Re: [lace] What is this lace?

[Devon Thein]

What an interesting conversation about the strange lace piece I have
encountered. Jo Ann believes it is needle lace. I think that is
understandable as you could achieve this effect or something like it with
needle weaving, as in Halas lace. But, the fact that the tape can
transition seamlessly into a plait based structure, see first photo, makes
me think it is bobbin lace. I think the long tapes are made the way we make
tallies. They look like tallies in that they are “weft faced”, namely the
warp is totally covered by the weft or worker thread. (Linen stitch is a
double weft weave, two threads going back and forth. The tally is single
weft, one thread is going back and forth)

The piece in the Smithsonian that Karen draws our attention to is
fantastic, a real tour de force in this technique. Again, I am questioning
whether it might be needle woven, but it too has plait based sections.
While the bird has parts that look like tallies, weft faced, it also has
areas that look like a very even weave. Are these made the same way as the
tally tapes? In tallies you are constantly tensioning and pressuring the
worker to compact. I guess you could do the same movements, but without the
extreme tensioning in order to create the impact of a woven fabric.

It was this fabric type effect that caused me to think about the flower pot
lace that I posted next on Ning. This is a piece with both the compacted
tally type tape and also a more even weave type of tape. These transition
into bobbin lace grounds effortlessly in this piece as well.

The final piece that I posted was one with three flowers made in tally
technique. This one even has a pair, or sometimes a braid which migrates
through the tally to other tallies.

Returning to the bird piece that Karen drew our attention to, I am
enthralled by this portion of it where an even weave worked like a curved
tally separates at the eye hole, and turns into a Giant Plait before
turning into a pointed tally in the beak.

I am including a photo of the very old piece that was made with tapes and
motifs which were all plaited, or woven diagonally, or whatever you want to
call it. (I call it a Giant Plait.)

Kim’s insight that the elongated tally may be a very old way of making
tapes seems very likely. Karen’s piece illustrates the incredible skill of
the old lacemakers as they move through these various structures. These
were classified as bobbin lace.

I have posted photos to go with this on
http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history

I am still confused about how you would be tensioning such long tallies,
let alone the woven areas, since it does not appear that there are pin
holes. Any insights would be appreciated.

Devon

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Re: [lace] What is this lace?

[Kim Davis]

Devon,

 Have you seen the book, "Gekloeppelte Reticella?"   As the name
implies, they are using bobbin lace to imitate Reticella needle lace.  The
patterns are nothing like this one, they are very
geometric and imitate Reticella.  The book does, however, use tallies in
this exact manner.  As Pierre points out, it has the look of the le Pompe
patterns which we always wonder about since cloth stitch tapes were not
known at that time.  I suspect this is how the pieces were created, but
have never seen any proof.  Unfortunately, this thread looks like revival
era thread, so I am not sure how helpful it is.  But, if they were copying
an old lace directly, it would make a lot of sense.  I have not yet had
time to research this train of study, but it is on my short list.  My
suspicion is that if there are extant pieces, they are likely misidentified
as needle lace.

There is also the overlap that this type of work was done in metal
threads, again in German areas.   I have an individual pattern, but would
need to lay my hands on it if you are interested.  it is in my large stack
of things I am researching, not in a neatly filed place as it should be.
It hits that perhaps exciting/ perhaps annoying but always interesting
bridge where passaments done in other technique overlap and possibly evolve
into bobbin lace.



Kim

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Re: [lace] What is this lace?

[Pierre Fouché]

Hi Devon

It reminds me of Pattern 21A, Book I of Le Pompe, 1559. The braid in the Le
Pompe example has picots and holes, but the principle of an undulating
floral design worked in a braid, surrounded by straight footside braids
appear stylistically very medieval. Your example's thread is in excellent
condition. You can clearly see that the tally-braid was made with three
pairs. Fascinating! My guess would be that the piece is contemporaneous to
the laces patterned in Le Pompe.

Pierre
Cape Town

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Re: [lace] What is the best way to start bobbin lace?

[Devon Thein]

In my zeal to promote lacemaking, I admit that I did not address the
question of whether you can pick up and put down bobbin lace with this
questioner.
I do agree that it is not the easiest thing to pick up and put down.
In fact, one of the things I like about it is the intense
concentration that you often feel when you are tackling a difficult
pattern, a sort of neurological buzz that you get when you are "in the
zone". Readers of the IOLI Bulletin may recall my article about my
struggle with  lacemaking addiction in which I make lace to excess,
neglecting important tasks. I confess that I seem to be in one of
those states now, especially as the weather is in the single digits. I
find I am starting my morning with a little lacemaking "eye opener"
which often extends into the afternoon. I am now shooting through
recorded books as though there is no tomorrow. In normal times, I
often don't even start because I know I can't stop. So, perhaps it was
wrong of me to encourage a young mother to take it up, or rather not
to discourage her.
Devon

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Re: [lace] What is the best way to start bobbin lace?

[Anita Hansen]

Other parts of Devon’s meassage have already been addresses.
This part: “Is this hobby something easy to pack away (so my kids can’t

get their hands in it) and something I can pick up and leave as my free time 
permits? I have some experience in crocheting but beginners level.”


Honestly, my answer would be “no”.  Yes, you might be able to pack it up 
and put it away out of reach of 2 toddlers, but is it as easy as packing up 
crochet? No.  But more importantly, if her free time is so very limited and 
sporatic then I seriously question that she has the time to devote to the early 
stages of learning bobbin lace. In my experience a beginner needs to devote a 
fair amount of “consistent” attention to learning lace, and if not you will 
easily find yourself a few weeks later asking “what is a cross?”  Maybe 
after she gets comfortable and familiar with the basics THEN someone might be 
able to “pick up and leave”, but this doesn’t happen with most beginners 
for quite some time. Of course there are always those that pick ut up right 
away, but then she has only “some experience in crocheting at a beginner 
level.” I would suggest that she continue to pursue that hobby as it is more 
easily picked up and put away.


My personal story my first lace class was with Betty Aldeson of Snowgoose 
at a stitching conference. It was on a Saturday outside Chicago. My husband, 
10y daughter and 21mo son came along. While I was in class DH took the kids to 
the zoo. After I got home, I made one more bookmark. As a working mom, 
everything got “packed up and out of the way”. It didn’t come back down 
for 3 years when I found a local community college and the Doris Southard Lace 
guild.  Still was a working mom. Didn’t devote much more time to lace until I 
left my job and my son was in school.  So the reality is, that just because you 
want to make beautiful lace NOW, it doesn’t mean it won”t happen later.   I 
also do understant the desire to find a fulfilling hobby for your prescious 
free time!

Anita Hansen

In cold but sunny Iowa!


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Re: [lace] What is the best way to start bobbin lace?

[Elena Kanagy-Loux]

As a millennial I will just chime in to say that today’s young people are not 
as divided in taste as perhaps they were in the past. You might be surprised to 
find that many girls like dinosaurs & trucks, and many boys like pink & 
flowers. The easiest way is just to offer everyone the same range of choices 
and let them decide! If you want to attract young people and children to 
lacemaking, which Brooklyn Lace Guild has been successful in doing, an updated 
approach might help. :)

Also I agree with the suggestions of the Bobbin lacemakers Facebook group! 
There are lots of beginners in there, and people to help them.

Hope everyone is staying warm today!
Best,
Elena 

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RE: [lace] What is the best way to start bobbin lace?

[Lorelei Halley]

Many years ago Elizabeth Kurella designed some dinosaur patterns, very simple, 
but just the thing to entice a boy. I don't know if the patterns were ever 
published or where one could find them. I would love to see them readily 
available.
Lorelei

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bobbin lace?

I think the biggest problem is what they are to make, as that usually is 
slanted toward female lace makers.Flowers are not going to work for a boy 
of that age. Thus I think the most difficult bit of this admirable plan is to 
find things in lace that boys would want to make.  

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Re: [lace] What is the best way to start bobbin lace?

[Anna Binnie]

Does the mother want to learn herself or teach her sons?
As an educator, I feel 2 years is too young to start lace, they need to 
have developed a working memory that allows them to hold quite a bit of 
information and they need good fine motor skills. The four year old may 
be just ready.


Is the mother basically saying I want a hobby how do I start.

If it is the latter question I would say suggest U tube BUT also put her 
in touch with a local group she may just need time out from the 
munchkins or talk to real adults. She may be socially isolated and may 
simply need to get out with people.


Also invite her to arachne as well

Anna in a wet Sydney

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Re: [lace] What is the best way to start bobbin lace?

[Sue Babbs]

I started to learn lace when my son was 10 months old - so it is possible to 
combine with a young child.  However I hope she has a less absent-minded 
partner than my husband.  He was supposed to be looking after my son while I 
cooked. Instead I heard an interesting pinging sound coming from the dining 
room, where it turned out that my son had discovered that if you pulled each 
bobbin carefully the thread would snap.  He managed to break about 17 
threads before I found out - on the corner of a piece of Bucks lace.  I 
ordered them both out of the house before I did something I'd regret to the 
older one of them!!



Sue

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Re: [lace] What is the best way to start bobbin lace?

[Devon Thein]

Lyn, I guess I didn't make myself clear. It is the mother who wants to
learn. I mentioned the children because it occurred to me that it
wouldn't be that easy for her to leave the house. Also, I left out
another part of the message. The entire message said, "I have two
young boys. Two and 4 years old. They keep me busy most of the time.
But I’m wanting to start a hobby so bad for the little free time that
I have. Is this hobby something easy to pack away (so my kids can’t
get their hands in it) and something I can pick up and leave as my
free time permits? I have some experience in crocheting but beginners
level. What’s the best way for me to start this hobby? I’d love to
make beautiful lace."

I am not sure what to say about the matter of whether it is easy to
pack away and pick up.
Devon

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Re: [lace] What is the best way to start bobbin lace?

[lynrbailey]

"My email sends out an automatic  message. Arachne members,
please ignore it. I read your emails."Dear Devon, et al,

I am assuming this mother lives in the US, so we have this situation.  A 
mother, experienced in bobbin lacemaking, with two young sons and she wants 
them to learn bobbin lace.  So, we have a teacher, two young boys, no 
likelihood of nearby schools, and how to teach them.  First of all, she has 
plenty of time to actually teach them, especially the younger, and figure out 
how that is done.  Teaching the basic steps doesn't have many significant 
variations. The 'bandage' is the usual beginning. I think the biggest problem 
is what they are to make, as that usually is slanted toward female lace makers. 
 From my courses preparing me for a teaching certificate in another life, I 
learned that this could be quite important, as around the age of six, children 
are learning about what it is that makes them a boy or a girl.  It's the only 
age when all little girls, virtually, want pink, for example.  Flowers are not 
going to work for a boy of that age.  I am away from my books, so I can'!
 t refer to them except by memory.  I think the best book, off the top of my 
head, is the one made by the Lace Museum in California.  Also the rather 
expensive German looseleaf book designed for teachers of young lacemakers.  
Tapelace can make all sorts of trucks and bulldozers, items usually cherished 
by boys.  I have two sons, I remember.  The other possibility is 3d modern 
lace.  Le Puy en Velay has a school for youngsters, as does Kant Centrum in 
Bruges, and the lace place in Brioude, France.  Writing to them and finding out 
how they teach this could be useful.  I know that one motif used in Bruges for 
teaching youngsters is a half stitch fish in multicolored crochet cotton.  

Thus I think the most difficult bit of this admirable plan is to find things in 
lace that boys would want to make.  

Lyn from Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, presently in the Arizona desert, 
enjoying sunshine and warmth.  About to break out the shorts.


"My email sends out an automatic  message. Arachne members,
please ignore it. I read your emails."


I have received a
>question to the page from a woman who has two young sons, 2 and 4. She
>asks "What is the best way to start this hobby?" ...

>I am now contemplating whether it might be easier in this day and age
>for someone to teach themselves lacemaking than to locate and attend a
>class. As we know, classes are few, meet rarely, and tend to be so
>spread out that distance becomes a problem. I think this might be
>especially the case for a young mother.
>What answer should I give this questioner about the best way to start the 
>hobby?
>Devon
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Re: [lace] what is the relation between doll collectors and lace enthusiasts

[Devon Thein]

I don't think it was a west coast phenomenon. Originally there was a
group called the Federation of Doll Clubs. in the 1950s, a small
sub-group of them was interested in dressing dolls in the appropriate
style lace for the era of the doll, and they formed a lace study group
within the Doll Clubs, called the Old Lacers. Eventually it broke away
from the Federation of Doll Clubs, becoming the International Old
Lacers, and then eventually the International Organization of Lace.
The character of the group began to change when lacemakers started to
join it because there was no other group that was oriented toward
making lace.  Another connection between doll collectors and
lacemakers is that doll collectors wish to have appropriately sized
lace for doll clothes and doll furnishings. So, in some cases, they
have to make the lace so it is in scale. Yet another concern,
expressed by some, was that doll collectors were cutting up priceless
old handmade lace for the doll clothes, because only the laces from
the early 18th century were of fine enough thread to make them in
scale with dolls. At least one member of the lace community decided to
make an entire book of patterns appropriately sized for dolls and doll
houses to address this perceived threat, so that the doll collectors
could make better lace for their doll houses and wouldn't have to rely
on antiques laces.

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Sharon Ghamari-Tabrizi
 wrote:
> Dear Lacers
> As I understand it, there are two streams of enthusiasts that made up the
> American lace making community in the 20th century. On the East Coast there
> were wealthy women who created the Needle and Bobbin Club. But on the West
> Coast, -- am I getting this right? -- the original lace enthusiasts were
> also doll collectors and lace makers spun off from them and established
> their own group?
>
> Does anyone have any more info about this for me?
> Thanks one and all
> Sharon
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Re: [lace] What is best way to inventory lace books?

[Jill Hawkins]

The link provided in my email should be: 
https://cloud.collectorz.com/NELACE/books/view.
If you have problems with the link, please visit the Library page of the
New England Lace Group: www.nelg.us

  On April 25, 2018 at 10:10 AM Jill Hawkins wrote:

  We have a public link on our website to our library:
  https://cloud.collector z.com/NELACE/books/view.

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Re: [lace] What is best way to inventory lace books?

[Jill Hawkins]

Hi Jeri

The New England Lace Group uses Book Connect from Collectorz.com. This is
an online, web-based software that is very easy to use, and can be
accessed from anywhere. The subscription costs $24.95 per year and
includes regular software updates. Collectorz.com also offers a version
called CLZ Books, which is a one time purchase of $14.95, which includes
many of the same features as Book Connect. There is also Book Collector
which is downloadable software, so access is limited to the computer
where it is downloaded. The one-time cost is $49.95 and software updates
are free for one year.

Book Connect features approx. 40 editable fields, including author,
country, language, dimensions, edition, issue, volume, title, ISBN,
publisher, publication date, number of pages, purchase price,
genres, category, sub-category, description, condition, condition,
current value, purchase date, purchase location. NELG has categorized our
library books by type of lace, instruction books, history,
identification, etc. The catalog can be downloaded and printed and you
can customize which fields appear in the online catalog and printed
catalog. NELG has further identified our books by their location (i.e.
which box they are located in). This helps when someone wants to borrow a
book from our library since several members have several boxes of books
each.

Books can be added by scanning or keying in the ISBN, or the author
and/or title. The system automatically searches for a match. For example,
a search today for Pamela Nottingham returned 20 results. All results
include an image of the cover, the title, author, publisher, publication
date, ISBN, number of pages, dimensions, and subject categories (e.g.
bobbin lace, lace and lacemaking). When you have located the book you
want to add, simply click "Add to Collection", after which you can edit
the record to add additional information. Books can also be added
manually, and a photograph of the cover uploaded. This is very useful for
self-published books or articles that would not have an ISBN.

We have a public link on our website to our library:
https://cloud.collector z.com/NELACE/books/view. The view can be
customized to display different information - for example, if you want to
look at the books by cover, rather than in a list.

There is also the option to manage book loans and create a wish list for
future purchase. NELG has used Book Connect for the past several years
and would highly recommend it.

Jill

in rainy North Branford, CT, USA

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Re: [lace] What is best way to inventory lace books?

[Lin Hudren]

 I only catalogue my craft books so I have a very easy system that I use
-  more time to make lace.  :-)

It's called 'Book Catalogue' - an app, the Android version on my phone
and tablet.

Shirley T.  -

I, too, use this for my books.  it is a very easy to use application and
you can carry it with you to check if you have a book before buying it at
the store in case it has a new "cover".


Hugs, Lin and the Mali

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Re: [lace] What is best way to inventory lace books?

[Tregellas Family]

Hi Jeri,

I only catalogue my craft books so I have a very easy system that I use  
-  more time to make lace.  :-)

It's called 'Book Catalogue' - an app, the Android version on my phone 
and tablet.  It allows one to have various 'bookshelves' and sorting by 
any category  -  Torchon, Beds, Honiton, Sewing, Hardanger, etc., and 
the best part is is that you can scan the book with the camera on your 
device or search the net by typing in the ISBN number.  You then get a 
photo of the book, author, genre, date published, etc.  It is easy to 
carry around and one doesn't need a spreadsheet to read it.  I do have 
it backed up to my portable hard drive at home and use that to refer to 
my shelves when trying to find a book.  I'd be totally lost without it.

Fiction and other books are ordered in categories, then author, on the 
family bookshelves.  My DH has his own system for his electronic/radio 
library.

Cheers,
Shirley T.  -  Autumn has at last arrived with a few mm of the wet stuff 
but it stayed dry this morning for the Dawn Services (in Adelaide) 
around Australia of our ANZAC commemorative events.

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Re: [lace] What do bobbin and needle lace have in common?

[Elena Kanagy-Loux]

Pardon, I didn't realize we were specifically discussing contemporary examples. 
I was interested in the overall debate. Of course, lots of lace is made in 
color, I myself enjoy making bobbin and needle lace in color as well - although 
I love white too! I love it all, honestly, no matter what one wants to call it. 
:)

Best,
Elena

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Re: [lace] What do bobbin and needle lace have in common?

[Catherine Barley]

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In a recent viewing of 17th century English embroidery, I noted that some of 
the stitches used to fill in backgrounds behind raised work resembled Hollie 
Point, but in color. But we would not call that lace. Raised work itself is 
obviously a very close relative of needle work, with the difference sometimes 
seeming to only be the use of white vs color. 
I’ve also been researching early English lace as you all know, and it seems 
like most early references to needle lace lump it in with embroidery, whereas 
“lace” alone denotes bobbin lace, but not in all cases. 

So how do we distinguish? A truly perplexing question indeed.


The only difference is not just the use of white v colour as there are plenty 
of bobbin lacemakers who work mainly in colour - Jane Atkinson for one.  There 
are also many needlelace workers who work only in colour and whose names have 
been brought to my attention here in these discussions on the subject.  The 
difference is that if the needlelace stitches are worked onto a background 
fabric, it is embroidery but if it can stand alone without the need of a 
background fabric to support it, it is needle 'lace' in the true sense of the 
word.  Please don't complicate matters by thinking that a piece of needlelace 
that has been worked in the traditionally accepted manner before mounting onto 
a background fabric and then put into a frame, is embroidery - it is not, 
because it can stand alone and one can see through it, it does not need a 
background fabric because it is lace that was not worked onto a background 
fabric of any description..  Also these EARLY references do lump it into!
  embroidery but we're discussing the 21st century needlelaces, not the 17th 
century use of it.  Alencon and all of the other traditional needlelaces, which 
are not 21st century inventions are without any doubt whatsoever needlelace and 
will not be found lumped in with embroidery if  searched for using the words  
'Alencon Needlelace' but the word 'Needlelace' alone, clearly does.  

Catherine Barley

Catherine Barley Needlelace
www.catheinebarley.com

Catherine Barley

Catherine Barley Needlelace
www.catherinebarley.com 

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Re: [lace] What do bobbin and needle lace have in common?

[Elena Kanagy-Loux]

You bring up a really thought-provoking question, Devon, what DO bobbin and 
needle lace have in common??

When I talk to the uninitiated, I usually describe lace as “an umbrella term 
that covers myriad techniques that vary across regions and history.” But while 
bobbin lace is decidedly only lace, needle lace overlaps with embroidery in a 
way that complicates things.

In a recent viewing of 17th century English embroidery, I noted that some of 
the stitches used to fill in backgrounds behind raised work resembled Hollie 
Point, but in color. But we would not call that lace. Raised work itself is 
obviously a very close relative of needle work, with the difference sometimes 
seeming to only be the use of white vs color. 
I’ve also been researching early English lace as you all know, and it seems 
like most early references to needle lace lump it in with embroidery, whereas 
“lace” alone denotes bobbin lace, but not in all cases. 

So how do we distinguish? A truly perplexing question indeed.

Best,
Elena 

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RE: [lace] What do bobbin and needle lace have in common?/Needlelacerevival

[N.A. Neff]

Yes, that's part of what I meant by "historically important". The other
aspect was their political economic importance in international commerce
and domestically with sumptuary laws and prohibitions on foreign lace, etc.

Nancy
Connecticut,  USA

On Apr 1, 2018 11:31, "DevonThein"  wrote:

Another similarity that my husband pointed out was that they were both part
of a huge commercial industry with many, many people producing lace
exclusively for sale.

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RE: [lace] What do bobbin and needle lace have in common?/Needlelacerevival

[DevonThein]

Nancy writes: But needle lace and bobbin lace deserve to be treated together,
in a show such as yours for example, because of the first point above, and
because they are functionally similar enough (in spite of fundamental
structural differences) that they can be combined harmoniously (Duchesse with
Point de Gaze inserts, for a historical example).

Another similarity that my husband pointed out was that they were both part of
a huge commercial industry with many, many people producing lace exclusively
for sale.

Devon

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Re: [lace] What do bobbin and needle lace have in common?/Needlelace revival

[N.A. Neff]

Devon,

I propose that they are the two major forms of handmade, historically
important lace, forms with which the general public is not familiar and
doesn't know how to make, even in very general terms. Other than that, I
agree with the implication of your question -- they don't share anything
except what they share by virtue of being forms of lace.

But needle lace and bobbin lace deserve to be treated together, in a show
such as yours for example, because of the first point above, and because
they are functionally similar enough (in spite of fundamental structural
differences) that they can be combined harmoniously (Duchesse with Point de
Gaze inserts, for a historical example).

Nancy
Connecticut, USA


On Mar 31, 2018 13:43, "DevonThein" wrote:

... Now I have the intellectual problem that the only thing that bobbin and
needle
lace had in common were that they were once made in white and looked very
similar at that time, converging ...  Now that they are
not made in white, what do they have in common?

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Re: [lace] What constitutes Gros Point?

[Ilske Thomsen]

Devon, 
after my knowledge what you describe is named Point de Venice à relief.

Ilske

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Re: [lace] What constitutes Gros Point?

[Carolina de la Guardia]

Devon, I understand that Point of Venice would be a an appropriate term, as
a generic term.


Yesterday I was reading from the ipad so I could not access easily to the
information. Now from my desktop here there are other links:

Gros Point of Venice 17th. cent
http://www.museocaprai.it/collezione_scheda.php?idc=2

Point Plat of Venice  20th. cent.
http://www.museocaprai.it/collezione_scheda.php?idc=175

Point of Venice
http://www.museodelmerletto.it/001-Merletti-Italiani/001-Venezia-e-Burano/007-punto_venezia.html

This is a Point of Venice slightly raised, dated about 17th. cent.
http://chambredescouleurs.france-i.com/8542

Regards from Barcelona.


Carolina de la Guardia
http://www.carolgallego.com

2017-03-02 14:17 GMT+01:00 :

>  But as this piece is dated to the 17th century, would the term Point de
> Venise be appropriate? Is Point de Venise a generic term or does it imply a
> date as well?
>
> A concern that I have is that people looking for Point Plat, an unusual
> lace, would be disappointed to be directed to this lace.
>
> Devon
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RE: [lace] What constitutes Gros Point?

[devonthein]

Carolina and Jean are suggesting that Point Plat is the correct term. Gon says
that she would call it Point de Venise a relief, “because there is a small
relief around the motives. In the Point de Venise Plat there is no relief at
all.”
Gon echoes a feeling that I have about it. I think of Point Plat as a rather
rare lace. The lack of a finished edge around the motifs is very noticeable.
In fact, it may be rather hard to achieve. But in this piece There is a
buttonholed relief around the edges of the motifs. The relief around the
motifs seems more like what you would see in what I would call Point de Venise
such as was being made in the late 19th early 20th century for table linens.
As such this structure is a very common one, not rare. But as this piece is
dated to the 17th century, would the term Point de Venise be appropriate? Is
Point de Venise a generic term or does it imply a date as well?
A concern that I have is that people looking for Point Plat, an unusual lace,
would be disappointed to be directed to this lace.
Devon

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Re: [lace] What constitutes Gros Point?

[Gon Homburg]

Hello Devon,

I think you get all kind of possibilities. I would call it Point de Venise à 
relief, because there is a small relief around the motives. In the Point de 
Venise plat there is no relief at all. Of course the reliefs in the Point de 
Venise a gros relief the reliefs around the motive are really thick.


Gon Homburg in a windy and rainy Amsterdam, The Netherlands



> Op 2 mrt. 2017, om 12:03 heeft Jean Leader  het volgende 
> geschreven:
> 
> On 1 Mar 2017, at 21:46, devonth...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> If this is not Gros Point, what would you call it, or
>> what would you be searching if you were looking for it.
> 
> Devon,
> 
> I would call it Point Plat - see at the bottom of the page on my website at 
> https://www.jeanleader.net/lacestyles/venice.html
> 
> Jean in sunny Glasgow
> 
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> www.jeanleader.net
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Re: [lace] What constitutes Gros Point?

[Jean Leader]

On 1 Mar 2017, at 21:46, devonth...@gmail.com wrote:

>  If this is not Gros Point, what would you call it, or
> what would you be searching if you were looking for it.

Devon,

I would call it Point Plat - see at the bottom of the page on my website at 
https://www.jeanleader.net/lacestyles/venice.html

Jean in sunny Glasgow

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Re: [lace] What constitutes Gros Point?

[cadega2]

I understand that it is which in Italian is called "punto piatto de Venice",
it could be translated as Flat Point of Venice.
Museo Arnold Caprai, has some illustrating examples and could be seen the
differences between Gros Point and Flat Point.
http://www.museocaprai.it/collezione_ricerca.php?epoca==1=1
7=6

Greetings from Barcelona

Carolina de la Guardia


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http://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/212424?sortBy=Relevanceft
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Re: [lace] What size thread?

[Brenda Paternoster]

It’s Honition so  you need a very fine thread, but Honition more than other
laces is fairly flexible in the thickness of thread used because if it starts
looking thin you add another pair, if it starts looking overcrowded you take a
pair out.

If you are thinking of it more as a Milanese piece try to measure the
(average) spaces between the pins and refer to the chart ao
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/lace/threadsize/threadsize.html


Brenda


> On 5 Nov 2015, at 13:50, Witchy Woman  wrote:
>
> Never found the source of the bobbin lace angel on TatMan's blog, so I
drafted
> out the pattern and would like to start to wind bobbins.   But the question
> is,  what size thread?
>
>
> I drafted it at the same size as the picture on
> http://tat-man.net/blog/?p=1210 .
Approximately 3 inches tall.
>
>
> I changed it
> slightly into more of a tape lace once you get past the head.  Using half
> stitch and cloth stitch for  the head and face,  and Hinojosa kernel stitch
> for the headband.  Will probably use Hinojosa or Milanese braids for the
body
> and wings.  Figuring those out now.

Brenda in Allhallows
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Re: [lace] What media constitues Lace

[Brenda Paternoster]

In the board scheme of things any textile constructed with decorative holes is
lace, but if there are specific sub-categories  then I would say that hairpin
crochet should be in the crochet class - and similarly a Shetland lace shawl
would be in the knitting class etc.

If the work is good and it’s compared to things like crochet afghan blankets
etc then it’s probably to the advantage of the hairpin piece.

> On 5 Sep 2015, at 03:57, c...@fastmail.us wrote:
>
> She specifically asked me if Crocheted Hair Pin Lace
> should be in the Lace or Crochet Category.  I'm at a loss since I would
> consider it crocheted, but there are other "lacy" crochet designs that I
> have seen. Plus all the Knitted Lace.  I am searching for an opinion
> here.

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RE: [lace] What media constitues Lace

[Lorri Ferguson]

At the fair where I work, the Washington State Fair,  if the piece is done
with yarn it goes in the Crochet Class and if it is done with finer thread
then it goes in the Crochet/Lace class.  The same is true of larger yarn
Knitting -it goes in the Knitting Class, but if it is done with fine 'lace
yarn' or thread it goes in the Knit/Lace class.
Hope this helps, if you need further info (like the classes used at the Wash.
State Fair) just let me know.
Lorri

> Subject: Re: [lace] What media constitues Lace
> From: paternos...@appleshack.com
> Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2015 08:51:56 +0100
> CC: lace@arachne.com
> To: c...@fastmail.us
>
> In the board scheme of things any textile constructed with decorative holes
is
> lace, but if there are specific sub-categories  then I would say that
hairpin
> crochet should be in the crochet class - and similarly a Shetland lace
shawl
> would be in the knitting class etc.
>
> If the work is good and it’s compared to things like crochet afghan
blankets
> etc then it’s probably to the advantage of the hairpin piece.
>
> > On 5 Sep 2015, at 03:57, c...@fastmail.us wrote:
> >
> > She specifically asked me if Crocheted Hair Pin Lace
> > should be in the Lace or Crochet Category.  I'm at a loss since I would
> > consider it crocheted, but there are other "lacy" crochet designs that I
> > have seen. Plus all the Knitted Lace.  I am searching for an opinion
> > here.
>
> Brenda in Allhallows
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Re: [lace] What media constitues Lace

[Anna Binnie]

Hairpin crochet is crochet since it can be done with fine thread say 
forming a handkerchief edge or it can be done in thick yarn to form a 
sweater or cardigan. It is the same technique and out in OZ it has 
always been classed as a separate crochet technique.


Anna from a cloudy Sydney where it is supposed to be Spring!

On 6/09/15 4:46 AM, Lorri Ferguson wrote:

At the fair where I work, the Washington State Fair,  if the piece is done
with yarn it goes in the Crochet Class and if it is done with finer thread
then it goes in the Crochet/Lace class.  The same is true of larger yarn
Knitting -it goes in the Knitting Class, but if it is done with fine 'lace
yarn' or thread it goes in the Knit/Lace class.
Hope this helps, if you need further info (like the classes used at the Wash.
State Fair) just let me know.
Lorri


Subject: Re: [lace] What media constitues Lace
From: paternos...@appleshack.com
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2015 08:51:56 +0100
CC: lace@arachne.com
To: c...@fastmail.us

In the board scheme of things any textile constructed with decorative holes

is

lace, but if there are specific sub-categories  then I would say that

hairpin

crochet should be in the crochet class - and similarly a Shetland lace

shawl

would be in the knitting class etc.

If the work is good and it’s compared to things like crochet afghan

blankets

etc then it’s probably to the advantage of the hairpin piece.


On 5 Sep 2015, at 03:57, c...@fastmail.us wrote:

She specifically asked me if Crocheted Hair Pin Lace
should be in the Lace or Crochet Category.  I'm at a loss since I would
consider it crocheted, but there are other "lacy" crochet designs that I
have seen. Plus all the Knitted Lace.  I am searching for an opinion
here.


Brenda in Allhallows
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Re: [lace] What is a vectorized lace pattern?

[Brenda Paternoster]

The images I see after typing Vectorised lace into Google look like computer
versions of hand drawn lace.  Not photographic images of lace (hand or
machine) and not prickings/[atterns for making lace.  In many ways they remind
me of the Johann Hrdlicka design book reproduced by the Lace Guild some years
ago.


 On 6 Mar 2015, at 16:21, Maureen maur...@roger.karoo.co.uk wrote:



 Typed Vectorised lace pattern in Internet it came up with lots of images of
Vector lace patterns and listed them as Vector seamless lace patterns. Looks a
bit like machine made Lace.  Be interested to hear what anyone else thinks.

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Re: [lace] What is a vectorized lace pattern?

[Maureen]

Hi

Typed Vectorised lace pattern in Internet it came up with lots of images of 
Vector lace patterns and listed them as Vector seamless lace patterns.  Looks a 
bit like machine made Lace.  Be interested to hear what anyone else thinks.

Maureen
E Yorks UK 

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Re: [lace] What is a vectorized lace pattern?

[Amanda Babcock Furrow]

Vectorized doesn't refer to the lace or to the pattern.  It refers to 
the computer image.

Any lace pattern you scan in can be converted to a vectorized image.
A vectorized image is one that is saved in the computer as a set of
drawing instructions - lines and arcs and such - instead of a set of 
pixels.  That way it can be resized arbitrarily big without ever becoming
blurry.

The search results for vectorized lace pattern mostly bring up stock
photo sites, because people paying for stock images care whether they
are vectorized or not.  If the results look like machine lace, that reflects
the preferences of the stock image buying and selling crowd :)

Amanda in Philly

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 I have been asked what a vectorized lace pattern is. I have no  idea what 
 it is. Does anyone know?
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Re: [lace] What is a vectorized lace pattern?

[Maureen]

Thank you, I thought my search was too simple.

Maureen
E Yorks

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Re: [lace] What bobbins shall i buy?

[Karen ZM]

Brian - in the case of Maltese, and probably also Spanish lace, we would
not dream of using spangled bobbins. Our traditional pillows are upright.
In Malta we have a bolster type pillow that it wider at the top. The
Spanish use a similar pillow which is then flat at the back (I prefer it
because it doesn't roll against the table as ours often do).
In days gone by, there would be bobbins of different sizes to compensate
for the thickness of the thread, but spangles would definitely hinder our
methods of working and slow us down tremendously, although we do not have
swings in traditional Maltese lace.
Another reason is the way we work. With spangled bobbins on a flat pillow,
one would tend to 'lift and place' the bobbins, whereas we tend to
'flick' them from hand to hand, palms down. The Italians who work Cantu and
in Idrija, they tend to work palms up and also have lots and lots of
sewings, so spangles would hinder them.
So, in my case, my spangled bobbins are mainly prized for display in my
showcase :-)
Karen in Malta

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Re: [lace] What style of bobbins to buy?

[Joke Sinclair]

Dear all, 
If you don't know what bobbins to go for, buy the bobbins you love the look of. 
I was used to continental bobbins, but I loved the look of the spangled Midland 
bobbins. So I bought 10 pairs and spangled them myself. When I first used them 
I thought I made the biggest mistake, I didn't like working with them.  Now I'm 
used to both of them. 

Joke in Glasgow enjoying the Commonwealth Games

Sent from my iPhone

 On 29 Jul 2014, at 18:42, hottl...@neo.rr.com wrote:
 
 Hello All!  I'm going to take a stab at answering Jeri's question  my answer 
 is geared toward beginners.  First--consider borrowing bobbins from a 
 lacemaking friend.  Easier said than done, but you won't know unless you ask. 
  Second--it won't matter what style bobbin you buy if you only buy a few!  
 Resist the impulse to acquire gobs of bobbins because they are less expensive 
 in bulk.  When I started, the bobbin seller said to pick the ones that felt 
 right in my hands.  When you are not experienced, they all feel the same!  
 It's hard to know until you've made several patterns, by which time you have 
 used bobbins.  It's easier to sell/give a few bobbins to your friends if 
 you find they aren't right for you after the fact.  Third--beware the 
 creative bias of fellow lacemakers or bobbin sellers.  Their favorite bobbin 
 won't necessarily be yours.  Been there, done that.  Fourth--to roll or not 
 to roll, that is the question.  My bobbin vendor emphasized rolling bobbins, 
 pro!
 ba!
 bly because they work best for the type of lace she makes.  When you find a 
 favorite lace style, that may well determine one or more appropriate bobbin 
 styles.  Fifth--your lace taste/sensibilities will change over time.  Your 
 arthritis may flare up when you least expect.  Or you end up out of sync  
 out of style where your favorite lace/favorite bobbins go the way of your 
 favorite pair of bellbottoms!  Sixth--with all due respect to Continentals, 
 Midlands or other fancy bobbins create the biggest stir at a lace demo 
 event.  They are like magnets in a crowd!  Consider owning a few as an 
 investment in advertising your art on your demo pillow.  May I also add that 
 I am grateful to Clay for hosting a Garage Sale table at Lace At Sweet Briar. 
  It has given me a chance to divest myself of bobbins  other lacemaking 
 equipment that I will never use again at a fair price.  Hope this helps 
 anyone with bobbin procurement issues!  Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Erie, PA USA
 
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Re: [lace] What Style of Bobbins to Buy?

[lynrbailey]

Dear Jeri, et al,
I agree with Elaine Merritt and add the fact that you can get basic continental 
bobbins for $1 per.  The only real drawback is that some people complain that 
they roll.  Then, enter the square bobbin, although I don't really think that 
is necessary.  Midlands bobbins are incredibly beautiful, but if the purpose of 
bobbin lacemaking is to make lace, and not to use Midlands bobbins, the 
continentals win.  In my opinion.  And it is certainly a matter of opinion. 
Since I use continentals exclusively, I can say nothing on the speed of 
lacemaking. 

Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where the weather has been unseasonably 
pleasant for this time of year. Not too hot, little rain, been going on for 
weeks.  OK, I was away for the heat wave, but still, only one real heat wave,  
Remarkable. 


Via Jeri, Elaine Merritt wrote:
Regarding bobbin shapes, I love to collect Midlands bobbins, but there is  
no doubt in my mind that a lacemaker who is working for her living will be 
able  to make lace faster using continental bobbins which are all the same 
size and  weight.  I think the varying shapes of continental bobbins have 
been  determined by the type of lace being made, the thickness of the thread, 
the  shape of the pillow and therefore the way the bobbins are handled.  The  
varying Belgian shapes, differing as they do for Rosaline, Duchesse, 
Bloemwerk,  Michelin, etc. are examples of this.   Elaine Merritt 
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have eve...

[J D Hammett]

Hi Clay and fellow Arachnids,

You are much admired Clay for taking on such a difficult piece. If it is the 
lace I think it is the diagram may run to 4 pages, this is a  piece of 
Binche lace is VERY fine and intricate. I saw a series of ten or twelve 
pieces like this in Brugge a few years back. They were beautiful! I am not 
surprised you chose to do one (or more) of these. Your other piece of Binche 
is 'other-worldy'. As beautiful as the antique piece of Fairy-Binche I have 
in my collection (4 inches (10 cm) diam.


Joepie, East Sussex, UK


-Original Message- 
From: Clay Blackwell



This isn't the biggest piece of lace I've ever worked, but it is right
up there with the hardest!! .
..The piece is The Jerusalem Church, which is part of the Lieflijk
Brugge folio of designs by the Kantcentrum Masterclass...
.. I have reached the bottom of
the second page of the diagram, and will be especially happy when I have
finished working the tree on the left...

The link to FLICKR is  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/with/11970822886/ 

Clay

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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have eve...

[Clay Blackwell]

Thank you, Jopie!  Yes, I suspect you are thinking of the right pieces of lace! 
 I worked another piece in the group last year, and a photo is also in my 
Flickr set.  The diagram is printed on a large (A) sheet of paper which, when 
folded, is A-4.  In spite of the large size of the paper, it still requires 
both sides to print the entire diagram!  This is true for all of the designs is 
Lieflijk Brugge.   I chose to make working copies of the diagram, and it 
takes three ledger-size pages to get it all!  By the time I've finished the 
project, those three pages are worn out!

Clay


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 On Jan 16, 2014, at 5:21 AM, J D Hammett jdhamm...@msn.com wrote:
  If it is the lace I think it is the diagram may run to 4 pages, this is a  
 piece of Binche lace is VERY fine and intricate. I saw a series of ten or 
 twelve pieces like this in Brugge a few years back. They were beautiful! I am 
 not surprised you chose to do one (or more) of these. Your other piece of 
 Binche is 'other-worldy'. As beautiful as the antique piece of Fairy-Binche I 
 have in my collection (4 inches (10 cm) diam.
 
 Joepie, East Sussex, UK
 
 

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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have ever done?

[Ilske Thomsen]

Hello Sof,
when I saw the topic above in the discussion I thought immediately on you and 
your doll as you introduced it to me before the OIDFA congress in Caen. And 
when we meet there I told you that I don't think the tour Eiffel is a doll, do 
you remember ;-)))
But it's a big  and lovely work. Once more congratulation.

I am still thinking what mine was or is? My dress or my other piece of clothing 
which was very unhandy to work. Sorry folks I can't let you see what I am 
writing of before end of april.

Ilske

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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have eve...

[Sue Babbs]

We look forward to seeing it finished and framed at Sweet Briar this year. 



Sue

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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have eve...

[Clay Blackwell]

Good luck on that one!!!  But lace makers at LASB may be there when I do 
actually finish it...  Now that must make everyone rush to sign up!!!  (VERY 
big grin!)

Clay

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 We look forward to seeing it finished and framed at Sweet Briar this year. 
 
 Sue
 
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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have ever done?

[Vila Cox]

This is my most challenging lace project so far.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/warpedandwonderful/8310332097/
overall it is 20 x 33
there are 8 strips sewn together to fill the center
took about 9 months to complete.

Vila Cox
Warped  Wonderful   http://www.warpedandwonderful.com
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Warped-Wonderful-Handwoven-Treasures/241360532566599

On 1/11/2014 3:05 PM, Celtic Dream Weaver wrote:

I am curious as to what people have made out there in Lacingland that you
would call the ultimate piece of lace you have ever made or felt good about
when finished.
For me it was the Thistle Bookmark that I entered in the
state fair this year. I worked on that on and off for years. In the begining I
wasn't sure I could master the piece...but I did. Not saying I am an expert
because I am not and do not feel comfortable in starting laces. I still need a
book. I don't know what my next piece of lace will be yet.
I have still
been painting and just finished up my last Christmas bobbin painting. There
were started before the end of last year and I didn't want to have them just
sitting around unfinished. You can see the Santa bobbin on my blog URL in
signature. Check them out.
So what do I want to put on my pillow and work
on right now. ...well...maybe a Bucks point snowman ornament. It is in
octagonal in shape and I have never done one like that...so thinking about
itI also have been thinking of what lace I want to make to enter in the
state fair next month. I do have an idea...that has been perculating in my
brain.
The only laces I have on pillows right now is  two continous laces.
One is a simple Bucks point edge and the other is a shamrock Torchon edge. It
has been so long since I have touched the Torchon edge that I am not sure how
to do it but I think I have notes somewhere. Unlike many lacers...I didn't
learn Torchon as my first lace but Bucks point from Bridget Cooks VHS tape I
had.
Anyhow...back to my question for all of you...What is your Ultimate
piece of lace have your made and felt good about when  finished??
Wind To Thy
Wings,
Sherry
New York, US of America
celticdreamwe...@yahoo.com
http://celticdreamweaver.com/
http://celticdreamweave.blogspot.com/
Nata 616

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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have ever done?

[Catherine Barley]

Wow!  That's beautiful.  Well done you!

Catherine Barley
UK

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This is my most challenging lace project so far.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/warpedandwonderful/8310332097/
overall it is 20 x 33
there are 8 strips sewn together to fill the center
took about 9 months to complete.

Vila Cox
Warped  Wonderful   http://www.warpedandwonderful.com
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Warped-Wonderful-Handwoven-Treasures/241360532566599



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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have ever done?

[Carolyn Salafia]

Omg. What threads used?

Carrie drooling

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 On Jan 14, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Vila Cox v...@warpedandwonderful.com wrote:
 
 This is my most challenging lace project so far.
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/warpedandwonderful/8310332097/
 overall it is 20 x 33
 there are 8 strips sewn together to fill the center
 took about 9 months to complete.
 
 Vila Cox
 Warped  Wonderful   http://www.warpedandwonderful.com
 http://www.facebook.com/pages/Warped-Wonderful-Handwoven-Treasures/241360532566599
 
 On 1/11/2014 3:05 PM, Celtic Dream Weaver wrote:
I am curious as to what people have made out there in Lacingland that you
 would call the ultimate piece of lace you have ever made or felt good about
 when finished.
For me it was the Thistle Bookmark that I entered in the
 state fair this year. I worked on that on and off for years. In the begining 
 I
 wasn't sure I could master the piece...but I did. Not saying I am an expert
 because I am not and do not feel comfortable in starting laces. I still need 
 a
 book. I don't know what my next piece of lace will be yet.
I have still
 been painting and just finished up my last Christmas bobbin painting. There
 were started before the end of last year and I didn't want to have them just
 sitting around unfinished. You can see the Santa bobbin on my blog URL in
 signature. Check them out.
So what do I want to put on my pillow and work
 on right now. ...well...maybe a Bucks point snowman ornament. It is in
 octagonal in shape and I have never done one like that...so thinking about
 itI also have been thinking of what lace I want to make to enter in the
 state fair next month. I do have an idea...that has been perculating in my
 brain.
The only laces I have on pillows right now is  two continous laces.
 One is a simple Bucks point edge and the other is a shamrock Torchon edge. It
 has been so long since I have touched the Torchon edge that I am not sure how
 to do it but I think I have notes somewhere. Unlike many lacers...I 
 didn't
 learn Torchon as my first lace but Bucks point from Bridget Cooks VHS tape I
 had.
Anyhow...back to my question for all of you...What is your Ultimate
 piece of lace have your made and felt good about when  finished??
 Wind To Thy
 Wings,
 Sherry
 New York, US of America
 celticdreamwe...@yahoo.com
 http://celticdreamweaver.com/
 http://celticdreamweave.blogspot.com/
 Nata 616
 
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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have ever done?

[Vila Cox]

I used 40/2 linen from Webs http://www.yarn.com/  It's more of a weaving 
yarn than for lace, but it worked.  I wove a piece of cloth with it for 
another runner that I made the lace edge from the same linen.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/warpedandwonderful/8311368508/in/photostream/lightbox/

Vila Cox ~ Warped  Wonderful
http://warpedandwonderful.com/
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Warped-Wonderful-Handwoven-Treasures/241360532566599
https://twitter.com/warpedandwonder

On 1/14/2014 10:57 AM, Carolyn Salafia wrote:

Omg. What threads used?

Carrie drooling

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 14, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Vila Cox v...@warpedandwonderful.com wrote:

This is my most challenging lace project so far.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/warpedandwonderful/8310332097/
overall it is 20 x 33
there are 8 strips sewn together to fill the center
took about 9 months to complete.

Vila Cox
Warped  Wonderful   http://www.warpedandwonderful.com
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Warped-Wonderful-Handwoven-Treasures/241360532566599


On 1/11/2014 3:05 PM, Celtic Dream Weaver wrote:
I am curious as to what people have made out there in Lacingland that you
would call the ultimate piece of lace you have ever made or felt good about
when finished.
For me it was the Thistle Bookmark that I entered in the
state fair this year. I worked on that on and off for years. In the begining I
wasn't sure I could master the piece...but I did. Not saying I am an expert
because I am not and do not feel comfortable in starting laces. I still need a
book. I don't know what my next piece of lace will be yet.
I have still
been painting and just finished up my last Christmas bobbin painting. There
were started before the end of last year and I didn't want to have them just
sitting around unfinished. You can see the Santa bobbin on my blog URL in
signature. Check them out.
So what do I want to put on my pillow and work
on right now. ...well...maybe a Bucks point snowman ornament. It is in
octagonal in shape and I have never done one like that...so thinking about
itI also have been thinking of what lace I want to make to enter in the
state fair next month. I do have an idea...that has been perculating in my
brain.
The only laces I have on pillows right now is  two continous laces.
One is a simple Bucks point edge and the other is a shamrock Torchon edge. It
has been so long since I have touched the Torchon edge that I am not sure how
to do it but I think I have notes somewhere. Unlike many lacers...I didn't
learn Torchon as my first lace but Bucks point from Bridget Cooks VHS tape I
had.
Anyhow...back to my question for all of you...What is your Ultimate
piece of lace have your made and felt good about when  finished??
Wind To Thy
Wings,
Sherry
New York, US of America
celticdreamwe...@yahoo.com
http://celticdreamweaver.com/
http://celticdreamweave.blogspot.com/
Nata 616

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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have ever done?

[Janis Savage]

This is quite beautiful Vila.
While on Flickr, I took the opportunity to look at your other photos of 
your lace and weaving too. It is all quite inspiring.

Janis in South Africa

On 2014/01/14 04:37 PM, Vila Cox wrote:

This is my most challenging lace project so far.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/warpedandwonderful/8310332097/
overall it is 20 x 33
there are 8 strips sewn together to fill the center
took about 9 months to complete.



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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have ever done?

[The Lacebee]

I love the flickr site and I do find it inspirational however there are two 
things that immediately came to me when I read Clay's answer.

Firstly, I've never posted to Flickr 

Secondly, I made pieces of lace and gave them away as presents long before I 
started to take photos of my lace because  Hushed gasp, they were made when 
you had to buy film and get it developed and I couldn't afford to do that each 
time.  

So, ok, I must start posting to Flickr but also am I interested in some of the 
older pieces that may or may not still be available to make but are interesting 
in the descriptions of the challenges and how they were overcome.

L

Kind Regards

Liz Baker

 On 11 Jan 2014, at 22:27, Clay Blackwell clayblackw...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 The answer to this question can be *seen* if you go to the Flickr website 
 which Arachne members use to post their latest and greatest!  It is full of 
 stunning work!  

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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have ever done?

[David C COLLYER]

Sherry,

   I am curious as to what people have made out there in Lacingland that you
would call the ultimate piece of lace you have ever made or felt good about
when finished.


Mine would have to be the large edging in Toender which I made a few 
years ago. The pricking was very skew-whiff and that's all there was to go by.

I'm really proud of that piece. Shame the cat had to go and piss on it.
David in Ballarat, AUS

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RE: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have ever done?

[Agnes Boddington]

David, have you not trained the cat?
My most challenging piece is still on the pillow: Wisteria Hankie Edging.
It is a Bedfordshire pattern which was trued up by Christine Springett, and
I started it on her course last May.
Since then it has been sitting there, and I stare at it, and think: one day
I am getting you finished.
One more comment: Christine does the most wonderful enlarged working
diagrams. 
Agnes Boddington - Elloughton UK

I'm really proud of that piece. Shame the cat had to go and piss on it.
David in Ballarat, AUS

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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have ever done?

[Clay Blackwell]

Please, Mary!  Can you add pictures to Flickr?   Your work sounds superlative!

Clay


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 On Jan 12, 2014, at 3:06 PM, mary carey d...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 The framed piece came back to Sydney for the 25 yr Exhibition in the Foyer of
 State Government House and now hangs off our wall.  Dad returned it to me when
 he moved in with other family.
 
 The Guardian Angel has been on the pillow for some years now - might add
 finishing it to the list of activities for 2014.
 
 Good luck everyone with your finishing activities this year.
 
 Mary Carey
 Campbelltown, NSW, Australia

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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have ever done?

[Clay Blackwell]

Hi Sherry!

The answer to this question can be *seen* if you go to the Flickr website which 
Arachne members use to post their latest and greatest!  It is full of stunning 
work!  

I might add that greatness is not measured in size alone.  There are lots of 
relatively small pieces which are breath-taking!

To see the Arachne pictures on Rlickr, search for Flickr with your search 
engine.  To sign in, the user name is arachne2003.  The password is LaceMaker1.

Enjoy your visit, and if you want to upload your own work, I can help you with 
that.

Clay

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 On Jan 11, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Celtic Dream Weaver celticdreamwe...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:
 
I am curious as to what people have made out there in Lacingland that you
 would call the ultimate piece of lace you have ever made or felt good about
 when finished. 
For me it was the Thistle Bookmark that I entered in the
 state fair this year. 

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Re: [lace] What is the biggest and the hardest piece of lace you have ever done?

[laura forrester]

The biggest piece I have done as in the most bobbins is still under wraps at
the moment.  
 
The biggest piece size-wise would have to be the 160 cm long
scarf I completed last year in Thai silk from one of the Dutch books...cannot
put my hands on it right now.  
 
The most difficult piece was a Barbara
Underwood workshop piece...my skill level was well below that required for the
workshop, and there are plenty of mistakes, but it is still my favourite
piece.  
 
The most challenging was the collar I designed for the 2012
Triennial Awards in Australia.  The piece was based on the Dorethea  McKellar
poem My Country and getting the threads to do what I wanted was a
challenge.  Due to the 'mistakes', I almost did not send it, but my group of
ladies convinced me that after all the work, I should...it won the bobbin lace
section, which still surprises me.  I must admit, after seeing it displayed on
Louise Colgan's shoulders in photos late last year, I have now worn it several
times and am liking it much better lol
Back to lurkdom for now...life is just
too hectic at the moment - said coming to the end of 9 weeks off work :(

Warm
regards,
 
Laura @++ De Bruyn
 
laura_ros...@yahoo.com
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[lace] RE: [LACE] what to see/visit in Nice

[sally13nmex]

Hello everyone,
 
In 2009 or 2010 I think it was, I spent a few weeks in Nice .  One afternoon
I went to a nearby hill village, Grasse, that is particularly celebrated for
perfume.  I found a small museum at the top of the village near the main
road with a beautiful display of local costumes and lace.  There was supposed
to be another museum in the village, an official village museum with lace at
the bottom of the village near the train station but, as I had spent so much
time in the costume museum, I never made it to the bottom of the town. 
 
I took a bus from the central bus station in Nice using information that I
could read on a large board.  I knew from my language school that any bus
ride cost 1 euro.  It took a long time for the bus to reach Grasse.  I
suspect the local train would have been faster but the bus ride was very
scenic.
 
My experience with French museums is that the best ones are in villages or
small towns. I have found them to have the most interesting collections of
stuff with a surprising amount of lace.  There was one in Saintes that was
fascinating, and the way in was to first ring a bell by pushing a button on
the gate opening onto the street.  The gate was not locked.  One could
easily open it up as we did at first, walk up to the door, and peer in the
window at a y oung woman at a desk in the foyer, but that did not get the door
open.  There was a tiny sign on the door that said something about la
grille and la sonnette.  Discouraged, walking out the gate again, I turned
around to look longingly at the museum, and only then noticed a doorbell
button on the gate.  Aha!  A lightbulb turned on in my brain .  I pushed
the button, and voila, the young lady got up from her desk and opened the
door for me in a most friendly way.
 
Sally Schoenberg
Bellingham Washington
 

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re: [lace] what to see/visit in Nice, France or the nearby area

[lynrbailey]

Dear Susan,
Thank you so much for these two websites.  I am trying to keep a list of lace 
places to see, and Cogne is a new one.  The Le Puy website is new to me, 
although I have been there.  It is a lovely website with lots to see.  I saw it 
in 2007, and I can attest that at that time the campground was very nice, and 
not far from the lace shop and museum.  

Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where the recent snow makes everything 
very bright in the sunshine.  

Susan wrote:
Le Puy is a beautiful place, with a fine exhibition hall, next year (June
to December) the theme is 'The finest circus costumes' -
http://www.ladentelledupuy.com/index.php?page=diaporama not to mention
Lacemakers in the street one week-end in June, and the 'couvige' or lace
day the first week-end in October.

Having said that, Le Puy may not seem very far from Nice, but by train
you're thinking in terms of seven hours, with at least two changes...

At a mere 120 Km from Nice, across the border in Italy, Cognes keeps alive
the tradition of Alpine lace:
http://www.dentellieres.com/Musee/Cogne/cogne2.htm (site in French, but the
photos speak for themselves)  Cognes and Nice are twin-towns, but I don't
know if there's a train...


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Re: [lace] what to see/visit in Nice, France or the nearby area

[Dmt11home]

Of course the best way to travel to Le Puy is not by train or  car, but by 
foot with a scallop shell slung around your neck :-)
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Way_of_St._James#Medieval_route

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Re: [lace] what to see/visit in Nice, France or the nearby area

[Susan Vossier]

No, no, you *leave *from Le Puy for Compostella, having been first blessed
in the cathedral, and taking with you a stick, a cape and your pilgrim's
pass - and you gather the scallop shell from the beach at Compostela and
bring it back to prove you've been there!


2013/12/12 dmt11h...@aol.com

  Of course the best way to travel to Le Puy is not by train or car, but
 by foot with a scallop shell slung around your neck :-)

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Way_of_St._James#Medieval_route




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Re: [lace] what to see/visit in Nice, France or the nearby area

[Susan Vossier]

Nice - Lyon is four and a half hours if you get a direct train, five if you
change at Marseille, Aix or Avignon.
The days of the absolute punctuality of French trains are in the past; my
son had to spend a night in the youth hostel in Nice this year, because all
the trains that accepted bikes had been cancelled the day he had booked due
to some trouble elsewhere...



2013/12/11 dmt11h...@aol.com

  Arlene's question is a difficult one, requiring not only a knowledge of
 lace tourism, but also of French train routes. I have only visited the lace
 areas around Le Puy, including Retournac and Brioude in a car, something I
 wrote about in the Bulletin several years ago. In a car, it was difficult
 enough with some connecting roads so minimal that they were only barely
 indicated on the map.

 Although I do not understand the French train system I am inclined to
 believe that all the trains radiate from Paris and that inter-city
 transport may be much harder. However, from what I hear, these trains from
 Paris are practically time machines. On the theory that it might be easier
 to go to a major city, one located between Nice and Paris, may I suggest
 Lyon, the second largest city in France, and a noted center for silk
 manufacture, an historical specialty of the city. It is possible to go to a
 silk center and see the jacquard looms. In addition to that the Musee des
 Tissus (Michelin 3 star textile and decorative arts museum) in Lyon has a
 small, but very satisfying and very high quality display of lace in it, or
 at least it did when I was there a few years ago. (Always good to contact
 the museum in advance...)

 Devon




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Re: [lace] what to see/visit in Nice, France or the nearby area

[Dmt11home]

Arlene's question was: 
 
Anything possible to see as a day trip via train/bus that  a
not-so-brave traveler who does not speak French could possibly get to? 
 
I am afraid that my true feeling  about this is that the  answer is no, 
especially now that Susan has told us that Lyon is 4 1/2 hours  away. I think 
that it would be much nicer to explore the non-lace related sites  around 
Nice, kicking back on the Corniche, than to take courage in hand and ride  a 
train for 4 1/2 hours to seen a single display window of lace in Lyon. For 
one  thing, as a veteran of many trips to museums with lace collections, the 
chances  that the point of the trip will be totally frustrated by 
circumstances beyond  your control is always very present. For instance, there 
was a 
transit strike in  Lyon the day I was attempting to visit. On the day I went 
to the V  A, the  lace room was closed, at another museum the curator had a 
cold and hadn't come  in. So a pilgrimage that involves 9 hours of train 
riding could very likely  result in Arlene arriving just as the museum closes 
for some unknown purpose,  and she finds herself standing outside it 
thinking about how she could have  enjoyed another day in the environs of Nice. 
I 
usually think it is best if you  time these kinds of museum visits with an 
extra day so that if things go  sideways on the first try you can have another 
bite at the apple. 
One example of the kind of minor blip that can throw off an  ambitious trip 
is that, as I recall, it took a while to realize that taxis in  Lyon are 
all radio cabs, so you can't hail one, and in fact would have  to equip 
yourself ahead of time with the phone number of a radio cab  service, telephone 
a 
number to tell someone in French where you are so they  can pick you up, 
which means you have to be able to describe the location in  French. I have a 
vivid memory of my husband and myself walking to the point of  exhaustion in 
Lyon, then spotting the actual office of a radio taxi business,  staggering 
in and pleading for a cab. This was not the day of the transit  strike, by 
the way, but a normal day.
 
Devon

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re: [lace] what to see/visit in Nice, France or the nearby area

[Susan Vossier]

Hi Arlene and everyone,

Let's imagine you were on a trip and you ended up in Nice, France,
and you have an extra day before you leave.  Is there anything lace related
in that city?

Le Puy is a beautiful place, with a fine exhibition hall, next year (June
to December) the theme is 'The finest circus costumes' -
http://www.ladentelledupuy.com/index.php?page=diaporama not to mention
Lacemakers in the street one week-end in June, and the 'couvige' or lace
day the first week-end in October.

Having said that, Le Puy may not seem very far from Nice, but by train
you're thinking in terms of seven hours, with at least two changes...

At a mere 120 Km from Nice, across the border in Italy, Cognes keeps alive
the tradition of Alpine lace:
http://www.dentellieres.com/Musee/Cogne/cogne2.htm (site in French, but the
photos speak for themselves)  Cognes and Nice are twin-towns, but I don't
know if there's a train...

If you need more local information when - if -  plans crystallize, get in
touch!

On entirely different subjects - a big thank-you to Jean Leader for the
Advent calendar - and the link to the new Pat Read book; and also to
another Jean, Jean Eke for her beautiful rabbit animation, which I have
shared with my French lacemaking friends.

Sue in Montélimar, France, where we've had several sunny days WITHOUT WIND!

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Re: [lace] what to see/visit in Nice, France or the nearby area

[Dmt11home]

Arlene's question is a difficult one, requiring not only a  knowledge of 
lace tourism, but also of French train routes. I have only visited  the lace 
areas around Le Puy, including Retournac and Brioude in a  car, something I 
wrote about in the Bulletin several years ago. In a car, it was  difficult 
enough with some connecting roads so minimal that they were only  barely 
indicated on the map.
 
Although I do not understand the French train system I am  inclined to 
believe that all the trains radiate from Paris and that inter-city  transport 
may be much harder. However, from what I hear, these trains from  Paris are 
practically time machines. On the theory that it might be easier  to go to a 
major city, one located between Nice and Paris, may I suggest Lyon,  the 
second largest city in France, and a noted center for silk manufacture, an  
historical specialty of the city. It is possible to go to a silk center and see 
 
the jacquard looms. In addition to that the Musee des Tissus (Michelin 3 
star  textile and decorative arts museum) in Lyon has a small, but very  
satisfying and very high quality display of lace in it, or at least it did when 
 
I was there a few years ago. (Always good to contact the museum in 
advance...) 
 
Devon

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Re: [lace] What would you call this lace?

[Bev Walker]

Hello Vickie and everyone

At a glance, it looks early 20th century, machine made. The gathered corner
suggests it came from a manufactory or workshop, where lengths of it were
made. The deeply hemmed fabric part could have been hand-done. I can't tell
from the photos (or my screen?) if attaching the lace was hand done.

I would call it generic vintage, not knowing anything else.
Just my two pins' worth :)

On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 6:40 AM, Vickie Green vic.stitc...@yahoo.comwrote:


 The pics are under my set Vickie in Va.

   May I ask your opinion on what type
 lace to classify this piece?



-- 
Bev not making much lace lately with grandson visiting in Shirley BC, near
Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada

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Re: [lace] What makes a good thread for bobbin lace?

[Brenda Paternoster]

As you say any thread can be used for bobbin lace, but some are better than 
others!

First of all the thickness *has* to be compatible with the scale of the 
pricking.

Secondly, for some people the direction of the twist makes a lot of difference. 
 Because BL has more twists (right over left) than crosses (left over right) 
working at speed will tend to tighten a Z twisted thread but loosen an S 
twisted thread.  Some people like to stick to Z twisted for that reason, though 
personally I don't have a problem with either direction.

Thirdly, the number of plies in a thread makes a difference.  2-ply will 
flatten and bed into the other threads a lot more than a 3-ply thread which 
will stay rounder.  Thus 2-ply thread makes a softer, drapier lace than 3-ply 
thread.  6-ply threads (usually 3 x 2-ply spun together) will remain very firm 
and round and will make a firm, even harsh, feeling lace.  Good for table mats 
but not so good to wear.

Fourthly the fibre used to make the thread makes a big difference.  Linen is 
crisper than cotton, silk as softer especially if it's spun silk.   
Reeled/filament silk is very shiny and slippery which means that it can be 
difficult to control.  Rayon threads are usually very shiny and slippery too 
and anything glittery/metallic is usually very quite hard and scratchy when 
made up.  Used mainly in small amounts for effect.  Novelty/textured yarns have 
a place for modern lace but they can be difficult to work with.  Cotton and 
linen will launder better than other fibres.

Last, but certainly not least, there is colour to consider.

In the end the choice of which thread to use comes down to personal preference 
based on the end use of the lace being made.  SO long as it is the right 
thickness for the pricking - and available in your part of the world - anything 
can be used if you like the finished effect.

Brenda

On 9 Jun 2013, at 15:15, Arlene Cohen wrote:

 Recently, I've been playing around
 with some variegated thread on a bobbin lace design.  Did the same small
 design with three different types of threads, all coming from my needlework
 stash and not threads that I had ever thought to use on lace before.  (I tend
 to be a traditionalist of mostly white and ecru lace pieces.)  An
 interesting experiment in color that got me thinking:  what makes a good
 thread for bobbin lace?  Would there be any particular quality (twist, sheen,
 etc.) that you think is better than not to have?  

Brenda in Allhallows
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

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Re: [lace] What makes a good thread for bobbin lace?

[Arlene Cohen]

Thank you so much, Brenda, for responding to my post.  I love, love, love your
thread book and refer to it constantly.  I appreciate the details you wrote
out and I, too, have printed out this post and will keep it in my copy of your
book.

To get a little more detailed, I think the reason I started pondering
this is that one of the threads I was using is called Painter's Thread - all
of their colors are named for famous artists, this one is Kandinsky - Soie de
Paris.  The thread is made in Germany and I met the woman who I think is the
US wholesaler (?) for it at the ANG (American Needlepoint Guild) Seminar last
summer.  I bought a few of her finer threads, this Soie de Paris being one of
them.  The package lists two websites:  www.tentakulum.de and
www.paintersthreads.eu  .  I didn't see this silk thread or this company
listed in Brenda's book, but it could be that it is actually some other silk
thread that is just dyed by this company.

So, when I was doing my little
bobbin lace motif, all half stitch, I was having a hard time with the thread
really loosening.  In looking in the intro of your book, I noted the Z-twist
and S-twist info.  And yet, studying this thread, it really does look like a
Z-twist, not an S.  2-ply.  So, that got me thinking about whether this thread
was really up to the challenge of bobbin lace.  Worked fine and all for my
little experiment, but why was it loosening?  Then, one of the other threads I
was using was a Caron Waterlilies (which is in Brenda's book), which was
working just fine and not really loosening or tightening in any way, is an
S-twist.  Of course, I do realize Brenda's words are just about the tendency
of a thread and not that every single one will act one way or another.

So, if
anyone has any thoughts about the Painter's Thread and why it was loosening so
significantly on me, I would be interested.  I was doing the same motif, same
stitches, same bobbins, three different times with three different threads and
it was very interesting to see how they worked differently.

Many thanks,
Arlene in NJ

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re [lace] what kind of lace is this

[Witchy Woman]

Lorelei wrote:  At that time period Genoa was making bobbin lace, similar in 
style to reticello. And some of those leaf shapes and triangles in the painting 
seem to have 3 raised ridges in them, not 2. For  needlelace you would expect 2 
ridges. But for bobbin lace one would expect 3 ridges. 


The leaf shapes were the reason I asked the question.  They looked like 
something that might be made with bobbins.

Thanks to everyone who replied, both on the list and by e-mail.  As always I 
learned something new.  I love the sound of  the words Punto in Aria / Stitches 
in Air...what a wonderfully poetic description for beautiful lace.  I've also 
decided that I'd like to try a needle lace calls at this year's Ithaca Lace 
Days.

One last question.  Is Reticella pronounced retichella (ch as in check), 
retishella (sh as in shell) or retisella?

Peg
in warm Fairview Park OH...porch-sitting days are here!

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Re: [lace] What kind of lace..?

[Bev Walker]

Hello Liz and everyone

Excellent to bring this up. This is a painterly trick, 'painting negative
space' - one way to deal with the illusion, to show a three-dimensional
object on a flat piece of paper! For the painter who doesn't make lace, it
is probably easier to paint the holes, than to try to copy the lace.

I do not know the artist of our example but some would have technicians who
would paint details, facial features, clothing, shading, and background,
all under the supervision of the master-artist who would sign the work when
finished.
Perhaps this artist had an expert lace-painting technician :)

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Elizabeth Ligeti lizl...@bigpond.comwrote:

 One of the books, (I forget which one, sorry.) mentions that  one painter -
 Peter Paul Rubens, I think, - painted the holes in the lace, not the lace
 itself!


-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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Re: [lace] What kind of lace is this?

[lbuyred]

I will stick my neck out and say that I think it looks like Reticella too.  
What does everyone else think?
Liz R, Raleigh, NC
 Witchy Woman wytchy...@sbcglobal.net wrote: 
 I did find one picture with beautiful lace...Portrait of a Woman by 
 Cornelis 
 Janssen van Ceulen, painted in 1619.  I think it's Reticella, but not sure. 

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Re: [lace] What kind of lace is this?

[The Lace Bee]

I would agree as the two main laces of that period were reticle la and punto in 
aria (which I think predictive text has just changed the name of again but it's 
late and I'm too tired to fight).

So, I'd say Reticella.

Kind Regards

Liz Baker

On 7 Apr 2013, at 23:59, lbuy...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 I will stick my neck out and say that I think it looks like Reticella too.  
 What does everyone else think?
 Liz R, Raleigh, NC
  Witchy Woman wytchy...@sbcglobal.net wrote: 
 I did find one picture with beautiful lace...Portrait of a Woman by 
 Cornelis 
 Janssen van Ceulen, painted in 1619.  I think it's Reticella, but not sure. 
 
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Re: [lace] What kind of lace is this?

[Lyn Bailey]

Dear Peg,
We are to get your weather tomorrow.  We have plans to weed the strawberry 
patch.  Not fun, but needed.  I think you should make the lace near the 
picture whether you know the name or not.  I love to make lace in beautiful 
places.  By a lake, in view of a mountain, by a river, in a park.  Never got 
it together to make it in a museum, but that's a great idea, surrounded by 
beautiful things.  I half think that the lace improves, regardless of the 
skill of the lacemaker.  It certainly is not the only place I make lace, but 
I look for it.  I will never forget riding my bicycle with the pillow, stand 
and chair strapped on, from the campground to the nearby lake in Maine, with 
mountains plunging into the lake and making lace in beautiful sunshine.  It 
simply adds to the whole thing.  I leave it to others to identify the lace. 
I haven't a clue.  Lyn



I did find one picture with beautiful lace...Portrait of a Woman by 
Cornelis
Janssen van Ceulen, painted in 1619.  I think it's Reticella, but not sure. 
My

plan is to take a small pillow and work on lace near her picture.  I want to
make sure I have the right name for the lace.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Portrait_of_a_Woman_by_Cornelius_Janssen_van_Ceulen,_1619_-_Cleveland_Museum_of_Art_-_DSC08862.JPG

Peg
in sunny Fairview Park OH where the sun is shining, the birds are singing 
and

the temperature is actually seasonal...finally!

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Re: [lace] What kind of lace is this?

[Lyn Bailey]

I was looking at the picture.  I suspect one could copy the lace from what 
is in the picture, although I don't know enough about needlelace to be sure. 
If the artist was so concerned with the lace that he paints it so 
exquisitely, it must have been important not only to him, but to his subject 
and to the viewers.  lrb


Unfortunately, a lot of the pictures that have detailed lace
are no longer on exhibit.  I did find one picture with beautiful 
lace...Portrait of a Woman by Cornelis

Janssen van Ceulen, painted in 1619.  I think it's Reticella, but not sure.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Portrait_of_a_Woman_by_Cornelius_Janssen_van_Ceulen,_1619_-_Cleveland_Museum_of_Art_-_DSC08862.JPG

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Re: [lace] What kind of lace is this?

[Bronwen of Hindscroft]

I am almost 100% sure it's reticello and punto in aria.

All of the elements are very much in keeping with the time, and the
patterns of the late 1500's to early 1600's.  And now, you've got me
thinking I might do this for a friend, rather than the pattern I was going
to do for a partlet.  It's a nice pattern than the one I was looking at,
and gives more variety in stitches, so I won't get bored making it as fast
as the other one.

Bronwen
in Colorado Springs, where today was in the 60's, and Tuesday is supposed
to be a high of 34*F and snowing.  (Gotta love spring in the Rockies)



 I did find one picture with beautiful lace...Portrait of a Woman by
 Cornelis
 Janssen van Ceulen, painted in 1619.  I think it's Reticella, but not
 sure.  My
 plan is to take a small pillow and work on lace near her picture.  I want
 to
 make sure I have the right name for the lace.


 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Portrait_of_a_Woman_by_Cornelius_Janssen_van_Ceulen,_1619_-_Cleveland_Museum_of_Art_-_DSC08862.JPG





-- 

It is sometimes the most fragile things that have the power to endure and
become sources of strength.
- May Sarton

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Re: [lace] What is a flash drive

[nestalace . carol]

Hello Arachnids All,

Well - thanks for the information, to all of you who have replied!    I realise 
I do have a memory stick for the laptop, but didn't associate it with a flash 
drive - my mind was working on cameras, at that point!

As someone once said, America and the UK are two countries divided by one 
language ...

Carol - in North Norfolk, UK


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Subject: [lace] What is a flash drive

Some people have asked what a flash drive is. It is a data  storage device 
sometimes called a memory stickso  that you have something to handle it by and 
so you don't lose it.

Devon

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Re: [lace] what is is?

[David C COLLYER]

Laurie,


Anybody recognize this thing? Ebay #221200831052.


While I haven't seen one in that shape, I'd say it's an antique 
version of a bobbin tree - something I can't live without.

David in Ballarat, AUS

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Re: [lace] What is it?

[scotlace]

When I looked at the picture my first reaction was that is was a kind of
needle holder for an embroiderer using several colours.  By having needles
threaded in the required colours it was quick and easy to switch.


Modern holders are flat and, I think, magnetic.  I've only seen them in
photographs but they are designed for a quick change from one colour to
another.

Patricia in Wales




That translation seems to imply it was a scissor type of needle holder.  The
points of the needles seem to pushed in to a piece on the scissors, and to
get one out - one opens the scissors, and removes a needle.

Very odd!!!

Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz.
lizl...@bigpond.com

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Re: [lace] what is it?

[David C COLLYER]

At 11:33 PM 28/01/2013, Laurie Waters wrote:

I'm completely stumped. What is this? Ebay item 230919293913


Laurie,
it looks like it must be some sort of tool to help with sewings I'd reckon.
David in Ballarat, AUS

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Re: [lace] what is it?

[Ilske Thomsen]

Laurie,
if you enlarge it are Maltese crosses to see. But the photo isn't good enough 
to see the rest clearly.

Ilske

Am 28.01.2013 um 13:33 schrieb Laurie Waters:

 I'm completely stumped. What is this? Ebay item 230919293913
 
 Laurie
 
 http://lacenews.net
 
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Re: [lace] what is it?

[Adele Shaak]

Lyn wrote:

 The points at the end with the eye give pause.

When I was studying embroidery, at one point I needed to couch gold threads to
cover a large surface area. I developed a technique where I used a needle with
the point on the same end as the eye to do faster and more accurate couching
than is possible by the way that is usually explained in books.

Working from the back, I pushed the needle part-way through the cloth so it
stuck out on the right side. Then I passed the decorative thread I was
couching between the trailing thread and the needle, then pulled the needle
back through the cloth. I used sewing machine needles because those were the
only ones I could find that were pointed at the eye end, and they worked
really well.

Perhaps this rig did something similar, several rows at a time.

Adele
North Vancouver BC
(west coast of Canada)

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Re: [lace] What is it?

[Bev Walker]

Hello Liz and everyone

Oh that Bing ;)
When I read the title, Ciseaux Aiguilles de Dentellière ... etc. I
translated that as Needlelace Scissors, rare and unusual.
In the later description, 'old' is added...
Then this is intriguing:
En creux Breveté SGDG et REPAI??. Bel état. possibly Engraved with
the patent/licence SGDG and REPAI?? [hard to read on the tool?!]. Good
condition.

They look like a specialty tool from a textile manufactory.

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Elizabeth Ligeti lizl...@bigpond.comwrote:

 I put the French explanation into my Bing Translator and came up with :-

  Old scissors needle holder lacemaker. Not found and unusual.  Make of
 that what you will!!

 That translation seems to imply it was a scissor type of needle holder.
  The
 points of the needles seem to pushed in to a piece on the scissors, and to
 get one out - one opens the scissors, and removes a needle.

 Very odd!!!

 --
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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RE: [lace] What thread and/or pattern would you use?

[Maureen]

Good morning

I also agree with Jane.My daughters both chose ivory for their wedding
dresses but I would have thought that one of them would have chosen white as
she is dark haired and has quite an olive coloured skin.   It all depends on
the dress that they see and like at the time, and of course, can afford.
I made both of them a garter but after they announced they were getting
married.The eldest daughter gave us five weeks notice of the wedding and
the garter was made up using 80 fil a dentelles in white with a blue pair
down the edge of the fan.The lace was torchon and my own design. I
could work a strip of it in about two evenings and finally finished it
within three weeks. She did have fairly slim legs as she was only a size 8
at the time, and still is.   I was working full time them.  My younger
daughter gave us over a year's notice of her intention to marry.Again
the pattern was torchon of my own design, but I worked this in silk this
time, can't remember the actual thickness of the thread but it would have
been the equivalent of 30 retors (now 30 madeira cotona) and took longer.
It is an off white colour with a blue pair on the edge of the fan.

So I made the decision of what to make after they announced the date of
their wedding.Had all sorts of plans of making edges for a Honiton veil
during their childhood, but it was just as well that I didn't because it
would probably have been done in white and wouldn't have suited.Plus at
least one veil was pure silk, and I would have been reluctant to put cotton
made lace on it as I prefer to keep like fibre with like fibre.

Maureen
E Yorks UK where the snow has all but gone, temperatures are now about 8C
and it is threatening to rain.

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Re: [lace] What thread and/or pattern would you use?

[Sue Babbs]

I think the design used in the latest IOLI is beautiful - have a look at 
that


Sue

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Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:08 PM

Today my DD Leah turns 16.  I want to start making the
lace for her wedding gown.  http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ 


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Re: [lace] What thread and/or pattern would you use?

[Clay Blackwell]

There is a lovely Tønder pattern called Little Hearts that begs to be 
used for a wedding.  There is a similar pattern in Bucks as well.  I 
know that Little Hearts is in the Skovgaard book which has long been 
out of print, and Rebecca is a similar design which is found in Stott 
and Cook's 100 Traditional Bobbin Lace Patterns.


Clay


On 1/26/2013 4:08 PM, Susie Rose wrote:

Hello to One and All!

Today my DD Leah turns 16.  I want to start making the
lace for her wedding gown.  I've looked at so many patterns that I can't think
anymore. I've been checking patterns for about 6 months. Does anyone have any
suggestions as to patterns to use and the thread.  I've done all kinds of lace
but torchon is my favorite.




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Re: [lace] What thread and/or pattern would you use?

[Valerie Stewart]

Susie I am having the same problem picking something for my Grandaughter.
I
will be watching this thread closely
 


From: Susie Rose susierose_89...@yahoo.com
To: Arachne lace@arachne.com
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:08 PM
Subject: [lace] What thread  and/or
pattern would you use?
  
Hello to One and All!

Today my DD Leah turns 16.  I
want to start making the
lace for her wedding gown.  I've looked at so many
patterns that I can't think
anymore. I've been checking patterns for about 6
months. Does anyone have any
suggestions as to patterns to use and the
thread.  I've done all kinds of lace
but torchon is my favorite.

 
Hugs,
 
Susie Rose   

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Re: [lace] What thread and/or pattern would you use?

[Carol]

 Hi Susie, 
I too wanted to make lace for my youngest daughter's future wedding but neither 
she nor I had any idea what kind of dress she would want and so I began yardage 
for a wedding veil when she was still in high school.  I chose a torchon 
pattern about 2  wide and used Metler 60/2 cotton thread. Over the next 5 
years I made 8 yards. I used all but 13 when I made the veil.  I also made her 
garter and lace for a hanky.  Finally I made a square mat that was open in the 
center for the bridal pillow and after the wedding I took the mat off the 
pillow and put a picture of the bride and groom in the center, framed it and 
gave to the bride and groom. 
There are lots of ways to use lace in a wedding besides on the dress.
It is a very rewarding endeavor and I'm sure you will enjoy making lots of lace 
for your daughter. 
Best Regards,
Carol Melton
Valley of the Sun
Phoenix, AZ. USA
where it has been raining off and on for 2 days. We have had almost 1 and 1/4. 
 It is supposed to be wet until Tuesday and then clear off. If this keeps up 
the desert will have a profusion of wild flowers in the spring!!!

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Re: [lace] What I am working on.

[Clay Blackwell]

Liz, my dear...   You've left us all in the dust!  Of course, I've had the 
privilege to meet you, in person, and to see your lace, and so that comes as 
no surprise to me to see your WIPS!

Your agenda certainly reminds me of how different your experience of the 
Holidays is, and what a culture shock this has been for Helen, who couldn't 
have chosen a (much) colder climate in the US to settle in!!!

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 27, 2012, at 7:11 PM, Elizabeth Ligeti lizl...@bigpond.com wrote:

 I have  the mat with the trident edge that I was asking about, still half
 done, and on the pillow, ready to be worked on!
 
 I will take my little travel pillow on holidays with me, and that has a
 Cluny Edge using only about 12 pairs, but it looks like an Early lace
 design. Comes from the little blue Cluny book, by Rutgers.
 
 Then in needlelace I have a Puncetto square half done, an Eastern
 Mediterranean knotted lace mat half done, an outline being laid, some filet
 lace ready to start, etc!!
 
 The NL pieces I can take on holiday also.  I might do some Filet lace in the
 boat while DH sits fishing!  I will no doubt be more productive -
 though, to be fair, he usually catches enough for a meal each day!  Inland
 waters, I hasten to add, - so no under- swell to make me sea-sick!!!   Just
 a pretty lake and river within the bounds of a national park, and some farms
 along the banks, with lots of birds, and flowers. Very relaxing.  
 
 I might even bring out my UFO patchwork, and hand sew some bits of fabric
 together!!! That works Ok in the boat, too, as does the East Med knotted
 lace!
 
 So I have a variety of things to do - the only ones that I can see to work
 without a big magnifier, and I can't take that on holiday, so that is when
 these others come out to be worked on!!
 
 Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz
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Re: [lace] What Arachne is

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HAPPY BIRTHDAY AVITAL!
Sallie in Wyoming, USA

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On Nov 2, 2011, at 1:21 PM, Jane Partridge jpartri...@pebble.demon.co.uk 
wrote:

 I agree entirely with what Alice has said - I'm also a member of two face 
 book lace pages.
 
 Whilst we are all busy thanking Liz and Avital for their work, can we also 
 all wish Avital a very HAPPY BIRTHDAY today?
 
 In message 137dff15-d112-4279-9e72-61f05cd18...@azsnaps.com, Carol 
 ca...@azsnaps.com writes
 Thank you Alice for explaining Arachne to all of us, the newbies needed this 
 information and we who have been on Arachne a long time need a reminder from 
 time to time.Even though I don't talk much I do read most of the posts 
 and I can't tell you must how much I have enjoyed  all of the information 
 I've garnered in the 15 years or so that I've been mostly lurking.  Thank 
 you Liz and Avital for making  it all possible.
 It seems to me that if there are those who think having a site on  ping 
 would be just the ticket for lacemakers, then someone with the knowledge of 
 how it works should start it.  I'm quite sure there is room on the internet 
 for one more lacemakers resource.
 
 Best Regards,
 Carol Melton
 Valley of the Sun, Phoenix, AZ  USA
 
 Arachne is a GIFT to the lacemakers of the world by Liz.  The base service, 
 Majordomo, can only do certain things, but has been doing them very well 
 for however many (17? 18?) years.  It is an email forum that allows us to 
 communicate and learn from each other. It   is text only.  Liz has 
 maintained and paid for this service all   this time without asking the 
 members for anything.  We don't own Arachne.  We just get the privilege 
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Re: [lace] What are you doing?

[Agnes Boddington]

Hi Nita
The material I am using is 70% baby alpace, 25% silk and 5% cashmere.
My lace teacher warned me about stretching, but on testing (i.e. stretching 
a length of it),
it does appear not to be that stretchy; whether it is the silk that makes it 
less so, I do not know.

The showl should be about 25cm wide and 150cm long when finished.
I have done just under a quarter, but now work has taken over again, and I 
do not have a lot of time at the
moment. So, I think it is going to be a Christmas present next year, though 
I'll d my best to try and get it finished

in time for this year.
Will keep you up to date, and when finished will post a photo on Webshots.
Agnes Boddington
Elloughton UK


I've thought about  using a merino silk blend to make a scarf (Jaeger 
spun Zepher) but I was worried it might stretch too much when  finished. 
When I was first knitting with alpaca, my daugher - who is  an 
accomplished spinner - told me that it has a tendency to stretch  more 
than wool (if I'm remembering correctly).  So, I am quite  interested in 
how your shawl turns out and how much stretch  occurs  over time.


Nita Ross
Calgary AB Canada
At Pudsey lace fair I bought a kit to make a shawl in Torchon lace, 
using baby Alpaca wool mix.


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Re: [lace] What are you doing?

[Guilmette Helene]

I am currently working on a scarf (from Brigitte Bellon's book).  I initially
used alpaca but had a very difficult time since the alpaca was thinning when
pulling on it or trying to do a sewing.  Also, I have to admit, I did a lot of
retrolacing and this contributed to the thinning of the tread.  After the
breaking of a few treads, I decided to use linen instead.
Maybe using a blend with silk might solve the problem - I was using 100%
alpaca and would not recommend it.

Hélène from Ottawa, Canada


On 2011-10-31, at 9:33 PM, Bob Ross wrote:

 I've thought about  using a merino silk blend to make a scarf (Jaeger spun
Zepher) but I was worried it might stretch too much when finished.  When I was
first knitting with alpaca, my daugher - who is an accomplished spinner - told
me that it has a tendency to stretch more than wool (if I'm remembering
correctly).  So, I am quite interested in how your shawl turns out and how
much stretch  occurs over time.

 Nita Ross
 Calgary AB Canada
 On 28-Oct-11, at 10:19 AM, Agnes Boddington wrote:

 Well, I was doing some Chantilly sample pieces, but have put this pillow to
one side for the time being.
 At Pudsey lace fair I bought a kit to make a shawl in Torchon lace, using
baby Alpaca wool mix.
 The colour of the wool is variegated in peacock colours. Ever since she was
a little girl, my daughter has been obsesses with peacocks, and often buys
clothing, earrings etc. in their colours.
 So I am trying to get this shawl done for her as a Christmas present, not
sure whether that will be this Christmas or the next one.

 Agnes Boddington
 Elloughton - UK
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Re: [lace] What are you doing?

[Bob Ross]

I've thought about  using a merino silk blend to make a scarf (Jaeger  
spun Zepher) but I was worried it might stretch too much when  
finished.  When I was first knitting with alpaca, my daugher - who is  
an accomplished spinner - told me that it has a tendency to stretch  
more than wool (if I'm remembering correctly).  So, I am quite  
interested in how your shawl turns out and how much stretch  occurs  
over time.


Nita Ross
Calgary AB Canada
On 28-Oct-11, at 10:19 AM, Agnes Boddington wrote:

Well, I was doing some Chantilly sample pieces, but have put this  
pillow to one side for the time being.
At Pudsey lace fair I bought a kit to make a shawl in Torchon lace,  
using baby Alpaca wool mix.
The colour of the wool is variegated in peacock colours. Ever since  
she was a little girl, my daughter has been obsesses with peacocks,  
and often buys clothing, earrings etc. in their colours.
So I am trying to get this shawl done for her as a Christmas  
present, not sure whether that will be this Christmas or the next one.


Agnes Boddington
Elloughton - UK
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Re: [lace] what are you doing...

[Maureen Bromley]

Well there is so little to do on the Honiton piece, you could finish that 
very quickly. How about that one after you have finished the piece of 
'christmas' lace.


Anbd personally I like more than one piece on the go at a time, it gives you 
chance to move around.


Maureen
E Yorks

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Re: [lace] what are you doing...

[Witchy Woman]

Last Thursday I finished the Isis Heart I started in Ithaca.  GEEZ!!! Are the
mistakes ever glaring.  But it was a VERY good learning piece.  Thanks,
Jacquie!

Doodling while waiting for Beloved to get off work yesterday I came
up with a 
tape lace heart that spirals in on itself.  Thought it would be
perfect 
for Milanese...did the pricking last night and will be winding the
bobbins for 
it today.  Also setting up my smaller pillow for a Christmas
ornament for my 
soon-to-be mother-in-law.

My next big project, after the
holidays, is a Unitarian Universalist chalice in 
Milanese for the church I go
to.  Playing with designs now.  The archway braid 
would be perfect for the
flame part of it.

Peg
in sunny, but chilly, Cleveland Heights OH, where the
birds are playing in the 
bushes outside the window.

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Re: [lace] what are you doing...

[J D Hammett]

Hi Arachnids,

At present I am racking my brain to think of something to do for the 
Christmas exchange. I am also working -very slowly- on a dragon's face for 
my son. I have taken a drawing out of a design book of dragons (The Big Book 
of Dragons) and am working it directly onto the drawing as a free-lace with 
some Milanese techniques in coloured silk and glitter threads. It was to be 
for this Christmas, but I am sure it will have to be either for his birthday 
in March if I can get a wriggle on. Alternatively it will have to be next 
Christmas. Don't know yet as I am designing (and cutting out bits again if I 
don't like them) as I go. I have just finished a ammonite in Idrija lace in 
white with a nacre-like thread worked together. This was my demo piece as 
Idrija is worked with very few pairs (as few as 5 pairs) and I can let 
people have a go on my own pillow as well as the trial pillow. Many find it 
thrill to have a go on a real pillow with nice bobbins.  Now I have to set 
up a new piece for the next demo as well.


The other things I am working on is Kumihimo (teaching myself from Jacquie 
Carey's book) and the old Viking trollen wheel (which is like a simple form 
of Kumihimo). Then I am going to try some card weaving for our Medieval 
re-enactment. So much to learn and so little time!


Happy lace making,

Joepie, East Sussex, UK

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Re: [lace] what are you doing...

[Sue Duckles]

Evening all

Well I would answer this question but it depends on which  
pillow I have a beginner piece of honiton on the smallest pillow,  
a piece of 'christmas' lace on the next one up, a bedfordshire motif  
with gimps, rolled tallies, a nine pin edge and leaves on a third  
pillow which was started with Christine back in May, and another piece  
of beds on a 4th pillow which I started with Christine 18 months ago!!


Now while the 2 beds pieces and the honiton sunflower have been  
residing on their respective pillows, I've finished a lace garter for  
my daughters wedding which was in september, and another piece of  
christmas lace so I could see how the pattern turned corners!!


One day I will get them all finished, but there will always be at  
least two or three things on the go!!!


Sue in EY

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Re: [lace] What do you have attached to your working pillow?

[laceviolins_52]

My CAT. She loves the pins and pulls them out with her teeth! 

Becca 



Looking through pictures from various lace days I find my eye tends to 
wander off the lace and to the background - is that a cross stitch cover 
cloth? Where can I get a . like that? Is that a bobbin holder? New style 
of pillow? It has made me wonder - what do you have attached to your 
working pillow? 



Hugs 

Jenny Brandis 

Kununurra, Western Australia 

je...@brandis.com.au 

www.brandis.com.au 

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Re: [lace] What do you have attached to your working pillow?

[Clay Blackwell]

I have a lovely quilted cover made by a dear friend, which I was lucky 
enough to win in a raffle!  It was designed as a wall hanging, but is 
the perfect size to cover my pillow, and makes me smile whenever I look 
at it!


Clay

On 4/7/2011 5:06 AM, Jenny Brandis wrote:

Looking through pictures from various lace days I find my eye tends to
wander off the lace and to the background - is that a cross stitch cover
cloth? Where can I get a . like that? Is that a bobbin holder? New style
of pillow?  It has made me wonder - what do you have attached to your
working pillow?



Hugs

Jenny Brandis

Kununurra, Western Australia

je...@brandis.com.au

www.brandis.com.au

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RE: [lace] What do you have attached to your working pillow?

[Gray, Alison J]

what do you have attached to your
working pillow?


I've got a little turned wooden pot about two and a half inches deep and an 
inch across which has a spike on the bottom to stick into the pillow.  It's 
very useful for holding a pin pusher, or a crochet hook when I need to do lots 
of sewings.My daughter bought it for me from a craft fair which didn't have 
anything else for sale to do with lace making.  I have been wondering about 
what it might really have been made for apart from on a lace pillow?  Any ideas?

Alison in Colchester, Essex, UK where it's a beautiful spring day, warm and 
sunny and I'm stuck in an office!  Anyway the forecast is for a good weekend, 
so I'm looking forward to that. 

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Re: [lace] What do you have attached to your working pillow?

[bev walker]

Hello Alison and everyone

I have one of those too, given to me by a dear lace friend. It is
handy for crafts that require tools at hand in one place, and they are
a nice little project for the wood-turner to make. The spike can go
into a pincushion, a lace pillow or a brick of foam, for instance.
Mine is in a pincushion away from the pillow else I will knock the
contents over.

How boring, nothing apart from the work is attached to my lace pillow right now!

On 4/7/11, Gray, Alison J ag...@essex.ac.uk wrote:
 what do you have attached to your
 working pillow?


 I've got a little turned wooden pot about two and a half inches deep and an
 inch across which has a spike on the bottom to stick into the pillow. ...  I 
 have been
 wondering about what it might really have been made for apart from on a lace
 pillow?  Any ideas?

-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west
coast of Canada

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RE: [lace] What do you have attached to your working pillow?

[Noelene Lafferty]

What's on my working pillow?A real (but dead) red back spider encased in
Perspex, in form of a button, in honour of Arachne.  I was told the old
saying was if you have a spider on your pillow, your thread's wont break.

It was bought for me by my son (who knows about Arachne) the day our family
cat died.   He spied a man in a shopping centre selling them that day, and
told the seller I'll have one of those for my Mum - her cat just died and
it will cheer her up.   He got a very strange look.

Noelene in Cooma
nlaffe...@ozemail.com.au

  It has made me wonder - what do you have attached to your
 working pillow?

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Re: [lace] What are we working on (was lace:testing)

[Sue Duckles]

I've got 3 projects on the 'pillows' at the moment

1 (the most important...) a wedding garter for my daughter, and I wish  
they'd make a decision on the date so I knew if I could do anything  
else alongside it!!  It's one of Biggins patterns, white with silver  
and blue 'rope style' fans and trails at the edges


2 a piece of Bedfordshire - actually the first of 4 corners of a  
hankie - one of Christine Springetts designs


3 a piece of honiton that's having the filling done.  Haven't touched  
it since the end of November (lots of snow and couldn't get it out of  
the car, Christmas and aforementioned daughter announcing her  
engagement!)


When the garter is finished then there's a fertility hankie for the  
same wedding heading on to a pillow!!



Sue in a dull but dry East Yorkshire

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