Re: [LegacyUG] English locations

[Louise]

Thanks for the tip!  I've been using Genuki www.genuki.org.uk/ and A Vision
of Britain Through Time  http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/ to locate
places.  Now I can get another view of relationships between parishes in
the family.

On 12 April 2016 at 11:38, Phil Lamb  wrote:

> An excellent resource to help in locating/explaining English parishes,
> villages, Reg Districts etc. albeit only for 1851.
>
> http://londonfamilyhistory.org/jurisdiction-maps/
>
> Phil
>
> ps - nice to see some comments appearing from the UK, I thought there were
> only 4 Legacy users here.
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Re: [LegacyUG] How do I enter English locations in Legacy

[Steve Hayes]

On 12 Apr 2016 at 20:03, Jenny M Benson wrote:

> On 12/04/2016 18:56, LizDennis wrote:
> > I only use RD (Registration District) etc in sourcing my document, not
> > sure how you could incorporate that into an "address" that's just the
> > place the event was "registered".
> 
> It is not an address, as such, but as a Location it is not much more 
> vague than the name of a town and is better than nothing at all if it's 
> the only information you have.  Vital Events are (or should be) 
> registered in the District in which they take place, so it is quite 
> acceptable to say that someone was born, married or died in "XYZ 
> Registration District."

Where the alternative is simply to use the name of the county, then I use the 
registration district, as it is more precide than the country alone. 

Someone sent me a family tree recently where large numbers of family members 
were shown as born/married in "Lambeth, Surrey, England", presumably from 
FreeBMD. From checking them, I discovered, from censuses, that some of those 
were born in Brixton, so I used that instead. I used to live in Steatham, 
worked at Brixton London Transport garage, and drove buses between Croydon 
and the Embankment, so I know many of the places within the Lambeth 
registration district, and didn't really think of them as "Lambeth", but even 
"Lambeth" is more precise than "London". 

What I'm not sure of is when places like Brixton (or Deptford, mentioned by 
the OP) ceased to be thought of as part of a county and just became "Brixton, 
London, England. 

I have a similar problem with South African places, where, however, dates are 
more precisely known. If it was before 31 May 1910, I put "Cape Town, Cape 
Colony". But if I want to transfer that from Legacy to FamilySearch it wants 
me to use a standardised place name, and all the ones it offers are 
anachronistic, and sometimes just plain wrong. That's not Legacy's fault, but 
rather a problem with FamilySearch where someone needs to do some research 
with gazetteers and get the place names right. Some of the standard place 
names do reflect the weird obsession with using exactly four place names, 
like "Durban, Durban, Natal, South Africa".

That reminds me of:

James James Morrison Morrison Wetherby George DuPree
Took very good care of his mother though he was only three. 




> 
> Someone commented that "Registration District" would not mean anything 
> to an American, other than a genealogist.  The same can be said of lots 
> of "foreign country terminology".  If the products of my research were 
> being made available to another genealogist I would expect them to be 
> interested enough to find out what was meant by "Registration District." 
>   If I was relating my family history to an interested non-genealogist I would
> take the trouble to explain any important aspect with which they might not be
> familiar.  I don't think "someone might not know about that" is a good reason
> for not using correct terminology.
> 
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Re: [LegacyUG] How to Print Text/Comments in Sources

[Robert Sterry]

Thanks heaps Linda. Worked perfectly. Just what I wanted. Greatly appreciated.

 

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Sent: Wednesday, 13 April 2016 11:09 AM
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to Print Text/Comments in Sources

 

Customize 7.3 and click the box in front of the 3 and 4th items. (I have the 
first two also checked.  Be sure to click the APPLY buton and then the Save 
button.

 

I might suggest that you go to the Sample family and create a source with the 
text and comments for anyone and then make these above selections, apply and 
save.  See what happens by going back and previewing the Descendant book of the 
sample family.  Is that what you want?  This is not a global change to all your 
family data bases.  So doing the testing with the sample family you don't have 
to worry about making a major mistake. (Geoff would never recognize his family 
from my sample data base!!!)

 

Linda

 

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Robert Sterry  > wrote:

Can anyone please tell me how to include Source Text/Comments when printing 
Descendant Books please?

 

Just to clarify. I’m not talking about the Source Details.

 

Many thanks

 

Robert Sterry

 

 


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Re: [LegacyUG] LUG vs FB vs on line forums

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Re: [LegacyUG] English locations

[Anne Lo Forte Willson]

Was your immigrant's father really only 14 when the immigrant was born?

Anne

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 12, 2016, at 6:23 PM, Linda Greethurst  wrote:
> 
> Phil and Eliz,
> thank you for the links.  I'm just getting started with the English research 
> and really feel overwhelmed - even when it is in English!!!.  My immigrant 
> was born in 1804, his father in 1790 and the grandfather I think mid 1700.  
> And that's when I realized I dont' know what I'm doing.  These websies will 
> be studied closely.
> Linda
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Eliz Hanebury  wrote:
>> Speaking of which GENUKI is a font of information for the County you
>> are working in and can be very helpful in sorting out Parishes.
>> www.genuki.org.uk/
>> Eliz
>> Not Today and Not without a Fight
>> (Anon)
>> 
>> For all that has been, thanks.
>> For all that will be, yes.
>> (Dag Hammarskjold)
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Phil Lamb  wrote:
>> > An excellent resource to help in locating/explaining English parishes,
>> > villages, Reg Districts etc. albeit only for 1851.
>> >
>> > http://londonfamilyhistory.org/jurisdiction-maps/
>> >
>> > Phil
>> >
>> > ps - nice to see some comments appearing from the UK, I thought there were
>> > only 4 Legacy users here.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [LegacyUG] LUG vs FB vs on line forums

[Curt Barnes]

Ward,

 

Thanks for the info. The amount of mail showing up is amazing and I will figure 
w away to deal with it. Does this method of users group not impact Internet 
Provider traffic?

 

I noticed questions on another topic that applied to me. Kid born in one place 
and then taken to another. My dad was in the NAVY, we traveled a lot. While 
stationed in Virginia so he could work in Washington DC I was born at Bethesda 
Naval Hospital in Maryland and taken “home” to Virginia days later. When I 
enter the birth event I used the Virginia as location and the hospital as the 
address of the event.

 

Lots of questions to ask. I guess I’ll just make a master list and toss a few 
out from time to time.

 

Thanks in advance

Curt

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Ward Walker
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 11:59 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] LUG vs FB vs on line forums

 

Curt,

 

The mailing list does have some of the aspects of an online forum, if you use 
the list archive. There is a search function for the archived e-mails, so you 
can look for topics that have previously been asked and answered. Of course, 
ask again here if the search results do not quite hit the mark.

 

The volume of e-mail is best managed by using your mail client to automatically 
filter them into a separate folder.

 

The Facebook group appears to be helping the many newcomers a lot, due to the 
ability to use pictures. I find the mail list easier for quickly browsing 
through the e-mails/postings. First of all, the FB users seem to be unwilling 
to start each new post with a subject/topic line. The mail list has subject 
lines. Sometimes these are not used correctly (hijacked threads, non-specific 
subjects), but often they are. Secondly, on FB the latest additions to a topic 
are buried in the comments.

 

  Ward

 

From: Curt Barnes   

Sent: Monday, 11 April, 2016 4:11 PM

To: 'Legacy User Group'   

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] LUG vs FB

 

Michelle,

 

I’m new to The Legacy User Group but have been using Legacy for about 4-5 
years. 

 

I’m not quite sure how this works. Are there instructions for formatting 
addresses ( I noticed the “on behalf of” tag) and how the group works or 
functions. As soon as I signed up I started getting all kinds user group email. 
Is this the norm. Am I doing something wrong? I was originally looking for an 
on line forum ( many software companies have them) so I would not swamp the 
legacy folks with question that probably have already been answered.

 

I don’t use and have avoided FaceBook as a matter of habit. Don’t use a smart 
phone( someday maybe) so don’t know if Facebook Legacy User group can be 
accessed any other way or if it would justify doing so. I’m open to any 
suggestions. I have many questions I know are already asked and answered. But 
where and how is the best way to ask for myself?

 

Thanks in advance.

Curt Barnes

(majority of my family is from Alabama and Tennessee, Barnes’s, Brown’s, 
Hamilton’s, Carter’s, Lloyd’s, and many more.

 

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Re: [LegacyUG] delete my goddam account, i am sick of this

[Leslie Bagwell]

I have not posted here, but don't like all the negative comments, so 
unsubscribed yesterday, even got a message that I was unsubscribed, but 
still receiving all messages.  So now, deleting without reading


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Re: [LegacyUG] unwanted e.mails

[Cathy Pinner]

Reg,
Then you don't want to be on this list at all as family specific emails 
are off topic.


Go to

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Scroll right down to the bottom and enter your email address in the last 
box and click the button next to it - Unsubscribe and edit options.

On the next screen click the Unsubscribe button.
Watch for an email.
Follow the instructions in that email to confirm you want to unsubscribe.

If you mean Frome, Somerset, England - maybe you want to join the 
Rootsweb Somerset mailing list - but you'll get all emails sent to the 
list, not just ones about Kemp. That's how mailing lists work.


Cathy

kems...@aussiebb.com.au wrote:

Please tell me how I can stop unwanted emails.
I only want those emails that concern the Kemp family from frome and
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Re: [LegacyUG] How do I enter English locations in Legacy

[Cathy Pinner]

Linda,

You're entering English research in the more difficult time period pre 
civil registration. There's a webinar coming up on 27 April which you 
should watch.


http://familytreewebinars.com/webinar_details.php?webinar_id=401

England and Wales - Rummaging in the Parish Chests
by Kirsty Gray | Intermediate | England | Wales | Church Records |

The parish registers of baptisms, marriages and burials in England and 
Wales give many genealogical clues to help build a family tree. Kirsty 
Gray also highlights other documents kept by the parish, the diocese and 
the archdeaconry and the invaluable information which can be gleaned 
about the lives of our ancestors.


There is also a free webinar on using FindMyPast.
http://familytreewebinars.com/download.php?webinar_id=403
Depending on which counties your ancestors lived in, FindMyPast is 
invaluable as it has the Parish Register images. Ancestry is invaluable 
for other counties for which it has the images. I have to have both.


Cathy

Linda Greethurst wrote:


Thank you everyone for the explanations and I really like the samples.
I am new to research in England - just getting started. Lots of
flexibility over the years, isn't there. Much studying and research
on the history is ahead before I can really do more accurate genealogy
data entry. I have printed off all the notes for closer study. I had
seen discussion on locations but not specifically for England. Thanks
again for taking the time to answer my questions so positively. I am
beginning to see why I can't find some of the ancestors - I'm probably
looking in the wrong place, wrong record set.
Linda

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Re: [LegacyUG] Question on entries

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Thanks Linda. I've been looking everywhere for a death record, but no luck. My 
g-grandmother was a sister of Peter Schommer (1826-1898). Even though I have no 
hard proof, I think Petri 1799 - ? was their father. I do have hard proof of 
some of Peter's (b. 1826) siblings, and they seem to fit perfectly. But the 
hard proof for their father is not coming easy. They were German, and the whole 
family seems to have been born in the Prussian area of Saarland.
Ed 

On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 7:52 PM, Linda Greethurst  
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 Ed,My initial thought is that these are two different children. I would look 
for a death record of the first one (b1799).But even if you don't find a death, 
I would still keep them as 2 separate entities until you can prove differently. 
 Not sure what nationaliy you are working with but Peter (Petri) and Joseph 
(Josephus) were both Saints names, so if they both survived childhood one might 
be called Petri and the other Joseph.  Or they could have been named after 
grandfathers who had similar names.  Just my 2cents worth.Linda
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Thank you very much for the replies. Although this was a gut feeling that they 
were the same person, I did not throw out the possibility that they were 
actually 2 different people. I know things much stranger than this will be 
found in genealogy.
But the replies did give me things to consider, and I do appreciate that. Even 
though I consider myself slightly above a rank beginner in genealogy, I know 
I'n not beyond making a rookie mistake either.  Thanks again.
Ed 

On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 5:07 PM, Pat Hickin  wrote:
 

 Yes, what Jenny says is true -- if you don't list them as two separate people 
I'd certainly add that possibility in the notes.
Pat
On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Jenny M Benson  wrote:

  On 12/04/2016 19:29, Ed Ladendorf wrote:
  
  Although I have to question the source, I do have sources from 
familysearch.org for siblings, one of which is almost certainly a direct 
ancestor of mine. Here's the problem: These are from the same parents - one 
name listed is Petri Schommer 1799 - ?. The other is Petri Josephus Schommer 
(note name similarities) 1801 - ?. Both records were submitted by the same 
contributor, on the same day. The only difference in citing the source (IGI 
index) is that part of one citation is 2:1:MGHL, while the other is 2:1:MRSV. 
My gut feeling is that  one of these is wrong, and they are the same person. 
This whole family is new for me, with the exception of my direct ancestor, b 
1799. I have only secondary sources for the birth. I found six siblings. 
Pertaining to entering this in a database, how would you handle that? I would 
appreciate ideas, since I have not entered them yet. 
  
  
 Why do you believe that these two entries are the same person?  It is not 
uncommon (certainly in England) for a child to be given the same (or a similar) 
name as an earlier sibling which died.  I even have one instance of two 
brothers being named Edward John and John Edward, both of them surviving 
childhood.  The patron who submitted these records obviously believed them to 
be 2 different children and I would treat them as such until I could confirm 
otherwise, but the priority would be to do my own research.
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Re: [LegacyUG] How to Print Text/Comments in Sources

[Pat Hickin]

If you're talking about the "Text of Source" tab -- in Basic, anyway --
there'is an option at the bottom left of that window to that you can check
to include on reports -- and then you can choose whether to include it the
First time or Each time.

Pat

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wrote:

> Can anyone please tell me how to include Source Text/Comments when
> printing Descendant Books please?
>
>
>
> Just to clarify. I’m not talking about the Source Details.
>
>
>
> Many thanks
>
>
>
> Robert Sterry
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] How to Print Text/Comments in Sources

[Linda Greethurst]

Customize 7.3 and click the box in front of the 3 and 4th items. (I have
the first two also checked.  Be sure to click the APPLY buton and then the
Save button.

I might suggest that you go to the Sample family and create a source with
the text and comments for anyone and then make these above selections,
apply and save.  See what happens by going back and previewing the
Descendant book of the sample family.  Is that what you want?  This is not
a global change to all your family data bases.  So doing the testing with
the sample family you don't have to worry about making a major mistake.
(Geoff would never recognize his family from my sample data base!!!)

Linda

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wrote:

> Can anyone please tell me how to include Source Text/Comments when
> printing Descendant Books please?
>
>
>
> Just to clarify. I’m not talking about the Source Details.
>
>
>
> Many thanks
>
>
>
> Robert Sterry
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] How to Print Text/Comments in Sources

[Linda Greethurst]

I forgot to add - I think that you have to click EACH apply button - but
not sure on that.
Linda

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Robert Sterry 
wrote:

> Can anyone please tell me how to include Source Text/Comments when
> printing Descendant Books please?
>
>
>
> Just to clarify. I’m not talking about the Source Details.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Question on entries

[Linda Greethurst]

Ed,
My initial thought is that these are two different children. I would look
for a death record of the first one (b1799).
But even if you don't find a death, I would still keep them as 2 separate
entities until you can prove differently.  Not sure what nationaliy you are
working with but Peter (Petri) and Joseph (Josephus) were both Saints
names, so if they both survived childhood one might be called Petri and the
other Joseph.  Or they could have been named after grandfathers who had
similar names.  Just my 2cents worth.
Linda

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> Thank you very much for the replies. Although this was a gut feeling that
> they were the same person, I did not throw out the possibility that they
> were actually 2 different people. I know things much stranger than this
> will be found in genealogy.
>
> But the replies did give me things to consider, and I do appreciate that.
> Even though I consider myself slightly above a rank beginner in genealogy,
> I know I'n not beyond making a rookie mistake either. [image: *:-$ don't
> tell anyone shh!] Thanks again.
>
> Ed
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 5:07 PM, Pat Hickin  wrote:
>
>
> Yes, what Jenny says is true -- if you don't list them as two separate
> people I'd certainly add that possibility in the notes.
>
> Pat
>
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Jenny M Benson 
> wrote:
>
> On 12/04/2016 19:29, Ed Ladendorf wrote:
>
> Although I have to question the source, I do have sources from
> familysearch.org for siblings, one of which is almost certainly a direct
> ancestor of mine. Here's the problem: These are from the same parents - one
> name listed is Petri Schommer 1799 - ?. The other is Petri Josephus
> Schommer (note name similarities) 1801 - ?. Both records were submitted by
> the same contributor, on the same day. The only difference in citing the
> source (IGI index) is that part of one citation is 2:1:MGHL, while the
> other is 2:1:MRSV. My gut feeling is that one of these is wrong, and they
> are the same person. This whole family is new for me, with the exception of
> my direct ancestor, b 1799. I have only secondary sources for the birth. I
> found six siblings. Pertaining to entering this in a database, how would
> you handle that? I would appreciate ideas, since I have not entered them
> yet.
>
>
> Why do you believe that these two entries are the same person?  It is not
> uncommon (certainly in England) for a child to be given the same (or a
> similar) name as an earlier sibling which died.  I even have one instance
> of two brothers being named Edward John and John Edward, both of them
> surviving childhood.  The patron who submitted these records obviously
> believed them to be 2 different children and I would treat them as such
> until I could confirm otherwise, but the priority would be to do my own
> research.
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[LegacyUG] unwanted e.mails

[kemsafe]

Please tell me how I can stop unwanted emails.
I only want those emails that concern the Kemp family from frome and
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Re: [LegacyUG] How do I enter English locations in Legacy

[Linda Greethurst]

Thank you everyone for the explanations and I really like the samples. I am
new to research in England - just getting started.  Lots of flexibility
over the years, isn't there.  Much studying and research on the history is
ahead before I can really do more accurate genealogy data entry.  I have
printed off all the notes for closer study.  I had seen discussion on
locations but not specifically for England.  Thanks again for taking the
time to answer my questions so positively.  I am beginning to see why I
can't find some of the ancestors - I'm probably looking in the wrong place,
wrong record set.
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Re: [LegacyUG] English locations

[Linda Greethurst]

Phil and Eliz,
thank you for the links.  I'm just getting started with the English
research and really feel overwhelmed - even when it is in English!!!.  My
immigrant was born in 1804, his father in 1790 and the grandfather I think
mid 1700.  And that's when I realized I dont' know what I'm doing.  These
websies will be studied closely.
Linda

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> Speaking of which GENUKI is a font of information for the County you
> are working in and can be very helpful in sorting out Parishes.
> www.genuki.org.uk/
> Eliz
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>
>
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Phil Lamb  wrote:
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> > villages, Reg Districts etc. albeit only for 1851.
> >
> > http://londonfamilyhistory.org/jurisdiction-maps/
> >
> > Phil
> >
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[LegacyUG] How to Print Text/Comments in Sources

[Robert Sterry]

Can anyone please tell me how to include Source Text/Comments when printing
Descendant Books please?

 

Just to clarify. I'm not talking about the Source Details.

 

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Re: [LegacyUG] By the way

[Linda Greethurst]

Pat,
When you open your Legacy program, there 6 tabs right under the ribbon.
The first one is Legacy Home and the Legacy News is right there at the
top.  It is updated as articles come out.  Each title heading is a link
(even though it might not be blue) - just click on any article title that
grabs your attentions for the "rest of the story"!
Linda

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Re: [LegacyUG] Question on entries

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Thank you very much for the replies. Although this was a gut feeling that they 
were the same person, I did not throw out the possibility that they were 
actually 2 different people. I know things much stranger than this will be 
found in genealogy.
But the replies did give me things to consider, and I do appreciate that. Even 
though I consider myself slightly above a rank beginner in genealogy, I know 
I'n not beyond making a rookie mistake either.  Thanks again.
Ed 

On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 5:07 PM, Pat Hickin  wrote:
 

 Yes, what Jenny says is true -- if you don't list them as two separate people 
I'd certainly add that possibility in the notes.
Pat
On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Jenny M Benson  wrote:

  On 12/04/2016 19:29, Ed Ladendorf wrote:
  
  Although I have to question the source, I do have sources from 
familysearch.org for siblings, one of which is almost certainly a direct 
ancestor of mine. Here's the problem: These are from the same parents - one 
name listed is Petri Schommer 1799 - ?. The other is Petri Josephus Schommer 
(note name similarities) 1801 - ?. Both records were submitted by the same 
contributor, on the same day. The only difference in citing the source (IGI 
index) is that part of one citation is 2:1:MGHL, while the other is 2:1:MRSV. 
My gut feeling is that  one of these is wrong, and they are the same person. 
This whole family is new for me, with the exception of my direct ancestor, b 
1799. I have only secondary sources for the birth. I found six siblings. 
Pertaining to entering this in a database, how would you handle that? I would 
appreciate ideas, since I have not entered them yet. 
  
  
 Why do you believe that these two entries are the same person?  It is not 
uncommon (certainly in England) for a child to be given the same (or a similar) 
name as an earlier sibling which died.  I even have one instance of two 
brothers being named Edward John and John Edward, both of them surviving 
childhood.  The patron who submitted these records obviously believed them to 
be 2 different children and I would treat them as such until I could confirm 
otherwise, but the priority would be to do my own research.
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Re: [LegacyUG] delete my goddam account, i am sick of this

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Here we go again---now a bunch more will ask to be unsubscribed.   How
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Re: [LegacyUG] delete my goddam account, i am sick of this

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There is no need for rudeness, no matter how bad you feel about the 
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Re: [LegacyUG] delete my goddam account, i am sick of this

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You have Gmail. Just flag it as spam. It will go away. Same for everyone
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Re: [LegacyUG] Question on entries

[Pat Hickin]

Yes, what Jenny says is true -- if you don't list them as two separate
people I'd certainly add that possibility in the notes.

Pat

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Jenny M Benson 
wrote:

> On 12/04/2016 19:29, Ed Ladendorf wrote:
>
> Although I have to question the source, I do have sources from
> familysearch.org for siblings, one of which is almost certainly a direct
> ancestor of mine. Here's the problem: These are from the same parents - one
> name listed is Petri Schommer 1799 - ?. The other is Petri Josephus
> Schommer (note name similarities) 1801 - ?. Both records were submitted by
> the same contributor, on the same day. The only difference in citing the
> source (IGI index) is that part of one citation is 2:1:MGHL, while the
> other is 2:1:MRSV. My gut feeling is that one of these is wrong, and they
> are the same person. This whole family is new for me, with the exception of
> my direct ancestor, b 1799. I have only secondary sources for the birth. I
> found six siblings. Pertaining to entering this in a database, how would
> you handle that? I would appreciate ideas, since I have not entered them
> yet.
>
>
> Why do you believe that these two entries are the same person?  It is not
> uncommon (certainly in England) for a child to be given the same (or a
> similar) name as an earlier sibling which died.  I even have one instance
> of two brothers being named Edward John and John Edward, both of them
> surviving childhood.  The patron who submitted these records obviously
> believed them to be 2 different children and I would treat them as such
> until I could confirm otherwise, but the priority would be to do my own
> research.
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] By the way

[Michele/Support]

Pat, 

You can access it here

 

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How does one get the newsletter??  I've subscribed to it but have yet to see a 
single issue.  Is there a way I can get to it online?

 

Pat

 

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Re: [LegacyUG] English locations

[Eliz Hanebury]

Speaking of which GENUKI is a font of information for the County you
are working in and can be very helpful in sorting out Parishes.
www.genuki.org.uk/
Eliz
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> An excellent resource to help in locating/explaining English parishes,
> villages, Reg Districts etc. albeit only for 1851.
>
> http://londonfamilyhistory.org/jurisdiction-maps/
>
> Phil
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> only 4 Legacy users here.
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Re: [LegacyUG] By the way

[Pat Hickin]

*How* does one get the newsletter??  I've subscribed to it but have yet to
see a single issue.  Is there a way I can get to it online?

Pat

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Re: [LegacyUG] How do I enter English locations in Legacy

[Ward Walker]

Linda,

You raise a couple of topics that have been discussed on this list many times. 
One is your first question: where to put the church name. People continue to 
offer several different opinions for both church/cemetery names and street 
addresses. Some shy away from the Legacy address fields and vital event notes, 
because they don’t show up well in reports or web pages. As you’ve seen, some 
add them to locations, as another field (5th field for a typical US location), 
and then sort their location lists from right to left. Some append church or 
cemetery names to the city/town/township name – e.g., Des Moines – Laurel Hill 
Cemetery, Polk, Iowa, USA, and then sort locations left to right.

(Personally, I like the last one for church/cemetery names. I don’t capture 
many street addresses, and if I do, they go into a notes field. I am mainly 
interested in street addresses for residence/census events.)

   Ward

From: Linda Greethurst 
Sent: Tuesday, 12 April, 2016 8:40 AM
To: Mailing List for users of Legacy Family Tree software 
Subject: [LegacyUG] How do I enter English locations in Legacy

This note pertains to a bit of history, geography and using Legacy to enter the 
info.  I want to clearly designate the difference between the locations of 
church events such as baptism and burial and the civil events such as birth and 
death.

In the US we have city (or township if referring to a farm), then county, then 
state, and then country.   For example I would enter: Des Moines, Polk County, 
Iowa, USA.  I use the word "County" as Des Moines city is not in Des Moines 
county. The name of the church itself would go into the notes under the baptism 
address, right?

But I am confused with English locations; and I think I am mixing up church and 
civil juridictions.  In England, isn't a "parish" a larger area than just a 
church building?  Can there be more than one church/congregation within a 
"parish" jurisdiction?  

Example, I have a guy baptized on 12 Dec 1748 at St. Nicholas Parish, 
Shepperton, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom.
That would be a church location for a church function.  But what would be the 
birth location if he were born in  Shepperton. He wasn't born in the church 
building itself as far as I know. Do I use the jurisdiction of "Hundred" (which 
I haven't really figured out yet).  I don't know if he was born in the village 
of Shepperton, or on a rural residence.

Then he died in 1816 in Deptford, Kent, England  -so now I have just three 
places?  Is there a smaller unit of an address to pinpoint where Deptford is 
than just Kent?  

Is "England" enough - properly?  Do I need to include "United Kingdom"?  I do 
not use "USA" for pre 1776 events - that is not a proper location.

So the basic questions:  What are the 4 crucial "names" go into the four slots 
for the civil birth location?
   What "names" go into the four slots for 
the church baptism location? 
   What other "location" information would 
I need to include in the notes section?

I am aware of the option to omit leading commas for easier reading to the 
non-genealogist. And I know I can use more than 4 slots, but then the sort 
order gets "out of sorts".  Thus, what are the 4 vital names.

Any suggestions or guidelines would be helpful.  Thank you in advance.
Linda


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Re: [LegacyUG] Question on entries

[Pat Hickin]

And of course list the alternate name.  I'd also get in touch with the
contributor and see if s/he has an explanation.  And I'd explain in full in
the General Notes and perhaps include images of the entries in the
citations.

Pat

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 2:47 PM, R G Strong-genes 
wrote:

> Ed,
> I would make one the birth entry (the one you think is more accurate) and
> the other as an Alt Birth event, citing both. I would first go to
> familysearch.org and see if you can find the reference to both of those
> sources and most of the time there is a link to each of the original batch
> files for those sources. You can then check and see what the difference is
> between the two. I have no idea what those initials represent.
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Ed Ladendorf via LegacyUserGroup
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 2:32 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
> Cc: Ed Ladendorf
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Question on entries
>
>
> You stated:
> Although I have to question the source, I do have sources from
> familysearch.org for siblings, one of which is almost certainly a direct
> ancestor of mine. Here's the problem: These are from the same parents - one
> name listed is Petri Schommer 1799 - ?. The other is Petri Josephus
> Schommer (note name similarities) 1801 - ?. Both records were submitted by
> the same contributor, on the same day. The only difference in citing the
> source (IGI index) is that part of one citation is 2:1:MGHL, while the
> other is 2:1:MRSV. My gut feeling is that one of these is wrong, and they
> are the same person. This whole family is new for me, with the exception of
> my direct ancestor, b 1799. I have only secondary sources for the birth. I
> found six siblings. Pertaining to entering this in a database, how would
> you handle that? I would appreciate ideas, since I have not entered them
> yet.
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Question on entries

[Jenny M Benson]

  
  
On 12/04/2016 19:29, Ed Ladendorf
  wrote:


  
Although I have
  to question the source, I do have sources from
  familysearch.org for siblings, one of which is almost
  certainly a direct ancestor of mine. Here's the problem: These
  are from the same parents - one name listed is Petri Schommer
  1799 - ?. The other is Petri Josephus Schommer (note name
  similarities) 1801 - ?. Both records were submitted by the
  same contributor, on the same day. The only difference in
  citing the source (IGI index) is that part of one citation is
  2:1:MGHL, while the other is 2:1:MRSV. My gut feeling is that
  one of these is wrong, and they are the same person. This
  whole family is new for me, with the exception of my direct
  ancestor, b 1799. I have only secondary sources for the birth.
  I found six siblings. Pertaining to entering this in a
  database, how would you handle that? I would appreciate ideas,
  since I have not entered them yet.



  

Why do you believe that these two entries are the same person?  It
is not uncommon (certainly in England) for a child to be given the
same (or a similar) name as an earlier sibling which died.  I even
have one instance of two brothers being named Edward John and John
Edward, both of them surviving childhood.  The patron who submitted
these records obviously believed them to be 2 different children and
I would treat them as such until I could confirm otherwise, but the
priority would be to do my own research.
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Re: [LegacyUG] How do I enter English locations in Legacy

[Jenny M Benson]

On 12/04/2016 18:56, LizDennis wrote:

I only use RD (Registration District) etc in sourcing my document, not
sure how you could incorporate that into an "address" that's just the
place the event was "registered".


It is not an address, as such, but as a Location it is not much more 
vague than the name of a town and is better than nothing at all if it's 
the only information you have.  Vital Events are (or should be) 
registered in the District in which they take place, so it is quite 
acceptable to say that someone was born, married or died in "XYZ 
Registration District."


Someone commented that "Registration District" would not mean anything 
to an American, other than a genealogist.  The same can be said of lots 
of "foreign country terminology".  If the products of my research were 
being made available to another genealogist I would expect them to be 
interested enough to find out what was meant by "Registration District." 
 If I was relating my family history to an interested non-genealogist I 
would take the trouble to explain any important aspect with which they 
might not be familiar.  I don't think "someone might not know about 
that" is a good reason for not using correct terminology.


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Re: [LegacyUG] LUG vs FB vs on line forums

[Ward Walker]

Curt,

The mailing list does have some of the aspects of an online forum, if you use 
the list archive. There is a search function for the archived e-mails, so you 
can look for topics that have previously been asked and answered. Of course, 
ask again here if the search results do not quite hit the mark.

The volume of e-mail is best managed by using your mail client to automatically 
filter them into a separate folder.

The Facebook group appears to be helping the many newcomers a lot, due to the 
ability to use pictures. I find the mail list easier for quickly browsing 
through the e-mails/postings. First of all, the FB users seem to be unwilling 
to start each new post with a subject/topic line. The mail list has subject 
lines. Sometimes these are not used correctly (hijacked threads, non-specific 
subjects), but often they are. Secondly, on FB the latest additions to a topic 
are buried in the comments.

  Ward

From: Curt Barnes 
Sent: Monday, 11 April, 2016 4:11 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] LUG vs FB

Michelle,

 

I’m new to The Legacy User Group but have been using Legacy for about 4-5 
years. 

 

I’m not quite sure how this works. Are there instructions for formatting 
addresses ( I noticed the “on behalf of” tag) and how the group works or 
functions. As soon as I signed up I started getting all kinds user group email. 
Is this the norm. Am I doing something wrong? I was originally looking for an 
on line forum ( many software companies have them) so I would not swamp the 
legacy folks with question that probably have already been answered.

 

I don’t use and have avoided FaceBook as a matter of habit. Don’t use a smart 
phone( someday maybe) so don’t know if Facebook Legacy User group can be 
accessed any other way or if it would justify doing so. I’m open to any 
suggestions. I have many questions I know are already asked and answered. But 
where and how is the best way to ask for myself?

 

Thanks in advance.

Curt Barnes

(majority of my family is from Alabama and Tennessee, Barnes’s, Brown’s, 
Hamilton’s, Carter’s, Lloyd’s, and many more.

 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Question on entries

[R G Strong-genes]

Ed,
I would make one the birth entry (the one you think is more accurate) and 
the other as an Alt Birth event, citing both. I would first go to 
familysearch.org and see if you can find the reference to both of those 
sources and most of the time there is a link to each of the original batch 
files for those sources. You can then check and see what the difference is 
between the two. I have no idea what those initials represent.



-Original Message- 
From: Ed Ladendorf via LegacyUserGroup

Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 2:32 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
Cc: Ed Ladendorf
Subject: [LegacyUG] Question on entries


You stated:
Although I have to question the source, I do have sources from 
familysearch.org for siblings, one of which is almost certainly a direct 
ancestor of mine. Here's the problem: These are from the same parents - one 
name listed is Petri Schommer 1799 - ?. The other is Petri Josephus Schommer 
(note name similarities) 1801 - ?. Both records were submitted by the same 
contributor, on the same day. The only difference in citing the source (IGI 
index) is that part of one citation is 2:1:MGHL, while the other is 
2:1:MRSV. My gut feeling is that one of these is wrong, and they are the 
same person. This whole family is new for me, with the exception of my 
direct ancestor, b 1799. I have only secondary sources for the birth. I 
found six siblings. Pertaining to entering this in a database, how would you 
handle that? I would appreciate ideas, since I have not entered them yet. 



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[LegacyUG] English locations

[Phil Lamb]

An excellent resource to help in locating/explaining English parishes,
villages, Reg Districts etc. albeit only for 1851.

http://londonfamilyhistory.org/jurisdiction-maps/

Phil

ps - nice to see some comments appearing from the UK, I thought there were
only 4 Legacy users here.






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[LegacyUG] Question on entries

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Although I have to question the source, I do have sources from familysearch.org 
for siblings, one of which is almost certainly a direct ancestor of mine. 
Here's the problem: These are from the same parents - one name listed is Petri 
Schommer 1799 - ?. The other is Petri Josephus Schommer (note name 
similarities) 1801 - ?. Both records were submitted by the same contributor, on 
the same day. The only difference in citing the source (IGI index) is that part 
of one citation is 2:1:MGHL, while the other is 2:1:MRSV. My gut feeling is 
that one of these is wrong, and they are the same person. This whole family is 
new for me, with the exception of my direct ancestor, b 1799. I have only 
secondary sources for the birth. I found six siblings. Pertaining to entering 
this in a database, how would you handle that? I would appreciate ideas, since 
I have not entered them yet.
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Re: [LegacyUG] How do I enter English locations in Legacy

[Eliz Hanebury]

To add to what everyone else has said, parishes change. They morph
with irritating regularity and some times explains why people say they
were born in 10 different places! Alright that may be over the top 
but not far. I have kin who say a different place in each census,
fortunately after these years I have learned they all mean Malmesbury
in one way or another 
Eliz
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On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 8:40 AM, Linda Greethurst  wrote:
> This note pertains to a bit of history, geography and using Legacy to enter
> the info.  I want to clearly designate the difference between the locations
> of church events such as baptism and burial and the civil events such as
> birth and death.
>
> In the US we have city (or township if referring to a farm), then county,
> then state, and then country.   For example I would enter: Des Moines, Polk
> County, Iowa, USA.  I use the word "County" as Des Moines city is not in Des
> Moines county. The name of the church itself would go into the notes under
> the baptism address, right?
>
> But I am confused with English locations; and I think I am mixing up church
> and civil juridictions.  In England, isn't a "parish" a larger area than
> just a church building?  Can there be more than one church/congregation
> within a "parish" jurisdiction?
>
> Example, I have a guy baptized on 12 Dec 1748 at St. Nicholas Parish,
> Shepperton, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom.
> That would be a church location for a church function.  But what would be
> the birth location if he were born in  Shepperton. He wasn't born in the
> church building itself as far as I know. Do I use the jurisdiction of
> "Hundred" (which I haven't really figured out yet).  I don't know if he was
> born in the village of Shepperton, or on a rural residence.
>
> Then he died in 1816 in Deptford, Kent, England  -so now I have just three
> places?  Is there a smaller unit of an address to pinpoint where Deptford is
> than just Kent?
>
> Is "England" enough - properly?  Do I need to include "United Kingdom"?  I
> do not use "USA" for pre 1776 events - that is not a proper location.
>
> So the basic questions:  What are the 4 crucial "names" go into the four
> slots for the civil birth location?
>What "names" go into the four slots
> for the church baptism location?
>What other "location" information
> would I need to include in the notes section?
>
> I am aware of the option to omit leading commas for easier reading to the
> non-genealogist. And I know I can use more than 4 slots, but then the sort
> order gets "out of sorts".  Thus, what are the 4 vital names.
>
> Any suggestions or guidelines would be helpful.  Thank you in advance.
> Linda
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Re: [LegacyUG] How do I enter English locations in Legacy

[LizDennis]

I use the historical address given at the time on the certificate - my area
changed, but it's still the address on my birth certificate.  I only use RD
(Registration District) etc in sourcing my document, not sure how you could
incorporate that into an "address" that's just the place the event was
"registered".  "Parish church of", what's the name of the Parish church,
where is it situated(?).  I think if you want actual addresses (after 1837)
I would get a copy of the certificate which usually gives the person's
actual address.  (BTW Lots of times the baptism record will give the
person's address or location).  An address for the church should be easy to
find today online if you're trying to add the event location (marriage,
baptism - no one is born in a church so wouldn't be considered
birthplace).  Lots of times children were born one place and taken
elsewhere (i.e. another village) to be baptized.  Englandif in
England.  Just my two bits!

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 8:14 AM, R G Strong-genes 
wrote:

> Rural Delivery
>
> -Original Message- From: Brian L. Lightfoot
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 10:57 AM
> To: 'Legacy User Group'
>
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I enter English locations in Legacy
>
> Ummmin regards to your Rule 1: Never User(sic) Abbreviations!
>
> Is not "RD" you cite in several examples an abbreviation? Gotcha!  :-)
>
> Besides, people on this side of the pond have no idea what RD or even
> Registration District mean in any type of address (excepting most
> genealogists).
>
>
> Brian in CA (this is not an abbreviation. I actually live in a place called
> "CA".)
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
> Behalf Of MikeFry
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 6:41 AM
> To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I enter English locations in Legacy
>
> On 12 Apr 2016 2:40 PM, Linda Greethurst wrote:
>
> This note pertains to a bit of history, geography and using Legacy to
>> enter the info.  I want to clearly designate the difference between
>> the locations of church events such as baptism and burial and the
>> civil events such as birth and death.
>>
>
> Adding to what Jenny has said:
>
> Civil events - I use the name of the Registration District with a suffix of
> RD.
> Occasionally, I'll add the county as well. For example, I have relatives
> born and bred in Wiveton in Norfolk, England. For Civil Events. I would use
> Walsingham RD or Walsingham RD, Norfolk. I will, sometimes, add the parish,
> so that I get Wiveton, Walsingham RD, Norfolk. This is used for Births,
> Marriages and Deaths.
>
> Church events - generally follow a standard of parish, village, county,
> country.
> Hence: St Mary the Virgin, Wiveton, Norfolk, England. This gets used for
> baptisms/christenings, marriages and burials.
>
> Censuses - a slightly different standard that follows what is recorded for
> each
> census: place, county, country. Sometimes in the larger towns or cities, I
> would add a civil parish (again taken from the census).
>
> Rule 1: NEVER USER ABBREVIATIONS!
>
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> Mike Fry (Jhb)
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] How do I enter English locations in Legacy

[Steve Hayes]

On 12 Apr 2016 at 15:40, MikeFry wrote:

> Civil events - I use the name of the Registration District with a suffix of
> RD. Occasionally, I'll add the county as well. For example, I have relatives
> born and bred in Wiveton in Norfolk, England. For Civil Events. I would use
> Walsingham RD or Walsingham RD, Norfolk. I will, sometimes, add the parish, so
> that I get Wiveton, Walsingham RD, Norfolk. This is used for Births, Marriages
> and Deaths.

I use the Registration District (with RD) as you do, but ONLY if the exact 
place is not known. Registration Districts can change and can cover two or 
more counties. If the village/town/city is known I use that, and may include 
the Registration Distroct in the source info - after all it is more a 
descrioption of the source of the record than of the place of the event. 
 

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Re: [LegacyUG] How do I enter English locations in Legacy

[Steve Hayes]

On 12 Apr 2016 at 7:40, Linda Greethurst wrote:

> But I am confused with English locations; and I think I am mixing up church
> and civil juridictions.  In England, isn't a "parish" a larger area than just
> a church building?  Can there be more than one church/congregation within a
> "parish" jurisdiction?

A parish can be a church division, or a civil one, and the boundaries are not 
necessarily the same. 

Also church parishes can vary in size, and some have chapelries in addition 
tot eh parish church. For example, some of my ancestors lived at Heatohn with 
Oxcliffe, in Lancashire. It was in the parish of St Mary's, Lancaster, but 
there was a chapelry of St Helen's at Overton, so some members of the family 
were baptised, married etc at one church and some of the other, and copies of 
the chapelry registers were sent to the parish church. So I record the church 
where the event took place. Born: Heaton with Oxcliffe. Baptised, St Helen's, 
Overton, or St Mary's, Lancaster, as the case may be. I usually put the name 
of the church in the baptism notes, along with names of sponsors, if known. 

> Example, I have a guy baptized on 12 Dec 1748 at St. Nicholas Parish,
> Shepperton, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom.
> That would be a church location for a church function.  But what would be the
> birth location if he were born in  Shepperton. He wasn't born in the church
> building itself as far as I know. Do I use the jurisdiction of "Hundred"
> (which I haven't really figured out yet).  I don't know if he was born in the
> village of Shepperton, or on a rural residence.

If the church residers says "Abode", he was probably born there, but they 
often didn't give that detail back then. If he was born in Shepperton, just 
say Shepperton, Middlesex. 

> Then he died in 1816 in Deptford, Kent, England  -so now I have just three
> places?  Is there a smaller unit of an address to pinpoint where Deptford is
> than just Kent?

Not really. Back then it was probably recognisable as a village on the 
outskirts of london, but now it's just another London suburb. 

> Is "England" enough - properly?  Do I need to include "United Kingdom"?  I do
> not use "USA" for pre 1776 events - that is not a proper location.

It's adequate to just use England. The only part I feel the need to identify 
more closely is Northern Ireland after 1921. 

> So the basic questions:  What are the 4 crucial "names" go into the four
> slots for the civil birth location?

It isn't always 4. Sometimes it's 3, or 5, or 6. 

When it's Bristol, I put 2 -- just "Bristol, England" -- though I'm not sure 
what exactly was enciompassed by "The City and County of Bristol". 

>What "names" go into the four slots for
> the church baptism location?

St Whatisnames, Town/Village, County, Country (eg England). 

>What other "location" information
> would I need to include in the notes section?

Street address, if known, name of hospital if birth took place there. 

> I am aware of the option to omit leading commas for easier reading to the
> non-genealogist. And I know I can use more than 4 slots, but then the sort
> order gets "out of sorts".  Thus, what are the 4 vital names.

You can sort them from bigtgest to smallest -- makes it easier. 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Want to migrate to Legacy, but comments not imported for events which contains both source and media

[Brian/Support]

You reported this to support some time ago and a problem report was 
raised. The issue is still shown as outstanding. I have added this 
latest report to remind the programmer about the issue.


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On 12-Apr-16 1:00 PM, Karsten Weikop wrote:

Hi

As I'm trying to move to Legacy from MyHeritage Family Tree Builder, I
have made an Gedcom export, which is imported into Legacy.

I have a problem:
*Comments for events are not imported, if the event also has a source
and a media*. If the event does not have a source or media, the comment
is imported without problems.

Are the anyone who have faced the same problems or does know a work around?

Data in MyHeritage:
Billede indsat i tekst 1

Data after import into Legacy (note the missing comments):
Billede indsat i tekst 2

I have attached the Gedcom file. The concent in the Gedcom file is:
2 DATE 6 JUN 1960
2 PLAC PlaceX
2 SOUR @S1@
2 NOTE @N5@

If the order is swapped (NOTE is not last), the import works
2 DATE 6 JUN 1960
2 PLAC PlaceX
2 NOTE @N5@
2 SOUR @S1@

As far as I understand the Gedcom specifications, the order is of no
importance. My guess is there must be a problem in Legacy in the importer.

/Karsten Weikop




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Re: [LegacyUG] How do I enter English locations in Legacy

[CE WOOD]

I have found that using the name of the town first more helpful as well as 
avoiding confusion with towns named "St xxx", such as St Bees, Cumberland or St 
Clement, Cornwall.

It is also much easier to sort (right-left, left-right). How I wish FindAGrave 
would allow cemetery searches by town! Slogging through 350 St. Mary's 
Church/Abbey/Priory/et alii, is more than tedious. It is so much easier to find 
Prescot Church of St. Mary, Lancashire.

I make exceptions for cities such as London, for which I have scads of 
churches, opting for St. Mary Magdalen, Milk St., London, St. Mary Magdalene, 
Bermondsey, Southwark, St. Mary Woolchurch, London, St. Mary Woolnoth of the 
Nativity, London, and St. Mary Overy Priory, Southwark, etc., for instance.


Cheers,
Carolyn

To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
From: d...@btinternet.com
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 15:22:20 +0100
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I enter English locations in Legacy


  

  
  
Hi Linda,



I think someone else has mentioned that you should try and avoid the
4 units for a location. We like to keep things nice and complicated
here in the UK !!



If you know the name of the Church, then I would use, CHURCH NAME,
TOWN/VILLAGE, COUNTY, ENGLAND (OR WALES OR SCOTLAND). I don't add
United Kingdom as, to me, each of the Countries are separate
entities.



So, my baptism would be St. Nicholas,
  Shepperton, Middlesex, England. If the
church was not shown then, Shepperton,
  Middlesex, England Some places have
more than one church so you can't actually show the name
unless the record details it.



However, Counties changed over the course of time, so you need to be
sure that you are using the right one for the actual event you are
recording !! Shepperton was in Middlesex at the time of your Baptism
but then went to Surrey !! This link will show you some details -
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SRY/parishes



I would record the death event as Deptford, Kent, England if this is
what the record shows. There was no Civil Registration at this point
so you would not find a record for this anyway.



Civil Registration commenced in 1837 and there have been many, many
changes right up to the present day of the "Districts" and what is
included in them. GENUKI is a great site for picking this sort of
thing apart and this link will give you an idea of what you need to
be aware of when trying to ascertain locations -
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/



What I try and do is always add RD to the district name if the
record is a Civil Registration Birth, Death or Marriage. So, as an
example, Greenwich RD, London, England



In the above, there is NO town/village as you cannot really use
"London" as this could mean just about anything !! So you have
DISTRICT/COUNTY/COUNTRY



This link will show you what happened to Deptford over time -
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/greenwich.html



This link will allow you to download a list of place names and their
associated Registration Districts between 1837 and 1974 -
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/places/index.html



Hope this helps and doesn't confuse things even more !!



Chris S



  

  On 12/04/2016 13:40, Linda Greethurst wrote:



  
This note pertains to a bit of history,
  geography and using Legacy to enter the info.  I want to
  clearly designate the difference between the locations of
  church events such as baptism and burial and the civil events
  such as birth and death.



In the US we have city (or township if
  referring to a farm), then county, then state, and then
  country.   For example I would enter: Des Moines, Polk County,
  Iowa, USA.  I use the word "County" as Des Moines city is not
  in Des Moines county. The name of the church itself would go
  into the notes under the baptism address, right?



But I am confused with English locations; and I
  think I am mixing up church and civil juridictions.  In
  England, isn't a "parish" a larger area than just a church
  building?  Can there be more than one church/congregation
  within a "parish" jurisdiction?  



Example, I have a guy baptized on 12 Dec 1748
  at St. Nicholas Parish, Shepperton, Middlesex, England, United
  Kingdom.
That would be a church location for a church
  function.  But what would be the birth location if he were
  born in  Shepperton. He wasn't born in the church building
  itself as far as I know. Do I use the jurisdiction of
  "Hundred" (which I haven't really figured out yet).  I don't
  know if he 

Re: [LegacyUG] How do I enter English locations in Legacy

[R G Strong-genes]

Rural Delivery

-Original Message- 
From: Brian L. Lightfoot

Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 10:57 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I enter English locations in Legacy

Ummmin regards to your Rule 1: Never User(sic) Abbreviations!

Is not "RD" you cite in several examples an abbreviation? Gotcha!  :-)

Besides, people on this side of the pond have no idea what RD or even
Registration District mean in any type of address (excepting most
genealogists).


Brian in CA (this is not an abbreviation. I actually live in a place called
"CA".)



-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of MikeFry
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 6:41 AM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I enter English locations in Legacy

On 12 Apr 2016 2:40 PM, Linda Greethurst wrote:


This note pertains to a bit of history, geography and using Legacy to
enter the info.  I want to clearly designate the difference between
the locations of church events such as baptism and burial and the
civil events such as birth and death.


Adding to what Jenny has said:

Civil events - I use the name of the Registration District with a suffix of
RD.
Occasionally, I'll add the county as well. For example, I have relatives
born and bred in Wiveton in Norfolk, England. For Civil Events. I would use
Walsingham RD or Walsingham RD, Norfolk. I will, sometimes, add the parish,
so that I get Wiveton, Walsingham RD, Norfolk. This is used for Births,
Marriages and Deaths.

Church events - generally follow a standard of parish, village, county,
country.
Hence: St Mary the Virgin, Wiveton, Norfolk, England. This gets used for
baptisms/christenings, marriages and burials.

Censuses - a slightly different standard that follows what is recorded for
each
census: place, county, country. Sometimes in the larger towns or cities, I
would add a civil parish (again taken from the census).

Rule 1: NEVER USER ABBREVIATIONS!

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Re: [LegacyUG] How do I enter English locations in Legacy

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

Ummmin regards to your Rule 1: Never User(sic) Abbreviations!

Is not "RD" you cite in several examples an abbreviation? Gotcha!  :-)

Besides, people on this side of the pond have no idea what RD or even
Registration District mean in any type of address (excepting most
genealogists).


Brian in CA (this is not an abbreviation. I actually live in a place called
"CA".)



-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of MikeFry
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 6:41 AM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I enter English locations in Legacy

On 12 Apr 2016 2:40 PM, Linda Greethurst wrote:

> This note pertains to a bit of history, geography and using Legacy to 
> enter the info.  I want to clearly designate the difference between 
> the locations of church events such as baptism and burial and the 
> civil events such as birth and death.

Adding to what Jenny has said:

Civil events - I use the name of the Registration District with a suffix of
RD. 
Occasionally, I'll add the county as well. For example, I have relatives
born and bred in Wiveton in Norfolk, England. For Civil Events. I would use
Walsingham RD or Walsingham RD, Norfolk. I will, sometimes, add the parish,
so that I get Wiveton, Walsingham RD, Norfolk. This is used for Births,
Marriages and Deaths.

Church events - generally follow a standard of parish, village, county,
country. 
Hence: St Mary the Virgin, Wiveton, Norfolk, England. This gets used for
baptisms/christenings, marriages and burials.

Censuses - a slightly different standard that follows what is recorded for
each
census: place, county, country. Sometimes in the larger towns or cities, I
would add a civil parish (again taken from the census).

Rule 1: NEVER USER ABBREVIATIONS!

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Mike Fry (Jhb)



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Re: [LegacyUG] The USER Group purpose?

[Bob Austen]

Bravo, Linda.  Well said.

 

Bob


On Apr 11, 2016, at 10:50 PM, Linda Greethurst  wrote:

Ok, people.  This is NOT supposed to be the Legacy Whiners Group!  Pull up your 
big person pants and adjust/adapt.  This isn't Facebook, never has been 
Facebook and probably never will be Facebook.  Get over it.

 

This is a USERS group.  Share with the rest of us YOUR tips on how you USE the 
program.  Allow the rest of us to ask questions with honest answers from lots 
of people on how to do a process.  We are all aware that there is  always more 
than your way of doing things.  I don't need to know about your programming 
skills - I want to know how to USE Legacy.  What little hints have you 
learned?- then share them.  What major discovery have you made using the 
program that made your data entry/analysis easier? - share them.

 

So, - quit with the whining and negative comments.  ENUF - OK?!  No more 
comments like we've had for the last 3 months.

 

Let's start being helpful and sharing - and all become better genealogists by 
how we USE Legacy.

 

Linda

 (a Legacy USEr since version 3)

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Re: [LegacyUG] How do I enter English locations in Legacy

[Chris Swann]

Hi Linda,

I think someone else has mentioned that you should try and avoid the 4 
units for a location. We like to keep things nice and complicated here 
in the UK !!


If you know the name of the Church, then I would use, CHURCH NAME, 
TOWN/VILLAGE, COUNTY, ENGLAND (OR WALES OR SCOTLAND). I don't add United 
Kingdom as, to me, each of the Countries are separate entities.


So, my baptism would be St. Nicholas, Shepperton, Middlesex, England. If 
the church was not shown then, Shepperton, Middlesex, England Some 
places have more than one church so you can't actually show the name 
unless the record details it.


However, Counties changed over the course of time, so you need to be 
sure that you are using the right one for the actual event you are 
recording !! Shepperton was in Middlesex at the time of your Baptism but 
then went to Surrey !! This link will show you some details - 
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SRY/parishes


I would record the death event as Deptford, Kent, England if this is 
what the record shows. There was no Civil Registration at this point so 
you would not find a record for this anyway.


Civil Registration commenced in 1837 and there have been many, many 
changes right up to the present day of the "Districts" and what is 
included in them. GENUKI is a great site for picking this sort of thing 
apart and this link will give you an idea of what you need to be aware 
of when trying to ascertain locations - http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/


What I try and do is always add RD to the district name if the record is 
a Civil Registration Birth, Death or Marriage. So, as an example, 
Greenwich RD, London, England


In the above, there is NO town/village as you cannot really use "London" 
as this could mean just about anything !! So you have 
DISTRICT/COUNTY/COUNTRY


This link will show you what happened to Deptford over time - 
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/greenwich.html


This link will allow you to download a list of place names and their 
associated Registration Districts between 1837 and 1974 - 
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/places/index.html


Hope this helps and doesn't confuse things even more !!

Chris S


On 12/04/2016 13:40, Linda Greethurst wrote:
This note pertains to a bit of history, geography and using Legacy to 
enter the info.  I want to clearly designate the difference between 
the locations of church events such as baptism and burial and the 
civil events such as birth and death.


In the US we have city (or township if referring to a farm), then 
county, then state, and then country.   For example I would enter: Des 
Moines, Polk County, Iowa, USA.  I use the word "County" as Des Moines 
city is not in Des Moines county. The name of the church itself would 
go into the notes under the baptism address, right?


But I am confused with English locations; and I think I am mixing up 
church and civil juridictions.  In England, isn't a "parish" a larger 
area than just a church building?  Can there be more than one 
church/congregation within a "parish" jurisdiction?


Example, I have a guy baptized on 12 Dec 1748 at St. Nicholas Parish, 
Shepperton, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom.
That would be a church location for a church function.  But what would 
be the birth location if he were born in  Shepperton. He wasn't born 
in the church building itself as far as I know. Do I use the 
jurisdiction of "Hundred" (which I haven't really figured out yet).  I 
don't know if he was born in the village of Shepperton, or on a rural 
residence.


Then he died in 1816 in Deptford, Kent, England  -so now I have just 
three places?  Is there a smaller unit of an address to pinpoint where 
Deptford is than just Kent?


Is "England" enough - properly?  Do I need to include "United 
Kingdom"?  I do not use "USA" for pre 1776 events - that is not a 
proper location.


So the basic questions:  What are the 4 crucial "names" go into the 
four slots for the civil birth location?
   What "names" go into the four 
slots for the church baptism location?
   What other "location" 
information would I need to include in the notes section?


I am aware of the option to omit leading commas for easier reading to 
the non-genealogist. And I know I can use more than 4 slots, but then 
the sort order gets "out of sorts".  Thus, what are the 4 vital names.


Any suggestions or guidelines would be helpful.  Thank you in advance.
Linda




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Re: [LegacyUG] How do I enter English locations in Legacy

[MikeFry]

On 12 Apr 2016 2:40 PM, Linda Greethurst wrote:


This note pertains to a bit of history, geography and using Legacy to enter the
info.  I want to clearly designate the difference between the locations of
church events such as baptism and burial and the civil events such as birth and
death.


Adding to what Jenny has said:

Civil events - I use the name of the Registration District with a suffix of RD. 
Occasionally, I'll add the county as well. For example, I have relatives born 
and bred in Wiveton in Norfolk, England. For Civil Events. I would use 
Walsingham RD or Walsingham RD, Norfolk. I will, sometimes, add the parish, so 
that I get Wiveton, Walsingham RD, Norfolk. This is used for Births, Marriages 
and Deaths.


Church events - generally follow a standard of parish, village, county, country. 
Hence: St Mary the Virgin, Wiveton, Norfolk, England. This gets used for 
baptisms/christenings, marriages and burials.


Censuses - a slightly different standard that follows what is recorded for each 
census: place, county, country. Sometimes in the larger towns or cities, I would 
add a civil parish (again taken from the census).


Rule 1: NEVER USER ABBREVIATIONS!

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Re: [LegacyUG] The USER Group purpose?

[ronaldbernier]

Linda,

Thank you for a very well stated response.  Unfortunately, the small group of 
whiners are the same people who always whine and complain.  First, are the 
people who think that because they purchased a license for the software, that 
ENTITLES them to a position on the board of directors.  Then, there are those 
who claim to have a background in software development/programming/marketing – 
they are legends in their own minds and think they are ENTITLED to tell 
Legacy/Millennia how to operate their company.  Finally, there are those who 
feel the need to threaten the sales of Legacy if their demands are not met.  
These are all people who probably grew up never being thankful for what they 
had, but always demanding their ENTITLEMENT to more at no additional cost.

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Donna Newell
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 8:59 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] The USER Group purpose?

 

On Apr 11, 2016, at 10:50 PM, Linda Greethurst  > wrote:

Ok, people.  This is NOT supposed to be the Legacy Whiners Group!  Pull up your 
big person pants and adjust/adapt.  This isn't Facebook, never has been 
Facebook and probably never will be Facebook.  Get over it.

 

This is a USERS group.  Share with the rest of us YOUR tips on how you USE the 
program.  Allow the rest of us to ask questions with honest answers from lots 
of people on how to do a process.  We are all aware that there is  always more 
than your way of doing things.  I don't need to know about your programming 
skills - I want to know how to USE Legacy.  What little hints have you 
learned?- then share them.  What major discovery have you made using the 
program that made your data entry/analysis easier? - share them.

 

So, - quit with the whining and negative comments.  ENUF - OK?!  No more 
comments like we've had for the last 3 months.

 

Let's start being helpful and sharing - and all become better genealogists by 
how we USE Legacy.

 

Linda

 (a Legacy USEr since version 3)

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Re: [LegacyUG] How do I enter English locations in Legacy

[Jenny M Benson]

On 12/04/2016 13:40, Linda Greethurst wrote:

This note pertains to a bit of history, geography and using Legacy to
enter the info.  I want to clearly designate the difference between the
locations of church events such as baptism and burial and the civil
events such as birth and death.

In the US we have city (or township if referring to a farm), then
county, then state, and then country.   For example I would enter: Des
Moines, Polk County, Iowa, USA.  I use the word "County" as Des Moines
city is not in Des Moines county. The name of the church itself would go
into the notes under the baptism address, right?

But I am confused with English locations; and I think I am mixing up
church and civil juridictions.  In England, isn't a "parish" a larger
area than just a church building?  Can there be more than one
church/congregation within a "parish" jurisdiction?

Example, I have a guy baptized on 12 Dec 1748 at St. Nicholas Parish,
Shepperton, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom.
That would be a church location for a church function.  But what would
be the birth location if he were born in  Shepperton. He wasn't born in
the church building itself as far as I know. Do I use the jurisdiction
of "Hundred" (which I haven't really figured out yet).  I don't know if
he was born in the village of Shepperton, or on a rural residence.

Then he died in 1816 in Deptford, Kent, England  -so now I have just
three places?  Is there a smaller unit of an address to pinpoint where
Deptford is than just Kent?

Is "England" enough - properly?  Do I need to include "United Kingdom"?
I do not use "USA" for pre 1776 events - that is not a proper location.

So the basic questions:  What are the 4 crucial "names" go into the four
slots for the civil birth location?
What "names" go into the four
slots for the church baptism location?
What other "location"
information would I need to include in the notes section?

I am aware of the option to omit leading commas for easier reading to
the non-genealogist. And I know I can use more than 4 slots, but then
the sort order gets "out of sorts".  Thus, what are the 4 vital names.

Any suggestions or guidelines would be helpful.  Thank you in advance.


The most helpful suggestion I can give is to abandon any idea of using 
no more and no less than 4 slots for UK places!


With regard to Parish, this gets confusing because there are 
ecclesiastical parishes - the area surrounding a church - and civil 
parishes, which don't necessarily have the same boundaries.


About the nearest you can get to a standard, before the modern 
introduction (by the Royal Mail) of Post Towns and Post Codes, is 
Village, Town, County, Country.


I tend to just go with what I see - and I do use the house/church/street 
name as part of the location.  So "St Nicholas' Church, Shepperton, 
Middlesex, England" for the Baptism, "Deptford, Kent, England" for the 
Death or even just "Greenwich Registration District"

if that's all I know for sure.

You could add "England" to the Registration District, but it's never 
safe to include a county because RDs often overlapped county boundaries. 
 Also not correct say "Greenwich, Kent, England" if all you know is 
that the event was registered in the Greenwich RD, because the event 
didn't necessarily occur in Greenwich itself but in a neighbouring parish.


Sorry, I've probably just made it seem even more confusing:-(  Just 
write what you see.

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Re: [LegacyUG] The USER Group purpose?

[Donna Newell]

Linda, I think you must be my sister from another mother.  Very well said.

Legacy user since ver 2

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 11, 2016, at 10:50 PM, Linda Greethurst  wrote:
> 
> Ok, people.  This is NOT supposed to be the Legacy Whiners Group!  Pull up 
> your big person pants and adjust/adapt.  This isn't Facebook, never has been 
> Facebook and probably never will be Facebook.  Get over it.
> 
> This is a USERS group.  Share with the rest of us YOUR tips on how you USE 
> the program.  Allow the rest of us to ask questions with honest answers from 
> lots of people on how to do a process.  We are all aware that there is  
> always more than your way of doing things.  I don't need to know about your 
> programming skills - I want to know how to USE Legacy.  What little hints 
> have you learned?- then share them.  What major discovery have you made using 
> the program that made your data entry/analysis easier? - share them.
> 
> So, - quit with the whining and negative comments.  ENUF - OK?!  No more 
> comments like we've had for the last 3 months.
> 
> Let's start being helpful and sharing - and all become better genealogists by 
> how we USE Legacy.
> 
> Linda
>  (a Legacy USEr since version 3)
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[LegacyUG] How do I enter English locations in Legacy

[Linda Greethurst]

This note pertains to a bit of history, geography and using Legacy to enter
the info.  I want to clearly designate the difference between the locations
of church events such as baptism and burial and the civil events such as
birth and death.

In the US we have city (or township if referring to a farm), then county,
then state, and then country.   For example I would enter: Des Moines, Polk
County, Iowa, USA.  I use the word "County" as Des Moines city is not in
Des Moines county. The name of the church itself would go into the notes
under the baptism address, right?

But I am confused with English locations; and I think I am mixing up church
and civil juridictions.  In England, isn't a "parish" a larger area than
just a church building?  Can there be more than one church/congregation
within a "parish" jurisdiction?

Example, I have a guy baptized on 12 Dec 1748 at St. Nicholas Parish,
Shepperton, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom.
That would be a church location for a church function.  But what would be
the birth location if he were born in  Shepperton. He wasn't born in the
church building itself as far as I know. Do I use the jurisdiction of
"Hundred" (which I haven't really figured out yet).  I don't know if he was
born in the village of Shepperton, or on a rural residence.

Then he died in 1816 in Deptford, Kent, England  -so now I have just three
places?  Is there a smaller unit of an address to pinpoint where Deptford
is than just Kent?

Is "England" enough - properly?  Do I need to include "United Kingdom"?  I
do not use "USA" for pre 1776 events - that is not a proper location.

So the basic questions:  What are the 4 crucial "names" go into the four
slots for the civil birth location?
   What "names" go into the four slots
for the church baptism location?
   What other "location" information
would I need to include in the notes section?

I am aware of the option to omit leading commas for easier reading to the
non-genealogist. And I know I can use more than 4 slots, but then the sort
order gets "out of sorts".  Thus, what are the 4 vital names.

Any suggestions or guidelines would be helpful.  Thank you in advance.
Linda
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Re: [LegacyUG] LUG vs FB

[Hannigan Family Research]

Michele - Thank you for the decision of what is appropriate for 
discussion on the ListServ. I guess that if you have a genuine question 
about the Legacy Software, you have to Google the answer.  Some people 
DO NOT use FB and other limit their usage.


Personally, I have been reprimanded by people on the FB page for my 
posts.  Therefore, I occasionally peruse the FB page looking in my feed, 
but have limited the posting on the Legacy FB page, while being very 
active on other group.


I consult with people about getting your message out and the message 
that Legacy is sending is use our primary stream. If you don't like our 
primary stream, use our primary stream.


I have used Legacy Software for years, but since the new 'business 
mindset' has taken hold of the software, I am finding it less helpful in 
a time when I need genealogical software and support the most.


Sad state of affairs as the platform for genealogical software gets smaller.

John Hannigan
Florida



On Thursday 4 7 2016 2:36 PM, Michele/Support wrote:


Those people that want to communicate via the mailing list should 
continue to do so


Those people that want to communicate via Facebook should continue to 
do so


No further discussion is needed on the subject.

Michele

Technical Support

Millennia Corporation

mich...@legacyfamilytree.com 

www.legacyfamilytree.com 





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Re: [LegacyUG] LUG vs FB

[phil]

But if you have all ready purchased the software and have many thousands of 
entries you really don't have that choice any longer. 


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device Original message From: Bill 
Hoff  Date: 4/12/2016  12:45 AM  (GMT+01:00) To: 'Legacy User 
Group'  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] LUG vs FB 
And one can take all this into consideration before purchasing the 
software.Bill From: LegacyUserGroup 
[mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On Behalf Of Ronald Bernier
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 5:41 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] LUG vs FB With all due respect, just because the Legacy 
programmers don't follow the game plan that you think they should, is certainly 
no justification to question their credentials.  If it were your list and/or 
program, then you would be free to run the show as you see fit - does not make 
you any more right or wrong than the Millennia folks are for doing things their 
way.Ronald BernierWoonsocket, RISent from my iPhone
On Apr 11, 2016, at 5:59 PM, Hannigan Family Research 
 wrote:Steve - other lists do it - if they are 
programmers (like they say) they can figure it out - it is all about desire. On 
Monday 4 11 2016 2:28 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:On 11 Apr 2016 at 10:03, CE WOOD 
wrote: Alas. A good forum is inclusive, but Legacy is unwilling to share FB 
postshere? Sad. A loss that impacts all Legacy users.Legacy (well, Millennia, 
actually) is into writing software, and moving messages from Facebook to a 
mailing list and back again is no trivial task -- someone would have to be 
sitting there all day (and night too) copying and pasting and copying and 
pasting.  I'd rather they spent their time improving Legacy!   -- 

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Re: [LegacyUG] LUG vs FB

[phil]

I think it is many more than a couple of users.I don't trust  Facebook 


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device Original message From: Gene 
Young  Date: 4/12/2016  12:27 AM  (GMT+01:00) To: Legacy User 
Group  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] LUG vs FB 
If I want to see Facebook posts I go to Facebook.  If I do not want to see 
Facebook posts, I DO NOT want to see them on the mailing list.  If I decide to 
see Facebook posts in my email I will turn on notifications and filter them to 
a separate Legacy Facebook folder.  I like to have choices and would be very 
upset if these choices were taken away to satisfy a couple of users.  I think 
Legacy made the correct choice for everyone to enjoy either or both.

On 4/11/2016 1:03 PM, CE WOOD wrote:
> Alas. A good forum is inclusive, but Legacy is unwilling to share FB posts 
> here? Sad. A loss that impacts all Legacy users.
>
>
> CE
>
>
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