Re: TSAF - Supported Links
TSAF's connections are rather old, it was well positioned at the 9370 and 9221 age with their integrated adapters, but nowadays If you can get a CTC connection between the systems, use an IFSC link, that's even simpler than TSAF: CP ACTIVATE ISLINK rdev on both sides, and you're done. BEWARE: SFS resource names (and alike) must be unique. Assure it is before you issue the ACTIVATE command, otherwise you're in trouble. Use Q RESOURCE to find all resource names; alls those that are not LOCAL must be unique. 2008/7/21 Fox Blue [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dear all, I have two z/VM running on different CPCs. They are joined in a CSE complex. The DASD is shared but spool not since I do not have VM/Pass Through facility. I want to connect now both systems via TSAF as I need to interconnect IUCV and SFS services. After reading the Connectivity Guide (GC24-6118-02) I found out that TSAF would be the right component for doing this. As far as I can understand the setting up of TSAF is quite straight forward. Nevertheless I would need some explanation about the IEEE 802.3 LAN subsystem on rack-mounted processors. This is in my opinion a quite vague description of a feature. What does it mean? Does that mean that the OSA Express2 adapters on my z990s are not supported for TSAF? Aside from CTCs and since I do not have VTAM, Token Ring and BSC stuff, the Ethernet link would be the easiest solution. I would need some confirmation on this. Thank you very much in advance. Best regards, Fox -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Re: TSAF - Supported Links
Hello Kris, Thanks for that information. I will have a look on ISFC. First, I have to get me some CTCs ;-) Best regards, Fox
Re: TSAF - Supported Links
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Florian Bilek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for that information. I will have a look on ISFC. First, I have to get me some CTCs ;-) For modern configurations, that takes just a foot of fiber to connect two spare chpids. Find an old gray haired person to talk about 3088 where the I/O configuration drawings even X for selected connection and o for broken ... A null modem for those with such heritage. And the neat thing is that our foot of fiber actually is 256 null modem cables. We don't do cross wires, so you configure one chpid as male and the other as female (the political correct term is CTC and CNC). PS A friend of mine used to say that RS232 stands for Recommended Soldering: 2 to 3, 3 to 2 Rob
Re: evaluation version of z/VM 5.3
Actually you can remove the media whenever you want since it loads the entire ramdisk into memory at IPL time. You just have to stick it back in there when you want to save your customizations or IPL again. -- Jay Brenneman
Re: TSAF - Supported Links
On Monday, 07/21/2008 at 02:57 EDT, Fox Blue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After reading the Connectivity Guide (GC24-6118-02) I found out that TSAF would be the right component for doing this. As far as I can understand the setting up of TSAF is quite straight forward. Nevertheless I would need some explanation about the IEEE 802.3 LAN subsystem on ?rack-mounted processors?. This is in my opinion a quite vague description of a feature. What does it mean? Does that mean that the OSA Express2 adapters on my z990s are not supported for TSAF? Oh, dear. I guess we need to clean that up. Our first error is letting you conclude that TSAF would be the right component without having alerted you to ISFC. We compounded it by describing hardware that no longer exists. To answer your question, the IBM ES/9221 and its predecessor, the IBM 9370, were rack-mounted machines with integrated network and terminal adapters, as well as having internal dasd. TSAF is still a wonderful alternative for connecting second level systems together or to a first level system since it can use virtual CTCs (ISFC cannot). However, TSAF cannot drive an OSA. If you would, please submit a Reader's Comment Form describing your confusion. (That is, send a note about it to mhvrcfs at us.ibm.com.) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
assume that the document SUSE Linux Enterprise Server Starter System Z' is an update to the SHARE handout. Is that the case? Nope. It's a completely separate document.
Re: Holding Console
Thanks for the replies. No, I'm not going into VM to muck around there, home mortage, college loans to pay...can afford to loose job. Well when OP1 (using PROP) is in hold mode then command submitted to the Operator from else where won't get executed until the hold is cleared. Get a message back saying something like there is console input waiting and nothing get thru until the hold is cleared. No longer important because we found a work around but still of interest. Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/18/2008 4:47 PM On Friday, 07/18/2008 at 03:48 EDT, Howard Rifkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of a way to tell if a users console is being held 'HOLDING' at the bottom right of the screen. I would like to find this out from an exec procedure. The general answer is no unless you are willing to risk looking in CP control blocks as Ronald suggests. Can you explain why this is important? Perhaps there is another solution to your problem that doesn't require knowing that information. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott _ LEGAL NOTICE Unless expressly stated otherwise, this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. Access to this E-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure or copying of the contents of this E-mail or any action taken (or not taken) in reliance on it is unauthorized and may be unlawful. If you are not an addressee, please inform the sender immediately, then delete this message and empty from your trash.
Re: Holding Console
On OP1: CP TERM HOLD OFF (turns of HOLDING and just uses ...MORE) And: CP TERM MORE 0 0 if you want the screen to clear immediately without a ...MORE Scott Rohling On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Howard Rifkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the replies. No, I'm not going into VM to muck around there, home mortage, college loans to pay...can afford to loose job. Well when OP1 (using PROP) is in hold mode then command submitted to the Operator from else where won't get executed until the hold is cleared. Get a message back saying something like there is console input waiting and nothing get thru until the hold is cleared. No longer important because we found a work around but still of interest. Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/18/2008 4:47 PM On Friday, 07/18/2008 at 03:48 EDT, Howard Rifkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of a way to tell if a users console is being held 'HOLDING' at the bottom right of the screen. I would like to find this out from an exec procedure. The general answer is no unless you are willing to risk looking in CP control blocks as Ronald suggests. Can you explain why this is important? Perhaps there is another solution to your problem that doesn't require knowing that information. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott _ LEGAL NOTICE Unless expressly stated otherwise, this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. Access to this E-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure or copying of the contents of this E-mail or any action taken (or not taken) in reliance on it is unauthorized and may be unlawful. If you are not an addressee, please inform the sender immediately, then delete this message and empty from your trash.
Re: Holding Console
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Howard Rifkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well when OP1 (using PROP) is in hold mode then command submitted to the Operator from else where won't get executed until the hold is cleared. Get a message back saying something like there is console input waiting and nothing get thru until the hold is cleared. But PROP should run disconnected and you must route the relevant messages to the logical operator. Then there may still be a problem that the logical operator fails to clear the screen and does not see new messages, but it does not prevent PROP from doing the right things. Rob
Re: Holding Console
Oh, but now you shed some extra light. You write: something like there is console input waiting This is not really related to TERM HOLD OFF or MORE x y It means someone sent a console command to the user, and the user didn't read it yet. In case of PROP it means CMS didn't read it yet, often a signal that CMS is really sick. Unless you use CP SEND and send consecutive commands too quickly. Do not code 'CP SEND xyz command1' 'CP SEND xyz command2' 'CP SEND xyz command3' But 'CP SEND xyz command1' 'CP SLEEP 1 SEC' 'CP SEND xyz command2' 'CP SLEEP 1 SEC' 'CP SEND xyz command3' Furthermore: to send commands to a PROP running user, one should not use CP SEND, but MESSAGE: CP M OPERATOR CMD command If memory serves well, the only command PROP accepts at its console is STOP. 2008/7/21 Howard Rifkind [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thanks for the replies. No, I'm not going into VM to muck around there, home mortage, college loans to pay...can afford to loose job. Well when OP1 (using PROP) is in hold mode then command submitted to the Operator from else where won't get executed until the hold is cleared. Get a message back saying something like there is console input waiting and nothing get thru until the hold is cleared. No longer important because we found a work around but still of interest. Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/18/2008 4:47 PM On Friday, 07/18/2008 at 03:48 EDT, Howard Rifkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of a way to tell if a users console is being held 'HOLDING' at the bottom right of the screen. I would like to find this out from an exec procedure. The general answer is no unless you are willing to risk looking in CP control blocks as Ronald suggests. Can you explain why this is important? Perhaps there is another solution to your problem that doesn't require knowing that information. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott _ LEGAL NOTICE Unless expressly stated otherwise, this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. Access to this E-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure or copying of the contents of this E-mail or any action taken (or not taken) in reliance on it is unauthorized and may be unlawful. If you are not an addressee, please inform the sender immediately, then delete this message and empty from your trash. -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Re: Holding Console
On Monday, 07/21/2008 at 11:11 EDT, Howard Rifkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the replies. No, I'm not going into VM to muck around there, home mortage, college loans to pay...can afford to loose job. Well when OP1 (using PROP) is in hold mode then command submitted to the Operator from else where won't get executed until the hold is cleared. Get a message back saying something like there is console input waiting and nothing get thru until the hold is cleared. No longer important because we found a work around but still of interest. This is a bit confusing, Howard. PROP is running in OPERATOR, started by OPERATOR's PROFILE EXEC and it should be running disconnected (in fact, that should be the setting in SYSTEM CONFIG). The logical operator should be OP1, logged on and monitored by wetware (people). And to issue commands to OPERATOR, use MSG, not SEND. You want OPERATOR to pick up the command and process it through the RTABLE. If you use SEND, it's like typing on the console and the only interesting command is STOP. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: Holding Console
On Monday, 07/21/2008 at 11:35 EDT, Kris Buelens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, but now you shed some extra light. You write: something like there is console input waiting This is not really related to TERM HOLD OFF or MORE x y It means someone sent a console command to the user, and the user didn't read it yet. In case of PROP it means CMS didn't read it yet, often a signal that CMS is really sick. Unless you use CP SEND and send consecutive commands too quickly. Do not code 'CP SEND xyz command1' 'CP SEND xyz command2' 'CP SEND xyz command3' But 'CP SEND xyz command1' 'CP SLEEP 1 SEC' 'CP SEND xyz command2' 'CP SLEEP 1 SEC' 'CP SEND xyz command3' This introduces a two problems, Kris. First, it takes a minimum of 2 seconds to issue those commands. What if you have 20 commands to issue? (You grow old waiting for the exec to run.) Second, you're assuming that the prior command will be read by the guest within 1 second. What if it isn't? Instead, you should react to RC=68 from the SEND. IF you get RC 68, then wait 1 second and try again. Feel free to do that several times. Or you may back off on the time. Wait 1 second, then 2, then 4, If the SEND doesn't work within a reasonable amount of time then abandon the sequence and declare defeat. But this way the exec will run as quickly as possible, yet be tolerant of a sluggish guest. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: CMS REXX eMAIL
Cheech and Chong in their first (eponymous) album (1971), routine Still Waiting for Dave. You mainframers! Just ask a Unix guy when you have questions like this, Adam Thornton wrote: On Jul 18, 2008, at 12:37 PM, Macioce, Larry wrote: Alan, with your reply of I'm not Dave, but Daves not here man Someone name that album Can't stop and look for it now, man, because I can't find my bong. Adam -- Jack J. Woehr# Self-delusion is http://www.well.com/~jax # half the battle! http://www.softwoehr.com # - Zippy the Pinhead
Re: Holding Console
I know Alan (as you probably know), but I wanted to keep things simple. Now my turn to throw stones (or pebbles) - ain't it about time CP SLEEP allows shorter periods than 1 second? (PIPE DELAY can be used to sleep shorter) - CP SEND uses the same RC to signal almost all problems it can get - So scanning the message text then ? HELP CP SEND (ERRORS doesn't even tell which errrors can cause RC 68 here's a list from one of my execs (but there might be more) RECEIVER IS NOT DISCONNECTED RECEIVER HAS NOT AUTHORIZED SENDER RECEIVER HAS NO VIRTUAL CONSOLE RECEIVER HAS CONSOLE INPUT WAITING And, I think chances are high that one needs a short while anyhow: when I issue CP SEND, CP has to dispatch the target machine so it can eat the command just sent before my user sends the next command. Is CP SEND that clever? 2008/7/21 Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Monday, 07/21/2008 at 11:35 EDT, Kris Buelens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, but now you shed some extra light. You write: something like there is console input waiting This is not really related to TERM HOLD OFF or MORE x y It means someone sent a console command to the user, and the user didn't read it yet. In case of PROP it means CMS didn't read it yet, often a signal that CMS is really sick. Unless you use CP SEND and send consecutive commands too quickly. Do not code 'CP SEND xyz command1' 'CP SEND xyz command2' 'CP SEND xyz command3' But 'CP SEND xyz command1' 'CP SLEEP 1 SEC' 'CP SEND xyz command2' 'CP SLEEP 1 SEC' 'CP SEND xyz command3' This introduces a two problems, Kris. First, it takes a minimum of 2 seconds to issue those commands. What if you have 20 commands to issue? (You grow old waiting for the exec to run.) Second, you're assuming that the prior command will be read by the guest within 1 second. What if it isn't? Instead, you should react to RC=68 from the SEND. IF you get RC 68, then wait 1 second and try again. Feel free to do that several times. Or you may back off on the time. Wait 1 second, then 2, then 4, If the SEND doesn't work within a reasonable amount of time then abandon the sequence and declare defeat. But this way the exec will run as quickly as possible, yet be tolerant of a sluggish guest. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
We have a one year contract with Novell until May 2009. They gave us a unique activation code. They told me to download the CD1-CD2 disks from their site. Can I use the SUSE Linux Enterprise Server Starter System for System z to install it? I'm confused... Thanks, Alyce -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 7:41 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z assume that the document SUSE Linux Enterprise Server Starter System Z' is an update to the SHARE handout. Is that the case? Nope. It's a completely separate document.
Re: Holding Console
On Monday, 07/21/2008 at 12:36 EDT, Kris Buelens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know Alan (as you probably know), but I wanted to keep things simple. Now my turn to throw stones (or pebbles) - ain't it about time CP SLEEP allows shorter periods than 1 second? (PIPE DELAY can be used to sleep shorter) Since PIPE DELAY can sleep for a shorter time, why update SLEEP? Remember, too, that SLEEP stops the virtual machine. Interrupt handlers won't run. Nothing. So, particularly if you have something like WAKEUP trapping messages, SLEEP is a bad idea (however convenient). - CP SEND uses the same RC to signal almost all problems it can get - So scanning the message text then ? Yes. That's unfortunate, but that's the way it is and I don't expect it will change. HELP CP SEND (ERRORS doesn't even tell which errrors can cause RC 68 here's a list from one of my execs (but there might be more) RECEIVER IS NOT DISCONNECTED RECEIVER HAS NOT AUTHORIZED SENDER RECEIVER HAS NO VIRTUAL CONSOLE RECEIVER HAS CONSOLE INPUT WAITING I see them on my system. And, I think chances are high that one needs a short while anyhow: when I issue CP SEND, CP has to dispatch the target machine so it can eat the command just sent before my user sends the next command. Is CP SEND that clever? There is actually a lot of time between commands. Remember, the thing that finishes fast is the DIAGNOSE 8. You still have to go through the return logic to the exec, interpret the next phrase, call the CMS command interpreter, and execute the next DIAGNOSE 8. That is plenty of time for the other guest to run. When your guest issues a DIAGNOSE, it comes to a stop. To get you restarted again, you have to be scheduled and dispatched yourself. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: downloading CMS files
I think the free version of WS-FTP is only free for non-commercial use. There are plenty of freeware FTP tools for the desktop. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Greenberg Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 12:19 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: downloading CMS files On: Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 06:50:36AM -0700,Wakser, David Wrote: } If VM is running FTP, then use an FTP client (like WS-FTP). There are } plenty available for little or nothing. I agree about using FTP, but no need to install WS_FTP for a one time thing. If you are using windows, there is a built in linemode FTP client. Open a cmd window and say ftp your.vm.node, sign in, mget * exec. Preceed the mget with a cd to the mdisk/directory if the files are not on your A disk. Once you get ftp open, a help command will give a list of commands. help commandname will give a bit more. I don't know if there is an FTP client in macs. On the other hand, if you are going to do a moderate (FSVO moderate) amount of FTP, WS_FTP le is free and a good choice. More than moderate, spend the bux and get WS_FTP Pro. -- Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 239 543 1353 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val, Red, Shasta Casey (RIP), Red Zero, Siberians Owner:Chinook-L Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
We have a one year contract with Novell until May 2009. They gave us a unique activation code. They told me to download the CD1-CD2 disks from their site. Can I use the SUSE Linux Enterprise Server Starter System for System z to install it? I'm confused... Maybe this will help: The starter system is a prebuilt installation server that you use to create other virtual machines - it contains the disk1 and disk2 images plus a copy of SLES configured to act as a NFS/HTTP/SMB/FTP server to make that data available. It's the functional equivalent of downloading the CD media, setting up a server to provide access to the media, and configuring all the software you need to provide access to the media -- condensed into the single step of downloading the starter system and installing it. You use the installation server as the source to create new virtual machines. Machines that are created from the installation server get the activation codes, because once they're installed, they interact directly with the Novell servers to get updates, etc (unless you set up a local service mirror), and thus need to identify themselves as valid recipients. So, to answer your question -- yes, use the starter system to install a new guest, and when prompted, give it the activation code you got from Novell, and the end product is exactly the same as if you had downloaded the media, found someone to serve it up to you over the network, transferred the boot files, made a boot image, booted SLES from reader or tape, and answered the prompts. You just save a bunch of steps, you don't have to convince anyone to stick a CD or DVD in their machine for two or three hours, and get your virtual machines installed at memory-to-memory speeds instead of just Ethernet speed. All you do is create the new VM userid, LINK NOVSTART 19F 19F RR, ACCESS 19F R, and type SLES. From that point on, you're in the normal SLES installer.
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:58 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Austin, Alyce (CIV) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have a one year contract with Novell until May 2009. They gave us a unique activation code. They told me to download the CD1-CD2 disks from their site. Can I use the SUSE Linux Enterprise Server Starter System for System z to install it? If you install the starter system, you don't need any other form of installation media to create your new Linux guests. Novell isn't going to do away with the normal installation method. For one thing, not all of our customers have z/VM. For those that do, not all of them need the starter system. So, the stereotypical method of installing will likely always be available: - Download the DVD (or multiple CDs) - Find a system somewhere to host the files on the DVD - Get network access from the mainframe to the system hosting the files - Install your first Linux system from the system hosting the files. For those that don't already have an installation server set up, have z/VM available, and want to short-cut the process, there's the starter system. Mark Post
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
Thanks, David...for clearing it up for me. I'm no longer confused!! Alyce -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:13 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z We have a one year contract with Novell until May 2009. They gave us a unique activation code. They told me to download the CD1-CD2 disks from their site. Can I use the SUSE Linux Enterprise Server Starter System for System z to install it? I'm confused... Maybe this will help: The starter system is a prebuilt installation server that you use to create other virtual machines - it contains the disk1 and disk2 images plus a copy of SLES configured to act as a NFS/HTTP/SMB/FTP server to make that data available. It's the functional equivalent of downloading the CD media, setting up a server to provide access to the media, and configuring all the software you need to provide access to the media -- condensed into the single step of downloading the starter system and installing it. You use the installation server as the source to create new virtual machines. Machines that are created from the installation server get the activation codes, because once they're installed, they interact directly with the Novell servers to get updates, etc (unless you set up a local service mirror), and thus need to identify themselves as valid recipients. So, to answer your question -- yes, use the starter system to install a new guest, and when prompted, give it the activation code you got from Novell, and the end product is exactly the same as if you had downloaded the media, found someone to serve it up to you over the network, transferred the boot files, made a boot image, booted SLES from reader or tape, and answered the prompts. You just save a bunch of steps, you don't have to convince anyone to stick a CD or DVD in their machine for two or three hours, and get your virtual machines installed at memory-to-memory speeds instead of just Ethernet speed. All you do is create the new VM userid, LINK NOVSTART 19F 19F RR, ACCESS 19F R, and type SLES. From that point on, you're in the normal SLES installer.
Re: Holding Console
Though we already concluded the OP was on the wrong track, it is not hard to write a pipeline stage that retries the CP SEND command a few times with minimal delay when the recipient is in CF. But since you don't get the output, it is not really suitable for reliable communication. Rob
TCPIP PCOMM 658 Code
I was happy to see that others are using PCOMM so perhaps someone will be able to figure out my plight. I use the OS/2 flavor (4.21) and promptly each Saturday, my console and any other open sessions running VM go blank and there is a 658 code on the bottom of the frame of each open session. I don't think that there is anything special about Saturdays. No one is even working. I believe it has something to do with having to reboot the system every Monday to get the sessions back. So, something "fills up" or breaks 6 daysafter rebooting OS/2 and VM. When I was finally able to find out what a 658 code meant, it said that it was the session(s) attempting to initializethe TCPIP connection to the hardware management console. This makes sense as while VM is booting I notice that the sessions beep and display the VM logo around the same time as TCPIP is brought up. The actual error that I get is VMYIOD041T Permanent I/O error on console, SCSW=0009. This problem plagues all four of my IBM servers which are, obviously, all configured exactly alike. Thanks in advance for any insight anyone may have. Karl Severson IBM System Administrator Raytheon Company El Segundo, California
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
Does anybody have this working yet?
Re: TCPIP PCOMM 658 Code
Since when does a mainframe 'boot'? On VM, CP does an IPL. Phil Parmelee IBM Global Services VM/VSE Team Harrisburg, PA 717-526-1250 T/L 239-1250 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
On Jul 21, 2008, at 1:27 PM, Quay, Jonathan (IHG) wrote: Does anybody have this working yet? Yeah, I do. What, specifically, is the problem you're having? Adam
Re: TCPIP PCOMM 658 Code
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 2:35 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phillip Parmelee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since when does a mainframe 'boot'? On VM, CP does an IPL. Since at least 1999, and probably before, in the IBM lab in Boeblingen. Some reason you feel the need to be so picky about terminology, when both terms are commonly used to mean the same thing? Mark Post
Re: TCPIP PCOMM 658 Code
On Monday, 07/21/2008 at 02:14 EDT, Karl J Severson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was happy to see that others are using PCOMM so perhaps someone will be able to figure out my plight. I use the OS/2 flavor (4.21) and promptly each Saturday, my console and any other open sessions running VM go blank and there is a 658 code on the bottom of the frame of each open session. I don't think that there is anything special about Saturdays. No one is even working. I believe it has something to do with having to reboot the system every Monday to get the sessions back. So, something fills up or breaks 6 days after rebooting OS/2 and VM. When I was finally able to find out what a 658 code meant, it said that it was the session(s) attempting to initialize the TCPIP connection to the hardware management console. This makes sense as while VM is booting I notice that the sessions beep and display the VM logo around the same time as TCPIP is brought up. The actual error that I get is VMYIOD041T Permanent I/O error on console, SCSW=0009. This problem plagues all four of my IBM servers which are, obviously, all configured exactly alike. Thanks in advance for any insight anyone may have. I would guess that every weekend a firewall is rebooted. I don't understand about reboot the system every Monday to get the sessions back. Reboot what system? PCOMM will only try to reconnect if it receives a disconnect. And that will only happen (assuming you don't shutdown TCPIP on VM) if something between your workstation and VM causes it to happen. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: TCPIP PCOMM 658 Code
Perhaps we also need to rename the bootstrap record to the IPL record? -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:44 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: TCPIP PCOMM 658 Code On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 2:35 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phillip Parmelee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since when does a mainframe 'boot'? On VM, CP does an IPL. Since at least 1999, and probably before, in the IBM lab in Boeblingen. Some reason you feel the need to be so picky about terminology, when both terms are commonly used to mean the same thing? Mark Post
A First!
IBM BREAKS NEW GROUND. NEW RELEASE OF AN OPERATING SYSTEM ACTUALLY SMALLER THAN PREDECESSOR. I just built a 5.3 system with the VSSI products included and was shocked when the CPLOAD MODULE turned out to be significantly smaller that the one for 5.2.0. This is a first, a system that actually decreased in size when a new release was built. When I recovered from the initial shock, I checked some other 5.3 systems that do not have the VSSI products and found that they were slightly smaller than the one I just created, which is entirely withing expectations. Regards, Richard Schuh
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
I fixed it. I had reallocated the 150 disk to a different starting cyl, and LVM didn't like it. Mark fixed me up. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Thornton Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:41 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z On Jul 21, 2008, at 1:27 PM, Quay, Jonathan (IHG) wrote: Does anybody have this working yet? Yeah, I do. What, specifically, is the problem you're having? Adam
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
On Jul 21, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Quay, Jonathan (IHG) wrote: I fixed it. I had reallocated the 150 disk to a different starting cyl, and LVM didn't like it. Mark fixed me up. OK. Different starting cyl shouldn't matter, but the size *does*. Too big is as bad as too small. This sounds way dirtier than I meant it to, and it's only Monday. Adam
Size of SFS control backup
I was rather surprised to see my disk for the control backup of the filepool fill up. I understand the backup file can only be as large as half of the disk. But my log disks are 20 cyls, and the backup disk is 100 cyls. So that should fit, no? -Rob
Re: Size of SFS control backup
Your disk can fill up. The Control Data Backup is started when the disk is 80% full. Concurrent access is allowed while the backup is running; however, if activity causes it to reach the 95% level, all LUWs are suspended. That is why having a separate monitor that kicks off the backup at a lower level is desirable. Having the activity suspended affects ever user that is actively using SFS. The documentation also says that backing up to a different filepool instead of to dasd or tape will cause less interference with the users. It will take longer, but the users will not be affected as much. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob van der Heij Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 1:03 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Size of SFS control backup I was rather surprised to see my disk for the control backup of the filepool fill up. I understand the backup file can only be as large as half of the disk. But my log disks are 20 cyls, and the backup disk is 100 cyls. So that should fit, no? -Rob
Re: Size of SFS control backup
The control data backup is a backup of storage group 1, plus the control minidisk, and the POOLDEF file. Its size is not related at all to the size of the log files. The log file size merely defines how often a control data backup is taken. 2008/7/21 Schuh, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Your disk can fill up. The Control Data Backup is started when the disk is 80% full. Concurrent access is allowed while the backup is running; however, if activity causes it to reach the 95% level, all LUWs are suspended. That is why having a separate monitor that kicks off the backup at a lower level is desirable. Having the activity suspended affects ever user that is actively using SFS. The documentation also says that backing up to a different filepool instead of to dasd or tape will cause less interference with the users. It will take longer, but the users will not be affected as much. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob van der Heij Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 1:03 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Size of SFS control backup I was rather surprised to see my disk for the control backup of the filepool fill up. I understand the backup file can only be as large as half of the disk. But my log disks are 20 cyls, and the backup disk is 100 cyls. So that should fit, no? -Rob -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Re: TCPIP PCOMM 658 Code
WHen you have to explain the procedure to management that doesn't underst and an 'Initial Program Load' and doesn't know that we once had to toggle in a 'bootstrap' program into the Play Computers of decades ago. /Tom Kern On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:35:25 -0400, Phillip Parmelee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since when does a mainframe 'boot'? On VM, CP does an IPL. Phil Parmelee IBM Global Services VM/VSE Team Harrisburg, PA 717-526-1250 T/L 239-1250 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Size of SFS control backup
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Kris Buelens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The control data backup is a backup of storage group 1, plus the control minidisk, and the POOLDEF file. Its size is not related at all to the size of the log files. The log file size merely defines how often a control data backup is taken. Thanks! That explains why I filled it up and how big it should be. Did I miss it, or is it really not in book? -Rob
Re: Size of SFS control backup
I'd say it is in the book. We used to have an automatic, daily, check. You only need the space of what is actually used in storage group 1, i.e. not how big storage group 1 is defined. 2008/7/21 Rob van der Heij [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Kris Buelens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The control data backup is a backup of storage group 1, plus the control minidisk, and the POOLDEF file. Its size is not related at all to the size of the log files. The log file size merely defines how often a control data backup is taken. Thanks! That explains why I filled it up and how big it should be. Did I miss it, or is it really not in book? -Rob -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Re: Size of SFS control backup
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Kris Buelens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd say it is in the book. We used to have an automatic, daily, check. You only need the space of what is actually used in storage group 1, i.e. not how big storage group 1 is defined. Yeah, until someone does a lot of changes and grows the storage group 1 a lot and filled up the log. Rob
Re: Size of SFS control backup
Things do seem to grow by leaps and bounds rather than following a nice, smooth, predictable curve. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob van der Heij Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:04 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Size of SFS control backup On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Kris Buelens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd say it is in the book. We used to have an automatic, daily, check. You only need the space of what is actually used in storage group 1, i.e. not how big storage group 1 is defined. Yeah, until someone does a lot of changes and grows the storage group 1 a lot and filled up the log. Rob
Re: Size of SFS control backup
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Schuh, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: affects ever user that is actively using SFS. The documentation also says that backing up to a different filepool instead of to dasd or tape will cause less interference with the users. It will take longer, but the users will not be affected as much. The problem with that is if you have to recycle that filepool with the control backups, the access will be gone and the control backup fails. And I believe that unless you poke in the SFS server, you can't re-access that other than STOP NOBACKUP and restart? -Rob
Re: Size of SFS control backup
There appear to be gotchas everywhere. That would be worse than the LUW suspensions. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob van der Heij Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 3:02 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Size of SFS control backup On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Schuh, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: affects ever user that is actively using SFS. The documentation also says that backing up to a different filepool instead of to dasd or tape will cause less interference with the users. It will take longer, but the users will not be affected as much. The problem with that is if you have to recycle that filepool with the control backups, the access will be gone and the control backup fails. And I believe that unless you poke in the SFS server, you can't re-access that other than STOP NOBACKUP and restart? -Rob
Re: TCPIP PCOMM 658 Code
-The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote: -To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDUFrom: Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDUDate: 07/21/2008 11:45AMSubject: Re: TCPIP PCOMM 658 CodeI would guess that every weekend a firewall is rebooted. I don't understand about "reboot the system every Monday to get the sessions back". Reboot what system?PCOMM will only try to reconnect if it receives a disconnect. And that will only happen (assuming you don't shutdown TCPIP on VM) if something between your workstation and VM causes it to happen.Alan Altmarkz/VM DevelopmentIBM EndicottI guess I should have mentioned what servers I have. I have four 3006 Integrated Servers (P/390s) which run OS/2 and VM. By sessions I mean the PCOMM 3270 console screens which display VM:Operator and which can be used to log on to other VM accounts. The icons on the desktop call them Local P/390 Sessions or P/390 WS. By rebooting the system I mean that on each 3006 I have to end the P/390 session which crashes VM as I have no console to shut VM down nicely. I then start the P/390 software which brings up VM and all of the PCOMM 3270 sessions. I guess you'd have to be familiar with the P/390 to be able to picture what I'm describing but hopefully I'm giving you enough information to do so. As far as a firewall is concerned, this happens even if the system isn't hooked up to a network.Karl Severson - Raytheon Company
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Re: evaluation version of z/VM 5.3
Someone mentioned the DVD drive being tied up during the entire VM session. This made me think of something. I have heard that the newer HMCs run Linux (is this true?). If so, couldn't you make an image copy of the DVD on the hard drive, and then mount that image rather than using the physical drive, if you don't want it tied up? (Not that I understand what *other* use it may have at that time, do you watch movies at your HMC) ;-) Shimon
Re: TCPIP PCOMM 658 Code
On Monday, 07/21/2008 at 10:16 EDT, Karl J Severson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess I should have mentioned what servers I have. I have four 3006 Integrated Servers (P/390s) which run OS/2 and VM. By sessions I mean the PCOMM 3270 console screens which display VM:Operator and which can be used to log on to other VM accounts. The icons on the desktop call them Local P/390 Sessions or P/390 WS. By rebooting the system I mean that on each 3006 I have to end the P/390 session which crashes VM as I have no console to shut VM down nicely. I then start the P/390 software which brings up VM and all of the PCOMM 3270 sessions. I guess you'd have to be familiar with the P/390 to be able to picture what I'm describing but hopefully I'm giving you enough information to do so. As far as a firewall is concerned, this happens even if the system isn't hooked up to a network. Sorry, I can't help you. Others here are far more familiar with the day-to-day operation of the Integrated Server. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: evaluation version of z/VM 5.3
On Tuesday, 07/22/2008 at 12:31 EDT, Shimon Lebowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone mentioned the DVD drive being tied up during the entire VM session. This made me think of something. I have heard that the newer HMCs run Linux (is this true?). If so, couldn't you make an image copy of the DVD on the hard drive, and then mount that image rather than using the physical drive, if you don't want it tied up? (Not that I understand what *other* use it may have at that time, do you watch movies at your HMC) ;-) Yes, the newer HMCs run Linux, but it is an appliance. There is no interface for you to copy stuff to the hard drive. It wouldn't do you any good anyway, since when the LPAR asks for the DVD drive, it gets the DVD drive, not something else. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
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