connect to or ping the server at all. Since you are running it on a cable modem you might try the following: - Launch the server outside your firewall to test if it is a firewall config issue. - Be careful of DHCP changing your IP address while the server is running. - In the console look for the message, Adding master server ipaddress and check for errors. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cian Sweeney Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 5:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Skirecs CS, 24.45.6.208:27015 On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 03:46:10 -0400, Deadman Standing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is your server name/IP/port? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
I've long since given trying to figure out why servers are not on Steam's list. They come, they go, they come, they go. I do not believe that Steams server list is very stable at this time, and I think someone else recently suggested that also. Point of some interest. At this time, Steam shows me that there are 3880 CS servers. I have no filters set. WTF? - Original Message - From: Cian Sweeney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read but not on list... On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:25:00 -0800, Ooks Server [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can ping it just fine, maybe he fixed the problem? - Original Message - From: Deadman Standing [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:44 PM Subject: RE: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Your server does not appear to be in the master list, however I am also unable to connect to or ping the server at all. Since you are running it on a cable modem you might try the following: - Launch the server outside your firewall to test if it is a firewall config issue. - Be careful of DHCP changing your IP address while the server is running. - In the console look for the message, Adding master server ipaddress and check for errors. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cian Sweeney Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 5:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Skirecs CS, 24.45.6.208:27015 On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 03:46:10 -0400, Deadman Standing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is your server name/IP/port? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: Re[4]: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
'Thousands' is stretching it just bit... New Flash: There will alway be people unhappy with something, you can not please all of the people all of the time. PS.. I think you meant to say 0 players now not 0 servers now. -Original Message- From: -GB-Carpy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 4:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[4]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read when barely anyone complains about it, and actually seems to be working just the way it should be Barely anyone? Working just the way it should be? So I guess the thousands of posts detailing how stupid the changes were + the thousands of people who have almost 0 servers now, are just making the problem up huh? Clear;y there is still major problems. Instead of making a post pretending that everyone is happy, just because YOU are happy, why not try and help us come up with a solution that makes everyone happy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of spartibus Sent: 19 September 2004 00:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[4]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Once again assuming that just because I post to this list from home, that I must be running my dedicated server from there as well. I'm not, but even if I were, it wouldn't make your post any less stupid. I had enough of Valves incompetence and lack of concern for it's most loyal players that pay money for a server so they can make money off of us. Ahahaha. And this is the best part. When's the last time you've seen any game company say, Yessa, Massa! and change something instantly, when barely anyone complains about it, and actually seems to be working just the way it should be? Valve's certainly not perfect. But then again, who is? And for the last time, home based servers are MORE than adequate (in most cases). Just because you decided to use a sizeable amount of money to have someone run a server for you, doesn't make you any better than the next guy, and you certainly don't deserve any special treatment. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Dupler Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 9:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[4]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Saturday, September 18, 2004, 9:25:48 AM, you wrote: Hello, Well when you pay tons of money for a high powered server on a very fast line you would tend to get a bite sore when some kid with $50.00 and a left over server get's more traffic then you. I don't really care much anymore, I had enough of Valves incompetence and lack of concern for it's most loyal players that pay money for a server so they can make money off of us. It was my understanding that most cable companies state that running any kind of servers off their networks to be a violation on their TOS. Best regards, Jeff Dupler [EMAIL PROTECTED] MP Since when was this a war about how much someone pays to have their server MP up? MP Kind Regards, MP Monil Patel MP Network Manager MP Reload Network -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ooks Server Sent: 18 September 2004 18:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Translation: How can you have the balls to complain about anything that effects your puny crap laggy 3 man server run on a Pentium 1 with a Comcast 100kbps cable home connection when us big boys pay big bucks for our uber top notch PROFESSIONAL state of the art massive bandwidth servers? Go cry to your mommy and leave us big boys alone. - Original Message - From: Jeff Dupler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: spartibus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 8:21 PM Subject: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Friday, September 17, 2004, 8:57:55 PM, you wrote: Hello spartibus, Notice the comcast address, big surprise . Let me guess you pay $49.95 a month to run your server? Best regards, Jeff Dupler [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds MP ___ MP To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: MP http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
Hi all Just been reading all these posts/complaints/gripes and no offence but is anyone actually going to do any thing about it? I'm not a coder and what I know about databases is even more scary, but I'm sure there are some bright lads on this list who maybe understands or has some idea about how the steam server system works. If so maybe they would like to enlighten us? If Valve wont do anything about it why cant we? Just throwing ideas around here guys so excuse my naivety if my ideas are not technically sound - why not use qstat to create a small server browser application and then have all the users on this list advertise it in their motd. I mean ase is great and all but if we just stuck to the hl1 packet queries im sure we could create something small and quick to use. - another idea is to create a web page data base where people can reg there server. View servers by game type or region, that kind of thing and have all the admins on this list advertise that? I might even be able to arrange decent hosting for either of these ideas. I know this would actually mean working together but hey I've seen other communities do it and we the admins for the most popular TEAM game in the world. deitY -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of spartibus Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 5:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read lol 100+ posts because the 10 people that THINK this affects them makes 10+ posts each. Oh no, my server doesn't get any traffic anymore, so it must be Valve's fault! Oh and look how many people are complaining! A total of 11 people! My gosh, that's the entire community! Valve, why wont you speak to us? Why wont you do what no huge company has ever really done before? Even though you continue to update a game that's like 5 years old, that's not enough! Honestly, there's still 130,000 people playing at peak times, so obviously there's nothing wrong here. Your server appears to CERTAIN (as in, not everybody) people later than sooner on the MSL. So why are you angry again? Why do you people think you deserve to be shown on the list before other people? You don't. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds MWEB: S.A.'s trusted Internet Service Provider. Just Like that. To join, click here or call 08600 32000. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
Good idea but not gonna make much of a difference. If people actually used third party browsers like Gamespy and All Seeing Eye, this wouldn't be an issue anyway. Those all work fine. It's Steam's ingame browser that's broken. Jay Jay Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Turbo 6 Power Administrator -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brandon Dumont - MWEB Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 10:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Hi all Just been reading all these posts/complaints/gripes and no offence but is anyone actually going to do any thing about it? I'm not a coder and what I know about databases is even more scary, but I'm sure there are some bright lads on this list who maybe understands or has some idea about how the steam server system works. If so maybe they would like to enlighten us? If Valve wont do anything about it why cant we? Just throwing ideas around here guys so excuse my naivety if my ideas are not technically sound - why not use qstat to create a small server browser application and then have all the users on this list advertise it in their motd. I mean ase is great and all but if we just stuck to the hl1 packet queries im sure we could create something small and quick to use. - another idea is to create a web page data base where people can reg there server. View servers by game type or region, that kind of thing and have all the admins on this list advertise that? I might even be able to arrange decent hosting for either of these ideas. I know this would actually mean working together but hey I've seen other communities do it and we the admins for the most popular TEAM game in the world. deitY -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of spartibus Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 5:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read lol 100+ posts because the 10 people that THINK this affects them makes 10+ posts each. Oh no, my server doesn't get any traffic anymore, so it must be Valve's fault! Oh and look how many people are complaining! A total of 11 people! My gosh, that's the entire community! Valve, why wont you speak to us? Why wont you do what no huge company has ever really done before? Even though you continue to update a game that's like 5 years old, that's not enough! Honestly, there's still 130,000 people playing at peak times, so obviously there's nothing wrong here. Your server appears to CERTAIN (as in, not everybody) people later than sooner on the MSL. So why are you angry again? Why do you people think you deserve to be shown on the list before other people? You don't. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds MWEB: S.A.'s trusted Internet Service Provider. Just Like that. To join, click here or call 08600 32000. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
http://www.w00t.net - browse servers, up to date on your initial search within 4 minutes, get live details on the server once you find / narrow down what you want. Browse by server name (soon IP being added), player name, map, and find stats. If you all think it's warranted, I can add a reg server function so that you can register your server so that if our master query is not finding your server, it'll be permanently added. Shane http://www.w00t.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brandon Dumont - MWEB Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 10:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Hi all Just been reading all these posts/complaints/gripes and no offence but is anyone actually going to do any thing about it? I'm not a coder and what I know about databases is even more scary, but I'm sure there are some bright lads on this list who maybe understands or has some idea about how the steam server system works. If so maybe they would like to enlighten us? If Valve wont do anything about it why cant we? Just throwing ideas around here guys so excuse my naivety if my ideas are not technically sound - why not use qstat to create a small server browser application and then have all the users on this list advertise it in their motd. I mean ase is great and all but if we just stuck to the hl1 packet queries im sure we could create something small and quick to use. - another idea is to create a web page data base where people can reg there server. View servers by game type or region, that kind of thing and have all the admins on this list advertise that? I might even be able to arrange decent hosting for either of these ideas. I know this would actually mean working together but hey I've seen other communities do it and we the admins for the most popular TEAM game in the world. deitY -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of spartibus Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 5:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read lol 100+ posts because the 10 people that THINK this affects them makes 10+ posts each. Oh no, my server doesn't get any traffic anymore, so it must be Valve's fault! Oh and look how many people are complaining! A total of 11 people! My gosh, that's the entire community! Valve, why wont you speak to us? Why wont you do what no huge company has ever really done before? Even though you continue to update a game that's like 5 years old, that's not enough! Honestly, there's still 130,000 people playing at peak times, so obviously there's nothing wrong here. Your server appears to CERTAIN (as in, not everybody) people later than sooner on the MSL. So why are you angry again? Why do you people think you deserve to be shown on the list before other people? You don't. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds MWEB: S.A.'s trusted Internet Service Provider. Just Like that. To join, click here or call 08600 32000. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
What is the nature of the octest that get the traffic? Are they servers hosted in datacenters? And the ones that don't get traffic, are they IPs normally used to serve home consumers? I would like to know more about what the octets represent - location, ISP, usage, etc. - Original Message - From: Shane Robinett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 10:04 PM Subject: RE: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Well, instead of just whining about it with no conclusive proof of anything, I demonstrate how apparently I have nothing to do at midnight.. This excel spread sheet found at http://www.phxx.net/dl/analysis.xls will demonstrate what, at first glance (that's all I've had), there is some definite outliers or preferential IP octet (first) that score the bulk of play. At the same time, some IP's simply don't appear to get /any/ traffic. Anything in baby blue is a EMPTY ip range. 41.xxx, 62.xxx,81.xxx,82.xxx,83.xxx,213.xxx,217.xxx for example are horrible empty. With 3200+ servers (using default 27015 port), they have a 1% fill rate! Yet, ranges 41.xxx, 61.xxx, 128.xxx, 210.xx x,211.xxx with 200 servers between these octets have upwards to 50% fill rate! Even my own 300 servers have a fill rate of 17-24% based on our various octets (I guess we are lucky). Anyone is willing to do more review of this data. - It's not at all inclusive in it's research ( I haven't traced geo data, etc) but it does give us some numbers to work with. Shane http://www.PHXX.NET - CIO http://www.simple-share.net share something http://www.w00t.net - server/player/map/sex search -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane Robinett Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 7:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read chuckle I think we are going off topic, my fault - I apologize. My point wasn't so much redundancy as it was peering and level of peering with other providers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Norton Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 7:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 06:46:58PM -0400, Shane Robinett wrote: I doubt that your single-hone bandwidth provider for your DSL provides the same quality of pipe people get at some quality carrier hotels and datacenters. Well the last mile of my connectivity has a single point of failure, but the reality is that in the past 2 years, I've not had any network outages. My DSL is provided by Megapath Networks. One of the best quality DSL providers around. I'd love to have triple redundant OC48 connections, but I don't have that kind of money, and I am not enamored with co-location. However. It sounds like in your one instance you have a quality box and you probably manage your server to the point it performs very well for the people that do get good pings to your DSL provider. In argument for the people who buy/manage servers off data center bandwidth, I think I can prove that 70%+ of all people /playing/ on a server are playing on datacenter bandwidth. This is NOT the same statement as most servers are run off of datacenter bandwidth (I think the opposite is true, I'll try to prove the point. - maybe that will convince Valve to change their listings alg.) Are you saying you'd have Valve bias the serverlist in favor of datacenter run servers? -- Jim Norton - http://www.jimnorton.org The art of listening is indispensable for the right use of the mind. It is also the most gracious, the most open and the most generous of human habits. (Attributed to R. Barr, St. John's College, Annapolis, MD) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
I haven't had the time to do that research yet. I made available the spreadsheet if someone /does/ have that time. Just as an opener, I /do/ know that 12.xx belongs to ATT, 65.xx, 68.xx and 69.xx are broken into multiple class B's owned by various datacenter groups (Atlanta's 12 marrieta owns multiple of the 68.xx and PEER1 owns multiple 65 and 69.xx class b's -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ooks Server Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 11:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read What is the nature of the octest that get the traffic? Are they servers hosted in datacenters? And the ones that don't get traffic, are they IPs normally used to serve home consumers? I would like to know more about what the octets represent - location, ISP, usage, etc. - Original Message - From: Shane Robinett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 10:04 PM Subject: RE: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Well, instead of just whining about it with no conclusive proof of anything, I demonstrate how apparently I have nothing to do at midnight.. This excel spread sheet found at http://www.phxx.net/dl/analysis.xls will demonstrate what, at first glance (that's all I've had), there is some definite outliers or preferential IP octet (first) that score the bulk of play. At the same time, some IP's simply don't appear to get /any/ traffic. Anything in baby blue is a EMPTY ip range. 41.xxx, 62.xxx,81.xxx,82.xxx,83.xxx,213.xxx,217.xxx for example are horrible empty. With 3200+ servers (using default 27015 port), they have a 1% fill rate! Yet, ranges 41.xxx, 61.xxx, 128.xxx, 210.xx x,211.xxx with 200 servers between these octets have upwards to 50% fill rate! Even my own 300 servers have a fill rate of 17-24% based on our various octets (I guess we are lucky). Anyone is willing to do more review of this data. - It's not at all inclusive in it's research ( I haven't traced geo data, etc) but it does give us some numbers to work with. Shane http://www.PHXX.NET - CIO http://www.simple-share.net share something http://www.w00t.net - server/player/map/sex search -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane Robinett Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 7:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read chuckle I think we are going off topic, my fault - I apologize. My point wasn't so much redundancy as it was peering and level of peering with other providers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Norton Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 7:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 06:46:58PM -0400, Shane Robinett wrote: I doubt that your single-hone bandwidth provider for your DSL provides the same quality of pipe people get at some quality carrier hotels and datacenters. Well the last mile of my connectivity has a single point of failure, but the reality is that in the past 2 years, I've not had any network outages. My DSL is provided by Megapath Networks. One of the best quality DSL providers around. I'd love to have triple redundant OC48 connections, but I don't have that kind of money, and I am not enamored with co-location. However. It sounds like in your one instance you have a quality box and you probably manage your server to the point it performs very well for the people that do get good pings to your DSL provider. In argument for the people who buy/manage servers off data center bandwidth, I think I can prove that 70%+ of all people /playing/ on a server are playing on datacenter bandwidth. This is NOT the same statement as most servers are run off of datacenter bandwidth (I think the opposite is true, I'll try to prove the point. - maybe that will convince Valve to change their listings alg.) Are you saying you'd have Valve bias the serverlist in favor of datacenter run servers? -- Jim Norton - http://www.jimnorton.org The art of listening is indispensable for the right use of the mind. It is also the most gracious, the most open and the most generous of human habits. (Attributed to R. Barr, St. John's College, Annapolis, MD) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit
RE: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
As one of my coworkers just pointed out, I now look like the illiterate buffoon with They you for the.. -- Thank you for the diatribe. - What will be useful? I can compile them into geographic regions as well, though I don't have an organization database on hand to map them all. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane Robinett Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 6:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read They you for the diatribe on internet protocol definitions. The list of reported servers/usage was done at 9pm EST which would be US/EAST peak but would still show a fairly healthy Western Europe usage (2GST). I'll repost new numbers, earlier in the evening and I'll include class A and B address groupings. It's hard to tell since no data collection methodolgy was given. The numbers could be completly random for all we know. I'm glad to see you are paying attention to your statistics courses in high-school. You may want to pay more attention to your English though. As t oan answer to your question, the methodology was a dump of the Valve Master Server listings for 9pm EST. No other methodology was used other then to group them by the first octet. Based only on a server's IP address you can't really tell much about the server itself. There is nothing about an octet of the server's IP address that makes it good or bad, but thinking makes it so. I'm guessing you haven't really read or paid attention to the thread or the previous postings regarding missing servers. Since Valve feeds you the masterlist into your STEAM client by IP (ordered by first octet, based on your specific first octet from your own ISP), IP's happen to matter quite a bit. The posted theories by others on this list is that the whole master list is not being dumped to client consoles and that whole groupings of servers are simply going unlisted. In an attempt to be constructive, we are trying to find a pattern so that we can go back to Valve with something solid and not simply an illogical whine. - Shane PHXX.NET www.simple-share.com www.w00t.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hexis Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 6:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 08:27:38AM -0700, Ooks Server wrote: What is the nature of the octest that get the traffic? Are they servers hosted in datacenters? And the ones that don't get traffic, are they IPs normally used to serve home consumers? I would like to know more about what the octets represent - location, ISP, usage, etc. The way blocks are used by the RIRs means that /8 sized networks* are more often than not used in a single region. Other than legacy registrations, there are 5 RIRs that assign IPs, ARIN (North America), LCANIC (South America), AFNIC (Africa), APNIC (Asian Pacific, includes AU and NZ) and RIPE (Europe). If all you have is an IP, then ordering the list by the first octet makes sense for the /8 you are in. It doesn't really do well beyond that boundry. After that all best are off. However, it is better than basing the order off the last octet, which means nothing. In the other message a few netblocks were picked on. 62/8, 81/8, 82/8, 83/8 213/8 and 217/8 are all RIPE IP ranges. Perhaps there is not the raw volume of players in RIPE land so, they simply have less population. Or perhaps the data does not take into account the difference of time zones, and was looking at servers in the US on their peak times, and servers in the EU at their off times. It's hard to tell since no data collection methodolgy was given. The numbers could be completly random for all we know. 41/8 Is reserved and not in use. Not sure where data from that bogon block came from. 61/8, 210/8, 211/8 are all APNIC space. 128/8 is given out to schools IIRC. I know the U of MN has 128.101/16. Based only on a server's IP address you can't really tell much about the server itself. There is nothing about an octet of the server's IP address that makes it good or bad, but thinking makes it so. * /8 is CIDR for what used to be called a Class A (pretty much). 24.0.0.0/8 is the range of 24.0.0.0 to 24.255.255.255, or all IPs with a first octet of 24. -- Hexis www.hxxl.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com
RE: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
Has a single person yet found a case where their server was NOT in the master list? The only cases I am aware of are firewalls not being able to handle the flood of udp packets once the master list is delivered. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane Robinett Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 6:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read I'm guessing you haven't really read or paid attention to the thread or the previous postings regarding missing servers. Since Valve feeds you the masterlist into your STEAM client by IP (ordered by first octet, based on your specific first octet from your own ISP), IP's happen to matter quite a bit. The posted theories by others on this list is that the whole master list is not being dumped to client consoles and that whole groupings of servers are simply going unlisted. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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mine is never listed on the master list On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:30:52 -0400, Deadman Standing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has a single person yet found a case where their server was NOT in the master list? The only cases I am aware of are firewalls not being able to handle the flood of udp packets once the master list is delivered. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane Robinett Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 6:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read I'm guessing you haven't really read or paid attention to the thread or the previous postings regarding missing servers. Since Valve feeds you the masterlist into your STEAM client by IP (ordered by first octet, based on your specific first octet from your own ISP), IP's happen to matter quite a bit. The posted theories by others on this list is that the whole master list is not being dumped to client consoles and that whole groupings of servers are simply going unlisted. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
Opps 211 is Iprimus address space silly me! On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:40:02 +1000, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All the 60's address space never officially existed before 1999 IIRC, its was like reserved space or something. 61/8 used to belong to One.tel (lol) which I think means it probably Optus Address space 210/8 is connect.com.au 211 is Optus as well I think from memory I could be wrong cause my memory is fataly flawed. :) There are a few address ranges still out there which for all intents and purposes is still reserved, i.e. Theoretically it should exist, but good luck finding it or being able to trace it or anything like that. eg, Anybody seen 70.'s 80.'s 90.'s address space in use? On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:06:28 -0500, Hexis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 08:27:38AM -0700, Ooks Server wrote: What is the nature of the octest that get the traffic? Are they servers hosted in datacenters? And the ones that don't get traffic, are they IPs normally used to serve home consumers? I would like to know more about what the octets represent - location, ISP, usage, etc. The way blocks are used by the RIRs means that /8 sized networks* are more often than not used in a single region. Other than legacy registrations, there are 5 RIRs that assign IPs, ARIN (North America), LCANIC (South America), AFNIC (Africa), APNIC (Asian Pacific, includes AU and NZ) and RIPE (Europe). If all you have is an IP, then ordering the list by the first octet makes sense for the /8 you are in. It doesn't really do well beyond that boundry. After that all best are off. However, it is better than basing the order off the last octet, which means nothing. In the other message a few netblocks were picked on. 62/8, 81/8, 82/8, 83/8 213/8 and 217/8 are all RIPE IP ranges. Perhaps there is not the raw volume of players in RIPE land so, they simply have less population. Or perhaps the data does not take into account the difference of time zones, and was looking at servers in the US on their peak times, and servers in the EU at their off times. It's hard to tell since no data collection methodolgy was given. The numbers could be completly random for all we know. 41/8 Is reserved and not in use. Not sure where data from that bogon block came from. 61/8, 210/8, 211/8 are all APNIC space. 128/8 is given out to schools IIRC. I know the U of MN has 128.101/16. Based only on a server's IP address you can't really tell much about the server itself. There is nothing about an octet of the server's IP address that makes it good or bad, but thinking makes it so. * /8 is CIDR for what used to be called a Class A (pretty much). 24.0.0.0/8 is the range of 24.0.0.0 to 24.255.255.255, or all IPs with a first octet of 24. -- Hexis www.hxxl.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
All the 60's address space never officially existed before 1999 IIRC, its was like reserved space or something. 61/8 used to belong to One.tel (lol) which I think means it probably Optus Address space 210/8 is connect.com.au 211 is Optus as well I think from memory I could be wrong cause my memory is fataly flawed. :) There are a few address ranges still out there which for all intents and purposes is still reserved, i.e. Theoretically it should exist, but good luck finding it or being able to trace it or anything like that. eg, Anybody seen 70.'s 80.'s 90.'s address space in use? On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:06:28 -0500, Hexis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 08:27:38AM -0700, Ooks Server wrote: What is the nature of the octest that get the traffic? Are they servers hosted in datacenters? And the ones that don't get traffic, are they IPs normally used to serve home consumers? I would like to know more about what the octets represent - location, ISP, usage, etc. The way blocks are used by the RIRs means that /8 sized networks* are more often than not used in a single region. Other than legacy registrations, there are 5 RIRs that assign IPs, ARIN (North America), LCANIC (South America), AFNIC (Africa), APNIC (Asian Pacific, includes AU and NZ) and RIPE (Europe). If all you have is an IP, then ordering the list by the first octet makes sense for the /8 you are in. It doesn't really do well beyond that boundry. After that all best are off. However, it is better than basing the order off the last octet, which means nothing. In the other message a few netblocks were picked on. 62/8, 81/8, 82/8, 83/8 213/8 and 217/8 are all RIPE IP ranges. Perhaps there is not the raw volume of players in RIPE land so, they simply have less population. Or perhaps the data does not take into account the difference of time zones, and was looking at servers in the US on their peak times, and servers in the EU at their off times. It's hard to tell since no data collection methodolgy was given. The numbers could be completly random for all we know. 41/8 Is reserved and not in use. Not sure where data from that bogon block came from. 61/8, 210/8, 211/8 are all APNIC space. 128/8 is given out to schools IIRC. I know the U of MN has 128.101/16. Based only on a server's IP address you can't really tell much about the server itself. There is nothing about an octet of the server's IP address that makes it good or bad, but thinking makes it so. * /8 is CIDR for what used to be called a Class A (pretty much). 24.0.0.0/8 is the range of 24.0.0.0 to 24.255.255.255, or all IPs with a first octet of 24. -- Hexis www.hxxl.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 06:46:14PM -0400, Shane Robinett wrote: I'm glad to see you are paying attention to your statistics courses in high-school. You may want to pay more attention to your English though. As t oan answer to your question, the methodology was a dump of the Valve Master Server listings for 9pm EST. No other methodology was used other then to group them by the first octet. A single point of data is all but meaningless. Collect data every 5 minutes for at least 24 hours. Break that data up into 24 hour chunks, then run some numbers on it. Doing less than that and attempting global analysis is utterly worthless. Doing daily averages over a week would be even better. You may want to be careful, not everyone is a kid on this list. There are some of us that have been maintaining servers for the better part of a decade. -- Hexis www.hxxl.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: Re[4]: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
when barely anyone complains about it, and actually seems to be working just the way it should be Barely anyone? Working just the way it should be? So I guess the thousands of posts detailing how stupid the changes were + the thousands of people who have almost 0 servers now, are just making the problem up huh? Clear;y there is still major problems. Instead of making a post pretending that everyone is happy, just because YOU are happy, why not try and help us come up with a solution that makes everyone happy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of spartibus Sent: 19 September 2004 00:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[4]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Once again assuming that just because I post to this list from home, that I must be running my dedicated server from there as well. I'm not, but even if I were, it wouldn't make your post any less stupid. I had enough of Valves incompetence and lack of concern for it's most loyal players that pay money for a server so they can make money off of us. Ahahaha. And this is the best part. When's the last time you've seen any game company say, Yessa, Massa! and change something instantly, when barely anyone complains about it, and actually seems to be working just the way it should be? Valve's certainly not perfect. But then again, who is? And for the last time, home based servers are MORE than adequate (in most cases). Just because you decided to use a sizeable amount of money to have someone run a server for you, doesn't make you any better than the next guy, and you certainly don't deserve any special treatment. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Dupler Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 9:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[4]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Saturday, September 18, 2004, 9:25:48 AM, you wrote: Hello, Well when you pay tons of money for a high powered server on a very fast line you would tend to get a bite sore when some kid with $50.00 and a left over server get's more traffic then you. I don't really care much anymore, I had enough of Valves incompetence and lack of concern for it's most loyal players that pay money for a server so they can make money off of us. It was my understanding that most cable companies state that running any kind of servers off their networks to be a violation on their TOS. Best regards, Jeff Dupler [EMAIL PROTECTED] MP Since when was this a war about how much someone pays to have their server MP up? MP Kind Regards, MP Monil Patel MP Network Manager MP Reload Network -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ooks Server Sent: 18 September 2004 18:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Translation: How can you have the balls to complain about anything that effects your puny crap laggy 3 man server run on a Pentium 1 with a Comcast 100kbps cable home connection when us big boys pay big bucks for our uber top notch PROFESSIONAL state of the art massive bandwidth servers? Go cry to your mommy and leave us big boys alone. - Original Message - From: Jeff Dupler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: spartibus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 8:21 PM Subject: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Friday, September 17, 2004, 8:57:55 PM, you wrote: Hello spartibus, Notice the comcast address, big surprise . Let me guess you pay $49.95 a month to run your server? Best regards, Jeff Dupler [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds MP ___ MP To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: MP http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
-GB-Carpy wrote: Clear;y there is still major problems. Instead of making a post pretending that everyone is happy, just because YOU are happy, why not try and help us come up with a solution that makes everyone happy. I don't think its possible to make EVERYONE happy because there aren't enough players to fill up all the servers that are up...IMO -- Zack Sloane http://zteknology.com We Put Personal Back in Personal Computer! You Dream it, We Build It! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I agree with you there 100%. There are NOT enough players to fill up EVERY server and it's really annoying to see the lame bitches keep complaining about this new system which is VERY fair. - Original Message - From: Z Teknology HLDS List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 03:39 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read -GB-Carpy wrote: Clear;y there is still major problems. Instead of making a post pretending that everyone is happy, just because YOU are happy, why not try and help us come up with a solution that makes everyone happy. I don't think its possible to make EVERYONE happy because there aren't enough players to fill up all the servers that are up...IMO -- Zack Sloane http://zteknology.com We Put Personal Back in Personal Computer! You Dream it, We Build It! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
I doubt that your single-hone bandwidth provider for your DSL provides the same quality of pipe people get at some quality carrier hotels and datacenters. However. It sounds like in your one instance you have a quality box and you probably manage your server to the point it performs very well for the people that do get good pings to your DSL provider. In argument for the people who buy/manage servers off data center bandwidth, I think I can prove that 70%+ of all people /playing/ on a server are playing on datacenter bandwidth. This is NOT the same statement as most servers are run off of datacenter bandwidth (I think the opposite is true, I'll try to prove the point. - maybe that will convince Valve to change their listings alg.) - Shane PHXX.NET Simple-Share.net W00t.net - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Norton Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 2:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 10:42:33AM -0800, Ooks Server wrote: It's not really a war, but there are those that tend to look down their noses at those with home based servers. It's all good, jus' poking fun at those that view them as the haves, looking at us girly-men have-nots running home based servers :-) What's wrong with a home based server? I pay $315/month for a 1.5mbit SDSL connection and run a server off of a P4 2.8Ghz HT, 2GIG ram and raid 5 disk subsystem. Just because my server is at home, I doubt that it provides sub-par game play... - Original Message - From: Monil Patel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 8:25 AM Subject: RE: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Since when was this a war about how much someone pays to have their server up? Kind Regards, Monil Patel Network Manager Reload Network -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ooks Server Sent: 18 September 2004 18:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Translation: How can you have the balls to complain about anything that effects your puny crap laggy 3 man server run on a Pentium 1 with a Comcast 100kbps cable home connection when us big boys pay big bucks for our uber top notch PROFESSIONAL state of the art massive bandwidth servers? Go cry to your mommy and leave us big boys alone. - Original Message - From: Jeff Dupler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: spartibus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 8:21 PM Subject: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Friday, September 17, 2004, 8:57:55 PM, you wrote: Hello spartibus, Notice the comcast address, big surprise . Let me guess you pay $49.95 a month to run your server? Best regards, Jeff Dupler [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Jim Norton - http://www.jimnorton.org The art of listening is indispensable for the right use of the mind. It is also the most gracious, the most open and the most generous of human habits. (Attributed to R. Barr, St. John's College, Annapolis, MD) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 06:46:58PM -0400, Shane Robinett wrote: I doubt that your single-hone bandwidth provider for your DSL provides the same quality of pipe people get at some quality carrier hotels and datacenters. Well the last mile of my connectivity has a single point of failure, but the reality is that in the past 2 years, I've not had any network outages. My DSL is provided by Megapath Networks. One of the best quality DSL providers around. I'd love to have triple redundant OC48 connections, but I don't have that kind of money, and I am not enamored with co-location. However. It sounds like in your one instance you have a quality box and you probably manage your server to the point it performs very well for the people that do get good pings to your DSL provider. In argument for the people who buy/manage servers off data center bandwidth, I think I can prove that 70%+ of all people /playing/ on a server are playing on datacenter bandwidth. This is NOT the same statement as most servers are run off of datacenter bandwidth (I think the opposite is true, I'll try to prove the point. - maybe that will convince Valve to change their listings alg.) Are you saying you'd have Valve bias the serverlist in favor of datacenter run servers? -- Jim Norton - http://www.jimnorton.org The art of listening is indispensable for the right use of the mind. It is also the most gracious, the most open and the most generous of human habits. (Attributed to R. Barr, St. John's College, Annapolis, MD) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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chuckle I think we are going off topic, my fault - I apologize. My point wasn't so much redundancy as it was peering and level of peering with other providers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Norton Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 7:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 06:46:58PM -0400, Shane Robinett wrote: I doubt that your single-hone bandwidth provider for your DSL provides the same quality of pipe people get at some quality carrier hotels and datacenters. Well the last mile of my connectivity has a single point of failure, but the reality is that in the past 2 years, I've not had any network outages. My DSL is provided by Megapath Networks. One of the best quality DSL providers around. I'd love to have triple redundant OC48 connections, but I don't have that kind of money, and I am not enamored with co-location. However. It sounds like in your one instance you have a quality box and you probably manage your server to the point it performs very well for the people that do get good pings to your DSL provider. In argument for the people who buy/manage servers off data center bandwidth, I think I can prove that 70%+ of all people /playing/ on a server are playing on datacenter bandwidth. This is NOT the same statement as most servers are run off of datacenter bandwidth (I think the opposite is true, I'll try to prove the point. - maybe that will convince Valve to change their listings alg.) Are you saying you'd have Valve bias the serverlist in favor of datacenter run servers? -- Jim Norton - http://www.jimnorton.org The art of listening is indispensable for the right use of the mind. It is also the most gracious, the most open and the most generous of human habits. (Attributed to R. Barr, St. John's College, Annapolis, MD) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
Well, instead of just whining about it with no conclusive proof of anything, I demonstrate how apparently I have nothing to do at midnight.. This excel spread sheet found at http://www.phxx.net/dl/analysis.xls will demonstrate what, at first glance (that's all I've had), there is some definite outliers or preferential IP octet (first) that score the bulk of play. At the same time, some IP's simply don't appear to get /any/ traffic. Anything in baby blue is a EMPTY ip range. 41.xxx, 62.xxx,81.xxx,82.xxx,83.xxx,213.xxx,217.xxx for example are horrible empty. With 3200+ servers (using default 27015 port), they have a 1% fill rate! Yet, ranges 41.xxx, 61.xxx, 128.xxx, 210.xx x,211.xxx with 200 servers between these octets have upwards to 50% fill rate! Even my own 300 servers have a fill rate of 17-24% based on our various octets (I guess we are lucky). Anyone is willing to do more review of this data. - It's not at all inclusive in it's research ( I haven't traced geo data, etc) but it does give us some numbers to work with. Shane http://www.PHXX.NET - CIO http://www.simple-share.net share something http://www.w00t.net - server/player/map/sex search -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane Robinett Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 7:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read chuckle I think we are going off topic, my fault - I apologize. My point wasn't so much redundancy as it was peering and level of peering with other providers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Norton Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 7:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 06:46:58PM -0400, Shane Robinett wrote: I doubt that your single-hone bandwidth provider for your DSL provides the same quality of pipe people get at some quality carrier hotels and datacenters. Well the last mile of my connectivity has a single point of failure, but the reality is that in the past 2 years, I've not had any network outages. My DSL is provided by Megapath Networks. One of the best quality DSL providers around. I'd love to have triple redundant OC48 connections, but I don't have that kind of money, and I am not enamored with co-location. However. It sounds like in your one instance you have a quality box and you probably manage your server to the point it performs very well for the people that do get good pings to your DSL provider. In argument for the people who buy/manage servers off data center bandwidth, I think I can prove that 70%+ of all people /playing/ on a server are playing on datacenter bandwidth. This is NOT the same statement as most servers are run off of datacenter bandwidth (I think the opposite is true, I'll try to prove the point. - maybe that will convince Valve to change their listings alg.) Are you saying you'd have Valve bias the serverlist in favor of datacenter run servers? -- Jim Norton - http://www.jimnorton.org The art of listening is indispensable for the right use of the mind. It is also the most gracious, the most open and the most generous of human habits. (Attributed to R. Barr, St. John's College, Annapolis, MD) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
Our servers are still as full as they ever were This issue and the previous issue never affected us, or if it did, we did not notice it. On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:43:14 -0700, spartibus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Jeff You noticed that I'm at home, big surprise. Let me guess, you think just because you (probably) run some half-assed GSP that you have priority over any of the other servers out there? I'm sorry you feel that way. Good luck, I hope you have fun blaming other people for your own mistakes and problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Dupler Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:21 PM To: spartibus Subject: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Friday, September 17, 2004, 8:57:55 PM, you wrote: Hello spartibus, Notice the comcast address, big surprise . Let me guess you pay $49.95 a month to run your server? Best regards, Jeff Dupler [EMAIL PROTECTED] s lol 100+ posts because the 10 people that THINK this affects them makes 10+ s posts each. s Oh no, my server doesn't get any traffic anymore, so it must be Valve's s fault! Oh and look how many people are complaining! A total of 11 people! My s gosh, that's the entire community! Valve, why wont you speak to us? Why wont s you do what no huge company has ever really done before? Even though you s continue to update a game that's like 5 years old, that's not enough! s Honestly, there's still 130,000 people playing at peak times, so obviously s there's nothing wrong here. Your server appears to CERTAIN (as in, not s everybody) people later than sooner on the MSL. So why are you angry again? s Why do you people think you deserve to be shown on the list before other s people? You don't. s ___ s To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: s http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
Since when was this a war about how much someone pays to have their server up? Kind Regards, Monil Patel Network Manager Reload Network -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ooks Server Sent: 18 September 2004 18:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Translation: How can you have the balls to complain about anything that effects your puny crap laggy 3 man server run on a Pentium 1 with a Comcast 100kbps cable home connection when us big boys pay big bucks for our uber top notch PROFESSIONAL state of the art massive bandwidth servers? Go cry to your mommy and leave us big boys alone. - Original Message - From: Jeff Dupler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: spartibus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 8:21 PM Subject: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Friday, September 17, 2004, 8:57:55 PM, you wrote: Hello spartibus, Notice the comcast address, big surprise . Let me guess you pay $49.95 a month to run your server? Best regards, Jeff Dupler [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re[4]: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
Saturday, September 18, 2004, 9:25:48 AM, you wrote: Hello, Well when you pay tons of money for a high powered server on a very fast line you would tend to get a bite sore when some kid with $50.00 and a left over server get's more traffic then you. I don't really care much anymore, I had enough of Valves incompetence and lack of concern for it's most loyal players that pay money for a server so they can make money off of us. It was my understanding that most cable companies state that running any kind of servers off their networks to be a violation on their TOS. Best regards, Jeff Dupler [EMAIL PROTECTED] MP Since when was this a war about how much someone pays to have their server MP up? MP Kind Regards, MP Monil Patel MP Network Manager MP Reload Network -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ooks Server Sent: 18 September 2004 18:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Translation: How can you have the balls to complain about anything that effects your puny crap laggy 3 man server run on a Pentium 1 with a Comcast 100kbps cable home connection when us big boys pay big bucks for our uber top notch PROFESSIONAL state of the art massive bandwidth servers? Go cry to your mommy and leave us big boys alone. - Original Message - From: Jeff Dupler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: spartibus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 8:21 PM Subject: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Friday, September 17, 2004, 8:57:55 PM, you wrote: Hello spartibus, Notice the comcast address, big surprise . Let me guess you pay $49.95 a month to run your server? Best regards, Jeff Dupler [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds MP ___ MP To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: MP http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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It's not really a war, but there are those that tend to look down their noses at those with home based servers. It's all good, jus' poking fun at those that view them as the haves, looking at us girly-men have-nots running home based servers :-) - Original Message - From: Monil Patel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 8:25 AM Subject: RE: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Since when was this a war about how much someone pays to have their server up? Kind Regards, Monil Patel Network Manager Reload Network -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ooks Server Sent: 18 September 2004 18:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Translation: How can you have the balls to complain about anything that effects your puny crap laggy 3 man server run on a Pentium 1 with a Comcast 100kbps cable home connection when us big boys pay big bucks for our uber top notch PROFESSIONAL state of the art massive bandwidth servers? Go cry to your mommy and leave us big boys alone. - Original Message - From: Jeff Dupler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: spartibus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 8:21 PM Subject: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Friday, September 17, 2004, 8:57:55 PM, you wrote: Hello spartibus, Notice the comcast address, big surprise . Let me guess you pay $49.95 a month to run your server? Best regards, Jeff Dupler [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 10:42:33AM -0800, Ooks Server wrote: It's not really a war, but there are those that tend to look down their noses at those with home based servers. It's all good, jus' poking fun at those that view them as the haves, looking at us girly-men have-nots running home based servers :-) What's wrong with a home based server? I pay $315/month for a 1.5mbit SDSL connection and run a server off of a P4 2.8Ghz HT, 2GIG ram and raid 5 disk subsystem. Just because my server is at home, I doubt that it provides sub-par game play... - Original Message - From: Monil Patel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 8:25 AM Subject: RE: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Since when was this a war about how much someone pays to have their server up? Kind Regards, Monil Patel Network Manager Reload Network -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ooks Server Sent: 18 September 2004 18:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Translation: How can you have the balls to complain about anything that effects your puny crap laggy 3 man server run on a Pentium 1 with a Comcast 100kbps cable home connection when us big boys pay big bucks for our uber top notch PROFESSIONAL state of the art massive bandwidth servers? Go cry to your mommy and leave us big boys alone. - Original Message - From: Jeff Dupler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: spartibus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 8:21 PM Subject: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Friday, September 17, 2004, 8:57:55 PM, you wrote: Hello spartibus, Notice the comcast address, big surprise . Let me guess you pay $49.95 a month to run your server? Best regards, Jeff Dupler [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Jim Norton - http://www.jimnorton.org The art of listening is indispensable for the right use of the mind. It is also the most gracious, the most open and the most generous of human habits. (Attributed to R. Barr, St. John's College, Annapolis, MD) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
Here here - well said Regards, Matt White [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of spartibus Sent: 18 September 2004 04:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read lol 100+ posts because the 10 people that THINK this affects them makes 10+ posts each. Oh no, my server doesn't get any traffic anymore, so it must be Valve's fault! Oh and look how many people are complaining! A total of 11 people! My gosh, that's the entire community! Valve, why wont you speak to us? Why wont you do what no huge company has ever really done before? Even though you continue to update a game that's like 5 years old, that's not enough! Honestly, there's still 130,000 people playing at peak times, so obviously there's nothing wrong here. Your server appears to CERTAIN (as in, not everybody) people later than sooner on the MSL. So why are you angry again? Why do you people think you deserve to be shown on the list before other people? You don't. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 10:42:33AM -0800, Ooks Server wrote: It's not really a war, but there are those that tend to look down their noses at those with home based servers. It's all good, jus' poking fun at those that view them as the haves, looking at us girly-men have-nots running home based servers :-) What's wrong with a home based server? I pay $315/month for a 1.5mbit SDSL connection and run a server off of a P4 2.8Ghz HT, 2GIG ram and raid 5 disk subsystem. Just because my server is at home, I doubt that it provides sub-par game play... Not a thing...to me. There are thousands of home based servers that perform very well. I don't have an actual count, I'm not sure anyone does. I'd be very interested to know the actual figures, home based versus data center based. $315...isn't that a bit spendy? What else do you do with the box? You have way too much memory and disk drive for an HL server. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 03:04:14PM -0800, Ooks Server wrote: What's wrong with a home based server? I pay $315/month for a 1.5mbit SDSL connection and run a server off of a P4 2.8Ghz HT, 2GIG ram and raid 5 disk subsystem. Just because my server is at home, I doubt that it provides sub-par game play... Not a thing...to me. There are thousands of home based servers that perform very well. I don't have an actual count, I'm not sure anyone does. I'd be very interested to know the actual figures, home based versus data center based. $315...isn't that a bit spendy? What else do you do with the box? You have way too much memory and disk drive for an HL server. Well, $315/month is a bit spendy. But you get what you pay for when it comes to DSL. It's cheaper than co-locating, and better than using a dedicated server.. I like having complete control over my hardware and OS setup. I certainly do more than run a HL server. I actually run a small web hosting and design business. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Jim Norton - http://www.jimnorton.org The art of listening is indispensable for the right use of the mind. It is also the most gracious, the most open and the most generous of human habits. (Attributed to R. Barr, St. John's College, Annapolis, MD) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: Re[4]: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
Once again assuming that just because I post to this list from home, that I must be running my dedicated server from there as well. I'm not, but even if I were, it wouldn't make your post any less stupid. I had enough of Valves incompetence and lack of concern for it's most loyal players that pay money for a server so they can make money off of us. Ahahaha. And this is the best part. When's the last time you've seen any game company say, Yessa, Massa! and change something instantly, when barely anyone complains about it, and actually seems to be working just the way it should be? Valve's certainly not perfect. But then again, who is? And for the last time, home based servers are MORE than adequate (in most cases). Just because you decided to use a sizeable amount of money to have someone run a server for you, doesn't make you any better than the next guy, and you certainly don't deserve any special treatment. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Dupler Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 9:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[4]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Saturday, September 18, 2004, 9:25:48 AM, you wrote: Hello, Well when you pay tons of money for a high powered server on a very fast line you would tend to get a bite sore when some kid with $50.00 and a left over server get's more traffic then you. I don't really care much anymore, I had enough of Valves incompetence and lack of concern for it's most loyal players that pay money for a server so they can make money off of us. It was my understanding that most cable companies state that running any kind of servers off their networks to be a violation on their TOS. Best regards, Jeff Dupler [EMAIL PROTECTED] MP Since when was this a war about how much someone pays to have their server MP up? MP Kind Regards, MP Monil Patel MP Network Manager MP Reload Network -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ooks Server Sent: 18 September 2004 18:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Translation: How can you have the balls to complain about anything that effects your puny crap laggy 3 man server run on a Pentium 1 with a Comcast 100kbps cable home connection when us big boys pay big bucks for our uber top notch PROFESSIONAL state of the art massive bandwidth servers? Go cry to your mommy and leave us big boys alone. - Original Message - From: Jeff Dupler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: spartibus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 8:21 PM Subject: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Friday, September 17, 2004, 8:57:55 PM, you wrote: Hello spartibus, Notice the comcast address, big surprise . Let me guess you pay $49.95 a month to run your server? Best regards, Jeff Dupler [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds MP ___ MP To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: MP http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
Hi Guys, Going thru the posts from august to today about the serverlist, community, not seeing calif and texas servers and the new masterlist system, there are over 100+ posts That said, NO response from Valve!!! I will not kiss and tell however, I have been in contact off the list with some members of this list and a person from Valve. Valve thinks the new list is the best thing since sliced bread and other GSP's have been going crazy with servers missing off the list and support issues because of this is hammering us bigtime. Server connections are way down, servers loads are way down on whether it's a machine with good IP's or bad ips, they both are way down. Looking back at last years server use graphs in aug/sept, we see a 30% drop this year. Some might say people are playing Source this year so 1.6 numbers are down, Lets not forget we got the 1.5 guys to 1.6 this year so it's a wash. When they created this new masterist they had the best intentions I'm sure, but in doing so they broke something, causing numerous servers not to be listed at all, most being in TEXAS and CALIFORNIA. If they cant fix this new list, why not go back to the old list system? End result is this new masterlist is a BAD idea in more ways than one. -Bobby ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
I agree 100% Jay Jay Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Turbo 6 Power Administrator -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 2:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Hi Guys, Going thru the posts from august to today about the serverlist, community, not seeing calif and texas servers and the new masterlist system, there are over 100+ posts That said, NO response from Valve!!! I will not kiss and tell however, I have been in contact off the list with some members of this list and a person from Valve. Valve thinks the new list is the best thing since sliced bread and other GSP's have been going crazy with servers missing off the list and support issues because of this is hammering us bigtime. Server connections are way down, servers loads are way down on whether it's a machine with good IP's or bad ips, they both are way down. Looking back at last years server use graphs in aug/sept, we see a 30% drop this year. Some might say people are playing Source this year so 1.6 numbers are down, Lets not forget we got the 1.5 guys to 1.6 this year so it's a wash. When they created this new masterist they had the best intentions I'm sure, but in doing so they broke something, causing numerous servers not to be listed at all, most being in TEXAS and CALIFORNIA. If they cant fix this new list, why not go back to the old list system? End result is this new masterlist is a BAD idea in more ways than one. -Bobby ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
Everyone can see its been a major mistake, except Valve. Surely they should be alarmed with a 30% drop? Shocking Valve. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby Sent: 17 September 2004 19:05 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Hi Guys, Going thru the posts from august to today about the serverlist, community, not seeing calif and texas servers and the new masterlist system, there are over 100+ posts That said, NO response from Valve!!! I will not kiss and tell however, I have been in contact off the list with some members of this list and a person from Valve. Valve thinks the new list is the best thing since sliced bread and other GSP's have been going crazy with servers missing off the list and support issues because of this is hammering us bigtime. Server connections are way down, servers loads are way down on whether it's a machine with good IP's or bad ips, they both are way down. Looking back at last years server use graphs in aug/sept, we see a 30% drop this year. Some might say people are playing Source this year so 1.6 numbers are down, Lets not forget we got the 1.5 guys to 1.6 this year so it's a wash. When they created this new masterist they had the best intentions I'm sure, but in doing so they broke something, causing numerous servers not to be listed at all, most being in TEXAS and CALIFORNIA. If they cant fix this new list, why not go back to the old list system? End result is this new masterlist is a BAD idea in more ways than one. -Bobby ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
30% drop in what? Thier player#'s and server#'s dont show any significant drops. Shocking Valve. ..your joking right! -Original Message- From: -GB-Carpy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 2:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Everyone can see its been a major mistake, except Valve. Surely they should be alarmed with a 30% drop? Shocking Valve. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
Becareful what you people ask for you just might get it! I know I opposed wasting time on fiddling with the way things used to be done, but did the rest of you? I mean you all had your chance to oppose this or to put up some sort of argument against changing the system as it used to stand. Doean't matter, feel free to ignore this, most of you did the first time, and it certainly has not affected my servers. But what can you do, huh? On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:30:16 -0700, Ooks Server [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valve thinks the new list is the best thing since sliced bread and other GSP's have been going crazy with servers missing off the list and support issues because of this is hammering us bigtime. As usual, Valve is seriously out of touch with their user base. They are the *only* ones that are happy with the new list. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
How exactly did anyone have a chance to protest? I never saw where the change was coming. Jay Jay Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Turbo 6 Power Administrator -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 4:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Becareful what you people ask for you just might get it! I know I opposed wasting time on fiddling with the way things used to be done, but did the rest of you? I mean you all had your chance to oppose this or to put up some sort of argument against changing the system as it used to stand. Doean't matter, feel free to ignore this, most of you did the first time, and it certainly has not affected my servers. But what can you do, huh? On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:30:16 -0700, Ooks Server [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valve thinks the new list is the best thing since sliced bread and other GSP's have been going crazy with servers missing off the list and support issues because of this is hammering us bigtime. As usual, Valve is seriously out of touch with their user base. They are the *only* ones that are happy with the new list. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
You mean show proof (like does the master server actually have or not have the missing servers) rather than just random whining, SHOCKING... BLASPHAME. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 4:20 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read 30% drop in what? Thier player#'s and server#'s dont show any significant drops. Shocking Valve. ..your joking right! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
No I'm not joking. Not at all. Nor are the vast majority of people who are extremely angry about this server list business. Maybe read some of the countless threads in here about how fed up and shocked they are with Valve's stupid change to the serverlist. The 30% was in reference to a previous post which I guess you didn't read. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: 17 September 2004 21:20 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read 30% drop in what? Thier player#'s and server#'s dont show any significant drops. Shocking Valve. ..your joking right! -Original Message- From: -GB-Carpy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 2:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Everyone can see its been a major mistake, except Valve. Surely they should be alarmed with a 30% drop? Shocking Valve. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
I'm talking about from valve's perspective.. (ie total numbers playing\serving) -Original Message- From: Jay Carter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 4:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Ive seen a 75% drop in connections since the changeover... take it with a grain of salt if you want. My servers still see a good amount of traffic but nothing like they did before the switch. Jay Jay Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Turbo 6 Power Administrator -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 4:20 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read 30% drop in what? Thier player#'s and server#'s dont show any significant drops. Shocking Valve. ..your joking right! -Original Message- From: -GB-Carpy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 2:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Everyone can see its been a major mistake, except Valve. Surely they should be alarmed with a 30% drop? Shocking Valve. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
Mine is fine. Ranks in the Top 3% in the world for activity. :-) ServerSpy Babe. -DOA --- Jay Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ive seen a 75% drop in connections since the changeover... take it with a grain of salt if you want. My servers still see a good amount of traffic but nothing like they did before the switch. Jay Jay Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Turbo 6 Power Administrator -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 4:20 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read 30% drop in what? Thier player#'s and server#'s dont show any significant drops. Shocking Valve. ..your joking right! -Original Message- From: -GB-Carpy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 2:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Everyone can see its been a major mistake, except Valve. Surely they should be alarmed with a 30% drop? Shocking Valve. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds = YIM: cybergamezone2002 Gaming Website: http://www.cybergamezone.com My League: http://league.cybergamezone.com Hotwheels Website: http://store.cybergamezone.com Gaming Clan Website: http://www.cybergamezone.net __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
NOT SENSE OF HUMOR.. No I'm not joking. Not at all. Nor are the vast majority of people who are extremely angry about this server list business. ...dude learn to read sarcasm Valves's been doing this type of thing for 3 years, though it's been much worse the last two.. my point was you SHOULD NOT BE SURPRISED...you can be pissed...but not surprised. -Original Message- From: -GB-Carpy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 4:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read No I'm not joking. Not at all. Nor are the vast majority of people who are extremely angry about this server list business. Maybe read some of the countless threads in here about how fed up and shocked they are with Valve's stupid change to the serverlist. The 30% was in reference to a previous post which I guess you didn't read. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: 17 September 2004 21:20 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read 30% drop in what? Thier player#'s and server#'s dont show any significant drops. Shocking Valve. ..your joking right! -Original Message- From: -GB-Carpy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 2:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Everyone can see its been a major mistake, except Valve. Surely they should be alarmed with a 30% drop? Shocking Valve. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
My bad.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: 17 September 2004 22:28 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read NOT SENSE OF HUMOR.. No I'm not joking. Not at all. Nor are the vast majority of people who are extremely angry about this server list business. ...dude learn to read sarcasm Valves's been doing this type of thing for 3 years, though it's been much worse the last two.. my point was you SHOULD NOT BE SURPRISED...you can be pissed...but not surprised. -Original Message- From: -GB-Carpy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 4:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read No I'm not joking. Not at all. Nor are the vast majority of people who are extremely angry about this server list business. Maybe read some of the countless threads in here about how fed up and shocked they are with Valve's stupid change to the serverlist. The 30% was in reference to a previous post which I guess you didn't read. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: 17 September 2004 21:20 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read 30% drop in what? Thier player#'s and server#'s dont show any significant drops. Shocking Valve. ..your joking right! -Original Message- From: -GB-Carpy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 2:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Everyone can see its been a major mistake, except Valve. Surely they should be alarmed with a 30% drop? Shocking Valve. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
Hmmm, Let me see When did the change go into effect? Beginning to mid September??? When does School start for most people of that age?? Beginning to mid September??? What is the average age of the players??? You figure it out. I have seen quite a few flames in the last few weeks on this list to people who posted questions that were not related to HLDS, and since the server change, I have seen only about a handful of reasonable posts about this change. Instead of whining about the change, it might be more constructive with your time to offer a positive solution to the problem. Ask yourself why did valve change the system? Gather hard proof as to your number claims, put together a responsible and respectful appeal and address it to the right people. Whining seldom if ever gets you what you want(ask my 5 year old) Also on a side note, do you think valve people might just be a bit busy with HL2 as they just delivered the RC to Vivendi on the 15th??? My 2 pennies, Dave R. Meyers Aka Starbreaker Oz Deathmatch ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Obviously, you haven't understood what I posted or what has been going on here lately, But I will answer your useless post Hmmm, Let me see When did the change go into effect? Beginning to mid September??? When does School start for most people of that age?? Beginning to mid September??? What is the average age of the players??? You figure it out. ANSWER: I compared the same timeframe from last year to this year!! I have seen quite a few flames in the last few weeks on this list to people who posted questions that were not related to HLDS, and since the server change, I have seen only about a handful of reasonable posts about this change. Instead of whining about the change, it might be more constructive with your time to offer a positive solution to the problem. Ask yourself why did valve change the system? ANSWER: Valve thought it would be better for the end users, they were wrong Gather hard proof as to your number claims, put together a responsible and respectful appeal and address it to the right people. ANSWER: I provided hard proof and missing servers to Valve and nothing was done about it. Whining seldom if ever gets you what you want(ask my 5 year old) Also on a side note, do you think valve people might just be a bit busy with HL2 as they just delivered the RC to Vivendi on the 15th??? ANSWER: So the world waits on HL2 and all other existing games go south. If they were busy with HL2 why bother touching the masterlist 3 weeks ago, it was working fine. My 2 pennies, Dave R. Meyers Aka Starbreaker Oz Deathmatch Thats my 2 pennies!! -Bobby -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
-GB-Carpy wrote: My bad.. wow. i can't remember the last apology i saw in here. I commend you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: 17 September 2004 22:28 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read NOT SENSE OF HUMOR.. No I'm not joking. Not at all. Nor are the vast majority of people who are extremely angry about this server list business. ...dude learn to read sarcasm Valves's been doing this type of thing for 3 years, though it's been much worse the last two.. my point was you SHOULD NOT BE SURPRISED...you can be pissed...but not surprised. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
Jay there were threads in this list that were almost as long as these ones with people complaining that the old system was unfair and demanding it was changed. I told them to shove it and to just deal with it back then, but I recall being a lone voice on this issue. You know what they say about speaking up when you have the chance, and you decide not to, because it doesnt affect you. But hey that story is a bit too servere for this list, but I think the analogy is within reason. On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:37:03 -0400, Jay Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How exactly did anyone have a chance to protest? I never saw where the change was coming. Jay Jay Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Turbo 6 Power Administrator -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 4:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Becareful what you people ask for you just might get it! I know I opposed wasting time on fiddling with the way things used to be done, but did the rest of you? I mean you all had your chance to oppose this or to put up some sort of argument against changing the system as it used to stand. Doean't matter, feel free to ignore this, most of you did the first time, and it certainly has not affected my servers. But what can you do, huh? On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:30:16 -0700, Ooks Server [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valve thinks the new list is the best thing since sliced bread and other GSP's have been going crazy with servers missing off the list and support issues because of this is hammering us bigtime. As usual, Valve is seriously out of touch with their user base. They are the *only* ones that are happy with the new list. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
lol 100+ posts because the 10 people that THINK this affects them makes 10+ posts each. Oh no, my server doesn't get any traffic anymore, so it must be Valve's fault! Oh and look how many people are complaining! A total of 11 people! My gosh, that's the entire community! Valve, why wont you speak to us? Why wont you do what no huge company has ever really done before? Even though you continue to update a game that's like 5 years old, that's not enough! Honestly, there's still 130,000 people playing at peak times, so obviously there's nothing wrong here. Your server appears to CERTAIN (as in, not everybody) people later than sooner on the MSL. So why are you angry again? Why do you people think you deserve to be shown on the list before other people? You don't. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
Message: 7 From: Ooks Server [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:30:16 -0700 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Valve thinks the new list is the best thing since sliced bread and other GSP's have been going crazy with servers missing off the list and support issues because of this is hammering us bigtime. As usual, Valve is seriously out of touch with their user base. They are the *only* ones that are happy with the new list. Well actually i'm quite happy... our server went from completely dead to completely full within a few days... before this i would consider the list broken since we saw almost no traffic and half the time our server wouldn't even show in the masterlist... but now it's working... so valve has done something right but i guess it needs more fine tuning so everyone can enjoy... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
Friday, September 17, 2004, 8:57:55 PM, you wrote: Hello spartibus, Notice the comcast address, big surprise . Let me guess you pay $49.95 a month to run your server? Best regards, Jeff Dupler [EMAIL PROTECTED] s lol 100+ posts because the 10 people that THINK this affects them makes 10+ s posts each. s Oh no, my server doesn't get any traffic anymore, so it must be Valve's s fault! Oh and look how many people are complaining! A total of 11 people! My s gosh, that's the entire community! Valve, why wont you speak to us? Why wont s you do what no huge company has ever really done before? Even though you s continue to update a game that's like 5 years old, that's not enough! s Honestly, there's still 130,000 people playing at peak times, so obviously s there's nothing wrong here. Your server appears to CERTAIN (as in, not s everybody) people later than sooner on the MSL. So why are you angry again? s Why do you people think you deserve to be shown on the list before other s people? You don't. s ___ s To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: s http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
Hello Jeff You noticed that I'm at home, big surprise. Let me guess, you think just because you (probably) run some half-assed GSP that you have priority over any of the other servers out there? I'm sorry you feel that way. Good luck, I hope you have fun blaming other people for your own mistakes and problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Dupler Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:21 PM To: spartibus Subject: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Friday, September 17, 2004, 8:57:55 PM, you wrote: Hello spartibus, Notice the comcast address, big surprise . Let me guess you pay $49.95 a month to run your server? Best regards, Jeff Dupler [EMAIL PROTECTED] s lol 100+ posts because the 10 people that THINK this affects them makes 10+ s posts each. s Oh no, my server doesn't get any traffic anymore, so it must be Valve's s fault! Oh and look how many people are complaining! A total of 11 people! My s gosh, that's the entire community! Valve, why wont you speak to us? Why wont s you do what no huge company has ever really done before? Even though you s continue to update a game that's like 5 years old, that's not enough! s Honestly, there's still 130,000 people playing at peak times, so obviously s there's nothing wrong here. Your server appears to CERTAIN (as in, not s everybody) people later than sooner on the MSL. So why are you angry again? s Why do you people think you deserve to be shown on the list before other s people? You don't. s ___ s To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: s http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Re: ServerList Destroyed
That makes sense. How many queries a second is it actually doing? What rule on your firewall is binning the response or is it binning the query? Steve / K - Original Message - From: Deadman Standing [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 3:51 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Re: ServerList Destroyed It does seem to be firewall related. When connected through the firewall I never see more than 4000. I just did a test by-passing the firewall and saw almost 19000 servers. It seems the master server is providing all the server names to the browser. The browser then queries each server. If the browser does not get a response it does not display the server. Thus the 4000 server I would see were just those the firewall let through. I also tried setting my steam speed to 56k modem to see if a smaller flow would perform better, but it made no difference. My concern is if this is a common problem a large percentage of the 118,000 users of steam may only be able to see a very small fraction of the servers out there. Time: 15:40 GMT Mod: cstrike Steam Speed: DSL 256k ISP: 3 mbits down 386 kbits up Region: World Servers: 18878 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 8:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] Re: ServerList Destroyed Your issue may be your local firewall limiting the number of UDP/TCP sessions. The server update will set most home/consumer firewalls off as an attack (udp flood) and it can easily quit accepting new connections until the old ones are gone. I have the same issue when I game on my Netscreen firewall since it limits to 2000 active sessions. I just simply connect to my Pix firewall and get the full list. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Re: ServerList Destroyed
Strange When I DMZ myself through my firewall, I get about 30,000 servers mo problems. The output from the qstat is as it should be. When I turn the DMZ off, the output format changes to become like this below. It just keeps on going listing lots like this. HLS 82.98.225.52:27015 0/10 de_train 46 / 0 cstrike NGServers.com | MFG Clan Server, channel IRC #meta-fraggeurs HLS 81.169.175.147:27015 no response HLS 82.98.225.53:2701514/15 cs_deagle7 47 / 0 cstrike public tontons fragueurs HLS 82.98.225.22:2701516/17 de_dust2 1641 / 2 cstrike La Taverne des bOlos ! HLS 81.169.174.140:27018 0/14 de_chateau 63 / 0 cstrike =[SoD]= Clanse rver | powered by www.svp-clan.de HLS 82.98.225.55:27015 2/12 de_aztec 46 / 0 cstrike NGServers.com | eXode-team | pw:exode HLS 81.169.174.140:27017 0/18 de_dust2 63 / 0 cstrike #nCs-Headshot- Hotel | powered by www.svp-clan.de HLS 81.169.174.180:27016 0/12 de_dust 1062 / 1 cstrike Inet Center CS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deadman Standing Sent: 15 September 2004 15:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Re: ServerList Destroyed It does seem to be firewall related. When connected through the firewall I never see more than 4000. I just did a test by-passing the firewall and saw almost 19000 servers. It seems the master server is providing all the server names to the browser. The browser then queries each server. If the browser does not get a response it does not display the server. Thus the 4000 server I would see were just those the firewall let through. I also tried setting my steam speed to 56k modem to see if a smaller flow would perform better, but it made no difference. My concern is if this is a common problem a large percentage of the 118,000 users of steam may only be able to see a very small fraction of the servers out there. Time: 15:40 GMT Mod: cstrike Steam Speed: DSL 256k ISP: 3 mbits down 386 kbits up Region: World Servers: 18878 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 8:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] Re: ServerList Destroyed Your issue may be your local firewall limiting the number of UDP/TCP sessions. The server update will set most home/consumer firewalls off as an attack (udp flood) and it can easily quit accepting new connections until the old ones are gone. I have the same issue when I game on my Netscreen firewall since it limits to 2000 active sessions. I just simply connect to my Pix firewall and get the full list. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Re: ServerList Destroyed
Your issue may be your local firewall limiting the number of UDP/TCP sessions. The server update will set most home/consumer firewalls off as an attack (udp flood) and it can easily quit accepting new connections until the old ones are gone. I have the same issue when I game on my Netscreen firewall since it limits to 2000 active sessions. I just simply connect to my Pix firewall and get the full list. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] RE: serverlist destroyed
Message: 4 From: Steven Hartland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] ServerList Destroyed Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:47:32 +0100 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sounds like ur being impatient just did a full refresh here and got: 18484 servers for CS alone Steve: I have been doing this a long time, there is a MAJOR problem with the list, I also used to pull 20,000 servers but not anymore, I can wait till the cows come home and some of us wont see 1500 servers. That was the point of my post, My side is fine, its Valves side that needs fixing. I am getting 40+ support calls a day about servers missing off the list. 20 of those are in CALIF. Most of us here have done a GREAT deal of Beta-Testing for Valve, They could at least help us out here. -Bobby ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
