date:20080912

Fellow Listers,
 
I have been on the sidelines reading the banter concerning v.7 and am quite 
miffed with all the bashing. I also realize that the product should not have 
been released from Beta without more QC... that said.
 
SourceWriter, reporting tools and the new charting application will prove to 
drive the industry and once adopted by end-users/genealogists bug free will 
no doubt be an asset to their repertoire of tools not imagined some five years 
ago.
 
In the use of new software/technology, one must realize that being the first to 
adopt they will likely be second wave Beta testers. The user whose data is 
mission critical should at least sit out the first few releases if generating 
reports or building your cited sources list is mission critical. Obviously the 
entering and capturing of data is not an issue with current bugs. It appears 
that the issue is the rush to be first adopters of the new enhancements to this 
viable software package.
 
Not to single out Ruth... she is one who should have waited out the storm. I 
have received some 200+ emails alone from her this past month and not one of 
them has helped me as a USER other than confirming what I stated above. Ruth is 
a prime candidate to have continued using v.6 until user confidence was met in 
a useable end product. Her emails and feedback to the list are my evidence.
 
The new enhancements, once the kinks are worked out, will make this product 
stand out against rival packages as the industry leader.
 
In conclusion, I believe this forum is not the place to shed your tears but 
rather share your experiences with other users. The vehicle to enhance the 
speed of bug fixes should be directed to the appropriate email and the Legacy 
support team. That said we will then be aware of issues and not pummeled with 
all this gibberish.
 
Finally, the Legacy support team in their rush to market v.7 owe it to their 
customers to take the lead on informing them, instead of just reacting to the 
heat from this list of obviously dedicated customers. A simple list at the 
homepage of known bugs being addressed would suffice. It is obvious that they 
will be fixed and the timeframe is not the issue but rather that bugs are 
fixed... period.
 
Speaking of miffed, I am totally taken back by one of the leaders of Legacy's 
organization having his email used as a spam vehicle to this list. I don't need 
a stinking Watch... I need a software package that delivers as advertised.
 
Legacy team what is the status of bug reporting and timeframe for an updated 
release... you owe your customers this information... I'm out!!!
 
 
Sincerely,
 
Michael A. Palmieri
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[LegacyUG] Re: [LegacyUG] Export of Individuals marked as Invisible Bug

2008-09-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ron,Basically if you edit
an individual's privacy settings and set him to invisible, he should not
appear on any exports or web pages, nor should his descendents. This is
what invisible is supposed to do.I have I
have done a number of experiments to see if there is anything related to
invisible that works at all. I have found no work around, nor any
indication that the function works in certain circumstances. An
invisible person is always exported as are living individuals if you set
 exclude living people totally (as if they don't
existI am using the latest 70055
build and it could be that if it half worked in a previous version, they
took it out completely in 70055.Regards,John-Original Message-Date: Fri, 12
Sep 2008 11:30:35 +0200Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Export of
Individuals marked as Invisible BugFrom: ronald
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legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.comJohn,I know of a couple of problems with this function, and have
found a work around for one of them, but would you please explain what
you problem is in detail.Ron Ferguson_*New* Insert Pictures Into your Web Pages - Blogshttp://www.fergys.co.ukView the Grimshaw Family Tree at:http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/For The Fergusons of N.W.
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Individuals marked as Invisible BugFrom:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Hi,I
consider the addition of the setting individuals to
invisible feature in Legacy 7 to be absolutely the thing
that I need to sanitize my tree before exporting. Private or Living is
not sufficient since the existence people needs to be hidden.
Unfortunate therefore that this feature does not work.It is now some time since you acknowledged the bug. When can we expect
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Re: [LegacyUG] Bugs, Bugs and rush to be first.

2008-09-12 Thread Bob


Michael A. Palmieri wrote:
The user whose data is mission critical should at least sit out the 
first few releases if generating reports or building your cited 
sources list is mission critical.
The folks at Millennia assured us repeatedly that we were sitting out 
the better part of a year's worth of delays while they worked to ensure 
that version 7 was fully tested and functional when it eventually would 
be released.  A lot of people believed them and that is why they didn't 
sit out the first few releases.


  Ruth is a prime candidate to have continued using v.6 until user 
confidence was met in a useable end product.
OK, so that would have saved Ruth a ton of grief.  But what about all 
the other people who would be suffering with an unusable product?  Do 
they not matter?  Confidence in the product is supposed to come during 
testing, not after the sale of the product to the public who, even after 
all these months, are still not able to use it as advertised.



  The new enhancements, once the kinks are worked out...
Don't hold your breath.  There are still kinks from version 6 and 
version 5 that have never been worked out.


  Finally, the Legacy support team in their rush to market v.7 owe it 
to their customers to take the lead on informing them...
Yes, but these are the same people who told us that Legacy 7 would be 
fully tested and functional when released.  Information coming from them 
now has a serious lack of credibility.


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RE: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff

Wont do much good unless you know how to include the original headers when
you forward it. Most spammers are off-shore anyway and there's not much the
US Government can do about it - and if it's received in another country,
they're not going to do anything unless the spam is originating in the US.

Most headers are faked so they lead to dead ends.

Lets all just ignore these things for now and get back to Legacy.

Thanks for using Legacy.

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Perhaps forward them on to the U.S. Government site. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
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RE: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff

Nope - we got them too.  Jim's going to look into it to see what he can
do.  I'd sure hate to have to block Geoff's email!

Thanks for using Legacy.

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-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Melody B
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 3:56 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff

Do you folks (at Legacy) need any other samples? I expect not, but on
the off chance that more samples would help you track down where they
are coming from...

Great product!

Take care,
Melody
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Re: [LegacyUG] Index

2008-09-12 Thread Brian/Support


Ruth,

The problem you reported has been tested and is confirmed. A report has 
been recorded in our problem tracking system so this can be fixed. Thank 
you for helping us make Legacy a better program for everyone.


The problem report was entered yesterday and is now marked as resolved 
by the programmer.


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Ruth Nerud wrote:
If I check the box Include Alternate Names on the Index Options for a 
book report, shouldn't the alternate name print in the index? My mother 
is Domenica De Marco, alternate name Margaret De Marco - but only 
Domenica De Marco prints in the index. Another bug?


Ruth A. (Sconza Testa) Nerud
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RE: [LegacyUG] Bugs, Bugs and rush to be first.

Bob,
 
If you heeded the advice of my previous post you wouldn't be in any position to 
have any problems.
 
When you say they told you... who is they? Did you really speak to anyone.
 
Finally, what did your post value add for an end-user... think about it (more 
gibberish)!
 
 
Michael A. Palmieri



 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:46:51 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 
 LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Bugs, Bugs and 
 rush to be first.  Michael A. Palmieri wrote:  The user whose data is 
 mission critical should at least sit out the   first few releases if 
 generating reports or building your cited   sources list is mission 
 critical. The folks at Millennia assured us repeatedly that we were sitting 
 out  the better part of a year's worth of delays while they worked to ensure 
  that version 7 was fully tested and functional when it eventually would  
 be released. A lot of people believed them and that is why they didn't  sit 
 out the first few releases.   Ruth is a prime candidate to have continued 
 using v.6 until user   confidence was met in a useable end product. OK, so 
 that would have saved Ruth a ton of grief. But what about all  the other 
 people who would be suffering with an unusable product? Do  they not matter? 
 Confidence in the product is supposed to come during  testing, not after the 
 sale of the product to the public who, even after  all these months, are 
 still not able to use it as advertised.   The new enhancements, once the 
 kinks are worked out... Don't hold your breath. There are still kinks from 
 version 6 and  version 5 that have never been worked out.   Finally, the 
 Legacy support team in their rush to market v.7 owe it   to their customers 
 to take the lead on informing them... Yes, but these are the same people who 
 told us that Legacy 7 would be  fully tested and functional when released. 
 Information coming from them  now has a serious lack of credibility.  Bob 
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RE: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff

Sherry,
 
Block it until you can fix it... spare us please!
 
 
Michael A. Palmieri



 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: 
 RE: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:31:04 
 -0700  Nope - we got them too. Jim's going to look into it to see what 
 he can do. I'd sure hate to have to block Geoff's email!  Thanks for using 
 Legacy.  Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL 
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 September 12, 2008 3:56 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff  Do you folks (at Legacy) 
 need any other samples? I expect not, but on the off chance that more 
 samples would help you track down where they are coming from...  Great 
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RE: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff

Sherry,
 
To ignore something you assume we have control. It is your organization that 
has control of the issue and the barking from fellow listers should let you 
know we do not want you to ignore it.
 
Block the address (your statement tells us you can) until you can fix it. We do 
not need a tutorial on spamming... this is a user group of your product... 
let's keep that the topic and perhaps we will get back to the core purpose of 
this list.
 
Michael A. Palmieri



 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: 
 RE: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:31:04 
 -0700  Won’t do much good unless you know how to include the original 
 headers when you forward it. Most spammers are off-shore anyway and there's 
 not much the US Government can do about it - and if it's received in another 
 country, they're not going to do anything unless the spam is originating in 
 the US.  Most headers are faked so they lead to dead ends.  Let’s all 
 just ignore these things for now and get back to Legacy.  Thanks for using 
 Legacy.  Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL 
 PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com  We are changing the world of 
 genealogy!  When replying to this message, please include all previous 
 correspondence. Thanks.   Original Message-  From: 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Bugs, Bugs and rush to be first.

2008-09-12 Thread Kathy Shiell-Stokes

It is nearly impossible to anticipate  all the possible permutations 
of hardware and software conflicts that can result. Perhaps we should 
all take comfort in the idea that, at the end of the day, everyone 
who has spotted a bug or imperfection  has contributed significantly 
to the improvement of an already great product...not perfect maybe 
...but that's on the suggested improvements list thanks to everyone's 
involvement.

Kathy
At 10:46 AM 9/12/2008, you wrote:

Michael A. Palmieri wrote:
The user whose data is mission critical should at least sit out the 
first few releases if generating reports or building your cited 
sources list is mission critical.
The folks at Millennia assured us repeatedly that we were sitting 
out the better part of a year's worth of delays while they worked to 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Index

2008-09-12 Thread Mike Fry


Michael A. Palmieri wrote:

Brian,
 
When can we expect to reap the rewards of such bug fixes? Until then it 
is further rhetoric.


On past performance with version 6, updates were released about every 3 
months. As the last update to version 7 came in July, I wouldn't expect 
a further fix until October.


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Re: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff

2008-09-12 Thread Art Seddon

Sherry,

I might suggest that you ask Geoff to get another e:mail address and 
unsubscribe his current address and resubscribe with the new one. He 
wouldn't have to abandon the old one except for Legacy, but if someone is 
spoofing his old one he would probably be wise to make the change complete.

Art Seddon

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From: Sherry/Support
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 8:31 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff


Nope - we got them too.  Jim's going to look into it to see what he can
do.  I'd sure hate to have to block Geoff's email!

Thanks for using Legacy.

Sherry
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Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 3:56 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff

Do you folks (at Legacy) need any other samples? I expect not, but on
the off chance that more samples would help you track down where they
are coming from...

Great product!

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[LegacyUG] Legacy freezing and fake message

2008-09-12 Thread Syble Glasscock


I just wanted to say that I too have had a little problem with Legacy 7 
freezing, probably about 3 times, all of a sudden, nothing works and it just 
shuts down on its own.  It has happen about 3 or 4 times.  I never had this 
problem with v. 5 or v. 6.
 
Also, I too receive a fake message from geoff, but I recognized something was 
not right, so I d







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RE: [LegacyUG] I now have done the RTF the right way and

The issue is that everyone's computer setups are different and everyone uses
Legacy differently. I've had people report errors to me that I've never seen
and it took several emails and pinpointing to *one* minor difference between
options where I was able to duplicate a problem.  There are probably over
150 testers and translators who may *never* use that one option combination
that someone else did.

The programmers have been hard at work fixing bugs that have been reported
since the release. Many of them are ones that were never spotted before.  I
think you all will be happy with the next update.

Thanks for using Legacy.

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-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] I now have done the RTF the right way and

You can have all the beta testers you want... 
but if the programers and management don't listen to them... 
you wind up with a FTM 2008 or a Legacy 7.
 
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RE: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff

2008-09-12 Thread Ron Bernier

My spam filter apparently is working great.  I haven't received any of these 
spam messages.



Regards,
Ron Bernier
Woonsocket, RI


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Sherry,

Block it until you can fix it... spare us please!


Michael A. Palmieri







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 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:31:04 -0700

 Nope - we got them too. Jim's going to look into it to see what he can
 do. I'd sure hate to have to block Geoff's email!

 Thanks for using Legacy.

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[LegacyUG] Legacy freezing and fake message

2008-09-12 Thread Syble Glasscock



I just wanted to say that I too have had a little problem with Legacy 7 
freezing, , all of a sudden,  it just shuts down on its own.  It has happen 
about 3 or 4 times.  I never had this problem with v. 5 or v. 6.
 
Also, I too receive a fake message from geoff, but I recognized something was 
not right, so I deleted without opening it.  I now have one from Jimquist 
shows: [Legacy UG] T4q H3uer repl1c etc., so I'm deleting it also.
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] another bug

2008-09-12 Thread Gary Templeman

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Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 4:43 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] another bug

Gary Templeman wrote:

Ruth,

Did you check out any of the solutions I posted yesterday? The entire 
series of messages on this topic today seems to indicate *no one* has 
considered what I posted as viable options.  I listed three PDF 
converters and you can Google for more. Personally, if I had a one-off 
project that I was trying to get done fast I would begin with downloading 
the fully functional trial version of Able2Doc 4.0 available at 
http://www.investintech.com:80/prod_a2d.htm

Gary,

I have the full version of Adobe and I created a Descendant PDF report of 
20 pages.  I opened it in Adobe and saved as an RTF file.  While all the 
information carried over, the amount of work required to format it 
CORRECTLY was daunting, to say the least.  I also tried sending the 
preview from Legacy directly to a text file through a generic/text 
printer.  The output was still not consistent with the display. I believe 
that waiting for the fix is the best solution.

--
Gene Y.
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Legacy Family Tree
http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/

That would be true if she knew a fix would be released *before* her 
deadline. And, she has stated that even if the report otherwise came out 
correctly there are other formatting changes she likes to make. When there 
is a time crunch, waiting for an uncertain patch is probably not the best 
policy. She has a few choices.

1. Export a GEDCOM and generate the report with Legacy 6 (which could have 
been done some time ago).

2. In a message on September 9 she said I'm here - plugging away correcting 
my Word document. I save the .rtf as a .doc because I think it opens faster. 
I hope that's not one of my problems. I've looked at the .rtf and it doesn't 
look any different than the .doc, but the .doc opens faster. One thing I 
feel bad about is I'm having to delete some source numbers that don't 
correspond to any source citations. I know I'm losing some good source 
information. But I'm on Chapter 6 of 17 of the first (paternal) book so it's 
coming. I think there's 20 chapters in the second (maternal side) book.

Since she has apparently already been editing the Legacy RTF file, and since 
the PDF output contains *fewer* flaws, she could take the PDF output and 
convert it, then be able to swap out the remaining unedited pages with the 
better quality versions. That would significantly reduce the amount of 
editing to do.

3. Choose a different method of distribution

Gary Templeman 

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RE: [LegacyUG] Re: [LegacyUG] Export of Individuals marked as Invisible Bug

2008-09-12 Thread ronald ferguson


John,

I haven't looked for a while, but you are correct in saying that it does not 
work in web pages. However I recently noticed (this week) that two relatives 
were missing from a Descendant Book Report and this was because some time ago 
when I was really looking at the invisible function, I made them invisible 
and forget to bring them back!

So at least it is working in that report.


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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:25:33 +0200
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Re: [LegacyUG] Export of Individuals marked as Invisible 
Bug
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Ron,


Basically if you edit an individual's privacy settings and set him to 
invisible, he should not appear on any exports or web pages, nor should his 
descendents. This is what invisible is supposed to do.


I have I have done a number of experiments to see if there is anything related 
to invisible that works at all. I have found no work around, nor any indication 
that the function works in certain circumstances. An invisible person is always 
exported as are living individuals if you set  exclude living people totally 
(as if they don't exist


I am using the latest 70055 build and it could be that if it half worked in a 
previous version, they took it out completely in 70055.


Regards,


John



-Original Message-
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:30:35 +0200
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Export of Individuals marked as Invisible Bug
From: ronald ferguson 
To: 


John,

I know of a couple of problems with this function, and have found a work around 
for one of them, but would you please explain what you problem is in detail.


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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:40:46 +0200
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Export of Individuals marked as Invisible Bug
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Hi,


I consider the addition of the setting individuals to invisible feature in 
Legacy 7 to be absolutely the thing that I need to sanitize my tree before 
exporting. Private or Living is not sufficient since the existence people needs 
to be hidden. Unfortunate therefore that this feature does not work.


It is now some time since you acknowledged the bug. When can we expect a fix??


Regards,


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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy freezing.

If you send these problems to us at [EMAIL PROTECTED], well work
with you to help solve them.  There's no need to wait for someone else to
post a similar problem.

Make sure you include:

the build of Legacy you're using (Legacy Home tab)

which version of Windows you have

what you're doing at the time the error occurs (exactly where are you and
what are you doing?)

what error message/number you're getting - we need the full message.


Unfortunately we can't help you with the vague information you gave on the
list and something like this should be handled off-list anyway.

Thanks for using Legacy.

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We are changing the world of genealogy!

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Original Message-

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
onthepathingrace-genealogy
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:02 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy freezing.

Hello.  I'm a frequent lurker but Nancy's post brings me out of hiding. 
Legacy 7 has been freezing with Individual's screens going blank just as
Nancy describes. I've been waiting for a post like hers.  It didn't seem
possible that the data blindness problem was mine alone. Screens going blank
with data disappearing does seems random but possibly does correlate with
individuals with source document images attached to events. So far, closing
and reopening Legacy means all my data up to my last save will reappear
again .  

Worse yet  - Version 7 quits/closes on me at random causing me to lose
data!  Sometimes I get a error message before self-closing but usually not.
This has cost me hours of data input and much heartbreak.  I wish Legacy had
a background auto-save feature built in!!  This problem has been more
frequent than the data blindness problem for me.  Both seem to increase in
frequency as I add individuals to my database.  

Despite Legacy 7's problems, it is still my genealogy program of choice
having tried most. It is feature rich and more than needed at my level of
genealogy experience. I've loads of experience with software and computer's
but little with genealogy.  Because I'm a software junkie I invested a few
years trying Family Tree, Legends Family Tree, PAF, RootsMagic, The Master
Genealogist and a couple others.  PAF and Family Tree are limiting and quick
to outgrow, Legends wasn't bad but soon became unsupported then ultimately
defunct.   The Master Genealogist is inclusive but not intuitive. I want to
invest time learning about genealogy and my family not how to use a program.
  I used RootsMagic for a year and like it very much.   While using RM, I
read pre-release news of Legacy 7 so bought the upgradeable Version 6
package and began using it along side RootsMagic. Early on, Legacy won my
respect but I was still waiting for Version 7.  Version 6 was very good but
Version 7 is easilly the most intuitive, inclusive, feature filled and
visually appealing program of all those tested. While most programs have
some good aspects - Legacy simply offers more.  I'm a long range planner and
can't see ever outgrowing Legacy. 

I certainly digressed above and took to commenting on the Legacy Bug thread
as well as concurring with Nancy's issue.  Sorry about that.  Just wanted to
speak up and say she is not alone.

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[LegacyUG] Status of bugs

2008-09-12 Thread Geoff Rasmussen

Dave wanted me to pass along that an update will be coming soon - likely
next week. It will address lots and lots of concerns. He/Ken have been
having a major bug-busting fest. Thank you for your patience. Just a few
more days

Thanks,

Geoff Rasmussen
Millennia Corporation
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[LegacyUG] Is this possible?

2008-09-12 Thread Michele Lewis

Is it possible to tag every instance of when a particular source was used, 
delete those sources, then assign a new source to all of those places?


michele 





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Spam (was RE: [LegacyUG] Bugs, Bugs and rush to be first.)

Michael,

Most likely someone's computer was hijacked by a Trojan or worm and Geoff's
email address was plucked out of the address book and used for the return
address.

We all keep our computers clean and are careful about the attachments we
open.  Geoff's computer wasn't involved at all as seen by looking at the
headers of the spam.

We're working on it.  We certainly don't want anyone to report this as spam
to their ISP because *OUR* domain will be blocked and we won't be able to
get our responses, LUG messages, order confirmations, etc to you all!

Thanks for using Legacy.

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Original Message-

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael A.
Palmieri
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 5:44 AM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Bugs, Bugs and rush to be first.

snip
 
Speaking of miffed, I am totally taken back by one of the leaders of
Legacy's organization having his email used as a spam vehicle to this list.
I don't need a stinking Watch... I need a software package that delivers as
advertised.
 
 
Sincerely,
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff

2008-09-12 Thread Gene Young


Michael A. Palmieri wrote:

Sherry,
 
To ignore something you assume we have control. It is your organization 
that has control of the issue and the barking from fellow listers should 
let you know we do not want you to ignore it.
 
Block the address (your statement tells us you can) until you can fix 
it. 


She can not block it from the list.  She was talking of blocking it from her 
mail program.
Your post added nothing of value to the list.  Perhaps you should heed your own 
advice.

We do not need a tutorial on spamming... this is a user group of
your product... let's keep that the topic and perhaps we will get back 
to the core purpose of this list.
 
Michael A. Palmieri



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Re: [LegacyUG] Status of bugs

2008-09-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Thanks Goeff

That's very helpful to know.  As I have previously written, I still think 
Legacy is the best genealogy software out there, even with the v7 bugs. 
Knowing an update is near is helpful.


Jeff

Geoff Rasmussen wrote:

Dave wanted me to pass along that an update will be coming soon -
likely next week. It will address lots and lots of concerns. He/Ken
have been having a major bug-busting fest. Thank you for your
patience. Just a few more days

Thanks,

Geoff Rasmussen
Millennia Corporation
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www.LegacyFamilyTree.com






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RE: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff

2008-09-12 Thread Kirsten Bowman

Nor have I.  None in my spam folder and none in my ISP's spam folder.  Is it
luck, or is it a matter of filters and settings?

Kirsten

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Bernier
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:26 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff


My spam filter apparently is working great.  I haven't received any of these
spam messages.



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[LegacyUG] Software Testing

2008-09-12 Thread Ward Walker


While sympathetic to the users impacted by the report output bugs, I am
distressed by all the hostility directed towards Millennia and even towards
fellow listers. Software development, including software testing, is not an
exact science. (It comes close only in certain life-critical military
applications, where incredible resources are devoted to avoiding bugs.)

I worked as a software tester and test manager for many years. It is
impossible to create and execute test cases for every function with every
combination of input conditions. So, you prioritize and do your best, and
you work with the developers to ensure that they are also following best
practices such as code reviews and unit testing. Since manual testing is so
expensive, many companies have developed suites of automated tests that can
be run, not only after major updates, but even after minor bug fixes. Still,
the automated test cases and test tools require an up-front investment. It
can take a small company years to evolve a good suite of automated test
cases and then to keep them up with all the changes and enhancements.

Manual or automated, the first priority for a product like Legacy is
probably to ensure that no data gets corrupted during data
entry/merge/repair. Avoiding crashes would also be very high. Where I have
worked, a higher priority was placed on ensuring that existing functions are
not broken than on ensuring that new features are perfect. It is possible
that the test team had test cases for direct report output, and perhaps for
output of simple reports to file formats such as RTF. It would appear that
they had insufficient test cases for output of more complex reports to RTF,
or chose not to re-execute them. By 'complex', I mean with various scenarios
for sources, footnotes, database size, formatting options, etc., etc.

The company management is responsible for funding an adequate test team (or
test 'effort', if it is being done by the developers), and for giving them
enough time to complete testing after most development is frozen. The senior
management cannot micro-manage the testers, but it can audit test coverage
analysis and bug open/close rates. There are constant financial and
technical trade-offs. Mistakes will be made and now and then a fairly
serious bug will 'escape' testing. Sometimes a bug is introduced at the last
minute by a fix to a different bug. Hopefully Millennia has learned a lot
from the V7 experience, as the business grows and as the product grows in
complexity.

We have seen a lot of good things from this company, including great
responsiveness to customer feedback over the years. Let's concentrate on
objective, detailed, and unemotional reporting of bugs and give Millennia a
chance to recover and to regain our trust.

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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy freezing.

Sherry,

Good stuff... just what we all needed to know to enhance v.7.

Michael A. Palmieri

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject:
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy freezing. Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:23:43 -0700 If
you send these problems to us at [EMAIL PROTECTED], we’ll work with you to
help solve them. There's no need to wait for someone else to post a similar
problem. Make sure you include: the build of Legacy you're using
(Legacy Home tab) which version of Windows you have what you're doing
at the time the error occurs (exactly where are you and what are you
doing?) what error message/number you're getting - we need the full
message. Unfortunately we can't help you with the vague information you
gave on the list and something like this should be handled off-list anyway.
Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia
Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are
changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please
include all previous correspondence. Thanks. Original
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of onthepathingrace-genealogy Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008
5:02 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG]
Legacy freezing. Hello. I'm a frequent lurker but Nancy's post brings me
out of hiding. Legacy 7 has been freezing with Individual's screens going
blank just as Nancy describes. I've been waiting for a post like hers. It
didn't seem possible that the data blindness problem was mine alone. Screens
going blank with data disappearing does seems random but possibly does
correlate with individuals with source document images attached to events.
So far, closing and reopening Legacy means all my data up to my last save
will reappear again .Worse yet - Version 7 quits/closes on me at
random causing me to lose data! Sometimes I get a error message before
self-closing but usually not. This has cost me hours of data input and much
heartbreak. I wish Legacy had a background auto-save feature built in!!
This problem has been more frequent than the data blindness problem for me.
Both seem to increase in frequency as I add individuals to my database.
Despite Legacy 7's problems, it is still my genealogy program of choice
having tried most. It is feature rich and more than needed at my level of
genealogy experience. I've loads of experience with software and computer's
but little with genealogy. Because I'm a software junkie I invested a few
years trying Family Tree, Legends Family Tree, PAF, RootsMagic, The Master
Genealogist and a couple others. PAF and Family Tree are limiting and quick
to outgrow, Legends wasn't bad but soon became unsupported then ultimately
defunct. The Master Genealogist is inclusive but not intuitive. I want to
invest time learning about genealogy and my family not how to use a program.
I used RootsMagic for a year and like it very much. While using RM, I
read pre-release news of Legacy 7 so bought the upgradeable Version 6
package and began using it along side RootsMagic. Early on, Legacy won my
respect but I was still waiting for Version 7. Version 6 was very good but
Version 7 is easilly the most intuitive, inclusive, feature filled and
visually appealing program of all those tested. While most programs have
some good aspects - Legacy simply offers more. I'm a long range planner and
can't see ever outgrowing Legacy. I certainly digressed above and took to
commenting on the Legacy Bug thread as well as concurring with Nancy's
issue. Sorry about that. Just wanted to speak up and say she is not
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Re: [LegacyUG] Is this possible?

2008-09-12 Thread mjmethod

To my knowledge, No.

Issue: Have you used Source Detail with the specific records? If so, they would 
also be lost. That may be OK, depending on what you are trying to do.

If you want to actually delete the original source from the database, you could 
simply edit it and transform it into the new source, thus assigning the new 
source to all of those places.

If you need to continue the use of the original source, you could a) make a 
minor change to the title of the original source, then save it as a new source, 
then b) edit the original source to transform it (as suggested above), then c) 
re-edit the source you saved in a) to restore it as you wish.

Mike Method

researching Method, Feehely, Fredrick, Herzog, TenEyck, Belsley


In a message dated 09/12/08 14:00:12 Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
Is it possible to tag every instance of when a particular source was used, 
delete those sources, then assign a new source to all of those places? 

michele

Re: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff

2008-09-12 Thread Kris


We do not need a tutorial on spamming... this is a user group of
your product... let's keep that the topic and perhaps we will get back 
to the core purpose of this list.
 
Michael A. Palmieri


Actually, it would appear that you do, since you don't seem to 
understand the dynamic involved.






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Re: [LegacyUG] Software Testing

2008-09-12 Thread Hugh Busey

Ward,

Well said - I concur completely. From over 40 years as a medical instrument
developer I find your words accurate and on-target.  Some of the criticism
of
Millenia has been unfair and misdirected.  The accusers only need to be
taken through the verification and validation testing cycle once to realize
how
incredibly complex software testing can be.

As a software product matures, more features are invariably added.  More
features equate to many more variables.  Similarly in this case, Legacy has
been written the program with an extreme amount of flexibility which we all
enjoy.  Flexibility *multiplies* the number of variables once again.
Flexible and
complex outputs of flexible and complex software is a nightmare to fully
test.

I'd suggest that we all cool our jets and give this highly responsive
company a
chance to address our complaints and make appropriate corrections. I dare
say
they will never be able to satisfy every complaint or wish list they receive
but
I bet they'll try!

I own three and tried a fourth genealogy package and this is the best one
for me.

Thanks, Millenia!

Hugh W. Busey
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On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Ward Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 While sympathetic to the users impacted by the report output bugs, I am
 distressed by all the hostility directed towards Millennia and even towards
 fellow listers. Software development, including software testing, is not an
 exact science. (It comes close only in certain life-critical military
 applications, where incredible resources are devoted to avoiding bugs.)

 I worked as a software tester and test manager for many years. It is
 impossible to create and execute test cases for every function with every
 combination of input conditions. So, you prioritize and do your best, and
 you work with the developers to ensure that they are also following best
 practices such as code reviews and unit testing. Since manual testing is so
 expensive, many companies have developed suites of automated tests that can
 be run, not only after major updates, but even after minor bug fixes.
 Still,
 the automated test cases and test tools require an up-front investment. It
 can take a small company years to evolve a good suite of automated test
 cases and then to keep them up with all the changes and enhancements.

 Manual or automated, the first priority for a product like Legacy is
 probably to ensure that no data gets corrupted during data
 entry/merge/repair. Avoiding crashes would also be very high. Where I have
 worked, a higher priority was placed on ensuring that existing functions
 are
 not broken than on ensuring that new features are perfect. It is possible
 that the test team had test cases for direct report output, and perhaps for
 output of simple reports to file formats such as RTF. It would appear that
 they had insufficient test cases for output of more complex reports to RTF,
 or chose not to re-execute them. By 'complex', I mean with various
 scenarios
 for sources, footnotes, database size, formatting options, etc., etc.

 The company management is responsible for funding an adequate test team (or
 test 'effort', if it is being done by the developers), and for giving them
 enough time to complete testing after most development is frozen. The
 senior
 management cannot micro-manage the testers, but it can audit test coverage
 analysis and bug open/close rates. There are constant financial and
 technical trade-offs. Mistakes will be made and now and then a fairly
 serious bug will 'escape' testing. Sometimes a bug is introduced at the
 last
 minute by a fix to a different bug. Hopefully Millennia has learned a lot
 from the V7 experience, as the business grows and as the product grows in
 complexity.

 We have seen a lot of good things from this company, including great
 responsiveness to customer feedback over the years. Let's concentrate on
 objective, detailed, and unemotional reporting of bugs and give Millennia a
 chance to recover and to regain our trust.

  Ward




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Re: [LegacyUG] V7 Individual Information screen Event display

2008-09-12 Thread Christina

Thank you all for you response, but to move the line over does move
the date off, the next time you open up that file, it is back again. I
was looking at a permanent way to set it off.

Rich,
I did edit the event, which doesn't show then when you are adding an
event, but on the event screen it still shows the date field.

It is not a big deal, I just don't need the date of each or lack of
date when I am looking at that screen. Just a personal preference.


-- 
- Christina Hruška
 --And the Dragon Grins...


On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 2:46 AM, Jenny M Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Christina wrote:
 On the Individual Information Screen you have a box listed as
 Event/Facts
 First Column has Event/Fact,  the second column shows Date next is
 Description

 Is there a way to not have the Date column there?

 Probably not, but if you position your cursor over the join between the
 Date and Description columns you can hold the left button down and slide
 to the left so that the Date column is reduced in size.  If you slide far
 enough, the Date column will be invisible, but you can still restore it by
 performing the opposite movement with the cursor.

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Re: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff

2008-09-12 Thread Kris

Some ISPs do a pretty good job of blocking stuff like that.  After 
reading Ron's message, I found them.  GMail did a pretty good job of 
snagging them.  Unfortunately, I also found quite a few other messages 
from the LUG in there, too -- legitimate ones.  :-)


Kirsten Bowman wrote:

Nor have I.  None in my spam folder and none in my ISP's spam folder.  Is it
luck, or is it a matter of filters and settings?

Kirsten

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ron
Bernier
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:26 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff


My spam filter apparently is working great.  I haven't received any of these
spam messages.



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Re: [LegacyUG] V7 Individual Information screen Event display

I agree. I only install if the date is meaningful in the person's life, but not 
my typing date.
Rich in LA CA

--- On Fri, 9/12/08, Christina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Christina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7 Individual Information screen Event display
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 1:08 PM
 Thank you all for you response, but to move the line over
 does move
 the date off, the next time you open up that file, it is
 back again. I
 was looking at a permanent way to set it off.

 Rich,
 I did edit the event, which doesn't show then when you
 are adding an
 event, but on the event screen it still shows the date
 field.

 It is not a big deal, I just don't need the date of
 each or lack of
 date when I am looking at that screen. Just a personal
 preference.

 -- 
 - Christina Hruška
  --And the Dragon Grins...

 On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 2:46 AM, Jenny M Benson
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Christina wrote:
  On the Individual Information Screen you have a
 box listed as
  Event/Facts
  First Column has Event/Fact,  the second column
 shows Date next is
  Description

  Is there a way to not have the Date
 column there?

  Probably not, but if you position your cursor over the
 join between the
  Date and Description columns you can hold the left
 button down and slide
  to the left so that the Date column is reduced in
 size.  If you slide far
  enough, the Date column will be invisible, but you can
 still restore it by
  performing the opposite movement with the cursor.

  --
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Re: [LegacyUG] Software Testing

2008-09-12 Thread mmj7806

Hi Ward,

Thanks for a thoughtful and articulate post.  I am a new user of Legacy, having 
recently switched over from TMG v7 to Legacy 7, and have been hovering along 
the side-lines of this list for the past couple of weeks or so.  I have never 
used Legacy 6.  I have also been a database developer for many years, and after 
trying out most of the competing products I settled on Legacy as the best 
choice, bugs or not.

The only other genealogy mailing list that I have been associated with is the 
TMG list.  And although I have come to prefer Legacy to TMG, I must say that 
during the 2 years that I used it and participated in its mail list, I never 
encountered the lack of respect for the feelings of other users that I have 
seen here recently.

I always found the TMG list to be extremely helpful.  But, as a total newcomer 
to the Legacy-world, I find myself hesitating to post here. I would hope that 
the anger, frustration and bad feeling toward the developers and also toward 
other posters that I have observed here lately is a transient thing, rather 
than the norm.

Mike
-- Original message -- 
From: Ward Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 While sympathetic to the users impacted by the report output bugs, I am 
 distressed by all the hostility directed towards Millennia and even towards 
 fellow listers. Software development, including software testing, is not an 
 exact science. (It comes close only in certain life-critical military 
 applications, where incredible resources are devoted to avoiding bugs.) 
 
 I worked as a software tester and test manager for many years. It is 
 impossible to create and execute test cases for every function with every 
 combination of input conditions. So, you prioritize and do your best, and 
 you work with the developers to ensure that they are also following best 
 practices such as code reviews and unit testing. Since manual testing is so 
 expensive, many companies have developed suites of automated tests that can 
 be run, not only after major updates, but even after minor bug fixes. Still, 
 the automated test cases and test tools require an up-front investment. It 
 can take a small company years to evolve a good suite of automated test 
 cases and then to keep them up with all the changes and enhancements. 
 
 Manual or automated, the first priority for a product like Legacy is 
 probably to ensure that no data gets corrupted during data 
 entry/merge/repair. Avoiding crashes would also be very high. Where I have 
 worked, a higher priority was placed on ensuring that existing functions are 
 not broken than on ensuring that new features are perfect. It is possible 
 that the test team had test cases for direct report output, and perhaps for 
 output of simple reports to file formats such as RTF. It would appear that 
 they had insufficient test cases for output of more complex reports to RTF, 
 or chose not to re-execute them. By 'complex', I mean with various scenarios 
 for sources, footnotes, database size, formatting options, etc., etc. 
 
 The company management is responsible for funding an adequate test team (or 
 test 'effort', if it is being done by the developers), and for giving them 
 enough time to complete testing after most development is frozen. The senior 
 management cannot micro-manage the testers, but it can audit test coverage 
 analysis and bug open/close rates. There are constant financial and 
 technical trade-offs. Mistakes will be made and now and then a fairly 
 serious bug will 'escape' testing. Sometimes a bug is introduced at the last 
 minute by a fix to a different bug. Hopefully Millennia has learned a lot 
 from the V7 experience, as the business grows and as the product grows in 
 complexity. 
 
 We have seen a lot of good things from this company, including great 
 responsiveness to customer feedback over the years. Let's concentrate on 
 objective, detailed, and unemotional reporting of bugs and give Millennia a 
 chance to recover and to regain our trust. 
 
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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy freezing.

That is why when I, (and others) when discussing a problem, try to steer the 
person into seeing my example, to be specific how I am wrong or not, which 
assists people not familar with writing repair requests to be more clear. I 
learned by doing it wrong enough times.
Rich in LA CA


--- On Fri, 9/12/08, ronald ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: ronald ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy freezing.
 To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 1:05 AM
 You make some important points there, Rich.
 
 I would suggest that making detailed notes of any problems
 is not only helpful for oneself though, but is of great help
 to the bug catchers and even LUG when trying to explain what
 has happened.
 
 It is not really possible to suggest ways of overcoming
 problems unless it can be replicated and ofter all, the
 response of well it doesn't happen to me is
 not very helpful, except when it provokes a response giving
 more detail as to how to replicate it.
 
 Again, insufficient information can lead to two or multiple
 problems being thought of as the same problem, when in fact
 they are quite different, and have different causes.  I know
 that you are aware of this but. hopefully, others may note
 that the more information provided about how the problem
 arose and how it can be replicated can save an awful lot of
 guessing, questions, erroneous answers and help to determine
 the correct response far more accurately. 
 
 
 Ron Ferguson
 
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 View the Grimshaw Family Tree at:
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 For The Fergusons of N.W. England See:
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  Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:13:22 -0700
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy freezing.
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 
  I am glad you came out of hiding. There seems to be a
 lot of different problems happening in L7. When these things
 keep happening, make a note for yourself, about location in
 the program, (which screen, what field, etc.) and especially
 if it happened in the same place the next time, or a new
 place/field. Since I have not yet had any of these problems
 happen to me, I must be staying away from the danger zones.
 I have added only eight new sources using SourceWriter.
 Because I have over 2000 created in L6, I will wait for the
 converter to be working, or offer my stuff for B-testing
 when needed. I never send to PDF/RTF/Webpages, since most of
 my contacts use gedcoms for e-mailing. I do know that any
 e-mail discussing problems in the DB, gets clumped with
 others that seem to be the same thing. Next time your
 computer locks up, record what screen you were editing,
 saving or canceling. I know that you might only do that
 after re-entering the program and going
  back to where you were, and attempt to re-do the task
 it might have been caused by. For future sessions, I got
 burned in my earlier years by power and connection problems,
 so now never (?) keypunch more than adding 20 new people, or
 about 40 new people to an old source, etc.
  Then I close out of the program, (which locks in the
 current stuff), before the actual backup at the real end of
 the day. I also do the same thing typing Word documents, and
 excel charts. Whenever I don't thats when my best work
 disappears.
  Rich in LA CA
 
  --- On Thu, 9/11/08, onthepathingrace-genealogy 
 wrote:
 
  From: onthepathingrace-genealogy 
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy freezing.
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 5:01 PM
  Hello. I'm a frequent lurker but Nancy's
 post
  brings me out of hiding. Legacy 7 has been
 freezing with
  Individual's screens going blank
 just as
  Nancy describes. I've been waiting for a post
 like hers.
  It didn't seem possible that the data
 blindness problem
  was mine alone. Screens going blank with data
 disappearing
  does seems random but possibly does correlate with
  individuals with source document images attached
 to events.
  So far, closing and reopening Legacy means all my
 data up to
  my last save will reappear again .
 
  Worse yet - Version 7 quits/closes on me at random
 causing
  me to lose data! Sometimes I get a error message
 before
  self-closing but usually not. This has cost me
 hours of data
  input and much heartbreak. I wish Legacy had a
 background
  auto-save feature built in!! This problem has been
 more
  frequent than the data blindness problem for me.
 Both seem
  to increase in frequency as I add individuals to
 my
  database.
 
  Despite Legacy 7's problems, it is still my
 genealogy
  program of choice having tried most. It is feature
 rich and
  more than needed at my level of genealogy
 experience.
  I've loads of experience

Re: [LegacyUG] Locations - For Marie

WHat I am hearing, may be that some of you may not know that each report has a 
place to choose to use short locations within themselves. To cover all bases, 
you need to find the choice in every report, then, not change back.
This is in addition to having the choice to use no small or small in general 
'everywhere'. 
Rich in LA CA

--- On Thu, 9/11/08, Kirsten Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Kirsten Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Locations - For Marie
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 10:43 PM
 Marie:
 
 If I'm understanding the situation, I think that
 it's an either/or thing.
 You can choose one or the other to show in a report but the
 selection
 doesn't carry over to other report types.  Hopefully
 someone will correct me
 if I'm wrong about this but that's the way it
 appears to work, and that also
 seems to correspond with Help.  I don't see an option
 for first time, etc.
 and can't explain why you would have different results
 in your Publishing
 Center Descendant Book Report unless it might be the way
 the location was
 originally entered.  This probably isn't much help, but
 I think the software
 is operating the way it's supposed to.
 
 Kirsten
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Behalf Of Marie
 Connelly
 Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:33 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Reports Aren't Just
 Fine-Kirsten
 
 
 Kirsten:
 
 I think I may be misunderstanding how the location show up
 in reports.  I
 thought that in any report the first time the program used
 the long form,
 e.g.  Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts then if you put in a
 short form such as
 Boston, Massachusetts when you originally entered the
 location the program
 would use that for the rest of the report.
 
 -Publishing Center Descendant Book Report sometimes
 uses the long form
 and sometimes uses the short form.
 
 -A regular Descendant Book Report uses long form not
 short.
 
 -A regular Descendant Narrative uses the short form.
 
 Marie
 
 --- On Thu, 9/11/08, Kirsten Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 From: Kirsten Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Reports Aren't Just
 Fine-Kirsten
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 5:30 PM
 
 
 Marie:
 
 I haven't ever tried that option, but I can have a look
 tonight.  Which
 report specifically are you referring to?
 
 Kirsten
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Behalf Of Marie
 Connelly
 Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:22 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Reports Aren't Just
 Fine-Kirsten
 
 
 Kirsten,   Have you also found that even if you've set
 it up so short
 location names should be used after the first time that you
 always get the
 long location name?
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Export of Individuals marked as Invisible Bug

I think what you are looking for is probably handled best by creating a second 
file (started as duplicate), and delete from the second one, with a possible 
name 'invisible' or like, which will completely hide? the concerned people. You 
will need to remember to do changes for both, or they will become more 
'different' in time.
Rich in LA CA


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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Export of Individuals marked as Invisible Bug
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
 Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 1:40 AM
 Hi,I consider the addition of the setting individuals
 to invisible feature in Legacy 7 to be
 absolutely the thing
 that I need to sanitize my tree before exporting. Private
 or Living is
 not sufficient since the existence people needs to be
 hidden.
 Unfortunate therefore that this feature does not work. It
 is now some time since you
 acknowledged the bug. When can we expect a fix??Regards,JTB
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy freezing and fake message

Have you submitted to Support the details of which version, what screen, what 
field, if repeatable or not, apparently random when happening. 
Rich in LA CA

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 Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy freezing  and fake message
 To: Legacy User Group LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 9:45 AM
 I just wanted to say that I too have had a little problem
 with Legacy 7 freezing, , all of a sudden,  it just shuts
 down on its own.  It has happen about 3 or 4 times.  I
 never had this problem with v. 5 or v. 6.

 Also, I too receive a fake message from geoff,
 but I recognized something was not right, so I deleted
 without opening it.  I now have one from Jimquist shows:
 [Legacy UG] T4q H3uer repl1c etc., so I'm deleting it
 also.

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Re: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff

Yes, but that is still Geoff's problem, though we collectively want to help 
him, if possible.
Rich in LA CA

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 From: Ann Parsons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 3:25 AM
 Perhaps forward them on to the U.S. Government site.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Ann
 New Mexico, USA
   - Original Message - 
   From: Terri Brownmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   To:
 LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.commailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com

   Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:06 PM
   Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff

   Erin,

   Bouncing those messages back, while tempting,
 probably isn't a very good idea. Whoever originated them
 will then know they have a hit on valid email addresses,
 plus they will have **your** email address. This just leaves
 you wide open for more spam. I suggest setting up a filter
 in your email program to automatically delete them. You may
 want to base the filter on key words or subject line not
 sender's email address. Or just simply delete them as I
 keep doing. Hopefully the folks at Legacy have a way to
 eventually stop the spam. Has anyone checked Legacy's
 website to see if they have someone to report these fake
 emails to? Frequently companies have a special email address
 like
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 for these types of reports. I think that will be my next
 stop tonight.

   Terri

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   Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 6:11:14 PM
   Subject: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff

   Does anyone know of a method to send these false messages
 back to the actual sender?  ( the ones about watches)  I
 hope so, it would be so good to fill their inbox with them.

   Erin
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Re: [LegacyUG] Software Testing

2008-09-12 Thread Heeren

Mike, 

I totally agree...and I'm sorry to say that is seems to be the norm here...with 
the same players usually.  They can take a subject  turn it around to a 
witch-burning so fast you have a huge download of useless messages in an 
instant.  And when someone speaks up against the practice they turn on them.

They never seem grateful for the wonders they have, only gripe about bits of 
imperfection  ask for more. 

If it was my list, it would be -flame once, warning- flame twice, banned.  I 
don't know how the Legacy staff stays so calm...Chocolate must be involved... 
g  They are good people with a good product  for a VERY reasonable price.  

Hey... maybe Legacy can start a second list for grownups... people with manners 
who know how to discuss problems  solutions without getting snide, rude  
insulting??? LOL

Sally



  Hi Ward,

  Thanks for a thoughtful and articulate post.  I am a new user of Legacy, 
having recently switched over from TMG v7 to Legacy 7, and have been hovering 
along the side-lines of this list for the past couple of weeks or so.  I have 
never used Legacy 6.  I have also been a database developer for many years, and 
after trying out most of the competing products I settled on Legacy as the best 
choice, bugs or not.

  The only other genealogy mailing list that I have been associated with is the 
TMG list.  And although I have come to prefer Legacy to TMG, I must say that 
during the 2 years that I used it and participated in its mail list, I never 
encountered the lack of respect for the feelings of other users that I have 
seen here recently.

  I always found the TMG list to be extremely helpful.  But, as a total 
newcomer to the Legacy-world, I find myself hesitating to post here. I would 
hope that the anger, frustration and bad feeling toward the developers and also 
toward other posters that I have observed here lately is a transient thing, 
rather than the norm.

  Mike




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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy freezing.

2008-09-12 Thread Christina

Now I am having problems with Legacy V7 Build 7.0.0.55.

It happens when I add an event and then I open the clipboard and I
enter the information on the Source detail screen. I have the
information completed and then when I try to go to the save step, it
freezes and I have to close it with the task manager.

When I reopen Legacy, I need to re-enter the event again, but the
source clipboard is saved.

FYI
-- 
- Christina Hruška
 --And the Dragon Grins...


On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:06 PM, RICHARD SCHULTHIES
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 That is why when I, (and others) when discussing a problem, try to steer the 
 person into seeing my example, to be specific how I am wrong or not, which 
 assists people not familar with writing repair requests to be more clear. I 
 learned by doing it wrong enough times.
 Rich in LA CA


 --- On Fri, 9/12/08, ronald ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: ronald ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy freezing.
 To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 1:05 AM
 You make some important points there, Rich.

 I would suggest that making detailed notes of any problems
 is not only helpful for oneself though, but is of great help
 to the bug catchers and even LUG when trying to explain what
 has happened.

 It is not really possible to suggest ways of overcoming
 problems unless it can be replicated and ofter all, the
 response of well it doesn't happen to me is
 not very helpful, except when it provokes a response giving
 more detail as to how to replicate it.

 Again, insufficient information can lead to two or multiple
 problems being thought of as the same problem, when in fact
 they are quite different, and have different causes.  I know
 that you are aware of this but. hopefully, others may note
 that the more information provided about how the problem
 arose and how it can be replicated can save an awful lot of
 guessing, questions, erroneous answers and help to determine
 the correct response far more accurately.


 Ron Ferguson

 _

 *New* Insert Pictures Into your Web Pages - Blogs
 http://www.fergys.co.uk
 View the Grimshaw Family Tree at:
 http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/
 For The Fergusons of N.W. England See:
 http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
 _




  Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:13:22 -0700
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy freezing.
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 
  I am glad you came out of hiding. There seems to be a
 lot of different problems happening in L7. When these things
 keep happening, make a note for yourself, about location in
 the program, (which screen, what field, etc.) and especially
 if it happened in the same place the next time, or a new
 place/field. Since I have not yet had any of these problems
 happen to me, I must be staying away from the danger zones.
 I have added only eight new sources using SourceWriter.
 Because I have over 2000 created in L6, I will wait for the
 converter to be working, or offer my stuff for B-testing
 when needed. I never send to PDF/RTF/Webpages, since most of
 my contacts use gedcoms for e-mailing. I do know that any
 e-mail discussing problems in the DB, gets clumped with
 others that seem to be the same thing. Next time your
 computer locks up, record what screen you were editing,
 saving or canceling. I know that you might only do that
 after re-entering the program and going
  back to where you were, and attempt to re-do the task
 it might have been caused by. For future sessions, I got
 burned in my earlier years by power and connection problems,
 so now never (?) keypunch more than adding 20 new people, or
 about 40 new people to an old source, etc.
  Then I close out of the program, (which locks in the
 current stuff), before the actual backup at the real end of
 the day. I also do the same thing typing Word documents, and
 excel charts. Whenever I don't thats when my best work
 disappears.
  Rich in LA CA
 
  --- On Thu, 9/11/08, onthepathingrace-genealogy
 wrote:
 
  From: onthepathingrace-genealogy
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy freezing.
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 5:01 PM
  Hello. I'm a frequent lurker but Nancy's
 post
  brings me out of hiding. Legacy 7 has been
 freezing with
  Individual's screens going blank
 just as
  Nancy describes. I've been waiting for a post
 like hers.
  It didn't seem possible that the data
 blindness problem
  was mine alone. Screens going blank with data
 disappearing
  does seems random but possibly does correlate with
  individuals with source document images attached
 to events.
  So far, closing and reopening Legacy means all my
 data up to
  my last save will reappear again .
 
  Worse yet - Version 7 quits/closes on me at random
 causing
  me to lose data! Sometimes I get a error

Re: [LegacyUG] Is this possible?

Yes it is possible. Fast, NO. Using an example, I need to change every Source 
'US Census 1860, Illionis, Cook County, Chicago Ward 6' to 'ENG 1861 London, 
Stepney Limehouse Parish, voter lists'. Learning purposes only. 
1. Go to Master Source List. Highlight the victim.
2. Choose 'Show list', 'for US1860'.
3. Tag the list to an empty Tag.
4. Print the list.
5. Confirm each person in the list needs to make the switch, edit any problems.
6. Create the NEW Source. (Don't use an existing one.)
7. Combine the Source 'US1860' into 'London1861'.
8. Confirm each person moved properly. Untag the good ones. 
9. Search for the should be empty source. if there, re-do 1-9.
10. Take the still there 'US1860' and choose Options - Delete Master Source. 
works only when emptied.
11. If needed add the old correct and the new correct to each other using 
combine.
I once changed about 400 people, this method, though slow, instills confidence 
it worked right.
Rich in LA CA

--- On Fri, 9/12/08, Michele Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Michele Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Is this possible?
 To: Legacy E-Mail List LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 10:29 AM
 Is it possible to tag every instance of when a particular
 source was used, 
 delete those sources, then assign a new source to all of
 those places?
 
 michele 
 
 
 
 
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RE: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff

2008-09-12 Thread Kirsten Bowman

Kris:

I also get a fair amount of LUG mail in my spam folder both on my computer
and in my ISP's spam folder.  Sometimes I pull them out and read them;
sometimes I don't.  Do you know the cause?

Perhaps this is a good time to remind listers (yet again) to send in plain
text--or chance ending up in the spam box with no replies.

Kirsten

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kris
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:07 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff


Some ISPs do a pretty good job of blocking stuff like that.  After
reading Ron's message, I found them.  GMail did a pretty good job of
snagging them.  Unfortunately, I also found quite a few other messages
from the LUG in there, too -- legitimate ones.  :-)






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RE: [LegacyUG] Export of Individuals marked as Invisible Bug

2008-09-12 Thread Kirsten Bowman

An easy workaround that I've found is this:  After the gedcom is created I
open it in an old version of FTM.  There's an option there to list all
individuals by date of birth.  It takes only a minute to check the list and
verify that there are no inappropriate entries included.  If the list is
clean, I blow away the FTM file and send the gedcom.  If Legacy can do the
same thing as easily, would someone explain how?

Kirsten

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of RICHARD
SCHULTHIES
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 3:20 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Export of Individuals marked as Invisible Bug


I think what you are looking for is probably handled best by creating a
second file (started as duplicate), and delete from the second one, with a
possible name 'invisible' or like, which will completely hide? the concerned
people. You will need to remember to do changes for both, or they will
become more 'different' in time.
Rich in LA CA


--- On Fri, 9/12/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Export of Individuals marked as Invisible Bug
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
 Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 1:40 AM
 Hi,I consider the addition of the setting individuals
 to invisible feature in Legacy 7 to be
 absolutely the thing
 that I need to sanitize my tree before exporting. Private
 or Living is
 not sufficient since the existence people needs to be
 hidden.
 Unfortunate therefore that this feature does not work. It
 is now some time since you
 acknowledged the bug. When can we expect a fix??Regards,JTB






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Re: [LegacyUG] V7 Individual Information screen Event display

2008-09-12 Thread jcspin

Just curious - I can't imagine why anybody would NOT want to know the date of 
an event. Why is that your preference?

- Original Message -
From: Christina 
Date: Friday, September 12, 2008 5:08 pm
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7 Individual Information screen Event display
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com

 Thank you all for you response, but to move the line over does move
 the date off, the next time you open up that file, it is back 
 again. I
 was looking at a permanent way to set it off.

 Rich,
 I did edit the event, which doesn't show then when you are 
 adding an
 event, but on the event screen it still shows the date field.

 It is not a big deal, I just don't need the date of each or lack of
 date when I am looking at that screen. Just a personal preference.

 -- 
 - Christina Hruška
 --And the Dragon Grins...

 On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 2:46 AM, Jenny M Benson 
 wrote:

  Christina wrote:
  On the Individual Information Screen you have a box listed as
  Event/Facts
  First Column has Event/Fact, the second column shows Date 
 next is
  Description

  Is there a way to not have the Date column there?

  Probably not, but if you position your cursor over the join 
 between the
  Date and Description columns you can hold the left button down 
 and slide
  to the left so that the Date column is reduced in size. If 
 you slide far
  enough, the Date column will be invisible, but you can still 
 restore it by
  performing the opposite movement with the cursor.

  --
  Jenny M Benson

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Re: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff

2008-09-12 Thread marilyn E B

Kirsten,
I did not have any either until today, but it was so easy to recognize. So I
just deleted that message and went on reading things that interest me. I
would have sent it to report spam, but at one time Legacy messages were
going to spam and I did not want to deal with that again.

The messages are easy to identify if you check subject lines before reading.
So I can delete and go on. Not a big deal to me.

Marilyn

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Kirsten Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Nor have I.  None in my spam folder and none in my ISP's spam folder.  Is
 it
 luck, or is it a matter of filters and settings?

 Kirsten

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy freezing.

OK. First question. Is the Event one of the four (BirthChriDiedBur) or an 
Event/Fact? New Event/Type or already used? New Source or already used one? 
SourceWriter or BasicStyle? I am guessing you are using SourceWriter. There 
have been problems reported in somewhat similar situations. Did you skip any 
fields. I know it shouldn't matter, but it might. You said,
'When I reopen Legacy, I need to re-enter the event again, but the source 
clipboard is saved.' 
Again was this a NEW clipboard source, or a repeat. I read it as new. It may be 
a problem with order of input. I don't use the clipboard much, but I would 
create the NEW source, before opening the Event screen. This may be a quirk to 
fix, or an intentional, desired path to use/not use. Since the underlying 
program MS Access, has its own quirks and ideas of order, it may be confusing 
the DB. But at the present time, until we hear otherwise (or if I guessed 
wrong, and it works differently than I state), I would until furthur notice, 
create the sources-events in that order. I would gladly hear from those who use 
the described tool order successfully.
What I think is the problem:
Create new Event, go to clipboard, add new source, edit clipboard detail 
screen, Save Source, Save Event.
Hope I got it right?
Rich in LA CA


--- On Fri, 9/12/08, Christina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Christina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy freezing.
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 4:27 PM
 Now I am having problems with Legacy V7 Build 7.0.0.55.
 
 It happens when I add an event and then I open the clipboard and I  enter the 
 information on the Source detail screen. I have the
 information completed and then when I try to go to the save
 step, it freezes and I have to close it with the task manager.
 
 When I reopen Legacy, I need to re-enter the event again,
 but the
 source clipboard is saved.
 
 FYI
 -- 
 - Christina Hruška
  --And the Dragon Grins...
 
 
 On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:06 PM, RICHARD SCHULTHIES
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  That is why when I, (and others) when discussing a
 problem, try to steer the person into seeing my example, to
 be specific how I am wrong or not, which assists people not
 familar with writing repair requests to be more clear. I
 learned by doing it wrong enough times.
  Rich in LA CA
 
 
  --- On Fri, 9/12/08, ronald ferguson
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  From: ronald ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy freezing.
  To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 1:05 AM
  You make some important points there, Rich.
 
  I would suggest that making detailed notes of any
 problems
  is not only helpful for oneself though, but is of
 great help
  to the bug catchers and even LUG when trying to
 explain what
  has happened.
 
  It is not really possible to suggest ways of
 overcoming
  problems unless it can be replicated and ofter
 all, the
  response of well it doesn't happen to
 me is
  not very helpful, except when it provokes a
 response giving
  more detail as to how to replicate it.
 
  Again, insufficient information can lead to two or
 multiple
  problems being thought of as the same problem,
 when in fact
  they are quite different, and have different
 causes.  I know
  that you are aware of this but. hopefully, others
 may note
  that the more information provided about how the
 problem
  arose and how it can be replicated can save an
 awful lot of
  guessing, questions, erroneous answers and help to
 determine
  the correct response far more accurately.
 
 
  Ron Ferguson
 
 
 _
 
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  http://www.fergys.co.uk
  View the Grimshaw Family Tree at:
  http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/
  For The Fergusons of N.W. England See:
  http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
 
 _
 
 
 
 
   Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:13:22 -0700
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy freezing.
   To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  
   I am glad you came out of hiding. There seems
 to be a
  lot of different problems happening in L7. When
 these things
  keep happening, make a note for yourself, about
 location in
  the program, (which screen, what field, etc.) and
 especially
  if it happened in the same place the next time, or
 a new
  place/field. Since I have not yet had any of these
 problems
  happen to me, I must be staying away from the
 danger zones.
  I have added only eight new sources using
 SourceWriter.
  Because I have over 2000 created in L6, I will
 wait for the
  converter to be working, or offer my stuff for
 B-testing
  when needed. I never send to PDF/RTF/Webpages,
 since most of
  my contacts use gedcoms for e-mailing. I do know
 that any
  e-mail discussing problems in the DB, gets clumped
 with
  others

RE: [LegacyUG] Help

2008-09-12 Thread John LOrd

Hi Leon, my files are an FTW and a FBK - does this change the conversion, 

 

Thanks for offering,

 

Best

 

John Lord

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leon
Chapman
Sent: Friday, 12 September 2008 1:37 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help

 

John:

 

Send my your FTM file and I will convert if for you.

 

Send it to:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 



 

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 8:31 PM, John LOrd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi all and sundry,

 

Sherry, from Legacy support has suggested that I contact you people on the
chance u may be able to help.

 

I had a computer malfunction, a crash I guess, and lost my family tree.

 

On recovery I have found, or the guy that did this for me,( I, on computers
skills fall outside of the category of 'Geek' and 'Nerd' to one closely
resembling 'dope',) two files one  with a FBK the other with  FTW, which on
advising Sherry who came back with the following.

 

 

Ok, I checked with Brian, our other support person, who at one time had FTM
on his computer - but it was an early version and he never could get it to
run correctly on is XP computer so he uninstalled it.

 

What I'm going to suggest is that you contact the Legacy User Group mailing
list and ask the listers if any of them have FTM installed (there are a lot
of ex FTM users) and would be willing to create a gedcom for you.  Do *not*
send the files to the list but wait until someone responds and then send the
Lord Constable Gedcom May 01.ged.FTW file directly to that person.

 

 

I would like to tell u I understand that - I don't - apart from the part
relating to contact you guys and gals, so if anyone out there can help, you
will save me a lot, an awful lot, of retyping.

 

I lay awake at night in anticipation,

Best

 

John Lord

 

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[LegacyUG] ... Scrapbook printing ... Jim

2008-09-12 Thread Jim Hughes

Good Day ...

... I hope all is well

Your comments/direction are appreciated.

My quest ... to 'order' the printing of Scrapbook images.

I created a .pdf file of my Scrapbook images.  I am unable to determine the 
'order' of how the images were printed.  Family images are not in sequence, 
within the page, nor report.

My question:  how do I order the report as to families, images, and 
sequence?
Thanks for your guidance.
Jim
***

Here are the steps, and settings, I use to print a Scrapbook Report:

View
Scrapbook
Picture Scrapbook Options

Check Individuals
* All Individuals

Check Individual pictures
Check Individual event pictures
Check Marriage Pictures
Check Marriage event pictures

Check Marriages
* All Marriages
 Check Marriage pictures

Print Scrapbook

(Collect pictures  ... displayed)

Photo Album Options

Title 

Pictures per page
*4

Picture reduction width
 *200pixels

Include
   Check Include caption
  Check File description
Check centered
Check include date
   Check drop shadow
  * light

*PDF

Create ... 




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Re: [LegacyUG] Software Testing

2008-09-12 Thread Janis L Gilmore

Mike, I was on the TMG list for several years, as well. Like you I have
ultimately chosen Legacy over TMG  although I liked TMG quite well, and
think it is a fine program.

The TMG list does have a ³higher tone² than the Legacy list. Having said
that, the Legacy list is full of clever people, good eggs  people like Ron
and Wendy, who generously lend so much time responding to questions; it is
just a few people that pull the level of conversation down a bit. Probably
not their intention, but there it is. You will quickly learn to skim the
posts of the most contentious or demanding with a sense of humor, or to
delete them straight away.

I think this last week was a bit unusual, in that one person had a problem
that was truly driving her around the bend, hence a flurry of very
frustrated emails.

Welcome to the list. Stick with us. I think Legacy is making some great
strides right now, in spite of the bugs, toward edging into TMG¹s former
stranglehold on the ³serious genealogist² slice of the market.

Janis Walker Gilmore


On 9/12/08 5:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Ward,
  
 Thanks for a thoughtful and articulate post.  I am a new user of Legacy,
 having recently switched over from TMG v7 to Legacy 7, and have been hovering
 along the side-lines of this list for the past couple of weeks or so.  I have
 never used Legacy 6.  I have also been a database developer for many years,
 and after trying out most of the competing products I settled on Legacy as the
 best choice, bugs or not.
  
 The only other genealogy mailing list that I have been associated with is the
 TMG list.  And although I have come to prefer Legacy to TMG, I must say that
 during the 2 years that I used it and participated in its mail list, I never
 encountered the lack of respect for the feelings of other users that I have
 seen here recently.
  
 I always found the TMG list to be extremely helpful.  But, as a total newcomer
 to the Legacy-world, I find myself hesitating to post here. I would hope that
 the anger, frustration and bad feeling toward the developers and also toward
 other posters that I have observed here lately is a transient thing, rather
 than the norm.
  
 Mike
 -- Original message --
 From: Ward Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  While sympathetic to the users impacted by the report output bugs, I am
  distressed by all the hostility directed towards Millennia and even
 towards 
  fellow listers. Software development, including software testing, is not
 an 
  exact science. (It comes close only in certain life-critical military
  applications, where incredible resources are devoted to avoiding bugs.)
  
  I worked as a software tester and test manager for many years. It is
  impossible to create and execute test cases for every function with every
  combination of input conditions. So, you prioritize and do your best, and
  you work with the developers to ensure that they are also following best
  practices such as code reviews and unit testing. Since manual testing is
 so 
  expensive, many companies have developed suites of automated tests that
 can 
  be run, not only after major updates, but even after minor bug fixes.
 Still, 
  the automated test cases and test tools require an up-front investment. It
  can take a small company years to evolve a good suite of automated test
  cases and then to keep them up with all the changes and enhancements.
  
  Manual or automated, the first priority for a product like Legacy is
  probably to ensure that no data gets corrupted during data
  entry/merge/repair. Avoiding crashes would also be very high. Where I have
  worked, a higher priority was placed on ensuring that existing functions
 are 
  not broken than on ensuring that new features are perfect. It is possible
  that the test team had test cases for direct report output, and perhaps
 for 
  output of simple reports to file formats such as RTF . It would appear
 that 
  they had insufficient test cases for output of more complex reports to
 RTF, 
  or chose not to re-execute them. By 'complex', I mean with various
 scenarios 
  for sources, footnotes, database size, formatting options, etc., etc.
  
  The company management is responsible for funding an adequate test team
 (or 
  test 'effort', if it is being done by the developers), and for giving them
  enough time to complete testing after most development is frozen. The
 senior 
  management cannot micro-manage the testers, but it can audit test coverage
  analysis and bug open/close rates. There are constant financial and
  technical trade-offs. Mistakes will be made and now and then a fairly
  serious bug will 'escape' testing. Sometimes a bug is introduced at the
 last 
  minute by a fix to a different bug. Hopefully Millennia has learned a lot
  from the V7 experience, as the business g rows and as the product grows in
  complexity. 
  
  We have seen a lot of good things from this company, including great

Re: [LegacyUG] Help

2008-09-12 Thread Janis L Gilmore

Before anyone heaps abuse on John, who is new to the list - I am sure his
attachment of gedcoms was an accident, and he intended to send them to
Susan.

Janis


On 9/12/08 8:49 PM, John LOrd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Susan,
 
 Thanks for offering to help, attached my files,
 
 Best
 
 John Lord
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan
 Perrett
 Sent: Friday, 12 September 2008 1:51 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help
 
 Hi John,
 
 I am using both version 16 and 2008/9 of Family
 Tree Maker and can assist you if you like. You
 can send me the file/s and I can convert them
 into a .GED file/s and send them back to you - as attachments.
 
 Cheers,
 
 
 At 01:31 PM 12/09/2008, you wrote:
 Hi all and sundry,
 
 Sherry, from Legacy support has suggested that I
 contact you people on the chance u may be able to help.
 
 I had a computer malfunction, a crash I guess, and lost my family tree.
 
 On recovery I have found, or the guy that did
 this for me,( I, on computers skills fall
 outside of the category of 'Geek' and 'Nerd' to
 one closely resembling 'dope',) two files
 one  with a FBK the other with  FTW, which on
 advising Sherry who came back with the following.
 
 
 Ok, I checked with Brian, our other support
 person, who at one time had FTM on his computer
 - but it was an early version and he never could
 get it to run correctly on is XP computer so he uninstalled it.
 
 What I'm going to suggest is that you contact
 the Legacy User Group mailing list and ask the
 listers if any of them have FTM installed (there
 are a lot of ex FTM users) and would be willing
 to create a gedcom for you.  Do *not* send the
 files to the list but wait until someone
 responds and then send the Lord Constable Gedcom
 May 01.ged.FTW file directly to that person.
 
 
 I would like to tell u I understand that - I
 don't - apart from the part relating to contact
 you guys and gals, so if anyone out there can
 help, you will save me a lot, an awful lot, of retyping.
 
 I lay awake at night in anticipation,
 Best
 
 John Lord
 
 
 Susan,
 Victoria, Australia.
 English webpage: http://www.st.net.au/~susanp/index.html
 American webpage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~susanp
 Research: ALSTON-Suffolk/Bedford/America,post
 1850, BOURCHIER-UK, post 1650, CHUDLEIGH-Devon,
 All, HOLTTUM-Kent,pre 1720,MARTEN-Sussex,pre 1660, OXENDEN-Kent, All.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff

2008-09-12 Thread Kris

It's a problem with GMail's spam filters and they are *not* optional. 
 There is a lot of discussion about it on the GMail lists.  It isn't 
the LUG messages, specifically, that are snagged, and I'd only be 
speculating why some are marked and most are not (GMail techs won't 
discuss the criteria, for obvious reasons).  But I really don't think 
it's because of HTML -- so many people use that that it isn't a 
reliable identifier.


It's a good reminder, though, that if people find they are missing 
parts of conversations on the LUG, to check the spam folder -- whether 
you're using GMail or your ISP has filters.


At the risk of beating a dead horse, I think if the LUG messages were 
configured to only include the LUG email address, and not the sender's 
personal address, it might make a difference.  The other lists that I 
am on that do *not* include the personal address on the From line -- 
or include a LIST header, don't end up in the spam folder.


Kirsten Bowman wrote:

Kris:

I also get a fair amount of LUG mail in my spam folder both on my computer
and in my ISP's spam folder.  Sometimes I pull them out and read them;
sometimes I don't.  Do you know the cause?

Perhaps this is a good time to remind listers (yet again) to send in plain
text--or chance ending up in the spam box with no replies.

Kirsten

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kris
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:07 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff


Some ISPs do a pretty good job of blocking stuff like that.  After
reading Ron's message, I found them.  GMail did a pretty good job of
snagging them.  Unfortunately, I also found quite a few other messages
from the LUG in there, too -- legitimate ones.  :-)




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Re: [LegacyUG] ... Scrapbook printing ... Jim

2008-09-12 Thread JLB

This sounds familiar, like something I was trying to do a few years 
ago.  As you probably notice there are no options for the type of thing 
you're asking about .  You might try re-ordering the pictures in a 
couple of your  Individual picture galleries and see if you can 
determine a pattern to it.  Maybe Legacy tech will divulge the mystery 
of it and save you some time?


There are so many other programs around that print good pdf's of 
photographs so I've moved my efforts elsewhere. My favorite presently is 
ACDSee Pro 2 Photo Manager.  If you need something for free, FastStone 
Viewer has detailed options for setup.

-
JL
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www.jgen.ws/jlog.html

Jim Hughes wrote:

Good Day ...

... I hope all is well

Your comments/direction are appreciated.

My quest ... to 'order' the printing of Scrapbook images.

I created a .pdf file of my Scrapbook images.  I am unable to determine the 
'order' of how the images were printed.  Family images are not in sequence, 
within the page, nor report.


My question:  how do I order the report as to families, images, and 
sequence?

Thanks for your guidance.
Jim
***

Here are the steps, and settings, I use to print a Scrapbook Report:

View
Scrapbook
Picture Scrapbook Options

Check Individuals
* All Individuals

Check Individual pictures
Check Individual event pictures
Check Marriage Pictures
Check Marriage event pictures

Check Marriages
* All Marriages
 Check Marriage pictures

Print Scrapbook

(Collect pictures  ... displayed)

Photo Album Options

Title 

Pictures per page
*4

Picture reduction width
 *200pixels

Include
   Check Include caption
  Check File description
Check centered
Check include date
   Check drop shadow
  * light

*PDF

Create ... 





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Re: [LegacyUG] ... Scrapbook printing ... Jim