Re: [ilugd] Live Chat Software

[Alok Sinha]

There is a java client available for Jabber, which runs in the browser itself
for which you will not require to download any software at client side.

regards,
alok sinha

Amit Sharma wrote:

> but on some site, i have seen some more efficient way and that too with no
> client required at users end.
>
> e.g. http://bug-software.com/ see image which says 'click here for Live
> Support' (this one is paid one, but i think something like this is avaiable
> as freeware/ linuxware :)
>
> amit
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Raj Shekhar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "The Linux-Delhi mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Subject: Re: [ilugd] Live Chat Software
>
> > On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 18:07, amit sharma wrote:
> > > hi,
> > >
> > > i am looking for 'Live Chat' software on redhat linux.
> > >
> > > i want to provide a link/ window on my website which
> > > can be used by the visitor to have a live chat with
> > > me(or administrator of the site) in order to have
> > > online support.
> >
> > Here are a few alternatives you can use
> >
> > 1) You can have a Jabber server running on a PC which is always online
> > and provide users with the link to connect to it.
> > Con: The users should have a Jabber client with him.
> >
> > 2) You can provide your Y!ID/ICQ#/MSN ID so taht the users can chat with
> > you when they need you.
> >
> > 3) You can have a IRC channel for which you can advertise on your
> > website. Users can join the channel when they need help.
> >
> > Hope that helps,
> >
> > --
> >/ \__
> >   (@\___ Raj Shekhar
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[ilugd] Re: Openoffice 1.1 RCs and other publishing questions

[Sandip Bhattacharya]

Shuvam Misra wrote:

toolsets. I'd _love_ to wipe out my Windows partition from my laptop,
but no alternative presentation software on Linux makes presentations
totally compatible with (even older) versions of MS PPT.
Why? Have you tried Openoffice 1.1RC5?

- SAndip

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Re: [ilugd] Re: Openoffice 1.1 RCs and other publishing questions

[Raj Mathur]

> "Shuvam" == Shuvam Misra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> let's have a digital publishing+imaging mailing list on
>> linux-delhi. we discuss digital typography, design, page
>> composition+scribus, illustration+sodipodi+sketch+svg,
>> gimp+cinepaint+gimp-print, imagemagick, teX+kile+lyx+more,
>> littlecms, ghostscript, quanta, pfaedit, and all the tools and
>> techniques in the opensource and mukt community.

Shuvam> I believe there's a TeX mailing list for TUGIndia, but
Shuvam> that probably won't want to stray into non-TeX
Shuvam> discussions, right?

...though on the whole I'd think that TUG-India or a similar platform
may be a more appropriate place for hosting a typesetting mailing list
than ILUGD.  You could talk to C V Radhakrishnan, who's a very open
person as well as being well-versed (and interested) in publishing
technology -- after all, it's his bread and butter :)

OTOH, if enough ILUGD members are interested in the long term in
electronic publishing I'd be glad to create a list on the Linux-Delhi
server.

CC'ing CVR.

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[ilugd] (fwd) TeXLive 2003

[Raj Mathur]

This is an RFC 1153 digest.
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Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: Radhakrishnan CV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Raju Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: TeXLive 2003
Date: 01 Oct 2003 09:30:22 +0530

TUGIndia are happy to announce that TeXLive 2003 has been released
(stable final release) and we have the iso images of demo, install and
live versions of the CD/DVD.

Install version is what a normal user would need. Live version is
ready-to-run TeX system for 12 operating systems in a DVD without
installing unto your harddisk and demo is a scaled down live version
for Linux, Win32 and Mac OSX alone.

All the bzipped ISO images at:

  http://sarovar.org/projects/texlive

PDF and JPG files of all the CD/DVD labels and covers are also
available here.

You might find details about TeXLive at:

  http://texlive.sarovar.org

Be warned that bzipped images of install and demo CD's are roughly 270
MB and 571 MB respectively. Compressed DVD image is 516 MB.  The page
might show you the filesize as single digit bytes, that's because it
is a symlink from the mirror folder.  TeXLive is an ongoing project at
TUG, so we would sync the newest stable releases always.  

TUGIndia would make available TeXLive 2003 collection (3 CD set
released by TUG), beautifully packaged in a nicely printed CD cover.
Looks like a collectors item.  We have fixed the price at Rs. 1,000
per set including forwarding and shipping costs.

We would dispatch CD's to the individual/institutions who have already
paid the cost (of Rs. 500 which was the cost of previous release of
TeXLive) and waiting for TeXLive's release without any burden of extra
cost. This is in recognition of their patience and interest in
TeXLive.

People who are fortunate to have a fat bandwidth might grab the images
from sarovar.org. They are free to make copies and distribute, but
respect the licences of the packages.  Recently, Springer-Verlag copied
TeXLive 7 CD and distributed along with one of their LaTeX books with
explicit instruction on the CD that "contents of the CD should not be
copied or distributed" which is a clear violation of the licences of
thousands of packages in the CD.  By doing such a thing, one invites
the wrath of TUG, FSF and obviously runs the risk of litigation.

Compilation of the TeXLive CD is the result of the hard work of
hundreds of developers' for several months apart from the terrific
work of several thousand contributors who wrote all the software
solely for the benefit of the user community.  By purchasing the
TeXLive, the cost of which is only that of the media and shipping, you
promote a great movement that stands for software freedom.

Best

Radhakrishnan
for Indian TeX Users Group

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Re: [ilugd] Re: Openoffice 1.1 RCs and other publishing questions

[Shuvam Misra]

> > let's have a digital publishing+imaging mailing list on linux-delhi. we
> > discuss digital typography, design,
> I vote for this with both my hands

I would like such a list, of course (it's part of our daily office work,
dammit! :)) but I'd also like to extend the scope to include so-called
office productivity tools, including how to sort out problems and do a
good job with presentation creation tools, spreadsheets, etc. And yes,
we should include (though not focus on) compatibilty with MS Office
toolsets. I'd _love_ to wipe out my Windows partition from my laptop,
but no alternative presentation software on Linux makes presentations
totally compatible with (even older) versions of MS PPT.

Hope this compatibility concern is not too "Real Worldy" for most of
you. :)

Shuvam


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Re: [ilugd] Re: Openoffice 1.1 RCs and other publishing questions

[Shuvam Misra]

> let's have a digital publishing+imaging mailing list on linux-delhi. we
> discuss digital typography, design, page composition+scribus,
> illustration+sodipodi+sketch+svg, gimp+cinepaint+gimp-print,
> imagemagick, teX+kile+lyx+more, littlecms, ghostscript, quanta, pfaedit,
> and all the tools and techniques in the opensource and mukt community.

I believe there's a TeX mailing list for TUGIndia, but that probably
won't want to stray into non-TeX discussions, right?

Shuvam


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[ilugd] Re: Mail archive search

[Sandip Bhattacharya]

Jasmeet S. Virdi wrote:

Also something that I found helpful. Change the Mail delivery setting to not
send you mails (so the inbox is not filled up) and still you can participate
in the discussions using just a news reader !! This could also be useful for
people travelling around.
YEs! That is how I am using it .. no more mails! Also setting message 
expiry rules in my newsreader (thunderbird) older messages get 
automatically removed from the mailbox. No more housekeeping.

You have to confirm your address once for every newgroups that you post 
to. I have been posting to many mailing lists on the gmane newsserver now.

- Sandip

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RE: [ilugd] Mail archive search

[Jasmeet S. Virdi]

Also something that I found helpful. Change the Mail delivery setting to not
send you mails (so the inbox is not filled up) and still you can participate
in the discussions using just a news reader !! This could also be useful for
people travelling around.


-js
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$ g] On Behalf Of Sandip Bhattacharya
$ Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 11:34 AM
$ To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
$ Subject: [ilugd] Mail archive search
$ 
$ 
$ 
$ I wonder how many of you know the mail archive being kept of 
$ the list at 
$   http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi since the day I 
$ set up the newsgroup.
$ 
$ The archive is not only threaded but also offer an search. IT 
$ allows you 
$ to import an existing mbox archive into it, which might be 
$ done if possible.
$ 
$ - Sandip
$ 
$ P.S. Still posting from the newsgroup :O)
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RE: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ?

[Raj Mathur]

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> "Tarun" == Tarun Upadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Tarun> Okay I will spam you guys one last time. Hopefully, it work
Tarun> now.  Alright, all sysadmins and PHBs.

Tarun> I created (to the best of my knowledge) how software stack
Tarun> in enterprise (defined as companies with greater than 200
Tarun> employees) space looks like between Microsoft and OSS
Tarun> products.
Tarun> http://www.tarunupadhyay.com/writings/sw/esoftstack.html

Tarun> Just for the fun sake, I also included the "leading"
Tarun> commercial UNIX offerings that are comparable. I have made
Tarun> blue whatever product out of three I think is the leader
Tarun> (at least in the world of PHB).

Tarun> I would welcome any opinions on (yeah my asbestos suit is
Tarun> on): A) any services/features/products that I might have
Tarun> missed. (which estimatedely are used in at least 25% of
Tarun> enterprises) B) any information that you think is factually
Tarun> incorrect in the sheet.

Network management: I'd add Nagios to the list, one of the best
network monitoring tools I've seen.

Please add anti-virus.  It should probably be up there after the
Kernel/Base OS :)  On Linux you can use ClamAV, presumably Winduhs has
anti-virus tools too ;)

Spam control: SpamAssassin on Linux

Collaboration: opengroupware.org

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Re: [ilugd] Re: (fwd) [OpenSSL Advisory] Vulnerabilities in ASN.1 parsing

[Raj Mathur]

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> "Sandip" == Sandip Bhattacharya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Sandip> Raj Mathur wrote:
>> [Please upgrade OpenSSL on all platforms -- Raju]

Sandip> [...]
>> Who is affected?
>> 
>> 
>> All versions of OpenSSL up to and including 0.9.6j and 0.9.7b
>> and all versions of SSLeay are affected.
>> 
>> Any application that makes use of OpenSSL's ASN1 library to
>> parse untrusted data. This includes all SSL or TLS
>> applications, those using S/MIME (PKCS#7) or certificate
>> generation routines.
>> 
>> Recommendations
>> ---
>> 
>> Upgrade to OpenSSL 0.9.7c or 0.9.6k. Recompile any OpenSSL
>> applications statically linked to OpenSSL libraries.
>> 

Sandip> There I go recompiling apache again! Just did that
Sandip> yesterday! :(

Sandip> BTW, mod_ssl is unlikely to use static linking? So can I
Sandip> just recompile and hope that the ssl applications after
Sandip> restarting wont notice?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# ldd `which httpd`
...
libssl.so.2 => /lib/libssl.so.2 (0x4004)
libcrypto.so.2 => /lib/libcrypto.so.2 (0x4007)
...

No need to recompile: most (all?) applications are dynamically linked
with libssl and libcrypto, so you just need to upgrade OpenSSL and the
apps are upgraded automatically.  That's one of the advantages of
shared libs, no?

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[ilugd] Re: [LIH]Catch-all acount problem due to multiple recipients

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

Sandip Bhattacharya [10/1/2003 12:30 AM] :

But my question is that is there a way to cajole/coerce sendmail to make
multiple copies of the mail locally (according to the envelope
recipient) therefore keeping envelope information intact before
delivering them?
Issue for your local delivery agent - procmail or whatever.  Have 
fetchmail handoff to procmail directly (see man fetchmail) - that might 
help.

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[ilugd] Fw: The Linux Counter is ten years old!

[Sanjeev \"Ghane\" Gupta]

Folks,

Come on, spread the word.

On Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:00 AM [GMT+0800],
Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> As of September 28, 2003, the Linux Counter has been continuously
> active for ten years. Congratulations!
> 
> The front page (and the news page, of course) sports a link to a short
> piece I've written on the history of the counter over those years.
> 
> For the impatient ones:
> 
> 
> Spread the word - and enjoy!
> 
>   Harald Alvestrand

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Re: [ilugd] Hotwire Client for Linux

[Sanjeev \"Ghane\" Gupta]

On Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:15 AM [GMT+0800],
Bhaskar Dutta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I will develop it further, maybe adorn it with a GUI. If
> anyone is interested in developing, you are welcome. Also I want to
> know from the experienced developers in the list that what I should
> use to code the GUI for the app so that all distros can use it. Any
> comments??  

Seriously, consider using dialog.  It is universally available.

Good luck with the project
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Re: [ilugd] Hotwire Client for Linux

[Bhaskar Dutta]

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  Hi All,

I am glad some people are interested in the hotwire client for linux. I 
will share the code with you guys but i need a few more hours of coding to be 
able to present the program in a neat form. Right now the code is extremely 
debugged and some values are hardcoded. Distributing such premature code 
would be rather insulting. But I would like to share some details on it.

 Some input I would appreciate from those interested in the software is to 
send me a TCP dump of ethereal. From that I will be able to confirm my 
assumption that all the servers use the same port and similar time-outs. A 
simple way out to diagnose the server port I discovered is as follows:
Type the following command at a shell prompt:

   echo "username~~passwd" | nc -v -v XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX 23400

replacing username with your loginname, passwd with your password, 
XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX with your gateway and leave the 23400 as it is - that is 
supposed to be the server's listening port. A transcript of the output on my 
comp is as follows:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# echo "username~~passwd" | nc -v -v XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX 23400
Warning: forward host lookup failed for hotwire-XX-XXX-del.hotwireindia.com: 
Unknown host
hotwire-XX-XXX-del.hotwireindia.com [XXX.XXX.XXX.XX] 23400 (?) open
welcome client sent 19, rcvd 14
[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]#

This confirms that the server is listening on port 23400 awaiting client 
authentication connections (port is verified by the server if you get 
"welcome client" as a reply). Please send me the output of this command in a 
mail.
   
 I used the good old Ethereal to sniff and then filter the TCP packets going 
and coming from my gateway. From the data I deduced the rules used to keep 
the connection alive once it is established. After that the only thing left 
was to simulate a similar behaviour using sockets and signals. I decided to 
code in C,but the same thing can be coded in (p/P)erl or java easily.  

TODO: I will be writing a perl script to take info from the user and store it 
in a config file. This data will be used by the application to connect to the 
server in the gateway. Now a very important thing is that I have assumed all 
hotwire clients use the same windows binary provided by www.hotwireindia.com. 
The problem that might occur is that if it isn't, some settings will require 
a tweak. For example, the server port to which the client should connect. But 
that should not be a big issue as you can always run ethereal on windows with 
whatever client you are using, trace the server port, and change the value in 
the config file accordingly. If this seems to be difficult, you may send me 
the ethereal dump and I will do the rest.  

  Also, if any of you guys have experience in designing front-ends, please 
tell me what platform should I use. I am planning to use Tcl-Tk but this will 
be finalised only after the code is verified on several machines. Any 
suggestions or volunteers??


On Tuesday 30 Sep 2003 11:13 pm, Arunjeet Singh wrote:
> Hey,
>
> I sure would be interested. Got on Hotwire two days ago, and have been
> trying to figure out the protocol (if any) using a packet sniffer. But you
> seem to have done it already. Some details would be appreciated.
>
> Arunjeet Singh
>
>
>
> Bhaskar Dutta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:-BEGIN PGP SIGNED
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>
> Hi,
>
> I remember a thread on hotwire client for linux that started in july. I
> browsed thru it again today and it didn't seem to have any concrete
> solution on the matter. Did any of you guys do anything? I have been myself
> using hotwire internet for the last 5 months on linux (redhat 8 on WINE).
> There seems to be no problem with wine running the MFC app (shittiest VC++
> app I have ever seen!) on linux. I don't know how many of you have tried
> this solution.
> Now, why I am starting the thread again is because I wasn't pleased with
> the way the authentication client was working (seems to get disconnected
> often) and storing username , passwd, DNS etc. was a big hassle. So I wrote
> a socket application which does the same thing as the client. The code is
> in plain C and it is only command-line (will modify to include a config
> file to store persistent data). I have reduced the keep-alive packet
> timeout with the server and it seems the application is running better than
> the shitty windows client! Right now I am running the app and the results
> are very satisfactory (been up for an hour with no disconnection and avg
> speed of 10kbps). Now what I want to know is that how many hotwire internet
> users are there in this group who would be interested in this application.
> I started a few hours back and its already running by now. If anyone is
> interested, please mail me and let me know ASAP. I will develop it further,
> maybe adorn it with a GUI. If anyone is interested in developing, you are
> welcome.
> Also I want to know from the experienced 

[ilugd] Catch-all acount problem due to multiple recipients

[Sandip Bhattacharya]

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[Please CC: replies to me, as my list delivery is currently diabled.]

This must be one of the most popular questions, but much as I search on
the web I dont see any solution.
Situation: I have a sendmail based mailserver for our domain somewhere
remote which also doubles up as our smarthost. I have a catchall account
for my domain which I am then downloading using fetchmail in multidrop
mode. The local server is exim.
Problem: When the same mail is sent to multiple recipients of my domain,
the process of communication between the sending MTA and my mail server
is totally dependent on the sending MTA.
If the sending MTA is qmail, multiple SMTP conenctions are made for
every recipient of the mail - this is sacrilegious to many mailadmins,
but thankfully it preserves the envelope recipient and so my sendmail
(with a minor header rule) dutifully writes in a delivered-to header.
If it is any other MTA, then to conserve bandwidth/processing they send
the mail in a single smtp connection with multiple rcpt. This causes
sendmail to avoid writing the delivered-to header because multiple
recipients were specified. Fetchmail downloads the mail and tries to
send it to the first one in the To: header. Not only is anybody else in
the To: list excluded from a copy, but if the first address is not that
of a local domain then it bounces.
I have configured exim to send mails one at a time to our
mailhost(max_rcpt=1). So atleast our mails deliver properly.
But my question is that is there a way to cajole/coerce sendmail to make
multiple copies of the mail locally (according to the envelope
recipient) therefore keeping envelope information intact before
delivering them?
Thanks,
~  Sandip
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[ilugd] Re: Hotwire Client for Linux

[Sandip Bhattacharya]

Bhaskar Dutta wrote:

Hi,

  I remember a thread on hotwire client for linux that started in july. I 
browsed thru it again today and it didn't seem to have any concrete solution 
on the matter. Did any of you guys do anything? I have been myself using 
hotwire internet for the last 5 months on linux (redhat 8 on WINE). There 
seems to be no problem with wine running the MFC app (shittiest VC++ app I 
have ever seen!) on linux. I don't know how many of you have tried this 
solution. 
:D I have been using Pankaj Kaushal's hotconnect. Since it too crashes 
whenevr the TCP connection is broken, I have it monitored and restarted 
using daemontools. Havent worried about hotwire for a lng time now. :)

The best part is that from time to time Hotwires authentication servers 
crash out, so clients dont work. To prevent an outrage, they give access 
to anybody without autehntication. Due to daemontools, they get a 
beautiful stream of traffic at their auth server from me because their 
server is not listening and my client is really persistent. ;) They dare 
not complain to me about it. But with half of delhi doing what I am 
doing, their server is going to be battered as hell. Ahh .. that is what 
dreams are made of .. You have no clue how sadistic I feel towards these 
totally incompetent service providers.

- Sandip

P.S. All ICMP traffic (including port-unreachable) is still blocked. 
Ping/traceroute seem like history.

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RE: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ?

[Tarun Upadhyay]

Okay I will spam you guys one last time. Hopefully, it work now.

Alright, all sysadmins and PHBs.  

I created (to the best of my knowledge) how software stack in enterprise
(defined as companies with greater than 200 employees) space looks like
between Microsoft and OSS products.
http://www.tarunupadhyay.com/writings/sw/esoftstack.html

Just for the fun sake, I also included the "leading" commercial UNIX
offerings that are comparable. I have made blue whatever product out of
three I think is the leader (at least in the world of PHB).

I would welcome any opinions on (yeah my asbestos suit is on):
A) any services/features/products that I might have missed. (which
estimatedely are used in at least 25% of enterprises)
B) any information that you think is factually incorrect in the sheet.


With Warm Regards
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Re: [ilugd] Hotwire Client for Linux

[Arunjeet Singh]

Hey,
 
I sure would be interested. Got on Hotwire two days ago, and have been trying to 
figure out the protocol (if any) using a packet sniffer. But you seem to have done it 
already. Some details would be appreciated.
 
Arunjeet Singh
 


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Hi,

I remember a thread on hotwire client for linux that started in july. I 
browsed thru it again today and it didn't seem to have any concrete solution 
on the matter. Did any of you guys do anything? I have been myself using 
hotwire internet for the last 5 months on linux (redhat 8 on WINE). There 
seems to be no problem with wine running the MFC app (shittiest VC++ app I 
have ever seen!) on linux. I don't know how many of you have tried this 
solution. 
Now, why I am starting the thread again is because I wasn't pleased with the 
way the authentication client was working (seems to get disconnected often) 
and storing username , passwd, DNS etc. was a big hassle. So I wrote a 
socket application which does the same thing as the client. The code is in 
plain C and it is only command-line (will modify to include a config file to 
store persistent data). I have reduced the keep-alive packet timeout with the 
server and it seems the application is running better than the shitty windows 
client! Right now I am running the app and the results are very satisfactory 
(been up for an hour with no disconnection and avg speed of 10kbps). 
Now what I want to know is that how many hotwire internet users are there in 
this group who would be interested in this application. I started a few hours 
back and its already running by now. If anyone is interested, please mail me 
and let me know ASAP. I will develop it further, maybe adorn it with a GUI.
If anyone is interested in developing, you are welcome.
Also I want to know from the experienced developers in the list that what I 
should use to code the GUI for the app so that all distros can use it. Any 
comments??

Regards,
Bhaskar.


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Re: [ilugd] Openoffice 1.1 RCs and other publishing questions

[Anand Shankar]

I think it is the knowledge issue at core with most publishers (most small
time operators in your neighbourhood). I have been insisting with my people
to atleast obtain a PDF file of  the document going to press. For most of
these press people, "What is PDF??". Problem is most of them are using
pirated Adobe Pagemaker software. I think PM5 does not have export to PDF by
default, while PM6.5 has an option, but probably exports the whole file.
Adobe is trying to replace Postscript with PDF, they are talking of  "PDF
ready" printers. As of now, it is a knowledge issue with most small time
operators.

A technical issue which I have faced is generating PDF with Unicode aware
applications having Unicode data in the output:  For eg an OfficeXP Word
file to generate a PDF with embedding of OpenType Fonts. I do not know of
such an issue with OpenOffice. I am using OO1.1RC3, which at least is not
able to input a Unicode Devanagari data, nor able to display a MSWord file /
UTF-8 encoded Devanagari text file.

Finally, whether OO will be able to it or not, the issue is typesetting and
word-processing are two different things. Most of us, the common user, use
word processing. The OO documents need to get into some DTP program, like
Scribus, Karbon14 (Am I right LL, Trehan??). Karbon14 can save the document
as
Adobe Illustrator type, from where can it go to a Pagemaker ??

Anand Shankar
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[ilugd] Hotwire Client for Linux

[Bhaskar Dutta]

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Hi,

  I remember a thread on hotwire client for linux that started in july. I 
browsed thru it again today and it didn't seem to have any concrete solution 
on the matter. Did any of you guys do anything? I have been myself using 
hotwire internet for the last 5 months on linux (redhat 8 on WINE). There 
seems to be no problem with wine running the MFC app (shittiest VC++ app I 
have ever seen!) on linux. I don't know how many of you have tried this 
solution. 
  Now, why I am starting the thread again is because I wasn't pleased with the 
way the authentication client was working (seems to get disconnected often) 
and storing username , passwd, DNS etc.  was a big hassle. So I wrote a 
socket application which does the same thing as the client. The code is in 
plain C and it is only command-line (will modify to include a config file to 
store persistent data). I have reduced the keep-alive packet timeout with the 
server and it seems the application is running better than the shitty windows 
client! Right now I am running the app and the results are very satisfactory 
(been up for an hour with no disconnection and avg speed of 10kbps).   
  Now what I want to know is that how many hotwire internet users are there in 
this group who would be interested in this application. I started a few hours 
back and its already running by now. If anyone is interested, please mail me 
and let me know ASAP. I will develop it further, maybe adorn it with a GUI.
  If anyone is interested in developing, you are welcome.
  Also I want to know from the experienced developers in the list that what I 
should use to code the GUI for the app so that all distros can use it. Any 
comments??
  
  Regards,
  Bhaskar.


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Re: [ilugd] Re: Openoffice 1.1 RCs and other publishing questions

[Raj Shekhar]

On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 16:30, LinuxLingam wrote:

> let's have a digital publishing+imaging mailing list on linux-delhi. we
> discuss digital typography, design,
I vote for this with both my hands
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Re: [ilugd] Re: two questions

[Bhaskar Dutta]

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 Hi All,
   I wasn't expecting to get flamed like this on the list! Wouldn't you 
appreciate a bit of humour once in a while? Come on guys this list is 
supposed to be a community of sorts, and occasional jokes and humour wouldn't 
kill the spirit we share. If the general opinion is that such material should 
be banned from the list, it will only dampen the wonderful spirit of freedom. 
What do the gurus have to  say on this?

Regards,
Bhaskar.

P.S. Thanks to those who enjoyed the thread ! Here's another one for you 
people...

The Gurus of Unix Meeting of Minds (GUMM) takes place Wednesday, April 1, 2076 
(check THAT in your perpetual calendar program), 14 feet above the ground 
directly in front of the Milpitas Gumps.  Members will grep each other by the 
hand (after intro), yacc a lot, smoke filtered chroots in pipes, chown with 
forks, use the wc (unless uuclean), fseek nice zombie processes, strip, and 
sleep, but not, we hope, od. Three days will be devoted to discussion of the 
ramifications of whodo.  Two seconds have been allotted for a complete 
rundown of all the user-friendly features of Unix.  Seminars include 
"Everything You Know is Wrong", led by Tom Kempson, "Batman or Cat:man?" led 
by Richie Dennis "cc C? Si!  Si!" led by Kerwin Bernighan, and "Document 
Unix, Are You Kidding?" led by Jan Yeats.  No Reader Service No. is necessary 
because all GUGUs (Gurus of Unix Group of Users) already know everything we
could tell them.
-- "Get GUMMed," Dr. Dobb's Journal, June '84
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On Tuesday 30 Sep 2003 5:29 pm, Shuvam Misra wrote:
> > Please keep these jokes outside this list. If you feel that u need to
> > post jokes, then at least mark it as such in the subject line, so that
> > our time is not wasted reading totally useless stuff.
>
> Personally, a bit of humour once in a while is welcome. I've been here
> a few months now, and I don't see the levels of humour as being so high
> that they impede useful discussion and learning.
>
> Just wanted to put in my ten paise worth of comment to defend the
> original joker. I quite enjoyed this thread. :)
>
> As an aside, I feel that all old Unix hands (as against fresh-faced
> Linux converts and evangelists) always recognized that Unix is a kind of
> (human) language of its own. Look at lines like the following:
>
>   - "Quick! Check...can you finger me?"
>
>   - "Don't ping me, or I'll / your bloody *!"
>
>   - "Can you tar it for me?"
>
> If one can't see the humour implicit in this, one is almost missing the
> spirit of Unix. In that case, one might as well regress to the world of
> corporate operating systems like IBM mainframes and VAX/VMS, where
> commands were always verbose, meaningful, pregnant with significance,
> and devoid of any tongue-in-cheek anything. In an attempt to build a
> serious corporate brand image, they ensured you couldn't fault them with
> a sense of humour. (They were selling to Wall Street, you can't blame
> them. Black was the only colour of suits allowed.)
>
> I saw this latest thread to be a (slightly juvenile) version of that
> old Unix playfulness which has taught me that playful is not necessarily
> useless. I for one would like to see this thread of humour remain. Geek
> humour is usually quite refined humour.
>
> This humour makes me feel that there's humour left in this world
> other than the Cyrus Broacha "MTV Bakraa" brand of tickle-me-raucous
> laughter. Makes me feel that I too belong somewhere.
>
> Just my ten paise, for what it's worth. :)
>
> Shuvam
>
> PS: Sorry guys, I have a flaw in my character... tend to get a bit
> reflective sometimes. Age catching up. :)
>
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[ilugd] Re: (fwd) [OpenSSL Advisory] Vulnerabilities in ASN.1 parsing

[Sandip Bhattacharya]

Raj Mathur wrote:

> [Please upgrade OpenSSL on all platforms -- Raju]
>
[...]
Who is affected?

All versions of OpenSSL up to and including 0.9.6j and 0.9.7b and all
versions of SSLeay are affected.
Any application that makes use of OpenSSL's ASN1 library to parse
untrusted data. This includes all SSL or TLS applications, those using
S/MIME (PKCS#7) or certificate generation routines.
Recommendations
---
Upgrade to OpenSSL 0.9.7c or 0.9.6k. Recompile any OpenSSL applications
statically linked to OpenSSL libraries.
There I go recompiling apache again! Just did that yesterday! :(

BTW, mod_ssl is unlikely to use static linking? So can I just recompile 
and hope that the ssl applications after restarting wont notice?

- Sandip

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[ilugd] (fwd) GLSA: mpg123 (200309-17)

[Raj Mathur]

[Please upgrade if you use mpg123 on any platform -- Raju]

This is an RFC 1153 digest.
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Subject: GLSA:  mpg123 (200309-17)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:32:04 +0200 (CEST)

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          PACKAGE : mpg123
          SUMMARY : buffer overflow
             DATE : 2003-09-30 14:32 UTC
          EXPLOIT : remote
 GENTOO BUG # : 26787
              CVE : CAN-2003-0577

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DESCRIPTION

mpg123 contains a heap based buffer overflow that would allow an remote
attacker to execute arbitrary code on the victims machine.

SOLUTION

it is recommended that all Gentoo Linux users who are running
media-sound/mpg123 upgrade to a fixed version.

make sure that the version to be installed is either one of 
0.59r-r3 (stable) or 0.59s-r1 (masked).

emerge sync
emerge mpg123 -p
emerge mpg123
emerge clean


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[ilugd] (fwd) [OpenSSL Advisory] Vulnerabilities in ASN.1 parsing

[Raj Mathur]

[Please upgrade OpenSSL on all platforms -- Raju]

This is an RFC 1153 digest.
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:27:50 +0100 (BST)

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OpenSSL Security Advisory [30 September 2003]

Vulnerabilities in ASN.1 parsing


NISCC (www.niscc.gov.uk) prepared a test suite to check the operation
of SSL/TLS software when presented with a wide range of malformed client
certificates.

Dr Stephen Henson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) of the OpenSSL core team
identified and prepared fixes for a number of vulnerabilities in the
OpenSSL ASN1 code when running the test suite.

A bug in OpenSSLs SSL/TLS protocol was also identified which causes
OpenSSL to parse a client certificate from an SSL/TLS client when it
should reject it as a protocol error.

Vulnerabilities
- ---

1. Certain ASN.1 encodings that are rejected as invalid by the parser
can trigger a bug in the deallocation of the corresponding data
structure, corrupting the stack. This can be used as a denial of service
attack. It is currently unknown whether this can be exploited to run
malicious code. This issue does not affect OpenSSL 0.9.6.

2. Unusual ASN.1 tag values can cause an out of bounds read under
certain circumstances, resulting in a denial of service vulnerability.

3. A malformed public key in a certificate will crash the verify code if
it is set to ignore public key decoding errors. Public key decode errors
are not normally ignored, except for debugging purposes, so this is
unlikely to affect production code. Exploitation of an affected
application would result in a denial of service vulnerability.

4. Due to an error in the SSL/TLS protocol handling, a server will parse
a client certificate when one is not specifically requested. This by
itself is not strictly speaking a vulnerability but it does mean that
*all* SSL/TLS servers that use OpenSSL can be attacked using
vulnerabilities 1, 2 and 3 even if they don't enable client authentication.

Who is affected?
- 

All versions of OpenSSL up to and including 0.9.6j and 0.9.7b and all
versions of SSLeay are affected.

Any application that makes use of OpenSSL's ASN1 library to parse
untrusted data. This includes all SSL or TLS applications, those using
S/MIME (PKCS#7) or certificate generation routines.

Recommendations
- ---

Upgrade to OpenSSL 0.9.7c or 0.9.6k. Recompile any OpenSSL applications
statically linked to OpenSSL libraries.

References
- --

The Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures project (cve.mitre.org) has
assigned the name CAN-2003-0545 for issue 1:

http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2003-0545

and CAN-2003-0543 and CAN-2003-0544 for issue 2:

http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2003-0543
http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2003-0544

URL for this Security Advisory:
http://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20030930.txt
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Re: [ilugd] TCL Training in Delhi

[Rajat Bhatia]

Hi,
   Just a clarification. We are interested in a trainer who can provide 
training to us on TCL language and not the other way round. I have 
received a few queries by people interesting in getting the training, so 
I thought it would be best to clarify this.

Regards,
Rajat
General Business Information
Rajat Bhatia wrote:

Hi,
   We are looking to organize a TCL Training for engineers at our 
office. The training would be held at either Gurgaon or Noida. Anyone 
interested or having a pointer to a good source please contact me 
offline at my email address.

Regards,
Rajat
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RE: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems

[Tarun Upadhyay]

I fully agree with you Shuvam.
Incidently, I call people who still insist on using 10yr old technology when
new (and sometimes tools are available as not purists but just "old".
This phenomenon outside technical realm is typically termed as "generation
gap" ;-)

In any case, I have done what I should have done in the first place. The
websheet is now currently available from my website at :
http://www.tarunupadhyay.com/writings/sw/Enterprise%20Software%20Stack%20acr
oss%20operating%20Systems.html

(I know somebody is going to balk at the long name - but you are not
supposed to type it, dude)

I invite people to:
A) suggest any services I might have missed (I am sure there are many) which
are widely (defined as >25%) used by enterprise organizations (defined as
>200 employees)
B) I have marked in blue what I think are best product by "PHB-definition".
Please point out any errors there as well. (hint: don't just scream your
dearling product is the best just because you are in love with it or it has
X feature that no other product has. Consider what will *your PHB" boss buy
if he has no technical advise available and infinite money (for software,
not hardware) ).

In general, the idea is to find out where is OSS behind the other commerical
alternatives in providing a complete IT services stack to a medium (or
large) sized enterprise.
So, once, we got this list to near completion and accuracy  - the next step
would be to look at what are the essential features missing in today's
"OSS-stack".

Thanks
Tarun

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Behalf Of Shuvam Misra
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:15 PM
To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list
Subject: RE: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems


I've
I've just witnessed a hot debate in the ILUG Bombay mailing list about
whether HTML mail should be banned. I protested, saying that some kinds of
formatted text simply cannot be read unless you allow formats other than
plain text. Most others didn't agree; they appeared to be purists who wanted
only plain text.

Your (very useful, incidentally) table is a clear example of something which
needs a MIME type other than text/plain. I simply cannot make head or tail
of your table, because the lines are wrapping badly. And this list will not
allow attachments, and probably will not allow non-text messages too.

If you have a copy in HTML or spreadsheet format, can you please send it to
me directly by email?


When the going gets tough, the only way out seems to be to find workarounds
around all those well-meaning "standards", "norms" and "rules." For
instance, I have a Windows partition with MS Office 2000 on my laptop. Can't
do without it when it comes to handing over a presentation at a black-suited
apex-level corporate conference... OOo simply doesn't generate PPTs
compatible enough, and PDF presentations (done using the excellent pdfscreen
package in LaTeX) are too plain looking for some audiences. Finally, no one
gives you anything because you followed standards, they only appreciate your
work if you get the job done. Sigh... 

:)

Shuvam

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Tarun Upadhyay wrote:

> All right. All right. I figured out the hard way that I cannot send 
> attachments to the list. So here it is as inline text.
>
>  Microsoft  OSS
> Commercial Unix
>
> Kernel / Base OS Windows 2003   Linux, BSD
> AIX, Solaris
>
> Authentication and Authorization,SSO Active Directory   OpenLDAP
> NDS, sunOne
>
> File Services
> -volume management   Volume Manager LVM
> VeritasManager
> -distributed DFSSamba, NFS (Client
> mode)   NFS, AFS
>
> Database SQL Server Postgres, mysql
> Oracle
>
> Network Services
> -VPN, FirewallingPPTP, ICF, ISA PPP, S/WAN,
iptables
> Checkpoint
> -Routing, WANRAS, ICS   iproute2
> cisco routers
> -DNS Active Directory   bind
> ?
> -MailExchange   Sendmail, Qmail
> sunOne messaging
> +HTTP Services
>  -Application Server IIS, MSMQ, COM+Tomcat, Jboss,
> Apache  Weblogic,MQSeries
>  -Proxy Server   ISASquid
> iPlanet ?
>  -Content Management, PortalsCMSWiki?
> Plum Tree
>
> Application Frameworks   .NET   J2EE
> J2EE
>
> Network Management   SMS,MOMOpenNMS
> Tivoli, OpenView
>
> CollaborationExchange + Outlook ?
> Domino
>
> Business Integration BizTalk?
> WebMethods,Vitria
>
> Let me know your opinions please.
>
> Thanks
> Tarun
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> On Behalf Of Tarun Upadhyay
> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 12

Re: [ilugd] Re: two questions

[Shuvam Misra]

> Please keep these jokes outside this list. If you feel that u need to post
> jokes, then at least mark it as such in the subject line, so that our time
> is not wasted reading totally useless stuff.

Personally, a bit of humour once in a while is welcome. I've been here
a few months now, and I don't see the levels of humour as being so high
that they impede useful discussion and learning.

Just wanted to put in my ten paise worth of comment to defend the
original joker. I quite enjoyed this thread. :)

As an aside, I feel that all old Unix hands (as against fresh-faced
Linux converts and evangelists) always recognized that Unix is a kind of
(human) language of its own. Look at lines like the following:

  - "Quick! Check...can you finger me?"

  - "Don't ping me, or I'll / your bloody *!"

  - "Can you tar it for me?"

If one can't see the humour implicit in this, one is almost missing the
spirit of Unix. In that case, one might as well regress to the world of
corporate operating systems like IBM mainframes and VAX/VMS, where
commands were always verbose, meaningful, pregnant with significance,
and devoid of any tongue-in-cheek anything. In an attempt to build a
serious corporate brand image, they ensured you couldn't fault them with
a sense of humour. (They were selling to Wall Street, you can't blame
them. Black was the only colour of suits allowed.)

I saw this latest thread to be a (slightly juvenile) version of that
old Unix playfulness which has taught me that playful is not necessarily
useless. I for one would like to see this thread of humour remain. Geek
humour is usually quite refined humour.

This humour makes me feel that there's humour left in this world
other than the Cyrus Broacha "MTV Bakraa" brand of tickle-me-raucous
laughter. Makes me feel that I too belong somewhere.

Just my ten paise, for what it's worth. :)

Shuvam

PS: Sorry guys, I have a flaw in my character... tend to get a bit
reflective sometimes. Age catching up. :)


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RE: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems

[Shuvam Misra]

I've
I've just witnessed a hot debate in the ILUG Bombay mailing list about
whether HTML mail should be banned. I protested, saying that some kinds
of formatted text simply cannot be read unless you allow formats other
than plain text. Most others didn't agree; they appeared to be purists
who wanted only plain text.

Your (very useful, incidentally) table is a clear example of something
which needs a MIME type other than text/plain. I simply cannot make
head or tail of your table, because the lines are wrapping badly. And
this list will not allow attachments, and probably will not allow
non-text messages too.

If you have a copy in HTML or spreadsheet format, can you please send it
to me directly by email?


When the going gets tough, the only way out seems to be to find
workarounds around all those well-meaning "standards", "norms" and
"rules." For instance, I have a Windows partition with MS Office 2000
on my laptop. Can't do without it when it comes to handing over a
presentation at a black-suited apex-level corporate conference... OOo
simply doesn't generate PPTs compatible enough, and PDF presentations
(done using the excellent pdfscreen package in LaTeX) are too plain
looking for some audiences. Finally, no one gives you anything because
you followed standards, they only appreciate your work if you get the
job done. Sigh...


:)

Shuvam

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Tarun Upadhyay wrote:

> All right. All right. I figured out the hard way that I cannot send
> attachments to the list.
> So here it is as inline text.
>
>  Microsoft  OSS
> Commercial Unix
>
> Kernel / Base OS Windows 2003   Linux, BSD
> AIX, Solaris
>
> Authentication and Authorization,SSO Active Directory   OpenLDAP
> NDS, sunOne
>
> File Services
> -volume management   Volume Manager LVM
> VeritasManager
> -distributed DFSSamba, NFS (Client
> mode)   NFS, AFS
>
> Database SQL Server Postgres, mysql
> Oracle
>
> Network Services
> -VPN, FirewallingPPTP, ICF, ISA PPP, S/WAN, iptables
> Checkpoint
> -Routing, WANRAS, ICS   iproute2
> cisco routers
> -DNS Active Directory   bind
> ?
> -MailExchange   Sendmail, Qmail
> sunOne messaging
> +HTTP Services
>  -Application Server IIS, MSMQ, COM+Tomcat, Jboss,
> Apache  Weblogic,MQSeries
>  -Proxy Server   ISASquid
> iPlanet ?
>  -Content Management, PortalsCMSWiki?
> Plum Tree
>
> Application Frameworks   .NET   J2EE
> J2EE
>
> Network Management   SMS,MOMOpenNMS
> Tivoli, OpenView
>
> CollaborationExchange + Outlook ?
> Domino
>
> Business Integration BizTalk?
> WebMethods,Vitria
>
> Let me know your opinions please.
>
> Thanks
> Tarun
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Tarun Upadhyay
> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 12:31 PM
> To: 'The Linux-Delhi mailing list'
> Subject: RE: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ?
>
>
> Ooops. Forgot to attach the list.
> Here it comes.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Tarun Dua
> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:57 AM
> To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list
> Subject: Re: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ?
>
>
> On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 03:35, Tarun Upadhyay wrote:
> > Alright, all sysadmins and PHBs.
> I am only an ignorant self-proclaimed sysadmin who is a PHB by the way.
> > I would welcome any opinions on (yeah my asbestos suit is on):
> > A) any services/features/products that I might have missed. (which
> > estimatedely are used in at least 25% of enterprises)
> > B) any information that you think is factually incorrect in the sheet.
> The sheet is invisible to me as well. Can you post the link to it. -Tarun
> Dua http://www.tarundua.net
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Re: [ilugd] Re: Openoffice 1.1 RCs and other publishing questions

[LinuxLingam]

On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 09:43, Shuvam Misra wrote:
> > dpi is *not* ppi.
> > ppi is *not* lpi.
> > lpi is *not* dpi.
> 
> Okay, please explain. By popular demand, if a population of two is large
> enough for you. :)
> 
> I would have used dpi and ppi totally interchangeably.
> 
> Shuvam


let's have a digital publishing+imaging mailing list on linux-delhi. we
discuss digital typography, design, page composition+scribus,
illustration+sodipodi+sketch+svg, gimp+cinepaint+gimp-print,
imagemagick, teX+kile+lyx+more, littlecms, ghostscript, quanta, pfaedit,
and all the tools and techniques in the opensource and mukt community.

then we can take this up.

and not bore our penguin-OS-only friends.

:-)
LL


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Re: [ilugd] Re: Openoffice 1.1 RCs and other publishing questions

[LinuxLingam]

http://designing.aiga.org/



for those of you who want to appreciate the subtle nuances of design and
typography at a glance.

enjoy!

:-)
LL


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Re: [ilugd] Re: typography, page composition, etc

[LinuxLingam]

> 
> Imagine a new Mozilla which takes the HTML text, runs it through
> HTML2TeX, compiles to DVI/PDF/whatever, and then shows it to you.
> Imagine for a moment that it does this in real-time for each and every
> page that you visit. Wouldn't you then get much better typeset pages?


yes, we are both saying the same thing, from different perspectives.
glad to know there are more people out there who feel this way. my hopes
are raised that the quagmire of typography could perhaps see an end.

and TeX could reclaim the publishing, typesetting, and programming
throne once again.

:-)
LL


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Re: [ilugd] Re: Openoffice 1.1 RCs and other publishing questions

[LinuxLingam]

On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 09:39, Shuvam Misra wrote:
> > http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Graphic_Design/Typography/?tc=1
> > and http://www.microsoft.com/typography/users.htm
> 
> Will any Microsoft information repository on any generic (i.e. not
> Microsoft proprietary) subject be any use?

unfotunately, the M$ repository is quite good, quite helpful, quite
informative, and gets you up to speed on many issues.

however, their repository is not the be all and end all of fonts. will
pull out my bookmarks and post them here in a day or two.

incidentally, what a coincidence that this discussion blossomed on
linux-delhi. a few hours ago i saw on google that adobe has released a
whole new suite for design. i checked out their site, then went through
other references on licensing etc on their site, and lo and behold, they
have quite a strict policy on the use of fonts. in brief: to use a font,
you need to own its license. that's obvious. but to send it to any
pre-press unit, they must also have its license. you just can't give it
to them to output your work for you. and a long time ago, adobe's
licensing did allow you to do this, as well as (i believe) allow you to
keep installations on upto five computers, and a flexible policy on if
you have it on a network printer's hard disk.

fonts are quite a deadly issue in the computing world. very
controversial. you see, a font design exists for 400 years or even more,
so no one can claim copyright on it. but by creating digitized versions,
copyright laws apply to these digital creations.

adobe, linotype, bitstream, have pretty much cleaned up the font
repository of the western world, for mainstream fonts, in digital
incarnations.

this is quite an issue that will raise its head quite soon over the next
few years.

stay tuned.

:-|
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Re: [ilugd] Re: two questions

[Ambar Roy]

>  I finally got to know the reason for the mysterious
> occurrences regarding whois and ping. LL please give
> your valuable suggestions on this.
>
>  There seems to be a rogue worm in the wild, aptly
> named [EMAIL PROTECTED] worm. Seems
> to infect TCP port 43 (thus affecting whois) and
> manipulate the server's NVT ASCII replies. The worm
> also injects malicious text into the ICMP packets
> resulting in the strange ping replies. The worm is
> Artificially Intelligent (mind you!) and seems to be
> able to do amazing things not discovered yet ... LL
> has already encountered one ... what about the others?
>
>  You guys won't believe what happened when I tried to
> ping case.edu.pk again some time back. The transcript
> is shown below verbatim :
> --
>  $ ping www.case.edu.pk
>  .
>  Dude, what's your problem? Are you some kind of jerk?
> Or plain stupid?


I don't care if you are trying to fool around with the newbies on this list,
but you won't get that response using a stock ping program on any os...

In fact none of the standard ping programs will ever show the data packets
that are transmitted or received.

Please keep these jokes outside this list. If you feel that u need to post
jokes, then at least mark it as such in the subject line, so that our time
is not wasted reading totally useless stuff.

In case these are genuine messages that you get from your computer's ping
program, consider reinstalling your os..

Ambar Roy
PS: I cud not find [EMAIL PROTECTED] worm anywhere. Please
provide us with some refferences...


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Re: [ilugd] Re: two questions

[Arjun Asthana]

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On Tuesday 30 September 2003 00:34, you wrote:
>  Hi,
>
>   I tried out the two questions posed on ping and
> whois. I got some suspiciously funny results which I
> would like to share with you people. Could anyone
> please enlighten me further 
>
>  $ whois inria.fr

I tried it and it works fine! I got the info plus some VeriSign copyright 
thingy.

>

[EMAIL PROTECTED] arjun]$ ping www.case.edu.pk
PING case.edu.pk (210.56.8.36) from 202.56.216.65 : 56(84) bytes of data.

- --- case.edu.pk ping statistics ---
47 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
[EMAIL PROTECTED] arjun]$ whois inria.fr
[whois.crsnic.net]

Whois Server Version 1.3

Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.

No match for "INRIA.FR".

>>> Last update of whois database: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:13:56 EDT <<<

NOTICE: The expiration date displayed in this record is the date the
registrar's sponsorship of the domain name registration in the registry is
currently set to expire. This date does not necessarily reflect the expiration
date of the domain name registrant's agreement with the sponsoring
registrar.  Users may consult the sponsoring registrar's Whois database to
view the registrar's reported date of expiration for this registration.

TERMS OF USE: You are not authorized to access or query our Whois
database through the use of electronic processes that are high-volume and
automated except as reasonably necessary to register domain names or
modify existing registrations; the Data in VeriSign Global Registry
Services' ("VeriSign") Whois database is provided by VeriSign for
information purposes only, and to assist persons in obtaining information
about or related to a domain name registration record. VeriSign does not
guarantee its accuracy. By submitting a Whois query, you agree to abide
by the following terms of use: You agree that you may use this Data only
for lawful purposes and that under no circumstances will you use this Data
to: (1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass
unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via e-mail, telephone,
or facsimile; or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes
that apply to VeriSign (or its computer systems). The compilation,
repackaging, dissemination or other use of this Data is expressly
prohibited without the prior written consent of VeriSign. You agree not to
use electronic processes that are automated and high-volume to access or
query the Whois database except as reasonably necessary to register
domain names or modify existing registrations. VeriSign reserves the right
to restrict your access to the Whois database in its sole discretion to ensure
operational stability.  VeriSign may restrict or terminate your access to the
Whois database for failure to abide by these terms of use. VeriSign
reserves the right to modify these terms at any time.

The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .EDU domains and
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Re: [ilugd] TCL Training in Delhi

[Manoj Papneja]

Hi,
 
I am interested in this event. Please let me know further details.
 
cheers
Manoj Papneja

Rajat Bhatia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
We are looking to organize a TCL Training for engineers at our 
office. The training would be held at either Gurgaon or Noida. Anyone 
interested or having a pointer to a good source please contact me 
offline at my email address.

Regards,
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Hi,

i am also intrested pls let me know at 
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> > We are looking to organize a TCL Training for
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> Gurgaon or Noida. Anyone 
> > interested or having a pointer to a good source
> please contact me 
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RE: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ?

[Tarun Upadhyay]

All right. All right. I figured out the hard way that I cannot send
attachments to the list.
So here it is as inline text.

 Microsoft  OSS
Commercial Unix

Kernel / Base OS Windows 2003   Linux, BSD
AIX, Solaris

Authentication and Authorization,SSO Active Directory   OpenLDAP
NDS, sunOne

File Services
-volume management   Volume Manager LVM
VeritasManager
-distributed DFSSamba, NFS (Client
mode)   NFS, AFS

Database SQL Server Postgres, mysql
Oracle

Network Services
-VPN, FirewallingPPTP, ICF, ISA PPP, S/WAN, iptables
Checkpoint
-Routing, WANRAS, ICS   iproute2
cisco routers
-DNS Active Directory   bind
?
-MailExchange   Sendmail, Qmail
sunOne messaging 
+HTTP Services
 -Application Server IIS, MSMQ, COM+Tomcat, Jboss,
Apache  Weblogic,MQSeries
 -Proxy Server   ISASquid
iPlanet ?
 -Content Management, PortalsCMSWiki?
Plum Tree

Application Frameworks   .NET   J2EE
J2EE

Network Management   SMS,MOMOpenNMS
Tivoli, OpenView

CollaborationExchange + Outlook ?
Domino

Business Integration BizTalk?
WebMethods,Vitria

Let me know your opinions please.

Thanks 
Tarun

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Ooops. Forgot to attach the list.
Here it comes.

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To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list
Subject: Re: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ?


On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 03:35, Tarun Upadhyay wrote:
> Alright, all sysadmins and PHBs.
I am only an ignorant self-proclaimed sysadmin who is a PHB by the way.
> I would welcome any opinions on (yeah my asbestos suit is on):
> A) any services/features/products that I might have missed. (which
> estimatedely are used in at least 25% of enterprises)
> B) any information that you think is factually incorrect in the sheet.
The sheet is invisible to me as well. Can you post the link to it. -Tarun
Dua http://www.tarundua.net



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[Tarun Upadhyay]

Ooops. Forgot to attach the list.
Here it comes.

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On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 03:35, Tarun Upadhyay wrote:
> Alright, all sysadmins and PHBs.
I am only an ignorant self-proclaimed sysadmin who is a PHB by the way.
> I would welcome any opinions on (yeah my asbestos suit is on):
> A) any services/features/products that I might have missed. (which 
> estimatedely are used in at least 25% of enterprises)
> B) any information that you think is factually incorrect in the sheet.
The sheet is invisible to me as well. Can you post the link to it. -Tarun
Dua http://www.tarundua.net



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