[LU] Disgrace.
United can confirm the club has received an acceptable offer forJonny Howsonfrom Norwich City. The club has reluctantly accepted the offer on the basis that the player only has six months of his current contract remaining and has expressed a desire that he would like to play Premier League football at the earliest opportunity. The club has been in discussions with the player about a new contract at Elland Road for more than 12 months, but he has been steadfast in his position that he would like the opportunity to play Premier League football and on that basis Jonny hasn't felt in a position to commit himself to Leeds United at this moment in time. The player would be able to leave on a free transfer at the end of his current contract. While accepting the offer on Tuesday the player has still to agree terms with Norwich and we are disappointed the matter has become public at this stage. Sent from my iPhone. Dr Michael Benjamin. Community Psychiatrist. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
This is why I am not renewing my season ticket. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
[LU] Lambert or Grayson
Because of the difference we are selling them our stars and giving a trial to their rejects. MS is one thing but the par between the two managers is highly significant and critical. The fact that Grayson has not only not got a team but not a team spirit or seemingly personal loyalty. No player with any ambition would play for him and forgo his justifiable ambition. Fed up to the back teeth. What a fucking mess and it's not over by a long way. Grayson must go now. A new manager with seven million to spend or demonstrations against the present management. Sent from my iPhone. Dr Michael Benjamin. Community Psychiatrist. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Transfer activity
I don't enjoy it because of the club's owner. So like Duncan Bannatyne, I'm ooot. On 18 January 2012 08:10, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.ukwrote: If you enjoy going to the match, meeting your mates, cheering/shouting/crying at the football, then go. If you don't enjoy it, don't go. Deciding whether to go based on the clubs owner is just stupid (both ways). ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
What an absolute joke! Lifelong fan, grew up seeing Elland Road out of his bedroom window. Club captain and even he can't wait to jump ship. Says everything we need to know about this administration :( On 18 January 2012 09:32, Jim Moran j...@jimmoran.co.uk wrote: This is why I am not renewing my season ticket. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
I also agree that he is hardly a world beater - but in this squad at least he has had to do the donkey work, and we probably haven't seen the best of him. EXTREMELY disappointing but I'm not in the slightest surprised - if he hadn't signed a new contract with just 5 months left he was never going to and was always off. As for a replacement, please please let it NOT be Alan Smith... -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Mark Humphries Sent: miércoles, 18 de enero de 2012 10:44 To: 'Lee Jones'; 'Jim Moran' Cc: 'Leeds List'; 'Dr. Michael Benjamin.' Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace. Confidencialidad Este correo electrónico y, en su caso, cualquier fichero anexo al mismo, contiene información de carácter confidencial exclusivamente dirigida a su destinatario o destinatarios y propiedad de Vodafone España. Queda prohibida su divulgación, copia o distribución a terceros sin la previa autorización escrita de Vodafone España, en virtud de la legislación vigente. En el caso de haber recibido este correo electrónico por error, se ruega notificar inmediatamente esta circunstancia mediante reenvÃo a la dirección electrónica del remitente y la destrucción del mismo. Confidentiality The information in this e-mail and in any attachments is classified as Vodafone España Confidential and Proprietary Information and solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s). You are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication is prohibited without the prior written consent of Vodafone España and is strictly prohibited by law. If you have received this communication in error, please, notify the sender by reply e-mail. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Lambert or Grayson
On 18 January 2012 20:35, Dr. Michael Benjamin. beden...@gmail.com wrote: A new manager with seven million to spend You're avin a larf. -- Alec McQueen 0418 328967 ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Lambert or Grayson
Yes And a good cry. Sent from my iPhone. Dr Michael Benjamin. Community Psychiatrist. On 18 Jan 2012, at 11:52, Alec McQueen alec...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 January 2012 20:35, Dr. Michael Benjamin. beden...@gmail.com wrote: A new manager with seven million to spend You're avin a larf. -- Alec McQueen 0418 328967 ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
It was meant entirely at the owner rather than Howson. If he is being offered peanuts (compared to other player at the top of the Championship) and sees no sign of investment in the squad and possibility for promotion in the coming seasons, who can blame him for wanting out? My point was that for our captain and life long leeds fan to want out shows the kind of shambles KB is running. On 18 January 2012 09:46, Alec McQueen alec...@gmail.com wrote: The only disgrace here is the lack of commitment from the Leeds owner to chase promotion. I don't think we should criticise a player wanting to play at the highest level. If we want to keep our best players, then we MUST get promoted (very unlikely to happen until after the funeral) Alec On 18 January 2012 20:37, Lee Jones em...@leedjones.co.uk wrote: What an absolute joke! Lifelong fan, grew up seeing Elland Road out of his bedroom window. Club captain and even he can't wait to jump ship. Says everything we need to know about this administration :( Alec McQueen 0418 328967 ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
-Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Lee Jones Sent: 18 January 2012 09:37 To: Jim Moran Cc: Leeds List; Dr. Michael Benjamin. Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace. What an absolute joke! Lifelong fan, grew up seeing Elland Road out of his bedroom window. Club captain and even he can't wait to jump ship. Says everything we need to know I can't help thinking all this criticism against journeymen isbollocks when I read this. footballers are all journeymen. Good luck to him. Eric ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
Lets get real people. Howson has been on the fringes of the England squad and wants to play in the premier league. It is not (just) about the money, Howson knows he could play there next season. The only choice Leeds have here is whether to not accept an offer, hope we get promoted, and then offer him a new contract. If we got promoted we would need a major overhaul and to be honest Howson would be lucky to be a first choice player for us anyway. In the old days players used to sign new contracts as a matter of course, it meant that they would be earning more money immediately, and would not affect a transfer in the summer one way or the other - no club keeps a player that doesn't want to play for them. These days most transfers are free transfers, and if a player wants to move then it helps a lot if their new club don't need to agree a fee. Basically if they are not under contract they can decide where to go. Players don't mind sacrificing 6 months extra wages, because come the summer they will get a much bigger signing on fee and/or wages if they are a free transfer. Howson wants to go, fuck him off now. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Lee Jones Sent: 18 January 2012 10:11 To: Alec McQueen Cc: LEEDSLIST Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace. It was meant entirely at the owner rather than Howson. If he is being offered peanuts (compared to other player at the top of the Championship) and sees no sign of investment in the squad and possibility for promotion in the coming seasons, who can blame him for wanting out? My point was that for our captain and life long leeds fan to want out shows the kind of shambles KB is running. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
So Very depressed. Feels like the dark ages are really upon us. Whilst Howson was in the team it felt as if one of us were there, playing for, fighting for us. M.O.T. your having a laugh. Nigel. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
My point was that for our captain and life long leeds fan to want out shows the kind of shambles KB is running. well we have no idea how much was offered or how much he wanted. The default position of Its all Bates' fault is an easy one to take, but without the full facts, who knows. Sad day indeed. ttfn Richard ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
For me this is the straw that broke the camel's back. I'm not renewing my season tickets now - I'll get a membership card (through gritted teeth) and cherry pick a few away games. As far as I'm concerned the dismantling of the squad is entirely Bates's fault. How is Grayson supposed to build a team if we constantly sell our best players and offer existing first team players derisory contracts? He should at least have the honesty to admit that we're not contenders for promotion (and on the basis of the performances I've seen this year we definitely aren't) - we're a mid-ranking average team championship cutting costs. Where does all the money go ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
Ok, where is the evidence that we offer derisory contracts? What is our wage bill compared with other championship clubs? -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Michael ALCOCK Sent: 18 January 2012 11:05 To: LEEDSLIST Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace. As far as I'm concerned the dismantling of the squad is entirely Bates's fault. How is Grayson supposed to build a team if we constantly sell our best players and offer existing first team players derisory contracts? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
Whilst you have a point about not knowing the full story, the FACT remains that Kilkenny and Johnson were not offered what they thought they were worth last season, and White and Clayton have both refused to sign the contracts put to them so far. Howson also rejected a new contract - this would indicate that we are unwilling or unable to pay the 'going rate'Players are always going to go to 'better' teams and want to play at a higher level but for some reason we are not able to convince them of our ambition to make it to that higher level In our minus 15 season we were just behind Swansea, now in the Prem, in our promotion season we were just behind Norwich, now in the Prem, Last season we were a Division higher than Southampton who look to be heading to the Prem, We look to be headed nowhere - despite being a 'bigger club' with bigger gates and more revenue than any of those 3 teams (let alone Stoke, Blackburn, Wigan, Bolton etc who are all now established Prem sides) There is an air of dislillusionment around ER - of the 7 of us who have a ST, 2 of us are 20 year ST holders. of the other 5 , 2 are renewing, 2 are not renewing and one is undecided These have all had ST since the Prem days and so are as loyal as most fans. Something has got to change or we will never again be the club we should be ! Dave --- On Wed, 18/1/12, Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk wrote: Well we have no idea how much was offered or how much he wanted. The default position of Its all Bates' fault is an easy one to take, but without the full facts, who knows. Sad day indeed. ttfn Richard ___ ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
On 18-01-2012 13:23, DAVID NATTAN wrote: Whilst you have a point about not knowing the full story, the FACT remains that Kilkenny and Johnson were not offered what they thought they were worth last season, and White and Clayton have both refused to sign the contracts put to them so far. Howson also rejected a new contract - this would indicate that we are unwilling or unable to pay the 'going rate'Players are always going to go to 'better' teams and want to play at a higher level but for some reason we are not able to convince them of our ambition to make it to that higher level Or maybe they just want out. Which is more worrying since that would imply that they do not want to play for grayson or do not rate him or something similar. It might be just a money issue, but I find it hard to believe that all of these players you mentioned would go for money alone. I would be willing to bet, that if they thought we have a chance of premier league footy next season, some of them would stay. Greg ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
Of course I don't know the numbersBut - we have had large crowds by football league standards, we have really expensive season tickets and match day tickets, and the money doesn't seem to be invested in the team. To support my belief that we offer 'derisory' contracts I'd point to Bristol City appearing to offer Kilkenny more than we did, and the growing number of other players don't seem willing to extend their contracts. And, quite frankly going to Elland has been a chore more often than being a pleasure this season. I've had home and away season tickets for years - and I'm just fed up with how the club appears to be run. I'm certainly not going to pay for the refurbishment of the ground while the team is asset stripped and not invested in. On 18/01/2012, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Ok, where is the evidence that we offer derisory contracts? What is our wage bill compared with other championship clubs? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
We wouldn't have had to pay a transfer fee for them either. Sent from my iPhone On 18 Jan 2012, at 11:50, Andy Clayton andyclayto...@gmail.com wrote: No, sorry, but the only FACT with Johnson Kilkenny, is that due to them being free agents at the end of the season, they were able to get much better deals elsewhere due to lack of transfer fee. Works the other way round too, we've taken advantage of Bosmans coming to the end of their contract. Cheers, Andy C Sent from my iPhone. On 18 Jan 2012, at 11:23, DAVID NATTAN david.nat...@btinternet.com wrote: Whilst you have a point about not knowing the full story, the FACT remains that Kilkenny and Johnson were not offered what they thought they were worth last season, and White and Clayton have both refused to sign the contracts put to them so far. Howson also rejected a new contract - this would indicate that we are unwilling or unable to pay the 'going rate'Players are always going to go to 'better' teams and want to play at a higher level but for some reason we are not able to convince them of our ambition to make it to that higher level In our minus 15 season we were just behind Swansea, now in the Prem, in our promotion season we were just behind Norwich, now in the Prem, Last season we were a Division higher than Southampton who look to be heading to the Prem, We look to be headed nowhere - despite being a 'bigger club' with bigger gates and more revenue than any of those 3 teams (let alone Stoke, Blackburn, Wigan, Bolton etc who are all now established Prem sides) There is an air of dislillusionment around ER - of the 7 of us who have a ST, 2 of us are 20 year ST holders. of the other 5 , 2 are renewing, 2 are not renewing and one is undecided These have all had ST since the Prem days and so are as loyal as most fans. Something has got to change or we will never again be the club we should be ! Dave --- On Wed, 18/1/12, Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk wrote: Well we have no idea how much was offered or how much he wanted. The default position of Its all Bates' fault is an easy one to take, but without the full facts, who knows. Sad day indeed. ttfn Richard ___ ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
Hence what I said about us not being able to convince them that we are likely to be able to offer them Prem football any time soon My original post says but for some reason we are not able to convince them of our ambition to make it to that higher level As for the Bosman argument, other clubs seem able to hang on to at least some of their players - who was the last regular first teamer at Leeds who signed a new contract ? I accept that all players want to play at the highest level they can, and that all clubs are 'selling clubs' even those at the very top, but we seem unable to hang on to anyone and lose out to clubs who we should be able to compete with - Kilkenny to Bristol and Scmeichal to Leicester In many way the facts do not matter- it is what supporters see as the facts that count.Lots of fans seem to be saying enough is enough and refusing to renew ST this time round, fans who stuck with us for 2 relegations and 3 seasons in the 3rd Division even when we started one on minus 15 points, To me this reluctance / refusal to renew is due to a number of reasons - Bates, perceived lack of ambition, over enthusiastic stewards / lack of atmosphere, price , overpaid players ,too early renewal date etc What is clear , we need to do something and quick to stop the rot before it becomes terminal and we find ourselves facing relegation again with fans deserting in their droves Dave --- On Wed, 18/1/12, Greg Adams greg.ad...@absamail.co.za wrote: Or maybe they just want out. Which is more worrying since that would imply that they do not want to play for grayson or do not rate him or something similar. It might be just a money issue, but I find it hard to believe that all of these players you mentioned would go for money alone. I would be willing to bet, that if they thought we have a chance of premier league footy next season, some of them would stay. Greg ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
Fuck off - it's nowt to do with the player , it's the fucking chairman's fault for not offering our brightest young player with a decent contract. So fucking angry with this. Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2012, at 09:43, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Says everything we need to know about footballers, ambition and/or money. Why would Norwich think about making an actual offer, they must have been in contact with Howson's agent. Howson is a decent player, but not a world beater. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Lee Jones Sent: 18 January 2012 09:37 To: Jim Moran Cc: Leeds List; Dr. Michael Benjamin. Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace. What an absolute joke! Lifelong fan, grew up seeing Elland Road out of his bedroom window. Club captain and even he can't wait to jump ship. Says everything we need to know about this administration :( ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
You are a clueless twat Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2012, at 10:25, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Lets get real people. Howson has been on the fringes of the England squad and wants to play in the premier league. It is not (just) about the money, Howson knows he could play there next season. The only choice Leeds have here is whether to not accept an offer, hope we get promoted, and then offer him a new contract. If we got promoted we would need a major overhaul and to be honest Howson would be lucky to be a first choice player for us anyway. In the old days players used to sign new contracts as a matter of course, it meant that they would be earning more money immediately, and would not affect a transfer in the summer one way or the other - no club keeps a player that doesn't want to play for them. These days most transfers are free transfers, and if a player wants to move then it helps a lot if their new club don't need to agree a fee. Basically if they are not under contract they can decide where to go. Players don't mind sacrificing 6 months extra wages, because come the summer they will get a much bigger signing on fee and/or wages if they are a free transfer. Howson wants to go, fuck him off now. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Lee Jones Sent: 18 January 2012 10:11 To: Alec McQueen Cc: LEEDSLIST Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace. It was meant entirely at the owner rather than Howson. If he is being offered peanuts (compared to other player at the top of the Championship) and sees no sign of investment in the squad and possibility for promotion in the coming seasons, who can blame him for wanting out? My point was that for our captain and life long leeds fan to want out shows the kind of shambles KB is running. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
Most of those factors for me. I don't enjoy it anymore and 75% of the reasons are down to Bates. On 18 January 2012 12:09, DAVID NATTAN david.nat...@btinternet.com wrote: To me this reluctance / refusal to renew is due to a number of reasons - Bates, perceived lack of ambition, over enthusiastic stewards / lack of atmosphere, price , overpaid players ,too early renewal date etc ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
Nige, I'm with you on this mate -I cant fucking work cos I'm so wound up about this. And there's folk on here saying 'ah well Howson wouldn't have got in our team next season anyway' For fucks sake Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2012, at 10:32, Nigel Goodman fra...@iprimus.com.au wrote: So Very depressed. Feels like the dark ages are really upon us. Whilst Howson was in the team it felt as if one of us were there, playing for, fighting for us. M.O.T. your having a laugh. Nigel. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
Without causing undue stress to Rich…the last one sign was …… Sent from my iPhone. Dr Michael Benjamin. Community Psychiatrist. On 18 Jan 2012, at 14:09, DAVID NATTAN david.nat...@btinternet.com wrote: Hence what I said about us not being able to convince them that we are likely to be able to offer them Prem football any time soon My original post says but for some reason we are not able to convince them of our ambition to make it to that higher level As for the Bosman argument, other clubs seem able to hang on to at least some of their players - who was the last regular first teamer at Leeds who signed a new contract ? I accept that all players want to play at the highest level they can, and that all clubs are 'selling clubs' even those at the very top, but we seem unable to hang on to anyone and lose out to clubs who we should be able to compete with - Kilkenny to Bristol and Scmeichal to Leicester In many way the facts do not matter- it is what supporters see as the facts that count.Lots of fans seem to be saying enough is enough and refusing to renew ST this time round, fans who stuck with us for 2 relegations and 3 seasons in the 3rd Division even when we started one on minus 15 points, To me this reluctance / refusal to renew is due to a number of reasons - Bates, perceived lack of ambition, over enthusiastic stewards / lack of atmosphere, price , overpaid players ,too early renewal date etc What is clear , we need to do something and quick to stop the rot before it becomes terminal and we find ourselves facing relegation again with fans deserting in their droves Dave --- On Wed, 18/1/12, Greg Adams greg.ad...@absamail.co.za wrote: Or maybe they just want out. Which is more worrying since that would imply that they do not want to play for grayson or do not rate him or something similar. It might be just a money issue, but I find it hard to believe that all of these players you mentioned would go for money alone. I would be willing to bet, that if they thought we have a chance of premier league footy next season, some of them would stay. Greg ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
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http://www.teamtalk.com/championship/7440026/Howson-howler-leaves-Leeds-looking-humble Pretty spot on from my PoV On 18 January 2012 12:22, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Nige, I'm with you on this mate -I cant fucking work cos I'm so wound up about this. And there's folk on here saying 'ah well Howson wouldn't have got in our team next season anyway' For fucks sake Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2012, at 10:32, Nigel Goodman fra...@iprimus.com.au wrote: So Very depressed. Feels like the dark ages are really upon us. Whilst Howson was in the team it felt as if one of us were there, playing for, fighting for us. M.O.T. your having a laugh. Nigel. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
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I hope this is Bates's last decision he makes at our club. Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2012, at 12:23, Lee Jones em...@leedjones.co.uk wrote: http://www.teamtalk.com/championship/7440026/Howson-howler-leaves-Leeds-looking-humble Pretty spot on from my PoV On 18 January 2012 12:22, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Nige, I'm with you on this mate -I cant fucking work cos I'm so wound up about this. And there's folk on here saying 'ah well Howson wouldn't have got in our team next season anyway' For fucks sake Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2012, at 10:32, Nigel Goodman fra...@iprimus.com.au wrote: So Very depressed. Feels like the dark ages are really upon us. Whilst Howson was in the team it felt as if one of us were there, playing for, fighting for us. M.O.T. your having a laugh. Nigel. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
No, sorry, but the only FACT with Johnson Kilkenny, is that due to them being free agents at the end of the season, they were able to get much better deals elsewhere due to lack of transfer fee. Well, there's that. But let's take an educated guess at the financial situation/s. Firstly, what would a reasonable chairman base their budgets on? I would say matchday revenue and guaranteed TV money. Plus merchandise, I suppose. But prize money, cup runs - you wouldn't base your budget on those, because if they didn't happen you'd be screwed. Imagine budgeting for Champions League football and then not getting it... So, Everton - to whom we lost Jermaine Beckford on a free transfer - will pick up £30m in TV rights plus a minimum £20m per season in ticket sales (based on their average attendance of 33,407 so far this season, at the lowest possible adult ticket price of £31) Norwich City - to whom we lost Bradley Johnson and to whom we look like losing Jonny Howson - will similarly receive £30m in TV rights, and at least £15m in ticket sales (average attendance 26,516, cheapest ticket £30). Bristol City - who took Neil Kilkenny from us - will get £2.6m in TV money, and can expect no less than £6m in tickets sales over the season (13,232 x £25). Leeds United, like Bristol, will get £2.6m from the Football League for the collective TV deal. But with an average attendance of 23,733, at a cheapest possible ticket price of £20, would be budgeting on taking over £9m in ticket sales. So the financial reality is, we can't expect to compete with Premier League teams when we allow our players' contracts to run down. On the other hand, we are a club that has been in trouble before with players earning a lot of money when revenue goes down; signing up any of the above of Premier League-level contracts would be brilliant if we knew we were going up, but if we failed to do so and were lumbered with the costs anyway, well, we'd be returning those goldfish to the rental store. What I don't accept is that we couldn't offer Kilkenny at least as good a deal as Bristol were willing to offer him. Surely Beckford was our top earner - and he'd left the previous season. Yes, there's the signing on fee that would be a nice little payday for him and his agent, but if we can't match that then surely we're only going to have to pay it for a replacement (if not an actual fee), but with added disruption to the squad? I mean, I don't know. We'd all hate for Leeds to start overspending again. But it irks me that Norwich are now a bigger club than Leeds. And surely there's enough money in the club to say to Howson, You're the club captain, a fan of the club, we'll match whatever offer anyone makes? And why wasn't this done when he was made captain last season? Still, at least we've got Becchio tied to the club for the next couple of years... Ed. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
Dave I agree with all you say. I just wonder whether grayson is the issue? Maybe a better manager/coach will be able to get more out of the squad we have and also engender a more positive feeling among the players. I know its easy for me sitting here in sunny Azania (38 degrees C, no wind, going to jump in the pool after this), but would it not be better to try and organize a boycott of one or two games? Could it be done? That would soon show bates that the fans mean business, as it would hit him in the pocket. It would mean a complete empty stadium, which would take a lot of cajoling, but would imho, be worth it if it gets Bates out. I am not convinced that he is the sole problem, but I do think that while he is there, we will struggle to progress. To pre-empt the posts saying we should support the team, and that a boycott will affect them - fuck them. Most of them would leave for more money, higher league, etc in a flash. Maybe it time for a revolution. I feel for you guys that pay to go watch the team every week. I don't know what I would do if I was in your shoes. Greg On 18-01-2012 14:09, DAVID NATTAN wrote: Hence what I said about us not being able to convince them that we are likely to be able ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
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I think it can be done , the way I feel at the mo I won't be going to Ipswich and Brum and I've already paid for them ! However if nobody turned up do you think Bates would be bothered. He'd probably just close the club down which I sometimes feel is his ambition. Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2012, at 12:32, Greg Adams greg.ad...@absamail.co.za wrote: Dave I agree with all you say. I just wonder whether grayson is the issue? Maybe a better manager/coach will be able to get more out of the squad we have and also engender a more positive feeling among the players. I know its easy for me sitting here in sunny Azania (38 degrees C, no wind, going to jump in the pool after this), but would it not be better to try and organize a boycott of one or two games? Could it be done? That would soon show bates that the fans mean business, as it would hit him in the pocket. It would mean a complete empty stadium, which would take a lot of cajoling, but would imho, be worth it if it gets Bates out. I am not convinced that he is the sole problem, but I do think that while he is there, we will struggle to progress. To pre-empt the posts saying we should support the team, and that a boycott will affect them - fuck them. Most of them would leave for more money, higher league, etc in a flash. Maybe it time for a revolution. I feel for you guys that pay to go watch the team every week. I don't know what I would do if I was in your shoes. Greg On 18-01-2012 14:09, DAVID NATTAN wrote: Hence what I said about us not being able to convince them that we are likely to be able ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
It's Bates' fault and no-one elses. I'm so pissed off. My (27th) renewal was ready to be handed in on Saturday - the way I'm feeling now is he can stuff it. Ted H ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
Havent you got some football manager to play? -Original Message- From: Richard Walker [mailto:richleed...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: 18 January 2012 12:20 To: Mark Humphries Cc: Lee Jones; Alec McQueen; LEEDSLIST Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace. You are a clueless twat Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2012, at 10:25, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Lets get real people. Howson has been on the fringes of the England squad and wants to play in the premier league. It is not (just) about the money, Howson knows he could play there next season. The only choice Leeds have here is whether to not accept an offer, hope we get promoted, and then offer him a new contract. If we got promoted we would need a major overhaul and to be honest Howson would be lucky to be a first choice player for us anyway. In the old days players used to sign new contracts as a matter of course, it meant that they would be earning more money immediately, and would not affect a transfer in the summer one way or the other - no club keeps a player that doesn't want to play for them. These days most transfers are free transfers, and if a player wants to move then it helps a lot if their new club don't need to agree a fee. Basically if they are not under contract they can decide where to go. Players don't mind sacrificing 6 months extra wages, because come the summer they will get a much bigger signing on fee and/or wages if they are a free transfer. Howson wants to go, fuck him off now. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Lee Jones Sent: 18 January 2012 10:11 To: Alec McQueen Cc: LEEDSLIST Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace. It was meant entirely at the owner rather than Howson. If he is being offered peanuts (compared to other player at the top of the Championship) and sees no sign of investment in the squad and possibility for promotion in the coming seasons, who can blame him for wanting out? My point was that for our captain and life long leeds fan to want out shows the kind of shambles KB is running. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
This is the difference between us. When a player wears the white shirt, I am behind them, regardless of where they came from, or their apparent faults. When they dont want to be here any more, the can fuck off. And Howson hasnt even been our best midfield player this season, out of 2. So why you think he would be in our first choice central midfield pairing if we got into the premier league? If he loved the club enough he would make do with earning £12k a week or whatever it was he would have been offered. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Richard Walker Sent: 18 January 2012 12:23 To: Nigel Goodman Cc: Lee Jones; Leeds List; Dr. Michael Benjamin. Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace. Nige, I'm with you on this mate -I cant fucking work cos I'm so wound up about this. And there's folk on here saying 'ah well Howson wouldn't have got in our team next season anyway' For fucks sake Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2012, at 10:32, Nigel Goodman fra...@iprimus.com.au wrote: So Very depressed. Feels like the dark ages are really upon us. Whilst Howson was in the team it felt as if one of us were there, playing for, fighting for us. M.O.T. your having a laugh. Nigel. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
I will not rest until that club and their animal supporters are kicked out of English football Ken Bates 28.4.1984 ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
What a wanker !!! Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2012, at 12:51, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: This is the difference between us. When a player wears the white shirt, I am behind them, regardless of where they came from, or their apparent faults. When they don’t want to be here any more, the can fuck off. And Howson hasn’t even been our best midfield player this season, out of 2. So why you think he would be in our first choice central midfield pairing if we got into the premier league? If he loved the club enough he would make do with earning £12k a week or whatever it was he would have been offered. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Richard Walker Sent: 18 January 2012 12:23 To: Nigel Goodman Cc: Lee Jones; Leeds List; Dr. Michael Benjamin. Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace. Nige, I'm with you on this mate -I cant fucking work cos I'm so wound up about this. And there's folk on here saying 'ah well Howson wouldn't have got in our team next season anyway' For fucks sake Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2012, at 10:32, Nigel Goodman fra...@iprimus.com.au wrote: So Very depressed. Feels like the dark ages are really upon us. Whilst Howson was in the team it felt as if one of us were there, playing for, fighting for us. M.O.T. your having a laugh. Nigel. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
Nice one Paul, it's all making sense now Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2012, at 12:52, Paul Cundell p...@cundell.com wrote: I will not rest until that club and their animal supporters are kicked out of English football Ken Bates 28.4.1984 ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
Yeah, up there with I don't know why I love you, but I do and everything is going well with the contract negotiations and Im sure I will sign soon. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Richard Walker Sent: 18 January 2012 12:53 To: p...@cundell.com Cc: Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace. Nice one Paul, it's all making sense now Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2012, at 12:52, Paul Cundell p...@cundell.com wrote: I will not rest until that club and their animal supporters are kicked out of English football Ken Bates 28.4.1984 ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
What a tosspot ! Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2012, at 12:57, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Yeah, up there with I don't know why I love you, but I do and everything is going well with the contract negotiations and Im sure I will sign soon. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Richard Walker Sent: 18 January 2012 12:53 To: p...@cundell.com Cc: Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace. Nice one Paul, it's all making sense now Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2012, at 12:52, Paul Cundell p...@cundell.com wrote: I will not rest until that club and their animal supporters are kicked out of English football Ken Bates 28.4.1984 ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
Is that all you can do? Have you got fucking Tourette's or something? -Original Message- From: Richard Walker [mailto:richleed...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: 18 January 2012 12:53 To: Mark Humphries Cc: Nigel Goodman; Lee Jones; Leeds List; Dr. Michael Benjamin. Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace. What a wanker !!! Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2012, at 12:51, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: This is the difference between us. When a player wears the white shirt, I am behind them, regardless of where they came from, or their apparent faults. When they don t want to be here any more, the can fuck off. And Howson hasn t even been our best midfield player this season, out of 2. So why you think he would be in our first choice central midfield pairing if we got into the premier league? If he loved the club enough he would make do with earning 12k a week or whatever it was he would have been offered. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Richard Walker Sent: 18 January 2012 12:23 To: Nigel Goodman Cc: Lee Jones; Leeds List; Dr. Michael Benjamin. Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace. Nige, I'm with you on this mate -I cant fucking work cos I'm so wound up about this. And there's folk on here saying 'ah well Howson wouldn't have got in our team next season anyway' For fucks sake Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2012, at 10:32, Nigel Goodman fra...@iprimus.com.au wrote: So Very depressed. Feels like the dark ages are really upon us. Whilst Howson was in the team it felt as if one of us were there, playing for, fighting for us. M.O.T. your having a laugh. Nigel. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
Trusting in Ken Bates is misplaced loyalty Believing in Ken Bates is unbelievable Defending Ken Bates is indefensible ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
[LU] Ticket prices
I've worked with some Ipswich fans at our office here in Grimsby for the last 23 years..they have never missed a Town game at Elland Road in all that time. When I asked this week what time they were setting off on Saturdaythe reply was... Whatat 34 quid a ticket..you gotta be f** joking ! *** NOTICE: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous e-mail messages attached to it, may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete the e-mail and attached documents. Thank you. *** ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
[LU] Ticket prices - £34
38 pence per minute ! I used to sneak through the Boys Pen for 50p.late 70's ! *** NOTICE: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous e-mail messages attached to it, may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete the e-mail and attached documents. Thank you. *** ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
Howson will blossom at Norwich just as Johnson did. Yes he has his faults, but he is a clever player who will learn. Huge shame he is leaving. From: Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk To: Nigel Goodman fra...@iprimus.com.au Cc: Lee Jones em...@leedjones.co.uk; Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org; Dr. Michael Benjamin. beden...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace. Nige, I'm with you on this mate -I cant fucking work cos I'm so wound up about this. And there's folk on here saying 'ah well Howson wouldn't have got in our team next season anyway' For fucks sake Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2012, at 10:32, Nigel Goodman fra...@iprimus.com.au wrote: So Very depressed. Feels like the dark ages are really upon us. Whilst Howson was in the team it felt as if one of us were there, playing for, fighting for us. M.O.T. your having a laugh. Nigel. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
IN NO WAY should i be seen as defending Papa Smurf, but when to the fair play rules come into effect in the Football League? A Forest mate of mine tells me their Chairman has been going on about this(and yes, now look where they are... ) -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Richard Walker Sent: miércoles, 18 de enero de 2012 14:05 To: Mark Humphries Cc: Lee Jones; Dr. Michael Benjamin.; Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace. Confidencialidad Este correo electrónico y, en su caso, cualquier fichero anexo al mismo, contiene información de carácter confidencial exclusivamente dirigida a su destinatario o destinatarios y propiedad de Vodafone España. Queda prohibida su divulgación, copia o distribución a terceros sin la previa autorización escrita de Vodafone España, en virtud de la legislación vigente. En el caso de haber recibido este correo electrónico por error, se ruega notificar inmediatamente esta circunstancia mediante reenvÃo a la dirección electrónica del remitente y la destrucción del mismo. Confidentiality The information in this e-mail and in any attachments is classified as Vodafone España Confidential and Proprietary Information and solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s). You are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication is prohibited without the prior written consent of Vodafone España and is strictly prohibited by law. If you have received this communication in error, please, notify the sender by reply e-mail. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
He was talking about Chelsea right and the electronic fences? From: Paul Cundell p...@cundell.com To: Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace. I will not rest until that club and their animal supporters are kicked out of English football Ken Bates 28.4.1984 ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
No, he was on about Leeds United. Bates purchased Chelsea in 1982. On April 28th 1984, the eventual 2nd division champions Chelsea beat Eddie Gray's Leeds United 5-0. From: Nicholas Armit [mailto:arm...@yahoo.com] Sent: 18 January 2012 13:50 To: p...@cundell.com; Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace. He was talking about Chelsea right and the electronic fences? _ From: Paul Cundell p...@cundell.com To: Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace. I will not rest until that club and their animal supporters are kicked out of English football Ken Bates 28.4.1984 ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Ticket prices - £34
Ditto mate! On 18 Jan 2012, at 13:38, graham.f...@yara.com wrote: 38 pence per minute ! I used to sneak through the Boys Pen for 50p.late 70's ! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
'I am so F...ing upset. I'm of the Mad Dr Mike vintage, as I've said before my first game was the return of John Charles, and I've been LEEDS UNITED A.F.C. and proud ever since. I can't think of anything, anything in the past 50 years that has made me question my allegiance like this. Howson isn't/ wasn't our best or most skilful player but he was us. from over here it felt like JH was playing for me, he cared about our team, our boys, he was us. I don't give a flying fuck about the wages, but this isn't about the money. This is about pride, ambition, loyalty. this is about LEEDS UNITED and it is about the way the ms is destroying us with the death of 1 cuts and i bet the bastard is creaming his pants over it. I love LUFC always will but at the moment I don't think LUFC has much concerns over me. Nigel On 18/01/2012, at 9:04 PM, Paul Cundell wrote: Trusting in Ken Bates is misplaced loyalty Believing in Ken Bates is unbelievable Defending Ken Bates is indefensible ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
hallelujah to that! From: Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk To: Lee Jones em...@leedjones.co.uk Cc: Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org; Dr. Michael Benjamin. beden...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2012, 12:26 Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace. I hope this is Bates's last decision he makes at our club. Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2012, at 12:23, Lee Jones em...@leedjones.co.uk wrote: http://www.teamtalk.com/championship/7440026/Howson-howler-leaves-Leeds-looking-humble Pretty spot on from my PoV On 18 January 2012 12:22, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Nige, I'm with you on this mate -I cant fucking work cos I'm so wound up about this. And there's folk on here saying 'ah well Howson wouldn't have got in our team next season anyway' For fucks sake Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2012, at 10:32, Nigel Goodman fra...@iprimus.com.au wrote: So Very depressed. Feels like the dark ages are really upon us. Whilst Howson was in the team it felt as if one of us were there, playing for, fighting for us. M.O.T. your having a laugh. Nigel. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
If we all concentrate really hard at the same time, with the same
thought (die you bastard, die) maybe our collective consciousness can
see him off How does 6pm suit everyone :)
Original Message
From: John Lee
Sent: Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:16 PM
To: Richard Walker ; Lee Jones
CC: Leeds List ; Dr. Michael Benjamin.
Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace.
hallelujah to that!
From: Richard Walker
To: Lee Jones
Cc: Leeds List ; Dr. Michael Benjamin.
Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2012, 12:26
Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace.
I hope this is Bates's last decision he makes at our club.
Sent from my iPad
On 18 Jan 2012, at 12:23, Lee Jones wrote:
[1]http://www.teamtalk.com/championship/7440026/Howson-howler-leaves-Le
eds-looking-humble
Pretty spot on from my PoV
On 18 January 2012 12:22, Richard Walker wrote:
Nige, I'm with you on this mate -I cant fucking work cos I'm so
wound up about this.
And there's folk on here saying 'ah well Howson wouldn't have got in
our team next season anyway'
For fucks sake
Sent from my iPad
On 18 Jan 2012, at 10:32, Nigel Goodman wrote:
So Very depressed. Feels like the dark ages are really upon us.
Whilst Howson was in the team it felt as if one of us were there,
playing for, fighting for us. M.O.T. your having a laugh.  Nigel.
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2. http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
3. http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
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Re: [LU] Disgrace.
If we all concentrate really hard at the same time, with the same
thought (die you bastard, die) maybe our collective consciousness can
see him off How does 6pm suit everyone :)
Original Message
From: John Lee
Sent: Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:16 PM
To: Richard Walker ; Lee Jones
CC: Leeds List ; Dr. Michael Benjamin.
Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace.
hallelujah to that!
From: Richard Walker
To: Lee Jones
Cc: Leeds List ; Dr. Michael Benjamin.
Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2012, 12:26
Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace.
I hope this is Bates's last decision he makes at our club.
Sent from my iPad
On 18 Jan 2012, at 12:23, Lee Jones wrote:
[1]http://www.teamtalk.com/championship/7440026/Howson-howler-leaves-Le
eds-looking-humble
Pretty spot on from my PoV
On 18 January 2012 12:22, Richard Walker wrote:
Nige, I'm with you on this mate -I cant fucking work cos I'm so
wound up about this.
And there's folk on here saying 'ah well Howson wouldn't have got in
our team next season anyway'
For fucks sake
Sent from my iPad
On 18 Jan 2012, at 10:32, Nigel Goodman wrote:
So Very depressed. Feels like the dark ages are really upon us.
Whilst Howson was in the team it felt as if one of us were there,
playing for, fighting for us. M.O.T. your having a laugh.  Nigel.
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2. http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
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Re: [LU] Disgrace.
I am concentrating so hard my wife thinks I must be constipated. Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2012, at 17:43, Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com wrote: Is that 6pm GMT? If so I'll be concentrating in about 20 mins.. PS Did everybody notice how I snipped all the rest of the e-mail off?? Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:34:12 + From: ws.callag...@live.co.uk To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk; richleed...@yahoo.co.uk; em...@leedjones.co.uk CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org; beden...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace. If we all concentrate really hard at the same time, with the same thought (die you bastard, die) maybe our collective consciousness can see him off How does 6pm suit everyone :) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
I'm on it now!
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On 18 Jan 2012, at 17:34, Wayne ws.callag...@live.co.uk wrote:
If we all concentrate really hard at the same time, with the same
thought (die you bastard, die) maybe our collective consciousness can
see him off How does 6pm suit everyone :)
Original Message
From: John Lee
Sent: Wed, Jan 18, 2012 5:16 PM
To: Richard Walker ; Lee Jones
CC: Leeds List ; Dr. Michael Benjamin.
Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace.
hallelujah to that!
From: Richard Walker
To: Lee Jones
Cc: Leeds List ; Dr. Michael Benjamin.
Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2012, 12:26
Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace.
I hope this is Bates's last decision he makes at our club.
Sent from my iPad
On 18 Jan 2012, at 12:23, Lee Jones wrote:
[1]http://www.teamtalk.com/championship/7440026/Howson-howler-leaves-Le
eds-looking-humble
Pretty spot on from my PoV
On 18 January 2012 12:22, Richard Walker wrote:
Nige, I'm with you on this mate -I cant fucking work cos I'm so
wound up about this.
And there's folk on here saying 'ah well Howson wouldn't have got in
our team next season anyway'
For fucks sake
Sent from my iPad
On 18 Jan 2012, at 10:32, Nigel Goodman wrote:
So Very depressed. Feels like the dark ages are really upon us.
Whilst Howson was in the team it felt as if one of us were there,
playing for, fighting for us. M.O.T. your having a laugh.  Nigel.
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[LU] Good old days
Oh how I long for them, when we were a buying club, and only used to shift on dead wood like McAllister, Batty, Sheridan, Kewell, Speed, Milner, Lennon, Delph, Snodin... ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Good old days
You forgot Cantona! (Sold for peanuts when we were champions!) -Original Message- From: Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk To: 'Leeds List' leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Wed, Jan 18, 2012 1:07 pm Subject: [LU] Good old days Oh how I long for them, when we were a buying club, and only used to shift on dead wood like McAllister, Batty, Sheridan, Kewell, Speed, Milner, Lennon, Delph, Snodin... ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Good old days
He was in my original list, along with McQueen, Jordan, Woodgate, Smith, Robinson etc., but I thought I would stick with midfielders for effect J All of whom were much better players and much more important than Howson. Not that I don't think it is a shame he is going, I just think this was inevitable, and the club weren't going to get burned as they were with Beckford, Johnson and Kilkenny. I don't think I could be any more devastated when we sold Batty to Cashburn. I wrote to the club to complain (and got a letter back!) Ever since then, I have accepted that's the way it goes, and I don't understand why everyone is so upset about Howson, compared with the other players I have mentioned. Clayton is a better player in my opinion. From: seanscr...@aol.com [mailto:seanscr...@aol.com] Sent: 18 January 2012 18:22 To: mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Good old days You forgot Cantona! (Sold for peanuts when we were champions!) -Original Message- From: Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk To: 'Leeds List' leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Wed, Jan 18, 2012 1:07 pm Subject: [LU] Good old days Oh how I long for them, when we were a buying club, and only used to shift on dead wood like McAllister, Batty, Sheridan, Kewell, Speed, Milner, Lennon, Delph, Snodin... ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Good old days
I don't think I could be any more devastated when we sold Batty to Cashburn. I wrote to the club to complain (and got a letter back!) What did the letter say? Ed. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Good old days
Dear Supporter, who gives a flying fuck what you think? The good old days, eh? Jason Nisse Thompson's contacts include Chris Akers and Andrew Regan. He also owns Windsor racecourse and is backing Elizabeth Emanuel In June, Richard Thompson was honoured for his contribution to business. Along with luminaries such as John Ritblat, founder of British Land, Mike Gooley of Trailfinders and Simon Woodruffe, the brains behind YO! Sushi, Thompson won an award from accountants Ernst Young and The Times newspaper as one of London's Entrepreneurs of the Year. It was an irony that the 35-year-old businessman - whose interests stretch from meat packing to designer frocks via television and football - should get the award this year. After all, in the last 12 months, his business interests have lost at least pounds 30m. In addition, one former associate has been convicted of fraud and another has had a warrant issued for his arrest. Later this month former associate Allan Leonard is due to appear at the Old Bailey in London for sentencing after admitting to 15 charges of fraud, forgery and false accounting. The 49-year-old grain trader and former racehorse owner was a close family friend of Thompson, having worked for his father, David, since 1987. Muirpace, the company that Leonard ran, was a subsidiary of Thompson family businesses. Its losses from Leonard's gambles on the derivatives market are estimated at pounds 28.5m. Speaking publicly for the first time since Leonard's conviction, Richard Thompson told The Independent on Sunday that the Muirpace scandal was disappointing, but not a tragedy. It does not make a big difference to the overall picture, he said. We've drawn a line under the losses. If you look over the years we've made more money out of Allan Leonard than we lost. While Allan Leonard's problems have had a direct bearing on the Thompson family businesses, Richard Thompson says he is no longer associated with another colourful business character - Andrew Regan. Regan, who shot to fame in his attempt at taking over the Co-op Wholesale Society a couple of years ago, is presently in Monaco. If he returns to the UK, the Serious Fraud Office has said it would arrest him on charges of stealing pounds 2.4m from a public company, the food manufacturer Hobson, that he used to run. And who introduced Regan to Hobson? None other than Richard Thompson. I was involved with Hobson for seven years, from 1986 to 1993, says Thompson (Regan arrived in 1991). I stayed for two years after he took control and then left. There is no suggestion that Thompson knew anything of the alleged bribing of Co-op officials which form the core of the Serious Fraud Office case against Regan and three others involved in the Hobson scandal. Thompson happily admits he had been associated with quite a few colourful characters in a business career of little more than a decade. The story starts with Richard's father, David, a Smithfield meat trader who joined Harry Solomon to form a company called Hillsdown. The business was a fantastic success, building up a portfolio of food brands stretching from Typhoo tea to Buxted chickens, and interests in timber, property development and insurance. David Thompson sold out of Hillsdown a little before the stock market crash in 1987, pocketing around pounds 180m. David Thompson then set about investing his fortune. Part was used to back Allan Leonard's Muirpace, while another part was used to build up the Cheveley Park Stud, one of the most successful racehorse breeding operations in the UK. Cheveley's successes have included the Grand National winner, Party Politics, and the Royal Ascot favourite, Exclusive. A couple of years ago David and Patricia Thompson joined the parade with the Queen at Royal Ascot. Leonard was also a keen investor in bloodstock. Among his horses was Top Cees, a highly successful racer on both flat and national hunt courses that he sold to a partnership of Robert Sangster and Michael Charlton, the Monaco-based investor who was a business partner of Andrew Regan. The third way David Thompson invested his money was to set his son up in business. The first deal he backed was to purchase Queens Park Rangers, the football club. Richard became chairman, as well as the target of protests by fans during a five-year reign. They gave me a hard time, he says. There is no way I would ever be the chairman of a football club again. The Thompsons sold their share of QPR in 1996 for pounds 10m, passing on the problem to Chris Wright, the founder of Chrysalis, who promptly led the club into relegation. Though the investment did not make a huge amount of money, it whetted Richard Thompson's appetite for the business of football, and he backed a bid by a team led by former stockbroker Chris Akers to take over Leeds United. The vehicle for the deal was a small firm called Storm Group. It had been involved in making cartoon
Re: [LU] Good old days
Just to say I am not privy to any info but Leeds agreeing a fee with Norwich does not mean Howson is going anywhere. Given he only has a few months left on his contract and he has refused to renew it for last 12 months he may be taking the longer view. Wait until summer when he is fully fit. Pick his club and pocket a nice signing on fee. Not seen any comments from the Howson camp. Leeds are pissed story has broke cos they wanted to rush it thro. Howson is not in the same calibre as Batty, Milner etc. He is though 1 of maybe 3 of our squad that could play in PL. Our recent slump is no coincidence with his absence. When our players see a brighter future with Norwich than Leeds it says a lot about how the club is being run. End of. MOT Sent from my iPod On 18 Jan 2012, at 18:55, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Basically, I said why the fuck are you selling one of our best players, and our most important player. This is not the action of a football team that wants to win trophies, Batty was Leeds through and through etc. I got a letter back from fotherby (I think it was at the time) explaining that it was a good offer, and that ultimately no one forced Batty to agree terms with Blackburn or sign for them. He also offered to have a meeting with me to discuss it. From: Ed Morrish [mailto:edmorr...@gmail.com] Sent: 18 January 2012 18:41 To: Mark Humphries Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org; seanscr...@aol.com Subject: Re: [LU] Good old days I don't think I could be any more devastated when we sold Batty to Cashburn. I wrote to the club to complain (and got a letter back!) What did the letter say? Ed. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
I'm not bothered by howson pissing off. probably cause I never recovered from being relegated twice in disgrace. Howsons ambitions are bigger than LUFC, thats why hes leaving I also think B. Johnson helped with this move talking Norwich up etc. Bates MUST leave ASAP. Sent from my iPhone On 18 Jan 2012, at 23:35, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Its the only suitable response I can come up with for your comments which are so far wide of the mark it's untrue. Don't worry I'll use my delete button from now on to stop you buzzing in my ear cos I don't mind admitting that you are doing my head in. You'll be pleased with that -a victory for you. Well done. Don't bother replying, Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2012, at 12:58, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Is that all you can do? Have you got fucking Tourette's or something? -Original Message- From: Richard Walker [mailto:richleed...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: 18 January 2012 12:53 To: Mark Humphries Cc: Nigel Goodman; Lee Jones; Leeds List; Dr. Michael Benjamin. Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace. What a wanker !!! Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2012, at 12:51, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: This is the difference between us. When a player wears the white shirt, I am behind them, regardless of where they came from, or their apparent faults. When they don t want to be here any more, the can fuck off. And Howson hasn t even been our best midfield player this season, out of 2. So why you think he would be in our first choice central midfield pairing if we got into the premier league? If he loved the club enough he would make do with earning 12k a week or whatever it was he would have been offered. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Richard Walker Sent: 18 January 2012 12:23 To: Nigel Goodman Cc: Lee Jones; Leeds List; Dr. Michael Benjamin. Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace. Nige, I'm with you on this mate -I cant fucking work cos I'm so wound up about this. And there's folk on here saying 'ah well Howson wouldn't have got in our team next season anyway' For fucks sake Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2012, at 10:32, Nigel Goodman fra...@iprimus.com.au wrote: So Very depressed. Feels like the dark ages are really upon us. Whilst Howson was in the team it felt as if one of us were there, playing for, fighting for us. M.O.T. your having a laugh. Nigel. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] palace
On 15 Jan 2012 at 12:44, tim.whe...@talk21.com wrote: Before yesterday I'd been to Selhurst Park six times, against three different home teams twice each, and we'd lost all six! So although it was disapointing that we only got a draw against ten men, I can at least celebrate the end of that dismal sequence. Can't remember how many times I've been to Selhurst Park and all the results but I do remember going there mid-week evening for the Youth Cup. Been dowin in Lewes during the day for a brewery visit. Got the list meet feeling mellow and then up to the ground. Good crowd and good result. More drinks afterwards and went for train to find it gone so had to get one to Croydon to get back into London. Got to Victoria just in time for last tube Victoria Line to Finsbury Park. Fell asleep and awoke at Walthamstow, the terminus. No tube back so walked from Walthamstow to to Stround Green taking a short cut across Finsbury Park even though it was locked and closed. Much better rememberint the old days and how things where than now and how they are ... Reunion MOALM great idea. Pity Tetley's gone downhill since Leeds brewery closed. And as for Adolphi there's several other good alternatives for a meet. guy --- On Sun, 15/1/12, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: From: Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk Subject: Re: [LU] palace To: 'Richard Walker' richleed...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org, 'Dr. Michael Benjamin.' beden...@gmail.com, wi...@wignomore.org.uk Date: Sunday, 15 January, 2012, 12:21 What is our results history against crystal palace at their shit-hole? Or indeed Wimbledon when they played there? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
[LU] Something good
Erstwhile Columbus Crew winger Robbie Rogers was granted a UK work permit on Wednesday afternoon, MLSsoccer.com has learned, allowing the US international to begin a two-and-a-half-year deal with promotion seekers Leeds United. Dr Michael Benjamin, Community Psychiatrist --- myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT http://www.myRay.com -- Mental Health: http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com Auditing || Quality Control http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/ Blog: http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 19, Issue 50
Seem to remember Cundell getting his frilly little nickers in a twist when I was complaining about our failure to pay market rate in the Summer (re Johnson; Kilkenny). CBA looking at the digest but imagine some of his 'intelligent musings' would look quite interesting in the context of today's debacle. Bates out. Sent from my iPhone On 18 Jan 2012, at 19:08, Ross Thornton ross_thor...@hotmail.com wrote: I can never understand those that seem to accuse howson of getting favour for being from leeds, seems to me he actually gets half the plaudits he deserves because of it. It's easy for neutrals and other clubs to notice that howson is clearly (with snoddy) our best player, its noticeable that Leeds have won only 1 game in his absence, Clayton looks a shadow of the player of the first few game and without howson doing the work alongside him. Yes he hasnt scored as much this season but hes been asked to cover the cracks of a team full of average to poor, inconsistent frees and loans, there is no one else in the leeds side who does as much tracking back, covering and pushing forward creating space. Who can blame a player that has seen all the other half talented players leave in recent seasons (Gradel, johnson, Delph, Schmeicel, and some would argue kilkenny) and probably knows that any remaining ones with any talent (snoddy) or even potential (white, clayton, lees) will soon be off when bates refuses to offer anymore than any of the clubs hoping to go up will offer. Leeds is a club with no ambition and where we sell any decent player then replace them with loans frees and has beens. Why would you stay at a club that has noticably got a weaker squad than last season no one regardless of their opinion on the players can say that kilkenny johnson and gradel are significantly better than brown, vrynenn nunez/sam. Leeds are a mid table side at best this year with the quality of players available to grayson yet a ridiculous amount of fans expect playoffs or more. I am absolutley gutted but will always remember the curler that put us back in the game and eventually after beckford scored got us out of league 1. BATES OUT! Ross From: leedslist-requ...@gn.apc.org Subject: Leedslist Digest, Vol 19, Issue 50 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:40:39 + Send Leedslist mailing list submissions to leedslist@gn.apc.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to leedslist-requ...@gn.apc.org You can reach the person managing the list at leedslist-ow...@gn.apc.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Leedslist digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Disgrace. (Nicholas Armit) 2. Re: Disgrace. (Paul Cundell) 3. Re: Ticket prices - ?34 (SinisterPicturesDB) 4. Re: Disgrace. (Nigel Goodman) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Disgrace.
Well fuck that ! Always thought Johnny was a out and out white - mind you thought the same about smith - in fact still do . Howson will become just another disappointment to Leeds fans and we know what that means .. On 18 Jan 2012, at 22:51, Eric Barlier barl...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not bothered by howson pissing off. probably cause I never recovered from being relegated twice in disgrace. Howsons ambitions are bigger than LUFC, thats why hes leaving I also think B. Johnson helped with this move talking Norwich up etc. Bates MUST leave ASAP. Sent from my iPhone On 18 Jan 2012, at 23:35, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Its the only suitable response I can come up with for your comments which are so far wide of the mark it's untrue. Don't worry I'll use my delete button from now on to stop you buzzing in my ear cos I don't mind admitting that you are doing my head in. You'll be pleased with that -a victory for you. Well done. Don't bother replying, Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2012, at 12:58, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Is that all you can do? Have you got fucking Tourette's or something? -Original Message- From: Richard Walker [mailto:richleed...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: 18 January 2012 12:53 To: Mark Humphries Cc: Nigel Goodman; Lee Jones; Leeds List; Dr. Michael Benjamin. Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace. What a wanker !!! Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2012, at 12:51, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: This is the difference between us. When a player wears the white shirt, I am behind them, regardless of where they came from, or their apparent faults. When they don t want to be here any more, the can fuck off. And Howson hasn t even been our best midfield player this season, out of 2. So why you think he would be in our first choice central midfield pairing if we got into the premier league? If he loved the club enough he would make do with earning 12k a week or whatever it was he would have been offered. -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Richard Walker Sent: 18 January 2012 12:23 To: Nigel Goodman Cc: Lee Jones; Leeds List; Dr. Michael Benjamin. Subject: Re: [LU] Disgrace. Nige, I'm with you on this mate -I cant fucking work cos I'm so wound up about this. And there's folk on here saying 'ah well Howson wouldn't have got in our team next season anyway' For fucks sake Sent from my iPad On 18 Jan 2012, at 10:32, Nigel Goodman fra...@iprimus.com.au wrote: So Very depressed. Feels like the dark ages are really upon us. Whilst Howson was in the team it felt as if one of us were there, playing for, fighting for us. M.O.T. your having a laugh. Nigel. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 19, Issue 50
Seem to remember Cundell getting his frilly little nickers in a twist when I was complaining about our failure to pay market rate in the Summer (re Johnson; Kilkenny). This is true, we can all make mistakes, like when your dad forgot to withdraw. I wouldn't class losing Johnson or Kilkenny in the same league as failing to keep Howson, though. Cheers Paul ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 19, Issue 50
Sharp as ever, brains. Glad to see you're not letting your education get in the way of your ignorance. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 19, Issue 50
Seem to remember Cundell getting his frilly little nickers in a twist when I was complaining about our failure to pay market rate in the Summer (re Johnson; Kilkenny). CBA looking at the digest but imagine some of his 'intelligent musings' would look quite interesting in the context of today's debacle. Ian, I remember your concept of market rate equated to top dollar. Paying every two-bob journeyman a premiership salary in the hope they'll somehow gel as a team and achieve promotion. In other words, the financial policies that caused this mess in the first place under Ridsdale. You don't seem to understand the gulf between premiership wages and championship wages. All that TV money goes straight on the wage bill. Howson has probably been offered three- to four-times his current wages. I'd guess he was currently on about £5-6k a week. Bet he's been offered £20k. That's a pay rise from £300k a year to £1 million. And on a five-year deal, he's guaranteed £5m in total. Set up for life. Can you blame anyone for doing that? We cannot compete with that. If we did, of course, and it became known that Howson was on £1m at Leeds, the rest of the squad would be demanding it too. Financial suicie. Unless a team has a real sugardaddy owner (Leicester, Ipswich, and Southampton are probably the only ones in the Championship at the moment) there is no way even a big championship club can match a mediocre premiership team. Bloody Norwich (unlike strugglers like Wigan or Bolton) of course are an ideal destination for players like Howson - he's guaranteed at least another season in the prem and as long as they hold on to Lambert, they look likely to do a Stoke and stick as a mid-table team for the forseeable future. Get used to where we sit at the tablefor the moment at least. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] palace
Original Message - Got to Victoria just in time for last tube Victoria Line to Finsbury Park. Fell asleep and awoke at Walthamstow, the terminus. No tube back so walked from Walthamstow to to Stround Green taking a short cut across Finsbury Park even though it was locked and closed. I can relate to that except that in my case I always woke up at Cockfosters or if I was lucky at Rayners Lane. As I lived in Wembley you will understand why the second random occurrence was lucky. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] palace
Brother and I on trip back from Zurich woke up literally as train was pulling into Oostende for the ferry. Slept the whole way. How we laughed. From: Rick Duniec ri...@ntlworld.com To: guy.thorn...@inter.nl.net; leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [LU] palace Original Message - Got to Victoria just in time for last tube Victoria Line to Finsbury Park. Fell asleep and awoke at Walthamstow, the terminus. No tube back so walked from Walthamstow to to Stround Green taking a short cut across Finsbury Park even though it was locked and closed. I can relate to that except that in my case I always woke up at Cockfosters or if I was lucky at Rayners Lane. As I lived in Wembley you will understand why the second random occurrence was lucky. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] palace
Brother and I on trip back from Zurich woke up literally as train was pulling into Oostende for the ferry. Slept the whole way. How we laughed. I'll see your Oostende and raise you the north coast of Japan. Can't even tell you where without getting a good Atlas out. Turned out OK because the nightlife area of this very small fishing town was still going strong and they were testing out Kare- Oka machines in this obscure place. Long time ago but I had the chance to kill them dead and missed it. My fail. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 19, Issue 50
I agree with a lot of what you said Mark but I think the fact that Kilkenny got a better offer from Bristol Bloody City shows that we're nowhere near the financial suicide end of the spectrum. We can't even match a lower Championship team for wages yet we have one of the biggest gate revenues. There was also that table that showed that we had got the best value per point in terms of money spent on players. All this shows that Bates is a tight bugger who is stuck in the 80's and thinks that all fans are thickos and will pay regardless of the tosh on offer and also that players are overpaid primadonnas. Well he might be right on the last point but if he's the only bugger standing by that (which he is) then we are going to lose good players to other teams, bigger or smaller, and we'll never be out of this league and could go down even further. Bates has a Rochdale, Tranmere, small time club approach to business and we're fecked with him in charge. too. Financial suicie. Unless a team has a real sugardaddy owner (Leicester, Ipswich, and Southampton are probably the only ones in the Championship at the moment) there is no way even a big championship club can match a mediocre premiership team. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 19, Issue 50
agree with both of you. apologies if I did not offend you which is flavour of the week it seems... Sent from my iPhone On 19 Jan 2012, at 13:13, Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com wrote: I agree with a lot of what you said Mark but I think the fact that Kilkenny got a better offer from Bristol Bloody City shows that we're nowhere near the financial suicide end of the spectrum. We can't even match a lower Championship team for wages yet we have one of the biggest gate revenues. There was also that table that showed that we had got the best value per point in terms of money spent on players. All this shows that Bates is a tight bugger who is stuck in the 80's and thinks that all fans are thickos and will pay regardless of the tosh on offer and also that players are overpaid primadonnas. Well he might be right on the last point but if he's the only bugger standing by that (which he is) then we are going to lose good players to other teams, bigger or smaller, and we'll never be out of this league and could go down even further. Bates has a Rochdale, Tranmere, small time club approach to business and we're fecked with him in charge. too. Financial suicie. Unless a team has a real sugardaddy owner (Leicester, Ipswich, and Southampton are probably the only ones in the Championship at the moment) there is no way even a big championship club can match a mediocre premiership team. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 19, Issue 50
Sent from my iPhone Ian, I remember your concept of market rate equated to top dollar. Paying every two-bob journeyman a premiership salary in the hope they'll somehow gel as a team and achieve promotion. In other words, the financial policies that caused this mess in the first place under Ridsdale. No I didn't - and was very keen to stress as much at the time. Market rate means exactly that, so please don't put words in my mouth to protect your own position adopted in the Summer, which anyone in his right mind can see is twaddle. You don't seem to understand the gulf between premiership wages and championship wages. All that TV money goes straight on the wage bill. Howson has probably been offered three- to four-times his current wages. I'd guess he was currently on about £5-6k a week. Bet he's been offered £20k. That's a pay rise from £300k a year to £1 million. And on a five-year deal, he's guaranteed £5m in total. Set up for life. Can you blame anyone for doing that? We cannot compete with that. If we did, of course, and it became known that Howson was on £1m at Leeds, the rest of the squad would be demanding it too. Financial suicie. Unless a team has a real sugardaddy owner (Leicester, Ipswich, and Southampton are probably the only ones in the Championship at the moment) there is no way even a big championship club can match a mediocre premiership team. Bloody Norwich (unlike strugglers like Wigan or Bolton) of course are an ideal destination for players like Howson - he's guaranteed at least another season in the prem and as long as they hold on to Lambert, they look likely to do a Stoke and stick as a mid-table team for the forseeable future Yeah bloody Norwich eh? Bloody Norwich who were with us in league one, who invested sensibly in their team (not hotels, not executive boxes, not fcking radio stations and not overpaid 'superstar' players). In other words, exactly what I was advocating. And who are now a Premiership side doing reasonably well. Get used to where we sit at the tablefor the moment at least. I will NEVER get used to this position. Our football club is one of the biggest in the country, with income streams to match. The obvious problem (well obvious to anyone with a brain)- is that the club is being run not in the interests of the club, the city or the community, but Ken Bates. But hey Mark, I know you had a great time at a trade fair in Coventry. If only we were Coventry eh? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org PETE CASS (1962 - 2011) Rest In Peace Mate
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