Re: IBMLINK
On 02/25/10 08:36, Frank M. Ramaekers wrote: No problems here (via IE nor Firefox). Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. I didn't have the problem yesterday but after I restarted Firefox today I'm seeing the same problem as Bobby Bauer reported yesterday. Mark Jacobs -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Bauer, Bobby (NIH/CIT) [E] Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 6:18 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: IBMLINK Typed in www.ibm.com/ibmlink this morning and it is now https://www-304bluecoat.ibm.com with a certificate that Firefox doesn't trust. Anybody else seeing this? Bobby Bauer Center for Information Technology National Institutes of Health Bethesda, MD 20892-5628 301-594-7474 _ This message contains information which is privileged and confidential and is solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this in error, please destroy it immediately and notify us at privacy...@ailife.com. -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL I never make stupid mistake, only very, very clever ones. Doctor Who
Re: IBMLINK
I've seen this problem before on other IBM sites when I use FF. Looked like the admins had been copying certificates between machines without really understanding them. And apparently using IE, which doesn't (didn't?) bother to check. I reported it but got a huh? type response, so gave up. i -- Original Message -- Received: 09:09 AM COT, 02/26/2010 From: Mark Jacobs mark.jac...@custserv.com To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBMLINK On 02/25/10 08:36, Frank M. Ramaekers wrote: No problems here (via IE nor Firefox). Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. I didn't have the problem yesterday but after I restarted Firefox today I'm seeing the same problem as Bobby Bauer reported yesterday. Mark Jacobs -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Bauer, Bobby (NIH/CIT) [E] Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 6:18 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: IBMLINK Typed in www.ibm.com/ibmlink this morning and it is now https://www-304bluecoat.ibm.com with a certificate that Firefox doesn't trust. Anybody else seeing this? Bobby Bauer Center for Information Technology National Institutes of Health Bethesda, MD 20892-5628 301-594-7474 _ This message contains information which is privileged and confidential and is solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this in error, please destroy it immediately and notify us at privacy...@ailife.com. -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL I never make stupid mistake, only very, very clever ones. Doctor Who
Re: IBMLINK
On 02/26/10 09:52, Ian S. Worthington wrote: I've seen this problem before on other IBM sites when I use FF. Looked like the admins had been copying certificates between machines without really understanding them. And apparently using IE, which doesn't (didn't?) bother to check. I reported it but got a huh? type response, so gave up. i I opened up a ticket with IBMLINK support also. No response yet. Mark Jacobs -- Original Message -- Received: 09:09 AM COT, 02/26/2010 From: Mark Jacobsmark.jac...@custserv.com To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBMLINK On 02/25/10 08:36, Frank M. Ramaekers wrote: No problems here (via IE nor Firefox). Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. I didn't have the problem yesterday but after I restarted Firefox today I'm seeing the same problem as Bobby Bauer reported yesterday. Mark Jacobs -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Bauer, Bobby (NIH/CIT) [E] Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 6:18 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: IBMLINK Typed in www.ibm.com/ibmlink this morning and it is now https://www-304bluecoat.ibm.com with a certificate that Firefox doesn't trust. Anybody else seeing this? Bobby Bauer Center for Information Technology National Institutes of Health Bethesda, MD 20892-5628 301-594-7474 _ This message contains information which is privileged and confidential and is solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this in error, please destroy it immediately and notify us at privacy...@ailife.com. -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL I never make stupid mistake, only very, very clever ones. Doctor Who -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL I never make stupid mistake, only very, very clever ones. Doctor Who
IBMLINK
Typed in www.ibm.com/ibmlink this morning and it is now https://www-304bluecoat.ibm.com with a certificate that Firefox doesn't trust. Anybody else seeing this? Bobby Bauer Center for Information Technology National Institutes of Health Bethesda, MD 20892-5628 301-594-7474
Re: IBMLINK
On 02/25/10 07:18, Bauer, Bobby (NIH/CIT) [E] wrote: Typed in www.ibm.com/ibmlink this morning and it is now https://www-304bluecoat.ibm.com with a certificate that Firefox doesn't trust. Anybody else seeing this? Bobby Bauer Center for Information Technology National Institutes of Health Bethesda, MD 20892-5628 301-594-7474 I'm going to the same site as you(www.ibm.com/ibmlink) which then redirects me to https://www-304.ibm.com/... I don't know where the bluecoat comes from in your redirection. -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL I never make stupid mistake, only very, very clever ones. Doctor Who
Re: IBMLINK
same-same. I open www.ibm.com/ibmlink, which forwards me to www-304.ibm.com/ ... blahblahblah. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs Sent: Thursday, 25 February, 2010 07:27 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBMLINK On 02/25/10 07:18, Bauer, Bobby (NIH/CIT) [E] wrote: Typed in www.ibm.com/ibmlink this morning and it is now https://www-304bluecoat.ibm.com with a certificate that Firefox doesn't trust. Anybody else seeing this? Bobby Bauer Center for Information Technology National Institutes of Health Bethesda, MD 20892-5628 301-594-7474 I'm going to the same site as you(www.ibm.com/ibmlink) which then redirects me to https://www-304.ibm.com/... I don't know where the bluecoat comes from in your redirection. -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL I never make stupid mistake, only very, very clever ones. Doctor Who
Re: IBMLINK
Very strange, I shutdown my browser and tried again. Looks normal now. Bobby Bauer Center for Information Technology National Institutes of Health Bethesda, MD 20892-5628 301-594-7474 -Original Message- From: Bonno, Tuco [mailto:t...@cio.sc.gov] Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 7:30 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBMLINK same-same. I open www.ibm.com/ibmlink, which forwards me to www-304.ibm.com/ ... blahblahblah. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs Sent: Thursday, 25 February, 2010 07:27 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBMLINK On 02/25/10 07:18, Bauer, Bobby (NIH/CIT) [E] wrote: Typed in www.ibm.com/ibmlink this morning and it is now https://www-304bluecoat.ibm.com with a certificate that Firefox doesn't trust. Anybody else seeing this? Bobby Bauer Center for Information Technology National Institutes of Health Bethesda, MD 20892-5628 301-594-7474 I'm going to the same site as you(www.ibm.com/ibmlink) which then redirects me to https://www-304.ibm.com/... I don't know where the bluecoat comes from in your redirection. -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL I never make stupid mistake, only very, very clever ones. Doctor Who
Re: IBMLINK
Mark Jacobs wrote: On 02/25/10 07:18, Bauer, Bobby (NIH/CIT) [E] wrote: Typed in www.ibm.com/ibmlink this morning and it is now https://www-304bluecoat.ibm.com with a certificate that Firefox doesn't trust. Anybody else seeing this? Bobby Bauer Center for Information Technology National Institutes of Health Bethesda, MD 20892-5628 301-594-7474 I'm going to the same site as you(www.ibm.com/ibmlink) which then redirects me to https://www-304.ibm.com/... I don't know where the bluecoat comes from in your redirection. BlueCoat is an authenticated web proxy. Some one, perhaps your internal IT department is trying to snoop on your SSL sessions and not doing a very good job of it.
Re: IBMLINK
No problems here (via IE nor Firefox). Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Bauer, Bobby (NIH/CIT) [E] Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 6:18 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: IBMLINK Typed in www.ibm.com/ibmlink this morning and it is now https://www-304bluecoat.ibm.com with a certificate that Firefox doesn't trust. Anybody else seeing this? Bobby Bauer Center for Information Technology National Institutes of Health Bethesda, MD 20892-5628 301-594-7474 _ This message contains information which is privileged and confidential and is solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this in error, please destroy it immediately and notify us at privacy...@ailife.com.
Re: IBMLINK
I saw it briefly last night too. And then it sotpped. Someone in IBM must have made a booboo. Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Bauer, Bobby (NIH/CIT) [E] Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 4:18 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: [IBMVM] IBMLINK Typed in www.ibm.com/ibmlink this morning and it is now https://www-304bluecoat.ibm.com with a certificate that Firefox doesn't trust. Anybody else seeing this? Bobby Bauer Center for Information Technology National Institutes of Health Bethesda, MD 20892-5628 301-594-7474
Re: IBMLINK
I think you are right. Looks like it was IBM themselves. www-304bluecoat.ahe.pok.ibm.com [129.33.205.96] Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-363-5050 ext 35050 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 9:59 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBMLINK I saw it briefly last night too. And then it sotpped. Someone in IBM must have made a booboo. Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Bauer, Bobby (NIH/CIT) [E] Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 4:18 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: [IBMVM] IBMLINK Typed in www.ibm.com/ibmlink this morning and it is now https://www-304bluecoat.ibm.com with a certificate that Firefox doesn't trust. Anybody else seeing this? Bobby Bauer Center for Information Technology National Institutes of Health Bethesda, MD 20892-5628 301-594-7474
Re: IBMLink 3270 (VM, greenscreen, aka: productive) - VM Registration Tool sunset.
On Wednesday, 09/12/2007 at 02:07 EDT, Mike Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even though the quotes news above specifically reports changes to the VM Registration Tool, I called the 800 number to ask if a user can still change their IBMLink VM (a new term from IBM!) password after October 31, 2007 in light of the statement * No changes can be made to your company or users on the VM side.). From the VM Registration Tool heading one could presume that everything else including password changes should still work. But given the frequent errors/misunderstandings regarding pretty much everything to do with IBMLink VM, I simply want to be prepared. The gentleman I spoke with had a heavy Indian accept and asked multiple unrelated questions, but as best I could tell users will still be able to change their own passwords. I won't be too surprised if his reply and reality don't mesh after October 31. Time will tell... I confirmed with IBMLink Powers That Be that, yes, you will still be able to change your VM password. You just won't be able to change any of the VM registrations or their entitlements. [And while they say IBMLINK VM, we all know that's just VMLINK IBM spelled sideways, sort of. At least it's a valid CMS command ;-) ] Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: IBMLink 3270 (VM, greenscreen, aka: productive) - VM Registration Tool sunset.
I confirmed with IBMLink Powers That Be that, yes, you will still be able to change your VM password. You just won't be able to change any of the VM registrations or their entitlements. [And while they say IBMLINK VM, we all know that's just VMLINK IBM spelled sideways, sort of. At least it's a valid CMS command ;-) ] Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott Thanks, Alan. Good news indeed from the P.T.B. And to all who want to continue to use IBMLink greenscreen. BTW, this morning I received an e-mail update notification related to a PMR that I opened yesterday using the web-based IBMLink. (I opened it there because it's an easy place to paste wider console logs than the XEDIT screens on IBMLink greenscreen). I tried to click on the URL listed to get me back to the IBMLink PMR. It did not respond. After a 2+ minute wait without any progress, I opened another window and entered the commands to logon to IBMLink greenscreen - in 15 seconds I was logged on and into the actual PMR. Now... in all fairness, we were having Novell LAN performance problems at the time, so accessing the web-based IBMLink could have been related to that. But it's another link in the chain that can fail. I'll continue to choose the right tool for the job. Just because you have a spider, not everything is a web. :-) Mike Walter Hewitt Associates Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not necessarily represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates. The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited.
IBMLink 3270 (VM, greenscreen, aka: productive) - VM Registration Tool sunset.
Pasted directly from the News screen on the IBMLink 3270 interface (VM, greenscreen, aka: productive): 01 SEP 07 - Attention all VM users VM Registration Tool will sunset on October 31, 2007 Implications are: * All users and entitlements for the IBMLink VM system will be permanently set on IBMLink VM. * No new user can be registered for access to VM (3270 emulation). * No changes can be made to your company or users on the VM side. * Changes can only be made to IBMLink on the Internet and those changes will only affect IBMLink on the Internet side. * Keep in mind, all companies and users that did not previously have VM (3270 emulation) access will not be able to get VM access. * All IBMLink users will continue to have Internet access via url: www.ibm.com/ibmlink Please inform your IBMLink Customer Service Administrator (CSA) and/or Backup CSA of any changes required as soon as possible. We appreciate your support in our continued journey to consolidate and enhance our presence on the Internet. If you have any concerns or comments, please submit a feedback from IBM Link on the web (internet) or call our Help Desk at 1-800-543-3912. If you are a current user of the IBMLink 3270 interface, I'd be sure it's still working before and after October 31, 2007. At one point in the recent past IBMLink 3270 had been relegated to the trash heap of history. Rumor has it that several prominent European customers raised such an uproar that IBMLink relented somewhat. My interpretation of the above legal-speak is that IBMLink 3270 will be frozen as-is (better than killed outright). Anyone with access to IBMLink 3270 retains access; no new IDs, no changes. If you are NOT a current IBMLink 3270 interface user, this is your last chance to get signed up. Act now! Operators are standing by to take your call! Open 24 hours! One free set of Ginsue (sp?) steak knives with each order! And that's not all! If you call in the next 10 minutes and mention this offer... (OK, they didn't REALLY say any of that.) :-) Even though the quotes news above specifically reports changes to the VM Registration Tool, I called the 800 number to ask if a user can still change their IBMLink VM (a new term from IBM!) password after October 31, 2007 in light of the statement * No changes can be made to your company or users on the VM side.). From the VM Registration Tool heading one could presume that everything else including password changes should still work. But given the frequent errors/misunderstandings regarding pretty much everything to do with IBMLink VM, I simply want to be prepared. The gentleman I spoke with had a heavy Indian accept and asked multiple unrelated questions, but as best I could tell users will still be able to change their own passwords. I won't be too surprised if his reply and reality don't mesh after October 31. Time will tell... Mike Walter Hewitt Associates Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not necessarily represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates. The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited.
IBMLink 2000 - Unable to add Compids to ASAP
This note is from Darryl Goodnight here at Bank of America. I have posted it with his permission. From: Goodnight, Darryl Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 11:25 AM Also an F.Y.I. I had opened up a feedback with IBM regarding not bein g able to add some COMPIDs to the IBMLink 2000 ASAP application. According to the feedback record, the issue was verified and forwarded on to ServiceLink development for follow-up. That was back in November 2006 and I still have not received an updated status. I did verify that the problem still exists and updated the feedback record asking for a status but as of yet have not heard back from IBM. Darryl For each of the products listed below, I receive an error message when I try to add the product to my ASAP profile via IBMLink 2000 . I also tried to manually input the compid number but still get the same error message (also referenced below). I was able to do it from my IBMLink 3270 (green screen) logon but that access is currently not available. Here's the list of COMPIDs that I am unable to add to ASAP VM profile. 565511901 A31 568411220 440 568411220 A44 569501302 130 569501402 130 Here is the error message I receive. Working with profiles Error The were no valid compids to add
Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels
The feedback I regulary send is honored and being worked on; the time before a fix for my complaints is placed in production could be faster though. 2007/1/15, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Friday, 01/12/2007 at 08:04 CST, Alan Ackerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldn't figure out how to view a single PTF until Marcy told me. It took me quite a while to figure out that if I want to ADD products to ASAP I have to find the Add link hidden in the right-hand menu, not at the bottom near the Delete button. Should I open an IBMLink feedback on each of these? (I already did on 2.) I sure didn't like the answers I got for those two. C'mon, Alan, you know that The Bank has no problem rejecting answers it gets from IBM! ;-) Yes, open problems for each. If anyone else has the same problem, they should submit a feedback, too. Squeak. Squeak. Squeak. Are you sure there is anyone listening? I only know 1. Nothing will change if the users of the service don't register their complaints. 2. The manager of IBMLink has been in contact with some customers as a direct result of their Feedbacks. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Re: IBMLink 2000 Sending Files to my VM Reader
Might the 'already signed in' message be there because you did not 'sign out' from a previous session? Could it be misrepresenting the fact that you have a cookie saying you are signed in even though no current session exists? /Tom Kern --- Alan Ackerman wrote: wget definitely works. Thanks! I can login via: wget https://www-304.ibm.com/pkmslogin.form\ --post-data 'login-form-type=pwdusername=ackermanpassword=x=43y=12'\ --no-check-certificate --save-cookies mycookies.txt --keep-session-cookies\ --load-cookies mycookies.txt --directory-prefix temp This always gives me a file with an error message You are already signed in. Please return to the profile summary to continue. The login nevertheless works. If I leave out this login step, nothing else works. I tried to figure out why by tracing the HTML headers but it made my head swim. So many redirects and so many cookies! Ugh! ...snipped... Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front
Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 01:09:47 -0500, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday, 01/12/2007 at 08:04 CST, Alan Ackerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldn't figure out how to view a single PTF until Marcy told me. It took me quite a while to figure out that if I want to ADD products to ASAP I have to find the Add link hidden in the right-hand menu, not at the bottom near the Delete button. Should I open an IBMLink feedback on each of these? (I already did on 2.) I sure didn't like the answers I got for those two. C'mon, Alan, you know that The Bank has no problem rejecting answers it gets from IBM! ;-) Yes, open problems for each. If anyone else has the same problem, they should submit a feedback, too. Squeak. Squeak. Squea k. Fair enough. I will open feedbacks for everything.
Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels
On Friday, 01/12/2007 at 08:04 CST, Alan Ackerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldn't figure out how to view a single PTF until Marcy told me. It took me quite a while to figure out that if I want to ADD products to ASAP I have to find the Add link hidden in the right-hand menu, not at the bottom near the Delete button. Should I open an IBMLink feedback on each of these? (I already did on 2.) I sure didn't like the answers I got for those two. C'mon, Alan, you know that The Bank has no problem rejecting answers it gets from IBM! ;-) Yes, open problems for each. If anyone else has the same problem, they should submit a feedback, too. Squeak. Squeak. Squeak. Are you sure there is anyone listening? I only know 1. Nothing will change if the users of the service don't register their complaints. 2. The manager of IBMLink has been in contact with some customers as a direct result of their Feedbacks. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: IBMLink 2000 Sending Files to my VM Reader
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:04:49 -0500, Jim Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] .com wrote: One option you can do is get the wget utility for Windows (see http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/ ). It will allow you to get content f rom https (ssl) sites. For instance, I have a little ditty that I use to g rab the current WAN IP address assigned on my home wireless router (which us es https) via: wget https://192.168.1.1/Status_Router.asp --no-check-certificate --user=vincenj --password= --connect-timeout=2 --tries=1 Works like a champ. wget definitely works. Thanks! I can login via: wget https://www-304.ibm.com/pkmslogin.form\ --post-data 'login-form-type=pwdusername=ackermanpassword= x=43y=12'\ --no-check-certificate --save-cookies mycookies.txt --keep-session-cooki es\ --load-cookies mycookies.txt --directory-prefix temp This always gives me a file with an error message You are already signed in. Please return to the profile summary to continue. The login nevertheless works. If I leave ou t this login step, nothing else works. I tried to figure out why by tracing the HTML headers but it made my head swim. So many redirects and so many cookies! Ugh! Further steps: #SERVICELINK (Needed!) wget 'https://www-304.ibm.com/jct03004c/ibmlink/servicelink/servicelinkPa ge.jsp? lc=encc=US'\ --no-check-certificate --save-cookies mycookies.txt --keep-session-cooki es\ --load-cookies mycookies.txt --directory-prefix temp #LIST ETR RECORDS wget 'https://www-304.ibm.com/jct03004c/ibmlink/etr/etrRouting.jsp'\ --post-data\ 'lc=encc=USnavItem=etrListRequest.jspetrlist=ACCT amp;userKeyword=SERVICEcustno=srchar g=SubmitListRequest.x=40SubmitListRequest.y=40'\ --no-check-certificate --save-cookies mycookies.txt --keep-session-cooki es\ --load-cookies mycookies.txt -O temp/etrRouting.jsp At this point I had to resort to grep and sed to break up the list and do wnload the individual ETRs. I don't think that's going to work on a PC. (I did this in the Unix part of my Mac.) Even the printable versions are still HTML. A fun programming exercise, but probably not too practical.
Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels
Rob van der Heij wrote: Come on Sir. You're just repeating hearsay nonsense arguments. Yours is almost as good as the one to replace the VM Toolsrun-based employee directory by LDAP because the VM solution required updates to be applied to all copies of the data spread over multiple VM system I believe IBM set back the clock 10 years by migrating off their VM applications internally. for some strange reason or another, there is a ldap redbook that has reference to some webpage of ours at garlic.com precursor to TOOLSRUN for employee directory was CJNTEL ... posting with old email from 1981 proposing a CJNTEL-based public key infrastructure http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#12 more secure communication over the network other posts with old email (from 70s early 80s) mentioning CJNTEL (and maybe some TOOLSRUN) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#16 intersection between autolog command and cmsback (more history) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#25 To RISC or not to RISC http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#44 more secure communication over the network http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#7 Securing financial transactions a high priority for 2007 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#7 information utility then there was line told top executives that the internal network had to be converted to SNA ... because PROFS was an VTAM application and would otherwise stop working http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006x.html#7 vmshare concurrent with CJNTEL was the online telephone directory ... recently mentioned here http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006v.html#32 Effi[ci]ency of branch table vs individual compare branch ... now, of course, LDAP ... stands for lightweight directory access protocol ... a morphing of DAP/X.500 ... part of the ISO/OSI suite of protocols. The first time I remember hearing about X.500 was at ACM SIGMOD conference ... i think '92 at santa clara convention center ... it was described as a bunch of networking engineers trying to re-invent 1960s database technology. these day, most LDAPs are layered on some RDBMS technology. for other drift, lots of past posts on original relational/sql, System/R ... all developed on VM http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#systemr
Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels
On 1/12/07, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone else gets to webify their legacy apps, so why not IBM? We have internal app development shops that are looking for ways to cut support development costs, too. And those new hires out of college are certainly not very good at 3270 programming, you know ;-) Come on Sir. You're just repeating hearsay nonsense arguments. Yours is almost as good as the one to replace the VM Toolsrun-based employee directory by LDAP because the VM solution required updates to be applied to all copies of the data spread over multiple VM system I believe IBM set back the clock 10 years by migrating off their VM applications internally. When you have a decent interface between business logic and presentation layer than served the purpose already for 20 years, really how many people do you think need to be involved with 3270 data stream programming? In fact, that interface was lean enough to allow for small projects to access the applications through web browser or even WAP phone. What really increased development cost was to replace development teams and rewrite the business logic on another platform. Many web applications today still follow that classic form based transaction model like we have with DMS, ISPF, IOS3270, or Xedit-based applications. That only model changes with WEB 2.0, and I already demonstrated we can drive an AJAX web application with our CMS-based ESAWEB server. Guess what, the CMS code was just 10-15 lines of REXX and Pipes to make it work. The rest is AJAX just like it would be on another platform. And an application takes a *lot* of AJAX code to make it work, but that's another issue. Rob
Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels
I have trying to stay on the sidelines of this conversation. However, IBM MUST get their act together on IBMLINK. Every so often I get an email from IBM indicating that a status record has been updated. It took 3 months to get an answer on where I should look and how to look at the updated status record. I had one techie tell me that I should just ignore these records as no one at IBM knew how to look at them either. I have 'tremendous confidence' in level one people now. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:19 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels On Thursday, 01/11/2007 at 12:08 CST, Alan Ackerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any other suggestions? Continue your discussion with IBMLink folks. At least the two versions were side-by-side for seven years so that you could transition to the new one at your own pace. :-) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels
Hear, hear, good Sir! I gave IBMLink 2000 several tries over those seven, usually because there was publication of a shiny new release. Even after spending the usual time making a sincere effort to get acquainted with the changes between releases and the differences between greenscreen, it was frustrating because you had to know the magic incantations and just where to hover the pointer to actually find anything. Or you had to have previous knowledge of what seems to be IBM inside information (ala a previous note that you should know what you want to order before you try to order it - and you must know EXACTLY the right keywords to place such an order). It seems that the younger IBM employees to which Chuckie refers as having no 3270 expertise must have a significant experience with PC gaming apps, because that's what I felt like I was being forced to use. I never did like Adventure, feeling that after the first 5 minutes it was a complete waste of time to search blindly for tools I needed to solve a problem. The point is we are customers. We should not need to know IBM-internal buzzwords, and certainly when trying to place an order we should be able to do so swiftly, selecting from a menu of products or service. Does one go into a restaurant that has no menus and keep asking Do you have toast? No? Do you have hamburgers? No? Do you have steamed Brussel spouts? No? Good! Do you have something smaller than a breadbox? Do I hear Jack Nicholson in the background trying to order plain toast without butter. Arhhh! The other point is: does it REALLY cost IBM anything significant to support a stable application? Perhaps just functionally stabilizing it, and telling us we have to look for new features in IBMLink 2000 would suffice. We could continue to use the legacy (i.e productive) tool for what we've always used it for, and get familiar with IBMLink (and report feature failures if it actually helps) for new features. Mike Walter Information Technology Services Hewitt Associates [EMAIL PROTECTED] Direct: +(847) 771-9233 Main:+(847) 295-5000 http://www.hewitt.com Stracka, James (GTI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 01/12/2007 09:24 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels After seven years you would think that they might have a hint that so many of us did not transition because IBMLink 2000 was so bloody awful. At least the two versions were side-by-side for seven years so that you could transition to the new one at your own pace. :-) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender, delete it and do not read, act upon, print, disclose, copy, retain or redistribute it. Click here for important additional terms relating to this e-mail. http://www.ml.com/email_terms/ The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited.
Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels
To answer your question, does it REALLY cost IBM anything significant to support a stable application? The answer is Yes. Just look at IBM cancelling VSE/VSAM support on VM since there have been no changes to it since Y2K. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Walter Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:33 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels Hear, hear, good Sir! I gave IBMLink 2000 several tries over those seven, usually because there was publication of a shiny new release. Even after spending the usual time making a sincere effort to get acquainted with the changes between releases and the differences between greenscreen, it was frustrating because you had to know the magic incantations and just where to hover the pointer to actually find anything. Or you had to have previous knowledge of what seems to be IBM inside information (ala a previous note that you should know what you want to order before you try to order it - and you must know EXACTLY the right keywords to place such an order). It seems that the younger IBM employees to which Chuckie refers as having no 3270 expertise must have a significant experience with PC gaming apps, because that's what I felt like I was being forced to use. I never did like Adventure, feeling that after the first 5 minutes it was a complete waste of time to search blindly for tools I needed to solve a problem. The point is we are customers. We should not need to know IBM-internal buzzwords, and certainly when trying to place an order we should be able to do so swiftly, selecting from a menu of products or service. Does one go into a restaurant that has no menus and keep asking Do you have toast? No? Do you have hamburgers? No? Do you have steamed Brussel spouts? No? Good! Do you have something smaller than a breadbox? Do I hear Jack Nicholson in the background trying to order plain toast without butter. Arhhh! The other point is: does it REALLY cost IBM anything significant to support a stable application? Perhaps just functionally stabilizing it, and telling us we have to look for new features in IBMLink 2000 would suffice. We could continue to use the legacy (i.e productive) tool for what we've always used it for, and get familiar with IBMLink (and report feature failures if it actually helps) for new features. Mike Walter Information Technology Services Hewitt Associates [EMAIL PROTECTED] Direct: +(847) 771-9233 Main:+(847) 295-5000 http://www.hewitt.com Stracka, James (GTI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 01/12/2007 09:24 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels After seven years you would think that they might have a hint that so many of us did not transition because IBMLink 2000 was so bloody awful. At least the two versions were side-by-side for seven years so that you could transition to the new one at your own pace. :-) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender, delete it and do not read, act upon, print, disclose, copy, retain or redistribute it. Click here for important additional terms relating to this e-mail. http://www.ml.com/email_terms/ The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited.
Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels
The answer is Yes. That was the answer, sure. But where's the supporting documentation. Yes Virginia, there really is a Santa Claus. But *I* want proof/supporting doc (**and** a pony!). Mike Walter Hewitt Associates Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not necessarily represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates. Stracka, James (GTI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 01/12/2007 10:37 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels To answer your question, does it REALLY cost IBM anything significant to support a stable application? The answer is Yes. Just look at IBM cancelling VSE/VSAM support on VM since there have been no changes to it since Y2K. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Walter Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:33 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels Hear, hear, good Sir! I gave IBMLink 2000 several tries over those seven, usually because there was publication of a shiny new release. Even after spending the usual time making a sincere effort to get acquainted with the changes between releases and the differences between greenscreen, it was frustrating because you had to know the magic incantations and just where to hover the pointer to actually find anything. Or you had to have previous knowledge of what seems to be IBM inside information (ala a previous note that you should know what you want to order before you try to order it - and you must know EXACTLY the right keywords to place such an order). It seems that the younger IBM employees to which Chuckie refers as having no 3270 expertise must have a significant experience with PC gaming apps, because that's what I felt like I was being forced to use. I never did like Adventure, feeling that after the first 5 minutes it was a complete waste of time to search blindly for tools I needed to solve a problem. The point is we are customers. We should not need to know IBM-internal buzzwords, and certainly when trying to place an order we should be able to do so swiftly, selecting from a menu of products or service. Does one go into a restaurant that has no menus and keep asking Do you have toast? No? Do you have hamburgers? No? Do you have steamed Brussel spouts? No? Good! Do you have something smaller than a breadbox? Do I hear Jack Nicholson in the background trying to order plain toast without butter. Arhhh! The other point is: does it REALLY cost IBM anything significant to support a stable application? Perhaps just functionally stabilizing it, and telling us we have to look for new features in IBMLink 2000 would suffice. We could continue to use the legacy (i.e productive) tool for what we've always used it for, and get familiar with IBMLink (and report feature failures if it actually helps) for new features. Mike Walter Information Technology Services Hewitt Associates [EMAIL PROTECTED] Direct: +(847) 771-9233 Main:+(847) 295-5000 http://www.hewitt.com Stracka, James (GTI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 01/12/2007 09:24 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels After seven years you would think that they might have a hint that so many of us did not transition because IBMLink 2000 was so bloody awful. At least the two versions were side-by-side for seven years so that you could transition to the new one at your own pace. :-) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender, delete it and do not read, act upon, print, disclose, copy, retain or redistribute it. Click here for important additional terms relating to this e-mail. http://www.ml.com/email_terms/ The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has
Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels
Apparently VTAM support is not very costly - maybe to us it is, but not to them. :-) Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Walter Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 8:59 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels The answer is Yes. That was the answer, sure. But where's the supporting documentation. Yes Virginia, there really is a Santa Claus. But *I* want proof/supporting doc (**and** a pony!). Mike Walter Hewitt Associates Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not necessarily represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates. Stracka, James (GTI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 01/12/2007 10:37 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels To answer your question, does it REALLY cost IBM anything significant to support a stable application? The answer is Yes. Just look at IBM cancelling VSE/VSAM support on VM since there have been no changes to it since Y2K. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Walter Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:33 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels Hear, hear, good Sir! I gave IBMLink 2000 several tries over those seven, usually because there was publication of a shiny new release. Even after spending the usual time making a sincere effort to get acquainted with the changes between releases and the differences between greenscreen, it was frustrating because you had to know the magic incantations and just where to hover the pointer to actually find anything. Or you had to have previous knowledge of what seems to be IBM inside information (ala a previous note that you should know what you want to order before you try to order it - and you must know EXACTLY the right keywords to place such an order). It seems that the younger IBM employees to which Chuckie refers as having no 3270 expertise must have a significant experience with PC gaming apps, because that's what I felt like I was being forced to use. I never did like Adventure, feeling that after the first 5 minutes it was a complete waste of time to search blindly for tools I needed to solve a problem. The point is we are customers. We should not need to know IBM-internal buzzwords, and certainly when trying to place an order we should be able to do so swiftly, selecting from a menu of products or service. Does one go into a restaurant that has no menus and keep asking Do you have toast? No? Do you have hamburgers? No? Do you have steamed Brussel spouts? No? Good! Do you have something smaller than a breadbox? Do I hear Jack Nicholson in the background trying to order plain toast without butter. Arhhh! The other point is: does it REALLY cost IBM anything significant to support a stable application? Perhaps just functionally stabilizing it, and telling us we have to look for new features in IBMLink 2000 would suffice. We could continue to use the legacy (i.e productive) tool for what we've always used it for, and get familiar with IBMLink (and report feature failures if it actually helps) for new features. Mike Walter Information Technology Services Hewitt Associates [EMAIL PROTECTED] Direct: +(847) 771-9233 Main:+(847) 295-5000 http://www.hewitt.com Stracka, James (GTI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 01/12/2007 09:24 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels After seven years you would think that they might have a hint that so many of us did not transition because IBMLink 2000 was so bloody awful. At least the two versions were side-by-side for seven years so that you could transition to the new one at your own pace. :-) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender, delete it and do not read, act upon, print, disclose, copy, retain or redistribute it. Click here for important additional terms relating to this e-mail. http://www.ml.com/email_terms/ The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use
Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels
On Friday, 01/12/2007 at 10:33 CST, Mike Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The point is we are customers. We should not need to know IBM-internal buzzwords AMEN! EVERY ONE of you who doesn't like what IBMLink 2000 is/isn't doing needs to send in Feedbacks. Likewise, if you LIKE something, let them know that, too. Why? So it won't go away! Find your z/OS brethren. Get THEM to send in THEIR feedbacks. I've already commented on how to deal with responsiveness issues. , and certainly when trying to place an order we should be able to do so swiftly, selecting from a menu of products or service. No argument from me. The other point is: does it REALLY cost IBM anything significant to support a stable application? Yes. If you are going to support it, then you must have the ability to - reproduce the problem in-house - alter the application - test the application Perhaps just functionally stabilizing it, and telling us we have to look for new features in IBMLink 2000 would suffice. We could continue to use the legacy (i.e productive) tool for what we've always used it for, and get familiar with IBMLink (and report feature failures if it actually helps) for new features. That leaves two interfaces to the backends. That means the backend or an extra layer of middleware must support this access method. You can't make changes to them without consideration for the 3270 side that is stablized. Regression testing is then required. There goes the idea of zero-cost maintenence. And I say this as a 12-year veteran of System Test. If something is stabilized, that means no new function BUT the old function remains usable. THAT means testing changes to ensure you haven't broken it. If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. One of two things will happen: You'll change your process to conform to the abilities of the tool, or you will change the tool to conform to your process. Naturally, in the real world, some of both will happen, but decide which you would prefer more of and then take action to achieve that goal. If you choose not to persevere with Feedbacks and dialog, then your process will change far more than the tool will. I wish the 3270 interface would remain for you, too. (I don't get access to either one. :-( ) Since the announcement, I'm sure that all of the Feedbacks the 3270 users have opened with their [detailed and specific] objections are being reviewed. Ummm all y'all *did* open Feedbacks, right? Not just blowing off steam here? BTW, I'm guessing that 3270 is better. Long live 3270. is probably not going to get any attention. Explain *why* 3270 is better for *you*. Be specific. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels
On Jan 12, 2007, at 1:49 PM, Alan Altmark wrote: Find your z/OS brethren. Brethren? I mean, uh Everything I've ever heard or read indicates that z/OS people reproduce by budding. Something asexual, anyway. One of life's major mercies, that. Oh, look. Friday already. Adam
Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels
IBMLINK 2000 reminds me of Conan O'Brien's running gag on the Late Show about looking into the future...all the way to the year 2000! :-) Maybe it's time for an IBMLINK Vista version! Whoops I didn't say that, did I! Happy Friday! Dale R. Smith Technology Services Senior IBM Global Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-614-481-1608
Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels
Maybe it's time for an IBMLINK Vista version! Delivered on time, fully featured, and rigorously tested. :-) Regards, Richard Schuh
Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:37:52 -0500, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, 01/11/2007 at 10:21 CST, Alan Ackerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was hoping I wouldn't have to convert. Silly of me to expect them to come to their senses. Everyone else gets to webify their legacy apps, so why not IBM? We ha ve internal app development shops that are looking for ways to cut support development costs, too. And those new hires out of college are certainl y not very good at 3270 programming, you know ;-) That the 3270 interface on IBMLink remained for 7 years (long past the original sunset schedules) is a testimonial to the IBMLink team's committment to you. They fought to keep it. Quite reasonably, TPTB don 't like redundant investments and I was gratified by their ability to keep both interfaces running for so long. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott = == == I'm not opposed to webifying the application. I seem to remember a SHARE Task Force trying to convince IBM to use the Internet (for software downloads, dump uploads, e tc.) I just object to them throwing away perfectly good function and either not replacing it at all or hiding it so well. They did a really poor job of webifying it. It seems in seven years they could have moved over all the existing funct ion. They kept telling us more was coming -- where is it? You say they fought to keep green screen, while I had the impression that they were dragging it out because it was taking so long t o finish the job. The software download function used to let me identify what I needed to o rder, now it just expects me to know by black magic (or another IBM website for which they provide no link.). IBMLink green screen had perfectly good P and Q (Print an Print All) comm and -- where is this in IBMLink 2K? The SIS function had directed searches -- now you are somehow expected to know that the correct strings are, for example: PERVASIVE|HIPER PIDS/568402600 LVLS/300 | R300 (That one of the four strings to search for HIPER APARs for BookManager.) Or did I miss something else? Fortunately I saved all these strings that I use. I couldn't figure out how to view a single PTF until Marcy told me. It took me quite a while to figure out that if I want to ADD products to ASAP I have to find the Add link hidden in the right-hand menu, not at the bottom near the Delete but ton. Should I open an IBMLink feedback on each of these? (I already did on 2.) I sure didn't like the answers I got for those two. Are you sure there is anyone listening?
Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels
I opened a feedback with IBMLink support, asking how to determoine the current ESO level for a product. Their answer: On IBMLink 2000 there is no selection by product id. You are expected to know the current level of the product for which you are ordering. I am required by my management to check current levels of all my products monthly. All I can think of at the moment is to open an incident for each product once a month. Any other suggestions? What else did IBM throw away in moving to IBMLink 2000? Alan (dot) Ackerman at Bank of America dot com On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:54:55 -0600, Alan Ackerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I find the currently available ESO level for a product? In IBMLin k green screen, I used SRD 5, then changed 2 - 1 here: Select PRodIDs from a list? . . . 1 1. YES 2. NO This gave me a list of products like so: ProdID COMPIDRel Product Description VRM Level _ AVMVMQ20 5688SV101 122 VM/ESA SCREENVIEWV1R1M1 9404 _ AVMVMQ21 5688SV101 222 VM/ESA SCREENVIEWV1R2M0 9404 _ FVMVMQ20 5688SV101 123 VM/ESA SCREENVIEWV1R1M1 9404 _ FVMVMQ21 5688SV101 223 VM/ESA SCREENVIEWV1R2M0 9404 _ GVMVMQ21 5688SV101 224 VM/ESA SCREENVIEWV1R2M0 9404 I then scrolled down until I found my particular products: _ 5668812K 566881201 213 GDDM/PGF VM V2R1M3 0004 _ 568416A 568416801 311 GDDM/VM BASE V3R1M1 9911 Since the Level has not changed, there is no new ESO. How do I do this in IBMLink 2000? I called their 800 number and spent 30 minutes trying to explain my problem to someone in India who knew absolutely nothing about ESOs. He said level 2 would call me back, but I am still waiting. Is it any wopnder I hate IBMLink 2000? = ===
Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels
Boy, that is a customer oriented answer. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Ackerman Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:09 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels I opened a feedback with IBMLink support, asking how to determoine the = current ESO level for a product. Their answer: On IBMLink 2000 there is no selection by product id. You are expected to= know the current level of the product for which you are ordering. I am required by my management to check current levels of all my products= monthly. All I can think of at the moment is to open an incident for each= product once a month. Any other suggestions? What else did IBM throw away in moving to IBMLink 2000? Alan (dot) Ackerman at Bank of America dot com On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:54:55 -0600, Alan Ackerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I find the currently available ESO level for a product? In IBMLin= k green screen, I used SRD 5, then changed 2 - 1 here: Select PRodIDs from a list? . . . 1 1. YES 2. NO This gave me a list of products like so: ProdID COMPIDRel Product Description VRM Level _ AVMVMQ20 5688SV101 122 VM/ESA SCREENVIEWV1R1M1 9404 _ AVMVMQ21 5688SV101 222 VM/ESA SCREENVIEWV1R2M0 9404 _ FVMVMQ20 5688SV101 123 VM/ESA SCREENVIEWV1R1M1 9404 _ FVMVMQ21 5688SV101 223 VM/ESA SCREENVIEWV1R2M0 9404 _ GVMVMQ21 5688SV101 224 VM/ESA SCREENVIEWV1R2M0 9404 I then scrolled down until I found my particular products: _ 5668812K 566881201 213 GDDM/PGF VM V2R1M3 0004 _ 568416A 568416801 311 GDDM/VM BASE V3R1M1 9911 Since the Level has not changed, there is no new ESO. How do I do this in IBMLink 2000? I called their 800 number and spent 30 minutes trying to explain my problem to someone in India who knew absolutely nothing about ESOs. He = said level 2 would call me back, but I am still waiting. Is it any wopnder I hate IBMLink 2000? = == ===
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Does this answer what you need to know? http://www.vm.ibm.com/service/rsu/rsu_eso.html#VM_ESO Marcy Cortes WFS Enterprise Hosting Services - z/VM z/Linux (415) 243-6343 This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Ackerman Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:09 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels I opened a feedback with IBMLink support, asking how to determoine the = current ESO level for a product. Their answer: On IBMLink 2000 there is no selection by product id. You are expected to= know the current level of the product for which you are ordering. I am required by my management to check current levels of all my products= monthly. All I can think of at the moment is to open an incident for each= product once a month. Any other suggestions? What else did IBM throw away in moving to IBMLink 2000? Alan (dot) Ackerman at Bank of America dot com On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:54:55 -0600, Alan Ackerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I find the currently available ESO level for a product? In IBMLin= k green screen, I used SRD 5, then changed 2 - 1 here: Select PRodIDs from a list? . . . 1 1. YES 2. NO This gave me a list of products like so: ProdID COMPIDRel Product Description VRM Level _ AVMVMQ20 5688SV101 122 VM/ESA SCREENVIEWV1R1M1 9404 _ AVMVMQ21 5688SV101 222 VM/ESA SCREENVIEWV1R2M0 9404 _ FVMVMQ20 5688SV101 123 VM/ESA SCREENVIEWV1R1M1 9404 _ FVMVMQ21 5688SV101 223 VM/ESA SCREENVIEWV1R2M0 9404 _ GVMVMQ21 5688SV101 224 VM/ESA SCREENVIEWV1R2M0 9404 I then scrolled down until I found my particular products: _ 5668812K 566881201 213 GDDM/PGF VM V2R1M3 0004 _ 568416A 568416801 311 GDDM/VM BASE V3R1M1 9911 Since the Level has not changed, there is no new ESO. How do I do this in IBMLink 2000? I called their 800 number and spent 30 minutes trying to explain my problem to someone in India who knew absolutely nothing about ESOs. He = said level 2 would call me back, but I am still waiting. Is it any wopnder I hate IBMLink 2000? = == ===
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On Thursday, 01/11/2007 at 12:08 CST, Alan Ackerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any other suggestions? Continue your discussion with IBMLink folks. At least the two versions were side-by-side for seven years so that you could transition to the new one at your own pace. :-) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels
On 1/11/07, Schuh, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Boy, that is a customer oriented answer. No, they do that internally too ;-) When Problem and Change Management was replaced by some new great Web application, it lacked the ability to search the database other than by record number, assignee or such. Not sure that got changed since the need for such a function was even questioned. Go figure if those folks make your applications. Rob
Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:18:40 -0500, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, 01/11/2007 at 12:08 CST, Alan Ackerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any other suggestions? Continue your discussion with IBMLink folks. At least the two versions were side-by-side for seven years so that you could transition to the new one at your own pace. :-) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott = == == Touche' Several people in our shop converted over, and gave them much feedback. I ronically, the chief booster of IBMLink 2000 here, Vito D'Addabbo, just had his retirement lu nch today. It's us young folks that stuck to green screen. I gave them a lot of feedback early on. Never got any response. They did fix some of the bugs I reported. I'm afraid I lost interest. I checked in once in a while but fo und no reason to move off green screen. I didn't notice the lack of ESO information, but I did noti ce that there was no Q (print all) function. I was hoping I wouldn't have to convert. Silly of me to expect them to co me to their senses.
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On Thursday, 01/11/2007 at 10:21 CST, Alan Ackerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was hoping I wouldn't have to convert. Silly of me to expect them to come to their senses. Everyone else gets to webify their legacy apps, so why not IBM? We have internal app development shops that are looking for ways to cut support development costs, too. And those new hires out of college are certainly not very good at 3270 programming, you know ;-) That the 3270 interface on IBMLink remained for 7 years (long past the original sunset schedules) is a testimonial to the IBMLink team's committment to you. They fought to keep it. Quite reasonably, TPTB don't like redundant investments and I was gratified by their ability to keep both interfaces running for so long. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: IBMLink 2000 Sending Files to my VM Reader
One option you can do is get the wget utility for Windows (see http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/ ). It will allow you to get content from https (ssl) sites. For instance, I have a little ditty that I use to grab the current WAN IP address assigned on my home wireless router (which uses https) via: wget https://192.168.1.1/Status_Router.asp --no-check-certificate --user=vincenj --password= --connect-timeout=2 --tries=1 Works like a champ. For VM tools, there are other options like the current version of Charlotte with SSL support. I have not dug into that one yet, but would like to someday when things get quieter here... hahaha! Since WebRover uses the Charlotte engine, I'd like to get WebRover to be able to do SSL too. WebRover lets you get http/ftp content via a Pipe stage so it can be manipulated quick and easy. ___ James Vincent Systems Engineering Consultant Nationwide Services Co., Technology Solutions Mainframe, z/VM and z/Linux Support One Nationwide Plaza 3-20-13 Columbus OH 43215-2220 U.S.A Voice: (614) 249-5547Fax: (614) 677-7681 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 01/10/2007 12:15:05 AM: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU That works. It took me 16 minutes to download the 21 current incidents my group has in IBMLink, though to my PC. A far cry from Q and hit Enter. If it was HTTP, I might be able to write some Pipe code to go download them. But it is HTTPS (SSL encrypted), and I have no CMS tools to do SSL. Not do I have PC tools. (The Bank doesn't seem to want us to program our PCs.) Any ideas? On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:41:37 -0500, Edward M. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Alan, I switched off of the Green screen a couple of years back as the Hand Writing was on the wall. You can save the PTF pretty easily. Just go the FILE, and do a save as and make it a TXT file. Or if you want go to the bottom and select PRINTABLE VERSION and do the same thing. PRINTABLE VERSION has just the info you want. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441
Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels
I've been watching the various postings on the new IBMLink with interest and I feel that I've not been supportive by not having added my voice to the chorus of protest, but I've felt that we're fighting a losing battle. I once had green screen IBMLink. I could do wondrous things with it, more often in VSE than in VM. Then I left that job and no longer had IBMLink until I went to work for an IBM business partner who had the new IBMLink. I hated it for all the reasons that have been mentioned. I no longer work for the business partner and at the moment I don't have IBMLink anywhere. I've made use of some of the publicly available urls to answer some of my questions (Kris posted a url yesterday that typifies what nowadays seems to be available to everyone), and I've appreciated the fact that I can get to these tools with no special permissions. But I feel that I can no longer do the kind of active support for my software that I was able to do with the old IBMLink. Calling for support these days can be a really frustrating experience compared to the old days. Luckily if I call for VSE or VM product defect support I usually am able to talk to someone who's helpful and knowledgeable. I empathize with Alan when he tried to call about IBMLink 2000. I can feel my blood pressure rise when I read the paragraph quoted below. I've come to the conclusion that upper IBM management is trying to move all its customers to the PC/Microsoft model of software support: apply the latest service level, cross your fingers, and be quiet if all hell breaks loose. After all, you took the risk by applying the service, and aren't you able to back it out? I'm not suggesting for one moment that this is the attitude of the VM or VSE labs (and it's probably not even the attitude of the OS/390 folks, but I never speak with them), but it's undoubtedly the attitude of people who populate the highest levels in IBM, who foist IBMLink 2000 on us as if it's an improvement, and who direct our concerns to someone in another country who has absolutely no experience doing the work we do and who, no matter how motivated he or she might be to provide excellent service, is absolutely incapable of understanding our problem. Probably one of the things that's most irritating is the way advances like this are portrayed as if they're all in the service of progress, veritable gifts from the gods. It's a newspeak that at times can become almost frightening (one thinks of Healthy Forests and Clear Skies, but here I'm afraid I'm veering off the subject into verboten territory). This is why people of our age look toward retirement with renewed interest. - Tom. At 03:54 PM 1/8/2007, you wrote: How do I do this in IBMLink 2000? I called their 800 number and spent 30 minutes trying to explain my problem to someone in India who knew absolutely nothing about ESOs. He said level 2 would call me back, but I am still waiting. Is it any wopnder I hate IBMLink 2000? Tom Cluster County of Sonoma Santa Rosa, CA (707) 565-3384 (Tuesdays and Wednesdays only)
Re: IBMLink 2000 Sending Files to my VM Reader
Hello Alan, I switched off of the Green screen a couple of years back as the Hand Writing was on the wall. You can save the PTF pretty easily. Just go the FILE, and do a save as and make it a TXT file. Or if you want go to the bottom and select PRINTABLE VERSION and do the same thing. PRINTABLE VERSION has just the info you want. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Ackerman Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 7:08 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: IBMLink 2000 Sending Files to my VM Reader With IBMLink green screen I can print files and they end up in my reader. I have EXECs to squirrel these away for further needs. This is especially useful since IBMLink erases closed incidents rather quickly, but I also save interesting APARs as well. Any way to do this from IBMLink 2000? I can cut and paste to my PC, but it is tedious. (A single Q prints all the incidents in IBMLink green screen.) Is it any wonder I hate IBMLink 2000?
Re: IBMLink 2000 Replacement for SIS 1
On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:23:16 +0200, Kris Buelens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm using this URL address to search for PTFs/APARs http://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/set2/srchBroker/views/srchBroker.js p? rs=112 -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support I just tried to find PTF UG03934. Didn't find anything. Added Applications - Desktop Enterprise. This gave me 35 APARs, but no PTFs.
Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels
I've come to the conclusion that upper IBM management is trying to move all its customers to the PC/Microsoft model of software support: apply the latest service level, cross your fingers, and be quiet if all hell breaks loose. Any one who runs applying support like that deserves everything they get. We have a three level test process for applying patches to our workstations. No fixes are rolled out until they have been tested by key testers. After all, you took the risk by applying the service, and aren't you able to back it out? You can back out most PC fixes. Of course the ones you can't back out are the ones that break things. I'm not suggesting for one moment that this is the attitude of the VM or VSE labs (and it's probably not even the attitude of the OS/390 folks, but I never speak with them), but it's undoubtedly the attitude of people who populate the highest levels in IBM, who foist IBMLink 2000 on us as if it's an improvement, and who direct our concerns to someone in another country who has absolutely no experience doing the work we do and who, no matter how motivated he or she might be to provide excellent service, is absolutely incapable of understanding our problem. I had this problem with LexMark printer support. Fortunatly I had the luxery of telling the LexMark rep that unless he did better we would never buy a LexMark printer again. We had an engineer on site next day. Probably one of the things that's most irritating is the way advances like this are portrayed as if they're all in the service of progress, veritable gifts from the gods. It's a newspeak that at times can become almost frightening (one thinks of Healthy Forests and Clear Skies, but here I'm afraid I'm veering off the subject into verboten territory). This is why people of our age look toward retirement with renewed interest. Pitty I still have 15 years to go - Tom. P.S. Any chance of sharing some of your publicly available URLs? At 03:54 PM 1/8/2007, you wrote: How do I do this in IBMLink 2000? I called their 800 number and spent 30 minutes trying to explain my problem to someone in India who knew absolutely nothing about ESOs. He said level 2 would call me back, but I am still waiting. Is it any wopnder I hate IBMLink 2000? Tom Cluster County of Sonoma Santa Rosa, CA (707) 565-3384 (Tuesdays and Wednesdays only) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: IBMLink 2000 Replacement for SIS 1
On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 18:00:17 -0600, Marcy Cortes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go into SIS Over on the left click on View documents Click on Apars and PTFs link Put the number in Obvious huh ;) Marcy Cortes Thanks! Quite obvious. When it tells you to fill in an APAR or PTF number - - don't. Instead look for an item in the left menu. I opened a feedback on this question. So far it has bounced through 2 queues, but no answer. I gave them your answer and told them what I thoug h of IBMLink 2000. (Politely.) I'm sure I had a similar learning curve for IBMLink green screen 20 years ago. But I resent my learning being thrown away and being forced to learn an inferior system. Onward and downward!
Re: IBMLink 2000 Replacement for SIS 1
They did fix one thing though - it use to say Open an ETR. Now, I'd say that probably 90% of the world would think that that meant you wanted to report a new problem and get a new record opened. Wrong. It was to read an existing record. Marcy Cortes This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Ackerman Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 12:19 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] IBMLink 2000 Replacement for SIS 1 On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 18:00:17 -0600, Marcy Cortes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go into SIS Over on the left click on View documents Click on Apars and PTFs link Put the number in Obvious huh ;) Marcy Cortes Thanks! Quite obvious. When it tells you to fill in an APAR or PTF number= - - don't. Instead look for an item in the left menu. I opened a feedback on this question. So far it has bounced through 2 queues, but no answer. I gave them your answer and told them what I thoug= h of IBMLink 2000. (Politely.) I'm sure I had a similar learning curve for IBMLink green screen 20 years= ago. But I resent my learning being thrown away and being forced to learn= an inferior system. Onward and downward!
Re: IBMLink 2000 Replacement for SIS 1
I always find my VM fixes using the URL metioned above. No problems. Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Re: IBMLink 2000 Replacement for SIS 1
Kris Buelens wrote: I always find my VM fixes using the URL metioned above. No problems. But will it show you open APARs? Tony H.
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I think it does, but when I looked in the past, the text for open apars is very brief indeed 2007/1/9, Tony Harminc [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Kris Buelens wrote: I always find my VM fixes using the URL metioned above. No problems. But will it show you open APARs? Tony H. -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
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See for example VM64042, it is open 2007/1/9, Kris Buelens [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think it does, but when I looked in the past, the text for open apars is very brief indeed 2007/1/9, Tony Harminc [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Kris Buelens wrote: I always find my VM fixes using the URL metioned above. No problems. But will it show you open APARs? Tony H. -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
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See for example VM64042, it is open Ah - OK, it's marked with a little key icon, and you have to sign in to see it. I guess they've merged the two UIs when I wasn't looking. There was a time when you had to sign in first to see any open ones. And it even finds that one based on keywords. Tony H.
Re: IBMLink 2000 Sending Files to my VM Reader
That works. It took me 16 minutes to download the 21 current incidents my group has in IBMLink, though to my PC. A far cry from Q and hit Enter. If it was HTTP, I might be able to write some Pipe code to go download them. But it is HTTPS (SSL encrypted), and I have no CMS tools to do SSL. Not do I have PC tools. (The Bank doesn't seem to want us to program our PCs.) Any ideas? On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:41:37 -0500, Edward M. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Alan, I switched off of the Green screen a couple of years back as the Hand Writing was on the wall. You can save the PTF pretty easily. Just go the FILE, and do a save as and make it a TXT file. Or if you want go to the bottom and select PRINTABLE VERSION and do the same thing. PRINTABLE VERSION has just the info you want. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441
IBMLink 2000 Replacement for SIS 1
Since we are being forced to move to IBMLink 2000, can someone tell me a way to find a single PTF or APAR? I tried typing an APAR nubmer into Service Information Search (SIS) - APARs and PTFs - Search argument I got 51 hits spread across 3 pages. Is it any wonder I hate IBMLink 2000?
Re: IBMLink 2000 Replacement for SIS 1
Go into SIS Over on the left click on View documents Click on Apars and PTFs link Put the number in Obvious huh ;) Marcy Cortes This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Ackerman Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 3:46 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: [IBMVM] IBMLink 2000 Replacement for SIS 1 Since we are being forced to move to IBMLink 2000, can someone tell me a = way to find a single PTF or APAR? I tried typing an APAR nubmer into Service Information Search (SIS) - APARs and PTFs - Search argument I got 51 hits spread across 3 pages. Is it any wonder I hate IBMLink 2000?
IBMLink 2000 Sending Files to my VM Reader
With IBMLink green screen I can print files and they end up in my reader. I have EXECs to squirrel these away for further needs. This is especially useful since IBMLink erases closed incidents rather quickly, but I also save interesting APARs as well. Any way to do this from IBMLink 2000? I can cut and paste to my PC, but it is tedious. (A single Q prints all the incidents in IBMLink green screen.) Is it any wonder I hate IBMLink 2000?
Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels
I was trying to help you with this one, but I keep getting 404 errors from ibmlink now!I bet you the green screen never got 404 :). Error 404: SRVE0200E: Servlet [org.apache.jsp._masthead_5F_ja_5F_JP]: Could not find required servlet class - _masthead_5F_ja_5F_JP.class Yes, I did click on the Submit feedback Link and it also complains about servlet class - although a different one: SRVE0200E: Servlet [org.apache.jsp._masthead_5F_en_5F_AU]: Could not find required servlet class - _masthead_5F_en_5F_AU.class Marcy Cortes This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Ackerman Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 3:55 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: [IBMVM] IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels How do I find the currently available ESO level for a product? In IBMLink= green screen, I used SRD 5, then changed 2 - 1 here: Select PRodIDs from a list? . . . 1 1. YES 2. NO This gave me a list of products like so: ProdID COMPIDRel Product Description VRM Level _ AVMVMQ20 5688SV101 122 VM/ESA SCREENVIEWV1R1M1 9404 _ AVMVMQ21 5688SV101 222 VM/ESA SCREENVIEWV1R2M0 9404 _ FVMVMQ20 5688SV101 123 VM/ESA SCREENVIEWV1R1M1 9404 _ FVMVMQ21 5688SV101 223 VM/ESA SCREENVIEWV1R2M0 9404 _ GVMVMQ21 5688SV101 224 VM/ESA SCREENVIEWV1R2M0 9404 I then scrolled down until I found my particular products: _ 5668812K 566881201 213 GDDM/PGF VM V2R1M3 0004 _ 568416A 568416801 311 GDDM/VM BASE V3R1M1 9911 Since the Level has not changed, there is no new ESO. How do I do this in IBMLink 2000? I called their 800 number and spent 30 minutes trying to explain my problem to someone in India who knew absolutely nothing about ESOs. He = said level 2 would call me back, but I am still waiting. Is it any wopnder I hate IBMLink 2000?
Re: IBMLink 2000 Replacement for SIS 1
I'm using this URL address to search for PTFs/APARs http://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/set2/srchBroker/views/srchBroker.jsp?rs=112 -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support 2007/1/9, Marcy Cortes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Go into SIS Over on the left click on View documents Click on Apars and PTFs link Put the number in Obvious huh ;) Marcy Cortes -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Ackerman Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 3:46 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: [IBMVM] IBMLink 2000 Replacement for SIS 1 Since we are being forced to move to IBMLink 2000, can someone tell me a way to find a single PTF or APAR? I tried typing an APAR nubmer into Service Information Search (SIS) - APARs and PTFs - Search argument I got 51 hits spread across 3 pages. Is it any wonder I hate IBMLink 2000?
Re: IBMLINK Issues
I had no problems order two CP fixes this morning. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Ferguson Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 6:43 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: IBMLINK Issues Anybody else having a problem ordering service via IBMLINK? I'm getting an order contains no valid PTFs no matter what I enter. A problem report to IBMLINK gave me a 'we know it does not work' But only for VMSES stuff, MVS is fine. And maybe it will get fixed sometime this month (maybe) Perhaps if enough people whine something might be done? My problem record, for any interested IBMr was 70438,004 Brian If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender, delete it and do not read, act upon, print, disclose, copy, retain or redistribute it. Click here for important additional terms relating to this e-mail. http://www.ml.com/email_terms/
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I fired up a feedback a last week (for a couple of cp's, some worked, some didn't). Basic answer was it'll be corrected on next fixpack, but, in the meantime I should load the fixed via the web interface, Ibm.com, downloads and drivers, ... . Actually worked after I picked up the lasted Window$ security update. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stracka, James (GTI) Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 7:51 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IBMLINK Issues I had no problems order two CP fixes this morning. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Ferguson Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 6:43 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: IBMLINK Issues Anybody else having a problem ordering service via IBMLINK? I'm getting an order contains no valid PTFs no matter what I enter. A problem report to IBMLINK gave me a 'we know it does not work' But only for VMSES stuff, MVS is fine. And maybe it will get fixed sometime this month (maybe) Perhaps if enough people whine something might be done? My problem record, for any interested IBMr was 70438,004 Brian If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender, delete it and do not read, act upon, print, disclose, copy, retain or redistribute it. Click here for important additional terms relating to this e-mail. http://www.ml.com/email_terms/
IBMLINK Issues
Anybody else having a problem ordering service via IBMLINK? I'm getting an order contains no valid PTFs no matter what I enter. A problem report to IBMLINK gave me a 'we know it does not work' But only for VMSES stuff, MVS is fine. And maybe it will get fixed sometime this month (maybe) Perhaps if enough people whine something might be done? My problem record, for any interested IBMr was 70438,004 Brian
Re: Shop Z/Series as replacement to IBMLink?
And, yes, applications get redesigned Just Because. If you're writing 3270 apps, you're, like, in Nowhereville, man. OTOH, if you've got mousable OK and CANCEL, with a pulldown and a radio button, you're totally rad. Sounds like a mission for CUA2001...
Re: Shop Z/Series as replacement to IBMLink?
Jim Bohnsack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On this posting, I am in total agreement with Mike. I think that I have Doherty's paper in an old issue of the IBM Systems Journal somewhere. By the way it was Ralph Doherty (and I'm not sure that Doherty is the correct spelling). No, *Walt* Doherty. Google: walt doherty response time and you'll find lots of hits. ...phsiii (feeling pedantic today) (yeah, yeah -- Today??)
Re: Shop Z/Series as replacement to IBMLink?
I beg to differ, Jim. Many list subscribers and I still regularly use the old green-screen IBMLink and will continue to do so until they pry it from my cold, dead fingers. Stuff on 3270 screen can't be hidden behind things that you just have to try by trial and error (moving the cursor over text to find that you can magically click on it to drill deeper, magical combined keystrokes, etc.). IBMLink 2000 (by whatever name of the day) always makes me of one of the original PC games: Adventure. It was all text-based, you entered a room and had to tell it to do everything (look left, right, up, down, begin, ahead; take a step forward, pick up a PTF, beware of SPE's -- oops, ignore those last two, combining games!). I don't have time at work to play hide and seek with poorly designed web screens -- IBMLink classic (3270) continues to work great. **Please**, let's not digress into a discussion of PC games here -- been there, done that. Adventure was only mentioned for illustrative porpoises. Mike Walter Hewitt Associates The ideas herein are my own, not those of my employer. Jim Bohnsack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 07/27/2006 07:55 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: Shop Z/Series as replacement to IBMLink? Isn't the cludge (cludges) that has replaced the old, intuitive and extremely useful IBMLINK just wonderful!! :-o Jim At 08:09 PM 7/26/2006, you wrote: Hi, In trying to figure out how to use OBEYFILE, I've come across several indications that service may be required for TCP/IP on my z/VM 4.2 system. (TCPIP is at the 0101 level according to the NETSTAT LEVEL command.) Apparently there were numerous OBEYFILE problems in 4.2. I haven't done this kind of thing since I had access to IBMLink. When I go to the z/VM Home Page, it tells me to go to Shop Z/Series to find ptfs and apars. I've now registered for Shop z/Series, but for the life of me I can't figure out where to search for ptfs and apars. - Tom. Tom Cluster County of Sonoma Santa Rosa, CA (707) 565-3384 (Tuesdays and Wednesdays only) Jim Bohnsack Cornell Univ. (607) 255-1760 The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited.
Re: Shop Z/Series as replacement to IBMLink?
Mike--I thought that my posting was pretty obvious. Take another look at it. My problem is that somehow or the other, I can't seem to get what I remember as the old green-screen IBMLink anymore. I just get pointed to ServiceLink with only options for ETR and SIS. I used to have a lot more options than that. To put it more plainly, I don't like the new, improved way of doing things thru ServiceLink, ShopZseries, SUF and all of the other clever names someone in IBM thinks of. Jim At 11:01 AM 7/27/2006, you wrote: I beg to differ, Jim. Many list subscribers and I still regularly use the old green-screen IBMLink and will continue to do so until they pry it from my cold, dead fingers. Stuff on 3270 screen can't be hidden behind things that you just have to try by trial and error (moving the cursor over text to find that you can magically click on it to drill deeper, magical combined keystrokes, etc.). IBMLink 2000 (by whatever name of the day) always makes me of one of the original PC games: Adventure. It was all text-based, you entered a room and had to tell it to do everything (look left, right, up, down, begin, ahead; take a step forward, pick up a PTF, beware of SPE's -- oops, ignore those last two, combining games!). I don't have time at work to play hide and seek with poorly designed web screens -- IBMLink classic (3270) continues to work great. **Please**, let's not digress into a discussion of PC games here -- been there, done that. Adventure was only mentioned for illustrative porpoises. Mike Walter Hewitt Associates The ideas herein are my own, not those of my employer. Jim Bohnsack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 07/27/2006 07:55 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: Shop Z/Series as replacement to IBMLink? Isn't the cludge (cludges) that has replaced the old, intuitive and extremely useful IBMLINK just wonderful!! :-o Jim At 08:09 PM 7/26/2006, you wrote: Hi, In trying to figure out how to use OBEYFILE, I've come across several indications that service may be required for TCP/IP on my z/VM 4.2 system. (TCPIP is at the 0101 level according to the NETSTAT LEVEL command.) Apparently there were numerous OBEYFILE problems in 4.2. I haven't done this kind of thing since I had access to IBMLink. When I go to the z/VM Home Page, it tells me to go to Shop Z/Series to find ptfs and apars. I've now registered for Shop z/Series, but for the life of me I can't figure out where to search for ptfs and apars. - Tom. Tom Cluster County of Sonoma Santa Rosa, CA (707) 565-3384 (Tuesdays and Wednesdays only) Jim Bohnsack Cornell Univ. (607) 255-1760 The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. Jim Bohnsack Cornell Univ. (607) 255-1760
Re: Shop Z/Series as replacement to IBMLink?
To quote the pengiuns in Madagascar: This sucks. pause Lets go back. To put it more plainly, I don't like the new, improved way of doing things thru ServiceLink, ShopZseries, SUF and all of the other clever names someone in IBM thinks of.
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PS Some time ago I encouraged the IBMLINK developers to model the APAR/PTF search and ordering after services like Amazon. We would not call them PE's anymore, but would send people mail with recommendations like 85% of the people who applied this PTF also went to get this one... And it would not just be funny, but might actually be useful for searching APARs. I'd settle for a search engine that actually used some rational criteria about ranking results. It's not like such algorithms are unpublished, or have never been implemented... -- db
Re: Shop Z/Series as replacement to IBMLink?
I think it's hear, hear... (or maybe here, here, I'm not sure). Of course the very popular harrumph,harrumph (I didn't get a harrumph outta that guy) from Blazing Saddles would be appropriate as well. DJ Steve Gentry wrote: I agree, whole heartedly. I wish I could remember what the word or phrase that is uttered in the House of Lords or in Parliment when every one agrees with the speaker. I would insert that word/phrase here. David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 07/27/2006 10:27 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc: Subject:Re: Shop Z/Series as replacement to IBMLink? To quote the pengiuns in 'Madagascar': This sucks. pause Let's go back. To put it more plainly, I don't like the new, improved way of doing things thru ServiceLink, ShopZseries, SUF and all of the other clever names someone in IBM thinks of.
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Hear, hear! Paul Goodwin Manager, Recovery Operations SunGard Availability Services 5600 United Drive Smyrna, GA 30082 (770) 434-9988 x3791 Fax: (770) 863-3797 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Keeping People and Information Connected (TM) http://www.availability.sungard.com Steve Gentry Stephen_R_Gentry @LafayetteLife.co To mIBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Sent by: The IBM cc z/VM Operating SystemSubject [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: Shop Z/Series as replacement to ARK.EDU IBMLink? 07/27/2006 02:25 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System [EMAIL PROTECTED] ARK.EDU I agree, whole heartedly. I wish I could remember what the word or phrase that is uttered in the House of Lords or in Parliment when every one agrees with the speaker. I would insert that word/phrase here. David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc: Subject:Re: Shop 07/27/2006 10:27 AM Z/Series as replacement to Please respond to The IBM z/VM IBMLink? Operating System To quote the pengiuns in 'Madagascar': This sucks. pause Let's go back. To put it more plainly, I don't like the new, improved way of doing things thru ServiceLink, ShopZseries, SUF and all of the other clever names someone in IBM thinks of.
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On Thursday, 07/27/2006 at 02:47 EST, Mike Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, but Sir Alan, you miss the point. I enjoy and support new technology which improves our lives and makes us more productive (so we can waste more personal time watching movies and otherwise killing our brain cells). The IBMLink 2000 implementation was not new technology that improved our lives or made us more productive -- it appears to be new technology implemented for the sake of using new technology. Ah, but Sir Mike, cold, dead fingers were mentioned. As long as you're still looking for a Better Way, then I'm content. And, yes, applications get redesigned Just Because. If you're writing 3270 apps, you're, like, in Nowhereville, man. OTOH, if you've got mousable OK and CANCEL, with a pulldown and a radio button, you're totally rad. Did you really expect the IBMLink developers to not follow the bouncing ball? Why should the other B2B apps have all the fun? :-) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: Shop Z/Series as replacement to IBMLink?
Try this: http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/support/zseries/progportal/resolving.html click on 'APARs with PTF ordering'. Tom Cluster wrote: Hi, In trying to figure out how to use OBEYFILE, I've come across several indications that service may be required for TCP/IP on my z/VM 4.2 system. (TCPIP is at the 0101 level according to the NETSTAT LEVEL command.) Apparently there were numerous OBEYFILE problems in 4.2. I haven't done this kind of thing since I had access to IBMLink. When I go to the z/VM Home Page, it tells me to go to Shop Z/Series to find ptfs and apars. I've now registered for Shop z/Series, but for the life of me I can't figure out where to search for ptfs and apars. - Tom. Tom Cluster County of Sonoma Santa Rosa, CA (707) 565-3384 (Tuesdays and Wednesdays only) -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2007 - Green Bay, WI - May 18-22, 2007
Ibmlink?
Is ibmlink down : http://www.ibmlink.ibm.com or did they move and not tell me? Marcy Cortes This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation.
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Marcy, Try this link instead: https://www-306.ibm.com/ibmlink/link2/logon/logonPage.jsp Dennis Marcy Cortes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ellsfargo.com To Sent by: The IBM IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU z/VM Operating cc System [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject ARK.EDU Ibmlink? 06/27/2006 05:34 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System [EMAIL PROTECTED] ARK.EDU Is ibmlink down : http://www.ibmlink.ibm.com or did they move and not tell me? Marcy Cortes This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation.
Re: Ibmlink?
Try http://www.ibm.com/ibmlink/link2 Regards, Roger Bolan The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 06/27/2006 04:34:55 PM: Is ibmlink down : http://www.ibmlink.ibm.com or did they move and not tell me? Marcy Cortes
