RE: [LegacyUG] PURPOSE OF USER-FORUMS ?

[William H. Boswell]

I asked the same thing recently.  I think it is referred to as the digest
mode at least on the Rootsweb mailing lists.  Probably one reason why they
don't use it is because people who respond to a compilation of many messages
will be reposting all those messages again and again.

Bill Boswell

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Julie Hite
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:22 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] PURPOSE OF USER-FORUMS ?


How can I set this forum to a "once a day" list of posts rather than having
each post be a separate email?
Julie

Julie M. Hite
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Dept. of Educational Leadership & Foundations
306 MCKB
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RE: [LegacyUG] PURPOSE OF USER-FORUMS ?

[William H. Boswell]

Mary:

I helped to keep it going so you're not the only one.  It got off topic very
quickly and I apologize for that.

Bill Boswell

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Mary Horner
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 12:12 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] PURPOSE OF USER-FORUMS ?


I believe that I was the initial poster who started the contested thread
that generated this post. According to the guidelines: I am a new user of
Legacy (paid deluxe plus learning tapes) and I was seeking help with respect
to Legacy add-ons, namely the hows and safety of linking to Ancestry which
is a suggested resource found repeatedly under Legacy's Research Guidance.
As a result the opinions presented have given me lots to think about which I
appreciate. Thus I believe this user forum has served its purpose. Many
thanks.

Mary





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RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy

[William H. Boswell]

I think you're directing this to the person that asked about uploading to
Ancestry.com under their terms and conditions.

Mine was uploaded to Rootsweb's Freepages prior to the Ancestry.com takeover
which came under different terms and conditions that did not state anything
like this.  I removed mine shortly after the Ancestry.com takeover because I
did not agree with their terms at that time.

I rarely used Ancestry.com's online trees and when I did my trees were
usually private.  The ones that weren't private I knew the risk and didn't
care because I intended to offer the information freely since they were
distant lines that were more beneficial to others than to me.

Bill Boswell

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of CE Wood
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:56 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy


When you upload to a website that warns that IT now owns your material, you
have given away your ownership.  It is then is up to Ancestry to pursue.


CE


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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf
Of William H. Boswell
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:27 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy

I think you misunderstood my stance on this.  I'm not talking about vital
record data and the like.  I'm talking about specific information that no
one else had access to.  For instance, I have hundreds of hours of audio
interviews where specific information was transcribed and passages used in
my notes.  Some of this information has shown up word-for-word in other
people's trees.  If I don't own that information, then who does since it is
not publicly available and I still have the original recordings and there
are no public copies.

Since I had put some of that information online that is my mistake.  Most of
this information was online for many years because at the time the
intentions of most people were good, but lately there seems to be more
pirates than good intentions so I took it down.

I wouldn't mind so much that the information is used, but the thiefs could
at least cite where they got it from instead of taking ownership of my own
data.  Things like dates and places could have come from anywhere so how can
I know where that came from.  Specific information word-for-word I can tell
if it came from my data.  The only thing I ask is that they show some
respect for those of us who spent the time and money to research it.
Obviously they didn't.

Bill Boswell

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Brian L. Lightfoot
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 4:03 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy


I agree with Jenny on this. I could care less how many people copy verbatim
the information and dialog found within my family file. I have many
photographs supplied by others on my web site but I always include "Photo
Courtesy of ..."

But just one additional point for William: your "data" does not belong to
you and you cannot assert any claim or copyrights over most of the raw data.
Images, recordings, stories, look & feel, and other things can be
copyrighted. But data like "born in 1850, married in 1870, and died in 1920"
cannot belong to anyone. For years there have been long and furious
discussions on various forums that addressed this issue. How and why
Ancestry.com claims copyright protections on the data on their servers is a
matter left for the attorneys and courts to sort out.

Brian in CA


-Original Message-
From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:15 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy

William H. Boswell wrote
>I've had the same problem with pirating of my data which is why I no
>longer upload my information especially on Ancestry.com.

I really don't care if people want to "pirate" any data I put on line.
I don't guarantee that all my data is 100% accurate so if they think it
is that's their problem.  If they want to deprive themselves of all the
fun of doing their own research, that's their problem.  On the other
hand, if a previously unknown/unfound relative of mine is able to make
contact with me because of my online tree, so much the better.

Of course, it's always much *nicer* if someone asks if they might use
your data and I always try and ask permission of anyone whose online
data I might want to use.  It's only polite.
--
Jenny M Benson





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RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy

[William H. Boswell]

You should be able to download from your Ancestry.com tree to a GEDCOM.
While I've never first posted to Ancestry.com trees then downloaded to a
GEDCOM I can only assume it's the same as exporting from Family Tree Maker
to a GEDCOM.

I'm still cleaning up my Legacy data from an FTM 2009 GEDCOM export.  The
data all seems to be there, but of course the images were unlinked.

Cleanup is never easy with any program, but after you have downloaded from
your Ancestry.com tree to a GEDCOM I would not get rid of the online tree
just yet.  You will likely need it to verify that all data was transferred
correctly.  If not, you can always do a copy and paste into Legacy.

Ancestry.com doesn't make anything easy as far as exporting to another
program.

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Mary Horner
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 3:48 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy


Bill, thanks for the comments but can you translate into simple stupid for
me.
I would like to get the data off Ancestry as simply as possible for me. I am
a two-finger typist, struggling with sourcing, clipboards etc. It literally
can take me a day to enter a handful of Marriage registrations. I thought I
could safely upload my tree into Ancestry, with a few clicks save this data
on my tree and then export back into Legacy. Is this possible or is it too
risky to bother with? I have a hard time understanding what you have written
below

>>you would have to use FTM (is FTM Ancestry software?) to merge the data
and images, but keep Legacy updated at the same time by copying over the
data manually and linking the images manually as well (then why would I
bother using FTM if I am copying manually?)
>> do all your data keeping in the software (I assume you mean Legacy) and
upload not the other way around (how and what do I upload to Legacy- each
individual source such as an individual's marriage reg?).  You never know
what trick the company is going to pull so that your online data is no
longer downloadable.  At least if you keep it local you have some control
over it.  You can always download the images and copy/paste the text right
into Legacy (now I'm lost - upload/download, copy/paste right into
Legacy/manually??)

Mary





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RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy

[William H. Boswell]

I think you misunderstood my stance on this.  I'm not talking about vital
record data and the like.  I'm talking about specific information that no
one else had access to.  For instance, I have hundreds of hours of audio
interviews where specific information was transcribed and passages used in
my notes.  Some of this information has shown up word-for-word in other
people's trees.  If I don't own that information, then who does since it is
not publicly available and I still have the original recordings and there
are no public copies.

Since I had put some of that information online that is my mistake.  Most of
this information was online for many years because at the time the
intentions of most people were good, but lately there seems to be more
pirates than good intentions so I took it down.

I wouldn't mind so much that the information is used, but the thiefs could
at least cite where they got it from instead of taking ownership of my own
data.  Things like dates and places could have come from anywhere so how can
I know where that came from.  Specific information word-for-word I can tell
if it came from my data.  The only thing I ask is that they show some
respect for those of us who spent the time and money to research it.
Obviously they didn't.

Bill Boswell

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Brian L. Lightfoot
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 4:03 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy


I agree with Jenny on this. I could care less how many people copy verbatim
the information and dialog found within my family file. I have many
photographs supplied by others on my web site but I always include "Photo
Courtesy of ..."

But just one additional point for William: your "data" does not belong to
you and you cannot assert any claim or copyrights over most of the raw data.
Images, recordings, stories, look & feel, and other things can be
copyrighted. But data like "born in 1850, married in 1870, and died in 1920"
cannot belong to anyone. For years there have been long and furious
discussions on various forums that addressed this issue. How and why
Ancestry.com claims copyright protections on the data on their servers is a
matter left for the attorneys and courts to sort out.

Brian in CA


-Original Message-
From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:15 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy

William H. Boswell wrote
>I've had the same problem with pirating of my data which is why I no
>longer upload my information especially on Ancestry.com.

I really don't care if people want to "pirate" any data I put on line.
I don't guarantee that all my data is 100% accurate so if they think it
is that's their problem.  If they want to deprive themselves of all the
fun of doing their own research, that's their problem.  On the other
hand, if a previously unknown/unfound relative of mine is able to make
contact with me because of my online tree, so much the better.

Of course, it's always much *nicer* if someone asks if they might use
your data and I always try and ask permission of anyone whose online
data I might want to use.  It's only polite.
--
Jenny M Benson





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RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy

[William H. Boswell]

That's why I prefer to not use any information obtained online.  It's good
for reference or clues, but that's about it.  I always look for an
alternative.  Even Ancestry.com has transcribed information with no images
available.  How do I know the transcriber/software didn't make a mistake?
I've found hundreds of errors at Ancestry.com, reported them and were never
fixed.

It might be better to go back to the old research techniques using libraries
and other non-online resources.  Online genealogy has been monopolized by
too many greedy companies buying up every source there is which is why I
won't subscribe to them.  And many of them use our data to gain more
subscribers.

Something to think about for those who don't care.  If you are considering
publishing your information as I am, you will care when you find out that
someone else beat you to it.

Bill Boswell

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Ron Ferguson
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:14 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy


Brian,

Whilst you are correct in saying that data cannot be copyrighted, images
can, and the Ancestry images are copyright, indeed those relating to the UK
are Crown Copyright and may not be reproduced without the consent of the
appropriate authorities.

Arguably their indexes are copyright also, as are mine on my website,
furthermore if a page is copied from a website and reproduced that also is
probably in breach of copyright. I have published parish records on my site,
again the data is not copyright, but the database is my copyright. Blogs and
tutorials are always the copyright of the author.

The point I wish to make is that due care must be excercised when copying
and subsequently reproducing from a website, or in any other form for that
matter.

Ron Ferguson
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Brian L. Lightfoot wrote:
> I agree with Jenny on this. I could care less how many people copy
> verbatim the information and dialog found within my family file. I
> have many photographs supplied by others on my web site but I always
> include "Photo Courtesy of ..."
>
> But just one additional point for William: your "data" does not
> belong to you and you cannot assert any claim or copyrights over most
> of the raw data. Images, recordings, stories, look & feel, and other
> things can be copyrighted. But data like "born in 1850, married in
> 1870, and died in 1920" cannot belong to anyone. For years there have
> been long and furious discussions on various forums that addressed
> this issue. How and why Ancestry.com claims copyright protections on
> the data on their servers is a matter left for the attorneys and
> courts to sort out.
>
> Brian in CA
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:15 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy
>
> William H. Boswell wrote
>> I've had the same problem with pirating of my data which is why I no
>> longer upload my information especially on Ancestry.com.
>
> I really don't care if people want to "pirate" any data I put on line.
> I don't guarantee that all my data is 100% accurate so if they think
> it
> is that's their problem.  If they want to deprive themselves of all
> the
> fun of doing their own research, that's their problem.  On the other
> hand, if a previously unknown/unfound relative of mine is able to make
> contact with me because of my online tree, so much the better.
>
> Of course, it's always much *nicer* if someone asks if they might use
> your data and I always try and ask permission of anyone whose online
> data I might want to use.  It's only polite.





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RE: [LegacyUG] Genealogy Pirates

[William H. Boswell]

That's the problem I've had with Ancestry.com searches.  They'd turn up not
only old information I posted to Rootsweb ten years ago, but my same people
connected erroneously to their families when I knew they were not.

I know many people have good intentions posting their information to
internet sites, but there are others who don't.  I've had people ask me to
correct my data when I had it publicly posted on Rootsweb's FreePages and I
said I would if they could validate their data with sources.  They would not
so I didn't change it because I had accurate sources and/or I knew the
people they were connecting to.  Others I had given my information with
sources to so I could prove their data was wrong and they didn't change it
even though I knew for a fact they were not related to my direct line.

Now I only work with my distant cousins who had contacted me through my
former FreePages website because I had researched their distant lines when
nobody else would.  It's odd that for all these years there was no
information available on these people until I posted it all for free.  Now
I'm finding it everywhere--information that did not come from the internet
but from diaries, bibles,  and unpublished records that I found in private
collections that aren't available anywhere else.  So how did these other
people get this information?

By the way, since Ancestry.com took over Rootsweb a few years ago they also
purchased all of Rootsweb's old trees even ones that were supposed to have
been deleted.  I found that out about a year ago when I did a search and
found an old tree that I specifically had Rootsweb delete and they did, but
Ancestry.com must have gotten from old backups and restored.  I would only
remember this because I had mistakenly entered a comment about an ancestor
being a drunk (which he was) and knew I had it deleted because his daughter
was still alive and I never intended for that information to go public.

So, I wouldn't put a lot of trust in what stays free at Rootsweb.
Rootsweb's been around a lot longer than Ancestry.com and it's a shame they
bought it out.  Ancestry.com has a profit motive while Rootsweb never did.

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Mary Horner
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:03 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Genealogy Pirates


Jenny said 'I really don't care if people want to "pirate" any data I put on
line. '

The problem is Jenny; I was trying to find the connection between Canada and
Ireland. There is one person who is very active on the message boards when I
do searches for my direct line surname. I have discovered that he pirates
others' information and plugs it into his imaginary tree. I worry that he is
going to have the data so compromised that if I ever actually get over there
to search, the truth will have been lost in the fiction. I see red ever time
I find his name on a message board. I know I can't trust his info but what
about all the poor people who don't know better?
Mary





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RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy

[William H. Boswell]

I totally agree with you and commend you for that.  It should be that way (all 
your points).

I've thoroughly researched everyone in my data several times and I've gone back 
about as far as I can go.  There are some distant lines that still need work, 
but they are so distant that it would be better for someone more closely 
related to take over.  Those I have posted online before.

I've always posted on my former website that if you would like additional 
information and sources, please contact me.  Sometimes they do and I find out 
they have information I'm looking for.  Sometimes they're new, like a distant 
cousin I found a couple of years ago, and they have nothing so I give them what 
I have.  I'm not that selfish, but to a point you have to be when it's out 
there for anyone to take.  After all, the taker might have loads of information 
they could share and don't.  They could hold the missing link you're looking 
for, but they don't give you the opportunity to find out.  That's why sometimes 
selfish works.

I figure my distant cousins have enough of my information and their own to 
share, and I have some of theirs as well.  Some of these lines ended so I 
figure there is no one else around to research them.

Bill Boswell   
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  From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf 
Of linda chapman
  Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:05 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy


  Hi

  I have my tree on Ancestry, Genes and Tribal Pages with over 4000 names in 
it, but not one source.

  They have been created this way for three reasons.  Firstly, when you send a 
gedcom, there is only one certainty, and that is that some of the sources will 
be missing, so I would rather have none.  

  The second, is that everyone on my tree has been very, thoroughly researched 
by me, and wouldn't be on it, if they hadn't.  My working database is 
absolutely jam packed with information, photo's, copies of certificates etc and 
if anyone takes the time to contact me they will receive all the help I can 
give, including all my sources.


  Thirdly, I have been given a lot of help from a lot of people and everyone's 
contribution is wonderful and has been recognised on my database but that is 
between them and me and so I feel that it should stay that way.


  Regards

  Lin
  please browse my family tree at 
  http://mytangledfamily.tribalpages.com






--
  From: Jenny M Benson 
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
  Sent: Tuesday, 3 November, 2009 20:14:58
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy

  William H. Boswell wrote
  > I've had the same problem with pirating of my data which is why I no longer 
upload my information especially on Ancestry.com.

  I really don't care if people want to "pirate" any data I put on line. I 
don't guarantee that all my data is 100% accurate so if they think it is that's 
their problem.  If they want to deprive themselves of all the fun of doing 
their own research, that's their problem.  On the other hand, if a previously 
unknown/unfound relative of mine is able to make contact with me because of my 
online tree, so much the better.

  Of course, it's always much *nicer* if someone asks if they might use your 
data and I always try and ask permission of anyone whose online data I might 
want to use.  It's only polite.
  -- Jenny M Benson



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RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy

[William H. Boswell]

It sounds like me.  If I download from a tree, I only take the pertinent
information by copying and pasting directly from the page to a text file
with a note as to where it came from.

Other people's trees are highly suspect if there are no sources.  No sources
usually equals it was taken from another tree that also had no sources.  As
I was told years ago by someone, if there are no sources the website is
usually the source.  If the information has been copied a dozen times
without any sources then it is practically impossible to verify unless you
can find the original source website.  I never listed any sources because
for some people it's just grab and run and if they have your entire file
then you've just done their genealogy for them at your own expense.

I've had the same problem with pirating of my data which is why I no longer
upload my information especially on Ancestry.com.

Ancestry.com's new Family Tree Maker 2010 will download your entire online
tree at their site along with photos.  Getting it into Legacy is a nightmare
as I've discovered.  If you go that route, you would have to use FTM to
merge the data and images, but keep Legacy updated at the same time by
copying over the data manually and linking the images manually as well.  I
did this between two programs for years including FTM.

The one thing I've been telling people for years is to do all your data
keeping in the software and upload not the other way around.  You never know
what trick the company is going to pull so that your online data is no
longer downloadable.  At least if you keep it local you have some control
over it.  You can always download the images and copy/paste the text right
into Legacy.  I never did a merge directly into my file but a separate file
until I was absolutely certain this was the correct family.  Many times it
wasn't.

Bill Boswell

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Mary Horner
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:59 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy


are they submitted trees?
Be very careful:-)

Thanks for the warning. No I always go right to the original documents -
birth, marriage etc. I have already had the experience of someone else
taking my research and plugging it into their tree where there is no
evidence to indicate we are linked at all. That's why I am a little
concerned about uploading to ancestry - people pirating. I assume there is a
risk.





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RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy

[William H. Boswell]

I wouldn't count on anyone asking permission.  Only one time have I had
someone ask permission to use something from my website and it was a
magazine that wanted to publish one of my photos.  I gave them permission
and they even sent me a copy of the magazine it was in.

Other than that, it's take and run these days.

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Jenny M Benson
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 3:15 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy


William H. Boswell wrote
>I've had the same problem with pirating of my data which is why I no
>longer upload my information especially on Ancestry.com.

I really don't care if people want to "pirate" any data I put on line.
I don't guarantee that all my data is 100% accurate so if they think it
is that's their problem.  If they want to deprive themselves of all the
fun of doing their own research, that's their problem.  On the other
hand, if a previously unknown/unfound relative of mine is able to make
contact with me because of my online tree, so much the better.

Of course, it's always much *nicer* if someone asks if they might use
your data and I always try and ask permission of anyone whose online
data I might want to use.  It's only polite.
--
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RE: [LegacyUG] Read Receipt for Message

[William H. Boswell]

Not a big deal.  I was able to turn it off but as you said I usually just
cancel them because I figure the person probably doesn't realize they have
it turned on until they receive a ton of read receipts.

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Laurie Nelson
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 7:06 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Read Receipt for Message


Bill, I'm one of the users who requests read receipts. On the other mail
lists I belong to (all on rootsweb), they are turned off, so I was surprised
when I started getting read receipts from members of this list.

I have requested read receipts because, as a volunteer, I needed to know
when my important messages were received even if the receiver(s) didn't have
time or take the time to respond. As a genealogy enthusiast, I also need to
know whether my messages are read. If not, I might need to contact that
person again.

I didn't mean to cause havoc in this list.  I thought they were sent only
because I chose Reply All instead of just Reply, but I'm not sure. I will
try to turn off read receipts just for messages to this list or else stop
sending messages to it altogether, if that doesn't work. As others have
pointed out, most email programs allow you to turn off even viewing requests
for read receipts. Personally when I receive one from someone I don't know,
I ignore it.

Thanks for bringing this up. I've intended to apologize for the read
receipts, but have been busy with other things.

Laurie Nelson

--------------
From: "William H. Boswell" 
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 12:09 PM
To: 
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Read Receipt for Message

> I tried Thunderbird a couple of years ago and hated it.  Their web
> browser,
> Firefox, was good until it kept crashing all the time so I removed it as
> well.  Mozilla products are on my list of programs to avoid.
>
> I never switched to later versions of Microsoft Office because they became
> user unfriendly by taking away features I liked in the 2000 version.
> Actually I like Open Office better, which is free, but it doesn't have
> email
> software.
>
> I will look and see if I can turn them off, but I think the turning off
> should be done from those requesting the receipts.  I just think the two
> subscribers should be aware that some of us are getting these messages and
> they are unnecessary.  I belong to a number of other lists and never
> receive
> these so perhaps those email systems eliminate these messages entirely.
>
> Save the return receipts for the post office.  They hold up better in
> court
> than emails as I know from previous experience in court.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
> Behalf Of Gene Young
> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 1:47 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Read Receipt for Message
>
>
> William H. Boswell wrote:
>> I'm using the 2000 version which is very old so maybe that's why nobody
> else
>> is getting these.
>>
>
> I use Mozilla Thunderbird and it also has a means to ignore read
> receipts and I never see them.  Ignoring them is always the best policy
> as spammers and phishers will utilize them to verify a live email
> address which they then hammer and sell to other spammers.
>
> If you can not turn off automatic responses to read receipts in Outlook
> 2000 I would strongly suggest changing your email client to Thunderbird
> or any other client that allows this.  I suggest Thunderbird because it
> is free and works very well.
>
>
>
> --
> Gene Y.
> http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm
> Researching Young, Zies, Harer & Cox with
> Legacy Family Tree




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RE: [LegacyUG] Read Receipt for Message

[William H. Boswell]

I found it and turned it off in my old version of Outlook.  Sorry to be a
pain in the rear, but as was said it's also a way for spammers to find live
email addresses.  I have enough problems with my computer as it is and don't
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RE: [LegacyUG] Read Receipt for Message

[William H. Boswell]

I tried Thunderbird a couple of years ago and hated it.  Their web browser,
Firefox, was good until it kept crashing all the time so I removed it as
well.  Mozilla products are on my list of programs to avoid.

I never switched to later versions of Microsoft Office because they became
user unfriendly by taking away features I liked in the 2000 version.
Actually I like Open Office better, which is free, but it doesn't have email
software.

I will look and see if I can turn them off, but I think the turning off
should be done from those requesting the receipts.  I just think the two
subscribers should be aware that some of us are getting these messages and
they are unnecessary.  I belong to a number of other lists and never receive
these so perhaps those email systems eliminate these messages entirely.

Save the return receipts for the post office.  They hold up better in court
than emails as I know from previous experience in court.

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Gene Young
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 1:47 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Read Receipt for Message


William H. Boswell wrote:
> I'm using the 2000 version which is very old so maybe that's why nobody
else
> is getting these.
>

I use Mozilla Thunderbird and it also has a means to ignore read
receipts and I never see them.  Ignoring them is always the best policy
as spammers and phishers will utilize them to verify a live email
address which they then hammer and sell to other spammers.

If you can not turn off automatic responses to read receipts in Outlook
2000 I would strongly suggest changing your email client to Thunderbird
or any other client that allows this.  I suggest Thunderbird because it
is free and works very well.



--
Gene Y.
http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm
Researching Young, Zies, Harer & Cox with
Legacy Family Tree



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RE: [LegacyUG] Read Receipt for Message

[William H. Boswell]

I'm using the 2000 version which is very old so maybe that's why nobody else
is getting these.

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Kay Fordham
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 12:13 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Read Receipt for Message


Hi William,

I use Microsoft Outlook and have set my options not to notify me when a read
receipt is requested, as well as never send a read receipt. I never see
these notices. Don't know about Microsoft Outlook.

Kay

- Original Message -
From: "William H. Boswell" 
To: "Legacy Family Tree List" 
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:56 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Read Receipt for Message


> I've noticed recently that a few users are using the option requesting a
> Read Receipt for their messages.  While not a big problem, but unnecessary
> for a list such as this.  Usually this is used solely for the purpose of
> business emails and should be turned off.
>
> I'm surprised nobody else has noticed or said anything unless it's because
> I'm using a very old version of Microsoft Outlook.
>
>
>
>
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[LegacyUG] Read Receipt for Message

[William H. Boswell]

I've noticed recently that a few users are using the option requesting a
Read Receipt for their messages.  While not a big problem, but unnecessary
for a list such as this.  Usually this is used solely for the purpose of
business emails and should be turned off.

I'm surprised nobody else has noticed or said anything unless it's because
I'm using a very old version of Microsoft Outlook.




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RE: [LegacyUG] Computer Crash - Lost Legacy Program:

[William H. Boswell]

That's a coincidence!  My main data drive crashed Monday.  Fortunately, I
keep an external drive exclusively for old and new data where I also keep my
current genealogy data in case the main data drive dies.  I've been down
this road so many times before because you can't trust computers.

I would suggest if you don't want to invest in hardware for backing up to
CD/DVD's, you can get those USB memory sticks (sometimes called thumb
drives) for about $20 or less and backup your data to those.  They're also
very useful if you want to take your data with you.  They small and some
hold several gigabytes of data.

Bill
  -Original Message-
  From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf
Of Deborah K. Millemaci
  Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 11:40 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Computer Crash - Lost Legacy Program:


  My computer crashed Friday and and I lost all my files along with the
Legacy Program itself.  To make matters worse...I hadn't backed up my
files...so they are gone as well.  I have paper files that I can start from
scratch with...but what do I do about the program itself.  I have Legacy
version 6 and I know it was upgraded.  Do I reinstall Legacy 6.0 and then
try to upgrade at the Legacy site?? - Deb


  ~~
  Researching the Following Familiy Ancestors:


  Taylor Family From Carter County, KY
  (Taylor Branch - Willard)
  Hicks Family From Boyd County, KY
  (Ashland)
  ~~
  Millemaci & Arlotta Families from
  Montalbano, Sicily
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RE: [LegacyUG] Most have switched?

[William H. Boswell]

I really do like it.  It has many more features than the others I've tried.
I would have stayed with FTM, but they changed hands too many times and the
direction the company is going in now just isn't acceptable to me.

I just dread another year of cleanup which is what happened to me last year
with FTM2009.  You get it in and can't get it back out without a lot of
cleanup.  TMG and Legacy are the only genealogy programs I know that will
allow you to do a report for everyone in your file.  FTM will not and I
think it's intentional.  We should have the control over our data not the
software.

Bill Boswell

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Teresa Keough
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:27 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Most have switched?


I think you will like Legacy.  It is quite customizable and intuitive.  I
have found the tutorials and the Legacy book really helpful (I use the
computer version).  What was so bad about RM4 if I may ask.

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf
Of Laurie Nelson
Sent: Wednesday, 21 October, 2009 2:59 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Most have switched?

I've just switched from RootsMagic 3. Has anyone on the list done this? If
so, how much cleanup did it take? One of my concerns is that I lost 23 of
300 notes in the GEDCOM from RM3. I haven't tried to figure out yet which
ones I lost, since it looks like a daunting task.

I'm still not sure if I want to use Legacy, even though I love it so far. I
might decide to stay with RM3 since I've been using RootsMagic (and its
predecessor Family Origins) for about 10 years. I hate RM4 and GEDCOMMED
back to RM3, even though it meant some cleanup. If I decide to switch to
Legacy permanently, I'll definitely buy the deluxe version.

TIA for any help.

Laurie Nelson

--------------
From: "William H. Boswell" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:08 AM
To: 
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Most have switched?

> Suzanne:
>
> I had the same problem with TMG v7.  I did a direct import into TMG v7
> from
> FTM2009 because it reads the file directly.  When exported to a GEDCOM and
> imported into Legacy all the images transferred over, but there were
> zillions of duplicates and the locations list was a mess.  I ended up just
> doing an export from FTM to GEDCOM and, while the cleanup is still major,
> it
> isn't quite as bad.  A lot of my data from TMG was corrupt probably since
> it
> was reading from FTM.  FTM had my most current data.
>
> Bill Boswell
>
> -Original Message-
> From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
> Behalf Of Suzanne Scheraga
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 7:51 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Most have switched?
>
>
> I've recently switched to Legacy from TMG and have had a really hard time
> with clean up. I'm not all that experienced with either program so I may
> be
> having a harder time than you would. One of the interesting things I
> learned
> from this group is how Access can be used to modify the Legacy database.
> My
> advice is to work really hard at mapping your fields and learning if it is
> possible to use external tools like Access to correct anticipated
> problems.
> Since I have been working so hard on cleanup (and I have a very small
> project compared to yours), I wish I understood more about both software
> programs before the transfer. I'm sure I would have saved myself a lot of
> work.
>
> Suzanne
> Reddick, Florida
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 10/19/09, *  wrote:
>
> From: * 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Most have switched?
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 2:30 PM
>
> Bob, I am struggling with leaving TMG 7.04 now, mainly because of the
> tired,
> FoxPro-based interface.
>
> In the last few days, I have looked at GRAMPS, RootsMagic, Legacy, and FTM
> 2010, but Legacy is in the forefront for my new application.
>
>
> The problem for me is that I have 8,500+ individuals, many of which have
> WITNESS tags, which I understand do not import well.
>
> ~ Kat





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RE: [LegacyUG] Most have switched?

[William H. Boswell]

Before permanently making the switch, I would still keep RM current while
you're transitioning.  This means if you add new research material to Legacy
you'll have to do the same with RM.  A pain but I did that for years with
TMG and FTM until I finally stuck with one.  Unfortunately, I stuck with the
wrong one.

When you decide which one you want to stay with, then you can stop using the
other one.

Bill Boswell

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Laurie Nelson
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:59 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Most have switched?


I've just switched from RootsMagic 3. Has anyone on the list done this? If
so, how much cleanup did it take? One of my concerns is that I lost 23 of
300 notes in the GEDCOM from RM3. I haven't tried to figure out yet which
ones I lost, since it looks like a daunting task.

I'm still not sure if I want to use Legacy, even though I love it so far. I
might decide to stay with RM3 since I've been using RootsMagic (and its
predecessor Family Origins) for about 10 years. I hate RM4 and GEDCOMMED
back to RM3, even though it meant some cleanup. If I decide to switch to
Legacy permanently, I'll definitely buy the deluxe version.

TIA for any help.

Laurie Nelson

--------------
From: "William H. Boswell" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:08 AM
To: 
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Most have switched?

> Suzanne:
>
> I had the same problem with TMG v7.  I did a direct import into TMG v7
> from
> FTM2009 because it reads the file directly.  When exported to a GEDCOM and
> imported into Legacy all the images transferred over, but there were
> zillions of duplicates and the locations list was a mess.  I ended up just
> doing an export from FTM to GEDCOM and, while the cleanup is still major,
> it
> isn't quite as bad.  A lot of my data from TMG was corrupt probably since
> it
> was reading from FTM.  FTM had my most current data.
>
> Bill Boswell
>
> -Original Message-
> From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
> Behalf Of Suzanne Scheraga
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 7:51 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Most have switched?
>
>
> I've recently switched to Legacy from TMG and have had a really hard time
> with clean up. I'm not all that experienced with either program so I may
> be
> having a harder time than you would. One of the interesting things I
> learned
> from this group is how Access can be used to modify the Legacy database.
> My
> advice is to work really hard at mapping your fields and learning if it is
> possible to use external tools like Access to correct anticipated
> problems.
> Since I have been working so hard on cleanup (and I have a very small
> project compared to yours), I wish I understood more about both software
> programs before the transfer. I'm sure I would have saved myself a lot of
> work.
>
> Suzanne
> Reddick, Florida
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 10/19/09, *  wrote:
>
> From: * 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Most have switched?
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 2:30 PM
>
> Bob, I am struggling with leaving TMG 7.04 now, mainly because of the
> tired,
> FoxPro-based interface.
>
> In the last few days, I have looked at GRAMPS, RootsMagic, Legacy, and FTM
> 2010, but Legacy is in the forefront for my new application.
>
>
> The problem for me is that I have 8,500+ individuals, many of which have
> WITNESS tags, which I understand do not import well.
>
> ~ Kat





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RE: [LegacyUG] Run time error 32011

[William H. Boswell]

I always copy email text to Windows Notepad to get rid of any code that might 
be embedded especially from HTML emails then copy it into the notes for that 
source.  I don't know if that is part of the problem, but I find this very 
useful for getting rid of any formatting codes.

Bill Boswell
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  From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf 
Of aobmailbox144-leg...@yahoo.co.uk
  Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:56 AM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Run time error 32011


  I was recently pasting a couple of EMails into the text of a source.  Each 
time I got 
   
  Run time error 32011
  The operation cannot be preformed (sic) on protected text.
   
  I then pasted a sections of the Emails into the only part that crashed it was 
the From line but it was from one of my closest collaborators whose Emails I 
have used in source text many times previously.

  It has been OK since then but I wonder what was the cause of this error.

   
  

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RE: [LegacyUG] Most have switched?

[William H. Boswell]

Suzanne:

I had the same problem with TMG v7.  I did a direct import into TMG v7 from
FTM2009 because it reads the file directly.  When exported to a GEDCOM and
imported into Legacy all the images transferred over, but there were
zillions of duplicates and the locations list was a mess.  I ended up just
doing an export from FTM to GEDCOM and, while the cleanup is still major, it
isn't quite as bad.  A lot of my data from TMG was corrupt probably since it
was reading from FTM.  FTM had my most current data.

Bill Boswell

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Suzanne Scheraga
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 7:51 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Most have switched?


I've recently switched to Legacy from TMG and have had a really hard time
with clean up. I'm not all that experienced with either program so I may be
having a harder time than you would. One of the interesting things I learned
from this group is how Access can be used to modify the Legacy database. My
advice is to work really hard at mapping your fields and learning if it is
possible to use external tools like Access to correct anticipated problems.
Since I have been working so hard on cleanup (and I have a very small
project compared to yours), I wish I understood more about both software
programs before the transfer. I'm sure I would have saved myself a lot of
work.

Suzanne
Reddick, Florida



--- On Mon, 10/19/09, *  wrote:

From: * 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Most have switched?
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 2:30 PM

Bob, I am struggling with leaving TMG 7.04 now, mainly because of the tired,
FoxPro-based interface.

In the last few days, I have looked at GRAMPS, RootsMagic, Legacy, and FTM
2010, but Legacy is in the forefront for my new application.


The problem for me is that I have 8,500+ individuals, many of which have
WITNESS tags, which I understand do not import well.

~ Kat

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:46 PM, SgtBob  wrote:

I've used a number of genealogy programs  over the past 10-15 years as most
 of us have done and I have found that Legacy is about the most versatile
one I've ever used.  It has a learning curve to be sure, but I suspect that
you will be a spokesperson for it once you've used it for a while.  I've
been using it for a little over a year and am still learning all the
benefits it has.  Stay with it, you wont regret having learned to use it.




My only desire would be that an Apple version would be developed so I could
boot the Virtual Machine I have to run.  I do understand that that is
probably not going to happen due to the Access portion of the package - but
I'm staying with Legacy anyway. :-)




Bob



 Heather Stovold  wrote:

> Well I, for one, had switched...  I first used a genealogy program in
1988,

> and Legacy didn't exist at that point.  I was very careful about changing

> programs for a lot of reasons (including a couple of bad experiences.) -
but

> switched to Legacy a few years ago after being recommended by a friend
(and

> then I read reviews etc.)

>

> I think with a careful read, that you are correct - the person was

> indicating that any genealogy program is overwhelming if it is their first

> ever genealogy program - and that even making a switch can take a while to

> get used to the differences.    This is true in general of any computer

> program.

>

> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Ward Walker  wrote:

>

> > Well that's sad. Is it really true? People only turn to Legacy after

> > frustrations with other programs? I would have thought, after all these

> > years, that most of us went looking for a genealogy program and chose

> > Legacy, based on reviews, ads, free trials, etc.  Legacy is the only
program

> > I have used. I chose it about 12 years ago and found it quite intuitive,

> > relative to other (non-genealogy) programs I had used. (I realize Legacy
was

> > simpler then.) I have to skip over all the vague references on this list
to

> > FTM, etc., which are meaningless to me.

> >

> > I hope you are saying that _any_ first-time genealogy program can be

> > overwhelming, depending on one's general computer experience, rather
than

> > saying that Legacy, in particular, is overwhelming.

> >

> > I suspect that following this List can often be much more overwhelming
than

> > basic use of the program itself.  :-)

> >

> >  Ward

> >

> > - Original Message - From: "Michele Lewis" <

> > cranberryf...@charter.net>

> > To: 

> > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:00 AM

> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Lost and needing help

> >

> >

> > Mary,

> >> Is this the first genealogy program you have used?  I can see how it
could

> >> be VERY overwhelming to someone who has never used a computer genealogy

> >> program before.  Most of us have switched from other programs (and it
still

> >> can be a little daunting).

> >>

> >>

RE: [LegacyUG] Most have switched?

[William H. Boswell]

I agree with the new perspective.  While cleaning up my data file I'm
finding errors and people I haven't "visited" in several years, or those
that I need more information for.  It helps to do an audit of your data once
in a while to make sure people are connected the way they should be.  I
found one woman married to herself, but she wasn't listed twice in the
index.

Keeping tasks lists from two different programs hasn't helped.  The lists
get longer and often forgotten.  I'm merging them all together in Legacy
from PDF exports.

Bill Boswell

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Janis L Gilmore
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:38 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Most have switched?


Suzanne,

I switched from TMG two or three years ago, and with a database of only
around 4000, I had a lot of trouble with clean-up, too.

However, the switch coincided with jumping on a genealogy education track
(IGHR, NIGR, the NGS course, and so on), and as a result, the clean-up time
was also a profitable time for me. The clean-up garnered me a lot of new
perspective on old lines that I hadn't looked at for a while.

So it's not all bad!

Janis Walker Gilmore


On 10/19/09 7:51 PM, "Suzanne Scheraga"  wrote:

> I've recently switched to Legacy from TMG and have had a really hard time
with
> clean up. I'm not all that experienced with either program so I may be
having
> a harder time than you would. One of the interesting things I learned from
> this group is how Access can be used to modify the Legacy database. My
advice
> is to work really hard at mapping your fields and learning if it is
possible
> to use external tools like Access to correct anticipated problems. Since I
> have been working so hard on cleanup (and I have a very small project
compared
> to yours), I wish I understood more about both software programs before
the
> transfer. I'm sure I would have saved myself a lot of work.
>
> Suzanne
> Reddick, Florida
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 10/19/09, *  wrote:
>
> From: * 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Most have switched?
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 2:30 PM
>
> Bob, I am struggling with leaving TMG 7.04 now, mainly because of the
tired,
> FoxPro-based interface.
>
> In the last few days, I have looked at GRAMPS, RootsMagic, Legacy, and FTM
> 2010, but Legacy is in the forefront for my new application.
>
>
> The problem for me is that I have 8,500+ individuals, many of which have
> WITNESS tags, which I understand do not import well.
>
> ~ Kat
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:46 PM, SgtBob  wrote:
>
> I've used a number of genealogy programs  over the past 10-15 years as
most
>  of us have done and I have found that Legacy is about the most versatile
one
> I've ever used.  It has a learning curve to be sure, but I suspect that
you
> will be a spokesperson for it once you've used it for a while.  I've been
> using it for a little over a year and am still learning all the benefits
it
> has.  Stay with it, you wont regret having learned to use it.
>
>
>
>
> My only desire would be that an Apple version would be developed so I
could
> boot the Virtual Machine I have to run.  I do understand that that is
probably
> not going to happen due to the Access portion of the package - but I'm
staying
> with Legacy anyway. :-)
>
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>  Heather Stovold  wrote:
>
>> Well I, for one, had switched...  I first used a genealogy program in
1988,
>
>> and Legacy didn't exist at that point.  I was very careful about changing
>
>> programs for a lot of reasons (including a couple of bad experiences.) -
but
>
>> switched to Legacy a few years ago after being recommended by a friend
(and
>
>> then I read reviews etc.)
>
>>
>
>> I think with a careful read, that you are correct - the person was
>
>> indicating that any genealogy program is overwhelming if it is their
first
>
>> ever genealogy program - and that even making a switch can take a while
to
>
>> get used to the differences.    This is true in general of any computer
>
>> program.
>
>>
>
>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Ward Walker 
wrote:
>
>>
>
>>> Well that's sad. Is it really true? People only turn to Legacy after
>
>>> frustrations with other programs? I would have thought, after all these
>
>>> years, that most of us went looking for a genealogy program and chose
>
>>> Legacy, based on reviews, ads, free trials, etc.  Legacy is the only
program
>
>>> I have used. I chose it about 12 years ago and found it quite intuitive,
>
>>> relative to other (non-genealogy) programs I had used. (I realize Legacy
was
>
>>> simpler then.) I have to skip over all the vague references on this list
to
>
>>> FTM, etc., which are meaningless to me.
>
>>>
>
>>> I hope you are saying that _any_ first-time genealogy program can be
>
>>> overwhelming, depending on one's general computer experience, rather
than
>
>>> saying that Legacy, in 

RE: [LegacyUG] Favorite Features

[William H. Boswell]

I didn't know about the event clipboard.  That could be very useful instead
of having to re-enter the same event for several individuals.

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of S. Fry
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 5:45 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Favorite Features


The event clipboard would be a close second to the source clipboard, as far
as my favorites go. Both these features are great!

Sherry from Bowlegs, Okla.

- Original Message -
From: "Kirsten Bowman" 
To: "LegacyUserGroup" 
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 4:25 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Favorite Features


> Mary's "Lost" post reminded me of how many great tips and shortcuts I
> picked
> up from the LUG when I first started using Legacy.  Unfortunately new
> users
> sometimes don't even know the question to ask in order to find some of
> these, and LUG discussions lately seem to be far from basic.  My personal
> favorite is the Source Clipboard, and anyone who isn't using it should
> drop
> everything and read Legacy's Help > Index > Clipboard > Source.
>
> Would others like to mention their favorite feature or shortcut?
>
> Kirsten
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Most have switched?

[William H. Boswell]

I agree with you on TMG.  I've used it since Version 4 and at first liked
the layout compared to what was available at the time, but the outdated
FoxPro-based interface has to go.  I thought Version 7 was supposed to be
improved, but no difference.  TMG has a very high learning curve and you
really need to be a programmer to figure out the codes for printing reports.

I just dumped FTM 2009/2010 because of the direction the company seems to be
going in.  It's all about the subscriptions.  I'm still converting from the
2009 version to Legacy and believe me it's a real mess.  The reports are
very limited in the 2009 & 2010 versions.  It isn't for serious genealogy
although they do have a lot of nice features within these two versions.
Their last good version was FTM v16 before it switched hands to
Ancestry.com.  The software should be free since it's not a good investment.
I returned FTM 2010.  The latest version will supposedly allow you to
download your online tree from Ancestry.com to the software including photos
and notes.

Bill Boswell
  -Original Message-
  From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf
Of *
  Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 2:31 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Most have switched?


  Bob, I am struggling with leaving TMG 7.04 now, mainly because of the
tired, FoxPro-based interface.

  In the last few days, I have looked at GRAMPS, RootsMagic, Legacy, and FTM
2010, but Legacy is in the forefront for my new application.

  The problem for me is that I have 8,500+ individuals, many of which have
WITNESS tags, which I understand do not import well.

  ~ Kat


  On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:46 PM, SgtBob  wrote:

I've used a number of genealogy programs  over the past 10-15 years as
most  of us have done and I have found that Legacy is about the most
versatile one I've ever used.  It has a learning curve to be sure, but I
suspect that you will be a spokesperson for it once you've used it for a
while.  I've been using it for a little over a year and am still learning
all the benefits it has.  Stay with it, you wont regret having learned to
use it.

My only desire would be that an Apple version would be developed so I
could boot the Virtual Machine I have to run.  I do understand that that is
probably not going to happen due to the Access portion of the package - but
I'm staying with Legacy anyway. :-)

Bob

 Heather Stovold  wrote:
> Well I, for one, had switched...  I first used a genealogy program in
1988,
> and Legacy didn't exist at that point.  I was very careful about
changing
> programs for a lot of reasons (including a couple of bad
experiences.) - but
> switched to Legacy a few years ago after being recommended by a friend
(and
> then I read reviews etc.)
>
> I think with a careful read, that you are correct - the person was
> indicating that any genealogy program is overwhelming if it is their
first
> ever genealogy program - and that even making a switch can take a
while to
> get used to the differences.This is true in general of any
computer
> program.
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Ward Walker 
wrote:
>
> > Well that's sad. Is it really true? People only turn to Legacy after
> > frustrations with other programs? I would have thought, after all
these
> > years, that most of us went looking for a genealogy program and
chose
> > Legacy, based on reviews, ads, free trials, etc.  Legacy is the only
program
> > I have used. I chose it about 12 years ago and found it quite
intuitive,
> > relative to other (non-genealogy) programs I had used. (I realize
Legacy was
> > simpler then.) I have to skip over all the vague references on this
list to
> > FTM, etc., which are meaningless to me.
> >
> > I hope you are saying that _any_ first-time genealogy program can be
> > overwhelming, depending on one's general computer experience, rather
than
> > saying that Legacy, in particular, is overwhelming.
> >
> > I suspect that following this List can often be much more
overwhelming than
> > basic use of the program itself.  :-)
> >
> >  Ward
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Michele Lewis" <
> > cranberryf...@charter.net>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:00 AM
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Lost and needing help
> >
> >
> > Mary,
> >> Is this the first genealogy program you have used?  I can see how
it could
> >> be VERY overwhelming to someone who has never used a computer
genealogy
> >> program before.  Most of us have switched from other programs (and
it still
> >> can be a little daunting).
> >>
> >> ...
> >
> >
> >
> > Legacy User Group guidelines:
> >
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp
> > Archived messages

RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy Genelines

[William H. Boswell]

I also make backups of original program discs before I install from an
original just to make sure it works.
  -Original Message-
  From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf
Of Jim Walton
  Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:09 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Genelines


  Amen to that. And who are the worst at keeping our own counsel? Those of
us who work with computers every day and know better. One thing I will often
do with a downloaded program like this is to write it to a CD. That way I've
always got a backup of the original program. (This time I got smart and
sprang for the bundle which gave me a CD copy...)

  Jim



  On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:25 PM, William H. Boswell 
wrote:

Make sure you back it up afterward.  One thing I've learned many times
is
you can't trust hard drives.





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RE: [LegacyUG] Death Location

[William H. Boswell]

Even though I was raised a Catholic, I'm not thrilled with the idea of
cremation either.  After witnessing one in the basement of a funeral home,
the remaining bones were broken up with a sledge hammer and the smaller
pieces were put in with the other remains.  The rest were put somewhere and
probably ended up in the garbage.

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Kramer
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 2:15 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Death Location



On Oct 11, 2009, at 11:35 AM, howlanddavi...@aol.com wrote:

> Roxanne and others
>
> In a message dated 10/11/2009 11:12:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
maighe...@yahoo.com
>  writes:
> I had to laugh when I read this; my mom donated her body to the
> University of Rochester.  After a year or so, her cremains were
> returned to us.  She currently resides under my sister's couch.
> I've left the Legacy burial information blank.
>It's interesting to see that others have similar problems.  My
> father-in-law's cremains are on a wall shelf in my wife's studio
> while we try to figure out where to bury or scatter them (WV where
> he was born; OH (where he lived for many years or MO where a
> grandson lives who might visit the grave).  At that point,
> information will be entered into Legacy as to disposition.
>Someone that I met recently waited over a year to bury her
> husband's cremains because she did not like the setting at a nearby
> National Cemetery and they told her to wait a year until another
> section would be started.
>
> Howland Davis

I have heard many people say how they use the burial date to
substantiate the death date.  It will be really hard years from now to
verify things like this.  Maybe these situations will help us to
convince others to deal with cremains more quickly and reverently.

How horrible to think of spending eternity under a sofa or getting
destroyed in the trunk of a car during an accident!  I wonder if some
people get tired of having the cremains around and eventually throw
them in the trash.  I wouldn't be surprised in some cases.  What if
the car were sold with the cremains still there?  I think I'd want to
know what happened with the remains, but certainly they should be
given a respectful proper burial.  This is the reason why the Catholic
Church delayed approval of cremation for so long. Now they say that
cremation may only be done if the person still believes in the
resurrection of the body and provided that a quick and reverent burial
be done.  I never liked cremation and really didn't like it when I
heard that the larger bones don't burn up and are thrown away.  Now
I'm dead set again it.  Pun intended.

Ellen Kramer

Researching and loving Dorman, Kramer, Mirarchi, Procopio, Renninger
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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy Genelines

[William H. Boswell]

Make sure you back it up afterward.  One thing I've learned many times is
you can't trust hard drives.

Bill Boswell

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Diane Szabo
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 5:18 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Genelines


Good idea - I'll give that a try.
Thank you!
Diane

- Original Message -
From: "Robert Carneal USA" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Genelines


>I would contact sales first. Seeing you paid for it, they would want
> to keep you happy. Unless, there is a newer version out and they
> can't get you the older version for some reason. Sales has always
> helped me; they are pretty helpful.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Robert
>
> At 2009-10-11  02:35 PM, you wrote:
>>Hello.  Due to a major malfunction on my PC, I lost my Legacy
>>Genelines program.  I have my registration key, but can someone
>>explain what I need to do to download the program again without
>>having to pay - again - for my subscription?
>>
>>Please and thanks,
>>Diane Szabo
>
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Death location

[William H. Boswell]

I was wondering the same thing and am glad somebody asked it.  I have a
twist on one person: the person donated his body to a medical school, then
was cremated.  No idea where the cremains were buried.

I noticed you can't select both cremated and burial.  It's either one or the
other.  I think I have a separate event for cremations.

Bill Boswell
  -Original Message-
  From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf
Of Jim Walton
  Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:21 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Death location


  I have an uncle who died aboard ship during WW II. What do I put as his
death location? I currently have Aboard ship in South Atlantic.

  On a similar topic, what to do about cremation. They are cremated and
buried, but not necessarily on the same day. Do you just select cremated and
then use the date and place of burial? I guess the cremation could be
entered as an event, and then the burial record entered for burial. I really
don't think it's a critical issue, but I'm curious how others are handling
this.

  Jim





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RE: [LegacyUG] no name people

[William H. Boswell]

I just do Mr. or Mrs. and whatever the surname is and tell Legacy to ignore
it for that person.  Legacy has unknowns married to unknowns in my data file
which is a mystery to me.  Unknown children who died before they were named
or in childbirth are just listed as Child or Baby, or something like that.

Personally I've experienced problems with Legacy naming the wife or husband
as Unknown when I imported my Gedcom file.  When I tried to fix it, the
Unknown didn't go away and it was a pain to get rid of it.  Fortunately,
it's fixed now.
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  From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf
Of Heather Stovold
  Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 2:54 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] no name people


  you can leave the wife as unknown   and I would personally just have
the last name for the father - no unknown, or mystery, or anything like it
for the first name.


  On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Jane Sarles 
wrote:

I need to put parents, whose names I do not yet know, into my Legacy
program, so that I can get my ancestor and all her siblings together as a
family.  I have put in "Mystery Mayo" for the unknown father, but, since I
don't know either the surname or given name of his wife, I can't think how
to input it.  Advice?

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RE: [LegacyUG] Central Place for All Source Details (Citations)?

[William H. Boswell]

Thanks.  I'll try that.

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Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:22 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Central Place for All Source Details
(Citations)?


There is no central place to access all the details linked to a single
master source and amend them, en mass.
There is a report you can prepare to help you with finding where those
details are used however.
Go to View > Master Lists > Source
Click on options and select Print
There is an option there to print Master sources and all citations
(details) to each one. The sub option of include specific events will
list not only everyone in your file but also the events for each person.
By tagging Master Sources you can create a report for a group of sources
that will divide your project into manageable pieces.

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William H. Boswell wrote:
> I am still reorganizing my data in Legacy 7 and am finding it real time
> consuming for the Source Details that are linked to many people.  For
> instance, when I imported a GEDCOM from Family Tree Maker into Legacy, all
> of the Detail Text was put into Detail Comments.  I've been moving them
> manually, but many of them are linked to more than one person and finding
> them all is not an easy task.  These include source text from cemetery
> records and obituaries mostly, but are also census records.
>
> What I've been doing is editing one Source Detail, copying it to the
> clipboard, then pasting it back after removing the old one.  Is there a
> central place where I can access all of them, update one and have the
others
> update as it does for Sources?  If there isn't, this should be something
for
> the next version.  Of course, by then I will be done with this tedious
> project.
>
> I'm always afraid I'm creating duplicates of the same citation.  I hate to
> say this, but this was a lot easier in FTM 2009 but I'll never go back to
> FTM again.
>
> Bill Boswell



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[LegacyUG] Central Place for All Source Details (Citations)?

[William H. Boswell]

I am still reorganizing my data in Legacy 7 and am finding it real time
consuming for the Source Details that are linked to many people.  For
instance, when I imported a GEDCOM from Family Tree Maker into Legacy, all
of the Detail Text was put into Detail Comments.  I've been moving them
manually, but many of them are linked to more than one person and finding
them all is not an easy task.  These include source text from cemetery
records and obituaries mostly, but are also census records.

What I've been doing is editing one Source Detail, copying it to the
clipboard, then pasting it back after removing the old one.  Is there a
central place where I can access all of them, update one and have the others
update as it does for Sources?  If there isn't, this should be something for
the next version.  Of course, by then I will be done with this tedious
project.

I'm always afraid I'm creating duplicates of the same citation.  I hate to
say this, but this was a lot easier in FTM 2009 but I'll never go back to
FTM again.

Bill Boswell




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RE: [LegacyUG] Transcribing census errors?

[William H. Boswell]

There's not only errors in the actual census records, but if you've ever
done a search at Ancestry.com the indexes are worse.  That's why I always
transcribe from the records myself even though it does help to put the
misspellings as an alternate name just in case the misspellings are
consistent in other records.

Bill

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Behalf Of Mary Horner
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 3:35 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Transcribing census errors?


When the enumerator has made errors, most commonly in spelling the surname,
or when you are getting the info online where the transcriber has made
errors in interpreting the handwriting, do you copy into Legacy what is
actually there or what should have been there - the correct spelling? My
family has a unique name wherein anyone in Canada with the same spelling is
related and the spelling has always been consistent within the family going
back over 200 years, but the errors in census are amazing. I would never
have found the family had they not lived on the same homestead for 5
generations. When I finally found a census where the name was correct, the
enumerator was my great-grandfather!





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RE: [LegacyUG] Grave Photos--With Burial Event?

[William H. Boswell]

As I mentioned, I won't even bother with it.

Thanks for the warning.

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Dennis M. Kowallek
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 12:01 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Grave Photos--With Burial Event?


On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:25:03 -0400, "William H. Boswell"
 wrote:

>Is this where I should put all tombstone photos or is this for actual
photos
>of funerals?

It's for whatever you want to do with it.

Please heed Ron's advice about checking reports/web pages before
proceeding.

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RE: [LegacyUG] Grave Photos--With Burial Event?

[William H. Boswell]

I guess I'll keep them where they are.  I don't want to do it manually and
then find out it was a mistake.  I do enter cemetery locations and grave
locations only using that plus sign, but I also keep cemeteries in the
Location list as well.

Thanks,
Bill

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Ron Ferguson
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:39 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Grave Photos--With Burial Event?


William H. Boswell wrote:
>> I just noticed on the Individual's Information page on the Buried
>> line there is a place to add "Burial Pictures" by clicking on the
>> "+" sign at the far right.
>>
>> Is this where I should put all tombstone photos or is this for
>> actual photos of funerals?  I have a few of the latter, but more of
>> the former as is the case for most people.
>>
>> I have grave photos under their own event that is just called Grave.
>> I wonder if I should move them to the Burial Pictures area or does
>> it not matter?  If it does, is there a way for Legacy to
>> automatically or manually change from one area to another?
>>
>> Bill Boswell
>>

Bill,

I suspect that they will not print in reports nor appear in websites if
attached to the Burial Event. I am not certain of this as I do not attach my
tombstones using Legacy, but I would suggest that you check before
entering/transferring the lot.

There is not to my knowledge a convenient way of making a transfer.

Ron Ferguson
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[LegacyUG] Grave Photos--With Burial Event?

[William H. Boswell]

I just noticed on the Individual's Information page on the Buried line there
is a place to add "Burial Pictures" by clicking on the "+" sign at the far
right.

Is this where I should put all tombstone photos or is this for actual photos
of funerals?  I have a few of the latter, but more of the former as is the
case for most people.

I have grave photos under their own event that is just called Grave.  I
wonder if I should move them to the Burial Pictures area or does it not
matter?  If it does, is there a way for Legacy to automatically or manually
change from one area to another?

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RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events

[William H. Boswell]

No, Dennis gets all the credit.  I didn't know about it myself until he told
me.

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Jenny M Benson
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:08 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events


Dennis M. Kowallek wrote
>Yes, I see that in V7, but when I click on it it brings up a context
>menu with Print Preview, Print to Printer, and Print to File. In V6 you
>get a dialog which looks like...
>
>   http://kowallekfamily.com/temp/PhotoListOptionsDlg.jpg

You get that screen in V7, once you've made your initial selections and
clicked Print Multimedia List.

Big thanks to Bill for pointing out this feature which I had not
discovered before and which I know is going to be very useful.
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RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events

[William H. Boswell]

That's a good point about digest messages being hard to respond to, and 
sometimes they respond to the entire digest with all of the messages.  Scratch 
that idea.

Bill Boswell

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Mike Fry
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 4:58 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events


Dave Naylor wrote:
> On 30 Sep 2009  Mike Fry wrote:
> 
>> Ahem! What's the difference between reading a single digest message
>> that's very long and multiple, shorter messages?
> 
> *Every* message has to be read when it's a digest.  When they're 
> separate messages we can decide, based on the Subject or other data, 
> which ones to read.  Furthermore, some messages can be automatically 
> routed directly to the bit bucket based on their content, size, 
> format or writer   ;-))

Another disadvantage with Digest messages. People don't know how to 
reply to them. So they quote the whole message in their reply and forget 
to change the Subject.

Also, a lot of email software doesn't 'know' how to properly handle a 
Message Digest i.e. how to navigate through it, message by message. Good 
software would keep track of which 'bit' of the digest you were replying 
to and set up the reply accordingly (Subject and quoted matter).

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RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events

[William H. Boswell]

Thanks.  It works in Outlook 2000 as well.  I never even paid any attention
to the checkbox below the email field.

Bill

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Behalf Of Dale Warehime
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:57 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events


William:

In Outlook Express, select a name in your address book, then right click on
the name, next right click on Properties, in the properties window,select
the Name tab. In the lower left hand corner, place a check in Send E-mail
using plain text only box. Now select OK and you are good to go.

Dale


- Original Message -
From: "William H. Boswell" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:04 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events


> I'm using an old version of Outlook (2000) and never upgraded because the
> current Microsoft offering stinks.  I was wondering if I could do that,
> but
> probably not in this old version.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
> Behalf Of Jenny M Benson
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:23 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events
>
>
> William H. Boswell wrote
>>I didn't realize that we had to use "Plain Text" only.  Now that means
>>I have to keep changing back and forth with other non-list emails that
>>I use HTML for.
>
> I don't use Outlook myself, but I'm sure you'll find there's a setting
> for making all mails to a particular address (the LUG one in this case)
> Plain Text.
> --
> Jenny M Benson
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events

[William H. Boswell]

I'm using an old version of Outlook (2000) and never upgraded because the
current Microsoft offering stinks.  I was wondering if I could do that, but
probably not in this old version.

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Behalf Of Jenny M Benson
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:23 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events


William H. Boswell wrote
>I didn't realize that we had to use "Plain Text" only.  Now that means
>I have to keep changing back and forth with other non-list emails that
>I use HTML for.

I don't use Outlook myself, but I'm sure you'll find there's a setting
for making all mails to a particular address (the LUG one in this case)
Plain Text.
--
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RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events

[William H. Boswell]

Is Version 6 still available?

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Behalf Of Dennis M. Kowallek
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:24 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events


On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:58:28 -0400, "William H. Boswell"
 wrote:

>Unfortunately, it gave me one blank page even though the progress bar was
>counting many images.
>
>-Original Message-----
>From: William H. Boswell [mailto:whbosw...@gmail.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:48 PM
>To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events
>
>
>Thanks.  It's in Legacy7 Deluxe version which I'm using.  The button is
>called "Print Multimedia List..."  I was looking under Reports and didn't
>find it because I thought it would be there.

Yes, I see that in V7, but when I click on it it brings up a context
menu with Print Preview, Print to Printer, and Print to File. In V6 you
get a dialog which looks like...

http://kowallekfamily.com/temp/PhotoListOptionsDlg.jpg

So you might want to try V6. You can install both on your PC if you want
to. If you decide to install V6 side-by-side with V7, let me know and I
will post the instructions. Or you can get them from Sherry.
 
-- 

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RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events

[William H. Boswell]

Because when there many, you have to sift through them to find non-genealogy 
related emails.  I'm glad I don't subscribe to the TMG list anymore.  They get 
over 100 emails a day sometimes.

Bill

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Behalf Of Mike Fry
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:26 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events


William H. Boswell wrote:

> I do wish they have Digest Mode because this list gets a lot of mail.

Ahem! What's the difference between reading a single digest message 
that's very long and multiple, shorter messages?

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RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events

[William H. Boswell]

Thanks.  It's in Legacy7 Deluxe version which I'm using.  The button is
called "Print Multimedia List..."  I was looking under Reports and didn't
find it because I thought it would be there.

Bill

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Dennis M. Kowallek
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:33 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events


On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:45:55 -0400, "William H. Boswell"
 wrote:

>Is there a way print a report (PDF) that shows everyone in the file and at
>least the path/file name of the images associated with each person?

I just went back and looked at V6. They used to have, under
View|Scrapbook, a button for Print Picture List. It produced a report
that looked like...

>Multimedia File Locations
>
>-- Picture Filenames ---
>C:\Legacy60\Pictures\sample - 1957 Oct 09 letter to Virginia Larsen from
Mabel Hilton.jpg
>  Picture: Death: Source Detail: Reverend William C. BROWN [74]
>C:\Legacy60\Pictures\sample - 1957 Oct 09 letter to Virginia Larsen from
Mabel Hilton.jpg
>  Picture: Death: Source Detail: Clyde BROWN [1]
...

However, in my standard copy of V7 it doesn't print the same result. I
don't know if this is because I don't have the deluxe version, or
because the programmer's changed the report.

So if you wanted to, you could probably download V6 from Legacy's
website and load your GEDCOM into that. Then you could print a report of
all image files that Legacy knows about and what they are linked to.

--

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RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events

[William H. Boswell]

Unfortunately, it gave me one blank page even though the progress bar was
counting many images.

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From: William H. Boswell [mailto:whbosw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:48 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events


Thanks.  It's in Legacy7 Deluxe version which I'm using.  The button is
called "Print Multimedia List..."  I was looking under Reports and didn't
find it because I thought it would be there.

Bill




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RE: [LegacyUG] Where to input census?

[William H. Boswell]

Maybe I misread it, but they do have jurisdictions which are just as bad.
Some of the Special Populations Schedules (Pg. 288) show NARA microfilm
numbers in the Source List Entry.

I skipped the entire census part when I saw how confusing it was and more
work.  I figured one day when I get all my data together I'd reorganize it.
I'm glad I didn't do it in FTM after reorganizing my sources otherwise I'd
probably be doing it again.

Bill

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Kirsten Bowman
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:54 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Where to input census?


Bill:

I also have _Evidence Explained_ and have studied it pretty carefully but
have never seen a recommendation to break down census citations by film
roll.  Rather, Mills recommends grouping sources by author and title (for
books), collections (for manuscripts), geographical area, repositories, or
source type.  Film Series is just a recommended *element* of the census
source citation that is added automatically if you use Legacy's SourceWriter
template for the various censuses.

Kirsten

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Behalf Of William H. Boswell
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:05 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Where to input census?


I only create a main source for each items such as the census.  It is only
by year and then cited for each family with their own information.  That one
citation is used for each family member/event.

Other sources are just plain death certificate, birth certificate,
newspapers (for obits) by the name of the newspaper, etc.  I had renamed and
reorganized all my sources last year in FTM 2009 and removed/merged all
duplicates.  It was a nightmare that I don't want to repeat.

I know in Elizabeth Mills book, which I have, she lists that census records
should be broken down by each film roll, location, etc. which I find
impossible and probably impractical unless you want to spend the next 50
years redoing everything.  This is a good book to have since I have found
very good information for cemetery records and other sources.

I no longer use the census as an event because I hated adding it to hundreds
of people.  I only use the information as a source for events as Ron
mentioned.  I did the same for obituaries too and don't do it anymore even
though some still exist.

I wish genealogy programs would have an internal form for adding census
information that could be attached to source citations.  I've been waiting
for something like this for years.  I usually just transcribed each line and
do not always include all the information.  I figure I can go back to the
image source if I need more.

Bill

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Ron Ferguson
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:09 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Where to input census?


Mary,

In case you don't know, users tend to fall into two classes. "lumpers" and
"splitters". The former have few Master Sources and use the Detail Citation
to include the specific details relating to a given situation, whereas
splitters break their Sources down either geographically or by some other
system, however, I doubt if many splitters actually create a census Master
Source for each household.

I am an unreconstructed lumper and only have one Master Source for each
country, broken down into census years. So, I have Master sources for
England/Wales 1941, 1951 etc. and Scotland 1941, 1951 etc. At this point
there are other decisions to be made as to how much detail to include in the
Detail Source and I am not one of those who dogmatically follow Evidence
Explained and in particular I do not include details in the Source which are
included in the Event.

Perhaps I should explain that I do not have a Census Event, and only use the
a census as a Source. Thus I would attach a census source to a residence
event, occupation event, name, birthdate etc. Remember, that just because
there is a box in a form you do not have to put anything in it.

I am not suggesting that you should follow my practice, but I am simply
giving an illustration of one different way of doing things. As others have
said, the choice is yours.

Ron Ferguson

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- Original Message -
From: Mary Horner
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
Sent: 30 September 2009 05:44
Subject

RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events

[William H. Boswell]

I didn't realize that we had to use "Plain Text" only.  Now that means I
have to keep changing back and forth with other non-list emails that I use
HTML for.  I feel like I'm moving back to DOS days.

I do wish they have Digest Mode because this list gets a lot of mail.

Bill

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Ron Bernier
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:02 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events


This issue has been brought up innumerable times.  For reasons known
only to them, Millenia refuse to use software that will block
attachments and HTML.When they switched to a new server back some
months ago, I had hopes that they would finally address this ongoing
issue.  Instead, they just leave it to the staff to gently reprimand
anyone who "violates" the guidelines.  Those reprimands are usually
only after people complain about the violation.  Then of course, there
are those individuals who constantly (and intentionally) violate the
guidlines and belittle anyone who complains about it.  I honestly
believe the folks at Millenia don't want to offend anyone, so they
choose to ignore the risks associated with attachments and HTML email.

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Kris  wrote:
> That does it.  I'm outta here.  Not only did *this* gem arrive last
> night, but there's another thread where, every time I click on a new
> message, some stupid HTML background wallpaper shows up in my image
> viewer.
>
> I have *no* clue why the folks at Legacy insist on using this joke of
> a program to run their mailing list, but I'm not laughing anymore.
>
> On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:52:18 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>
>> I haven't sent too many but hope it works.
>
> It did.  It shouldn't have, but it did.  Good grief.
>
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Incorrect "today's date" on source details

[William H. Boswell]

Probably a dumb answer, but what about the clock on your computer?  Is it set 
for the current month?

Bill

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Behalf Of Peter W. Wielhouwer, Ph.D.
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:52 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Incorrect "today's date" on source details


I just clicked on the "Today's Date" button when adding a recorded date on my 
source detail, and the date came up as October 30, 2009 instead of September 
30, 2009. It was working correctly up until yesterday, and I updated to the 
latest build (7.0.0.109) earlier this morning. 

<>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< 
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RE: [LegacyUG] Where to input census?

[William H. Boswell]

I only create a main source for each items such as the census.  It is only
by year and then cited for each family with their own information.  That one
citation is used for each family member/event.

Other sources are just plain death certificate, birth certificate,
newspapers (for obits) by the name of the newspaper, etc.  I had renamed and
reorganized all my sources last year in FTM 2009 and removed/merged all
duplicates.  It was a nightmare that I don't want to repeat.

I know in Elizabeth Mills book, which I have, she lists that census records
should be broken down by each film roll, location, etc. which I find
impossible and probably impractical unless you want to spend the next 50
years redoing everything.  This is a good book to have since I have found
very good information for cemetery records and other sources.

I no longer use the census as an event because I hated adding it to hundreds
of people.  I only use the information as a source for events as Ron
mentioned.  I did the same for obituaries too and don't do it anymore even
though some still exist.

I wish genealogy programs would have an internal form for adding census
information that could be attached to source citations.  I've been waiting
for something like this for years.  I usually just transcribed each line and
do not always include all the information.  I figure I can go back to the
image source if I need more.

Bill

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Ron Ferguson
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:09 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Where to input census?


Mary,

In case you don't know, users tend to fall into two classes. "lumpers" and
"splitters". The former have few Master Sources and use the Detail Citation
to include the specific details relating to a given situation, whereas
splitters break their Sources down either geographically or by some other
system, however, I doubt if many splitters actually create a census Master
Source for each household.

I am an unreconstructed lumper and only have one Master Source for each
country, broken down into census years. So, I have Master sources for
England/Wales 1941, 1951 etc. and Scotland 1941, 1951 etc. At this point
there are other decisions to be made as to how much detail to include in the
Detail Source and I am not one of those who dogmatically follow Evidence
Explained and in particular I do not include details in the Source which are
included in the Event.

Perhaps I should explain that I do not have a Census Event, and only use the
a census as a Source. Thus I would attach a census source to a residence
event, occupation event, name, birthdate etc. Remember, that just because
there is a box in a form you do not have to put anything in it.

I am not suggesting that you should follow my practice, but I am simply
giving an illustration of one different way of doing things. As others have
said, the choice is yours.

Ron Ferguson

_

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http://www.fergys.co.uk
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http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/
For The Fergusons of N.W. England
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/


- Original Message -
From: Mary Horner
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
Sent: 30 September 2009 05:44
Subject: [LegacyUG] Where to input census?



I am a newbie to Legacy. I have a hugs amount of data gleaned from 7
Canadian census reports 1851-1911. Where do I input this info? I started by
pasting the household under Master Source notes with the 'Head' showing
everyone in the household and then each individual gets a single line under
detail in the source menu and then again entering each individual in events
but this seems so repetitive and will take forever. I am also concerned that
when it comes to printing reports the same census material is going to be
repeated over and over. Does Legacy have instructions somewhere as to how to
enter census info? All I can find is how to download a blank form. Thanks




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RE: [LegacyUG] Where to input census?

[William H. Boswell]

I find the source clipboard amazing and has solved my issue with linking
source images making the job a lot easier and faster.

Bill

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Kirsten Bowman
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:42 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Where to input census?


Mary:

Welcome to the list!  You'll probably find that you get at least three
different answers to just about any question you ask because everyone does
things differently and Legacy is so tremendously flexible.

In Legacy a census record can be a Source, an Event, or both.  Search the
Help section for Source, paying special attention to the section on
Citations and Clipboard.  Also search Help for Event and read those
sections.  Once you get the hang of it and learn to use the Source
Clipboard, citing a census source is just amazingly easy but there are
decisions to be made along the way.  After you read those Help sections you
should experiment with a census entry to see the results in whatever output
you want as a final result--whether book or report.  At that point you'll
surely have several more questions to send to the list.

Also, please be sure to send your posts in Plain Text.

Kirsten



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Mary Horner
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:44 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Where to input census?



I am a newbie to Legacy. I have a hugs amount of data gleaned from 7
Canadian census reports 1851-1911. Where do I input this info? I started by
pasting the household under Master Source notes with the 'Head' showing
everyone in the household and then each individual gets a single line under
detail in the source menu and then again entering each individual in events
but this seems so repetitive and will take forever. I am also concerned that
when it comes to printing reports the same census material is going to be
repeated over and over. Does Legacy have instructions somewhere as to how to
enter census info? All I can find is how to download a blank form. Thanks
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RE: [LegacyUG] Where to input census?

[William H. Boswell]

I wouldn't split up the census information by line for each person.  I did
that years ago and regretted it because I couldn't figure out who the head
of household was.

I'm new to Legacy too so someone else can give better information for doing
this.

Bill
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Of Mary Horner
  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:44 AM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Where to input census?



  I am a newbie to Legacy. I have a hugs amount of data gleaned from 7
Canadian census reports 1851-1911. Where do I input this info? I started by
pasting the household under Master Source notes with the 'Head' showing
everyone in the household and then each individual gets a single line under
detail in the source menu and then again entering each individual in events
but this seems so repetitive and will take forever. I am also concerned that
when it comes to printing reports the same census material is going to be
repeated over and over. Does Legacy have instructions somewhere as to how to
enter census info? All I can find is how to download a blank form. Thanks

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RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events

[William H. Boswell]

I did another import from FTM into TMG then an export to a GEDCOM that
includes the paths to all images.  I had to correct a lot of the paths in
TMG to get it to work.  Now when I bring in that GEDCOM it relinks most of
the images.  I only want to use that file to figure out which images go with
what person.

Is there a way print a report (PDF) that shows everyone in the file and at
least the path/file name of the images associated with each person?  I
couldn't find anything in Legacy Reports that would do this.  It only seems
to do it by one family.  Otherwise I'll just have to keep TMG open which is
okay, but I'd prefer to have a PDF report instead.  Legacy creates better
reports than FTM or TMG.

Bill

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of RICHARD SCHULTHIES
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:52 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events


I haven't sent too many but hope it works. These are (obviously) Swedish
church records. Using the Events, I can see that I have copies of each
document I need, and can print full page copies on a different report when
wanted.
Rich in LA CA



- Original Message ----
From: William H. Boswell 
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:40:59 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events

Rich:

I just want them linked to the data file for future reference.  I don't
think I want to print all the source images for census and similar records
except for maybe direct lines.  I was eventually going to put all the images
and reports on a disc to give to family members so they would have access to
the images as well.

It sounds like your way of doing it is better.  I would like to see an
example if not too much trouble and when you have the time.

Bill

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of RICHARD SCHULTHIES
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:50 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events


Example: If you have a Source of 1900 IL, Cook, Chicago, and ten different
pages with members of your family on each, then attaching all ten to the
source, only one photo will be showing, or if attaching to each detail (by
using events) then all ten photos will print. I put mine in events instead,
since that gives me room for personal notes. There are many choices, you
need to decide what you want the reports to com out as. I can send an
example if you want.
Rich in LA CA



- Original Message 
From: Dennis M. Kowallek 
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:30:07 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:02:38 -0400, "William H. Boswell"
 wrote:

>I'm only interested in the source images.  All the other images have been
>relinked in Legacy.
>
>You can link source images, but it's a little confusing as to where to do
it
>because there appears to be several places to do it.  The Picture Center
>seems the best place since you can assign it to an event for that person.

Images can be assigned to Sources *OR* Source Details (citations). You
seem to be confusing the two.

In either case though, you cannot assign images to Source or Source
Detail in Picture Center.

>I'll have to see if I still have the GEDCOM.

I was just curious if FTM exported anything regarding these images.
Maybe with a little manipulation, we could coax them out of the GEDCOM.

Probably not an option though since you seem to have gone far beyond the
import stage and would not wish to start over with the old GEDCOM (if it
were available and the image info was there).

--

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RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events

[William H. Boswell]

Rich:

I just want them linked to the data file for future reference.  I don't
think I want to print all the source images for census and similar records
except for maybe direct lines.  I was eventually going to put all the images
and reports on a disc to give to family members so they would have access to
the images as well.

It sounds like your way of doing it is better.  I would like to see an
example if not too much trouble and when you have the time.

Bill

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of RICHARD SCHULTHIES
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:50 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events


Example: If you have a Source of 1900 IL, Cook, Chicago, and ten different
pages with members of your family on each, then attaching all ten to the
source, only one photo will be showing, or if attaching to each detail (by
using events) then all ten photos will print. I put mine in events instead,
since that gives me room for personal notes. There are many choices, you
need to decide what you want the reports to com out as. I can send an
example if you want.
Rich in LA CA



- Original Message 
From: Dennis M. Kowallek 
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:30:07 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:02:38 -0400, "William H. Boswell"
 wrote:

>I'm only interested in the source images.  All the other images have been
>relinked in Legacy.
>
>You can link source images, but it's a little confusing as to where to do
it
>because there appears to be several places to do it.  The Picture Center
>seems the best place since you can assign it to an event for that person.

Images can be assigned to Sources *OR* Source Details (citations). You
seem to be confusing the two.

In either case though, you cannot assign images to Source or Source
Detail in Picture Center.

>I'll have to see if I still have the GEDCOM.

I was just curious if FTM exported anything regarding these images.
Maybe with a little manipulation, we could coax them out of the GEDCOM.

Probably not an option though since you seem to have gone far beyond the
import stage and would not wish to start over with the old GEDCOM (if it
were available and the image info was there).

--

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http://zippersoftware.com/ltools
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools



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RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events

[William H. Boswell]

I wouldn't want to have to redo everything.  I wish there was a way to just
import the link information just for the source images.  I am sending you a
new GEDCOM from FTM 2009 now.

Since The Master Genealogist reads native FTM 2009 files, I am importing a
new one now to see if it will generate a better source report.  FTM is
totally worthless and will not generate what I need.  TMG takes many hours
to import FTM files.

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Dennis M. Kowallek
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:30 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events


On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:02:38 -0400, "William H. Boswell"
 wrote:

>I'm only interested in the source images.  All the other images have been
>relinked in Legacy.
>
>You can link source images, but it's a little confusing as to where to do
it
>because there appears to be several places to do it.  The Picture Center
>seems the best place since you can assign it to an event for that person.

Images can be assigned to Sources *OR* Source Details (citations). You
seem to be confusing the two.

In either case though, you cannot assign images to Source or Source
Detail in Picture Center.

>I'll have to see if I still have the GEDCOM.

I was just curious if FTM exported anything regarding these images.
Maybe with a little manipulation, we could coax them out of the GEDCOM.

Probably not an option though since you seem to have gone far beyond the
import stage and would not wish to start over with the old GEDCOM (if it
were available and the image info was there).

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RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events

[William H. Boswell]

The Source is what's confusing me.  Would it be added to the Master Source
Picture or Source Detail Picture under Sources for each person?  Maybe my
definition of Source Citation isn't the correct one, but that's what they
call it in FTM 2009.

I guess it would go under Source and then link each family member to that
one image in the case of the census.  In FTM, the image is attached as a
source once and then can be connected to each individual that uses it as a
citation.

It took me about a year to clean it up in FTM and get rid of all the
duplicates.  I don't want to have to do it again if I end up doing this
wrong.  Also in FTM, you could show all of your external images at once,
select it and link it to each person's event.  I wish you could do something
like this in Legacy.

I know Legacy only uses links to external images which is what I've used for
years.  I just don't want duplicate links.  Legacy has much better utilities
than any other program I've used so maybe it can clean it up later.

Bill


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Behalf Of RICHARD SCHULTHIES
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:34 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events


Because Legacy does not add the photos to each person, but only the location
of the file of the photo, you can add multiple copies of a picture to
anywhere you see the icon. I add a family group shot of  40 + people, then
add another version of the photo, cropping only each to a head shot. Then
each person has 2 photos, the group and the mug.
You can include the census photo to the Source, and then add it also, to the
family members on it, and/or the event. It is hard to read but makes it easy
to view again.
Rich in LA CA



----- Original Message 
From: William H. Boswell 
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:48:18 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events

So in other words it's not a good idea?

Isn't this something that people would like to have the ability to do, or is
it better to just leave the source images out?

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Jenny M Benson
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 4:52 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events


William H. Boswell wrote
>I started to do this for the 1850 census then to test it attached the
>image to the birth event for this person.  I then closed out of the
>Picture Center, went to the person's source-citation (detail) to see if
>the image was attached under Sources, selected Birth then selected the
>Pictures tab.  For Source Detail Picture there was nothing there.  I
>hope this is making sense because I'm finding it very confusing and too
>many steps for something that should be fairly simple.

You did exactly what you said in your *first* sentence, not what you
looked for in your second!

You attached the picture to the Birth Event *not* to the Source Citation
for that Event.  You will notice that there is no mention of Sources in
the Picture Centre.

If you go to the Source Citation screen for any Event you will be able
to attach the picture there (or a sound, video or document file) and you
can add a Caption, a Description and a File ID.
--
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RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events

[William H. Boswell]

I'll have to see if I still have the GEDCOM.  I took FTM off my computer so
if I don't have the GEDCOM I'll have to reinstall it and export a new one.
I'm only interested in the source images.  All the other images have been
relinked in Legacy.

You can link source images, but it's a little confusing as to where to do it
because there appears to be several places to do it.  The Picture Center
seems the best place since you can assign it to an event for that person.
It will just take years to complete it and I'm not sure it's worth it.  I
might just create a spreadsheet or database and put the file names and
information in there for future use.

This process would be difficult in any program so I'm not blaming Legacy.  I
blame the makers of FTM because they made the process impossible.  Don't
switch to FTM because once you get your information and images in there you
can't export them out.  You're stuck.  Their media reports are useless too
because they don't include any notes.

Bill

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Dennis M. Kowallek
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:36 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events


On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:18:39 -0400, "William H. Boswell"
 wrote:

>I wish someone would
>improve GEDCOM so it brings in your image locations.  Relinking is a
>nightmare.

Did the FTM export contain any picture info? You can email me a copy of
the GEDCOM *privately* if you like.

--

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RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events

[William H. Boswell]

So in other words it's not a good idea?

Isn't this something that people would like to have the ability to do, or is
it better to just leave the source images out?

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Jenny M Benson
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 4:52 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events


William H. Boswell wrote
>I started to do this for the 1850 census then to test it attached the
>image to the birth event for this person.  I then closed out of the
>Picture Center, went to the person's source-citation (detail) to see if
>the image was attached under Sources, selected Birth then selected the
>Pictures tab.  For Source Detail Picture there was nothing there.  I
>hope this is making sense because I'm finding it very confusing and too
>many steps for something that should be fairly simple.

You did exactly what you said in your *first* sentence, not what you
looked for in your second!

You attached the picture to the Birth Event *not* to the Source Citation
for that Event.  You will notice that there is no mention of Sources in
the Picture Centre.

If you go to the Source Citation screen for any Event you will be able
to attach the picture there (or a sound, video or document file) and you
can add a Caption, a Description and a File ID.
--
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RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events

[William H. Boswell]

I finally found the place where the File ID is located, but I didn't find my
test ID number in there.  I looked through the PDF manual, which is greatly
lacking in any clues, and it said that the Picture Center would be better
for attaching a lot of images.  I entered the ID number there and it seems
to be working.  The entire process will take too long.  I wish someone would
improve GEDCOM so it brings in your image locations.  Relinking is a
nightmare.

Since I have so many to do I really don't know if it's worth the trouble
especially for census records.  As I said, I have most of them transcribed
and they are partially renamed so they are easy to find.  Ancestry.com names
files with a long number so renaming them is a must.

Bill

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Bruce Jones
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 1:23 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events


The Picture Center lets you attach pictures to an Individual,
Marriage, and to Events (including Birth, Christening, Death, Burrial)
BUT I don't think it can be used to attach pictures to Sources.
Am I wrong?

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 10:07 PM, William H. Boswell
 wrote:
> Some of you may recall I recently converted over to Legacy from FTM2009.
> Within FTM I had a large number of images such as census, obits, PDFs,
text
> documents and others that are attached to source-citations for everyone in
> my file.  This looks like it's going to be more work than it's worth, but
am
> wondering if there is an easier way to do this.
>
> I just finished linking all people and grave photos without any problems.
> Before I dumped FTM I printed out a number of reports to show what image
> file goes with which person.   Is it better to do it in the Picture
Center?
> When I was setting up the people and grave photos, I assigned a File ID to
> each image which is the file name minus the extension.
>
> I started to do this for the 1850 census then to test it attached the
image
> to the birth event for this person.  I then closed out of the Picture
> Center, went to the person's source-citation (detail) to see if the image
> was attached under Sources, selected Birth then selected the Pictures tab.
> For Source Detail Picture there was nothing there.  I hope this is making
> sense because I'm finding it very confusing and too many steps for
something
> that should be fairly simple.
>
> How can I add these images to sources without creating duplicates?  I
> noticed there is no place to apply the new File ID to a source.  What's
the
> point of assigning a File ID if you can't use it elsewhere?  I'm trying to
> limit duplicates and also not have to keep re-entering the same
information
> for each image.
>
> There has to be an easier way or should I just forget about doing this.
> Most, if not all, of the images were transcribed a long time ago but it
> would be nice to attach the images as well.  I know it'll take a long time
> especially since I have to keep switching back and forth between Legacy
and
> my "cheat sheet" PDF file generated from FTM.  This PDF is over 3,000
pages
> long so I really don't want to print it.  There are several thousand
source
> images as well.
>
> I do like this program better than FTM, but this seems to be a larger
> challenge than I expected.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Boswell
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[LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events

[William H. Boswell]

Some of you may recall I recently converted over to Legacy from FTM2009.
Within FTM I had a large number of images such as census, obits, PDFs, text
documents and others that are attached to source-citations for everyone in
my file.  This looks like it's going to be more work than it's worth, but am
wondering if there is an easier way to do this.

I just finished linking all people and grave photos without any problems.
Before I dumped FTM I printed out a number of reports to show what image
file goes with which person.   Is it better to do it in the Picture Center?
When I was setting up the people and grave photos, I assigned a File ID to
each image which is the file name minus the extension.

I started to do this for the 1850 census then to test it attached the image
to the birth event for this person.  I then closed out of the Picture
Center, went to the person's source-citation (detail) to see if the image
was attached under Sources, selected Birth then selected the Pictures tab.
For Source Detail Picture there was nothing there.  I hope this is making
sense because I'm finding it very confusing and too many steps for something
that should be fairly simple.

How can I add these images to sources without creating duplicates?  I
noticed there is no place to apply the new File ID to a source.  What's the
point of assigning a File ID if you can't use it elsewhere?  I'm trying to
limit duplicates and also not have to keep re-entering the same information
for each image.

There has to be an easier way or should I just forget about doing this.
Most, if not all, of the images were transcribed a long time ago but it
would be nice to attach the images as well.  I know it'll take a long time
especially since I have to keep switching back and forth between Legacy and
my "cheat sheet" PDF file generated from FTM.  This PDF is over 3,000 pages
long so I really don't want to print it.  There are several thousand source
images as well.

I do like this program better than FTM, but this seems to be a larger
challenge than I expected.

Thanks,
Bill Boswell




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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy use on Facebook

[William H. Boswell]

I'm having the same problem.  A lot of my cousins have joined Facebook and
know I have the family photo archives for many different lines and am the
only one who has put it together.  I'd prefer to post them on Facebook
because my FB page is not open to anyone but family and friends.  Putting
them on Ancestry.com isn't an option for me and never will be again.

I have my own server space, but most of my family hate using passwords to
enter.  It would be nice if FB would get their act together.  Re-entering
information is too time consuming.

You can create photo albums on FB and use their internal program to upload a
lot of images at once.  The bad part about it is you have to manually enter
all the names, dates, etc. afterward.

Bill
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Of Sue Bramley
  Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 8:40 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy use on Facebook


  Thanks very much for your advice William, Jim and Ward,

  It is a shame that there is not yet a good way to put family trees on
Facebook - the attraction of Facebook is that lots of relatives are already
on it and they would not have to join something else. I will keep pondering.

  Regards,



  Sue Bramley
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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy use on Facebook

[William H. Boswell]

Unless they fixed it, I don't think you can.  I've been trying to do it for
several months and the Facebook internal program just isn't there anymore.
You used to be able to upload a GEDCOM only.  Now you have to enter
everything in all over again.  Not worth it to me.

I wish they would fix this.
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Of Sue Bramley
  Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:27 PM
  To: Legacy mailing list
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy use on Facebook


  Dear All,

  I would like to put some family tree details on Facebook, limiting it to a
private group for my relatives on Facebook. Can I upload a gedcom or HTML
file created using Legacy to Facebook? I was thinking of using the Notes
area.

  Regards,


  Sue Bramley
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RE: [LegacyUG] Help required

[William H. Boswell]

Your last paragraph is exactly why I don't put anything on the C Drive.  I
reformat at least once a year if not more when things start getting
cluttered and causing problems.  Windows XP updates tend to bring more
problems than they solve.  I also use an external drive only for archiving
old stuff that is never online so unless I already have a virus in the
system, they are protected aside from Norton Anti-Virus.

I know some people probably never clear the old junk off their computers and
wonder why they have problems after years of clutter.

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Brian L. Lightfoot
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 4:37 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Help required


You and I (and probably many others) think alike on this. My data folders
reside on a totally different physical hard drive other than C:. I’ve been
doing it this way for quite a while and Legacy is perfectly happy with those
non-default locations. Personally, I dislike any program that invades the
root of my C: drive, such as the default C:\Legacy but maybe that's just me
being somewhat anal about keeping all related files and programs organized
together.

One additional caveat about using a different physical drive for the Legacy
data folder is that it tends to isolate the data away from virus and Trojans
which are usually programmed to wreak havoc with the C: drive. Whenever
necessary, I am free to format C: without losing or disturbing any data
files.


Brian in CA



From: William H. Boswell [mailto:whbosw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 11:02 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Help required

>I'm thinking that people don't save their data files to the same location
as the program--at least I don't.
 




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RE: [LegacyUG] More Major Problems With Legacy--Role Reversal

[William H. Boswell]

Ron:

I never merged a GEDCOM into an existing file.  That would be a nightmare
since things have gotten corrupt exporting from TMG.  I always import a
fresh GEDCOM and start from scratch.  This time I had Legacy ignore all
image links.  I think it works better that way.  I can relink them later.

Early this morning I relinked and updated my grave photo descriptions.  I'm
using that TMG-to-Legacy file to create a report of media items since FTM
will not cooperate and has limited reporting capabilities.  I'm going to use
that to copy and paste the information back into this new file when I get
around to relinking images.

I'm doing light cleanup now then I'm moving onto sources and locations.  I
wish I could import my locations from the old file to this one since I fixed
all of them.  If I could, I would have to go through and merge them.

I do like all the features that Legacy has that most other programs don't.
It's just going to take time to learn all of them and find things.

Bill
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Of Ron Ferguson
  Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:42 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] More Major Problems With Legacy--Role Reversal


  Bill,

  Have you done as suggested by others and loaded your GEDCOM, as
recommended, into a new Legacy file before merging it into your main Legacy
DB?

  Whilst I have never needed to load a large an FTM generated GEDCOM into
Legacy, I do know that those who have recommend this practice.

  Ron Ferguson
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- Original Message -
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To: Legacy Family Tree List
Sent: 22 September 2009 18:59
Subject: [LegacyUG] More Major Problems With Legacy--Role Reversal


After practically giving up on my last GEDCOM import into Legacy, I did
a new one that is just as messed up as the first.  I just discovered that I
have a person Marie G. Kelly who married Samuel E. Boswell.  I'm finding two
Marie Kelly's: one with a husband and one without.  She is not listed twice
in the index for some strange reason.  With the husband, she's listed as the
husband and her husband is listed as the wife.

When I tried to attach her husband, it said I couldn't attach a wife to
a female.  I'm am so frustrated with this transition from FTM 2009 that I'm
ready to say the hell with it.  Last night I updated all of the cemetery
photo information and relinked everything.  All grave images are linked, but
the other thousands will have to be relinked anyway because there's tons of
duplicates.

I wish someone would scrap GEDCOM and come out with a workable solution
to converting between genealogy programs.  It's getting so genealogy is not
fun anymore and not worth all this work.  It's more of a pain having to
relink over 8,000 images and I'm not a big fan of Legacy's way of organizing
images.  It needs improvement.

Ninety nine percent of my problem I blame on FTM 2009.

Bill Boswell
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RE: [LegacyUG] More Major Problems With Legacy--Role Reversal

[William H. Boswell]

I found that by accident.  I was afraid there were others like this that
were also reversed so I just re-imported a new GEDCOM file.  This one
appears to be okay.

Thanks

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Evert van Dijken
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:07 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] More Major Problems With Legacy--Role Reversal


You could try to Swap Husband and Wife ... in Legacy (menu Edit)

Evert

> have a person Marie G. Kelly who married Samuel E. Boswell.  I'm finding
two
> Marie Kelly's: one with a husband and one without.  She is not listed
twice
> in the index for some strange reason.  With the husband, she's listed as
the
> husband and her husband is listed as the wife.



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RE: [LegacyUG] To pdf or not to pdf

[William H. Boswell]

I think you're speaking of the permissions for sharing with people who are
only using the Reader.

I forgot to mention that I'm using the latest Adobe Acrobat software.  I
don't remember what the capabilities were of previous versions, or the
Reader since I don't use it.  I believe version 9.xx has more capabilities
that previous versions did not.

I like creating forms in the new version.  Version 8.xx and 9.xx allow you
to attach non-Adobe formats to your PDFs such as spreadsheets, documents,
etc.

Bill

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Ward Walker
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 2:35 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] To pdf or not to pdf


Bill,

Adobe Reader is able to add annotations to a PDF if the appropriate user
rights have been applied to the PDF. I suspect that the PDF must also be
created as interactive (not printform). Applying user rights might be done
by the software that creates the PDF, or even after the fact by software
such as Adobe Acrobat.

Previous posting to this list have suggested that certain third party PDF
readers can ignore user rights and perform some tasks that Adobe Reader
would restrict.

   Ward

- Original Message -----
From: William H. Boswell
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:49 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] To pdf or not to pdf


...
I guess it's up to the user as to what their preference will be later on
down the road when you have thousands of images/PDFs.  One big advantage of
using the PDF files is that you can add notes to the file that would
otherwise have to be added in the genealogy program.  I don't know if the
reader lets you do this since I use the full version.

Bill Boswell
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[LegacyUG] FW: More Major Problems With Legacy--Role Reversal

[William H. Boswell]

Forget my previous message.  I exported from FTM to a GEDCOM and had Legacy
ignore the image links.  I'm going to relink all the images later after I do
some cleanup.  The problem isn't there with this new import.  I just have to
stay away from The Master Genealogist importing of FTM2009 files then
exporting to GEDCOM.  It's messing things up royally.

I really need to read the PDF User's Manual I purchased a few weeks ago.

-Original Message-----
From: William H. Boswell [mailto:whbosw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 1:59 PM
To: Legacy Family Tree List
Subject: More Major Problems With Legacy--Role Reversal


After practically giving up on my last GEDCOM import into Legacy, I did a
new one that is just as messed up as the first.  I just discovered that I
have a person Marie G. Kelly who married Samuel E. Boswell.  I'm finding two
Marie Kelly's: one with a husband and one without.  She is not listed twice
in the index for some strange reason.  With the husband, she's listed as the
husband and her husband is listed as the wife.

When I tried to attach her husband, it said I couldn't attach a wife to a
female.  I'm am so frustrated with this transition from FTM 2009 that I'm
ready to say the hell with it.  Last night I updated all of the cemetery
photo information and relinked everything.  All grave images are linked, but
the other thousands will have to be relinked anyway because there's tons of
duplicates.

I wish someone would scrap GEDCOM and come out with a workable solution to
converting between genealogy programs.  It's getting so genealogy is not fun
anymore and not worth all this work.  It's more of a pain having to relink
over 8,000 images and I'm not a big fan of Legacy's way of organizing
images.  It needs improvement.

Ninety nine percent of my problem I blame on FTM 2009.

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[LegacyUG] More Major Problems With Legacy--Role Reversal

[William H. Boswell]

After practically giving up on my last GEDCOM import into Legacy, I did a
new one that is just as messed up as the first.  I just discovered that I
have a person Marie G. Kelly who married Samuel E. Boswell.  I'm finding two
Marie Kelly's: one with a husband and one without.  She is not listed twice
in the index for some strange reason.  With the husband, she's listed as the
husband and her husband is listed as the wife.

When I tried to attach her husband, it said I couldn't attach a wife to a
female.  I'm am so frustrated with this transition from FTM 2009 that I'm
ready to say the hell with it.  Last night I updated all of the cemetery
photo information and relinked everything.  All grave images are linked, but
the other thousands will have to be relinked anyway because there's tons of
duplicates.

I wish someone would scrap GEDCOM and come out with a workable solution to
converting between genealogy programs.  It's getting so genealogy is not fun
anymore and not worth all this work.  It's more of a pain having to relink
over 8,000 images and I'm not a big fan of Legacy's way of organizing
images.  It needs improvement.

Ninety nine percent of my problem I blame on FTM 2009.

Bill Boswell




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RE: [LegacyUG] Help required

[William H. Boswell]

I'm thinking that people don't save their data files to the same location as
the program--at least I don't.

I should have mentioned this would be for the advanced computer users
especially anything to do with the registry and after an uninstall not
before.
  -Original Message-
  From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf
Of Ron Ferguson
  Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:47 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help required


  Do *not* delete the program folder unless you have saved your Data folder
to another location. Not only does it contain your working file but also
your backup.

  In fact if you delete the program folder you will also lose *all* your
settings. I recommend that you do now follow this advice unless you know
exactly what you are doing.

  Ron Ferguson
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- Original Message -
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To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: 22 September 2009 15:53
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Help required


I would uninstall both, then reinstall Legacy 7.  If you have any
utilities that will "clean up" your registry you might want to consider
running them.  I do this after uninstalling anything as well as deleting any
configuration files that most uninstall utilities leave behind.  Such as
under Documents and Settings.  I also remove the folder for the program
because it can be left behind as well.
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Behalf Of Catherine Birch
  Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:37 AM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Help required


  I have been told that you are a help agency!

  Last year I installed Legacy 7 Deluxe.  I already had Legacy 6.

  I thought that 7 would have over ridden 6 but have had both since
then.  I recently tried to make a gedcom file in 7 but it will only come in
6.

  I have just uninstalled 6 but that has only removed the icon and the
uninstall feature.  Legacy 6 is still there.

  I went in to Add/remove programmes on the Control Panel but Legacy 6
does not show there, only y7.

  If you can help me get rid of 6 so I can make a gedcom file on 7 I
will be grateful.

  Thank you
  Catherine Birch
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RE: [LegacyUG] Help required

[William H. Boswell]

I would uninstall both, then reinstall Legacy 7.  If you have any utilities
that will "clean up" your registry you might want to consider running them.
I do this after uninstalling anything as well as deleting any configuration
files that most uninstall utilities leave behind.  Such as under Documents
and Settings.  I also remove the folder for the program because it can be
left behind as well.
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  From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf
Of Catherine Birch
  Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:37 AM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Help required


  I have been told that you are a help agency!

  Last year I installed Legacy 7 Deluxe.  I already had Legacy 6.

  I thought that 7 would have over ridden 6 but have had both since then.  I
recently tried to make a gedcom file in 7 but it will only come in 6.

  I have just uninstalled 6 but that has only removed the icon and the
uninstall feature.  Legacy 6 is still there.

  I went in to Add/remove programmes on the Control Panel but Legacy 6 does
not show there, only y7.

  If you can help me get rid of 6 so I can make a gedcom file on 7 I will be
grateful.

  Thank you
  Catherine Birch
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RE: [LegacyUG] To pdf or not to pdf

[William H. Boswell]

Suzanne:

I'm a huge creator of PDF files and have been for a number of years.  I used
to save and scan all of my sources to PDF files because I dislike having
tons of paper files.  Digital is better.  However, over the years when
incorporating them into genealogy software they can become quite heavy when
you have to use the external PDF Reader software to view them compared to
reading the images within the program.

PDFs are good for storing all kinds of data and in some programs like the
full version of Adobe Acrobat, you can save the PDFs as image files.  I did
that for a lot of census records that I couldn't find images for as well as
my own scans.  I recently converted most of my PDFs over to images because
they are smaller in size, but I still preserve the quality and resolution in
case I need to zoom into to read something.

My PDF source collection takes up about five DVDs because many of the files
are so large.  In contrast the images take up less than one DVD.  I still
use PDFs for multiple-paged documents because it just makes better sense
than having a bunch of images from the same source.

When I was using FTM 2009, I hated when the thumbnail showed the Adobe logo
in place of an image so I converted many of them over.

I guess it's up to the user as to what their preference will be later on
down the road when you have thousands of images/PDFs.  One big advantage of
using the PDF files is that you can add notes to the file that would
otherwise have to be added in the genealogy program.  I don't know if the
reader lets you do this since I use the full version.

Bill Boswell
  -Original Message-
  From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf
Of Suzanne Scheraga
  Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 8:58 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Subject: [LegacyUG] To pdf or not to pdf


I am confused about the advantages (or disadvantages) of attaching
documents instead of image files.

For example, I have some naturalization records saved as jpgs, and
others as pdfs. I like that the documents come up in the picture gallery
because I think it is almost as exciting to see a census record from 1910 as
it is to see a picture from that year. But multi-page documents must have
multiple images instead of one single file which makes it awkward. And I
understand that the documents cannot be included in a report.

Does anyone have suggestions as to the best way to solve this
dilemma?

Thanks from a newbie,
Suzanne



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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy8

[William H. Boswell]

When I put my mouse pointer over the file it shows Legacy 7.  I ran a Norton
Anti-Virus scan of the file, but it didn't find anything.  I'm going to
delete it.

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Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 4:02 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy8



I have absolutely no doubt that this report is at best spam and at worst a
scam. My advice - avoid like the plague!



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> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:44:10 -0600
> From: spa...@xmission.com
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy8
>
> Even if the link is good. I would think that Legacy 8 wolul
>
> bramapu...@web.de wrote:
>> http://www.LegacyDownload.com/Download/Legacy8/sng2/Legacy8Setup.exe
>> CYA Cindy
>> 
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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy8 - WARNING!

[William H. Boswell]

I downloaded it, but didn't install.  Should I delete?  Very strange that
there's isn't anything on the website about a version 8.

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Behalf Of Dianne Arnold
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 3:32 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy8 - WARNING!


I would avoid this link -- it looks very much like SPAM or Phishing.


Dianne Arnold
St. Paul, MN

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v 8???  Did I miss something?

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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy8

[William H. Boswell]

Why isn't there anything mentioned on their website?

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Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy8


http://www.LegacyDownload.com/Download/Legacy8/sng2/Legacy8Setup.exe
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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy Crashed Three Times and Lost Everything I Just Inputted

[William H. Boswell]

I dump the recycle bin on a regular basis.  I do have one backup from this
morning that is after the first crash, but before the major one that deleted
an image file and then wouldn't stay open without crashing.

I did an import of a GEDCOM file, but decided I didn't want to redo
everything I've accomplished since the beginning of this month.  Instead I
let the program verify and check things, then had it remove all linked
images.  I'll deal with the images later since they seem to be the source of
the crashes.  It only crashes in the media area of the program.  The images
should be relinked anyway because I was finding that unlinking and relinking
took longer since there were a lot of duplicates.  The one part I'm going to
hate the most is relinking all of the source images because many are
numbered as generated by Ancestry.com.  I do have a report of all images and
who they are attached to.  It's the very least that FTM2010 could
accomplish, but not as complete as I prefer (to include notes).

I could send you the zipped backup.  It has all of the image links to
external files so you might have a problem with that, or do you just need
the FDB file?

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Behalf Of Dennis M. Kowallek
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 6:35 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Crashed Three Times and Lost Everything I
Just Inputted


On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 18:10:14 -0400, "William H. Boswell"
 wrote:

>I deleted all the data files (except the backups) and removed it from my
>hard drive.

If they are still in your recycle bin, you could restore the bad file
and send it to me.

>I'm going to import a GEDCOM and hope the
>image links don't transfer.

Customize the import and tell Legacy not to import the OBJE tag.

***

I would still advise deleting your *.usr files. This will eliminate one
potential problem cause.

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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy Crashed Three Times and Lost Everything I Just Inputted

[William H. Boswell]

I deleted all the data files (except the backups) and removed it from my
hard drive.  Then I decided to just restore my system from about a week ago
and start over from scratch.  I'm going to import a GEDCOM and hope the
image links don't transfer.  I'd prefer to just relink them myself.

I think the problem might have started when I used The Master Genealogist to
import my FTM2009 file which reads FTM files without going the GEDCOM route.
I wish other software would do the same because GEDCOMs cut off a lot of
text in long sentences.  From FTM I exported another GEDCOM for Legacy to
read.  I don't trust using any previous backups since there might be
corruption problems in them as well.

I think some junk must have been included in the file that caused Legacy to
go crazy.  I'm not doing it that way this time, but because FTM2009 has it's
own issues I'm afraid I'm going to be stuck using it if Legacy decides to
keep crashing.  FTM2009/2010 will not give you a reasonable option for
exporting your entire file to a format other than it's own which is why it
is so limited.

I also understand that Legacy does not embed images.  I do not embed my
images and never have.  They are all external and always have been.
However, they are all in custom folders under one main folder.  Source
images are not mixed with photos of people or tombstones.  All these
genealogy programs want to put everything in one place so you have to sift
through thousands of images.

There was only one file as far as opening the wrong file so that isn't an
option.  The information was gone, but it was only the photo information
(transcriptions, date of photo, etc.) which was very time consuming to enter
because I had to use Microsoft Access and FTM2009 to get the information
from--until FTM started "acting funny" and I knew I had to close it or it
would reboot my system.  I'm used to it's peculiarities now and know when
it's going to crash and reboot.

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Dennis M. Kowallek
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:08 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Crashed Three Times and Lost Everything I
Just Inputted


On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 13:37:38 -0400, "William H. Boswell"
 wrote:

>I don't think
>these genealogy programs can handle a large number of images.
>
>I use external images anyway and have for several years.  I've never
>embedded images because they are useless outside of the software.

The images in Legacy are not "embedded". Legacy just stores the name of
the image file.

>Legacy did not save any of the information I did this morning as far as
>photos so no it doesn't save on the fly.

Legacy's underlying file is a Jet database. When you do something in
Legacy and click OK it gets saved immediately. If Legacy crashes 5
minutes later your change is still there.

>but everything I did related to photos this morning (about 5 hours
>worth) is gone.

I suspect you are looking at the wrong file. Make sure you are opening
the correct file.

If Legacy crashes at startup, go to your Legacy program folder and
delete the *.usr files. Then try restarting Legacy.

Feel free to send me your *.fdb file and I will try to open it.

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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy Crashed Three Times and Lost Everything I Just Inputted

[William H. Boswell]

The images are all located on an external hard drive.  I don't know why it
was looking in the E Drive except that most of my programs use the E Drive
for temporary file storage because there is nothing there.  It's a very
small drive.

I don't put any data on the C Drive because I don't keep data there for a
very good reason.  I do system restores or reformats at least once a year to
get rid of all the junk that Microsoft Windows Updates puts there.  If I
forget that I have data files on the C Drive then it will be gone unless I
remember to do a backup.

My computer is about six years old and if I could afford to upgrade or buy a
new one I would.  I wish I could get rid of this piece of junk (Sony--I'll
never buy another one).  It probably can't be upgraded anyway.  They'll say
I need a new one just to make a fast buck.  I do need a faster computer
though.

I guess you could say that my system is not the typical system where people
just pile years worth of junk on it and leave it there.  Data is backed up
the beginning of the year for the previous year then cleaned out.  If I have
to change my routine because of a piece of software then I'll change the
software especially one that deletes my files.  FTM2008 did that with all of
my media files and I immediately trashed it.

Software should not dictate where I choose to put my data files that's why I
have two separate data drives--both external and one is never connected when
my internet connection is live.  It's an archive drive and I don't put a lot
of trust in my Norton software because it has missed things before.

The only software problems I have are with programs that use external
programs such as Net Framework which conflicts with everything else that
uses it.  FTM 2008-2010 uses it and I've noticed that some Adobe software
uses it too.  The only thing I can think of, and discovered, that some older
programs use older versions of Framework that conflict with the newer
versions.

I downloaded LTools the other day, but still haven't installed it.

I'm going to do a new GEDCOM import into Legacy and just work with the data
for now.  I'll deal with the images later or might look for something that
can handle them better.  I think I saw something on the Legacy website that
works with media files.
  -Original Message-
  From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf
Of Jay at 1Familytree.com
  Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 1:16 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Crashed Three Times and Lost Everything I
Just Inputted


  Bill,

  I have over 10,000 images linked to events and persons in my Legacy
database and in over 5 years Legacy has only crashed once, and that was
several years ago.
  There are tools available from third parties such as LTools which can help
you batch process many records. You might want to contact Dennis at LTools
directly if you have some very specific tasks.  $50 saved me from entering
and linking over 3000 items (which probably would have taken a month to do
if I had to key it)

  When you get an error message, jot down the # and refer to the Legacy
support page online.

  You should probably get your computer checked out, it probably needs some
upgrading.  (and a side notewhy was Legacy trying to look for your image
in a E: drive ?  (which is usually a disk drive) Your data (images) should
be stored on the same drive as Legacy if possible, and always on a hard
drive and not a disk drive.
  Sounds like you have a conflict with some other program that is trying to
control/manage your images.

  I hope things work out for you.
  Jay




  From: William H. Boswell
  Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 9:57 AM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy Crashed Three Times and Lost Everything I
Just Inputted


  That's all I'm getting is error messages then it closes.  I managed to
save one before it closed:

  Error opening Picture Information work file.
  Error 3024: Could not find file 'e:\Temp\LG~0.dbm'.
  Would you like to TRY IT AGAIN?

  There was also a file with a DBM extension that was saved in the folder
where it deleted the image file, but when I went to locate it again it was
gone.  All of my exhibits are set at read only so why is Legacy deleting
them?  This is a similar problem I had with FTM 2008.  I wonder what else
got deleted.

  I removed the Legacy program from my computer and may try reinstalling it
again later.  I do have several backups from yesterday and one from today
(overwritten a few times because I stopped adding time to the backup--my
mistake now), but I've spent nearly six hours today fixing the images and
don't want to use a possibly corrupt backup.

  I think because the images were all attached in the GEDCOM from TMG to
Legacy, this might have caused the problem.  Because there

RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy Crashed Three Times and Lost Everything I Just Inputted

[William H. Boswell]

It's not the image.  I can view it just fine in Photoshop or Windows
Explorer.  The problem with FTM 2009/2010 was that it couldn't handle images
without crashing not just this one image.  Apparently, Legacy can't either.
I'm seriously considering just keeping the images outside of Legacy
including the source images which is going to be a problem.  I don't think
these genealogy programs can handle a large number of images.

I use external images anyway and have for several years.  I've never
embedded images because they are useless outside of the software.

Legacy did not save any of the information I did this morning as far as
photos so no it doesn't save on the fly.  In other areas perhaps as I
expected, but everything I did related to photos this morning (about 5 hours
worth) is gone.  I'm not even going to bother with restoring any backups
from this morning or last night because they're probably corrupt too.

I did run the check/repair things as well and they didn't do anything.  It
still crashed as soon as I opened it.


-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Kathy Shiell-Stokes
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 1:08 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Crashed Three Times and Lost Everything I
Just Inputted


William:
Have you tried opening that picture file in an imaging program such
as Gimp or Irfanview? If Legacy craps out on that file and FTM did on
the same file I would be tempted to think that the error may actually
be in that picture file and not with Legacy at allespecially
since Legacy does not incorporate picture files into itself the way
FTM. does. Legacy merely stores pointers to files...not  the files
themselves. Your data should be finelegacy saves data on the fly
not just at exit. To make sure of that I would go into legacy and run
a check/repair file twice. If you want to verify that the data has
been saved, check for the last name entered in your index
listI'll bet it's there.Please come back to us with the
results...There are a lot of talented people on this list...We'll
help you get it sorted.
Kathy
At 12:15 PM 12/09/2009, you wrote:
>Legacy may be going the way FTM is--gone.  I was trying to relink an
>image and it crashed deleting my original image file.  When I try to
>go back in and continue where I left off, it crashes again.
>
>I'm not bothering with this anymore.  It's too much work and if I
>can't get past the crashes I'm just wasting my time.
>
>Fed up with genealogy programs.
>
>Bill Boswell




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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy Crashed Three Times and Lost Everything I Just Inputted

[William H. Boswell]

That's all I'm getting is error messages then it closes.  I managed to save
one before it closed:

Error opening Picture Information work file.
Error 3024: Could not find file 'e:\Temp\LG~0.dbm'.
Would you like to TRY IT AGAIN?

There was also a file with a DBM extension that was saved in the folder
where it deleted the image file, but when I went to locate it again it was
gone.  All of my exhibits are set at read only so why is Legacy deleting
them?  This is a similar problem I had with FTM 2008.  I wonder what else
got deleted.

I removed the Legacy program from my computer and may try reinstalling it
again later.  I do have several backups from yesterday and one from today
(overwritten a few times because I stopped adding time to the backup--my
mistake now), but I've spent nearly six hours today fixing the images and
don't want to use a possibly corrupt backup.

I think because the images were all attached in the GEDCOM from TMG to
Legacy, this might have caused the problem.  Because there's way too much
work involved in cleaning up this file, it would be better to import a new
GEDCOM without image links since I have to do the relinking thing over
anyway.  Unfortunately, it also means everything I have changed in the lists
will also have to be redone.

Bill Boswell
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Of Sherry/Support
  Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:30 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy Crashed Three Times and Lost Everything I
Just Inputted


  Are you getting any error messages?



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  From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf
Of William H. Boswell
  Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 9:16 AM
  To: Legacy Family Tree List
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy Crashed Three Times and Lost Everything I Just
Inputted



  Legacy may be going the way FTM is--gone.  I was trying to relink an image
and it crashed deleting my original image file.  When I try to go back in
and continue where I left off, it crashes again.



  I'm not bothering with this anymore.  It's too much work and if I can't
get past the crashes I'm just wasting my time.



  Fed up with genealogy programs.



  Bill Boswell

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RE: [LegacyUG] Picture Center - Undo "Set Preferred"

[William H. Boswell]

Legacy is broken and won't load without crashing.  I've given up on it.
While I think it's a great program with a lot of features, I can't get past
the crashing especially when working with images.  If it won't cooperate
with the images, then I have no need for it.

I'm going back to TMG until something better comes along.  I just wasted the
last several days of work.  I'm not wasting anymore time with this.

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Linda McCauley
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:20 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Center - Undo "Set Preferred"


Another suggestion - import a test file of you data to Legacy and just
play around with it for awhile. Try entering information in different
ways and then checking various reports and the many options within
those reports to see how it looks, what you like and don't like. In
general, get familiar with all of the features. I did this for about 2
months when I moved from FTM v.16 to Legacy a couple of years ago and
I think it was time very well spent. During this time, I tried to
clicked on everything in Legacy to get a feel for what could be done.
Then after I felt comfortable with the software and had an idea of how
I wanted to set things up, I imported a clean file, tagged everyone in
the file with Tag 1 and started to work. I looked at each person,
added events and photos and made sure they were set up like I wanted
then deleted the tag so I knew I had finished that person. That took
some serious time (and I still have some cousins I haven't done) but I
started with my direct line and the siblings of my direct line because
they are the people I have the most details about.

As to your question about whether or not "Grave" is the best way to go
for tombstone photos - it's really just your preference. I added an
event "Grave Marker" (the event name doesn't really matter) to which I
attach tombstone photos. My main emphasis is a website and I wanted
the tombstone photo to be the last thing displayed on the person's
webpage.

Linda
www.lfmccauley.com


On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 11:38 AM, William H. Boswell
 wrote:
>
> This is a lot of work reorganizing all this stuff again.  I did this last
> year in FTM and it took almost a year.  However, Legacy has better output
> than FTM ever will.
>
> I'm wondering if my Grave field for individual tombstone photos is the way
> to go with this.  Somebody else said they put it under Cemetery.  I'm
> thinking later on when I want to print out a list of people buried in a
> particular cemetery I would like to have all this information included.
>
> I don't know enough about Legacy to figure out the best way to organize
this
> data.  Although cleanup has to be done.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
> Behalf Of Dennis M. Kowallek
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:03 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Center - Undo "Set Preferred"
>
>
> On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 07:47:23 -0400, "William H. Boswell"
>  wrote:
>
> >I figured out how to move the images from Individual to my Grave
> >position using the Pic Center.
>
> I don't think they will get printed from there in many reports, if that
> is a concern.
>
> --
>
> Dennis Kowallek (LTools)
> http://zippersoftware.com/ltools
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools
>
>



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RE: [LegacyUG] Picture Center - Undo "Set Preferred"

[William H. Boswell]

This is a lot of work reorganizing all this stuff again.  I did this last
year in FTM and it took almost a year.  However, Legacy has better output
than FTM ever will.

I'm wondering if my Grave field for individual tombstone photos is the way
to go with this.  Somebody else said they put it under Cemetery.  I'm
thinking later on when I want to print out a list of people buried in a
particular cemetery I would like to have all this information included.

I don't know enough about Legacy to figure out the best way to organize this
data.  Although cleanup has to be done.

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Behalf Of Dennis M. Kowallek
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:03 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Center - Undo "Set Preferred"


On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 07:47:23 -0400, "William H. Boswell"
 wrote:

>I figured out how to move the images from Individual to my Grave
>position using the Pic Center.

I don't think they will get printed from there in many reports, if that
is a concern.

--

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RE: [LegacyUG] Picture Center - Undo "Set Preferred"

[William H. Boswell]

That's a great idea.  It really isn't a big deal, I just don't want the
person's profile photo to be a tombstone.  I think I've figured that out
though.  I figured out how to move the images from Individual to my Grave
position using the Pic Center.

It's taking some time getting used to Legacy because there is a big
difference between FTM and Legacy.  For instance, sources can be viewed
instantly in FTM 2009 when you click on an event, name or anything else.
The way Legacy is set up to do this is very awkward to say the least and not
very efficient in my opinion.

I also found that when I converted my data over to Legacy, the photos and
information were duplicated for each time they were used.  I'm having to go
into the Picture Center's Picture List, select each image and re-enter the
information, remove the old image then relink to those same people.  I found
this out when I had to edit the text information (date, name, etc.) on one
individual and it didn't update for the others.

I think doing things over manually is the better option since I find other
errors along the way.

Bill Boswell

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Bruce Jones
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 5:52 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Center - Undo "Set Preferred"


What you could do is create a blank or dummy image and attach it in
the first position.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:12 PM, William H. Boswell 
wrote:
> I looked through the manual, but did not find a way to reset an image to
not
> be Preferred.  In other words, I have images of grave stones for people
that
> I don't want to include as their profile picture.  I also do not have a
> photo of these people.  Does the program automatically assign at least one
> photo as preferred?  I am in the process of moving a lot of tombstone
photos
> from Individual to my Grave category.  I just figured out how to do that
and
> noticed that a lot of these tombstones are set as the preferred image.
>
> Bill Boswell
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from Location

[William H. Boswell]

I left my street addresses alone even though there are a lot of
inconsistencies in them such as the same street number and name, but might
be listed as both southeast and northeast.

I also put my cemetery names back into locations and also use the burial
location (the plus sign to the right of burial date on the Individual's
Information page.

Bill Boswell

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Mary Young
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 5:36 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from
Location


Think seriously before moving Street addresses from Location. . It is
pointless doing all that work unless you get value from your time and
effort. So Test the Reports, try re-sorting the Master Location List -
is the output meaningful and helping you advance your research? Will
you get better results from "Location" or "Address"?
Everyone has their own slant, depending on their needs and the
character of their Family  File.
I have never used the fields for "Address", can't see the point! I
like everything in the one List.
It is worth reiterating, the "Four Field Standard"  was developed for
USA Locations and even there, it is a poor fit.
But Legacy is infinitely flexible, and allows 9  ( nine ) fields in
Locations. So my Locations include what's in the records, down to the
street and exact house number, sometimes 6 or 7 fields. When I "Sort"
or reverse the List, I can see everyone who lived in that street and
the house they occupied. Currently, I have 278 Trees in my Family
File. Many of these people will be duplicated and/or related, not yet
proved. Seeing where they lived - and who were the neighbours - can
throw up clues.
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[LegacyUG] Picture Center - Undo "Set Preferred"

[William H. Boswell]

I looked through the manual, but did not find a way to reset an image to not
be Preferred.  In other words, I have images of grave stones for people that
I don't want to include as their profile picture.  I also do not have a
photo of these people.  Does the program automatically assign at least one
photo as preferred?  I am in the process of moving a lot of tombstone photos
from Individual to my Grave category.  I just figured out how to do that and
noticed that a lot of these tombstones are set as the preferred image.

Bill Boswell




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RE: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information

[William H. Boswell]

This is how I've been doing mine.  It would be nice if genealogy programs
would provide a real template for enter the information.  I haven't checked
to see if Legacy has anything like that.

This isn't the greatest, but I just transcribe the more important things,
but also attach the image if I need additional information.  When doing
hundreds of these it's time consuming to transcribe everything especially
information that isn't really needed.  Besides, I never find much truth in
the census.

Allman, Margaret, Head, F, W, 52, Wd, Birthplace: CT (Parents: Ireland)
Allman, John A., Son, M, W, 29, S, Birthplace: DC (Father: DC; Mother: CT)
Allman, Daniel M., Son, M, W, 28, S, Birthplace: DC (Father: DC; Mother: CT)
Allman, James J., Son, M, W, 24, S, Birthplace: DC (Father: DC; Mother: CT)
Allman, Francis G., Son, M, W, 21, S, Birthplace: DC (Father: DC; Mother:
CT)
Allman, Bernard A., Son, M, W, 18, S, Birthplace: DC (Father: DC; Mother:
CT)
Allman, Leo M., Son, M, W, 16, S, Birthplace: DC (Father: DC; Mother: CT)
Allman, Rita J., Daughter, F, W, 13, S, Birthpalce: DC (Father: DC; Mother:
CT)
[1930 DC T626_296 Pg 11-B, ED133 Image 58, April 9, 1930; 127 12th Street
SE]

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Alan Jones
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:35 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information


I have seen many post about how to document/source Census information
and the different styles and to be honest I have not made up my mind and
won't till I have really done enough to decide.  What I have seen less
discussion of and really wanted to know more of is how to others
document the lines/columns in a Census or do you even bother?

1. In Legacy you have an event called Census.  What others enter do and
find works best and why for the related event fields?
  -Description:
  -Date:
  -Place:
  -Notes:

2. How do you enter specific fields such as in the 1900 US Census like:
   Relation, Color or Race, Attended School, Can Read, Can Write, Can
speak English, Owner or rented home, Farm or House .. or even my
favorite in the 1870 Census is "Whether deaf and dumb, blind, insane, or
idiotic.

Do you actually type "Can Read:" then Yes or No etc.? For each field?

Where do you put that info so it looks right and shows up.

3. Do you do anything different if they are Head of House Hold vs not?

4. If you find an occupation field do then also enter that information
into a new occupation event?  Same thing

This information sorta seems like source text, but that did not seem
like the best place to put it so it would show up "right" in most reports.

I could see how some would even put it in two places event and source
text and I don't mind doing that if that were the "best thing"

How do others handle all the fields and fun details so it shows right in
reports or do you just say they were listed in the Census and provide no
detailed information?

More details the better.

thanks for any all suggestions


Alan







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RE: [LegacyUG] PDF Manual Available?

[William H. Boswell]

I just checked the spam folder and it was the last item on the list meaning
that when I cleared the spam folder last night, it must have just come in
after that.  Both of the emails were in there.  I checked the spam folder
twice after ordering and didn't see them.  The first one was sent at 6:41pm
so I don't know why I didn't find it in the spam folder the first time
unless it was 6:41pm their time and not mine (eastern).

Thanks

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Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:43 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] PDF Manual Available?


William,

Did you finally get the email with the download information?  I contacted
Sales for you and she said your order came through 2:45 pm Arizona time and
the email was sent out to you at 3:41 pm Wednesday.

She resent the download message to you today shortly after lunch.

The original was probably in your spam folder.  It happens all the time that
the messages we send out automatically get filtered off to spam folders



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Of William H. Boswell
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:52 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] PDF Manual Available?

I still haven't received a link for the PDF manual.  Why aren't these
downloads available immediately?  The email says it is sent by the next
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RE: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from Location

[William H. Boswell]

I feel the same way about accuracy and recording locations as they were at
that specific time in history.

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of ronald ferguson
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:13 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from
Location



Bill,

As I have previously mentioned, it is standard practice, or at least the
most common practice, to record the address as that at the time of the
event.

I have, for example, in my records, Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England and
Saddleworth, Lancashire, England both locations being the same but after a
shift in the county boundary. Both are correct at their respective times.

I have a note to say they are the same place. I agree that it might look
messy, but it is accurate, and as far as I am concerned that is the
important point.

Ron Ferguson

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> From: whbosw...@gmail.com
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from
Location
> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:23:08 -0400
>
> That's what I'm thinking. It's best to use the original address not the
new
> one like FTM wants you to do and I never did that. Because you will need
> the original address for searches. Who really cares what's there now? At
> least I don't unless I want to do a before and after.
>
> I just have a lot of addresses that have SW and NW (examples) for the same
> street number and name. I'm very hesitant to change them because they are
> listed that way in records. DC streets always were a mess and still are.
>
> I'm not going to convert my addresses in the Place list to exclude street
> numbers and names to just city and state. To me that is not useful.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
> Behalf Of Art Seddon
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:52 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from
> Location
>
>
> Bill,
>
> An entry like this:
> 3553 SW Adams Street, Peoria, Peoria, Illinois, USA
> will take you directly to the location that I used to live at in the
1930's.
> It wont show the house, because it don't exist any more, and your notes
can
> show name changes. The street was called S. Adams then.
>
> Art Seddon
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: William H. Boswell
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 3:26 PM
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from
> Location
>
>
> ks for the tips. I really don't like the mapping feature anyway
> because, as you said, you can't plot the entire house number and street. I
> really don't care about the city unless to just verify that it ever
existed.
> I am not going to move the addresses, but already moved a few cemetery
> names--one for more than 200 people buried there.
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] PDF Manual Available?

[William H. Boswell]

They can wait until Friday anyway since I won't have time to use it at all
today.  I could have used it last night instead.  If not tomorrow next week
is okay.  I figured instead of asking a lot of questions here, I could read
the manual and figure it out for myself before I start making a lot of
mistakes and screw up my data.

Bill

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Sherry/Support
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:09 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] PDF Manual Available?


But not all of us, Robert!  All four support techs are still working as well
as the Sales department!  Just the programmers and Geoff are on the Legacy
cruise.

Thanks for using Legacy.

Sherry
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We are changing the world of genealogy!

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-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Carneal USA
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:21 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] PDF Manual Available?

It frustrating when you can't get it immediately especially when the
site says usually by the next business day, but please remember
Millennia is a small company. They are on a well-earned trip, I don't
think we can begrudge them that. I do agree there ought to a way that
satisfies Millennia of getting the purchases out quicker though.

Robert

At 2009-09-10  09:51 AM, you wrote:
>I still haven't received a link for the PDF manual.  Why aren't these
>downloads available immediately?  The email says it is sent by the next
>business day but usually sooner.




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RE: [LegacyUG] PDF Manual Available?

[William H. Boswell]

It should be mentioned before you hit the button to pay for it not
afterward.

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Robert Carneal USA
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:21 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] PDF Manual Available?


It frustrating when you can't get it immediately especially when the
site says usually by the next business day, but please remember
Millennia is a small company. They are on a well-earned trip, I don't
think we can begrudge them that. I do agree there ought to a way that
satisfies Millennia of getting the purchases out quicker though.

Robert

At 2009-09-10  09:51 AM, you wrote:
>I still haven't received a link for the PDF manual.  Why aren't these
>downloads available immediately?  The email says it is sent by the next
>business day but usually sooner.



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RE: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from Location

[William H. Boswell]

That's what I'm thinking.  It's best to use the original address not the new
one like FTM wants you to do and I never did that.  Because you will need
the original address for searches.  Who really cares what's there now?  At
least I don't unless I want to do a before and after.

I just have a lot of addresses that have SW and NW (examples) for the same
street number and name.  I'm very hesitant to change them because they are
listed that way in records.  DC streets always were a mess and still are.

I'm not going to convert my addresses in the Place list to exclude street
numbers and names to just city and state.  To me that is not useful.

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Art Seddon
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:52 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from
Location


Bill,

An entry like this:
3553 SW Adams Street, Peoria, Peoria, Illinois, USA
will take you directly to the location that I used to live at in the 1930's.
It wont show the house, because it don't exist any more, and your notes can
show name changes. The street was called S. Adams then.

Art Seddon


- Original Message -
From: William H. Boswell
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 3:26 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from
Location


ks for the tips.  I really don't like the mapping feature anyway
because, as you said, you can't plot the entire house number and street.  I
really don't care about the city unless to just verify that it ever existed.
I am not going to move the addresses, but already moved a few cemetery
names--one for more than 200 people buried there.




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RE: [LegacyUG] PDF Manual Available?

[William H. Boswell]

I still haven't received a link for the PDF manual.  Why aren't these
downloads available immediately?  The email says it is sent by the next
business day but usually sooner.


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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Michele Lewis
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:16 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] PDF Manual Available?


I too switched from FTM.  I started with FTM with their very first version.
I switched when they went to their new "look."  It was the best thing I
could have ever done.  Legacy is a much better program.  The first time I
ran the potential problems report I was SHOCKED!  Now I can run it with zero
errors.  My locations are completely uniform.  My reports print out
predictable and uniformally.

I too moved from the free version of Legacy to the complete version and at
that time I did get the user's manual.  It is well worth the extra money.  I
also invested in the companion videos which were VERY helpful.  You learn
all of the shortcuts and tricks.  I also bought the pdf "The Legacy Family"
by Mark Lang.  It is a great complement to the user's manual.

How much I spent for the program, pdfs and the videos is a drop in the
bucket compared to what I spend on genealogy in general :) :) :)  It was a
very good investment.

Michele Lewis, Staff Genealogist
McDuffie Mirror
Thomson, McDuffie Co, GA


- Original Message -
From: "Doris" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 8:04 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] PDF Manual Available?


Bill,

You will be happy you made the switch! I made the move to Legacy from FTM
2009. I am still "cleaning up". It is so much nicer to be able to include so
much more information for a more complete picture, so at the end of clean up
it will have been worth it. Sources is the area I could use seasoned users
suggestions on the organization of!

Doris

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf
Of William H. Boswell
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 1:59 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] PDF Manual Available?

Thanks.  I will probably purchase it this week.  My transition from FTM 2009
to Legacy is not an easy one and will take a long time to convert
everything.

I hope in the next version they have more options for importing other than
PAF and GEDCOM, but I know how other companies are about protecting their
code.  I'm simultaneously updating FTM 2009 at the same time as Legacy in
case I have to re-import again after screwing things up.

I used The Master Genealogy as a bridge between the two since it uses
GenBridge and can read FTM2008/2009 files.  I upgraded to FTM 2010, but it
is a lot worse than 2009 so I switched to Legacy and plan to dump FTM once
I'm finished cleaning up.

Bill

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Marilyn Clark
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 1:09 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] PDF Manual Available?


I purchased my PDF manual at the same time I upgraded from free Legacy 7 to
the Deluxe Version, about a month ago. I am sure one of the Millenia people
will help you get one.

Marilyn


--- On Wed, 9/9/09, William H. Boswell  wrote:

> From: William H. Boswell 
> Subject: [LegacyUG] PDF Manual Available?
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 9:18 AM
> Is there a PDF manual available
> online for Legacy 7? I looked in all the
> program folders and only found the help, but I prefer
> something that does
> into more detail.
>
> I am thinking more along the lines of the one that would be
> included with
> the software, but has to be purchased. Most software
> companies give you a
> PDF reference manual for free and allow you to purchase the
> printed version.
> Apparently this company doesn't do that.
>
> Since I have converted all my data over to Legacy 7 Deluxe
> from Family Tree
> Maker 2009, I have a lot of issues to clean up. I
> find a user's manual
> better than the in-program help because I can't seem to
> find what I'm
> looking for.
>
> Bill Boswell
>
>
>
>
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>






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RE: [LegacyUG] PDF Manual Available?

[William H. Boswell]

I just wish Legacy would send me the link to download the PDF manual I
purchased yesterday evening.  I thought it would be an instant download.  I
hope I don't have to wait until they're back from the cruise otherwise I
would have waited.

FTM is not for serious genealogy, it has limited reports, and is not for the
technically-minded genealogist.  I had too much trouble relinking my
external media files which caused it to crash and reboot my system after
about 15 minutes.  I gave up on it.  These companies need to stop using
Microsoft's Net Framework with their own software because it is the problem.
I actually liked parts of FTM 2009, but not the limited report output and
the constant crashes.  The images in the media section would actually move
around the page as I was trying to relink them then reboot my system.


-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Colin Liddell
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:10 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] PDF Manual Available?


You will not regret the move Bill, I too gave up on FTM and find Legacy a
much better program!

Colin.
  - Original Message -
  From: William H. Boswell
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:58 AM
  Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] PDF Manual Available?


  Thanks.  I will probably purchase it this week.  My transition from FTM
2009
  to Legacy is not an easy one and will take a long time to convert
  everything.

  I hope in the next version they have more options for importing other than
  PAF and GEDCOM, but I know how other companies are about protecting their
  code.  I'm simultaneously updating FTM 2009 at the same time as Legacy in
  case I have to re-import again after screwing things up.

  I used The Master Genealogy as a bridge between the two since it uses
  GenBridge and can read FTM2008/2009 files.  I upgraded to FTM 2010, but it
  is a lot worse than 2009 so I switched to Legacy and plan to dump FTM once
  I'm finished cleaning up.

  Bill

  -Original Message-
  From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
  Behalf Of Marilyn Clark
  Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 1:09 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] PDF Manual Available?


  I purchased my PDF manual at the same time I upgraded from free Legacy 7
to
  the Deluxe Version, about a month ago. I am sure one of the Millenia
people
  will help you get one.

  Marilyn


  --- On Wed, 9/9/09, William H. Boswell  wrote:

  > From: William H. Boswell 
  > Subject: [LegacyUG] PDF Manual Available?
  > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  > Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 9:18 AM
  > Is there a PDF manual available
  > online for Legacy 7? I looked in all the
  > program folders and only found the help, but I prefer
  > something that does
  > into more detail.
  >
  > I am thinking more along the lines of the one that would be
  > included with
  > the software, but has to be purchased. Most software
  > companies give you a
  > PDF reference manual for free and allow you to purchase the
  > printed version.
  > Apparently this company doesn't do that.
  >
  > Since I have converted all my data over to Legacy 7 Deluxe
  > from Family Tree
  > Maker 2009, I have a lot of issues to clean up. I
  > find a user's manual
  > better than the in-program help because I can't seem to
  > find what I'm
  > looking for.
  >
  > Bill Boswell
  >
  >
  >
  >
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  > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp
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RE: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from Location

[William H. Boswell]

I don't like it in the address field either.  It's handy to have the address
associated with the cemetery, but I'm thinking of having it in both places
or just remove it from addresses despite what that video says.

I don't like that when you look at a person's data you don't see what
cemetery they are buried in.  Unfortunately, I just converted over 200 of
them and will have to revert back.  I would do a restore, but I don't know
what else I did since then so I'll just do it manually.

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Mary Moyer
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 10:37 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from
Location


I agree with Ron, Jenny and Dennis. I spent many hours converting my
locations so the cemetery etc was in the address field, and I now regret
having done so. I'm slowly working my way thru thousands of addresses to
change it back again so the address is in the location field.

Mary




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RE: [LegacyUG] Grave Transcriptions and Photo--Where?

[William H. Boswell]

Mine is just listed as Grave under events too I think.  It shows the photo
and the transcription if there is one.

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of GeoSci
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 6:46 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Grave Transcriptions and Photo--Where?


Bill,

I use an EVENT called Cemetery.  That makes it easy to sort by a
particular cemetery - or Burial Place.  I also include the
Find-A-Grave ID# in the description - thus pointing to an image (or at
least a memorial).  I am certain others do it differently.  I just
like the freedom the an EVENT gives for reports, etc.

Keith

Surnames: McKain, Horn, Riale, Ulrich, Erisman, Leiphart, Reed and Henry

Website: http://home.comcast.net/~geosci64
EMail: geosc...@gmail.com
McCain-McKane-O'Kane DNA Group 1



On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:35 PM, William H. Boswell
wrote:
> I just ran into this while still cleaning up my data.  I have a custom
> category called "Grave" that I created in Family Tree Maker some time ago.
> This is usually where I attach photos of the grave, the date of the visit,
> and grave transcriptions.
>
> Ordinarily I would just leave this, but I'm still moving cemeteries over
to
> where they belong and want to get rid of all cemetery names from my Master
> Location List.  Something tells me I should not, but I'm only going by
what
> I saw in the online video.
>
> I don't think it should be attached to the burial event since these photos
> were taken many years later.  Is there a specific place grave photos and
> info. should go?  There probably is a place, but I haven't found it yet.
>
> Bill
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Grave Transcriptions and Photo--Where?

[William H. Boswell]

But the grave photos are just that.  Taken long after the event.  I do have
burial photos taken at the funeral so I assumed that's the photos that would
go with burial.
  -Original Message-
  From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf
Of mjmet...@aol.com
  Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 7:46 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Grave Transcriptions and Photo--Where?


  IMHO, I think you are taking the Burial event too deep [pun intended].
  Like Sources, the photos are a documentation, and at least as real as a
Sexton's records, etc.

  Mike

  Michael J Method
  family research of: Method, Feehily, Fredrick, Herzog, tenEyck, Belsley

  In a message dated 9/9/2009 7:26:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
whbosw...@gmail.com writes:
I just ran into this while still cleaning up my data.  I have a custom
category called "Grave" that I created in Family Tree Maker some time ago.
This is usually where I attach photos of the grave, the date of the visit,
and grave transcriptions.

Ordinarily I would just leave this, but I'm still moving cemeteries over
to where they belong and want to get rid of all cemetery names from my
Master Location List.  Something tells me I should not, but I'm only going
by what I saw in the online video.

I don't think it should be attached to the burial event since these
photos were taken many years later.  Is there a specific place grave photos
and info. should go?  There probably is a place, but I haven't found it yet.

Bill



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RE: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from Location

[William H. Boswell]

Thanks for the tips.  I really don't like the mapping feature anyway
because, as you said, you can't plot the entire house number and street.  I
really don't care about the city unless to just verify that it ever existed.
I am not going to move the addresses, but already moved a few cemetery
names--one for more than 200 people buried there.

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Linda McCauley
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:58 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from
Location


Bill,
Before you jump into changing everything, let me recommend that you
enter a few both ways then run some test reports and web pages (if you
are going to create a website) to see how they look to you. Also check
out how the information displays within Legacy - especially the
mapping feature. I prefer to have the full address in the location
field and also include the cemetery name in the burial location field.
Others on this list do the same. It seems to me a terrible waste of
the mapping feature to only plot a town when you could plot the exact
location. As far as I know, entering a full address or a cemetery name
in the location field does not cause any problems. One of the things I
like about Legacy is that there is often more than one way to do
something and you can find the way that you like best.

Linda


On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 1:54 PM, William H. Boswell 
wrote:
> I know this is going to be confusing which is why I can't find it in the
> Help of Legacy.  I looked at a tutorial online at the Legacy website and
> found that it was recommended that cemetery names be moved from the Buried
> field leaving only the city and state.  A spent a long time putting them
> there in FTM 2009 because it seemed appropriate, but I can understand why
> they shouldn't be there now.
>
> Multiple Questions on this one:
>
> 1)  I tagged all the cemeteries that need to have their name moved by
> clicking on the plus sign.  Is there a way I can first show all the tagged
> items and start moving cemetery names from there.  I can't find anything
> within the program that lets you show tagged items only so what's the
point
> of tagging if you can't?
>
> 2)  Should this be done for all locations including residences where the
> person lived?  I have a lot of those and just started, but didn't finish
> because I don't want to have to revert back with hundreds of them.
>
> 3)  Are mailing list addresses just for living people or residences where
> the person lived (i.e., census, death notices, etc.).  This question kind
of
> goes with item 2.
>
> 4)  Master List Location list:  only city and state?
>
> I'm finding this very confusing.  I think I'm going to have to purchase
and
> download the PDF manual then read the entire thing.
>
> Bill Boswell
>



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RE: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from Location

[William H. Boswell]

The only thing about doing it that way is that I'm afraid I will add
duplicates.  These people already have sources and citations with notes so I
don't want to create new citations if that's what you're talking about.

I still can't figure out where to use the tag feature.  I wanted to list all
the cemeteries I tagged, but I don't see any option to select only tagged
people or items.

I just ordered the PDF manual for this program, but unfortunately I might
have to wait until tomorrow to get it.  I'm used to immediate downloads.
  -Original Message-
  From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf
Of RICHARD SCHULTHIES
  Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 3:10 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from
Location


  I reccomend going to the Master Location List,  find a cemetery, choose
show people, tag all with a clean tag. Then add the burial address (which
you did cut and paste for), and change the location on that person. It takes
a while, ut I got fast at it after a while.
  Rich in LA CA



------------
--
  From: William H. Boswell 
  To: Legacy Family Tree List 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 10:54:00 AM
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from
Location


  I know this is going to be confusing which is why I can't find it in the
Help of Legacy.  I looked at a tutorial online at the Legacy website and
found that it was recommended that cemetery names be moved from the Buried
field leaving only the city and state.  A spent a long time putting them
there in FTM 2009 because it seemed appropriate, but I can understand why
they shouldn't be there now.

  Multiple Questions on this one:

  1)  I tagged all the cemeteries that need to have their name moved by
clicking on the plus sign.  Is there a way I can first show all the tagged
items and start moving cemetery names from there.  I can't find anything
within the program that lets you show tagged items only so what's the point
of tagging if you can't?

  2)  Should this be done for all locations including residences where the
person lived?  I have a lot of those and just started, but didn't finish
because I don't want to have to revert back with hundreds of them.

  3)  Are mailing list addresses just for living people or residences where
the person lived (i.e., census, death notices, etc.).  This question kind of
goes with item 2.

  4)  Master List Location list:  only city and state?

  I'm finding this very confusing.  I think I'm going to have to purchase
and download the PDF manual then read the entire thing.

  Bill Boswell
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RE: [LegacyUG] Download of Legacy 7

[William H. Boswell]

Did you check your spam folder?  I don't know if we're allowed to post it
here and I couldn't find it on the website.

You might have to do it again here:
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/DownloadLegacy.asp
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  From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf
Of smugg...@iinet.net.au
  Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 4:07 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Download of Legacy 7


  Hello
  I downloaded the above some time ago and still have not received the
password to install.

  Is anyone able to assist please.

  With thanks
  Anne

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[LegacyUG] Grave Transcriptions and Photo--Where?

[William H. Boswell]

I just ran into this while still cleaning up my data.  I have a custom
category called "Grave" that I created in Family Tree Maker some time ago.
This is usually where I attach photos of the grave, the date of the visit,
and grave transcriptions.

Ordinarily I would just leave this, but I'm still moving cemeteries over to
where they belong and want to get rid of all cemetery names from my Master
Location List.  Something tells me I should not, but I'm only going by what
I saw in the online video.

I don't think it should be attached to the burial event since these photos
were taken many years later.  Is there a specific place grave photos and
info. should go?  There probably is a place, but I haven't found it yet.

Bill




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RE: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from Location

[William H. Boswell]

I think I'm going to leave them alone.  I only "converted" a handful of them
and will move them back.

The other thing I just realized is that I have conflicts with addresses.
For instance, in DC there are the four quadrants (NW, SW, SE, NE).  I have
exact house and street numbers that use a SW and SE for example.  I am very
reluctant to check them out online and merge them for a very important
reason: doing so may not give me accurate results when searching records
online.  Also I have some addresses where the city name changed.  If I merge
to what is current now, I could possibly miss records that list the old city
name.

I know that Legacy has the Geo thing that is quite complex and will resolve
some of these and the addresses I have listed could be typos from obituaries
which I have all of digitally.

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of ronald ferguson
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:52 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from
Location



Bill,

I regret to say that you are likely to get many conflicting answers to this
one!

Personally, I only use the Address Fields as an address book - hence only
for living people. I include the full address in the Location Field, in
which I include House, and Street as well as Town, City, County, Country
(I'm from England).

Why? Mainly because the Address Fields do not appear in many reports. I also
find the mapping, in general, more accurate when the full address is in the
Location Field.

Whilst some believe in trying to get the use of the Address Fields improved,
I'm afraid I would rather adopt a pragmatic approach :-).

Ron Ferguson

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> From: whbosw...@gmail.com
> To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from
Location
> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:54:00 -0400
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I know this is going to be
> confusing which is why I can't find it in the Help of Legacy. I looked at
> a tutorial online at the Legacy website and found that it was recommended
> that cemetery names be moved from the Buried field leaving only the city
> and state. A spent a long time putting them there in FTM 2009 because it
> seemed appropriate, but I can understand why they shouldn't be there
> now.
>
>
>
> Multiple Questions on this
> one:
>
>
>
> 1) I tagged all the
> cemeteries that need to have their name moved by clicking on the plus
> sign. Is there a way I can first show all the tagged items and start
> moving cemetery names from there. I can't find anything within the program
> that lets you show tagged items only so what's the point of tagging if you
> can't?
>
>
>
> 2) Should this be
> done for all locations including residences where the person lived? I have
> a lot of those and just started, but didn't finish because I don't want to
have
> to revert back with hundreds of them.
>
>
>
> 3) Are mailing list
> addresses just for living people or residences where the person lived
(i.e.,
> census, death notices, etc.). This question kind of goes with item
> 2.
>
>
>
> 4) Master List
> Location list: only city and state?
>
>
>
> I'm finding this very
> confusing. I think I'm going to have to purchase and download the PDF
> manual then read the entire thing.
>
>
>
> Bill
> Boswell
>
>
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[LegacyUG] Moving Street Addresses and Location Names from Location

[William H. Boswell]

I know this is going to be confusing which is why I can't find it in the
Help of Legacy.  I looked at a tutorial online at the Legacy website and
found that it was recommended that cemetery names be moved from the Buried
field leaving only the city and state.  A spent a long time putting them
there in FTM 2009 because it seemed appropriate, but I can understand why
they shouldn't be there now.

Multiple Questions on this one:

1)  I tagged all the cemeteries that need to have their name moved by
clicking on the plus sign.  Is there a way I can first show all the tagged
items and start moving cemetery names from there.  I can't find anything
within the program that lets you show tagged items only so what's the point
of tagging if you can't?

2)  Should this be done for all locations including residences where the
person lived?  I have a lot of those and just started, but didn't finish
because I don't want to have to revert back with hundreds of them.

3)  Are mailing list addresses just for living people or residences where
the person lived (i.e., census, death notices, etc.).  This question kind of
goes with item 2.

4)  Master List Location list:  only city and state?

I'm finding this very confusing.  I think I'm going to have to purchase and
download the PDF manual then read the entire thing.

Bill Boswell




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RE: [LegacyUG] PDF Manual Available?

[William H. Boswell]

Thanks.  I will probably purchase it this week.  My transition from FTM 2009
to Legacy is not an easy one and will take a long time to convert
everything.

I hope in the next version they have more options for importing other than
PAF and GEDCOM, but I know how other companies are about protecting their
code.  I'm simultaneously updating FTM 2009 at the same time as Legacy in
case I have to re-import again after screwing things up.

I used The Master Genealogy as a bridge between the two since it uses
GenBridge and can read FTM2008/2009 files.  I upgraded to FTM 2010, but it
is a lot worse than 2009 so I switched to Legacy and plan to dump FTM once
I'm finished cleaning up.

Bill

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Marilyn Clark
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 1:09 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] PDF Manual Available?


I purchased my PDF manual at the same time I upgraded from free Legacy 7 to
the Deluxe Version, about a month ago. I am sure one of the Millenia people
will help you get one.

Marilyn


--- On Wed, 9/9/09, William H. Boswell  wrote:

> From: William H. Boswell 
> Subject: [LegacyUG] PDF Manual Available?
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 9:18 AM
> Is there a PDF manual available
> online for Legacy 7?  I looked in all the
> program folders and only found the help, but I prefer
> something that does
> into more detail.
>
> I am thinking more along the lines of the one that would be
> included with
> the software, but has to be purchased.  Most software
> companies give you a
> PDF reference manual for free and allow you to purchase the
> printed version.
> Apparently this company doesn't do that.
>
> Since I have converted all my data over to Legacy 7 Deluxe
> from Family Tree
> Maker 2009, I have a lot of issues to clean up.  I
> find a user's manual
> better than the in-program help because I can't seem to
> find what I'm
> looking for.
>
> Bill Boswell
>
>
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] PDF Manual Available?

[William H. Boswell]

I think a lot of companies are moving away from printed and PDF manuals
anyway and doing the Wikipedia thing.  That way, as you mention, they are
updated more frequently.

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Sherry/Support
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:37 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] PDF Manual Available?


Bill,

Legacy has never had a free PDF manual.  If you purchase Legacy with either
a printed or PDF manual, it's a bit more expensive than purchasing just
Legacy without the manual.

There are a lot of great Helps in the Legacy Help file (which is kept
up-to-date, unlike the manual which is not updated) as well as articles on
the website under the Help Center > Technical Support and Help Center > Tips
(both of which can be accessed through the Support section on the Legacy
Home tab in Legacy).

Thanks for using Legacy.

Sherry
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf
Of William H. Boswell
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 9:03 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] PDF Manual Available?

Thanks. I was looking for a free one as they used to be in PDF format, but
the price is pretty reasonable.  I'll probably go ahead and get this.

Printed and/or PDF manuals used to be included with the software.  I guess
they have to keep costs down.




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RE: [LegacyUG] PDF Manual Available?

[William H. Boswell]

Thanks. I was looking for a free one as they used to be in PDF format, but
the price is pretty reasonable.  I'll probably go ahead and get this.

Printed and/or PDF manuals used to be included with the software.  I guess
they have to keep costs down.

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Tim Rosenlof
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 11:46 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] PDF Manual Available?


William,
http://www.legacyfamilytreestore.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=1
It does come with a cost

Tim Rosenlof

William H. Boswell wrote:
> Is there a PDF manual available online for Legacy 7?  I looked in all the
> program folders and only found the help, but I prefer something that does
> into more detail.
>
> I am thinking more along the lines of the one that would be included with
> the software, but has to be purchased.  Most software companies give you a
> PDF reference manual for free and allow you to purchase the printed
version.
> Apparently this company doesn't do that.
>
> Since I have converted all my data over to Legacy 7 Deluxe from Family
Tree
> Maker 2009, I have a lot of issues to clean up.  I find a user's manual
> better than the in-program help because I can't seem to find what I'm
> looking for.
>
> Bill Boswell
>
>
>
>
> Legacy User Group guidelines:
>http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp
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>
>
>
>



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