Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Chick Lewis]

I created a master source called "Guesstimate" and use it as the name
implies...


On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 10:15 PM, grayscot2  wrote:

>
> That all sounds very responsible, but though our forebears
> probably were better at "calculating" ages for days, months and years,
> without computers, how accurate and conscientious were they?  No doubt that
> is allowed for in the term, calculated, but it's still our guestimate that
> they had the information and were rigorous in their calculation.
>
> >
> >Calculated -  determined or ascertained by mathematical methods.
> >Example: A Birth Date determined from a Date of Death and an Age at Death
> >given >in years, months and days using the date calculator.
> >
>
> >arry Lee
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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[grayscot2]

That all sounds very responsible, but though our forebears probably 
were better at "calculating" ages for days, months and years, without 
computers, how accurate and conscientious were they?  No doubt that is allowed 
for in the term, calculated, but it's still our guestimate that they had the 
information and were rigorous in their calculation.

>
>Calculated -  determined or ascertained by mathematical methods.
>Example: A Birth Date determined from a Date of Death and an Age at Death 
>>given >in years, months and days using the date calculator.
>

>arry Lee






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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Jay 1FamilyTree]

Valerie,

In the Legacy HELP guide under Dates> Approximate
the page of text explains fairly well what dates and prefixes you can use.
If you stick to that, you will be in good shape.




On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Valerie B Garton wrote:

> Oh dear. I started this thread and am now more confused than ever ?
>
>
>
> Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney
>
>
>
> *From:* Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 7 January 2014 4:53 PM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
>
>
>
> Bob,
>
>
>
> In your Legacy program go to View>Calendar
>
>
>
> And you will see at the bottom you can input dates and calculate the
> appropriate result.
>
>
>
> Jay
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Bob Austen  wrote:
>
> Thanks Kurt, I didn’t see this before my last email.  I can see, from your
> example, where one could ‘calculate’ the birth date (month, day, year)
> given that data.  However, If the Age at Death only gave ‘years’ then the
> birth could only be given as the year (about) and thus, not calculated.
>   Seems a very limited usage for the term.
>
>
>
> Larry Lee, excellent answer, thank you.
>
>
>
> Thanks List, probably enough press on this subject.
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> *From:* Kurt Kneeland [mailto:kurt-kneel...@sbcglobal.net]
> *Sent:* Monday, 6 January, 2014 8:02 PM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
>
>
>
> An example of a Calculated Date is a Birth Date determined from a Date of
> Death and an Age at Death given in years, months and days.
>
>
>
> *From:* Bob Austen [mailto:rgaus...@telus.net ]
> *Sent:* Monday, January 06, 2014 8:47 PM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
>
>
>
> Hi Jay,
>
>
>
> Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and when/how do
> the rest of you use the term?  I’ve not seen it used for another particular
> purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you understand it and what
> others are expecting to see by that.  Would you use ‘Est’  as a guess/fill
> in date?I also use FTM and the default is to change circa/cir/c/Est/ to
> Abt.  I want to differentiate between that terminology and my guess.
>
>
>
> I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will most
> often put in an estimated date or a range (also an estimate/guess) to
> better sort the individual.
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> *From:* Jay 1FamilyTree 
> [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com<1familytree@gmail.com>]
>
> *Sent:* Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
>
>
>
> Bob,
>
>
>
> You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not a
> calculated date.  Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a
> calculated date.
>
>
>
> However you use the program within your PC. and is best
> for you ..is great.
>
> But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take into
> consideration that others will never know you changed the expected data.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen  wrote:
>
> If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c)  I
> use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess.  In my file I know that a 'Cal'
> date was *my* guess and did not come from any other source.
>
> Bob
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
>
> I have now confused myself:
>
> Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890
>
> Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818
>
> Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 -
> source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of
> above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates
> assuming parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child
>
> Any more suggestions please ?
>
> Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Valerie B Garton]

Oh dear. I started this thread and am now more confused than ever ?



Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney



From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 7 January 2014 4:53 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt



Bob,



In your Legacy program go to View>Calendar



And you will see at the bottom you can input dates and calculate the 
appropriate result.



Jay







On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Bob Austen  wrote:

Thanks Kurt, I didn’t see this before my last email.  I can see, from your 
example, where one could ‘calculate’ the birth date (month, day, year) given 
that data.  However, If the Age at Death only gave ‘years’ then the birth could 
only be given as the year (about) and thus, not calculated.Seems a very 
limited usage for the term.



Larry Lee, excellent answer, thank you.



Thanks List, probably enough press on this subject.



Bob



From: Kurt Kneeland [mailto:kurt-kneel...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 8:02 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt



An example of a Calculated Date is a Birth Date determined from a Date of Death 
and an Age at Death given in years, months and days.



From: Bob Austen [mailto:rgaus...@telus.net]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 8:47 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt



Hi Jay,



Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and when/how do the 
rest of you use the term?  I’ve not seen it used for another particular 
purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you understand it and what others 
are expecting to see by that.  Would you use ‘Est’  as a guess/fill in date?
I also use FTM and the default is to change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt.  I want to 
differentiate between that terminology and my guess.



I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will most often 
put in an estimated date or a range (also an estimate/guess) to better sort the 
individual.



Bob



From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt



Bob,



You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not a 
calculated date.  Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a calculated 
date.



However you use the program within your PC. and is best for you 
..is great.

But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take into 
consideration that others will never know you changed the expected data.











On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen  wrote:

If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c)  I use Cal 
(Calculated) for my best guess.  In my file I know that a 'Cal' date was *my* 
guess and did not come from any other source.

Bob


-Original Message-
From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

I have now confused myself:

Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890

Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818

Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 -
source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of above 
child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates assuming 
parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child

Any more suggestions please ?

Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney



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RE: [LegacyUG] Updateing from Legacy 7 to Legacy 8

[David Abernathy]

Some email using some programs these items are added when converted to "plain 
text" that we ALL should be using.

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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Jay 1FamilyTree]

Bob,

In your Legacy program go to View>Calendar

And you will see at the bottom you can input dates and calculate the
appropriate result.

Jay




On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Bob Austen  wrote:

> Thanks Kurt, I didn’t see this before my last email.  I can see, from your
> example, where one could ‘calculate’ the birth date (month, day, year)
> given that data.  However, If the Age at Death only gave ‘years’ then the
> birth could only be given as the year (about) and thus, not calculated.
>   Seems a very limited usage for the term.
>
>
>
> Larry Lee, excellent answer, thank you.
>
>
>
> Thanks List, probably enough press on this subject.
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> *From:* Kurt Kneeland [mailto:kurt-kneel...@sbcglobal.net]
> *Sent:* Monday, 6 January, 2014 8:02 PM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
>
>
>
> An example of a Calculated Date is a Birth Date determined from a Date of
> Death and an Age at Death given in years, months and days.
>
>
>
> *From:* Bob Austen [mailto:rgaus...@telus.net ]
> *Sent:* Monday, January 06, 2014 8:47 PM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
>
>
>
> Hi Jay,
>
>
>
> Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and when/how do
> the rest of you use the term?  I’ve not seen it used for another particular
> purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you understand it and what
> others are expecting to see by that.  Would you use ‘Est’  as a guess/fill
> in date?I also use FTM and the default is to change circa/cir/c/Est/ to
> Abt.  I want to differentiate between that terminology and my guess.
>
>
>
> I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will most
> often put in an estimated date or a range (also an estimate/guess) to
> better sort the individual.
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> *From:* Jay 1FamilyTree 
> [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com<1familytree@gmail.com>]
>
> *Sent:* Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
>
>
>
> Bob,
>
>
>
> You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not a
> calculated date.  Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a
> calculated date.
>
>
>
> However you use the program within your PC. and is best
> for you ..is great.
>
> But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take into
> consideration that others will never know you changed the expected data.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen  wrote:
>
> If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c)  I
> use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess.  In my file I know that a 'Cal'
> date was *my* guess and did not come from any other source.
>
> Bob
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
>
> I have now confused myself:
>
> Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890
>
> Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818
>
> Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 -
> source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of
> above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates
> assuming parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child
>
> Any more suggestions please ?
>
> Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[David Abernathy]

One could also use the term "SWAG".
Scientific, Wild, Ars, Guess

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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Jay 1FamilyTree]

Bob,

In the example you provided I would think that either Abt. or Cir. (Circa)
would both work fine.

They both imply that the actual date should be around that time.

Remember, your basing her age of 21 as someone else "estimation"
or did the other person have "specific" data to know her true age.

Maybe she was 25 but looked 21?

As a general rule of thumb I use the about in almost all circumstances,
I do use Circa, but that is usually only for implication of a date for a
spouse.


There are no black and white rules here, but it is best to try to avoid
potential confusion in consideration that many persons who
eventually will see, use, save, share your data
may not be privy to your specific instances of how you applied each term.


Jay




On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:42 PM, Bob Austen  wrote:

> I regard Circa or About as an approximate date based on supplied data of
> some significance - say a census, birth/death/marriage certificate - where
> the date can be closely determined.  Example, if a marriage took place in
> 1921 and the bride's age was shown as 21 years one could assume her birth
> to be "about" 1900 (likely 1899-1900). I would enter this as "c 1900".  Her
> birth would be expected to be at least 21 years, and not more than 22
> years, prior to the marriage date. She could have been born in 1899!  Did I
> "calculate" this date?  No... I determined/derived her birth based on the
> given data.  "Calculate" must have a more significant meaning than simple
> addition (math).
>
> So I am looking for an acceptable, cross platform (other programs), term
> that I can simply put in as an approximate date (guess/best estimate) that
> won't be misinterpreted by others viewing my data.  Apparently "Est" is not
> acceptable and it seems that "Calculated" has a specific meaning of which I
> am not privy to.  I would like to know what that meaning is and the
> accepted norm for its usage.  Sorry, I really am at a loss on this,
> especially when it seems everyone else will assume Cal to be a calculated
> date.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JV Leavitt [mailto:jleavi...@att.net]
> Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 7:27 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
>
> As one of the "rest of you," allow me to pipe in here.  I suppose an
> honest, though humorous entry would be "guess" instead of Estimated, but
> Estimated means the same to me anyway. Moreover, I have come to regard the
> term about, or abt to mean 'guess,' since, most of the time, you find it to
> have been a (wild) guess. Sometimes it is based on an often used formula,
> but isn't that also a guess? I rather like using the term Estimated. I must
> admit that I've used Est as an abbreviation for that, but since I've
> learned from this list that some of you think that Est means Established, I
> will, in the future, spell it out. 
>
> Joseph Leavitt
>
>
>
> On 1/6/2014 6:46 PM, Bob Austen wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jay,
> >
> > Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and
> > when/how do the rest of you use the term?  I’ve not seen it used for
> > another particular purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you
> > understand it and what others are expecting to see by that.  Would you
> use ‘Est’
> >  as a guess/fill in date?I also use FTM and the default is to
> > change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt.  I want to differentiate between that
> > terminology and my guess.
> >
> > I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will
> > most often put in an estimated date or a range (also an
> > estimate/guess) to better sort the individual.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > *From:*Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
> > *Sent:* Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM
> > *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
> >
> > Bob,
> >
> > You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not
> > a calculated date.  Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a
> > calculated date.
> >
> > However you use the program within your PC. and is
> > best for you ..is great.
> >
> > But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take
> > into consideration that others will never know you changed the
> > expected data.
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen  > > wrote:
> >
> > If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c)
> > I use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess.  In my file I know that a
> > 'Cal' date was *my* guess and did not come from any other source.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com
> > ]
> > Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> > 
> > Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
> >
> 

RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Bob Austen]

Many thanks, I see the significance.





From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 9:43 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt



A Calculated date would most usually be a date of birth that is calculated from 
the date of death as some times stated on older death records.



Like a person who died on Nov. 4, 1975 and his tombstone reads aged 51 Years, 9 
Months 18 days.

Since there is no birth record to substantiate an exact date, the date should 
be listed as Cal. Jan 22, 1824.







Many young infants who have death records and no birth records can be found are 
often using a calculated birth date based upon the age notaded in the death 
register.



On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Bob Austen  wrote:

Hi Jay,



Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and when/how do the 
rest of you use the term?  I’ve not seen it used for another particular 
purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you understand it and what others 
are expecting to see by that.  Would you use ‘Est’  as a guess/fill in date?
I also use FTM and the default is to change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt.  I want to 
differentiate between that terminology and my guess.



I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will most often 
put in an estimated date or a range (also an estimate/guess) to better sort the 
individual.



Bob



From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt



Bob,



You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not a 
calculated date.  Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a calculated 
date.



However you use the program within your PC. and is best for you 
..is great.

But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take into 
consideration that others will never know you changed the expected data.











On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen  wrote:

If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c)  I use Cal 
(Calculated) for my best guess.  In my file I know that a 'Cal' date was *my* 
guess and did not come from any other source.

Bob


-Original Message-
From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

I have now confused myself:

Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890

Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818

Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 -
source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of above 
child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates assuming 
parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child

Any more suggestions please ?

Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney



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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Jay 1FamilyTree]

A Calculated date would most usually be a date of birth that is calculated
from the date of death as some times stated on older death records.

Like a person who died on Nov. 4, 1975 and his tombstone reads aged 51
Years, 9 Months 18 days.
Since there is no birth record to substantiate an exact date, the date
should be listed as Cal. Jan 22, 1824.



Many young infants who have death records and no birth records can be found
are often using a calculated birth date based upon the age notaded in the
death register.


On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Bob Austen  wrote:

> Hi Jay,
>
>
>
> Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and when/how do
> the rest of you use the term?  I’ve not seen it used for another particular
> purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you understand it and what
> others are expecting to see by that.  Would you use ‘Est’  as a guess/fill
> in date?I also use FTM and the default is to change circa/cir/c/Est/ to
> Abt.  I want to differentiate between that terminology and my guess.
>
>
>
> I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will most
> often put in an estimated date or a range (also an estimate/guess) to
> better sort the individual.
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> *From:* Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
>
>
>
> Bob,
>
>
>
> You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not a
> calculated date.  Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a
> calculated date.
>
>
>
> However you use the program within your PC. and is best
> for you ..is great.
>
> But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take into
> consideration that others will never know you changed the expected data.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen  wrote:
>
> If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c)  I
> use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess.  In my file I know that a 'Cal'
> date was *my* guess and did not come from any other source.
>
> Bob
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
>
> I have now confused myself:
>
> Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890
>
> Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818
>
> Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 -
> source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of
> above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates
> assuming parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child
>
> Any more suggestions please ?
>
> Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Bob Austen]

Thanks Kurt, I didn’t see this before my last email.  I can see, from your 
example, where one could ‘calculate’ the birth date (month, day, year) given 
that data.  However, If the Age at Death only gave ‘years’ then the birth could 
only be given as the year (about) and thus, not calculated.Seems a very 
limited usage for the term.



Larry Lee, excellent answer, thank you.



Thanks List, probably enough press on this subject.



Bob



From: Kurt Kneeland [mailto:kurt-kneel...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 8:02 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt



An example of a Calculated Date is a Birth Date determined from a Date of Death 
and an Age at Death given in years, months and days.



From: Bob Austen [mailto:rgaus...@telus.net]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 8:47 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt



Hi Jay,



Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and when/how do the 
rest of you use the term?  I’ve not seen it used for another particular 
purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you understand it and what others 
are expecting to see by that.  Would you use ‘Est’  as a guess/fill in date?
I also use FTM and the default is to change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt.  I want to 
differentiate between that terminology and my guess.



I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will most often 
put in an estimated date or a range (also an estimate/guess) to better sort the 
individual.



Bob



From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt



Bob,



You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not a 
calculated date.  Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a calculated 
date.



However you use the program within your PC. and is best for you 
..is great.

But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take into 
consideration that others will never know you changed the expected data.











On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen  wrote:

If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c)  I use Cal 
(Calculated) for my best guess.  In my file I know that a 'Cal' date was *my* 
guess and did not come from any other source.

Bob


-Original Message-
From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

I have now confused myself:

Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890

Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818

Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 -
source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of above 
child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates assuming 
parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child

Any more suggestions please ?

Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney



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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Larry Lee]

I agree with Kurt for calculated. I usually only use that when I have used
the date calculator.

I stick close to the dictionary definitions below.

About - near in time,  approximately.
Example: In a 1900 census a child is listed as 7 so I use about 1893 for
birth year.

Estimate - to form an approximate judgment or opinion.
Example: A child is said to be 18 months old when his sister was born and I
know her birth date is March 20, 1882 so I estimate his birth date to be
September 1880.

Calculated -  determined or ascertained by mathematical methods.
Example: A Birth Date determined from a Date of Death and an Age at Death
given in years, months and days using the date calculator.

Larry Lee
 On Jan 6, 2014 9:03 PM, "Kurt Kneeland" 
wrote:

> An example of a Calculated Date is a Birth Date determined from a Date of
> Death and an Age at Death given in years, months and days.
>
>
>
> *From:* Bob Austen [mailto:rgaus...@telus.net]
> *Sent:* Monday, January 06, 2014 8:47 PM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
>
>
>
> Hi Jay,
>
>
>
> Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and when/how do
> the rest of you use the term?  I’ve not seen it used for another particular
> purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you understand it and what
> others are expecting to see by that.  Would you use ‘Est’  as a guess/fill
> in date?I also use FTM and the default is to change circa/cir/c/Est/ to
> Abt.  I want to differentiate between that terminology and my guess.
>
>
>
> I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will most
> often put in an estimated date or a range (also an estimate/guess) to
> better sort the individual.
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> *From:* Jay 1FamilyTree 
> [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com<1familytree@gmail.com>]
>
> *Sent:* Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
>
>
>
> Bob,
>
>
>
> You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not a
> calculated date.  Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a
> calculated date.
>
>
>
> However you use the program within your PC. and is best
> for you ..is great.
>
> But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take into
> consideration that others will never know you changed the expected data.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen  wrote:
>
> If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c)  I
> use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess.  In my file I know that a 'Cal'
> date was *my* guess and did not come from any other source.
>
> Bob
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
>
> I have now confused myself:
>
> Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890
>
> Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818
>
> Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 -
> source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of
> above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates
> assuming parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child
>
> Any more suggestions please ?
>
> Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Bob Austen]

I regard Circa or About as an approximate date based on supplied data of some 
significance - say a census, birth/death/marriage certificate - where the date 
can be closely determined.  Example, if a marriage took place in 1921 and the 
bride's age was shown as 21 years one could assume her birth to be "about" 1900 
(likely 1899-1900). I would enter this as "c 1900".  Her birth would be 
expected to be at least 21 years, and not more than 22 years, prior to the 
marriage date. She could have been born in 1899!  Did I "calculate" this date?  
No... I determined/derived her birth based on the given data.  "Calculate" must 
have a more significant meaning than simple addition (math).

So I am looking for an acceptable, cross platform (other programs), term that I 
can simply put in as an approximate date (guess/best estimate) that won't be 
misinterpreted by others viewing my data.  Apparently "Est" is not acceptable 
and it seems that "Calculated" has a specific meaning of which I am not privy 
to.  I would like to know what that meaning is and the accepted norm for its 
usage.  Sorry, I really am at a loss on this, especially when it seems everyone 
else will assume Cal to be a calculated date.

Bob



-Original Message-
From: JV Leavitt [mailto:jleavi...@att.net]
Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 7:27 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

As one of the "rest of you," allow me to pipe in here.  I suppose an honest, 
though humorous entry would be "guess" instead of Estimated, but Estimated 
means the same to me anyway. Moreover, I have come to regard the term about, or 
abt to mean 'guess,' since, most of the time, you find it to have been a (wild) 
guess. Sometimes it is based on an often used formula, but isn't that also a 
guess? I rather like using the term Estimated. I must admit that I've used Est 
as an abbreviation for that, but since I've learned from this list that some of 
you think that Est means Established, I will, in the future, spell it out. 


Joseph Leavitt



On 1/6/2014 6:46 PM, Bob Austen wrote:
>
> Hi Jay,
>
> Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and
> when/how do the rest of you use the term?  I’ve not seen it used for
> another particular purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you
> understand it and what others are expecting to see by that.  Would you use 
> ‘Est’
>  as a guess/fill in date?I also use FTM and the default is to
> change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt.  I want to differentiate between that
> terminology and my guess.
>
> I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will
> most often put in an estimated date or a range (also an
> estimate/guess) to better sort the individual.
>
> Bob
>
> *From:*Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
>
> Bob,
>
> You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not
> a calculated date.  Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a
> calculated date.
>
> However you use the program within your PC. and is
> best for you ..is great.
>
> But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take
> into consideration that others will never know you changed the
> expected data.
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen  > wrote:
>
> If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c)
> I use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess.  In my file I know that a
> 'Cal' date was *my* guess and did not come from any other source.
>
> Bob
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com
> ]
> Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> 
> Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
>
> I have now confused myself:
>
> Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890
>
> Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818
>
> Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 -
> source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of
> above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth
> dates assuming parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born
> child
>
> Any more suggestions please ?
>
> Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Data files

[Pat Hickin]

Thanks, Sherry, I found the design button!

And, Wendy,  You're right, I don't know the name of the file or the folder,
though I think that with all your help I have now found the file!

Thanks!

Pat


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> -- I
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> >
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> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:00 PM, Sherry/Support <
> she...@legacyfamilytree.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> It's the 10 last *viewed*, not modified.
> >>
> >> In the upper left corner you'll find either a "System" button or a
> >> round "L" button, depending on the style chosen under Design > Styles
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[LegacyUG] Short locations and Remove Quoted Given names

[Boyd Miller]

When Short Location Names on Screens is set from Options > Customise
8.3, the locations are shown in short form on the Family screen,
Pedigree (in the pop-up boxes), on the Descendants screen and Index
screens. On the Chronology screen they have to  be set separately from
Options < Display options < Formatting.  This is a bit of an anomaly but
at least it works.

However in Legacy Charting there does not appear to be any provision for
short locations, and this is a situation with limited space where short
locations would be very useful. This could be one the items under
Appearance > Box items > Item options.

In the same vein, Charting has no provision to Remove Quoted Given
Names, which would tidy up the data presentation and leave a bit more
space.

Have I overlooked a setup option somewhere?  Do I have any support to
make a couple of suggestion to Legacy, or are these items already
somewhere in the pipeline?

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RE: [LegacyUG] Updateing from Legacy 7 to Legacy 8

[Kurt Kneeland]

It’s a format control or other character (I’ve seen apostrophes translated to 
it) that hasn’t translated properly from one email system to another.



From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 9:55 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Updateing from Legacy 7 to Legacy 8



Could someone tell me what the A with a hat on means – and I can hear you all 
laughing !!!



Remember when starting we were all told that there is no silly question in 
genealogy !!



Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney



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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Updateing from Legacy 7 to Legacy 8



I keep My Documents folder in Dropbox and have for a long time.   I want to 
add that Legacy 8 installed these folders perfectly in Dropbox/My 
Documents/LegacyFamily Tree.  Thus I have a constant backup & it can be 
accessed by all my computers.
 Thank you Legacy


On 1/4/2014 10:31 AM, Paula Ryburn wrote:

Cathy, Â This explanation is excellent! Â A keeper, for when I finally upgrade. 
 It does indeed clarify the upgrade process and foundational changes that come 
with v8. Â THANKS!

Â

--Paula in Texas

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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Kurt Kneeland]

An example of a Calculated Date is a Birth Date determined from a Date of Death 
and an Age at Death given in years, months and days.



From: Bob Austen [mailto:rgaus...@telus.net]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 8:47 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt



Hi Jay,



Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and when/how do the 
rest of you use the term?  I’ve not seen it used for another particular 
purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you understand it and what others 
are expecting to see by that.  Would you use ‘Est’  as a guess/fill in date?
I also use FTM and the default is to change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt.  I want to 
differentiate between that terminology and my guess.



I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will most often 
put in an estimated date or a range (also an estimate/guess) to better sort the 
individual.



Bob



From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt



Bob,



You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not a 
calculated date.  Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a calculated 
date.



However you use the program within your PC. and is best for you 
..is great.

But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take into 
consideration that others will never know you changed the expected data.











On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen  wrote:

If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c)  I use Cal 
(Calculated) for my best guess.  In my file I know that a 'Cal' date was *my* 
guess and did not come from any other source.

Bob


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From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

I have now confused myself:

Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890

Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818

Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 -
source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of above 
child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates assuming 
parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child

Any more suggestions please ?

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RE: [LegacyUG] Updateing from Legacy 7 to Legacy 8

[Valerie B Garton]

Could someone tell me what the A with a hat on means – and I can hear you all 
laughing !!!



Remember when starting we were all told that there is no silly question in 
genealogy !!



Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney



From: anair...@insightbb.com [mailto:anair...@insightbb.com]
Sent: Sunday, 5 January 2014 3:47 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Updateing from Legacy 7 to Legacy 8



I keep My Documents folder in Dropbox and have for a long time.   I want to 
add that Legacy 8 installed these folders perfectly in Dropbox/My 
Documents/LegacyFamily Tree.  Thus I have a constant backup & it can be 
accessed by all my computers.
 Thank you Legacy


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Cathy, Â This explanation is excellent! Â A keeper, for when I finally upgrade. 
 It does indeed clarify the upgrade process and foundational changes that come 
with v8. Â THANKS!

Â

--Paula in Texas

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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[JV Leavitt]

As one of the "rest of you," allow me to pipe in here.  I suppose an
honest, though humorous entry would be "guess" instead of Estimated, but
Estimated means the same to me anyway. Moreover, I have come to regard
the term about, or abt to mean 'guess,' since, most of the time, you
find it to have been a (wild) guess. Sometimes it is based on an often
used formula, but isn't that also a guess? I rather like using the term
Estimated. I must admit that I've used Est as an abbreviation for that,
but since I've learned from this list that some of you think that Est
means Established, I will, in the future, spell it out. 

Joseph Leavitt



On 1/6/2014 6:46 PM, Bob Austen wrote:
>
> Hi Jay,
>
> Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and when/how
> do the rest of you use the term?  I’ve not seen it used for another
> particular purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you understand
> it and what others are expecting to see by that.  Would you use ‘Est’
>  as a guess/fill in date?I also use FTM and the default is to
> change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt.  I want to differentiate between that
> terminology and my guess.
>
> I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will
> most often put in an estimated date or a range (also an
> estimate/guess) to better sort the individual.
>
> Bob
>
> *From:*Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
>
> Bob,
>
> You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not
> a calculated date.  Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a
> calculated date.
>
> However you use the program within your PC. and is
> best for you ..is great.
>
> But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take
> into consideration that others will never know you changed the
> expected data.
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen  > wrote:
>
> If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c)
>  I use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess.  In my file I know that a
> 'Cal' date was *my* guess and did not come from any other source.
>
> Bob
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com
> ]
> Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> 
> Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
>
> I have now confused myself:
>
> Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890
>
> Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818
>
> Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 -
> source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of
> above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth
> dates assuming parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child
>
> Any more suggestions please ?
>
> Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Bob Austen]

Hi Jay,



Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and when/how do the 
rest of you use the term?  I’ve not seen it used for another particular 
purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you understand it and what others 
are expecting to see by that.  Would you use ‘Est’  as a guess/fill in date?
I also use FTM and the default is to change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt.  I want to 
differentiate between that terminology and my guess.



I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will most often 
put in an estimated date or a range (also an estimate/guess) to better sort the 
individual.



Bob



From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt



Bob,



You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not a 
calculated date.  Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a calculated 
date.



However you use the program within your PC. and is best for you 
..is great.

But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take into 
consideration that others will never know you changed the expected data.











On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen  wrote:

If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c)  I use Cal 
(Calculated) for my best guess.  In my file I know that a 'Cal' date was *my* 
guess and did not come from any other source.

Bob


-Original Message-
From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

I have now confused myself:

Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890

Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818

Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 -
source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of above 
child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates assuming 
parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child

Any more suggestions please ?

Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney



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Re: [LegacyUG] Data files

[Sherry/Support]

Far top right is the "Design" button.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Pat Hickin  wrote:
> I have the round "L" button -- but now I don't see the "Design>Styles" -- I
> looked in Help for "Design" and there is nothing.
>
> Pat
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:00 PM, Sherry/Support 
> wrote:
>>
>> It's the 10 last *viewed*, not modified.
>>
>> In the upper left corner you'll find either a "System" button or a
>> round "L" button, depending on the style chosen under Design > Styles
>> (upper right corner)
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Sherry
>> Technical Support
>> Legacy Family Tree



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Re: [LegacyUG] Data files

[Pat Hickin]

I have the round "L" button -- but now I don't see the "Design>Styles" -- I
looked in Help for "Design" and there is nothing.

Pat


On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:00 PM, Sherry/Support
wrote:

> It's the 10 last *viewed*, not modified.
>
> In the upper left corner you'll find either a "System" button or a
> round "L" button, depending on the style chosen under Design > Styles
> (upper right corner)
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
> Legacy Family Tree
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Pat Hickin  wrote:
> > Well, but, I date my files and the first one listed is not the most
> recently
> > modified file!
> >
> > Also, I don't see a button that says "System."
> >
> > So now what??
> >
> > Pat
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Data files

[JV Leavitt]

Thank you, Sherry, for clarifying my statement. I forgot about the
difference in that button when different styles are chosen. You're the best.

Joseph Leavitt


On 1/6/2014 6:00 PM, Sherry/Support wrote:
> It's the 10 last *viewed*, not modified.
>
> In the upper left corner you'll find either a "System" button or a
> round "L" button, depending on the style chosen under Design > Styles
> (upper right corner)
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
> Legacy Family Tree
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Pat Hickin  wrote:
>> Well, but, I date my files and the first one listed is not the most recently
>> modified file!
>>
>> Also, I don't see a button that says "System."
>>
>> So now what??
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Data files

[Wendy Howard]

Hi Pat,

If I'm reading you correctly, you want to open a file in Legacy v8 that
you've not opened in v8 before, and you're not sure which file to open?

If you've never opened this file in v8, the list of recently opened
files there is not going to help you.  (For future reference, you reach
this in v8 by clicking on the blue L in the top left-hand corner.)

Is it because you don't know what folder the file is in?  Or that you
don't know what the file is called?  Or both?

Wendy


Pat Hickin said the following on 7/01/2014 2:20 p.m.:
> Well, but, I date my files and the first one listed is not the most
> recently modified file!
>
> Also, I don't see a button that says "System."
>
> So now what??
>
> Pat
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:00 PM, JV Leavitt  > wrote:
>
> In the upper left corner of the screen is a button called "System."
> Click on that to see the list of the most recently used files. And, as
> Sherry pointed out, the one at the top is the most recently used file.
>
> Joseph Leavitt
>
>
> On 1/6/2014 4:05 PM, Pat Hickin wrote:
> > I recently upgraded to Legacy 8. (I have not yet unlocked the Deluxe
> > version)
> >
> > I have two separate databases for my paternal and maternal sides
> of my
> > family.  I have not done much with my maternal side in the last few
> > years.  Now I want to look at my maternal file, which I've used with
> > Leg 7.5 within the last few months.
> >
> > With Leg 7, when I attempted to open a database, it would show
> me the
> > last two or three files I had used.  But Leg 8 gives me a whole
> > /slew/ of files and I don't know which is the most recent.
> >
> > Any ideas on how I can determine that?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Pat
>



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Re: [LegacyUG] Data files

[Sherry/Support]

It's the 10 last *viewed*, not modified.

In the upper left corner you'll find either a "System" button or a
round "L" button, depending on the style chosen under Design > Styles
(upper right corner)


Sincerely,
Sherry
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> Well, but, I date my files and the first one listed is not the most recently
> modified file!
>
> Also, I don't see a button that says "System."
>
> So now what??
>
> Pat
>
>



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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Ed Ladendorf]

First post here. This has been an interesting thread. I have a woman whose 
maiden name I do not know. For the given name I entered Maria (maiden name 
unknown), and the surname entered was Barbie. Now I'm wondering if I do an 
internet search through Legacy, will the (maiden name unknown) be the reason I 
might get zero hits? If so, is there another way that will give better results?

Ed



On Monday, January 6, 2014 6:47 PM, Bob Austen  wrote:

Thanks Charlene :)

-Original Message-
From: Charlene C [mailto:charlene...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 3:02 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

What American English calls "parentheses," British English calls
"(round) brackets."

--Charlene



On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 4:54 PM, CE WOOD  wrote:
> Parentheses and brackets are different. You used parentheses; is that
> what you meant to say?
>
>
> CE
>
>> From: rgaus...@telus.net
>> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
>> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 13:48:31 -0800
>
>>
>> Another common method is to use the married (husband's) name in
>> brackets - Jane married John Doe, use Jane (Doe).
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: David Newton [mailto:lugda...@drdavid.plus.com]
>> Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 1:35 AM
>> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
>>
>> Agreed but it can be difficult when you don't know the maiden name. I
>> started by leaving it blank and then ended up with a collection of
>> forenames at the front of my index. So I now go with the married
>> surname and a title suffix of spouse. These have the advantage of
>> showing in the index in a more appropriate place and also it is easy
>> to produce a list by searching for suffix "spouse"
>>
>> On 06/01/2014 09:21, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:
>> > SNIP
>> > And everyone PLEASE stop putting a womans married name in the
>> >surname box. her surname is/was her maiden name.
>> > When gedcoms are passed on or info taken from a source that has
>> >done that I diligently verify it only to find 98% are in fact having
>> >their married name entered in the surname box.
>> >SNIP
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Data files

[Pat Hickin]

Well, but, I date my files and the first one listed is not the most
recently modified file!

Also, I don't see a button that says "System."

So now what??

Pat


On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:00 PM, JV Leavitt  wrote:

> In the upper left corner of the screen is a button called "System."
> Click on that to see the list of the most recently used files. And, as
> Sherry pointed out, the one at the top is the most recently used file.
>
> Joseph Leavitt
>
>
> On 1/6/2014 4:05 PM, Pat Hickin wrote:
> > I recently upgraded to Legacy 8. (I have not yet unlocked the Deluxe
> > version)
> >
> > I have two separate databases for my paternal and maternal sides of my
> > family.  I have not done much with my maternal side in the last few
> > years.  Now I want to look at my maternal file, which I've used with
> > Leg 7.5 within the last few months.
> >
> > With Leg 7, when I attempted to open a database, it would show me the
> > last two or three files I had used.  But Leg 8 gives me a whole
> > /slew/ of files and I don't know which is the most recent.
> >
> > Any ideas on how I can determine that?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Pat
> >
> >
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Re: [LegacyUG] Data files

[JV Leavitt]

In the upper left corner of the screen is a button called "System."
Click on that to see the list of the most recently used files. And, as
Sherry pointed out, the one at the top is the most recently used file.

Joseph Leavitt


On 1/6/2014 4:05 PM, Pat Hickin wrote:
> I recently upgraded to Legacy 8. (I have not yet unlocked the Deluxe
> version)
>
> I have two separate databases for my paternal and maternal sides of my
> family.  I have not done much with my maternal side in the last few
> years.  Now I want to look at my maternal file, which I've used with
> Leg 7.5 within the last few months.
>
> With Leg 7, when I attempted to open a database, it would show me the
> last two or three files I had used.  But Leg 8 gives me a whole
> /slew/ of files and I don't know which is the most recent.
>
> Any ideas on how I can determine that?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pat
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Bob Austen]

Thanks Charlene :)

-Original Message-
From: Charlene C [mailto:charlene...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 3:02 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

What American English calls "parentheses," British English calls
"(round) brackets."

--Charlene



On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 4:54 PM, CE WOOD  wrote:
> Parentheses and brackets are different. You used parentheses; is that
> what you meant to say?
>
>
> CE
>
>> From: rgaus...@telus.net
>> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
>> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 13:48:31 -0800
>
>>
>> Another common method is to use the married (husband's) name in
>> brackets - Jane married John Doe, use Jane (Doe).
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: David Newton [mailto:lugda...@drdavid.plus.com]
>> Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 1:35 AM
>> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
>>
>> Agreed but it can be difficult when you don't know the maiden name. I
>> started by leaving it blank and then ended up with a collection of
>> forenames at the front of my index. So I now go with the married
>> surname and a title suffix of spouse. These have the advantage of
>> showing in the index in a more appropriate place and also it is easy
>> to produce a list by searching for suffix "spouse"
>>
>> On 06/01/2014 09:21, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:
>> > SNIP
>> > And everyone PLEASE stop putting a womans married name in the
>> >surname box. her surname is/was her maiden name.
>> > When gedcoms are passed on or info taken from a source that has
>> >done that I diligently verify it only to find 98% are in fact having
>> >their married name entered in the surname box.
>> >SNIP
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Bob Austen]

Thanks.  Parentheses indeed,  as I showed.  I think someone else suggested 
square brackets, Jane [Doe] which would work too.





Bob



From: CE WOOD [mailto:wood...@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:55 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt



Parentheses and brackets are different. You used parentheses; is that what you 
meant to say?


CE


> From: rgaus...@telus.net
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 13:48:31 -0800
>
> Another common method is to use the married (husband's) name in brackets - 
> Jane married John Doe, use Jane (Doe).
>
> Bob
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Newton [mailto:lugda...@drdavid.plus.com]
> Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 1:35 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
>
> Agreed but it can be difficult when you don't know the maiden name. I started 
> by leaving it blank and then ended up with a collection of forenames at the 
> front of my index. So I now go with the married surname and a title suffix of 
> spouse. These have the advantage of showing in the index in a more 
> appropriate place and also it is easy to produce a list by searching for 
> suffix "spouse"
>
> On 06/01/2014 09:21, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:
> > SNIP
> > And everyone PLEASE stop putting a womans married name in the surname
> >box. her surname is/was her maiden name.
> > When gedcoms are passed on or info taken from a source that has done
> >that I diligently verify it only to find 98% are in fact having their
> >married name entered in the surname box.
> >SNIP



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Re: [LegacyUG] Data files

[Sherry/Support]

if you're looking at the recently used list, the one at the top is the
most recent, the one at the bottom is the oldest


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Pat Hickin  wrote:
> I recently upgraded to Legacy 8. (I have not yet unlocked the Deluxe
> version)
>
> I have two separate databases for my paternal and maternal sides of my
> family.  I have not done much with my maternal side in the last few years.
> Now I want to look at my maternal file, which I've used with Leg 7.5 within
> the last few months.
>
> With Leg 7, when I attempted to open a database, it would show me the last
> two or three files I had used.  But Leg 8 gives me a whole slew of files and
> I don't know which is the most recent.
>
> Any ideas on how I can determine that?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pat



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[LegacyUG] Data files

[Pat Hickin]

I recently upgraded to Legacy 8. (I have not yet unlocked the Deluxe
version)

I have two separate databases for my paternal and maternal sides of my
family.  I have not done much with my maternal side in the last few years.
 Now I want to look at my maternal file, which I've used with Leg 7.5
within the last few months.

With Leg 7, when I attempted to open a database, it would show me the last
two or three files I had used.  But Leg 8 gives me a whole *slew* of files
and I don't know which is the most recent.

Any ideas on how I can determine that?

Thanks,

Pat



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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[CE WOOD]

AH!

CE

> From: charlene...@gmail.com
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 17:02:15 -0600
>
> What American English calls "parentheses," British English calls
> "(round) brackets."
>
> --Charlene
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 4:54 PM, CE WOOD  wrote:
> > Parentheses and brackets are different. You used parentheses; is that what
> > you meant to say?
> >
> >
> > CE
> >
> >> From: rgaus...@telus.net
> >> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> >> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
> >> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 13:48:31 -0800
> >
> >>
> >> Another common method is to use the married (husband's) name in brackets -
> >> Jane married John Doe, use Jane (Doe).
> >>
> >> Bob
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: David Newton [mailto:lugda...@drdavid.plus.com]
> >> Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 1:35 AM
> >> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> >> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
> >>
> >> Agreed but it can be difficult when you don't know the maiden name. I
> >> started by leaving it blank and then ended up with a collection of 
> >> forenames
> >> at the front of my index. So I now go with the married surname and a title
> >> suffix of spouse. These have the advantage of showing in the index in a 
> >> more
> >> appropriate place and also it is easy to produce a list by searching for
> >> suffix "spouse"
> >>
> >> On 06/01/2014 09:21, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:
> >> > SNIP
> >> > And everyone PLEASE stop putting a womans married name in the surname
> >> >box. her surname is/was her maiden name.
> >> > When gedcoms are passed on or info taken from a source that has done
> >> >that I diligently verify it only to find 98% are in fact having their
> >> >married name entered in the surname box.
> >> >SNIP


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RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture

[CE WOOD]

Also, I have thousands of pictures for locations, which for me, includes 
abbeys, castles, churches, maps (used for old empires, battlefields), 
graveyards, etc.  I attach those pictures in the Master Location list. I can't 
attach pictures to a location in Picture List, only to a person. If someone is 
buried in Tintern Abbey, I do not want a picture of Tintern Abbey attached to 
the individual; I want it attached to Tintern Abbey. Can't do that in Picture 
List.


CE

From: whbosw...@gmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 18:18:02 -0500

I would only use the Picture Center if I have a lot of images to add to 
different people, otherwise I would do it on the Individual page too. Bill 
Boswell From: CE WOOD [mailto:wood...@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 4:00 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture Hmmm I add individuals and 
their events on the Individual page, adding the pictures at the same time as I 
add the events, which is the easiest way to do it.

CE
 From: whbosw...@gmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 15:51:17 -0500You can add the picture to persons and 
their events within the Picture Center.  I've never had to leave Picture Center 
to go to an individual to add pictures.  Generally I add all the information to 
the pictures first before attaching them to any people.  In the Picture List, 
you will first have to browse to the folder where your pictures are located 
then attach them. Bill Boswell


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RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture

[William Boswell]

I would only use the Picture Center if I have a lot of images to add to 
different people, otherwise I would do it on the Individual page too.



Bill Boswell



From: CE WOOD [mailto:wood...@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 4:00 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture



Hmmm I add individuals and their events on the Individual page, adding the 
pictures at the same time as I add the events, which is the easiest way to do 
it.

CE


  _

From: whbosw...@gmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 15:51:17 -0500

You can add the picture to persons and their events within the Picture Center.  
I've never had to leave Picture Center to go to an individual to add pictures.  
Generally I add all the information to the pictures first before attaching them 
to any people.  In the Picture List, you will first have to browse to the 
folder where your pictures are located then attach them.



Bill Boswell






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[LegacyUG] Font request at startup

[Karen Blackmore]

I downloaded LFT8 a few days ago.  Every time I start the program I get a 
screen for selecting the fonts.  What do I need to do differently to stop this? 
 Thanks.  Karen



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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Charlene C]

What American English calls "parentheses," British English calls
"(round) brackets."

--Charlene



On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 4:54 PM, CE WOOD  wrote:
> Parentheses and brackets are different. You used parentheses; is that what
> you meant to say?
>
>
> CE
>
>> From: rgaus...@telus.net
>> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
>> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 13:48:31 -0800
>
>>
>> Another common method is to use the married (husband's) name in brackets -
>> Jane married John Doe, use Jane (Doe).
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: David Newton [mailto:lugda...@drdavid.plus.com]
>> Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 1:35 AM
>> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
>>
>> Agreed but it can be difficult when you don't know the maiden name. I
>> started by leaving it blank and then ended up with a collection of forenames
>> at the front of my index. So I now go with the married surname and a title
>> suffix of spouse. These have the advantage of showing in the index in a more
>> appropriate place and also it is easy to produce a list by searching for
>> suffix "spouse"
>>
>> On 06/01/2014 09:21, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:
>> > SNIP
>> > And everyone PLEASE stop putting a womans married name in the surname
>> >box. her surname is/was her maiden name.
>> > When gedcoms are passed on or info taken from a source that has done
>> >that I diligently verify it only to find 98% are in fact having their
>> >married name entered in the surname box.
>> >SNIP
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[CE WOOD]

Parentheses and brackets are different. You used parentheses; is that what you 
meant to say?

CE

> From: rgaus...@telus.net
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 13:48:31 -0800
>
> Another common method is to use the married (husband's) name in brackets - 
> Jane married John Doe, use Jane (Doe).
>
> Bob
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Newton [mailto:lugda...@drdavid.plus.com]
> Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 1:35 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
>
> Agreed but it can be difficult when you don't know the maiden name. I started 
> by leaving it blank and then ended up with a collection of forenames at the 
> front of my index. So I now go with the married surname and a title suffix of 
> spouse. These have the advantage of showing in the index in a more 
> appropriate place and also it is easy to produce a list by searching for 
> suffix "spouse"
>
> On 06/01/2014 09:21, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:
> > SNIP
> > And everyone PLEASE stop putting a womans married name in the surname
> >box. her surname is/was her maiden name.
> > When gedcoms are passed on or info taken from a source that has done
> >that I diligently verify it only to find 98% are in fact having their
> >married name entered in the surname box.
> >SNIP


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[LegacyUG] Media gallery wasted screen space

[Boyd Miller]

In the individual's Media Gallery reached from the family screen, the
pictures and other media are arranged in three columns. To get more
pictures visible at one time, they are compressed vertically but not
horizontally.
This leaves a lot of wasted space between each of the three column of
items. I there any good reason for this?  With the zoom system in In
L7.5 we had up to five items across the screen, with much less wasted
space.  Am I missing something in the  L8 picture layout options?

It would be helpful to better utilise the screen space, so that more
pictures can be seen at once.  Anyone care to comment?

Boyd


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Re: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Report Settings

[Jay 1FamilyTree]

Mary,

Open the Descendant Narrative Report menu.

under Options>

Indent each gen.   (input your preference here)   inches

I use 0.3





On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Mary Young  wrote:

> V8 8.0.0.367 -Descendant Narrative Report has "Noted Events" indented
> 2.75", nearly half-way across the page, for every generation.
> I don't like to waste paper when printing Reports. My preference for each
> generation indent is 0.3", and I'd like to indent Noted Events by 0.3"
> within each person's entry. Can this be selected somewhere?
> Thanks
> Mary Young
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Jay 1FamilyTree]

Bob,

You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not a
calculated date.  Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a
calculated date.

However you use the program within your PC. and is best for
you ..is great.
But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take into
consideration that others will never know you changed the expected data.






On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen  wrote:

> If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c)  I
> use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess.  In my file I know that a 'Cal'
> date was *my* guess and did not come from any other source.
>
> Bob
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
>
> I have now confused myself:
>
> Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890
>
> Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818
>
> Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 -
> source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of
> above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates
> assuming parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child
>
> Any more suggestions please ?
>
> Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney
>
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[LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Report Settings

[Mary Young]

V8 8.0.0.367 -Descendant Narrative Report has "Noted Events" indented
2.75", nearly half-way across the page, for every generation.
I don't like to waste paper when printing Reports. My preference for each
generation indent is 0.3", and I'd like to indent Noted Events by 0.3"
within each person's entry. Can this be selected somewhere?
Thanks
Mary Young



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RE: [LegacyUG] New computer: what order to do these?

[Charles Apple]

Paul,



Point well taken, thank you. Although, I have not yet removed V7, I have been 
considering the extraneous work that would be required to maintain both 
databases, as well as the necessity of that extra work.



Charles



From: Paul Gray [mailto:graypa...@outlook.com]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 4:43 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] New computer: what order to do these?



Charles,



I must say that I have not yet removed V7, but in my view the argument for 
removing it is that for most of us, it serves no purpose. Since the file 
structures are different, one would need to main dual data entry if one was to 
keep both databases current. And, for most of us, that’s unnecessary and a 
waste of time.



If one is not going to keep the database current, there is simply no reason to 
keep the program around.



Just my two cents.



Paul Gray






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RE: [LegacyUG] Gender colors

[Bob Austen]

This works unless you have the children in Scrolling List (grid) view.  Change 
the view, change the colours, then go back to Scrolling List (grid) view and 
the colours will be visable.

Bob

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To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Gender colors

Options > Change Colours
click on any child's name to bring up the gender colour selections.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com
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> Where do I change the color of male, female, unknown?  I can find it
> in ver 7.5, but can not find it in version 8.
>
> I like to go with the stereotypical colors Blue = boy pink (or red) =
> girl purple = unknown (combination of blue/red)
>
> Thanks,
> Bob



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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Bob Austen]

Another common method is to use the married (husband's) name in brackets - Jane 
married John Doe, use Jane (Doe).

Bob

-Original Message-
From: David Newton [mailto:lugda...@drdavid.plus.com]
Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 1:35 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

Agreed but it can be difficult when you don't know the maiden name. I started 
by leaving it blank and then ended up with a collection of forenames at the 
front of my index. So I now go with the married surname and a title suffix of 
spouse. These have the advantage of showing in the index in a more appropriate 
place and also it is easy to produce a list by searching for suffix "spouse"

On 06/01/2014 09:21, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:
> SNIP
> And everyone PLEASE stop putting a womans married name in the surname
>box. her surname is/was her maiden name.
> When gedcoms are passed on or info taken from a source that has done
>that I diligently verify it only to find 98% are in fact having their
>married name entered in the surname box.
>SNIP



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RE: [LegacyUG] New computer: what order to do these?

[Paul Gray]

Charles,



I must say that I have not yet removed V7, but in my view the argument for 
removing it is that for most of us, it serves no purpose. Since the file 
structures are different, one would need to main dual data entry if one was to 
keep both databases current. And, for most of us, that’s unnecessary and a 
waste of time.



If one is not going to keep the database current, there is simply no reason to 
keep the program around.



Just my two cents.



Paul Gray



From: Charles Apple [mailto:apple1...@centurylink.net]
Sent: January-06-14 1:56 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] New computer: what order to do these?



Seriously, what is the argument for NOT keeping both V7 and V8 on the same 
computer?



Charles



From: Mary Young [mailto:m...@cmy.org.uk]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 2:08 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] New computer: what order to do these?



On 6 January 2014 13:16, Duane Baker  wrote:



What is the argument for keeping both V7 and V8 on the same computer?



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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Bob Austen]

If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c)  I use Cal 
(Calculated) for my best guess.  In my file I know that a 'Cal' date was *my* 
guess and did not come from any other source.

Bob


-Original Message-
From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

I have now confused myself:

Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890

Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818

Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 -
source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of above 
child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates assuming 
parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child

Any more suggestions please ?

Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney



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RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture

[CE WOOD]

Hmmm I add individuals and their events on the Individual page, adding the 
pictures at the same time as I add the events, which is the easiest way to do 
it.

CE

From: whbosw...@gmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 15:51:17 -0500

You can add the picture to persons and their events within the Picture Center.  
I've never had to leave Picture Center to go to an individual to add pictures.  
Generally I add all the information to the pictures first before attaching them 
to any people.  In the Picture List, you will first have to browse to the 
folder where your pictures are located then attach them. Bill Boswell From: CE 
WOOD [mailto:wood...@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 2:14 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture It would not be convoluted if the 
info you add to a picture while editing the individual on the Individual page 
carried over to the Picture List. As it is now, you have to go to the Picture 
List itself to add the basic info to a picture. That means, you have to exit 
out of the individual, go to the Picture List, add the picture and info, then 
go back to the Individual/Event, and repeat this maneuver for each picture you 
add.

That is convoluted.


CE
 > From: she...@legacyfamilytree.com
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture
> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 11:02:48 -0800
>
> If you have added the caption, date and description to the Picture
> List tab, then when you attach the picture, it should be showing on
> the Attached Pics tab.
>
> You have to add it to the Picture List tab *before* attaching the picture.
>
> This sticks and goes along with attaching the picture every time
> it's not at all convuluted!
>
> I've just linked the same picture to several individuals and every
> time the caption, date and description was "transferred" to the
> Attached Pic and I was able to confirm that in the Media Gallery for
> the individuals.
>
> However... the data is stored in the PicList.dbm file which is in the
> folder where the picture is stored. If you move the picture or rename
> it, you will lose the data stored in that file.
>
> If you move all pics in that folder to a new folder, then you need to
> make sure you move the PicList.dbm file as well. If you move part of
> the pics, there's no way to take the dbm file along with it.
>
> The programmers are trying to think of a better way to store the data
> to avoid this caveat
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
> Legacy Family Tree
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Jo Poi  wrote:
> > Sherry
> > The method that the Picture Centre help files give are the same as what I
> > have described, and give the result as I described.
> >
> > CE
> > You have summed the situation up perfectly, why is it necessary to use such
> > a convoluted process ?
> >
> > Jo Poi


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RE: [LegacyUG] New computer: what order to do these?

[Charles Apple]

Seriously, what is the argument for NOT keeping both V7 and V8 on the same 
computer?



Charles



From: Mary Young [mailto:m...@cmy.org.uk]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 2:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] New computer: what order to do these?



On 6 January 2014 13:16, Duane Baker  wrote:



What is the argument for keeping both V7 and V8 on the same computer?






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RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture

[William Boswell]

You can add the picture to persons and their events within the Picture Center.  
I've never had to leave Picture Center to go to an individual to add pictures.  
Generally I add all the information to the pictures first before attaching them 
to any people.  In the Picture List, you will first have to browse to the 
folder where your pictures are located then attach them.



Bill Boswell



From: CE WOOD [mailto:wood...@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 2:14 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture



It would not be convoluted if the info you add to a picture while editing the 
individual on the Individual page carried over to the Picture List. As it is 
now, you have to go to the Picture List itself to add the basic info to a 
picture. That means, you have to exit out of the individual, go to the Picture 
List, add the picture and info, then go back to the Individual/Event, and 
repeat this maneuver for each picture you add.

That is convoluted.



CE


> From: she...@legacyfamilytree.com
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture
> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 11:02:48 -0800
>
> If you have added the caption, date and description to the Picture
> List tab, then when you attach the picture, it should be showing on
> the Attached Pics tab.
>
> You have to add it to the Picture List tab *before* attaching the picture.
>
> This sticks and goes along with attaching the picture every time
> it's not at all convuluted!
>
> I've just linked the same picture to several individuals and every
> time the caption, date and description was "transferred" to the
> Attached Pic and I was able to confirm that in the Media Gallery for
> the individuals.
>
> However... the data is stored in the PicList.dbm file which is in the
> folder where the picture is stored. If you move the picture or rename
> it, you will lose the data stored in that file.
>
> If you move all pics in that folder to a new folder, then you need to
> make sure you move the PicList.dbm file as well. If you move part of
> the pics, there's no way to take the dbm file along with it.
>
> The programmers are trying to think of a better way to store the data
> to avoid this caveat
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
> Legacy Family Tree
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Jo Poi  wrote:
> > Sherry
> > The method that the Picture Centre help files give are the same as what I
> > have described, and give the result as I described.
> >
> > CE
> > You have summed the situation up perfectly, why is it necessary to use such
> > a convoluted process ?
> >
> > Jo Poi



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Re: [LegacyUG] Is it possible to switch from IE to Firefox?

[Wendy Howard]

You don't have to watch the webinar through your Legacy program.

You could, in Firefox, go to the webinars page
(http://www.familytreewebinars.com/) and watch the video there.

The same goes for any other link in the Legacy News section of the
Legacy Home tab - you can right-click on the link, select "Copy
shortcut", then switch to your preferred browser and paste (Ctrl-V or
right-click > Paste) the URL to the address bar there.  Then press Enter
or click on the icon/button that makes it fetch that page.

You get much the same news items by subscribing to the Legacy News
newsletter (subscribe at http://legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp),
and clicking on links in those emails will see the page opened in your
default browser.  The exact content and timing is possibly different - I
don't normally pay any attention to the news in the Home tab so can't
say on that, but I do get the email newsletter and follow Legacy on
Facebook.  Having so many options (just like the program!) means we can
all pick and choose what suits us.

Hope this helps.  :-)

Wendy

Sally Smith said the following on 7/01/2014 8:29 a.m.:
> Is it possible to switch browsers from Internet Explorer to Firefox in
> Legacy 8?  When I clicked on "Watch Webinar" it took me to IE; however, I
> would prefer to use Firefox.  Archived messages indicate that the earlier
> version of Legacy used only IE.  Is this still the case or is there a way
> now to change it to Firefox?
>
> Thanks
> Sally



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Re: [LegacyUG] Chronology report - options not working

[carolyn]

Thanks Brian,
I have continued to tick and untick the options, and find that I can have bmd 
for whole family or events, but not both.
For some females I do get both to show, but for random ones its one or the 
other.
These are all events and bmd that occured during the selected persons lifespan.
Looking forward to a solution, many thanks for your time.
Carolyn

 Original message 
From: Brian/Support 
Date: 07/01/2014  03:33  (GMT+12:00)
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Chronology report - options not working

There is a known problem in Chronology view for females. The error is
related to the setting for individual events in the chronology view. A
problem report has been submitted to have this fixed.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

On 04-Jan-2014 10:12 PM, Carolyn wrote:
> Having just watched and thoroughly enjoyed Geoff’s webinar, I have been 
> busily sharing events and have also switched on ‘include  grandchildren’ 
> in the chronology report.
> However for random direct females in my tree, eg both my grandmothers, it 
> will include the shared events, but NOT include children, grandchildren or 
> even birth and death of spouse.
> It will include  all of these options in  chronology reports reports for most 
> people in my database. Have I missed a tick somewhere, has anyone else had 
> the same problem and found the answer please?
>
> Many thanks.
> Carolyn



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Re: [LegacyUG] Is it possible to switch from IE to Firefox?

[grayscot2]

Does Legacy 8 have any problem with using Chrome or Opera 12.16 as 
default browsers?




From: Sherry/Support [she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Monday, 06 January, 2014 01:59 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Is it possible to switch from IE to Firefox?

Links through the Legacy Home tab will default to IE if it doesn't run
in the Legacy browser. Legacy uses low-level IE functions for links
in the Legacy Home tab.

You can change default browser in Legacy in Options > Customize >
Launch, but that doesn't affect the Legacy Home tab.

Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree

On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Sally Smith  wrote:
> Is it possible to switch browsers from Internet Explorer to Firefox in
> Legacy 8? When I clicked on "Watch Webinar" it took me to IE; however, I
> would prefer to use Firefox. Archived messages indicate that the earlier
> version of Legacy used only IE. Is this still the case or is there a way
> now to change it to Firefox?
>
> Thanks
> Sally



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Re: [LegacyUG] Is it possible to switch from IE to Firefox?

[Sherry/Support]

Links through the Legacy Home tab will default to IE if it doesn't run
in the Legacy browser.  Legacy uses low-level IE functions for links
in the Legacy Home tab.

You can change default browser in Legacy in Options > Customize >
Launch, but that doesn't affect the Legacy Home tab.


Sincerely,
Sherry
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Legacy Family Tree


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> Is it possible to switch browsers from Internet Explorer to Firefox in
> Legacy 8?  When I clicked on "Watch Webinar" it took me to IE; however, I
> would prefer to use Firefox.  Archived messages indicate that the earlier
> version of Legacy used only IE.  Is this still the case or is there a way
> now to change it to Firefox?
>
> Thanks
> Sally



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[LegacyUG] Is it possible to switch from IE to Firefox?

[Sally Smith]

Is it possible to switch browsers from Internet Explorer to Firefox in
Legacy 8?  When I clicked on "Watch Webinar" it took me to IE; however, I
would prefer to use Firefox.  Archived messages indicate that the earlier
version of Legacy used only IE.  Is this still the case or is there a way
now to change it to Firefox?

Thanks
Sally




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Re: [LegacyUG] File extensions

[gcrull]

Sherry,

Pursuing this a little further...

I now have the new Legacy 8 installed on my primary desktop and also on a
laptop - both using Windows 7 (32 bit on the desktop OS; 64 bit on the
laptop). On my desktop version I have the following folder structure on
my D drive where the following are stored:

GENEALOGY STUFF
Individuals & Tombstone Photos
Legacy Audio-Video
Legacy Docs-Obits,Birth,Death,Marriage,Will Info

This scheme worked fine on the desktop for Legacy 7.5. Legacy 8 links to
these respective location(s) and contents for individuals.

My problem is syncing isn't working as it did with Legacy 7.5. I use
SugarSync2 (Nov 5 2013 version) to sync between my desktop and laptop.  I
can't seem to get the laptop Legacy 8 directed to the SugarSync2 location
that contains the information referenced in the above noted structure.
Unlike Legacy 7.5 where you could specify the path for Picture files;
Sound files; Video files; Document files; Legacy 8 doesn't accommodate
this having only the option  6.1 Default location of family files (which
specifies the path where the photos, video, documents reside on the
laptop) and 6.2 Default location of media files. Using Legacy 8's
recommended Media Relinker on the laptop when trying to link to a
specific file in one of these folders produces a list saying ALL my media
files are missing!

In addition, on my desktop I get a notice under the SugarSync2 "View File
Transfer Status" that there are 4 files awaiting downloading from the
laptop with a file extension of 2 each for .ldb and another 2 for
~Rc3.ldb. These NEVER get sync'd back to the desktop. Looking at the list
of file extensions you mentioned in the HELP file I don't see a
definition of what .ldb files are!

In Legacy 7.5 there was no issue. I changed something in a Legacy entry
on the desktop and it was sync'd with the laptop next time I logged on.
Same going the other direction. A change in a Legacy entry on the laptop
was sync'd with the desktop when I logged on next time. SugarSync2 took
care of changes going both directions. This isn't the case with Legacy 8.
I don't think this is a problem with the SugarSync2 application. It seems
to be more of a problem of communication to Legacy 8 to recognize where
the files are.

Any thoughts?

gc





On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 12:38:11 -0800 "Sherry/Support"
 writes:
> Gary,
>
> If you go to the Help file in Legacy and look up "File extensions" you
> can find a list of all the files used in Legacy.
>
> Don't delete anything with your file name. Those files work with the
> data in your Family File.
>
> They have an older date because you may not have used the applicable
> feature for awhile (RGD = Research Guidance, CAL = calculated
> relationships, FG = focus group you've created)
>
> In fact, we don't recommend that you delete *anything* in the  Legacy
> folders unless you *know* what it is (saved documents, etc) without
> direction from Support.
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
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RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture

[Brant Gibbard]

In TNG when I load a picture with data in the IPTC fields (I use Irfanview to 
enter the data in the IPTC fields first) into TNG all the information is 
automatically pulled from the IPTC fields and displayed with the picture.

In this picture for example
http://bgibbard.ca/genealogy/showmedia.php?mediaID=4779
All the information shown in the grid below the picture was pulled 
automatically from the data stored inside the jpg itself. And if I change the 
data in the IPTC fields and refresh the page, the displayed data changes with 
it.

Could something similar be done in Legacy? In that way even if the picture is 
moved the data is contained within it.

Brant Gibbard
Toronto, ON
http://bgibbard.ca


-Original Message-
From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: January-06-14 2:03 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture

If you have added the caption, date and description to the Picture List tab, 
then when you attach the picture, it should be showing on the Attached Pics tab.

You have to add it to the Picture List tab *before* attaching the picture.

This sticks and goes along with attaching the picture every time
it's not at all convuluted!

I've just linked the same picture to several individuals and every time the 
caption, date and description was "transferred" to the Attached Pic and I was 
able to confirm that in the Media Gallery for the individuals.

However... the data is stored in the PicList.dbm file which is in the folder 
where the picture is stored. If you move the picture or rename it, you will 
lose the data stored in that file.

If you move all pics in that folder to a new folder, then you need to make sure 
you move the PicList.dbm file as well. If you move part of the pics, there's no 
way to take the dbm file along with it.

The programmers are trying to think of a better way to store the data to avoid 
this caveat



Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Jo Poi  wrote:
> Sherry
> The method that the Picture Centre help files give are the same as
> what I have described, and give the result as I described.
>
> CE
> You have summed the situation up perfectly, why is it necessary to use
> such a convoluted process ?
>
> Jo Poi
>
>



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RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture

[CE WOOD]

It would not be convoluted if the info you add to a picture while editing the 
individual on the Individual page carried over to the Picture List. As it is 
now, you have to go to the Picture List itself to add the basic info to a 
picture. That means, you have to exit out of the individual, go to the Picture 
List, add the picture and info, then go back to the Individual/Event, and 
repeat this maneuver for each picture you add.

That is convoluted.


CE

> From: she...@legacyfamilytree.com
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture
> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 11:02:48 -0800
>
> If you have added the caption, date and description to the Picture
> List tab, then when you attach the picture, it should be showing on
> the Attached Pics tab.
>
> You have to add it to the Picture List tab *before* attaching the picture.
>
> This sticks and goes along with attaching the picture every time
> it's not at all convuluted!
>
> I've just linked the same picture to several individuals and every
> time the caption, date and description was "transferred" to the
> Attached Pic and I was able to confirm that in the Media Gallery for
> the individuals.
>
> However... the data is stored in the PicList.dbm file which is in the
> folder where the picture is stored. If you move the picture or rename
> it, you will lose the data stored in that file.
>
> If you move all pics in that folder to a new folder, then you need to
> make sure you move the PicList.dbm file as well. If you move part of
> the pics, there's no way to take the dbm file along with it.
>
> The programmers are trying to think of a better way to store the data
> to avoid this caveat
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
> Legacy Family Tree
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Jo Poi  wrote:
> > Sherry
> > The method that the Picture Centre help files give are the same as what I
> > have described, and give the result as I described.
> >
> > CE
> > You have summed the situation up perfectly, why is it necessary to use such
> > a convoluted process ?
> >
> > Jo Poi


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Re: [LegacyUG] New computer: what order to do these?

[Mary Young]

On 6 January 2014 13:16, Duane Baker  wrote:

> What is the argument for keeping both V7 and V8 on the same computer?
>

In my case, one of my Family Files is shared with someone who hasn't yet
upgraded to V8 (and may never do so).



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Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture

[Sherry/Support]

If you have added the caption, date and description to the Picture
List tab, then when you attach the picture, it should be showing on
the Attached Pics tab.

You have to add it to the Picture List tab *before* attaching the picture.

This sticks and goes along with attaching the picture every time
it's not at all convuluted!

I've just linked the same picture to several individuals and every
time the caption, date and description was "transferred" to the
Attached Pic and I was able to confirm that in the Media Gallery for
the individuals.

However... the data is stored in the PicList.dbm file which is in the
folder where the picture is stored. If you move the picture or rename
it, you will lose the data stored in that file.

If you move all pics in that folder to a new folder, then you need to
make sure you move the PicList.dbm file as well. If you move part of
the pics, there's no way to take the dbm file along with it.

The programmers are trying to think of a better way to store the data
to avoid this caveat



Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Jo Poi  wrote:
> Sherry
> The method that the Picture Centre help files give are the same as what I
> have described, and give the result as I described.
>
> CE
> You have summed the situation up perfectly, why is it necessary to use such
> a convoluted process ?
>
> Jo Poi
>
>



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RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture

[Jo Poi]

Sherry The method that the Picture Centre help files give are the same
as what I have described, and give the result as I described.   CE You
have summed the situation up perfectly, why is it necessary to use
such a convoluted process ?

Jo Poi

On 06 January 2014 at 1:06 AM, "CE WOOD"  wrote:   She is
wondering why the convoluted process. It is a major pain to have to
jump through so many hoops when most pictures have the same caption,
date, and description.
Considering Legacy is based on Access, it is possible to allow the
entry at the Individual/Event/whatever level to carry over to the
Picture Center and ALSO have a way to add specific details to a
specific use of that picture. Programmers can do it; it's just a
matter of doing it
CE
 > From: she...@legacyfamilytree.com
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture
> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 14:14:45 -0800
>
> When you're in Picture Center, if you add the Caption< Date and
> Description to the Picture List tab, then it will be automatically
> added when you link a picture.
>
> If it's added to the "Attached Pics" tab, then it applies only to
that
> instance you're linking to.
>
> This is fully explained in the Help file for Picture Center.
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
> Legacy Family Tree
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 7:21 AM, Jo Poi  wrote:
> > I'm curious to find ot why.
> > If I go to Picture Centre and complete details on the picture of
> > Caption/Date/Description.
> > When I attach to any person from the Picture Centre the
> > Caption/Date/Description all appear with the picture.
> > But when I attach the same picture via the individual's
information to for
> > eg, an event or marriage picture or baptism picture, the
> > Caption/Date/Description do not appear.
> > As the 2nd method is a lot quicker/easier its natural to go this
way, until
> > I realise it is not the way to go.
> > Why is it necessary to use the long way round ?
> >
> > Jo Poi
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Re: [LegacyUG] no issue in preferred marriage

[Bernd Hornung]

False alarm.  Got caught up in early Massachusetts looping families
where they only used 5-6 first names and got lost.  Now am found.

Bernie

On 06/01/2014 10:24 AM, Sherry/Support wrote:
> On the Marriage Information window, click "This couple had o children"
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
> Legacy Family Tree
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Bernd Hornung  wrote:
>> I have come across a situation where the family member (wife) is the
>> family member and the second wife of the husband.  Accordingly I would
>> set this as the preferred marriage.  They had no children but I cannot
>> enter this option by way of the tick box.  Is this an issue with others?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Bernie
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] no issue in preferred marriage

[Sherry/Support]

On the Marriage Information window, click "This couple had o children"


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Bernd Hornung  wrote:
> I have come across a situation where the family member (wife) is the
> family member and the second wife of the husband.  Accordingly I would
> set this as the preferred marriage.  They had no children but I cannot
> enter this option by way of the tick box.  Is this an issue with others?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bernie



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[LegacyUG] no issue in preferred marriage

[Bernd Hornung]

I have come across a situation where the family member (wife) is the
family member and the second wife of the husband.  Accordingly I would
set this as the preferred marriage.  They had no children but I cannot
enter this option by way of the tick box.  Is this an issue with others?

Thanks

Bernie
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RE: [LegacyUG] Unknown Maiden names (Was: When to use est and when to use abt)

[David Abernathy]

I do something that is similar

Mary ? (Wife of George Smith)

I also use a similar format for unknown husbands and parents

? Smith (Husband of Mary Jones)

? Smith (Father of Mary Smith)





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From: Karen Blackmore [mailto:stk...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 7:35 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Maiden names (Was: When to use est and when to 
use abt)



Since I nad too many women whose names were Mary, Elizabeth, and Catherine, I 
came up with this method.



With an unknown woman's surname I put her first name in the appropriate place 
followed by

(sp of [husband's first name or initial] and then in the surname  box I put 
[husband's surname])

So, the () are in two different spaces.  I believe you'll find that it is then 
found in the appropriate surname but it's obvious that it's not hers.



Perhaps this will show as an example:

Mary (sp of George

Smith)



Good luck.

Karen





On Monday, January 6, 2014 2:57 AM, Kathy Thompson  wrote:

I use [---?---] for an unknown surname regardless of gender.

The beauty of Legacy is that I can have in Index view "Show Alternate Names" or 
"Show Married Names" activated and so my "Mary [---?---]" will appear in the 
list under her married name and I don't have to go searching too far for her.



On 6 January 2014 19:34, David Newton  wrote:

Agreed but it can be difficult when you don't know the maiden name. I
started by leaving it blank and then ended up with a collection of
forenames at the front of my index. So I now go with the married surname
and a title suffix of spouse. These have the advantage of showing in the
index in a more appropriate place and also it is easy to produce a list
by searching for suffix "spouse"

On 06/01/2014 09:21, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:
> SNIP
> And everyone PLEASE stop putting a womans married name in the surname
> box. her surname is/was her maiden name.
> When gedcoms are passed on or info taken from a source that has done
> that I diligently verify it only to find 98% are in fact having their
> married name entered in the surname box.
>SNIP



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Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Maiden names (Was: When to use est and when to use abt)

[Karen Blackmore]

Since I nad too many women whose names were Mary, Elizabeth, and Catherine, I 
came up with this method. 

With an unknown woman's surname I put her first name in the appropriate place 
followed by
(sp of [husband's first name or initial] and then in the surname  box I put 
[husband's surname])
So, the () are in two different spaces.  I believe you'll find that it is then 
found in the appropriate surname but it's obvious that it's not hers. 

Perhaps this will show as an example:
Mary (sp of George
Smith)

Good luck.
Karen
 



On Monday, January 6, 2014 2:57 AM, Kathy Thompson  wrote:

I use [---?---] for an unknown surname regardless of gender.

The beauty of Legacy is that I can have in Index view "Show Alternate Names" or 
"Show Married Names" activated and so my "Mary [---?---]" will appear in the 
list under her married name and I don't have to go searching too far for her.




On 6 January 2014 19:34, David Newton  wrote:

Agreed but it can be difficult when you don't know the maiden name. I
>started by leaving it blank and then ended up with a collection of
>forenames at the front of my index. So I now go with the married surname
>and a title suffix of spouse. These have the advantage of showing in the
>index in a more appropriate place and also it is easy to produce a list
>by searching for suffix "spouse"
>
>On 06/01/2014 09:21, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:
>> SNIP
>> And everyone PLEASE stop putting a womans married name in the surname
>> box. her surname is/was her maiden name.
>> When gedcoms are passed on or info taken from a source that has done
>> that I diligently verify it only to find 98% are in fact having their
>> married name entered in the surname box.
>>SNIP
>
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] New member

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

BEFORE you contact support for this problem, check your own spam filters and/or 
look in you “junk” or “spam” folder of email to see if they are getting through 
but just being routed there.



Brian in CA





From: Sue and Garry Mills [mailto:sue...@iinet.net.au]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 4:52 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] New member



Hi,

I have joined the user group several times but never get any mail. Just 
wondering if this email gets through. J

Sue



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RE: [LegacyUG] can't open my family files

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

All the other responses are mostly correct. I suspect that while you may have 
originally installed v7.4, you also just updated to v7.5 maybe by accident and 
didn't realize it. That is why you now v7.5 is asking you to convert. Before 
you convert, I'd use Windows File Manager to create a copy of your family file 
and add the label of v7.4 in the file name and save it just in case you ever 
want to go back. I don't know why you'd ever want to go back to v7.4 but making 
that copy gives you the chance. The fire up Legacy v7.5 and go ahead and 
convert your family file (not the v7.4 one) and enjoy.  Keep your v7.4 
installation disc and don't throw it away. You can always re-install v7.4 and 
update from there if needed.

Brian in CA


-Original Message-
From: Turnham [mailto:bdturn...@comcast.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 12:48 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] can't open my family files

Hello all

I have just joined this group and hope that someone can help me. I haven't used 
my Legacy for some time.  I purchased the De Luxe version
7.4 (from my disc) but maybe I updated from there but I can't get into the 
program to check as explained next.

I went in today and tried to open a family file.  It said that the format had 
changed and did I want to convert to the new format and cautioned that if I did 
that I might not be able to see the data or something like that.  I clicked 
don't convert but I could not open the family file.  Would someone please 
explain what is going on? Thanks for any help.

Barbara





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Re: [LegacyUG] Gender colors

[Robert57P_gmail]

Thank you.  That top msg of the "Set Color Scheme" did not sink in. I
ASSUMED I could only click on the links within that SET COLOR SCHEME box
- did not realize once that box is up that items on the main window in
the background were selectable/changeable.

Thanks much,
Bob

On 01/06/2014 07:05, Bert van Kootwijk wrote:
> Rightclick on background. > Change colour scheme > Click on name of a
> child > Set desired colours for text. > save
>
> Bert
>
>
> Graham Love schreef op 6-1-2014 12:42:
>> I don't think you can do it in 8 - I've tried various changes.
>> Graham
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Robert57P_gmail [mailto:robert...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: 06 January 2014 06:54
>> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> Subject: [LegacyUG] Gender colors
>>
>> Where do I change the color of male, female, unknown?  I can find it in ver 
>> 7.5, but can not find it in version 8.
>>
>> I like to go with the stereotypical colors Blue = boy pink (or red) = girl 
>> purple = unknown (combination of blue/red)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com).
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Chronology report - options not working

[Brian/Support]

There is a known problem in Chronology view for females. The error is
related to the setting for individual events in the chronology view. A
problem report has been submitted to have this fixed.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

On 04-Jan-2014 10:12 PM, Carolyn wrote:
> Having just watched and thoroughly enjoyed Geoff’s webinar, I have been 
> busily sharing events and have also switched on ‘include  grandchildren’ 
> in the chronology report.
> However for random direct females in my tree, eg both my grandmothers, it 
> will include the shared events, but NOT include children, grandchildren or 
> even birth and death of spouse.
> It will include  all of these options in  chronology reports reports for most 
> people in my database. Have I missed a tick somewhere, has anyone else had 
> the same problem and found the answer please?
>
> Many thanks.
> Carolyn



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RE: [LegacyUG] New member

[Sue and Garry Mills]

Sorry. Meant Jim Terry. J





Thank you Terry and Kurt. The emails are now coming through.

Sue




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RE: [LegacyUG] New member

[Sue and Garry Mills]

Thank you Terry and Kurt. The emails are now coming through.

Sue







Your emails are coming through.  Send request to support@legacyfamilytree to 
reset your Legacy User Group account.  After they do the reset,  you should 
start receiving emails from the group.




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RE: [LegacyUG] New member

[Kurt Kneeland]

Your emails are coming through.  Send request to support@legacyfamilytree to 
reset your Legacy User Group account.  After they do the reset,  you should 
start receiving emails from the group.



From: Sue and Garry Mills [mailto:sue...@iinet.net.au]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 6:52 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] New member



Hi,

I have joined the user group several times but never get any mail. Just 
wondering if this email gets through. J

Sue



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RE: [LegacyUG] Cloning settings to 2nd computer

[Kurt Kneeland]

On your desktop copy, be sure you have clicked "Save ALL current settings as 
User-Defaults" (under Options -> Customize -> Options for Default Settings).

Then copy all the .usr files in your My Documents/Legacy Family 
Tree/_AppData/usr to the matching directory on your lapton.

Then in Legacy on the laptop, Options - Customize -> Options for Default 
Settings -> Reset to User-Defaults.



-Original Message-
From: Robert57P_gmail [mailto:robert...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 12:53 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Cloning settings to 2nd computer

Once I have version 8 "tweaked" how I like it on my desktop PC, what files to I 
need to copy to my laptop to have those same "tweaks" in place?

Also - in the CUSTOMIZE box, there are several settings with "gbl". I'm 
assuming they are GLOBAL.  That is, those settings are in effect no matter what 
family file I open, correct?

And some of the settings have "ff" - I'm guessing those are specific to the 
family file I have opened (correct?).  But what in the heck does "ff" stand for?

Instead of saying "gbl" and "ff", why not just spell them out?

Thanks again for a great upgrade.  Lots of nice new features. Sorry for the 
multiple questions today.  (And, yes, I have tried to find the answers in the 
manual.)

Bob




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[LegacyUG] New member

[Sue and Garry Mills]

Hi,

I have joined the user group several times but never get any mail. Just
wondering if this email gets through. J

Sue




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Re: [LegacyUG] New computer: what order to do these?

[Duane Baker]

What is the argument for keeping both V7 and V8 on the same computer?



On Sunday, January 5, 2014 5:14 PM, Sherry/Support 
 wrote:

On our website www.LegacyFamilyTree.com, go to Help Center > Tips >
Moving Your Family File from One Computer to Another

You'll find detailed instructions on reinstalling Legacy and moving
your data and media files to the new computer.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Dee Ziegler  wrote:
> New computer, Windows7. Advice, please: In what order should these be done?
>
> * Load Legacy7, standard, from flash drive. (Flash drive has two separate
> families, which I'd like to keep separate for now.) I do want to have both
> Legacy7 and Legacy8 on this computer.
>
> *Load Legacy8 software, standard, from website.
>
> *Load the INFORMATION from Legacy7 into the Legacy8 software.
>
> Thanks for sharing your experience with a technotimid user. Dee in Maryland
> 
>



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Re: [LegacyUG] Chronology report - options not working

[Brian/Support]

Do you have the chronology limited to the lifespan of the individual?
Did those missing events occur during her lifetime?

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
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On 04-Jan-2014 10:12 PM, Carolyn wrote:
> Having just watched and thoroughly enjoyed Geoff’s webinar, I have been 
> busily sharing events and have also switched on ‘include  grandchildren’ 
> in the chronology report.
> However for random direct females in my tree, eg both my grandmothers, it 
> will include the shared events, but NOT include children, grandchildren or 
> even birth and death of spouse.
> It will include  all of these options in  chronology reports reports for most 
> people in my database. Have I missed a tick somewhere, has anyone else had 
> the same problem and found the answer please?
>
> Many thanks.
> Carolyn



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Re: [LegacyUG] Gender colors

[Bert van Kootwijk]

Rightclick on background. > Change colour scheme > Click on name of a
child > Set desired colours for text. > save

Bert


Graham Love schreef op 6-1-2014 12:42:
> I don't think you can do it in 8 - I've tried various changes.
> Graham
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert57P_gmail [mailto:robert...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 06 January 2014 06:54
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Gender colors
>
> Where do I change the color of male, female, unknown?  I can find it in ver 
> 7.5, but can not find it in version 8.
>
> I like to go with the stereotypical colors Blue = boy pink (or red) = girl 
> purple = unknown (combination of blue/red)
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
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>
>
>


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Re: [LegacyUG] Gender colors

[Brian/Support]

Options > Change Colours
click on any child's name to bring up the gender colour selections.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
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On 06-Jan-2014 1:54 AM, Robert57P_gmail wrote:
> Where do I change the color of male, female, unknown?  I can find it in
> ver 7.5, but can not find it in version 8.
>
> I like to go with the stereotypical colors
> Blue = boy
> pink (or red) = girl
> purple = unknown (combination of blue/red)
>
> Thanks,
> Bob



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RE: [LegacyUG] Gender colors

[Graham Love]

I don't think you can do it in 8 - I've tried various changes.
Graham


-Original Message-
From: Robert57P_gmail [mailto:robert...@gmail.com]
Sent: 06 January 2014 06:54
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Gender colors

Where do I change the color of male, female, unknown?  I can find it in ver 
7.5, but can not find it in version 8.

I like to go with the stereotypical colors Blue = boy pink (or red) = girl 
purple = unknown (combination of blue/red)

Thanks,
Bob




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Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Maiden names (Was: When to use est and when to use abt)

[Kathy Thompson]

I use [---?---] for an unknown surname regardless of gender.
The beauty of Legacy is that I can have in Index view "Show Alternate
Names" or "Show Married Names" activated and so my "Mary [---?---]" will
appear in the list under her married name and I don't have to go searching
too far for her.


On 6 January 2014 19:34, David Newton  wrote:

> Agreed but it can be difficult when you don't know the maiden name. I
> started by leaving it blank and then ended up with a collection of
> forenames at the front of my index. So I now go with the married surname
> and a title suffix of spouse. These have the advantage of showing in the
> index in a more appropriate place and also it is easy to produce a list
> by searching for suffix "spouse"
>
> On 06/01/2014 09:21, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:
> > SNIP
> > And everyone PLEASE stop putting a womans married name in the surname
> > box. her surname is/was her maiden name.
> > When gedcoms are passed on or info taken from a source that has done
> > that I diligently verify it only to find 98% are in fact having their
> > married name entered in the surname box.
> >SNIP
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[David Newton]

Agreed but it can be difficult when you don't know the maiden name. I
started by leaving it blank and then ended up with a collection of
forenames at the front of my index. So I now go with the married surname
and a title suffix of spouse. These have the advantage of showing in the
index in a more appropriate place and also it is easy to produce a list
by searching for suffix "spouse"

On 06/01/2014 09:21, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:
> SNIP
> And everyone PLEASE stop putting a womans married name in the surname
> box. her surname is/was her maiden name.
> When gedcoms are passed on or info taken from a source that has done
> that I diligently verify it only to find 98% are in fact having their
> married name entered in the surname box.
>SNIP



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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Jay 1FamilyTree]

I agree with most of Kathy's examples.

I never use est unless it is established.
(And for some reason in the back of my head a long time ago I remember some
software when importing gedcom did not properly import est dates)

I ALWAYS use abt for any incomplete dates
 abt 1900  will elicit a complete date from someone, whereas 1900 will just
be read and assumed you dont need the full day and month.

Marriages are always aft birth year +17 of youngest person in couple,  or
marriage is bef the birth year of fist child.
In Kathys example of a child I would still use married bef 2014 (which is
still correct, but at least gives a starting point to look rather than no
info at all)

For childrens birth its is always aft marriage year or after youngest
parents + 17 years.

census age to years is always abt.

As most of my work is intended to be seen by non genealogists I realize
that some data in a field is by far better than no data, especially when
working with large families that inter-married and used the same naming
traditions.

And everyone PLEASE stop putting a womans married name in the surname box.
her surname is/was her maiden name.
When gedcoms are passed on or info taken from a source that has done that I
diligently verify it only to find 98% are in fact having their married name
entered in the surname box.

It's time the genealogy world starts thinking "Big Picture" and how not to
cause further problems in the future.







On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Kathy Thompson wrote:

> Where I have specific dates with specific ages I use about
>  aged X in Y - born About Z
>
>
> Where I have an event occuring at a date and that event can only happen
> after a certain age - marriage, voting, etc - then I use Before
> on an electoral roll in 1921 - born before 1900 (notes: based on min legal
> age of 21 to vote in X location at that time)
> marrying in 1867 - declared as "of full age" - born before 1846 (notes:
> based on "of full age" being the age of 21.)
>
>
> When I have a child of a couple being born/baptised at a known time, I use
> other clues to establish marriage
> Baptism - does the register indicate base born or natural or illegitimacy
> in anoy other way? Yes? then I note that no marriage had occured at that
> time, otherwise I leave it blank as unless you have confirmed ages for the
> parents at that time and therefore know that marriage it likely to be
> within the last year.
> If I had a child next year, and an assumption was made that I married the
> year before the child was born, they'd be wrong. I got married 18 years ago.
> (Yes, Legacy would throw up "First child born too long after marriage"
> warning signs)
>
>
> As for whether to use About or Estimated - I prefer About/Abt simply
> because Est can also mean Established.
>
>
>
> On 6 January 2014 16:52, Valerie B Garton  wrote:
>
>> I have now confused myself:
>>
>> Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890
>>
>> Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818
>>
>> Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 -
>> source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of
>> above
>> child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates
>> assuming
>> parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child
>>
>> Any more suggestions please ?
>>
>> Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney
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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[David Newton]

As an alternative to notes I have a Master Source called "Inference
based on Other Data" (call it anything you want) and within that source
I give the methods and data by which I arrive at an entry (dates &
places usually). So for an estimated birth year I might quote any record
which mentions an age and if they are inconsistent then give an
estimated range of birth dates.

David

On 06/01/2014 07:18, Robert57P_gmail wrote:
> My thought would be:
>
> abt = you have some pretty solid evidence, but not exact (or if the
> evidence said "about")
>
> est = YOU made an educated guess, or you KNOW someone else made an
> educated guess.  For example if you had the birth date of 1st and 3rd
> child, and you had no date on 2nd child but you stuck in a date so 2nd
> child would show up in correct order.  YOU SHOULD PROBABLY PUT A NOTE
> about this for that child, stating that it was a guess and not based
> upon any solid evidence.  But I'm not sure if putting in things like
> this is wise 'cause someone else might not see your notes and may take
> the guess as solid evidence for their file . . .
>
> Bob
>
> On 01/06/2014 02:08, Kathy Thompson wrote:
>> Where I have specific dates with specific ages I use about
>> aged X in Y - born About Z
>>
>>
>> Where I have an event occuring at a date and that event can only
>> happen after a certain age - marriage, voting, etc - then I use Before
>> on an electoral roll in 1921 - born before 1900 (notes: based on min
>> legal age of 21 to vote in X location at that time)
>> marrying in 1867 - declared as "of full age" - born before 1846
>> (notes: based on "of full age" being the age of 21.)
>>
>>
>> When I have a child of a couple being born/baptised at a known time, I
>> use other clues to establish marriage
>> Baptism - does the register indicate base born or natural or
>> illegitimacy in anoy other way? Yes? then I note that no marriage had
>> occured at that time, otherwise I leave it blank as unless you have
>> confirmed ages for the parents at that time and therefore know that
>> marriage it likely to be within the last year.
>> If I had a child next year, and an assumption was made that I married
>> the year before the child was born, they'd be wrong. I got married 18
>> years ago.
>> (Yes, Legacy would throw up "First child born too long after marriage"
>> warning signs)
>>
>>
>> As for whether to use About or Estimated - I prefer About/Abt simply
>> because Est can also mean Established.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6 January 2014 16:52, Valerie B Garton > > wrote:
>>
>> I have now confused myself:
>>
>> Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890
>>
>> Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818
>>
>> Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 -
>> source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child
>> Parents of above
>> child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth
>> dates assuming
>> parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child
>>
>> Any more suggestions please ?
>>
>> Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney
>>
>>
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