Re: Basic SMP/E question
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Basic SMP/E question Individual PTFs, APARs, USERMODs, etc. can be selectively applied. That's what I thought. But, they claim it's a lot of work to sift through the APAR and pick out the non-PE'd (and their associated apply chains). SNIP In reading this thread, I keep getting the impression that the APAR lists several PTFs that have the same FMID (product version-release Identifier). And that each APAR addresses more than one issue. Is this the case? Or is it simple APARs listing 1 to say 20 PTFs? In either case, the Vendor should be able to provide you with the good PTFs. Just one man's opinion who has written a few APARs and PTFs over the years. Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Omegamon - How to
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Hewson Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Omegamon - How to Hello Steve, We protect the OMEGAMON commands via the security exit in the Omegamon Classic products...we use the same exit code for MVS, CICS and DB2. We call the module KOMRACFX We heavily modified the sample so that is uses General Resource profiles in the existing FACILITY classdue to history the resource name begins with CANDLE. resource name model: CANDLE.mmm.pp.resource mmm = B#OMMODE MMODE is the mode that the product is running in: VTM - Vtam mode DED - Dedicated mode SPF - ISPF mode TSO - TSO mode pp = B#DDPRFX DDPRFX is set based on the product that is running: OM - Omegamon/MVS OC - Omegamon/CICS O2 - Omegamon/DB2 OI - Omegamon/IMS For CICS and DB2 an extra qualifier identifies the target system. some example entries.. CANDLE.*.*.$PWD [EMAIL PROTECTED] CANDLE.*.*.CONS.** CANDLE.*.*.CONU.** CANDLE.*.*.INITIAL0.** CANDLE.*.*.INITIAL1.** CANDLE.*.*.INITIAL2.** CANDLE.*.*.INITIAL3.** CANDLE.*.*.MLST.** CANDLE.*.*.MSCN.** CANDLE.*.*.MZAP.** CANDLE.*.OC.COLL.* CANDLE.*.OC.CORE.* CANDLE.*.OC.CRSP.* CANDLE.*.OM.ALIB CANDLE.*.OM.APFU CANDLE.*.OM.CHAP CANDLE.*.OM.CSAF CANDLE.*.O2.DCMD.* CANDLE.*.O2.DCNS.* CANDLE.*.O2.MCHN.* CANDLE.*.O2.OJIN.* CANDLE.*.O2.OJTM.* Hope this gives you some hints.. SNIP Thanx. Just getting the right manual helped a lot (which another poster gave the link for) for the person that was actually fixing RACF and the exit. By COB yesterday, our one test LPAR had the code in place being tested. But this is good stuff to keep in the archives for the future. Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Omegamon - How to
Is there a way to define in RACF and have Omegamon recognize, that a user is authorized for the special features? The idea is to avoid having each authorized user from having to enter the special password. And we'd like to do it w/o having to put an exit in Omegamon. And I've looked at the mighty fine manuals, and it just isn't jumping out of the index, TOC, or PDF search for me. So, has anyone tackled this? How did you do it (assuming you got it to work)? Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Omegamon - How to
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Rice Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Omegamon - How to Steve, You can set up profiles in RACF. Look in the manual for Initial 1 intial 2 intitial 3. There are many ways to set up security but that is the basics. The one step that is sometimes forgotten is that when you get to the security module in ICAT you need to specify external=yes.The other thing is if OMEGAMON was never RACF protected before you might have to add a resource class to be able to define the profiles. http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/tivihelp/v15r1/index.jsp?topic= /com.ibm.omegamon_xezos.doc/welcome.htm This will get you to the Omegamon Documents online and you will want to go to the Omegamon II for MVS configuration guide. There is a chapter on implementing your security configuration. Chapter 4. This gives the permit commands and the information necessary. Hope this helps SNIP Thank you very much. I'd tried to find that, I had an idea that it was there and just couldn't find it. But, hey, I should have thought that this would become Iceburg Omegamon for USS. I mean, the name change should have just been so incredibly obvious to me (I still think the marketeers at IBM should be locked in a room where we, the users of their nominclatures, should get to come up with esoteric names for everything -- Entry-Exit Control devices with or without optional special security features, Model 3 writing device w/ optional coloration and color output, etc. -- and then make them write out exactly how to get out of the room, but just not tell them the names of what they need or where to find the correct names and then see how bent they get). Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SIO in SDSF vs read/write speed
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 11:47 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: SIO in SDSF vs read/write speed I made the following observation: 1. WRITE. I put some data to tape (3592J). The average transfer speed was approx. 70MB/s. SDSF shows very high SIO rate for the job, approx. 2500. Data generated by IEBDG, blocksize=32720, RECFM=FB, LRECL=80 2. READ. I read *the same* data, which I previously wrote. Got even higher transfer speeds, approx. 100MB/s,but significantly lower SIO rate, approx. 40 Dataset (FB 80 32720) read by ICEGENER. I think, ICEGENER reads the data in much larger chunks, so the number of I/O is lower, but the speeds is even greater. Am I right ? SNIP First, how big are your buffers? (BLKSIZE/BUFL) Second, how many buffers are you using? (BUFNO) How many can be scheduled at a wack? (NCP) Make everyone do the same and you should get the same results (within reason given load on system, channel utilization, etc.). Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LPAR Org Security
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Deaver Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 5:17 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: LPAR Org Security SNIP We systems engineers are, of course, arguing that we need that access as a matter of productivity. It really opens a can of worms, since if they were to dictate that, we would soon be arguing that all the development and test servers should also only be on the NEQAL network. And then we get into the arguments about where the production instances of DB2 verses the 3 test instances should be running. Separate LPARS? Ug. SNIP What is the cost of fully splitting the two networks and workloads? Part of that cost will be the building of a limited interface for production control to promote test source to production (I assume that this is done now in your shop). This limited interface may be a set number of DASD volumes that only production control can write to (from the test side), but which the production system reads for application software load libraries and storage of the production copy of source. Or, the copying of load members (and such) to tape and then loading from tape (would this require a different bank of tape drives in a different room -- don't laugh a certain USGov't installation where I've worked did exactly this). Next will be the cost of maintaining the two systems. Since you can't log in to the other LPAR, you probably can't access the other LPAR's DASD (other than for the exception above). This means that you will have to either have two PCs on your desk, or you will have to have two offices. Or you will have to have some other means to access each system in such a way that you won't accidentally make some change that should have been to/with the other system. This will also necessitate dual security data bases... So how far should one go in doing the splitting? And is management willing to give up the ability to fix the other system when it crashes and can't be IPLed? After all, a second LPAR that can touch the first LPAR is the first line of defense in disaster recovery (that assumes the computer room is otherwise functional, the CEC is otherwise functional, etc.). Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM changed its mainframe URLs once more
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walter Farrell Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 8:02 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM changed its mainframe URLs once more SNIP I'm told that site has been there for awhile already, and that the older z/OS pages have not changed their URLs yet, and so should work. So whatever the problem is, we do not think it is related to any changes like that. Possibly just a problem with a file system on some server; we've asked support to look into it. SNIP Would anyone know if this is being hosted on a z/box or some other? Has anyone thought to compare these outages to the level that we experienced when it was based on VM? And from Mr. Acker's days, what about 6-sigma? Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: GDG question
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Hare Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:20 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: GDG question I'm pretty sure I can do this, but I'm looking for a second opinion (and you're ugly, too as my coworker said doesn't count grin). I have the assistance of a job scheduler which can substitute variables in JCL to help with this idea, so bear that in mind. I want to create twelve GDGs, prefix.whatever.JAN, prefix.whatever.FEB and so forth. Then, instead of creating prefix.whatever.JAN(+1) I want to create prefix.whatever.JAN.G(day-of-month-with-leading-zeroes)V00 with DISP=(NEW,CATLG). In essence one generation per day of month, with missing generations if we don't run that day (state holiday or whatever). Then I want to be able to read prefix.whatever.JAN as the complete set, as you can do with GDGs. Are there any holes in this theory that I'm overlooking? SNIP I'm a bit hazy on this, but as I recall from doing this with SMF merging in a JES3 shop from many years ago: In your GDS build, you can have two or more files with the same Generation (G). However, you must have different Version (Vnn). The highest numbered version of the GDS takes precedence. So as another poster suggested, you can have a dummy entry (say ...G0001V00), and over-ride with ...G0001V01. Again, as someone else questioned for a rerun, if you need to rerun but NOT do a delete, you can create the GDS with (as an example) G0015V02. When you pull in your GDG, the highest numbered Version of a GDS is what you get when referencing all. Caveat: The preceding was based on DFP BEFORE SMS. Now, based on the SMS comment by someone, you can create 1 track GDS with V00 that are empty (OPEN/CLOSE w/ no write/put). Then the real ones can use V0x. SMS shouldn't have a problem with holes, because there won't be any. But you will take up space for a dummy file for each day of the month for each month of the year. Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: M$ Vista Experiences?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: M$ Vista Experiences? The update is way too expensive. Too many versions (Home Basic, Home blabla, etc, etc). Can't tell about functionality. SNIP Yeah, I decided to upgrade to Linux and Sun Office. Much more cost effective. Even runs x3270... Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Who intercepted SVC 26?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Scott Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:15 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Who intercepted SVC 26? Are they in Perth? Yep - it was transferred down there a few years back. SNIP ISPF/PDF went to Perth? Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe vs. Server (Was Just another example of mainframe costs.)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Mason Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 4:19 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Mainframe vs. Server (Was Just another example of mainframe costs.) Steve I'm afraid I have this bad habit of not adding a smiley or a bracketed g when I am making a comment which, to me, is sufficiently humourous to not require one. Note I was quoting a paragraph of yours which was a Catch 22. You need to check my posts for misspelled words which betray the origin of the poster, for example, humour for humor. The card punch should have been a giveaway. When did you last see one of these? Chris Mason SNIP Humour accepted (I deal with too many Brits). I honestly can't remember. I think the last one I saw was a spider (what I called 'em -- the tray with the buttons for each column and a column feed button. However, I have seen a line printer recently along with a couple of reel tape drives (model I can't remember). Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Long Live the Mainframe
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lionel B Dyck Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Long Live the Mainframe This is a multipart message in MIME format. SNIP This just showed up as gibberish for me. What was it supposed to be? Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Condition code checking for FTP
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucy Arnold Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 5:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Condition code checking for FTP Hello, I have a series of GET commands in a batch FTP job and when one of the PC files does not exist, then the whole job fails. Is there a way to do like condition code testing and have the job keep going??? snip Fails like how? Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SVCs
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craddock, Chris Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:12 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SVCs SNIP Later when S/370 came along the designers had recognized the deficiencies of SVC and they came up with PC (Program Call) as a lighter weight and more flexible mechanism. PC functions can be instantiated dynamically (much more so than SVCs) and they have the virtue that the PC instruction passes control more-or-less directly to the target PC function, avoiding a great deal of processing overhead. Return from the (original) PC instruction was accomplished by the PT (Program Transfer) function, which switched state and branched to the target instruction in a single operation - way faster than returning from an SVC. Later in S/370-ESA the stacking PC was invented and that used the (then new) linkage stack for saving and restoring the caller's state. When the linkage stack is used, the PR instruction (Program Return) is used to return control and restore the caller's state all in a single operation. So... SVCs are for dopes. PeeCees rool! SNIP Ok, there is another little tid-bit. If your PC routine is a global service routine (that is, can be used from ANY address space), then the hosting address space is marked non-reuse. So when your program (service provider) terminates (for ANY reason), your address space can't be re-used. Tends to tick off JES when that happens with one of its initiators (caused by you running as a batch job and not a started task). This is NOT a side-effect of an SVC. Your address space goes away normally when only using SVCs (unless w/in your SVC you set the ASCB no-reuse bit). Oh yes. There is a lot to know when doing/providing system services. And as someone else said, you really need to have a good understanding of what goes on under the covers with MVS if you are going to write these kinds of routines. Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe vs. Server (Was Just another example of mainframe costs.)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 11:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Mainframe vs. Server (Was Just another example of mainframe costs.) SNIP It depends on the distribution of course, but the following popular Linux drivers are closed source: NVIDIA (video) ATI (video) LSI Logic (storage) some software-based modems (e.g. Lucent) some ISDN drivers There are others as well. Some distributions (e.g. Debian, Ubuntu) don't include these drivers at all, and you have to go fetch them on your own if you want/need them. Others include them as standard Web deliverables, and still others (e.g. Linspire) include them in their distributions. For NVIDIA and ATI there are open source alternatives, although functionality may be more limited with the alternatives. SNIP Just so we are clear here, this can be a catch-22 situation. If you have a notebook/laptop and it needs one of the aforementioned drivers, just how do you boot so you can install it? Being a Linspire (and before that Lindows) user I can tell you that ATI drivers are a pain in the neck for this very reason. And it is one of the reasons that I'm going to pure Debian (Linspire wants you to get married to CnR (Click-n-Run), and so DON'T provide a C/C++ compiler or kernel source until you CNR it). Let's put this in a mainframe perspective: Imagine that you have decided on a specific type of graphics display and you have only bought those, and you must install a specific driver to use them. So you need to install these during system build, but you can't install a z/OS servrpac unless you can see what you are doing... But these issues aren't addressed when you buy an open system. And they are accepted as just the way it is for the open systems. Because of lack of standards for hardware interface, software behavior, install of drivers and other software, the hidden cost of ownership/computing can really bite you. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe vs. Server (Was Just another example of mainframe costs.)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Mainframe vs. Server (Was Just another example of mainframe costs.) SNIP At SHARE I can remember distinctly the PUBs people swearing up and down that they will document *ANY AND ALL* messages and codes. First it started with TCP line and then spread to other OE type products and now its a standing joke with COBOL. I am sure I left out a product or two but the point is IBM has broken many promises and with their current regime its only going to get worse. SNIP How about DFP and I/O? [Boy is this a hot button with me. must go get analgesic pain killer.large doseAmber colored from Scotland] Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe vs. Server (Was Just another example of mainframe costs.)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 7:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Mainframe vs. Server (Was Just another example of mainframe costs.) On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:10:11 -0600, Bill Seubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My pet peeve is the tendancy of some of the unwashed masses to refer to Wintel and/or *IX systems as open systems versus mainframes. And Windows is certainly not open. snip Windows are open, M/S implementation of Windows is not [Don't go there, M/S is still trying to perfect the TM on the generic name of Windows.] Later, Steve Thompson My comments are MY opinion and may or probably do not reflect the opinion of my employer or the US Government, among others. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
ABEND U999 in ISPF
Can anyone give me any reason why a REXX routine would cause ISPF to die with a U0999 and dump you off to TSO READY? OK, background to this: ISPF IPCS REXX. All the REXX exec does is look at a dump to find a certain type of control block and list it, note some comments, and exit. The problem is, for most users the REXX in question works with no problem. For yours truly (trying to add some new functionality), it takes ISPF out. I have rebuilt my profile D/S and that didn't do anything except cause me to lose things other applications needed. Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ABEND U999 in ISPF
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Scott Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 8:44 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ABEND U999 in ISPF Steve, From the ISPF Msgs and Codes book : Abend code 999 (or X'3E7') This abend is issued for the following reasons: snip Yes, I know. I have a printed copy of those two pages. It is why I killed my profile D/S and had it rebuilt. I have captured the dump from this. I can't find why ISPMAIN decided to ABEND U0999. However, in the dump I found several IOS10002I messages. But I seriously doubt this is the problem, or everyone here using this exec would have the problem. But I get it using the original or with my changes. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ABEND U999 in ISPF
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Scott Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 9:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ABEND U999 in ISPF Have you checked the DCB attributes for the ISPF DD allocations? - if you have a logon exec/clist it could be including datasets that are not in other peoples environment. Does the exec work in batch? If so - what happens? SNIP There is very little difference in the concats. My userid.CLIST has the REXX being worked on (the one in question) and the typical (for this shop) local routines for userid specific logon allocations. The DCB attributes haven't changed. The REXX in question works just fine (from the environment's point of view) when invoked as a subroutine. But when I do it as the top routine, ISPF falls over with U0999. When any of my coworkers run it, no problem!!! The problem first showed up when I was running TRX (which is how all of us run normally). So I took out TRX and it worked. I left this REXX to fix something else and then this REXX started falling over when I came back to it (with TRX out of the system). OK, now for the batch question. Ran just fine. And it looks like it will be easier to put the new functionality in using batch (makes them traces easier to take) -- wish I'd thought of this earlier. But I'd like to know why I'm so blessed. This one I can't chalk up to being ugly and my mother dressing me funny. I don't have to tie my shoes any more, I get to use Velcro. However, these extra long sleeves do get in the way from time to time. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ABEND U999 in ISPF
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Scott Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 11:33 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ABEND U999 in ISPF Steve, A couple of ideas to help debug : (1) Run the exec under dialog test and turn on all ISPF function tracing - take a look at the ISPF LOG and see if anything stands out. (2) Issue TSO ISPVCALL ON before running the exec and then TSO ISPVCALL again afterwards - maybe something will stand out in the trace output. snip Ag!! The discussion that was had recently about stack, stem, etc. was dead on for this. The original design was for this REXX to be an external subroutine, not a standalone routine. It was about 90% set up to also function as a standalone routine when the person doing it was, well, RIFed. So here I am some years later fixing various and sundry problems and stepped on a land mine because I missed the fact that about 12 statements needed to be written to finish protecting the push of a stem var... Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Rolled Off GDG's
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Steely Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 2:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Rolled Off GDG's What does it mean when when a GDG status is ROLLED-OFF. SNIP It means that the generation data set (GDS) is no longer part of the GDG. That means that if you coded the following: //SYSUT1 DD DSN=POP.FLGD.FLD100.BYFLT,DISP=SHR you should get all the generations still in the GDG base, but none of the ones listed as Rolled Off. Now, how is it that you have GDSes that are not in the GDG base? Well, it can be done by allocating the GDS with an expiration date (this is what I see most of the time with Tapes). It can also be that the GDS is allocated specifically (i.e., not with ...(+n)) -- and is behind where the GDG base currently is on GooVoo numbers. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Withdrawal of VM ServiceLink
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Finnell Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:11 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Withdrawal of VM ServiceLink In a message dated 1/8/2007 9:51:22 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can't win. You can't break even. You can't even quit the game. or You can check out, but you can never leave It's really silliness. They got to have product listings for themselves. So how you gonna promote the industry? Let the people that need to see it, see it! They already signed NDA's out the ying-yang what's the big deal? SNIP Well, we have determined that the green screen systems can't do GUI... aren't storage efficient... [The Peterson Principle is still in effect.] Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ward, Mike S Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 2:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Just another example of mainframe costs. Take a look here=0D=0A=0D=0A=20=0D=0A=0D=0Ahttp://computerworld.com/action/= article.do=3Fcommand=3DviewArticleBasictaxo=0D=0AnomyName=3Dhardwarear tic= leId=3D9006994taxonomyId=3D12=0D=0Ahttp://computerworld.com/action/art icl= e.do=3Fcommand=3DviewArticleBasictax=0D=0AonomyName=3DhardwarearticleI d=3D= 9006994taxonomyId=3D12=20=0D=0A=0D=0A=20=0D=0A=0D=0A=20=0D=0A=0D=0A--- --O= riginal Message SNIP Is this just me, or did anyone else get this scrambled this bad? And if so, what is the cause, our Exchange/Outlook or the sender's email client? Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Brock Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 2:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Just another example of mainframe costs. It wasn't that bad for me. Just so you can get to it, this URL should work in the short term: http://tinyurl.com/y6drqb SNIP I read the article finally (someone else sent me the link offline). All I have to say is, I had a client that spent (my best guess) just over US$100 Million to prove this. First, they had a 3 TB Shark and the master file they needed had to be flattened (no packed data, no redefined fields). That file and all the others needed for the data base they had to build took up about 3 TB alone (the open systems' sharks added up to about 9TB). Then, they had to have 4 servers for web page service (including the workload manager). 4 data base servers, 4 application servers, multiple GiGE adapters (to handle the I/O workload). Meanwhile the Prez (or his proxy) forbid CICS/TS to do HTML. And the projected workload handled by the mainframe had been exceeded, the designed workload could not be met by the open systems. The ONLY system that migrated off the mainframe was the financial application, which went to Oracle. I was told that the Oracle database needed 5 times the disk space they had been using under z/OS. The other projects were abandoned because they were not going to expand the data center for the 3rd time to handle the number of boxes needed. I had another client before this one that effectively pulled off the same thing, migrating 3 mainframe systems (newly acquired entities) to an open systems solution. They did not migrate all the mainframe systems to one stable system first. They built the new system from scratch. While management declared it a success, the users found it to be a flaming disaster. They acquired another company that had a working system, the CIO retired and they migrated to the functional system (betcha can't guess what hardware it was on). I have only been involved in two migrations from mainframe to non-mainframe that worked. The financial app mentioned above and another one to a S/36! Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Withdrawal of VM ServiceLink (apology)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 3:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Withdrawal of VM ServiceLink [The Peterson Principle is still in effect.] If you mean the one where everybody is promoted to their level of incompetance, it's the Peter Principle. Named after (the latey) Professor Lawrence J. Peter. snip My apologies to all and in particular, Prof Peter. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: V2X2 vs. Shark (SnapShot v. FlashCopy)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pinnacle Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: V2X2 vs. Shark (SnapShot v. FlashCopy) SNIP Steve, Over what period of time were the volumes FlashCopy'd? My understanding is that DFDSS front-ends the FlashCopy function, so you only get the FlashCopy just before DFDSS can do the physical backup to tape. Can you batch all the FlashCopy's, then copy them to tape later? It's very important to keep the time window when the volumes are actually copied as small as possible. SNIP It has been about 4 years since I was involved with that process. As I recall, from the time the flashcopy jobs started to the time they were all completed was about 10 minutes (we did not flash all the volumes at once, automation submitted the flash jobs so many seconds/minutes apart). Batch jobs were complete at that point (except for incremental backups). As soon as the flashcopy jobs completed, on-lines (CICS) could become active (the files were closed/disabled in CICS terms) and TSO max users was changed from 0. The jobs were then started to backup the flashed volumes. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Just another example of mainframe costs.
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craddock, Chris Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Just another example of mainframe costs. I bought an external 500GB USB2 backup disk for a home system yesterday for a couple of hundred bucks. You are not doing an apples-to-apples comparison. Yes I do know the difference and I know it's not an apples to apples comparison. The point is that the drives for these cheap and cheerful PC wing-dings are the same and you can actually buy out of the box RAID solutions for not a lot of dough. There is some uniqueness in the mf solution, but the raw hardware cost doesn't go close to explaining the price customers pay. Can you say gouging boys and girls? SNIP Perhaps it is gouging, perhaps not. The RVA in question must meet the FICON/ESCON protocols. It must also do error correction/detection. It must also support multi-pathing, controller behavior, etc. All of those things have some costs. That's why SCSI devices cost more than [E]IDE (or so the disk vendors tell me). And going back to the squatty box boys/girls ROFLMAO routine, the next time you do a D/R test, who actually recovers? And if they do recover, do they recover at a known point in time (synchronized with the other platforms so that you don't have a secondary disaster)? Or did they say something about how they run 24x7 while the mainframe has to have a batch window? [Which happens to be a design choice, not specifically a mainframe forced behavior.] Don't forget to remind management when a squatty box fails in the middle of the day that the mainframe is STILL running. And if you ever have to have a power supply replaced on the mainframe (concurrent maint), don't forget to remind management of that fact -- NO Down Time (what the Z is supposed to refer to is Zero down time if I remember correctly). And like I used to say when I was still doing systems programming for a living -- The mainframe's biggest attraction is BOREDOM. It is a tool that does what it needs to do, all day with very little maintenance. The biggest attraction for the squatty boxes is their ability to generate excitement with NO WARNING. Right now, even as I type this, one of my co-workers is experiencing that excitement. Not only did a boot drive fail, but the power supply burned up right after swapping drives! And no, the problem child machine did not have RAID. So what's worth more to a business, a cheap box that fails with no warning, or a more expensive box that runs for 3-5 years with PLANNED down time? Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: V2X2 vs. Shark (SnapShot v. FlashCopy)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pinnacle Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 5:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: V2X2 vs. Shark (SnapShot v. FlashCopy) My current client has a V2X2 and is thinking about replacing it with a Shark. SnapShot is used to snap 600 volumes in about 5-10 minutes. The physical tape backups are done from the snaps and take about 8 hours. This DR process is fully tested and works great. My main concern if we replace the V2X2 with the Shark is the DR process. Has FlashCopy improved to the point that you can make a point in time backup and physically move it to tape later? And can you FlashCopy the entire box in a few minutes? If not, the DR process for this client is going to get much more complicated. PPRC or XRC are not options due to cost. Let me know your thoughts. snip What you describe is exactly what I did for a client in Columbus OH. They had a Shark for their mainframe. We flashed as soon as the batch cycle ended and then did the full volume copies to tape (2 copies) (one for on site and one for offsite). As I recall, Backups of the flash copies started between 5a-6a and finished by 9AM. 3390-3s and 3490 with oreos. I've forgotten how many 3490 units and how many DASD units. Oh yeah, and D/R tests worked the first time, every time. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: RACF - Password rules.
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chase, John Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 8:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: RACF - Password rules. SNIP Hopefully password reset will include a provision for resetting (or deleting) a forgotten pass phrase. It would be unfortunate to forget exactly how one spelled something like, TwennyfivadollaBiddanowathuttyDollaThuttydollabiddathuttydollanowabidon emallathirtydollargimmethuttydollanowahulamakeathuttydollabid. :-) SNIP SOLD! To the man with the JES3 button. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Data replication at a remote site - elementary doubt
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mautalen Juan Guillermo Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Data replication at a remote site - elementary doubt Hi, Sorry for this very basic question, but i am not a system programmer (just a RACF administrator). When you implement synchronuous (or asynchronuous) copy of your DASD data to a remote site, is it necessary for the remote site to have a z/OS system active? Or is the copy performed at a hardware level between both DASD controllers? Thanks for your help, snip No it is not required. And until you issue commands that stop the mirroring (depending on how implemented), the remote site can't have anything but read access to the data, if at all. In the case of a HOT D/R site, the remote processor(s) may be powered, but not IPL'ed. Upon the mirroring being stopped (by commands or by the links being broken for some reason), the HOT standby can now IPL. Simple explanation for NON-Tech or someone not deeply involved in remote mirroring. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Montevago Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:12 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD Hi, What's the max number of cyl's you can specify for primary/secondary allocations ? I have mod-9's in an SMS pool and tried SPACE=3D(CYL,(4000,4000),RLSE) and received an E37-00 Extend failed 04034379. The 4379 (17273 dec) says, Allocation failed for all volumes selected for the data set. I searched some of the manuals and can't seem to locate anything. Then again it was our Holiday Party last night, and the fog is a bit thick today. TIA Happy Holidays to All. Dean=20 SNIP From my z/OS 1.7 JCL REF: - The size of a data set is limited to 65,535 tracks per volume except for the following types of data sets: - Hierarchical File System (HFS) - Extended format sequential - Partitioned data set extended (PDSE) - VSAM - Large format - There is also LBI (Large Block Interface), and if this bit is turned on (in the Format 1 DSCB?), then it may also exceed the 65,535 (64K) Track limitation. Note this is MAX tracks on A VOLUME, period (that's all primary and secondary extents combined). Now, with SMS and DSNTYPE=LARGE, etc., the 64K track limitation is removed (as listed above). Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Montevago Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Max Allocation w/ Space= DD Can anybody comment on this: I specify 4000/4000cyl and z/OS allocates 1/4000cyl. The info you guys provided has been very helpful but I don't understand why I'm getting this SNIP How much space is available on the VOL? How many extents are needed to meet the 4000 primary request? If it can't be met, you will fail allocation. Also, what z/OS are you running? Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
REXX Question - Variable Control Passing (IPCS/ISPF)
I have a problem where I would like to pass some number of variables between different REXX sources (in this case 200). I have placed the variables into a single REXX source. And I know that this can't be called and then have those variables available in the calling REXX exec (if I can, that would be wonderful). I can't find a copy statement that would allow me to copy the one source (similar to ALC or COBOL to copy a common record description) so that each EXEC that uses the common variables can get them. Also, putting these variables into each EXEC that needs them makes this a maint nightmare because one would have to know every place they exist... My options at this point seem to be IPCS EQUATE for each variable or ISPF VGET/VPUT. Since we do handle multi-address space dumps, the IPCS EQUATE seems to be headed toward heartburn. The ISPF VGET/VPUT brings up its own set of heartburn in that if you change from one dump to another, you have to re-establish the variables. Any suggestions? Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: REXX Question - Variable Control Passing (IPCS/ISPF)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Arthur T. Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:55 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: REXX Question - Variable Control Passing (IPCS/ISPF) SNIP Create a single string with all of the assignment statements separated by some character (e.g. ';'). Use that as the return string from a function call. Parse the return and interpret each assignment. Trivial (but tested) example follows: SNIP Duh! What you described is effectively the REXX version of COPY. I guess I just got too close to the problem to see a simple solution. (Meanwhile, I was taking the original list of variables being assigned their values and was processing with a MACRO and PUNCH... I've been doing too many conversions). Thanx, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question about SVC 109
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lindy Mayfield Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 3:07 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Question about SVC 109 So type-3 or type-4 is the same nowdays? SNIP As I recall, TYPE 3 are single page SVCs, while TYPE 4 may be larger than 4096 in size. But for all intents and purposes, they are the same now. But as a purist, and to prevent some weird and hard to diagnose error, I honor the difference. Regard, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ray Mullins Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 4:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones You make the presumption (sorry) that this doctrine applies to all court cases. It only constitutionally applies to criminal courts. In civil court, the burden of proof is on the defendant - always has been, even in English common law. That's why OJ owes the Goldman family a bazillion dollars or something like that. In a similar vein, that free speech right applies only to Congress shall pass no law In a private corporation, there is no such thing, so if you say the CEO is a cheatin' lowlife who steals from the company, you can be fired, and he can sue you for libel, which is in a civil court, so it is up to you to prove that he is a cheatin' lowlife who is stealing from the company. (Of course, you might get lucky and have proof, in which case you should have contacted your local district attorney first and presented the information.) Later, Ray snip Ray: Methinks you have a few things confused. In a CIVIL case, the burden is upon the Plaintif, but one only needs a preponderance of evidence, not beyond reasonable doubt. Your CEO item is slander, not libel (unless you published your opinion). However, you are still entitled to Free Speech. It is just that your freedom is somewhat controllable by one's employer (e.g., dissemination of trade secret or confidential info, things that damage morale of fellow employees, cause customers problems, etc.). Now, if you are a public individual, slander and libel become more difficult (wait until The Donald attempts his threatened lawsuit against Rosy). Which is why news entities aren't out of business. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: REXX Question - Variable Control Passing (IPCS/ISPF)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: REXX Question - Variable Control Passing (IPCS/ISPF) Assuming you want to stick to REXX and the variables are in a separate member, something like this should work: SNIP That works when you know where the member is that holds what you are after. However, by taking the member and having it issue a MAKEBUF and then QUEUEing the variables into there, the calling EXEC can then issue PULL var_name followed by INTERPRET var_name. That is as close to a COPY member as I can get with REXX. And it worked on the third try (too much chocolate stuff stuck to fingers makes for finger checks and messy kegtops. See what I mean? Thanks for the ideas to all. The MAKEBUF/QUEUE/PULL/INTERPRET wokrs exactly like I need. Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark H. Young Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 8:55 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones snip Haven't their lawyers heard of Stare Decicis ? snip Decide differently regardless of what is written? (Loses a lot in translation). How about Res judicata? Let it rest, it has already been adjudicated. [Obviously I'm not a lawyer, I've just had too much fun dealing with court systems.] Again, the problem is, all the consent decrees have expired (US and EU). So it would have to be argued again in the courts. And I guess that is exactly where IBM wants it, because now they can argue that they are not in control of a large share of the computer market. bigot That's assuming you call the tinker toys computers \bigot ;-) Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IPCS ASID
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thompson, Steve (SCI TW) Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 4:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: IPCS ASID I'm working on a little problem. I have an SVCDUMP that contains more than one address space. I have a LARGE exec library for diagnosing various things. =20 The problem is, I just can't seem to establish the ASID to be used for addresses, C/Bs, etc. snip The problem is with FIND inside our REXX code. If we use SETDEF ASID(x'0043') (or some such), the FIND returns RC=4. If we put the ASID on the FIND it returns RC=4. If we do an =1; ; and set to the ASID we want with address 00. and then issue FIND for the same data, it finds what we are looking for. The RC=4 just doesn't tell us enough about what is wrong with the FIND in this case. It would appear that it is not a syntax problem because the FIND in question works just fine when the dump contains a single address space (via DUMP, SLIP or SYSMDUMP). Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HCD EDT's Generics
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: HCD EDT's Generics Hello, I've create a new EDT 01 from the 00 menber. I have the following listed for generics: /,Generic Name ,Preference Value ,VIO _,SCTC, , 8300, ,No _,3211, , 1900, ,No _,3277-2 , , 3800, ,No _,3390, , 280, ,No _,3480, , 1100, ,No _,3590-1 , , 950, ,No _,3791L , , 7700, ,No _,4245, , 1890, ,No I would like to break out the 3390 generic into 2 groups; 3390-3 and 3390-9. snip Since I no longer work on HCD/IODF, I can only make a suggestion that you define ESOTERICs for them. And I am only suggesting this because of how few of us are at our respective desks at this point in the year. Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: MB to Cyl Conversion
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 10:13 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: MB to Cyl Conversion SNIP Since we're talking about DASD space, shouldn't those factors be 1000, as opposed to 1024 ?? SNIP H. DASD operating on a radix of 10 instead of 2. I hope M/S doesn't patent that concept. [It's Monday, I've dealt with too many PC oriented people over the weekend.] Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 10:49 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 18:52:45 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, refusing to license patents on reasonable terms, or using invalid patents to restrict competition, could well be. Of course, but it is a different issue and does not prevent a company, a priori, from enforcing its patent rights. People have talked about several things: - The validity of patents - Patents vs. Copyrights - The requirement to license a patent - The terms of a patent license - Software licenses, terms and conditions All are reasonably debated and interrelated, but a ruling against one is not a ruling against all. And while someone may not like IBM's actions in all of the above areas, or may even disagree with the laws that govern them, it seems encumbent on us to support IBM's *right* to take action under existing law. It's kinda like that old saw in the US about free speech: I may not agree with what you say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it. If anyone wants to read about it, Title 35 of the United States Code is filled with fun and interesting facts about patents. Copyrights can be found in Title 17. snip Your arguments, vis-Ã -vis arguing about patents, violates my pending patent on The business reasons for generating arguments about patents (software) and thereby causing competitor's employees to not be working at full efficiency. /sarcasm /irony /humor Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Plurals and language confusion
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chase, John Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 2:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Plurals and language confusion -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Patrick O'Keefe Words change over time. There used to be a legume called the pease in English. But that sounded plural so people started using as such. And a word means what people think it means, so that legume is now the pea. That was long before acronyms were common (if they existed at all). I suspect PIN is well on it's way to becoming pin with a definition something like A password consisting of digits. So eventually we might not need to remind folks to enter their Personal Identificati on Number number when they visit an Automated Teller Machine machine? SNIP Would that be why the drive up access only ATM machines have Braille on them to assist the hearing impaired? And all this time I thought those other drivers got their DLs the department of Cracker Jacks (name owned by its owner, who else?). Can this world get any more dumbed down and screwy? Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Plurals and language confusion
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clark Morris Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 5:15 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Plurals and language confusion SNIP Many blind people are in a passenger seat or walk around the car to use the ATM. The Colorado Drivers Manual may be on audio tape for the functionally illiterate or for the same reason people with good eyesight buy talking books. Similarly, we need to make sure our computer systems are accessible to users who may have various limitations. If you are in the United States make certain that your web-site developers are aware of the disability regulations (section 506 0r 508 as I recall). I have found them via search engine. SNIP Maybe because I am a bit dyslexic (and suffering with sleep deprivation), I have a hard time with this. Meanwhile, I have, so far, been unable to find a flat screen monitor that will put up the dots so it can be read via Braille [OK, yes I do know that there are Braille readers, I have known people that need/use them]. But it has been a long month for me. A little slap-happy humor (while a bit OT for the subject) without you being able to see the tip of my tongue laying on the floor... Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
IPCS ASID
I'm working on a little problem. I have an SVCDUMP that contains more than one address space. I have a LARGE exec library for diagnosing various things. The problem is, I just can't seem to establish the ASID to be used for addresses, C/Bs, etc. Would anyone have a quick hint on how to convince a CLIST or REXX which address space I am trying to process? I have tried to set (from the defaults panel) the asid I want, but that doesn't seem to cut it. And so far, trying to specify ASID on commands hasn't worked too well. I am trying to RTFM and look at IBM's supplied REXX/CLIST for IPCS, but obviously I'm missing something. If I don't respond for about a day, its because I've finally crashed from exhaustion (end of year stuff that has to be done so QA will bless a product release). Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S0C1 with ILC 6
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 3:15 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: S0C1 with ILC 6 snip You can get a S0C1 (PIC 1) with ILC 6 if the prior instruction that executed successfully was a 6 byte instruction. If you EXecute an instruction (6 byte) and then the next instruction is not valid, you will get the ILC 6. So, you need to look at the PSW location again. Then backup 6 bytes and see if that is a valid instruction. If not, you have your culprit. However, if it is, I think it is time to provide what you have to both the ISV and IBM. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Decimal FP (was: vendor JCL)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 3:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Decimal FP (was: vendor JCL) Simultaneous Peripheral Operations On Line. I know that's what IBM says it meant. I don't believe them, I think SPOOL always meant spool. I don't know about that. The first time I heard it was in the mid-1970's (in University) and I was told, then, that was what it stood for. If it were to be coined today, it would be SPOO, since Online is now one word. SNIP If I remember correctly, that was what it was called on a Burroughs B-series system. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 7:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones SNIP I think trying to argue that IBM is a monopoly by looking at the zSeries market would very likely fail miserably. The market for zSeries is relatively small in the overall market, at least compared to Intel. I don't know how zSeries compares to Wintel or Lintel in terms of revenue (or profit), but in absolute numbers, it is teeny-tiny. SNIP I think that their successfully arguing this (monopoly in mainframes) will largely depend on WHY AMDAHL decided to stop making mainframes as well as HDS. If the PCMs were forced out of the industry by actions taken by IBM, then the counter claim by PSI may prevail in a very big way. Particularly with a Democratically controlled White House in the USofA. And should this get argued in the EU, they may stand a chance of getting the old rules re-instated. But, I did not stay in the prerequisite lodging establishment last night and I am not a lawyer. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:55:44 -0500, Thompson, Steve (SCI TW) wrote: If the PCMs were forced out of the industry by actions taken by IBM, then the counter claim by PSI may prevail in a very big way. Particularly with a Democratically controlled White House in the USofA. ITYM congress, but what does that have to do with a civil suit? snip I was referring to PSI asserting anti-trust. It is not that this would trump IBM's patent claims, but might mitigate them if IBM were making it too difficult to license. It would also cause IBM problems if they were to license the patents but IBM then refuses to allow z/OS (or z/VM or z/VSE) to run on other than IBM hardware. And then there is the history of having its hand slapped [IBM] for this behavior in the past. IBM would have an uphill battle in proving the anti-trust claim is invalid because of past problems in light of two new PCM wannabes that get stopped from expanding, after all the other competition to IBM's mainframe systems went away. But again, I am not a lawyer. I am only looking at this from a historical viewpoint. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Smith Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 3:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones SNIP Trade secrets are exactly what the name says. It's a secret, so it's not published anywhere. Patents, OTOH, are by definition published to provide constructive notice to the world. A patent applies to a implementation of a *process*, not to an idea. I believe that software is a written representation of an idea and not a process. It is the computer device that actually performs the process as directed by the software. I think extending the concept of implementation beyond physical hardware to the software was a mistake. SNIP And here we have the crux of the matter. If I write a set of programs that allows a call center operator to key in 3 pieces of information and then hit the enter key (1 click), and billing data, shipping, etc. is all put together and with no further human intervention the charge is made (if any), the address for delivery is printed on a label (or whatever), etc. and the item now arrives at your home, then haven't I done what Amazon (or whoever) claimed for a patent for one click? BUT, what I did was covered by TRADE SECRET in the mid-80s for a news paper company. It can't be pulled up and cited by the PTO as its already been done, patent denied. How about LLA? It was implemented on at least 1 S/370-158 that I know of in the LA basin under OS/MVS. Is it the next thing to be patented? Then there is the idea of putting multiple small files into a larger file to save disk space. So you get a patent for this. Anyone hear of PDS, PDS/E, or VSAM (which does this kind of thing with DOS), how about WINZIP? How about the software written for NASA to do this on UNIVAC systems under EXEC-8 (I wrote one). But M/S filed for such a patent. Patents for software have become WRONG. The longer I'm in this profession, the stronger this professional opinion is (not as a lawyer, but as a software developer). Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Shannon Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 5:05 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones How about LLA? It was implemented on at least 1 S/370-158 that I know of in the LA basin under OS/MVS. Is it the next thing to be patented? I can't speak to LLA, but VLF has been patented. I didn't think LLA existed in any form until MVS/XA. SNIP We had Linklist Look Aside at an employer's site in Pasadena CA before MVS/SE(1). The concepts for many of these things existed, or were already in use before IBM took the O/S OCO. We also had the ability to dynamically replace some LPA members, including SVCs (types 3 4) LONG before SVCUPDTE (again, MVS/370, pre MVS/SE). Another interesting thing: We had what today is called smart batch. We had a program called Driver and a few smart I/O routines. They were plugged together so that 90% of our I/O was buffer passing between programs running under the control of Driver. The S/370-158 we had generally glowed RED, ran at close to 100% all day long and provided our terminal users (we had our own terminal control system) with 2 Sec response times. So the new kids on the block think they are inventing stuff -- things that the mainframe crowd in some cases discarded. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: D U command for DASD
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 10:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: D U command for DASD Hello, Can anyone help me out with the command syntax for what I think is a D U command to display the details of DASD volumes including the control unit type. I have checked the z/OS commands manual and tied a number of thing but can't seem to hit on the proper syntax. Thanks. snip Would you actually be needing the IODF data via HCD? Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: OUTLIM aborts
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Brazee Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 10:55 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: OUTLIM aborts I have a proc where I wish to override an output: =20 //TEBC#1.REPORT2 DD OUTLIM=3D00500 =20 snip Try the following with a TYPRUN=SCAN on the JOB card to see if it gives you what you want: //TEBC#1.REPORT2 DD OUTLIM=0,SYSOUT=* The idea here is to prevent the S722 ABEND. It will not handle anything else. Also, if you are JES3 a new set of limits will be in effect (site limits as I recall). If you are JES2, then the JOBPARM card's limits will now control (but for the WHOLE JOB not just this DD). Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: D U command for DASD
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thompson, Steve (SCI TW) Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 11:00 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: D U command for DASD snip Would you actually be needing the IODF data via HCD? Later, Steve Thompson snip WOW! What a delay in posting. That was sent almost 3 hours ago! Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How recover from unrecoverable DCB ABEND?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 4:38 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How recover from unrecoverable DCB ABEND? Yes. Charles snip Off the top of my head, you may have to use your DCB ABEND exit to set a flag or two. The return and allow the code to ABEND. Meanwhile, you will need to have an ESTAE that will recognize the ABEND and RETRY at the address you decide on. You can then cleanly shutdown anything you need to, including doing CLOSE processing. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [OT] Merry xmas Chanukah
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 5:39 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [OT] Merry xmas Chanukah Galambos, Robert wrote: You forgot one language! 'Sign Language' ... Hmmm, don't know how you would sign on a discussion list, but ... :D snip Sign Language is not just one language (and you don't know how much I wished it was!). When I was helping some one with their sign language class while working in OH, their teacher asked where they got their California accent (I learned ASL, Pidgen, and Signed English all in California). It is difficult to discuss things with deaf from the British Isles because their signs are, well different. I know it existed, don't know if it still does, but Indians in the North American continent had their own sign language. My 1/2 cent's worth while having my first mug of coffee. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 10:39 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones SNIP Companies threaten each other all the time. That's how progress is made. :-) But anti-trust is a far cry from intellectual property protection. IMO, a company has every right to protect its patents, doesn't it? Anti-trust implies an *unfair* control of the market. It isn't clear to me that preventing patent infringement would be unfair. If that were the case, there would be no incentive to have patents in the first place. Licenses to them are bargaining chips in B2B relationships, whether exchanged for licenses to others' patents or for cash. The licensing of patents is part of IBM's business model. This is discussed in good detail in the 2005 Annual Report ( ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/annualreport/2005/2005_ibm_annual.pdf). As an IBM stockholder, I really do hope they don't allow someone else to duplicate or use patented technology for their financial benefit without compensation. If they derive a benefit, then so, too, should IBM. I expect the same of every company I invest in; *I* expect them to protect *my* investment. And if licensing the technology to someone else would hurt more than it would help, then I see no compelling reason to license it. SNIP I think the problem here is an understanding by some (right or wrong) that IBM is NOT licensing patents that apply to z/ARCHITECTURE. This is where an idea would come from of anti-trust or monopolizing the market. Some entities have felt that IBM is running away from the low end market, and could see where they could get business in that area that would possibly grow. Now if those customers grew in size (or in MIPS demand), those small processor providers could grow in MIPS supplied. In my view, it is IBM preventing this from happening is where the concern is. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Get around Double tape marks?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy White Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 11:18 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Get around Double tape marks? I tried BLP didn't make a difference with Ditto it still honored the double tape marks. Andy Internet: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] snip DITTO, as I recall, does its OWN I/O to the device. So it won't care about what you specified in the JCL (other than to get to the device). Meanwhile, if you use IEBGENER, and BLP, you can peal the data set off. Gone are the days when we updated tape files in place... I would have suggested that you write 8 bytes (or less) immediately after the tape mark (which would have been treated as a noise block upon read). Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick O'Keefe Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 2:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:06:53 -0600, Phil Sidler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sniP Sounds to me like you could now be sued for using the old technique of writing (E)STAE routines to emulate instructions not avalable on your model processor. Or maybe even macros that replace based instructions with relative instructions. Duplicate the behavior of an IBM instruction and you can get sued. snip I was just wondering, who owns/owned the patent that covered AMDAHL's FAM (Fast Assist Mode)? It was a quasi hardware/software system that allowed the Hypervisor (MDF) to recognize a PIC 1 at the DOMAIN (LPAR to IBM types) and pass that immediately to the emulated OPCODE table (which was a 2 level look up for the double byte op codes). But WAIT, isn't that how VM/370 handled things (PRE IEF/SIE)? So any patent there would have to have expired. And the idea of MACROs being used -- well, on the S/360-20 we had BAL and BALR macros that generated BAS and BASR (16 bit registers, no where to save the LINK data). That was done BEFORE software patents were allowed. It would be very interesting indeed to know what the patent(s) are IBM is claiming infringement on. And it will be VERY interesting to see what the US Supreme Court does with this patent challenge they are going to hear. Should they change the definition of obviousness... Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nigel Hadfield Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 12:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones It's difficult to see why they are suing, especially when they never sued PCMs in previous generations. Surely they could simply refuse to licence z/OS on the PSI machines. That would put PSI out of business just as quickly. Nigel SNIP The PCMs from a prior life all had to license patents from IBM and others. AMDAHL actually has/had patents that IBM had to as I recall. Then, I think, there were patents owned by NS (National Semi-Conductor), among others. However, when the last consent decree expired, and the EU requirement to divulge the interfaces expired, notice that AMDAHL HDS got out of the mainframe biz (funny how that all coincided with 64 bit based architecture). Now, the question is, is IBM using this to hold on to the mainframe market? If they are, then the argument of anti-trust may be considered by the courts. But being that I did not stay in whatever that hotel was, that I don't play a shark on TV or radio (or was that attorney?)... You get my drift. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: MB to Cyl Conversion
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 2:12 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: MB to Cyl Conversion Thompson, Steve , SCI TW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... -Original Message- snip Englisch tickt nicht Rechtig. Sorry, I don't know how to put that in Dutch (and I had to use Babel Fish to get close to the correct spelling). Regards, Steve Thompson Steve, I read it over and over, but can't make anything from it. It is not Dutch, it looks like German but isn't either, maybe it is South African which, I don't know. What would it be in English? Kees. - English (the language) ticks not rightly. It is a German idiom normally ascribed to an individual or group. Such as He ticks not rightly or They tick not rightly. My point was, English is a crazy language. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBMLink and EOS for z/OS 1.4
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 2:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: IBMLink and EOS for z/OS 1.4 snip Would anyone know if IBMLink will answer and ETR if it isn't version/release dependent? snip I have always gotten response to ETRs as long as what I was asking about was still in support. For instance, an SA/390 problem, not related to the O/S -- I would get answers to issues. Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: MB to Cyl Conversion
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: MB to Cyl Conversion snip Well, now you hit a topic on the head, that I, as non-English, never was able to understand, not get a feel for: why you say: the police *are* i.s.o. the police *is*... as we do and lots of other languages. Also: the firebrigade *are*? Why not then: the population are? And even more strange is Elvis Costello's text: Oliver's army *are* on their way, Oliver's army *is* here to stay. (Unless this is incorrect Enghlish of course). snip Englisch tickt nicht Rechtig. Sorry, I don't know how to put that in Dutch (and I had to use Babel Fish to get close to the correct spelling). Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Cancelling a job/tso user in a 100% CPU situation.
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Cancelling a job/tso user in a 100% CPU situation. This has come up here. We are in month-end. Our CPU resource is 100% pretty much constantly. And, even worse, with a CPU Queue Depth of over 20. We end up having problems cancelling TSO users and test batch jobs. The CANCEL is accepted, but the address space cannot get any CPU to actually terminate. snip What a co-inky-dink. I was just giving this situation some thought this morning. I used to have a utility routine that would do a CALLRTM and terminate a JOB/TASK with the Sxxx I desired. Seems that this is how RESOLVE did it back when I was at Droole Babble (as I recall it forced a S222). But, this then comes back to the question, under WLM, will the target JOB/Task get CPU to be terminated? I would think it does because the MVS CANCEL command handles this a bit differently if I remember correctly. Perhaps you could write the same and get it blessed? Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ISPF PF Key Mapping
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stocker, Herman Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:30 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ISPF PF Key Mapping The keylist that controls HELP are ISPHELP, ISPHLP2 ISPKYLST. If you change them it should correct your problem, or disable keylist. snip ISPHELP and ISPHLP2 show PF7 = UP PF8 = DOWN ISPKYLST apparently is not defined. However, from the application panel if I hit PF1 [HELP] the panel that is displayed is only scrollable by PF10/11! I just can't seem to figure out how that is happening. And since there is no command line in the help panel, I can't display the PFKeys being used (and I tried to put one in it). Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ISPF PF Key Mapping
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Brazee Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 11:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ISPF PF Key Mapping snip Does someone have a list of various places that we need to go to to change a key setting everyplace? snip RTP with a persuader to think TSO and not CMS. But then, ISPF was originally SPF which as we all know originated on VM. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ISPF PF Key Mapping
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Brazee Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 11:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ISPF PF Key Mapping On 30 Nov 2006 08:51:58 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thompson, Steve , SCI TW) wrote: However, from the application panel if I hit PF1 [HELP] the panel that is displayed is only scrollable by PF10/11! I just can't seem to figure out how that is happening. And since there is no command line in the help panel, I can't display the PFKeys being used (and I tried to put one in it). I have an option line displayed from within HELP, where I can enter KEYS and change F7 F8 to LEFT RIGHT (which is what you want). snip The problem is, this in house application is based on a program (not REXX or CLIST) and drives panels. The PF1 help invokes the help panel specified in the panel (standard operations). This help panel for some reason will not take a command line (I tried to put one in it). The program does not establish PFkeys. So I am baffled as to why the KEY list that works for all the other panels for this application, does not apply to the help panels provided by the application. None of the help panels specify a keylist that I can see. So this is why I asked about the manuals. This behavior has to be explained there somewhere, and so far I'm batting 0 at finding it. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ISPF PF Key Mapping
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 1:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ISPF PF Key Mapping snip Under help / tutorial the function key assignments are generally these: F1 / F13 HELP - to get help on how to use tutorial. F3 / F15 END - to end the tutorial. F3 / F15 EXIT - to end the tutorial. F7 / F19 UP or BACKWARD - to display a higher level list of topics. F8 / F20 DOWN or FORWARD - to go on to the next topic (skip). F10 / F22 LEFT - to display the previous page (back). F11 / F23 RIGHT- to display the next page, which is the same as pressing ENTER. In this mysterious application, are there keylists defined for the application's own applid? Keylists can be created outside a panel and then tied to one or more panels using the keylist operand of the panel definition, so setting keys would not be visible in the code that drives the displays. Can you check the panel definition to see if it has a )PANEL line that includes a KEYLIST(...) entry? Kind regards, -Steve Comstock snip Yeah, and I can't find any such. As far as I know, this application does not set keylists, define them, specify them, etc. What ever is currently in use is the one used. What I'm afraid of, is having to go into the backing ALC program and see if it somehow does this. In all the internal doc I've read, I don't see it. But, once a keylist has been defined, I should be able to see it when I display all the keylists, right? It can't magically disappear from the list (I even used split screen while in the new appl), can it? Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: MB to Cyl Conversion
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 5:15 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: MB to Cyl Conversion SAY 'THE NUMBER OF TRACKS IS' TRK UGH! Where's your grammar? Home. Baking cookies (or dropping them onto your PC). I can accept 'The number of tracks are'! Even for 1. I cannot accept 'IS'! I actually check for that exception when I SAY something. When in doubt. PANIC!! snip Is the subject number or tracks? Let's see, if we drop all but the subject... The number is 200. H. Number is single, is matches, so is is the correct verb. However, if the subject is of tracks... The of tracks are 1. H. The of causes a problem. Guess that means that of tracks is not the actual subject, but a prepositional phrase. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBMLink Internet access out to lunch again?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Black Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBMLink Internet access out to lunch again? I called the IBMLINK 800 number and got put thru to some wonk who was obviously working from a script. He asked me to start checking Internet Explorer option settings, although I clearly told him at the start that I use Mozilla Firefox. After a few minutes of this, I asked if he had logged on to IBMLINK to verify that it was a system problem, not a problem with my PC. Apparently this had not occurred to him!! He finally agreed that IBMLINK was down for everyone and gave me a problem number. Frustrating! snip Welcome to best practices. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [SPAM] DFDSS - DISASTER RECOVERY (RESTORE) QUESTION.
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Dawes Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 8:46 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: [SPAM] DFDSS - DISASTER RECOVERY (RESTORE) QUESTION. snip Is there anything else I should include? snip If your customer is using GDGs, they will need the crystal ball option. [However they must gen the current system with that feature, and it must be in use PRIOR to the D/R situation or test.] This is the only way you can get A.B.C(0) to correctly resolve at the D/R site with the current generation as of the time they want to restore (using incremental backup/restore). BTDT, and I had to walk all the analysts and managers through the problem before I got them to see the secondary disaster they were headed for. If you are NOT using GDGs, then this does not necessarily apply to you. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [SPAM] DFDSS - DISASTER RECOVERY (RESTORE) QUESTION.
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 12:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [SPAM] DFDSS - DISASTER RECOVERY (RESTORE) QUESTION. Crystal ball option? Steve, could you expand on that statement? = Perhaps provide a URL or Vendor name? snip I believe it was IBM with the OS/VR product they were working on. This had the ability, via a quantum something or other to tell you in advance... Ah yes, virtual reality... Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where can you get a Minor in Mainframe?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Seubert Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:36 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Where can you get a Minor in Mainframe? snip Take a look here: http://www-304.ibm.com/jct09002c/university/scholars/products/zseries/un iversities.html snip IBM is rejecting this, this AM with an error code of 400. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where can you get a Minor in Mainframe?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel A. McLaughlin Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Where can you get a Minor in Mainframe? Would my 17 year old child, who works on mainframes be a Minor in Mainframes? Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Where can you get a Minor in Mainframe?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Arnett Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Where can you get a Minor in Mainframe? What ever happened to the Virtual Universe Operating System that was announced back in the late 70s? Or did IBM keep that one for themselves? snip IEHPROPHET retired. IBM couldn't find a cheap replacement. Later, Steve Thompson Ps. I was just waiting for good Ole OS/VR or OS/VU to get mentioned. Still looking for a copy of those old announcements. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Inflating Severity
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Simpson Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:38 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Inflating Severity snip In one recent memorable case, the local rep actually called the support center on a 3-way call with me and asked for a duty manager. Support center said we couldn't talk to a duty manager unless the problem was Sev 1 and had no response for 2 hours. I said that was absolutely ridiculous; it wasn't a Sev 1 problem, but I wanted to talk to somebody about why there had been no action for months. Local rep said Fine, escalate it to Sev 1 and have a duty manager call us. Then it turned into a critsit and I was getting lots of calls from all kinds of folks about a problem that really wasn't that critical, but just needed a little more attention than it had been getting. (And I was told that the alleged policy about not being able to talk to a duty manager unless the problem was Sev 1 was BS and I should never have been told that). snip The question that needs to be asked/answered is: Did IBM's personnel recognize the root cause of this escalation which then resulted in a critsit and so do something to prevent it from happening again? One would hope that a positive result was obtained beyond just the immediate problem that you had which was being ignored. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: link to a real, working IBMLINK ?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel A. McLaughlin Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: link to a real, working IBMLINK ? I've been in and out of the manuals area several times today and have had 0 problems with the PDF stuff. Are you being limited at your site by the network settings? snip Not that I know of. However, I have reported to our help desk various problems having to do with connection issues. It was determined that I have insufficient memory (512MB) and so I was issued a new machine (1GB). I am not having connectivity issues with internal stuff now, just external things. Trust me, Rod Serling is alive and well in this building somewhere, or Allen Funt, or both. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: link to a real, working IBMLINK ?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Justice Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: link to a real, working IBMLINK ? Okay, so does anyone have a link to IBMLINK that is actually working this morning. snip https://www-304.ibm.com/usrsrvc/account/userservices/jsp/login.jsp?persi stPage=true Gets me immediately to a login page. My problem is, I can't seem to download manuals from Boulder (well, I couldn't yesterday when I shutdown). Seems they would get to maybe 50% and stall (PDF types, don't even suggest Book-Trashed versions -- I have a longer attention span than most managers, probably because at my age it takes longer to read the paragraphs). Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
IBMLINK Failures -- Attention of IBM Management
Suppose that for every time one needs to open an ETR, and IBMLINK is down, that you were to call the 800 number and make your problem a SEV1. Now further suppose that all IBM customers were to do this. How long would it take before the pain would be felt high enough that this would get fixed - permanently? This is only an idea for discussion, not to actually implement (at least at this time). Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBMLINK Failures -- Attention of IBM Management
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBMLINK Failures -- Attention of IBM Management snip As a discussion point, I'm not sure how reporting your Sev3, say, problem as Sev1 would do anything to get IBMLink up and running. The developers who get out of bed to deal with your Sev1 have no control or awareness of IBMLink, and the Support Center will handle the calls as usual. If you can open a PMR against IBMLink when it is down, do so (I have no idea if you can), or, if you think you are aren't getting sufficient value from the service because of downtime, then use the Feedback (when it finally comes back up). snip Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott snip Ok, here is the theory (from when I was contracted to IBM). Problems are tracked on the basis of severity. Departments are somewhat graded on how fast they manage [handle] problems, and the severity of the problems they get (COBOL shouldn't ever get a true SEV1, should it?). So, should the queues for COBOL, VTAM, CPCS or JESx (etc.) get skewed greatly, managers are going to take notice. Visibility of the issue will have happened, and instant survey results will have been gotten. But if the customer base waits for a survey to fill it out, how long will it be before the management of the web pages gets told to get their act together? In my opinion opening tickets at SEV2 does not solve the problem. But SEV1 gets that call back within 2 hours and the reduction in severity to where it should be (perhaps to SEV3?). IBM departmental managers might get unhappy, want to talk with your management, and when they [IBM] gets told, we are paying for support, and the support system is broken more than it is up... So, now you [personally] are in VM DEV. What would happen if such postings to IBM-MAIN (about IBMLINK not being functional) were sanitized and presented to your manager? Same for other IBMers that are lurking. I remember in the Branch days that there would have been a chat with some people about customer satisfaction and how every IBMer is a sales person. But this is just discussion. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBMLINK Failures -- Attention of IBM Management
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel A. McLaughlin Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBMLINK Failures -- Attention of IBM Management Nope, not the man behind the curtain. Think Exodus. snip Then it is a pillar of fire by night and a cloud by day. Later, Steve Thompson (wondering for 40 years now) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBMLINK Failures -- Attention of IBM Management
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick O'Keefe Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBMLINK Failures -- Attention of IBM Management snip I see 2 problems with this. snip You may get what you asked for rather than what you need. Pat O'Keefe snip Actually, we may have already gotten the attention needed. A few IBMers probably copying this thread and sending it to certain people w/in IBM. Those managers, hopefully, will see that the companies that PAY lotsa money for hardware, software and support are getting unhappy and their people [customers'] starting to discuss how to cause the pain to be on IBM's side. Well, at least I can hope that the message gets to where it needs to go. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Assembler question
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clark Morris Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Assembler question On 7 Nov 2006 10:34:33 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: snip Back in the 1980's or early 1990's, with the help of John Ehrman I submitted a number of requirements at SHARE, on of which was for optional flagging of all operand mismatches including length matches, LH of a fullword, etc. Even though they were all rejected at the time, many of them later made it into what became HLASM. Maybe it is my COBOL background but the idea that the operation and the data definition should match in most cases is one that the assembler should encourage. In regard to another thread, the awkwardness of coding reentrant code and the mediocre support for it means that for main programs, I don't bother. I do for exits and subroutines. snip I think what you are (or were) suggesting is strong typing for ALC (OK, I can hear it coming now, that's why we always did it in UPPER CASE and the like) and enforcement thereof. However, some of us have written code that makes use of nuances that would cease to (1) assemble correctly, and more importantly (2) not execute correctly. These nuances are not wrong or illegal, but made use of generation capability of the assembler and/or documented side effects of instructions. As an example, the idea of a LH against a fullword may be done because in some case it is known that only the high order nibbles of a fullword are valid for certain operations (logical or arithmetic). While you and I might say that this should have been done with ICM, or the fullword should have a secondary definition (using ORG perhaps), the code works correctly using LH (perhaps it even required the high-order bit propagation for negativity). If you were to add strong typing to the assembler with enforcement of typing, then that code will not assemble, or the assembler will presume that a Load was meant -- look-out! We could continue this with various instructions. And yes, I've made the rookie error of L instead of LA (and vice versa), MVC instead of MVI, etc. But you learn and you think in ALC -- COBOL code that I have written at times looked like someone trying to strangle the compiler to get what they wanted. But as I said in a prior posting, ALC is a low level language. So perhaps those of us that have programmed in it for years just think quite differently (I started on S/360 machines). Don't get me wrong, I am not interested in GATE/TEST coding -- Macrocode at Amdahl was close enough to the bare metal. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Assembler question
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Tsujimoto Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 9:15 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Assembler question Is *discontinuity in assembler design* a nice way of saying, it's a bad design? I would think a length of 1 and 0 are different, and MVC should perform accordingly, e.g. if length=0, do nothing. snip Since the length for MVC is 8 bits, L=0 means to move 1 byte (aka Machine length). Should you take that number negative, you would get FF which is 256 bytes (since byte 0 must be counted). And you can't not generate the D2llBDDDBDDD, because you are allowed to come back and modify the storage used by the MVC. You may also EXecute this instruction... Just remember, this is a LOW LEVEL language, not a mid/hi level language. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The PSI Letter V4
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nigel Hadfield Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 11:47 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The PSI Letter V4 snip ISTR there was a perception at that time that IBM could not legally refuse to license its software on whatever machine the customer wanted to use. (You could license it on a washing machine if you wanted to.). I guess this was related to the anti-trust nonsense. I don't suppose IBM always liked to admit quite how powerful Amdahl and Itel/NAS machines were, so PCM customers probably got a fair deal. But if that was the case, when and why did it change? snip Forgive me for rambling a bit (its Monday, and my interruptions are being interrupted), but some things I will mention might trigger some thoughts for/from some others specific to this subject. As I recall, AMDAHL had something called TIDA (Tech Info Disclosure Agreement) with or from IBM. And there was an EU issue where IBM had to disclose the interfaces to its machines at some office in Europe somewhere (I used to work for Amdahl, and I honestly don't know the particulars of this). In 1997 when IBM disclosed to certain parties that what we now know as z/ARCHITECTURE was coming, apparently AMDAHL and HDS realized that they were going to have a problem because the period of time that IBM had to do the disclosures in Europe was coming to an end. Well, Amdahl imploded. I don't know what happened to HDS or any of the other PCMs. But Amdahl had known, because of patent filings, the probable direction IBM was going to take in many cases (at least up through 1993). One example was ESA (which we referred to as Eat S**T Amdahl), where Amdahl guessed fairly correctly how IBM would implement it. But because Amdahl's management lost the vision of what Amdahl was and did... So, here you are (H/W MFG co), knowing IEF (SIE) and RMF plus a few other things that are not in the PoO or the related manuals (which names I've forgotten) that were issued publicly to disclose how this assist or that worked. And you see the disclosure windows closing. What do you do? As I said, Amdahl imploded (between 1989 and 1997 with all the layoffs, I don't know how many of the Macrocode developers were left...). As for the new machines (emulation based) that are out, I would assume that if they had some way of setting the CPU ID on the Motherboard, or via some special CE/FE only utility, then IBM might be interesting in talking. One of the other things being discussed has to do with who you gonna call when you have a problem? Well, IBM knew that the Amdahl systems were quite correct in the area of architecture (at least when I was there). If we found some inconsistency, we had to recreate it on an IBM box. If we could, and it seemed to not match the PoO (or equivalent manual), we got to write a letter, detailing a test (without disclosing what we were doing -- I really enjoyed writing hand loops that had to be entered through the console) and then ask what result we should have expected if what we got was incorrect. I can't tell you how many ECs (micro-code/firmware updates) from IBM resulted from Amdahl testing. As a result we got the idea that we were IBM's West Coast Beta Test Center. So, should any of these new companies doing emulation have access to the old Amdahl Architectural Testing Programs (e.g., DIRT, 8E7, Alpha), they would be able to prove rather quickly that they were compliant with S/390 Architecture. Now as for z/ARCHITECTURE... This would mean that the finger-pointing would get rather limited. If you can define the problem and IBM can recreate it on their platforms, then the problem is not your hardware is not compliant. [So what problems we did have had to do with proving that an interrupt (of a particular type) had been properly presented, or an I/O request had been properly handled, or that the service processor had provided the correct response to your B2xx instruction (or similar).] If the emulation machines get to this level then I think things would be at the level they were when there were several PCMs making IBM type mainframes. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CA CEO in the slammer
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Payne Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 12:58 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: CA CEO in the slammer Well, not yet. Many a slip twixt cup and lip: http://money.cnn.com/2006/11/02/news/newsmakers/kumar.reut/ NEW YORK (Reuters) -- Sanjay Kumar, the former chief executive of CA, was sentenced to 12 years in federal prison Thursday for his role in a $2.2 billion accounting fraud at the computer software company. snip His attorneys described him as one of the great minds of the software industry who turned Computer Associates into a thriving enterprise. Between he and Charlie, you would have been just as well off if you had taken your money and put it into CDs as to have invested it in CA. Words to that effect were used in at least two class actions suits (current ones) against CA for defrauding investors and employees (who took part in the different investment plans at CA). Too bad AP didn't do a bit more homework. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Comparison of TN3270 Clients
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:33 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Comparison of TN3270 Clients snip (By the way, does anybody else find Microsoft's use of the word Vista confusingly similar to Tom's product name?) Actually a certain judge in the North West USofA was ready to keel-haul Micro$**t over Windows. It was found that Windows is a GENERIC name and so it can't be perfected for a trademark. A certain company, Lindows, got shoved into an out of court settlement (in my opinion because of M/S filing nusance suits in the Netherlands and other places) so that M/S would not be seen to not own Windows after all. sarcasm So a problem with Vista? Nah, that could never be the case as M/S has all those lawyers to make sure that they don't infringe... /sarcasm Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMF JWT
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NAIDOO Raleigh (AXA-Tech-AU) Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: SMF JWT 1. The SMF JWT parm specifies the maximum amount of time that a job or TSO/E user address space is allowed to wait continuously specification . Does this include started tasks? If not what determines the S522 abend condition for started tasks. 2. We are considering changing the JWT from 10 minutes to 2 hours and I am interested in any experiences I should be aware of. snip Experience info: First off, depending on TSO usage (number of logons in a day), you will recover some portion of your system because users won't have to keep logging on, or running keep-alive code (CLIST or REXX). This will tend to increase productivity. All of this assumes that you do not already have an exit that recognizes a TSO session and resets the time-out just for TSO users (or the beloved group). Next, you may have to increase the USERMAX for TSO, as you may find that you now have more TSO users on at a time than you have allowed for. There may be a need for an equivalent adjustment in PARMLIB(IEASYSxx) MAXUSER (and associated parms). Lastly, it will take longer for things to time-out that are waiting for some event to occur (such as tape mounts). Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE in Tampa Florida, February 11-16, 2007
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex R. Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SHARE in Tampa Florida, February 11-16, 2007 snip Daniel McLaughlin of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 10/26/2006 12:16:20 PM: Z/OS 1.9 sounds like an innocent error. We should not be quick to zap if someone makes a faux pas. /snip Agreed. It seems like everybody is a bit edgy over the Shmuel/Phil flap. OK, everybody, slowly back away from your keyboards and take a deep breath! Remember, these are only jobs. SNIP OK, nobody uses the BPO in any coding for the rest of the day. (Backspace and then Punch Operator). Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
REFR -- Real Intent v. Actual Use?
I thought I'd get away from the original topic title. REFR as an attribute, does this also imply that the code is self-relocating so that if the code is reloaded at a different place, it is still able to continue execution (of the task in flight)? So PRE DAT days, this would be an overlay type program, right? But in DAT days where everything is V=V, just what is the purpose of REFR? What does it really accomplish over RENT I ask this because in reading the various postings, and IBM's stuff, I'm getting a little lost. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Why would Rexx Date/Time be different from ASCBEWST Date/Time?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lindy Mayfield Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 9:47 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Why would Rexx Date/Time be different from ASCBEWST Date/Time? Would anyone have an idea as to what would cause these times to be different? When I run the following Rexx exec, I get this: Time Zone.: -4.00 Rexx Date/Time: 10/25/06 10:38:31 Current EWST..: 10/25/2006 14:38:31.339265 But when someone in Australia runs it, he gets this: Time Zone.: 10.00 Rexx Date/Time: 10/25/06 08:50:16 Current EWST..: 10/24/2006 22:50:37.305285 The EWST time for the other computer is off by 21 seconds. Is there perhaps a problem in the exec or could there be some other cause for this? snip You need to pickup the CVT Leap Seconds Offset (CVTLSO). When an ETR is used, with GPS timing, there are leap seconds applied. If you do not use this adjustment, your timings will be off by the number of leap seconds (if I remember correctly, the current number of leap seconds is 22) compared to system time stamped messages. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Why would Rexx Date/Time be different from ASCBEWST Date/Time?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lindy Mayfield Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Why would Rexx Date/Time be different from ASCBEWST Date/Time? Very good point, Paul, thanks. That happened to creep in because I copied the code from an ISPF application... I've never heard of leap seconds! Leap years, but not leap seconds. Is this something with time zones in Australia? Lindy snip The earth's rate of spin is not constant and has slowed since 1900 (for our purposes). This results in leap seconds to allow for computing the precise location of orbital items that are not affected by the change in the spin speed of the earth. So, if you have an External Time Reference that is based on GPS timing, you have to have leap seconds to normalize UTC to GMT. Otherwise, your computer system will be 21 or 22 seconds (I've forgotten the current number) different from the rest of the world. Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Resume cover letters.
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Brazee Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 9:20 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Resume cover letters. snip So what would *you* name a bank? snip Nobody Cares, Nobody Bothers (NCNB, now BofA) Or The Dewey Screwem and Howe Bank and Trust (or was that a law firm?) Or Fleecers' Bank I can see that this one will go WAY off topic. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Quick I hope COBOL question
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clark Morris Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:17 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Quick I hope COBOL question On 9 Oct 2006 14:24:46 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: I know this isn't the COBOL list. I'm not a COBOL programmer, so it all works out. I'm writing a quick COBOL test program. I've got a PIC X(64) field but the actual length of the data in the field is in a separate S9(4) field. I want to display the real data and not whatever garbage might be beyond the real data. Is there any easy way to do this? DISPLAY Pic-X-64-field (1 : X-64-Actual-data-length). SNIP You might try something similar to the following: 05 PIC-VAR-MOVE REDEFINES PIC-X-64-FIELD. 07 FILLER PIC X OCCURS DEPENDING ON LENGTH-FIELD-S9. Change the group level (05) to match the same level as the PIC-X-64-FIELD. Then the LENGTH-FIELD-S9 becomes the name of the field having the length in it. Now this NEW group level, PIC-VAR-MOVE dynamically changes in size to match the size of the table you have defined. So a MOVE using this as the source will only move the number of bytes given by the length field. You might also want to modify this to say OCCURS 1 TO XX TIMES DEPENDING ON... to avoid an overflow condition. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Software Pricing
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 1:17 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Software Pricing You'd think IT was the name of a new religion instead of a business expense.) Do the math. Then do what makes sense based on the math. Whatever it turns out to be. Are you one of the 'fortunate', who has no political fight over what to include in the 'math'? I have given up on TCO arguments, because they are more political than technical. snip I have found that one is expected to protect the emperor and their new clothes. But in reality, what is it that one puts into the TCO comparisons? Does one include the personnel expenses and other soft expenses related? And while asking this, how does one discover, or uncover the HCO (Hidden Costs of Operation/Ownership) to avoid getting caught on the next project? Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Linkage Editor
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Zelden Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 2:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Linkage Editor On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:28:28 -0500, Mark Hammond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to all. One of my biggest frustrations is finding the right manual to get the information I need. z/OS is *HUGE* and no one can know nor remember everything. Just knowing where to look is at least half the battle. snip It doesn't help that certain people have to rename things: * to have better brand recognition * because we had to rebrand components * because some marketing types just have to change the name of xxx component and all the manuals associated * because some one just could not believe that the target audience would actually call a linkage editor manual something other than Binder \soap box Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: 2007 DST Changes
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 2007 DST Changes snip Alas, UNIX doesn't do leap seconds; forbidden by POSIX; always uses UTC. snip If it doesn't do leap seconds, then it must be GMT, right? Isn't UTC = GMT + LEAP_Seconds? I ask this because a few months ago I made changes to most of the MVS based code in a product to have it use IBM services and NOT STCK and then do arithmetic. We were finding that our time stamps were off by about 22 seconds (compared to what the system was doing with WTOs) where an ETR tied to GPS (they use UTC) was in use. Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Wars and Allies (was: The Fate of VM)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John H. Lang Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 1:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Wars and Allies (was: The Fate of VM) These days, most war (and lots of other evil) is perpetrated by the Righteous. snipage So while I understand what the phrase is trying to convey, it is wrong to say all righteous people cause war and do evil things. Righteous people can do good as well. snip Perhaps this saying might put things into proper perspective: Those of you who think you know it all really annoy the _ out of us who do. Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMP/E
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:17 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SMP/E Gibney, Dave wrote: Ok, I couldn't read such granularity in the syntax. It seemed all or nothing in the manual. My confusion. I had the same fear when I looked at the syntax. 'DEL MAC(macname)' looks like it's going to delete the MAC entry. And it will, unless you specify a subentry keyword. Then it just deletes the subentry. (Whew!) snip Thanks to our Exchange server, I have missed quite a bit of this (and I can't tell if I'm about to tell you something you have already discussed). Given that, might I suggest what we used to call the three step dance (which worked because where I was we had at least 3 components (FMIDs) to our installs). If you do not have a Primary and a dependent, then this probably won't work. At any rate the idea was to move the fouled element, and while doing that, correct its attributes so that things work correctly going forward. 1) Step one, you delete the element (via APAR or PTF) 2) Step two, you add the element under a different FMID (that is available to you) via PTF 3) Step three, you take it back over with a PTF from the original FMID At Step two, you change the information that you needed to change (options, etc.). At step three, it all comes back together. (At least that is the way I remember doing this at Droole Babble when we had a conflict and needed to fix it as painlessly as possible for customers). And all of this had to be done one step at a time (that is, you had to apply each PTF separately; they can't be done in a group). But it made it easy for customers to handle -- Because we also used HOLD ACTION to help them stay out of trouble. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
