date:20080516


Mary Figgins wrote:
Check with your scanner software.  I have scanned items, especially when 
using OCR, and told it there was more than one page.  Then the two pages 
were in the same file.  It's been awhile so I can't tell you how I did 
it or if it would work for photos.  If I get a chance this weekend I'll 
take a look.


Mary Beth Figgins


Thanks Mary -- I can do it with IrfanView -- I was just trying to 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

Sometimes life just doesn't make sense.  Get over it.  Considering we're 
a group of people who make a hobby of being interested in people (albeit 
mostly dead ones) we're sure good at showing a lack of people awareness 
sometimes.  They must be exhausted out of their minds over at Legacy, 
and yes, for all the millions they're going to make selling us the 
upgrade at about $20 a crack for their last two and half years of work.

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Andre Switala wrote:

No one denies what you wrote - I think everyone understands that! No
one here said that older customers should get version 7.0 for free -
it is about the availability/the immediate purchase option for old
customers which is denied. And this is what makes no sense. It would
help at times to read what people write before one replies!

I for myself don't really care, since I am not planning to buy the new
version (unless mysteriously UTF-8 support appears), and I am actually
in the process to switching out of Legacy. I just wanted to protest
first class / second class treatment for a reason that doesn't make
sense!

Andre

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 3:00 PM, John S. Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

The logic is very simple:  Cash Flow.

Last summer it was announced that Ver. 7 would be released "soon."  Why
would new potential customers buy Ver. 6 at full price when they knew they
would have to spend full price again in a few weeks or months for Ver. 7?
They wouldn't.  They'd either wait, meaning Millenia's cash flow would drop
to zero; or they would buy another program, meaning Millenia would have lost
customers, probably permanently.  So Millenia offered an incentive--Buy now,
get Ver. 7 at no additional cost when it is released.  In effect, new
customers after June 2007 paid in advance for Ver. 7 and received Ver. 6 in
the interim.  Since they've already purchased Ver. 7, they get it first.
Sounds fair to me.  I bought Ver. 6 shortly after it was released in 2005.
Should I get Ver. 7 free?  It would be nice, but I'm willing to pay full
price.  I want Millenia to stay in business.

As I recall, Millenia has made the same offer for the last several
releases.  It makes business sense, and they are after all in business.  No
profit, no Legacy.

just my ¢¢

John S. Adams
Hermosa Beach, CA

- Original Message -
From: Krisjan
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:16 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!
Ken,

 You said:



Those who purchase in last 10 months have already paid for Legacy 7.0
Deluxe and really deserve to have it first.
  

 My question is: What about the loyal customers who started way back with
 Legacy version 2.0; also bought version 3.0 and version 4.0 and version 5.0
 and purchased the download version of version 6? (By the way I have CD's of
 each of these versions except v6.0, for which I have my customer number, to
 prove my point). Are these people because they bought the new versions more
 or less at the time that each was released not MORE important than Johnny
 Come Latelies that only bought a copy within the last 10 months?

 I must admit your explanation as to who really deserve to have the new
 version first, makes no logic sense to me.

Christiaan

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Re: [LegacyUG] New version (slow) Release

2008-05-16 Thread Jackie King


Let's see -

Almost every genealogy society I have ever belonged to had at least one 
member who was the society's expert in a particular type of gen 
software  - so there would be several thousand who should get the new 
version first


don't forget the folks we have on this list who have helped out in at 
least some ways - that would be several hundred more 


and then there are those who actually paid for the new version .my 
conservative guess another several thousand


those who have reunions coming up and need it to make sure the gens they 
hand out are the latest and greatest ...another few hundred .


and those who have owned the product since it first came out - lets add 
another few thousand .


and then there are those who are patiently waiting until its time and 
who are sure their time will come sooner than later*smile*add 
another few thousand.


Divide those few thusands by the available download bandwidth 

and you tell me how you determine who gets it first.

Of course we could have gotten it sooner than later and be like those 
who have downloaded another well known product several times - have now 
downloaded the recently released third patch to it (or fourth patch 
depending on if you count the recalled patch)- and are finding out it 
STILL doesn't work.last count I think there were 113 replies of that 
nature on the other product's very public blog and god knows how 
many more in their private emails


Jackie (just sitting readying her database for version 7 which would be 
much easier if I wasn't deleting so many complaints about who gets what 
first)


Reg SHERLOCK wrote:

Hello everyone

I can see you all reaching to the del key know saying well here's that 
guy from Brisbane, with yet another gripe !,


Could someone tell me WHY we as a LEGACY users and some of us 
affiliate's, (why I'm not sure right now, the reason I joined affil 
program was that it was a way of possibly raising funds for my local 
Genealogy/Family history Group),


Anyway WHY is it I as a person who teaches others to use Legacy for 
their research etc.. can not acquire a copy of the latest version of 
Legacy ?.


Honest there must be others who give time freely and are left to say 
the least "with egg all over them" because they can not answer ANY 
questions about the new version, except to say "Don't worry I will 
have time to learn the ins and outs of the new program to be able to 
not only teach new user but assist older user, Ha as usual I look like 
having to push the proverbial uphill yet again.


One VERY DISAPPOINTED LEGACY FANATIC (maybe that's the problem, 
Millennia think we won't go elsewhere ?.


About now I am just HURT like a lot of other existing Legacy user at 
end of line [EMAIL PROTECTED]&^


Reg A SHERLOCK
Brisbane-Australia





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[LegacyUG] Close button on Merge screen

2008-05-16 Thread Carl Cox

This is probably not the time to mention this, with all the excitement over 
*7*, but when I do long merges I find myself hitting the wrong button. when 
I am on one of the sub screens, to exit the screen I see the 'close' button. 
When I click that, I find myself out of merge, with no way to cancel that 
erroneous click. I would like to see a 'cancel' button as well as the choice 
to save the merge, so I can continue the merge without exiting.


Thanks

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Re: [LegacyUG] New version (slow) Release


Huh?  Or is my english that outdated?  

Dick Schweiss



- Original Message - 
From: "Reg SHERLOCK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 6:23 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] New version (slow) Release



Hello everyone

I can see you all reaching to the del key know saying well here's that guy 
from Brisbane, with yet another gripe !,


Could someone tell me WHY we as a LEGACY users and some of us affiliate's, 
(why I'm not sure right now, the reason I joined affil program was that it 
was a way of possibly raising funds for my local Genealogy/Family history 
Group),


Anyway WHY is it I as a person who teaches others to use Legacy for their 
research etc.. can not acquire a copy of the latest version of Legacy ?.


Honest there must be others who give time freely and are left to say the 
least "with egg all over them" because they can not answer ANY questions 
about the new version, except to say "Don't worry I will have time to 
learn the ins and outs of the new program to be able to not only teach new 
user but assist older user, Ha as usual I look like having to push the 
proverbial uphill yet again.


One VERY DISAPPOINTED LEGACY FANATIC (maybe that's the problem, Millennia 
think we won't go elsewhere ?.


About now I am just HURT like a lot of other existing Legacy user at end 
of line [EMAIL PROTECTED]&^


Reg A SHERLOCK
Brisbane-Australia





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Re: [LegacyUG] V6 - Adding Correspondence to Legacy

2008-05-16 Thread Art Seddon


Wendy Howard wrote:

"There will be a reduced price for purchasing an upgrade from v6 to v7, as 
there has been in the past, so you won't miss out when you're ready for it. 
(This has already been mentioned by Millenia staff on this list)"

The reduced upgrade price is what has not been available to the old-time 
users. Are we supposed to pay full price to get in the shipping line?

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[LegacyUG] Delaware User Group?

2008-05-16 Thread GeoSci

Anyone know of a group of Legacy users in central or southern Delaware
(USA) -- or interested in starting such a group?
Keith

-- 
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Re: [LegacyUG] New version (slow) Release


Thanks for the good laugh.  It's been a dizzying couple of days.
--
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Jackie King wrote:

Let's see -

Almost every genealogy society I have ever belonged to had at least 
one member who was the society's expert in a particular type of gen 
software  - so there would be several thousand who should get the new 
version first


don't forget the folks we have on this list who have helped out in at 
least some ways - that would be several hundred more 


and then there are those who actually paid for the new version .my 
conservative guess another several thousand


those who have reunions coming up and need it to make sure the gens 
they hand out are the latest and greatest ...another few hundred .


and those who have owned the product since it first came out - lets 
add another few thousand .


and then there are those who are patiently waiting until its time and 
who are sure their time will come sooner than later*smile*add 
another few thousand.


Divide those few thusands by the available download bandwidth 

and you tell me how you determine who gets it first.

Of course we could have gotten it sooner than later and be like those 
who have downloaded another well known product several times - have 
now downloaded the recently released third patch to it (or fourth 
patch depending on if you count the recalled patch)- and are finding 
out it STILL doesn't work.last count I think there were 113 
replies of that nature on the other product's very public blog and 
god knows how many more in their private emails


Jackie (just sitting readying her database for version 7 which would 
be much easier if I wasn't deleting so many complaints about who gets 
what first)


Reg SHERLOCK wrote:

Hello everyone

I can see you all reaching to the del key know saying well here's 
that guy from Brisbane, with yet another gripe !,


Could someone tell me WHY we as a LEGACY users and some of us 
affiliate's, (why I'm not sure right now, the reason I joined affil 
program was that it was a way of possibly raising funds for my local 
Genealogy/Family history Group),


Anyway WHY is it I as a person who teaches others to use Legacy for 
their research etc.. can not acquire a copy of the latest version of 
Legacy ?.


Honest there must be others who give time freely and are left to say 
the least "with egg all over them" because they can not answer ANY 
questions about the new version, except to say "Don't worry I will 
have time to learn the ins and outs of the new program to be able to 
not only teach new user but assist older user, Ha as usual I look 
like having to push the proverbial uphill yet again.


One VERY DISAPPOINTED LEGACY FANATIC (maybe that's the problem, 
Millennia think we won't go elsewhere ?.


About now I am just HURT like a lot of other existing Legacy user at 
end of line [EMAIL PROTECTED]&^


Reg A SHERLOCK
Brisbane-Australia





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Re: [LegacyUG] New version (slow) Release



Can I offer another idea ... just an idea now  ...  what if we could somehow 
deny access to  ( any version of )  LEGACY  for all the gotta have it now 
folks, and have them do the research the old fashioned way   ...  with paper 
and pencil?


Lord  ...  what a concept   ...

Dick Schweiss


- Original Message - 
From: "Jackie King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] New version (slow) Release



Let's see -

Almost every genealogy society I have ever belonged to had at least one 
member who was the society's expert in a particular type of gen 
oftware  - so there would be several thousand who should get the new 
version first


don't forget the folks we have on this list who have helped out in at 
least some ways - that would be several hundred more 


and then there are those who actually paid for the new version .my 
conservative guess another several thousand


those who have reunions coming up and need it to make sure the gens they 
hand out are the latest and greatest ...another few hundred .


and those who have owned the product since it first came out - lets add 
another few thousand .


and then there are those who are patiently waiting until its time and who 
are sure their time will come sooner than later*smile*add another 
few thousand.


Divide those few thusands by the available download bandwidth 

and you tell me how you determine who gets it first.

Of course we could have gotten it sooner than later and be like those who 
have downloaded another well known product several times - have now 
downloaded the recently released third patch to it (or fourth patch 
depending on if you count the recalled patch)- and are finding out it 
STILL doesn't work.last count I think there were 113 replies of that 
nature on the other product's very public blog and god knows how many 
more in their private emails


Jackie (just sitting readying her database for version 7 which would be 
much easier if I wasn't deleting so many complaints about who gets what 
first)


Reg SHERLOCK wrote:

Hello everyone

I can see you all reaching to the del key know saying well here's that 
guy from Brisbane, with yet another gripe !,


Could someone tell me WHY we as a LEGACY users and some of us 
affiliate's, (why I'm not sure right now, the reason I joined affil 
program was that it was a way of possibly raising funds for my local 
Genealogy/Family history Group),


Anyway WHY is it I as a person who teaches others to use Legacy for their 
research etc.. can not acquire a copy of the latest version of Legacy ?.


Honest there must be others who give time freely and are left to say the 
least "with egg all over them" because they can not answer ANY questions 
about the new version, except to say "Don't worry I will have time to 
learn the ins and outs of the new program to be able to not only teach 
new user but assist older user, Ha as usual I look like having to push 
the proverbial uphill yet again.


One VERY DISAPPOINTED LEGACY FANATIC (maybe that's the problem, Millennia 
think we won't go elsewhere ?.


About now I am just HURT like a lot of other existing Legacy user at end 
of line [EMAIL PROTECTED]&^


Reg A SHERLOCK
Brisbane-Australia





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Re: [LegacyUG] New version (slow) Release

2008-05-16 Thread RICHARD SCHULTHIES

As the teacher in Burbank California, I decided not to
join the Beta group, because I would be working 2
versions at once. I figure I will have
recieved/purchased my L7 before the June meeting, if
not, by July. When I got L6 we as a group shared what
had been added to L5, so I plan a similar class. Some
of the bells and whistles went unfound for months. 
Rich in LA CA
--- Reg SHERLOCK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello everyone
> 
> I can see you all reaching to the del key know
> saying well here's that guy 
> from Brisbane, with yet another gripe !,
> 
> 
> Anyway WHY is it I as a person who teaches others to
> use Legacy for their 
> research etc.. can not acquire a copy of the latest
> version of Legacy ?.
> 
> Honest there must be others who give time freely and
> are left to say the 
> least "with egg all over them" because they can not
> answer ANY questions 
> about the new version, except to say "Don't worry I
> will have time to learn 
> the ins and outs of the new program to be able to
> not only teach new user 
> but assist older user, Ha as usual I look like
> having to push the proverbial 
> uphill yet again.
> 
> Reg A SHERLOCK
> Brisbane-Australia
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[LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

2008-05-16 Thread Erik Pilgaard Vinther

I have NOT purchased my Legacy 6 within the last 10 months and are getting
my free copy of legacy 7 shipped this moment, and i have NOT gone to the NGS
conference in Kansas to purchase a new copy. In other words, I'm an "old"
and might I add faithful user of Legacy. How is this reworded by Millennia?
- by putting me at the bottom of the list of users to get the new release! I
really don't think this is fair, and I don't see why we have to wait. All it
takes is for Millennia to put the program on an ftp server and add a single
download link on their website.

Erik




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RE: [LegacyUG] V6 - Adding Correspondence to Legacy

2008-05-16 Thread Steve Ayres


Denise and All,

Thank you for all your suggestions they have given me lots to think about, may 
be if I had been good and really got stuck into all of this when I bought 
Legacy a couple of years back I would not be in such a mess and only a few 
weeks till Version 7 is available to start and learn all over again.   As you 
all mentioned the letters do contain bit and pieces about family members and 
one even gives a bit of history about the US Coast Guard in the 1st WW as a 
relative was a Captain in the CG at that time.

Regards

Steve
Canberra, Aust

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To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] V6 - Adding Correspondence to Legacy
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 08:05:16 -0700
























Steve, on using old letters as sources. .
. I have the same situation and am handling it in this way. 

I treat the letters as part of the Family
Papers. These are filed and stored together, not mixed in with my other
research or documents. I purchased archival folders, one per letter. Because I
am dealing with hundreds of letters (and don’t want to go broke) I using
archival paper folders grouped inside a sturdier archival manila file. 

 

1. First each letter is opened and placed
with the envelope in the folder. On the top of the folder I write (left to
right)

Date of the letter/File No. [more about
this below]/Name of author to Name of Recipient.

 

File Number is just a numerical digit
based on which letter is in my hand. I have to do it this way because of the
quantity I am dealing with. If you have a limited number, you could organize by
date to begin with but I would still give each piece a control number. I start
the number with an alpha character b/c I also have photos and other documents I
file. My numbers look like this:  for letters  AAK-L001, 
AAK-L002  etc; for photos AAKP-001, AAK-P002 etc. “AAK” are
the initials of my family archive. 

 

2. Next step is to scan the letter and
save it a Multi-Page TIFF file with the File No. as the filename.

 

3. Then, I take the each letter and enter
it in a database. Again, you could use an Excel spreadsheet, a chart in Word,
Clooz, or a full database. The key is to create a list of all letters with the
primary info.  I have created fields for my research beginning with File
No., Letter Date, To, From, People mentioned, Places, etc. followed by a
full-text transcription of the letter. This could be done also in individual
Word docs, but I want to be able to search the full-text of all letters at one
time, hence the need for a database. 

 

4. Last, when a letter has information I
want Legacy to know about I enter the letter in Legacy as a Master Source and
cite the information itself for the individuals concerned. For some people it
is merely a residence, but sometimes it is birth, death, or other vital
information.

 

This may sound overly complicated, but I
think it is important to preserve the originals and then work with them. Hope
this helps,

 

Denise, Pasadena CA

 













Steve,





I would record the letters as sources, transcribing the
contents in the text field or scanning them and attaching them as pictures, or
both.  The letters probably contain information about various family members
which you would enter for those individuals and use the letter(s) as sources.





 





Hope this helps.





 





John S. Adams

Hermosa Beach, CA







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From: Steve Ayres






To: Legacy User Group 





Sent: Wednesday, May 14,
2008 6:12 PM





Subject: [LegacyUG] V6 -
Adding Correspondence to Legacy





 



Mike, I like the idea of putting the version number first
to assist sorting/reading so here goes.

 

I have a number of very old letters from my G/Parents that I would like to
document somehow in a general area as distinct from an individuals notes if
possible in Legacy but cannot see how it can be done.  I am looking at
"Clooz" as a possibility but would like to try and keep everything
within Legacy to avoid another avenue for a mess to sort out latter, I'm having
enough fun with what I have without creating anything else.

 

Regards

 

Steve








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Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

2008-05-16 Thread Ken McGinnis


All it takes is for Millennia to put the program on an ftp
server and add a single download link on their website.


That's true if all we were placing up there was the Standard Edition but what 
fun would that be if you couldn't play with all the cool new Deluxe Edition 
features.   Also, we would kind of like to sell the Deluxe Edition and make it 
available at the same time as the Standard Edition and we have a bunch of work 
to re-vamp our website, redo our online store, finish up the training videos, 
get CDs, work on press releases, compile mailing list to send out the 
announcements (so it's fair) and work on our ordering system to support the new 
products, customer numbers, email lists, etc.


Those who purchase in last 10 months have already paid for Legacy 7.0 Deluxe and 
really deserve to have it first.   We want to get Legacy ready and available to 
everyone just as much as you want it.   I have just put in about 20 hours of 
work and am headed to bed for a couple hours before I get up and do another 20 
hour day.   We are working hard to get it out to all of you.


Please, it's coming.   We ask for just a little more patience and understanding.

Thanks

Ken McGinnis
Millennia Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
We are changing the world of genealogy!

- Original Message - 
From: "Erik Pilgaard Vinther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 5:25 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!



I have NOT purchased my Legacy 6 within the last 10 months and are getting
my free copy of legacy 7 shipped this moment, and i have NOT gone to the NGS
conference in Kansas to purchase a new copy. In other words, I'm an "old"
and might I add faithful user of Legacy. How is this reworded by Millennia?
- by putting me at the bottom of the list of users to get the new release! I
really don't think this is fair, and I don't see why we have to wait. All it
takes is for Millennia to put the program on an ftp server and add a single
download link on their website.

Erik




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Re: [LegacyUG] Backups Password Protected

2008-05-16 Thread Al Mallory

Occasionally I like to test the backups to make sure they are valid
and usable.  This time I was moving the family file to another PC and
a good way to do this is by using the BU zip (as I have done before).
In the test cases I always extract the family file and rename it so I
don't over write anything in my current family file.

It just seemed odd to me that certain BUs requested a password on 2
different PCs. Since I can drag and drop the files to extract them,
they are not really password protected so it might be a problem with
the XP ZIP extraction wizard. I think I'll try one of the free
programs and see if it has the same problem with these files.

Thanks for your help.

Al

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Richard Van Wasshnova
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ever since I installed the free program Secure Zip, (on desktop which
> normally generates my multimedia backups), the extraction on laptop
> proceeds part way then asks for a password for 10% of my files. Since
> I don't know the password I skip those and then drag and drop from the
> zip file to the correct directory (no password required for this).
> For the zipped Family file I use File Restore as specified with no problems.
>
> Richard
>
> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Al Mallory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The files were created when closing Legacy and a dialogue asks if you
>> want to backup family file (I don't have any multimedia files). In the
>> past it created a zipped folder containing  the main family file and 3
>> others (focus groups etc). I have been able to right click on these
>> folders and select Extract All to gain access to all of the files. Now
>> I get the message that each file is password protected and a request
>> for a password. I have been able to move these files between PCs
>> without issue in the past .
>>
>> Yes this occurs even when I try it on the same pc that created it or
>> another. When I right click on the zipped file I get - open - search -
>> browse with AVI codec - explore-extract all etc.
>>
>> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:31 PM, Richard Van Wasshnova
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Hi Al,
>>>
>>> I assume you are talking about extracting multimedia files that Legacy
>>> created using File / Backup multimedia files.
>>> If you are talking about a backup family file you don't normally
>>> extract it that way.
>>> Are you extracting on the same machine that created it?
>>> When you right click on a ziped multimedia file what are the first 3
>>> items on the menu?
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Richard Van Wasshnova
>>> Seal Beach, CA
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Al Mallory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 I have been backing up my files at the end of every day and retained
 numerous versions. I tried to extract one of the zipped folders and
 was told that it was password protected. I can't extract it.

 This seemed to have happened with a number of backups over the last
 few weeks. I've never changed anything and can get at the files by
 double clicking the zip folder and dragging the family file out. (what
 kind of password protection is this?!)

 I'm using windows XP and Legacy 6 Deluxe - any ideas as to why this is
 happening?

 Thanks

 --
 Al Mallory
 Whitby, Ontario



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SV: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

2008-05-16 Thread Erik Pilgaard Vinther

Correct me if I have misunderstood, but as you are now shipping the Legacy 7
Delux Version to new customers, the software IS ready. I can easily wait for
the major re-vamp of your website, the training videos, press releases,
mailing list for announcements (I think it's save to say that all LUG
members are fully aware of the new release) - I just want the software by
download!

Regards
Erik

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne af Ken McGinnis
Sendt: 16. maj 2008 15:01
Til: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Emne: Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

> All it takes is for Millennia to put the program on an ftp
> server and add a single download link on their website.

That's true if all we were placing up there was the Standard Edition but
what 
fun would that be if you couldn't play with all the cool new Deluxe Edition 
features.   Also, we would kind of like to sell the Deluxe Edition and make
it 
available at the same time as the Standard Edition and we have a bunch of
work 
to re-vamp our website, redo our online store, finish up the training
videos, 
get CDs, work on press releases, compile mailing list to send out the 
announcements (so it's fair) and work on our ordering system to support the
new 
products, customer numbers, email lists, etc.

Those who purchase in last 10 months have already paid for Legacy 7.0 Deluxe
and 
really deserve to have it first.   We want to get Legacy ready and available
to 
everyone just as much as you want it.   I have just put in about 20 hours of

work and am headed to bed for a couple hours before I get up and do another
20 
hour day.   We are working hard to get it out to all of you.

Please, it's coming.   We ask for just a little more patience and
understanding.

Thanks

Ken McGinnis
Millennia Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
We are changing the world of genealogy!

- Original Message - 
From: "Erik Pilgaard Vinther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 5:25 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!


>I have NOT purchased my Legacy 6 within the last 10 months and are getting
> my free copy of legacy 7 shipped this moment, and i have NOT gone to the
NGS
> conference in Kansas to purchase a new copy. In other words, I'm an "old"
> and might I add faithful user of Legacy. How is this reworded by
Millennia?
> - by putting me at the bottom of the list of users to get the new release!
I
> really don't think this is fair, and I don't see why we have to wait. All
it
> takes is for Millennia to put the program on an ftp server and add a
single
> download link on their website.
>
> Erik
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

2008-05-16 Thread Dawn Crowley

We love this program and appreciate the efforts of the Legacy team to 
incorporate various new features in the new release and have it work 
properly.  It takes an incredible amount of work to pull this off, yet 
Legacy's standard version is free.  You offer the best technical support 
& customer interaction of any software company, which spoils us.  This 
raises the bar for the software industry.


Thank you,
Dawn

Ken McGinnis wrote:


All it takes is for Millennia to put the program on an ftp
server and add a single download link on their website.



That's true if all we were placing up there was the Standard Edition 
but what fun would that be if you couldn't play with all the cool new 
Deluxe Edition features.   Also, we would kind of like to sell the 
Deluxe Edition and make it available at the same time as the Standard 
Edition and we have a bunch of work to re-vamp our website, redo our 
online store, finish up the training videos, get CDs, work on press 
releases, compile mailing list to send out the announcements (so it's 
fair) and work on our ordering system to support the new products, 
customer numbers, email lists, etc.


Those who purchase in last 10 months have already paid for Legacy 7.0 
Deluxe and really deserve to have it first.   We want to get Legacy 
ready and available to everyone just as much as you want it.   I have 
just put in about 20 hours of work and am headed to bed for a couple 
hours before I get up and do another 20 hour day.   We are working 
hard to get it out to all of you.


Please, it's coming.   We ask for just a little more patience and 
understanding.


Thanks

Ken McGinnis
Millennia Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
We are changing the world of genealogy!

- Original Message - From: "Erik Pilgaard Vinther" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 5:25 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!


I have NOT purchased my Legacy 6 within the last 10 months and are 
getting
my free copy of legacy 7 shipped this moment, and i have NOT gone to 
the NGS
conference in Kansas to purchase a new copy. In other words, I'm an 
"old"
and might I add faithful user of Legacy. How is this reworded by 
Millennia?
- by putting me at the bottom of the list of users to get the new 
release! I
really don't think this is fair, and I don't see why we have to wait. 
All it
takes is for Millennia to put the program on an ftp server and add a 
single

download link on their website.

Erik




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[LegacyUG] Re: Not fair Millennia!

2008-05-16 Thread Scrapcat2

 
Ken... thank you for all the hard work you do to make our genealogy  research 
time worthwhile. I think everyone is excited about the new version and  just 
"can't wait" to get their hands on this exciting new program. Rest well and  
please accept our sincere thanks.
 
Carol
 
 
In a message dated 5/16/2008 6:05:53 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I have  just put in about 20 hours of 
work and am headed to bed for a couple hours  before I get up and do another 
20 
hour day.   We are working  hard to get it out to all of you.








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Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

2008-05-16 Thread Dermot McGlone

"THAT'S SO NOT FAIRI WANT IT AND I WANT IT NOW!!!"

I'm sorry for the block caps, and the tone of the above line, but this
is what these messages remind me of, a three year old child whining
because his favourite toy was taken away.  I'm just getting sick and
tired of all these messages looking for v7 NOW.  Will you all please
relax, chill out, take a chill pill, chillax, whatever, but have a
little patience.

Does it REALLY matter if you have the new software a few weeks after
the very first release of it?  If you answer yes, ask yourself "why
does it matter?" Is your life going to be so much worse because you
have to wait about 21-28 or so days (I'm guessing here, I don't have
any insights)?

Come on, a little perspective is needed here.  There are many of us
who have been users of Legacy for quite a while (got Legacy v5.0 in
February 2005 myself), and while many of us are impatient, whining
like a child isn't going to make Millennia deliver it any faster.

Please, just take a step back, and have a little patience.

/* returns to normal lurking (and occasional interjection) */

Regards,

Dermot.

2008/5/16 Erik Pilgaard Vinther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Correct me if I have misunderstood, but as you are now shipping the Legacy 7
> Delux Version to new customers, the software IS ready. I can easily wait for
> the major re-vamp of your website, the training videos, press releases,
> mailing list for announcements (I think it's save to say that all LUG
> members are fully aware of the new release) - I just want the software by
> download!
>
> Regards
> Erik



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Re: [LegacyUG] PDFs

2008-05-16 Thread John Magyari


I reproduced same results, missing right and bottom border.
I will forward to the BETA program.
john

ronald ferguson wrote:

Maria,

I have now checked the PDFs from both a Legacy Descendant Chart and Legacy Charting. In 
the case of the latter I only created enough generations for it to fit on one page (one 
as it happens). In the Legacy Charting Set-up I set it to "fit page" (A4) and 
similarly set the Legacy Descendant Chart to A4.

Both PDFs were the same size (8.22x11.65  for Legacy Desc. Chart and 8.26x11.69 
Legacy Charting)

However when I used a border on the Legacy Charting PDF the right-hand border 
and the bottom border were cut off. Without the border it looked OK and was 
still the same size as the other PDF.

It looks like they have solved the main problem, in that previous large chunks 
of the charts were being cut off, but not quite got the borders right yet.


Ron Ferguson

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 13:49:40 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] PDFs


Using version

Legacy Version 6.0.0.190

Legacy Chart 7.0.094



I went back and created PDFs again in both applications saw different 
dimensions for PDFs, the Legacy Chart being smaller with the right and bottom 
border/margin missing.


Maria

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:41 AM, ronald ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Maria,

Have you checked that you have the latest version of Legacy Charting 
(7.0.094.645) and that your charts were made using this version? It was a known 
problem but I understood that this problem had been resolved, otherwise it 
hasn't!

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 07:26:52 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] PDFs





I created a Ancestor Book in Legacy and saved as PDF.

I then created several charts in Legacy Charting as PDFs.

I'd like to send out PDFs for family members to print themselves.





When I inserted the Charts into my Ancestor Book PDF, I noticed that the size 
of the chart PDF pages were 8 x 10.67 inches and the Legacy Pages are 8.5 x 11 
inches.



Also the charts seem to have a margin around the top and left hand size, but 
seem to be missing margins from the bottom and right hand side,  is this 
because the pages created 8 x 10.67 inches are to small?



Is there something I'm suppose to set to get 8.5 x 11 inch pages in Legacy 
Charting?





Thanks,

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Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

I'll hazard a guess that the work would go a bit more quickly (and it 
*is* a lot of work!) if these constant explanations weren't necessary. 
Seriously, is *this* the most important thing going on in your lives 
right now?!


I have a vivid image of a line of people camped out around the Millennia 
building waiting for the doors to open, a la Cabbage Patch Kids.  But 
with laptops and other modern "improvements," I doubt the rest of us 
would be sparred the never ending complaints.


So please, guys, get this thing out so we can find something else to 
complain about.



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Re: SV: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennial!

2008-05-16 Thread Bill Daniels

I am going to play devils' advocate.  And on every new release, this 
advantageous group of LUG  lovers just can't simplify  wait  for 
Millennina to complete the new release.  there like kids in a candy 
store!  And as soon as it does get out to the general public   there  
will be this influx of emails about this and that small repair over 
looked by the developers. And how disappointed some people will be 
because  the developers overlooked their particular hot button   So 
please be patient!  and take a deep breath and enjoy all the hard work 
these people have done for our enjoyment.  This ever moment  reminds  me 
of the children shaking the presents under the Christmas tree..  and 
running downstairs and opening the gifts before dawn.



Please do not take it wrong I been using Legacy still #3.0  and its the 
best genealogy program out there.  I myself will download the program 
probability in 2 months. Sounds strange but I like working a completely 
updated version with corrections too. I'm gratefully  for all the work 
Ken, Geoff, Terry,  and the others  that I can't remember their names 
have done to make it the best genealogy program. But I learned patients 

Anyway , I just  uncovered my grandmothers death certificate, a 
quit-deed to her home in Ohio,  the deed of sale then they bought the 
home in 1918. It be interesting if property values today were what they 
were in 1918.   So I'm having a great time  reading new  genealogy 
stuff  about my ancestries.  That's what its about !  


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Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

2008-05-16 Thread marilyn E B

Dermot,

I agree with you and maybe Millenia should be like I was with my
children: "The more you whine, the longer you wait".

Yes, I would love to have had it in early May. I am sending a packet
to my first cousins, once removed, in Georgia for the
family reunion. I am sure all the new bells and whistles would have
made it even better. But it is not going to be and as none
of them even use a genealogy program; what I send will be appreciated as is.

If those who can not live without it are bored and have nothing to do
I have some suggestions: sign up for indexing with Family Search,
find a person who needs some genealogy help and spend a few days
paying ahead or just go work in the garden. The devil finds work for
idle hands.

Smiles,
Marilyn

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Dermot McGlone
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "THAT'S SO NOT FAIRI WANT IT AND I WANT IT NOW!!!"
>
> I'm sorry for the block caps, and the tone of the above line, but this
> is what these messages remind me of, a three year old child whining
> because his favourite toy was taken away.  I'm just getting sick and
> tired of all these messages looking for v7 NOW.  Will you all please
> relax, chill out, take a chill pill, chillax, whatever, but have a
> little patience.
>
> Does it REALLY matter if you have the new software a few weeks after
> the very first release of it?  If you answer yes, ask yourself "why
> does it matter?" Is your life going to be so much worse because you
> have to wait about 21-28 or so days (I'm guessing here, I don't have
> any insights)?
>
> Come on, a little perspective is needed here.  There are many of us
> who have been users of Legacy for quite a while (got Legacy v5.0 in
> February 2005 myself), and while many of us are impatient, whining
> like a child isn't going to make Millennia deliver it any faster.
>
> Please, just take a step back, and have a little patience.
>
> /* returns to normal lurking (and occasional interjection) */
>
> Regards,
>
> Dermot.
>
>

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[LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

2008-05-16 Thread Krisjan


Ken,

You said:

Those who purchase in last 10 months have already paid for Legacy 7.0 
Deluxe and really deserve to have it first.


My question is: What about the loyal customers who started way back with
Legacy version 2.0; also bought version 3.0 and version 4.0 and version 5.0
and purchased the download version of version 6? (By the way I have CD's of
each of these versions except v6.0, for which I have my customer number, to
prove my point). Are these people because they bought the new versions more
or less at the time that each was released not MORE important than Johnny
Come Latelies that only bought a copy within the last 10 months?

I must admit your explanation as to who really deserve to have the new
version first, makes no logic sense to me.

Christiaan

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!




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Re: [LegacyUG] Backups Password Protected

2008-05-16 Thread Gary Templeman

Have you tried just hitting OK (a blank password)? Have you written 
SecureZip support and asked them how to get past that? There should never be 
a password on an archive that *you* create directly, but perhaps there is 
something in the Legacy backup creation process that SecureZip is 
interpreting wrong.


Gary

- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Van Wasshnova" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Backups Password Protected



Ever since I installed the free program Secure Zip, (on desktop which
normally generates my multimedia backups), the extraction on laptop
proceeds part way then asks for a password for 10% of my files. Since
I don't know the password I skip those and then drag and drop from the
zip file to the correct directory (no password required for this).
For the zipped Family file I use File Restore as specified with no 
problems.


Richard

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Al Mallory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

The files were created when closing Legacy and a dialogue asks if you
want to backup family file (I don't have any multimedia files). In the
past it created a zipped folder containing  the main family file and 3
others (focus groups etc). I have been able to right click on these
folders and select Extract All to gain access to all of the files. Now
I get the message that each file is password protected and a request
for a password. I have been able to move these files between PCs
without issue in the past .

Yes this occurs even when I try it on the same pc that created it or
another. When I right click on the zipped file I get - open - search -
browse with AVI codec - explore-extract all etc.

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:31 PM, Richard Van Wasshnova
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi Al,

I assume you are talking about extracting multimedia files that Legacy
created using File / Backup multimedia files.
If you are talking about a backup family file you don't normally
extract it that way.
Are you extracting on the same machine that created it?
When you right click on a ziped multimedia file what are the first 3
items on the menu?

---
Richard Van Wasshnova
Seal Beach, CA

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Al Mallory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I have been backing up my files at the end of every day and retained
numerous versions. I tried to extract one of the zipped folders and
was told that it was password protected. I can't extract it.

This seemed to have happened with a number of backups over the last
few weeks. I've never changed anything and can get at the files by
double clicking the zip folder and dragging the family file out. (what
kind of password protection is this?!)

I'm using windows XP and Legacy 6 Deluxe - any ideas as to why this is
happening?

Thanks

--
Al Mallory
Whitby, Ontario



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RE: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

2008-05-16 Thread Tim Rosenlof

Following comment is not to Not to Ken, but to Erik, Other developers
watch and follow this mailing list. They could possibly get some for
thier programs idea's before Legacy is released. Fair ?

-Tim

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
> Of Ken McGinnisKe
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 7:01 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!
> 
> 
> > All it takes is for Millennia to put the program on an ftp 
> server and 
> > add a single download link on their website.
> 
> That's true if all we were placing up there was the Standard 
> Edition but what 
> fun would that be if you couldn't play with all the cool new 
> Deluxe Edition 
> features.   Also, we would kind of like to sell the Deluxe 
> Edition and make it 
> available at the same time as the Standard Edition and we 
> have a bunch of work 
> to re-vamp our website, redo our online store, finish up the 
> training videos, 
> get CDs, work on press releases, compile mailing list to send out the 
> announcements (so it's fair) and work on our ordering system 
> to support the new 
> products, customer numbers, email lists, etc.
> 
> Those who purchase in last 10 months have already paid for 
> Legacy 7.0 Deluxe and 
> really deserve to have it first.   We want to get Legacy 
> ready and available to 
> everyone just as much as you want it.   I have just put in 
> about 20 hours of 
> work and am headed to bed for a couple hours before I get up 
> and do another 20 
> hour day.   We are working hard to get it out to all of you.
> 
> Please, it's coming.   We ask for just a little more patience 
> and understanding.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Ken McGinnis
> Millennia Corporation
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of 
> genealogy!
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Erik Pilgaard Vinther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 5:25 AM
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!
> 
> 
> >I have NOT purchased my Legacy 6 within the last 10 months and are 
> >getting  my free copy of legacy 7 shipped this moment, and i 
> have NOT 
> >gone to the NGS  conference in Kansas to purchase a new 
> copy. In other 
> >words, I'm an "old"  and might I add faithful user of Legacy. How is 
> >this reworded by Millennia?
> > - by putting me at the bottom of the list of users to get 
> the new release! I
> > really don't think this is fair, and I don't see why we 
> have to wait. All it
> > takes is for Millennia to put the program on an ftp server 
> and add a single
> > download link on their website.
> >
> > Erik
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

2008-05-16 Thread Robert57P via Gmail



If Millennia put it up there for download right away, almost EVERYONE would 
be hitting their site.  Even the folks that ordered a CD that would arrive 
in a few days/weeks would probably be using the download.  This means more 
hits on the download server, poorer download service, more maintenance, more 
back-of-the-house expense, etc.


Thus by shipping the CDs first, they are reducing the amount of folks that 
will want/need to download it right away.  This is not only a wise cost 
saving effort (less server expense, less customer service expense, etc), it 
will also give better download service to those that do download it (fewer 
people trying to connect to the box at the same time to do the downloads). 
This will result in less system crashes/problems and thus less complaints 
once the downloads start.  This translates to GOOD BUSINESS SENSE that will 
save them some "behind the scenes" support expense, a savings that will 
allow them to continue to offer FANTASTIC software for GREAT prices.


The other thing to remember, there is always a "you get it first" group, and 
a "you get it later" group, no matter HOW they distribute it.  No business 
can get their product to all the people at the same time.  (If they put it 
on download first, dial-up folks would probably complain 'cause download is 
more difficult to them, or folks that prefer to do their installs via CD 
would complain, or . . . etc, etc, etc).  They can NOT please all the 
people, no matter what they do.  They just have to make a decision and dive 
in.  Please do NOT take it personally that your access to the new program 
will be a few days later.  Heck - you may even benefit - the folks that get 
it on CD will be the first "guinea pigs" to "test" the official product, and 
thus by the time you download it, there may already be a quick patch or two 
included in the event that some unforeseen bug sneaks through.


Don't get me wrong, I'm just as anxious as everyone else to see it.  But 
waiting another few days/weeks isn't going to change my life.


Bob

- Original Message - 
From: "Dermot McGlone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!



"THAT'S SO NOT FAIRI WANT IT AND I WANT IT NOW!!!"

I'm sorry for the block caps, and the tone of the above line, but this
is what these messages remind me of, a three year old child whining
because his favourite toy was taken away.  I'm just getting sick and
tired of all these messages looking for v7 NOW.  Will you all please
relax, chill out, take a chill pill, chillax, whatever, but have a
little patience.

Does it REALLY matter if you have the new software a few weeks after
the very first release of it?  If you answer yes, ask yourself "why
does it matter?" Is your life going to be so much worse because you
have to wait about 21-28 or so days (I'm guessing here, I don't have
any insights)?

Come on, a little perspective is needed here.  There are many of us
who have been users of Legacy for quite a while (got Legacy v5.0 in
February 2005 myself), and while many of us are impatient, whining
like a child isn't going to make Millennia deliver it any faster.

Please, just take a step back, and have a little patience.

/* returns to normal lurking (and occasional interjection) */

Regards,

Dermot.

2008/5/16 Erik Pilgaard Vinther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Correct me if I have misunderstood, but as you are now shipping the 
Legacy 7
Delux Version to new customers, the software IS ready. I can easily wait 
for

the major re-vamp of your website, the training videos, press releases,
mailing list for announcements (I think it's save to say that all LUG
members are fully aware of the new release) - I just want the software by
download!

Regards
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Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

2008-05-16 Thread Lucy Abbott

Speaking of children, I have found working with
children many times more enjoyable than working with
adults.  At least you expect them to act like
children.

The number of emails that has gone through this list
that have dealt with When, Why, Why Not, Unhappy,
Upset, etc has been astronomical and did not do one
thing to help me work with the program.

Thank you to the Legacy Team for upgrading the system,
wish other companies would do it as often, and thank
you to those on the list that actually sent emails
with questions and answers to emails asking for help
with Legacy function situations.

I too will go back into lurk mode, and try to read
just the "real" legacy emails rather than waste my
time.  If you would put a subject line of "whine"on
any more of these, it would be easier for me to sort
those out and just delete.

Lucy
Mill Creek Washington
Wares, MacKay, Campbell
  
--- marilyn E B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dermot,
> 
> I agree with you and maybe Millenia should be like I
> was with my
> children: "The more you whine, the longer you wait".
> 
> Yes, I would love to have had it in early May. I am
> sending a packet
> to my first cousins, once removed, in Georgia for
> the
> family reunion. I am sure all the new bells and
> whistles would have
> made it even better. But it is not going to be and
> as none
> of them even use a genealogy program; what I send
> will be appreciated as is.
> 
> If those who can not live without it are bored and
> have nothing to do
> I have some suggestions: sign up for indexing with
> Family Search,
> find a person who needs some genealogy help and
> spend a few days
> paying ahead or just go work in the garden. The
> devil finds work for
> idle hands.
> 
> Smiles,
> Marilyn
> 
> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Dermot McGlone
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "THAT'S SO NOT FAIRI WANT IT AND I WANT IT
> NOW!!!"
> >
> > I'm sorry for the block caps, and the tone of the
> above line, but this
> > is what these messages remind me of, a three year
> old child whining
> > because his favourite toy was taken away.  I'm
> just getting sick and
> > tired of all these messages looking for v7 NOW. 
> Will you all please
> > relax, chill out, take a chill pill, chillax,
> whatever, but have a
> > little patience.
> >
> > Does it REALLY matter if you have the new software
> a few weeks after
> > the very first release of it?  If you answer yes,
> ask yourself "why
> > does it matter?" Is your life going to be so much
> worse because you
> > have to wait about 21-28 or so days (I'm guessing
> here, I don't have
> > any insights)?
> >
> > Come on, a little perspective is needed here. 
> There are many of us
> > who have been users of Legacy for quite a while
> (got Legacy v5.0 in
> > February 2005 myself), and while many of us are
> impatient, whining
> > like a child isn't going to make Millennia deliver
> it any faster.
> >
> > Please, just take a step back, and have a little
> patience.
> >
> > /* returns to normal lurking (and occasional
> interjection) */
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Dermot.
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
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[LegacyUG] Re: Not fair Millennia!

2008-05-16 Thread Scrapcat2

 
In the last few hours, I have found 6 new direct ancestors from "way back".  
Exciting breakthrough!!! Let's all take a deep breath and spend our time  
researching and finding new information for our databases instead of whining,  
complaining and taking up Millennia staff time. Let's do our work which is  
research and let Millenia do their work of developing great bug-free  software.
 
Carol
 
In a message dated 5/16/2008 8:53:37 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Come on,  a little perspective is needed here.  There are many of us
who have  been users of Legacy for quite a while (got Legacy v5.0 in
February 2005  myself), and while many of us are impatient, whining
like a child isn't  going to make Millennia deliver it any faster.







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Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

2008-05-16 Thread Andre Switala

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Ken McGinnis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Those who purchase in last 10 months have already paid for Legacy 7.0 Deluxe
> and really deserve to have it first.

I just want to get this straight: I you already had Legacy Deluxe 6.0,
you should have purchased another Legacy Deluxe 6.0 update in order to
be among the "deserving" customers? What sense does this make? I think
it is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard about treating
existing customers. Congratulations!

Andre

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Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

2008-05-16 Thread Art Seddon

Of course they paid for it first and we old-timers haven't because a way has 
NOT been available.

Art Seddon\

- Original Message - 
From: "Ken McGinnis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

> All it takes is for Millennia to put the program on an ftp
> server and add a single download link on their website.

That's true if all we were placing up there was the Standard Edition but 
what
fun would that be if you couldn't play with all the cool new Deluxe Edition
features.   Also, we would kind of like to sell the Deluxe Edition and make 
it
available at the same time as the Standard Edition and we have a bunch of 
work
to re-vamp our website, redo our online store, finish up the training 
videos,
get CDs, work on press releases, compile mailing list to send out the
announcements (so it's fair) and work on our ordering system to support the 
new
products, customer numbers, email lists, etc.

Those who purchase in last 10 months have already paid for Legacy 7.0 Deluxe 
and
really deserve to have it first.   We want to get Legacy ready and available 
to
everyone just as much as you want it.   I have just put in about 20 hours of
work and am headed to bed for a couple hours before I get up and do another 
20
hour day.   We are working hard to get it out to all of you.

Please, it's coming.   We ask for just a little more patience and 
understanding.

Thanks

Ken McGinnis
Millennia Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
We are changing the world of genealogy!

- Original Message - 
From: "Erik Pilgaard Vinther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 5:25 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

>I have NOT purchased my Legacy 6 within the last 10 months and are getting
> my free copy of legacy 7 shipped this moment, and i have NOT gone to the 
> NGS
> conference in Kansas to purchase a new copy. In other words, I'm an "old"
> and might I add faithful user of Legacy. How is this reworded by 
> Millennia?
> - by putting me at the bottom of the list of users to get the new release! 
> I
> really don't think this is fair, and I don't see why we have to wait. All 
> it
> takes is for Millennia to put the program on an ftp server and add a 
> single
> download link on their website.
>
> Erik
>
>
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy V6. File ID #s and Events Thanks

2008-05-16 Thread Joi Soucy

5.16.08

Thanks to Chap, Cathy and JL for the assistance and guidance. Looks like I
have a bit more homework to do before making a commitment whether to use the
File ID's and if so...How?
And JL, thanks for the link...I will definitely add that to my homework
list.

Joi
Kodiak, Alaska

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cathy
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 9:45 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy V6. File ID #s and Events - Am I doing this
right? (semi-long)

Hi Joi,

Welcome and it's great to see that you're 
thinking about how to be consistent before you get too far.

Re Events. The major events (birth, death, 
baptism and burial) are treated separately on the 
Individual Information screen. Anything else can 
be added as an Event or Fact. Note that the 
heading is Event/Fact. You can choose for a 
particular Event/Fact type whether or not it has 
a date field or a location field if that helps.

Yes I add a Death Certificate as a Source to any 
bit of information that I have learnt or had 
backed up from it - so for the date and place of 
death itself, then the name, the parents names etc
The Source Clipboard is a good way of doing this. 
That way you type the source with source detail 
once and then can add it multiple times.

The File ID in the source is there for your 
benefit. What you put in there depends on how you 
file your pieces of paper. Some people file by 
family and use the MRIN as you suggest. I file by 
type so the Death Certificate would have a File ID like "Death 021."

Legacy can help you see what the next number in 
the sequence would be but it can't fill this 
field automatically as it depends on your filing system.

Cathy

At 01:09 PM 16/05/2008, you wrote:
>I have viewed all of the training videos.and as 
>new user of this program, I really want to start 
>off on the right foot.and avoid re-doing 
>something I messed up after I have entered 1000 
>relatives. I also don't want to reinvent the 
>wheel if Legacy has provided the tools and I 
>just can't figure out how to use it effectively.
>
>So, here's the question.if I have a source 
>document that provides information for many 
>things -such as a death certificate which gives 
>the DOD, COD, place of death, parent's names, 
>etc- I have one "Event" in Legacy -- the death, 
>right?  (Still a bit confused as to what should 
>and should not be listed as an "event")
>
>But, that aside, for all the other pieces of 
>information gleaned from this single document- 
>the death certificate is cited in the various 
>places - COD, DOD, Cemetery, etc.-so far so good?
>
>Now, what do I do in the File ID box? Is that 
>something to "turn on" somewhere with a "tick 
>box" so an ID is automatically generated? Is that the MRIN? The RIN?
>
>If I were to create the File ID using the MRIN 
>(or RIN), should I tack on an additional number 
>or letter to identify the specific document 
>attached to that family or individual? So, the 
>Death Certificate might be MRIN 00012-2, 
>representing couple 12 with only 2 documents in their file. Does this work?
>
>What kind of problems could this create in the 
>future for reports, retrieving documents, etc.
>
>Thanks for your help--many of the posts here 
>have already answered so many questions.
>Joi Soucy

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Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

2008-05-16 Thread Alice Hawrilenko

I too have used Legacy for too many years to count. I've reached a point in my 
software relationships that I am perfectly content to let LOTS of other folks 
try out new releases before I put my money Down! LOL I just purchased Version 6 
last year! :-)
Alice-a satisfied customer since 2002

- Original Message - 
  From: Mary Figgins 
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 12:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

I agree.  I've been a user of Legacy for many, many years also. Even 
though I was able to attend the conference, I can wait a few weeks until my 
turn comes.  

It's easy to say - All it takes is __ when you really don't 
know what's involved for things to run smoothly.  Who gets the blame if there's 
a problem with the rollout of the update?  It won't be the customer who 
couldn't wait.  They will all blame the merchant.

It is my understand that they are NOT SHIPPING the software to new 
customers.  The only place new customers can get it is at the NGS conference.  
That doesn't involve any webpages or computer anything else, just an exchange 
of product and money.  They also can't get the download version which is less 
expensive.

Mary Beth

--- On Fri, 5/16/08, Dermot McGlone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  From: Dermot McGlone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Date: Friday, May 16, 2008, 9:29 AM

"THAT'S SO NOT FAIRI WANT IT AND I WANT IT NOW!!!"I'm sorry for the 
block caps, and the tone of the above line, but thisis what these messages 
remind me of, a three year old child whiningbecause his favourite toy was taken 
away.  I'm just getting sick andtired of all these messages looking for v7 NOW. 
 Will you all pleaserelax, chill out, take a chill pill, chillax, whatever, but 
have alittle patience.Does it REALLY matter if you have the new software a few 
weeks afterthe very first release of it?  If you answer yes, ask yourself 
"whydoes it matter?" Is your
 life going to be so much worse because youhave to wait about 21-28 or so days 
(I'm guessing here, I don't haveany insights)?Come on, a little perspective is 
needed here.  There are many of uswho have been users of Legacy for quite a 
while (got Legacy v5.0 inFebruary 2005 myself), and while many of us are 
impatient, whininglike a child isn't going to make Millennia deliver it any 
faster.Please, just take a step back, and have a little patience./* returns to 
normal lurking (and occasional interjection) */Regards,Dermot.2008/5/16 Erik 
Pilgaard Vinther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:>> Correct me if I have misunderstood, but 
as you are now shipping the Legacy7> Delux Version to new customers, the 
software IS ready. I can easily waitfor> the major re-vamp of your website, the 
training videos, press releases,> mailing list for announcements (I think
 it's save to say that all LUG> members are fully aware of the new release) - I 
just want the software by> download!>> Regards> ErikLegacy User Group 
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[LegacyUG] How Do You Handle Two Sided Documents?

I've been playing around with scanning my documents and pictures 
directly into Legacy.  The first thing I had, though, was a birth 
certificate with a lot of information on the back.  Do you just scan 
twice, basically creating two files, or is there a way to make it wait 
for page two?


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Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

2008-05-16 Thread John S. Adams

The logic is very simple:  Cash Flow.

Last summer it was announced that Ver. 7 would be released "soon."  Why would 
new potential customers buy Ver. 6 at full price when they knew they would have 
to spend full price again in a few weeks or months for Ver. 7?  They wouldn't.  
They'd either wait, meaning Millenia's cash flow would drop to zero; or they 
would buy another program, meaning Millenia would have lost customers, probably 
permanently.  So Millenia offered an incentive--Buy now, get Ver. 7 at no 
additional cost when it is released.  In effect, new customers after June 2007 
paid in advance for Ver. 7 and received Ver. 6 in the interim.  Since they've 
already purchased Ver. 7, they get it first.  Sounds fair to me.  I bought Ver. 
6 shortly after it was released in 2005.  Should I get Ver. 7 free?  It would 
be nice, but I'm willing to pay full price.  I want Millenia to stay in 
business.

As I recall, Millenia has made the same offer for the last several releases.  
It makes business sense, and they are after all in business.  No profit, no 
Legacy.

just my ¢¢

John S. Adams
Hermosa Beach, CA
  - Original Message - 
  From: Krisjan 
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:16 AM
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!


  Ken,

   You said:

  > Those who purchase in last 10 months have already paid for Legacy 7.0 
  > Deluxe and really deserve to have it first.

   My question is: What about the loyal customers who started way back with
   Legacy version 2.0; also bought version 3.0 and version 4.0 and version 5.0
   and purchased the download version of version 6? (By the way I have CD's of
   each of these versions except v6.0, for which I have my customer number, to
   prove my point). Are these people because they bought the new versions more
   or less at the time that each was released not MORE important than Johnny
   Come Latelies that only bought a copy within the last 10 months?

   I must admit your explanation as to who really deserve to have the new
   version first, makes no logic sense to me.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

We, Legacy Deluxe 6.0 users, have not purchased Version 7 yet.  Some 
other people have.  It's a matter of days difference and the massive 
logistics of putting this altogether, as Ken has explained on the list 
twice already, taking more valuable time out of his day.  Geez, have a 
heart.

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Andre Switala wrote:

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Ken McGinnis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

Those who purchase in last 10 months have already paid for Legacy 7.0 Deluxe
and really deserve to have it first.



I just want to get this straight: I you already had Legacy Deluxe 6.0,
you should have purchased another Legacy Deluxe 6.0 update in order to
be among the "deserving" customers? What sense does this make? I think
it is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard about treating
existing customers. Congratulations!

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Re: [LegacyUG] Backups Password Protected

2008-05-16 Thread Al Mallory

I thought of trying with a blank password, but the OK button is greyed
out so all I can do is skip file or cancel. I'll try following up with
SecureZip - I don't like the idea that a backup might not be
accessible (even tho there is a workaround now who knows in the
future).

Al

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Gary Templeman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Have you tried just hitting OK (a blank password)? Have you written
> SecureZip support and asked them how to get past that? There should never be
> a password on an archive that *you* create directly, but perhaps there is
> something in the Legacy backup creation process that SecureZip is
> interpreting wrong.
>
> Gary
>
> - Original Message - From: "Richard Van Wasshnova"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Backups Password Protected
>
>
>> Ever since I installed the free program Secure Zip, (on desktop which
>> normally generates my multimedia backups), the extraction on laptop
>> proceeds part way then asks for a password for 10% of my files. Since
>> I don't know the password I skip those and then drag and drop from the
>> zip file to the correct directory (no password required for this).
>> For the zipped Family file I use File Restore as specified with no
>> problems.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Al Mallory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> The files were created when closing Legacy and a dialogue asks if you
>>> want to backup family file (I don't have any multimedia files). In the
>>> past it created a zipped folder containing  the main family file and 3
>>> others (focus groups etc). I have been able to right click on these
>>> folders and select Extract All to gain access to all of the files. Now
>>> I get the message that each file is password protected and a request
>>> for a password. I have been able to move these files between PCs
>>> without issue in the past .
>>>
>>> Yes this occurs even when I try it on the same pc that created it or
>>> another. When I right click on the zipped file I get - open - search -
>>> browse with AVI codec - explore-extract all etc.
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:31 PM, Richard Van Wasshnova
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 Hi Al,

 I assume you are talking about extracting multimedia files that Legacy
 created using File / Backup multimedia files.
 If you are talking about a backup family file you don't normally
 extract it that way.
 Are you extracting on the same machine that created it?
 When you right click on a ziped multimedia file what are the first 3
 items on the menu?

 ---
 Richard Van Wasshnova
 Seal Beach, CA

 On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Al Mallory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I have been backing up my files at the end of every day and retained
> numerous versions. I tried to extract one of the zipped folders and
> was told that it was password protected. I can't extract it.
>
> This seemed to have happened with a number of backups over the last
> few weeks. I've never changed anything and can get at the files by
> double clicking the zip folder and dragging the family file out. (what
> kind of password protection is this?!)
>
> I'm using windows XP and Legacy 6 Deluxe - any ideas as to why this is
> happening?
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Al Mallory
> Whitby, Ontario
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] How Do You Handle Two Sided Documents?

2008-05-16 Thread Bill Daniels


Kris wrote:
I've been playing around with scanning my documents and pictures 
directly into Legacy.  The first thing I had, though, was a birth 
certificate with a lot of information on the back.  Do you just scan 
twice, basically creating two files, or is there a way to make it wait 
for page two?





You Are correct  just identify the document 2A and 2B   My father 
military documents is 462 pages longer   


Bill Daniels




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RE: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

2008-05-16 Thread Dave

I've got a suggestion.   How about all of those people who have a gripe with
Millenia write to them directly and express their views?   That would spare
the rest of us from reading all of the childish whining and belly-aching
that's been going on here.It's really getting to be ridiculous!

 

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SV: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

2008-05-16 Thread Erik Pilgaard Vinther

Wauuu.. one has to be very careful not to raise any criticism towards
Millennia in this list, or risk being called names like cry baby and other
condescending names. It appears that the majority of the members of this
list are quite happy with legacy 6 and even older versions. Good for you  I
expect youll not be upgrading then. I, for one, dont submit to the common
psychosis that Legacy 6 is simply the best genealogy program on the marked,
and that Millennia is providing the program to the community solely out the
goodness of their harts (it may come as big surprise to some, but they are
in the game for a profit). 

Anyway, over the passed years I have been submitting a number of change
requests to Legacy, some of which constitutes a major problem to me, in my
daily use of the program. Even though no promises were given by Millennia,
it is my hope that some of these changes are incorporated into the new
release.  Thats why Im so eager to get the software.

Erik

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Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne af Alice
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Emne: Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

I too have used Legacy for too many years to count. I've reached a point in
my software relationships that I am perfectly content to let LOTS of other
folks try out new releases before I put my money Down! LOL I just purchased
Version 6 last year! :-)

Alice-a satisfied customer since 2002

- Original Message - 

From: Mary Figgins   

To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 

Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 12:01 PM

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

I agree.  I've been a user of Legacy for many, many years also. Even though
I was able to attend the conference, I can wait a few weeks until my turn
comes.  

It's easy to say - All it takes is __ when you really don't know
what's involved for things to run smoothly.  Who gets the blame if there's a
problem with the rollout of the update?  It won't be the customer who
couldn't wait.  They will all blame the merchant.

It is my understand that they are NOT SHIPPING the software to new
customers.  The only place new customers can get it is at the NGS
conference.  That doesn't involve any webpages or computer anything else,
just an exchange of product and money.  They also can't get the download
version which is less expensive.

Mary Beth

--- On Fri, 5/16/08, Dermot McGlone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Dermot McGlone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Date: Friday, May 16, 2008, 9:29 AM

"THAT'S SO NOT FAIRI WANT IT AND I WANT IT NOW!!!"

I'm sorry for the block caps, and the tone of the above line, but this

is what these messages remind me of, a three year old child whining

because his favourite toy was taken away.  I'm just getting sick and

tired of all these messages looking for v7 NOW.  Will you all please

relax, chill out, take a chill pill, chillax, whatever, but have a

little patience.

Does it REALLY matter if you have the new software a few weeks after

the very first release of it?  If you answer yes, ask yourself "why

does it matter?" Is your
 life going to be so much worse because you

have to wait about 21-28 or so days (I'm guessing here, I don't have

any insights)?

Come on, a little perspective is needed here.  There are many of us

who have been users of Legacy for quite a while (got Legacy v5.0 in

February 2005 myself), and while many of us are impatient, whining

like a child isn't going to make Millennia deliver it any faster.

Please, just take a step back, and have a little patience.

/* returns to normal lurking (and occasional interjection) */

Regards,

Dermot.

2008/5/16 Erik Pilgaard Vinther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>

> Correct me if I have misunderstood, but as you are now shipping the Legacy

7

> Delux Version to new customers, the software IS ready. I can easily wait

for

> the major re-vamp of your website, the training videos, press releases,

> mailing list for announcements (I think
 it's save to say that all LUG

> members are fully aware of the new release) - I just want the software by

> download!

>

> Regards

> Erik

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[LegacyUG] [PM] v6 to v7

2008-05-16 Thread John Gregson

I am waiting for version 7, but I thought that I would install v6 on 
on my Vista computer.
This would give me an opportunity to get a feel for the software, also 
I would begin entering my
contacts into the PM address book.
Will the v7 upgrade, when it comes, import the contacts from v6?

Also, not certain of the proper protocol to use in the subject Line.

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Re: [LegacyUG] events - married or individual??

2008-05-16 Thread Mary Figgins

I have struggled with this also.  I don't want to print a report and have every census, etc. duplicated in the wifes and husbands reports.  So far what I'm doing is putting things such as residence and census that apply to both in the husband's events unless the line I'm actually researching is the wife's.  You know where the man married into your line and you're not going to be researching his line much.  If the children are near the age where they could be on their own but are still living at home then I make an event for them.  Otherwise I just use the census as a source for their birth, etc.  Marriage I use for marriage related items only. Mary Beth Figgins--- On Thu, 5/15/08, JLB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:From: JLB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] events - married or individual??To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.comDate: Thursday, May 15, 2008, 8:00 PMIt was an offhand remark.  However, people are still individuals and are entered into Legacy as individuals.  As some-one else already said, I tend to put events that are strictly marriage related, such as the marriage itself, into the marriage events and everything else separately.  My mother's description of my parent's honeymoon and firsthome I also put under their marriage event.  Things like census records I put separately.  It hasn't really been an issue for me yet, perhaps because most of my information is from generations further back and most of the women seemed to be invisible.  "Family" information alsoincludes children so where do you put that?  Like mixed photos, it gets a little confusing.  And I
 doubt there's a single answer.--JLJLog - simple computer technology for genealogistshttp://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.htmlJune McDonald wrote:> From: "JLB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] The way I see this is each person is born alone, and dies alone, and>> everything that happens in between happens to each personindividually.>> Ring any bells?>> No, because I consider I am doing a FAMILY history and therefore I > would prefer to be able to see what happens to folk as a family > whereever possible; and, as Ron Ferguson said, various reports show > different aspects and that is what I am undecided abt.>> June>Legacy User Group guidelines:http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspArchived messages:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/Online technical support:
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Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

2008-05-16 Thread Gene Young

Art Seddon wrote:
Of course they paid for it first and we old-timers haven't because a way has
NOT been available.

Art Seddon\

Huh?

This old-timer paid for a new V6 Deluxe shortly after it was announced that a free upgrade to V7 was
included. Obviously a way was available. I saw an opportunity to be assured of a faster upgrade
route and took it. I don't understand all the crying about being treated unfairly. Everyone had
the same opportunity. You can't cry and blame someone else because you failed to take the
opportunity when it presented itself. Every new product roll out (including upgrades) has to have a
well mapped and organized plan in order to succeed on the most levels. For the people crying that
they have been using Legacy for years so they should be first I can only say, I and others have been
using Legacy forever also. We have already paid for the upgrade through the process made available
by Millenia Corp to every established user. Do you really feel that you deserve the upgrade
before us, even though you have not pre-paid. A line has to be drawn someplace and the roll out
commenced in orderly stages or we will all be waiting even longer while Millenia repairs their
crashed servers caused by download overload. Please be patient and allow the process to continue
with out all the ME-TOO BOO HOO's and return the list to genuine Legacy issues and drop the "I
Whine" issues.

Just another "old" old-timer.
--
Gene Y.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

2008-05-16 Thread BOB CUNNINGHAM

I have a better idea. Everyone who is doing
 all of the belly-aching and childish whining  should re buy V6 now and then 
they will be able to
get V7 in the first batch to be sent out. Perhaps then they can all stop 
clogging up the list with
their constant moaning.
Back to Lurking



--- "John S. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The logic is very simple:  Cash Flow.
> 
> Last summer it was announced that Ver. 7 would be released "soon."  Why would 
> new potential
> customers buy Ver. 6 at full price when they knew they would have to spend 
> full price again in a
> few weeks or months for Ver. 7?  They wouldn't.  They'd either wait, meaning 
> Millenia's cash
> flow would drop to zero; or they would buy another program, meaning Millenia 
> would have lost
> customers, probably permanently.  So Millenia offered an incentive--Buy now, 
> get Ver. 7 at no
> additional cost when it is released.  In effect, new customers after June 
> 2007 paid in advance
> for Ver. 7 and received Ver. 6 in the interim.  Since they've already 
> purchased Ver. 7, they get
> it first.  Sounds fair to me.  I bought Ver. 6 shortly after it was released 
> in 2005.  Should I
> get Ver. 7 free?  It would be nice, but I'm willing to pay full price.  I 
> want Millenia to stay
> in business.
> 
> As I recall, Millenia has made the same offer for the last several releases.  
> It makes business
> sense, and they are after all in business.  No profit, no Legacy.
> 
> just my ¢¢
> 
> John S. Adams
> Hermosa Beach, CA
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Krisjan 
>   To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
>   Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:16 AM
>   Subject: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!
> 
> 
>   Ken,
> 
>You said:
> 
>   > Those who purchase in last 10 months have already paid for Legacy 7.0 
>   > Deluxe and really deserve to have it first.
> 
>My question is: What about the loyal customers who started way back with
>Legacy version 2.0; also bought version 3.0 and version 4.0 and version 5.0
>and purchased the download version of version 6? (By the way I have CD's of
>each of these versions except v6.0, for which I have my customer number, to
>prove my point). Are these people because they bought the new versions more
>or less at the time that each was released not MORE important than Johnny
>Come Latelies that only bought a copy within the last 10 months?
> 
>I must admit your explanation as to who really deserve to have the new
>version first, makes no logic sense to me.
> 
>   Christiaan
> 
> 
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RE: [LegacyUG] How Do You Handle Two Sided Documents?

2008-05-16 Thread DLevenick

Bill,
Regarding scanning... I have been advised to use TIFF files as archive
copies and then Save As or Convert to JPG files for cropping, enlarging,
etc. Evidently JPG loses information with each Save and is not as useful.
The TIFF files are large, however.

For multiple page documents, I discovered a great file type called
MULTI-TIFF. This creates multi-page TIFF docs that are readable on both
Windows and Mac. I open the file in a little shareware program called XnView
and do a batch conversion to make indiv pages into JPG. The program
renumbers each one by original file name with _page_001; _page_002  etc. 

This allows me to have good archival TIFF files, and smaller jpgs too. 
Other programs such as Adobe Elements will also convert TIFF to JPG.

I am becoming a Scan Queen!
Good luck, Denise

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill
Daniels
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 1:19 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How Do You Handle Two Sided Documents?

Kris wrote:
> I've been playing around with scanning my documents and pictures 
> directly into Legacy.  The first thing I had, though, was a birth 
> certificate with a lot of information on the back.  Do you just scan 
> twice, basically creating two files, or is there a way to make it wait 
> for page two?
>
>

You Are correct  just identify the document 2A and 2B   My father 
military documents is 462 pages longer   

Bill Daniels

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Re: [LegacyUG] How Do You Handle Two Sided Documents?

Whatever you want to call it, you have to turn the page over on the 
scanner and hit the Scan button again, which means you get two 
pages/images.  Legacy is not going to sew the two pages/images together 
for you.

--
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Kris wrote:
I've been playing around with scanning my documents and pictures 
directly into Legacy.  The first thing I had, though, was a birth 
certificate with a lot of information on the back.  Do you just scan 
twice, basically creating two files, or is there a way to make it wait 
for page two?


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Re: [LegacyUG] Name Tag Formatting

2008-05-16 Thread Johnny V

Cathy,

That doesn't work. I even have the database set to show marriage status. The
divorced marriages still show the preferred spouse.

Thanks
John Valencic




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RE: [LegacyUG] How Do You Handle Two Sided Documents?

2008-05-16 Thread ronald ferguson


Kris,


I must be missing something here as I do not understand your last sentence. 
However, it is necessary to scan both sides as separate images. If you use them 
as sources you can put both images into the Source Picture Screen, although you 
will view them separately


Ron Ferguson

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> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 13:52:56 -0500
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> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] How Do You Handle Two Sided Documents?
>
> I've been playing around with scanning my documents and pictures
> directly into Legacy. The first thing I had, though, was a birth
> certificate with a lot of information on the back. Do you just scan
> twice, basically creating two files, or is there a way to make it wait
> for page two?
>
> Thanks!
>
>

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Re: [LegacyUG] How Do You Handle Two Sided Documents?


ronald ferguson wrote:

Kris,


I must be missing something here as I do not understand your last sentence. 
However, it is necessary to scan both sides as separate images. If you use them 
as sources you can put both images into the Source Picture Screen, although you 
will view them separately


Ron Ferguson


Hi, Ron -- I'm sorry I was unclear.  I got some bad news and shouldn't 
be trying to do anything, frankly.  But you still managed to answer the 
question.  Thanks!  :-)




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Re: [LegacyUG] How Do You Handle Two Sided Documents?

2008-05-16 Thread Mary Figgins

Check with your scanner software.  I have scanned items, especially when using OCR, and told it there was more than one page.  Then the two pages were in the same file.  It's been awhile so I can't tell you how I did it or if it would work for photos.  If I get a chance this weekend I'll take a look.Mary Beth Figgins--- On Fri, 5/16/08, JLB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:From: JLB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How Do You Handle Two Sided Documents?To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.comDate: Friday, May 16, 2008, 3:59 PMWhatever you want to call it, you have to turn the page over on the scanner and hit the Scan button again, which means you get two pages/images.  Legacy is not
 going to sew the two pages/images together for you.--JLJLog - simple computer technology for genealogistshttp://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.htmlKris wrote:> I've been playing around with scanning my documents and pictures > directly into Legacy.  The first thing I had, though, was a birth > certificate with a lot of information on the back.  Do you just scan > twice, basically creating two files, or is there a way to make it wait > for page two?>> Thanks! Legacy User Group guidelines:   > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp> Archived messages:   > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/> Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp> To unsubscribe:
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Re: [LegacyUG] How Do You Handle Two Sided Documents?

2008-05-16 Thread Judy

I use a program called ScanSoft by Nuance  http://www.nuance.com/ - it scans 
beautifully and will take almost any file format and convert multiple single 
pages into a multi-page but single .pdf file.  Works very well with Legacy. 
Does a pretty good job with OCR, too.


Judy




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To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How Do You Handle Two Sided Documents?


Check with your scanner software.  I have scanned items, especially when 
using OCR, and told it there was more than one page.  Then the two pages 
were in the same file.  It's been awhile so I can't tell you how I did it or 
if it would work for photos.  If I get a chance this weekend I'll take a 
look.


Mary Beth Figgins

--- On Fri, 5/16/08, JLB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: JLB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How Do You Handle Two Sided Documents?
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Date: Friday, May 16, 2008, 3:59 PM


Whatever you want to call it, you have to turn the page over on the scanner 
and hit the Scan button again, which means you get two pages/images.  Legacy 
is not
going to sew the two pages/images together for you.--JLJLog - simple 
computer technology for genealogistshttp://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.htmlKris 
wrote:> I've been playing around with scanning my documents and pictures > 
directly into Legacy.  The first thing I had, though, was a birth > 
certificate with a lot of information on the back.  Do you just scan > 
twice, basically creating two files, or is there a way to make it wait > for 
page two?>> Thanks! Legacy User Group guidelines:   > 
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Re: [LegacyUG] How Do You Handle Two Sided Documents?

2008-05-16 Thread RICHARD SCHULTHIES

I don't do this often, but you could (somehow) create
a 'two page' PDF file, or an HTML document. Good Luck.
Rich in LA CA
--- Kris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> ronald ferguson wrote:
> > Kris,
> > 
> > 
> > I must be missing something here as I do not
> understand your last sentence. However, it is
> necessary to scan both sides as separate images. If
> you use them as sources you can put both images into
> the Source Picture Screen, although you will view
> them separately
> > 
> > 
> > Ron Ferguson
> 
> Hi, Ron -- I'm sorry I was unclear.  I got some bad
> news and shouldn't 
> be trying to do anything, frankly.  But you still
> managed to answer the 
> question.  Thanks!  :-)
> 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

2008-05-16 Thread Andre Switala

No one denies what you wrote - I think everyone understands that! No
one here said that older customers should get version 7.0 for free -
it is about the availability/the immediate purchase option for old
customers which is denied. And this is what makes no sense. It would
help at times to read what people write before one replies!

I for myself don't really care, since I am not planning to buy the new
version (unless mysteriously UTF-8 support appears), and I am actually
in the process to switching out of Legacy. I just wanted to protest
first class / second class treatment for a reason that doesn't make
sense!

Andre

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 3:00 PM, John S. Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The logic is very simple:  Cash Flow.
>
> Last summer it was announced that Ver. 7 would be released "soon."  Why
> would new potential customers buy Ver. 6 at full price when they knew they
> would have to spend full price again in a few weeks or months for Ver. 7?
> They wouldn't.  They'd either wait, meaning Millenia's cash flow would drop
> to zero; or they would buy another program, meaning Millenia would have lost
> customers, probably permanently.  So Millenia offered an incentive--Buy now,
> get Ver. 7 at no additional cost when it is released.  In effect, new
> customers after June 2007 paid in advance for Ver. 7 and received Ver. 6 in
> the interim.  Since they've already purchased Ver. 7, they get it first.
> Sounds fair to me.  I bought Ver. 6 shortly after it was released in 2005.
> Should I get Ver. 7 free?  It would be nice, but I'm willing to pay full
> price.  I want Millenia to stay in business.
>
> As I recall, Millenia has made the same offer for the last several
> releases.  It makes business sense, and they are after all in business.  No
> profit, no Legacy.
>
> just my ¢¢
>
> John S. Adams
> Hermosa Beach, CA
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Krisjan
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:16 AM
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!
> Ken,
>
>  You said:
>
>> Those who purchase in last 10 months have already paid for Legacy 7.0
>> Deluxe and really deserve to have it first.
>
>  My question is: What about the loyal customers who started way back with
>  Legacy version 2.0; also bought version 3.0 and version 4.0 and version 5.0
>  and purchased the download version of version 6? (By the way I have CD's of
>  each of these versions except v6.0, for which I have my customer number, to
>  prove my point). Are these people because they bought the new versions more
>  or less at the time that each was released not MORE important than Johnny
>  Come Latelies that only bought a copy within the last 10 months?
>
>  I must admit your explanation as to who really deserve to have the new
>  version first, makes no logic sense to me.
>
> Christiaan
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Re: [LegacyUG] V6 - Adding Correspondence to Legacy

2008-05-16 Thread Wendy Howard


Hi Steve,

"may be if I had been good and really got stuck into all of this when I 
bought Legacy a couple of years back I would not be in such a mess and 
only a few weeks till Version 7 is available to start and learn all over 
again."


If I were you, I would forget that there is such a thing as "version 7" 
for now, and just get on with using what you have.  You have enough in 
front of you without worrying about something that you don't have yet.  
And when you have been using your v6 for a while and getting the hang of 
it, I'm sure you will find that v7 is not so alien.  There will be a 
reduced price for purchasing an upgrade from v6 to v7, as there has been 
in the past, so you won't miss out when you're ready for it.  (This has 
already been mentioned by Millenia staff on this list)


It's a bit like accounting software (I'm a bookkeeper).  Every company 
thinks that they're special and unique, and no-one else works the way 
they do, so they absolutely *have* to employ staff who have used the 
accounting package they have before.  I've got news for them - all 
accounting packages do the same thing.  They record transactions and 
classify them.  Pretty much end-of-story.  If you've learned one and 
understand accounting principles, it doesn't take long to learn another.


Once you've learned one genealogy package, and understand the principles 
underlying it (which existed long before genealogy programs existed), it 
won't take you long to pick up a new one and run with it.  The bells and 
whistles might change, but recording your data in a sound manner won't.


I'm with the others who have said they won't be rushing into v7.  I'm 
happy with using v6 for now, and will wait for others to do the 
experimentation and complain that their favourite feature isn't working 
as they'd like it to.  I waited for v6 to settle down, too, and was not 
any-the-worse for it.  In fact, I was probably better for it, not being 
stressed by something that was beyond my control.


Take a deep breath, Steve and everyone else, and get on with the task in 
hand!  Your blood pressure will thank you for it.  :-)


Kind Regards,
Wendy Howard
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Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

2008-05-16 Thread Henry T. Peterson Jr.

All you had to do is send in your money like the others did over the 
last 10 months


Henry



Erik Pilgaard Vinther wrote:

I have NOT purchased my Legacy 6 within the last 10 months and are getting
my free copy of legacy 7 shipped this moment, and i have NOT gone to the NGS
conference in Kansas to purchase a new copy. In other words, I'm an "old"
and might I add faithful user of Legacy. How is this reworded by Millennia?
- by putting me at the bottom of the list of users to get the new release! I
really don't think this is fair, and I don't see why we have to wait. All it
takes is for Millennia to put the program on an ftp server and add a single
download link on their website.

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Re: [LegacyUG] How Do You Handle Two Sided Documents?



Hi Kris

Where are you scanning / saving your files to in Legacy?

Dick Schweiss





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[LegacyUG] Totally fair, Millennia

2008-05-16 Thread Janis Gilmore

Erik,

 

Its not an uber-devotion to Legacy that leads some of us to accept the
current release schedule. I have been on at least four programs. Maybe five.
I like Legacy, but I am not a blind devotee.

 

However, the fact that my husband and I have owned our own business for 23
years does influence me. There are always things that the general public
does not understand about what we do. We are not a public institution, not
federally funded. We turn a profit or we are out of business.

 

Millennium is no different. A lot of people might have decided not to buy
Legacy software until the new release. Legacy kept their cash flow going
by a good marketing move, offering the upgrade to those who bought after a
certain date.

 

Even as I type this I know I shouldnt waste my breath.  We all approach the
situation with our own bias. Mine is an empathy for the business owner, and
a conviction that I am better off if Legacy is turning higher profits.

 

(After this posting, I will return to a tolerant deletion of all messages
that are not pertinent to the usage of the software.)

 

Janis Walker Gilmore

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pilgaard Vinther
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 4:02 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: SV: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

 

Wauuu.. one has to be very careful not to raise any criticism towards
Millennia in this list, or risk being called names like cry baby and other
condescending names. It appears that the majority of the members of this
list are quite happy with legacy 6 and even older versions. Good for you  I
expect youll not be upgrading then. I, for one, dont submit to the common
psychosis that Legacy 6 is simply the best genealogy program on the marked,
and that Millennia is providing the program to the community solely out the
goodness of their harts (it may come as big surprise to some, but they are
in the game for a profit). 

 

Anyway, over the passed years I have been submitting a number of change
requests to Legacy, some of which constitutes a major problem to me, in my
daily use of the program. Even though no promises were given by Millennia,
it is my hope that some of these changes are incorporated into the new
release.  Thats why Im so eager to get the software.

 

Erik

 

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Sendt: 16. maj 2008 19:39
Til: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Emne: Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

 

I too have used Legacy for too many years to count. I've reached a point in
my software relationships that I am perfectly content to let LOTS of other
folks try out new releases before I put my money Down! LOL I just purchased
Version 6 last year! :-)

Alice-a satisfied customer since 2002

 

- Original Message - 

From: Mary Figgins   

To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 

Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 12:01 PM

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

 


I agree.  I've been a user of Legacy for many, many years also. Even though
I was able to attend the conference, I can wait a few weeks until my turn
comes.  

It's easy to say - All it takes is __ when you really don't know
what's involved for things to run smoothly.  Who gets the blame if there's a
problem with the rollout of the update?  It won't be the customer who
couldn't wait.  They will all blame the merchant.

It is my understand that they are NOT SHIPPING the software to new
customers.  The only place new customers can get it is at the NGS
conference.  That doesn't involve any webpages or computer anything else,
just an exchange of product and money.  They also can't get the download
version which is less expensive.

Mary Beth

--- On Fri, 5/16/08, Dermot McGlone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Dermot McGlone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Date: Friday, May 16, 2008, 9:29 AM

"THAT'S SO NOT FAIRI WANT IT AND I WANT IT NOW!!!"


  


  
  


  


  
I'm sorry for the block caps, and the tone of the above line, but this


  


  
is what these messages remind me of, a three year old child whining


  


  
because his favourite toy was taken away.  I'm just getting sick and


  


  
tired of all these messages looking for v7 NOW.  Will you all please


  


  
relax, chill out, take a chill pill, chillax, whatever, but have a


  


  
little patience.


  


  
  


  


  
Does it REALLY matter if you have the new software a few weeks after


  


  
the very first release of it?  If you answer yes, ask yourself "why


  


  
does it matter?" Is your
 life going to be so much worse because you


  


  
have to wait about 21-28 or so days (I'm guessing here, I don't have


  


  
any insights)?


  


  
  


  


  
Come on, a little perspective is needed here.  There are many of us


  


  
who have been users of Legacy for quite

Re: SV: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!


So have lots of us, and we're waiting and eager too. So be eager, and wait.
--
JL
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html

Erik Pilgaard Vinther wrote:

Anyway, over the passed years I have been submitting a number of change 
requests to Legacy, some of which constitutes a major problem to me, in 
my daily use of the program. Even though no promises were given by 
Millennia, it is my hope that some of these changes are incorporated 
into the new release. That’s why I’m so eager to get the software.









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Re: [LegacyUG] No more whining!

Merci.  Exactly what crossed my mind this morning.  About 50,000 people 
were killed in China the other day, or are still trapped and still 
dying.  A little perspective on what problems really are, people.

--
JL
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Marion McCall wrote:
You know, a few weeks from now, or a few months from now, it really 
won't matter if you got the new version of the program now or later. 
It is a program, merely a program. It will enable you to manage the 
data you already have and present it differently or better. That is all.


Think of what people in China or Myanmar are coping with. You still 
have a roof over your head and you still have food. You still have 
your family and friends. You can even think about genealogy which for 
many people in the world is a luxury.


Millennia is a great company with a great product. If they have to 
take a little longer, I am sure it is needed.


Please be patient.

Thanks - a customer quite willing to wait.

Marion

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[LegacyUG] Millennia!

2008-05-16 Thread Lucy Shore


Hi folks

And here's from another oldtimer -- first off, I switched to Legacy many 
years ago -- I think way back at Legacy 2 -- before they had a 'free' 
edition and a 'Deluxe' edition. I didn't complain about paying the price for 
the full edition -- it was still one of the more reasonable prices around 
for a REALLY good program. I have never wanted to switch to anything else --  
I have always found Legacy to be a top performer. Where else can you get 
regular updates -- free of charge?


Having said that, I suspect that Millenia 'jumped the gun' when they 
announced V. 7 and even had previews of it. While this was an excellent 
marketing stragey (create a demand for the product) I suspect they did not 
realize that the actual true launch of the product would take so long. And 
they DID create the demand while there was an inability to satisfy the 
demand immediately.


As I see it, Millenia is in a quandary as a result of this early 
announcement -- expectations have been raised as a result of these 
annoucnements -- and I suspect flaws were found in the product, and I 
applaud Millenia for wanting to ensure a quality of product before it hits 
the market.


Please understand that I  do not criticise anyone -- I'm just trying to be 
realistic. I think John Adams' explanation of the reason for recent 
purchasers of V. 6 very reasonable and fit right in with my theory. And I 
applaud Millenia staff people for trying to respond to all the complaints...


And that's my 2 cents

Mostly a lurker

Lucy 





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Re: [LegacyUG] [PM] v6 to v7

I believe whatever is in your database in v.6 will be in your database 
in v.7.  It wouldn't make any sense otherwise.  It's the program version 
that's changing, not the contents in your database.

--
JL
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John Gregson wrote:
I am waiting for version 7, but I thought that I would install v6 on 
on my Vista computer.
This would give me an opportunity to get a feel for the software, also 
I would begin entering my

contacts into the PM address book.
Will the v7 upgrade, when it comes, import the contacts from v6?
 
Also, not certain of the proper protocol to use in the subject Line.
 
John Gregson
 
Dawson Creek, BC, Canada
 


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RE: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

2008-05-16 Thread M. Brenzel

Ken,

I am also a long time user of Legacy, longer than some but shorter than
others.  I for one am being patient.  My research and recording of such can
continue along just nicely with version 6.  Sure, I'm anxious like everyone
else but I trust that Millennia knows what they are doing and can continue
to wait as long as necessary.  I'd rather have you do it all right (the
distribution of both Standard and Deluxe editions, the website, online
store, etc.) than listen to everyone gripe that their online order didn't go
through or downloading didn't work right because you rushed it.  I am a
software quality assurance analyst and there is nothing worse than a
customer rushing a release before all of the pieces are in place and
thoroughly tested.  Please everyone, let's just let them continue with their
plan.

Mary
 
Such a wise man...
 "A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong
enough to take everything you have."
 "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience
to remain silent."
 "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and
bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in
government."
- Thomas Jefferson


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken
McGinnis
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 9:01 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!

> All it takes is for Millennia to put the program on an ftp
> server and add a single download link on their website.

That's true if all we were placing up there was the Standard Edition but
what 
fun would that be if you couldn't play with all the cool new Deluxe Edition 
features.   Also, we would kind of like to sell the Deluxe Edition and make
it 
available at the same time as the Standard Edition and we have a bunch of
work 
to re-vamp our website, redo our online store, finish up the training
videos, 
get CDs, work on press releases, compile mailing list to send out the 
announcements (so it's fair) and work on our ordering system to support the
new 
products, customer numbers, email lists, etc.

Those who purchase in last 10 months have already paid for Legacy 7.0 Deluxe
and 
really deserve to have it first.   We want to get Legacy ready and available
to 
everyone just as much as you want it.   I have just put in about 20 hours of

work and am headed to bed for a couple hours before I get up and do another
20 
hour day.   We are working hard to get it out to all of you.

Please, it's coming.   We ask for just a little more patience and
understanding.

Thanks

Ken McGinnis
Millennia Corporation
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[LegacyUG] Re: Not fair Millennia! ENOUGH !!!!!

2008-05-16 Thread Scrapcat2

Let's drop this subject and move on to more positive thoughts. 
 
Is there a way to receive a digest version of messages on a daily rather  
than an individual message basis?
 
Thanks,
Carol



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