[LegacyUG] Test Only
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[LegacyUG] Can FG, TC, and FG files be safely deleted?
Can someone in the user group please tell me if I can safely delete FG, NC, and TC files? I'm trying to get rid of all not needed backups, etc., but I am not sure what role these files played in relation to the regular .fdb database files. In other words, is the FG, NC TC file needed for the CURRENT .fdb file? Thanks, Jerry in Michigan USA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative .pdf General Notes - double-bracketed included - why?
Hi Pat. I'm not sure what you mean by re-starting Windows? Do you simply mean shutting down your computer and re-starting. Couldn't hurt anything as long as you have your Legacy database backed up and saved properly. But did you re-create your report again from scratch after you made your change to the location of the file? ..Jerry On 10/13/2014 11:22 PM, Pat Hickin wrote: > Thanks, Jerry, > > However, I'm pretty dense. Which document are you referring to? The > Legacy database, or the file copied into the Notes section?? > > Also, do you thing restarting windows would help the problem?? > > Pat > > On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:51 PM, <mailto:bearjerca...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Pat, I am taking a stab in the dark here, but I have encountered > weird errors in the past similar to this. Apparently embedded > invisible or null characters can be a factor. So, you might try > re-saving your document in the correct folder, even by temporarily > giving it a different name, then delete the offending file and > rename the newly saved file with your correct file name. Just a > suggestion about the possibility of null characters you cannot > see. Jerry in Michigan > > On October 13, 2014 10:30:29 PM EDT, Pat Hickin <mailto:pph...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Thanks, Cathy, > No, that's not checked & anyway it doesn't explain the > discrepancy in what's in the notes and what's printed. > > Pat > > On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 8:38 PM, Cathy Pinner > mailto:genea...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Hi Pat, > Check the Privacy Options in the Report Options. It looks > as if you've opted to include [[Private]] notes and remove > the Brackets. > Cathy > > Pat Hickin wrote: >> >> Can anyone explain /this??/ >> / >> / >> In my general notes for the first ancestor printed I have >> this >> >> [[C:\Users\Pat-PC\Documents\MY GENIE - LEGACY >> 20141013\LEHMAN-Hans >> Jacob notes general- double bracketed info omitted >> 20141013-1640.wpd]] >> >> [[-1=1-]] >> >> Johan Christian Lehman, reared as the son of Hans Jacob >> and long >> thought to have been his biological son, . . . . >> >> >> >> But when I print a Descendant Narrative report, the first >> set of >> double bracketed info is /printed /so that what I get is >> this: >> >> Additional information for Hans: >> C:\Users\Pat-PC\Documents\___temp 20140306\LEHMAN-Hans >> Jacob notes >> gene ral- double bracketed info omitted 20141013- >> >> 1640.wpd >> Johan Christian Lehman, reared as the son of Hans Jacob >> and long >> thought to have been his biological son, . . . >> >> >> >> Notice also, that the filename in the notes and the >> filename in the >> printout are different !! >> >> In the notes, I have >> [[C:\Users\Pat-PC\Documents\MY GENIE - LEGACY 20141013 >> >> But it prints: >> C:\Users\Pat-PC\Documents\___temp 20140306\ >> >> (I had the info first stored in a folder named "___temp >> 20140306\"; >> then moved it to a different folder, "MY GENIE - LEGACY >> 20141013" >> >> >> I closed and re-opened Legacy, but that did not affect >> what got >> printed in the Descendant Narrative report !! >> >> I suppose I can re-start Windows, but I don't really want >> to do that >> right now. >> >> Thanks, >> Pat >> > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp
[LegacyUG] Use Of Periods In Abbreviations
Can some of you professional genealogists tell me why or if it is recommended to continue to use periods after abbreviations, especially with middle names where only the initial is known? It seems that in this computer age, we could safely omit those periods. It won't cause any concerns for search engines, right? Is there a way to turn off the suggestion in Legacy 8 so as not to be reminded if periods are not used in abbreviations? I'm not speaking of place names - I realize those names should be completely spelled out for accuracy (ie, don't use USA, MI, Mich, etc). Thanks, Jerry Boor, MerriamFamilyTree.org Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Use Of Periods In Abbreviations
Thank you David and Cathy. Since Legacy has the long and short place name fields, I do actually use the postal codes for the short fields, but for the long fields, I always use the complete name (for example) Detroit, Wayne Co, Michigan, United States. I always use the Co for county, simply for my users' benefit on our website. I realize that all genealogists know the second field would be for the county when used in a four-division standard place name. Thanks for the suggestions and the place to turn off that particular item about the use of the periods. Jerry Boor, MerriamFamilyTree.org On 10/17/2014 10:37 PM, Cathy Pinner wrote: > Hi Jerry, > > Where and whether periods are used is determined by which convention > you follow. Choose one and stick to it. > > To change the criteria for the Potential Problem alerts there are 3 > ways to get to the same place. > > >From an alert Shift + right click > >From the Tools Ribbon - Potential Problems > >From the Reports Ribbon - Other Reports - Potential Problems > > Tick or untick the checkboxes etc to suit yourself. > > Cathy > > Jerry wrote: >> >> Can some of you professional genealogists tell me why or if it is >> recommended to continue to use periods after abbreviations, especially >> with middle names where only the initial is known? It seems that in >> this computer age, we could safely omit those periods. It won't cause >> any concerns for search engines, right? Is there a way to turn off the >> suggestion in Legacy 8 so as not to be reminded if periods are not used >> in abbreviations? I'm not speaking of place names - I realize those >> names should be completely spelled out for accuracy (ie, don't use USA, >> MI, Mich, etc). Thanks, Jerry Boor, MerriamFamilyTree.org > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) > and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Use Of Periods In Abbreviations
Yeah, I realize it is a controversy, particularly for non-United States locations, but it is much cleaner to get alphabetized lists by using the four-divisions, or even adding a fifth division for cemeteries and such, as long as one starts from the smallest entity and goes to the largest, separated by the commas. I handle historic locations by the adjacent note fields, when needed. While I understand the controversy, I very much prefer the use of the commas because it simply works to produce the alphabetical reports one wants within each entity. But I do understand your side of it. Thanks, --Jerry Boor, MerriamFamilyTree.org On 10/17/2014 11:12 PM, David Abernathy wrote: > > The use of the extra comma's before any location looks like one does > not know ehat they are doing. Beside this method only really works on > US of A locations. Then it does not work on a most of the historic > locations. > > I also spell out County or any other area name from any where in the > world. Vey few family data bases stay in one Country. > > Sent from my Kindle Fire > In God We Trust > > > > ---- > *From:* Jerry > *Sent:* Fri Oct 17 19:54:18 PDT 2014 > *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Use Of Periods In Abbreviations > > Thank you David and Cathy. Since Legacy has the long and short place > name fields, I do actually use the postal codes for the short fields, > but for the long fields, I always use the complete name (for > example) Detroit, Wayne Co, Michigan, United States. I always use > the Co for county, simply for my users' benefit on our website. I > realize that all genealogists know the second field would be for the > county when used in a four-division standard place name. Thanks for > the suggestions and the place to turn off that particular item about > the use of the periods. > > Jerry Boor, MerriamFamilyTree.org > > On 10/17/2014 10:37 PM, Cathy Pinner wrote: >> Hi Jerry, >> >> Where and whether periods are used is determined by which convention >> you follow. Choose one and stick to it. >> >> To change the criteria for the Potential Problem alerts there are 3 >> ways to get to the same place. >> >> >From an alert Shift + right click >> >From the Tools Ribbon - Potential Problems >> >From the Reports Ribbon - Other Reports - Potential Problems >> >> Tick or untick the checkboxes etc to suit yourself. >> >> Cathy >> >> Jerry wrote: >>> >>> Can some of you professional genealogists tell me why or if it is >>> recommended to continue to use periods after abbreviations, especially >>> with middle names where only the initial is known? It seems that in >>> this computer age, we could safely omit those periods. It won't cause >>> any concerns for search engines, right? Is there a way to turn off the >>> suggestion in Legacy 8 so as not to be reminded if periods are not used >>> in abbreviations?  I'm not speaking of place names - I realize those >>> names should be completely spelled out for accuracy (ie, don't use USA, >>> MI, Mich, etc). Thanks, Jerry Boor, MerriamFamilyTree.org >> >> >> >> Legacy User Group guidelines: >> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >> Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >> Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >> Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >> Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) >> and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). >> To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) > and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archiv
[LegacyUG] Question About Web Presence
Is it feasible (or do some of you do this already) to put your Legacy family tree on your own website? I'm not talking about Ancestry.com or any of those other sites where you can lose control - I'm talking about your own website. For example, we have a website and it has some nice features, but I would prefer to be able to display the information in the Legacy format and with the great many features Legacy has to offer. Is that being addressed somehow for the future (or maybe I just don't know about it) - a way that we could use Legacy Family Tree software on the World Wide Web - with proper purchase and licensing requirements, of course? Thanks! --Jerry Boor, MerriamFamilyTree.org Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Question About Web Presence
Thanks for the comments, but so far everyone is missing what I asked. I have not seen anything formatted on the web that looks Legacy Family Tree. May I presume there is no such animal? For example, all changes I make on my website are immediately generated and displayed, and I'm not sure any other software ONLINE allows for immediate updates to its database without any html formatting or additional GEDCOM uploads. Overall, I like Legacy Family Tree better than anything else I've seen, ONLINE or on the DESKTOP. So, I am asking if Legacy Family Tree is available on the web, to be displayed to look like and have features like Legacy Family Tree, not whether the information can be uploaded to various other formats. I'm already aware of that and do that myself. In my opinion, it would be something that you in Legacy support would consider working on because your format is superior to what I've seen displayed online so far, and I'd like to see Legacy Family Tree on the web, and not only on the desktop. Thanks, Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org On 10/23/2014 02:00 PM, Gene Young wrote: > On 10/23/2014 12:43 PM, Jerry wrote: >> Is it feasible (or do some of you do this already) to put your Legacy >> family tree on your own website? I'm not talking about Ancestry.com or >> any of those other sites where you can lose control - I'm talking about >> your own website. For example, we have a website and it has some nice >> features, but I would prefer to be able to display the information in >> the Legacy format and with the great many features Legacy has to offer. >> Is that being addressed somehow for the future (or maybe I just don't >> know about it) - a way that we could use Legacy Family Tree software on >> the World Wide Web - with proper purchase and licensing requirements, of >> course? Thanks! --Jerry Boor, MerriamFamilyTree.org >> > Yes it is, and many members have done so. > See http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm This is my site created with Legacy > Family Tree and edited for appearance. > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Question About Web Presence
On 10/23/2014 03:37 PM, MikeFry wrote: > Anything is possible, even the seemingly impossible. > Miracles take that little bit longer and cost a lot more. Those miracles already take place on our website everyday because we can make immediate updates without uploads or html coding changes. But this is not a competitor of Legacy because, as Jim stated, there is no web-based Legacy Family Tree available. Wish there were - it would be a great thing to see the same great features on the World Wide Web. But my question has been answered. Thanks everyone. Jerry Boor, MerriamFamilyTree.org Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] uploading legacy information to the web
I asked the same question the other day and was told by support and several others that there is no web-based version of Legacy Family Tree and I guess they are not that interested in developing one. It's a shame because it would only add to the stature of Legacy, not detract from it in any way. But TNG is not really a competitor to Legacy because they are specifically designed for a web presence and, as far as I know, they are the best thing available for a web-based presence on your own website. Many, many people, not just a few - use Legacy on their desktops and TNG on their websites, including me.Jerry Boor, MerriamFamilyTree.org On 10/27/2014 6:12 PM, CE WOOD wrote: > None are simple; many require knowledge of HTML. One to look at is > TNG: http://lythgoes.net/genealogy/software.php > > It does not look like Legacy. Upload via GEDCOM. Uses FTP for media > files. Links media to your data, As long as you never change the RIN > numbers in Legacy, any new GEDCOM you upload periodically will remain > linked to the media. > > Unlike ancestry.com, it can be totally private = access by invitation > and password only, not internet searchable. > > Darrin Lythgoes is very responsive to any questions. > > > CE > > > From: johnleer...@gmail.com > To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: [LegacyUG] uploading legacy information to the web > Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 12:42:49 -0600 > > Hello, Need to find out how to create a web presence for my family > tree. The uploading procedure from Legacy didn’t help me much. Are > there more clear instructions elsewhere? Thanks, > > */John Rohl ( AAMS; RP; CMFC; CRPC )/* > > */Castle Rock Financial Advisors, LLC/* > > */Managing Principal/* > > */Office 303-688-3372/* > > */Office Fax 303-325-3553/* > > *//* > > */Disclaimer:/**//**/Because they require me to. Castle Rock > Financial Advisors, LLC.,. bottom line….nothing with regard to the > markets, and it’s investments, and investing recommendations, is > guaranteed. Past performance is not an indication of future results > for any investment vehicle. When making an /**/investment in a fund,or > any investment vehicle investors must read and examine thoroughly the > respective disclosure document or offering memorandum. There is risk > of loss as well as the opportunity for gain when investing the > markets. Not that Castle Rock Financial Advisors, LLC. focuses in the > following areas for it’s client it needs mention that when considering > alternate investments, including hedge funds, you should consider > various risks including the fact that some produsts: often engage in > leverageing and other speculative investment practices that may > increase the risk of investment loss, can be illiquid, are not > required to provide periodic pricing or valuation information to > investors, may involve complex tax structures and delays in > distributing important tax information, are not subject to the same > regulatory requirements as mutual funds, often charge high feesm and > in many cases the underlying investments are not transparent and are > know only to the investment manager. Alternative investment > performance can be volatile. An investor could lose all or a > substantial amount of his or her investment. Often, alternative > investment fund and account managers have total trading authority over > their funds or accounts; the use of a single advisor applying > generally similar trading programs could mean lack of diversification > and, consequently, higher risk. There is often no secondary market for > an investor's interest in alternative investments, and none is > expected to develop. All material presented herein is believed to be > reliable but we cannot attest to its accuracy. Opinions expressed by > John Rohl and Castle Rock Financial Advisors LLC., are just that, > opinions, and may change without prior notice. John Rohl, Castle Rock > Financial Advisors, LLC. and/or the staffs may or may not have > investments in these securities. This disclaimer can and will change > on a regular basis depending on regulatory requirements./* > > */Confidentiality Notice:/**//**/If you have received this email in > error, please immediately notify the sender by email at the address > shown. This email and any files transmitted with it may contain > confidential information. This information is intended only for the > use of the individual(s) or entity to whom it is intended even if > addressed incorrectly. Please delete it from your files if you are not > the intended recipient. Thank you./* > > ** > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.
Re: [LegacyUG] uploading legacy information to the web
Does Rootsweb allow you to freely look at their deceased individuals in their data to add to your Legacy desktop tree if you find a good match? --Jerry On 10/28/2014 12:05 AM, Bryan wrote: > I concur with Wendy. Rootsweb is where my site is. > Bryan > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Rules for Entering Place Names in England and Canada
Hi Jenny. You kinda lost me on that explanation. Do you mean that if you are not sure of the country (i.e., Wales or England?), you just don't put the country in your place name field at all? I'm confused, but since sort order is paramount to me, if I had two choices for country, I guess I would choose one and opt for an alternate place name with the other country, with appropriate notations. Maybe I misunderstood what you are saying. Jerry Boor, MerriamFamilyTree.org On 11/4/2014 7:12 AM, Jenny M Benson wrote: > On 02/11/2014 17:26, gen_quest wrote: >> If you ony know the registration district from bmd indices then enter >> that followed by the county and country. > Adding the county (and even the country) can be problematical. Many > Civil Registration Districts incorporated Civil Parishes which were in > adjacent counties. To take one example, the RD of Wrexham (Wrexham is > and was in the Wales) included the sub-districts of Hope in Flintshire, > Wales, Malpas in Cheshire, England and Ruabon in Denbighshire, Wales. > > In order not to mislead or create confusion, I never include the County > or Country in a Location which is just a Registration District. > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Rules for Entering Place Names in England and Canada
I missed that if anyone was saying you *must* do it a certain way. But I will say this unequivocally: If you expect to get a decent alphabetical sorting mechanism for the place name divisions you use in reports, then you*/_must be consistent with whatever divisions you decide_/*. The standard for the United States and Canada (city, county, state or province, country) -- or the reverse if sorting right to left -- does work well enough for us, even in Europe. For example, are not the .shires in England roughly equivalent to our counties, or close enough to use the county position for the ...shires? Jerry Boor, MerriamFamilyTree.org On 11/4/2014 1:58 PM, CE WOOD wrote: > Locations throughout Europe are a problem. Normandy, Anjou, Burgundy, > Aquitaine, et alia, were all separate countries at one time. Italy, > Spain, the Holy Roman Empire are even more confusing! The Norse > countries, Lorraine, Alsace, Bavaria, Flanders. I could go on, but the > point is boundaries change all the time - even now. Whether you add > France to Alsace, whether you add Germany to Alsace, whether you keep > it as a separate country, or whatever, is *_your_ *choice. What you > put in France today was once its own country, part of another country, > part of a no longer existing kingdom, or whatever. > > Computer programs do not accommodate political shifts. > > > > CE > > > From: bearjerca...@gmail.com > > To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com > > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Rules for Entering Place Names in England > and Canada > > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 12:41:32 -0500 > > > > Hi Jenny. You kinda lost me on that explanation. Do you mean that if > > you are not sure of the country (i.e., Wales or England?), you just > > don't put the country in your place name field at all? I'm confused, > > but since sort order is paramount to me, if I had two choices for > > country, I guess I would choose one and opt for an alternate place name > > with the other country, with appropriate notations. Maybe I > > misunderstood what you are saying. Jerry Boor, MerriamFamilyTree.org > > > > On 11/4/2014 7:12 AM, Jenny M Benson wrote: > > > On 02/11/2014 17:26, gen_quest wrote: > > >> If you ony know the registration district from bmd indices then enter > > >> that followed by the county and country. > > > Adding the county (and even the country) can be problematical. Many > > > Civil Registration Districts incorporated Civil Parishes which were in > > > adjacent counties. To take one example, the RD of Wrexham (Wrexham is > > > and was in the Wales) included the sub-districts of Hope in > Flintshire, > > > Wales, Malpas in Cheshire, England and Ruabon in Denbighshire, Wales. > > > > > > In order not to mislead or create confusion, I never include the > County > > > or Country in a Location which is just a Registration District. > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) > and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Password for 7.5
As I understand it, the password is just for the purpose of initializing/completing the "free" download. If you have purchased the deluxe version, you will get a customer ID from Legacy. I just upgraded from version 7 deluxe to version 8 deluxe last night and they emailed me with my new version 8 customer number, which is different than my version 7 customer number. Jerry Boor, MerriamFamilyTree.org On 11/15/2014 1:09 PM, Bob Austen wrote: > > Hi Marie, > > If you are using the deluxe version contact Legacy Support and they > will give you your password, otherwise, as Ron pointed out, Legacy7 > should get you started with the Free version. > > Bob > > *From:*mvmc...@aol.com [mailto:mvmc...@aol.com] > *Sent:* Saturday, November 15, 2014 8:22 AM > *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com > *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Password for 7.5 > > Was there a general password to open 7.5? My desk top crashed and I > have to reload everything. Legacy 7.5 downloaded but it asks for a > password which I thought was "legacy" but it's not. > > Marie > > Marie Varrelman Melchiori, CG, CGL > /Melchiori Research Services, L.L.C. > /---/ > /CG, Certified Genealogist and CGL, Certified Genealogical Lecturer > are service > marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, used under > license by > Board-certified associates after periodic competency evaluations. > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) > and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Couple Marries, Divorces, Re-Marries
Would another option be to record only the first marriage and simply put a note in the adjacent NOTE field for their marriage that they re-married? Might make more sense with a note?Jerry, MerriamFamilyTree.org On 11/18/2014 2:17 PM, R G Strong-genes wrote: > Diana, > Because it is an actual marriage there is no way to keep it from > printing twice. The only other way for it not to print is to make that > marriage private. You may put in a suggestion to them that they put an > option in the report format to suppress the info if it is the same RIN . > *From:* 933e9...@opayq.com <mailto:933e9...@opayq.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 18, 2014 8:07 AM > *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com > <mailto:legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com> > *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Couple Marries, Divorces, Re-Marries > > When a couple has married and divorced, then re-married … is there a > way to keep the report (I’m using the Descendant Book Report at the > moment) from completely re-printing the spouse information? I tried > the archives and couldn’t find anything, but maybe I didn’t use the > right search terminology. > > For instance, my parents are in this situation. When I print a > Descendant Book Report with my mother as the starting person, my > father’s info prints with the 1^st marriage as it should, but then it > prints it a second time with the second marriage to my mother. > > It seems redundant and wastes ink and paper to completely re-print a > page of information that is just above it. > > Thank you! > > Diana > > > -- > Russell G. Strong > P. S. Check out Legacy Family Tree today! This full featured genealogy > program can be downloaded FREE at > http://www.legacyfamilytreestore.com/Articles.asp?ID=133&Click=1114 > Oh so many branches and not enough time to check out all the roots!!!. > Check out my Genealogy Pages at http://www.rgstrong-genes.com . > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) > and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] TMG looking for new home Legacy vs RootsMagic 7
I can't remember for sure, but I seem to recall that when you use
something in a prefix or suffix and export your file as a GEDCOM, the
suffix or prefix is included. So, a numbering scheme, or a color-scheme
for your own benefit only, would possibly not be meaningful, once shared
with someone else or on the web...So, that's probably the reason
colors are not included as part of a GEDCOM transfer. However, tags
usually come across on a GEDCOM as an event. Someone correct me if that
is not accurate... Jerry Boor, MerriamFamilyTree.org
On 12/1/2014 11:39 AM, Barbara Levergood wrote:
> Thanks, Cheryl, for not staying out of it :). A lot of us TMG users are
> trying to figure out how we can do things in our new software. This is
> very hard sometimes because we are not nearly as familiar with the new
> software, because it is often hard to think outside of the TMG "box",
> and because we have such long lists of workarounds we are trying to
> find. So, any feasible ideas are welcome! They may not work for all, but
> they may work for some.
>
> For those who do not knot their undies easily ... I experimented with
> putting the number or letter in parens, say (11), after any real suffix.
> The parens would distinguish the code from any true Prefix or Suffix
> that I have and from the RINs (displayed as [11]) and user IDs
> (displayed as {11}). Another nice thing about the prefix/suffix solution
> is that those fields are searchable. So, I could search for all persons
> coded "(11)" or for all persons coded at all ("("). This is not a
> replacement for more tags (which can be set via Advanced Tagging), but
> it might be a feasible workaround for some.
>
> Another possibility would be to treat the Legacy Tags as one would a
> 9-bit binary number. However, to distinguish 10 lines, you would need
> to use only 4 Tags. Where T is tagged and u is untagged:
> Tags - 1234
> Line 1 - uuuT
> Line 2 - uuTu
> Line 3 - uuTT
> Line 4 - uTuu
> Line 5 - uTuT
> Line 6 - uTTu
> Line 7 - uTTT
> Line 8 - Tuuu
> Line 9 - TuuT
> Line 10 - TuTu
>
> This would have the advantage that one would learn to count to 10 in
> binary very quickly.
>
> Barbara L.
>
>
> On 12/1/2014 10:34 AM, singhals wrote:
>> I polly outta stay out of this, but I won't.
>>
>> After following the thread here, sounds to me as if you
>> don't really need *colors*, all you really need is a way to
>> distinguish the 23 John Smith or Benedict Beek one from the
>> other.
>>
>> In the name fields, Legacy has both a prefix and a suffix,
>> both of which will display in the Name List as well as the
>> family-view and pedigree view. Pick one of 'em, and assign
>> your color-lines a number -- me, I'd assign the line with
>> the most people the #1; but you could assign Amber as #1 and
>> Yellow as #25; or your own line as #1, etc. The
>> possibilities probably rival those 256 million colors 90% of
>> the population can't distinguish anyway.
>>
>> If this knots up your undies, no need to say so, you can
>> just ignore me. Lots of people *DO*.
>>
>> Cheryl
>> Who still not-so-secretly prefers PAF 2.31.
>>
>> Dawn Beeks wrote:
>>> Barbara,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your input.
>>>
>>> Because I have 10 different lines of “beeksâ€Â, when they pop
>>> up, I really need to see what line they are in, so I don’t
>>> have to follow the line until I see someone familiar and
>>> say, oh it’s this line. And people have said, create 10
>>> projects but that doesn’t allow me to move the person easily
>>> to the supposedly correct line/project. So the color is the
>>> big clincher for me, especially when I have 5 or 6 Johns
>>> and Williams all born in the same timeframe. J
>>>
>>> When you did your transfer, did your colors roll over or
>>> disappear?
>>>
>>> I’ve tried doing the colors, but I can’t get it to stay or
>>> work.
>>>
>>> I will go ahead and buy the deluxe and play some more before
>>> I make that final decision__
>>>
>>> Dawn Beeks
>>>
>>> 653 Pampas Place
>>>
>>> Sierra Vista, AZ 85635
>>>
>>> 520 249-5595
>>>
>>> dawnbe...@msn.com
>>>
>>> *From:*karenhappuch [mailto:karenhapp...@cox.net]
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 30, 2014 8:01 PM
>>> *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] TMG looking for new home Legacy vs
>>> RootsMagic
Re: [LegacyUG] This letter (Â). What does it signify?
Thanks CE. I never realized that. That was one of the things that they should have figured out a way to NOT change because it is easier to read almost anything with TWO spaces between sentences. Just a note on the (Â) thing. For me, it always seems to occur when I use quotations, bold or italics. I'll try it here and see if it holds true: "This is a test." *This is a test */"This is a test" Jerry Boor, MerriamFamilyTree.org / On 12/17/2014 12:14 PM, CE WOOD wrote: > Just a note. I too, always used two spaces between sentences because > that was grammatically correct _*in the past*_. > > The new rules of grammar, as taught in schools and professional > writing course specifies one space between sentences. This occurred > with the rise of computers. Editors receiving copy with two spaces, > must change all of them before publishing. I learned the hard way when > I was told to make the corrections before they would publish. > > Perhaps the (Â) was developed to make it easier to identify the > offending spacing. > > > CE > > > From: wendy.how...@gmail.com > > To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com > > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] This letter (Â). What does it signify? > > Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 18:18:59 +1300 > > > > Hi Charles, > > > > It is something to do with the mailing list software not interpreting > > the text of a submitted post, as far as I can see. > > > > If I forget I'm writing a LUG post and type as I normally would, when I > > receive my own copy of the post it will have those characters placed > > where I had typed two spaces, as I normally do between sentences. If I > > put one space (as there is at the start of this sentence), there's no > > funny A. But if there are two spaces (as there are here, deliberately), > > there is. (Now to hope that it behaves as predicted, and you see what I > > intend you to see!) > > > > Just ignore it, it is meaningless here. > > > > Wendy > > > > Charles Brasell said the following on 17/12/2014 12:15: > > > This letter (Â). What does it signify? > > > > > > I seem to run into it here and there > > > > > > Charles Brasell > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) > and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] This letter (Â). What does it signify?
Wow, worse then I thought. It might be difficult for me after over about 50+ years of typing to start to use only one space! Jerry On 12/17/2014 12:40 PM, Jerry wrote: > Thanks CE. I never realized that. That was one of the things that > they should have figured out a way to NOT change because it is easier > to read almost anything with TWO spaces between sentences. Just a > note on the (Â) thing. For me, it always seems to occur when I > use quotations, bold or italics. I'll try it here and see if it > holds true: "This is a test."   *This is a test    */"This is > a test"                 Jerry Boor, > MerriamFamilyTree.org > > / > On 12/17/2014 12:14 PM, CE WOOD wrote: >> Just a note. I too, always used two spaces between sentences because >> that was grammatically correct _*in the past*_. >>  >> The new rules of grammar, as taught in schools and professional >> writing course specifies one space between sentences. This occurred >> with the rise of computers. Editors receiving copy with two spaces, >> must change all of them before publishing. I learned the hard way >> when I was told to make the corrections before they would publish. >>  >> Perhaps the (Â) was developed to make it easier to identify the >> offending spacing. >> >> >> CE >>  >> > From: wendy.how...@gmail.com >> > To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com >> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] This letter (Â). What does it signify? >> > Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 18:18:59 +1300 >> > >> > Hi Charles, >> > >> > It is something to do with the mailing list software not interpreting >> > the text of a submitted post, as far as I can see. >> > >> > If I forget I'm writing a LUG post and type as I normally would, >> when I >> > receive my own copy of the post it will have those characters placed >> > where I had typed two spaces, as I normally do between sentences. If I >> > put one space (as there is at the start of this sentence), there's no >> > funny A. But if there are two spaces (as there are here, >> deliberately), >> > there is. (Now to hope that it behaves as predicted, and you see >> what I >> > intend you to see!) >> > >> > Just ignore it, it is meaningless here. >> > >> > Wendy >> > >> > Charles Brasell said the following on 17/12/2014 12:15: >> > > This letter (Â). What does it signify? >> > > >> > > I seem to run into it here and there >> > > >> > > Charles Brasell >> >> >> Legacy User Group guidelines: >> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >> Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >> Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >> Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >> Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) >> and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). >> To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) > and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Occupations on a tree
The scheme below would be good except for the fact that we generally want to be able to produce alphabetical lists of occupations and that type of thing. But it seems that it would be possible to consolidate all the Cordwainers into a single item and just list the different dates in the adjacent note section? Multiple dates don't work for sorting, I guess, if used in the date field. Jerry On 12/17/2014 12:05 PM, Brooke Eastburn wrote: > Would it be possible to put the info this way: > > 1823-1875 Shoemaker, cordwainer, labourer, cow keeper, rag dealer, > greengrocer > > This would give all the info but not be specific to what years he held these > jobs. At least all the info would be listed. Or is the field limited to > fewer spaces? > > > > >> On Dec 17, 2014, at 6:57 AM, Alan Pereira wrote: >> >> Family Tree Maker 2005 used to handle this on charting by allowing you to >> select a Preferred Occupation (similar to the way legacy allows you to >> select a preferred marriage). FTM2005 then allowed you to select only the >> preferred Occupation for display. >> Maybe an option for a legacy enhancement? >> >> Alan Pereira >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk] >> Sent: 16 December 2014 20:38 >> To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com >> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Occupations on a tree >> >> On 16/12/2014 20:19, carogene wrote: >>> I add occupations after the marriage place, only for tree printing >>> purposes. It can be far more interesting to see a pattern emerge, or not. >>> Looking forward to Legacy dealing with this one, it would be a popular >>> addition I think. >> The big problem must be that Occupation is not a single fixed fact like >> Birthdate/place or Baptism Date/Place but could be a recurrent Event. >> Many people have 2, 3 or more occupations in their lifetime. I record each >> instance of a person's occupation that I see recorded. For one of my >> ancestors this results in: >> >> 1823 Shoemaker >> 1825 Cordwainer >> 1826 Cordwainer >> 1828 Corwainer >> 1830 Labourer >> 1832 Labourer >> 1834 Cordwainer >> 1836 Cordwainer >> 1838 Cordwainer >> 1840 Cow Keeper >> 1841 Rag Dealer >> 1847 Cordwainer >> 1851 Cordwainer >> 1861 Cordwainer >> 1871 Greengrocer >> 1875 Greengrocer >> -- >> Jenny M Benson >> >> >> >> Legacy User Group guidelines: >> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >> Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >> Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >> Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >> Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on >> our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). >> To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Legacy User Group guidelines: >> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >> Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >> Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >> Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >> Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on >> our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). >> To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp >> >> > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] This letter (Â). What does it signify?
Yeah and speaking of grammar, I see I used /then/ when it should have been /than/ below - got in a hurry. The reason so many of those A's appeared was because I used lots of spaces, then typed my name. I am wondering if using the TAB key would be a different result. I will try it here.I just used three tabs. Thanks to the person who brought this up - I had asked before years ago and got no answer. Three tabs again, Jerry On 12/17/2014 02:36 PM, gerald wrote: > Oh, man, did you ever get a lot of them!! It usually indicates that > our email program didn't understand what you wrote, so puts in a > symbol because it didn't know what else to say! > I work for a firm that does a lot of publishing, so whenever articles > are written, I have to go through them and remove double spaces after > sentences (and correct other formatting) because the publishing > software can't process them. It can be a pain sometimes if I have 61 > pages! But as you say, some of the "older" generation learned to type > with 2 spaces after a period at the end of a sentence (as did I) and > it takes a lot of worrk to un-do a habit and create a new one. They > don't need to re-learn since they have me! LOL > The word-processing programs create a larger space at the end of > sentences so we don't need to put them in. They also start a sentence > with an uppercase letter, and we don't have to do that either. Except > some programs don't, so I have to go back and correct myself and put > them in. That's why most kids today have such poor grammar, with no > punctuation or uppercase letters. They don't need to do it!! > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 10:55 AM > Wow, worse then I thought. It might be difficult for me after over > about 50+ years of typing to start to use only one space! > > Jerry > On 12/17/2014 12:40 PM, Jerry wrote: > > Thanks CE. I never realized that. That was one of the > things that they should have figured out a way to NOT change > because it is easier to read almost anything with TWO spaces > between sentences. Just a note on the (Â) > thing. > For me, it always seems to occur when I use quotations, bold or > italics. I'll try it here and see if it holds true: "This > is a test."   *This is a test   >  */"This is a > test"        >          > Jerry Boor, MerriamFamilyTree.org/ > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) > and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Digest version
I agree with you, Don, and apparently the third-party that Legacy uses doesn't offer a digest option. But what I did, which helps, is to create a filter just for Legacy emails. That way, those emails go directly into my Legacy folder. Jerry On 12/17/2014 08:40 PM, Don Henderson wrote: > Hi Support Team > Does Legacy not have a Digest Version of the list? > Every one I have ever been on has one. I find it too bothersome to > find 15 to 20 messages in my Inbox every day, on top of all my friends > and business e-mails. > Thanks, > Don Henderson > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) > and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] This link on your user group page does not work
Sherry, it looks like Don was reporting that the LINK below for Online technical support - http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp - is not working. I also noticed on the website under Help Center that the links for Troubleshooting Help, How to import files from another... and Tips are not working either. I tried those three things on both Firefox and Google Chrome with same result, not working. Jerry Boor On 12/17/2014 10:22 PM, Sherry/Support wrote: > What is the URL that you're on when you click to go to the Help? > > Sincerely, > Sherry > Technical Support > Legacy Family Tree > > > On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Don Henderson wrote: >> Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] This link on your user group page does not work
Sherry, in addition to the hyper-link not working you mentioned in the footers of the email messages - www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp - there are still problems on the website under the category Help Center. For example, if you click on /*How to import files from other programs*/, you are brought to support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00890/. Everything is ok up to that point. _Then if you attempt to make a selection BENEATH __/*How to import files from other programs*/__, you lose the ability to make any selection below that point_. If you click on */How to import files from other programs/* a second time, the URL address which appears above changes to www.legacyfamilytree.com/tipsGEDCOMfiles.asp. At that point you get a 404 - File or directory not found error. The two issues might be connected, but it looks like at least that one section in the coding needs to be corrected. Thanks. Jerry Boor On 12/18/2014 9:47 AM, Sherry/Support wrote: > Oh! Thanks. It would have been easy to say "in the footers in the > emails". When he wrote "Your user group page", I was thinking > http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/UsersGroups.asp, which is the page for > the Legacy User Groups. > > I'll mention to Ken to change the URL. > > > Sincerely, > Sherry > Technical Support > Legacy Family Tree > > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 6:28 AM, Evert van Dijken wrote: >> I'll send a screenshot >> Evert >> >> 2014-12-18 15:10 GMT+01:00 Sherry/Support : >>> What I wanted to know was where he was starting from. We have changed >>> our support URL and if you go to www.LegacyFamilyTree.com > Help >>> Center > Troubleshooting Help, the link there *does* work. >>> >>> I need to know where something is linking to the old URL. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Sherry >>> Technical Support >>> Legacy Family Tree >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 9:13 PM, wrote: >>>> Clicking the link in Jerry's post does not work. Confirmed. >>>> >>>> Ron Ferguson > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] This link on your user group page does not work
Did you click on How to import then try to go beneath that link? And did you click on How to import... a second time?Plus, does that page www.legacyfamilytree.com/tipsGEDCOMfiles.asp come up for you? If so, maybe only certain browsers or situations are affected?Jerry On 12/18/2014 12:57 PM, Sherry/Support wrote: > Thanks, I'll let the programmer know. However, that article can be > found by going to either Troubleshooting Help or Tips > > I just tested all the links under Help Center and they're all working > fine for me. > > The article on exporting from other programs can be found at > <http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00890/14/Tips-and-How-Tos/GEDCOM-Export-from-other-programs-to-Legacy.html> > > There are some other helpful articles you can see by clicking on the > links to the left under "Gedcom" > > > > Sincerely, > Sherry > Technical Support > Legacy Family Tree > > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Jerry wrote: >> Sherry, in addition to the hyper-link not working you mentioned in the >> footers of the email messages - www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp - there >> are still problems on the website under the category Help Center. For >> example, if you click on How to import files from other programs, you are >> brought to support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00890/. Everything is ok >> up to that point. Then if you attempt to make a selection BENEATH How to >> import files from other programs, you lose the ability to make any selection >> below that point. If you click on How to import files from other programs a >> second time, the URL address which appears above changes to >> www.legacyfamilytree.com/tipsGEDCOMfiles.asp. At that point you get a 404 >> - File or directory not found error. The two issues might be connected, but >> it looks like at least that one section in the coding needs to be >> corrected. Thanks. >> >> Jerry Boor > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] This link on your user group page does not work
*No, Sherry, as of a couple minutes ago (10:10 pm Eastern Time, Thursday night), the problem that Brian outlined so eloquently in his post is NOT fixed*. I guess you are talking about the link at the bottom of the users' group emails. That is fixed, but not the other linking issues on the website under Help Center. Thanks, Jerry Boor On 12/18/2014 7:11 PM, Sherry/Support wrote: > I reported this Ken earlier & he said he has this fixed > > Sherry > Tech Support > > On Thursday, December 18, 2014, Brian/Support > mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com>> wrote: > > I think I see your problem so I have restated the issue in step by > step > format to make it clearer. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Sincerely, > Sherry > Technical Support > Legacy Family Tree > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) > and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] This link on your user group page does not work
Hi Sherry. It's like you are speaking Spanish and me English. LOL! If you follow the steps that Brian stated in his post, you will find exactly what the problem on the website is */_and it is still there as of a couple minutes ago (12:14 pm Friday, Eastern Time)_/*. Trust me - I am not cuckoo yet, getting there. Apparently you are not following ALL the steps he outlined and stated better than I stated the problem. Sorry, I did not state the problem clearer originally..Jerry Boor On 12/18/2014 10:39 PM, Sherry/Support wrote: > I'm talking about the one at the bottom of the emails as well as the > one on our website under Help Center. That was the only link where I > experienced a problem when I tested it earlier. > > I just tried them both and they're both working just fine for me. > > You might need to empty your browser cache. > > > Sincerely, > Sherry > Technical Support > Legacy Family Tree > > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Jerry wrote: >> No, Sherry, as of a couple minutes ago (10:10 pm Eastern Time, Thursday >> night), the problem that Brian outlined so eloquently in his post is NOT >> fixed. I guess you are talking about the link at the bottom of the users' >> group emails. That is fixed, but not the other linking issues on the >> website under Help Center. >> >> Thanks, Jerry Boor >> >> On 12/18/2014 7:11 PM, Sherry/Support wrote: >> >> I reported this Ken earlier & he said he has this fixed >> >> Sherry >> Tech Support >> >> On Thursday, December 18, 2014, Brian/Support >> wrote: >>> I think I see your problem so I have restated the issue in step by step >>> format to make it clearer. >>> > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com > > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Help Center Website Issue (clarifying topic)
*Sherry, I kind of understand why you might not be getting the issue because, for one thing, you won't encounter the problem until you have clicked on How to a SECOND time*. Also, then moving down the Help Center dialog box after that, you might not notice the issue unless your mouse pointer is close to the RIGHT edge of the context box. Further to the LEFT (after getting below the How to menu section, but still in the context box does not produce the same error. The way the coding is, part of the window beneath bleeds through and that might be part of the problem? It worked identical on my wife's computer and mine and in Windows and Linux, Firefox and Chrome. But this is the last of my ranting about the issue. If it gets fixed, ok - if not, oh well, I've done my part. Just wondering why all the users on the list have apparently not bothered to check it for themselves? Jerry Boor On 12/19/2014 12:37 PM, Sherry/Support wrote: > Then I'll stay out of it because everything's working fine for me. > Could be the browser - I use FireFox. > > > Sincerely, > Sherry > Technical Support > Legacy Family Tree > > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Jerry wrote: >> Hi Sherry. It's like you are speaking Spanish and me English. LOL! If you >> follow the steps that Brian stated in his post, you will find exactly what >> the problem on the website is and it is still there as of a couple minutes >> ago (12:14 pm Friday, Eastern Time). Trust me - I am not cuckoo yet, >> getting there. Apparently you are not following ALL the steps he outlined >> and stated better than I stated the problem. Sorry, I did not state the >> problem clearer originally..Jerry Boor >> >> On 12/18/2014 10:39 PM, Sherry/Support wrote: >> >> I'm talking about the one at the bottom of the emails as well as the >> one on our website under Help Center. That was the only link where I >> experienced a problem when I tested it earlier. >> >> I just tried them both and they're both working just fine for me. >> >> You might need to empty your browser cache. >> >> >> Sincerely, >> Sherry >> Technical Support >> Legacy Family Tree >> > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com > > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry.....
It's a hot topic and will continue to be so, but our preference is to use the modern name in the location field itself with appropriate historical notes in the adjacent note field. You get a much cleaner and "easier to use" master locations list in alphabetical order when everything is standardized. Jerry Boor, MerriamFamilyTree.org On 12/24/2014 10:59 AM, David Abernathy wrote: > There is NO correct way. What works for you, but you need to be consistent. > > I try and used the location name at the time of the event. The location > database will most likely show errors, but then it is not worth much anyway. > None of the location databases with ANY family research program will have any > of the History names. Without the correct name at the time of the event, then > a lot of happenings just will not make sense. > > As stated before, it is your call > > Thanks, > David C Abernathy > Email disclaimers > > This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. > > http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com > == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus == > > -Original Message- > From: singhals [mailto:singh...@erols.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 7:40 AM > To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry. > > W. Bruce Matson wrote: >> Hello, >> Is there a more “correct†way of entering data for a person living >> during American Colonial times? >> For example, a person living in York, Maine in 1661 wouldn’t >> technically be correct. Would it be better to enter, York, York County >> (even though the County probably didn’t exist then), Maine, British >> Colonial/ North America? Certainly, the USA hadn’t been formed that >> early. .Any suggestions how others of you might deal with this. >> Thanks for any advice/input. >> >> Bruce Matson >> Mount Vernon, WA > IME, it depends on (a) what, exactly, you intend to do with the data, (b) who > you wish to impress, (c) your personal feelings about picayune details. > > If I'm compiling a tree for a lineage society, I ask them what THEY want it > to say -- because if I do it differently, they'll reject it and make me do it > twice. > > If I'm keeping a database for family, there's NO profit/point to saying that > x was in Virginia because everyone who looks at it will complain that it's > really in Ohio (yeah, is now; at the time, that was Ohio county, Va, though). > > If I'm using the database for tracking something, I use whatever the source > document says. Since I work mostly South of the Mason-Dixon Line, I've never > seen British Colonial America or even British North America in an original > document. Not saying there isn't one, just that I've never seen it. I've > seen State of Virginia, Commonwealth of Virginia, Province of Maryland, > Province of North Carolina, Proprietorship of Pennsylvania ... but never with > "America" appended. > > Either way, I say in the NOTES either what the doc actually said or where the > place is today, whichever I need to clarify. > > Worth what you paid for the opinion, however. Essentially, your call. > > Cheryl > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com > > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com > > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.
Re: [LegacyUG] Cleaning up Location list
Hi Jane. You can use the SEARCH and REPLACE function in Legacy to clean up your location lists (short or long) such as changing USA to United States or whatever you are attempting to do. I've used that method many times. Just do it carefully, back up and test by doing a single instance only, for example, till you know it does what you want. Sometimes a couple pass-throughs are needed. Jerry Boor, MerriamFamilyTree.org On 12/30/2014 3:13 PM, Jane Sarles wrote: > I don't suppose there is a short cut to adding "USA" to location entries? > > Jane Sarles > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com > > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Voice Recognition Software
The company, Nuance, that owns Dragon has the home version on sale for $49.99, but ending today. They say you are saving $100.00? But they quite often have sale prices if you sign up for their email newsletter.Jerry On 12/31/2014 05:29 PM, Cheryl Rothwell wrote: > I am looking forward to watching your video. DNS can do great things > but I didn't know it could do that. > > On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Michele/Support > mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com>> > wrote: > > Bobby, > Nice job! So with that accent I am thinking you are from my part > of the country (I live in Georgia). I recently bought Dragon but > I haven't had time to work with it yet. I am thinking I will be > using it more for the notes fields but I have to say I was > impressed with how you were able to navigate the Master Source > List and then fill in the detail screen :) > > Michele > Technical Support > mich...@legacyfamilytree.com <mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com> > www.legacyfamilytree.com <http://www.legacyfamilytree.com> > > -Original Message- > From: Bobby Johnson [mailto:b...@brmemc.net <mailto:b...@brmemc.net>] > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 4:06 PM > To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: [LegacyUG] Voice Recognition Software > > Happy new year everybody!!! > > I have recently become a fan of voice recognition software. > Especially after viewing the recent webinar on this subject. > At the time of the webinar I had had Dragon Naturally Speaking > installed on my computer for about 3 weeks. With a little > practice, I am now using it to enter data into Legacy almost > exclusively. > > I've just completed making a short video (about 20 minutes) > demonstrating how I use Dragon with Legacy. If you are interested > in viewing this you may download it at the following link: > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/508bulqmn2a8p6f/LFT-Dragon.mp4?dl= > 0 > > Please don't expect this to be a "Geoff Rasmussen" quality video, > but perhaps you can get some ideas of how it can be used. > > Bobby > > > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com > > Follow Legacy on Facebook > (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog > (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) > and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Register for Webinar Wednesday - Genealogy on the Go with iPads and Tablets by Lisa Louise Cooke
Diana, I'm glad you asked the question because I completely overlooked the fact we can add automatic notices about legacy webinars to Google calendar. I suspect you can simply turn them on or off, but you might be able to individually delete ones you can't attend, just a guess. If you haven't received an answer, I suspect you can probably get an answer by sending your email directly to: ge...@legacyusers.com. Jerry in Michigan On 1/5/2015 3:13 PM, Brian L. Lightfoot wrote: > > Wouldn’t this question be better answered on a Google Calendar forum > or from Google directly rather than a Legacy forum which is supposed > to be about the Legacy program? > > Brian in CA > > *From:*933e9...@opayq.com [mailto:933e9...@opayq.com] > *Sent:* Monday, January 05, 2015 11:28 AM > *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com > *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Register for Webinar Wednesday - Genealogy > on the Go with iPads and Tablets by Lisa Louise Cooke > > Hi, > > I have a question about letting the webinars be added to your Google > calendar automatically. J > > A couple months back, I clicked to have - what I thought was a single > webinar - added to my Google calendar. Since then, ALL the webinars > are on my calendar and I can’t remove the ones I won’t be available or > don’t want/need to watch. > > Is there a way to remove the automatically added webinars so that I > can go back to adding them to my calendar myself? I’ve tried > everything I can think of, but they seem to be set permanently! > > Thanks, > > Diana > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) > and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Register for Webinar Wednesday - Genealogy on the Go with iPads and Tablets by Lisa Louise Cooke
Oh, sorry, I see Geoff already answered - good thing to know - I have added the webinars to my Google calender. --Jerry On 1/5/2015 5:14 PM, Jerry wrote: > Diana, I'm glad you asked the question because I completely overlooked > the fact we can add automatic notices about legacy webinars to Google > calendar. I suspect you can simply turn them on or off, but you might > be able to individually delete ones you can't attend, just a guess. If > you haven't received an answer, I suspect you can probably get an > answer by sending your email directly to: > > ge...@legacyusers.com. > > Jerry in Michigan > > On 1/5/2015 3:13 PM, Brian L. Lightfoot wrote: >> >> Wouldn’t this question be better answered on a Google Calendar >> forum or from Google directly rather than a Legacy forum which is >> supposed to be about the Legacy program? >> >>  >> >>  >> >> Brian in CA >> >>  >> >>  >> >> *From:*933e9...@opayq.com [mailto:933e9...@opayq.com] >> *Sent:* Monday, January 05, 2015 11:28 AM >> *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com >> *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Register for Webinar Wednesday - Genealogy >> on the Go with iPads and Tablets by Lisa Louise Cooke >> >>  >> >> Hi, >> >>  >> >> I have a question about letting the webinars be added to your Google >> calendar automatically. J >> >>  >> >> A couple months back, I clicked to have - what I thought was a single >> webinar - added to my Google calendar. Since then, ALL the webinars >> are on my calendar and I can’t remove the ones I won’t be >> available or don’t want/need to watch. >> >>  >> >> Is there a way to remove the automatically added webinars so that I >> can go back to adding them to my calendar myself? I’ve tried >> everything I can think of, but they seem to be set permanently! >> >>  >> >> Thanks, >> >> Diana >> >>  >> >> >> >> Legacy User Group guidelines: >> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >> Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >> Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >> Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com >> Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) >> and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). >> To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) > and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] RE: My Legacy Test Message
It is unfortunate that a reputable company like Legacy can't fix this problem or get a different third-party for their email groups - it has been happening this way for *YEARS*. That other problem on the website I reported multiple times involving clicking on *HELP CENTER* has never been fixed after many months either. If the company can't fix these "routine" problems, makes one wonder about the more major issues? Sorry for my venting my frustration. /*_What I've been doing lately is just contacting the POSTING-ABILITY USERS ONLY directly, without even going through the list, because we are only talking to each other, not to the persons having the trouble_*/. Jerry Boor, MerriamFamilyTree.org On 01/24/2015 05:59 AM, Jenny M Benson wrote: > On 24/01/2015 08:13, June wrote: >> I'm still not able to receive mail from the group. I have been in >> contact with Support and they have assisted as best they can and can >> find no reason. Have also been in touch with my internet provider ( >> iinet ) and there is no reason from their end either. Then contacted >> a computer person and went through some settings and he could find no >> reason. So he suggested I send another email just in case! Obviously >> no resolution so I'm stuck. >> >> I know the list is not for this but how else can I check than by >> sending a message? > I think you have two possible options, one of which will work but is > clumsy, the other is convenient but might not work! > > The first is that you can access the posts in this list via the archive at: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > The second is to try using a different e-mail address to subscribe to > this list. There are a few free options if you don't already have > another address - Gmail, Hotmail, Ymail and maybe others. > > > NB: This message sent to LUG and to June's e-mail. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] RE: My Legacy Test Message
I have first-hand knowledge of this problem about the list that has absolutely nothing to do with spam settings or anything else. *It is definitely a bug, but apparently it doesn't happen every time*. Used to be that you could carefully go back and CUT and PASTE the URL link from that welcoming email to your browser and fix the problem, but last time I also had to contact support because the CUT and PASTE would not work. Just seeing a lot about bugs not fixed yet and wonder if I just spent money foolishly by upgrading to Legacy 8 recently? Hopefully not, Legacy always seemed to be a great product - hope they can more diligently work on the bugs - hire another staff member, if needed. Jerry On 01/25/2015 09:20 PM, Charani wrote: > On 26/01/2015 01:50, Jerry wrote: >> It is unfortunate that a reputable company like Legacy can't fix this >> problem or get a different third-party for their email groups - it has >> been happening this way for*YEARS*. That other problem on the website I >> reported multiple times involving clicking on*HELP CENTER* has never >> been fixed after many months either. If the company can't fix these >> "routine" problems, makes one wonder about the more major issues? Sorry >> for my venting my frustration. > I don't think that's wholly fair. > > ISPs and email providers cause more than a few problems with their own > filters treating list mail as spam, and it's not just this list. > Sometimes this happens /before/ mail gets to the intended recipient, > sometimes after. > > Add to that those using an email client (Thunderbird, Eudora, Outlook, > Outlook Express, etc) who check that spam folder but overlook checking > the one in webview. > > That aside, programming is not a simple matter. When an error occurs, > yes, it can be fixed /but/ in remedying one error the fix mustn't > cause another. Intermittent errors cause major headaches as do those > that affect one person but don't affect dozens of others. > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Legacy Family Tree Online Methods
Hi everyone. I've been off the list for a while, tried to join - testing to see if it works and asking a question. Those of you who have a website, but Legacy Family Tree is your preferred desktop app, of course, what have you found are the best ways to get an online presence and still keep your Legacy desktop database in sync with your online data? I'm talking about maintaining your own website online, not uploading to Ancestry or any of the others out there. Thanks if anyone has ideas on the best ways to proceed... Jerry Boor - MerriamFamilyTree.org Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] LTools
Good advice about always backing up your file and working with the backup to see what happens first. LTools was a real blessing to me a couple times in doing some things with Legacy that you could not easily do in Legacy alone, if at all. So, I see LTools and Dennis as a real boost and promotion for the Legacy software. --Jerry in Michigan On 01/31/2012 11:55 AM, Sherry/Support wrote: > Thanks for the information Ron. > > I would like to add that this is *not* an official Legacy Add-on and > is not supported by Legacy. > > Be sure to back up your Family File, per the warnings throughout the > program. Any unwanted changes to your Family File is your own > responsibility. > > Use it at your own risk > > > Sincerely, > Sherry > Technical Support > Legacy Family Tree > > > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:44 AM, Ron Ferguson > wrote: >> Marli, >> >> Ltools is a product which is written by a Legacy user to provide additional >> functionality which for one reason or another Legacy have not chosen to >> incorporate into their own product. Although initially written for the >> author’s own use, many of the tools have been introduced at the request of >> Legacy users. Some, for example, the HTML routine overcomes a number of bugs >> in the Legacy Pedigree web pages and incorporates CSS to replace HTML >> attributes, that alone is worth $10 for the deluxe edition (the basic >> addition is free). >> >> A few of the functions are what may be regarded as a more specialised >> interest, which Legacy is most unlikely ever to incorporate. It is not the >> only add-on for Legacy, btw., indeed, Legacy has a number on their own >> website, but not LTools. This post is really off- topic as LTools is not a >> Legacy product, so my apologies, there is an Ltools Forum and I recommend >> visiting http://zippersoftware.com/wp/ltools/what-is-ltools/ >> >> Ron Ferguson >> http://www.fergys.co.uk/ >> >> >> From: Marli Yoder >> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 12:32 PM >> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >> Subject: [LegacyUG] LTools >> >> Question- why do we have an add on for Legacy of tricks (LTools) that was >> not incorporated by Legacy themselves? And how do I see what all LTools can >> do with out buying so I can decide if we really need it? (Computer >> illiterate person here!) I downloaded the part for Find-A-Grave, and it >> worked, but was >> slow. (Probably my computer, not the program) >> Thanks >> Marli Yoder >> A& M Farms >> Eureka& Sturgeon Missouri >> APHA, AQHA& IBHA >> >> From: Tony Rolfe >> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >> Sent: Mon, January 30, 2012 11:39:22 PM >> Subject: [LegacyUG] untag non-blood relatives >> >> Ah, cracked it now. The advanced Tagging feature of LTools has an >> ancestors plus option and setting the "Generations from trunk" to >> something huge and including spouses, seems to tag all blood relations >> attached to the ancestor side. >> >> >> >> >> Legacy User Group guidelines: >> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >> Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >> Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >> Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >> Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on >> our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). >> To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations
Sounds like the aka location idea would be great, but only if it could be kept separate and not lumped in with the master locations list, unless by selection perhaps. Jerry John Clifford wrote: >Where does the "should" come from? > >I have gradually moved to using the latest version of place names because I >am producing a family tree for family members and other people who are not >expert genealogists. I want to make the tree as meaningful and easy to >understand as possible. In particular: > >1. seeing the current name for a location gives the average user a good idea >of where the event took place, whereas using obsolete spelling, county name, >or (especially) country name will be misleading or meaningless > >2. using the Bing geo-coding tool in Legacy is unnecessarily arduous if you >use old names > >3. when geo-codes are translated back onto a map, for instance in Google on >TNG, the user will only see modern names and may be puzzled if the event >name is different. > >4. for fellow geeks, the old name(s) can be put in the source text/detail >and will still be documented. > >Incidentally the UK Registration Districts names change successively in some >areas, like country names. I was reading recently about a place in Central >Europe that was in three different countries on the same day, in 1939 I >think. > >Having said all that an aka facility in Legacy for Location would be very >useful and I will add a request. > >John Clifford > > > >-Original Message- >From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com] >Sent: 03 February 2012 21:09 >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations > >Locations should always be entered as they were at the time of the event. > >You can add notes about changes in notes for the location in the Master >Location List or in the notes for the event Location Notes can be included >in the Location Index in a report. > >I's always interesting to read of how much a town has "moved" around. >In the US we just see county or state boundaries change around a town not >whole countries, thankfully! > >Sincerely, >Sherry >Technical Support >Legacy Family Tree > > > >On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Ray Rhoads wrote: >> This may not be the right place to ask this question but here go's anyway. >> >> When entering a place name for an event, (birth, death etc.) that took >> place in a foreign country should you use present day locations or the >> location at the time of the event? >> >> My reason for asking is that my mothers family comes from an town in >> present day Germany. However they came to this country before there was a >Germany. >> Although the events always occurred in the same town that town at >> times was part of different Countries or Kingdoms. I have cases where >> people were born in Bavaria, married France and died in Prussia and in >> between lived in another kingdom but never left the town. >> >> Your thoughts would be appreciated >> >> Ray Rhoads > > >Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on >our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). >To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > > > >Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on >our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). >To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations
Yes, Michele, but you don't have to "mess up" your master location list to do that. You can accomplish the same thing with the note fields adjacent to location. Sorry, but I don't think I could ever be convinced to put seven different location names for the exact same spot on the map when the note field will work for that. It is time for the gedcom standard to be updated to match computer technology. Both the aka location and latititde/longitude ideas seem worthy of consideration. Thanks for listening. Jerry in Michigan cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote: >You should record the location as it was at the time of the event unless you >keep your research completely to yourself and never share it with anyone. >If you share the info in any way, shape or form, you really should conform >to how everyone else does it or it will only cause confusion :) :) :) > >Michele > > > >Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on >our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). >To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations
No, that's certainly not harsh, but the big reason I'm concerned about a huge number of locations in our master list is that we might have over 100,000 Merriam descendants and our goal is to get as many of them into one database as we possibly can. We have a long ways to go because we are only at 14,000 or so. Having multiple names for the same locations would make that difficult to wade through, that's all. Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org On 2/7/2012 10:08 AM, Paula Ryburn wrote: > Hopefully, I will not sound too harsh, but my genealogical research > goals do not include anything about the size of my Location list. > > I think the Location AKA could work just like the Name AKA does, > including how it looks in lists. If you want to use AKA's, you want to > see them, too. And thinking a bit on this particular case: All the "old" > names for the location would have the same "present day" AKA, so that's > really only adding one. (well, at least that's how I would use it) > --Paula in Texas > Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton > Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis > Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind > Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner > Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan > Weller Williams > > > > *From:* Jerry > *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > *Sent:* Sun, February 5, 2012 2:27:30 PM > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations > > Yes, Michele, but you don't have to "mess up" your master location list > to do that. You can accomplish the same thing with the note fields > adjacent to location. Sorry, but I don't think I could ever be convinced > to put seven different location names for the exact same spot on the map > when the note field will work for that. It is time for the gedcom > standard to be updated to match computer technology. Both the aka > location and latititde/longitude ideas seem worthy of consideration. > Thanks for listening. Jerry in Michigan > > cranberryf...@cobridge.tv <mailto:cranberryf...@cobridge.tv> wrote: > > >You should record the location as it was at the time of the event > unless you > >keep your research completely to yourself and never share it with anyone. > >If you share the info in any way, shape or form, you really should conform > >to how everyone else does it or it will only cause confusion :) :) :) > > > >Michele > > > > > > > >Legacy User Group guidelines: >>http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > >Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >>http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > >Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >>http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >>Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >>Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and > on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). >>To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and > on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and > on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Proper placement of place names
If a person was "OF" such-and-such a place, that must mean he/she was a resident there at some point. So, my logical conclusion has been to use the RESIDENCE event. That way I don't have to worry about cluttering my master locations list with OFs that increase the list and I can still reference the fact the person LIVED there at some point. Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org On 2/11/2012 12:43 PM, cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote: > I do not put “of” in the birth field (many people do). The reason I > don’t is that if I found the person in a particular place and time > (let’s say a census record) that location will be recorded. I can see > that a glance everywhere a person has been. I don’t need to use “of” If > I figure out where he was born then I will record it. > michele > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and > on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Proper placement of place names
Oh, sorry Jenny - didn't see your response about residence in time. But, to me, even if I don't know the time, I still record the residence without a date. Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org On 2/11/2012 12:50 PM, Jenny M Benson wrote: > On 11/02/2012 17:25, Carl Cox wrote: >> <> >> Many times I know a place where someone lived, but not where they were >> born. I use "of" to designate that I this is the first place I can pick >> up my ancestors trail. To me it is very useful. > > I never use "Of Location" either. If I know someone was in a certain > place at a certain time I will make a Residence Event but if I have just > come across "Of Location" somewhere with no indication of time I will > put in Research Notes that the person is believed to have a connection > with that place. > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Proper placement of place names
Hard to understand why you wouldn't use a residence event and you could forget the "OF." If "OF" has been used correctly, it ALWAYS means the person lived there. Jerry Carl Cox wrote: > > ><there is no Event and no Source!>> > >The software I use on my web site requires a GEDCOM input, and does not >handle events and sources well, if at all. I strive for accuracy, but if >anyone desires more details, I am glad to supply them. I chose my >display software because it displays much like Legacy, with families, >notes, ancestors and descendants. The family who looks at the web site >are mostly interested in the content, not the provenance. Also, the new >FamilySearch web site is not yet ready for sources, and probably will >never accept events, unless a new GEDCOM standard is accepted. > >A census does not give the birthplace, except for the state, so if you >feel justified in putting the city and you cannot find birth evidence, >it is more accurate to use 'of'. > >Carl > > >Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on >our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). >To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use?
I do something very similar to what James does. When you are going through a list and you see a bunch of Sallys, blanks or unknowns, it does not lend itself well to giving you any idea how the person is related to another person in your tree. So, I would indicate very much like James and say: Surname:Smith First Name: Given Name ? (Father of John) Jerry Boor - MerriamFamilyTree.org On 2/14/2012 9:59 AM, James Cook wrote: > [[Father of John]] > Smith > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Jane Sarles wrote: >> When I have an ancestor, whose given name I do not know, but for whom I have >> information to create and event, I should like to know what other people >> use for a given name. > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use?
Very good pointt, Paula, but on our website we have hundreds of unknowns, both Paula Ryburn wrote: >Depends on how you do your research. I do mine by family, working steadily >backwards, so I rarely use the Name list. > >Also, I just last night accidentally discovered I can set more than 3 bookmarks >for individuals woo hoo! ;) Legacy is still full of surprises for me. > >I guess what I'm saying is: If you are constantly trying to find the same one >or two "Unknown Smith" individuals, bookmark them and don't worry about making >up something to make them stand out in the Name list. > --Paula in Texas >Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman >Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field >Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle >Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche >Ryburn >Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams > > > > > >From: Jerry >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >Sent: Tue, February 14, 2012 2:12:23 PM >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use? > >I do something very similar to what James does. When you are going >through a list and you see a bunch of Sallys, blanks or unknowns, it >does not lend itself well to giving you any idea how the person is >related to another person in your tree. So, I would indicate very much >like James and say: > >Surname:Smith >First Name: Given Name ? (Father of John) > >Jerry Boor - MerriamFamilyTree.org > >Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on >our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). >To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use?
Here's my thinking on it, Paula, trying to explain as briefly as possible. Quite often when you go to a genealogy website, the first thing you do is pull up the master person list to check for your possible ancestors. On many websites (if not most), you will see the very top of the list will begin with those that ONLY have first names like a bunch of Andrews, Sarahs, Williams, the word UNKNOWN that lots of people use, etc. The FIRST NAME ONLYs are generally at the very top of the index and they basically tell you nothing meaningful unless there are also columns for the spouse or parents. So, I wanted to provide a possible eye-catching list that always has a FIRST NAME and a SURNAME. Neither of them are ever blank because I use as much information as I have to describe the missing pieces of the puzzle. Whether it will eventually work to get people to respond with the right information, we are not sure yet, but at least it looks more organized and is easier to go through our list. I have at least enough information to know that a complete father or mother, sister or brother's name is missing or, of course, I would leave it completely blank. With that type of system, I can easily filter a list of all my unknown names because a ? always appears in the FIRSTNAME field. You can get a better idea of what I mean by going to our website (username = FullGuest and password = merriam), and sorting on contains ? for the FIRSTNAME field. It depends on what is missing as to where the ? appears, but if the Given Name is missing we use Given Name ? and if the entire name is missing we use Name ?, etc. I know the purists on here think that is horrible, but I'm trying to use the computer database in the most organized way I can with the information I have. I hope that makes a little bit of sense anyway. Sincerely, Jerry Boor - MerriamFamilyTree.org On 02/15/2012 11:43 AM, Paula Ryburn wrote: > Admittedly, I do not use the webpage-generation feature, but if > they're unknown, what's the point of including them as specific > individuals? I guess you must have one piece of information on each > individual that made you decide to add them...? Otherwise, there's > not any value in having the actual Individual record in your > database...? Yes, please do point out the error in my thinking! It > may just be a preference thing. > --Paula in Texas > Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton > Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody > Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale > Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald > Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer > Sullivan Weller Williams > > > ---- > *From:* Jerry > *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > *Sent:* Tue, February 14, 2012 6:04:57 PM > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use? > > Very good pointt, Paula, but on our website we have hundreds of > unknowns, both > > Paula Ryburn <mailto:paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote: > > >Depends on how you do your research. I do mine by family, working > steadily > >backwards, so I rarely use the Name list. > > > >Also, I just last night accidentally discovered I can set more than 3 > bookmarks > >for individuals woo hoo! ;) Legacy is still full of surprises > for me. > > > >I guess what I'm saying is: If you are constantly trying to find the > same one > >or two "Unknown Smith" individuals, bookmark them and don't worry > about making > >up something to make them stand out in the Name list. > > --Paula in Texas > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) > and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Another template issue
Are there any cons to using the abbreviation USA instead of United States? I could do a global replace, I guess, but I started using USA because I thought it was now internationally recognized. I always use Co for County and I do not abbreviate States or Provinces either. --Jerry On 02/17/2012 03:42 PM, Sherry/Support wrote: > I follow Mary Slawson's recommendations of adding "county" only when > the city is unknown. > > Seattle, King, Washington, United States > , King county, Washington, United States > Seattle, , Washington, United States > > > I'm a firm believer in avoiding abbreviations in locations, esp when I > found out someone thought I was from Australia when I signed my email > to a fellow genealogist with a location after my name as: > > Redmond, WA > > There's a Redmond in Western Australia! > > > Geoff worked closed with Elizabeth Shown Mills when creating the > templates and in some cases there were some discrepancies, so the > SourceWriter templates may not always match perfectly..Of course, it > would take her a lot longer to make corrections in her book that it > would for Geoff to correct something in the templates! > > > Thre's a > Sincerely, > Sherry > Technical Support > Legacy Family Tree > > > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Paula Ryburn > wrote: >> Wow, an eye-opener for me. I have not been entering "Co." or "County" ... >> just the county name. >> Does this matter if I'm not going to be really publishing my work? (I know >> you do publish.) >> On the other hand, I find it hard to believe that EE or people who use EE >> would have trouble with those abbreviations...? >> >> --Paula in Texas Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Another template issue
Thanks Sherry! --Jerry On 02/17/2012 05:01 PM, Sherry/Support wrote: > Union of South Africa??? > > I just don't like abbreviations because they're so easily misinterpreted. > > This honestly happened (I was there when I worked in medical > records)... a patient was reviewing his chart and got really irate > because the doctor noted SOB in the chart. Of course, you know what > the patient thought but the doctor meant "Short of Breath" > > Be careful - be *really* careful - when you use abbreviations! > > The LDS church now prefers "United States" for the country name > > In the Master Locaiton List window go to Optons and click on > Expand/Contract Location Parts to change them within the Master > Location List - of course this only works if you have your locations > properly formatted.. > > The > Sincerely, > Sherry > Technical Support > Legacy Family Tree > > > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Jerry wrote: >> Are there any cons to using the abbreviation USA instead of United >> States? I could do a global replace, I guess, but I started using USA >> because I thought it was now internationally recognized. I always use >> Co for County and I do not abbreviate States or Provinces either. --Jerry > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] suggestion I submitted
Yeah, I agree with that also. It would complicate things and make more work for most people to have separate sources, I think. Instead, where there are different sources for the birth date and birth place, could you simply indicate: Source for Date Source for Place or whatever, as part of the detail? I think that would be better than adding a field that many people would consider not needed for most records. --Jerry - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org On 02/20/2012 02:24 PM, Alan Pereira wrote: > I would prefer to apply one or more sources to the whole birth event and not > have to apply them separately to parts of the birth event. > Alan Pereira > > -Original Message- > From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk] > Sent: 20 February 2012 17:06 > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] suggestion I submitted > > On 20/02/2012 13:49, Michele Lewis wrote: >> I just submitted this suggestion. I hope other would want this too. >> >> “I think you should make it where the date of birth and the place of >> birth are separate fields when it comes to sourcing. >> >> Death certificates often give the place of birth for the deceased's >> parents but not the date. >> >> The census records also give a place of birth for the parents but not >> the date. >> >> If you use one of the above as a source for the date of birth/place of >> birth, it appears as though the source named both.†>> > > In an ideal world it would be good, but as I include all the details and/or > the full text in my Sources it is possible to see exactly what is being > Sourced by any particular citation. > > It's quite possible that I will know, from a variety of Sources that someone > was born on ddmmm in Anytown, County, Someland but some of the Sources I > cite might only give the date, or might only give the year, or might only > give the County or might only give the Country. By referring to the wording > of each ciation and any Citation Text I have included I can see precisely > what information came from where. > > -- > Jenny M Benson > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] duplicated emails
I'm sure there is no reason for you to just live with it. There has to be an explanation. But how did you try to stop it? You did not elaborate. There could possibly be something in your settings like send yourself a cc of your messages. But if it is nothing like that, I think I would UN-SUBSCRIBE to the Legacy lists and re-subscribe all over again. But watch for that error that often occurs when you try to click on the URL in Legacy's welcoming email. If there is that pesky embedded space, you might have to copy and paste their entire address into your browser to fully complete your membership in the lists. Jerry - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org On 02/22/2012 11:40 AM, Elizabeth wrote: > Oh, well I can live with it then! Thanks > > On 22 February 2012 16:36, Dennis M. Kowallek wrote: >> On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:18:21 +, Elizabeth >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks - you may just have to live with it! >> >> We don't have to live with it. You do. If you look in the archives >> you'll see that the list is only getting a single copy of your emails. >> Only you are getting an extra copy. >> >> -- >> >> Dennis Kowallek (LTools/Custom Programming) >> http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/index.htm >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools >> >> NOTE TO LUG USERS: Use plain text if you want me to read your post. >> >> >> Legacy User Group guidelines: >> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >> Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >> Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >> Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >> Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on >> our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). >> To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp >> >> > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Trying to enter information that will result in readable reports
I think Ron is in the UK and it is about 5 in the morning there, I think, so you can probably expect him to answer later. But I almost find it hysterical that a census is considered an event in someone's life, despite the fact that many professionals advocate for that. That's sort of like saying a newspaper is an event in someone's life because they might be mentioned in the newspaper, or an obituary is an event in someone's life because, certainly, they are mentioned in the obituary. Clearly, they are sources, not events, and I prefer to use my Merriam-Webster roots to provide the correct definition. LOL! But the other side is, that most users will definitely not want to wade through lots of information about their ancestors that most of us "genealogists" might even have some difficulty deciphering. They want a brief synopsis that tells them the story and most of them, even me, detest wading through endless, not needed, information. So, keep it simple, comes to mind, but I realize most of the ones who disagree on this issue are very smart people, just mis-informed about the dictionary definitions on this subject. Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org On 2/22/2012 10:40 PM, Lea-Anne Davison wrote: > I think I will experient with what has been suggested. I realise > there is no right or wrong way, but how it looks in the report is an > important part for me. I think I will try putting in an event whether > I call in Event or Residence not sure yet with an condensed > description of the family in the census eg John Smith was living with > his wife and children (perhaps name each but keep it short). Then > source the census with the full details in the text field and see how > that looks for the reports. Whether I print it as part of the > citation I will decide after I see how it looks but at least this way > it will only be once at the end of the report and not repeated all > through the report. > Thanks everyone for your thoughts. > Lea-Anne > > On 23 February 2012 13:31, Paula Ryburn wrote: >> Lea-Anne, I do use census events, but I don't have the transcription of the >> entire household in every event. I use a more narrative style and include >> just that person's information. For the couple, I add the event to the >> marriage. In fact, if I have the image, I don't have the transcription >> anywhere, because I can just pull up the image if I need to see something >> and neither the image nor transcriptions add anything to the reports that I >> use. Even on those census sources where I have just transcriptions (have >> yet to obtain an image and see what was entered for myself), I have the >> transcription in the source, but I don't print it as part of the citation >> (entered in the Text field without checking that box). Hope this made >> sense. But as Ron has said "not a recommendation" - just describing how I >> do it in case it can be helpful to you. >> >> Note: if you do end up re-doing events, remember to use the event clipboard >> -- I mention this explicitly because I only very recently learned about this >> feature and it is wonderful, very quick! >> >> --Paula in Texas >> Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman >> Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field >> Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes >> Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts >> Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams >> >> >> >> From: Lea-Anne Davison >> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >> Sent: Wed, February 22, 2012 6:42:45 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Trying to enter information that will result in >> readable reports >> >> Ron >> Yes I do add as a Census Event. I use the census source as a source >> for name and approx date of birth. Correct me if I am wrong, you are >> saying you have a residence event instead of an actual census event, >> which the census is used as the source. Are the names etc entered >> into the source as per Geoff's webinar. If so where are they entered >> and does this then only show as one source at the end of the report >> Lea-Anne >> >> On 23 February 2012 10:35, Ron Ferguson wrote: >>> Lea-Anne, >>> >>> Am I right in thinking that you have a Census Event? If so this is one of >>> the reasons why I don't, and why I only use a census as a Source for eg. >>> name, occupations, residences etc. >>> >>> Ron Ferguson >>> http://www.fergys.co.u
Re: [LegacyUG] Trying to enter information that will result in readable reports
Yeah, I understand and don't mean to be dogmatic about it. But I do think that your reports might come out better by treating events as sources, rather than events. Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org On 2/22/2012 11:18 PM, Lea-Anne Davison wrote: > I think I am on the fence with the source vs event debate and > certainly it wasn't my intention to start it up again. All I want is > a way for the report to be easy to read and not have endless > repetitions of the event that I put in, at this point - census.I > will take the time to experiment and come up something that suits me. > Lea-Anne > > On 23 February 2012 14:09, Jerry wrote: >> I think Ron is in the UK and it is about 5 in the morning there, I >> think, so you can probably expect him to answer later. But I almost >> find it hysterical that a census is considered an event in someone's >> life, despite the fact that many professionals advocate for that. >> That's sort of like saying a newspaper is an event in someone's life >> because they might be mentioned in the newspaper, or an obituary is an >> event in someone's life because, certainly, they are mentioned in the >> obituary. Clearly, they are sources, not events, and I prefer to use my >> Merriam-Webster roots to provide the correct definition. LOL! >> >> But the other side is, that most users will definitely not want to wade >> through lots of information about their ancestors that most of us >> "genealogists" might even have some difficulty deciphering. They want a >> brief synopsis that tells them the story and most of them, even me, >> detest wading through endless, not needed, information. So, keep it >> simple, comes to mind, but I realize most of the ones who disagree on >> this issue are very smart people, just mis-informed about the dictionary >> definitions on this subject. >> >> Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org >> >> On 2/22/2012 10:40 PM, Lea-Anne Davison wrote: >>> I think I will experient with what has been suggested. I realise >>> there is no right or wrong way, but how it looks in the report is an >>> important part for me. I think I will try putting in an event whether >>> I call in Event or Residence not sure yet with an condensed >>> description of the family in the census eg John Smith was living with >>> his wife and children (perhaps name each but keep it short). Then >>> source the census with the full details in the text field and see how >>> that looks for the reports. Whether I print it as part of the >>> citation I will decide after I see how it looks but at least this way >>> it will only be once at the end of the report and not repeated all >>> through the report. >>> Thanks everyone for your thoughts. >>> Lea-Anne >>> >>> On 23 February 2012 13:31, Paula Ryburn >>> wrote: >>>> Lea-Anne, I do use census events, but I don't have the transcription of >>>> the >>>> entire household in every event. I use a more narrative style and include >>>> just that person's information. For the couple, I add the event to the >>>> marriage. In fact, if I have the image, I don't have the transcription >>>> anywhere, because I can just pull up the image if I need to see something >>>> and neither the image nor transcriptions add anything to the reports that I >>>> use. Even on those census sources where I have just transcriptions (have >>>> yet to obtain an image and see what was entered for myself), I have the >>>> transcription in the source, but I don't print it as part of the citation >>>> (entered in the Text field without checking that box). Hope this made >>>> sense. But as Ron has said "not a recommendation" - just describing how I >>>> do it in case it can be helpful to you. >>>> >>>> Note: if you do end up re-doing events, remember to use the event clipboard >>>> -- I mention this explicitly because I only very recently learned about >>>> this >>>> feature and it is wonderful, very quick! >>>> >>>> --Paula in Texas >>>> Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman >>>> Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline >>>> Field >>>> Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes >>>> Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts >>>> Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sulli
Re: [LegacyUG] Trying to enter information that will result in readable reports
Sorry, I meant to say ...better by treating a census as a source, rather than as an event... Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org On 2/22/2012 11:33 PM, Jerry wrote: > Yeah, I understand and don't mean to be dogmatic about it. But I do > think that your reports might come out better by treating events as > sources, rather than events. > > Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org > > On 2/22/2012 11:18 PM, Lea-Anne Davison wrote: >> I think I am on the fence with the source vs event debate and >> certainly it wasn't my intention to start it up again. All I want is >> a way for the report to be easy to read and not have endless >> repetitions of the event that I put in, at this point - census.I >> will take the time to experiment and come up something that suits me. >> Lea-Anne >> >> On 23 February 2012 14:09, Jerry wrote: >>> I think Ron is in the UK and it is about 5 in the morning there, I >>> think, so you can probably expect him to answer later. But I almost >>> find it hysterical that a census is considered an event in someone's >>> life, despite the fact that many professionals advocate for that. >>> That's sort of like saying a newspaper is an event in someone's life >>> because they might be mentioned in the newspaper, or an obituary is an >>> event in someone's life because, certainly, they are mentioned in the >>> obituary. Clearly, they are sources, not events, and I prefer to use my >>> Merriam-Webster roots to provide the correct definition. LOL! >>> >>> But the other side is, that most users will definitely not want to wade >>> through lots of information about their ancestors that most of us >>> "genealogists" might even have some difficulty deciphering. They want a >>> brief synopsis that tells them the story and most of them, even me, >>> detest wading through endless, not needed, information. So, keep it >>> simple, comes to mind, but I realize most of the ones who disagree on >>> this issue are very smart people, just mis-informed about the dictionary >>> definitions on this subject. >>> >>> Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org >>> >>> On 2/22/2012 10:40 PM, Lea-Anne Davison wrote: >>>> I think I will experient with what has been suggested. I realise >>>> there is no right or wrong way, but how it looks in the report is an >>>> important part for me. I think I will try putting in an event whether >>>> I call in Event or Residence not sure yet with an condensed >>>> description of the family in the census eg John Smith was living with >>>> his wife and children (perhaps name each but keep it short). Then >>>> source the census with the full details in the text field and see how >>>> that looks for the reports. Whether I print it as part of the >>>> citation I will decide after I see how it looks but at least this way >>>> it will only be once at the end of the report and not repeated all >>>> through the report. >>>> Thanks everyone for your thoughts. >>>> Lea-Anne >>>> >>>> On 23 February 2012 13:31, Paula Ryburn >>>> wrote: >>>>> Lea-Anne, I do use census events, but I don't have the transcription of >>>>> the >>>>> entire household in every event. I use a more narrative style and include >>>>> just that person's information. For the couple, I add the event to the >>>>> marriage. In fact, if I have the image, I don't have the transcription >>>>> anywhere, because I can just pull up the image if I need to see something >>>>> and neither the image nor transcriptions add anything to the reports that >>>>> I >>>>> use. Even on those census sources where I have just transcriptions (have >>>>> yet to obtain an image and see what was entered for myself), I have the >>>>> transcription in the source, but I don't print it as part of the citation >>>>> (entered in the Text field without checking that box). Hope this made >>>>> sense. But as Ron has said "not a recommendation" - just describing how I >>>>> do it in case it can be helpful to you. >>>>> >>>>> Note: if you do end up re-doing events, remember to use the event >>>>> clipboard >>>>> -- I mention this explicitly because I only very recently learned about >>>>> this >>>>> feature and it is wonderful, very quick!
Re: [LegacyUG] Trying to enter information that will result in readable reports
Yeah, you are right about that. I forgot it also said FACTS. --Jerry On 02/23/2012 05:41 AM, Jenny M Benson wrote: > On 23/02/2012 04:09, Jerry wrote: >>But I almost >> find it hysterical that a census is considered an event in someone's >> life, despite the fact that many professionals advocate for that. >> That's sort of like saying a newspaper is an event in someone's life >> because they might be mentioned in the newspaper, or an obituary is an >> event in someone's life because, certainly, they are mentioned in the >> obituary. > > Let us not forget that the lower section of an Individual's Information > screen is labelled Events/Facts. The FACT that someone appeared on a > Census or in a newspaper article or had an obituary written about them > may perfectly reasonably be entered there *if anyone chooses to do so*. > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] maps?
John, those are some good suggestions, many of which I have not used precisely as you do. But I have never found a problem using the entire name of the State or Province with mine. I never use the abbreviations for the States or Provinces. I do use USA, however, and have thought about changing it to United States eventually, but there again, never had a problem that way. Maybe because I always use the standard four positions and include Co for County. --Jerry On 02/24/2012 03:39 PM, John B. Lisle wrote: > Michele, > > I geocode locations from all over the world every > day with Legacy and know how frustrating it can be. > > Let me share with you a few things I have learned and how I do it. > > 1/ If you add US, USA, etc. it can confuse Bing. > I think Legacy now strips that off before it > sends the location to Bing to geocode. > > 2/ If you write out the State, it will get more > confused than if you use the Postal code for the > state; eg, better to geocode TX vs. Texas. > > 3/ If the state has a city/town by the same name > as the county, it will almost always find the > city, even if you wanted the county. Putting > "Co." or "County" after a county name will help > it understand what is a county. If I have the > name of the town, I just enter it without the county. > > 4/ Bing will find a location differently > depending on where the map is placed when it goes > looking. EG, I have had it fail miserably to find > a location when map was far away from location, > but when location is in the view, it finds it precisely. > > 5/ Bing will USUALLY not find townships. > > 6/ Clean up the naming of the location after you > have let Bing find the location. If you let Bing > re-place the pin after you have cleaned up the > location name, Bing may recode it elsewhere; > usually this happens when the county name is same as a city/town name. > > My process is to enter a new location with the > minimum of information and let Bing try to do its > thing. Then I edit the location with the old > Geocode database and let that try to get the name expanded properly. > > --> I have significantly edited the > GeoCode-xxx.txt files to get the Geocode database > to format the names to my naming standards. > > I compare the location coordinate found from old > Geocode with Bing to see that they seem to agree. > The old Geocode results are not as precise as > Bing, but it will find places that Bing gets wrong. > > For coding at Country/State/Province/etc. level, I code to the capital. > > I use Wikipedia extensively to figure out county > seats and townships. I code county level > locations at the county seat and townships at the > major town. I code cemeteries at the cemetery > when I can find the location. (FindaGrave is very helpful with that.) > > I like to enter historical locations which are > often NOT in any GeoCode database so I need to > find where the location is now and manually place the pin where it needs to > be. > > These systems are smart, but not smart enough. ;-) > > I go to this trouble because mapping is important > to me, and I export the geocodes to my web > publishing tool which does extensive mapping of the events for each person. > > ok? > > john. > > > At 09:17 AM 2/24/2012, Michele Lewis wrote: >> You put in >> >> , Marion, Mississippi, USA >> >> And let Legacy geo code and it got it right? >> >> Michele >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] >> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:10 AM >> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] maps? >> >> Michele, >> >> Just out of interest I entered into Legacy >> myself, did nothing else, looked at the map, and it was in Mississippi. >> >> Ron Ferguson >> http://www.ferguson.go.uk >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Michele Lewis >> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:52 PM >> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] maps? >> >> I am talking about the ones where Legacy geo >> codes them. I did not put the coordinates in manually. Here is an example, >> >> , Marion, Mississippi, USA >> >> Shows up just north of Memphis, Tennessee. >> >> Even if I tell it to re geo code it still codes it for Tennessee. >> >> >> Michele >> >> >> >> >> From: Robert E. Carneal [mailto:kentuckygenealog...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 8:28 AM >> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] maps? >> >
Re: [LegacyUG] duplicated emails
Hi Elizabeth. Sorry, if I didn't notice, but do you read your email directly on the GMail website or with a client-based product? If you use a client-based product such as Thunderbird, Outlook, etc., you can set your email up as IMAP or POP. Basically, if you use POP, you will not have the ALL MAIL folder that some of the users are talking about. Only the IMAP protocol will give that to you, and IMAP is designed to sync all your client-based folders with GMail's website. But I would not be afraid to UN-SUBSCRIBE and then RE-SUBSCRIBE, if necessary to get rid of that duplication problem. If you have that other pesky problem when re-subscribing, I believe I can show you exactly what to do to resolve it, 9 times out of 10 or better, without having to contact support. Jerry - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org On 02/25/2012 11:03 AM, Michele Lewis wrote: > I set up my gmail in Outlook. I don't have an All Mail folder. You can > customize the folders on the server so that on your computer you have the > "normal" configuration. I have an inbox and a sent folder but no all mail. > > michele > > -Original Message- > From: Ronald Bernier [mailto:ronaldbern...@bernfrin.org] > Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 10:48 AM > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] duplicated emails > > Elizabeth, > > It is makes no difference if you have the "fancier" version (Google Apps) or > the standard gmail account. You do not actually have two copies of your > email. Don't forget, Google mail does not support true folders. When you > say you have a copy in your sent mail - "sent mail" is strictly a label, not > a folder. If you look at your Google "folders", you will see that no matter > what label an email has -i.e. "Inbox" "Legacy" (a label that I created), > "Sent Mail", etc, you will see a copy in that designated "folder", but you > will also see a copy in the "All Mail" folder. Again, you do not actually > have two copies of the email. You have one copy with two labels. > > Ron Bernier > > -Original Message- > From: Elizabeth [mailto:roobee...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 9:50 AM > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] duplicated emails > > I have the 'fancier' version but I think it happened before. I daren't > unsubscribe and re-subscribe as both took several attempts last time I tried!! > > On 24 February 2012 17:53, Marg Strong wrote: >> My gmail account does put sent mail into a sent folder, but it is the >> classic version. They are offering a switch to a "fancier" version >> which I've declined, but they warn that the time is coming when we >> will all have to switch. I wonder if the problem is with the updated version? >> Peggy >> >> >> From: Brian/Support >> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 12:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] duplicated emails >> >> Elizabeth, >> >> I "think" what you are seeing as the second copy is the one in your >> sent mail plus the returned email from the list when it distributes >> your message. Most email programs put sent mail into a separate folder >> so it does not show in the inbox. Gmail does not seem to segregate >> sent and incoming messages. >> >> Brian >> Customer Support >> Millennia Corporation >> br...@legacyfamilytree.com >> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com >> >> We are changing the world of genealogy! >> When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. >> Thanks. >> >> On 22/02/2012 11:40 AM, Elizabeth wrote: >>> Oh, well I can live with it then! Thanks >>> >>> On 22 February 2012 16:36, Dennis M. Kowallek wrote: >>>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:18:21 +, Elizabeth >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks - you may just have to live with it! >>>> >>>> We don't have to live with it. You do. If you look in the archives >>>> you'll see that the list is only getting a single copy of your emails. >>>> Only you are getting an extra copy. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Dennis Kowallek (LTools/Custom Programming) >>>> http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/index.htm >>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools >>>> >>>> NOTE TO LUG USERS: Use plain text if you want me to read your post. >>>> >>>> >>>> Legacy User
Re: [LegacyUG] Dates in CSV file
What version of Excel are you using? The newest versions will alow you to format dates with 4 digits for the year. Highlight or select the entire column, go to Format cells, select the number tab, select Date and then select the specific format you want. I hope this helps. Jerry "M. Brenzel" wrote: >I have created a CSV file from the Name List containing Surname/Given Name, >Living Indicator, Birth Date, and Death Date. When I look at the file in >Notepad, the dates look good. But when I open it in Excel, some of the >dates are formatted differently than most of the others. > >For example, the date 1 Sep 1913 in Legacy looks the same in Notepad but in >Excel, it is displayed as 1-Sep-13. When I look at the table in Access >(tblIR), the dates look different than those that are correct. > >Does anyone have an idea why the dates are "messed up" for some people but >not others? And is there an easy way to fix them? > >Thanks, >Mary > > > > > > > > >Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on >our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). >To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields
John, if sorting your place names by CITY, COUNTY, STATE, COUNTRY or anything else is ever important to you, you probably have to standardize your place name divisions in some manner. I would suggest doing some simple, very small test files and experiment to get your desired results. Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org On 3/8/2012 3:16 PM, Wendy Howard wrote: > Hi John, > > Ignore the 4-field convention and use as many as you need for each location. > > According to the Help (Adding or Editing Locations) your restriction is > 255 characters. > > This has been discussed many times before, you may like to check the > archives for other input on the topic, and I'm sure others will post too > once they've seen your message. :-) > > Kind Regards, > Wendy > > John Magyari said the following on 9/03/2012 8:35 a.m.: >> Typically for US locations i have 4 FIELDS >> City, County, State, Country >> >> How do others handle European Countries? > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields
I don't agree that just because you have a space between two commas, it has to imply that something is missing. Sure it can be, but for those of us who want a very organized approach, it just makes sense because it does allow one to sort by the various divisions, whenever they apply. If you can truly do that with a right to left sort without regard to how many divisions are used, can someone provide some concrete examples on a website or a snippet of your Legacy code off-line or something? I really don't mean to be hard-headed on this, but I've so far not seen sorting work so well without the standard divisions. Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org On 03/11/2012 08:52 AM, Jenny M Benson wrote: > On 11/03/2012 12:07, John Magyari wrote: >> Thanks for everyone's ideas. >> Some of my Polish time periods use 4 some 5 positions >> >> I decided to force all 5 location positions into 4. Having same number >> of fields helps with sorting. >> >> Ideally if would be nice to specify Number of locations field MAX. >> Then if entered with less fields specify which fields to become null. >> ie. MaxPositions = 5, LessPositionOrder if less 2,3if less than MAX >> ie For Me for Poland >> city, administration, county, state, country (1,2,3,4,5) >> If less fields entered enter Nulls >> city, county, state, country (Null 1 field - admin) >> city, state, country (Null other 2 fields -admin, county) >> city, state (Null other 3 fields) >> state (Null other 4 fields) >> >> >> I will use 4 fields, and in the process converted all locations with >> fewer positions to 4 position system. > > Surely the aim should always be to enter *accurate* information and you > are not doing that. > > If you are "forcing" 5 elements into 4, are you implying that, there is > a place called "Village Town", when in fact it is a place called > "Village" with a place called "Town"? And if you make a 3-element > location fit 4 fields, you are presumably adding an extra comma > somewhere which inevitably implies that there is a missing element, but > in your case there isn't! > > Because I include complete addresses in the location field, I have > anywhere from 1 element (only know the country) to 6 or 7 elements in a > location. If I want to see them grouped together I sort them from right > to left. It's not a problem. > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields
I'm trying to understand that thinking, Mary. But how could that work if, for example, you had the following? Detroit, Michigan, United States Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan, United States Michigan, United States 123 Apple Street, Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan, United States Wayne County, Michigan, United States Roosevelt Cemetery, 195 Sunset Blvd, London, England You would be ok with United States and England as COUNTRIES, but then moving left, it looks like you would have dissimilar entities together like: SECOND DIVISION FROM RIGHT: Michigan Michigan Michigan Michigan Michigan London THIRD DIVISION FROM RIGHT: Detroit Wayne County (blank) Wayne County Wayne County 195 Sunset Blvd FOURTH DIVISION FROM RIGHT: (blank) Detroit (blank) Detroit Roosevelt Cemetery FIFTH DIVISION FROM RIGHT: (blank) (blank) (blank) 123 Apple Street (blank) So, what part of this am I not understanding, if so? Thanks, Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org On 03/11/2012 11:56 AM, M. Brenzel wrote: > If you sort your location list right to left, they will sort properly, > even with different numbers of fields. > > Mary > > *From:*John Magyari [mailto:jmagy...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:08 AM > *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields > vs 4 Fields > > Thanks for everyone's ideas. > Some of my Polish time periods use 4 some 5 positions > > I decided to force all 5 location positions into 4. Having same number > of fields helps with sorting. > > Ideally if would be nice to specify Number of locations field MAX. Then > if entered with less fields specify which fields to become null. > ie. MaxPositions = 5, LessPositionOrder if less 2,3if less than MAX > ie For Me for Poland > city, administration, county, state, country (1,2,3,4,5) > If less fields entered enter Nulls > city, county, state, country (Null 1 field - admin) > city, state, country (Null other 2 fields -admin, county) > city, state (Null other 3 fields) > state (Null other 4 fields) > > > I will use 4 fields, and in the process converted all locations with > fewer positions to 4 position system. > > john > > > > > > > > On 3/11/2012 4:04 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote: > > John, > >  > > By all means use the American four field standard for American > locations, but for other countries use their own formats, normally the > way in which they are written. > >  > > Ron Ferguson > > http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > >  > >  > > *From:*John Magyari <mailto:jmagy...@gmail.com> > > *Sent:*Thursday, March 08, 2012 7:35 PM > > *To:*LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com> > > *Subject:*[LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 > Fields > >  > > Typically for US locations i have 4 FIELDS > City, County, State, Country > > How do others handle European Countries? > > For example I have a village in Poland Area > > 1900's part of Austria Hungary > > Village, District, Province, Country 4 FIELDS > Lipowiec, Sanok District, Galicia Province, Austria-Hungary > > Same place in 1940's 4 FIELDS > Lipowiec, Sanok District, Krosno Voivodeship, Poland > > Almost all places in Current Day Poland 1950's through today *5 FIELDS > City, Gmina, County, Voivodeship, COUNTRY > Lipowiec, Dukla Gmina, Krosno County , > Subcarpathian Voivodeship , > Poland > > and since 2012 *5 Fields > Lipowiec, Jasliska Gmina, Krosno County > , Subcarpathian Voivodeship > , Poland > > When some locations ideally be 5 FIELDS, do you go back and update those > with 4 Fields? > > With some having 4 some having 5 it's also harder sorting and then > viewing similar towns over time periods. > > thanks, > john magyari > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and > on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov.
Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields
Hi Ron. I guess it will never be settled unless they come up with some kind of standard that works for all of us. To me it is ugly to have dis-similar entities sort with each other, but I was hopeful that someone who uses the right to left method would tell me how I could still sort correctly and use the varied system. As far as I can tell, it is not possible, so I can very easily live with the extra commas to create the kind of "like" sorting that I am committed to seeing. Forcing Europe into the "standard" four positions - simply works and works well. I'm sorry you are offended by it. For Europe, for example, I never have a division immediately next to England, for example, because I know you never use STATES or PROVINCES and I have reserved the THIRD division from the left for STATES or PROVINCES. Like I say, it simply works and I haven't seen anything that works better, but if you could show me how, I would change. Sorry, I'm just going to let it rest unless a new person asks the question again and then I'll try to contact them off-line. Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org On 03/11/2012 06:20 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote: > Jerry, > > If a blank between two commas doesn't signify that something is missing, > then it signifies nothing at all. In which case, as you say, it is simply > there to force a correct location into an incorrect location just to make > something look pretty. Frankly I find such constructs both confusing to > those unfamiliar with the location, and anything but pretty - I think that > they are ugly. > > Ron Ferguson > http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > > Ron Ferguson > http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > > -Original Message- > From: Jerry > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 9:31 PM > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 > Fields > > I don't agree that just because you have a space between two commas, it > has to imply that something is missing. Sure it can be, but for those > of us who want a very organized approach, it just makes sense because it > does allow one to sort by the various divisions, whenever they apply. > > If you can truly do that with a right to left sort without regard to how > many divisions are used, can someone provide some concrete examples on a > website or a snippet of your Legacy code off-line or something? I > really don't mean to be hard-headed on this, but I've so far not seen > sorting work so well without the standard divisions. > > Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org > > On 03/11/2012 08:52 AM, Jenny M Benson wrote: >> On 11/03/2012 12:07, John Magyari wrote: >>> Thanks for everyone's ideas. >>> Some of my Polish time periods use 4 some 5 positions >>> >>> I decided to force all 5 location positions into 4. >>> Having same >>> number >>> of fields helps with sorting. >>> >>> Ideally if would be nice to specify Number of locations field >>> MAX. >>> Then if entered with less fields specify which fields to become null. >>> ie. MaxPositions = 5, LessPositionOrder if less >>> 2,3if less than MAX >>> ie For Me for Poland >>> city, administration, county, state, country (1,2,3,4,5) >>> If less fields entered enter Nulls >>> city, county, state, country (Null 1 field - admin) >>> city, state, country (Null other 2 fields -admin, county) >>> city, state (Null other 3 fields) >>> state (Null other 4 fields) >>> >>> >>> I will use 4 fields, and in the process converted all locations with >>> fewer positions to 4 position system. >> >> Surely the aim should always be to enter *accurate* information and you >> are not doing that. >> >> If you are "forcing" 5 elements into 4, are you implying that, there is >> a place called "Village Town", when in fact it is a place called >> "Village" with a place called "Town"? And if you make a 3-element >> location fit 4 fields, you are presumably adding an extra comma >> somewhere which inevitably implies that there is a missing element, but >> in your case there isn't! >> >> Because I include complete addresses in the location field, I have >> anywhere from 1 element (only know the country) to 6 or 7 elements in a >> location. If I want to see them grouped together I sort them from right >> to left. It's not a problem. >> > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyT
Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields
Not sure what you are looking for, but actually my website does use a right to left sort automatically because it starts with the COUNTRY, then goes to the STATES or PROVINCES, then to the COUNTIES, then to the CITIES or VILLAGES. And Legacy can sort many ways by user choice, as you know. In your example below, my system would interpret Eccles as a STATE or PROVINCE, but England has none, right? Or, if you are showing it as RIGHT to LEFT, then Lancashire would be a STATE or PROVINCE in my system, but it is equivalent to a COUNTY, right? Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org On 03/11/2012 06:15 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote: > Jerry and John, > > Perhaps one of you would be kind enough to explain the difference, in the > context of searching, of the following two searches: > > England, Lancashire, Eccles, Winton > > and > > England, Lancashire, ,Winton > > Ron Ferguson > http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > > -Original Message- > From: Jerry > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 9:56 PM > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 > Fields > > I'm trying to understand that thinking, Mary. But how could that work > if, for example, you had the following? > > Detroit, Michigan, United States > Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan, United States > Michigan, United States > 123 Apple Street, Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan, United States > Wayne County, Michigan, United States > Roosevelt Cemetery, 195 Sunset Blvd, London, England > > You would be ok with United States and England as COUNTRIES, but then > moving left, it looks like you would have dissimilar entities together like: > > SECOND DIVISION FROM RIGHT: > Michigan > Michigan > Michigan > Michigan > Michigan > London > > THIRD DIVISION FROM RIGHT: > Detroit > Wayne County > (blank) > Wayne County > Wayne County > 195 Sunset Blvd > > FOURTH DIVISION FROM RIGHT: > (blank) > Detroit > (blank) > Detroit > Roosevelt Cemetery > > FIFTH DIVISION FROM RIGHT: > (blank) > (blank) > (blank) > 123 Apple Street > (blank) > > So, what part of this am I not understanding, if so? > > Thanks, > Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org > > On 03/11/2012 11:56 AM, M. Brenzel wrote: >> If you sort your location list right to left, they will sort properly, >> even with different numbers of fields. >> >> Mary >> >> *From:*John Magyari [mailto:jmagy...@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:08 AM >> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields >> vs 4 Fields >> >> Thanks for everyone's ideas. >> Some of my Polish time periods use 4 some 5 positions >> >> I decided to force all 5 location positions into 4. Having same >> number >> of fields helps with sorting. >> >> Ideally if would be nice to specify Number of locations field >> MAX. Then >> if entered with less fields specify which fields to become null. >> ie. MaxPositions = 5, LessPositionOrder if less 2,3if less than >> MAX >> ie For Me for Poland >> city, administration, county, state, country (1,2,3,4,5) >> If less fields entered enter Nulls >> city, county, state, country (Null 1 field - admin) >> city, state, country (Null other 2 fields -admin, county) >> city, state (Null other 3 fields) >> state (Null other 4 fields) >> >> >> I will use 4 fields, and in the process converted all locations with >> fewer positions to 4 position system. >> >> john >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 3/11/2012 4:04 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote: >> >> John, >> >>  >> >> By all means use the American four field standard for American >> locations, but for other countries use their own formats, normally the >> way in which they are written. >> >>  >> >> Ron Ferguson >> >> http://www.fergys.co.uk/ >> >>  >> >>  >> >> *From:*John Magyari<mailto:jmagy...@gmail.com> >> >> *Sent:*Thursday, March 08, 2012 7:35 PM >> >> *To:*LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >> <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com> >> >> *Subject:*[LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 >> Fields >> >>  >> >> Typically for US locations i have 4 FIELDS >> City, County, State, Country >> >> How do others handle European Countries? >> >> F
Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields
As far as I know, the way I enter my place names should not give any genealogists in England any problems finding the locations. I find them just fine most of the time with Google or Bing maps and I don't know the locations, of course, as well as you. But looks like I'm doing Lancashire right. In the dictionaries over here, equivalent and is can be interpreted as the same. To each his own, Ron. I know I won't change your mind and I won't change mine without some concrete examples of how things sort properly without a standard. Enough said... Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org On 03/11/2012 07:42 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote: > Jerry, > > My objection, and that of many other British genealogists, is that forcing > out locations to fit a foreign convention gives an inaccurate location. Many > of the leading genealogists over here are finding that they are having to > spend far too much time trying to influence companies and societies, > particularly in the States, to use correct locations which are neither > inaccurate nor give an inaccurate impression. > > You are correct in that we do not have states nor provinces (except arguably > Northern Ireland). Lancashire is not equivalent to anything, least of all > equivalent to a county, it *is* a county, indeed, it is a County Palatine. > > Ron Ferguson > http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > > -Original Message- > From: Jerry > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 11:01 PM > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 > Fields > > Not sure what you are looking for, but actually my website does use a > right to left sort automatically because it starts with the COUNTRY, > then goes to the STATES or PROVINCES, then to the COUNTIES, then to the > CITIES or VILLAGES. And Legacy can sort many ways by user choice, as you > know. > > In your example below, my system would interpret Eccles as a STATE or > PROVINCE, but England has none, right? Or, if you are showing it as > RIGHT to LEFT, then Lancashire would be a STATE or PROVINCE in my > system, but it is equivalent to a COUNTY, right? > > Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org > > On 03/11/2012 06:15 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote: >> Jerry and John, >> >> Perhaps one of you would be kind enough to explain the difference, in the >> context of searching, of the following two searches: >> >> England, Lancashire, Eccles, Winton >> >> and >> >> England, Lancashire, ,Winton >> >> Ron Ferguson >> http://www.fergys.co.uk/ >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Jerry >> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 9:56 PM >> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 >> Fields >> >> I'm trying to understand that thinking, Mary. But how could that work >> if, for example, you had the following? >> >> Detroit, Michigan, United States >> Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan, United States >> Michigan, United States >> 123 Apple Street, Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan, United States >> Wayne County, Michigan, United States >> Roosevelt Cemetery, 195 Sunset Blvd, London, England >> >> You would be ok with United States and England as COUNTRIES, but then >> moving left, it looks like you would have dissimilar entities together >> like: >> >> SECOND DIVISION FROM RIGHT: >> Michigan >> Michigan >> Michigan >> Michigan >> Michigan >> London >> >> THIRD DIVISION FROM RIGHT: >> Detroit >> Wayne County >> (blank) >> Wayne County >> Wayne County >> 195 Sunset Blvd >> >> FOURTH DIVISION FROM RIGHT: >> (blank) >> Detroit >> (blank) >> Detroit >> Roosevelt Cemetery >> >> FIFTH DIVISION FROM RIGHT: >> (blank) >> (blank) >> (blank) >> 123 Apple Street >> (blank) >> >> So, what part of this am I not understanding, if so? >> >> Thanks, >> Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org >> >> On 03/11/2012 11:56 AM, M. Brenzel wrote: >>> If you sort your location list right to left, they will sort properly, >>> even with different numbers of fields. >>> >>> Mary >>> >>> *From:*John Magyari [mailto:jmagy...@gmail.com] >>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:08 AM >>> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields >>> vs 4 Fields >>> >>> Thanks for everyone's ideas. >>> Some of my Polish
Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields
Hi again Mary. I think you are misunderstanding the whole sorting system in terms of how most websites do the sorting. It is not simply a matter of whether you go from the left to right or right to left, it is how the sorting schemes deal with each division. If you want to see where I'm coming from, I welcome you to go to our website at http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org (enter FullGuest as username and merriam as password). Then go to the Places menu where you will that when you click on COUNTRY, then you next can see all the STATES and PROVINCES together in a list, then drill down to COUNTIES, and then to CITIES. This is the way most websites are set up to do sorting and you can't do that without regard to how many divisions you use. I hope you will go take a look and then I think you will know exactly where I'm coming from, even if you don't think it is necessary. Regards, Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org On 03/11/2012 07:31 PM, M. Brenzel wrote: > It doesn't matter how many fields you have in your locations. Sorting right > to left puts the largest entity first, whatever that may be. > > I believe that your location examples below somehow got messed up in your > message. You have multiple occurrences of Michigan and United States in your > locations. > > Sorting what I believe you have below from right to left would be as follows: > > England, London, 195 Sunset Blvd., Roosevelt Cemetery > United States, Michigan, Detroit > United States, Michigan, Wayne County, Detroit > United States, Michigan, Wayne County, Detroit, 123 Apple Street > > I don't know why you would have Detroit listed twice, once with Wayne County > and once without it. > > But sorting this way, all of the locations in Detroit, Wayne County, > Michigan, United States (with or without street numbers and names, cemetery > names, or anything else) will appear together in the Location List. > > It's really a very easy concept. Try it! You might like it! You can always > change it back if you don't like it. Keep in mind, this sorting is just for > the display of the Master Location List, not how the locations are displayed > in context. > > Mary > > -Original Message- > From: Jerry [mailto:jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 5:57 PM > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 > Fields > > I'm trying to understand that thinking, Mary. But how could that work if, > for example, you had the following? > > Detroit, Michigan, United States > Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan, United States Michigan, United States > 123 Apple Street, Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan, United States Wayne > County, Michigan, United States Roosevelt Cemetery, 195 Sunset Blvd, London, > England > > You would be ok with United States and England as COUNTRIES, but then moving > left, it looks like you would have dissimilar entities together like: > > SECOND DIVISION FROM RIGHT: > Michigan > Michigan > Michigan > Michigan > Michigan > London > > THIRD DIVISION FROM RIGHT: > Detroit > Wayne County > (blank) > Wayne County > Wayne County > 195 Sunset Blvd > > FOURTH DIVISION FROM RIGHT: > (blank) > Detroit > (blank) > Detroit > Roosevelt Cemetery > > FIFTH DIVISION FROM RIGHT: > (blank) > (blank) > (blank) > 123 Apple Street > (blank) > > So, what part of this am I not understanding, if so? > > Thanks, > Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org > > On 03/11/2012 11:56 AM, M. Brenzel wrote: >> If you sort your location list right to left, they will sort properly, >> even with different numbers of fields. >> >> Mary >> >> *From:*John Magyari [mailto:jmagy...@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:08 AM >> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields >> vs 4 Fields >> >> Thanks for everyone's ideas. >> Some of my Polish time periods use 4 some 5 positions >> >> I decided to force all 5 location positions into 4. Having same >> number of fields helps with sorting. >> >> Ideally if would be nice to specify Number of locations field MAX. >> Then if entered with less fields specify which fields to become null. >> ie. MaxPositions = 5, LessPositionOrder if less 2,3if less than MAX >> ie For Me for Poland city, administration, county, state, country >> (1,2,3,4,5) If less fields entered enter Nulls city, county, state, >> country (Null 1 field - admin) city, state, country (Null other 2 >> fields -admin, county) city,
Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields
Sorry, I stated STATES and PROVINCES, but the provinces will be in their own list when clicking on CANADA, since they have PROVINCES and the United States does not.Jerry On 03/11/2012 07:56 PM, Jerry wrote: > Hi again Mary. I think you are misunderstanding the whole sorting > system in terms of how most websites do the sorting. It is not simply a > matter of whether you go from the left to right or right to left, it is > how the sorting schemes deal with each division. If you want to see > where I'm coming from, I welcome you to go to our website at > http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org (enter FullGuest as username and > merriam as password). Then go to the Places menu where you will that > when you click on COUNTRY, then you next can see all the STATES and > PROVINCES together in a list, then drill down to COUNTIES, and then to > CITIES. This is the way most websites are set up to do sorting and you > can't do that without regard to how many divisions you use. I hope you > will go take a look and then I think you will know exactly where I'm > coming from, even if you don't think it is necessary. > > Regards, > Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org > > On 03/11/2012 07:31 PM, M. Brenzel wrote: >> It doesn't matter how many fields you have in your locations. Sorting right >> to left puts the largest entity first, whatever that may be. >> >> I believe that your location examples below somehow got messed up in your >> message. You have multiple occurrences of Michigan and United States in >> your locations. >> >> Sorting what I believe you have below from right to left would be as follows: >> >> England, London, 195 Sunset Blvd., Roosevelt Cemetery >> United States, Michigan, Detroit >> United States, Michigan, Wayne County, Detroit >> United States, Michigan, Wayne County, Detroit, 123 Apple Street >> >> I don't know why you would have Detroit listed twice, once with Wayne County >> and once without it. >> >> But sorting this way, all of the locations in Detroit, Wayne County, >> Michigan, United States (with or without street numbers and names, cemetery >> names, or anything else) will appear together in the Location List. >> >> It's really a very easy concept. Try it! You might like it! You can >> always change it back if you don't like it. Keep in mind, this sorting is >> just for the display of the Master Location List, not how the locations are >> displayed in context. >> >> Mary >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Jerry [mailto:jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 5:57 PM >> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 >> Fields >> >> I'm trying to understand that thinking, Mary. But how could that work if, >> for example, you had the following? >> >> Detroit, Michigan, United States >> Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan, United States Michigan, United States >> 123 Apple Street, Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan, United States Wayne >> County, Michigan, United States Roosevelt Cemetery, 195 Sunset Blvd, London, >> England >> >> You would be ok with United States and England as COUNTRIES, but then moving >> left, it looks like you would have dissimilar entities together like: >> >> SECOND DIVISION FROM RIGHT: >> Michigan >> Michigan >> Michigan >> Michigan >> Michigan >> London >> >> THIRD DIVISION FROM RIGHT: >> Detroit >> Wayne County >> (blank) >> Wayne County >> Wayne County >> 195 Sunset Blvd >> >> FOURTH DIVISION FROM RIGHT: >> (blank) >> Detroit >> (blank) >> Detroit >> Roosevelt Cemetery >> >> FIFTH DIVISION FROM RIGHT: >> (blank) >> (blank) >> (blank) >> 123 Apple Street >> (blank) >> >> So, what part of this am I not understanding, if so? >> >> Thanks, >> Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org >> >> On 03/11/2012 11:56 AM, M. Brenzel wrote: >>> If you sort your location list right to left, they will sort properly, >>> even with different numbers of fields. >>> >>> Mary >>> >>> *From:*John Magyari [mailto:jmagy...@gmail.com] >>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:08 AM >>> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields >>> vs 4 Fields >>> >>> Thanks for everyone's ideas. >>> Some of my Po
Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields
Yes, I agree that , , , CANADA might look a bit strange, but it is done because (until more research is done), we only know the person was born in Canada and we want to keep the sorting of the divisions intact. As you probably know, Legacy and other programs allow you to omit the commas when you use reporting functions. I'm not sure which tree you looked at, Mary. When we started out, we had one tree for the general public and one tree for the members (Sequoia), that's why I gave you the password to get in. I have three different people working on the website and I am more particular than they are, so sometimes there are errors. I even make them myself, but the way the place divisions are designed, most errors are easy to spot. So, if you found any place name without the four divisions, please let me know so I can correct it. I am still in the process of looking up all the county information, so that is not complete yet. I'm tired of talking about this subject myself. But the fact is that I'm on the side of the recommendations made by Legacy and most other genealogy programs that I'm aware of. Please let me quote from the 333 page book Legacy publishes: "Locations for events should be entered in a consistent format. It is suggested that you use the format of city; county; state or province; country." Yes, they allow us to enter it any way we choose and that is very good, but I find that the folks on this list that are the most militant about it are the ones that insist us FOUR-DIVISION people are dead wrong. We are not wrong! We are following the recommendations of most genealogists (at least in the United States). I'm done with the subject also and I agree that it is a sore spot and we should just drop it. But when people ask the question, I will probably just send them a note off-line to keep out of the controversy. Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org On 03/11/2012 09:01 PM, M. Brenzel wrote: > Very impressive site. Please don't take my question/comment as an insult to > your research or website. > > I have one question. Not all places in your lists have 4 fields with commas > in place of missing fields. Why is that? > > I also have one comment. I don't think there is anything odder than to see > multiple commas next to each other in your list of places. Seeing "Adams, , > New York, USA" instead of "Adams, Jefferson County, New York, USA" is an > indication of incomplete research. It is so easy to find which county a > town/village/city is in, especially with the Internet. > > Mary > > -Original Message- > From: Jerry [mailto:jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 7:57 PM > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 > Fields > > Hi again Mary. I think you are misunderstanding the whole sorting system in > terms of how most websites do the sorting. It is not simply a matter of > whether you go from the left to right or right to left, it is how the sorting > schemes deal with each division. If you want to see where I'm coming from, I > welcome you to go to our website at http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org (enter > FullGuest as username and merriam as password). Then go to the Places menu > where you will that when you click on COUNTRY, then you next can see all the > STATES and PROVINCES together in a list, then drill down to COUNTIES, and > then to CITIES. This is the way most websites are set up to do sorting and > you can't do that without regard to how many divisions you use. I hope you > will go take a look and then I think you will know exactly where I'm coming > from, even if you don't think it is necessary. > > Regards, > Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org > > On 03/11/2012 07:31 PM, M. Brenzel wrote: >> It doesn't matter how many fields you have in your locations. Sorting right >> to left puts the largest entity first, whatever that may be. >> >> I believe that your location examples below somehow got messed up in your >> message. You have multiple occurrences of Michigan and United States in >> your locations. >> >> Sorting what I believe you have below from right to left would be as follows: >> >> England, London, 195 Sunset Blvd., Roosevelt Cemetery United States, >> Michigan, Detroit United States, Michigan, Wayne County, Detroit >> United States, Michigan, Wayne County, Detroit, 123 Apple Street >> >> I don't know why you would have Detroit listed twice, once with Wayne County >> and once without it. >> >> But sorting this way, all of the locations in Detroit, Wayne County, >> Michigan, United Sta
Re: [LegacyUG] How to document Locations in Europe 5 Fields vs 4 Fields
I admit I had not thought about it in terms of each country having its own standard so when you click on a particular country, it would be true to its own standard. I'll have to run some tests and see if that works well and get back at ya. Thanks! --Jerry On 03/11/2012 09:33 PM, Gavin Nicholson wrote: > My question for Jerry is why do you need a standard? For any given country > (or indeed groups of countries) the sorting R to L will work because within > that country all locations will follow a standard. So if you had a list it > might look like: > > England, County, Town, Street > England, Different County, Different Town > England, Different County, Third Town > United States, State, County, Town > United States, Different State, Different County > > So all the related locations, that is, by country, or English county or USA > state are grouped together. What else is required? I ask this from the point > of view of what am I missing? > > I can't see how this would not always work because for any given location you > would always have a location with the precision increasing from R to L. That > is, if something happened in Australia and that is all I knew then the > location is Australia and it would be grouped with all other Australian > locations. If I knew it was in Sydney then automatically I know it is Sydney, > New South Wales, Australia. As long as I always stick with my own "standard" > for any given country then surely the location list R-L sorting will work? > > Regards, > Gavin... > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Location defaults changed
I understand well the argument that Legacy should have informed the users so they could make the choice between USA and United States. I actually intend on changing our locations to comply with the United States standard since it was pointed out to me by Sherry there is a need to do so for the public records. But I don't understand why so many on the list have apparently opted to just be stingy and not share their work with others. True, you should be given credit for the work you've done, but why not be willing to share with your extended family? I don't get it... Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org On 3/12/2012 2:24 PM, James Cook wrote: > That was my thought initially, but after a follow-up from the OPer, it > seems that when entering new locations (and I guess when geolocating), > Legacy now returns "United States" ALWAYS. So, if you are one who > prefers USA, you must manually change it every time. Not friendly at > all. > > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Mike Fry wrote: >> Quit moaning! It won't do any good! 5 minutes to run through the Master >> Locations List and change them all (and all usages) to what you want. > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames
As far as I know, you should have no problems with the use of the ? with gedcoms. I use Legacy and transfer information similar to my TNG website and the ? comes across just fine. You can search for every instance of ? in your database and you know where you have missing names. What you might want to do is to download the free version of PAF, since you are concerned how your transfer would come across from Legacy to PAF, and experiment a bit with that. Just a suggestion... Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org On 03/15/2012 09:41 PM, britton...@comcast.net wrote: > > Thanks David, I'd never have thought that Legacy would accept just a question > mark in a field and propagate it into charts and GEDCOMS. That's the best > scheme yet for my private and other Legacy users, but it might not propagate > quietly to programs like PAF and database trees in LDS or Ancestry, which I > can't test. > > kb > > - Original Message - > From: "David C Abernathy" > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:12:26 PM > Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames > > I use what info I have about the couple, i.e., "Mary ?" or "? Smith". Then > add in (Wife of John Smith), or (Husband of Jane Doe). YES, I use question > (?) marks instead of "Unknown" > > This helps in finding the person within the database, and tells me that more > research is needed when seeing them listed with the person index of the > program. > > I have NOT had issues with any GEDCOM files in doing this. When I find more > data, all I need to do edit the name. Yes it may look funny within a pedigree > chart and some reports, but the message come across loud and clear. I have > had people comment that they saw that I was missing the information, because > they saw what I had done. The use of some of the other suggest methods, do > not make them stand out, so that others may offer some help. > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames
Hi David. I like your use of the ? and I do something very similar. But would you mind giving me a couple examples of what you place in the LAST NAME field and what you place in the FIRST NAME FIELD, so I'm sure of what you are doing? Thanks, Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org On 03/15/2012 12:12 PM, David C Abernathy wrote: > I use what info I have about the couple, i.e., "Mary ?" or "? Smith". Then > add in (Wife of John Smith), or (Husband of Jane Doe). YES, I use question > (?) marks instead of "Unknown" > > This helps in finding the person within the database, and tells me that more > research is needed when seeing them listed with the person index of the > program. > > I have NOT had issues with any GEDCOM files in doing this. When I find more > data, all I need to do edit the name. Yes it may look funny within a pedigree > chart and some reports, but the message come across loud and clear. I have > had people comment that they saw that I was missing the information, because > they saw what I had done. The use of some of the other suggest methods, do > not make them stand out, so that others may offer some help. > > Thanks, > David C Abernathy > Email disclaimers > > This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. > > http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com > == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus == > > > -Original Message- > From: britton...@comcast.net [mailto:britton...@comcast.net] > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:47 AM > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames > > Thanks, Michele, Bob and Jan for thinking about this. My main concern is > unanticipated side effects. Placeholders like Mr. or Firstwife work well for > the original compiler, who has Legacy and external files, but wider > distribution and less capable software must be anticipated. Legacy too might > hiccup on empty fields or "name" duplication - or perhaps work better... > > "Mr." is a good example. In principle it's a quick search key for > placeholders. In practice, it's often important in genealogical analysis to > identify yeoman or gentleman social status, and is particularly useful in > distinguishing a socially prominent line amongst similar entries in parish > registers. For that purpose, the prefix field is ideal and alternate use of > the given name field implies a placeholder. But does that work for other > programs and propagate quietly via gedcoms? Is the trailing period a > possible problem, or later parsing where all name fields are empty? I need > to send a PAF Gedcom from Legacy to my cousin, who may further enter the > branch to LDS and Ancestry trees... > > Also on side effects, I use Mr where it's not known which brother was the > father, as elsewhere in this Pratt line. One side effect is to add a phantom > brother to the older generation. No problem with Legacy, which has ample > opportunity for notes and simple procedures for correction, but I don't want > to seed a phantom into some future database. > > AKAs do seem the best path for the Richord/Richard mess, though Richord is > only a search key for defectively entered records. But again, with both name > fields empty, will AKAs propagate and behave quietly? Pratt-wife has > definite appeal. Similarly, Pratt-child or Pratt-dau seems less likely to > cause trouble than Unknown for the daughters. It's all ugly expedients... > > Thanks again > > kb > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFa
Re: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames
Thanks for those samples, David. What I could not quite figure out is
how you are using the FIRST NAME and LAST NAME fields, from your
examples, but it gives me the idea of what you are doing. Thanks, --Jerry
On 03/17/2012 02:29 PM, David C Abernathy wrote:
Jerry,
Here are a few samples. They are from my main database from a different
program, But, I do the same thing in all of the programs I run. Yes, the
person index has all of these people at the top of the index, as the "("
comes before any of the letters. As you can see there can be many
different combinations, but they work for me. I use a GEDCOM to go from
my main database to Legacy and other programs that I have installed.
? Bowlen (Husband of Isabell Abernathy)
? ? (Wife of Charles Madison)
Jeanette ? (Wife of ? Moore
Karen ? (Wife of Charles Dunivan)
Dagmar ? (Mother of Ludwig Alfred Larsen)
Doris ? (Wife of Albert Abernathy)
Thanks,
David C Abernathy
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Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 10:10 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames
Hi David. I like your use of the ? and I do something very similar.
But would you mind giving me a couple examples of what you place in the
LAST NAME field and what you place in the FIRST NAME FIELD, so I'm sure
of what you are doing? Thanks,
Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org
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Re: [LegacyUG] Pre Rev War
Concord, , Massachusetts Bay Colony, British America although I usually use the note fields to explain the time-lines instead (if I did it that way, I would use , , in place of the county name, which did not exist at the time). Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org On 03/17/2012 03:20 PM, Michele Lewis wrote: > How do you record your pre Rev War locations using the standard 4 place > holders? > > michele > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and > on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Use of quote mark in location
Yeah, it's always been a pet peeve of mine that apostrophes are no longer used - I mean how many times do you see signs that say: "Cars Illegally Parked Will Be Towed at Owners Expense" and they don't include the apostrophe. But I always omit periods in my "computerized" abbreviations, so I guess I'm guilty too. Jerry On 03/20/2012 11:41 PM, John Groome wrote: > Hal > I am sure that there are variations to "rule" throughot the world. > For the last 15 years I have worked for NZ Post whose standard is that > there are no apostrophes. However we have been delivering mail for > only 150 years in the rural area and some roads which were named > (often after early settlers) prior do include the apostrophe. > Like all rules they are there to be broken. > John > > On 19 March 2012 08:11, Michele Lewis <mailto:ancestor...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I have always used the apostrophe. I have several locations like > St. Paul’s Parish. > > Michele > > *From:*Hal Antonson [mailto:hala...@msn.com <mailto:hala...@msn.com>] > *Sent:* Sunday, March 18, 2012 2:58 PM > *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Use of quote mark in location > > Is there a standard for use of the possessive quote mark in > locations? A place such as John's Crossing could be Johns > Crossing. Quotes may give problems later in match or exporting. Hal > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Latitude and longitute not being exported in GEDCOM
Hi Jennifer. Did you happen to see my reply before Sherry sent her reply? I know for a fact (unless this has been changed with a later version of Legacy), that you have to create an export gedcom as a Legacy gedcom - you cannot create a gedcom 5.5 and transfer into TNG if you want the mapping coordinates to transfer. I'm not sure if this behavior is on the Legacy end or the TNG end in the way that is handled because I did not check it out what was in the gedcoms specifically. I just know that when I created a regular gedcom 5.5 and transferred to my TNG website, the latitude and longitude coordinates did NOT transfer. When I changed it to a Legacy gedcom, it worked just fine. I'm not sure if this is your problem, but I wasn't sure if you saw my post. Cheers, --Jerry - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org On 03/28/2012 05:48 PM, Jennifer Crockett wrote: > OK - I have discovered that if I don't load the list I had prepared ages ago, > everything is fine. I have used this list forever and it never created a > problem before. Below is the list. Any problems there? > > Jennifer > > 0 > 0 > 1 > 0 > 0 > 0 > 0 > 0 > 1 > 1 > 1 > 0 > 1 > " " > "*BIRTBirth" > "*DEATDeath" > "*MARRMarriage" > "*NAMEName" > "*SEX Gender" > "_EVENT_DEFN Event Definition" > "_GROUP Label Groups" > "_NONEHad No Children" > "_ORDER Order" > "_PATHFile Path" > "_PHOTO Photo" > "_PLAC_DEFN Place Definition" > "_PREFPreferred" > "_SOUND Sound Filename" > "_STATStatus" > "_TODOTo-Do Items" > "_UID Unique Identifier" > "_VERIVerified" > "_VIDEO Video" > "ABBR Abbreviation" > "ADDR Address" > "ADOP Adoption" > "AFN Ancestral File Number" > "ALIA Alias Name" > "ANCI Ancestor Interest" > "ANUL Annulment" > "ARVL Arrival" > "AUTH Author" > "BAPL LDS Baptism" > "BAPM Baptism" > "BARM Bar Mitzvah" > "BASM Bas Mitzvah" > "BLES Blessing" > "BURI Burial" > "BUYR Buyer" > "CALN Call Number" > "CAST Caste" > "CAUS Cause" > "CEME Cemetery" > "CENS Census" > "CHAN Changed" > "CHIL Child" > "CHR Christened" > "CONF Confirmation" > "COPR Copyright" > "DATA Data" > "DATE Date" > "DESI Descendant Interest" > "DIV Divorce" > "DPRT Departure" > "EDTR Editor" > "EDUC Education" > "EMIG Emigration" > "ENDL LDS Endowment" > "ENGA Engagement" > "EVEN Event" > "FCOM First Communion" > "FIDE Fidelity" > "FILM Film" > "FOST Foster Child" > "GIVN Given names" > "GRAD Graduation" > "HEAL Health/Medical" > "HEIR Heir" > "HUSB Husband" > "IMMI Immigration" > "INTV Interviewer" > "ITEM Item" > "LANG Language" > "LGTE Legatee" > "MBR Member" > "MEDI Media" > "MNOTEMedical Notes" > "NAMS Name Sake" > "NATU Naturalisation" > "NOTE Notes" > "NPFX Title Prefix" > "NSFX Title Suffix" > "OBJE Object" > "OCCU Occupation" > "ORDN Ordination" > "OWNR Owner" > "PAGE Source Detail" > "PERI Period" > "PHON Phone Number" > "PLAC Place" > "PROB Probate" > "PROP Property" > "PUBL Publication" > "PUBR Publisher" > "PURC Purchase" > "RECO Recorder" > "REFN User ID" > "RELI Religion" > "REPO Repository" > "RESI Residence" > "RETI Retirement" > "RFN Record Number" > "RNOTEResearch Notes" > "ROLE Role" > "SELR Seller" > "SERS Series" > "SLGC LDS Sealed to Parents" > "SLGS LDS Sealed to Spouse" > "SOUR Source" > "SSN Soc Sec Num" > "STIL Stillborn" > "SURN Surname" > "TEMP LDS Temple" > "TEXT Text" > "TIME Time" > "TITL Title" >
Re: [LegacyUG] How to record places with two different names
If you don't mind showing more than one place name that is really the same exact location on the map, then you can use whatever variations you have. On the other hand, if you are like some of us who don't want to use extra place names unnecessarily, why not just explain the variations in the notes that are directly adjacent and a part of the location name field? As has been discussed many times on the list, it's a matter of your personal preferences more than anything.--Jerry - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org On 03/28/2012 11:06 PM, Tony Rolfe wrote: > I have folk born in Little Stonham, Suffolk, England and in Stonham > Parva, Suffolk, England. These are actually the same place and the two > names seem to be used interchangeably, particularly in censuses. > > Similarly Great Stonham and Stonham Magna. > > For Little Stonham, most references say "Little Stonham, sometimes > called Stonham Parva,..." which seems to indicate that Little Stonham is > preferred. However the church is always referred to as "St. Mary's > Church, Stonham Parva". > > Does anyone have any ideas how best to handle this? > > Thanks > > Tony > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Latitude and longitute not being exported in GEDCOM
Thanks - good luck getting to the bottom of the problem. --Jerry On 03/29/2012 01:25 AM, Jennifer Crockett wrote: > Hi Jerry > > I was creating the GEDCOM for Legacy option. > > It seems the problem I had was something to do with loading the customised > list I had saved. I have contacted Sherry with that information. > > Regards, > > Jennifer > http://colston-wenck.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Jerry [mailto:jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2012 3:13 PM > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Latitude and longitute not being exported in GEDCOM > > Hi Jennifer. Did you happen to see my reply before Sherry sent her > reply? I know for a fact (unless this has been changed with a later > version of Legacy), that you have to create an export gedcom as a Legacy > gedcom - you cannot create a gedcom 5.5 and transfer into TNG if you > want the mapping coordinates to transfer. I'm not sure if this > behavior is on the Legacy end or the TNG end in the way that is handled > because I did not check it out what was in the gedcoms specifically. > I just know that when I created a regular gedcom 5.5 and transferred to > my TNG website, the latitude and longitude coordinates did NOT > transfer. When I changed it to a Legacy gedcom, it worked just fine. > I'm not sure if this is your problem, but I wasn't sure if you saw my > post. Cheers, --Jerry - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org > > On 03/28/2012 05:48 PM, Jennifer Crockett wrote: >> OK - I have discovered that if I don't load the list I had prepared ages >> ago, everything is fine. I have used this list forever and it never created >> a problem before. Below is the list. Any problems there? > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Re: Verify your subscription to LegacyUserGroup mailing list
Every time I have tried to join the email list for LEGACY (the email list and the news list), it always says "FILE NOT FOUND" when I try to click on the link. Are you having problems with your server still? Could you please add me on? Thanks! Gerald E Boor (registered Legacy user) bearjerca...@comcast.net On 3/15/2010 12:15 AM, LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com wrote: > You have requested a subscription to the LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > mailing list. > > To be added to the list you must click the following link to verify your > subscription: > > http://mail.legacyusers.com/public/optin.aspx?id=2a259b25ca2d49cd867771b3833 > a3785&ml=3&domain=LegacyUsers.com > > Thank you, > > Legacy Family Tree > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy troubles
Suggestion to you, Noelene -- If you cannot open up the older Legacy file that you did not get on a gedcom yet, do you still have your older Legacy program CDs (the version on which you created your file?) If so, you should be able to re-install that version and get your older file open and running. However, someone else can chime in here, but I believe if you have a newer version of Legacy installed on your computer, such as Legacy 7.4, which isn't opening the file for you, the two versions would confllict with each other (i.e., normally not allowing you to have two separate versions on the same computer). So, your solution may be to: 1. Use a secondary computer to re-install the older version of Legacy and get your older file up and running on it, or 2. If you have the expertise, create a separate partition on your hard drive in which you can isolate the older version of Legacy, older file. But the simplest way would be to just re-install the older version, older file on a completely different computer. If you know your previous file was working fine with a certain version, then you should be able to get it up and running that way, create your gedcom and then transfer to the newer Legacy verson. Jerry in Michigan On 3/27/2010 5:49 PM, Noelene Jenkinson wrote: > > Angelique, > > I’m inclined to agree with you here. I had few problems with Legacy in > the first years actually using the programme and downloads. I’ve > always used deluxe. But since Legacy 7, I have struck troubles. I > cannot open one large family file. I know from the file size and the > extension that it’s my full updated legacy file, I just can’t open it. > Unfortunately I did not save it to a gedcom file as well so I’m stuck > with it in lurkdom and unavailable. Also I’ve uninstalled and > reinstalled 7.4 umpteen times and I still cannot get the programme to > open after the initial download and open session. In that initial > session, I also could not get the reports to work or add a new person > or use descendant narrative etc. I have the legacy 7.4 latest update > on my Start button but it won’t open!! When I last downloaded it – yet > again – I quickly saved all my current working family files to gedcom > so I can now use them with other programmes. I’ve had nothing but > frustration and trouble in recent times with legacy and like others am > wondering if I really should bother with it any more. It seems the > bigger the programme, the worse it becomes. > > The main reason I use Legacy is because of it’s publishing book > creation functions and it all worked beautifully up to about 2006 when > I published my last big family history. I’ve gone back to FTM > temporarily to see how the latest version compares in its publishing > features but have joined this list to try and get some answers and help. > > Noelene > > *From:* Marvin & Angelique Welch [mailto:angeli...@porphyrins.org] > *Sent:* Sunday, March 28, 2010 6:45 AM > *To:* LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Passage Express Button Not Working > > Thats just not feasible when I am supposed to leave in 20 minutes with > the project in hand. I think I am done with Legacy after this project. > It was great for the first 3-4 years, but these last two have geared > me toward finding another program. Sure, all the features are great. > But I am running into things left and right that are only taking hours > of my time. Time is money. > > BTW, I am also using XP with SP3. > > Angelique > > Ron Ferguson wrote: > > Marvin& Angelique Welch wrote: > > > I am down to the wire on a project and went to click on "Create CD" > > with Passage Express (I have the program) and it asked whether I > > wanted to use the entire family or a subset. I chose entire family > > and absolutely NOTHING happens afterwards. I have tried repeatedly > > for a different result, but get NOTHING. I have used this option > > plenty of times, but not since updating to 7.4.0.25. > > > > What is going on here? > > > > > Sorry, but I do not know, mine works fine with Windows XP SP3. If you are > using a different o/s then perhaps someone else can try it. You may like to > try File>File Maintenance>Check/Repair to see if that works. Otherwise I can > only suggest that uninstalling/reinstalling may resolve the problem. > > Ron Ferguson > _ > > Create your Website with Legacy, see Tutorials at: > http://www.fergys.co.uk > Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw > http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ > For The Fergusons of N.W. England > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ > _
Re: [LegacyUG] Import .zip File Problem
Rich, did you try RESTORE FAMILY FILE instead of OPEN FAMILY FILE? My understanding is that OPEN file calls for an .fdb file, whereas RESTORE is looking for a .zip file. Jerry On 4/3/2010 1:14 PM, Richard Heckman wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Got an IMPORT PROBLEM (at least I think it's an import problem). > > I upgraded my mother's Legacy 4.0 to the free version of Legacy 7 with > no problems (she doesn't need, or want, all the "bells and whistles"). > And of course, her old files were converted to Legacy 7, and they, too, > opened perfectly. YIPPEE! > > Since I wanted her to have my most recent data and pix, I took my latest > Legacy7 back up file (a .zip file) and tried to import it to my mother's > free Legacy7. I should use the IMPORT command right? since I want to > import my backup to her Legac7. > > However, I consistently received a pop-up message, saying that Legacy > was looking for a .fdb file. But the backup is a .zip file! The Import > Wizard didn't help. Manual import didn't help. > > I tried clicking, then moving my backup.zip file and releasing it over > the Legacy icon, but again, got the pop-up that Legacy is looking for an > .fdb file. > > What the heck am I don't wrong? > > What do I need to do to import my backup .zip file to my mother's Legacy7? > > In advance, thanks much for your help! > > Rich Heckman > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] LOCATIONS
In this discussion, may I ask one other question? Where would some of you put the TOWNSHIP in a 4 place location naming convention? The United States and Canada are big on townships in a lot of places and sometimes townships keep some records. In a 4 place naming convention I guess I would put something like this: New Haven, Lenox Township - Macomb County, Michigan, USA or short form New Haven, Lenox Twp - Macomb, MI, USA ? On 4/30/2010 2:03 PM, Connie Sheets wrote: > I never include USA in my locations, although I might if my family were more > recent immigrants. I do add the country on those rare occasions when I find > a cousin who emigrated to Canada or Argentina. I have never comprehended the > need for the blank comma convention. > > This means most of my locations are 3 part, although most of my burial > locations are 4 part because I include the name of the cemetery in the > location, e.g. Masonic Cem., Eagleville, Harrison Co., Missouri. > > Any difficulty this may cause is solved, IMO, by a right to left, rather than > the default left to right, sort. > > I rarely use the word "of" for reasons already discussed, although I do > sometimes use "probably" in a death or birth location field. > > I'm sure there are some highly technical reasons why others would be > horrified by my methods, but they work for me. > > Connie > > > > > > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Funny Source Titles
Hi. I'm getting some funny source titles listed in instances where there are no source citations cited. What is showing, for example, is found in the list of events toward the end of the source events, after LDS source events info, where it says a person's name and then says "DID NOT MARRY", "HAD NO CHILDREN". These events are not true. The persons did marry and did have children and there is no source documentation to the contrary, so I don't know where this is coming from. Does anyone have an idea how to get rid of it? I do not have the box checked where it says "person did not marry or have children." Thanks, --Jerry Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Funny Source Titles
Thanks! I thought about that, but I thought it would be kind of dumb to do it that way since the names of the persons are actually recorded along with the titles. Seems like if that is the case, the programmers should eventually change it. Just my opinion anyway. Thanks again! On 9/19/2010 9:48 PM, Jan Roberts wrote: > I think you will find it is more or less a place holder for a source if you > did have one. It does not mean that the person is recorded as not having > children / nit having married. > > Cheers > Jan > From: Jerry [mailto:bearjerca...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, 20 September 2010 11:42 > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: [LegacyUG] Funny Source Titles > > Hi. I'm getting some funny source titles listed in instances where there are > no source citations cited. What is showing, for example, is found in the > list of events toward the end of the source events, after LDS source events > info, where it says a person's name and then says "DID NOT MARRY", "HAD NO > CHILDREN". These events are not true. The persons did marry and did have > children and there is no source documentation to the contrary, so I don't > know where this is coming from. Does anyone have an idea how to get rid of > it? I do not have the box checked where it says "person did not marry or > have children." Thanks, --Jerry > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Funny Source Titles
Thanks - I didn't mind showing everything, but since I don't like seeing the names right next to events that never took place, I will go ahead and uncheck the box. --Jerry On 9/19/2010 10:04 PM, Jennifer Crockett wrote: > Jan, you can turn them off yourself. On the Assigned Sources screen, there is > a check box in the lower right "Show all events". If you uncheck it, only the > events with sources will show. > > Regards, > > Jennifer > http://colston-wenck.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Jerry [mailto:bearjerca...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, 20 September 2010 11:54 AM > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Funny Source Titles > >Thanks! I thought about that, but I thought it would be kind of dumb > to do it that way since the names of the persons are actually recorded > along with the titles. Seems like if that is the case, the programmers > should eventually change it. Just my opinion anyway. Thanks again! > > On 9/19/2010 9:48 PM, Jan Roberts wrote: >> I think you will find it is more or less a place holder for a source if you >> did have one. It does not mean that the person is recorded as not having >> children / nit having married. >> >> Cheers >> Jan >> From: Jerry [mailto:bearjerca...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, 20 September 2010 11:42 >> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >> Subject: [LegacyUG] Funny Source Titles >> >> Hi. I'm getting some funny source titles listed in instances where there >> are no source citations cited. What is showing, for example, is found in >> the list of events toward the end of the source events, after LDS source >> events info, where it says a person's name and then says "DID NOT MARRY", >> "HAD NO CHILDREN". These events are not true. The persons did marry and >> did have children and there is no source documentation to the contrary, so I >> don't know where this is coming from. Does anyone have an idea how to get >> rid of it? I do not have the box checked where it says "person did not >> marry or have children." Thanks, --Jerry > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Challenge #2: Changing place names
I see your point, but I prefer utilizing the extra note fields to indicate the changes in what a place was called. For example, why put the Colony of Massachusetts or Upper Canada and create duplicate place names for the exact same place, just called a different name in certain times. To me, that is better explained in a simple note so duplicate place names are not created unnecessarily, but some may disagree. Jerry On 9/23/2010 9:45 AM, Scott Hall wrote: > > The hardest thong I struggle with is determining the precise name of > the location at the time. But, if you have it, use it. All records > should show the place name at the time of the event, regardless of > where in the world it is. I like the idea of using the location notes > to indicate what the place is called now. > > Scott > > On Sep 22, 2010 7:05 PM, "Eliz Hanebury" <mailto:elizhg...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Include British parishes in that and you can really go crazy > > > > Eliz > > > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Jenny M Benson > mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk>> wrote: > >> On 22/09/2010 23:21, Maureen Lake wrote: > >>> The > >>> conundrum I find myself with is this: Does anyone (or everyone) > track these > >>> changes, or do you go with the standardised, modern place names > for most places > >>> outside the US? I know that sound US-centric to those of you > outside the US, > >>> but I only ask because of the county reminder thing-a-ma-bob. > >> > >> This is one which frequently crops up on LUG. > >> > >> Personally, I believe it is correct to record place names as they were > >> at the time of the event and I think most people would agree with me. > >> If you wish, you can use the Location Notes field to record how that > >> placename has changed over the years. > >> > >> Incidentally, it's not a US-centric thing: lots of countries have > >> boundary changes at all levels - town, county, state, country - for all > >> sorts of reasons. > >> > >> -- > >> Jenny M Benson > >> > >> > >> > >> Legacy User Group guidelines: > >> > >> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > >> > >> Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > >> > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > >> > >> Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > >> > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ > >> > >> Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > >> > >> To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > > > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ > > > > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > > > > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] PLACE NAMES
For what it's worth, my opinion is to use the BURIED field only as a location field such as Detroit, Wayne Co, Michigan, USA - then add the name of the cemetery in the NOTES field next to the BURIED location field. Otherwise, you will get LOCATION names that refer to CEMETERIES and not CITIES, VILLAGES, TOWNSHIPS, etc. The LOCATION fields are much more manageable not to mix them up with CEMETERY names.IMO. Plus, if you ever use TNG - The Next Generation of Genealogy Sitebuilding for your website data, you will have very messy PLACE names if you use CEMETERIES in fields that are really designed only for the traditional LOCATION / PLACE divisions. Jerry On 9/28/2010 10:41 PM, Jacki Richey wrote: > Tim, why do you create a 'burial' event when Legacy has a place for > "buried" right after "died"? > > > From: spa...@xmission.com > > Jenny, > > > > Would one enter the Cemetery like this ? > > > > Forrest Lawn Cemetery, L. Street, Plot 5.4, Cypress, Orange, > California, USA > > > > I'm like Sherry. I create a 'Burial' event. > > > > Tim > > > > On 27/09/2010 19:13, Sherry/Support wrote: > > >> I enter the cemetery name as an Event. That's easy to search and > > >> create reports on. Some users enter the cemetery name and address > info > > >> using the Address feature for the Burial field. Click on the "+" at > > >> the end of the field to enter the event address. > > > > > > And some of us enter the cemetery name as part of the location. > Indeed, > > > I include not only the cemetery name but also the plot/grave > number when > > > I know it. > > > > > > What's best is what works for you! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] PLACE NAMES
Nothing wrong with thatisn't it part of the NOTES field? That's what I had in mind... Jerry On 9/29/2010 12:54 AM, BMcL Robinson wrote: > Hi Jerry > > What is wrong with the Address field/table for cemeteries etc - then you can > edit the details from one place, select them from the list (second > application etc), and "show list" to find out who is there? I thought that > Notes would be less "friendly". > > Cheers, Brett > BMcL Robinson, Hamilton 3240, New Zealand > > - Original Message - > From: Jerry > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 5:09 PM > Subject: [LegacyUG] PLACE NAMES > > > For what it's worth, my opinion is to use the BURIED field only as a > location field such as Detroit, Wayne Co, Michigan, USA - then add the name > of the cemetery in the NOTES field next to the BURIED location field. > Otherwise, you will get LOCATION names that refer to CEMETERIES and not > CITIES, VILLAGES, TOWNSHIPS, etc. The LOCATION fields are much more > manageable not to mix them up with CEMETERY names.IMO. Plus, if you > ever use TNG - The Next Generation of Genealogy Sitebuilding for your > website data, you will have very messy PLACE names if you use CEMETERIES in > fields that are really designed only for the traditional LOCATION / PLACE > divisions. > > Jerry > > On 9/28/2010 10:41 PM, Jacki Richey wrote: > Tim, why do you create a 'burial' event when Legacy has a place for "buried" > right after "died"? > >> From: spa...@xmission.com >> Jenny, >> >> Would one enter the Cemetery like this ? >> >> Forrest Lawn Cemetery, L. Street, Plot 5.4, Cypress, Orange, California, >> USA >> >> I'm like Sherry. I create a 'Burial' event. >> >> Tim >>> On 27/09/2010 19:13, Sherry/Support wrote: >>>> I enter the cemetery name as an Event. That's easy to search and >>>> create reports on. Some users enter the cemetery name and address info >>>> using the Address feature for the Burial field. Click on the "+" at >>>> the end of the field to enter the event address. >>> And some of us enter the cemetery name as part of the location. Indeed, >>> I include not only the cemetery name but also the plot/grave number when >>> I know it. >>> >>> What's best is what works for you! > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] PLACE NAMES
Mark and Ron - Interesting discussion about the use of Cem: - I'll have to experiment with that, but I think I might still prefer the use of the NOTES button to add the cemeteries to BURIED, not positive yet... With the UK, is it standardized at all at five positions, for example? If so, would Legacy work if use always used five positions? Jerry On 9/29/2010 6:07 AM, Ron Ferguson wrote: > Mark, > > I doubt if the use of a colon will make any different to the mapping > function, and the rest of the location certainly doesn't - it is basically > the format I always use, and I do use the mapping facility. In fact from the > point of view of mapping, using the full address for the location gives a > much more accurate result (providing the road still exists!). > > Ron Ferguson > http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > -- > From: "Mark Klan" > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:16 AM > To: > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] PLACE NAMES > >> I'm one of the folks who use the Buried/Location field for cemetery names >> & locations, and initially this did indeed cause my master locations list >> to be quite a mess. However, I got rid of the jumble by entering every >> cemetery as follows (example): >> >> Cem: Trinity Cemetery, Sylvania, DeKalb, Alabama, United States >> >> Then for the short version, I edit and remove "Cem: " and also ", United >> States". I do this in the Master Locations list after I have added some >> new cemeteries, or whenever I get around to it. Once it's done for any >> given cemetery, it's done. >> >> So this particular cemetery shows up naturally on screen and in reports as >> Trinity Cemetery, Sylvania, DeKalb, Alabama. And in the master location >> list, all of my cemeteries are grouped together alphabetically beginning >> with the prefix Cem:. This eliminated the mess. I imagine it >> won't work well if you are using the mapping/lat/long stuff, but I >> don't... :-) >> >> Maybe this approach will be helpful to someone out there. >> >> Mark >> >> >> Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 12:09:22 AM, Jerry wrote: >> >> For what it's worth, my opinion is to use the BURIED field only as a >> location field such as Detroit, Wayne Co, Michigan, USA - then add the >> name of the cemetery in the NOTES field next to the BURIED location field. >> Otherwise, you will get LOCATION names that refer to CEMETERIES and not >> CITIES, VILLAGES, TOWNSHIPS, etc. The LOCATION fields are much more >> manageable not to mix them up with CEMETERY names.IMO. Plus, if you >> ever use TNG - The Next Generation of Genealogy Sitebuilding for your >> website data, you will have very messy PLACE names if you use CEMETERIES >> in fields that are really designed only for the traditional LOCATION / >> PLACE divisions. >> >> Jerry >> >> On 9/28/2010 10:41 PM, Jacki Richey wrote: >> >> Tim, why do you create a 'burial' event when Legacy has a place for >> "buried" right after "died"? >> >>> From: spa...@xmission.com >>> Jenny, >>> Would one enter the Cemetery like this ? >>> Forrest Lawn Cemetery, L. Street, Plot 5.4, Cypress, Orange, California, >>> USA >>> I'm like Sherry. I create a 'Burial' event. >>> Tim >>>> On 27/09/2010 19:13, Sherry/Support wrote: >>>>> I enter the cemetery name as an Event. That's easy to search and >>>>> create reports on. Some users enter the cemetery name and address info >>>>> using the Address feature for the Burial field. Click on the "+" at >>>>> the end of the field to enter the event address. >>>> And some of us enter the cemetery name as part of the location. Indeed, >>>> I include not only the cemetery name but also the plot/grave number >>>> when >>>> I know it. >>>> >>>> What's best is what works for you! > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] PLACE NAMES
Scott, I'm interested in what Ron will have to say on that also. But a lot of us use Legacy to maintain our database, but also use something akin to TNG - The Next Generation of Genealogy Sitebuilding to create a website. With TNG, place names are sorted according to the divisions used, separated by commas, but I believe you could use however many divisions you want. But if you were to use: Southhampton, Hampshire County, England, UK Chicago, Cook County, Illinois, USA _*The result would be that England would sort with Illinois in a place list.*_ Ron, I'm just wondering why you would even want to put UK there at all? (It's a kingdom, not a country, right?) Anyway, I've been putting: Southampton, Hampshire County, , England (Whether you actually have States in England, I don't know, but by using a blank division between commas, I force the list to put all the countries together in the alphabetical place list. Just another thought...--Jerry On 9/29/2010 11:33 AM, Scott Hall wrote: > Ron: > Good information in that blog ... thanks for linking to it. A > question, though ... why is the addition of "UK" at the end of the > location unacceptable? Couldn't one write, in your example, > "Southampton, Hampshire, England, United Kingdom" in that the city of > Southampton is in Hampshire County, in the country of England, which > is part of the United Kingdom? I wonder if you're being too rigid > that the the "thrid comma" must be state. > In my database, I've opted to use descriptors, for example: Muncy > Borough, Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, USA as opposed to Muncy, > Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, USA. I do this because, in this case > there are two Muncys -- Muncy Township and Muncy Borough, so just > saying "Muncy" gives you no clue as to which one I am referring. For > places that have an even lower level, such as a village within a town, > I sometimes use five commas like Manchester (village), Manchester > (town), Ontario County, New York, USA, although I suppose one could > simply eliminate the town and stick to the four comma approach. > Anyway, for Southampton, my file would show Southamption (city), > Hampshire County, England, UK. This doesn't mean that England is a > state, which it is not, just that it is a component of the UK. > Thoughts? > Scott > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 4:32 AM, Ron Ferguson > mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk>> wrote: > > Jerry, > > Please let us be clear, "fields that are really designed only for the > traditional LOCATION / PLACE divisions." These fields are not > traditional. > They are based, as I have said previously, on an artificial > convention which > arranged for a location to comprise 4 fields. Whilst this works in > many/most American locations it is not suitable for the UK and > most of the > rest of the world. > > In fact for constituent countries of the United Kingdom and Great > Britain, > as used actually gives a false output. You may wish to look at my > blog at > http://bit.ly/8VDqTc where I describe how to *accurately* record > British > locations, instead of getting them wrong by forcing them into the > American 4 > field convention. > > BTW. On LUG it has been reported several times that the convention > does not > work for all American locations either. The location field works > perfectly > well when containing a full location/address, especially if set to > read from > right to left. Where one may find a problem is using the > Geo-Locator which > uses incorrect locations for all of the UK. > > Ron Ferguson > http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > > > From: Jerry > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 5:09 AM > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: [LegacyUG] PLACE NAMES > > > For what it's worth, my opinion is to use the BURIED field only as a > location field such as Detroit, Wayne Co, Michigan, USA - then add > the name > of the cemetery in the NOTES field next to the BURIED location field. > Otherwise, you will get LOCATION names that refer to CEMETERIES > and not > CITIES, VILLAGES, TOWNSHIPS, etc. The LOCATION fields are much more > manageable not to mix them up with CEMETERY names.IMO. Plus, > if you > ever use TNG - The Next Generation of Genealogy Sitebuilding for your > website data, you will have very messy PLACE names if you use > CEMETERIES in > fields that are really designed only for the traditional LOCATION > / PLACE > divisions. > > Jerry > > On
Re: [LegacyUG] PLACE NAMES
On 9/29/2010 11:40 AM, Ward Walker wrote: > It does not show on web pages. Ward, speaking about the ADDRESS + NOTES next to the BURIED LOCATION and DATE fields. It depends on what you are referring to - perhaps if you create web pages directly from Legacy, it does not show up (?) - but if you use a Gedcom file to upload into TNG (The Next Generation of Genealogy Sitebuilding) to build your database online, YES, it does show up... --Jerry Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] PLACE NAMES
Hi Ron. I understand your desire to be true to the correct way for your country. However, since I want to see all the names sort properly in a list, I'll go ahead and insert that extra blank field. As I see it, no harm done because it is just a blank anyway. I have a cousin in Canada I work with on our website and she insisted (at first) in putting Upper Canada, Lower Canada, Colony of Massachusetts, etc., for some of our ancestors when their birth places were called names no longer in use. I finally convinced her that we could use the NOTE field for those things and not "mess up" our location database. But your explanations do help see the bigger picture and I appreciate them! Jerry On 9/29/2010 12:32 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote: > Jerry, > with respect you are doing the very thing that I suggest is wrong. You > are correct in the the UK is a Kingdom, an alliance, and not a > country, as I said in my reply to Scott. But it is equally wrong to > put a comma after a county, there isn't a layer between a county and > the country. It is simply Southampton, Hampshire, England. > Yes, this causes a problem with the Global-Locator, but so be it. I > prefer my locations to be accurate. If I really get stuck on a > location and need to use the Global-Locator then I do put "UK" at the > end - and then remove it as soon as I identified the place. However > the place which I have problems with are usually too small to be on > the maps, or disappeared years ago! > Ron Ferguson > http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > > *From:* Jerry <mailto:bearjerca...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:56 PM > *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com> > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] PLACE NAMES > > Scott, I'm interested in what Ron will have to say on that also. But > a lot of us use Legacy to maintain our database, but also use > something akin to TNG - The Next Generation of Genealogy Sitebuilding > to create a website. With TNG, place names are sorted according to > the divisions used, separated by commas, but I believe you could use > however many divisions you want. But if you were to use: > > Southhampton, Hampshire County, England, UK > Chicago, Cook County, Illinois, USA > _*The result would be that England would sort with Illinois in a place > list.*_ > > Ron, I'm just wondering why you would even want to put UK there at > all? (It's a kingdom, not a country, right?)   Anyway, I've > been putting: > > Southampton, Hampshire County, , England > (Whether you actually have States in England, I don't know, but by > using a blank division between commas, I force the list to put all the > countries together in the alphabetical place list. > > Just another thought...   --Jerry > > On 9/29/2010 11:33 AM, Scott Hall wrote: >> Ron: >>  >> Good information in that blog ... thanks for linking to it. A >> question, though ... why is the addition of "UK" at the end of the >> location unacceptable? Couldn't one write, in your example, >> "Southampton, Hampshire, England, United Kingdom" in that the city of >> Southampton is in Hampshire County, in the country of England, which >> is part of the United Kingdom? I wonder if you're being too rigid >> that the the "thrid comma" must be state. >>  >> In my database, I've opted to use descriptors, for example: Muncy >> Borough, Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, USA as opposed to Muncy, >> Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, USA. I do this because, in this case >> there are two Muncys -- Muncy Township and Muncy Borough, so just >> saying "Muncy" gives you no clue as to which one I am referring. >> For places that have an even lower level, such as a village within a >> town, I sometimes use five commas like Manchester (village), >> Manchester (town), Ontario County, New York, USA, although I suppose >> one could simply eliminate the town and stick to the four comma approach. >>  >> Anyway, for Southampton, my file would show Southamption (city), >> Hampshire County, England, UK. This doesn't mean that England is a >> state, which it is not, just that it is a component of the UK. >>  >> Thoughts? >>  >> Scott >> >> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 4:32 AM, Ron Ferguson >> mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk>> wrote: >> >> Jerry, >> >> Please let us be clear, "fields that are really designed only for the >> traditional LOCATION / PLACE divisions." These fields are not >> traditional. >> They are based,
Re: [LegacyUG] PLACE NAMES
Hi Mary. I understand what you are doing. I just don't like it because it creates many different location names for the exact same place. Hence, we decided to modify the location, when necessary, by using the extra (+) note field. Just seems to me that if you want to find every person born in Detroit (like your example and where I live, by the way), it would be far better to have only one master name for that location. Fort Ponchartrain won't sort anywhere near Detroit in a long list of places either. But to each his own, as you say. Jerry On 9/29/2010 1:13 PM, brenze...@roadrunner.com wrote: > But unless the "event" took place in the modern UK, why would you even > consider putting it into the location field? The country such as England > should be the last entry in the location field. So my grandmother was born > in 1881 in: > > Saint Vincent Villa, Lynton, Devon, England > > And yes, although I am in the US and the majority of my locations are in the > US, I have chosen to completely ignore the 4-field location format. This > same grandmother is buried in: > > Elmlawn Cemetery - 3939 Delaware Avenue, Kenmore, Erie County, New > York, USA > > In addition, I always record the event location as it was at the time of the > event. I have entries for events that took place in each of the following > locations (listed latest to oldest), although they each mean the same place, > just at different times of history when the event took place: > > Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan, USA > Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan Territory, USA > Detroit, Wayne County, Indiana Territory, USA > Detroit, Wayne County, Northwest Territory, USA > Detroit, British North America > Fort Ponchartrain du Detroit, New France > > Each of these is entered separately in my Locations master list. > > This works for me but let's all keep in mind that Legacy is very flexible in > almost all aspects. What works for me might not work for you! > > Mary > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] PLACE NAMES
Thanks, Ron. I don't disagree with you on accuracy - just how that accuracy should be noted to keep the place names systematic with the computer age and GPS. But at least I think we got some good information out there. Thanks again for the history lesson for Great Britain where many of my ancestors came from also. --Jerry On 9/29/2010 2:34 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote: > Jerry, > > Clearly we are not going to agree on the subject of place names, and I do > not agree with what you say below either. Place names should be those used > at the time of the event, and not only from the point of view of accuracy. > Let us consider the town of Slaithwaite in Yorkshire, England, or rather it > was until the boundaries changed and its location became Slaithwaite, > Lancashire, England, much to the annoyance of the residents of the town - I > mean what were the Wars of the Roses for if not to protect our borders? > > Anyhow if one writes the location using the current county of Lancashire > then it will not easily be found in the 19c censuses as it was then in > Yorkshire. > > Not being a 100 years old, yet, I am not included in any censuses but should > anyone be bothered looking for me when they are published, the will see that > I was brought up in the Hamlet of Winton in Eccles, Lancashire, England. In > 1974 Eccles was merged into the City of Salford, so now the location is > Winton, Eccles, Salford, Lancashire, England. It doesn't look like much of a > change, but actually it is, because prior to 1971 Eccles was a county > borough with its own administration and police force etc. Now it is a > district of Salford, not the same at all and one will certainly not find > Eccles in Salford in the censuses prior to 1974. > > These are just a couple of examples, but the principle applies to all > historic data, it will not be found if one looks in the wrong place. > > Ron Ferguson > http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > > -- > From: "Jerry" > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 6:28 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] PLACE NAMES > >> Hi Mary. I understand what you are doing. I just don't like it >> because it creates many different location names for the exact same >> place. Hence, we decided to modify the location, when necessary, by >> using the extra (+) note field. Just seems to me that if you want to >> find every person born in Detroit (like your example and where I live, >> by the way), it would be far better to have only one master name for >> that location. Fort Ponchartrain won't sort anywhere near Detroit in a >> long list of places either. But to each his own, as you say. >> >> Jerry >> >> On 9/29/2010 1:13 PM, brenze...@roadrunner.com wrote: >>> But unless the "event" took place in the modern UK, why would you even >>> consider putting it into the location field? The country such as England >>> should be the last entry in the location field. So my grandmother was >>> born in 1881 in: >>> >>>Saint Vincent Villa, Lynton, Devon, England >>> >>> And yes, although I am in the US and the majority of my locations are in >>> the US, I have chosen to completely ignore the 4-field location format. >>> This same grandmother is buried in: >>> >>>Elmlawn Cemetery - 3939 Delaware Avenue, Kenmore, Erie County, New >>> York, USA >>> >>> In addition, I always record the event location as it was at the time of >>> the event. I have entries for events that took place in each of the >>> following locations (listed latest to oldest), although they each mean >>> the same place, just at different times of history when the event took >>> place: >>> >>> Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan, USA >>> Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan Territory, USA >>> Detroit, Wayne County, Indiana Territory, USA >>> Detroit, Wayne County, Northwest Territory, USA >>> Detroit, British North America >>> Fort Ponchartrain du Detroit, New France >>> >>> Each of these is entered separately in my Locations master list. >>> >>> This works for me but let's all keep in mind that Legacy is very flexible >>> in almost all aspects. What works for me might not work for you! >>> >>> Mary >>> > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > Archived messages from old ma
Re: [LegacyUG] Unusual paper size
Hi, just wondering - instead of printing within Legacy, is there an option to change the output into a .pdf file? That might give you more options on how you can make the margins work out, especially with the software that allows you to change .pdf files. Just a thought... --Jerry On 10/3/2010 6:51 PM, Robert E. Carneal wrote: > Richard- thanks. the manual says the printer will accept any size up > to 13 X 19 inches. On one of the websites, Epson claims to have a > customer use 13 by 44 inches. (wow!! I don't know if I believe that.) > Given that, it -should- accept 9 X 12. I guess my question should have > been: > > Has anyone ever successfully printed to paper is 9 by 12 inches from > *within* Legacy?I am starting to think no. > > Thanks. > > Robert > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 3:42 PM, RICHARD SCHULTHIES > wrote: >> All printing things tie into YOUR printer, so you must look in the choices >> on your printer, to find what sizes you can print on. Many of them have >> customizable paper sizes. I have never seen that size paper in any of my >> vendors, but good luck in getting your printer to like that size, >> Rich in LA CA >> >> --- On Sun, 10/3/10, Robert E. Carneal wrote: >> >> From: Robert E. Carneal >> Subject: [LegacyUG] Unusual paper size >> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >> Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 11:30 AM >> >> Has anyone had any success with using the paper size 9 X 12 inches? I have >> been asked to make a family book using Legacy in that size, but I am not >> sure I can, unless I make an RTF and then change it in Word or something. >> Anyone? >> >> Thank you. >> >> Robert Carneal > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Periods After Abbreviations ?
Thank you very much for all the input. Sounds like there's no cardinal rule on it anymore, so we can do as we see fit.... Jerry On 10/6/2010 5:01 PM, Scott Hall wrote: > The Harry S Truman example! Note that even Harry himself, in his > official documents, used a period, even though the "S" stood for > nothing specific. > To the original point, has the standard actually changed such that > periods are no longer appropriate, or is this just a texting shortcut > that should be ignored in Legacy (and elsewhere)? I do notice this on > websites such as Ancestry and services like HeritageQuest, neither of > which apply a period after a middle inital. I hadn't much thought > about it unitl now. > Scott > > On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Dave Naylor <mailto:dcnay...@bell.net>> wrote: > > On 6 Oct 2010 Jerry wrote: > > > Does anyone know why a message from the Legacy program states that > > "all initials should be followed by a period"?I am now > accustomed to > > not using periods in abbreviations because it is the new > "computerized" > > way of doing things. Does anyone really see a problem with any > of that? > > Yes! In early Pennsylvania and New Jersey (and no doubt other > provinces/states) some families used a single letter as a middle > "name" in > order to identify their children. So all children of the same > parents had the > same middle "initial" in their name. > > In Legacy, I identify these from actual initials (where the middle > name is > unknown) by *not* having a full-stop/period after them. Where the > letter is an > initial for an unknown name it *is* followed by a > full-stop/period. Obviously > if I know the middle name it is written in full. > > Cheers! -- Dave N. > -- > David Naylor, Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada. > --- > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > <http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp> > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > <http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp> > > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > <http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp> > > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Periods After Abbreviations ?
Well, on that issue, I guess you would defer to the wishes of the publisher, but so many things which are abbreviations are no longer used with periods. What's the difference with middle names or other abbreviations? Would a publisher insist on U.S.A.? Probably not - so I rest my case, but I do appreciate the input from everyone... Jerry On 10/6/2010 6:09 PM, CE Wood wrote: > Unless you want to publish anything. Shorthand is shorthand. Grammatical > English is still standard. > > > CE > > From: Jerry [mailto:bearjerca...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 3:01 PM > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Periods After Abbreviations ? > > Thank you very much for all the input. Sounds like there's no cardinal > rule on it anymore, so we can do as we see fit > > Jerry > > On 10/6/2010 5:01 PM, Scott Hall wrote: > The Harry S Truman example! Note that even Harry himself, in his official > documents, used a period, even though the "S" stood for nothing specific. >  > To the original point, has the standard actually changed such that periods > are no longer appropriate, or is this just a texting shortcut that should be > ignored in Legacy (and elsewhere)? I do notice this on websites such as > Ancestry and services like HeritageQuest, neither of which apply a period > after a middle inital. I hadn't much thought about it unitl now. >  > Scott > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] List of Assigned Sources
Does anyone know if you can change the default WIDTH of columns in the List of Assigned Sources? When I re-size columns, close the window and come back into it, it always reverts back to widths I don't want. Thanks, -Jerry Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] List of Assigned Sources
On 10/7/2010 1:03 PM, Mike Fry wrote: > On 2010/10/07 17:59, Jerry wrote: >> Does anyone know if you can change the default WIDTH of columns in the >> List of Assigned Sources? When I re-size columns, close the window and >> come back into it, it always reverts back to widths I don't want. > This has been asked before... quite recently in fact. Check the > archives, but the answer is NO. > Sorry I missed that - thanks. That would be a nice fix for a future update IMO. --Jerry Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Set living persons as private
Hi Individual living persons were not set as private when they were entered. So now when I want to produce a web page I do not want to show living individuals. How do I set the private setting for all of the living persons without going into each individual file? Jerry Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Set living persons as private
Thank you Ron Using the options under the Others tab the end result is the word living is put in place of the persons name. Jerry -- From: "Ron Ferguson" Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 11:12 AM To: Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Set living persons as private > Jerry, > > Depending on what you are doing there is probably no need. If you look at > the options under all the tabs on the Web Creation page you will see what > choices you have. In particular you might like to look under the "Others" > tab. > > You will also find in the Tutorials section of my website full details on > using Legacy's web Creation Program. Legacy's Help Pages are also very > comprehensive. > > Ron Ferguson > > http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > > > > From: Jerry > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 6:33 PM > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: [LegacyUG] Set living persons as private > > > Hi > > Individual living persons were not set as private when they were entered. > So > now when I want to produce a web page I do not want to show living > individuals. How do I set the private setting for all of the living > persons > without going into each individual file? > > Jerry > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Set living persons as private
I like the way Wendy worked around the issue. The KEY being that she used a copy of her original file so that she ended up with two files, one with living persons and one without living persons. Realizing that once a living person is deleted all persons following are also gone. Jerry -- From: "Ron Ferguson" Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 1:06 PM To: Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Set living persons as private > Wendy, > > A word of caution when using this method. With Genes ReUnited it works > reasonably well, but with a Legacy Pedigree tree it can cause problems, > because if a person is not included then a descendant who one may wish to > include eg. a deceased child of a living person will not be shown in the > correct part of the tree but as an island tree. This may not be what is > required eg. a serviceman killed in action. If "Private" or "Living" is > used > then they will. > > Ron Ferguson > http://www.fergys.co.uk/ > -- > From: "Wendy Howard" > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 8:26 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Set living persons as private > >> Hi Jerry, >> >>> Individual living persons were not set as private when they were >>> entered. So now when I want to produce a web page I do not want to >>> show living individuals. How do I set the private setting for all of >>> the living persons without going into each individual file? >>> >> >> I found myself in a similar situation this week when I prepared a GEDCOM >> file for uploading to Genes Reunited. I didn't want living people in >> the file, even to acknowledge that they exist. >> >> First, I made a copy of my file and worked with that. I was wanting to >> include only people I'd marked with Tag 2, which was already set, so I >> took steps to delete everyone else - I won't bore you with those >> details, since it's not part of what we're talking about here. >> >> Next, I did a search for all living people. Search > Look for whom? = >> Individual, Where to look = Living, How to look = Equal to, What to look >> for = YES > Create list. >> >> Then, in the Search List, click on Options > Advanced Tagging. Select >> an unused Tag (I used 6) and set that number in the box "Make changes on >> #". And the click on the "Everyone in Search List" button. >> >> Now, everyone in the file who is marked as Living has Tag 6 (or your tag >> of choice) set. >> >> You can now go to Tools > Advanced Deleting and delete everyone with >> that tag number. Make sure you change the tag number - it always starts >> at #1 and it would be easy to forget to alter the number if you were >> using a different one. Another good argument for working on a copy of >> your file, so you can start again if you make a mistake. >> >> When I was doing this exercise, I deleted one-by-one - I wanted to >> retain myself, my partner and his parents to tie his ancestors to mine, >> so did not delete those people. You can make it delete all the selected >> people in one hit if you prefer - I could have removed the tag on those >> four people first and then done a mass delete, if I'd thought of it at >> the time. >> >> What I was left with was a file containing the people I wanted to >> include in the GEDCOM, ready to export. And my original file was >> untouched. >> >> When I exported I selected to "Suppress details for living people" and >> "Change name to "Living"", then after I'd uploaded the file to Genes >> Reunited quickly altered those four remaining living people to appear as >> I wanted (ie, put my own name in for me, and "Living SURNAME" for the >> other three, slightly incorrect birth years, and country of birth only) >> so it made sense to others viewing the tree. I could have done that in >> the GEDCOM file before uploading, instead, but this seemed the simplest. >> >> Hope this helps. :-) >> >> Kind Regards, >> Wendy Howard >> -- >> Kaiwaka, Northland, New Zealand >> http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wendyh65/ >> <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Ewendyh65/> >> >> > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > Archived messages from old mail server - befo
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source
Hi Cheryl - if you create a master source for 1850 Census - Logan County, Ohio (or State it is), you might end up with way too many master sources listed. It would probably be better to keep master sources more broad, just not too broad. For example, you might want one master source for 1850 Census - Michigan USA and one master source for 1850 Census - Ohio USA. That way every person who has 1850 census source information listed for Michigan will come up when you do a search, etc. The part about Logan County can be put in the SOURCE DETAIL, not in the master source initial setup. However, if you just happened to have a lot of records for Logan County, that would be a reason to make it a separate master source. If someone disagrees with that or has something to add, please do so. --Jerry On 10/11/2010 12:40 PM, Cheryl Rothwell wrote: > This was my first source in Legacy. Obviously I didn't quite > understand it but I like what you are saying better. One Logan County > 1850 Census too I hope. That's the way I have been doing it but my old > program really doesn't go for it. > > I should set up these Master Sources first? > > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Connie Sheets wrote: >> Hi, Cheryl, >> >> Legacy is designed with both a Master Source and Source Detail. Think of >> the Master Source as a book, and the Source Detail as a page in that book. >> >> While it is possible to set up a Master Source to be just one person's death >> certificate, I don't "split" sources to that extreme. Instead, I have a >> Master Source for Missouri Death Certificates, another for Washington State >> Death Certificates, etc. Then, I only have to change the Source Detail (the >> person, date, etc.), like I would enter a different page in a book. >> >> If you set up each person's death certificate as a Master Source, you will >> still be prompted for a Source Detail, although all you need to do is click >> on Save. That's just the way the program works. >> >> My guess is you didn't realize/remember it was a 2-step process when you set >> up your first use of that source. >> >> Connie >> >> --- On Mon, 10/11/10, Cheryl Rothwell wrote: >> >> Plodding along with my test data, I wanted to add a source for some of the >> data using a death certificate. I thought I understood the Master Source >> would add that citation to each fact I chose. So why did I have to enter the >> certificate number and year [and some other things I ignored] each time? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Legacy User Group guidelines: >> >>http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >> >> Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: >> >>http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >> >> Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: >> >>http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ >> >> Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >> >> To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp >> >> >> >> > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
