RE: Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]

[Gavin Nicholson]

Hmmm...I see your point. Still we have the problem with shared events not 
getting attached to all witnesses but that is for the other thread!



Cheers,

Gavin...



From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 6 December 2013 12:58 PM
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Subject: Re: Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: 
[LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]



But then it wouldn't be compliant with Gedcom standard










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RE: Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]

[Gavin Nicholson]

Yes that is true but the point is that it would be preferable for Legacy to 
simply output a single source which looks the footnote/endnote citation we see 
in the program.



Gavin...



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Sent: Friday, 6 December 2013 12:04 PM
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Subject: Re: Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: 
[LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]



[snip]



Looks like the gedcom output is doing what is expected of it.



Jay




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RE: Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]

[Gavin Nicholson]

Hi Jay,

I guess the bits that are applicable are:

0 @S437@ SOUR
1 ABBR Australia, NSW, Electoral Rolls, Ancestry.com
1 TITL Australian Electoral Rolls 1903-1980
1 AUTH NSW, Australia
1 PUBL Digital images. Ancestry.com Operations Inc.  ancestry.com.
2 CONC au . http://www.ancestry.com.au : 2010

2 SOUR @S437@
3 PAGE Francis Nicholson; digital images, Ancestry.com Operation
4 CONC s Inc, "1930 Electoral Rolls for the Commonwealth Divisio
4 CONC n of New England State Electoral District of Liverpool Plai
4 CONC ns Subdivision of Werris Creek page 38," \i ancestry.com.au
4 CONC \i0  (http://www.ancestry.com.au : accessed 5 Jul 2012)

So the first block is info from the master source which in my opinion should 
not be included because all you want is the second block. Although I note that 
it is not 100% identical to the actual footnote/endnote citation which is what 
I think should actually be exported. This reads as:

NSW, Australia, Australian Electoral Rolls 1903-1980, Francis Nicholson; 
digital images, Ancestry.com Operations Inc, "1930 Electoral Rolls for the 
Commonwealth Division of New England State Electoral District of Liverpool 
Plains Subdivision of Werris Creek page 38," ancestry.com.au 
(http://www.ancestry.com.au : accessed 5 Jul 2012). Cit. Date: 5 Jul 2012.

Thoughts,
Gavin...


From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 6 December 2013 9:16 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: 
[LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]

Gavin,

If you could include the lines from your gedcom that relate to this person and 
the source, then maybe a proper explanation can be given.

But without knowing whats in the gedcom its just a guess as to how/why.

Jay





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RE: Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]

[Gavin Nicholson]

I guess I don't know why this is a problem either. If a SW source is to be 
exported why don't they just export it as the nicely worded citation you see on 
the screen?

Right now on my Worldconnect page I have this as a citation:

1. Abbrev: Australia, NSW, Electoral Rolls, Ancestry.com
Title: Australian Electoral Rolls 1903-1980
Author: NSW, Australia
Publication: Digital images. Ancestry.com Operations Inc. ancestry.com.au . 
http://www.ancestry.com.au : 2010
Page: Francis Nicholson; digital images, Ancestry.com Operations Inc, "1930 
Electoral Rolls for the Commonwealth Division of New England State Electoral 
District of Liverpool Plains Subdivision of Werris Creek page 38,"  
ancestry.com.au  (http://www.ancestry.com.au : accessed 5 Jul 2012)

Why isn't it just the PAGE section without the "Page:"?

Gavin...

From: Ward Walker [mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com]
Sent: Friday, 6 December 2013 5:08 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: 
[LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]

There have been several LUG discussions about this. When Legacy formats source 
citation output from a template-based source, in many cases (i.e., templates) 
it intermixes field values from the master source and the detail source to 
achieve a nicely worded citation. But upon export, it simply appends all the 
master fields together, followed by all the detail fields. The result, upon 
import, can be garbled data and misplaced punctuation or keywords. Some 
templates are worse than others. (I can’t tell if there is an additional, 
compounding bug in your example of an e-mail source.)





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RE: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events

[Gavin Nicholson]

Thanks Kirsty,



Well I will be putting a change proposal in because it would be simple to 
export a copy of the events to each person. Yes it won't be shared anymore but 
that is far preferable to not existing at all. Essentially, with this as it is 
you can't use shared events and then give your data to anyone who doesnt use 
Legacy :-(



Thanks for making us aware of this one.

Gavin...



From: Kirsty M. Haining [mailto:khain...@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, 5 December 2013 11:48 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events



Gavin, that is exactly what I’m saying. Using a gedcom export, the data shows 
up ONLY under the event initiator’s dataset.



Keep in mind, however, that if you use Legacy to create your reports, charts, 
sharing via PDF files, etc. then the shared events should appear properly 
within the particular reports (according the report options you’ve chosen). The 
issue is with gedcom export.*



cheers,

Kirsty

J



*Or, technically, the issue arises anytime you’re using another software 
program to handle a Legacy file, be it gedcom or native FDB format.






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RE: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events

[Gavin Nicholson]

>> This, for me, makes shared events useless since the census data won’t appear 
>> on the household member’s page in my Rootsweb exports. This makes sense when 
>> you think about it, because of the limits of the gedcom format.



Sorry I haven't looked at this yet but are you saying you shared an EVENT with 
two or more people and when you exported it the shared event only appeared 
against one person? If so, it doesn't make sense to me I assumed the event 
would just get copied to the other people when an export occurred? I agree if 
it doesn't work like this that is a major oversight.



Gavin...




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RE: [LegacyUG] High CPU usage

[Gavin Nicholson]

Thanks Chris,



Of course it depends on the specs of your computer. My netbook has an Atom N270 
processor and 2GB RAM. As I said it works perfectly with V7.5 but is terribly 
slow with V8 even with PP turned off. Using the sample database with only 160 
people is exactly the same. I assume if I install it on my 8 core i7 desktop it 
will be fine but that is not the point.



Whilst it "runs" it is not very useable. If Millennia can't optimise this any 
better then they need to upgrade their hardware specifications. I just looked 
and the only thing they have changed is the HDD space (not really important) 
and the RAM requirement which is now 1GB recommended and I have 2GB so as I 
said something is wrong.



Gavin...



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Sent: Friday, 29 November 2013 3:06 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] High CPU usage



I checked taskmgr.exe after your suggestion though I notice no slowdown on my 
laptop. It shows very little CPU except when first loading (about 7%) down to 
0% once loaded.  The last time I had that problem I found malware on my 
computer that was sucking all my CPU.  Taskmgr did not explain at the time 
where all the CPU was going. I used Sophos Virus Removal Tool to find and kill 
the malware which I believe is a free tool.  You can use this tool periodically 
in addition to your own virus software to get rid of any malware.




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RE: [LegacyUG] High CPU usage

[Gavin Nicholson]

Thanks everyone,



The noticeable lag is a problem for me though. That sort of time duration you 
think it hasn't done anything so you are tempted to click again and then you 
get two clicks. The CPU spike shows that it is doing something. Changing from 
one person to another should not have such an overhead though. Fair enough if 
you were generating a report and it was doing a heap of database queries. I may 
have done my money if it doesn't improve because I can't work with it the way 
it is :-(



Gavin...



From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, 28 November 2013 10:17 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] High CPU usage



Gavin,



I haven’t checked, but I am not surprised. The bigger the program, the more 
bells and whistles, the more bloat, then  the more CPU usage and the slower the 
speed.



50 – 60% is not that high, on my old XP machine I found that 80 – 90% was not 
uncommon.



Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/





From: Gavin Nicholson <mailto:gavn...@hotmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 11:37 AM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: [LegacyUG] High CPU usage



Hello all,



Just wondering if anyone is noticing high CPU usage with V8. I use a netbook 
and with V7.5 clicking from one person to another in family view is snappy with 
response at less than 1 sec and CPU usage spiking to 20-30%. In V8 with the 
same database (upgraded not changed) changes take 1-2 secs and CPU usage is 
50-60%.



Any ideas or similar experiences?

Gavin...








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[LegacyUG] High CPU usage

[Gavin Nicholson]

Hello all,



Just wondering if anyone is noticing high CPU usage with V8. I use a netbook 
and with V7.5 clicking from one person to another in family view is snappy with 
response at less than 1 sec and CPU usage spiking to 20-30%. In V8 with the 
same database (upgraded not changed) changes take 1-2 secs and CPU usage is 
50-60%.



Any ideas or similar experiences?

Gavin...




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RE: [LegacyUG] Problems with origins/migration report

[Gavin Nicholson]

Sorry I didn't trim that first e-mail. I can report restarting Legacy has fixed 
the error 91 but the typo remains. I will submit a bug report.

Subject: [LegacyUG] Problems with origins/migration report
From: gavn...@hotmail.com
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:54:07 +1000
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

First one is an obvious typo. In the migration report dialog out has "look BACK 
how many generations" it should say forward. When the report appears it 
correctly says forward.



Second for me anyway is when I do an origins or migration report I get "error 
saving record to index work file. Error 91 object variable our with block 
variable not set" it goes on to day do a check repair which I did twice but 
same error. It is worth saying that when I click no in response to the question 
of try again the report appears.



Gavin





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[LegacyUG] Problems with origins/migration report

[Gavin Nicholson]

First one is an obvious typo. In the migration report dialog out has "look BACK 
how many generations" it should say forward. When the report appears it 
correctly says forward.

Second for me anyway is when I do an origins or migration report I get "error 
saving record to index work file. Error 91 object variable our with block 
variable not set" it goes on to day do a check repair which I did twice but 
same error. It is worth saying that when I click no in response to the question 
of try again the report appears.

Gavin

Sherry/Support  wrote:
>John,
>
>Can I add your comments about shared events and TNG to our new
>Knowledge Base?
>
>It would be anonymous.
>
>Thanks,
>Sherry
>
>
>
>On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 9:49 AM, John B. Lisle  wrote:
>> Brant,
>>
>> The Legacy Shared Event Gedcom export is "standard" in the sense that
>it is
>> virtually identical to what Roots Magic does. We have tested that RM
>Gedcoms
>> with shared events can import into Legacy and vice versa.
>>
>> The problem for us TNG users is TNG. TNG does not support Shared
>Events. I
>> and others have raised the issue on the TNG Users list, but he has
>not
>> committed to implementing shared events. Until he does, I feel I
>cannot use
>> this important new functionality.
>>
>> I ask you and other on this list who use TNG to raise the request
>with TNG
>> and maybe if enough people ask, it will get on his radar. Considering
>that
>> two desk top apps have the functionality and implement Gedcoms the
>same, it
>> would seem like it is something he should do.
>>
>> john.
>>
>>Lists.asp
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RE: [LegacyUG] Latitude and Longitude

[Gavin Nicholson]

True and magnetic north have no effect on GPS accuracy. It is only relevant if 
you are navigating with it.



Getting into datums is really beyond the scope of this group and is a little 
complex. The differences in the datums that GPS units use will be far smaller 
than the overall error in the GPS itself (ie the 10-20m I mentioned in a 
previous post)



Gavin...



From: Kathy Thompson [mailto:kmthoms...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 15 September 2013 12:24 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Latitude and Longitude



Having just tested Doug's information regarding the iPhone compass and 
true/magnetic north - I first found I needed to have my Location Services for 
that app switched ON

Then on looking under "i" in the bottom corner, it indicated it was using 
Magnetic North - but True North was greyed out.

Double tapping on the center of the compass seemed to switch from Magnetic to 
True.

Tapping the geo co-ords also gave me the street address, and tapping the arrow 
in the bottom left switched me to map view and gave me the street map of the 
area



On 15 September 2013 12:15, Douglas Tighe  wrote:

Hi All,

My iPhone has a built in compass which works anywhere even where there is no 
phone signal.

On the bottom of the display its shows Latitude and Longitude.

It's important to make sure you record the lat and long as well as the Geodetic 
Datum, as different parts on the Earth require their individual Datums because 
the Earth is not perfectly round.

I live in Australia, we started using WGS then ADG and now the most up to date 
is GDA.

I don't know the iPhone method of storing the Datum also I don't know whether 
to use the Compass on True North or Magnetic North and as well the reading can 
be Latitude degrees, Minutes, Seconds or Lat/Long decimal degrees.

I, hoping some of the group can add to this.

Regards

Doug Tighe



On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Al Mieswinkel  wrote:

I almost bought a smart phone last week but did not, for that very reason.  
I’ve used my daughters iPhone 4 but not pleased with the images.



Thanks for the input though.



Al



From: Eliz Hanebury [mailto:elizhg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 5:58 PM


To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Latitude and Longitude



Al do you carry a smart phone? The images leave a lot to be desired but they 
code Lat and Long.




Eliz
Not Today and Not without a Fight
(Anon)

For all that has been, thanks.
For all that will be, yes.
(Dag Hammarskjold)



On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Al Mieswinkel  wrote:

Thanks.  That is a very good question.  I often have a camera with me that I 
sometimes use for that purpose but don’t find it very accurate related to GPS 
activities.  I’m no expert iPad user but I see nothing in it that would 
indicate Lat and Long for photos taken with it.



I’ll call the Apple store.



Thanks.



Al



From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 5:02 PM


To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Latitude and Longitude



Al,

Check to see if when you take a picture, is the Lat and Long stored within the 
picture details?







On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Al Mieswinkel  wrote:

As many of you do while searching family history, I identify many types of 
physical locations in my Legacy file, i. e. old homesteads, mills, gravestones, 
battle locations, old property corners, ghost towns, etc.



I now carry my cell-linked iPad with me constantly and am interested in what 
the group uses as an accurate app (free or for cost) for this purpose.  I want 
to climb into remote hills and read my exact location by coordinates.  I 
stumbled onto a small cemetery with a few stone in the mountains this summer 
with no trails or roadbeds nearby.  I did later contact the county and 
described the location as well as I could.  They eventually found it and said 
they did not know it existed.



Secondly, which of the group of coordinates formats does the group believe is 
the most useful or is it a matter of taste?



Thanks. Al



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RE: [LegacyUG] Latitude and Longitude

[Gavin Nicholson]

The main thing to bear in mind here is that it is generally not the App that 
determines the accuracy of the GPS coordinates but the device itself. The app 
just displays the position that the receiver has derived. The accuracy of 
civilian GPS receivers is typically in the order of 10-20m although it can be 
better and it can be worse depending on conditions. If this is good enough for 
your purposes then plot away! However, as Kathy has suggested a more accurate 
method if you can see what you are looking for is to use Google Maps. You could 
even use a combination of the two to roughly plot with your phone then refine 
it by going to that position in Google maps and adjusting it if needed.

Gavin...

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From: Kathy Thompson [mailto:kmthoms...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 15 September 2013 9:10 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Latitude and Longitude

Maybe not Floyd, but with Google Maps, if you already know where a grave is 
located within the cemetery (as an example), it is possible to accurately 
pinpoint the GPS location of that grave and thus obtain the Latitude and 
longitude of the location.
Google Maps is free and so is Legacy basic - anyone should be able to input the 
lat and long of any location.

Perhaps the feature was not added as a separate feature because there is 
already the lat and long capability within the location mapping section of 
Legacy, and given the incredible flexibility I've recently been finding out 
with the locations, it would be possible to have a location GPS marked for each 
known grave relating to family. Perhaps a little bit overboard to give every 
single Peterson within a cemetery their own separate location, but there's 
nothing to say that lat and long can't be stored within the notes field of the 
the burial event.

Just my two cents
Kathy





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RE: [LegacyUG] Where are census events recorded.

[Gavin Nicholson]

Hi Paula,

This is not quite correct. The search feature looks in a number of places to 
determine if someone has been found in the census.

>From the help "Legacy looks in several places to see if the current census has 
>already been referenced for a particular person.  These include event names 
>and descriptions, individual and event source citations, and individual notes. 
> If the current census is mentioned in any of these places, you can have the 
>person excluded from the search list"

There are some issues with that though which I tried to fully document here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/msg23415.html

Gavin...


From: Paula Ryburn [mailto:paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Thursday, 5 September 2013 3:53 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Where are census events recorded.

[snip]

One interesting point Mike (I think) reminded me of:  He said you have to have 
Census events for the Census search feature to work... but then I was wondering 
if each spouse would show up with or without a census record in the Census 
search feature, based on the way I've entered census events...?  Hmm... worth a 
test...

[snip]




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RE: [LegacyUG] Family Search Family Tree Interface

[Gavin Nicholson]

I can see now that if I am trying to bring a person across, say a child that I 
might have missing then the source options are not there. However, if I do any 
date based item (marriage, birth or death) then that works as does the name of 
the actual person I am working on??

Actually I just found an exception to the above. I have a person with the red 
link icon next to them (ie I haven't merged everyone in family search but I 
linked them) and if I press the arrow on the person on the family search side 
then I do see the source options. So in summary if there is a person with a 
white or blue link icon I don't get the options but if it is the red icon I do!!

As for your question B I am just clicking on the little arrow on the family 
search side

Cheers,
Gavin...

-Original Message-
From: Brian/Support [mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 11:24 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Family Search Family Tree Interface

Maybe you are bringing in Info from FT where Legacy does not allow a source to 
be assigned. Since you cannot link a source to everything maybe LFT is smart 
enough to know you cannot link a source to that data in Legacy so it is not 
going to create a citation. Make a note next time this happens of:

a. What data you were copying from FT
b. Where and how you were adding it to Legacy.

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RE: [LegacyUG] Family Search Family Tree Interface

[Gavin Nicholson]

Just to provide a bit more information. With more use I have found that 
sometimes the options do display. I'm assuming this might have something to do 
with the ACTION that it is about to perform but I'm not sure.

-Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:26 PM
To: 'LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com'
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Family Search Family Tree Interface

Hi Brian,

OK that explains my left to right transfer question.

As for your question when I try and do a right to left there isn't any options 
available. The box heading of SOURCE CITATION OPTIONS is there but there is 
nothing under it. I know what should be there because I saw it in the video but 
when I do it the box is empty, not greyed out or anything, just nothing there?

Cheers,
Gavin...





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RE: [LegacyUG] Family Search Family Tree Interface

[Gavin Nicholson]

Hi Brian,

OK that explains my left to right transfer question.

As for your question when I try and do a right to left there isn't any options 
available. The box heading of SOURCE CITATION OPTIONS is there but there is 
nothing under it. I know what should be there because I saw it in the video but 
when I do it the box is empty, not greyed out or anything, just nothing there?

Cheers,
Gavin...

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From: Brian/Support [mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 8:57 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Family Search Family Tree Interface

The sharing of sources between Legacy and Family Tree is one of the
FamilyTree+ features. Legacy is not yet certified for that feature but
we are working toward getting the FamilyTree+ certifications. When we have that 
level of certification your Legacy sources will transfer to FT.

When you elect to have Legacy create a source for information you are copying 
from the FT side to your Legacy side which of the source options in the bottom 
of that screen are you using? To see and edit the citation you need to select 
the Create a source and let me edit it. The details of the citation Legacy will 
add will then be displayed on the next screen for you to edit.

Brian
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RE: [LegacyUG] Family Search Family Tree Interface

[Gavin Nicholson]

Hi listers,



Ok I have watched the video and looked through the help but can't find an 
answer to this. I have been looking at the Family Search integration interface. 
If I select to share something with family search it brings up a dialog box 
which has in the bottom left corner "Source Citation Options" but there is 
nothing under that. With the few I trialed I manually pasted the Legacy source 
citation into the "Reason the information is correct" box but was wondering if 
the source info I have in Legacy should be getting automatically transferred 
across?



Of interest in the video when Geoff selected to share from Family Search to 
Legacy (ie. opposite direction to what I am trying to do) there was the option 
to include a source automatically in Legacy. When I try and do the same again 
that area is blank?



Thanks,

Gavin...




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RE: [LegacyUG] ? about the new shared even feature

[Gavin Nicholson]

I agree. There will be little use for it if there isn’t an option to just 
export the shared events as a bunch of individual (unshared) events. That would 
be a simple process.

-Original Message-
From: Ward Walker [mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com]
Sent: Friday, 2 August 2013 10:09 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] ? about the new shared even feature

It is a common problem, but I think that it is one that Millennia should 
seriously consider providing an optional workaround. Information will be lost. 
Legacy should include an option on export to unlink the shared events into 
separate, standard events in the GEDCOM. By not doing so, it forces Legacy 
users to consider avoiding this new feature if we ever expect to share data 
with relatives who do not use Legacy.

I see this as similar to the problem with SourceWriter sources. Legacy should 
have an option to reformat the source citation so that it makes sense when 
converted into a Basic source in the GEDCOM.

In general, proprietary features are great, as long as there is always an 
optional way to mash them into the current, inadequate GEDCOM standard.

  Ward





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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 revealed - Shared Events and Automatic Sorting

[Gavin Nicholson]

I explain that sort of thing in my notes.

>> Now, y'know, THAT's what I need: a place to record WHY I did
>> it this way rather than that.  Sure, I can remember the
>> first year, maybe two, after I decided.  But I made some
>> decisions 30 years back and cannot for the life of me
>> remember WHY I made a conscious decision to go this way.
>> Makes it tough to "defend" my methodology to someone who
>> never did genealogy without a computer or before "Evidence!"
>>
>>Cheryl

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RE: [LegacyUG] Australian Electoral Rolls

[Gavin Nicholson]

I use the sourcewriter template Voter Rolls>>Basic Format. I leave the volume 
blank, put something like "1932 Parramatta Division Parramatta Polling Place, 
Fiche 502 Page 75" in the page box and the persons name in the ID of person box.

Cheers,
Gavin...

===

From: Lavern Hall [mailto:lavernh...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 7 December 2012 10:04 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Australian Electoral Rolls

Hello all,

I am hoping that someone can advice me
how to enter information on Legacy that I've
found on the Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980.

The information this database provides is name,
sex, year, state, district and subdistrict. So I'm
thinking of the resource as proof of residence,
so I'd create a Residence Event as if I were using
a City Directory (USA). Maybe creating an event
named Voter Registration is more accurate. Advice?

Thanks,
Lavern Hall





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RE: [LegacyUG] Census List options

[Gavin Nicholson]

I'll also add I completely agree with this statement of yours but I don't think 
that is what the census list is doing although an astute person would take the 
suggested location and view it in terms of what you have written below.




From: ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census List options
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 01:11:14 +0100








 In 1871 she is quite likely to be living in Lancashire, less likely to be 
living in the Registration District covering Ince and even less likely to be 
living in Ince.



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RE: [LegacyUG] Census List options

[Gavin Nicholson]

Hi Ron,

Yes it would be handy if support would chime in to just confirm whether my 
understanding is correct.

Note that in my example the 1861 event was for Maria's CHILD so that is why I 
am saying it is very unlikely she (the mother) would be living in Ince. In that 
example my database has no other info for Maria so Legacy is doing its best to 
suggest a location (based on the child's last location) but my issue is I think 
the percentage is way too high given the scarcity of info it has to work with. 
I have made a suggestion to Legacy that children events should be carry a lot 
less weight that I think they are.

Yes I wasn't trying to say Legacy should know about the question mark over her 
name I was trying to illustrate that the database has no info entered for Maria 
which is why it is making a suggestion for the location based on a CHILD's 
location in 1861. Again the 90% though is misleading because although the CHILD 
was living in Ince in 1861 she was in Wales in 1851, Somerset in 1841 and born 
in Devon in 1810, so she (the child) is working her way up the country! I 
personally could make not make a prediction above 30% with that info other than 
to say people generally did not move much in the early 1800s and since her 
daughter was born in Devon I would probably make that my best guess!

Hope that makes sense, (Legacy Support any clarification??!!)
Gavin...



From: ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census List options
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 01:11:14 +0100








Gavin,

I do not read it that way, because I take the note after the percentage as 
being there only for information. In the case which you quote I would merely 
note the fact that in 1861 she was living in Ince. In 1971 she is quite likely 
to be living in Lancashire, less likely to be living in the Registration 
District covering Ince (not going to look it up at 01:00am) and even less 
likely to be living in Ince.

The above is, of course, without further information. Obviously, Legacy cannot 
be expected to know that there is a question mark over her name, and in any 
event I am not certain as to how this may be relevant, nor would I regard the 
place of birth of high importance when a later event shows residence in 
Lancashire.

So we are back to the same problem of Legacy not giving us enough information 
to determine what weighting to give to the %.

Ron Ferguson
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RE: [LegacyUG] Census List options

[Gavin Nicholson]

It's whatever location that is listed which could be a town. Here is one from 
1871 from my database:



Maria SMART 90% Ince, Lancashire, England (Child Event- Residence: 7 Apr 1861)

So it is saying there is a 90% chance that you will find that person in Ince, 
Lancashire and the program came up with that idea from one of Maria's children 
who had a residence event on 7 Apr 1861 in Ince. I think that is clear.

However, I think the 90% is misleading. I have never found Maria anywhere, her 
name is from an IGI record so is by no means certain. Her daughter was actually 
born in Devon so if I was going to guess where she is I would have been looking 
in Devion but would have attributed a far lower percentage given that her 
daughter was born around 1810.

Gavin...







From: Pat Hickin
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 5:16 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census List options

When they give a percentage for a location, which location are they talking 
about? -- country, state, county/independent city -- I doubt township.

Pat




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RE: [LegacyUG] Census List options

[Gavin Nicholson]

I think the intent is clear. There is a 50% chance that the person will be at 
the specified location. This then allows you to filter out those individuals 
who are unlikely (<50%?) to be in the country being searched.



The problem is without knowing what causes the percentages to drop and by how 
much it is difficult to decide what value to set the cutoff at. Having said 
that as per my previous posts if you put in a residence in another country the 
percentage chance falls to around 10%. (That is, the programmers have decided 
that if someone was in England in 1851 and then you find they are in Australia 
in 1856 there is only a 10% chance they will have moved back and you will find 
them in 1861 in England)



My main issue (and yes I have submitted a suggestion) is that the weight 
appears too heavily to the children’s events. For example, if I had someone 
living for 50 years in one location (say 1851-1901) but I can’t find them in 
1911 but I do find their children in another country then Legacy will suggest 
looking for the parents in that other country with a high probability (eg. 
90%). I have been planning to set up a dummy file to play with scenarios such 
as what if 3 children all moved to different countries what does Legacy suggest 
then. When I do this I will post the results.



Hope this helps,

Gavin...



From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 August 2012 7:18 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census List options



Bruce,



The problem with this lack of information may just be be due to the way my mind 
works. I think mainly in pictures, so if I read, say, a percentage then I may 
see a slider set at that %, or a sliced orange, I’m sure that you get the idea, 
but usually I relate this to the context, and for 50% of a location I cannot do 
this. Basically I cannot picture the meaning from the information given, so it 
largely becomes meaningless.



The effect is that if I think of adjusting the probability selection I have no 
confidence in the possible outcome, because I do not know for certain what I am 
doing. I really do hope that Legacy will amend the Help file to make this 
option much more understandable.



Ron Ferguson

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RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants

[Gavin Nicholson]

Despite the dismissive and insulting replies I had on this subject I have 
persisted with trying to find a solution and for those actually interested I 
can point out the following (if you don't have anything constructive to say 
please don't reply)

Whilst I was previously doing the census list search with an individual county 
(ie. Scotland or England) I noticed that there is also an option to do a search 
with "United Kingdom" as the country. Through trial and error I discovered that 
whilst this appeared to be the answer to my problem the real answer was the 
help is not quite right. It states that "Legacy looks in several places to see 
if the current census has already been referenced for a particular person. 
These include event names and descriptions, individual and event source 
citations, and individual notes". The key is the fine detail of that last 
sentence.

I have found the following:

if you use the Census event with any date in the searched year then the person 
does not appear in the list.
if you use any event but put "1851 census" (for example) in the description 
then the person does not appear on the list.
if you use any source writer census master source for the searched year then 
the person does not appear in the list.
if you use a basic source and the words "1851 census" (for example) are in the 
Source List Name then the person does not appear in the list

HOWEVER, I was not able to put any words in the individual notes that resulted 
in the person not being displayed so the help is NOT correct when it says that. 
If it is correct then perhaps a Legacy staff member could advise what needs to 
be written to have this effect.

So in summary, Legacy is smart enough to not advise you to look in a different 
countries census if you have found them elsewhere but you have to know what it 
is looking for in order to get the desired result. My issue was I was using a 
residence event with just the census date which didn't work. Now I have added 
the words "1851 census for Ireland not available" in the event description 
(with a sentence override) and it works as I expected.

I hope some people find this useful.
Gavin...


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RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants

[Gavin Nicholson]

OK I appreciate your thoughts but I don’t think I am making myself clear. In 
points 2 and 3 you seem to indicate that I am asking Legacy to do some sort of 
analysis of what might POSSIBLY be the case. I am not. I am saying that if I 
have entered a census or residence event on a census night that Legacy should 
therefore assume I have found the census entry for that person and not suggest 
other countries as a possibility. This is no more challenging that realising a 
person has died and therefore not suggesting to look for the person after they 
have died.



The census list tool is already smart. The longer the gap between a previous 
event with a location and the census date the lower the probability. If a 
person has a census or residence info entered for the country being searched 
then they do not appear. If I do a search for a country which the person has no 
association with they do not appear. So its not a dumb process the programmers 
have put some effort into ensuring relevant results are returned. However, what 
I have found is they have not put the appropriate emphasis on the information 
which is available. In my case Joe BLOW is listed as having an 80% chance they 
are in Edinburgh because one of their children is there despite Joe and the 
rest of his family having a residence event in Ireland on the night of the 
census. That is not smart.



In fact the more I think of it the more I believe it is a error because the 
algorithm should bias mainly to events of the person is question but in my 
example the bias is towards where their children are. This might be ok if the 
program had no other information to go on but in my case it does. I just looked 
at another person who lived in Berwickshire all their life but the suggestion 
is to look in Edinburgh because that is where one of their children is? As I 
said right back in post #1 the tool is great but I think it could be better. I 
will throw in a suggestion to that effect.



I think this discussion should be of benefit to others trying to understand how 
this tool works though!



From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012 5:46 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants



Gavin,



This is going to be my last word on this subject, as I feel we are going around 
in circles.



I will agree with you on at least one point.



1) Would it help if Legacy published the algorithm they use to calculate the 
probability – yes

2) Would I expect Legacy to realise that if a person is found in an Ireland and 
a Scotland census on the same date it shows that a person is living in one 
country and not the other – not necessarily. If Legacy only searches for an 
Event/Fact called “census” then it would not find one called “census – 
Scotland”. This could be improved by using the SQL “LIKE” term, but I do not 
know the Legacy search method.

3) Would I expect Legacy to identify that a person is likely to be in a 
different country on census night – definitely not. It must be remembered that 
Legacy is an international program, and whilst it goes some way to help those 
of us who live in the UK it cannot be expected to evaluate all the quirks which 
arise because it comprises 3/4 different countries. As I previously indicated, 
I would not expect Legacy to search a database of every country to ensure that, 
for all individuals, it is probably that they are living in a specific country 
at the time of a census.






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RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants

[Gavin Nicholson]

Yes that may be the case but the question I am asking is once I have put into 
the database that they WERE living in Ireland on census night I don’t think 
they should appear in the 1851 census list because I have made the 
determination that they weren’t there. I have another situation where I put an 
immigration event in and then a residence in Australia and then the probability 
drops right off and I can effectively exclude them. That is not happening when 
I put a residence on census night in another place. I think that is an error.



From: David Abernathy [mailto:da...@schmeckabernathy.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012 12:04 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants



Based on your example, the listed people may have been in Scotland on the date 
of the census. Just gecause the children were born in Ireland,




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RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants

[Gavin Nicholson]

> If you include the Country in your Census/Residence Events then the manner in 
> which this is done may have an effect
> on how Legacy reads it - I haven't checked this.

Yes I do have the country in the location




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RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants

[Gavin Nicholson]

Yes but what I am suggesting is that it should eliminate all invalid ones when 
there is a positive match to a residence or census event on the date of the 
census in a different country.

It works that way if I have one of those entries for the country in question. 
That is, once I find someone in the census in Scotland and enter that as a 
residence they no longer appear when I generate the census list for that same 
year. So I think it is inconsistent (ie. a bug?) that if I enter someone's 
residence on 30 Mar 1851 in Scotland they don't appear on the list but if I 
enter their residence on 30 Mar 1851 in Ireland that they do appear.

I have just looked at it more closely and the tool is using their child's 
location in 1851 (they left one behind with the grandparents) rather than their 
actual location so I think the bias is probably wrong.

Thoughts?
Gavin...

P.S. As an aside it would probably be helpful to know the algorithm they use to 
come up with the probability so you can make some educated guess as to what 
percentage to make the cutoff.

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012 10:03 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants

Please let me correct my bad description in my previous post. The Legacy tool 
will identify people who have been included in a specific country's census, and 
you can select the probability of a location still being valid.
This probability is, of course, your choice.

Like everything, a probability is only an estimate which will show some 
negatives as positives and vice versa. So, no I would not necessarily expect 
Legacy to identify all valid results and eliminate all invalid ones.
Probability doesn't work that way.

It is not too difficult to look for all possibilities for a specific census and 
then use it in conjunction with the Detailed Search to eliminate those which 
you do not wish to see included, via tagging.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/





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RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants

[Gavin Nicholson]

But that's how it works. The tool doesn't list every person in the database it 
only lists those people it "thinks" should be in the area searched but don't 
have a likely census entry (From Help: These include event names and 
descriptions, individual and event source citations, and individual notes). I 
have checked the box "Exclude individuals...already found in this census".

As for your marriage example that is up to the programmers to answer 
definatively, they are already looking in a variety of places to try and work 
that out. For my answer I would say no however census events, residence events 
yes!

So what I am suggesting is that the way it is working isn't ideal because if 
someone lives in the borders of England and Scotland and keeps swapping back 
and forward (for example) if I find them and enter them in Scotland then I 
don't want them appearing in the possible England list for the same year.

My specific example is I know a family was in Ireland in 1851 because their 
children were all born there. I have put a residence event in for the census 
night of 1851 to try and stop the tool from suggesting Scotland but it still 
does. My question is should this be reported as a bug as it is suggesting 
looking for a family in Scotland when I have them recorded elsewhere?

Thanks,
Gavin...

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012 9:22 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants

So, Let me get this right, if you look up in a census where somebody is on 
census night, and you enter that information into your database you expect the 
tool to realise that you already have an entry for that census, what about if 
someone got married on a census day, would you expect Legacy to omit a census 
record on that date also?

What has got to do with your comment about somebody being in a different 
country? Which is what my post was referring to?





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RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants

[Gavin Nicholson]

Hi Ron,

I am not sure what you are asking but the census tool tries to find people in 
the database who do not appear to have been found in a census. The help 
explains some of what it uses to ascertain this. If I put a residence event for 
someone on census night then I expect that Legacy will determine that I found 
them "somewhere" on census night and then will not suggest I look for them in a 
different place on the same night? Does that make sense?

Gavin...

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012 9:02 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants

Gavin,

Can I just ask you, are you asking for Legacy to check every location against 
every country in the world - including those that have had different names at 
different time - for every person who might be alive on census night, in order 
to check that they have not been elsewhere on census night?

If not what do you expect?

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


-Original Message-----
From: Gavin Nicholson
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 11:11 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants

Sorry David,

I think you are missing my point. My question relates to Legacy's new census 
tool and what it outputs based on what is in the database. I have entered a 
residence event on census night for the family in Ireland but I am still being 
prompted to look for them in Scotland by the tool. I think this might be a bug 
because I think if they have an event for census night then they should not 
appear in the census tool for other countries.

Cheers,
Gavin...

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Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012 12:17 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants

Have you looked at the 1851 census image yourself to see that in fact it is the 
same people that you think it is?




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RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants

[Gavin Nicholson]

Sorry David,

I think you are missing my point. My question relates to Legacy's new census 
tool and what it outputs based on what is in the database. I have entered a 
residence event on census night for the family in Ireland but I am still being 
prompted to look for them in Scotland by the tool. I think this might be a bug 
because I think if they have an event for census night then they should not 
appear in the census tool for other countries.

Cheers,
Gavin...

-Original Message-
From: David C Abernathy [mailto:da...@schmeckabernathy.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2012 12:17 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants

Have you looked at the 1851 census image yourself to see that in fact it is the 
same people that you think it is?





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RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants

[Gavin Nicholson]

I might have found a bug. In a bid to remove some (what I believe to be) 
spurious people in the list I have added a residence event on 30 Mar 1851 for 
someone who was living in Ireland at the time. In 1841 and 1861 they were 
living in Scotland. When I do an 1851 census report for Scotland they are 
appearing in the list despite me having them recorded at that time living in 
Ireland. Thoughts?

-Original Message-
From: Gavin Nicholson [mailto:gavn...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 6 August 2012 10:18 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants

I have noted the percentage cutoff can be used as it does drop off to about 10% 
when I put in a residence in another country. So I have checked that with a 
limit of 50% and that removed some.

I would like some sort of ignore feature though as if I can't find someone in a 
string of censuses then I would prefer they didn't pop up in the list for later 
ones. Anyone else with any ideas for how they are using the tool?

Gavin...





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RE: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants

[Gavin Nicholson]

I have noted the percentage cutoff can be used as it does drop off to about 10% 
when I put in a residence in another country. So I have checked that with a 
limit of 50% and that removed some.

I would like some sort of ignore feature though as if I can't find someone in a 
string of censuses then I would prefer they didn't pop up in the list for later 
ones. Anyone else with any ideas for how they are using the tool?

Gavin...

-Original Message-
From: Mike Fry [mailto:mike...@iafrica.com]
Sent: Sunday, 5 August 2012 11:05 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants

On 2012/08/05 13:08, Gavin Nicholson wrote:

> Whilst I am liking the census list tool very much I have noted that it
> still suggests people might be in a census who have moved to other
> countries. [snip]

Difficult to come up with an automated solution to this, unless you've also got 
a date in 1852 which also puts him in Australia. Beyond that, even if a date 
puts him Australia, how can you discount the possibility of a trip back to 
Blighty?




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[LegacyUG] Census list finds immigrants

[Gavin Nicholson]

Hello all,

Whilst I am liking the census list tool very much I have noted that it still 
suggests people might be in a census who have moved to other countries. For 
example, Joe BLOW is in the 1841 census in London but moves to Australia in 
1845 but is still showing up in the 1851 census list. Anyone found a way of 
dealing with this?

Cheers,
Gavin...




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RE: [LegacyUG] Quoting Electoral (Voter) Roll as a source

[Gavin Nicholson]

OK understand now. Still I think my advice below to use the basic format will 
still be valid.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2012 1:53 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Quoting Electoral (Voter) Roll as a source

Well for example you cannot access the electoral roll as it was at Jan 1 2012 
or today by any other method in Australia, other than going into an electoral 
office and using their terminal. They used to have online access but it was 
being misused by everyone from the police to angry ex partners. I asked :)


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Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2012 10:29 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Quoting Electoral (Voter) Roll as a source

Hi Ian,

I am not sure what you mean by “(current or modern)” but the historical 
electoral rolls are available at various libraries on microfiche and 
ancestry.com has scanned most and indexed about half.

I use Basic for the ones I found at the library. Remember that source writer is 
just a mechanism to generate a citation. With basic I don’t put anything in 
volume, in page I put something like “1921 Gwydir Division Inverell Polling 
Place Fiche 48 Page 38” and the name of the person in ID of person. Thus my 
citation ends up as: “NSW, Australia, NSW Electoral Rolls (Commonwealth 
Division), 1921 Gwydir Division Inverell Polling Place Fiche 48 Page 38, Ernest 
William Nicholson; State Library of NSW, Sydney.”

This works for me. For the ancestry.com images I selected "online image" and 
again made it work for me.

Hope this helps,
Gavin...




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RE: [LegacyUG] Quoting Electoral (Voter) Roll as a source

[Gavin Nicholson]

Hi Ian,

I am not sure what you mean by “(current or modern)” but the historical 
electoral rolls are available at various libraries on microfiche and 
ancestry.com has scanned most and indexed about half.

I use Basic for the ones I found at the library. Remember that source writer is 
just a mechanism to generate a citation. With basic I don’t put anything in 
volume, in page I put something like “1921 Gwydir Division Inverell Polling 
Place Fiche 48 Page 38” and the name of the person in ID of person. Thus my 
citation ends up as: “NSW, Australia, NSW Electoral Rolls (Commonwealth 
Division), 1921 Gwydir Division Inverell Polling Place Fiche 48 Page 38, Ernest 
William Nicholson; State Library of NSW, Sydney.”

This works for me. For the ancestry.com images I selected "online image" and 
again made it work for me.

Hope this helps,
Gavin...




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RE: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields

[Gavin Nicholson]

Yes exactly Mary, I can't understand how you would ever have commas in the 
middle of the location (at the start yes)? I'm sure someone will enlighten me 
though :-)

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Sent: Monday, 12 March 2012 11:02 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields

[snip]

I also have one comment.  I don't think there is anything odder than to see 
multiple commas next to each other in your list of places.  Seeing "Adams, , 
New York, USA" instead of "Adams, Jefferson County, New York, USA" is an 
indication of incomplete research.  It is so easy to find which county a 
town/village/city is in, especially with the Internet.

Mary





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RE: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields

[Gavin Nicholson]

My question for Jerry is why do you need a standard? For any given country (or 
indeed groups of countries) the sorting R to L will work because within that 
country all locations will follow a standard. So if you had a list it might 
look like:

England, County, Town, Street
England, Different County, Different Town
England, Different County, Third Town
United States, State, County, Town
United States, Different State, Different County

So all the related locations, that is, by country, or English county or USA 
state are grouped together. What else is required? I ask this from the point of 
view of what am I missing?

I can't see how this would not always work because for any given location you 
would always have a location with the precision increasing from R to L. That 
is, if something happened in Australia and that is all I knew then the location 
is Australia and it would be grouped with all other Australian locations. If I 
knew it was in Sydney then automatically I know it is Sydney, New South Wales, 
Australia. As long as I always stick with my own "standard" for any given 
country then surely the location list R-L sorting will work?

Regards,
Gavin...





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RE: [LegacyUG] Link to a site that has a nice way of presenting the family info

[Gavin Nicholson]

I will add my vote to those that use Legacy just as a database and not a report 
generating tool. This link is an excerpt from my book which I did in Word:

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?0y7d08opdwcjsg7



If I was starting again I would possibly use Legacy to produce the skeleton of 
the book and then I would re-write it from there.



I used Patricia Law Hatcher’s book “Producing a Quality Family History” as my 
guide. I am onto my second book now which is just an addendum to the first. You 
have to stop sometime or you will never produce anything!! I tried where I 
could to flesh out the names, dates, places with history to put it into context 
and make it interesting, which I had mixed success with as some people have so 
little information about them to begin with. I firmly believe no one will read 
it if you don’t do that. I liked chapter 4 of this: 
http://familystories.shancjackson.com/Tapestry_Downer.html as it really 
intertwined history with the family.



Thought you might like some more ideas.

Gavin...



From: Marg Strong [mailto:tiny...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2012 1:46 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Link to a site that has a nice way of presenting the 
family info



Actually, I was looking at it more from the viewpoint of printing out a "book" 
than as a website presentation. I liked the interspersing of images with text 
since I think the average person not into family history might find that more 
interesting. I would make changes, but it added to my ideas for presenting a 
"book." I'm not sure how legacy prints out the media files with reports because 
I am far from learning that as yet.




  _


From: Sherry/Support 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Link to a site that has a nice way of presenting the 
family info


Definitely more contrast! A lot of us have vision problems which
require good contrast.

If I had found that site through a google search of my surnames, I
would have immediately backed out of it because it's too hard to read
and, if I could find your contact info, send you an email to that
fact!

Check out www.WebAim.org for information on web accessibility for
those with vision and other disabilities.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree



On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Paula Ryburn
 wrote:
> That certainly is nicely done, though I would have more contrast between
> background and font color.  I'm sure others on this list will be chiming in
> on how feasible it is to expect that sort of output from Legacy.
>
> --Paula in Texas



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RE: [LegacyUG] Pictures - how to handle ones with more than one person in the photo

[Gavin Nicholson]

The competing application “Family Historian” has a great feature whereby you 
can link to people’s faces in a group photo. You select the group photo, draw a 
box around the person of interest and then select the person in your database 
to link it to. So when you view that person you see the cropped image but if 
you double clicked on it you would see the original image. This means you don’t 
have to create a bunch of cropped images if you had a family photo for example. 
I think it also had the ability to pop up a little name box when you hovered 
the mouse over each person in the group photo.



I did submit a suggestion to have this function in Legacy a few years ago but 
they weren’t interested L Perhaps if more people make this suggestion it might 
get some traction.



Gavin...





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RE: [LegacyUG] Print Scree/Snipping tool

[Gavin Nicholson]

 PrtScrn = Print Screen. Thats the key you are after

Gavin...




Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 21:16:42 +0100
From: jk...@yahoo.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Print Scree/Snipping tool


My Dell keyboard has 3 keys at the top right, following F12 - PrtScrn/SysRq, 
Scroll Lock & Pause/Break
These are set above the 'Insert' 'Home' & 'Page Up' keys

Joan

On 08/09/2011 15:08, Nannette Fretwell wrote:
Sorry, Jane. I have an HP laptop...no Dell keyboard in the house! Perhaps 
someone else might be able to assist you. :)


On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Jane Sarles  wrote:

No, I have stared at every key and do not find a prt scr or anything resembling 
it.  There is pgdn & pgup , ins, numlock, insert, home, and one that says home, 
but none that say prt scr or print screen.  It is a Dell keyboard.


There is one key that has a symbol on it, has small black and white lines. and 
is between the Windows key and the Ctrl key.


Jane


On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Nannette Fretwell  wrote:

Jane... mine says: prt sc with a border around it...do you have something that 
resembles that notation on any of your keys?


Nannette



On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Jane Sarles  wrote:


I have been following this thread, but I do not find a "print screen" button on 
my keyboard.  Do I have some sort of deficient keyboard?


Jane S.



On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Nannette Fretwell  wrote:










Paula...you may have to hold your "function" key down also for your "print 
screen" button to actually work...then paste the "clip" to a document (paint, 
word, email screen, etc).



Nannette






Paula Ryburn said the following on 1/09/2011 2:35 p.m.:
> ... I'm not sure how to get that button to work on my computer (believe it or 
> not).  I just pressed it and nothing...


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RE: [LegacyUG] Possible parentage

[Gavin Nicholson]

For my $0.02 I only ever link one generation of possible parentage and put the 
rest of the information in as notes of that possible person. I then put an 
asterisk * in the name so it stands out to me (yes Legacy does give me warning 
:-)  ) that this is only a possibility although I should have some reason for 
that belief and that reasoning is spelt out in the notes for that person and 
their child that I am linking from.

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RE: [LegacyUG] DNA entry

[Gavin Nicholson]

I note that SMGF is not on the list of testing companies. That would be a handy 
addition. Or the ability to add extra markers to an existing standard test.



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RE: [LegacyUG] How to update multiple source details?

[Gavin Nicholson]

You don't even need to install anything. You can just hit the print screen (PRT 
SCR) button on your keyboard and then open PAINT or any other graphics program 
you might have and hit CTRL-V or select PASTE from the menu. Use the programs 
functions to crop out the bit of the screen you want and save it!

-Original Message-
From: Mike Fry [mailto:mike...@iafrica.com]
Sent: Saturday, 11 June 2011 8:16 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to update multiple source details?

On 2011/06/11 10:09, Alan Pereira wrote:

> If you are running vista or windows 7 there is a tool called "Snipping Tool"
> which is located in Programs\Accessories where you can mark the area of the
> picture displayed on the pdf and then copy / save it as a jpg.  I would still
> keep the pdf on the computer but you can then place the jpg into Legacy so
> that it can be viewed.

For those of you on XP or earlier, (or those on Vista or Seven), there's a free
tool called Gadwin PrintScreen , which does an
even better job and is far more flexible.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg



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RE: [LegacyUG] Using Windows Sync (w/Windows 7, 32-bit) to copy my database

[Gavin Nicholson]

Hi Pat,

Yes I use Live Sync to synchronise between my netbook and main PC. Live Sync, I 
believe, is better than some other programs people are suggesting (eg. Dropbox) 
because you can synchronise any folder on one computer with any other folder on 
any other computer (or any number of computers for that matter). For simplicity 
I setup my two computers identically (ie. Program Files/Legacy/Data on both) 
but as I mentioned you don't have to.

In order for the synchronisation to work both computers must be on, there is no 
storage on the internet.

You also need to ensure you don't have Legacy open on both at the same time. 
Nothing bad will happen but you will lose any changes you made on one of them 
because it can't merge changes. You end up with a number of duplicate files 
with the computer name tacked onto the end so you can then choose which one to 
use as Live Sync doesn't know which one you actually want.

As I said though it works fantastically for me. I am sync'ing hundreds of files 
(all my images and PDF'ed references) some of which are over 20MB.

Good luck with it.
Gavin...

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Sent: Tuesday, 29 June 2010 6:57 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Using Windows Sync (w/Windows 7, 32-bit) to copy my database

Hi All,

I would like to use Windows Sync (w/Windows 7, 32-bit) to copy my
Legacy database from one computer to another.  Has anyone done this?
If so, how did you set it up and did it work okay?

Yes, I know I can use a thumb drive, etc., and that may be easier and
less confusing.

Thanks





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RE: [LegacyUG] Help with Dropbox

[Gavin Nicholson]

As an alternative I am using Microsoft Live Sync. The advantage being is that 
you can sync any folder anywhere, that is, you don’t need a “dropbox folder”. I 
have installed everything on my netbook in the same place as my main PC so it 
is easy to find everything but you can sync any folder on one PC/laptop to any 
other folder you like on any number of other PCs/laptops. Just FYI.



Gavin...



From: aubur...@aol.com [mailto:aubur...@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, 29 March 2010 11:39 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Help with Dropbox



Hey, all:



On the archives, about this time last year, there was a great conversation 
about using Dropbox with Legacy. A user named Kathy had all sorts of great 
advice, but I'm having a problem. Is Kathy still out there, or maybe someone 
else knows?



I'm moved my Legacy data file to Dropbox and then went back to Options to try 
to tell Legacy where the file was. I could not click on Options when that data 
was moved. Once I moved it back, I could go to Options again.



Are people having luck with Dropbox to sync a laptop with a PC?



Thanks!



Alec



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[LegacyUG] Extra Comma

[Gavin Nicholson]

Hi List,

I seem to remember that with the initial release of version 7 there were a lot 
of issues with the source writer templates and extra commas when certain fields 
weren’t filled in. I don't seem to notice that anymore generally so I am 
assuming that they have been mostly fixed? If so, is there a way to submit bug 
reports because I have found a spare comma in the IGI template when no title is 
entered but a batch number is, a comma appears before the batch number.

Thanks,
Gavin...





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