KR> Harley motors - seriously now

[Steve and Lori McGee]

  As a biker for over 30 years legally and more otherwise, there is no way I
would put a Harley engine in an airplane.  You want a dependable engine in
there and NONE of the Harleys are that.
  Even the new one was brought out with a KNOWN oil lube problem to the
valve train, and they introduced it anyway.  I showed this to my brother
after he bought his 2000 and said he better correct it with an aftermarket
fix, he did not, and it went bad just like was explained in a biker
magazine.

 My newest bike is the Yamaha Midnite Venture, fully loaded and standard 5
year warranty with 24 hour roadside.

Harley has shit for a warranty cause they got shit for a bike.

Don't even bother to start talking American Iron till you research it.
Quite an ad campaign they have built up in lies.



Steve McGee
KR2S

KR> Drilling Holes in Spars - stress riser?

[Steve and Lori McGee]

>
> "A reinforcing ring is an excellent idea.  You should feather the
> edge ... prevent creating what is called a stress riser. "


I can see where this would be needed in what I would assume would be the
working part of the wing ( mostly outside the WAFs ).  But not inside the
fuse where we would be drilling holes for routing to the tail, or where I
feel most changes should take place in jumping to the other side of the spar
with controls or whatever.

  I would think that where the spar joins the fuse, there is one hell of a
stress riser!

Steve McGee
EndeavoWI
KR2SW

KR> Oil Cooler Air System

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Looks good mark.

I have not been able to get to the plane decently for better than a month
now.  I see now how these projects drag on for years.

Steve M

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Jones" 
To: "KR Net" ; "Corvaircraft" 
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 3:52 PM
Subject: KR> Oil Cooler Air System


> Hello All,
> I have just completed my oil cooler air system. Here is a link to my web
page section on the air duct work:
> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/scat.html
> Let me know what you think.
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI  USA
> E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
> Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html
>
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KR> project Brian sold

[Steve and Lori McGee]

As it shakes apart.


- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Kraut" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 8:29 AM
Subject: RE: KR> project Brian sold


> And it will be the coolest sounding KR as it taxis up to the ramp.
> 
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
> Behalf Of larry flesner
> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 8:20 AM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: KR> project Brian sold
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The project Brian recently sold will end up in a hangar next to mine
> here in southern Illinois.  It will most likely fly someday with a 
> Harley Davidson engine.  
> 
> Speaking of Harleys, did you know they sell a spray for your new
> leathers that gives you bug stains, etc. so you don't look like
> a "newbee" at the get-togethers.  I wonder if that would make me
> look like an old time at the Gathering.  
> 
> Larry Flesner
> 
> 
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KR> Updated wbsite

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Now includes the finished stick to the rear spar bell crank, and out to the 
aileron bells.  Also seat information and some other things.

I am glad I had to refit the seat (not done yet).  As I had made a big - BIG - 
STUPID mistake.  Such as just supporting off the floor and not the spars.  Have 
to keep that 6 G thing in mind all the time.  Other wise I may have been 
looking like a Flintstone cartoon at 5000 feet.

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2SW  Impostor
lmc...@maqs.net 
http://www.geocities.com/magoosus/plane.html

KR> Plane web pages

[Steve and Lori McGee]

My brother tells me when he goes to my site, that the words are overlapping
pictures etc.  Any one else have problems with it?  Maybe he is just talking
the black and white background stuff as it looks fine when I load it.
Thanks.

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2SW  Impostor
lmc...@maqs.net
http://www.geocities.com/magoosus/plane.html

KR> eaa hot line- web page response - thank you

[Steve and Lori McGee]

  The latest e-newsletter is interesting with the 120 hp cassut.  Going 238 mph 
average top speed at 845 pounds is encouraging with the 0-200 hopped up.I 
was wondering what a 190 CI corvair would be able to do in the kr2s at just 
under 700 pounds.  I know there are a lot of variables though.

  I just wasn't looking for a 150 mph airplane with this dream and a lot of the 
volk engine guys seem to be getting that.  I wanted a plane that when I wanted 
to go somewhere I would be doing it faster than a biplane with a 150 horses at 
13 gal per hour if you know what I mean.  I guess I really need to spend that 
$1500 for the extra 20 horses.

  Any way the project is started so I am determined to see it out and get the 
hours on the plane.  Then if finances prove to be there to move on we will see 
what happens.

  Thanks all for the response on the web page question.  I have changed the 
background to a more practical and appropriate for the project design.

  Make sure you give all your "Mothers" the day they deserve.

Peace to all on this stormy Wisconsin friday.

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2SW  Impostor
lmc...@maqs.net 
http://www.geocities.com/magoosus/plane.html

KR> Co-Pilot Passing - ditto

[Steve and Lori McGee]

  I lost my Dad about 2 months ago to the same.  Long hard battle with a bad
valve.  He almost died about 12 years ago on the table getting a bypass.
Didn't want to do it again.

  Though my dad did not fly, in fact the opposite, he shot down a Zero in
WWII.  He was a gunner on a merchant ship, and was proud to serve.
  He had the full military funeral with taps and gun salute.   It was a cold
windy day in Illinois flatland country, with old vets braving -10 windchill
during the funeral to do the honors.  I was as proud of them as I was dad.

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2SW  Impostor
lmc...@maqs.net
http://www.geocities.com/magoosus/plane.html

KR> rebuilding of various things

[Steve and Lori McGee]

 So far in my project I have designed 3 control arms, built 2 and scrapped 1.  
( this was very frustrating and stressed me more than I realized).

 Built 1 seat and fitted, but should have waited for the control arm as now I 
have to refit the seat.  No big problem but time consuming.  I can still use 
the same seat.  

 So far I am pleased with the brackets I am making for the controls.  The 
elevator tube from the stick to the bracket behind the rear spar is done and I 
will change the web page probably tomorrow to show it.

 I have not been that busy on the plane the last few months due to family 
problems, but time now to re-hit it.

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2SW  Impostor
lmc...@maqs.net 
http://www.geocities.com/magoosus/plane.html

KR> Web page - pages

[Steve and Lori McGee]

No - control tubes.


- Original Message - 
From: "Norm Seel" <norman.s...@verizon.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Web page - pages


> Steve, it seems to me that you are using Morse cables for controls.  Am I
> interpreting this correct from your Web pages?Thanks.
> Norman Seel
> Brandon, FL
> norman.s...@verizon.net
>
> ----- Original Message - 
> From: "Steve and Lori McGee" <lmc...@maqs.net>
> To: <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 8:51 PM
> Subject: KR> Web page - pages
>
>
> >   Well here it is.  I started pages at my regular family web site for
the
> plane build.  This URL will take you right to the plane pages.
> >
> >   I should say here that I do not plan to do a full build web page.  I
do
> not want to take the time, nor do I feel we as a group need more pages of
> spar building, sanding etc.  I will cover topics that I decided to do
> differently, or found little information on when I was researching a
topic.
> >
> >  Plans and information are in the works for a web page on thermo forming
> that mysterious material called clear acrylic (Plexiglas).  I am trying to
> get someone to draw cartoon characters for me (for free) and have had no
> luck.  Anyone out there want recognition for this?
> >
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/magoosus/plane.html
> >
> >
> > Steve McGee
> > Endeavor Wi. USA
> > Building  KR2SW  The Impostor
> > lmc...@maqs.net
> >
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KR> SNF Pics - spring driven?

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Explain to me please what you mean by spring driven trim?

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR> AS504x airfoil - ailerons

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Someone said - (sorry i did not follow completely)

OK for a wing root but will be a poor choice for a control surface.
>Aileron control forces will be high.  It is a less than optimum choice for
>an airfoil that is intended to be laminar over a wide range angle of
>attack.


So is it tested and understood that the farther out on the wing, the less of
this "cusp or tuck" the better, as far as on the aileron goes?  Has this
been proven on other airfoils?  Would you fill in the tuck, keeping the cord
the same?

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net

KR> CONTROL SURFACES

[Steve and Lori McGee]

It was me - on the stick travel.


- Original Message - 
From: "larry flesner" 
To: ; "KRnet" 
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 10:07 PM
Subject: KR> CONTROL SURFACES


> >Below, would be the correct deflections required for the control
surfaces,
> >as specified in the KR Manual.
> >CONTROL SYSTEM TRAVEL LIMITS
> >Vertical Stabilizer travel is 30 deg T.E.U. and 30 deg T.E.D.
> >Elevator travel of 30 deg T.E.U. and 20 deg T.E.D.
> >Aileron travel is 20 deg T.E.U. and 10 deg T.E.D.
> >Larry A Capps
> +
>
> As I recall the question was how much does the control stick travel
> when aileron and elevator are at the limits.  I forgot now who even
> asked the question.  If I can remember I'll check my stick travel
> with my SmartLevel the next time at the airport.
>
> Larry Flesner
>
>
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KR> stick forces.

[Steve and Lori McGee]

For you lucky ones that are flying already.  So how much resistance in our 
chosen little birds stick is there?  What kind of pressure from the elevator?  
I have read there is next to nothing in the ailerons.  How about the tail?  
What kind of back pressure do you feel thru the pedals?

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR> Declaration of ignorance.

[Steve and Lori McGee]

  I must admit that I have had to look at why I do things the way I do and what 
is causing my designs and ideas to be the way they are.  For those of you that 
have not heard or followed my story I will exasperate you a little with my 
dream.  

  I have wanted to fly for decades.  Small children and finances have put it 
off far too long.  Yes I have flown with others in small planes, but have not 
yet got my pilots license.  My plan is to start when I am about 3/4 finished 
with the KR impostor.  I figure if I get it now, the money spent to keep my 
skills "up" will be money I could have spent on the project.  I know it would 
be extra experience and I will probably end up doing that anyway as I am 
getting the itch to start with the nice weather coming on.

  Any way what I am getting at is this.  I have had some rather different ideas 
(compared to what I have seen from the tons of web sites studied) on how to 
build this thing in designing the controls and a few other items.   I don't 
know if it is just the lack of having been in the "group" of aviation, and 
having my own ideas rather than mimicking what has already been done or what.  
But I look at the control stick and designed it opposite of what for instance 
Langford did.  I have an idea for the rudder control that at first I said to 
myself, that's crazy, but the more I think about it the more I like it.   For 
instance one problem with it I have noticed is that some people have actually 
broken horns or caused other problems with the system from basically pushing on 
both rudder pedals too hard.  I have come up with a design where, this just 
can't be done, push on both pedals all you like, you will not transfer any 
extra force to the cable system.  If you saw it outside of a plane laying on a 
bench you would say what is that?

 I suppose time will tell and maybe I will be shunned at a future "Gathering "  
 being considered dangerous.  But like Frank said, I did it my  w.

Too many beers - night all.

Spell checked, grammar not checked, good nite viet nam.

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR> mini project update

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Lookin good Mark.  Any figures on what the realistic cruise and top end will
be?

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Langford" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 10:10 PM
Subject: KR> mini project update


> Oscar's been pestering me for an update, so here ya go, OZ.  See
> http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/index.html#update for a mini update.
It's
> kinda like finishing a house.  It doesn't look like much is happening, but
> it's getting closer!
>
> Now, nobody can ask me how it's coming at SNF...
>
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
> N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
> see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
>
>
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KR> Declaration of ignorance.

[Steve and Lori McGee]

The stick is nearly done, will post pictures somehow.  The rudder control
will be a bit.

- Original Message - 
From: "Murray Gill" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 11:53 PM
Subject: RE: KR> Declaration of ignorance.


> Yes please Steve, you've shared your thoughts - would be happy now to hear
> your ideas :-)
> Murray Gill
>

KR> Elevator Mass Balance mounting / Bingelis

[Steve and Lori McGee]

When you type th url in an email, do not hit enter until you are done.
Hitting enter at the end of the line stops the url address.
- Original Message - 
From: "Murray Gill" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 9:50 PM
Subject: RE: KR> Elevator Mass Balance mounting / Bingelis


> Yes I can see what the problem is. The URL that you copied and posted was
> not complete.  The rest of the URL was on the next line.
> This might work.  The important thing to note is that "TopOfPage"is the
end
> of the URL
>
>
http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/authors/bingelis/How%20to%20Mass%20
> Balance%20Control%20Surfaces.html#TopOfPage
>
> Murray Gill
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: krnet-bounces+mjgill=webone.com...@mylist.net
> > [mailto:krnet-bounces+mjgill=webone.com...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Norm
> > Seel
> > Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2004 15:47
> > To: serge.vi...@ate-international.com; KRnet
> > Subject: Re: KR> Elevator Mass Balance mounting / Bingelis
> >
> >
> > I can't get the link on flutter to open.  Suggestions?
> > Norman Seel
> > Brandon, FL
> > norman.s...@verizon.net
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Serge F. Vidal" 
> > To: "'KRnet'" 
> > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 3:07 AM
> > Subject: RE: KR> Elevator Mass Balance mounting / Bingelis
> >
> >
> > > Here is the link to Old Tony's articles
> > >
> > > http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/authors/bingelis/
> > >
> > > ... and the one about flutter.
> > >
> > >
> > http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/authors/bingelis/How%20to
> %20Mass%20
> > Balance%20Control%20Surfaces.html#TopOfPage
> >
> > Serge Vidal
> > KR2 ZS-WEC
> > - Taildragger, VW powered (2.4 liter, dual electronic ignition)
> > - Total aircraft time: 390h
> > - Aircraft hangared at: Orleans, France
> > - Pilot moaning in: Tunis, Tunisia
> > E-mail: serge.vi...@ate-international.com
> > 
> >
> > I wish I could find the URL to the original articles by Mr. Bingelis who
> > (in my opinion) does know what he is talking about.  In the interim,
> > this extract from one of two articles (by Tony) that I have on the
> > topic.  I do not remember any copyright restrictions - I tend to look
> > for and respect such warnings.
> > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
> >
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KR> Web page - pages

[Steve and Lori McGee]

  Well here it is.  I started pages at my regular family web site for the plane 
build.  This URL will take you right to the plane pages. 

  I should say here that I do not plan to do a full build web page.  I do not 
want to take the time, nor do I feel we as a group need more pages of spar 
building, sanding etc.  I will cover topics that I decided to do differently, 
or found little information on when I was researching a topic.

 Plans and information are in the works for a web page on thermo forming that 
mysterious material called clear acrylic (Plexiglas).  I am trying to get 
someone to draw cartoon characters for me (for free) and have had no luck.  
Anyone out there want recognition for this?


http://www.geocities.com/magoosus/plane.html


Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building  KR2SW  The Impostor
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR> Suppliers

[Steve and Lori McGee]

  I just want to put a word out there that I had a small and I mean small 
complaint with Wicks Aircraft, and they jumped right on it and fixed it.  I 
have used them almost exclusively and this was the only problem so far.  It was 
about a web order and the person handling it did not see the special 
instruction in the note section that ended up costing me extra shipping 
charges.  ( Cheri was on vacation! She will have to let me know before she goes 
next time. )  They re-imbursed me for the charges.  I think they are a great 
company.

 I have dealt with Air Spruce also a little with no problems.  They also went 
out of their way to help me get in touch with tech counselors at BRS parachutes.

It's nice to have such good companies in the business.


Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR> Stick linkages

[Steve and Lori McGee]

  For the last couple of weeks I have been working on my stick design to hook 
up to my aileron bellcranks converted for push tubes.  The first one I came up 
with is almost finished and won't be finished.  It sucks, looks like sh**, 
works just as bad and I don't like it.   

  I threw it aside and said there has to be a better way.  I talked to myself 
out loud while starring into the cockpit and listed my needs, listed what 
didn't work and brainstormed from there.  What I was blessed with for an idea 
is so incredibly simple.  

  I am putting handles on the ends of the push tubes and running them into the 
cockpit about belly button high.  I will fly the wings like every kid in their 
imagination does with my arms pulling on them!  The elevator stick in my teeth 
and away I go!

 Seriously though I did come up with something much better, at least for now in 
my mind.  Time will tell when I get it built.

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR> Stick angles

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Designers: 

 I know the manual covers the suggested angles that the ailerons and elevator 
need to move themselves, but does anyone know the angle or degrees the stock 
design from neutral to full aileron the STICK has to move?  Same for the 
elevator.  
  In the design I am working on I plan on ailerons to be full at 20 degree 
stick, and elevator at 20 degree down stick and 30 degree up stick.  Was 
wondering how that compares for the  "touchy" plans design?

  I guess that works out to be 1 for 1 on degrees moved.  Found an old post 
that some one did 30 degrees at full aileron on their modifications, but don't 
know if I would have enough room for my legs at that!  Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>elevator mass balancing!!

[Steve and Lori McGee]

15 Gs - hahhah  -   hehheh - in a tail,  thats a good one.


- Original Message - 
From: "Phillip Matheson" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: KR>elevator mass balancing!!


> Hi all
> I have ,for sometime been concerned about the mass balancing of my
elevator.
> This has been a hot subject lately, and many have talked about elevator
tip
> weights. I would like to hand on some points I found out when I visited an
> aircraft structural engineer on the weekend.
> I took my tail plane and elevator along to show him.
> Note: My tail plan has been extended 12 inches, due to longer Dan Diehl
wing
> skins used.
> I also took the KR plans with me.
>
> After much talk on my building techniques  I was happy to say it passed
his
> inspection.
> I wanted to pass on some of his comments on mass balancing a tail plane
>
> He was concerned about placing weights onto the elevator tips, as the
> elevator plans are not designed for this and twisting of the elevator MAY
be
> a problem.
> His advise was to do as Mark Langford has done( or similar) and place the
> weights on the Control linkage , and not the elevator tips.
>
> Reasons
> 1. twisting of the elevator tips
> 2. the mass balance arm and mountings must be able to carry 15 times the
> weight of the mass balance
> ( 12 times minimum and 3 for safety factor).
> >From this I would be concerned at adding 4130 lead filled tubing or
similar
> to my elevator tips.
>
> He was not impressed with the Aileron mass balance mounting arms as well.
He
> could believe the plans do not insist on a gusset welded to the mass
balance
> arm to stop cracking , failure.
>
> Now I'll stand back and face the music.
>
>
> Phil Matheson
> mathe...@dodo.com.au
> Australia
> 61 3 58833588
> See our  VW Engines and home built Parts
> and Kits at:
> http://www.vw-engines.com/
> www.homebuilt-aviation.com
>
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KR>elevator mass balancing!!

[Steve and Lori McGee]

  Not trying to shoot the messenger and did not mean to cause problems.
Just set me off I guess.  Sorry.  Was just that the thought of if we have to
build to 15  Gs on an 8 inch span, then what about larger?  What are the
chances of the wings holding fuel tanks like myself and others are building
as much as 40" away from the wafs.  Holding up to 100 pounds each?   What
about a complete tail assembly with counter weights and rear wheel etc, 80
inches and more from the rear spar?  How many Gs will that take?   Obviously
no one wants to build an unsafe plane.  But if you plan on thigs at 6 G max,
then what is a person to do?  Is there a schematic or drawing out there that
due to forces of 6 G in a cockpit / waf area, these other areas are under
going this # Gs due to their location on a plane?
   I guess I will say here and now in my simple mind I understood the tail
to be like the rudder on a ship.  While being able to force and turn  a huge
amount of weight and size against a much heavier resistance of water, goes
on its merry little way cutting its own path.  Perhaps that ballistic chute
I plan on installing will be used very quickly in the life of the plane,
perhaps not.

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net




- Original Message - 
From: "Phillip Matheson" <mathe...@dodo.com.au>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 12:49 AM
Subject: Re: KR>elevator mass balancing!!


> From: "Steve and Lori McGee" <lmc...@maqs.net>
> >15 Gs - hahhah  -   hehheh - in a tail,  thats a good one.
> >
> ---
>
> I may have made a mistake, with the 15 times factor, he may have said 13.
> But it was quite considerable, I'm not qualified to give this information,
I
> can only pass it on.
>
> So please do not shoot the messenger.
>
> But I only hope it makes us ask questions when we modify something.
>
> I at least went to the trouble to find out from someone qualified.
>
> Mark , Don, Dana, Dan and others Please keep the information flowing on
this
> great KRnet.
>
>
> Phil Matheson
> mathe...@dodo.com.au
> Australia
> 61 3 58833588
> See our  VW Engines and home built Parts
> and Kits at:
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KR> Solid wing - no wafs

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Had I started from scratch and knew what I do now, I would have done the
solid wing also.  Stronger, less weight and cheaper.  Just need the room to
build it.
- Original Message - 
From: "Doug Rupert" 
To: "'Orma Robbins'" ; "'KRnet'"

Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 7:42 PM
Subject: RE: KR> !!


> Another way around this problem, for those that have the room required for
> such a structure is to build the wing as a single structure, wing tip to
> wing tip, thereby eliminating the WAF's altogether. This is the way Marcel
> Jurca designed the wing structure for his 75% Spitfire replica and it has
> proved a very strong structure. Personally, I would try this on my
personal
> KR before actually endorsing the practice but plan on exactly that as well
> as keeping a very detailed record as to time involved and overall weight.
I
> also like the idea of being able to keep all fuel in the wings and out of
> the cockpit for obvious reasons. Will keep you updated as construction
> begins.
> Doug Rupert
> Simcoe Ontario.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
> Of Orma Robbins
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 8:21 PM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> !!
>
> The spar pillar spacing
>
> I accidently deleted some of the threads about this subject, and like
Mark,
> I have no real engineering experiese in this area.  I do remember that
these
> pillars have been called load distribution blocks.  In a discussion long
ago
> it was mentioned that if the rigidity of the wing changed, then the stress
> is changed(moved).  It was said that care must be taken to ensure that the
> stress load that would be taken up by the bending of the spar of a
standard
> wing is not somehow transferred to the WAF's by a wing that no longer
bends
> as it should as would be the case by changing the spacing of the load
> distribution blocks or in some other way making the spar less flexable
like
> installing a large tank.  My non expert opinion is that if the wing is
less
> flexible then the original design then the G loading of the wing should be
> reduced.
>
> Orma L. Robbins Southfield MI
> 19 Years flying KR-2 N110LR
> http://www.aviation-mechanics.com
>
>
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KR>elevator mass balancing!! G-loads

[Steve and Lori McGee]

I know that the wings carry the load in flight, thats why I wanted to go
with the wing tanks to stress the wafs less.   But what I was getting at was
that if 8 inches required 15 Gs - then what does a 125 pound wing with
gravity center 40 inches out create in a hard landing?  What IS a hard
landing?  1.5 Gs?  3? That is for plane weight - what is the folcrum result
on the WAFs?

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net





From: "Mark Jones" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: KR>elevator mass balancing!!


>
> Steve,
> I can not answer all your questions in your original but I would like to
> touch on the above. The weight of the fuel tanks you speak of are only
> stressing the WAF's when the plane is on the ground. In flight, the wings
> support all the weight of the tanks.
>
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI  USA
> E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
> Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html
>
>
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KR> 6061-T6 I have some

[Steve and Lori McGee]

I am the lucky owner of not T stock, but H beam that can be cut into T or
even channel.  I have not said anything at first as I did not know if it
would sell as you need to cut it, but hey , you are cutting anyway right?
They are 53 inches long and great for clamping spars and whatever togther
with.  An H beam is like I beam only it stays the same thickness in the
sides, not thicker by the bridge.   This stock is 1.25 across the sides, and
1.38 across the inner bridge.  1.31 would be possible after a saw kerf.  The
thickness of all 3 areas is between .104 and .110 These were intended
for use where I work, but they were purchased too short and I was able to
get a release for some.  If this will be in demand I will need to get more
as I will only sell about 6 of what I have.  You need 4 to clamp spars.

I would have to get $25 a piece plus shipping.  Thats about $6 a foot.

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net

KR> Larry Flesner

[Steve and Lori McGee]

- Original Message - 
From: "Merl Manning" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 7:38 AM
Subject: RE: KR> Larry Flesner


> If you widen it to 40" at the shoulders will the "standard" canopy and
rear
> turtle deck still fit?
>
> Merl Manning  (me...@netins.net)
> Eldora, Iowa
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
> Behalf Of Gavin Donohoe
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:51 AM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> Larry Flesner
>
>
> Go for 40 inches at the shoulders, that'll be heaps!!!
>
> Gav
>
> Australia
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Stephen Jacobs" 
> To: "'KRnet'" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 6:54 PM
> Subject: KR> Larry Flesner
>
>
> > Larry
> >
> > I am trying to finalize the cockpit width - I have been studying
> > pictures of aircraft with an occupant in the pilot's seat - in
> > particular your bird and that of Chris Gardiner - both appear to have
> > adequate space - but I am not sure how big the occupant is.
> >
> > How wide would you make it if you built another 2S and wanted 2 seats?
> >
> > I was surprised at how far you are seated away from the panel in your
> > airplane - I suspect that you have no shortage of legroom - looks like a
> > good 4" of headroom?
> >
> > Does anyone know how big a fellow Chris Gardiner is - he looks very
> > comfortable in his KR?
> >
> > Maybe I trying an overkill with 1200 mm (47")
> >
> > Thanks
> > Steve (askies"AT"microlink.zm)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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KR> Plans, wiring, wood glue rantings.

[Steve and Lori McGee]

  I will throw out  observations I have made.  

  This use of epoxy on such a weak wood as this spruce is drastic overkill.  It 
takes little to break the grain of the wood.  You could probably build a KR 
using Liquid Nails and be just as safe.  
  Same goes with this wiring.  For those of us with polyurethane foam in the 
plane, the fact the wire fumes will not be toxic is no relief.
  As to following plans on a KR few have and there are many true improvements 
over the original garage builders design.  So whats one more here and there.  
There is NOTHING plans built so far on my plane.  I could sell the plans when I 
am done as they have not built a KR!  Though I will not as I will use them for 
reference in the future when I build a GP4, or P38, or

 Firewall is decided, 2 - 1/16 layers of fiber frax and aluminum for cover and 
looks.  

  Flamesuit is on.

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S / Vision lookalike widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR> Plans, wiring, wood glue rantings.

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Firewall material, similar to asbestos.


- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Plans, wiring, wood glue rantings.


> steve mcgee said  ;  2-1/16 layers of fiber frax
>
>-I guess i have ben asleep,  "What is FIBER FRAX ?   franc
steel
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KR>Flutter

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Thank you for that information!   That was very enlightening.  This fuse I
am finishing is close to the Lancair style of construction (AKA Dr Dean)
with also a large tail!   I had been pondering whether to make a completely
removable Rear turtle deck or just have access panels.  You just made up my
mind and may have saved me at the same time!   Thanks Joe!

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net


- Original Message - 
From: "joe" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: KR>Flutter


> To all concerned about flutter:
>I am going to quote from a professional study regarding
> the Lancair: "Unlike control surface flutter, which is typically managed
by
> counterweighting the surfaces and/or
> modifying their control actuation systems, the flutter identified here is
> with the fuselage itself,".
>   The excerpt is from a study which cab be found at:
>http://www.lancair.net/flutter.html
> Joe
> - Original Message - 
> From: "joe" 
> To: "KRnet" 
> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 12:16 PM
> Subject: Re: KR>Flutter
>
>
> > Dear Steve,
> >   I know when I'm licked. However my comments are
> > from real life experiences. Somewhat different the aileron control
> surfaces
> > and the elevator trim tabs were repaired
> > with bondo which deformed them during high speed flight.
> >   The report results read "malformation". The other comment I thought to
> be
> > part of every aviators curriculum
> > that exceed Vne and you become a test pilot.
> >
> > PS The aircraft involved was my comanche 250.
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Stephen Jacobs" 
> > To: "'KRnet'" 
> > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 11:52 AM
> > Subject: KR>Flutter
> >
> >
> > > I respect airplanes as much as I love them, so when they talk to me I
> > > listen.  Not many things in airplanes scare me, but when they do - I
> > > feel compelled to tell fellow aviators.
> > >
> > > We have talked about carb ice - I have told you what I know and I will
> > > be happy if my input helps one person avoid a bad day.
> > >
> > > Carb ice (at worst), will turn your airplane into a glider - gliders
> > > still fly.  Flutter is something very different - it could leave you
> > > sitting on a wingless brick.  Not many of the folks that have
> > > experienced flutter are still around - it is difficult to describe the
> > > suddenness and violence of this phenomenon.
> > >
> > > My concern about flutter has resulted in 15 years of listening,
reading,
> > > testing and trying.  I do not wish to enter into debate on any of
this -
> > > take it or leave it: (Mark, Dana & Larry exempted)
> > >
> > > This is KRnet, so my comment applies to everything we are likely to
> > > address - however, I would apply the same rationale to a Pietenpol.
> > >
> > > IN EVERY CASE
> > >
> > > 1.  Mass balance (statically) all control surfaces.  This is not
> > > critical to the nth degree - just ensure that EVERY completed control
> > > surface sort of "hangs level" with the pushrod disconnected.  Yes, the
> > > rudder is a problem - figure a way to turn the bird on its side - or
do
> > > the VStab before you mount it.  I prefer distributed balance weight
> > > where possible - not all in one place.  Aerodynamic balance tabs are
> > > great - they provide one more place to put some of the counter weight.
> > >
> > > Get the ballast as far fwd (of the hinge-line) as possible to reduce
the
> > > amount required.  All KR control surfaces are aft of CG, so keep added
> > > weight to the essential minimum - it affects CG.
> > >
> > > 2.  Zero slop in the control linkages and hinges (including trim tab).
> > >
> > > 3.  Perfect alignment between the moving control surface and the fixed
> > > surface - avoid a step-down between the fixed and the trailing
(movable)
> > > surface - this introduces turbulence at the TE of the fixed surface,
> > > i.e. turbulence over the control surface - I believe that this
provokes
> > > flutter.
> > >
> > > If in doubt, make the moving surface a tad thicker than the fixed
> > > surface.
> > >
> > > There has been good advice from some of the netters - viz:
> > >
> > > = apples and oranges are being mixed here
> > > = Flutter can happen at any speed
> > > = more factors limiting the Vne than elevator flutter
> > > = Flutter can destroy an aircraft in flight!
> > >
> > >
> > > I have also seen information from other netters that makes no sense at
> > > all - viz.:
> > >
> > > = However, any malformation of the elevator, depends on the
> > > malformation.  Exceeding Vne coupled with excess loading factor and
all
> > > bets are off.
> > >
> > >
> > > Take care
> > > Steve
> > > askies(At)microlink.zm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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KR>Original bellcrank lacking

[Steve and Lori McGee]

I am making my own design as I am using push tubes rather than cables.  In 
starting the drawings in autocad I began with the original dimensions as I 
figured they would be close.  By my calculations the original design can not 
attain the 10 degree down aileron without hitting and binding.  This must be 
what you guys have been talking about lately.

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR> Thrust line data

[Steve and Lori McGee]

I know I have seen this mentioned before both here and noticed it in web sites, 
but have not noticed it in the manual or on the drawings.   I take it I am 
missing something here as everyone that has built their plane had to figure 
this out. Langford mentions being high or low from the main longerons (I 
forget and don't want to look again) but should be ok because of blah blah...   
Where is this data and how is it measured?  What are typical tolerances for the 
KR2S.


Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>Elevator balance amount

[Steve and Lori McGee]

  I did the elevator counter balance today with the elevator being the "Horn " 
style ( Richard Mole design ) with the naca 63009 airfoil.
With the weight in the horns it took a total of 28 ounces of lead in 4 peices 
of conduit.  Maybe 29 OZ in all.  Anyone else know the weight required for 
their counter balance?  I was wondering where I sat  for weight comparison.  
Also this  HS is almost 8 feet wide. 
   Now with the weight in the horns there is no worry of a bracket breaking 
under G loads.  The horns are well wrapped with carbon and I plan on wraping 
some light deck cloth around the wood rib on the outside as there is room.  
This will also make up for the extra weight of paint on the larger rear side of 
the elevator.  

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>Wood washer = Fender Washer

[Steve and Lori McGee]

For those of you who don't know  ;-)


Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>Clorox - NO for mold.

[Steve and Lori McGee]

FYI that bleach does not kill all mold.  In fact does a poor job.  It will
clean it up and look nice, but then you should go at it with good old Lysol.
It is the PHENOL in the lysol that kills the mold and fungus.  In fact in a
data sheet I saw about 10 years back there had yet to be discovered anything
that Phenol did not kill.  You should not even worry about getting a
stronger solution of phenol than what is already in lysol to do the job.  It
is plenty strong enuf.  In fact there are cleaners out there now that are
bleach and Lysol mixed.  Though I do not know the level of phenol in this
solution.   Just something I learned back in my taxidermy days.

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net



- Original Message - 
From: "gleone" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: KR>Clorox on old wood


> It shouldn't hurt the epoxy but it will bleach the wood.  I've used it on
> full military rifle stocks soaked in cosmoline.  On the stocks, it took
> hours of sanding to get the color to show again but it didn't hurt the
wood.
>  Only took out the cosmoline and the color.
>
> ---Original Message---
>
> From: KRnet
> Date: 03/14/04 11:43:29
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: KR>Clorox on old wood
>
> I checked the archives on this but couldn't get a definitive answer to the
> use of Clorox on plywood.
>
> I have 20 year old KR project that has some moisture damage to the boat
(my
> site will show you what stage I'm in: http://home.comcast.net/~rickcoy/RAF
> html).
>
> Some of the varnish is worn away and some of the stains look like they
might
> be some kind of mould. Is Clorox safe on glue joints? Do I use it full
> strength, then rinse -- or leave it on?
>
> Rick Coykendall
> KR2
> San Francisco Bay Area
> rick...@yahoo.com
>
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KR>operating lean of peak

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Sounds like old Charles Lindbergh technology to me.


Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net



- Original Message - 
From: "Oscar Zuniga" 
To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 8:21 AM
Subject: KR>operating lean of peak


> Sometime back, Dana Overall posted a link to the KRNet, a technical paper
> about GAMIjectors and operating lean of peak (for operation of the 550 in
> his his Bonanza).  I was reading an article in AOPA Pilot about engine
> operation LOP and as Dana had mentioned, it's not too practical to do this
> with a carbureted engine due to the variation in mixture delivered to each
> cylinder.  Attempting to lean past the peak usually results in
unacceptably
> rough running.
>
> So the article gave a tip to try on carbureted engines: apply carb heat in
> conjunction with the leaning operation and see if you can find a
combination
> that works.  Apparently this has been used on Twin Beeches (among others)
> with good results.
>
> Now why would you want to go to all this effort to run lean in the first
> place?  Using carb heat results in a drop in RPM (and power), right?
Well,
> it turns out that the engine likes to run LOP, as the graphs of EGT, CHT,
> and specific fuel consumption indicate.  All of those values drop off as
you
> go LOP.  For those out there who want to maximize performance at cruise,
> running LOP is worth experimenting with.  Someone here mentioned Klaus
> Savier and his Lightspeed ignition recently, and it should be noted that
> Klaus is one who has made lots of forays into the world of maximized
> performance... which is how his ignition was developed (performance runs
and
> racing).  Running LOP requires looking at things in a new and different
way.
>
> Which is how Dana operates anyway... but that's another story ;o)
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildr...@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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KR>keeping it light

[Steve and Lori McGee]

>Mark Langford said:

Troy tells me that he was happy that he had to build new
> wings because his top wing skins had detached from the foam and they would
> balloon upwards during flight.  This is on a carefully constructed plane
> less than ten years old that is always hangared!

This is something I have been pondering on the method of the micro/epoxy mix
before the laying of the glass.  I have noticed that the epoxy will seep
into the foam a few millimeters making it stiffer and stronger if no micro
is used.  Perhaps this should be the method on the top of the wing as this
is what holds us up in the air!   Then use the micro  in the other areas for
keeping it light?

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net

KR>EMI issues

[Steve and Lori McGee]

There are suppliers out there in the plastics industry that make many type
of EMI shield materials for use in manufacturing.  Basically laminating
copper and aluminum foils in acrylic plastics among others.   Acrilic is
used basically for its stiffness to hold up to manufacturing stresses.  We
could do the same thing using foils and our epoxy in some light weight
fiberglass.  Molded to shape on the back of our instrument panels.  Do the
research and you will find it is quite easy, should you feel you have a
problem with EMI interference.  You may need to acid etch the foils to get
the epoxy to stick.


Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net

KR>Help me use that veeery long drill bit!

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Serge -  why not use a shorter bit and do it from each end?


- Original Message - 
From: "Serge F. Vidal" 
To: "'KRnet'" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 7:08 AM
Subject: KR>Help me use that veeery long drill bit!


> I have an impressive drill bit in my office. Diameter is 8mm (that is
> 0.32"), and length is... 2100 mm! (Yep, that is 82.7"!). Was made
specially
> for my KR2. Understand why?
>
> The idea is: I am preparing to get inspected by the French authorities.
The
> French law makes no provision for an imported homebuilt, so I had to
> persuade them that there would be no difference with a new project. They
> agreed to give it a try, provided I find a way to make my spars
inspectable.
>
> So, the proposed solution, as suggested by our Austrian builder (Christan
> Kogelmann), is to drill a hole along the spars, right in the middle of the
> spar spacers, and inspect with a borescope.
>
> Now, for those who didn't follow the story, I am now living in Tunisia,
and
> my poor KR is in France. So, I will have to take that drill bit along with
> me when I go there. What is the airline going to say about that, I
wonder...
>
> Anyway, the critical thing is to drill those holes very straight,
especially
> in the aft spar.
>
> My intentions are:
> 1 - Make two wooden drill jigs (wood blocks with a hole through them), one
> for the front spar and one for the aft spar, matching the spars side
> section;
> 2 - With wings removed, clamp the jig between the WAFs
> 3 - Starting with a short drill bit, slowly drill through the first
spacers;
> 4 - Take the long drill bit, then finish the job.
>
> Since I cannot see the aircraft, I checked the construction manual to find
> the dimensions of the spars side section. When I add the spars dimensions
> and the plywood, What I get is:
>
> OUTER WING FWD
> Caps Ply Total
> H 7.28" (184.9mm)
> W 2.031" (51.6mm)
>
> OUTER WING AFT
>
> H 4.03" (102.5mm)
> W 1.03" (26.2mm)
>
> Could somebody check these dimensions for me?
>
>
>
>
> Serge Vidal
> KR2 ZS-WEC
> Tunis, Tunisia
> E-mail: serge.vi...@ate-international.com
>
>
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KR>Hardware list

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Is there a list or info page some where noting the hardware requirements 
(castellated nuts, pins, etc) on things such as push tubes, bell cranks, 
cables, etc

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>Hardware list

[Steve and Lori McGee]

I guess I did not explain myself well enuf.  I did not mean a parts list for
the KR.  I meant what is required (if there is a guideline) for hardware
fittings on bell cranks, pushtubes, cables, etc.  Regardless of the plane.
So the inspector doesn't come in and say " you have to replace all these
nuts with castles, those pins with bolts, ..."   Thanks for the replies!

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net



- Original Message - 
From: 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: KR>Hardware list


> > Is there a list or info page some where noting the hardware requirements
(castellated nuts, pins, etc) on things such as push tubes, bell cranks,
cables, etc
> >
> > Steve McGee
> > Endeavor Wi. USA
> > Building a KR2S widened.
> > lmc...@maqs.net
> >
> Steve,
>
> I have a list of just such in an excell format.  Just like the one I made
for the aluminum that is posted on the archieve.  It was made from plans "as
plans". You would need to modify for your use. It lists each item and where
it is to be used. If you would like I will send it to you direct.
>
> Steven Phillabaum
> Auburn, AL
> "Work Table Stage"
>
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KR>hardware

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Just got done ordering over $400 worth of push tubes, cables, and hardware.  
Man I really have to wonder about the buildable price on this thing being as 
low as is said to be.   Course some of that hardware priceing is just short of 
an all out rape.  
Now I need to get busy building and doing less buying and save up some money 
for the engine rebuild, then the instruments, then the.



Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>I also learned to fly a tailwheel in my KR

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Brian

 Sorry to hear of your unfortunate turn of events.  I hope your ego recovers
as well as you and your plane is a joy to keep working on.It could have
been much worse I am sure.

Since I have yet to put the gear on - posts like this make me think of
putting the third wheel in front!

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net

KR>4x2x1/8 aluminum extrusion

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Why would you want to spend 120 plus dollars on that for a poor aerodynamic
design?  I know it is to plans, but a poor, and expensive design.  There are
several other methods out there.  Or you can use your imagination.  I plan
on using aluminum tube, flat stock and 4  home made hinge points per
aileron. The joints will be the rounded off, no gap design.

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net




- Original Message - 
From: "larry severson" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 11:13 AM
Subject: KR>4x2x1/8 aluminum extrusion


> Where can I get the extrusion needed for the aileron hinge? AS does not
> carry it.
>
>
>
> Larry Severson
> Fountain Valley, CA 92708
> (714) 968-9852
> lar...@socal.rr.com
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KR>Progress report (long)

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Larry Resnor said:

> Speeds:  I replaced my "KPH" ASI with a "SMPH" ASI.  Flat out
> cruise I'm seeing between 150 and 160 depending on how
> straight and level I hold it and for how long.  I'm tending not
> to do any long straight and level runs just yet, more turns, climbs,
> slow flight, etc.  Also, I still don't have wheel pants on those 30"
> Diehl gear legs with the 600X6 wheels and brakes hanging out
> in the breese.  At 2500? rpm I'm only pulling maybe 85 hp out
> of the engine also so I look to get another 10 mph or so at some
> point which should give me a strong 160mph+ cruise.  Remember,
> I do have a big (and heavy) KR.
>
>
Larry, how big and how heavy?  This is a far cry from the 195 many are said
to achieve.

KR>Elevator trim

[Steve and Lori McGee]

I have to question this "control the broken elevator thru using the trim
tab" philosophy.  Has it been done?  If an elevator is hanging out there
with no wires attached, will it not just neutralize when you put up or down
pressure with the trim tab?

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net

KR>Fuel pumps / regulators

[Steve and Lori McGee]

With all the problems with these things it is hard not to believe we are trying 
to reinvent the wheel again.  Motorcyle carbs like the mikuni and zenith are 
intended for gravity feed but some bike designs with their gas tank shapes do 
not feed well that way.  So some have small electric fuel pumps with built in 
regulators.  My kawasaki classic is one of them.  You know what I will be 
trying.  Used or rebuilts go for around $50.  I will need a pair to have 
redundancy with my wing tanks, as I want no header tank.  Though I suppose 
simplicity would be a half gallon header with overflows back to the wings with 
simple inexpensive auto pumps that run constantly.  


Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>The Gathering

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Sounds like a vampierical time or something to do with scottish highlanders.  
(Of which my ancestors are).

Any way who is controlling the money and do you have paypal to get donations?

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>WAF'S OVER SIZED BOLTS

[Steve and Lori McGee]

If you are looking for approval I doubt you would get it here.  No one wants
to be included in a bad decision even if it was unintentional.  Rather than
redrilling the wafs, have you tried measuring for any discrepancy in them?
Did you make them yourself?  A difference of .030 on hole location would
make a big change if you took them off and swapped them around.  If you made
them yourself you would know they are not that hard to make.  Maybe try to
just make the couple with the needed changes to put the tips where they need
to be?

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net



- Original Message -
From: 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:04 PM
Subject: KR>WAF'S OVER SIZED BOLTS


> Guys,
>
> When I drilled up my WAF'S the tips of the forward spars were in different
> places. I need to bring the right wing tip forward and the left wing tip
aft. I
> was thinking about taking the bolts (AN6's) out of the upper and lower
attach
> fittings on the rear face of the forward spar, moving them to where the
should
> be and, reaming the holes up to a 7/16 (AN7), which should clean up any
> mismatch. This would put me below the 2D minimum for edge distance by .072
in.
>
> Chris Theroux
> Gilbert, AZ
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KR>Re: wingskins

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Now that is desire to have an airplane.  The livingroom!


- Original Message -
From: 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:55 PM
Subject: KR>Re: wingskins


> how about a discussion on the pros and cons of rand Robinson wing skins vs
> dan diehls-
> i am building in the living room and want to reduce exposure to epoxy
fumes
> and fiberglass sanding dust  any info would be appreciated
>
> Garry Cowles
> Santa Fe NM
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KR>Firewall

[Steve and Lori McGee]

The KR plans call for .020 asbestos and .005 of stainless.  I was wondering 
what flying Krs have used and been approved.  I see that wicks only carries 
.018 stainless.  Also this is what is called out in Bingelis firewall forward 
book.  Thanks.

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>Engines

[Steve and Lori McGee]

I agree.  On the statistics side for the conclusion chosen these numbers
mean nothing.  You have to get a lot more specific.  This is like saying
there are a lot more car accidents than motorcycles.  No why, what is the
percentage on the road, throw in the driver learning curve, yada yada yada
.

- Original Message -
From: "Dean Cooper" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: KR>Engines


> LJHusky1 wrote:
>
> The Results:
> > > >
> > > > ENGINE ACC PCT LOPLOP%
> > > > -- --- --- ---
> > > > Certified  332 51%  57 17%
> > > > Auto95 15%  27 28%
> > > > Non-C/4 70 11%  13 19%
> > > > Two-Strokes13421%  46 34%
>
> I do not have enough knowledge in this field to enter the debate, but felt
> it necessary to state the obvious.  This is good information at a high
> level, but really doesn't support either side simply because "Loss of
Power"
> is far too vague to explain which is a better engine design.  For example,
> what about fuel starvation?  This has to explain a number of the accidents
> and may nothing to do with the engine itself.  Also, It's unclear from the
> email if the study only looked at experimental aircraft.  Obviously, when
> you have Joe Homebuilder building the plane in his garage, it is going to
be
> subject to inconsistent results.  Some builders will build the firewall
> forward wrong and show up on an NTSB report.  If the study is not specific
> to experimentals, then I would expect these results, simply because I
> suspect you will have a higher number of accidents in training aircraft
> (certified engines), due to pilot error, which drives your numerator up
and
> your percentage for loss of power accidents down.  Another obvious point,
> the plans call for an auto conversion (VW) engine...
>
> This should not be taken to be an attack on the author, Just stating the
> obvious (at least to me)  :-)
>
> ps.  What about a prop strike which results in loss of power  :-)
>
> Dean Cooper
> Jacksonville, FL
> Email me at dean_coo...@bellsouth.net
> See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html
>
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KR>Calendars

[Steve and Lori McGee]

I placed an order  today for 3 at Staples.  I felt I couldn't put it off
longer as it is already in the new year.  I requested it to go from feb thru
jan for next year.  We will see.

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net



- Original Message -
From: "Dean Cooper" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 4:41 PM
Subject: KR>Calendars


> Netters,
>
> While I was at CopyMAX earlier this week, I saw a brochure about
personalized calendars (the spiral bound type) and inquired.  They advised
me to bring 13 digital pictures (12 months + cover) and they would make them
up for the following cost:
>
> QtyUnit Cost
> 1 $24.99
> 2-11$19.99
> 12-50  $15.99
> 51+ $12.99
>
> If we got 51 or more, it would be about $14 a calendar.  I thought people
were willing to pay $20, which would be $6 a calander going towards the
gathering fund.
>
> Steve, are you still interested in to doing this if we get enough
interest?
>
> KRnet, is there still interest?  If not, I'll drop it...
>
> Dean Cooper
> Jacksonville, FL
> Email me at dean_coo...@bellsouth.net
> See my KR project at
www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html_
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>
>

KR>Construction time

[Steve and Lori McGee]

   I just reached my 100 hour mark.  In that time I have made:  wafs (done), 
outer spars (close to done), Diehl style glass legs (almost done),  
foam/glassed seat base and backs (done except for hole cutout for stick, 
haven't made up my mind to go center or dual),  back support and seatbelt 
anchor structure, and some body work on already built elevator.  

  For those that haven't followed my build, I purchased a started project with 
boat section of fuse built, main spars in, and elevator rough built.  I have 
also just gone over the $4000 mark invested in the project.  Many supplies are 
now in house including core and a few parts purchased.  Not bad I think for  2 
months.

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>Tempering 4130

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Page 61 of the Wicks catalog.  Also tons of info here.

http://www.survivalistbooks.com/faq/metalfaq.htm

- Original Message -
From: "Gavin Donohoe" 
To: "KR builders and pilots" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:42 PM
Subject: KR>Tempering 4130


> Oh I forgot can anybody tell me how to or where to get the information on
tempering the 4130 tube for the nose strut I'm going to make? I've spoken
with the local spring works and they have all the computerised gear, all
they require from me is the tempering info.
>
> Thanks
>
> Gavin
>
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KR>Question for the mathmatically superior.

[Steve and Lori McGee]

This should trip some egos.

OK here goes:

1- Main spars were built same length, not 1" shorter on front spar.  ( not by 
me, though may have been by design)  So we arestarting out square. - 
remember the difference in wafs length off the outer spars.

2- Rear outer spars are built with thick blocks on each end to allow for 
trimming, as they will most likely be too long.

3- Distance between main spars 21.38  distance to be between them at wing tip 
13.75

4- Main outer spar is 92.63  rear outer spar which can be trimmed is 94.63

Question - How long does my rear spar have to be, what is the angle of my rear 
spar,  what are the angles to make the rear wafs to (#2 fitting and #3 
fitting), what dimension from the bend line are my end mount holes?

Whew - there now I owe a few beers to whoever can give me that.  Probably 
someone with a cad system handy?

KR>Fw: Question for the mathmatically superior.

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Sorry - forgot my sig line.

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 



- Original Message - 
From: Steve and Lori McGee 
To: kr...@mylist.net 
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 7:46 PM
Subject: Question for the mathmatically superior.


This should trip some egos.

OK here goes:

1- Main spars were built same length, not 1" shorter on front spar.  ( not by 
me, though may have been by design)  So we arestarting out square. - 
remember the difference in wafs length off the outer spars.

2- Rear outer spars are built with thick blocks on each end to allow for 
trimming, as they will most likely be too long.

3- Distance between main spars 21.38  distance to be between them at wing tip 
13.75

4- Main outer spar is 92.63  rear outer spar which can be trimmed is 94.63

Question - How long does my rear spar have to be, what is the angle of my rear 
spar,  what are the angles to make the rear wafs to (#2 fitting and #3 
fitting), what dimension from the bend line are my end mount holes?

Whew - there now I owe a few beers to whoever can give me that.  Probably 
someone with a cad system handy?

KR>Fw: Question for the mathmatically superior.

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Oh yes 1 more thing.  The front outer spar narrows of course as it gets to
the end.  The  width at the end is 1.19 so figure the centerline from that
for the angle.  I believe the rest is stock plans.  Another beer I know, I
know.

- Original Message -
From: "Steve and Lori McGee" <lmc...@maqs.net>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 7:47 PM
Subject: KR>Fw: Question for the mathmatically superior.


> Sorry - forgot my sig line.
>
> Steve McGee
> Endeavor Wi. USA
> Building a KR2S widened.
> lmc...@maqs.net
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -
> From: Steve and Lori McGee
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 7:46 PM
> Subject: Question for the mathmatically superior.
>
>
> This should trip some egos.
>
> OK here goes:
>
> 1- Main spars were built same length, not 1" shorter on front spar.  ( not
by me, though may have been by design)  So we arestarting out square. -
remember the difference in wafs length off the outer spars.
>
> 2- Rear outer spars are built with thick blocks on each end to allow for
trimming, as they will most likely be too long.
>
> 3- Distance between main spars 21.38  distance to be between them at wing
tip 13.75
>
> 4- Main outer spar is 92.63  rear outer spar which can be trimmed is 94.63
>
> Question - How long does my rear spar have to be, what is the angle of my
rear spar,  what are the angles to make the rear wafs to (#2 fitting and #3
fitting), what dimension from the bend line are my end mount holes?
>
> Whew - there now I owe a few beers to whoever can give me that.  Probably
someone with a cad system handy?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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KR>math question -sheesh

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Guess the quality tech training took over and expected to come up with an exact 
angle and mount hole dimension to make the wafs before mounting the front ones 
and holding things up and measuring this that, bend a little here, etc...  
Trying to make things too hard maybe.  What is that mantra now???  Good enuf 
for KR work  Good enuf 

Thanks any way.

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>TriMotor - Gives me an idea!

[Steve and Lori McGee]

I always dreamed of flying a P38.

I wonder - 2 corvairs to scale and hm

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>capitalization and punctuation

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Mark and uh - Mark

You need to relax.

There's a line in " Good morning Viet Nam"  for guys like you.  But to quote
it would probably get me kicked off the list.

You didn't here from many guys that it didn't bother because, WelL  iT
didn'T bothEr uS.



Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net

KR>Calendar

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Well we got close to getting enough requests for a calendar, but only 3 
pictures sent in.
Guess there wasn't enough interest.

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>Calendar

[Steve and Lori McGee]

OK OK I will throw one together.  I just didn't want people to get upset with a 
mostly "Mark Langford site calendar" when I had mentioned I wanted fresh 
photos. I also was wanting to put information with them to give credit and 
reference to the builders, location of picture etc.  I guess I will scrounge 
that from the sites.  I will try my best at picking inspirational pictures and 
will start going thru them.  Those with last minute pics, send them in and 
thank you.


Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>Calendar cost

[Steve and Lori McGee]

OK here is the deal.  The calendar is $20+5 for the gathering, plus shipping.  
There is no discount to making them in bulk.  So not knowing exact mailing cost 
to each, they are a total of $30 with the leftover to the gathering fund.  ( 
High I know)  Plus there will be NO date stuff on the months as to what is 
going on in aviation that month.
  I am deleting my e-mails to all who sent me notice that they wanted one.  
Instead send me a check to notify me you want one.  Sorry for any 
dissapointment I may have caused you and your family and loved ones.  Pet the 
dog for me.  Throw the cat out.  Shoot the bird if you have one. 

Steve McGee
PO Box 17
Endeavor, WI
53930

KR>Control tubes

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Any one got a web page out there on a design of using tubes instead of the 
cable system?

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>Calendar Idea

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Hey there KR builders / flyers.  I was thinking of how nice it would be to have 
a KR calendar, and if this isn't already getting done I will throw one together 
if there is enough interest.  I have a friend that can do these up.   My idea 
is to get nice detail photos not already on the internet at websites so they 
are fresh.  Throw a reasonable price on them and put the procedes towards the 
next gathering.  S... below is my plan, but is open for suggestions.

1 - If you want a calendar hit me with an e-mail and say how many.
2-  If you have a good digital picture of a finished KR plane or outstanding 
interior, please send it to me. With what you would like
 mentioned under the credits. Large megabytes for detail.
3-  The contributers of the pictures chosen will get 1 free calendar.
4 - The price will be cost, plus shipping and $5 towards the gathering.
5-  Events will be listed on the calendar such as the Gathering, Oshkosh, etc.  
Notify me of your events!

Ideas? Opinion?

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>Aeropoxy

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Talked to a rep today and was relieved to find out had not damaged the gear 
leg.  Had searched the archives for this and found nothing, so here it is.  

Epoxy lay-up turning brown from being too hot does not ruin the lay-up.  The 
rep from aeropoxy said that the epoxy can oxidize and that it is actually 
common.  

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>flying inverted

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Or at least roll overs and half loops.  Is the corvair capable and with what 
carb setup?

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>Windshield

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Your right, a very good example on how not to do it.

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>A good steel data list.

[Steve and Lori McGee]

For those that are interested.

http://www.survivalistbooks.com/faq/metalfaq.htm

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>questions - wafs / rims

[Steve and Lori McGee]

On the new wing design with the stronger spars, because the wafs will be 
farther apart, does this this also create a higher rating in the wafs?  

I am pretty sure now I will be pushing the limit plus of the KR2S with this 
foam fused flyer, partially because lets see, the HS is larger, fuse both fore 
(4 inches) and aft (2 inches), and the wings are all larger than the kr2s 
plans.  Having read in the archives that it is the wafs that were the weakest 
link, ( especially now with the larger spar).  I would not worry about the 
extra weight if I could get the wafs that much stronger.  I thought about 
increasing their thickness,  but have been wondering what the added spacing 
does.  

I guess I am also going to have to bite the bullet on those dang wheels with a 
heavier plane.  Any of you heavy S guys using those Asuza rims? 

Any suggestions?

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>questions - wafs / rims

[Steve and Lori McGee]

So then I believe the new spar was found to be about  18% stronger than the
old one, so add 18% to the gross load?   1239# rated load?  1200 with safety
margin?

- Original Message -
From: "Brian Kraut" <eng...@earthlink.net>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: KR>questions - wafs / rims


>
> The net result of using a thicker wing and having the WAFs further apart
is that there is less stress on them.  If the center point of the lift on
your wing was 10' from the WAFs and you were holding up 500 pounds of plane
on that one wing the torque would be 500 foot pounds.  If your WAFs were 6"
apart from each other you would have 1000 pounds of tension on the bottom
WAF and 1000 pounds of compression on the top one.  If you could increase
the distance between them to 1' you would only have 500 pounds acting on
each one.
>
>
> Steve and Lori McGee wrote:
>
> On the new wing design with the stronger spars, because the wafs will be
farther apart, does this this also create a higher rating in the wafs?
>
> I am pretty sure now I will be pushing the limit plus of the KR2S with
this foam fused flyer, partially because lets see, the HS is larger, fuse
both fore (4 inches) and aft (2 inches), and the wings are all larger than
the kr2s plans.  Having read in the archives that it is the wafs that were
the weakest link, ( especially now with the larger spar).  I would not worry
about the extra weight if I could get the wafs that much stronger.  I
thought about increasing their thickness,  but have been wondering what the
added spacing does.
>
> I guess I am also going to have to bite the bullet on those dang wheels
with a heavier plane.  Any of you heavy S guys using those Asuza rims?
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Steve McGee
> Endeavor Wi. USA
> Building a KR2S widened.
>
>
>
>
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Fw: KR>questions - wafs / rims

[Steve and Lori McGee]

-

> So then I believe the new spar was found to be about  18% stronger than
the
> old one, so add 18% to the gross load?   1239# rated load?  1200 with
safety
> margin?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brian Kraut" <eng...@earthlink.net>
> To: <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:49 PM
> Subject: Re: KR>questions - wafs / rims
>
>
> >
> > The net result of using a thicker wing and having the WAFs further apart
> is that there is less stress on them.  If the center point of the lift on
> your wing was 10' from the WAFs and you were holding up 500 pounds of
plane
> on that one wing the torque would be 500 foot pounds.  If your WAFs were
6"
> apart from each other you would have 1000 pounds of tension on the bottom
> WAF and 1000 pounds of compression on the top one.  If you could increase
> the distance between them to 1' you would only have 500 pounds acting on
> each one.
> >
> >
> > Steve and Lori McGee wrote:
> >
> > On the new wing design with the stronger spars, because the wafs will be
> farther apart, does this this also create a higher rating in the wafs?
> >
> > I am pretty sure now I will be pushing the limit plus of the KR2S with
> this foam fused flyer, partially because lets see, the HS is larger, fuse
> both fore (4 inches) and aft (2 inches), and the wings are all larger than
> the kr2s plans.  Having read in the archives that it is the wafs that were
> the weakest link, ( especially now with the larger spar).  I would not
worry
> about the extra weight if I could get the wafs that much stronger.  I
> thought about increasing their thickness,  but have been wondering what
the
> added spacing does.
> >
> > I guess I am also going to have to bite the bullet on those dang wheels
> with a heavier plane.  Any of you heavy S guys using those Asuza rims?
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Steve McGee
> > Endeavor Wi. USA
> > Building a KR2S widened.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ___
> > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
> >
> >
>

KR>Wicks tire & rim

[Steve and Lori McGee]

The one they advertise as used on the KR.   The rims (Asuzu)  say to use no 
more than 20 pounds of pressure.  Is this enuf?  Anyone else using these?

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>Windshield - vacume forming.

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Below is a reply I sent to Dan Heath on a question of his.  In thinking this 
over I have determined that this is the best way that I have of giving of my 
experience to the group that has and will help me over the next few years with 
things I have no clue about.  I will make up a prototype in miniature of a 
female mold and  framework and do this, taking pictures for a web site.  Now 
true I have not gotten to this stage myself and have not made my own canopy 
yet.  ( Yes I am sticking my neck on the block here but wait)  This is the type 
of work I have been in for 17 years.  If I can not figure out a reasonable way 
to do it easily - I would like to say we are all doomed to buy them.  If all 
goes well, besides the web page I will bring the equipment to the next 
gathering in Mt. Vernon and do a demonstration if there is enough interest.

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 



- Original Message - 
From: Steve and Lori McGee 
To: KRBuilder 
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: windshield


Okay wait - I am a little confused in the writing.  So when you had the plastic 
on the mold and let it drape, there was no visual deformations. ( but if I 
remember right you had problems with cracking later?  I believe this is from 
the plastic being stressed at its earliest possible bending point and not truly 
bagging.)  
  But now you are heating the plastic on flat sheet of steel and picking it up 
hot?  This might be where the problem is or part of it.  You may be stretching 
the plastic in ununiformed ways when handling.  ( I can not believe this is 
what Todd is doing, this is his bread and butter, you think he is going to tell 
you exactly?) 
  Now what I intend to do is vacume form the plastic. This can be done with a 
male or female mold but is easier at home with a female, as you would not have 
to suspend the mold in the air some how, but can build it to sit on the ground. 
 For a look at the type of work I am in, go to this website and watch the steps 
to the forming at the lower right.  Very sophisticated and not exactly what I 
am going to try as it is using a plug and forming a female upwards.

http://thermoforms.com/forming.html

Notice what these are made out of.

http://thermoforms.com/gallery/mannequins.html

Okay - visualize a rectangle picture frame large enough to hold the plastic and 
fit around your mold. Heat the plastic so it bags naturally from its own 
weight.  If you want to use a MALE mold, you will bring the  mold into the 
plastic from the top, trying not to stretch it much. ( but you do not want the 
bag so big, that it is hard to conform to the mold)   The mold will have to 
have a frame built around it to match the picture frame, but about a 1/4 inch 
smaller all around. ( It should just touch the plastic and make a seal)  Also a 
vacume box is built at the base of the mold to hook up a simple shop vac.  ( 
not too powerful now)   ( I know this sounds like a lot but is not!)  You will 
need a small drill bit, 1/16 might work but 3/64  or even 1/32 would be better. 
 Now you drill lots of holes in your mold into the vacume box and that is how 
the plastic is formed into or against the tool with the shop vac. 

 Now hold on, what about the holes? will they suck plastic in and be visible?  
What if they are under the felt? Now we do not form clear parts where I work 
but I know that we heat up plastic and form to an aluminum mold and wood molds 
with no problems of the plastic going into the holes or even being visible in 
the part UNLESS the plastic is too hot and the vacume is too high!   So I may 
try this without even using felt, or by putting the vacume holes where it will 
not matter if it does leave marks.

Realistically this type of part should be done with a female mold.  It would be 
SO much easier.  In fact I should try and make one of these up in miniature, 
take pictures and let someone throw a web page together.  I plan on being down 
your way in May.  Maybe I can stop in.  
  Steve McGee
  Endeavor Wi. USA
  Building a KR2S widened.
  lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>Clarification - canopy forming

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Ok no problem. I meant nothing sarcastic or to annoy anyone.  Especially the
benefits of a bussiness such as Todd's giving us options other than a stock
KR canopy.Warm fuzzies all around for everyone!

But as a bonus in being able to form your own canopy:  Formed in LOGOS !
KR2SW in a lower driver corner.  EXPERIMENTAL along each side. Lower of
course than you would be looking thru.  Any 3 dimensional design you could
possibly want.  Formed in naca duct?How about forming in the cut marks
and ledges if it were to be for a gull wing.

Wooaa I bet the minds are racing now!

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net

KR>Logos formed in

[Steve and Lori McGee]

On second thought I suppose that would be extra drag if it was too much writing 
or whatever.  But cut lines could easily be done.

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>Lucite - plexiglass-lexan - CANOPY FORMING

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Ok fellow KR nuts.  This day goes down in my book as a confirmation in destiny 
and faith in the creator.  Bear with me as I tell you why and if you want to 
form clear acrylic.  I had notice at work today of a consultant coming in to 
help with a project at work.  Now I usually am not involved in these much but 
as my position of Quality Technician is almost over and my promotion to Process 
Technician ( as in Process Engineer without a degree),  starts off soon I was 
asked to attend.  So off I go and reading an introductory brochure to this 
"consultant" I find that this man is VERY experienced in all aspects of the 
thermoforming field, had his own AIRLINE for a number of years and is still an 
avid flyer!  He shows up wearing a tie with old biplanes and a boatplane pin! 
Hahhaha oh my god when we broke for a break I must have looked like a vulture 
on a week old deer carcass to get to him for a quick talk.  And in 5 minutes 
what did I learn?




Are you ready for this?

1 - The mold/tool must be warm as to not "chill the plastic"
2 - Felt is often used as it imparts warmth, but is not needed.
3 - A smooth surface is fine (no felt - but wood usually waxed) but a surface 
temp of a minimum of 150 degrees must be held 
 before the plastic hits it.
4 - A male tool can be formed as easily as a female (that helps make things 
easier) As acrylic does not bag like I am used to with 
 polyethylene.
5 - A trick of the trade - a quick burst of air over the surface (as if blowing 
off dust)  of the side that is to hit the mold.

6 - And last but not least - FORMING temperature of acrylic is  360  DEGREES 


Now you know why it has been cracking.

Tests will begin.

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>Acrylic source

[Steve and Lori McGee]

For those of you unfamiliar with mcmaster carr, here is their web site.  They 
are not the cheapest place but have almost anything and will sell to anyone and 
do the onesie twosie stuff.  Look under raw materials and then plastics.   
There are 2 created types of acrylic.  An extruded, which is more easily 
thermoformed, and a cast sheet - which is supposed to have superior optics but 
harder to form. 

http://www.mcmaster.com/


Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>TANKS IN OUTER WINGS

[Steve and Lori McGee]

So what do finished wings way?  40 pounds?  I just don't see how anyone
could be worried about the wafs holding up to lets say 100 pounds with a
full tank on one side while it holds up to 400 or even 500  at times from
the other direction  ( and this is half as the wing on the other side
carries half).  Some guys have said they have flown grossed out at 1200
pounds. ( ooohh wow GAMBLERS) without wing tanks those wafs were holding 500
to 550 pounds each???   So if you screw up and make a 2 G landing on full
tanks they have to support what?   I got to touch up on my algebra I guess.

Safe Flying to ya!
Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi.
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net

KR>Airfoil wingtip question

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Was wondering if anyone knew why we gave up 3" in length (surface area also) on 
the new airfoils at the out board ends.  I am referring to the 33" to the stock 
36" length. Stock vrs. AS5046  - 33"

Safe Flying to ya!
Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi.
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>Airfoil wingtip question

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Yes I am sure now I have to open my eyes more and pay attention to which
print I am looking at.  I have seperated and put the KR2 plans on the wall
on one side of the shop and the KR2S on the wall on the other side.  So now
hopefully I will make sure I look at both walls and compare!  Hahhahah.
Mark Jones answered another DUH question for me the other day.  So I will
look closer now and ask the DUH questions only after I have gone over all
the prints.

No pride here.




- Original Message -
From: "Mark Langford" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: KR>Airfoil wingtip question


> Steve McGee wrote:
>
> >> Was wondering if anyone knew why we gave up 3" in length (surface area
> also) on the new airfoils at the out board ends.  I am referring to the
33"
> to the stock 36" length. Stock vrs. AS5046  - 33"<<
>
> I guess you'll have to explain your problem in greater detail, because I
> don't understand it.  The RR KR2S plans show the template at the end of
the
> spars to be 33" long, just like the AS5046 drawing.  The KR2 had a 36"
long
> template at the end of it's spars, so I guess maybe you should ask whoever
> "designed" the KR2S why they stole your wing area.  But the wings were
also
> made 12" longer for the KR2S (by way of the hoaky foam spar extensions) so
I
> suspect no crime has actually been committed after all.  If you don't own
a
> set of KR2S plans (which include the KR2 plans), perhaps you should get
> some.  The details are shown clearly on the sheet labeled "Wing Details".
>
> I'm sort of surprised that nobody else bothered to answer this one all
day,
> as obvious as it is...
>
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
> N56ML "at"  hiwaay.net
> see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
>
>
>
> ___
> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>
>

KR>hoaky foam spar

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Ok that confirms what I was thinking.  I went ahead and made the spars
longer with wood, ( not assembled yet - no plywood cut).  But in the
"leftover" prints I got of DR Deans there were templates for the 48" 50" and
33"  -  two of the 48" were already cut out of birch ply. ( I was thinking
the 50" were an option.?)  And that the 33" were for the end.  I made my
spar pieces 3.5" longer as I was not going to have 8" of foam on the ends,
but about 5" with the lights mounting to the plywood spar.  But I take it
then I should not use the 33" on the end.  Guess I will have to do the
download and get them printed out somehow.  Thanks Mark as you must be a
mind reader.

Safe Flying to ya!
Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi.
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net




- Original Message -
From: "Mark Langford" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 10:28 PM
Subject: KR>hoaky foam spar


> It's been a few years since I brought this up, but the hoaky foam spar
> extensions that are added to the KR2 spars to make them KR2S spars just
> doesn't sit right with me.  I feel sure that was the result of somebody
> trying to use spar material (and wood kits) that were already called out
for
> the KR2, rather than structural or common sense integrity.  Not that
they're
> not structurally sound (there's not much load out there, but there are
> plenty of opportunities to screw it up), but just as a matter of keeping
> things straight.  It's hard to beat a nice spar for straightness.  It'd be
a
> shame to stick some junk on the end of it and give a joggle or a
> discontinuity.
>
> If I were building a new KR2S I'd just buy the spar material 12" longer
than
> the plans call for dump the 33" template, going with the next one in line,
> the 30.67" template at the new end of the spar, and dispense with the
> foam/glass kludge job.  In fact, the AS504X templates already have a
phantom
> spar and dimensions for the spar if it's extended to that point...
>
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
> N56ML "at"  hiwaay.net
> see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
>
>
>
> ___
> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>
>

KR>My website - getting to know us.

[Steve and Lori McGee]

I realized that I have not formerly introduced myself and family to you the KR 
group.  Here is our website, though there is currently nothing on the plane 
there yet.  I wll have to get to that.  Also it is a little dated by about 3 
years, the biggest change the age of the children and my baby (motorcycle) 
having been custom painted black with my lady on the side in blue airbrush.
Hope to make it to the gathering in Illinois this year as it is not far, even 
without a plane.

Steve, Lori, Autumn, Brooke and Forest.

http://www.geocities.com/magoosus/

KR>My website - getting to know us.

[Steve and Lori McGee]

That would be:

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net


- Original Message -
From: "Bob Stone" <rsto...@hot.rr.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: KR>My website - getting to know us.


> Steve & Lori McGee
>  Welcome to the KRNet, the most informative tool that exists for
> builders of KR series aircraft.  We would get to know you even faster and
> better if you would tell us what you are building and when you close out
> your messages tell us where you live in the world.  We have members like
600
> plus all over the world.
>
> Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
> rsto...@hot.rr.com
> Former builder KR-1 & KR-2
> (Now medicaly grounded)
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steve and Lori McGee" <lmc...@maqs.net>
> To: <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 9:46 AM
> Subject: KR>My website - getting to know us.
>
>
> I realized that I have not formerly introduced myself and family to you
the
> KR group.  Here is our website, though there is currently nothing on the
> plane there yet.  I wll have to get to that.  Also it is a little dated by
> about 3 years, the biggest change the age of the children and my baby
> (motorcycle) having been custom painted black with my lady on the side in
> blue airbrush.Hope to make it to the gathering in Illinois this year
as
> it is not far, even without a plane.
>
> Steve, Lori, Autumn, Brooke and Forest.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/magoosus/
> ___
> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>
>
>
> ___
> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>
>

KR>Outboard main spar center pieces question.

[Steve and Lori McGee]

  I noticed that the KR2 had plywood just 1 side, (accept at wafs) and 
alternating spacers full width of spar with 3/4" pieces. Also that the S plans 
add plywood to each side full length, but kept the alternating size spacers, 
leaving every  1 foot of plywood without extra support on the front side.  
Anyone else believe this was a screwup or is there a flexing design engineered 
in here?

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>Tail post

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Anyone familiar with Dr Dean and his project when he was working on it:  Can 
you tell me why he would have set the tail post at 10 degrees instead of the 7 
in the plans?  Anyone out there familiar with what this setting does or other 
plane designs that have a different angle?

Safe Flying to ya!
Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi.
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>name for Brian's

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Lttle Miss Glory

Safe Flying to ya!
Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi.
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>Dean hinges

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Can someone send me a pic and or describe the exact bolt, bearing, washer, 
whatever configuration in conecting the hinges?
Thanks in advance.

Safe Flying to ya!
Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi.
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>Corvair engines

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Are you west coast builders ever fortunate.  Lots of engine cores for sale on 
e-bay cheap!

Safe Flying to ya!
Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi.
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>The diehl gear.

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Can someone please give me the angle that the leg support is welded from the 
spar?  Specify whether it is from horizontal (the spar) or vertical please ( 
straight down).  Thank you.

Safe Flying to ya!
Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi.
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>Larry Flesner !!

[Steve and Lori McGee]

You here?  Contact me off line please - thank you.

Safe Flying to ya!
Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi.
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>G load - tank question.

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Does anyone know if the G-load ratings for the KR2s are what they are mainly 
because of the wing attach fittings?  Are these the "weakest point"?  

I ask because I was wondering if the fuel tanks in the outboard wings would be 
easier on the wafs than that extra load in the fusealge area.  As it is the 
wings holding up the fuselage.

Safe Flying to ya!
Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi.
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>Laminate information

[Steve and Lori McGee]

This may be old news to some, but I feel this is an excellent information site 
on carbon, s and e glass and resins.

http://www.netcomposites.com/education.asp?sequence=31

Safe Flying to ya!
Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi.
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>8" Rim

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Any one out there using the asuza 8" rim and 16" tire?  Not that I plan on 
grass landings regularly, but if I had to I was thinking this would be safer.  

The 5 x 11 stock KR tire - Would someone let me know how wide the tread is?  
The tire listings are different in wicks by maker, and was wondering for 
comparison to the 8".  

Thanks.

Safe Flying to ya!
Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi.
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>8" Azusa rim

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Ok - thanks

- Original Message -
From: "Tracy & Carol O'Brien" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:18 PM
Subject: KR>8" Azusa rim


> Netters:
>
> A question came up about using the 8" Azusa cast aluminum rims: These rims
> are used quite a bit on light replica warbirds, powered parachutes and
> trikes. The castings are very thin in the area of the spokes and I would
> not recommend using these wheels on heavy or high powered KR's.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tracy O'Brien
>
>
> ___
> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>
>

KR>Carb ?

[Steve and Lori McGee]

It seems to me that some of us may be trying to re-invent the wheel here.  
There has to be some good flying KRs out there with the corvair setup.  Those 
that are running superbly, why not post your setup design / carb style, 
location, etc.  Then those starting from scratch and new builders just mimick 
it.  Same for prop choice I for one am not going to try and go faster or 
farther with my own design when I know crap about this stuff.  I would LOVE to 
know what to set up so that I will cruise at the 180 people are talking about 
and just be happy as a fart in a movie theater. 

Safe Flying to ya!
Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi.
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>Wheels and stuff

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Weekends only or anytime?  Got any pics?
- Original Message -
From: "Timothy Bellville" <soner...@worldnet.att.net>
To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: KR>Wheels and stuff


> Hi Steve,
> Give me a call at home (419)693-8104 (after 2:00pm est.)
> And I'll go in to great detail on my conversion.
> Tim
> ----- Original Message -
> From: "Steve and Lori McGee" <lmc...@maqs.net>
> To: <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:26 PM
> Subject: KR>Wheels and stuff
>
>
> Hey there netters.  I am looking for a sample of a fixed gear for the KR2s
> that I can make my own with.  Also the rim, brake disc and mounting
bracket
> with axle.I have 3 relatives that are machinists and I intend in no
way
> to pay out a thousand dollars for what should be maybe a couple hundred
> bucks worth of stuff.  The same type goods on any other vehicle would be
> priced much much less.  So if you have a junk one laying around and are
> anticipating getting new stuff, maybe we can help each other out.  The one
> relative owns his own equipment and does jobs on the side, so maybe we
could
> get a group run going.  Any one???
>
> Safe Flying to ya!
> Steve McGee
> Endeavor Wi.
> Building a KR2S widened.
> lmc...@maqs.net
>
>
> ___
> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>
>
> ___
> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>
>

KR>Wheels and stuff

[Steve and Lori McGee]

Steve McGee
PO box 17
439 Doyan St.
Endeavor, Wi
   53930

608-697-5354 - My cell - That way I know I will get the message.  Kids you
know.

- Original Message -
From: "Timothy Bellville" <soner...@worldnet.att.net>
To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: KR>Wheels and stuff


> Anytime is fine Steve, But I have to work second shift till Thursday(2-10)
> I can snail mail you some pic's . but My lap to wont up load any from my
> camera.Asking Santa for a new Desktop
> Also give me your number in case I miss you and I'll call you back.
> Tim
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steve and Lori McGee" <lmc...@maqs.net>
> To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:09 PM
> Subject: Re: KR>Wheels and stuff
>
>
> > Weekends only or anytime?  Got any pics?
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Timothy Bellville" <soner...@worldnet.att.net>
> > To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
> > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 4:15 AM
> > Subject: Re: KR>Wheels and stuff
> >
> >
> > > Hi Steve,
> > > Give me a call at home (419)693-8104 (after 2:00pm est.)
> > > And I'll go in to great detail on my conversion.
> > > Tim
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Steve and Lori McGee" <lmc...@maqs.net>
> > > To: <kr...@mylist.net>
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:26 PM
> > > Subject: KR>Wheels and stuff
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey there netters.  I am looking for a sample of a fixed gear for the
> KR2s
> > > that I can make my own with.  Also the rim, brake disc and mounting
> > bracket
> > > with axle.I have 3 relatives that are machinists and I intend in
no
> > way
> > > to pay out a thousand dollars for what should be maybe a couple
hundred
> > > bucks worth of stuff.  The same type goods on any other vehicle would
be
> > > priced much much less.  So if you have a junk one laying around and
are
> > > anticipating getting new stuff, maybe we can help each other out.  The
> one
> > > relative owns his own equipment and does jobs on the side, so maybe we
> > could
> > > get a group run going.  Any one???
> > >
> > > Safe Flying to ya!
> > > Steve McGee
> > > Endeavor Wi.
> > > Building a KR2S widened.
> > > lmc...@maqs.net
> > >
> > >
> > > ___
> > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
> > >
> > >
> > > ___
> > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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