Re: [ilugd] Wikipedia page of Raj Mathur

[Nalin Savara]

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 8:22 PM, Sheel Sindhu Manohar <
sheel.lover...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah according to guidelines of Wikipedia i filtered out the content and
> used main points only. I need help in adding more content and references so
> that no one can mark it as stub or for deletion.
>
>
> kewl sceene bro!!!

Will check it out and add when I can for sure :-)))

-N
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Re: [ilugd] Wikipedia page of Raj Mathur

[Nalin Savara]

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Sheel Sindhu Manohar <
sheel.lover...@gmail.com> wrote:

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raj_Mathur
>
> I added this page to Wikipedia with some references. Please help me in
> improving this wiki page.
>
> Very nice Sheel Sindhu!!!

Especially appreciate the references and statistics which show you actually
spent time and energy researching the article while writing-- and add to
it's credibility.

z-nawz to u!

-Nalin
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Re: [ilugd] The Monthly Meetings

[Nalin Savara]

On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Anuvrat Parashar wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I apologize for not being around for past two meetings. It has become very
> difficult to take saturdays off due to increase in workload and I don't
> think the situation would change in the near future.
> I urge the members to continue the monthly meetings, and promise to try my
> level best and show up.
>

yaar Anuvrat... instead of seeing things in a top down way-- X is the
plan... move according to plan X no matter whether Anivrat (or ABC) is
there or not...

why not instead try to debug things-- do them in a bottom up way--- and
first see what's good... and then over time generalize it ?

If you'd remember our discussion-- this is something I once lectured you
abt also.

Regards,

Nalin
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Re: [ilugd] [LUG@IITD:16837] another question about GIT

[Nalin Savara]

Hi Shakti, Amar, All-on-List,

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Shakthi Kannan wrote:
>
>> 

>
>> Firstly, you need to stop thinking in terms of files and folders.
>>
>> Git doesn't track folders, but, content changes. Give us the big
>> picture. What is your workflow like, and why do you want to keep
>> moving the folders?
>>
>>
Thanks Shakthi, Amar-- I will shortly post a longer message on the lists--
sharing the big picture of what I'm trying to accomplish.

For now however-- the inputs various people gave are sufficient-- and I
have for most part been able to achieve what I was trying to do-- and be up
and running.

Thanks and Regards,

Nalin
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[ilugd] IDE for building cpp code under Android NDK

[Nalin Savara]

Hello Friends,

2 questions:--

(1) What are your preferred IDEs for building, debugging, troubleshooting
c++ code under Android NDK-- on Linux and on MacOS X ?

I have a project that's built around a cross-platform framework-- that
compiles ok-- for MacOS, IOS and Windows-- but doesnt compile for android.

GCC gives the errors of the form:

SharedLibrary  : libxxx.so
/Users/ns/[some project path]/MT2.h:149: error: undefined reference to
'vtable for MT2NalinClass'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status


means that some virtual func is not being found... OR some pure virtual
func of a base-class is getting left unimplemented-- possibly due to some
#define for some conditional compilation.
But I want IDE suggestions-- since Eclipse seems useless-- and so does
XCODE - to diagnose cause of this error.

(2) How does one pass options to the ndk-build script for pre-processor
symbols ie: #define(s) one wants-- the code to see as defined during
compilation.
ie: something like gcc's -D[symbol-name] option-- for the ndk-build script
on android.

Do let me know...

Thanks in anticipation and Best Regards,

Nalin
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[ilugd] another question about GIT

[Nalin Savara]

Hi Friends...
The same problem again.
I built a product upon a HelloWorld type application given with a open
source SDK.

Hence ; if my files were in:
/sdkpath/samples/helloWorld

only the folder "helloWorld" I made into git repos-- and repeatedly
committed.

Now; I want to make changes to the parent tree also-- and commit the entire
parent tree to a GIT main repository-- eg: bitbucket.

However, I notice that when I do a:
 git mv [folder-name] [target-name]
OR
git mv [filename] [target-name]

then... the entire commit history is lost--> and doing a diff with the base
file-- just shows "file renamed".


How to avoid this-- and retain the commit history ?

Do let me know...

Thanks and Regards,

Nalin
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Re: [ilugd] [LUG@IITD:16821] Re: a question about GIT

[Nalin Savara]

On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Shantanu Gupta  wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Nalin Savara  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 3:22 PM, ragsagar  wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Nalin Savara  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi People...
>>>>
>>>> 
>>
>> Thanks a ton ragsagar... that truely helps.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Nalin
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Mailing list guidelines and other related articles:
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>>
>
> Please don't "snip" responses/suggestions/solutions when you reply to a
> mailing list unless you have an appalling reason to do so.
>

Buddy... Shantanu... reason for snipping is same as reason for not
top-posting-- that people getting dozens of messages in a digest find it
impossible to manage them because of large content size and repititions.

Will therefore continue.

Also, "apalling"-- means "horrifying"-- hence not sure what you meant when
you said: "unless you have a apalling reason...".

Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] a question about GIT

[Nalin Savara]

On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 3:22 PM, ragsagar  wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Nalin Savara  wrote:
>
>> Hi People...
>>
>> 

Thanks a ton ragsagar... that truely helps.

Regards,

Nalin
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[ilugd] a question about GIT

[Nalin Savara]

Hi People...

A few questions:--

(1) I have a git repository that's organized as:
[repository-name]/nalinFolder
There are around 20 subfolders in it-- and around 200 files-- and 10-15
commits have been done.

(2) I want to change the structure slightly... and after that add more
files and folders.
I want the new structure to be:

[repository-name]/[folder1]/[folder2]/nalinFolder
ANd I want to do this while preserving the commits and comments with
commits.

(3)
And after I have moved the "nalinFolder" to be a directory
repos-name/folder1/folder2 --->> I will add more files and folders to
repos-name and folder1 --> which are not yet under version control

What are the GIT commands/steps to achieve the above ?

I am a bit confused and will really appreciate help/support from anyone who
has played around with GIT a bit.

Regards,

Nalin
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Re: [ilugd] Has INTEL been taken over by m$ or is it a market-manipulation tie-up ??

[Nalin Savara]

My comments below:

On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Chirag Anand wrote:

> On 25 January 2013 12:58, Saurabh Jain  wrote:
>


> > Rather than upgrade the processor, you
> > should get a new system. And no, the old board+processor does not end
> > up in a landfill. It will live on in the second hand market. On the
> > other hand, if you upgraded just the processor, then the old processor
> > would end up in the trash most of the time.
>
> The second hand market will soon die after a couple of years after
> this gets implemented.
>
> "the king is dead... Long live The King"...
that's the saying I remember when I hear stuff like "death of second hand
market...

Personally I agree with the concerns-- but I strongly believe that if Intel
and Microsoft cannot live up to the challenge... someone else will come in
and take their place.

We live in Interesting Times-- I must say!

Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] Has INTEL been taken over by m$ or is it a market-manipulation tie-up ??

[Nalin Savara]

On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Sudhir Gandotra  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Yesterday I found that Intel is not making any motherboard that supports
> Linux on Desktop.
> The vendor made me talk to an Intel guy on conference, who said "Intel
> makes Server boards that support Linux, since Linux is largely used on
> servers only".  They do have many boards that supports widows.
>
> Sounds strange. Is it that m$ has bought over Intel or is it some kind of
> market-manipulation tie-up going on there ? Will be good to know, if anyone
> has more information.
>
> In such situation, are there boards by other makers that support Linux on
> Desktop or does one have the only option of shifting over to AMD ?
>
> it's a interesting development-- and lets see how this plays out.

I personally dont think this has anything to do with MS-- just Intel's own
strategic plans...

Like they say "atishoo, atishoo, atishoo and we all fall down..."

Wonder if MS will fall and take everyone else also down with it...

(except Linux and except Google ofcourse!!! )

Regards,

Nalin


> Sudhir Gandotra,
> *Wishing you the Freedom to be Human*
> *OpenLX Inc.
> *
>
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Re: [ilugd] Remembering Raj Mathur

[Nalin Savara]

My (non-top-posted) reply below:--

On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Gora Mohanty  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I suspect that it will take some time for all of us to come to terms
> with the fact that OldMonk will never again be annoying^W gracing
> us with his wisecracks. His mother, who is not at all computer-savvy
> has requested a compilation of remembrances of him; especially
> about what people have been saying about his passing. Therefore,
> I request all of you to share with me (off-list, if you prefer) anything
> in this regard. I am currently aware of:
> * Posts on this list
> * Facebook posts from people who are on my list of friends
> * EFY write-up
>

Nice initiative Gora... incidentally, even I had spent the last hour or so
creating a facebook page in Raj's memory... and trying to spread the word
of prayer meeting in Raj's memory to friends.

I am sure there are literally thousands of people whose life Raj-- as well
as his postings/FOSS contributions would have touched over the years, and
it is nice to see that Raj will live forever in our hearts.

In my case... I was a kid when I first came in contact with Raj in the
1990s... by the BBS he then started... went out of touch... except to ping
him off and on for help-- till I burst back onto the ILUG-D scene around
2006.

Regards,

Nalin
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Re: [ilugd] Prayer meeting in honour of Raj Mathur

[Nalin Savara]

I have created a facebook event for prayer service for Raj; as well as a
facebook page so that the word can spread further; do visit, and mark as
attending on:

http://www.facebook.com/events/174527039337842

Also, facebook page in Raj's memory:

http://www.facebook.com/RajMathurLinux

Personally I remember that the first time I heard-of/interacted online with
Raj was in the 1990s-->> when he started a BBS... at the time he was still
with Silicon Graphics... and still married... then took some help from him
around 2001-- and mostly went out of touch again till 2006/2007--> when I
became active on LUG once again.

-Nalin

On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Gora Mohanty  wrote:

> Please also feel free to contact me tomorrow
> (Sun.) at 9868527992 for directions.
>
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Re: [ilugd] Shocking and Sad news.

[Nalin Savara]

On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Kishore Bhargava wrote:

> 12-12-12. What a very very sad day. We lost a very dear friend, Raj Mathur.
>
> People who knew and have met Raj will always remember him as a lively and
> humourous person - brutally honest and a man of principles.
>
> Raj was a founder member of the Indian Linux Users Group and a very active
> member of the Free and Open Source community. Well respected and extremely
> knowledgable, he was often sought after for advice which he readily
> dispersed.
>
> Hi,

My deepest condolences.
I have many happy memories of running into Raj at a coffee shop that I used
to frequent-- and many times Raj would insist on ordering a capuchinno for
me too.

This is shocking-- what happened exactly to Raj ?

Was he unwell ? OR was it a accident OR violence ?

Also, if there is a address / link to the rituals-- even I would like to go
and offer my condolences.

Regards,

Nalin
ps: Request Kishore or any others who are aware to send me a unicast email.

pps: mailed Kishore/Niyam-- but incase anyone else is online at this hour
and aware of details regarding last rites-- incase they happen tomorrow
early-- do also feel free to drop me a email.
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Re: [ilugd] The founder of Sugar labs, Walter Bender, will be in India from about 21-29 August

[Nalin Savara]

verRRy nicEE... Though when I read Sugar Labs, I thought SugarCRM...

Lookin forward to his Delhi schedule

Regards,

Nalin

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[ilugd] OT - Kenneth Gonsalves (KG / Lawgon ) Passed Away

[Nalin Savara]

Dear All,
Please join me in condoling the death of Kenneth Gonsalves- a FOSS
afficionado and a person whose straigjht talk/frankness was rare.

KG (Kenneth Gonsalvas) passed away. He was admitted in hospital due to
Asthma attack and passed away today(3rd August) morning. In him, the Indian
Linux community has lost a great contributor, promoter, guide and leader of
FOSS. Deep condolences to his family and to his friends, certainly the FOSS
mailing list is going to miss him very badly. May his soul rest in peace
and let us convey our deep condolence to bereaved family members.

Kenneth was a lawyer- much older than many of us here-- who started on the
software/FOSS path somewhat later in life-- and finding it to be his true
calling devoted himself to nurturing and growing FOSS and the
resource-center he was connected with.

May his soul rest in peace...

-Nalin
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Re: [ilugd] Welcome to GNU Coreutils Tips service

[Nalin Savara]

nice service Anoop... Knowing how many Unix-like platforms including
Android are built on the core of things like these, I feel it's a
commendable effort.

Here's wishing you all the best.

-Nalin

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[ilugd] any joomla people here-- need help migrating joomla from 1.5.x to 1.7 using jupgrade extension.

[Nalin Savara]

Hi Folks,
I need some help.

Am trying to upgrade joomla 1.5 to 1.7 using a joomla extension called jupgrade.

As you would know-- this is not a smooth upgrade but a migration of data.

I will really appreciate if some of you who have done this before drop
me a email-- preferably with your contact number and/or
google-talk/IM/skype ID.

I need to bounce some thoughts off someone who has done this before--
to help me get past a obstacle.

Thanks in Anticipation and best Regards,

Nalin

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Re: [ilugd] FSF donation drive at GeekMeetup at Delhi/NCR #FSF #FreeSoftware

[Nalin Savara]

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:08 AM, Mahesh T. Pai  wrote:

> Narendra, please go ahead. Too bad I would be coming there in person,
> else mine would have been one of the largest donations.
>
"***Too bad I would be coming there in person, else mine would have
***"-- I think you made a typing mistake here Mahesh!!!

-N.S

> --
> Mahesh T. Pai   ||

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Re: [ilugd] Delhi/NCR FOSS meetup - call for session/presentation

[Nalin Savara]

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Zareef Ahmed  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I would like to do a presentation on Drupal and its future prospects.
> Basically I would like to address following questions/process in my
> presentation.
>
> 1. Why drupal is better than other CMS in general?
> 2. Which kind of problems Drupal developer usually face?
> 3. Role of a "Drupal Designer"
> 4. Why many version 6 modules are giving nightmares?
> 5. Drupal 7  : Whats new and how it will help?
>
+1 from me on that.
I would love to see a talk on drupal.

Regards,

Nalin

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Re: [ilugd] [LUG@IITD:10912] Delhi FOSS meet

[Nalin Savara]

26th dec sunday ?
At what time ?

26th dec sunday may be a bit of a problem for me.

Regards,

Nalin

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Re: [ilugd] Delhi ILUG meet

[Nalin Savara]

yesss... Great idea...
We should have a delhi foss meet...

Apart from malls, we can also meet in pvr anupam or at a park... As
weather is good these days...

Regards,

Nalin

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Re: [ilugd] Wikileaks To Leak 5000 Open Source Java Projects With All That Private/Final Bullshit Removed

[Nalin Savara]

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Ashish SHUKLA  wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA512
>
> EYJAFJÖLL, ICELAND — Java programmers around the globe are in a panic today
> over a Wikileaks press release issued at 8:15am GMT. Wikileaks announced
> that
> they will re-release the source code for thousands of Open Source Java
> projects, making all access modifiers 'public' and all classes and members
> non-'final'.
>
> haha... Good one man!!!

Even in India, we should write scripts to automatically check out-- modify--
and commit code!!!

-N.S
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Re: [ilugd] Linux installation in labs

[Nalin Savara]

A Disclaimer: I am not associated with Freedom Labs-- beyond having
personally interacted with Aveek and Narendra-- and assuming positive rather
than bad intentions.

@Pratul,
@Amar,
@Nishant,
@Nandeep:

Instead of criticizing Freedom Labs-- you should first understand their
background and motives.

They are trying to do what for a lot of school administrators is a big
headache-- and if for that they want enough to reimburse their cost of
conveyance and media-- then it is ok.

Logically they could have also put it as "in exchange for tea, biscuits and
autorickshaw fare"-- but frankly-- I think they did much better to say "bare
minimum cost"-- so that it can be discussed upfront-- rather than a
school-principal saying "yes, yes, come on tuesday"-- and after that they
saying "but sir... who to contact to re-imburse autorickshaw fare"

@Pratul:
Would you leave your work-- and show up on a tuesday morning at 11:30.. to
spend five hours installing linux and doing mundane chores :?

@Amar:
Let us see you walk away from your work on a tuesday or wednesday-- when you
have made committments to your project lead-- and sit and do mundane
chores... which most people will find ultra-boring ?

would your project lead be ok, watching the deadlines slide ?
---

Frankly... if beyond a hobby you guys are willing to leave your full-time
work committments-- and do this work in a service oriented way... as per the
demands and time schedule of the person you are serving--- then continue
your rants.

If you dont... then it is better that they say "at minimum cost"-- rather
than say "free, except for two cups tea and conveyance reimbursement";
because no matter how ugly it sounds... the former implies a professional
committment... while the latter implies charity, but also whimsicalness and
subject to the other guy's availability and convenience.

Regards,

Nalin
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Re: [ilugd] AICTE, FOSS and us

[Nalin Savara]

My reply below.

On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Gora Mohanty  wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 18:17:28 +0530
> Mohit Singh  wrote:
>
> > Dear FOSSouls,
> >
> >
> > It is a matter of great concern for all of us that proliferation
> > of FOSS is being severely countered by 'AICTE Inspector Raj' in
> > engineering institutions. We have no evidences as of now -
> > because we have not involved 'TEHELKA.COM' till now, but the
> > evidences are the experiences of may heads of institutions.
>
> Dear Mohit,
>
>  No disrespect intended, but I am at a loss at understanding what
> you are talking about here. From what little I know, AICTE is
> some kind of a sarkaari regulatory body for education. Where does
> tehelka.com factor in here?
>
> Clarifying Tehelka reference:

The Tehelka.com factor is because there is nobody to conduct a sting and
trap the AICTE guys red-handed.

That's what Mohit refers to-- that even though there is no evidence of
actual wrong-doing-- we should assume the worst (as per my understanding of
what Mohit is saying)-- and try to transform the assumed worst into a FOSS
friendly scenario.

Also, from my side: No disrespect intended here to Gora-- past or future;
sock masked (:-) for sting or unmasked-- but just adding trying to help by
clarifying.

Regards,

Nalin
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Re: [ilugd] Perl Developers In India

[Nalin Savara]

On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Gaurav Mishra wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Raj Mathur  wrote:
> > On Saturday 06 Mar 2010, Swapnil Bhartiya wrote:
> >> I visited CeBIT this year and met the Perl community. They are very
> >>  much interested in getting in touch with the Indian Perl community.
> >>  If there are Perl developers, please let me know and I will put you
> >>  in direct contact with the team.
> >
>

Am there too Swapnil; infact did a lot on Perl and mod-perl on Apache a
decade back.

Regards,

NS
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Re: [ilugd] evolution+multisync+openSyncML to Nokia over bluetooth

[Nalin Savara]

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Mahesh T. Pai  wrote:
>
>One manufacturer actually uses the Linux kernel and refuses to give
>out the code.
>
May I ask, what is the name of this manufacturer ?

Regards,

NS
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Re: [ilugd] evolution+multisync+openSyncML to Nokia over bluetooth

[Nalin Savara]

Hi Niyam,

Really sorry to learn about your mobile problems.

Scroll down for my replies...

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Linux Lingam  wrote:

> >  > a regular bluetooth connection within wammu also failed,
> >  > though the mobile connects easily with my computer over bluetooth for
> >  > drag-and-drop.
> >
> > See http://wammu.eu/phones/nokia/?page=6
> > and
> > http://wammu.eu/phones/nokia/?page=5
> >
> > E series has one of the worst supports on g/wammu.
>
> thanks had discovered that resource yesterday.
> frustrating. if i ever meet the ceo or product head or president of nokia,
> i will slap him for forcing me to use a proprietary OS.
> mobile phones today outstrip computers in volumes of units.
> i don't understand why mobile-companies have to restrict themselves to
> one platform
> from computers.
>
> meanwhile, my next phone won't be a nokia, obviously.
>
>
> > If you have gprs connection, you can update the firmware ov er GPRS,
> > that is what I think.
> >
>
> naah! nokia thinks not. have tried that route too.
>
> so ladies and gentlemen, here we are:
> a full 779 contacts scrolling along merrily in evolution on ubuntu 9.04
> with a bluetooth interface that drags and drops files between the
> computer and the mobile,
> but no way in hell for me to transfer those contacts from evolution,
> over bluetooth, to the phone.
>
> anyone knows of a cloud-cover, where i could upload these contacts free,
> and then from there download into the phone, perhaps using a
> client-software in the mobile,
> or by some sync-o-magic between the mobile and the cloud-interface?
>
> from the psychotic-realm of fantasy:
>
> 01. does anyone know of an OCR-in-video software that works on the mobile,
> so i could video-record on my mobile all my contacts in evolution scrolling
> at full-speed, and then the software munches the video-clip to extract
> the data and sort it into the mobile?
>
> 02. anybody knows a yogi or a tantric who could induce temporary
> telepathy between
> the mobile and the ubuntu laptop so all the contacts could be
> channeled astrally?
>
> LOL !!! This yogi or tantric may violate the fundamentalist percepts of
your religion... so wont tell ya-- lest this list crucify me!!!


> 03. is there a free text-to-speech software that could read out all
> the 779 records in evolution
> which i could record using the voice-recorder in the mobile, and then
> run a free software on the
> mobile that handles speech-to-text on this recording, with a clever
> script to save each field and record
> in its proper place?
>
> If you can write a script like this-- then why not instead bluetooth all
contacts to your phone-- and let your script enter them into the contacts
list ??


> 04. anybody has a large sledge-hammer so i could smash this mobile and
> ubuntu-laptop into smithereens
> after i jot down all the contact-details into a handmade-paper diary
> with an ink-pen?
>


You can also IMPORT the VCF files into Microsoft Outlook Express-- and then
use Nokia PC-Suite to synchronize your phone with outlook.

If attempting to smash you phone-- give it to me-- I will experiment with it
for few months, and then do the smashing for you!!! ;-)

<>>

Good Luck and Best Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] [Commercial] ilug.in and ilug.org.in For Sale

[Nalin Savara]

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Kinshuk Sunil wrote:

> I completely agree with Sudev here
>
> Hi Kinshuk, Others,
Please dont top-post.

Recently even some seemingly senior members had a thread where they
un-hesitatingly top-posted.

If it's in your hands-- then please do try to make sure you dont top-post
like this.

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Re: [ilugd] when.you.have.google.why.use.bing.com

[Nalin Savara]

On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:04 AM, Nandeep Mali  wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Sawrub  wrote:
> > The URL mentioned down shows up bing , but can't understand what's
> cooking
> > up there at MS why have they used such a URL. Please help me solve if
> there
> > is any pointer.
> > http://when.you.have.google.why.use.bing.com/
>
> There is nothing special about it. Their server is setup that way. Try
> any other random weird url:
>
> http://sawrub.mailed.me.awesome.stuff.bing.com/
>
> http://what.the.hell.bing.com/
>
> http://i.do.not.care.because.its.fake.bing.com/
>
> Somebody just discovered it and spread it around. Make your own and
> impress (read: dupe) your less tech savvy friends/family.
>
> That's so cool !!!
I really liked it...

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Re: [ilugd] No mails for many days?

[Nalin Savara]

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Sahil Dave  wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Rahul Bhargava 
> wrote:
>
> > No activity is my bet.
> >
>
> Might be a lull before the storm!
>
> +1 from me on that-- haha good comment!!!

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Re: [ilugd] Nokia 5800 and Linux

[Nalin Savara]

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Raj Mathur  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Bought myself a Nokia 5800 (yes, it's the XpressMusic series) phone
> recently and was trying to get it to play nice with Debian.  Finally
> managed to backup contact information from the phone into a directory,
> and did a little HOWTO on it for posterity.  Feedback welcome.
>
> http://wiki.kandalaya.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/SynchroniseNokia5800Linux
>

Cool writeup- much appreciated.

BTW you (Raj Mathur) write:

>*GPS Traces* and *GPS Places* import into jOSM without problems. Mapped a
couple

>of tracks outside Manali and B Block Munirka so far.

>

What software did you use to capture GPS traces ?

IIRC, I couldnt find any built in GPS trace recording software in 5800 and
when I used--

I used a java based trail explorer software installed onto the 5800. Did you
also use the same ?

Or if you use some built-in GPS trace command-- then please tell me also how
and which menu/command you used.

Just wondering...

Best Wishes and Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] Unable to install RHEL 5.4

[Nalin Savara]

See my message below.

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar
wrote:

>
>
> If the media check test is passed and does not show any problems, then
> the problem lies somewhere else.
>
> Shouting at support may not help you to get immediate solution. But
> being polite and giving correct input to the support people always
> works for everyone.
>
> --Sudhanwa
>
> +1 from me on this!!!

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Re: [ilugd] Unable to install RHEL 5.4

[Nalin Savara]

See my answer below quoted mail...

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Harish Pillay wrote:

> > I'm trying to install RHEL 5.4 from DVD. During start installing process
> it
> > gives error : "file ncurses-5.5-24-20060715.i386.rpm cannot be opened.
> This
> > is due to missing file, a corrupt package of corrupt media. Please verify
> > your installation source."
> >
> > Please let me know urgently what can be done to fix this issue.
>
> Assuming that you have downloaded the CD from Red Hat Network, you
> might want to check it and perhaps reburn the ISO. Or, go get the RPM
> in question and check the MD5 of that a compare it against the one on
> the CD.
>
> If the media was shipped to you and it is defective, please do contact Red
> Hat (or Red Hat partner) to get a replacement.
>
> There really is no problem in sorting this out.  It is pretty straight
> forward.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> 

Also, Incase you have "just got the CDs but not official from RedHat"--then,
instead of RHEL (RedHat Ent Linux), install the equivalent version of
CentOS-- CentOS is the same thing but freely downloadable and free to
copy/distribute-- because it is made by using RedHat's spources by community
rather than by redhat which charges for support etc.

Hope that helps...

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Re: [ilugd] kernel Programming

[Nalin Savara]

On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Vishal Garg wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> >
> > I just wanted to know if there are any kernel developers in our
> community.
> >
> > It would be nice to have some interactions and discussions if possible.
> > Any other person interested to start is also welcome to reply :)
> >
>
> well kernel programming interests me a lot, how should I go about it?
>
>
Even I am interested in Linux Kernel programming-- and would like to
participate in any discussions and/or hands-on sessions about kernel
programming.

Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] Greetings etc.

[Nalin Savara]

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Raj Mathur  wrote:

> With the festival season looming large on everyone's horizon, a quick
> note:
>
> I'd be very glad to receive PERSONAL greetings from you, and would
> definitely respond with my best wishes.  However, please don't take the
> lazy way out and send greetings to the whole list -- rather than keeping
> silent and being though an uncaring person, it confirms that you really
> are not interested in the very people you're trying to greet.
>
>
Thanks for posting the message-- and saving us from a lot of spam-- your
efforts are appreciated!!!

Best Wishes for [*] and Regards,

NS
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Re: [ilugd] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

[Nalin Savara]

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Chirag Anand wrote:

> > However, people congregating around such threads is not necessarily bad--
> > since it helps even people who dont have much technical to say- to come
> out
> > of lurker mode-- and connect/communicate with other members.
> > And IMHO that's better than randomly adding folks over linkedin... isnt
> it
> ?
>
>
> I think there are better ways to get out of lurker mode. Think of asking
> some questions, introduce yourself to the list, tell them what you are
> doing, why did you join the list and the like...
>
>
Thanks for the kind suggestions Chirag-- but I am not really a lurker-- am
referring to a lot of others-- who'd come out of lurker mode only when a hot
OT topic is discussed.

Anyways... good idea to send link to people who spam...

Best Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

[Nalin Savara]

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Nalin Savara  wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Raj Mathur  wrote:
>
>> On Friday 16 Oct 2009, Chirag Anand wrote:
>> > Sometimes, I just wonder that why these topics get way more replies
>> >  than topics where people need some help. Why don't we just ignore
>> >  the post and carry on? People who want to join his network are free
>> >  to do so and people who don't, just ignore it...
>>
>> Because...
>>
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/msg19797.html
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -- Raju
>> --
>>
>
> However, people congregating around such threads is not necessarily bad--
> since it helps even people who dont have much technical to say- to come out
> of lurker mode-- and connect/communicate with other members.
>
> And IMHO that's better than randomly adding folks over linkedin... isnt it
> ?
>
>
Though ofcourse, to be clear-- I HATE SPAM!!!

(and that's something I'd like to shout out).

Also, atleast on some social sites-- I tend to be very selective about whose
friend-requests I accept.

Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

[Nalin Savara]

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Raj Mathur  wrote:

> On Friday 16 Oct 2009, Chirag Anand wrote:
> > Sometimes, I just wonder that why these topics get way more replies
> >  than topics where people need some help. Why don't we just ignore
> >  the post and carry on? People who want to join his network are free
> >  to do so and people who don't, just ignore it...
>
> Because...
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/msg19797.html
>
> Regards,
>
> -- Raju
> --
>

However, people congregating around such threads is not necessarily bad--
since it helps even people who dont have much technical to say- to come out
of lurker mode-- and connect/communicate with other members.

And IMHO that's better than randomly adding folks over linkedin... isnt it ?

Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] FOSS booklets ,

[Nalin Savara]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Nandeep Mali  wrote:

>
> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:42 PM, narendra sisodiya <
> > narendra.sisod...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > May ILUGD and Sarai members give us the link to some
> That might be true but distributing booklets cannot be considered less
> effective than internet. At least IMHO. I'll still prefer a book over
> an HTML link handed out to me. Why not have both?
>
> ---
>

to save trees.

Could instead hand over stickers with the URL printed on them.

Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] FOSS booklets ,

[Nalin Savara]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:42 PM, narendra sisodiya <
narendra.sisod...@gmail.com> wrote:

> May ILUGD and Sarai members give us the link to some
> articles/tutorials/booklet which you feel suitable to distribute on
> Introductory Course Material for FOSS workshops in new Engg colleges.
> If anybody has such booklet ,, Also the initial thought in my mind for
> giving these contents, Please feel free to add topics
>
> * 3 Principles
> ** Collaboration, Community, Sharing
>



Quick question; why not have the booklet in hypertext (HTML) format and
online-- with a shortened URL ?

And a embedded link to "Google Translate" service-- that will save a lot of
the hassles of paper booklets-- and people not strong in english can even
see translations in hindi, and other languages ?

Will help solve a lot of limitations of paper-- and will also be
environmentally friendly...

You could just collect the attendee list-- and mail them the URL-- and also
have "tell a friend" link on each page.

What say ???

Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] Photos of FOSSCOMM Mumbai Meeting, 11th September 2009

[Nalin Savara]

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Venkatesh Hariharan wrote:

> The FOSSCOMM Mumbai Meeting photos are now online at:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/venky7/sets/72157622560678420/
>
> It's been an intense and interesting day-long discussion. Will send an
> update later. Meanwhile, enjoy the photos :-)
>
> Venky
>
>
11th Sept ? Or 11th Oct ?

Or that reference to sept 11 a Freudian slip... given activists propensity
to look at their particular field of activism as being world-changingly
disruptive ???

hehe-- pardon the leg-pulling- but I believe it should have been written
than 11th oct rather than 9/11 (mm dd)

Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] Advice needed: which notebook

[Nalin Savara]

What os did your benq net book come bundled with ?

Regards,
N. S

On 10/8/09, devesh  wrote:
> Hi,
> I bought BenQ Joybook *Lite U101. **Its awesome and I liked too. It looks
> sexy with fedora 11 (even windows 7) ;). The beauty of this netbook is its
> keyboard (90% of normal) and its look & weight.*
>
> Refer : http://www.benq.co.in/products/joybook/?product=1419
>
> Cost : 23,500/- (with external Benq dvd writer)
>
> Regards,
> Devesh
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-- 
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Re: [ilugd] Google Ties up with Microsoft ??? I am feeling lucky.

[Nalin Savara]

Hi List,

Here are the three points I was making:--

(1) Point-1
@Neha:
>Also, thanks for that twitter/tinyurl explanation. It didn't make
>any sense
>at all. :-)
>
(and I am explicitly verbalizing this point-- because I feel it would help
you think-- in terms of designing solutions to problems-- I had assumed that
you/list would see the point and find it interesting-- just as I guess
Narendra must have subconsciously put together a chain of logic before using
tiny-url)

My poor-jokes apart; my point being--

(a) Beyond allowing for shorter URLs; even if the tiny-URL takes the same or
more characters; Tiny URL gives a layer of abstraction allowing a user to
create a reference to a URL.

(b) using tiny-url, a user can share a url-reference-- which can be
optionally de-referenced-- instead of sharing the actual URL.

(c) Given points (a) and (b)--- one can visualize a large number of
situations-- infact a entire category of situations--- both humorous and
practical-- where a user can benefit from sharing a reference to a URL
instead of the actual URL.

Narendra's answer--- share references to eduvid in his mail signature, so
that his mail-signatures are not indexed by google- and hence not mailed to
him in google-alerts--- is a example of a practical situation falling in the
above category (since google's crawler-bot index content as-is instead of
de-referencing tiny-urls before indexing them).

(2) Point-2
About search being different-- whether a user is logged-on OR not-- my
comments were based on much publicized interviews on google's strategy
towards personalized search-- by Google's vice-president of search products.

The person who first asked/mentioned this-- based their question on actual
observation of search results being different whether logged on or not.

(3) Point-3-- chrome versus others.

I would say- opinions of all of us on this are pure speculation-- but I
would deem my own views as a qualified opinion, rather than a random guess.
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 5:23 AM, Kamal  wrote:

> Nalin Savara wrote:
>
> snip...
>
>> About browser specific searches; I beg to differ with Neha; it's very
>> much possible and definitely google would want chrome to have a
>> advantage---
>>
>
> Having an "advantage" that it hides from browsers other than chrome is
> pretty counter-intuitive for Google's business. Also, if their disclosures
> and
> public announcements (and i would want to add philosophy) can be
> believed, the first phrase that comes to mind is "Do no evil"!
>
> That's one way of saying it.

Another way of saying it is-- "a experimental public trial of a slightly
improved version of personalized search".

Anyways. I shared a opinion-- based on what I have seen, working in the IT
industry-- I am not going to argue further.
---

Best Wishes and Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] Google Ties up with Microsoft ??? I am feeling lucky.

[Nalin Savara]

actually it's a conscious decision on google's part.. Since around a
year back google wanted to note in direction of personalizing  search
results to make them more relevant for individuals based on their
browsing history.

Since the last 4-6 months they have done many things - including
tracking logged in user's google search and click history and letting
users clear their history.

However as a way of letting users choose to opt in or not; google only
tracks logged in users and does not do personalized search for people
who log out or are not logged in.

Also, while logically it can do it; google does not try to track
cookies based on ip,cookie pair for non logged-in users.

Thats why you see different search results. This is open information
based on google disclosures.

About browser specific searches; I beg to differ with Neha; it's very
much possible and definitely google would want chrome to have a
advantage--- but personally I havent heard of or read about any public
announcements on  browser specific searches.

I hope that helps.

Regards,

Nalin
Ps: from mobile- but look- no top posting

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Re: [ilugd] Google Ties up with Microsoft ??? I am feeling lucky.

[Nalin Savara]

Scroll down for my reply...

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:18 AM, Neha Oberoi  wrote:

> Hi Narendra,
>
> > Different result may occur because you have logged in one browser with
> Google account.
>
>
> I don't really think thats a reason. Google wont change its results for
> Firefox or Chrome. Accounts are just Google's way of storing what you're
> searching. ;-)
>
> Btw, your signature has really intrigued me. You *have* to answer this one.
>
> According to your signature, your Twitter URL is http://twitter.com/eduvid
> ,
> which has 4+3+7+1+3+1+6 = 25 characters.
> But instead of the Twitter URL, you've Tinyurl'd it and then put it in your
> signature.
> So looking at your Tinyurl'd Twitter URL, which is
> http://tinyurl.com/dz7e4a,
> it again has 4+3+7+1+3+1+6 = 25 characters.
>
> So both the URLs, the shortened one, and the original one, have 25
> characters.
>
> Could you please explain it to me, that why on earth would you tinyurl
> something like a twitter url, when the number of characters remains the
> same
> in both of them?
>
>
Hi Neha, Ilugd,

PMFJI, and answering for a parallel NS, but one advantage of tiny-url-ing
the twitter link is that it's add a layer of abtraction, which could help
him change or expire the underlying 'implementation details'- the twitter
link-- hide what he is up-to--

that's helpful incase:--

(a) he is stalked by the wrong kind of girl--

(b) OR incase he is double-dating and wants to entertain his hero-worshiping
geek buddies with his sexcapades keeping some newly met people in the dark

(c) OR incase he takes pangas and picks up a fight with the wrong set of
people--- and needs to misinform them of his where-abouts!

so as you can see, even though it doesnt save characters, it can infact save
Narendra from a few types of characters!!!
HTH,

BTW, Neha incase you are not yet a member  of mailing list for LUG @ IITD ;
please do join that-- since there are a variety of community events
announced there.

Best Wishes and Regards,

NS
ps: Narendra: hope I am not too far off-target!!!
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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Nalin Savara]

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:37 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote:

> On 08/26/2009 10:58 PM, Nalin Savara wrote:
>
>> This is a proprietary compiler based on gcc-- which compiles to generate
>> code targetted at a MIPS microprocessor used in a consumer electronics
>> device.
>>
> ...
>
>  Karan, if we cannot agree-- then let us agree to disagree-- as gentlemen.
>>
>
> I dont haveto agree with you on anything, what you were saying in your
> emails is essentially FUD. I've only tried to point that out to you in
> slightly clearer terms.
>
> With due respect to you-- I said "we can disagree as gentlemen".

I'm not asking you to agree-- but I am asking that for the sake of this
list-- we behave as gentlemen.

The part about my views being FUD -- is your own opinion which you are
welcome to-- but which you'd better not present as the gospel truth.

GET THAT ?

Thanks and Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Nalin Savara]

> On 08/26/2009 11:38 AM, Anupam Jain wrote:
>
>> I am not familiar with the Boss Linux team but over the past 2-3 years
>> I've had run-ins with other Govt. agencies building Linux
>> distributions (yes there are others and their functioning is obscure
>> by design.). But you would not see my chest swell up with pride, for
>> these may technically be open source projects but the spirit is
>> proprietary and the hidden agenda behind any such govt. effort is
>> pretty clear
>>
>
@Anupam :

+1 from me (about lack of visibility)
However-- what you say may or may not be the case-- but I believe we are not
the authorities to judge that. And I do strongly believe that something good
may yet come out of it-- products take a long time to fructify-- and in a
govt sponsored effort, it's often sensible for a team to just keep at what
one is doing-- as debate before one has achieved something can cause a
effort (in a govt setting) to get shot down.

That's just my opinion- which you may differ with.
And I stand by my view that it's better to contribute (given a chance) than
to criticize.

@Karan:
>What project is that then ? and whats your contribution there ?
>
This is a proprietary compiler based on gcc-- which compiles to generate
code targetted at a MIPS microprocessor used in a consumer electronics
device.

Karan, if we cannot agree-- then let us agree to disagree-- as gentlemen.

Your remarks that "I seriously hope for the well being of the project ..."
are totally unnecessary and uncalled for and amount to a personal attack.

You better STOP THIS NOW. OK ?

I stand by what I have said-- and I believe that while your views may be
different and acceptable to many, my views are valid too.

Maybe someday we will have a chance to talk in person-- have a serious
debate-- but until then, it's best if you dont (without knowing anything
about me or my background) do not blindly make random and vicious remarks.


Thanks and Regards,

Nalin
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Re: [ilugd] [OT] Any Good Online Tshirt making site in India for Linux Tshirt

[Nalin Savara]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar
wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:37 PM, narendra
> sisodiya wrote:
> > Do anybody know any good Tshirt making site in India? I want to print
> Linux
> > Tshirt !!
> > the design is follows
> > * Front - Logo of penguin
> > * Back - Red Pill Quote - http://twitpic.com/f4tpb
> > or vise varsa (quote on front , logo on back )
> >
> > any suggestions/comments ??
> > --
>
> Any nearby photolab can print T shirts from whatever image you give them.
>
> I think BigBazaar also has those photography counters at many places.
>
> Pricing is about Rs. 200-300 per piece.
>

Yes-- that's true!!!

And that is what I referred to-- when I said about using a printer to print
"transfers"-- which you can use to iron the logo onto a garment.

Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Nalin Savara]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Raj Mathur  wrote:

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Anurag  wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Nalin Savara  wrote:
>
> > @BOSS Team, NRC FOSS people etc:
> > GREAT JOB GUYS!!!
>


@Raj, Anurag (Karan apart from unicast mail to you, see point (3) below):

Guys... perhaps my choice of words and description of details in earlier
mail could have been better.

But it's ok-- I dont mind the sarcasm-- since I have a valid point (based on
facts not opinion)-- and seeing a message touching a raw nerve gives me a
chance to refine and articulate my own thoughts better.

I had been exposed to more specific overtures of Microsoft to policy makers
etc-- and that scares me and pushes me to contribute and/or actually
encourage people who are contributing to FOSS in india.

Please find below my kind comments:--

(1) My mail was based on my own career and product development experience--
that products always take longer than expected to develop--- and if one
starts looking at weaknesses/non-compliances/faults too early--- the
development may never reach critical speed OR critical mass-- and may drag
on forever.

It is a well studied phenomena among product develop professionals in
various fields called-- that if you dont have any prototype OR feature
complete product early (no matter how buggy)--- then chances are it is going
to take a order of magnitude more time to converge upon a stable and usable
final shippable product.

IMHO, this applies to Linux distros also.

>From that point of view, the only point I tried to make was "contribute
rather than criticize".
Because arguments like "if they dont have xxx then they are non-compliant"--
while good for debates dont actually contribute to a better BOSS Linux.

(2)On this list & in free software community::
 The main grouse earlier with BOSS linux was that it's source code was not
freely downloadable-- and the BOSS Linux guys were not quick in responding
to seemingly valid queries.

Now the sources are downloadable-- and they are actually trying to gauge
industry applicability of their Linux Distro--- so it is up to us-- to
review the quality and to comment on improvements and necessary additions
(including if necessary comments from people like us on the bugginess and
completeness of their build scripts and toolchains).

(3) No offense or insult was intended-- but yes, as I later wrote in a
unicast mail to Karan-- microsoft has unlimited millions of dollars to lobby
policy makers-- and if we ourselves give them ammunition to attack FOSS in
India--- then we should not cry if some minister or secretary level IAS
officer decides to "push for low TCO (Total Cost of Ownership)" or decides
to push for "legal software" (and hence branding BOSS Linux as "not totally
legal").

Thanks and Regards,

NS

ps: yes, and in working on a Open Source project to adapt GNU GCC toolchain
for a new platform, even I have faced these comments of "absent build
scripts"; "you are not GNU compliant" and "you are crushing innocent flowers
by writing code"... but one needs to get past them... just like the BOSS
Linux guys need to...
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Re: [ilugd] [OT] Any Good Online Tshirt making site in India for Linux Tshirt

[Nalin Savara]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:30 AM, narendra sisodiya <
narendra.sisod...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:20 AM, Nalin Savara  wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:07 AM, narendra sisodiya <
> > narendra.sisod...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > How're you gonna fund it ?
> >
> > Each T-Shirt got through online site will cost atleast Rs.450/- +
> delivery
> > charges.
> >
> last day i just checked http://www.myntra.com/ , Tshirt will cost around
> 250/- http://www.myntra.com/Debian-Linux/T-Shirt/FC/PD/1245563727 I
> submitted my design but still it is waiting for moderation !! (so finding
> different sites too)
> I can buy Linux Tshirt under 500/- (with delivery) !!
> /me is the target audience !!
> btw is there other way to print in low cost !!
> --
>

There are inkjet and other printers (mainly from companies like Apple),
which let you print transfers, which you can iron onto t-shirts.

You can do that even without online.

Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] [OT] Any Good Online Tshirt making site in India for Linux Tshirt

[Nalin Savara]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:07 AM, narendra sisodiya <
narendra.sisod...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Do anybody know any good Tshirt making site in India? I want to print Linux
> Tshirt !!
> the design is follows
> * Front - Logo of penguin
> * Back - Red Pill Quote - http://twitpic.com/f4tpb
> or vise varsa (quote on front , logo on back )
>
> any suggestions/comments ??
> --


How're you gonna fund it ?

Each T-Shirt got through online site will cost atleast Rs.450/- + delivery
charges.

You think the target audience can afford that ? Or are you looking to buy
such a site ?

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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Nalin Savara]

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote:

> On 08/22/2009 08:05 PM, Sanjay Arora wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Karanbir Singh
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  correct me if i am wrong, but that work might not even be GPL licensed
>>>
>>
>> That's my question Karan.if they use GPL software to build a
>> redistributable linux, don't they have to share its code...simply
>> because they made modifications to GPL code and redistributed it?
>>
>> Isn't that the nature of the GPL licence?
>>
>
> IANAL, but if the code is GPL licensed, then they would need to make the
> source available to anyone who also has access to the binaries. This
> includes the build scripts, makefiles and toolchain used in the conversion
> from source to binary format.
>

@BOSS Team, NRC FOSS people etc:
GREAT JOB GUYS!!!

KEEP IT UP. Truely, it's actions of people like yourselves that make India
truely proud and self sufficient in area of Operating Systems for the
masses.

Three Cheers for you guys!!!

@ Bro Karan:

You the one that lives in England and blindly criticizes everything in
India... right ?

Instead of cursing the darkness, why not light a lamp-- why dont you take
the initiative and help the guys at BOSS who may not be as knowledgeable as
yourself ?

Definitely, you will have to shift from this leadership oriented talk to a
service oriented mindset and work in subordination to the people who have
been given the authority by the govt to make a Indian Linux... but if you
believe in a cause, then why not ???

Buddy, you need to dump this colonial mindset-- that if it's not perfectly
done, then find a law to ban the natives from doing this-- instead you must
accept and recognize that this is a Bharat-specific OS, which is a great
achievement... it's not a omelette in a english restaurant that if it's not
perfectly done then the crown prince screams and asks the waiter to take it
back...

If you criticize BOSS Linux like this-- and some officer-type who's against
the project is reading... then the project will die.

To actually participate in a effort like BOSS, you will have to be a
subordinate to those already there and accept their authority... you would
also have to give up your cushy UK based existence, and also climb down from
your ivory tower philosophizing... are you up to this challenge Karan ?

Or is this below you ?

Just wondering...


Regards,


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Re: [ilugd] Interesting

[Nalin Savara]

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 12:33 AM, narendra sisodiya <
narendra.sisod...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Nalin Savara  wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:41 AM, narendra sisodiya <
> > narendra.sisod...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Arun Khan  wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Monday 17 Aug 2009, Yashpal Nagar wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > BTW the meaning of 'bing' in Chinese is "disease", I read it
> > > > > somewhere.
> > > >
> > > > Bing could be short form of Bingo (the numbers game).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Bing -- (*B*ing *i*s *n*ot *g*oogle)
> > > --
> >
> >
> > Bt that's recursive-- would cause a stack overflow, would'nt it ?
> >
> > I do not think so !! M$ must be using RING architecture STACK, which do
> not
> overflow - (it overwrites)
> --
>
hehe... !!!

this will make Mista Bill feel soo sad!!!

U Aint a Internet Enabled Mao-ist by any chance are you ?

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Re: [ilugd] Interesting

[Nalin Savara]

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:41 AM, narendra sisodiya <
narendra.sisod...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Arun Khan  wrote:
>
> > On Monday 17 Aug 2009, Yashpal Nagar wrote:
> >
> > > BTW the meaning of 'bing' in Chinese is "disease", I read it
> > > somewhere.
> >
> > Bing could be short form of Bingo (the numbers game).
> >
> >
> Bing -- (*B*ing *i*s *n*ot *g*oogle)
> --


Bt that's recursive-- would cause a stack overflow, would'nt it ?

-NS
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Re: [ilugd] Court bans Microsoft from selling Word in US

[Nalin Savara]

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:51 PM, narendra sisodiya <
narendra.sisod...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I cannot live in the digital world with so much restrictions and monology
> !!
>

Monology ??? What is that ?

Regards,

NS
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Re: [ilugd] Not able to see the replies.

[Nalin Savara]

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Nikhil sharma wrote:

> HI, everyone I am not able to see the replys that you send to me. its only
> through my friend that i come to know that you guys are replying. What
> should I do ?
> Please help.
> --
> Nikhil Sharma
> Web: http://feelthenikworld.blogspot.com/
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Feelthenikworld
>
> We must not sieze from exploration and the end of all our exploring will be
> to arrive where we started and to know the place for the first time.
> T.S.Elliot


Suggest you check gmail's spam folder for the unseen msgs-- and mark them as
"not spam"- so they show in ur inbox.

Sometimes a majority of messages of ilugd go to spam folder.

Regards,

NS
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Re: [ilugd] Be frank.

[Nalin Savara]

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Sudev Barar  wrote:


2009/8/4 Nikhil sharma :
>


Nikhil Sharma wrote:
>
>Can I attend the workshop?,
>If yes then how am I going to benifit from it?
>What I am going to learn there?
>I live in Himachal Pradesh, and if I'll come, it will take 8 hours to reach
>there. But still I want to come.
>My motive of asking these questions is that I am a pure beginer .And I dont
>want to find myself at a place where things goes above my head. Is my
>current level enough for me to be with you all.
>I hope you all will give a fair openion.
>Please, tell me frankly.
>
>
Dear Nikhil,

Firstly, The value of attending such workshops lies in the knowledge
shared-- but more than that the value is in the people you get to meet---
who's first hand experiences you can learn from.

Also, while through years of experience your point of view will change and
mature beyond what you learn in books-- by meeting people, you learn from
people who's point of view has evolved with years of experience.

Also, you would get inspired.

Personally; to me-- that is worth it.

Secondly, On the other hand-- it may also happen that you expect to be given
individual attention-- and handed over specific points of information which
would help you-- and it's possible that you may not have much patience to
expose yourself to books OR classes for hours at a end-- and you think the
workshop will automatically groom you in a few hours.

That (second option) does not often happen-- and if second-case--- then you
may be better off attending a paid-workshop by a high profile trainer OR by
taking a course--- like aptech, niit or ethical hacking(tm)-- because the
course material OR trainer-workshop will be tailored and targetted at
bringing you up to speed.


No problem even if you are more of the "learn in a structured environment"
type of mindset.
But remember-- many companies were founded by school dropouts; also, when
you meet many likeminded people-- it can help you also clarify your own
thoughts and plans-- so that is the real value of a workshop OR seminar OR
open-source meetup.

Dunno how that'd sound-- but those are my thoughts...

If any more questions-- please feel free to ask.

Best Wishes and Regards,

NS
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Re: [ilugd] Warning! Re: openi...@yahoo

[Nalin Savara]

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Raj Mathur  wrote:

> On Saturday 25 Jul 2009, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
> > It is not just the fact that this post violates list guidelines for
> > commercial email. I also wish to inform this list to ignore all mails
> > from addresses like this.
> >
> > Please note that official email address for genuine representatives
> > from Yahoo would have @yahoo-inc.com domain as the *contact* address.
> >
> > Any other address should be considered misleading or fake or simply
> > without official sanction. Any resumes sent to email addresses
> > without the yahoo-inc.com domain may be sold to other commercial
> > interests or could be added to a spamming database. So be warned.
>
> Couldn't it be a genuine recruiter recruiting for Yahoo?
>
> Regards,
>
> +1 from me on Raju--> this could be a genuine placement consultant who's
trying to collect resumes for yahoo.

Moreover; he has added a subject line warning at OT message.

Regards,

NS
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Re: [ilugd] Resuing Wikipedia content -- Info needed

[Nalin Savara]

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 8:07 PM, narendra sisodiya <
narendra.sisod...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Nalin Savara  wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Hope my mail finds all in best health and spirits.
>   ___
> >
>
> I too have some confusion over it,
> But It seem to me, many a time wikipedia use dual licence , GFDL + CC. i
> think  i this case it is CC-By-SA, (appears from your mail)*
> **CC-BY-SA [2]
> 


Thanks bro-- this is much appreciated.

So... how're u ? and whats new ?

Regards,

NS
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[ilugd] Free Software Licences-- Info needed

[Nalin Savara]

Hi All,

Hope my mail finds all in best health and spirits.

Assume that one desires to use a image from wikipedia in something s/he will
sell-- for example, a elearning course OR a website template.

The Wikipedia image (on clicking to see license info) says:--

(1)
Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under
the terms of the *GNU Free Documentation
License
*, Version 1.2 or any later version published by the Free Software
Foundation; with no Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no
Back-Cover Texts.

(2)

 

*







If this file is eligible for
relicensing,
it may also be used under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike
3.0license.
*
The relicensing status of this image has not yet been reviewed. You
can help
.
---

What does above mean ?
Can someone sue me if I use the above image ?

Also, what are some of the licensing terms-- one should look for-- if one
desires to re-use content ?
What are some repositories of content where one can find content with
licenses that are friendly to me for the above purpose ?


Please do let me know...


Thanks and Best Regards,

NS
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Re: [ilugd] Informal meeting this Thu., 4th June, 7.30pm

[Nalin Savara]

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Gora Mohanty  wrote:

> Hi,
>  Vipul is in town, and has expressed interest in meeting
> up with people from ILUG-Delhi. With this in mind, we are



Vipul-- as in; whats his full name ? (if I may ask, based on a Techie-Vipul
from Delhi who I knew years earlier).

Lemme Know,

Thanks and Regards,

NS
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Re: [ilugd] test

[Nalin Savara]

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Anupam Jain  wrote:

> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Pawan  wrote:
>
> > Nalin Savara  writes:
> >
> > > You yourself know that a single or 2-3 abbreviations in 500-800 words
> of
> > > messages I sent today is no big deal.
> >
> > Er...it is a big deal if you are trying to preach, and it stands out so
> >
>


>
> >
>
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Anupam Jain  wrote:

>
> From XKCD <http://xkcd.com/386/>
>
> [image: Duty Calls]
>

Good one Anupam!!!

Support much appreciated here.

Thanks and Regards,

NS
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Re: [ilugd] test

[Nalin Savara]

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:35 PM, Raj Mathur  wrote:

> On Thursday 21 May 2009, Nalin Savara wrote:
> > [snip]
> > Replying the way you did is called top-posting-- and unless you are
> > replying from a mobile phone which dont support deleting quoted msg
> > text; plz do avoid this--- since it is a big irritant to others who
> > may be getting list messages as a digest.
>
> Some more list etiquette: avoid SMS English (2, plz, bt, etc.); and it
> doesn't matter what device you're replying to a message from: quoting,
> deleting and top-posting etiquette remains the same.  I'm afraid using a
> broken client isn't an excuse for not following mailing list guidelines.
>

Hi Raj,

You yourself know that a single or 2-3 abbreviations in 500-800 words of
messages I sent today is no big deal.

Atleast I spent my precious time encouraging a person rather than finding
small faults and trying to snub a person (like me) who meant well.


Regards,

Nalin
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Re: [ilugd] beat way to install Apache + Tomcat + JBoss?

[Nalin Savara]

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 2:00 PM, ranjeet singh
wrote:

> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Ranjeet,
> >
> > Yes tomcat + jboss -- is a servlet container + application server.
> >
> > (1)
> > Google around and you will also find directions on compiling it.
> >
> > Even if you have never tried compile and install; dont worry--- if you
> have
> > the correct version of JDK set up-- and the paths are set up correctly--
> > you
> > will be easily and quickly able to compile and install it.
> >
> > With JDK the only possible issue that comes is making sure all the needed
> > JAR files and libraries are present and are on paths visible to JDK.
> >
> > JDK does not typically throw up crazy errors of the kind scripts using
> > automake + autoconf throw up (if you have used those)--- so dont worry;
> get
> > into the flow and it will get done.
> >
> > (2)
> > Logically you will also find compiled versions and logically you should
> be
> > able to download and set up pre-compiled versions also.
> > Just dig around.
> >
> > But typically it is easier to set up paths for compilation--- than it is
> to
> > debug for incorrectly set up paths, not findable jars etc when putting a
> > compiled version in place-- that was compiled on your target system in
> the
> > first place.
> >
> > So, possibly you can just compile and install.
> >
> > Best Wishes and Regards,
> >
> > Nalin
> >
>
> Sir,
>
> can i try with rpm first? possible to install RPM of APACHE, TOMCAT and
> JBOSS? time is less ... install and configuration to be done.
>
> thankyou again,


you are most welcome.

Yes indeed--- no harm trying using the RPM first-- go ahead and give it a
shot.

If it works ; it works.

Good Luck,

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Re: [ilugd] beat way to install Apache + Tomcat + JBoss?

[Nalin Savara]

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 12:53 PM, ranjeet singh  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am new to linux.
>
> My senior says install Apache+Tomcat+JBoss. Total time given = 2 days.
>
>  I googled for how to install all 3. Search result says install all 3 from
> source and not RPM.
>
> I asked my friend Arvind and he said ask ilugd.
>
> I have never done source installation. Only done RPM installation (rpm -ivh
> somerpmname.rpm).
>
> I am going to try source installtion.
>
> Please let me know how to install Apache + Tomcat + JBoss in Fedora 10. Is
> it easy? Can i do it? I know Apache but what is tomcat and jboss .. i think
> application server for running java .. is it correct?
>
> thankyou to all in advance,
> montu


Hi Ranjeet,

Yes tomcat + jboss -- is a servlet container + application server.

(1)
Google around and you will also find directions on compiling it.

Even if you have never tried compile and install; dont worry--- if you have
the correct version of JDK set up-- and the paths are set up correctly-- you
will be easily and quickly able to compile and install it.

With JDK the only possible issue that comes is making sure all the needed
JAR files and libraries are present and are on paths visible to JDK.

JDK does not typically throw up crazy errors of the kind scripts using
automake + autoconf throw up (if you have used those)--- so dont worry; get
into the flow and it will get done.

(2)
Logically you will also find compiled versions and logically you should be
able to download and set up pre-compiled versions also.
Just dig around.

But typically it is easier to set up paths for compilation--- than it is to
debug for incorrectly set up paths, not findable jars etc when putting a
compiled version in place-- that was compiled on your target system in the
first place.

So, possibly you can just compile and install.

Best Wishes and Regards,

Nalin
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Re: [ilugd] test

[Nalin Savara]

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 1:02 PM, ranjeet singh
wrote:

>  
> >
> > A reminder of list etiquette...
> >
> > buddy, when replying, either delete the quoted msg below which you are
> > replying to OR reply below the msg you are replying to.
> >
> > Replying the way you did is called top-posting-- and unless you are
> > replying
> > from a mobile phone which dont support deleting quoted msg text; plz do
> > avoid this--- since it is a big irritant to others who may be getting
> list
> > messages as a digest.
> >
> > Hope I aint offending ya; bt just a gentle reminder...
> >
> > Rgds,
> >
> > NS
> >  ___
> >
>
> like this?
>
> thankyou sir. very much.


Yes indeed Ranjeet.

Thank you also Ranjeet-- for being receptive to inputs and for your quick
response.

Look forward to seeing and hearing more of you on this list.

Hope you find this list useful.

Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] test

[Nalin Savara]

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 12:54 PM, ranjeet singh  wrote:

> welcome rajnish
>
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 12:33 PM, rajnish kumar <
> kumarrajnishgu...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 12:24 PM, ranjeet singh
> >  wrote:
> > > test
>


A reminder of list etiquette...

buddy, when replying, either delete the quoted msg below which you are
replying to OR reply below the msg you are replying to.

Replying the way you did is called top-posting-- and unless you are replying
from a mobile phone which dont support deleting quoted msg text; plz do
avoid this--- since it is a big irritant to others who may be getting list
messages as a digest.

Hope I aint offending ya; bt just a gentle reminder...

Rgds,

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Re: [ilugd] test

[Nalin Savara]

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 12:33 PM, rajnish kumar  wrote:

> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 12:24 PM, ranjeet singh
>  wrote:
> > test
> > ___
> > ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org
> > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
> > Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi
> http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
> >
>
> it this the welcome message?
> with regds

hoping it is indeed a welcome message bro--- Welcome Aboard Rajnish Kumar!!!
Hope you enjoy your stay at ilugd...

hehe... the spam value  of such messages apart, they do indeed tell us that
it's not just that people are leaving ilugd... ppl are coming aboard too!!!

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Re: [ilugd] M$ trying to fragment ODF

[Nalin Savara]

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Nalin Savara  wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Venkatesh Hariharan wrote:
>
>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 4:09 AM, Mani A  wrote:
>> > Summary: Never even try to use M$ Office
>> >
>> > Excerpts from
>> http://homembit.com/2009/05/microsoft-now-attempt-to-fragment-odf.html
>> >
>> > "The technical details are all on Rob’s blog, but in summary, when
>> > opening an ODF spreadsheet (.ods file) using Office 2007, it simply
>> > removes all existing formulas without telling anything to the user,
>> > leaving only the values in cells (results of formulas evaluation,
>> > previously stored in the document). If a user wants to test the ODF
>> > support in Office, and without giving due attention, save an existing
>> > spreadsheet, will overwrite the document removing all the formulas (as
>> > if you were writing a table). I saw absurdities in life, but nothing
>> > compared to this.
>>
>> 
>>
>> Deja Vu. Many years ago, they tried to do the same to Java. Old habits
>> die hard.
>>
>> Venky
>>
>
> Hmmm a interesting line of conversation... thanks for the great posts.
>
> I think I am now starting to understand the real grouse that the US
> department of justice and european regulators had with M$.
>


also, it tells me why a Word document opened and saved on a Nokia E90 does
not open in Microsoft Office 2007.

Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] M$ trying to fragment ODF

[Nalin Savara]

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Venkatesh Hariharan wrote:

> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 4:09 AM, Mani A  wrote:
> > Summary: Never even try to use M$ Office
> >
> > Excerpts from
> http://homembit.com/2009/05/microsoft-now-attempt-to-fragment-odf.html
> >
> > "The technical details are all on Rob’s blog, but in summary, when
> > opening an ODF spreadsheet (.ods file) using Office 2007, it simply
> > removes all existing formulas without telling anything to the user,
> > leaving only the values in cells (results of formulas evaluation,
> > previously stored in the document). If a user wants to test the ODF
> > support in Office, and without giving due attention, save an existing
> > spreadsheet, will overwrite the document removing all the formulas (as
> > if you were writing a table). I saw absurdities in life, but nothing
> > compared to this.
>
> 
>
> Deja Vu. Many years ago, they tried to do the same to Java. Old habits
> die hard.
>
> Venky
>

Hmmm a interesting line of conversation... thanks for the great posts.

I think I am now starting to understand the real grouse that the US
department of justice and european regulators had with M$.

Reading books by authors who're basically journalists tends to make one
sympathize with Mr.Gates--- but seeing what M$ does makes us realize just
how foolish and self destructive a company it is.

Regards,

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[ilugd] elec ques

[Nalin Savara]

Hi Folks...
Any twitter feed ; blog or RSS source from where I can know the results of
ILUGD elections ?

Thx and Regards,

NS
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Re: [ilugd] Voting by Proxy Was: Second reminder: AGBM, and elections to ILUG-Delhi: Sun., May 3rd, 2pm, SIT-JNU

[Nalin Savara]

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Jasbir Khehra  wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 6:08 PM, kamal dave
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Gora, Executive Body,
> >
> > I am to inform you that I would not be able to attend  AGBM & and
> participate  in elections scheduled to be held on 3rd May 2009 as I am out
> of Delhi.
> >
> > Kamal Dave
> >
> Hi All,
>
> Is there a provision for members who might not be able to attend the
> AGBM and the elections to cast their vote via some proxy mechanism.
> Since I also will not be able to attend the meet.
>
> -Jasbir
>

Will everyone who comes to AGBM be allowed to vote ?
OR are there also some criteria by which a AGBM attendee can be prevented
from voting ?

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Re: [ilugd] Terminology please was (Re: Come join)

[Nalin Savara]

On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Shakthi Kannan wrote:

> Hi,
>
> --- On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Nalin Savara 
> wrote:
> | (1) Thx for ur msg-- that wasnt supposed to go to the group at large.
> |
> | (2) Relax, I know the difference between a hacker and a cracker-- it's
> just
> | that I cudnt resist shooting off that mail to machine!!!
> \--
>
> "Educating" people about our community and culture is something that
> this group has been doing for a long time. I respect that. (2) and (1)
> just sent the wrong message to the group. Hence, my reply.
>

It's ok pal-- as long as no animals were killed and no feelings were hurt!!!

After my hero isnt Linus or even BillG-- Nero is my hero!!!

NS
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Re: [ilugd] Terminology please was (Re: Come join)

[Nalin Savara]

On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Shakthi Kannan wrote:

> Hi,
>
> --- On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Nalin Savara 
> wrote:
> | Hey Machine...
> | Quit Spammin dis damn group.
> |
> | Else the group hackers will disassemble yo lovelyvik gmail acct!!!
> \--
>
> 1. When you reply to an automated e-mail or spam, please change the
> subject line, because by continuing to use the subject line, you are
> giving credit to the spam, which is one of its intended objectives..
>
> 2. Terminology please. Hackers are programmers who pursue programming
> with a passion, and who are eager to solve challenging problems. You
> are referring to crackers.
>

Hi Shakthi,
(1) Thx for ur msg-- that wasnt supposed to go to the group at large.

(2) Relax, I know the difference between a hacker and a cracker-- it's just
that I cudnt resist shooting off that mail to machine!!!

Anyways... Best Regards and Thx for the Wikipedia Links...

NS
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Re: [ilugd] Come join me on Rajasthan Royals Fans on DLF IPL Fan Voice

[Nalin Savara]

On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 12:59 PM, machine wrote:

> DLF IPL Fan Voice: Official Community of the DLF Indian Premier League
> machine has invited you to join Rajasthan Royals Fans on DLF IPL Fan Voice
> 
>
Hey Machine...
Quit Spammin dis damn group.

Else the group hackers will disassemble yo lovelyvik gmail acct!!!

NS
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Re: [ilugd] Ubuntu for HeavyMetal fans: Jes*s Jugular, after Headless Horseman.

[Nalin Savara]

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Vivek Kapoor  wrote:

> On Fri, April 24, 2009 2:25 pm, Pratul Kalia wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Linux Lingam 
> wrote:
> >> so those interested, may google for Ubuntu + the above keywords
> >> to discover the site on your own responsibility.
> >>
> >> do i hear some college metalheads going "kewl!"?
> >
> >
> > Gah, this really got my attention, and you forgot to attach the link
> > to the website!
> >
>
> LL mentions that you do a google search using the keywords on your own
> responsibility! Thus no link :-)
>

Kewl...

I likey; Likey!!!

Now for one with the Borat themes of misogyny and hilariously comical
anti-semitism!!! Then our search would be complete

Any other keyboard/synth enthusiasts here ? Please do reply OR drop me a
unicast email on nsn...@gmail.com


Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun

[Nalin Savara]

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Gora Mohanty  wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:37:11 +0530
> Nalin Savara  wrote:
> [...]
> > I shared a perspective about my excitement at the opportunity and
> > challenges--- for the good folks at Oracle in terms of business model and
> > strategy... on acquisition of a product that was till now open source.
>
> > Personally I feel the opportunity to innovate on a business model and
> 
>

> > ---
> > Gora wrote:
> > >
> > >Customer discontent? Bah to you, and your ilk.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Gora, do not use language like "you and your ilk" upon me.
> >
> > I respect your age, seniority and qualifications but even you better
> refrain
> > from such personal attacks-- and limit yourself to debating and/or
> > criticising the idea rather than degrading a individual's caste or
> > ethnicity.
> [...]
>
> Er, what? In the context, "ilk" refers to people with positions
> similar to yours. I am not sure how you managed to read that
> statement as being about caste and ethnicity. In any case, such was
> absolutely not my intention, and never will be.
>

Thanks for the clarification-- that really helped.

Personally, earlier in life-- I have dealt with people who would first curse
the "bania blood" or "trader mindset" or "punjabi mentality"-- and after
seeing oneself maintain a decent silence on that--- they would go further--
and indulge in full-scale bullying or discrimination.

That's the reason when in doubt; I personally draw a line and ask the other
guy to stop-- rather than assume good intentions-- and have someone think
they can walk over oneself OR one's beliefs/history.

Thanks for the clarification and Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun

[Nalin Savara]

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Gora Mohanty  wrote:



>
>
> > Customer discontent not having as loud a political voice--- can simmer
> for
> > longer-- and can be handled more cheaply.
>
> Customer discontent? Bah to you, and your ilk. You should meet
> some of the local companies that have been forced to hire
> so-called Oracle database experts.
>
> > This is almost as exciting a strategy experiment opportunity that the
> people
> > at microsoft had.
>
> Please go and shill for proprietary companies elsewhere.
>
> Regards,
> Gora
>
> @all, including Raj, Gora:
Thanks for your perspectives.

I shared a perspective about my excitement at the opportunity and
challenges--- for the good folks at Oracle in terms of business model and
strategy... on acquisition of a product that was till now open source.

Personally I feel the opportunity to innovate on a business model and
technology-- with total unconstrained freedom-- is a exciting challenge and
opportunity-- notwithstanding any queasiness I and many more may have about
Oracle's intentions.

---
Gora wrote:
>
>Customer discontent? Bah to you, and your ilk.
>
>

Gora, do not use language like "you and your ilk" upon me.

I respect your age, seniority and qualifications but even you better refrain
from such personal attacks-- and limit yourself to debating and/or
criticising the idea rather than degrading a individual's caste or
ethnicity.

Regards,

Nalin
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Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun

[Nalin Savara]

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Gora Mohanty  wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:22:49 +0530
> Nalin Savara  wrote:
> [...]
> > I think this is a good opportunity for Oracle to make strategic moves--
> > similar to Microsoft corp-- and to try to monetize many users who are now
> > locked in onto LAMP.
> [...]
>
> Would you care to explain how exactly people are "locked into
> LAMP", and why Oracle "monetizing" them is a good thing for
> people at large?
>

(1) How are people "locked into Lamp" ?
--> because many people/sites use Drupal, Joomla, PHP etc-- and incase a
particular platform vendor decides to fork the offering into a premium and
non-premium offering; then it is easier for them to pay for premium service
than to take the risk of re-engineering tens of thousands of code to use a
different underlying platform component eg: database.

(2) Why good for people at large--
well; I nevva said good for ppl at large-- it's just that it's a amazing and
exciting opportunity for the people at oracle to experiment and be totally
experimental and out of the box about their strategy and approach-- because
it's not as if there's a salesforce chasing the existing customers that will
rebel.

Customer discontent not having as loud a political voice--- can simmer for
longer-- and can be handled more cheaply.

This is almost as exciting a strategy experiment opportunity that the people
at microsoft had.

Best Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun

[Nalin Savara]

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Anupam Jain  wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Open Linux Tech Center - Freelance
>  wrote:
> > http://www.sqlite.org/ is another alternative to mysql...
> >
>
> sqlite doesn't quite fit the same niche as mysql. But there are other
> alternatives like Postgres (http://www.postgresql.org/) and Firebird
> (http://www.firebirdsql.org/).
>
> -- Anupam
>

I think this is a good opportunity for Oracle to make strategic moves--
similar to Microsoft corp-- and to try to monetize many users who are now
locked in onto LAMP.

If oracle pulls it off-- it would change the way we think of LAMP-- and it
would be a multi-billion dollars per year revenue opportunity for oracle.

I wish all the people at Oracle who have this immense challenge and who see
this opportunity-- the best of luck.

Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] ilugd Digest, Vol 73, Issue 22

[Nalin Savara]

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:19 AM, Nandeep Mali  wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:56 AM, ankur saxena  wrote:
> > --= Ankur saxena | techbracket.net =--
> [...]
> > Hey hi ,
> > Congrats Pratul . Hey even i got in this time :) .
> >
> > Ankur saxena
> [...]
>

Heya... Lut4mrdr, Ankur-fly...

Congrats!!!

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Re: [ilugd] Personal invitation from pratipal singh

[Nalin Savara]

Raj Mathur wrote:
>
>On Wednesday 15 Apr 2009, Sudhanwa Jogalekar wrote:
>> My sincere request to list moderators: Please put up some filters on
>> the mailing list to get rid of such "invitations".
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 11:36 AM, pratipal singh
>>  wrote:
>
>Unfortunately the sender is set to an address that is presumably
>subscribed to this list.  If the originating address were a standard
>orkut/twitter/... kind of thing it would be possible to block it, but
>how do you block a message from a subscriber?  :)
>
you can set up some regex filters on the server-side--- that if "invitation"
is included anywhere in the subject or body of the msg; then the server
would send a mail to the sender--- asking him to click a link where he has
to correctly answer a CAPTCHA challenge.

All messages that do not have the word "invitation" in them-- can just pass
through unfiltered.

Mailman (AFAIK) is written in python.


Regards,

Nalin
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Re: [ilugd] BJP accepts key sections of the FOSS Manifesto

[Nalin Savara]

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Pradeepto Bhattacharya <
pradeep...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Raj Mathur  wrote:
> >
> > Being the cynic that I am, I'm not sure how much of this would actually
> > see the light of day if the BJP does come into power, but given the the
> > choice between 2 (or n) evils, I'd rather choose the evil that at least
> > promises to support FOSS :)
>
> I am still trying to do that math. What good would FOSS do to me, if
> my family/female-members are not secure and are attacked based on what
> they wear and where they choose to go? ah well... this can be a long
> rant and I guess this is not the forum for that ..
>
> Good observation Pradipto.
+1 from me on this.

So... who lives if India dies ?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Intolerance-just-wont-ebb-in-BJP-ruled-Karnataka/articleshow/4265751.cms

Also, can anyone create a SVG or send me a link of a
crocodile-shedding-tears ?

Am tempted to write much more on this-- but I instead invite the silent
majority to come forward and comment on this issue.

Regards,

NS
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Re: [ilugd] FOSS Manifesto for Indian political parties

[Nalin Savara]

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Chaitanya Gupta wrote:

> gurteshwar singh wrote:
>
>> Great work!
>> The obama campaign for change has made a lot of noise in India as well
>> and has "supposedly" inspired or motivated people here. Here's what
>> they're doing with open source.
>>
> 

@Gurteshwar:
Dude, I mailed ya... 2-3 days back-- just check gmail and reply as
applicable.

Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] My query

[Nalin Savara]

Hi People,
Time for the Naligator to surf right in.

RHCEs ; Naresh Narang; Peejay... read on...

RHCEs-- scroll down to read my comments on job prospects with RHCE- and if
you want, drop me a personal (unicast) mail  to my email ID
nsnsns(at)gmail(dot)com with your resumes/comments/queries.

@Naresh Narang
>
>Excuse my ignorance but what does being an RHCE or XYZ tell me? :-)
>
RHCE Exam = Red Hat Certified Engineer Exam = A Certification exam for Linux
proficiency conducted by Red Hat-- which is a major linux vendor.


@PJ ; pee...@hotpop.com :On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:55 PM, PJ <
pee...@hotpop.com> wrote:


> The RHCEs are based on good exams AFAICS. What surprises me is
> why the people who pass them often aren't as capable as the
> certification would suggest.
>
> I've never really understood why that is. What's going on there?
> Comments?
>

I believe it's because SysAdmins tend to be less mobile than programmers,
apart from the best SysAdmins having the techie mindset of wanting to dig
deeper and deeper--- while the not so good SysAdmins tend to look outwards,
hop to higher and higher paying jobs and select juniors also who are either
mobile OR who are deep into tech--- but in India it doesnt often happen that
someone is both good at job and also career hoppingly mobile and well
networked (socially).

So I think the upshot it is:- (at the risk of repeating myself)

(1) that many SysAdmins who are good-- technically oriented; hands-on; and
who understand the deeper stuff tend to stick to their position-- not change
jobs-- even if their superiors are non-appreciative and the organization is
not giving them challenging work.

(2) there are a limited cross section of Sys-Admins that actually hop jobs,
get into important positions-- and only a very small fraction of them are
good.

@RHCE SysAdmins:

Firstly, with programmers-- because programming can be a make-or-break
survival factor-- many companies have tossed away the Indian beaureaucratic
mindset-- and instead actively chase the best programmers through
consultants, pay packages etc.

With sysadmins, you guys need to get a handle on:
(1) what a company's IT goals are;

(2) what the approach and background of your manager/superior/organization's
management are

(3) what are your own career plans and willingness to be flexible; goal
oriented and team oriented.
I cant generalize much on (1) and (2) above in a public forum-- but on (3)
my views are as below:--
(a) Do you want a stable average paying position even if you want tech
compromises ?

(b) Do you have willingness to put your organization/teams goals higher than
the natural human desire to be the "one with power to step down and say
no.."-- OR are you someone who believes in "entitlement"-- that your
position automatically gives you the power to play the beaureaucrat-- no
matter how much it hurts the company.
--> above is a description of a worst case scenario--- but the fact is that
this is what many IT managers fear-- that a novice sysadmin might put his
own power to say no higher than the organizational, departmental OR team
goals.

(c) Can you rise beyond peer pressure and try to see the larger role of your
position and your organization in IT industry ?
-- even as a ambitious fresher-- in India one often stops being the
independant minded professional--- and gets into a addictive habit of
gossiping and digging around to find out how your peers earn more by being
less helpful and working fewer hours...
instead one needs to think in terms of how can I add maximum value.
One needs to think: "my company may not be around 5 years from now; even
Microsoft and Google may not be around-- but I will be around even 20 years
from now, and a master at my job"--- and one must have a burning desire to
learn-- and lay a foundation for one's position-- 20 years from today-- and
that's the way to get to the top.

I hope that helps.
Mails, unicast responses, comments and criticisms all welcome...

Am happy to hear from you...

Regards,

Nalin Savara

CEO and Technical Director
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Re: [ilugd] HACKER: what can we do to avoid its misuse

[Nalin Savara]

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Arun SAG  wrote:

> Visit www.binrev.com they have similar thought as you.btw Any one here
> members of  binrev?
>
Aaarrg ! ! !

Itna saara green... me suspects that the makers of  binrev.com aint
Hackers--- they're a bunch of "Green Phosphor Goons" !  ! !

Bro binrev-makers... please do add some color... remember, hackers could be
pardoned... but what of Goons ???


-NS
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Re: [ilugd] high-end linux laptop?

[Nalin Savara]

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Raj Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tuesday 25 Nov 2008, Chirag Anand wrote:
> > Just saw the saber notebooks...found them a bit expensive. I also
> > want to buy a notebook, my price range is not that high. I want to
> > keep it around 45K (preferably below). And of course with Linux/Free
> > DOS, dont wanna waste bucks on windows.
> >
> > Though i saw a couple of compaq notebooks, but did not find the
> > configuration good enough. DELL is also kinda expensive when you
> > include the cost of windows.
>
> 
>
> The person I bought my Dell Latitude E5400 from (Amit) has a few more
> left in the under-45K price tag, so if you want a cheap Dell please
> call him at 9811079113.
>

Is this Amit from that shop called SKOPE at Nehru Place ?

Regards,

NS
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[ilugd] OT - Friend's Mom needs blood- Gangaram Hosp, Rajender Ngr

[Nalin Savara]

Hi People,
A college-buddy's mom is going to be operated around 3:00 pm today-- and she
needs A- group blood-- donor need to come to Sir Gangaram Hosp, Rajender
Nagar--- and she needs 2-units of blood.

Even if your blood group is different-- the blood-bank can accept your
blood-donation-- and issue A- blood to my friend's mom.

Please feel free to contact him: Abhishek : 99722-39437 ; 9632-777-122.

My friend has come from Bangalore specially for this (for his mom
operation)-- so the above may possibly be Bangalore numbers-- but he can
call back/respond to SMSes.

Best Regards,

NS
ps: My apologies for the OT- but ok- this is a good friend who was in
college and we were even in Blr together-- and I will be happy to give a
treat to anyone who can help him/his mom.
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Re: [ilugd] OT - Any Mozilla Hackers here ?

[Nalin Savara]

Hi Raj, PJ,
Thanks Raj; Thanks PJ for your mails.
I will report in bugzilla (had planned to)-- and will also post a "how to
replicate bug" with a target site-- ASAP.
Sorry about the late reply-- as I have been no-sleep-ingly busy over the
last 2 days.

Best Regards,

NS

On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 1:24 PM, PJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Nalin Savara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> [snip mozilla bug report posted to list]
>

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[ilugd] OT - Any Mozilla Hackers here ?

[Nalin Savara]

Hi Folks...

Anyone here familiar with Mozilla codebase ? Anyone here who's a contributor
to mozilla ?
Also; if you also are experiencing this problem, please feel free to say
"+1" or send me a unicast mail.

I'm using Mozilla 3.0.4 on Windows-- but I'm told this problem is there on
Linux also.

When I press Ctrl + F -- and type a phrase-- many times, it says "no
matches" even if the phrase is there on the page.

If I copy-paste the content into notepad and search-- the phrase will be
found.

Why does this happen ? What can we do to fix this problem ? Is this a
reported bug ?

Answers-- as well as pointers on where to look - on the net ? or in the
codebase ?

Lemme know...

Best Regards,

NS
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Re: [ilugd] List of Corporates using Linux Desktops?

[Nalin Savara]

Hi Chirag,

Thanks for reading my mail and thanks for taking the time to write a point
by point reply to my mail.

>
>> Remember-- that to innovate, you need to respect knowledge and display
>> professionalism and a willingness to pursue technical excellence at all
>> costs.
>
>I am just not able to figure out, what made you think that i'm
disrespecting
>knowledge?
>>
>> Remember-- that to innovate, you need to respect knowledge and display
>> professionalism and a willingness to pursue technical excellence at all
>> costs.
>
>I am just not able to figure out, what made you think that i'm
disrespecting
>knowledge?
>
Buddy, it's about attention to detail-- about (a) focussing on reaching the
top versus (b) being the one who enlightens the grassroots about whats wrong
with the system.

Nothing wrong with path (b)-- but I think you're spending too much energy
focussing on (b) rather than (a).

Perhaps I've misread some things-- but basically, you wont have the time or
energy to rock the boat if you focus on rowing by paying a extreme amount of
attention to detail-- acquiring highest possible levels of technical
competence.

 (what stops you from building a IDE for Linux that looks and feels exactly
like Turbo C++ ? what stops you from learning PHP- remember your mails about
programming contest software ? what stops you from taking a shot at winning
the ACM programming contest for the whole world ?)

If you google around; you will find Tannenbaum's comments about what all is
wrong with Linux Kernel's design-- and why he would have failed Linus and
forced him to change his ways if Linus (Torvalds) was in Tannenbaum's class.

Either you can be the young Linus Torvalds (who builds new stuff) OR you can
be a young version of Tannenbaum (who tells faults of those who others dont
wanna criticize).

Just my thoughts, hope I havent hurt ya.

Whenever you are in Delhi-- please do drop me a mail-- and I will be happy
to see demos of stuff you have made--- and share ideas in person.

Best Regards,

NS
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Re: [ilugd] List of Corporates using Linux Desktops?

[Nalin Savara]

On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Shakthi Kannan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
> --- On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Prakhar Agarwal
> 
> I would also like to thank the students who came forward to raise lot
> of questions in this thread. We need more students like these who can
> openly discuss issues, and seek feedback/support from the community
> list.
>

@Shakthi,

Thanks even to you-- a great site-- where you have done a awesome job of
collecting information which would otherwise be spread out and not be in one
place.

Also, after mailing, I saw, that even you touched on some points I tried to
answer.

SO... (if I may ask) what technologies do you focus on ? What's your role ?
what company ? you in Delhi/NCR ? or in Bangalore ?

Regards,

NS
ps: logically this could as well have been a unicast mail-- but I assumed
many others less vocal than me would be equally appreciative and equally
curious--- feel free to unicast reply-- but please do reply when you get the
chance.
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Re: [ilugd] List of Corporates using Linux Desktops?

[Nalin Savara]

Hi Chirag, and others,
Please find some more from me on this topic below.

I hope my mail helps-- and my apologies if I sound harsh or sarcastic-- but
better that I tell a bitter truth-- and point you towards excellence--
rather than me be silent-- and let you wrongly think things are bad.

Also, feel free to fwd my mail around-- and if any questions from you or
your friends-- feel free to mail me on-list OR off-list unicast to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I am happy to help.


On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Chirag Anand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I could not agree with Prakhar more... :)
>
> The points he has put up, are the things that we face in our colleges
> everyday, we see it happening but still we cant do anything about it. Like
> faculty using windoz, some of them do not even know what Linux is. They are
> teaching students windoz softwares. They are still using the good-old DOS
> based turbo c++ compiler (18 yrs old).
>

Buddy-- it's about learning to be a engineer- and a solid engineer-- the
important thing is that the teachers run you through examples- and transmit
their own c/c++ knowledge to you.

It's not just the 18 year old compiler--- it is also the sorting algorithms
(atleast 30-40 years old) and the concepts like dynamic programming, branch
and bound and recursion (maybe 40+ years old).

If a teacher shows you awesome gadgets and interfaces-- but doesnt
strengthen your basics-- he is doing you a big dis-service-- even though you
may think "me religion FOSS; teacher religion also FOSS".

A teacher's job is to use the tools he knows-- to transmit maximum of his
knowledge to you (his students)-- you need to respect your teachers-- even
if their choices of tools differ from yours.


> And its not that, we have not tried...we have recieved a lot of thrashing
> because of this. (I mean a LOT). But it takes something to change the
> system. We have done what was in our hands and will continue to do so in
> the
> future. But in the end, you do need to follow the college course structure.


You know-- it's also about whether you come accross as someone who wants to
rise to the top of the ecosystem-- OR whether you are just another kid who
wants something to cling on to-- and kick others around.

Probably you are well-intentioned-- and you want to pursue excellence-- but
just wanting is not enough-- your actions must convey that-- because actions
speak louder than words.

If your actions differ from your words-- and your actions highlight a basic
disrespect for knowledge; a sense of indiscipline and a lack of willingness
to see the big picture view--- then anyone in a position of authority will
either recruit you as a foot-soldier (testing / maintainence/ non-high level
opening/ unimportant promoter of commercial product) OR they will ignore you
(2500 candidates for 20 seats).

>
> No matter, how deep you feel about FOSS or are contributing to it, you will
> only get testing/maintaining jobs. Its not that, we do not deserve to be in
> a thinking/product based job in which we are required to think and innovate
> and not act like burden-donkeys, but the fact that we only have these


buddy, see my comment to the point above.
Remember-- that to innovate, you need to respect knowledge and display
professionalism and a willingness to pursue technical excellence at all
costs.


>
> companies coming to our campuses. It is not our fault...that FOSS companies
> do not come on our door.

buddy-- see my next mail.


> Talking about off-campus jobs...everyone knows what
> happens there.

Some 2500 people turn to give interviews for a vacancy of
> just 10-20. And i have seen it, written test papers are not even corrected
> fairly. Do you think, you can find some 10-20 deserving candidates out of
> 2500 in just 10 hours (max).


This may be a good conversation topic-- but it's not a reflection of
reality-- especially not if you have a skillset that puts you in the top 5%
of programmers-- and practically, if you know gcc, can use unix shell
scripts; recompile the kernel etc... chances are you are better equipped
than most to pursue the path to the top.

Please also see my next mail.


>
>
> Can you tell me, that so many FOSS companies are here on this mailing list
> but why you do not come to campuses?? Or why you do not take freshers (i
> may
> be wrong here), but i have seen job openings in LFY...not a single opening
> for freshers. Please tell me, where do we go (FOSS students) for gaining
> some experience?


Buddy, if one is hiring freshers-- one needs to be very sure of their
skill-sets and level of discipline to work in a team. To you it may seem
like a exercise of personal taste-- but spelling mistakes "windoz" OR
"oppurtunity" and a possible disrespect for knowledge-- do not reflect well
on one as a professional.

It is a matter of choice for you-- but if you choose to be highly
professional-- and committed to your own technical excellence--- companies
will queue up to you.

But if one gets a "know it all"

Re: [ilugd] Data xfer rates from flash disk in Feisty

[Nalin Savara]

Arun Khan wrote:
>On Friday 21 Nov 2008, Nalin Savara wrote:
>>
>> What kinda comp are you using Parijat ? Is it a laptop by any chance
>> ? If it's a laptop-- then often, all the USB ports are not USB-2--
>> sometimes in laptops, one or more ports are USB 1 or USB 1.1 -- maybe
>> it's for for older USB keyboards, mouse etc OR whatever other
>
>Isn't USB 2.0 backward compatible with USB 1.1?
>
>My Toshiba (circa 2006 model year) laptop claims all ports to be USB
>2.0.  I have used USB 1.1 devices on all it's USB ports with no issues.
>
Hey Arun,

Buddy, I think you've lost the thread... hence here's a refresher.

The question was: "why was Parijat getting very low data-rates with a USB
2.0 device".
To summarise my answer-- I said maybe your device is running in USB 1 mode.

True; the two are compatible-- that's why the device is recognized.

Hope that helps.

Best Regards,

NS
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Re: [ilugd] List of Corporates using Linux Desktops?

[Nalin Savara]

@Niyaz:

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Niyaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have seen people installing linux, praising it and then complaining
> about not being able to play their mp3s and AVIs/MPGs.
> I know this demand breaches the FOSS philosophy, but its a genuine
> complaint.
>
Buddy, install Ubuntu distro of Linux-- if you click on a AVI file-- and
codec is not present; it will ask you-- and automatically download codec.

(1) Further, I suggest you upgrade your ubuntu to Ubuntu-studio (
Ubuntu-studio is a distro of linux targetted at those doing mainly
multimedia heavy work-- and comes with many multimedia tools built in)

(2) You can also upgrade your Ubuntu linux to Medi-buntu -- this is a distro
of linux coming with many open implementations of proprietary things
built-in.

I hope this helps. If any more questions please feel free to post on-list or
send a uni-cast mail to me.

Regards,

NS
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Re: [ilugd] List of Corporates using Linux Desktops?

[Nalin Savara]

A thread which is relevant to many-- though perhaps not technical enough to
attract the attention of many here who have walked the path.

Niyaz, Chirag, other ILUGD members, please see my replies embedded below...
if any more queries, feel free to mail me-- on-list OR if it's off-topic
mail me unicast-- I am happy to help-- and even if I cant help; I will reply
to say so-- will not ignore mails.

Chirag Anand wrote:
>Can you tell me, that so many FOSS companies are here on this mailing list
>but why you do not come to campuses?? Or why you do not take freshers (i
may
>be wrong here), but i have seen job openings in LFY...not a single opening
>for freshers. Please tell me, where do we go (FOSS students) for gaining
>some experience? Ultimately, even if we go to companies like tcs, infy etc.
>we wont be getting any FOSS exposure there. Does that make me eligible for
a
>placement in a FOSS company? Just becuase, we have been promoting
FOSS/Linux
>in our colleges and have contributed something to FOSS and advocating and
>fighting for it, make us good enough for your firm? Do we even have an
>oppurtunity to realise our dreams?
>
@Chirag:
Buddy, here are my 2-cents-- as someone who completed his engineering in
1999-- and has been working since-- whether with a company or running a
company:---

(1) 99% companies dont hire a Windows-Guy or Mac-Guy or FOSS-guy-- they hire
software engineers who can use the technologies they deal in--- 10 years
back, everyone was lumped together-- but today, every IT person and company
sees distinctions-- and good or great guys are able to find the work they
want--- because there are always fewer great guys and more openings for
great programmers.

As far as demand for FOSS goes; of each and every web-development
advertisement you see--- 80% companies will be using linux on the server
side-- and the ability to understand and administer a server is worth a lot.

As programming skills go-- the ability to work on Unix/Unix variants-- and
the ability to write and understand c/c++ code is worth a lot in the
market-- salary-wise atleast it is worth more than what salary a vb/c#/asp
programmer will get.

A lot of work done in India is low-end-- and a lot of the programmers are
guys who can cobble together websites-- rather than hardcore programmers who
understand a OS and it's architecture and who can use the available tools to
develop the next GIMP or the next FFMPEG or the next SKYPE-- but that should
not limit or control you--- if you are passionate about technology--- gain
the skills and find a opening.

And if you are a hardcore guy-- chances are you'd be better than 80% of our
Industry right when you pass out of college--- so the onus would be on you-
to find or create a niche and go conquer the world.

I hope that helps... if anything else-- abt relevance of skills please
ask...

Regards,

NS
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Re: [ilugd] Data xfer rates from flash disk in Feisty

[Nalin Savara]

Hi Parijat, Group,

Please see my reply embedded in quoted text.

>
> >>> hdparm -tT /dev/YOUR-DRIVE
> >>>
> >>
> >> /dev/sdd1:
> >>  Timing cached reads:   1664 MB in  2.00 seconds = 831.30 MB/sec
> >>  Timing buffered disk reads:   18 MB in  3.15 seconds =   5.72 MB/sec
>
hmmm.. even I have seen this scenario happen.


> FYI, (and this might not mean much), from
> http://www.everythingusb.com/usb2/faq.htm
>
> "USB 2.0 has a raw data rate at 480Mbps, and it is rated 40 times
> faster than its predecessor interface, USB 1.1, which tops at 12Mbps."


Yup... that is it--  when it was happening; then after a lot of digging a
resident hacker-guru figured out and proved that it was running at USB 1
data-rates-- for whatever reason.

What kinda comp are you using Parijat ? Is it a laptop by any chance ?
If it's a laptop-- then often, all the USB ports are not USB-2-- sometimes
in laptops, one or more ports are USB 1 or USB 1.1 -- maybe it's for for
older USB keyboards, mouse etc OR whatever other reason-- but it may be a
good idea to first cross-check--- that the port to which you are attaching
is a USB 2 port.

Aint sure if that'll help but that's what I've seen.

Best Regards,

NS
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Re: [ilugd] mephistopheles encounters the EULA

[Nalin Savara]

On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 12:34 AM, Linux Lingam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>biting humour from xkcd on the end-user-license agreement:
>


hmm who's mephistopheles ?

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NS
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Re: [ilugd] which mailing list sending/management/archiving software used for ilugd ?

[Nalin Savara]

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Raj Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wednesday 08 Oct 2008, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
> > On Wednesday 08 October 2008 16:54:02 Nalin Savara wrote:
> > > Hi Folks,
> > > How are you ? Hope all well.
> > >
>


Thanks for the info, it is very appreciated.

Regards,

NS
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