[LU] Re: Steve Gillen

[MarkBursa]

Paula,
 
Just seen this awful news - stay strong,and please pass on my best  wishes 
to Steve. 
 
Get well soon, big fella!


Mark

On 18 Feb 2014 at 8:10, Steve Gillen wrote:

> Hello Leeds  List,
> 
> I am not sure how to contact you all so hopefully
>  this will get about.  My name is Paula Gillen, My
> husband Steve is  a part of your group. I wanted to
> tell you that Steve is in ICU in very,  very
> critical condition.  He has infections that the
>  doctors cannot identify that are attacking his
> body and are trying to  find an antibiotic(s) that
> will be able to kill it. So far they are  only
> managing barely to keep him from dying.  He is on
>  dialysis and has been put into an induced coma and
> is on a ventilator.  They are doing everything they
> can.  My email address is  pgil...@ntlworld.com. I
> have sent this email to my computer in case  things
> go horribly wrong and I can let you know. Please
> keep him  in your thought and prayers. Thank you,
> 
> Paula Gillen
>  
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Re: [LU] Max Gradel

[MarkBursa]

>>I don't think that the stadium should be a place for car salesman or  
Jehovah's Witness conferences, as per Bates and his 'diversified income stream' 
 shit.<<
 
 
OK, so just leave that massive bricks-and-mortar asset standing  unused for 
340 days of the year. Who cares if car dealers or crazy cult  corner pays 
the club money to use a conference room on a wet Tuesday in  February when 
we're not playing? It's a good source of revenue. Can't you see  that? 
 


>>My Bates comment is completely accurate - you supported most of  the 
projects he ran whilst sucking money out of the football club.  You  can't just 
change sides now he's gone. It's just the way that things work, I'm  
afraid.<<
 
 
No, your Bates comment is not accurate. My comments were as relevant to  
GFH, Risible or Manny Cussins. I was talking about the BUSINESS of  running a 
Football Club. Using a skill set called "Objectiivity", which is  clearly 
beyond you.
 
Irrelevant who's in charge. At the time we were stuck with Bates as  
chairman. Nothing much we could do about that, was there. Though I do recall  
you 
coming up with one idea. Just as well it was on this list, not Twitter or  
Facebook, as the finest lawyers in Monaco would have found another source of  
revenue - you.
 
 


>>I'm sure that there are other sources of funding available to  build 
conference centres and loss making radio stations and restaurants.That  funding 
still needs to be paid  back out if the one main source of income  for the 
club - match going fans and player sales. See the last ten years.  Perhaps 
you should support Vodaphone, Virgin or Sainsbury's?<<
 
 
 
Are you just being wilfully dim? If you borrowed money to build a  
conference centre, you should be working to a business plan, where the  revenue 
from 
the conference centre would pay off the money you borrowed over a  set 
period. After that you're generating profits to plough back into the core  
business.
 
Can't you grasp this? It's nothing to do with the personalities involved.  
Just strategies for running a business.
 
 

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Re: [LU] Max Gradel

[MarkBursa]

Ian, why do you assume I simply get information from reading the papers?  
How do you know I don't have better sources?
 
I remain a supporter of developing the stadium. It's pretty grim in many  
places compared to state-of-the-art premiership grounds. Don't you think we  
shouldn't have a decent stadium?
 
The point I have on several occasions tried to make to you is that  
different funding sources are available for capital projects such as building  
developments compared to the funding needed for player transfers. It's just  
the 
way business funding works. The club is a business and should be looking to 
 maximise whatever profit opportunity is available - for the benefit of the 
 business. 
 
Nothing to do with Bates, or whoever is in the boardroom. Your Bates  
comment is a cheap shot, and wholly innacurate.
 
Frankly Ian, I find most of your posts to be childish and immature.  
Everything is so black & white with you. Perhaps you should support  Newcastle.
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 17/12/2013 14:24:25 GMT Standard Time,  
ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com writes:

No you don't have any idea about the deal - only what you have read  
publicised by people with an interest in it. Anyway, cba, even I find this  
boring 
and I'm sure other listers do. 


There's no point in arguing - neither of us will change our minds. I will  
say this though, you were a supporter of Bates' policies in terms of  
redeveloping the ground etc and have zero credibility with me when it comes to  
this stuff.

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Re: [LU] Max Gradel

[MarkBursa]

But there was no option for Smith to stay. ManU offered £7m for him. Under  
what circumstances would the management of a failing business have refused  
that?
 
What Smith said was irrelevant. He had no option to stay, even playing for  
nothing.
 
I have a pretty good idea about the deal. What was reported at the  time 
was pretty accurate. 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 17/12/2013 13:43:39 GMT Standard Time,  
ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com writes:

I'm not a millionaire but yes I would if I professed to love my employer.  
It's not a normal job. Mark, you don't know anything about the ins and outs 
of  the deal. You only know what people with an interest have said in the  
press.

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On 17 Dec 2013, at 21:41, _MarkBursa@aol.com_ (mailto:markbu...@aol.com)  
wrote:



 
It's what happened at the time.
 
No other teams were in for him with £7m. No other teams were in for him  
without expecting us to contribute to his wages. It was not his decision to  
go. The club sold him. He was entitled to a loyalty bonus, which he  waived.
 
Do you seriously expect professional sportsmen to play for nothing?  Would 
you do your job for nothing in order to save your employer?
 
Dreamland.
 
 
 
In a message dated 17/12/2013 13:36:16 GMT Standard Time, 
_ianjamesmurray@hotmail.com_ (mailto:ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com)   writes:

Where is this info from? Lorimer? Same guy who said Howson had to go,  
Grayson had to go etc etc.


I just don't buy it - sorry but other teams were in for him. The ship  was 
sunk anyway and if he was such a hero he would have deferred  wages.

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On 17 Dec 2013, at 21:33, _MarkBursa@aol.com_ (mailto:markbu...@aol.com)  
wrote:



 
OK, run through the alternatives to selling Smith to the only club  that 
tabled an offer that got him off the payroll and helped bail out  the sinking 
ship with £7m?
 
 
M
 
 
In a message dated 17/12/2013 13:22:56 GMT Standard Time, 
_ianjamesmurray@hotmail.com_ (mailto:ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com)   writes:

Facts as stated by whom? I see opinion and statements from  people with an 
interest - I don't see objective facts. The only  objective fact is we went 
down and he decided to sign for them. Our  fans were already at a low ebb 
and definitely did not need that.  

You think he saved the club?  Proposterous.








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Re: [LU] Max Gradel

[MarkBursa]

It's what happened at the time.
 
No other teams were in for him with £7m. No other teams were in for him  
without expecting us to contribute to his wages. It was not his decision to 
go.  The club sold him. He was entitled to a loyalty bonus, which he waived.
 
Do you seriously expect professional sportsmen to play for nothing? Would  
you do your job for nothing in order to save your employer?
 
Dreamland.
 
 
 
In a message dated 17/12/2013 13:36:16 GMT Standard Time,  
ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com writes:

Where is this info from? Lorimer? Same guy who said Howson had to go,  
Grayson had to go etc etc.


I just don't buy it - sorry but other teams were in for him. The ship was  
sunk anyway and if he was such a hero he would have deferred  wages.

Sent from my iPhone

On 17 Dec 2013, at 21:33, _MarkBursa@aol.com_ (mailto:markbu...@aol.com)  
wrote:



 
OK, run through the alternatives to selling Smith to the only club that  
tabled an offer that got him off the payroll and helped bail out the sinking  
ship with £7m?
 
 
M
 
 
In a message dated 17/12/2013 13:22:56 GMT Standard Time, 
_ianjamesmurray@hotmail.com_ (mailto:ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com)   writes:

Facts as stated by whom? I see opinion and statements from  people with an 
interest - I don't see objective facts. The only objective  fact is we went 
down and he decided to sign for them. Our fans were  already at a low ebb 
and definitely did not need that. 

You think  he saved the club?  Proposterous.




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Re: [LU] Max Gradel

[MarkBursa]

OK, run through the alternatives to selling Smith to the only club that  
tabled an offer that got him off the payroll and helped bail out the sinking  
ship with £7m?
 
 
M
 
 
In a message dated 17/12/2013 13:22:56 GMT Standard Time,  
ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com writes:

Facts as  stated by whom? I see opinion and statements from people with an 
interest - I  don't see objective facts. The only objective fact is we went 
down and he  decided to sign for them. Our fans were already at a low ebb 
and definitely  did not need that. 

You think he saved the club?  Proposterous.
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Re: [LU] Max Gradel

[MarkBursa]

>>say, to scum (like Smith - who many Unfathomably still  laud).<<
 
It's pretty fathomable if you look at the facts at the time.
 
M
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Re: [LU] John Sykes

[markbursa]

So sorry to hear that. He was much liked and respected on this list. My 
condolences to you.

Mark

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On 2 Dec 2013, at 18:57, JOHN SYKES  wrote:

> Hello,
> We are sorry to announce the passing of our father, John Sykes, on Nov. 12th. 
>  It was unexpected and quick.  He had been diagnosed with cancer and within 
> two weeks he was gone.
> 
> His love for Leeds United was deep. He was even talking about it , despite a 
> stroke that affected his speech.
> 
> We will be disabling this email address at the end of the year. we will be 
> trying to monitor it until then.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
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Re: [LU] Grampa Sykes

[markbursa]

Very sad news. Is not the good doctor older than you?

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On 2 Dec 2013, at 21:32, j...@boocock.net wrote:

> Very sad news about Grampa Sykes. I've taken the liberty of changing the list 
> footers to mark John's passing. I know I will miss his contributions and our 
> off list conversations. I always think of John as being The Grandfather of 
> the list and I'm not sure he will be replaced. At 75 he was easily our oldest 
> member. At a mere 60 I'm rather hoping we have an older member in waiting. 
> Anyway on behalf of the list I'd like to kick off an IRC style list chant 
> (feel free to join in). 
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Re: [LU] Leeds chairman's ambitions

[MarkBursa]

I'd rather have someone with realistic ambitions than someone who sets wild 
 targets and sacks the manager as soon as the team falls short. Lack of 
bullshit  is refreshing after what we've had to endure for a decade.
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 02/10/2013 15:23:44 GMT Daylight Time,  
ni...@sykesonline.com writes:

Interviewed on Sky Sports, Leeds chairman Salah Nooruddin says that  Leeds
fans "have to be patient" and that he "would not expect to take the  club to
the Premiership this year, nor next year".



So there  you are.  See you in 2015.



Nigel

(the Dublin  one)



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Re: [LU] Luciano!

[markbursa]

Yes. And BMD acknowledges he's unlikely to get him now.

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On 30 Sep 2013, at 14:40, Nicholas Armit  wrote:

> Didn't Gnabry play on Saturday and score (the 18 year old German)? They won't 
> let him go he started the last two games. Maybe I am confusing the names
> 
> 
> 
> From: Errand Fivefold 
> To: Leeds United E-MailList  
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 9:18 AM
> Subject: [LU] Luciano!
> 
> 
>  From the official Twitter/Facebook Feeds
>  
> Leeds United
> Brian McDermott confirmed today that he has made enquiries about Luciano 
> Becchio and Arsenal's Serge Gnabry...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Verner 
> 
> 
> tHe LiTtLe YeLlOw DaFfOdIl @}-,-'--
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Re: [LU] Millwall 2 Leeds 0

[markbursa]

Chelsea, not Arsenal!

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On 30 Sep 2013, at 09:44, John Boocock  wrote:

> I go away for a few days and come back to yet more bickering between Mike and 
> Rob.  Can you two please take this somewhere else. As any competent 
> schoolteacher or parent could tell you this is infantile in the extreme.
> 
> I would also remind everyone that this list is published for the world to 
> read on archive.org so think carefully before you type, you just don't know 
> who might be reading at GCHQ or maybe your employer's HR desk
> 
> Having seen that Arsenal animal scratching a fellow player's face on 
> Saturday, I'm not surprised that football its players and its fans get such 
> appalling press. This sort of bickering doesn't help either.  If you can't 
> contain yourself the best thing you can do is bugger off to 
> knuckledraggers.com or some other lovely spot!
> 
> Betty
> (thouroughly pissed off with this but rather hoping you'll be adult about it 
> - just this once!)
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Re: [LU] Bentley

[markbursa]

Austin 1100 "crap"? Shocking. Issigonis' masterpiece, and Britain's best- 
selling car of the 1960s. 

M

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On 24 Sep 2013, at 16:23, Robert Heath  wrote:

> Hmmm,.fair point.
> 
> There,s no doubt Bentley would be a gamble.he could turn
> out to be a Rolls Royce, but equally he might be an Austin 1100. (Note
> for younger readers: that is nothing to do with our Glorious Captain,
> but in fact is a reference to a very crap car when I were a lad .)
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2013, at 5:02 PM, "n...@6haroldplace.co.uk" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I see your El Hadj Diouf (last season's game vs Brighton aside) and raise 
>> you a
>> Lee Sharpe...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 24 September 2013 at 13:01 Robert Heath  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> He'll be supping at the Last Chance Saloon..might just be a
>>> motivation for him to focus. El Hadj could give him some tips on how to not
>>> be an arrogant knobhead.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 24 September 2013 14:17, Richard Naef
>>> wrote:
>>> 
> He is a massive arrogant knob head isn't he? Even 'Arry Rednapp coudnt get
 through to "the boy!"
> 
> Was only good at Blackburn a few years ago. Binned out by everyone.
 
 yeah, but he's a winger (as well as a whinger) just shy of 30, so surely
 he'll have grown up by now?
 
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[LU] Scumless

[markbursa]

Not a single player from the evil empire in the England XI tonight. When was 
the last time that happened?

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On 9 Sep 2013, at 10:31, David Brennan  wrote:

>> --
>> 
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 10:10:03 +0100
>> From: Jim Moran 
>> To: Ben Thorpe 
>> Cc: leedslist 
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Cometh the time.
>> 
>> He's about the right standard for England.
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> On 7 Sep 2013, at 10:06, Ben Thorpe  wrote:
>> 
>>> Surely Becchio qualifies to play by now??
> 
> 
> Yes but it's not cricket, where I think you only need two receipts to prove 
> you've shopped at Morrisons to qualify to play for England.
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Re: [LU] Transfer window

[markbursa]

That's the most likely scenario. Pretty sensible too.

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On 2 Sep 2013, at 20:14, Jim Moran  wrote:

> Rumour has it we sign absolutely no one. 
> 
> Expect a bucketload of loans coming in after the window shuts.
> 
> --
> 
> On 2 Sep 2013, at 19:30, Robert Heath  wrote:
> 
>> What we want is.
>> 1) Obviously none of our good players (Byram & Lees & Diouffy) leaving
>> 2) Several of our crap players leaving
>> 3) A general exodus of top players from other clubs in our league up
>> to desperate PL outfits.
>> 
>> So far 1 is OK.2 is not, although there are rumors White might
>> leave for Barnsley...and 3 .well Reading & Wigan have lost
>> players so far.
>> 
>> Still a few hrs to go though.
>> 
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Re: [LU] Lemmings away

[MarkBursa]

He was back alongside miserable Mick McCarthy on the bench at Ipswich.  


M


 
In a message dated 29/08/2013 16:44:50 GMT Daylight Time,  
pussaydam...@gmail.com writes:

Didn't  Terry Connor recently get sacked? Sign him back up just for this
match  ;)

Damian


On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Tim Leslie  
wrote:

> Could be a laugh, Geordies  away in next round.
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Re: [LU] Non Lu: Becchio watch

[MarkBursa]

He's on nothing like £30k. I bet top wage at Norwich is less than half  
that. And Becchio won't be anywhere near their top wage. He'll be on £8-10k a  
week tops.
 
M
 
 
In a message dated 19/08/2013 19:16:45 GMT Daylight Time,  
richleed...@yahoo.co.uk writes:

He did  well to make bench in the absence of the injured Gary Hooper. At 
least he  picked up 30k for doing nowt. Pinching a living has never been more  
appropriate.

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[LU] Excellent article from the YEP

[MarkBursa]

Very optimistic piece on the academy. Really encouraging, and sheds some  
light on how bad things were under Colin.
 
http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/latest-whites-news/
leeds-united-sorry-neil-but-you-were-wrong-about-the-academy-redfearn-1-5962
711
 
 
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Re: [LU] is it April 1st

[markbursa]

Yes, but look at Cardiff. Colours, badge, nickname all gone. But they're in the 
prem, so the fans have rolled over and accepted it.

Sent from my iPhone

On 9 Aug 2013, at 13:48, Ian Murray  wrote:

> This is the problem with owners not understanding the culture or the history. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 09/08/2013, at 20:42, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Nigel said
>> If this becomes a trend in Football, I can see it happening for the teams
>> who already have a suitable nickname, like Hull, which puts us in the clear
>> anyway.  At least they're going for "Hull City Tigers" and not just "Hull
>> Tigers", ditching the historic "City" name.
>> 
>> Not quite true Nige - they are going for BOTH forms of the name according to 
>> this
>> 
>> 
>> Allam wants to market the club as Hull City Tigers locally and Hull Tigers 
>> to national and international audiences
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Re: [LU] is everyone dead ?

[markbursa]

At least it's not another light blue Coventry Cityalike strip.

M

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On 22 Jul 2013, at 18:32, Nicholas Armit  wrote:

> It's hideous although I must admit I am starting to like the new home kit.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Verner Hanna (Jnr) 
> To: Jim Moran ; sinisterpicturesDB 
>  
> Cc: "leedslist@gn.apc.org"  
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [LU] is everyone dead ?
> 
> 
> Mustard?
> Colemman's ala Norwich?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Jim Moran" 
> Sent: ‎22/‎07/‎2013 14:53
> To: "sinisterpicturesDB" 
> Cc: "leedslist@gn.apc.org" 
> Subject: Re: [LU] is everyone dead ?
> 
> Dijon mustard yellow. 
> 
> --
> 
> On 22 Jul 2013, at 14:39, sinisterpicturesDB 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Just had a look, gold? How is that gold? It's just light yellow and dark 
>> blue, looks more like a spurs away kit than ours.
>> 
>> 
>> On 22 Jul 2013, at 14:09, "Nigel Sykes"  wrote:
>> 
 the new gold strip is a bit shocking
>> 
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Re: [LU] NON LU: EC ruling on world cup and euro champs

[markbursa]

ECB wanted the Sky deal as the money it generated allowed central contracts 
etc. Which is why we are now thrashing the Aussies on a regular basis. put 
cricket back on free tv and the sport struggles. 

M

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> Just like how we get the cricket free to air here - good stuff eh!
> 
> On 19 July 2013 08:06, Eric B  wrote:
> 
>> So the EC has ruled, for the second time I might add, that all major
>> championships must be aired on free channels. NICE!!
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Eric
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Re: [LU] Burma

[markbursa]

As many of us belived all along, the Spitfires were a myth. A wartime tall tale 
with no substance.

Good positive headlies in the Daily Mail for Dave though.

M

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 wrote:

> Did pan face Camoron dig those buried Spitfires out in the end? Or did he get 
> an intern to do it for him?
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Re: [LU] NON - LU - cricket quiz question (ignore if you listen to Andy Salzman Ashes podcast)

[markbursa]

dunno, looks like a cracking game, whatever happened!

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On 10 Jul 2013, at 11:31, Jim Moran  wrote:

> Quite, the last two batsmen both getting a ton to win a tight game - what the 
> hell was the other team's total? They're going to be gutted to lose this!
> 
> 
> On 10 July 2013 10:22, Ian Murray  wrote:
>> No but it wasn't the question, was it :)
>> 
>> Is it theoretically possible?  The answer is yes.
>> 
>> The chances of the situation happening are remote, in general!
>> 
>> I
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 10/07/2013, at 16:30, markbu...@aol.com wrote:
>> 
>> > 4, run 3, 6 is highly likely at the end of a match when you need 7 off 3 
>> > and you cock up the 3! Running seven is something I've never seen at any 
>> > decent standard of cricket. And as we have two batsmen on 94, we should 
>> > assume this is not an under-11s 20-over thrash? Have you ever seen anyone 
>> > run seven?
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On 10 Jul 2013, at 02:03, Ian Murray  wrote:
>> >
>> >> As opposed to the 4, run 3, 6 scenario?!
>> >>
>> >> The whole situation is unlikely. But the run 7 is theoretically possible.
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >> On 10/07/2013, at 1:03, markbu...@aol.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Took some thought the "run seven" scenario is highly unlikely - 
>> >>> would have to involve some spectacularly bad fielding!
>> >>>
>> >>> And I didn't listen to the blog, honest!
>> >>>
>> >>> Mark
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> > This is the correct answer (or at least the one they gave) do not not 
>> > if there are any others which would work<<
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Dave
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> From: "markbu...@aol.com" 
>> >>> To: "nat...@sky.com" 
>> >>> Cc: leeds list 
>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, 9 July 2013, 15:59
>> >>> Subject: Re: [LU] NON - LU - cricket quiz question (ignore if you listen 
>> >>> to Andy Salzman Ashes podcast)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Ok, here goes...
>> >>>
>> >>> First batsman hits a four off the first ball.
>> >>> He then hits three off the second ball but the umpire rules the second 
>> >>> run was short. So he gets his century but the batsmen have changed ends 
>> >>> and still need one to win.
>> >>> Second batsman hits a six off the last ball to win the match and 
>> >>> complete his ton
>> >>>
>> >>> Mark
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>
>> >>> On 9 Jul 2013, at 16:35, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>> >>>
>>  Last 2 batsmen are both on 94 in a one day game
>>  They need 7 to win and there are 3 balls left
>>  How can they both get a century ?
>> 
>>  Like I say it has come from Andy Saltzman Ashes podcast so no kudos if 
>>  you get the answer from there)
>> 
>>  Makes a change from camel and car quiz questions
>> 
>>  Dave
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Re: [LU] NON - LU - cricket quiz question (ignore if you listen to Andy Salzman Ashes podcast)

[markbursa]

4, run 3, 6 is highly likely at the end of a match when you need 7 off 3 and 
you cock up the 3! Running seven is something I've never seen at any decent 
standard of cricket. And as we have two batsmen on 94, we should assume this is 
not an under-11s 20-over thrash? Have you ever seen anyone run seven?

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On 10 Jul 2013, at 02:03, Ian Murray  wrote:

> As opposed to the 4, run 3, 6 scenario?!
> 
> The whole situation is unlikely. But the run 7 is theoretically possible.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 10/07/2013, at 1:03, markbu...@aol.com wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Took some thought the "run seven" scenario is highly unlikely - would 
>> have to involve some spectacularly bad fielding! 
>> 
>> And I didn't listen to the blog, honest!
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
 This is the correct answer (or at least the one they gave) do not not if 
 there are any others which would work<<
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "markbu...@aol.com" 
>> To: "nat...@sky.com"  
>> Cc: leeds list  
>> Sent: Tuesday, 9 July 2013, 15:59
>> Subject: Re: [LU] NON - LU - cricket quiz question (ignore if you listen to 
>> Andy Salzman Ashes podcast)
>> 
>> 
>> Ok, here goes...
>> 
>> First batsman hits a four off the first ball.
>> He then hits three off the second ball but the umpire rules the second run 
>> was short. So he gets his century but the batsmen have changed ends and 
>> still need one to win.
>> Second batsman hits a six off the last ball to win the match and complete 
>> his ton
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 9 Jul 2013, at 16:35, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Last 2 batsmen are both on 94 in a one day game
>>> They need 7 to win and there are 3 balls left
>>> How can they both get a century ?
>>> 
>>> Like I say it has come from Andy Saltzman Ashes podcast so no kudos if you 
>>> get the answer from there)
>>> 
>>> Makes a change from camel and car quiz questions
>>> 
>>> Dave
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>> 
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Re: [LU] NON - LU - cricket quiz question (ignore if you listen to Andy Salzman Ashes podcast)

[markbursa]

Took some thought the "run seven" scenario is highly unlikely - would have 
to involve some spectacularly bad fielding! 

And I didn't listen to the blog, honest!

Mark


>>This is the correct answer (or at least the one they gave) do not not if 
>>there are any others which would work<<



Dave



From: "markbu...@aol.com" 
To: "nat...@sky.com"  
Cc: leeds list  
Sent: Tuesday, 9 July 2013, 15:59
Subject: Re: [LU] NON - LU - cricket quiz question (ignore if you listen to 
Andy Salzman Ashes podcast)


Ok, here goes...

First batsman hits a four off the first ball.
He then hits three off the second ball but the umpire rules the second run was 
short. So he gets his century but the batsmen have changed ends and still need 
one to win.
Second batsman hits a six off the last ball to win the match and complete his 
ton

Mark

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On 9 Jul 2013, at 16:35, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:

> Last 2 batsmen are both on 94 in a one day game
> They need 7 to win and there are 3 balls left
> How can they both get a century ?
> 
> Like I say it has come from Andy Saltzman Ashes podcast so no kudos if you 
> get the answer from there)
> 
> Makes a change from camel and car quiz questions
> 
> Dave
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Re: [LU] NON - LU - cricket quiz question (ignore if you listen to Andy Salzman Ashes podcast)

[markbursa]

wouldn't work, read the question. "last two batsmen". Run out would end the 
match

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On 9 Jul 2013, at 17:17, Ian Murray  wrote:

> How can you be run out off a 6?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 09/07/2013, at 23:13, "Ed Morrish"  wrote:
> 
>> I didn't hear Zaltzman's show, but surely 6, run out (but cross over), 6?
>> 
>> Ed. 
>> 
>> On 9 Jul 2013, at 15:35, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Last 2 batsmen are both on 94 in a one day game
>>> They need 7 to win and there are 3 balls left
>>> How can they both get a century ?
>>> 
>>> Like I say it has come from Andy Saltzman Ashes podcast so no kudos if you 
>>> get the answer from there)
>>> 
>>> Makes a change from camel and car quiz questions
>>> 
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Re: [LU] NON - LU - cricket quiz question (ignore if you listen to Andy Salzman Ashes podcast)

[markbursa]

Ok, here goes...

First batsman hits a four off the first ball.
He then hits three off the second ball but the umpire rules the second run was 
short. So he gets his century but the batsmen have changed ends and still need 
one to win.
Second batsman hits a six off the last ball to win the match and complete his 
ton

Mark

Sent from my iPhone

On 9 Jul 2013, at 16:35, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:

> Last 2 batsmen are both on 94 in a one day game
> They need 7 to win and there are 3 balls left
> How can they both get a century ?
> 
> Like I say it has come from Andy Saltzman Ashes podcast so no kudos if you 
> get the answer from there)
> 
> Makes a change from camel and car quiz questions
> 
> Dave
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[LU] New boadroom idiocy

[MarkBursa]

Saleh Nooruddin seems to be a bloke with his priorities in the right order. 
 
Honestly, when will we ever have some competent leadership?
 
 
 
http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/latest-whites-news/
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Re: [LU] NON LU: Martinez Compensation

[MarkBursa]

Won one more trophy than Moyes managed in a decade -  with ten times  the 
budget. Martines is a good manager and a good bloke. As for Hughes, a  
certain LUFC goalkeeper's opinions might be worth hearing!
 
M
 
 
In a message dated 30/05/2013 21:25:23 GMT Daylight Time,  
richleed...@yahoo.co.uk writes:

Took  Wigan down , why would Everton want him  ?
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Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 35, Issue 21

[MarkBursa]

Were they angst-ridden teenage girls?
 
Anything vaguely proggy seems purpose-designed to repel women!
 
M
 
 
In a message dated 11/05/2013 16:30:21 GMT Daylight Time,  
ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com writes:

No mate,  music for girls. Really, every girl I went out with in the 90s 
and early 2000s  loved it. Both of them.

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On 11 May 2013, at  23:16, markbu...@aol.com wrote:

> Muse?!?
> 
> Music for  angst-ridden teenagers, surely?
> 
> M
> 
> 
>  In a message dated 10/05/2013 20:55:16 GMT Daylight Time,  
>  wiscole...@hotmail.com writes:
> 
> Will be  seeing Muse at  the Austin City Limits 2013 music festival in 
> October.  
>  Cheers
> Wiscoleeds 
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Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 35, Issue 21

[MarkBursa]

Muse?!?
 
Music for angst-ridden teenagers, surely?
 
M
 
 
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Will be  seeing Muse at the Austin City Limits 2013 music festival in 
October.  
Cheers
Wiscoleeds   
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Re: [LU] a photo of Diouf that led to red card

[MarkBursa]

I think you're looking for "in jest"
 
M
 
 
In a message dated 01/05/2013 10:51:38 GMT Daylight Time, barl...@gmail.com 
 writes:

I dont  mind a bit of stereotyping in gist. is the term gist? I think it is.
gist =  humor? I think u can joke about ANYTHING. I know most people dont
but  hey..
I ve got what you would call a racist joke, but i dont, want to hear  it? 
:-)
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Re: [LU] It was 21 years ago today...

[MarkBursa]

Not quite. We won the Charity Shield on August 8, 1992.
 
/pedant off
 
M
 
 
In a message dated 26/04/2013 09:44:55 GMT Daylight Time,  
ni...@sykesonline.com writes:

.that  Leeds last won anything.



Feeling old  now?



Nigel

(the Dublin  one)



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Re: [LU] New kit

[MarkBursa]

>>Why on earth can't kit manufacturers just give us a simple, classic  
white shirt with some tasteful blue and yellow "piping" down the sleeves and  
(perhaps) on the collar, with a yellow version for the away  kit?<<
 
Amen.
 
And "change" kit, not "away" kit.
 
Only worn when away at a team that also plays in white.
 
I want us playing in white wherever possible. 
 
Not in f*cking Coventry City pale blue.
 
M
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Re: [LU] non LU - Suarez

[MarkBursa]

It's just a shame the horrible little twat didn't bite John Terry instead.  
On the face, perhaps, with the inevitable result of Terry lamping him one, 
thus  ensuring that the pair of them get massive bans.
 
M
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Re: [LU] Optimism alert!

[markbursa]

If all results go our way today, we could be three points off the playoffs with 
two games to play. Highly unlikely, but BMcD has pulled something like this off 
before. 

M
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 14:44:12 
To: Robert Heath
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Subject: Re: [LU] Optimism alert!

Of course you can.
But saying we win all our games. What else must happen.
What are the permutations and probabilities?
If you can be bothered --- I'd be grateful.


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On 20 April 2013 14:38, Robert Heath  wrote:

> Dare I point out that 4 of the 6 teams above us are playing each other
> today?
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Re: [LU] Is Thatcher Dead Yet??

[MarkBursa]

No state funeral.
 
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/45966
 
 
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Re: [LU] FW: Relegation

[markbursa]

He certainly isn't. MES is a Citeh fan!
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 22:53:23 
To: Richard Walker
Cc: 
Subject: Re: [LU] FW:  Relegation

One of my favourites! Despite the fact he is a Salford utd supporter

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On 6 Apr 2013, at 20:42, Richard Walker  wrote:

> Are you the singer of the Fall?
> 
> On 6 Apr 2013, at 20:28, "Mark Smith"  wrote:
> 
>> Relegation odds:
>> http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/championship/relegation
>> Shortest odds is 16/1
>> Next 2 quick succession home games can, I hope, dispel all concerns.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jim Moran
>> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 10:31 AM
>> To: Matt Anderson
>> Cc: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org; Leeds List
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Relegation
>> 
>> What I meant by that is that if we were in 6th, say, I'd be more worried
>> about a team 7 points below us taking our playoff place than I would be of
>> us being relegated now.
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Re: [LU] Relegation

[markbursa]

Would still mean a record-equalling performance. 52pts is the most points for a 
relegated team in the Chaampionship.
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Subject: [LU] Relegation
Sent: 6 Apr 2013 17:18

All those that doubted it last week care to reconsider?? 

5 points bad goal difference 

Relegation haunted Ipswich now above us. Sheffield weds in bottom 3 all season 
will pass us if they win their game in hand. 

Peterborough unbeaten in 8 too. 



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Re: [LU] LU - from our own Mr Whelan.

[MarkBursa]

My own theory is that Paolo thought he was being offered the job of  
managing Sudetenland, not Sunderland.
 
Coat etc.
 
 
In a message dated 04/04/2013 16:45:13 GMT Daylight Time,  
tim.whe...@talk21.com writes:

I  thought I'd leave it for others to judge how amusing my little comic 
piece  was!

Tim W.



From:  Richard Naef 
To: 'Leeds leedslist'   
Sent: Thursday, 4 April 2013,  16:29
Subject: [LU] LU - from our own Mr Whelan.

Since Tim is  obviously too modest to blow his own  trumpet...



http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/leedsunited/fb_news.php?storyid=31781



80  Years ago today- Sunderland boss denies being a Fascist
Thu 04th Apr 2013  13:07 by Tim Whelan

Looking back at the archives from April 1933, we  find that the new
Sunderland manager, Benito Mussolini, gave a terse  statement to a press
conference in which he denied having Fascist  sympathies. 

The new Sunderland manager is a very excitable bald  Italian, who has
previously been photographed giving straight-arm salutes  to large crowds of
right wing supporters in Rome, but yesterday he was  claiming to have been
misquoted when he said "I'm a Fascist, not a  Racist".

Mussolini said "Like my great idol, Paulo Di Canio, I am  opposed to 
violence
and some of my best friends are Jewish. Furthermore,  I've no intention of
forming an alliance with the new Nazi regime in  Germany".

He also promised to stick to football while he was in charge  of Sunderland,
without getting involved in politics. "Back in Italy I am  famous for making
the trains run on time, so you can see that I've had no  influence at all on
the performance of Northern Rail in this part of  England".

Looking to the future, Benito said he was inspired by the  'Invest in 
Africa'
logo on the Sunderland shirt. "I'm already running a  brutal colonial regime
in Libya, and I've got some exciting ideas as to how  we can take this
forward in the next few years by invading  Abyssinia."

But a lot of Sunderland fans remain unconvinced that Il  Duce' was a wise
choice to be their next manager. Ramsay McDonald has  already resigned as a
director, and thousands of unemployed men in nearby  Jarrow are about to
start a march all the way to London to protest about  his  appointment.







ttfn



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Re: [LU] Scummer

[MarkBursa]

Apparently, at QPR his very first action as manager was to commission a new 
 sign for his car parking space: "Mark Hughes MBE, Manager"
 
Wanker.
 
M
 
 
In a message dated 04/04/2013 09:37:24 GMT Daylight Time,  
swin...@yahoo.co.uk writes:

Hughes  emerges as frontrunner for Leeds United job - Latest Whites News 
-  Yorkshire Evening Post - http://is.gd/dj86qf

With his track record and  man management skills Hughescummer looks 
perfect for the job (one's  arse)

Betty
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Re: [LU] DOL

[MarkBursa]

Fetched up on Sky Sports News earlier, wittering on about unfinished  
business and not ruling himself out etc.
 
Hmmm.
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Re: [LU] How many points for safety?

[markbursa]

No team relegated with more than 52pts. Generally 50 is ok
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Subject: Re: [LU] How many points for safety?

7 points ahead. Peterborough beat Cardiff again and wolves won.

If they do same again and we do our usual v derby we are 4-5 points depending 
on results  from the drop with 6 games to play.

I'm getting  a bit worried 

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On 30 Mar 2013, at 18:13, m  wrote:

> I don't see much, though our stats looked like we were stuffing them today.
> 
> Noticed that if wolves or Barnsley made up on us, the points we need to make 
> up on Brighton, they'd be 2 points ahead. Ie were closer to relegation than 
> playoffs, mathematically speaking, despite other results all going our way.
> 
> Yikes.
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Re: [LU] Gentlemen, start your engines...

[MarkBursa]

Further stats...
 
The highest points total for a relegated team from the championship is 52.  
Average point to guarantee survival is 48.
 
 
 
50  points is considered safe in the Championship. So yes, we're  safe.



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dsm...@dsmail.plus.com writes:

Same old  story  then if it holds any truth, us selling our prize assets to 
buy has   beens and securing Championship (or lower league) status for many 
years  to  come. We are so not a Premiership outfit these days.
BTW - anybody  done the  maths yet? Are we safe from relegation this  
season?

Dave   

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Re: [LU] Gentlemen, start your engines...

[MarkBursa]

50 points is considered safe in the Championship. So yes, we're safe.
 
 
 
In a message dated 12/03/2013 14:46:19 GMT Standard Time,  
dsm...@dsmail.plus.com writes:

Same old  story then if it holds any truth, us selling our prize assets to 
buy has  beens and securing Championship (or lower league) status for many 
years to  come. We are so not a Premiership outfit these days.
BTW - anybody done the  maths yet? Are we safe from relegation this season?

Dave  

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Re: [LU] do you wish to rephrase this

[MarkBursa]

>>Thatcher fought for it, won the rebate, defeated communism,  gave half 
the population of Leeds their council house and turned us into a share  owning 
democracy. <<
 
So wrong in so many ways!
 
Throw the corpse on the council tip.
 
M
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Re: [LU] do you wish to rephrase this

[MarkBursa]

So, she was prime minister for a decade or so, oversaw some shitty policies 
 and waged a minor war.
 
Why does that justify the sort of ceremonial burial only reserved for  
senior royals?
 
Last commoner to get a state funeral was Churchill. Thatcher's  
"achievements" are in no way comparable to Churchill's war leadership.
 
By your logic, Tony Blair should get one too.
 
M
 
 
In a message dated 25/02/2013 19:26:56 GMT Standard Time, jsy...@shaw.ca  
writes:

Knowing  how the system works, I'm sure it will be a state funeral.  And  
"rightfully" so too.

Grampa



On 25/02/2013 10:57, Ed  Morrish wrote:
> On 25 Feb 2013, at 14:00, Robert Woodman set   
wrote:
>
>> And Baroness Thatcher  to you mate is alive and well. I for one will be 
demanding a state funeral  when she does depart.
> Surely a privatised one would be more in keeping  with her achievements?
>
> Ed.
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Re: [LU] Clough

[markbursa]

IF ONLY... The game in May 72 v Wolves had been played two days later. We would 
have won the double, and Clough would not have won the league with Derby. Would 
have changed a lot of things. 

Clough's skill was moulding teams out of unknown players. He patently could not 
handle established star players, as was proven in those 44 fatal days. 

He'd have been equally useless as England manager.
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Subject: Re: [LU] Clough

I am sure that one of the two great IF ONLIES about LUFC is NOT if only
Clough had stayed, but is if only Giles had been given the job.

(The other one is of course if only Lorimer's goal in Paris had not been
disallowed.)

On 25 February 2013 13:46, Robert Woodmansey  wrote:

> Rog
>
> I think Taylor was the "politician" that people warmed to, so that may
> well have been the case.
> But just admit it, the bloke had talent for finding quality and bringing
> them on
>
> he got Roy Keane to NF from some mickey mouse Irish team for the price of
> a cup of team and  biscuits.
> …Roy McFarland from…(Bradford ? ) and turned him into an international at
> Derby
> John McGovern, I think he was at Hartlepool with him
> Colin Todd chose cloughie instead of the Don ….remember that one ?
>
> He made Des Walker, Steve Hodge, Lee Glover….and Im sure ~I could come up
> with a long list given time….
>
> Admit it Rog, he was a loss. He was the right man , Bremner , Giles and co
> just could not stand him.
>
>
>
>
> On 25 Feb 2013, at 10:19, RM Goodair wrote:
>
> > Right man at the wrong time Rob – he should never have followed the Don.
> >
> > He took over the best team in England and turned us in to relegation
> material within 44 days.  If Taylor had come with him I believe the outcome
> would have been very very different.
> >
> > Rog
> >
> > Roger M Goodair
> > Head of IT Support and Telecoms
> > University of Bradford
> > Richmond Road
> > BRADFORD
> > BD7 1DP
> >
> > Tel:  01274 235332
> > Email:  r.good...@bradford.ac.uk
> >
> > From: Robert Woodmansey [mailto:rob.woodman...@me.com]
> > Sent: 25 February 2013 10:12
> > To: r.good...@bradford.ac.uk
> > Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> > Subject: [LU] Duncan McKenzie
> >
> > I wouldn't say I was the best manager in the business. But I was in the
> top one.
> >
> > You can't take it away from Cloughie, he was a one off and it has to be
> the major regret of anyones life
> > that he won consecutive European cups with NF rather than Leeds.
> >
> > I know the dressing room wanted Giles. But admit it Rog, what "should
> have been" still wrankles.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [LU] Bayern

[MarkBursa]

>>Bygones can rest in peace especially when anyone  
associated with the club in that year may possible be staring at wall paper 
 
and dribbling these days if not departed the land of the  living<<
 
 
Beckenbauer is club president, isn't he? Still remember him moaning  at the 
linesman, getting Lorimer's perfectly good goal disallowed because  Bremner 
was in an offside position, though not interfering with play. I'm not  
forgiving anyone there.
 
M
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Re: [LU] went into town today then watched Oldham v Everton

[MarkBursa]

In the post-match interview, the Oldham keeper seemed to suggest that he  
thought he could score a legitimate goal with his hand - hence his ludicrous  
hands-aloft leaps for the crosses. Footballers really are that thick.
 
M
 
 
 
 
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dsm...@dsmail.plus.com writes:

Yep,  that's exactly what I was watching and the pencil line for me shows 
it 
as  off side. You obviously see it differently.
There was a lot of rough and  tumble in the goal mouth before Oldham's 
second 
goal, but more times than  not in this day and age, keepers get the benefit 
- 
wrongly or rightly,  that's what happens.
Still, it's all subjective and that's what keeps us  all going through the 
season. I wanted Oldham to score, what neutral  didn't?
Hope they do better in the replay than we did today against  City.

Dave


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Re: [LU] Albert Johansen (was Robbie Rogers)

[MarkBursa]

Rick,
 
The Doctor is skimping on the meds again.
 
I've read interviews with Albert where he details how welcome he was made  
to feel in the Leeds dressing room. He'd come from South African apartheid, 
and  expected the changing rooms to be segregated. His team-mates told him 
not to be  so daft, and threw him in the bath. Race was not an issue in the 
Leeds team, for  sure.
 
He was much loved by Leeds fans too. There were virtually no black players  
at this time (Clyde Best at west Ham was the only other one I can remember 
from  the '60s). Sure there would have been the usual shot from away fans,  
inevitably.
 
Personally, as a young lad who'd been captivated by the 66 World Cup (where 
 black players such as Pele, and especially Eusebio, had been showcased) it 
 seemed exciting that we had Albert in our team. And he was very good - a 
proper,  pacy winger.
 
Sadly injuries (including the sort that would be easily fixable with a bit  
of keyhole surgery) really disrupted his career. He got crocked in the 65 
cup  final. And later Peter Lorimer made the right side of midfield his own, 
so  Albert was on the fringes.
 
He wasn't looked after when he finished playing, and the story of latter  
years were was a sad one. Not sure these lessons have been learned, looking 
at  Gazza, Michael Johnson etc.
 
Mark
 
 
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-  Original Message - 
Most definitely.They cursed him. Poor sod. There  was no tolerance then


Who is "they"  ?
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Re: [LU] Hope on the horizon ???

[markbursa]

All the best people are from Wakey

Mark (born in Wakey, exiled in Surrey)



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Subject: Re: [LU] Hope on the horizon ???


Wakey-Leeds abroad. I'm pretty sure I got my job here in Perth because my boss 
although Aussie now) went to school in Wakey. Like me.
On on on.
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On 8 Feb 2013, at 20:07, "Nigel Sykes"  wrote:
>>> I went to school with Pearson
> Pearson is Irish?
 
 Lol!  No - he's a Yorkshireman, just like me.  We went to school in
 Wakefield - his family lived in a big house on a corner, on Dewsbury Road.
 
 I, like many on the List, am just a Yorkshire exile...
 
 Nigel
 (the Dublin one)
 
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Re: [LU] LU: Stand up for GFH

[MarkBursa]

A lot depends on what happens at QPR. Before 'arry took over, we were in  
for several of Colin's old lags - Mackie, Hill and Derry.
 
But Redknapp seems to be using these players to put some backbone into QPR, 
 and he'll only sell if he can bring in better players.
 
That depends on who Spurs are prepared to let go, as Harry wants trusted  
players who can do a quick fix for him.
 
Actually QPR are in a similar position to us - they're about four points  
off where they want to be, and both managers want to bridge the gap using the 
 same sort of tough players who've done it before.
 
I don't expect we'll see much action until the last day.
 
M
 
 
 
In a message dated 29/01/2013 11:47:58 GMT Standard Time,  
andyclayto...@gmail.com writes:

Kasparov  Gorkss - defender, Reading.
Habit Habibou - striker, Zulte Waregem
Arune  Dindane - free agent
Paddy McCourt - Celtic
Nakhi Wells - striker,  Bradford City
Dexter Blackstock - forest
Stephen Warnock -  Villa

There's a load of others from lower leagues too, but I reckon our  signings 
will come from the list  above.

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Re: [LU] Worst player

[MarkBursa]

McGovern and O'Hare.
 
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qv1DhdPAS8_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qv1DhdPAS8) 
 
 
In a message dated 26/01/2013 00:49:27 GMT Standard Time,  
ws.callag...@live.co.uk writes:

The 2 Muppets that Clough brought to Leeds were shite  too, though it's
that long ago I can't remember their  names
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Re: [LU] Worst player

[MarkBursa]

In among this fest of fantasy self-flagellation, we've managed to dump  
Danny Pugh on Sheffield Wednesday, and we're being linked with Richard Chaplow, 
 who looked a good prospect a few years ago (we nearly signed him once  
before).
 
Carry on. Can't believe nobody's mentioned Kevin Nicholls yet.
 
M
 
 
In a message dated 25/01/2013 18:06:21 GMT Standard Time,  
jeremyadam...@hotmail.com writes:


Has  no one mentioned Carlton Palmer yet? He would give Becchio a run for 
his money  in the rubbish stakes.

> From: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
> Date:  Fri, 25 Jan 2013 17:18:59 +
> To: c_bri...@hotmail.co.uk
> CC:  leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Worst player
> 
>  What about Becchio - surely in terms of pure footballing skills the 
worse  player in history.. Caswell & co were crap but could all trap a  ball.
> 
> 

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Re: [LU] ER buyback option (was Was Brum - Now 2013)

[MarkBursa]

>>My father comes from Lvov/Lviv <<
 
 
Rick, you and I have similar roots - my father came from Tarnopol - like  
Lvov, Polish then, Ukrainian now.
 
Very entertaining post, BTW!
 
Mark
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Re: [LU] Was Brum - Now 2013

[MarkBursa]

>>and drove a Ford Triumph!<<
 
a what?!?!
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Re: [LU] Brum

[markbursa]

Sensible post of the day award!
--Original Message--
From: Nigel Sykes
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To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Brum
Sent: 6 Jan 2013 18:22

There's a surprising amount of anti-new-owners stuff coming out - I'm never one 
to support 'The Man', but FFS, give 'em a chance!  There's no point complaining 
about a lack of investment when they're all of 3 working days into the transfer 
window. We all know that the majority of deals (somewhat unfathomably) go 
through in the last few days, not the first few. 

And in any case, they've made it clear that they're not sugar daddies with a 
limitless pot o' gold, so I would expect that the best we can hope for is some 
sensible squad bolstering by the end of the month. 

As for getting rid of Bates for good - that's a pipe dream, so get over it. It 
seems clear that having him around was a condition of the sale, so we just have 
to hope that they push him out of the day to day running of the club (and all 
our minds) ASAP...

Nigel
(the Dublin one)
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Re: [LU] clough revie... again

[MarkBursa]

Clough's skill was building a ground-up team out of journeymen. He was out  
of his depth with the world-class players at Leeds. Wrong man for the job.
 
M
 
 
 
 
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ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com writes:

Just  think if we had have kept Clough. Cantona moment in my opinion.

Love  revie but who cares, really? He left us. We should have stuck with  
Clough.
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Leeds United Supporters Trust - Message from the Chairman

[MarkBursa]

Seriously, take this to the Press Complaints Council.
 
It might be toothless and discredited, but in the current climate, it might 
 just act.
 
M
 
 
In a message dated 19/12/2012 18:18:18 GMT Standard Time,  
j...@jimmoran.co.uk writes:

Dignity.

And people still back Bates?

I wouldn't even  wipe my arse with the Daily Mail.


On 19 December 2012 17:12, John  Boocock  wrote:

>
> *Message from the  Chairman*
>
> There are a few days in your life you never forget:  your wedding day,
> the birth of a child, and the day we beat the red  half of Manchester in
> the FA Cup at Old Trafford are a few of mine.  Today is another one of
> those days for me and for that I have the  support shown to me by our
> members and the wider Leeds United fan base  to thank, following the
> publication of an article in The Daily Mail  which had no purpose other
> than to discredit me personally, and the  very good work that we as
> volunteers have done on your behalf as  LUST.
>
> When I was contacted yesterday by Neil Ashton of The  Daily Mail and he
> told me of his intentions to print the article I  asked him what his
> motivation was for doing so, and he couldn’t answer  other than to say he
> felt it was in the public interest. The  intimation was that I had upset
> someone enough for them to take the  time to look at my background and my
> family history, investigate my  personal financial affairs and publish a
> story that doesn’t tell even  a quarter of the facts or have any moral
> consideration for the  innocent people it would hurt - namely my wife and
> children who have  done nothing to deserve private family matters being
> made public for  all to see. That didn’t matter to Neil Ashton, nor did
> it matter to  his ‘source,’ but it mattered to me not because of any hurt
> or  embarrassment to myself but because of what it could do to my family,
>  and to the loyal members of LUST for whom all of the work the board  and
> I have done has been for and about.
>
> Today I have  read the replies to the email I felt it was vital we sent
> out  yesterday, firstly to be honest with our membership and secondly to
>  give you all the option to decide if you have confidence in me. You  did
> just that in your thousands and overwhelmingly you decided I  should stay
> on as Chairman. Not only that but some of the kind words  in the replies,
> on the social media and the forums and in the texts,  emails, PMs and DMs
> I received right the way through the night have  made me feel so lucky to
> be part of a family as proud, as dignified  and as supportive as the
> Leeds United supporters are. In my hour of  need you did not let me down,
> at a time when I desperately needed your  support, to know you had
> confidence and believed in me and what we are  trying to achieve as a
> Trust, you came forward in your thousands and  offered your support.
>
> I will never forget today. I will never  be more proud to be Leeds and I
> will never be able to thank you all  for your kind words, and it will
> always remain a fact that whoever I  have upset enough for them to take
> the time and effort to become the  ‘source’ for such an article, they
> will never ever know what it feels  like to be Leeds and Proud.
>
> On behalf of my family and myself  I offer my genuinely heart felt thanks
> to you all and a promise that  your faith in me will never be forgotten.
> The Trust will continue to  work for its members and a better future for
> all Leeds fans regardless  of the ups and downs life throws at us.
>
> It's therefore fitting  that on the day our members have united behind
> their Chairman that our  club faces an old foe, and I would ask
> all Leeds fans to unite and get  behind the team on the pitch: this is a
> game we can win. Let's be the  12th man. Let's beat Chelsea. MOT.
>
> Gary
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Re: [LU] Takeover

[MarkBursa]

>>
 
Not sure what you're basing that claim on. But I assume you've read  that 
somewhere, based on some reported wealth that'll be based on company  results 
and tax records. In which case, you haven't been paying  attention!  All 
these shell companies in the Caribbean are designed  solely to hide just such 
details and make it look like the man doesn't have  anything like the money 
he really has. 

I'm sure he's  minted!<<


 
He's estimated to be worth about £30 million (FourFourTwo published  a 
football wealth league table a year or so ago). Which is minted for you or  I, 
but relatively poor for a championship club owner, compared to the likes of  
Marcus Evans at Ipswich or the Liebherr family, whose wealth helped get  
Southampton promoted last year.
 
Bates is one of the least wealthy championship club chairmen.
 
M
 
 



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Re: [LU] Takeover

[MarkBursa]

He hasn't got enough money to be an investor.
 
He's one of the poorest club chairmen in the championship
 
In every sense of the word!
 
M
 
 
In a message dated 18/12/2012 15:22:27 GMT Standard Time,  
richleed...@yahoo.co.uk writes:

of  course he is ! 




From: Nigel  Sykes 
To: Leeds List   
Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2012,  15:18
Subject: Re: [LU] Takeover

> I'm happy to openly say  I believe he owns or has an interest in that 
company 
> and had  benefitted from the rent the club paid to that company.

I'm still far  from convinced that the old scrote isn't the "unnamed 
investor" behind the  current take-over fiasco as well!

Nigel
(the Dublin  one)

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Re: [LU] Chris Houghton

[markbursa]

#theresnothingwrongwithfacebookandtwitterinfacttheyregoodfunsolongasyoudontnameseventiescelebsortorypoliticiansasnonces
--Original Message--
From: Tim Leslie
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Sent: 11 Dec 2012 10:06

I can easily beat that Damien:

#managedtoavoidtwitterfacebookandanyrealitytvshowEVERthankyou :-)

> R U Satan & should I be tempted?
>
> #managedtoavoidtwitteruptonowthankyou ;)
>
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Matt Anderson
> wrote:
>
>> I would retweet that if it was on twitter!


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Re: [LU] Becchio, Grayson and Hotshot.

[MarkBursa]

Perhaps he was worried that Luciano would take his all-time scoring  record!
 
 
 
>>Wonder whether HotShot thought Becchio was crap OR there  was interest 
from other teams.   <<

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Re: [LU] Takeover done !!!

[MarkBursa]

Look  at the history of Bates and Chelsea. This is the "Matthew Harding" 
stage.  Hopefully it'll bring about enough money to get us competitive with 
the  Leicesters and Cardiffs and out of this league by the end of next season. 
It's  still just possible (if unlikely) this season if the money is 
available in  January and Warnock buys well.
 
The  "Abramovich" stage comes when we're back in the prem. That's when 
we'll  finally get rid of Bates. Meanwhile he's got a couple more years of 
sitting  on league committees, stirring up shit. 
 
I'm sure  GFH is some kind of stalking horse for a big investor, which will 
only press teh  button when we're in the prem. 
 
M
 
 
 
>>Although I am a little suspicious about the deal, as there  are many
questions yet to be answered, can't we take it on face  value?

After 21st Dec Bates will be Chairman in name only - quite a  normal step I
believe when new business owners take over a going  concern.  GFH C (with a
financial backer) will be 100% owners.   Surely that means no more money
into Bates' pockets?  Isn't this the  main reason the "boycotters" were
staying away?

I honestly think that  the majority of the boycotters would come up with any
excuse not to go,  instead of just admitting:

- I don't miss it
- I've grown out of it
- I can't afford it
-  I've found other things to do
- I prefer shopping with the  wife
- I prefer decorating with the wife
- The  wife says I don't want to go anymore  ;-)

What I (we?) wanted was  new investors to inject cash into the playing team
- isn't this what we've  got?  Why not give them our support, at least you
can stop again if they  don't back up their talk after the transfer window?

I for one am taking  it on face value - we have new owners.  Give it a
chance.

Ted  H
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Re: [LU] Watford report

[MarkBursa]

>>His selection and decisions during the game beggar belief. Playing  Green 
in defence with Lees on the bench? <<
 
 
His eye injury is quite serious (damaged retina - it does heal quickly but  
he shouldn't play for a couple of weeks at least) and could become much 
worse if  he took another blow. Suspect that was a "last resort" situation - if 
we'd been  defending a narrow lead and a defender got injured, Lees might 
have come on  toward the end. Otherwise he wasn't going to be risked. 
Surprised he was on the  bench at all - maybe that was NW's attempt to show how 
threadbare the squad  is.
 
M
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Re: [LU] non LU - 'racist ref'

[markbursa]

This is precisely the theory I put forward the other day to Mrs B straight 
after it happened: "cut out the monkey business", or something like that. Far 
too ridiculous...
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-Original Message-
From: Verner Hanna 
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To: David Nattan; leeds list
Subject: Re: [LU] non LU - 'racist ref'

Heard the same thing last night from a "footballing" source. Mad if true!

-Original Message-
From: David Nattan
Sent: 05/11/2012 18:39
To: leeds list
Subject: [LU] non LU - 'racist ref'

Not sure how true it is but at gym today the 'word on the street' was that
Clattenburg was overheard by Ramirez (?) who speaks very little English.
What he is supposed to have happened was Mikel was moaning to him about a
decision and he replied "I don't give a monkeys"
Ramirez has heard the word monkey and put 2 and 2 together and made 5 !

Like I say that is the rumour around these parts and I am not sure of the
veracity of it all -but if correct is does seem totally ridiculous that it
has not been cleared up by now

Dave
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Re: [LU] Jerome Cameron anyone?

[markbursa]

Cameron Jerome would be better! Also heard us linked with Kenwyne Jones...
--Original Message--
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Sent: 24 Oct 2012 19:11


Teamtalk has us rumoured to be in for Jerome Cameron on loan. Got to be a 
better bet than Becchio.

  
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Re: [LU] utter shite

[markbursa]

Despite being shite, we have moved up two places. Still thereabouts...
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Sent: 23 Oct 2012 21:48


we were lucky with a draw by the sounds of it. Kenny saves us at the end, I 
suspect dismal reports from anyone brave enough to attend tonight...

shocking... we could have been 4th as well after other results...

MOT... I think

Andy


  
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Re: [LU] Friday night knobhead.

[MarkBursa]

>>It was a very very minor assault and does not warrant 4 months in the  
big house, IMHO of course.<<
 
True if it had been outside a pub, but it was on a football field,  against 
a player, during a game.
 
In my book, that's crossing a line that should not be crossed, and as  a 
result, the strongest sentence available should be applied.
 
It wasn't, according to Sky Sports News, "because he had pleaded  guilty".
 
Run it past me how he might have pleaded not guilty??
 
I suspect, Ian, you'd be calling for the same punishments that I'm calling  
for if it had been a Wednesday fan who'd pushed Kenny in the face.
 
M
 

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Re: [LU] Friday night knobhead.

[MarkBursa]

Pathetic.
 
Should have got at least 12 months, and a life ban from all football.  
Tagged till the day he dies and forbidden from travelling when Leeds are  
playing. The law, I'm afraid, is an ass.
 
M
 
 
In a message dated 22/10/2012 13:31:36 GMT Daylight Time,  
seanscr...@aol.com writes:

Why  can't this guy be given a lifetime banning order? He's breached two 
previous  ones and assaulted a player on the field? What more does it take to 
be banned  from football grounds for life? It's amazing how lenient this  is.


Sean



-Original Message-
From: Chris  Briggs 
To: Leeds United E-Mail List  
Sent: Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:16 am
Subject:  [LU]  Friday night knobhead.



4 months inside, more than  likely released on licence in 2.

Not much detail has been released but  I am assuming that the 4 months 
inside is 
for the breach of the previous  banning order rather than the assault.



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Re: [LU] Yesterday...

[MarkBursa]

Why the fuck wasn't he arrested at the end of the game? 
 
 
>>When I left the lads at the pub yesterday, I said the incident will  be on
Youtube allready... I was right, and allthough YEP still says that  police
will try to find this man, there were names, pictures, phone numbers  all
over the place before game ended, so should not be impossible for them...  
(I
still can not believe why he was not caught by the guards on his way back  
to
the seat; that is another story)

IMHO I also think it should be  possible to prevent one person for entering
the field, it was not like  hundreds coming in to the pitch was  it?<<
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Re: [LU] Poor

[markbursa]

Twat's a serial offender though - already on a banning order. Courts will make 
an example of him surely, and he'll also get a life ban. Something's wrong if 
he doesn't.
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From: Chris Briggs 
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 22:37:37 
To: markbu...@aol.com
Cc: Richard Walker; 
leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org; Nicholas 
Armit; 
Subject: Re: [LU] Poor

There are a couple of obvious offences in this;
Firstly, entering the field of play. This is normally dealt with by way of a 
fine.
Secondly, the assault on Kirkland, this is possibly a Common Assault (the CPS 
could say different), this can bring a maximum sentence of up to 26 weeks .

If the offender gets custody an ancillary banning order from attending football 
matches, travelling on the railways on matchdays is put in place for 10 years.


On 19 Oct 2012, at 22:13, markbu...@aol.com wrote:

> It does seem to be drilled in to all footballers to hit the deck if 
> punched/slapped. If someone did that to you in the street I doubt you'd fall 
> down. Not excusing it though. That twat needs 12 months in jail, and 
> informing that he'll never see another football match till the day he dies
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Richard Walker 
> Sender: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org
> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 22:05:40 
> To: Nicholas Armit
> Cc: ; 
> 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Poor
> 
> Yep.
> 
> It's like the world has ended cos of one idiot.
> 
> I quite liked WRnock's comment - their keeper went down like a sack of spuds. 
> 
> It wasn't even a punch. He'd never make a rugby player.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 19 Oct 2012, at 22:02, Nicholas Armit  wrote:
> 
>> Watching in a pub with fellow lister Alan in Michigan. We are both outraged 
>> by how shite we are.
>> 
>> Wasn't Jones the molester from 10 years ago?
>> 
>> From: Richard Walker 
>> To: Ian Murray  
>> Cc: "" ; 
>> ""  
>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 5:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Poor
>> 
>> The whole interview was about his hatred of Leeds fans. He went further , he 
>> had a go at Warnock for waving to the Leeds fans at the end.
>> 
>> The interviewer said ' so you're judging all Leeds fans by one idiot'
>> 
>> To which Jones said 'Yes'
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 21:56, Ian Murray  wrote:
>> 
>>> Did he actually say that? What a twat.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 19 Oct 2012, at 21:56, "Richard Walker"  wrote:
>>> 
 Dave jones - wanker. We're all vile, animals and should all be banned from 
 every ground in the country. From the ex- manager of Cardiff
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 19 Oct 2012, at 21:48, Mark Tuffey  wrote:
 
> 
>> Got to say I thought that was a terrible performance and as for Becchio 
>> that was the worse performance of a Leeds career full of diabolically 
>> poor performances. He is just not good enough to take us forward and I 
>> find it so frustrating to watch his efforts. 1 goal in 8 from open play.
> 
> 
> Couldn't agree more.
> Cheers
> Wiscoleeds
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Re: [LU] Poor

[markbursa]

Certainly looks like him. Hopefully he's already been nicked
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From: "Nigel Sykes" 
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 22:12:31 
To: 'Richard Walker'; 'Nicholas 
Armit'
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Subject: Re: [LU] Poor

People on Facebook naming the numpty as Aaron Cawley.

Interesting piece from over a year ago about him here:

http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/Football-fan-says-m-hooligan-ban-brea
ch/story-13251413-detail/story.html

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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Behalf Of Richard Walker
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Subject: Re: [LU] Poor

Yep.

It's like the world has ended cos of one idiot.

I quite liked WRnock's comment - their keeper went down like a sack of
spuds. 

It wasn't even a punch. He'd never make a rugby player.

Sent from my iPad

On 19 Oct 2012, at 22:02, Nicholas Armit  wrote:

> Watching in a pub with fellow lister Alan in Michigan. We are both
outraged by how shite we are.
> 
> Wasn't Jones the molester from 10 years ago?
> 
> From: Richard Walker 
> To: Ian Murray  
> Cc: "" ;
""  
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 5:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [LU] Poor
> 
> The whole interview was about his hatred of Leeds fans. He went further ,
he had a go at Warnock for waving to the Leeds fans at the end.
> 
> The interviewer said ' so you're judging all Leeds fans by one idiot'
> 
> To which Jones said 'Yes'
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 19 Oct 2012, at 21:56, Ian Murray  wrote:
> 
> > Did he actually say that? What a twat.
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > On 19 Oct 2012, at 21:56, "Richard Walker" 
wrote:
> > 
> >> Dave jones - wanker. We're all vile, animals and should all be banned
from every ground in the country. From the ex- manager of Cardiff
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >> 
> >> On 19 Oct 2012, at 21:48, Mark Tuffey  wrote:
> >> 
> >>> 
>  Got to say I thought that was a terrible performance and as for
Becchio that was the worse performance of a Leeds career full of
diabolically poor performances. He is just not good enough to take us
forward and I find it so frustrating to watch his efforts. 1 goal in 8 from
open play.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Couldn't agree more.
> >>> Cheers
> >>> Wiscoleeds
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Re: [LU] Poor

[markbursa]

It does seem to be drilled in to all footballers to hit the deck if 
punched/slapped. If someone did that to you in the street I doubt you'd fall 
down. Not excusing it though. That twat needs 12 months in jail, and informing 
that he'll never see another football match till the day he dies
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From: Richard Walker 
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 22:05:40 
To: Nicholas Armit
Cc: ; 

Subject: Re: [LU] Poor

Yep.

It's like the world has ended cos of one idiot.

I quite liked WRnock's comment - their keeper went down like a sack of spuds. 

It wasn't even a punch. He'd never make a rugby player.

Sent from my iPad

On 19 Oct 2012, at 22:02, Nicholas Armit  wrote:

> Watching in a pub with fellow lister Alan in Michigan. We are both outraged 
> by how shite we are.
> 
> Wasn't Jones the molester from 10 years ago?
> 
> From: Richard Walker 
> To: Ian Murray  
> Cc: "" ; 
> ""  
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 5:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [LU] Poor
> 
> The whole interview was about his hatred of Leeds fans. He went further , he 
> had a go at Warnock for waving to the Leeds fans at the end.
> 
> The interviewer said ' so you're judging all Leeds fans by one idiot'
> 
> To which Jones said 'Yes'
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 19 Oct 2012, at 21:56, Ian Murray  wrote:
> 
> > Did he actually say that? What a twat.
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > On 19 Oct 2012, at 21:56, "Richard Walker"  wrote:
> > 
> >> Dave jones - wanker. We're all vile, animals and should all be banned from 
> >> every ground in the country. From the ex- manager of Cardiff
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >> 
> >> On 19 Oct 2012, at 21:48, Mark Tuffey  wrote:
> >> 
> >>> 
>  Got to say I thought that was a terrible performance and as for Becchio 
>  that was the worse performance of a Leeds career full of diabolically 
>  poor performances. He is just not good enough to take us forward and I 
>  find it so frustrating to watch his efforts. 1 goal in 8 from open play.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Couldn't agree more.
> >>> Cheers
> >>> Wiscoleeds
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Re: [LU] Poor

[markbursa]

He should listen to his own fans.
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From: Richard Walker 
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 21:56:09 
To: Mark Tuffey
Cc: ; 
; 

Subject: Re: [LU] Poor

Dave jones - wanker. We're all vile, animals and should all be banned from 
every ground in the country. From the ex- manager of Cardiff

Sent from my iPad

On 19 Oct 2012, at 21:48, Mark Tuffey  wrote:

> 
> > Got to say I thought that was a terrible performance and as for Becchio 
> > that was the worse performance of a Leeds career full of diabolically poor 
> > performances. He is just not good enough to take us forward and I find it 
> > so frustrating to watch his efforts. 1 goal in 8 from open play.
> > 
> 
> 
> Couldn't agree more.
> Cheers
> Wiscoleeds

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Re: [LU] Poor

[markbursa]

Bigger problem is our utter inability to defend set pieces. Been like that for 
years...
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From: Mark Tuffey 
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 15:48:31 
To: ; 
Cc: ; 
Subject: RE: [LU] Poor



> Got to say I thought that was a terrible performance and as for Becchio that 
> was the worse performance of a Leeds career full of diabolically poor 
> performances. He is just not good enough to take us forward and I find it so 
> frustrating to watch his efforts. 1 goal in 8 from open play.
> 


Couldn't agree more.
Cheers
Wiscoleeds
  
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Re: [LU] Cnut

[markbursa]

Fortunately the twat did it on HD TV. Easy to ID him. Tattoo on his neck. 
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Subject: Re: [LU] Cnut


glad to see we are all of same opinion here chaps... 1 - 1 never the less... 
but shocking and that will do us no good at all
 > From: ws.callag...@live.co.uk
> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 21:26:23 +0100
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] Cnut
> 
> That's us fined and deducted points, I hope they give the cnut 12 months in 
> armley. 
> 
> Wayne 
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Re: [LU] Dozy bollocks

[markbursa]

1-1 Tonge screamer
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Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 21:10:55 
To: Richard Walker
Cc: 
Subject: Re: [LU] Dozy bollocks

Could well be diouf's first melt down self destruct too

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On 19 Oct 2012, at 21:08, Richard Walker  wrote:

> Byram no right back, Peltier no left back, white no right winger, Tonge no 
> left winger and Becchio no footballer.
> 
> 2-1 to Leeds
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 19 Oct 2012, at 21:05, Mark Tuffey  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I'm just checking because we have list members who require that you prove 
>> certification and credentials:-)
>> Cheers
>> Mark 
>> El Presidente Wisconsin Whites 
>> Leeds United 
>> Chicago Fire
>> 
>> 
>>> From: jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
>>> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
>>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 19:59:57 +
>>> Subject: Re: [LU] Dozy bollocks
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sure am Mark, I've watched football and played football for over 40 years. 
>>> Besides I can't sing for toffee but I know Kajagoogoo were crap.
>>> Jeremy
>>> 
>>> From: wiscole...@hotmail.com
>>> To: jeremyadam...@hotmail.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
>>> Subject: RE: [LU] Dozy bollocks
>>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 14:39:17 -0500
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jeremy, are you qualified to discuss Beechio's footballing capabilities?
>>> Cheers
>>> Mark 
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>>> Leeds United 
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Re: [LU] Half time

[markbursa]

2-0 Austin
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Re: [LU] Spending on players

[MarkBursa]

>>Boxes bring in sod all money compared to the 1 fans we've lost. 
 


£3 a season for each one, for 10 people. 
_http://www.leedsunitedvenue.com/index.php?id=57_ 
(http://www.leedsunitedvenue.com/index.php?id=57) 


50 ST holders paying £600 a season bring in the same revenue in tickets  
alone without the free 3 course meal and all the extras.<<
 
 
 
SO 24 boxes = £720,000, or 1,200 STs. 
 
They're not mutually exclusive. You can have both. But it's hard to  
increase the regular gate when you're outside the prem. Increasing hospitality  
spend is a worthwhile thing to do - plus it generates more revenue, when  
corporate guests decide to become sponsors, and so on.
 
If it helps Ken sell the club, how can it be a bad thing?



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Re: [LU] Spending on players

[MarkBursa]

I guess all will be revealed if and when a takeover goes through, and  
ownership of ER/TA transfers at a price. Rent is £1m a year.
 
 
In a message dated 14/09/2012 19:28:20 GMT Daylight Time,  
st...@stevemosley.org writes:

If you  were the organisation that owned the training ground and stadium,  
what  profit have you made so far on your investment?

Has anyone worked it  out yet?


Steve.

On 14 Sep 2012, at 18:58,  "markbu...@aol.com"  wrote:

> How much  money has Bates personally taken out of the club? Do you  know?
>  
> Boxes bring in good revenue. The ground is being refurbed with  borrowed  
> money - money that could not be borrowed to spend on  players. 
> 
> Can't argue with the litigation - but even if you  halved that, it'd not  
> make that big a difference.
>  
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> In a message dated 14/09/2012  18:52:24 GMT Daylight Time, 
arm...@yahoo.com  
> writes:
>  
> 
> Maybe only 3% return cos he spent all the money on  litigation,  boxes 
and 
> lining his own pockets?
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> From: "markbu...@aol.com"   
> To:  ni...@mindbrix.co.uk;  dwalms...@netmonkeys.co.uk 
> Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
> Sent:  Friday, September 14, 2012 1:50  PM
> Subject: Re: [LU]  Spending  on players
> 
> 
> Goodness me, common sense  on the  list!
> 
> The numbers seem to add up, given the  constraints of having Bates  in  
> charge. 50% of t/o on  player wages, yet only 3% return. LUST  proposes 
> upping   
> spending to 60% - which would push us into  losses.
>  
> Not seeing any practical ways to improve things here.   Interesting to 
note  
> that Southampton, Norwich etc have  used  Ridsdalenomics to get out of 
the  
> championship -  90-100% of t/o on  wages. Such is the benefit of an owner 
 
>  with 
> deep pockets - ie NOT  Ken Bates.
> 
> Roll on  next week.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> In a message  dated  14/09/2012 17:14:39 GMT Daylight Time,  
>  _ni...@mindbrix.co.uk_ (mailto:ni...@mindbrix.co.uk)writes:
> 
> That's  the irony. Thrift is in every Leeds  fan's blood,  but they want 
> their
> club  to behave  in direct opposition to their own  instincts -- and this 
 is
>  despite us still suffering from the legacy  of the last chairman  who  
did
> exactly  that.
> 
> 
>  Nigel.
> 
> 
> 
> On 14 September 2012  11:58,  dave  walmsley 
> <_dwalms...@netmonkeys.co.uk_  (mailto:dwalms...@netmonkeys.co.uk) >wrote:
> 
>> One   of the problems with the LUST statement about spending more on   
the
>> team, is that it is easier said than done. It's not like   a  
> manufacturing
>> company buying new machinery to  increase   productivity.
>> 
>> If I owned the  club, (I wish!),  I  would  spend very conservatively on 
 
> the
>> team, hoping that I had a  manager  that  could first prove to me he 
spends
>> very well. Even  then, I'd  only  let him spend well within certain 
limits.
>> Other   people may take more  risk, and may achieve success more quickly 
>  as  
> a
>> result (or get into  difficulty  quicker).
>> 
>> Prior to the banking crisis, the HSBC   board, who were bankers born  and
>> bred, were often criticised  for their  very cautious approach  by 
analysts
>> and  shareholders. Whereas other  banks, who  subsequently needed  
massive
>> bailouts!, were run by people  with  little  actual banking experience.
>> 
>> Has the analyst who   has  "looked over" the accounts actually got any
>> experience  of  running a  football club, or even working within 
football  
> for
>> a significant  time?
>> 
>>  This really is irrespective of  whether Ken Bates is the  owner or  
not. 
> The
>> bottom line, though,  is that a cautious  approach to  spending on 
players
>> cannot be  easily  criticised.
>> 
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Re: [LU] Spending on players

[MarkBursa]

How much money has Bates personally taken out of the club? Do you  know?
 
Boxes bring in good revenue. The ground is being refurbed with borrowed  
money - money that could not be borrowed to spend on players. 
 
Can't argue with the litigation - but even if you halved that, it'd not  
make that big a difference.
 
 
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 14/09/2012 18:52:24 GMT Daylight Time, arm...@yahoo.com  
writes:

 
Maybe only 3% return cos he spent all the money on litigation,  boxes and 
lining his own pockets?







 
  

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To:  ni...@mindbrix.co.uk; dwalms...@netmonkeys.co.uk 
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 1:50  PM
Subject: Re: [LU] Spending  on players


Goodness me, common sense on the  list!

The numbers seem to add up, given the constraints of having Bates  in  
charge. 50% of t/o on player wages, yet only 3% return. LUST  proposes 
upping  
spending to 60% - which would push us into  losses.

Not seeing any practical ways to improve things here.  Interesting to note  
that Southampton, Norwich etc have used  Ridsdalenomics to get out of the  
championship - 90-100% of t/o on  wages. Such is the benefit of an owner  
with 
deep pockets - ie NOT  Ken Bates.

Roll on next week.

Mark


In a message dated  14/09/2012 17:14:39 GMT Daylight Time,  
_ni...@mindbrix.co.uk_ (mailto:ni...@mindbrix.co.uk)   writes:

That's  the irony. Thrift is in every Leeds fan's blood,  but they want 
their
club  to behave in direct opposition to their own  instincts -- and this  is
despite us still suffering from the legacy  of the last chairman who  did
exactly  that.


Nigel.



On 14 September 2012  11:58, dave  walmsley 
<_dwalms...@netmonkeys.co.uk_ (mailto:dwalms...@netmonkeys.co.uk) >wrote:

>  One  of the problems with the LUST statement about spending more on  the
>  team, is that it is easier said than done. It's not like  a  
manufacturing
> company buying new machinery to increase   productivity.
>
> If I owned the club, (I wish!),  I  would  spend very conservatively on 
the
> team, hoping that I had a  manager  that could first prove to me he spends
> very well. Even  then, I'd only  let him spend well within certain limits.
> Other  people may take more  risk, and may achieve success more quickly 
as  
a
> result (or get into  difficulty quicker).
>
>  Prior to the banking crisis, the HSBC  board, who were bankers born  and
> bred, were often criticised for their  very cautious approach  by analysts
> and shareholders. Whereas other  banks, who  subsequently needed massive
> bailouts!, were run by people  with  little actual banking experience.
>
> Has the analyst who  has  "looked over" the accounts actually got any
> experience of  running a  football club, or even working within football 
for
>  a significant  time?
>
> This really is irrespective of  whether Ken Bates is the  owner or not. 
The
> bottom line, though,  is that a cautious approach to  spending on players
> cannot be  easily criticised.
>
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Re: [LU] Spending on players

[MarkBursa]

Goodness me, common sense on the list!
 
The numbers seem to add up, given the constraints of having Bates in  
charge. 50% of t/o on player wages, yet only 3% return. LUST proposes upping  
spending to 60% - which would push us into losses.
 
Not seeing any practical ways to improve things here. Interesting to note  
that Southampton, Norwich etc have used Ridsdalenomics to get out of the  
championship - 90-100% of t/o on wages. Such is the benefit of an owner  with 
deep pockets - ie NOT Ken Bates.
 
Roll on next week.
 
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 14/09/2012 17:14:39 GMT Daylight Time,  
ni...@mindbrix.co.uk writes:

That's  the irony. Thrift is in every Leeds fan's blood, but they want their
club  to behave in direct opposition to their own instincts -- and this  is
despite us still suffering from the legacy of the last chairman who  did
exactly that.


Nigel.



On 14 September 2012  11:58, dave walmsley 
wrote:

> One  of the problems with the LUST statement about spending more on the
>  team, is that it is easier said than done. It's not like a  manufacturing
> company buying new machinery to increase  productivity.
>
> If I owned the club, (I wish!),  I would  spend very conservatively on the
> team, hoping that I had a manager  that could first prove to me he spends
> very well. Even then, I'd only  let him spend well within certain limits.
> Other people may take more  risk, and may achieve success more quickly as 
a
> result (or get into  difficulty quicker).
>
> Prior to the banking crisis, the HSBC  board, who were bankers born and
> bred, were often criticised for their  very cautious approach by analysts
> and shareholders. Whereas other  banks, who subsequently needed massive
> bailouts!, were run by people  with little actual banking experience.
>
> Has the analyst who has  "looked over" the accounts actually got any
> experience of running a  football club, or even working within football 
for
> a significant  time?
>
> This really is irrespective of whether Ken Bates is the  owner or not. The
> bottom line, though, is that a cautious approach to  spending on players
> cannot be easily criticised.
>
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Re: [LU] TOMA

[MarkBursa]

I'd guess Warnock is looking to the emergency window, which will open once  
the Prem clubs have submitted their 25-man squads and we'll see who's  
available.
 
As I understand it, the takeover is still on, but negotiations are a bit  
fraught.
 
Buyers want Ken to sign an indemnity against any future skeletons in  
closets that might turn up. Ken refuses, telling the buyers (correctly IMO) to  
use the due diligence process to go through the books properly. Hence 
progress  is slow.
 
Mark 
 
 
>>So transfer window has shut tight, cuddly Ken has screwed us yet  again 
and now there is no more word of the takeover. We've been royally shafted  
(again) have we not?<<
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Re: [LU] Mark Noble

[MarkBursa]

 
>> Can't understand why a manager like Grayson doesn't put a  bid in for 
Becchio. He would get him for a million and much lower wages than  Beckford ?<<


 
Wrong on both counts.
 
Becchio's on a long contract,  so he'd cost a large fee -  £2-3m at least.
 
Beckford is on Prem wages - Leicester matched his Everton salary,  as 
they're well financed.
 
 



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Re: [LU] Takeover

[markbursa]

Just in time to miss the transfer window...
--Original Message--
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Subject: [LU] Takeover
Sent: 30 Aug 2012 13:37

Sun reporting Bates has less than 60 hours of being our overlord. The Arabs are 
going to install David Haigh as our chairman. Apart from being a Tory, he does 
seem like a decent egg (based on his twitter!)

Ian

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Re: [LU] 2 up

[MarkBursa]

They were not tap-ins. The first was a firm shot from 12 yards which the  
keeper fumbled. The other was a well-directed header from about 8 yards.
 
He might be limited, but he does what he does. And defenders absolutely  
hate playing against him. 
 
M
 
 
 
>>Apparently the goals were
> > tap-ins, one which  keeper should have saved. Still credit to him for
> using
> >  his limited capabilities to the  hilt.<<

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Re: [LU] Annoying

[MarkBursa]

Agree. We had to play Blackpool with Matt Philips and Tom Ince in the side  
- both likely to be off to the Prem.
 
Transfer window is a joke. Just allows agent leeches to hype prices of  
mediocre players to clubs in a panic. Another bit of FIFA/UEFA idiot  
legislation. Thanks, Sepp.
 
M
 
 
>>Didn't make much difference this year, maybe did so last  year, but
whatever, I find it really annoying that we played Wham last year  early
enough that Scott Parker was still in their side, and this year Sam  Byram
had to face Matt Jarvis, but by the time Derby played them yesterday he  had
moved up to the Prem.<<
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Re: [LU] from itv - pen4ken

[MarkBursa]

What an unsavoury image.
 
Does Dr Mike's desire to see the back of old Stoaty extend to administering 
 the rimming, on condition that Kenneth sells the club upon completion of 
the  deed and never shows his face again with 100 miles of Leeds?
 
Would the Good Doctor be prepared to, erm,  "take one for the  team"?
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 24/08/2012 18:54:54 GMT Daylight Time,  
c_bri...@hotmail.co.uk writes:

Ah, reverse psychology eh, good plan.


In that case then may I be the first to extend my heartfelt  
congratulations to the lister that sends loveable rogue Ken Bates, who in my  
opinion 
should be given a knighthood, a letter expressing eternal gratitude  for being 
the saviour of Leeds United and gives him a complimentary rimming  when he is 
next at Elland Road.



On 24 Aug 2012, at 17:58, _MarkBursa@aol.com_ (mailto:markbu...@aol.com)  
wrote:




 
And that's just the sort of thing to make the cantankerous old git pull  
the plug on the takeover deal. "I'll teach those Yorkshire bastards to  send 
me pens," etc...
 
Keep your head down, be nice, and he might be gone before the transfer  
window shuts...
 
 
>>Whilst I can see the joke in all this, I'll be buggered if  I am spending 
money posting owt to the old bugger.

I wouldn't give  him the steam off my piss if he was freezing to  death.<<



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Re: [LU] from itv - pen4ken

[MarkBursa]

And that's just the sort of thing to make the cantankerous old git pull the 
 plug on the takeover deal. "I'll teach those Yorkshire bastards to send me 
 pens," etc...
 
Keep your head down, be nice, and he might be gone before the transfer  
window shuts...
 
 
>>Whilst I can see the joke in all this, I'll be buggered if I am  spending 
money posting owt to the old bugger.

I wouldn't give him the  steam off my piss if he was freezing to  death.<<
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Re: [LU] What's the frequency, Kenneth?

[MarkBursa]

Fascinating stuff Rick - but this is the bit that bothers me.
 
 
 
>>When KB subsequently "engineered" the administration (he had  supposedly 
saved us from), the vast bulk of the debt at that time was debt which  did 
not exist at the time that he took over from Krasner. The debt that KB shed  
was mostly debt that had appeared on the books AFTER he took over the club.  
Quite where all that money was "spent" has never been explained or 
understood.  There is very little - if any- real connection with Ridsdale & the 
Plc 
and  the Bates administration event.<<
 
 
Was there not some long-standing call on the club's finances (REFF?  
"Bondholders"?) resulting from Ridsdale's folly that was still in the  
background, 
and could not be cleared unless the club went through administration  - ie 
the legal link between "oldclub" and "newclub" had to be severed?
 
So in effect Bates "manufactured" enough debt to cause an administration  
event in order to rid the business of a much larger debt. Otherwise why 
bother  with administration at all? 
 
 
 
Mark
 
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Re: [LU] Kenneth

[MarkBursa]

Shutt was a Wilko man - he'd brought him to Sheff Wed from non-league  
(Spalding?)
 
We signed him from Brizzle City
 
M
 
 
In a message dated 22/08/2012 17:48:56 GMT Daylight Time,  
dwalms...@netmonkeys.co.uk writes:

Sure  about Shutt? Thought he was a Bremner lad. Scored three on his debut 
against  the mighty Shrewsbury or some other great team I  think?
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Re: [LU] Wlves

[MarkBursa]

Totally agree, Dave. I really enjoyed that performance - there's nobody in  
that team who looks like an accident waiting to happen. We looked like the 
sort  of "one for all" team that does well in this division - Blackpool, 
Norwich and  Southampton all got promoted with a team like that.
 
Credit to Warnock for putting together such an accomplished team in such a  
short time, with so little money.
 
M
 
 
>>The lad who sits in front of me is a critical fan but all he  has every 
asked for is a well organised team giving it their all and today he  got that 
and went home happy<<
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Re: [LU] Le Tour

[markbursa]

Yes, We took in the finish in Metz as part of our holiday. Great fun catching 
all the crap from the promo caravan before the riders come through. 

The olympic road race goes past the end of my road.

M

> Any listers watching it this year?

Oh yes.  Been an avid fan for many a year.  And have even been in the
unusual situation of having it go within a quarter of a mile of my house -
in two different countries!

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> Any listers watching it this year?

Oh yes.  Been an avid fan for many a year.  And have even been in the
unusual situation of having it go within a quarter of a mile of my house -
in two different countries!

Awesome display from Bradley today...

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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Re: [LU] Rumour Mill

[markbursa]

Oh grow the fuck up, Ian
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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:49:03 
To: markbu...@aol.com
Cc: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org; Richard 
Naef; Leeds leedslist
Subject: Re: [LU] Rumour Mill

No-one like that will buy us.

We're too big globally. We are a brand with a presence in the far east already. 
We don't need to fake it.

I know you're sad your idea of bridal fairs powering us to the prem like 
Coventry didn't work. But the fact is it didn't.

I wish for middle eastern investment of unprecedented scale.

Or summat between that and the club being raped and the fans being alienated.

MOT 


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On 26 Jun 2012, at 20:11, markbu...@aol.com wrote:

> So you'd rather have idiots like the ones that are shitting all over the 
> Cardiff fans? Destroying the club's history to sell shirts in Kuala Lumpur? 
> Be very careful what you wish for. 
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ian Murray 
> Sender: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org
> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:11:41 
> To: Richard Naef
> Cc: Leeds leedslist
> Subject: Re: [LU] Rumour Mill
> 
> Anyone but Bates. Anyone.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 26 Jun 2012, at 00:06, "Richard Naef"  
> wrote:
> 
>>> Apparently LUFC has been sold for £40 million to Robert Polet owner of
>>> Gucci, Hennessey Whiskey, Puma to name a few.
>> 
>> are you sure?  he doesn't work for Gucci anymore and never owned it - the
>> latest info is he has joined Philip Morris "purveyors of cancer to the world
>> (c)" in 2011.  Doesn't look like the kind of guy to have £40m to hand.
>> maybe he's fronting a consortium, which is worrying since the people behind
>> it must be pretty despicable if they think that a Cigarette seller provides
>> an acceptable face.  As I've said before careful what you wish for there are
>> many worse owners than capn Birdseye - ask Portsmouth and Rangers fans.
>> 
>> BATES IN!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> NB PM lawyers would of course like me to mention that Philip Morris inc have
>> a wide and varied business model outside of tobacco and contribute to many
>> worthy causes and that the link between tobacco and cancer has never been
>> reliably proven, and when it has, the researchers involved often get found
>> upside down on a meat hook.
>> 
>> NBB Another set of Lawyers have asked me to state that Philip Morris had
>> nothing to do with the meat hooks.
>> 
>> NNBB That’s enough lawyers (de)
>> 
>> ttfn
>> 
>> Richard
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Re: New levels of indifference

[markbursa]

Betis, Sociedad and Mallorca are all Reals, Mike
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Apropos Spain
A bit embarrassing & I'll get the piss taken but all he same quite
important

In my cloak and daggers game I am playing I am trying to replace the
present management from which I resigned with a much better management team.

So I met this guy who is a super Argentinian coach and tied in with some
Spanish team called Real something in the Spanish PL . He models his system
of coaching on some bloody Real team. I asked him three times to repeat the
fooking name . What with his bloody accent and the fact that I'd forgotten
the remote volume control on my hearing aid at home I didn't catch it.

Obviously it's not Madrid or Villa Real but I have to report about my
meeting and I feel a right twerp that I don't know what the name is. I am
hoping if I see he name I can sort of associate it or get near to it.

All help will be appreciated. Anyone know how many bloody Reals there are
in the Spanish first division. [Their community out reach is bloody
impressive. Maybe we can add one for the deaf in the near future!!] .

I fully appreciate the funny side of this.

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On 26 June 2012 22:49, Eric B  wrote:

> never seen x factor.
>
> I do know I like entertainment if I spend time in front of the box.
> Spain currently
> is not that. Actually I read today that 65% of the spanish find their
> own team boring.
> that could be non-factual of course.
>
> Glad to hear you dont mind being bored watching football, its handy
> being in the premiership :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Eric
>
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:34 AM, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk
>  wrote:
> > always makes me laugh this thing about Spain being boring - they're not
> out
> > there to entertain you - go watch X-factor or something - they're there
> to win
> > the match - if the tippy tappy football is boring, it is up to the other
> team to
> > take it off them, and then score - and more often than not, they cannot.
> Their
> > technical ability is simply mind-blowing as is their team-ethic; their
> work rate
> > when they lose the ball is second to none.
> >
> > That said, Spain vs Portugal could be good because twatface is more or
> less
> > unplayable at the moment.
> >
> > England? Should have dropped Rooney. The main problem with England is our
> > stupidity as a nation - we all moan and grumble at our inability to keep
> the
> > ball; control and pass with accuracy; and yet we do nothing less than
> scream
> > about "hitting the big man"; "put it in the stands"; "get some blood on
> your
> > boots" at every game we go to - cause and effect people, cause and
> effect. We
> > will never (and by we, I mean us, the press, the managers, the punters,
> the
> > chairmen and boards -anyone connected with the game) let the national
> game and
> > team, take 10-15 years to regroup, re-learn the game from the roots up,
> because
> > "it wouldn't be exciting". Fine, I comfortable with that, but just don't
> expect
> > us to be any better than 8th best in Europe.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Original Message --
> > From: Eric B 
> > To: Brendan McWilliams 
> > Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> > Date: 25 June 2012 at 20:05
> > Subject: Re: [LU] New levels of indifference
> >
> > Spain is the reason I now go for zee germans to win. I am bored to
> > death watching 700+ passes a game with 90% success rate.
> > 600 of them being passes going back or 3 meters. I am a bloke, I want
> > fxxing penetration at some point, not endless poking, get it?!
> >
> > Watching England was like watching norway..put everyone behind the
> > ball, defend well and try and get a lucky goal on a freekick or a
> > counter
> > attack. I have been surprised by Italy playing like a team, and by the
> > germans. Portugal are better than expected. The rest mediocre..
> >
> > I expect germany to beat spain in the final.
> >
> > hasta luego!
> > Eric
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Brendan McWilliams
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> It pains me to say it, but Ireland were definitely the worst team in
> the whole
> >> tournament, closely followed by England - yes, even worse than Greece.
> >>
> >> I can't watch an England match these days without a non-stop pass count
> in my
> >> head: 1-2-3, ball lost and repeat... It is STAGGERING to see how England
> >> cannot maintain possession. The two g

Re: [LU] Rumour Mill

[markbursa]

So you'd rather have idiots like the ones that are shitting all over the 
Cardiff fans? Destroying the club's history to sell shirts in Kuala Lumpur? Be 
very careful what you wish for. 
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From: Ian Murray 
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:11:41 
To: Richard Naef
Cc: Leeds leedslist
Subject: Re: [LU] Rumour Mill

Anyone but Bates. Anyone.

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On 26 Jun 2012, at 00:06, "Richard Naef"  
wrote:

>> Apparently LUFC has been sold for £40 million to Robert Polet owner of
>> Gucci, Hennessey Whiskey, Puma to name a few.
> 
> are you sure?  he doesn't work for Gucci anymore and never owned it - the
> latest info is he has joined Philip Morris "purveyors of cancer to the world
> (c)" in 2011.  Doesn't look like the kind of guy to have £40m to hand.
> maybe he's fronting a consortium, which is worrying since the people behind
> it must be pretty despicable if they think that a Cigarette seller provides
> an acceptable face.  As I've said before careful what you wish for there are
> many worse owners than capn Birdseye - ask Portsmouth and Rangers fans.
> 
> BATES IN!
> 
> 
> 
> NB PM lawyers would of course like me to mention that Philip Morris inc have
> a wide and varied business model outside of tobacco and contribute to many
> worthy causes and that the link between tobacco and cancer has never been
> reliably proven, and when it has, the researchers involved often get found
> upside down on a meat hook.
> 
> NBB Another set of Lawyers have asked me to state that Philip Morris had
> nothing to do with the meat hooks.
> 
> NNBB That’s enough lawyers (de)
> 
> ttfn
> 
> Richard
> 
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Re: [LU] New levels of indifference

[MarkBursa]

Agreed - but...if he'd been about 1/100th of a second later on contact with 
 that 90th minute overhead, he'd have scored the goal of the tournament and 
been  hailed a national hero.
 
Look at the slo-mo and he toe-ends it. But he was right on line - a  
fraction later and it'd have come off his laces and hit the target - and  
probably 
would have beaten Buffon.
 
Just like Gazza in 96 v Germany, on such slender margins are our hopes  
dashed.
 
M
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 25/06/2012 13:02:21 GMT Daylight Time, rhe...@asd.edu.qa 
 writes:

The  astonishing thing about England for me is HOW CRAP ROONEY  HAS
BECOME..*AND HOW NO ONE DARES MENTION IT!

*I heard  Hodgson say before the Ukraine game that if he didn't pick Rooney
there  would be a mutiny in the dressing room. So none of the players,
certainly  none of the commentators, dare address the issue..he
is just  awful. He loses the ball almost every time he gets  it.
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Re: [LU] Leeds sign Drury

[MarkBursa]

I hope we're not all saying "what a waste" by the end of August ;-)
 
M
 
 
In a message dated 19/06/2012 22:57:36 GMT Daylight Time, alec...@gmail.com 
 writes:

I was  thinking exactly the same thought and had exactly the same words in 
my  head.

:-)

Cheers
Alec

On 20/06/2012, at 2:46 AM,  Nicholas Armit  wrote:

> Hit me, hit me, Hit  me
> 
> Oh, Drudy. Thought you said  Dury...
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