KR> KR2S plans

[skp...@charter.net]

Just put a check in the mail for the plans and the supplement for the "S".  
Start getting your shop in order. Your plans will arrive without a phone call. 
You will then need to send in the registration page and let the fun begin.

Also let us know who and where you are.  KR people get around a lot and might 
be able to stop by to see your progress and help with questions. I travel to 
south Mississippi quite often.

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama


 psh...@netscape.com wrote: 
> 
> I had started writing a check for the KR2S plans, and then read about the 
> delays.  So I thought I would try this first.  Anyone have a pristene set of 
> plans and or just started project for sale? Reply to psh...@netscape.com, oh 
> yeh I live in South Mississippi.
> IHS  PAT S
> 

KR> Site update - upcoming trip

[skp...@charter.net]

I enjoyed Bill's visit and would like to say.
Thanks for the nice comments.  Everyone needs to take advantage of visits by 
other KR experienced builders.  The visits help keep you on track.
I think I saw a 64 VW like I drove in High School in Bill's Pictures. I'm I 
getting old?

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama


 william Clapp  wrote: 
> Hey ya'll,   I would like you to check out my web site,  billclapp.com   and 
> a couple new and more complete items.   I finally finished more of my 
> biography and also added a new page - "Current Adventures".   Check out my 
> last trip.  I will soon be doing a similar trip out to Colorado, so if you 
> want to get in on it let me know!.
>
>
>   Bill Clapp
>
> 
>

KR> elevator weight

[skp...@charter.net]

Since we are on the subject I weighed my Elevator and Horizontal Stabilizer. 
(using bathroom scales, so take it for what could be close.) 

Horizontal Stabilizer... New airfoil with trim cable..primer...7 lbs 

Elevator...6.5 inches wider each side...with counter weights..primer..trim 
tab..9.5 lbs. 


Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama

KR> My Father's Plane

[skp...@charter.net]

At the top of page 78 in the May issue of SportAviation is a picture of my 
fathers plane a Mustang II.  Although the plane is heavier than the KR its gear 
configuration is about the same.  I have no tail wheel time but was able to 
shoot a couple landings.  I placed down the first time in a three point stance. 
(my father will not allow wheel landings) Stalls were quick. Climb out pegged 
the VSI. Steep turns were near 90 degrees. WHAT A HOOT.  I hope to get some 
more time in this plane while I complete my KR. By the way, it handles in the 
air just as responsive as the KR. 
Thanks dad for the inspiration to build mine.  Everyone get out and finish our 
planes.

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama

KR> Glue Joints not holding

[skp...@charter.net]

--I was just wondering. If Brian would tell us if the weight ratio measurement 
for mixture of T-88 is actually correct if compared to a measurement in volume 
measured 50% to 50%? I used a volume mixture for the entire project but have 
always wanted to do the comparison but don't have the scales. 

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama


 Brian Kraut  wrote: 
> Per the T-88 technical data sheet the ratio is equal parts by volume or 100
> parts resin (Part A) to 83 parts hardner (Part B) by weight.  I keep 100 and
> 83 written on my bottles with a Sharpie so I can find the ratio when I need
> it.  I always mix by weight.
> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html

KR> T-88 weight vs volume

[skp...@charter.net]

For those who weigh their T-88.  I would like to hear if someone has weighed 
the mixture correctly then compared to see if it is actually 50% to 50% by 
volume?  I built my entire project with the volume method and the results wont 
change anything I just would like to know.  I don't have scales.


Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama

KR> Fuselage width

[skp...@charter.net]

I just measured mine. Top is 43 inches wide.  When I bent the side I let the 
stresses pre form the bottom. With a little tweaking the bottom is 37 1/2".  I 
kept the firewall stock and feel the look still has a stream line look not the 
pregnant guppy look.

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama


 Dan Heath  wrote: 
> I have yet to see a completed KR with vertical sides, so you are still in
> the first stages of "experimental" there.  So, do you want to experiment, or
> build a KR?.  Mine was not widened, but if I were to do it, I would add the
> same amount of width to the bottom, as I was adding to the top, just to keep
> from adding any more stress factors. 
> 
> ---Original Message---
>  
> Is the general consensus to leave the
> bottom of the fuselage the stock width and bend out the top longerons, or to
> bend both top and bottom out to the 40" and thus have perfectly vertical
> sides?
>see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html

KR> Re: canopy bulkhead shape

[skp...@charter.net]

Thanks Dan, 
Does anybody think I will be able to sort of square off the KR canopy I have by 
pushing down on the top at the bulkhead by 1.25 inches and not break the thing? 
Yep I am short. but my passengers might not be.  My seats are adjustable in 
height but will take a few minutes to do. 

Steven Phillabaum 
KR2S; 5048; corvair; 
Auburn, Alabama 


 Dan Heath wrote: 
> The turtle deck is easy to form, and more square is definitely better than 
> the "rounded" KR shape.  If you were building the KR2 as a 1 place, then 
> rounded is fine, but the rounded turtle deck and canopy, will not 
> accommodate your head and headset without your bending your neck toward the 
> center, unless you are very short. 
> 
> ---Original Message--- 
>  Steve Phillabaum wrote 
> I am trying to configure my canopy bulkhead shape.   Because of the more 
> rounded KR shape. 
> I was wondering if when I cut down the canopy will the back be easier to 
> shape (push down at the top) without breaking? 
> What are some of your measurements from the firewall to the front of the 
> bubble? 
> I have built my forward deck but not the turtle deck. 
> I wanted to make everything flow nicely. 
> 


Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama

KR> Termite

[skp...@charter.net]

I tried to send this this morn but having problems.
Termites need moisture to survive. Keep your project dry and off the ground you 
should not get termites.  Termites do swarm when the colony gets overcrowded. 
Termites can not survive in the light so they build tunnels to the food source 
in which the move back and forth.  Look for mud looking tunnels. 
This post makes me think of the time I was looking at a sanded gusset joint 
with magnifying glass to see what the effects of sanding and blowing out with 
air does.  To my suprise I saw a type of wood mite.  They were in the box of 
spruce.  I looked a little later and could not find any. 

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama


> >
> > Lucky it was not an RV and get metal mites, they cause rust.
> >
> >
> > Phil Matheson

KR> Termite

[skp...@charter.net]

Ok YAL... I live is the moist area of Alabama and have way too much experience 
with termites.  A couple of things need to be said.
Termites swarm when the nest gets overcrowded and food source is not enough to 
support them.
Termites must and the important part of this post is must have water to 
survive.  This is why they are subterranean.  If they are getting into your 
work table is your work table sitting on the raw ground?  If the termites do 
not have a path to the wood where there is no sun then they must build a tunnel 
to the wood.  You will not have a termite problem in your project if it is dry 
and no dirt tunnels are built to it.  Sun light can terminate the species. When 
 termites are eating a house for example they come from the ground to  eat and 
then get back to the ground they usually don't stay in the house just travel 
back and forth.

Keep your project dry.  
Also there is an ant with wings that looks a lot like a termite and only an 
entomologist can tell.

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama


 Nick Brennan  wrote: 
> So today, I'm buzzing along, actually making a lot of headway (finished 
> skinning one side of the fuse, now waiting for the glue to dry on the scarf 
> joint on the other side) and I look at my work table and see a termine. 
> Just one, little winged termite.
> 
> Does this mean there are more that I'm not seeing, or is it possible to have 
> one single termite?
> 
> Also - am I ruined now?
> 
> Nick Brennan
> nickdbren...@comcast.net
> 
> 
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KR> canopy bulkhead shape

[skp...@charter.net]

I am trying to configure my canopy bulkhead shape.  I made a cardboard template 
that is 17.5 inches high from the shelf behind the seats. Trying to keep it to 
where Mark L will fit.  When I laid the uncut Todd's canopy (a KR canopy) on 
top I  cut the bulkhead more to a square shape like for a dragonfly. The sides 
fit fine but the top of the canopy is 1.25 inches above the buklhead.  Because 
of the more rounded KR shape.
I was wondering if when I cut down the canopy will the back be easier to shape 
(push down at the top) without breaking?
Second question. What are some of your measurements from the firewall to the 
front of the bubble?
I have built my forward deck but not the turtle deck. I wanted to make 
everything flow nicely.

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama

KR> Firewall attaching

[skp...@charter.net]

I have searched the archive but did not find what I was looking for so here it 
goes.

What is the best way (Or the way you did it) to hold the 1/4" plywood firewall 
in place firmly against the fuselage while to glue sets up? 

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama

KR> New kr's / Time of build

[skp...@charter.net]

Steve
Although I am only ready to build the forward deck I to have wondered how long 
it takes.  I have kept a log in and out time record of construction.  In about 
a year I will compile the time into a graph showing areas of long duration.  
I do know that the controls just in the fuselage has given me a long task time 
frame compared to others completed.  

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama


 steve winter  wrote: 
> Hey guys would like to hear how many years you have worked on your projects 
> and the number of hours you have involved in them. What was your biggest 
> challenges in the building?? Steve
> 
>

KR> Now Class B

[skp...@charter.net]

Be Careful, Look at you sectional.  My Atlanta sectional shows a magenta circle 
30 NM around Atlanta's class B indicating the Mode C requirement. From ground 
up. Without a mode C transponder I wouldn't enter.

As far as fly over well.  Better be above 10,000. and read FAR 91.215 Just to 
be sure. 

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama


 "Joseph H. Horton"  wrote: 
> I skirted the
> class B but was still well within the mode C ring with out it operating.
> . I continued to monitor the approach radio and was well aware of the
> corridor being used. I just want to find out if I'm in trouble before
> someone tells me that with handcuffs.
> Joe > writes:

> > Joe, to add a little you are only required to have a transponder 
> > above 10K.  
> > As Randy stated, YES you can fly above Class B with a transponder or 
> > radio 
> > communication as long as it is below the 10K altitude (that would be 
> > a 
> > really tall Class B).

KR> Turnbuckle order status

[skp...@charter.net]

Just to inform those considering ordering your turnbuckles.  I  ordered my 
turnbuckles on June 15 from Aircraft spruce in Georgia.  They will not be able 
to send them until October. (cable ends are backordered with a 200 person 
waiting list.)  I had to change the order to the Corona store to get them this 
month.  
S. If you order turnbuckles from Aircraft Spruce make sure to call the 
Corona Store.  

P.S. I am not flaming ACS. I order just about everything from them. So don't 
reply that I need to go to Wicks.  

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama

KR> Brake Line Question

[skp...@charter.net]

I am needing some advice.  I am using Matco masters without the built in 
reservoir.  I need to know what fitting may fit to connect flex line to it and 
then to the metal line I have run to the wheels.  
in other words:

1. What type of fitting at the master?
2. What type of plastic (Flexible) line to run a short distance?
3. What type of connection to connect plastic line to the metal line running to 
wheels?

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama

KR> Turnbuckle order status

[skp...@charter.net]

--I also thought that.  But, after on the phone with 3 people at ACS. I learned 
that when I now order I ask about availability, and if not available then What 
about the other store?  Apparently they don't just automatically decide which 
store it comes from.

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama


 Mark Jones  wrote: 
> That's strange, every time I ordered from them they automatically shipped 
> from whichever location had the merchandise and only charged me shipping 
> from one location.
> 
Original message,
> > Just to inform those considering ordering your turnbuckles.  I  ordered my 
> > turnbuckles on June 15 from Aircraft spruce in Georgia.  They will not be 
> > able to send them until October. (cable ends are backordered with a 200 
> > person waiting list.)  I had to change the order to the Corona store to 
> > get them this month.
> > S. If you order turnbuckles from Aircraft Spruce make sure to call the 
> > Corona Store.
> >
> > P.S. I am not flaming ACS. I order just about everything from them. So 
> > don't reply that I need to go to Wicks.
> >
Steven

KR> Rand Robinson details

[skp...@charter.net]

Just send a check, Money Order, Whetever to Rand Robinson and wait for the 
plans.

Just Do It.

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama


 Jaco Swanepoel  wrote: 
> Hi Guys,
>   There is a guy in Pretoria that is very interrested in buying a complete 
> set of drawings and construction manual for the KR2S. He sent 3 faxes over 
> the last 3 weeks and also tried to phone, but there is no reply. I explained 
> the situation to him and he accepted it, but he still needs a proforma 
> invoice with payment terms and the banking details. Are there any suggestions?
>   Regards,
>   Jaco Swanepoel
>   Pretoria
>   South Africa
>   KR2S, ZU-DVP
> 
>   
> -
> Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com.  Check it out. 
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KR> turnbuckles

[skp...@charter.net]

David Swanson wrote:
>  
>I was wondering what size turnbuckles people were using in their
> planes? I was looking through A
>  

It has been almost two months since I ordered my turnbuckles from Aircraft 
spruce.  (sorry don't remember the size right now). But, if you order you 
better make sure they will ship soon.  I am going in PERSON to Aircraft Spruce 
this week and demand them. (really I have to pick up some plywood for the belly 
board and seat back.). I only live about 1.5 hours from the place. Just thought 
I would warn you before you ordered.  

KR> Anti junk/disabled anything laws

[skp...@charter.net]

YES,. now can we please keep this quiet so the law makers in my town wont catch 
on.  Maybe everyone needs to write the Jacksonville mayor.  If they come up 
with this law in my town I will have to build a private room under my house 
just like the hidden "SPEAK EASY'S" during prohibition.


Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama


 Mark Langford  wrote: 
> I don't think I made myself clear enough in my last post.  They are talking 
> about not doing any maintenance or building an aircraft EVEN INSIDE AN 
> ENCLOSED BUILDING, LIKE INSIDE YOUR GARAGE!  That doesn't bother anybody? 
>That doesn't bother 
> you guys?
>

KR> Frasca and beyond....

[skp...@charter.net]

What Bill didn't say was.  When he left out of Auburn he started his roll out 
after a 172 departed. The 172 was at about 500 feet above the field when Bill 
left the ground. Bill made two Aw some High speed GO A ROUNDS before the 172 
was mid field down wind.  GOT to get my plane finished.  Yal get out and build. 
 Bill thanks for the comment and inspiration to keep going.

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama

. 

KR> Fuselage

[skp...@charter.net]

Hello John, and net.

I don't know if anyone came out with a straight answer but this is what I did. 
and. Should have done.  I left my fuselage on the table upside down with a 
temporary brace just past where the doublers would stop.  I also installed a 
temp brace where the widest point would be.  I then skinned the bottom and 
turned the fuselage before the glue had lots of time to set up. That way the 
glue would form a fillet at the bottom cross members.  I had to remove the temp 
brace at the widest point before installing the top crossmembers and the 
fuselage reshaped itself. This actually went to a shape I could live with.  
Then I had to install a temp brace on the vertical members just below the 
longerons in order to keep the shape I needed while I installed the doublers.  
If I do it again I will install the temporary braces in that same location 
(Fuselage upside down on the table. ) with the braces just off the table by 
about 1.25 inches.  That way I wouldn't have to remove them until the entire 
top crossmembers were complete.

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama


 "jg7...@mindspring.com"  wrote: 
> HI Guys,
>  Just wanted to ask a quick question. I am about to install the bottom skin 
> on my fuselage, but before I do i would like to know what you all did to hold 
> the shape of the fuselage top untill you can install the doubler? Since I 
> can't install the rest of the bracing untill the doublers are in place I was 
> afraid that the fuselage would loose its shape before it was glued up. PLease 
> let me know what you did.
> 
> John Godwin
> jg7...@mindspring.com
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KR> attitude/altitude change in turns

[skp...@charter.net]

I was thinking that the offset in the vertical stabilizer might account for 
that climb and descend in a left or right turn. Vertical stab acting like an 
elevator.  I guess I will search the archives for the data since I am about to 
set my vertical stab.  I am waiting for the very last chance to do so due to 
the tight working conditions in my garage.

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama


 Mark Langford  wrote: 

> Mine dives a little 
> in left turns, climbs in right turns (or I may have that backwards), for 
> whatever that's worth.

KR> Ground Clearance

[skp...@charter.net]

Thanks for the input.  8" From bottom of spar to ground sounds like a medium 
number.  
Once I set it I will be able to adjust my tail wheel.  What degrees would be 
good for the stance at tail wheel down?  

Some one once told me that there is info on that but I didn't see it in the 
books I have.

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama

KR> Ground Clearance

[skp...@charter.net]

--Sorry
Yes that would be 8" for prop clearance.
Must have been suffering shop heat syndrome when I wrote it.
thanks again for the info. As I see it I should be able to attach a 54"  1" x 
1" board centered along the longeron at the firewall to do my calculations.  I 
can't wait to start putting in some foam and have her start looking like an 
airplane.

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama


 bo...@hatconversions.com wrote: 
> Steven,
> The 8 inches is from the tip of the prop to the ground when the
> airplane is level. Bobby
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Thanks for the input.  8" From bottom of spar to ground sounds like a
> > medium number.
>> > Steven Phillabaum
> > KR2S; 5048; corvair;
> > Auburn, Alabama
> >
> 
>

KR> stainless steel bolts/AN

[skp...@charter.net]

OK that is not what I wanted to hear this close to finalizing my hardware 
installs.  Maybe the $150.00 dollars in ss bolts can be used somewhere else.  
Aircraft spruce has got to love me.  At least I haven't put epoxy in the bolt 
holes yet as a sealer.

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama


Mark Langford wrote: 
> OK, let me clarify that...
> 
> "There's typically a pretty big difference in the
>  properties of stainless and something like an AN3 bolt."  There are plenty 
> of examples of stainless AN and MS bolts, but just because it says AN or MS 
> on it, that  doesn't necessarily mean it'll hold your wings on...
> 
> 

KR> Ground Clearance again

[skp...@charter.net]

Hello all.

Searching the archives did not result in an answer so here it is.

I built my fiberglass gear legs which included the caster and camber thus no 
metal brackets for the axles.  This allowed me to mount my axle lower and 
streamline the leg with the wheel.  I made mine longer so I could shorten to a 
desired length.  The time has come to start installing foam in my stub wings so 
I need to know.
What would be the best clearance from the bottom of the spar to the ground for 
a tail dragger?  also What is the measurement from the bottom of the tail post 
to the ground?  I want to get the airplane up a little but not too much.

Currently I have 24" from bottom of spar to ground and about 9" from tail post 
to ground.  I need to cut down but how much.  Only get one chance.  I don't 
want to build a third set of legs.  I will most likely use a 54 x 54 prop.

Please I don't need to know how long a gear leg is.  Just the clearance needed.


Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama

KR> For sale

[skp...@charter.net]

Please send me a picture I may have a purchaser for it.  

Brian I don't think your wife will let you this time.  So I don't have to worry 
about you getting it.

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama


 Hartman Malcolm L CMSgt 926 MXG/MXS  
wrote: 
> Completed KR-2S fuselage. The Diehl conventional landing gear, Matco wheels
> and brakes, RR rudder pedals, RR top deck kit, homemade tail wheel, homemade
> control stick and all filght controls are all still installed and I have the
> RR fibreglass cowl and wheel pants. I lost my outboard wing panels in
> Katrina and I'm not rebuilding. I'll sell for cheap, $1500.
> 
> Malcolm Hartman
> Belle Chasse, LA (New Orleans area)
> 504.393.9133
> malcolm.hart...@neworleans.af.mil
> mp...@cmaaccess.com
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KR> pulley brackets.....

[skp...@charter.net]

David and others.

I wrote that list as a take off of the plans built KR.  Some items are not 
needed if you make changes.  Since then I have completed my boat using Mark L's 
method of build it more than once.  The list is a good start. I also have a 
list for steel and one for bolts and misc items.  Helpful as a start.  

Use what is available for your purpose.

Also.  I have a set of pulley brackets used at the far end of the main spar I 
don't need (the first ones I made) quality is good. I  ended up using brackets 
with a mounting flange longer than 1" (raising my pulley higher up on the spar 
by turning upside down).  If you or someone wants them just let me know and I 
will pull them out of the trash box and send them to you.  


Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama



> > Hi,
> >
> >I am trying to get that aluminum stock for my pulley brackets and
> > went
> > off http://www.krnet.org/misc/kr_aluminum.html this list and Wicks no
> > longer
> > carries 6061 T6511 aluminum. does anyone know where I can find this
> > aluminum or something else I can replace it with?
> >
> > David Swanson
> > bdazzca...@aol.com

KR> Table problems

[skp...@charter.net]

I had used 2 x 4 s for the cross members of the table.  Mark Langford stated in 
 199? on his web site to use 2 x6 s for the table and put a good edge on one  
side for a flush fit with the table top.  I ended up chasing dips in my table 
the entire time I used it.  Although I put mine together with 2 1/2" inch 
screws and could remove frame pieces to adjust.

Just get the table as flat as you can. I hope that answers that.

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama


 VIRGIL N SALISBURY  wrote: 
> Clamp the beam to bring the table up to it, Virg
> 
> On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 02:25:09 + "troy Mcgrew" 
> writes:
> >I have built one of my workbenches (4x8) I am going to build the 
> > other one 
> > on tuesday.  To keep the top longeron straight, I have a steel beem 
> > that's 
> > an inch square.  when I put the beem on the table, I noticed that I 
> > have a 
> > dip in the middle of the table.   My question is this:  When each side is 
> > done, is 
> > it so 
> > rigid that a dip will cause a problem, or will I be able to bend it 
> > to shape 
> > when putting the sides together?
> 
> > Thanks;
> > 
> > Troy McGrew
> > St. Louis, Mo.
> > 
> > 
> > 
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KR> Table problems

[skp...@charter.net]

The table for construction of the side needs to be flat.  The importance of 
level comes in when you are putting in the cross members for the bottom.  But 
for sure try to get the 1/64" variance.  
Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama


 Mark Jones  wrote: 
> You have got to get that table level within 1/64" variance all the way in
> every direction or your KR will never fly straight and level. :-) Building a
> KR is not rocket science. It is just that some folks try and make it that
> way.
> 
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI  USA
> E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
> Visit my NEW
> KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at www.flykr2s.com
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "troy Mcgrew" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:20 PM
> Subject: Re: KR> Table problems
> 
> 
> > "Just get the table as flat as you can. I hope that answers that"
> >
> > That works, thanks.
> >
> >
> >
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KR> Cockpit noise or lack of

[skp...@charter.net]

When I was in Mark L. plane I didn't even notice that it might have been loud.  
When we got out Mark stated that I didn't have the ANR turned on.  On another 
note of noise. My dads Mustang II is just like all the others. The real noise 
starts when the tail wheel comes down and you get that dragging a box sound.  

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama


 Kenneth Wiltrout  wrote: 
> My 2S is about as loud as a 172 W/0 the headsetsI think??

>> >
> > Jim wrote:
> >
> >> This may not transfer to wood aircraft however I bought sound deadening 
> >> material from a company called E.A.R  it was a sticky foam with an 
> >> aluminum back it stuck on like tape .I did this on my Cessna 182 and got 
> >> more than one comment on how Quiet my airplane was . worked good in 
> >> my Cessna.

KR> Clamps for gussets and gusset idea

[skp...@charter.net]

Chris, clamps for holding gussets really are not needed.  Most will stay in 
place on their own.  The ones that want to slide to the floor you can hold in 
place with a piece of coat hanger wire bent into a "C".  As for attaching your 
gussets to the cross members first. As Ron stated it would work on the pieces 
that are 90 degrees to the cross members.  But all the others will have to be 
curved to match the curve of the longerons.  (That would be most of them). 
Since this curve is more parabolic in shape it would be hard to do.  But then I 
did things while building my plane that others said would be to hard and I made 
them work.  If you do this let us know how it goes.


Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama


 Ron Smith wrote: 
> 
> 
> Chris Johnston  wrote:   
>  I thought why not glue the gussets onto the cross members first, then 
> when dry you only have one face to square up to fit the inside of the 
> longeron instead of two gussets and a cross member. > 
> 
Ron wrote.
>   May not be a bad idea for the gussets on the verticles where they attach to 
> the top longeron.

KR> Sun N Fun head count

[skp...@charter.net]

I will be leaving Auburn Alabama at 5:30 a.m. Thursday, and staying till Sunday 
morning.  Some have asked for a ride.  But I can fit some more. I will be tent 
camping at the Corn Roast area. Hopefully on the fence of the runways.  If you 
want a ride get out a map and see if you are on my path.  Hwy 280 to Tiffton 
Georgia then 75 South.


Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama


 Brian Kraut  wrote: 
> I will be there with both the Midget Mustang and the Piper Clipper.  I will
> be camping in the antique section again just inside the tree line.
> 
> Don't forget the KR dinner on the Friday of the show and the nightly
> barbecue at my camp site.  Will post more details as soon as I get a chance
> to make some maps.
> 
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
> Behalf Of jeffyor...@qx.net
> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 4:06 PM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: KR> Sun N Fun head count
> 
> 
> Just wanted to start some dialog on who is going to Sun N Fun next month. I
> hope to fly down but if I do I was hoping to bunk up or camp with someone.
> I could probably find a way to squeeze my small tent on to the KR but would
> still like to find out who will be there and try and get into a KR parking
> area.
> 
> Fly down, or drive down it would be great to catch up with the KR group.
> 
> Anyone out there planning to attend? Flying or driving?
> 
> Jeff York
> Lexington, Kentucky
> KR-2 Flying
> N839BG
> Home page  http://web.qx.net/jeffyork40/
> My KR-2   http://web.qx.net/jeffyork40/Airplane/   to see my KR-2
> Email jeffyor...@qx.net
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Langford" 
> To: "KRnet" 
> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 11:24 PM
> Subject: Re: KR> Sport Aviation Association Fly-In dates set
> 
> 
> > Ed Janssen wrote:
> >
> > > Mark Langford attended a couple years ago and reportedly had a good
> time.
> >
> > Count me in!
> >
> > Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
> > see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com
> > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
> >
> >
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KR> spruce to start the fuselage

[skp...@charter.net]

If you are building a KR2S you might want to change four of the 12' lengths to 
14'.

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama


 troy Mcgrew  wrote: 
> I am eager to start building the sides of the fuselage and called wicks to 
> see what spruce I would need out of the spruce kit and they didn't know.
> 
> 
> This is the first on the list, would this do it for the sides?
> 
> KR200-017 5/8X5/8X12' SPRUCE 6 EA
> KR200-019 5/8X5/8X120'RAN SPRUCE 1 EA
> 
> 
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KR> KR ride today

[skp...@charter.net]

Hello neters,

I got my first ride in a KR today.  Mark Langford came down so I could get some 
measurements.  We were able to go up even though the winds were something like 
14 gusting to 23. (Not down the center of the runway).  I must say the plane 
handles great I could not believe the ball stayed centered at turns and such.  
I do know I have to hurry up and finish my plane.  I will have to figure a way 
to build mine so as a resale could be possible.  I couldn't reach the pedals. 
Maybe some blocks on the pedals will do it.  Mark greased it  in on only one 
attempt and the questions came. (What kind of plane is that?)  YEEHAA.

Thanks Mark, and for everyone else Keep building and flying.

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama

KR> Construction manual?

[skp...@charter.net]

While I was studying the possibility to build a KR and then after I decided to 
build and before I started I reviewed almost every possible builders site and 
KR gathering or sun-n-fun. I could get.  In doing this I found things about 
different planes that I liked. I would print out just that section of the site 
and put it in a builders study.  (Book is very thick). This came in handy while 
in the shop.  I could just open the book and look at what they did so go from 
there.  It really worked for me.

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama


 "Cris." wrote: 
> I wrote my message after having seen his site, his site is the main reason
> for my desire! It's the best I've seen myself.
> Having it off a PC, in a "book" form would be great.
see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html

KR> Carroll Seibert e-mail address (only)

[skp...@charter.net]

Sorry to all the KRneters.  I need to get this out to Carroll only.

Carroll,  I did receive the drill jig. and will return it within a few weeks.  
I don't have your e-mail address.  Could you please reply to me so I can save 
it.  
Again thanks.


Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama

KR> FUEL FLOW GAUGE

[skp...@charter.net]

--
Larry Wrote:
" Here is a boat fuel flow guage that someone pointed out on another talk group 
that some of you may want to try."

Larry, Sweeet.  
Do you know of any positive input from other aviators that have used it?.  Let 
us know what they think.  I am getting close to laying out my panel. Looking 
for info like this.

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama

KR> Wing Attach. Drill Jig

[skp...@charter.net]

Does anyone have a wing attachment fitting drill guide fixture that they would 
be willing to loan out?  I would gladly pay shipping both ways. I have 
exhausted my search here for someone to make one.  HELP.
If you want to talk my cel is 334-319-2845 or e-mail me off the list.
--
Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama

KR> Wing Attach. Drill Jig

[skp...@charter.net]

Thanks for all the advise and help.  Thanks to the KRnet I have one on its way 
for my use for which I will return to its owner.  Wish I would have asked 
sooner.


Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama


 skp...@charter.net wrote: 
> Does anyone have a wing attachment fitting drill guide fixture that they 
> would be willing to loan out?  I would gladly pay shipping both ways. I have 
> exhausted my search here for someone to make one.  HELP.
> If you want to talk my cel is 334-319-2845 or e-mail me off the list.
> --
> Steven Phillabaum
> KR2S; 5048; corvair;
> Auburn, Alabama
> 
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KR> Landing gear bracket. Flox to spar?

[skp...@charter.net]

Thanks for info. So floxing in would give the even pressure spread along the 
entire bracket at the sparcaps. Also, giving it that fixodent hold so as to 
reduce movement.  Great. now back into the garage. I am going to use T88 and 
forge on.

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama

KR> ply spar gusset

[skp...@charter.net]

If I understand the part you are referencing is the triangular ply gussets 
which goes on the inside of the fuselage and in front of and behind the main 
spar.  If this is the case then you need to build the fuselage complete with 
spruce gussets,ply skin and then you install the spars.  After the spars are 
set in place and glued in you then add the ply gussets to the inside. 


Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama


 Chris Johnston  wrote: 
> The ply spar reinforcent gussets on the inside of the fuselage, it looks from 
> the plans as if the cross member goes in, the ply gusset is fitted and then 
> any spruce gussets for the cross member are added last, but some photos on 
> the krnet seem to show the cross member, then the spruce gusset for the cross 
> member and then the ply fitted last and cut to fit around the spruce gussets, 
> its too hard to tell from the photos which is which, can anyone clarify 
> please?  
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KR> Spars

[skp...@charter.net]

--Scarfing is not a big problem and only takes a mater of minutes to 
accomplish.  I have built my entire airframe scarfing the ply by hand.  I did 
not use the disc on a drill method in the assembly manual. I used 1 x 2 pine 
cut about 18" long and using spray mount adhesive I affixed 80 then 100 then 
150 grain sandpaper to each of the 1 x 2.  Start with the 80 then end with the 
150.  (I found out later it should have been 220 but the 150 had worn down to 
about 220 when I was done.) Using long even pressure and the ply resting even 
on the edge of the worktable. I was able to get a scarf around 10 times wider 
then the thickness.  To reassure I was staying straight I drew parallel lines 
1/8" apart for about 1 1/2". The hardest part is having the second piece match 
the first one.  To get this you should work on an entire 4' section of ply 
watch the laminates very very close and keep them even.  when you rip out  each 
web member you need  one will match the other.  Problem solved and work 
continued. Good luck

Steven Phillabaum
KR2S; 5048; corvair;
Auburn, Alabama


 Donald Reid  wrote: 
> At 07:23 AM 1/14/2006, you wrote:
> >With the glues that we have today, like T-88, is scarfing really necessary?
> >Would not just gluing on a cross member do just as well? I know that the
> >woodworking purists will scoff at this, but T-88 won't come apart. If you
> >were concerned about the contact area, you could put in a little wider cross
> >member. I, personally, do not think that scarfing is any fun and find it
> >most difficult to get a straight line.
> 
> Standard aircraft construction practices came about because they work 
> and other methods don't work as well.  There are alternatives to 
> scarfing that can be used on lightly-loaded, non-critical parts but 
> they should not be used in a high-stress critical application.  My 
> opinion is that if you don't want to do it right then you should 
> consider taking up some other hobby.
> 
> 
> 
> Don Reid  -  donreid "at" peoplepc.com
> Bumpass, Va
> 
> Visit my web sites at:
> 
>other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html

KR> lack of power and over sensitivity

[skp...@charter.net]

I'm sorry but I have to chime in

Order my plans in April of 2003 and got them May 7, 2003.  Called Jeannette and 
left a message asking about a supplement for the landing gear.  Jeannette 
called me back said she would send it out as soon as she could. And I got it 
within a few days. FREE.  As those whom were at the sun n fun dinner got to 
attest to.  A phone call was made and to Jeannette's surprise we all got to 
talk to her.  
Although I have not ordered Kit parts from RR. I have had excellent response.  
TRY again. LEAVE a message. 
Building spars. Can't wait to haul ass for less.

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn Alabama
Spars 
> 
> From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY 
> Date: 2004/07/27 Tue PM 07:58:54 GMT
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: Re: KR> lack of power and over sensitivity
> 
> GO BUILD something else, Virg
> 
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:38:49 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) "Robert L.
> Stone"  writes:
> > Jeanette Rand is neglecting her business and everyone on the net seem 
> > to
> > know this except you. I have seen many post's complaining about her 
> > not
> > responding to requests for information/help. She even ignores people 
> > who are
> > trying to order plans or kits. 
> > 
> > I have also seen many statements from people who have built and are 
> > flying
> > concerning the sensitivity of the KR-2 because of the large ailerons 
> > and
> > short fuselage. If all of these things are not true, then explain 
> > why there
> > are so many complaints. Because of her obvious lack of interest in 
> > her
> > customers and those who ares trying to be customers, some of our 
> > members are
> > trying to buy the company but they tell me that she wants way too 
> > much money
> > for it. Now go ahead and flame all you want to but the truth is the 
> > truth.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
> > 
> > rsto...@hot.rr.com
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > ---Original Message---
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > From: KRnet
> > 
> > Date: 07/27/04 13:45:01
> > 
> > To: KRnet
> > 
> > Subject: Re: KR> lack of power and over sensitivity
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > All,
> > 
> > After 200 hours with my 2100 Revmaster I need to do the valves. The 
> > local
> > 
> > rebuilder says to use Auto high test as the compression is low, the 
> > lead in
> > 
> > the avgas is putting deposites on the valve stems as well as the 
> > oil. He is
> > 
> > checking the springs and will put on some O rings to limit oil down 
> > the
> > 
> > stems. You guys running the Revmaster with a Revflow carb, how are 
> > you
> > 
> > mounting it? I have mine the way the engine manual shows.
> > 
> > Th
> > 
> > e fuel enters
> > 
> > on the left side I put a stainless (from firewall material) 
> > deflector aft
> > 
> > of the carb throat. This brings the right cyls down in temp.If 
> > anybody is
> > 
> > using this deflector change it every annual or 100 hours.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > n Heath" 
> > 
> > To: 
> > 
> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 3:31 PM
> > 
> > Subject: KR> lack of power and over sensitivity
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > > RE: One glaring deficiency with the KR series aircraft has been 
> > lack of
> > 
> > > power and over sensitivity of controls and since Jeanette seems as 
> > though
> > 
> > > she is not interested in addressing these problems
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > > If you build a REAL KR2 or KR2S, this is an absolute false 
> > statement.
> > 
> > While
> > 
> > > I don't think that Jeanette takes care of business, she is not in 
> > the
> > 
> > > business of re-designing the KR, beyond what has already been 
> > done. There
> > 
> > > are issues with the KR, but they are not what was cited in that 
> > statement.
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > > We constantly read stuff like this on the net, and persons new to 
> > the KR,
> > 
> > > may believe some of this. I am always reading about how over 
> > sensitive the
> > 
> > > KR is, from people who have never flown one. And then, when a new 
> > KR is
> > 
> > born
> > 
> > > all I can read about is how great it flys and what fun it is.
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > > That does not read like a plane that is under powered and over 
> > sensitive.
> > 
> > > Build it, fly it, and then tell us about it.
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > > "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time 
> > for
> > 
> > > building has long since expired."
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > > ___
> > 
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> > 
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> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 

KR> yet another AS debacle...

[skp...@charter.net]

I ordered my spruce from Wick's and they have called me twice to tell me how 
the milling is going and then they sent me an email with ups tracking info.  
Talk about customer service.  Now. for my ply. Wick's crating and Freight 
charges will be over $120.00.  So. I will be driving to A,S, to pick up the ply 
in person. I can leave in the morning and be back for lunch.  HOPE they really 
have the ply in stock.  Only difference is the 1/4" birch is 5 ply not the 7 
ply that Wick's sells.

> 
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KR> 66 Days to bliss!!!

[skp...@charter.net]

I can't wait.
I just watched (again) the tape from the 1998 Red Oak gathering. (Art I'll 
return it soon, really.) I hope I can make it.  
Going to be a grandpa any day now...I'll try not to bring any pictures.  Well 
only of the plane construction.

P.S. If you have a tape of any past gatherings, go and get it and watch it you 
will be inspired to get to work.

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, Alabama
KR2S
> 
> From: Mark Jones 
> Date: 2004/07/19 Mon PM 05:57:44 GMT
> To: KR Net  
> Subject: KR> 66 Days to bliss!!!
> 
> The Gathering.THE PLACE TO BE :-)
>  
> Mark Jones
>  
>  
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KR> Stall warnings

[skp...@charter.net]

You can stall a plane in a dive. I also am interested in hearing some more on 
stall warnings that are Low Cost

Mr. Cheap
Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, Alabama
2 mile final for 36
> 
> From: "Dan Heath" 
> Date: 2004/07/04 Sun AM 02:18:21 GMT
> To: "kr...@mylist.net" 
> Subject: Re: KR> Stall warnings
> 
> RE: A given airplane always stalls at the same angle of attack, not speed or
> attitude.
> 
> On my first BFR, my instructor set out to disprove that theory. He had me
> keep applying power while continuing to increase the angle of attack. By the
> time I got to full power, we were almost hanging on the prop and the
> airspeed was reading zero and no stall. I found that very interesting.
> 
> "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for
> building has long since expired."
> 
> See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics
> 
> Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
> 
> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering
> 
>  
> 
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KR> spar skins

[skp...@charter.net]

Can someone tell me what is the correct skin to use for the spars. I need to 
place my order this week. 
The plans call for 3/32 mahog. with birch or popular core. I noticed Mark used 
birch plywood. According to Wicks prices it would be cheaper and I am about 
cheaper.
Finally (I think this was covered some time ago but,) Do I use M90 or M45 ply 
for the spar skins?

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, Alabama

KR> spar skins

[skp...@charter.net]

Thanks Brian,
I think I will be ordering 2 4x8 sheets of Birch.(for spars only).  If anyone 
needs to stop me let me know.

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn Alabama> 

> Use M90.
> 
> I used Mahogany but it did cost a lot.  My last two KRs had a lighter
> colored wood that I assumed was birch but I was not sure.  It wasn't until I
> received the mahogany and saw how dark the color was that I realized that
> the other ones were not mahogany.
> 
> The Finnish birch is prety cheap.  I don't know if it is acceptable or not
> though.
> 
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com

KR> forward spar dimensions

[skp...@charter.net]

Brian, I did the exact calculations and the only response to my post of "error 
in the plans" was. "oh really?"
Hope you find the answer. Im waiting.

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn Alamaba
> 
> From: "Brian Kraut" 
> Date: 2004/06/18 Fri AM 01:59:00 GMT
> To: "KRnet" 
> Subject: KR> forward spar dimensions
> 
> When I laminated my spar caps I used wood a little oversize so I could plane
> it to the exact dimensions when they were done.  Being someone who learned
> to measure in a machine shop and make parts to tollerances of a few ten
> thousandths of an inch, I was measuring everything with a set of dial
> calipers.  While double and triple checking everything I realized that there
> is something weird in the dimensions in the plans.
> 
> The 2S plans call for the center section front spars to be 2 5/32" wide
> which is about 2.1563".  The outboard spars are supposed to be 1 15/16" at
> the root which is 2.9375".  They each get skinned on both sides with 3/32"
> plywood.  That makes the center spar about 2.344" which is also the distance
> betwen the faces of the attach fittings.  The attach fittings on the outer
> spars go inside the inner fittings so we add the two 1/8" fittings to the
> inner spar to give us 2.375" which is about 30 thousandths wider than the
> space they go into.  Obviously, the fittings will flex a little and you can
> make them fit, but why in the world would they not just make the center
> section spars 1/32" wider so the fittings will slide right in?
> 
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
> 
> 
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KR> forward spar dimensions

[skp...@charter.net]

Wow did I speak before I looked.  When looking back I found that only half my 
question went out about the error in the plans.  Sorry netters. I am following 
Brian on this since I have the same question. 

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn Alabama not Alabamba
> 
> From: <skp...@charter.net>
> Date: 2004/06/18 Fri AM 03:26:13 GMT
> To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
> Subject: Re: KR> forward spar dimensions
> 
> Brian, I did the exact calculations and the only response to my post of 
> "error in the plans" was. "oh really?"
> Hope you find the answer. Im waiting.
> 
> Steven Phillabaum
> Auburn Alamaba
> > 
> > From: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kr...@engalt.com>
> > Date: 2004/06/18 Fri AM 01:59:00 GMT
> > To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
> > Subject: KR> forward spar dimensions
> > 
> > When I laminated my spar caps I used wood a little oversize so I could plane
> > it to the exact dimensions when they were done.  Being someone who learned
> > to measure in a machine shop and make parts to tollerances of a few ten
> > thousandths of an inch, I was measuring everything with a set of dial
> > calipers.  While double and triple checking everything I realized that there
> > is something weird in the dimensions in the plans.
> > 
> > The 2S plans call for the center section front spars to be 2 5/32" wide
> > which is about 2.1563".  The outboard spars are supposed to be 1 15/16" at
> > the root which is 2.9375".  They each get skinned on both sides with 3/32"
> > plywood.  That makes the center spar about 2.344" which is also the distance
> > betwen the faces of the attach fittings.  The attach fittings on the outer
> > spars go inside the inner fittings so we add the two 1/8" fittings to the
> > inner spar to give us 2.375" which is about 30 thousandths wider than the
> > space they go into.  Obviously, the fittings will flex a little and you can
> > make them fit, but why in the world would they not just make the center
> > section spars 1/32" wider so the fittings will slide right in?
> > 
> > Brian Kraut
> > Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> > www.engalt.com
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> 
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KR> outboard spar cap width.

[skp...@charter.net]

KR> spar cap width

[skp...@charter.net]

Help I am missing something.
I can't find the width (plan view) for the the spar cap of the outboard forward 
spar.  I have found dimension errors (I think).  I am using the New wings as 
down loaded from Marks site.  I don't need any other dimensions If you know 
the answer please let me know where I can verify. 
Thank you for the info.

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, Alabama

KR> spar cap width

[skp...@charter.net]

I wrote,
> > I can't find the width (plan view) for the the spar cap of the outboard
> forward spar.

Mark wrote
> Those spars in plan view are the same as the KR2S plans call for, so look in
> your RR plans for those numbers.

Thanks,  I of course found 1 15/16" x 1 7/8" x 78" for the outside forward spar 
caps prior to tapering.  

I wrote,
> >I have found dimension errors (I think).
Mark wrote,
> Oh, really?

What looks like an error in my calculations for spar width is the fact the 
Center Spar of 2 5/32 plus the two 3/32 faces gives you 2 11/32 width between 
the WAFs. Now for the Outside forward spar cap. 1 15/16 plus the two 3/32 
faces, plus the 1/4" for WAFs gives you a dimension 1/32 wider than the width 
between the WAFs for the center section.  Maybe the bend in the Waf takes up 
for it?

This brings me to another guess. The height of the end of the outside forward 
spar is equal to the height of the center section spar?

I'm going cross eyed trying to figure this out.  HELP!

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, Alabama
"2 mile final for 36"

KR> spar cap width

[skp...@charter.net]

Thanks Edward.

Stupid question... Is the height of the root end of the outside spar the same 
as the height of the center spar?  From what I can tell it is.

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, Alabama
> 
> From: Edward Seaman 
> Date: 2004/05/21 Fri PM 03:12:27 GMT
> To: KRnet 
> Subject: KR> spar cap width
> 
> Outer spars taper to 1" in plan view and 11/16 in side
> view (front view)
> 
> For what it is worth, I think that is crazy - reduces
> attachment area for wing surfaces (skins).  Mine will
> taper in front view only - constant 1-15/16 thickness
> in plan view for max glue area.
> 
> Need the rear spars?
> 
> Ed
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
>   
>   
> 
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KR> spar cap width

[skp...@charter.net]

YES, Thank you.
The net can answer questions.

Steven


> 
> From: boeing757me...@aol.com
> Date: 2004/05/24 Mon PM 03:43:56 GMT
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: Re: KR> spar cap width
> 
> In a message dated 5/24/2004 5:15:43 AM US Mountain Standard Time, 
> edpsea...@yahoo.co.uk writes:
> > Stupid question... Is the height of the root end of
> > the outside spar the same as the height of the
> > center spar?  From what I can tell it is.
> I think he is asking if the outer spars total thickness at the root is the 
> same as the center spar total thickness. And he's right the print does not 
> say 
> if I remember right. If you are building the new airfoil (AS5048) the 
> thickness 
> of the center spar is 8.19 and the root of the outer spar is the same.
> 
> Was that what you were asking?
> 
> Chris Theroux
> Gilbert, AZ
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KR> Corvair engines

[skp...@charter.net]

Kevin wrote. 
> Next step: Sandblaster! (and a lift to get the motors out of my enclosed
> trailer!).

My son and I lifted ours out of the truck by hand and set it on an engine stand.

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, Alabama 

KR> parts for sale

[skp...@charter.net]

Brian,  Have you forgot...  At SNF I asked to purchase your tail wheel from 
your old plane.  Sent you an Email off the list last week.  You must not have 
received it. If this is the one (complete assym) for $20.00 Please tag it and 
bag it. I will send you a check.
Let me know

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, Alabama
scrounging parts
> 
> From: "Brian Kraut" 
> Date: 2004/04/26 Mon AM 02:14:02 GMT
> To: "KRnet" 
> Subject: KR> parts for sale
> 
> The project I just bought has the RR tail wheel and two (don't ask me why)
> tail wheel springs that I am not going to use.  Rand lists the spring at $25
> and the tail wheel at $65.  I will sell the springs for $20 each and the
> tail wheel for $55 and ship it FedEx ground for free.  I will split the
> parts up.  I also have the old used one I took off my last KR that I will
> sell for $20.
> 
> I am also fairly sure that I want to sell the Diehl wing skins and stub
> skins.  I need the money to complete the plane more than I need the time it
> will save me over building the wings.  I will consider full or partial
> trades for some of the other items I need like an engine, engine mount,
> instruments, avionics, or wheels and brakes.
> 
> I would also like to sell my Diehl gear legs and the axle attach fittings.
> The legs are glassed and have the straw for the brake line.  They are not
> drilled for the attach fittings yet.  I am going to either mold or buy
> longer legs.  I would consider selling the gear attach fittings also, but
> they are drilled for my spar already and I would need to buy new ones and
> drill them so don't expect a great deal on them.
> 
> Email me direct at brian.kr...@engalt.com if interrested.
> 
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
> 
> 
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KR> Where is "Art"

[skp...@charter.net]

At SNF I met a fellow named Art.  I lost his info. Does anyone know how to get 
in touch with him.

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn Alabama
scrounging parts
(334) 887-5641

KR> Bbq at S-n-F

[skp...@charter.net]

Ray, and others. I plan on getting there Thursday about 1:00. Never camped 
there. Hope I can get a site.  Maybe I'll make a flag with a KR logo on it so 
others can find.  Not going in the gates until Friday and Saturday.
Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, Alabama
Table Stage
> 
> From: Ray Fuenzalida 
> Date: 2004/04/05 Mon AM 03:39:32 GMT
> To: KRnet 
> Subject: Re: KR> Bbq at S-n-F
> 
> I will be camping and am a member of EAA.  Will get
> there Wednesday night or Thursday morning.
> Look forward to meeting some of the KR gang.
> Ray
> 
> --- Linda Warner  wrote:
> > Hi Netters. Tried twice to send an amended letter to
> > the net. Sorry.
> > 
> > What I was trying to do was answer Brian Kraut's
> > letter about meeting up
> > for a Bbq. I told him there is no particular place
> > that I can think of
> > to hold this. I also told him that the first one to
> > arrive should come
> > back out to the camper registration building and
> > we'll make up a note
> > with a map so that all the rest of you can see it as
> > you register to
> > camp.
> > 
> > A side note: to camp on the grounds... you must be
> > either a member (in
> > good standing) of the EAA, or the Florida air
> > museum. 
> > 
> > Hope to see many of you there & enjoy some bbq or
> > brats with you.
> > 
> > John Sickafoose
> > Co-chairman, camper registration s-n-f
> > Naples, Fl
> > 
> > 
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KR> T5 aluminum

[skp...@charter.net]

On the aluminum list posted I stated T-5 for hinge and horns.  Wicks and ACS 
does not carry them.  My father gave me a name of a supplier.( can't locate 
name at this time) I called and spoke to him. He does not have T5.  OK what to 
do?  MARK, what did you use if you did not find T5. I will need to make the 
horns but using Dr. Deans method of hinges.
HIKE!!!

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, Alabama
Table stage.

KR> N56ML first flight report!

[skp...@charter.net]

I knew you would be the first prankster of the day.
I really am looking for your first report.
You are among the ones I have been following since I started this journey 3 
years ago. Keep up the good work.
P.S. when do you find time to work on your project?
Oh yea eight years in the making.
Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, Al
Table stage
> 
> From: "Mark Langford" 
> Date: 2004/04/01 Thu PM 01:00:47 GMT
> To: 
> Subject: KR> N56ML first flight report!
> 
> Some of y'all might have noticed no updates to my site lately.  That's
> because I've been busy flying N56ML!  I got tired of messing around with
> paint, so I got a case of white Rustoleum spray cans from Walmart and  just
> got the paint job thing behind me.  It looks "good enough for KR".  Bolted
> in some inertia reel seatbelts from an old Karmann Ghia, used Vice-Grips for
> the canopy latches.  Got it signed off last week (he didn't notice the
> missing latches), and flew it for the first time on Saturday.
> 
> Not much to tell so far, other than it flys like a dream, has a top speed of
> 235 mph straight and level, and stalls at 38 mph with full "barndoor" flaps.
> No pitch sensitivity at all.  Climb rate is an amazing 3000 fpm.  Great
> flying plane, hands off!
> 
> And let's not forget that it's April Fools Day, so you can't really trust
> anything anybody says or writes on the Internet anyway.  You never know when
> somebody might be joking with you...
> 
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
> N56ML at hiwaay.net
> see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
> 
> 
> 
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KR> Gear Leg Lay-up

[skp...@charter.net]

Need Help Finding...
Over a year ago I saw either on the net or on a web site someone whom laid-up 
their own gear legs in a mold.  I looked at the archive with no luck. I looked 
at sites with no luck.  I want to make my own legs for Diehl brackets. I would 
like some input as to length, thickness, layers, type, and testing.  

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, Alabama

KR> sun-n-fun dinner

[skp...@charter.net]

My schedule is getting booked.  Where is the dinner? When is the dinner? and, I 
am camping at sun-n-fun. Where can I meet some of you KR people?

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, Alabama

KR> Sun-n-fun dinner

[skp...@charter.net]

Sorry to be so stupid. BUT...
I looked at sun-n-fun event list and scanned the site.  I can't find a schedule 
for KR's
Verg, wrote, "Meet at the KR forum tent"

Please tell me when.

Thank you,
Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, Alabama

KR>Incidence

[skp...@charter.net]

Tag! Your it Mark. When get the data please let us know.

See you at Sun-n-fun

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, Alabama

Mark wrote

"the
> > longeron is more representative of how the plane itself will be flying,
> > rather than the firewall.
> >
until somebody
> > figures out what angle the fuselage is optimally supposed to fly at
> > anyway..."
> >
> > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
> > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
> > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> 
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KR>Template error?

[skp...@charter.net]

I noticed that the wing templates I downloaded for the AS5048/5 has a tip 
template for the 140.75" location which is labeled AS5048/6.  Did I get the 
wrong drawings?  I plan on using the AS5048/5 wing.

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, AL.

KR>spar cap width

[skp...@charter.net]

Good morning.
I looked in the KR Archive and did not find my answer.
Is the Spar caps the same width on the new wing (AS5048/5) as the wing with the 
plans?  Should I change my spruce order other than the basic order for the KR2S?

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, AL.

KR>Spruce Order

[skp...@charter.net]

Before I order my spruce I want to know if anyone has a name of a contact at 
Aircraft Spruce.  He, She would be familar with the KR.  I plan on driving to 
pick up my order and talk face to face.  (I live less than two hours away.)

KR>Advertising

[skp...@charter.net]

I believe it is up to KR owners to keep the KR alive.  If more KR Planes would 
show up at major fly-ins the popularity would grow.  I went to my first EAA 
meeting and several people were familar with the KR but have never seen one 
that they know of.  I know its a long way off but I cant wait to WEAR MINE.  ( 
I really like that small sports car look.)

KR>Name

[skp...@charter.net]

Sorry,  I forgot to tag my E-mails. Coffee has not kicked in yet.

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, Alabama
334-887-5641

KR>spruce order thanx

[skp...@charter.net]

Thanks for the replies of the spruce order question.  I saw a lot of complaints 
so that is why I asked for a person to person contact. Does not seem to be one. 
 As far as time to ship.  That is why I want to drive to pick up. I personally 
purchased a "PILOT" headset as a back up from Aircraft Spruce.  $150.00 works 
great and got it within FIVE DAYS.  I guess the more you spend the harder they 
treat you.

Again thanks.
Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, Alabama

KR>I'm Moving - Project Must Go

[skp...@charter.net]

Bruce, I am interested in both.  But do you mean 32 wing fittings brackets? Two 
Aluminum Gear brackets for spars and two aluminum axel mounts? Do you have the 
Legs.

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, Alabama
334-887-5641

I'll let them go for $250 each.  BTW, the gear fittings can be used on the new 
airfoil; tricycle or tail dragger.  

KR>Gatherings

[skp...@charter.net]

Hope I didn't send this twice.

I think any and all oportunities to get the KR out to the public is great.  Why 
not meet using regional fly-ins. A couple examples are the Pancake breakfast 
held by a large EAA chapter near Atlanta, GA. And a Fly-in "thunder in the 
Valley", held in Columbus GA. KR'ers in the Southeast can make those and I'm 
sure others can make Fly-ins in their area. 

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, AL.

Just get the KR out to the public.


> 
> From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" 
> Date: 2004/03/06 Sat PM 05:15:02 GMT
> To: "KRnet" 
> Subject: KR>Gatherings
> 
> Netters
> Here is an offlist post that summarizes my feelings very well, and also 
> identifies how I want to supplement the Gathering not replace it.  I intend 
> to go this year where ever it is and when, but support Orma on the date 
> change. Here is the post, any/all feedback welcome:

> Colin & Bev Rainey
> KR2(td) N96TA
> Sanford, FL
> crain...@cfl.rr.com
> or crbrn9...@hotmail.com
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> 

KR>Hardware list

[skp...@charter.net]

> Is there a list or info page some where noting the hardware requirements 
> (castellated nuts, pins, etc) on things such as push tubes, bell cranks, 
> cables, etc
> 
> Steve McGee
> Endeavor Wi. USA
> Building a KR2S widened.
> lmc...@maqs.net 
> 
Steve,

I have a list of just such in an excell format.  Just like the one I made for 
the aluminum that is posted on the archieve.  It was made from plans "as 
plans". You would need to modify for your use. It lists each item and where it 
is to be used. If you would like I will send it to you direct.

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, AL
"Work Table Stage"

KR>4x2x1/8 aluminum extrusion

[skp...@charter.net]

Larry you might have the answer by now but.  Go to KR archive and type 
"aluminum list posted" and you will see the list I made for the KR.  Lists 
Wicks' part numbers and page numbers. I have not built my Aluminum parts yet so 
you might look at it with a grain of salt.

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, Alabama

>> Where can I get the extrusion needed for the aileron hinge? AS does not 
> carry it.
> 
> 
> 
> Larry Severson
> Fountain Valley, CA 92708
> (714) 968-9852
> lar...@socal.rr.com 
> 
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KR>Sun-n-fun

[skp...@charter.net]

Going down thursday through Sunday.
1.  Where are people staying? Not camping the ground is to hard.
2.  Where is Holiday inn North?  Not in Lakeland.
3.  If you are flying down early and pass over Auburn Alabama and need a place 
to stay let me know.
4.  If you would like to ride together?  Let me know.

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, Alabama
skp...@charter.net

KR>aluminum kit

[skp...@charter.net]

I have an excell list for all parts as listed on the plans 
and in the specs.  The list includes part number and page 
number for ordering from wicks.  Of course the list is as 
always 90% complete.  I'll post it to the net if anyone 
thinks it will help

Steve Phillabaum
Auburn Alabama
Still Planning.

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:03:22 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
  "Dan Heath"  wrote:
>I said that I would try to find the parts for the 
>aluminum kit.  I have
>exhausted all my resources and cannot find anything like 
>that.  Isn't that
>sad?  I guess the only way to do it is to go through the 
>plans and write
>down all the required aluminum sizes and types and add it 
>up.
>
>Sorry, 
>  
>N64KR
>  
>Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
>  
>da...@kr-builder.org
>  
>See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering
>  
>See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic
>See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org
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KR>Aluminum Spreadsheet

[skp...@charter.net]

Mark I sent you my spreadsheet for you to HTLM to the net. 
 Wondering if you got it.  Note if it makes it to the net 
remember. Firewall forward is left off. and the old hinge 
style is used not Dr. Deans.  Of course you will still 
need to make horns if you use Dr. Deans method.

P.S. I have a steel list and bolt list in the edit mode.

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, Alabama

KR>Trouble getting through

[skp...@charter.net]

Mark please E-mail me off the list so I can reply to you 
Trying to send you the aluminum spreadsheet.
Steven Phillabaum
Auburn Alabama
skp...@charter.net

KR>Building wings - Off the plane?

[skp...@charter.net]

Ron, Try to find someone building a Mustang II,  I helped 
my father build his wings OFF THE PLANE.  Although they 
are aluminum. I don't see why it can't be done for the KR. 
 Just put in a lot of thought.

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, AL (KAUO)

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:20:44 -0500
  "Ron Freiberger"  wrote:
>You failed to understand that I don't have enough room to 
>build them that
>way.
>
>Ron Freiberger
>mailto: rfreiber...@swfla.rr.com
>
>-Original Message-
>From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net 
>[mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of
>Dan Heath
>Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 5:43 AM
>To: kr...@mylist.net
>Subject: KR>Building wings - Off the plane?
>
>I suggest that you build yourself a Flip-O-Matic, ala 
>Mark Langford.  You
>will need it anyway.  You must be building the top side 
>on the plane.
>Carefully remove it, flip your plane, turn the wing over, 
>put it back on and
>continue on your way.  If you don't build it on the 
>plane, you won't be sure
>it is right, until it is done.  then it is too late.
>
>
>
>N64KR
>
>
>
>Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
>
>
>
>da...@kr-builder.org
>
>
>
>See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering
>
>
>
>See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic
>
>See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org
>
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KR>P-Factor "practice"

[skp...@charter.net]

In a training tri-gear plane. Doing soft field take offs. 
 After run-up one pulls back fully on the yoke and begins 
his roll onto the runway. Does not stop. When centered on 
the runway adds the rest of the power lifts the front 
wheel and keeps the plane centered.  If you still fly a 
tri gear and are planning on a dragger. Then do ALL of 
your take offs SOFT FIELD utill you graduate to the 
dragger. 
Auburn's runway 36 is 5265 x 100. Plenty of space. come 
see me.

Happy Flying.

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, Alabama (KAUO)

KR>molds

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I have a question on building molds.
My experience with mold makeing for fiberglass is that the 
mold (if made of fiberglass) needs to be at least twice as 
thick as the piece you are going to make. So, the heat 
from the part wont warp the mold.

1. What type of material is being used to pull molds?
2. If making of glass how thick and are you using a spray 
on release agent? 

Molds I have made before have been from. Glass, Sheetrock 
mud, plaster of paris, paper machae, clay, even concrete. 
I just want to know what KR people are doing.

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, Alabama

KR>Painting tips

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>Bill Wrote

> Now, I do have a 18 X 25 downdraft paint booth with 
>10 foot ceilings that I use for my car restorations.  I 
>told Art Bruce that since he is a local guy once he gets 
>to the finishing stage I can make my shop available for 
>him - or others if interested - to come finish wings / 
>fuse and paint them here.  I can also make my services 
>available if you want me to do it as part of my business. 
> Just a suggestion.  I know it is hard to find a paint 
>booth to do this work at sometimes - most shops arent 
>interested in helping broke KR builders paint.  
>
>Happy Building - Bill 


Bill

WHERE ARE YOU
YOUR POST WAS GREAT
Also Finishing a restoration of 1964 VW Dunebuggy Manx 
Style Body used an acrylic enamel Paint I DID NOT LIKE. I 
think its t soft.  You paint, you know what I mean.
I wont use it for the KR.

KR>Hand helds

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I want to hear more on hand-helds.
I was told to "just purchase a hand held and save money"
I fly with a garmin III and love it. As for communication 
I want to be able to contact the tower at 20nm out at 3000 
 AGL.  A push to talk button that works would be good.

For those with experience please advise.

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, Alabama (KAUO)
skp...@charter.net

KR>Hinges

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I know this is in the archive but I got frustrated trying 
to find the exact info.

I am going to use the new airfoil elevator and rudder. 
 Question is what size of chanel aluminum to use for the 
hinges?  I don't want to get my hinges in a bind.  I don't 
want to use pushrod ends either.  (plans built, cost, 
weight, you know the stuff.) Mark I couldn't get on to 
your site to look at what you did.

Steve Phillabaum
skp...@charter.net
Auburn, Alabama

KR>Hinges

[skp...@charter.net]

Thanks for the input.

Looks like I'll study on "Dr. Deans Way"
Actually looks easier then cutting angle.

Steve Phillabaum
Auburn, Alabama

KR>Hinges, pushtubes and things.

[skp...@charter.net]

  "Dana Overall" wrote:
>  Rivets can be set 
>using a backing plate, to accomodate the factory head, 
>and a hammer.  You don't need a squeezer or C-frame.
>
Dana Thanks for the pics.  I belive you have helped me 
make up the decision.  To go with Rod ends for hinges and 
a push rod in lue of cables.  As far as a hammer and 
backing plate.  I will borrow my dads tools.  He is moving 
his plane to the hanger to paint. Mustang II.  Slow bilt 
kit. Enjoyed helping.

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, Alabama  ---KAUO--

KR>aileron response

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Steve Makish wrote.

>Hi Guys, Steve Makish here. I have 
>had my bird to 14,500 feet  I put 
>the engine to idle, set 
>the speed at 95 mph and glided back to fort Lauderdale 
>exec which was 70 
>miles away. >Steve


Steve,  This is Steve,
WOW I'm impressed!! With the engine at idle you 
effectivly got a glide of 1 mile per 200 ft. of loss in 
altitude.  I like those numbers.  Can't wait to fly mine 
in a few years.

KR>Roll Call

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Sounds like a lot of KR people are going.
I wont know if I am going until the last minute.
I have 9 houses under construction and the developer I 
work for purchased 37 more lots.
If I can get away I will be traveling up interstate 65 
from Auburn Alabama during the evening (thursday night) 
 If someone on the route is undecisive as I am and waits 
till the last minute let me know. I could pick you up. 

Steven Phillabaum
skp...@charter.net
Auburn, Alabama

KR>RED OAK - GATHERING

[skp...@charter.net]

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:52:13 -0400
  "William Clapp" <clapps...@cybersouth.com> wrote:
>If anybody is driving from the East coast - 
>Florida/georgia/AL area and want
>a rider/driver to accompany - let me know.  Its a long 
>haul from here and
>two or three make a long trip much faster and more 
>pleasent.  Thanks -
>Bill
>

Bill did you get my post?
Steven Phillabaum
skp...@charter.net
Auburn, Alabama
I don't know if I am going due to my schedule.
But if I do go I would like someone to accompany me.
Looks like a long drive.  I bought a new Atlas today but 
haven't calculated the drive yet.

KR>Estimate spreadsheet

[skp...@charter.net]

Mark,
Did you get my Aluminum Estimate spreadsheet I sent you 
off the KRnet.  I think I might have sent out into nowhere 
land.

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn Alabama
skp...@charter.net

KR>Building a KR

[skp...@charter.net]

Just a note,

I am building my KR in a different sequence than standard. 
 I am building small parts, hardware, and whatever items I 
can think of.  ALL prior to building the boat.  I am also 
keeping a sharp pencil on items as I estimate, price and 
order.  Maybe one day it will be available to future 
builders.  I believe I spent 40 hours just estimating 
aluminum angle. (ending up with 3.5" x 4" to build most 
parts.) But that is what I enjoy doing.  When I build my 
boat hopefully I will be able to just bolt on parts as if 
they came out of a KIT.  This ain't my first rodeo...  The 
one thing I can't find in this town is someone to print 
out the 5048/5046 airfoils. Maybe Mark can help me with 
that.  In all truth I have to build a storage shed to put 
all the stuff in from the garage before I can take on the 
larger item.

Building parts
Staying current in Auburn AL.
Steven Phillabaum
skp...@charter.net

KR>spin?

[skp...@charter.net]

Jim said vertical stab. might be too small to recover from 
a spin.
What if you get into a spin?  Are you going to accept you 
will become a smoking hole?
What can builders do to correct the problem?  i.e. larger 
feathers?
I haven't started building Boat yet so I can make changes 
very easy.
Still building hardware and putting up.

Staying current in Auburn Al.
Steven Phillabaum
skp...@charter.net

KR>Wing tanks?

[skp...@charter.net]

Just thought I would toss this in.
Helping my dad install the cowl on his Mustang II. Header 
tank with wet wings.  He stated that people in his 
buldling group are happier with fiberglass tanks than 
aluminum. (He has aluminum) Go figure.

Also we belive he would have saved money using a glass 
cockpit vs. all new inst. Although, I do like his micro 
enginge inst.

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, Alabama
skp...@charter.net

KR>KR inspection checklist

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I would like to be included, if someone has one please 
send to:
Steven Phillabaum
skp...@charter.net
Auburn, Alabama


  Brian Kraut <eng...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Does anyone have a KR condition inspection checklist they 
>can email me?  I will write my own, but I would like to 
>get as many from other people as I can find as a starting 
>point.
>

KR>KR inspection checklist

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Please send me a copy of the list

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, AL
skp...@charter.net

KR>Diehl gear

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Question.
I looked in the archieve list and could not find a certian 
posting about someone who made their own gear bracket like 
a Diehl.  Since I'm cheap, could this safely work? and 
could I talk with them?  Decided to go with the tail 
dragger for weight reduction.

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn Alabama

KR>Grove or Diehl

[skp...@charter.net]

On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 07:14:31 -0500
  "Mark Langford"  wrote:
>Grove gear for the KR is at 
>http://www.groveaircraft.com/kr2.html .  It
>looks like it's gone up to $770 recently, but it's still 
>the way I'd go if I
>were doing it again.  

Mark,  Why do you think you would use the grove over the 
Diehl gear?  I'm thinking of going to tri Diehl.  But I 
could use the extra $500.00 for other items.  I'll need to 
check out in a tail dragger. 

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn Al