RE: [IceHorses] Half Chaps for Short People
wow. i have some from bitofbritain.com that are zipper, and fit me fine - Lucky you. I can't count the number of brands that I've tried, and these are the first pair of zipper-half chaps I've found to fit at any price. My friend is the same height, but her legs are very thin and she's able to wear kid's large, maybe x-large. I haven't been so lucky. Ariat has finally started making some in short but they didn't fit either. I know there are some brands even pricier than the Tredsteps that come in many sizes, but I haven't been able either to find them to try on, or they didn't fit me. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/717 - Release Date: 3/10/2007 2:25 PM Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/9ZdxlB/TM ~- The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Icelandic Horse eats/kills rabbits
IMO the photo is a fake and likely the story too! Maybe - the Internet is full of hoaxes and scams. BUT, Cary and I saw my old QH gobble up a little live mouse that happened to get stuck in his feed bucket once. He just swallowed him whole. Granted, that was a small mouse, and I only saw him do that once, but it made me rethink what a horse might do. Maybe eating herring has given this horse a taste for meat. :) I would question how a horse is getting access to rabbits, IF it is true. Rabbits are pretty quick, and not so easy for a grass-predator to catch. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/717 - Release Date: 3/10/2007 2:25 PM
RE: [IceHorses] When I win the lottery...
'll come take some photos of you riding. ;) I want to meet your horses anyhow! Sure - but remember that I haven't won the lottery, so I'm not paying for pictures yet! I did coerce Cary into taking a few yesterday - but there was a 50M video of one of the cats on the card when I uploaded the pictures... And it wasn't even Carmen, the cat that step-paces. :) Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/717 - Release Date: 3/10/2007 2:25 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Re: [icehorsecolor] mars coat king
On 10/03/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And here is Nasi cleaned up. Janice yipie tie yie yo Isn't he a beauty? I love duns. We're supposed to be taking on my brother-in-law's half Fjord/half QH this spring and she's almost the same colour. BTW...I see you have the same trouble taking pics of your boys as I do. All I get is noses or eyes... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] a picture for Wanda and Raven
Beautiful! Thanks Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] Re: [icehorsecolor] mars coat king
Isn't he a beauty? I love duns. He is very pretty. I love duns too. They rate right up there with red bays, blacks, chestnuts, chestnut/flaxens, grays, dark bays, browns, palominos, silver dapples, red and white pintos, black and white pintos, s/d pintos, bay pintos... And among the duns, my favorites are red duns, blue duns, bay duns, silver dapple duns, and pinto duns. I'm VERY picky about my color preferences. I only buy horses of the above colors...well, except for the liver chestnut leopard App. He's very pretty too. :) Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/717 - Release Date: 3/10/2007 2:25 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Re: [icehorsecolor] mars coat king
We're supposed to be taking on my brother-in-law's half Fjord/half QH this spring and she's almost the same colour. Do you have pictures yet? Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/717 - Release Date: 3/10/2007 2:25 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Re: [icehorsecolor] mars coat king
He is very pretty. I love duns too. They rate right up there with red bays, blacks, chestnuts, chestnut/flaxens, grays, dark bays, browns, palominos, silver dapples, red and white pintos, black and white pintos, s/d pintos, bay pintos... And among the duns, my favorites are red duns, blue duns, bay duns, silver dapple duns, and pinto duns. I'm VERY picky about my color preferences. I only buy horses of the above colors...well, except for the liver chestnut leopard App. He's very pretty too. :) Oops, forgot to add another of my favorites: buckskins. :) Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/717 - Release Date: 3/10/2007 2:25 PM
[IceHorses] Sculptures
Here is a link to some pictures of sculptures done by an Icelandic horse owner in Saskatchewan... There are a few Icelandics in her work... http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Question for Ask Janice
On 3/10/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope the new people know we're mostly kidding about this stuff... Karen Thomas, NC speak for yourself karen! I know people who say they can't wait for me to show up on rides to see what my horses are wearing and to see what hairdo I have them in. I am in a sorta existentiaslistic Indian Spirit mode now. I am putting wild turkey feathers hanging by a haystring fluttering from my saddle dees. But I get mixed up and donny my husband says janice that is not a turkey feather it is a buzzard feather but so what, its the same thing really! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Half Chaps for Short People
I actually gave up on half chaps and instead went to covering my stirrup leathers in a sleeve of sheepskin. If you buy actual stirrup leather covers its very expensive! But if you buy a girth cover and cut it in half it works great! at least for me, a person who has always suffered from the state building the sidewalks too close to my rear end. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Horse Knowledge 1
Would Iowa be considered an SE zone? I am really interested in getting an icelandic horse or two, But between the saddle fit issues and the SE problem I am not sure if it will be feasable. 1. saddlefit is not an issue if you have a treeless. 2. Buy domestic and your SE potential goes down to a very low. 3. Look at horses to buy where you can see the parents to and ask lots of questions about SE. 4. I am glad you are here! Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] CUTEST PIC EVER!!
Now, about that horse...you DID tell Donny the horse is overbent, and he REALLY needed to work on that chair seatAnd I don't know about those spring action devices making that horse lift like that...tsk, tsk... well, I was gonna ask you guys for gait analysis but if you are gonna be so critical... Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Saga in turquoise
Karen, Raven posted this. Can't you make them?? They are 20 bucks australian, 18 bucks canadian. Does anyone know how much hat is? I must have them. They are too tacky to resist. I think that harness plume company could match them. http://tinyurl.com/3dc2ec janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] For Janice
On 3/10/07, Raven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Janice, Just for you!http://tinyurl.com/2q2qckhttp://tinyurl.com/3dc2ec oh my gosh I must have them I MUST. I might even wear them myself as half chaps! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Empathy for the Horse
You young mothers, teach your children! All children are cruel! I remember clearly the day I caught my daughter with my moms chihuahua, twisting its legs and the dog whimpered. I said WHAT ARE YOU DOING and she responded so cheerfully I am breaking hims legs! like that was a nice thing to do! I was horrified! I sat her down and said what would happen if I twisted your legs til it hurt and you cried??! and she got the point. I think you can teach empathy! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Empathy for the Horse
Let's put our thinking caps on and figure out why we'd support a program whose goals are not in the best interests of the horse (in other words, no empathy for the horse). why do we need to put on a thinking cap for that?!? We would need to put on a dunce cap for that! But I guess we need to figure out what is support. Like with the TWHBEA, And RHBAA, I am SO against them and everything they stand for, but I wanted to register my horses! You have to think of stuff like re-sale value etc. I am not a person who renews membership with them tho, nor with the USIHC registry either! I only renew membership with the McCurdy registry and the SSHBEA because I like what they do. They allow a horse to be what it is, recognize other gaits etc. For participation and renewed membership I will only give my money and support to a registry that doesnt believe in hurting horses. If there was another natural association for icelandics I would join and participate. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Eczema in Icelandic horses-Anneliese
When you say frequent baths, I would give clear water rinses for baths! I had a dog for many years with eczema, it was so heartbreaking and miserable. I finally found if I gave her a soapy bath less often it was better. I would just rinse her with cool water. Every day in summer. Only bathe her with soap once a month if that. I found bathing her with tar shampoo was good if her sores were wet, but if sores were dry and scaley, with oatmeal shampoos. Also I found I had to rinse her good if we went into a creek, even a nice clear flowing one, becauser apparently there was things in the water she was more allergic to. She would chew her paws til they bled. Anyway. I dont have experience with SE in horses but I sure do with dogs! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandics Dogs?
So ... is this something effected by their environment or is it common to the breed? Nancy I don't know. Our horses chase anything that comes into their pasture. Though I see this morning that they've come to some sort of agreement with the deer, as the deer are out with them right now. They used to love chasing deer. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] icelandic vs. other chickens
On Sat, 2007-03-10 at 07:49 -0600, Janice McDonald wrote: I have odd chickens and I order hatching eggs from all over the world and hatch them myself in my bedroom. then raise them. I have never seen an icelandic chicken or heard of one! Does anyone have a pic? My neighbors dog ate my golden phoenix rooster yesterday :( Here's some info on Icelandic chickens: http://feathersite.com/Poultry/CGD/Iceland/BRKIcelandic.html and a source for some: http://webpages.charter.net/sweetgaiafarm/ - right here in my corner of the world, raising Icelandic Chickens. :) and another farm with Viking Chickens (I keep thinking of that Viking Kittens You-Tube music video when I read 'Viking Chickens'. :) ) http://www.geocities.com/behlcascade/vikingchix.html My condolences on your rooster; I know how you feel. We have a coyote, a fisher, hawks, and neighbor dogs who all have had their go at our flock. At this point, I have three bantams left living in my basement until I can build Fort Clucks for them in the spring. :( -Dee
Re: [IceHorses] When I win the lottery...
On 3/10/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: awesome! What bloodline is brunka? She kinda has Nasi;s prehensile upper lip. Janice She's from the Icelandic Horse Farm. Her father is Segull, and her mom is named Leira, I think. Leira is a blue dun, btw, so I'm SURE that means she and Nasi are related! ;) that sorta longer top lip is something you see in iceys a lot! If you see that in other breeds it can mean parrot mouth or something so when I noticed nasi's I freaked out. But it is just his lip not his teeth! Then I noticed in pics it is a common trait. Like the low tailset. That is different than other horses too. But with nasi, he uses it to his advantage, to untie things, unhook things, like the little monkey he is. I need to quit thinking of him as a baby, he will be THREE May 1rst! Can you believe it!!?! And Teev will be TEN. I couldn't believe when I saw that on his papers. teev is my oldest horse! No wonder he is grumpy, he is like my husband, a middle aged, how did Karen describe him? Quiet? HA. Janice Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Half Chaps for Short People
On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 07:41:11AM -0400, Karen Thomas wrote: wow. i have some from bitofbritain.com that are zipper, and fit me fine - Lucky you. I can't count the number of brands that I've tried, and these are the first pair of zipper-half chaps I've found to fit at any price. have you checked the bitofbritain.com site for lendes? they seem to come as small as X by X (where X is calf width), and have an elastic panel to fit better. bitofbritain.com is also very nice about returns; i've sometimes bought two of something from there in different sizes and returned whatever didn't fit (one or both). i think that's where i got the nunn finer ones (which they don't seem to have anymore), but my gf (who is even shorter than i am and quite a bit heavier) has what i think are lendes. (i can ask, maybe they're tredsteps :) for $140 you can also get custom-made half chaps from www.customchap.com (i now want ones with a star on them, for stjarni). i admit the purple ones were a bit of luck. my trainer (whose colors are gold and purple) was green with envy ;) --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Re: [icehorsecolor] mars coat king
On 11/03/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're supposed to be taking on my brother-in-law's half Fjord/half QH this spring and she's almost the same colour. Do you have pictures yet? Not recent ones. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] braid ideas
On Sat, 2007-03-10 at 10:33 -0600, Janice McDonald wrote: With summer its time to braid when it gets hot! Here are two pics of Gallant Boys braids. I have no new ideas, but I love that he looks like he's smiling. :) -Dee
Re: [IceHorses] Question for Ask Janice
Can we have another picture of your fur-trimmed plaid Elmer Fudd hat? It is SO right with your Carhartt outfit! The hat it matches best is my new Driza-Bone Aussie jacket. Which I'm using for 'good' until someday I forget and get some sort of horse stuff smeared on it. That jacket is the absolute best. I've worn it all winter and was as warm as could be. The pockets are gigantic. I was looking for a dog treat the other day, and came up with a CD and the charger to my cell phone. If I dug a little deeper I'm sure I could the half-chaps that I've been looking for. Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] When I win the lottery...
And Teev will be TEN. I couldn't believe when I saw that on his papers. teev is my oldest horse! No wonder he is grumpy, he is like my husband, a middle aged, how did Karen describe him? Quiet? HA. Janice, think about it a minute. I have EITILL to compare him to. Tivvy is VERY quiet... Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/717 - Release Date: 3/10/2007 2:25 PM
Re: [IceHorses] When I win the lottery...
that sorta longer top lip is something you see in iceys a lot! If you see that in other breeds it can mean parrot mouth or something so when I noticed nasi's I freaked out. But it is just his lip not his teeth! Ya...Dagur is a Segull son too. Next time I send in a pic of him, notice his lip. It's always sticking out. It's something he does when he's concentrating That lip does come in handy though, I've watched him unlatch a gate with it. Lucky he's so handsome though Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Horse Knowledge 1
Would Iowa be considered an SE zone? I am really interested in getting an icelandic horse or two, But between the saddle fit issues and the SE problem I am not sure if it will be feasable. Thanks. Karen Harris Iowa Hi Karen: Have you spoken with Doug and Jennifer Hamilton? They are in Iowa (Fairfield, I think, not sure). They used to import a lot of horses from Iceland. I remember Jennifer telling me that ALL the imports get SE sooner or later. They may have had a run of real bad luck but it tells me that at least where they are they have a lot of bugs. But don't let that deter you from buying and Icelandic. Saddle fit issues are not any worse for this breed than with any other horse. It may seem so on this list. But saddle fit is discussed a lot on this list only because we have a good number of member here who are really concerned about saddle fit and care about the wellbeing of their horses. And you don't have to buy an import. There are now a good number of domestically bred Icelandics available. And those don't get SE. So go and see the Hamiltons, they will introduce you to the breed. Anneliese
RE: [IceHorses] Horse Knowledge 1
But don't let that deter you from buying and Icelandic. Saddle fit issues are not any worse for this breed than with any other horse. It may seem so on this list. But saddle fit is discussed a lot on this list only because we have a good number of member here who are really concerned about saddle fit and care about the wellbeing of their horses. That's probably pretty valid. I DO think that Icelandics are somewhat harder to fit as a rule because they are generally wide and short-backed, but I'd say that most horses, all breeds, are still being ridden in less-than-great fitting saddles. Saddle fit is a science that only seems to have started moving forward over maybe the last 10 years or so. The double-whammy with Icelandic's is that many of the traditional Icelandic saddles seem to have been especially narrow, and especially long, even compared to other European made English-style saddles, even the ones made by the well-known names. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/717 - Release Date: 3/10/2007 2:25 PM Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/9ZdxlB/TM ~- The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed
The one issue that we do have is the mane and forelock.they break off and we can not get their mane and forelock to grow long as it should be in our areain other areas of the island it grows well, but not where Salkly and I live. Its hard to look at our Stallions picture in Iceland, with all his mane and now look at him...its only about 6 -8 inches long, half the length or more than it was before herewe are trying MTG to see if that helpsits really a cosmetic thing, but it bothers us. Storme: Have you tried feeding your horses ground flax seed? That is very helpful for a good coat and nice mane and tail. About 1/2 - 2/3 cup or so per day will do it. Anneliese
RE: [IceHorses] When I win the lottery...
Ya...Dagur is a Segull son too. Next time I send in a pic of him, notice his lip. It's always sticking out. It's something he does when he's concentrating Yes, Brunka thinks with her lip too! Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/717 - Release Date: 3/10/2007 2:25 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Question for Ask Janice
speak for yourself karen! I know people who say they can't wait for me to show up on rides to see what my horses are wearing and to see what hairdo I have them in. I am in a sorta existentiaslistic Indian Spirit mode now. I am putting wild turkey feathers hanging by a haystring fluttering from my saddle dees. But I get mixed up and donny my husband says janice that is not a turkey feather it is a buzzard feather but so what, its the same thing really! Janice You really should get the rainbow tie-dyed leg wraps and use them for half-chaps. They would SO complete the look with your new tie-dyed dressage breeches! ;) Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/717 - Release Date: 3/10/2007 2:25 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Icelandics Dogs?
So ... is this something effected by their environment or is it common to the breed? My Icelandic's seem to be pretty oblivious/tolerant to dogs and cats. I'd say they are no different from other breeds - maybe better, in that overall the breed isn't as spooky as many hotter breeds. I don't think what you're seeing is a breed thing. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/717 - Release Date: 3/10/2007 2:25 PM Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/9ZdxlB/TM ~- The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[IceHorses] Question about Parelli game
The games have been going great--then, the last few times I've played with Orri he's been acting paranoid about the CS. He's responding to the games with my hands but as soon as the CS lifts he starts getting nervous. I'm not doing anything with it that I would think conveys any reason for him to be scaredwhy was he OK before and now he isn't? Knowing he shouldn't be afraid of the Carrot stick I've given him lots of 'room' with the 12' line while I ignore him and play with my stickhe seems to get upset with the rhythmic motion of the stick. He will allow me to throw the string over his back but acts like it's on fire! I've never hurt him with the stick, or threatened him with the stick, but for some reason he thinks he has to move, and fast, if I start moving the stick with rhythmic motion. Last night when I put him back in his stall he went right to the back like he was afraid of me. I went and got some carrots and coaxed him over by putting them in his feed dish one by one--all the time with my stick visable and moving. He eventually settled and ignored the stick so obviously the carrots took over. :D I've been watching the Parelli tapes, etc and see that the horses are sometimes afraid of the stick, but they eventually get over it. Why would Orri get worse with it not better? Anyone doing Parelli games notice their Icelandics react differently than the 'big' horses most Parelli students play with? Orri is reacting very well to all the games when I use my hands--it's just the stick when I want to play Friendly with it that he gets all bothered. I hope I'm not messing him up. V
Re: [IceHorses] dappled palomino pants
On 3/10/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are my excellently dyed palomino dappled sooty gene riding breeches. They look tie-dye...you could add more color if you wanted to get extreme! V
Re: [IceHorses] GB and the mares
On 3/10/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He was good, but geez, i dont know if he can take the excitement if we do it again. Sounds like it went well! V
Re: [IceHorses] Question about Parelli game
Anyone doing Parelli games notice their Icelandics react differently than the 'big' horses most Parelli students play with? Orri is reacting very well to all the games when I use my hands--it's just the stick when I want to play Friendly with it that he gets all bothered. I hope I'm not messing him up. V We haven't done any official parelli games with Dagur but your experience with Orri reminds me so much of Dagur that it's uncanny. I think with Orri, he's just being overfaced a bit. Back off, and go back to something that he's comfortable with ... even if it's the most mundane thing. I think what worked with Dagur was that he needed to increase his confidence in us. Plus when I look back now, Dagur was just to immature emotionally to move forward. The extra year we gave him due to other things going on that gave us no time for training was a blessing for him. Just keep puttering away with Orri, leave things for a few days and then go back to something that was comfortable for him. Oh ... we also clicker train with Dagur and that instant reassurance seems to help his confidence. Just my two cents on what worked by Dagur... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] braid ideas
On 11/03/07, Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/10/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With summer its time to braid when it gets hot! Here are two pics of Gallant Boys braids. Any other ideas? Very nicely done! I just do plain braids on Gat, but use colorful elastics. V A few years ago, someone had done a great job of braiding (Andrea Barber???) She started out with a series of pony tails all along the mane close to the roots... And then started another series of pony tails from those by separating the pony tails at the rools. It created a loose open net effect. I wish I had pictures. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] GB and the mares
On 11/03/07, Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/10/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He was good, but geez, i dont know if he can take the excitement if we do it again. Sounds like it went well! V I think it would do an old stallion some good to think he could still work some ladies into a frenzy... Wanda
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Re: [IceHorses] Question about Parelli game
On 3/11/07, Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just keep puttering away with Orri, leave things for a few days and then go back to something that was comfortable for him. Thanks Wanda. That makes sense. I expect with time he'll figure out I'm not that scary! V
Re: [IceHorses] braid ideas
On 3/11/07, Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And then started another series of pony tails from those by separating the pony tails at the rools. It created a loose open net effect. I wish I had pictures. It's called a continental braid. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Horse_with_plaited_mane.jpg Not a terribly good job, but you get the idea. It's *simple* to do, much easier than the traditional braids done on show horses. (I've been considering show grooming again and practicing braiding, I've decided it's not worth it!) Steph -- Brutality begins where skill ends. Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels. Von Niendorff
Re: [IceHorses] Half Chaps for Short People
On 3/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: have you checked the bitofbritain.com site for lendes? they seem to come as small as X by X (where X is calf width), and have an elastic panel to fit better. bitofbritain.com is also very nice about returns; Count thyself lucky you haven't had problems with returns. They are not a company I enjoy dealing with, and I won't give them my debit card under any conditions. BOB and Tack Of The Day (A BOB Site) aren't enjoyable to deal with for me... Steph -- Brutality begins where skill ends. Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels. Von Niendorff
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandics Dogs?
handful of Icelandics that we know (about 6 animals) are all very aggressive with dogs. My Huginn hateshates dogs! He tolerates my dogs, cuz I have told him in no uncertain terms that my dogs are off limits. When other riders bring their dogs on trail, I always warn them that Huginn does not like dogs and has kicked in the past. Thank goodness he has never made contact with a dog!! Raven Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn, the American Ice Pony Dixie Chic, the Barn Goddess
Re: [IceHorses] Question about Parelli game
The games have been going great--then, the last few times I've played with Orri he's been acting paranoid about the CS. He's responding to the games with my hands but as soon as the CS lifts he starts getting nervous. I'm not doing anything with it that I would think conveys any reason for him to be scaredwhy was he OK before and now he isn't? Virginia That's weird Virginia, I have the opposite problem with most Icelandics. They are so unafraid of me waving things at them that I have a hard time getting them to move from the motion of the stick. Orri may be different if he were aggressively trained to lunge with a whip. Does your present trainer lunge him? He just may asume the carrot stick is a lunge whip and he needs to move. It is strange that he is ok sometimes but not others. Don't progress to any of the driving games until he is completely comfortable with the stick being rubbed all over him and then when you do start the driving games, make sure you rub him with the stick after each drive. When I worked with a fairly wild Icelandic import, I started with my hand about 3/4 of the way down the stick (less stick toward the horse) and kept the excess close to me. He may also be more comfortable if you approach him with the stick close to your body and stay close to him as you work the stick with gentle motions up his legs or over his body (start with the area he's most comfortable with). This would be less like lunging, where the trainer would stand back and wave the stick. Use smaller movements than you have been. If he's still having trouble with the pressure, you could combine clicking with the pressure release. Cherie
RE: [IceHorses] UPDATE FROM ICELAND - Possible cure for eczema in Icelandic horses
At 16:08 8.3.2007, you wrote: That would be lovely - where can we volunteer to participate in the study? The article states 20 - 30 percent of exported Icelandic come down with SE. HAHAHHA - DON'T we all wish that were true! 70-80% is a much better guestimate. Anneliese it all depends on where you live and how you take care of for example in holland close 80% develop eczema if the horse isn´t taken care of in Sweden around 20-30% if you don´t take care of it and I think it´s even less in Norway in Germany I think it´s like in Sweden. Regards Malin In Iceland
[IceHorses] Icelandics and Dogs?
That's what we all sort of figured. That since all these horses grew up on the same farm and they are all aggressive with dogs, that it is a learned behavior. One of the owners thinks there were a lot of coyotes there. As far as I could tell, the horses were always turned out on beautiful safely-fenced open hillside pastures with no shelters. They had wonderful views. Maybe they could see the coyotes coming. Every one of them will attack a dog with front feet and teeth. Yrsa sure taught my big lab puppy to stay out of the barnyard. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandics Dogs?
My mare Lilja and her filly Roka could care less about dogs. Two Great Pyrenees sleep around and under the horses all the time. My other mare, Mura does not like dogs, but I think the reason is she came from a farm that had yappy little terriers snapping around the horses' legs all the time. My bosse's Paso Fino really dislikes dogs and chases them if they get too close. Cherie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0It09A/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/9ZdxlB/TM ~- The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Re: [icehorsecolor] mars coat king
--- Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here is a pic of my Tivar cleaned up. You can see the line where I clipped him underneath so it shows he isn't completely done shedding! Janice -- He looks gorgeous as usual. Lorraine Happy Southwestern Trails Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
RE: [IceHorses] Promotion of the Breed/SE
..I think that those with SE should not be breed if it is such a big issue they have tried that in Sweden (stallions with SE are not allowed to stand at stud ) and in researches they show it is not genetic it´s only about where you happens to be born there are not a higher % of eczema offsprings from SE parents VS not SE parents. Just the same as other breeds. regards Malin
RE: [IceHorses] braid ideas
A few ideas... http://www.haflingerhorses.com/braids.htm Karen Thomas, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Question for Ask Janice
On 3/11/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You really should get the rainbow tie-dyed leg wraps and use them for half-chaps. They would SO complete the look with your new tie-dyed dressage breeches! ;) Don't enable her... she gets into enough trouble as it is... ;) I think I know where to send my 80's tie dyed T-shirts I don't wear anymore, though! Steph -- Brutality begins where skill ends. Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels. Von Niendorff
RE: [IceHorses] Question about Parelli game
Orri is reacting very well to all the games when I use my hands--it's just the stick when I want to play Friendly with it that he gets all bothered. To me, that's your answer for the time being anyway. Do what works, and come back to the other things a little later. Take some time and savor your successes, and don't let yourself or the horse get frustrated! You're doing fine. :) Karen Thomas, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] braid ideas
And then started another series of pony tails from those by separating the pony tails at the rools. It created a loose open net effect. I wish I had pictures. I think that's a pretty common way of braiding Arabian manes, or the breeds where trimming and pulling manes is frowned upon - I think I have some pics somewhere in one of my grooming books. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Re: [icehorsecolor] mars coat king-what is that?
--- Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/03/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're supposed to be taking on my brother-in-law's half Fjord/half QH this spring and she's almost the same colour. Help. What is a mars coat king? Lorraine Happy Southwestern Trails Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
RE: [IceHorses] Question about Parelli game
The games have been going great--then, the last few times I've played with Orri he's been acting paranoid about the CS. He's responding to the games with my hands but as soon as the CS lifts he starts getting nervous. I'm not doing anything with it that I would think conveys any reason for him to be scaredwhy was he OK before and now he isn't? I'm sure he has a reason - too bad they can't tell us what. In a case like this, rather than getting obsessed with the carrot stick, why not just drop the issue for a while? Do whatever you can to get his trust back...and watch for clues for what really might be bothering him. There have been times when I couldn't see an issue and couldn't see it - then boom, one day it would hit me like a ton of brick what the problem was. Personally, I don't think there's a thing wrong with avoiding a problem - for the short term. Sure, you want to work through all the holes in a horse's training eventually, but you have time - and I know you think that too. Thousands and thousands of people find success in following Parelli's program by the book...but don't forget that many, many horses do well with other gentle, common sense approaches. I use parts of the Parelli program, but in the situation you described, I wouldn't be opposed to hiding the carrot stick for a while, if that helps. You can always try it again when your and his confidence comes back. If you're doing something wrong, or are reminding him of a bad past experience, you might be better off just to avoid the issue for a while. A couple of clues in making a success with ANY program, Parelli's or others: don't be a perfectionist. And don't be afraid to take some time and just observe and think about all your options. Those have been two of my problems over the years. Sometimes I've been surprised to find that when I have had the most success working through an issue - well, often the solution has been doing less but thinking - and feeling - more. Anyone doing Parelli games notice their Icelandics react differently than the 'big' horses most Parelli students play with? I think every horse is different. You'll find some of all kinds in every breed. The good thing about the Parelli program is that it's so organized that they can make it into a step-by-step program. The bad thing about the Parelli is that it's organized into a step-by-step program. :) In other words, it's great for most horses, most of the time...but there's no way that anyone can make ANY program work equally well for all the horses with all the possible baggage they may bring to the table. That takes knowing each horse and taking your time to think about what may make your horse different from the average. If I were you, I'd stick with it - but I wouldn't be opposed to taking a break now and then. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Question about Parelli game
On 3/11/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I were you, I'd stick with it - but I wouldn't be opposed to taking a break now and then. I only play once a week--should I break more than that? V
Re: [IceHorses] Eczema in Icelandic horses-Anneliese
. I've just ordered some Flygone and SDS from SaddleUpTack, just in case. What brand is the Thuya Zinc ointment? Is it a homeopathic? I've used Thuja for detox after vaccines but never thought about it for the skin Just received a catalog from a company called Springtime which has lots of testimonials regarding it's garlic product for horsesalthough garlic has never worked for me for keeping the dogs flea-free. Trish Hello Trish: Idon't see the point paying for the shipment of mostly water, so I usually buy concentrates. Jeffers carries the Flygone as well at the Repel-Xp which is a concentrate, the Flygone is not. The Thuja Zinc Oxide Ointment is not a homeopathic. Jeffers used to carry it but hasn't in a while. I get it from my vet, it's made by Vedco. I feel it is very good on many types lesions. It's very sticky, so it stays on for a while. I tried the garlic powder from Springtime for two summers and did not see any results. You must use your own judgement. Anneliese
Re: [IceHorses] Taking the Icelandics on a trip
Lorraine, thanks for the new photo for my Icelandics Around the World webpage. www.toltallyice.com/IcelandicHorsePhotos.html Please take some photos of your horses in the Sedona area for my webpage! I've been to Sedona once and I LOVE the Red Rock Country. It is my place. Tell Carla Hello! I met her once many years ago at Albany. Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com Idaho
Re: [IceHorses] Re: [icehorsecolor] mars coat king-what is that?
Help. What is a mars coat king? Lorraine http://www.groomersmall.com/coat_kings.htm#TripleWide Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Question about Parelli game
Virginia Tupper wrote: The games have been going great--then, the last few times I've played with Orri he's been acting paranoid about the CS. Do you let him sniff/mouth the CS? When my two start to look a little worried about it I let them sniff it, mouth it. Starri gives it a good bite and then spits it out and all is well. Kopar wriggles his nose all over it. Trish
Re: [IceHorses] Question about Parelli game
On 3/11/07, pippa258 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you let him sniff/mouth the CS? Yes--he sniffs it, nibbles it with his lips. Virginia
Re: [IceHorses] Mountain Goats
On 11/03/07, pippa258 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is nice looking hay you've got there Wanda! Do you grow your own? Is it timothy? Timothy and brome Wanda
[IceHorses] question - trot poles
I want to set up some trot poles in the yard to play with now that the time has changed. How far apart do you recommend spacing them. Thanks, Renee
[IceHorses] SE
I don't know about you guys but I am proactive in preventing summer eczema in my 4 imports in NC. I started stabling at dawn and dusk today. (before any signs of a problem). I normally start when the time changes or when it has been warm for several days in a row. It was 74 degrees here today. I am committed to slow gradual exposure. So far, so good. In a couple of weeks I will start spraying with flygone every am. I am always home before dark with the time change so I just spray once daily. Renee
Re: [IceHorses] Taking the Icelandics on a trip
We are going to Sedona and ride the trails. I will send pictures. It is very beautiful there. Lots of red rocks. Lorraine I used to live out there and was Assistant Manager at the riding and boarding stable out there. If you get a chance, go ride the Coconino National Forest trails that start next to Kachina Stables (not sure if it's called that anymore, but it should be the only stable near there). Trail C is a nice 1 hour trail but 2 hour Trail A is awesome. It goes along the tops of the desert bluffs, winds down into the trees, and crosses the Verde River several times. The trails are well kept but pretty rugged. The end of Trail A is up a winding, steep hill called Horse Killer (it's not that bad, we took dude rides out there.) Trail R is 4 hours, but to get down into the canyon, the horses have to go down a series of wide steps. If you take O you'll get lost (unless they've marked it better)! I'm jealous, enjoy! Cherie
Re: [IceHorses] Question about Parelli game
On 3/11/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To me, that's your answer for the time being anyway. Do what works, and come back to the other things a little later. Take some time and savor your successes, and don't let yourself or the horse get frustrated! I think that's what I'll do. V
Re: [IceHorses] braid ideas
On 3/11/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few ideas... http://www.haflingerhorses.com/braids.htm Wow! How beautiful! V
RE: [IceHorses] question - trot poles
Hi Renee I want to set up some trot poles in the yard to play with now that the time has changed. How far apart do you recommend spacing them. Generally 4' - 4 1/2' depending on your horse. Watch him go through them and ideally you want the foot to land in the middle between the poles. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
[IceHorses] Prey/Predator
Musing on the subject of prey/predator. Little me, the ' scary predator' with a measly orange stick, scaring a strong, young and healthy horse who has a big attitude with larger horses than himself, is the dominant horse in the field over all. He could kick me, run me over, bite me--I'm just a wimpy 51 yr old woman who aches all over that just wants to hug and kiss her pony and go for long rides and feed him treats. If horses know what happens before it happens and can read us like books, etc etc etc--then why doesn't my young handsome steed read the truth of me? There's nothing to fear from me and my stupid stick. Sheesh. V
[IceHorses] Mountain Goats
Gosh Trish, That makes me feel a lot better about my poorly groomed horses. In my horse show days, I wouldn't have considered riding a horse with even a fleck of dirt on him. Now I have, upon occassion, gone out on my horse with mud still on his legs, knowing he's going to be even muddier before we get back. Today, however, it's a gorgeous 75 degrees and he actually got a nice warm shower - all the mud was washed away at least for awhile. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Taking the Icelandics on a trip
How exciting! Have fun and looking forward to the photos. Raven
Re: [IceHorses] Prey/Predator
--- Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the Parelli list it was worded as 'bribery' when I was feeding carrot chips and holding the stick. So what if it is a bribe. Why does the word bribe have to have a negative connotation? I get bribed at work to do my job, only I don't call it a bribe, I call it a paycheck. You can give your horse a paycheck, too. I also get bonuses, so the horse can, too. Listen to your heart, Virginia, and don't get sidetracked by negative people who want you to do it their way. Susan in NV Happy High Desert Trails Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front
Re: [IceHorses] Prey/Predator
On 3/11/07, susan cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Listen to your heart, Virginia, Thank you. I needed to hear that. V
Re: [IceHorses] Prey/Predator
Virginia Tupper wrote: Well, the more I see that this isn't working for us the more I'm thinking of the clicker. On the Parelli list it was worded as 'bribery' when I was feeding carrot chips and holding the stick. V Have you seen the video under Savvy Tips entitled Injection Savvy? Pat says in the video to use treats to cause it to be a conditioned response for a good thing, not a bad thing (i.e, alcohol swab the neck, give him an apple; alcohol swab, give carrot or molasses; don't just swab and stick the needle in). Seems like he uses treats when he needs to! Try searching dolphin in the Savvy Forum. In the April 2006 issue of the Savvy Times, there was a write-up regarding Linda's visit to the Discovery Cove and working with the dolphin trainer, Lynne Eisenhardt. Lynne is also a PNH student. There was a quote from Pat saying If a team of behavioral scientists had to rank dog trainers, dolphin trainers, and horse trainers, who would they they put first and who last? Training dolphins would have to be the most challenging and therefore produce the best methods, because when Flipper doesn't want to interact, what would you do?! The article said that Lynne did a presentation drawing parallels between the Parelli program and training dolphins. In their first year, all the trainers do is observe behavior and spend undemanding time playing with the dolphins and gaining their confidence...the endpoint being it's not really about the ride. Everyone wants to ride the dolphins. It's having it happen where the dolphin also enjoys it that's the goal. I found it interesting that not once in this article was the clicker mentioned though! That would not be good for their marketing I think! Trish
RE: [IceHorses] Prey/Predator
Hi Virginia, Musing on the subject of prey/predator. Little me, the ' scary predator' with a measly orange stick, scaring a strong, young and healthy horse who has a big attitude with larger horses than himself, is the dominant horse in the field over all. I have such a hard time with the prey/predator model and instead I ask people to consider whether they are threatening/ or non-threatening. I have watched lions walk through a herd of gazelles and if the lions weren't hungry, the gazelles paid little mind. However, there is a different kind of threatening posture, essence etc that happens when a lion is in the stalking mode. Clearly you are, for whatever reason, a threat to him when the string is flipping over his back. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that the horse should know that sometimes when you flick with the string, plastic bag or whatever the tool of choice, they should stand still and other times they should move. The other aspect I have problems with is the labeling of horses - dominant , alpha etc. What makes you feel that Orri is 'dominant'? The interesting aspect to beings in general is that context makes a big different. In one situation a horse may be in one position in the hierarchy and in another herd or situation a different position. I would definitely consider clicker training, it gives a big motivation for the horse and you don't have to do only clicker training - you can use it for some situations and not others. Someone said follow your heart and that is really important because no matter what anyone else tells you to do, IF you don't feel right about doing it, or don't like the result I don't think it will work for you. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
Re: [IceHorses] Mountain Goats
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gosh Trish, That makes me feel a lot better about my poorly groomed horses. In my horse show days, I wouldn't have considered riding a horse with even a fleck of dirt on him. Now I have, upon occassion, gone out on my horse with mud still on his legs, knowing he's going to be even muddier before we get back. Today, however, it's a gorgeous 75 degrees and he actually got a nice warm shower - all the mud was washed away at least for awhile. I know! My first two horses really gleamed and their braids were ever so tidy ;-) . Now, it's a quick brush and we'll get the mud off when we get back! Trish
Re: [IceHorses] Mountain Goats
Cherie Mascis wrote: Fjords are usually quite useful and mellow, trail horses, are you sure it was a Fjord? Also, what did they braid on a Fjord? Usually their manes are cut in a fancy mohawk. His tail and forelock (went down to his nose). Yes, defnitely a Fjord. He had the mohawk with the black stripe in the middle. I guess he wasn't mellow enough for her! Trish
[IceHorses] Svertla's day out
Pictures of Cary working with Svertla. Occasionally, I had to remind him that accomplishing the task wasn't as important as doing it in a relaxed easy way, but basically, I think he's catching on pretty well. He's new to this sort of early-level training. They both enjoyed the walk on the trail. Karen Thomas, NC You're invited to view these photos online at KODAK EASYSHARE Gallery! Just click on View Photos to get started. http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=4jh0nhxz.9mzjv29vx=0y=nkr4ze If you'd like to save this album, just sign in, or if you're new to the Gallery, create a free account. Once you've signed in, you'll be able to view this album whenever you want and order Kodak prints of your favorite photos. Enjoy! Instructions: Click view photos to begin. If you're an existing member you'll be asked to sign in. If not, you can join the Gallery for free. http://www.kodakgallery.com/Register.jsp Questions? Visit http://help.kodakgallery.com. EASYSHARE Gallery Customer Service Phone: (800) 360-9098 Outside the US and Canada: (512) 651-9770 If you cannot see the links above, copy and paste the following URL directly into your browser: http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=4jh0nhxz.9mzjv29vx=0y=nkr4ze
Re: [IceHorses] Eczema in Icelandic horses-Anneliese
On 3/11/07 8:38 AM, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you say frequent baths, I would give clear water rinses for baths! Janice: I don't always use shampoo either; and when I do, I often use iodine shampoo. Basically I use shampoo only when they are really icky. Anneliese
RE: [IceHorses] Svertla's day out
Hi Karen, What a great playground you have both man made and natural obstacles. T-shirt weather - something we are getting closer to but still a bit of a dream. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
Re: [IceHorses] O/T Mandy
On 11/03/07, Robyn Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, For those of you who know her, our daughter, Mandy is getting married on May 5th in California. Congratulations! How nice for all of you. Best wishes to her and Walt. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] O/T Mandy
Congratulations! And best wishes for Mandy and Walt! Cheryl Sand Creek Icelandic Sheepdogs Website: www.sandcreekicelandics.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Me and my beast
Orri is a gorgeous pony! Cherie
Re: [IceHorses] Prey/Predator
I have a horse that I worked for months to teach her using the Parelli method of training. I finally gave in a taught her Parelli using the clicker. Go ahead and use the clicker. It is a wonderful teach method. I have gotten the same thing from time to time depending on who you talk to. Anytime I have something new to teach I get a clicker. Sherrel
Re: [IceHorses] Me and my beast
http://www.virginiatupper.com/17orri.html HHH!!! You are scarry! Sherrel (just kidding) :-)
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandics Dogs?
My icey attaches dogs, always has. I ask a breeder about it and he told me that icelandics just hate dogs. But I was also told that Iceland has no natural predators so how would they know or learn this? Stigandi stomped one of my miniature pinschers years ago. He (the dog) lived and his only injury was a broken toe. Stigandi attacked my dobe very recently and then a few day later I saw him chasing a black dog (not my dog) across the pasture, both running hard. But he did not get the dog because I saw the dog again a day or so later laying in the pasture with the horses. But I have not seen him (the dog) since so I don't know if Stigandi hurt him and he crawled off and died or just went home since the horse was not going to play nice. Sherrel
RE: [IceHorses] question - trot poles
I want to set up some trot poles in the yard to play with now that the time has changed. How far apart do you recommend spacing them. It will depend on the horse's stride, but generally about 3.5-4 feet apart. I just step them off, assuming a stride is 3 feet, then add a few inches. When I rode Joe and Sundance, both over 16H, I aimed for four feet. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[IceHorses] Hand walking the mares
It was groundwork day again. We have several mares who are either returning to work after maternity leave, or being prepared to go under saddle. Cary took Brunka and Saga for walks on the trail, each alone, to see if we can find any holes before riding them out on the trail alone. Both do fine ridden out in a group, and did fine being led out alone. Svertla, the mare who Janice helped us get last May (from the prior starvation home) is officially out of quarantine from the rabies exposure she got at that awful woman's home. She's plenty old enough (almost 7) to be ridden, but considering the shape she was in, then the winter weather, we haven't asked much of her, only playing a little ground work with her here and there. Today she got a good bit of attention. Cary wants to start doing more groundwork and basic training, but, let's just say his finesse skills need a little polishing. He spent a good bit of time with Svertla, with me offering suggestions. A few times he wanted to pull her over obstacles she wasn't sure about, and I had to keep reminding him that we were mainly interested in a positive experience, not raw results. Overall, he's doing a lot better though. You can tell that Svertla grew up (her first two years) at Unicorn Valley. She's a trail horse at heart already, not scared of any of the natural - and not many man-made - obstacles she encountered. She never missed a stride stepping over logs on the trail, and one was probably 18 - she just walked right over it. Too bad she was neglected for four years - she could be so far along now. I thank my lucky stars that she was only neglected though. Abused or mistreated horses are MUCH harder to deal with from a training viewpoint. She slipped just a tad going over the ditch into the woods. That unnerved her just a little so she got a couple of do-overs until she was fully comfortable. It wasn't really dangerously slick, just typical of what you might encounter on even an easy trail. On the way back to the house, she didn't miss a stride going over the ditch. Been there, done that... There was an old rusty silo on the farm and Cary pushed it to the edge of the trail, for a scary trail obstacle. So far, we haven't found an Icelandic who's very worried about it. Svertla only had to look at it about two seconds before she touched it. He also hung an old gate out along the trail so we can practice opening an unimportant gate from horseback. You may see that when I post the link to the pictures. Svertla wasn't TOO sure about walking over the teeter-totter bridge in the obstacle area...but as soon as Cary put a handful of grass on it, it was a done deal. The biggest worry in the obstacle course was the tacky white flower whirly-gig. She wasn't so sure about that, but eventually crossed the blue tarp on the ground beside it - that took her a couple of minutes to find the courage to do. So many horses and so little time. I'm uploading some pictures of Svertla, and will post a link later. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Mountain Goats
I've attached pics of both her and Peppy who have tremendous goat beards. She's still very pretty Wanda. For those of you who don't know it, 23-year-old Kria is the mother of 15-year-old chestnut/flaxen Saga, whose picture (in turquoise) I posted yesterday. Tifa is Saga's baby, Kria's granddaughter. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Prey/Predator
So what if it is a bribe. Why does the word bribe have to have a negative connotation? I get bribed at work to do my job, only I don't call it a bribe, I call it a paycheck. You can give your horse a paycheck, too. I also get bonuses, so the horse can, too. Listen to your heart, Virginia, and don't get sidetracked by negative people who want you to do it their way. Because a bribed horse is just one step away from being a spoiled horse. Sure, maybe it doesn't HAVE to be that way, but too often it does work that way. For those of you who are clicker training, I'd ask you how long you've been doing it? Are you SURE you aren't going to regret it somewhere down the road? Are you moderating it such that it won't be overbearing to a future owner if you ever have to sell your horse? Does your horse live by the clicker - do you depend on it to teach most things? I've been around a few clicker-trained horses that just wear me out. Motivation is one thing, a good thing, but it CAN go to far. I don't think there is a single training method without its pitfalls, and possible misapplication. In my experience, c/t is no exception. Just beware. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Prey/Predator
Well, the more I see that this isn't working for us the more I'm thinking of the clicker. On the Parelli list it was worded as 'bribery' when I was feeding carrot chips and holding the stick. I'm going to take an unpopular stand, at least on this list. I simply don't care for the clicker as a primary training method. I've used a clicker in a few situations for a few horses, with ok results. I may use it again sometimes - sparingly. I'm sure that some people can do it better than I can. But, I have not seen a horse yet who's been extensively clicker trained who's not overly treat-oriented - many even rude. I like for a horse to be motivated to learn, but that is certainly achievable with other training methods. Ultimately, I do think clicker training has at least an element of bribery to it. Maybe that's ok sometimes, but I'd just rather not go there if I don't have to. Ok - I said it...and I mean it. Sometimes, I think it's ok to wing it for a while when you are uncertain, without using ANY method. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Svertla's day out
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pictures of Cary working with Svertla. Great pics, Karen! They both looked like they had fun! And Svertla looks FANTASTIC in hot pink!!! BTW, I didn't know you were old moonshiners! That looked like part of an old still in your woods. Susan in NV Happy High Desert Trails Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091
Re: [IceHorses] Prey/Predator
For those of you who are clicker training, I'd ask you how long you've been doing it? Many, many years around 10 years. Are you SURE you aren't going to regret it somewhere down the road? ABSOLUTELY SURE!! Cheryl ToltallyICE at Sand Creek Icelandic Horse Farm Icelandic Horses and Icelandic Sheepdogs email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.toltallyice.com Idaho
