Re: where to buy a portable external monitor for my laptop in Jerusalem?

[Michael Shiloh]

Thanks Rabin and others who responded. Your suggestions are very helpful

On Sun, Jun 30, 2024 at 1:54 PM, Rabin Yasharzadehe  wrote:

> Ivory  and KSP  are
> also valid options.
> --
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>
>
> On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 at 10:08, Michael Shiloh 
> wrote:
>
>> Is Bug on Ben Yehudah still my only option or are there other options?
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Re: where to buy a portable external monitor for my laptop in Jerusalem?

[Rabin Yasharzadehe]

Ivory  and KSP  are also
valid options.
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where to buy a portable external monitor for my laptop in Jerusalem?

[Michael Shiloh]

Is Bug on Ben Yehudah still my only option or are there other options?
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Re: Closing laptop lid while Zoom is running prevents wake-from-suspend when lid opened

[Michael Shiloh]

Thanks for the pointer Shimi, and your hunch.

I'm off to read the document.

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 8:57 AM shimi  wrote:
>
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 1:05 PM Michael Shiloh  
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I don't even know where to start looking.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>
>
> Where to start: https://01.org/node/3721
>
> My hunch, whenever NVIDIA or Intel are involved, is to start off your 
> investigation with the graphics adapter.
>
> HTH,
>
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Re: Closing laptop lid while Zoom is running prevents wake-from-suspend when lid opened

[shimi]

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 1:05 PM Michael Shiloh 
wrote:

>
> I don't even know where to start looking.
>
> Any suggestions?
>

Where to start: https://01.org/node/3721

My hunch, whenever NVIDIA or Intel are involved, is to start off your
investigation with the graphics adapter.

HTH,

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Closing laptop lid while Zoom is running prevents wake-from-suspend when lid opened

[Michael Shiloh]

Hello all,

Lenovo Thinkpad X1 carbon, 8th generation
Ubuntu 20.10, kept up to date and various programs added but I haven't
modified the system.

If I close the laptop lid while Zoom is running, then later on when I
open the lid the laptop does not wake-from-suspend. I've tried
pressing the power button but unless I hold it down for long enough to
force a power off, it has no effect. Closing and re-opening the lid
has no effect.

This only happens if I shut down while Zoom was running. I know that
the work-around is to always close Zoom first, but sometimes I forget.

This only happens with Zoom; in all other cases the laptop wakes from
suspend when I open the lid perfectly reliably.

I don't even know where to start looking.

Any suggestions?

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Alternate docking station for the Dell Precision M3800? (Re: The Dell Precision M3800 Laptop)

[Omer Zak]

The computer shop which suggested to me the Dell Precision M3800 laptop
suggests that the E-port with 210W adapter
(http://accessories.ap.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=my&l=en&s=dhs&cs=mydhs1&sku=450-14000)
 be used with the laptop.

I googled for Linux support for this adapter, but found no information.
About using 3 displays with the laptop (2 + laptop's own, or 3
external), it seems to be possible according to:
http://superuser.com/questions/369488/will-the-e-port-plus-laptop-docking-station-allow-me-to-use-three-viewports-moni

Does anyone have experience using it with Linux?
BTW there is another model with confusingly similar name and more
connections:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&sku=430-3312&s=bsd).

Thanks,
--- Omer Zak


On Thu, 2015-12-24 at 00:51 +0200, Omer Zak wrote:
> Another problem is that according to what I found while googling it, the
> docking station mentioned with the laptop (Dell Docking Station USB 3.0
> - D3100) is not supported by Linux (or maybe supported using proprietary
> drivers limited to some Linux distributions).
> 
> I need something to connect 2-3 additional displays to the laptop (3
> displays if the laptop's own display is disabled).


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Re: The Dell Precision M3800 Laptop

[Omer Zak]

Thanks for the feedback and advice, Shachar.

When I'll have 4K displays, I'll worry about the resolution differences.
At present, I don't care about smartcard/fingerprint readers.

One of the problems, which I worry about, is that Ely Levy was very
unhappy with the M3800 that he got. If no one else was as unhappy with
it, Ely may have gotten a lemon.

Another problem is that according to what I found while googling it, the
docking station mentioned with the laptop (Dell Docking Station USB 3.0
- D3100) is not supported by Linux (or maybe supported using proprietary
drivers limited to some Linux distributions).

I need something to connect 2-3 additional displays to the laptop (3
displays if the laptop's own display is disabled).

--- Omer


On Wed, 2015-12-23 at 19:54 +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> On 23/12/15 10:54, E.S. Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> > 2015-12-22 21:48 GMT+02:00 Omer Zak :
> > > As I said few weeks ago, I am considering the purchase of a new laptop
> > > to replace my current desktop PC and also serve me on the road.
> > > 
> > > It was suggested to me to consider purchasing the Dell Precision M3800
> > > laptop.
> > > 
> > > Before ordering it, I'd like to know if anyone else bought it and if
> > > yes, what is his/her experience. Specific questions appear below.
> > > 
> > > From the reviews that I read, the laptop suffers from a battery life
> > > deficiency (which does not bother me). Also, the 4K display option
> > > causes a lot of software to display too small graphical elements.
> > > (see, for example:
> > > http://www.networkworld.com/article/2897199/opensource-subnet/review-dells-ubuntu-powered-m3800-mobile-workstation-is-a-desktop-destroyer.html).
> > Usually the DE has somewhere where you can tell it how high the DPI is
> > for your screen and it will scale elements accordingly, however this
> > usually won't work across the board.
> Make sure not to have different displays on the same desktop with
> drastically different DPIs. I've had a laptop with a fairly high
> resolution, and connected a monitor that was both bigger and had lower
> resolution. The result was that the DPI of the laptop display was
> almost twice that of the external monitor. Things did not look good.
> Things were either too small on the built-in display or too big on the
> external one.
> 
> Also, in my previous email on the subject I said that almost
> everything works with Linux, but was then hard pressed to say what
> didn't. I have, since, remembered. Some Dell laptops have a built in
> smartcard/fingerprint reader. That one is completely and hopelessly
> unsupported on Linux. That was the only hardware component I failed to
> make work.

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Re: The Dell Precision M3800 Laptop

[Shachar Shemesh]

On 23/12/15 10:54, E.S. Rosenberg wrote:
> 2015-12-22 21:48 GMT+02:00 Omer Zak :
>> As I said few weeks ago, I am considering the purchase of a new laptop
>> to replace my current desktop PC and also serve me on the road.
>>
>> It was suggested to me to consider purchasing the Dell Precision M3800
>> laptop.
>>
>> Before ordering it, I'd like to know if anyone else bought it and if
>> yes, what is his/her experience. Specific questions appear below.
>>
>> From the reviews that I read, the laptop suffers from a battery life
>> deficiency (which does not bother me). Also, the 4K display option
>> causes a lot of software to display too small graphical elements.
>> (see, for example:
>> http://www.networkworld.com/article/2897199/opensource-subnet/review-dells-ubuntu-powered-m3800-mobile-workstation-is-a-desktop-destroyer.html).
> Usually the DE has somewhere where you can tell it how high the DPI is
> for your screen and it will scale elements accordingly, however this
> usually won't work across the board.
Make sure not to have different displays on the same desktop with
drastically different DPIs. I've had a laptop with a fairly high
resolution, and connected a monitor that was both bigger and had lower
resolution. The result was that the DPI of the laptop display was almost
twice that of the external monitor. Things did not look good. Things
were either too small on the built-in display or too big on the external
one.

Also, in my previous email on the subject I said that almost everything
works with Linux, but was then hard pressed to say what didn't. I have,
since, remembered. Some Dell laptops have a built in
smartcard/fingerprint reader. That one is completely and hopelessly
unsupported on Linux. That was the only hardware component I failed to
make work.

Shachar
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Re: The Dell Precision M3800 Laptop

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2015-12-22 21:48 GMT+02:00 Omer Zak :
> As I said few weeks ago, I am considering the purchase of a new laptop
> to replace my current desktop PC and also serve me on the road.
>
> It was suggested to me to consider purchasing the Dell Precision M3800
> laptop.
>
> Before ordering it, I'd like to know if anyone else bought it and if
> yes, what is his/her experience. Specific questions appear below.
>
> From the reviews that I read, the laptop suffers from a battery life
> deficiency (which does not bother me). Also, the 4K display option
> causes a lot of software to display too small graphical elements.
> (see, for example:
> http://www.networkworld.com/article/2897199/opensource-subnet/review-dells-ubuntu-powered-m3800-mobile-workstation-is-a-desktop-destroyer.html).
Usually the DE has somewhere where you can tell it how high the DPI is
for your screen and it will scale elements accordingly, however this
usually won't work across the board.
DTRs aren't expected to have good battery life, they'd need to double
their weight to accomplish that.
>
> The above review also claims that the laptop works with all Linux
> distributions the author tried.
>
> The laptop has the Nvidia® Quadro® K1100M, w/ 2GB GDDR5 display card.
> According to
> http://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/69378/en-us, it works
> well with the NViDia proprietary driver.  Should I be on the lookout for
> any problems with it?
Once they support it the nVidia propriatary drivers are generally very solid.
> Is the card strong enough to drive three displays simultaneously?
The card in the CPU is strong enough to handle 3 screens, the discrete
card is a lot stronger the question is does Linux support the docking
station that you'll need to be able to accomplish a triple screen
setup.
>
> And finally, when I install Linux on the laptop, should I be careful
> when dealing with UEFI?
UEFI tends to be a pain in the *ss because it tries to 'help' you, my
most recent 'adventure' saw it emulating BIOS when booting from the
usb-disk install media which of course triggered a bios compatible
install of Linux, however it refused to boot from the harddisk in
'legacy' mode.
It took a while before I figured that out and redid the install while
booting from the usb-disk in UEFI mode...
HTH,
Eliyahu - אליהו
>
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The Dell Precision M3800 Laptop

[Omer Zak]

As I said few weeks ago, I am considering the purchase of a new laptop
to replace my current desktop PC and also serve me on the road.

It was suggested to me to consider purchasing the Dell Precision M3800
laptop.

Before ordering it, I'd like to know if anyone else bought it and if
yes, what is his/her experience. Specific questions appear below.

From the reviews that I read, the laptop suffers from a battery life
deficiency (which does not bother me). Also, the 4K display option
causes a lot of software to display too small graphical elements.
(see, for example:
http://www.networkworld.com/article/2897199/opensource-subnet/review-dells-ubuntu-powered-m3800-mobile-workstation-is-a-desktop-destroyer.html).

The above review also claims that the laptop works with all Linux
distributions the author tried.

The laptop has the Nvidia® Quadro® K1100M, w/ 2GB GDDR5 display card.
According to
http://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/69378/en-us, it works
well with the NViDia proprietary driver.  Should I be on the lookout for
any problems with it?
Is the card strong enough to drive three displays simultaneously?

And finally, when I install Linux on the laptop, should I be careful
when dealing with UEFI?

--- Omer


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Re: 4GB: was Up-to-date hardware (laptop) recommendations?

[E.S. Rosenberg]

The thing is that I don't feel a very strong need for more memory...
Of course Linux has always been way better at memory management then
the competition so that may be a factor in things...

Yes firefox has a huge memory footprint, but most of that isn't
required in main memory at any given moment and these days I guess I
stopped playing so much with movie/image editing I also think the SSD
has alleviated the need for large main memory a bit

With the SSD programs on my laptop seem to start almost
instantaneously, boot/reboot also take nothing, it used to be that I
would go get a drink while I rebooted to update the kernel or
something similar now before I manage to turn my back on the computer
it already rebooted

As far as features & prices went for the past years they did
change/improve just not so much in RAM, CPUs improved, GPUs (discrete
or integrated), chipsets, weight, screens ssds etc

Regards,
Eliyahu - אליהו

2015-12-07 18:18 GMT+02:00 Steve Litt :
> On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 13:30:07 +0200
> "E.S. Rosenberg"  wrote:
>
>> BTW has anyone noticed how long we have been 'stuck' on 4GB RAM being
>> enough memory
>
> I have.
>
> In July 2011 I bought each of my triplets a laptop they could use for
> their freshman year college in the fall of 2011. At the time it seemed
> like Moore's law was slowing down: It seemed like 4GB had been the most
> common laptop configuration for a year or two, and it had been slowly
> descending in price. I bought each of the three laptops for just under
> $400USD each.
>
> People their age are very hard on laptops. They drop them. They use
> them 10 hours a day. They use them in bed, on the blankets, where
> there's no ventilation. They stumble on the power cord and break the
> power jack. Bottom line, during the 4 years they were in college, I
> needed to buy each of them two additional laptops.
>
> During that time, I noticed prices didn't drop, nor did RAM expand at
> the same price. First there was the touchscreen thing, which seemed to
> add about $200 to the price. So 4GB laptops went up into the high
> $500's. As touchscreens came down in price, 4GB laptops seemed to
> settle in the low $400's. It was the first time I can remember two
> years passing where either features didn't get better or price get
> lower (I don't consider touchscreen a feature).
>
> One of my daughters graduated from college last June. My son graduates
> in a few days. In the last few months, I've *finally* seen the price
> per Gig of laptop RAM go down. 4G laptops have finally achieved their
> 2011 lows, and a few weeks ago Costco was featuring a 6 or 8GB laptop
> for less than $400.
>
> And of course, now laptops and desktops aren't even a commodity
> anymore: The major marketplace is the various kinds of "devices" and
> "reconfigurables". With desktops it's no big deal: It's cheap and easy
> to slam together a 16GB box. With laptops, I wonder if we'll ever get
> better than what's happening now.
>
> Moore's law is dying.
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
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4GB: was Up-to-date hardware (laptop) recommendations?

[Steve Litt]

On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 13:30:07 +0200
"E.S. Rosenberg"  wrote:

> BTW has anyone noticed how long we have been 'stuck' on 4GB RAM being
> enough memory

I have.

In July 2011 I bought each of my triplets a laptop they could use for
their freshman year college in the fall of 2011. At the time it seemed
like Moore's law was slowing down: It seemed like 4GB had been the most
common laptop configuration for a year or two, and it had been slowly
descending in price. I bought each of the three laptops for just under
$400USD each.

People their age are very hard on laptops. They drop them. They use
them 10 hours a day. They use them in bed, on the blankets, where
there's no ventilation. They stumble on the power cord and break the
power jack. Bottom line, during the 4 years they were in college, I
needed to buy each of them two additional laptops.

During that time, I noticed prices didn't drop, nor did RAM expand at
the same price. First there was the touchscreen thing, which seemed to
add about $200 to the price. So 4GB laptops went up into the high
$500's. As touchscreens came down in price, 4GB laptops seemed to
settle in the low $400's. It was the first time I can remember two
years passing where either features didn't get better or price get
lower (I don't consider touchscreen a feature).

One of my daughters graduated from college last June. My son graduates
in a few days. In the last few months, I've *finally* seen the price
per Gig of laptop RAM go down. 4G laptops have finally achieved their
2011 lows, and a few weeks ago Costco was featuring a 6 or 8GB laptop
for less than $400.

And of course, now laptops and desktops aren't even a commodity
anymore: The major marketplace is the various kinds of "devices" and
"reconfigurables". With desktops it's no big deal: It's cheap and easy
to slam together a 16GB box. With laptops, I wonder if we'll ever get
better than what's happening now.

Moore's law is dying.

SteveT

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Re: Up-to-date hardware (laptop) recommendations?

[E.S. Rosenberg]

I am not going to tell you which laptops to get since my interest goes
to a very different class (you are looking for DTR/Mobile Workstation,
I want Ultra mobile with touch), the only thing that I think does need
to be mentioned is the docking station.

You mentioned above you were considering to use one, though the laptop
hardware itself often tends to be supported well on Linux the docking
stations in my experience have tended to be the Achilles heel which
also tend to be documented way less since they are used less.

I used to also have a heavier larger laptop but once I switched to a
model that weighed less the 1.5kg there is no going back (and
generally for what I do they pack more then enough punch, I recently
replaced the HDD with an SSD and hope it will last me for another
year-2years before finally buying a new laptop by then with 8 or 16 or
more GB of RAM)

BTW has anyone noticed how long we have been 'stuck' on 4GB RAM being
enough memory

Regards,
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2015-11-30 6:23 GMT+02:00 Shachar Shemesh :
> On 29/11/15 21:02, Omer Zak wrote:
>
> (1/9) Shachar Shemesh/Roman Ovseitsev:
> Why connect internal monitor + 3 external monitors?
>
> My response:
> I was not clear in expressing my wishes.
> What I'd like to be able is to work at home with three monitors. I do
> not care if it is 3 external monitors (with disabled internal monitor)
> or 2 external monitors with an active internal monitor.
>
> Roman Ovseitsev's point about Skylake based laptop: not relevant since I
> do not need more than 3 monitors total.
>
> My laptop has a fairly basic adapter. I seem to recall, though I have no
> idea when I tried, that only two monitors simulteneously are supported. I'm
> fairly certain that this is a GPU memory issue, though, as xrandr does list
> a hefty list of potential ports (including, when docked, subdisplays of the
> display port).
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-
>
> (2/9) Shachar Shemesh:
> Recommends Dell, which has reasonable Linux support.
> Uses Dell Latitude E7440.
>
> My response:
> What does "reasonable" mean here? Are there any features not well
> supported by Linux?
> Do other models in the E7000 series have as good reputation? If yes,
> I'll check if any of them supports total of 3 displays.
>
> I can't think of anything that did not work for me, including setting the
> track pad sensitivity, controlling the built in keyboard backlight from the
> keyboard shortcut, and disabling/enabling the trackpad from the keyboard
> shortcuts. Ubuntu 15.04 with kubuntu proved somewhat unstable when
> docking/undocking (or, generally, when adding and removing the external
> monitor). If you're willing to live with "dock, set monitor state, logout
> and log in", then this is nothing serious.
>
> I've also had trouble with the external monitor going blank when docked
> sometimes. I've ended up swapping and swapping and swapping hardware with
> others in the office, eventually blaming the motherboard. Dell's support
> replaced it, and eventually the problem was resolved (it has recently came
> back, but I havn't started the hardware swapping debugging yet).
>
> So, all in all, I have not come across anything that did not work for me.
> You don't even need Windows/Dos to upgrade the BIOS. Just place the BIOS
> upgrade file (an .EXE) on the UEFI boot partition, and use the BIOS boot
> menu to select "BIOS upgrade".
>
> There are some driver bugs, but nothing serious IMHO.
>
> (5/9) Boris Shtrasman:
> How about Legacy and UEFI (or only UEFI) mode?
>
> My response:
> UEFI should be OK, but I need to disable secure boot so that I'll be
> able to upgrade Linux kernels at whim.
>
> At least Ubuntu have a signed GRUB, which means that the kernels need not be
> signed at all (which defeats the whole purpose of secure UEFI, but that's
> Microsoft's problem, not ours). My laptop does, in fact, support legacy
> boot, but I ended up using UEFI anyways (I wanted to experiment with it). I
> did end up disabling the secure UEFI boot, though I don't think I had to.
>
> One thing I did not expect was during motherboard replaement. With UEFI the
> BIOS needs to know which OSes it is booting, which means that merely
> replacing the BIOS and plugging in the same disk would not boot. The BIOS
> has Windows preconfigured, but that's no help for obvious reasons. You need
> to keep an Ubuntu DoK handy and do recovery reinstall of GRUB to get the
> machine going again.
>
> Also, Ubuntu install has great difficulty to install a legacy boot Ubuntu if
> the live DoK was booted in UEFI mode and vice versa. Keep that in mind
> during initial installation.
>
> Their standard way to crea

Re: Up-to-date hardware (laptop) recommendations?

[Shachar Shemesh]

On 29/11/15 21:02, Omer Zak wrote:
> (1/9) Shachar Shemesh/Roman Ovseitsev:
> Why connect internal monitor + 3 external monitors?
>
> My response:
> I was not clear in expressing my wishes.
> What I'd like to be able is to work at home with three monitors. I do
> not care if it is 3 external monitors (with disabled internal monitor)
> or 2 external monitors with an active internal monitor.
>
> Roman Ovseitsev's point about Skylake based laptop: not relevant since I
> do not need more than 3 monitors total.
My laptop has a fairly basic adapter. I seem to recall, though I have no
idea when I tried, that only two monitors simulteneously are supported.
I'm fairly certain that this is a GPU memory issue, though, as xrandr
does list a hefty list of potential ports (including, when docked,
subdisplays of the display port).
> -=-=-=-=-=-
>
> (2/9) Shachar Shemesh:
> Recommends Dell, which has reasonable Linux support.
> Uses Dell Latitude E7440.
>
> My response:
> What does "reasonable" mean here? Are there any features not well
> supported by Linux?
> Do other models in the E7000 series have as good reputation? If yes,
> I'll check if any of them supports total of 3 displays.
I can't think of anything that did not work for me, including setting
the track pad sensitivity, controlling the built in keyboard backlight
from the keyboard shortcut, and disabling/enabling the trackpad from the
keyboard shortcuts. Ubuntu 15.04 with kubuntu proved somewhat unstable
when docking/undocking (or, generally, when adding and removing the
external monitor). If you're willing to live with "dock, set monitor
state, logout and log in", then this is nothing serious.

I've also had trouble with the external monitor going blank when docked
sometimes. I've ended up swapping and swapping and swapping hardware
with others in the office, eventually blaming the motherboard. Dell's
support replaced it, and eventually the problem was resolved (it has
recently came back, but I havn't started the hardware swapping debugging
yet).

So, all in all, I have not come across anything that did not work for
me. You don't even need Windows/Dos to upgrade the BIOS. Just place the
BIOS upgrade file (an .EXE) on the UEFI boot partition, and use the BIOS
boot menu to select "BIOS upgrade".

There are some driver bugs, but nothing serious IMHO.
> (5/9) Boris Shtrasman:
> How about Legacy and UEFI (or only UEFI) mode?
>
> My response:
> UEFI should be OK, but I need to disable secure boot so that I'll be
> able to upgrade Linux kernels at whim.
At least Ubuntu have a signed GRUB, which means that the kernels need
not be signed at all (which defeats the whole purpose of secure UEFI,
but that's Microsoft's problem, not ours). My laptop does, in fact,
support legacy boot, but I ended up using UEFI anyways (I wanted to
experiment with it). I did end up disabling the secure UEFI boot, though
I don't think I had to.

One thing I did not expect was during motherboard replaement. With UEFI
the BIOS needs to know which OSes it is booting, which means that merely
replacing the BIOS and plugging in the same disk would not boot. The
BIOS has Windows preconfigured, but that's no help for obvious reasons.
You need to keep an Ubuntu DoK handy and do recovery reinstall of GRUB
to get the machine going again.

Also, Ubuntu install has great difficulty to install a legacy boot
Ubuntu if the live DoK was booted in UEFI mode and vice versa. Keep that
in mind during initial installation.

Their standard way to create the DoK these days is to take the ISO and
dd it on a DoK. This, suprisingly, creates a DoK that is bootable in
both legacy and UEFI mode. They managed to cram a bootloader, a UEFI
boot partition and an El Torrito boot loader in to the same image.

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Re: Up-to-date hardware (laptop) recommendations?

[Michael Shiloh]

After much consideration, I purchased a Thinkpad W541. The specific model
was important because I make heavy use of the Trackpoint(tm)  style pointer
and other newer models don't have this.

My version has a massive 2880 x 1620 pixel display, as I often have
multiple things open.

Linux install hung near the beginning the first few times, then continued
flawlessly. I was using an Ubuntu live CD I can't recall what I did to get
past the hanging.

I routinely use an external projector (college professor) and there is only
one projector at my university that sometimes gives me trouble. Lately I've
had no trouble using HDMI via the mini DP with this projector. Other
projectors seem to work fine with either VGA or mini DP.

My Thinkpad has 4 USB ports. I believe 2 of them are 3.0.

No external eSATA. I removed my DVD drive and bought an adapter to install
a second disk drive, which is solid state, on which I installed Linux. I
retained the original Windows disk as I sometimes have to work in Windows.

Happy to answer other questions about this if interested

Michael

I've never tried three monitors but I would like to. If I do I will report
back.

On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Roman Ovseitsev  wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Omer Zak  wrote:
>
>>
>> How are today's ThinkPads (which are probably different from ThinkPads
>> from years ago)?
>>
>
> There seem to be a notion for slimming down things. Less ports and no DVD
> (aka secondary HDD bay) bay anymore. Keyboard on newer models is a bit
> weird too. F keys row has been combined with media keys and
> end/insert/delete/etc keys have very unusual arrangement. But Linux seems
> to be still well supported.
> I am using T420 which probably won't fit your needs since it's a bit aged
> and can't do more than 2 monitors. But I had a chance to use their latest
> T450 model for a few days with Linux and it seemed ok with no apparent
> issues. It has x3 USB 3.0 ports, VGA + mini DP, 16GB RAM max, matte
> display, M.2 SSD slot (don't know if it can be used as boot device), and
> the rest of the usual - RJ-45, WiFi, Bluetooth, multicard reader, WWAN
> depending on the configuration. No idea about maximum supported monitors
> though.
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[Roman Ovseitsev]

On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Omer Zak  wrote:

>
> How are today's ThinkPads (which are probably different from ThinkPads
> from years ago)?
>

There seem to be a notion for slimming down things. Less ports and no DVD
(aka secondary HDD bay) bay anymore. Keyboard on newer models is a bit
weird too. F keys row has been combined with media keys and
end/insert/delete/etc keys have very unusual arrangement. But Linux seems
to be still well supported.
I am using T420 which probably won't fit your needs since it's a bit aged
and can't do more than 2 monitors. But I had a chance to use their latest
T450 model for a few days with Linux and it seemed ok with no apparent
issues. It has x3 USB 3.0 ports, VGA + mini DP, 16GB RAM max, matte
display, M.2 SSD slot (don't know if it can be used as boot device), and
the rest of the usual - RJ-45, WiFi, Bluetooth, multicard reader, WWAN
depending on the configuration. No idea about maximum supported monitors
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Re: Up-to-date hardware (laptop) recommendations?

[Omer Zak]

People replied to my message in private and to the mailing list. In the
following, I'll summarize their points and respond to them.

-=-=-=-=-=-

(1/9) Shachar Shemesh/Roman Ovseitsev:
Why connect internal monitor + 3 external monitors?

My response:
I was not clear in expressing my wishes.
What I'd like to be able is to work at home with three monitors. I do
not care if it is 3 external monitors (with disabled internal monitor)
or 2 external monitors with an active internal monitor.

Roman Ovseitsev's point about Skylake based laptop: not relevant since I
do not need more than 3 monitors total.

Thanks also to Yaron deLeeuw for the tip about looking for display port
1.2.

-=-=-=-=-=-

(2/9) Shachar Shemesh:
Recommends Dell, which has reasonable Linux support.
Uses Dell Latitude E7440.

My response:
What does "reasonable" mean here? Are there any features not well
supported by Linux?
Do other models in the E7000 series have as good reputation? If yes,
I'll check if any of them supports total of 3 displays.

-=-=-=-=-=-

(3/9) Roman Ovseitsev:
Uses ThinkPad T 14" for several years and is happy with it.

My response:
How are today's ThinkPads (which are probably different from ThinkPads
from years ago)?

-=-=-=-=-=-

(4/9) Shachar Shemesh/Roman Ovseitsev:
Latest models don't have eSATA port, relying upon USB-3 instead.

My response:
It is a pity, because (according to Wikipedia), SATA 3.2 provides
16Gbit/sec transfer speed while USB 3.1 provides only 10Gbit/sec.

-=-=-=-=-=-

(5/9) Boris Shtrasman:
How about Legacy and UEFI (or only UEFI) mode?

My response:
UEFI should be OK, but I need to disable secure boot so that I'll be
able to upgrade Linux kernels at whim.

-=-=-=-=-=-

(6/9) Boris Shtrasman:
How about vPRO / AMT?

My response:
Not relevant for me, because the laptop will be for my personal use and
not for corporate use.

-=-=-=-=-=-

(7/9) Boris Shtrasman:
USB 3 vs. USB 2?

My response:
USB 3 is not mandatory (unless needed as a substitute for missing eSATA
connections).

-=-=-=-=-=-

(8/9) Boris Shtrasman:
UMTS/4G adapter (for cellular communication)?

My response:
Prefer not to have - might shock me by unexpected cellular phone
charges.

-=-=-=-=-=-

(9/9) Service providers:
People remarked that Dell provides good service in Israel, whereas
Neupan's service is bad.

-=-=-=-=-=-

--- Omer


On Sun, 2015-11-29 at 11:05 +0200, Omer Zak wrote:
> After long time of not looking for hardware recommendations, I am again
> looking for up-to-date hardware recommendations.
> 
> This time, I'd like to buy a laptop which will serve as my main
> workhorse PC at home and outside of it.
> 
> As things look like, I would like it to have:
> - 16GB RAM.
> - Ability to connect 2-3 external displays (possibly via a docking
> station).
> - External SATA interface, with which I can connect an external hard
> disk and work with it at full speed. This is in addition to internal
> hard disk (500GB or more, capacity not critical).
> - Battery time is not critical, as I expect to work near electricity
> anyway.
> - Several USB sockets
> - WiFi
> - Wired Ethernet socket
> - Full Linux compatibility
> 
> So far someone recommended Macbook Pro with 13" display size.
> 
> Any recommended brands, models, off-brands?
> Any brands to keep away from?
> Any specs to ask for?
> Any of the above specs NOT to ask for and why?

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Re: Up-to-date hardware (laptop) recommendations?

[Shachar Shemesh]

On 29/11/15 17:42, Roman Ovseitsev wrote:
> If you need 3 external monitors on top of the internal, without
> discrete GPU the only option is a Skylake based laptop. It can pull
> off up to 5 monitors through HDMI/DP according to the spec. AFAIK
> older architectures support only 3 monitors.
> However since it just got released only a couple months back, there
> probably not that many laptops to choose from yet. If any at all.
> Mobile CPUs with better GPU are still not released so most vendors
> probably waiting for them.
> As far as Linux support for Skylake there are still some issue which
> you might want to be aware of if you decide to go down that road:
> ACPI doesn't work with some motherboards. Not an issue though if you
> don't mind disabling it in the kernel. Graphics drivers work properly
> only starting with 4.3 kernel.
>
> As for the laptop, I've been using ThinkPad T 14" line for years and
> overall the build quality, Linux support, repairability, and port
> selection are rather good. Although I think the latest models have
> eSATA port removed and come with only 3 USB ports, but I haven't checked.
Actually, my latitude also doesn't have eSATA. I think USB3 is fast
enough to not really require eSATA any more.

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Re: Up-to-date hardware (laptop) recommendations?

[Roman Ovseitsev]

If you need 3 external monitors on top of the internal, without discrete
GPU the only option is a Skylake based laptop. It can pull off up to 5
monitors through HDMI/DP according to the spec. AFAIK older architectures
support only 3 monitors.
However since it just got released only a couple months back, there
probably not that many laptops to choose from yet. If any at all. Mobile
CPUs with better GPU are still not released so most vendors probably
waiting for them.
As far as Linux support for Skylake there are still some issue which you
might want to be aware of if you decide to go down that road:
ACPI doesn't work with some motherboards. Not an issue though if you don't
mind disabling it in the kernel. Graphics drivers work properly only
starting with 4.3 kernel.

As for the laptop, I've been using ThinkPad T 14" line for years and
overall the build quality, Linux support, repairability, and port selection
are rather good. Although I think the latest models have eSATA port removed
and come with only 3 USB ports, but I haven't checked.


On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Omer Zak  wrote:

> After long time of not looking for hardware recommendations, I am again
> looking for up-to-date hardware recommendations.
>
> This time, I'd like to buy a laptop which will serve as my main
> workhorse PC at home and outside of it.
>
> As things look like, I would like it to have:
> - 16GB RAM.
> - Ability to connect 2-3 external displays (possibly via a docking
> station).
> - External SATA interface, with which I can connect an external hard
> disk and work with it at full speed. This is in addition to internal
> hard disk (500GB or more, capacity not critical).
> - Battery time is not critical, as I expect to work near electricity
> anyway.
> - Several USB sockets
> - WiFi
> - Wired Ethernet socket
> - Full Linux compatibility
>
> So far someone recommended Macbook Pro with 13" display size.
>
> Any recommended brands, models, off-brands?
> Any brands to keep away from?
> Any specs to ask for?
> Any of the above specs NOT to ask for and why?
>
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Re: Up-to-date hardware (laptop) recommendations?

[Yaron de Leeuw]

On 29 November 2015 at 15:48, Shachar Shemesh  wrote:

> On 29/11/2015 11:05, Omer Zak wrote:
>
> - Ability to connect 2-3 external displays (possibly via a docking
> station).
>
> May I ask why? Do you plan to connect the internal monitor + 3 external
> monitors simultaneously?
>
> You need to be aware that even if there are so many ports (and my
> laptop+dock does have that many ports), it does not mean you can actually
> use all of them at the same time. That is a function of several factors,
> GPU memory being possibly just one of which. A laptop with a very high end
> graphics adapter (which is what you are implicitly asking here) would be
> very expensive.
>

Regarding multiple external displays, the display port 1.2  standard
supports 'multi-stream'.
This means that some monitors allow 'daisy-chaining', and there are also
monitor hubs available [1],
so there is no 1:1 mapping between ports and monitors.

Of-course your graphics card has to support it, and the bandwidth is
limited (up to 4 1080p displays for example)[2],
and Shachar's comments about GPU memory and capabilities are correct,
but it should work  (in Linux kernels >= 3.17 )

Yaron


[1]
http://www.startech.com/AV/Displayport-Converters/Triple-Head-DisplayPort-Multi-Monitor-MST-Hub~MSTDP123DP
[2]
http://www.displayport.org/cables/driving-multiple-displays-from-a-single-displayport-output/
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Re: Up-to-date hardware (laptop) recommendations?

[Shachar Shemesh]

 

On 29/11/2015 11:05, Omer Zak wrote: 

> - Ability to connect 2-3 external displays (possibly via a docking
> station).

May I ask why? Do you plan to connect the internal monitor + 3 external
monitors simultaneously? 

You need to be aware that even if there are so many ports (and my
laptop+dock does have that many ports), it does not mean you can
actually use all of them at the same time. That is a function of several
factors, GPU memory being possibly just one of which. A laptop with a
very high end graphics adapter (which is what you are implicitly asking
here) would be very expensive. 

Aside from that, I tend to recommend Dell. They have reasonable Linux
support, and they have on site next business day three year service as a
standard for most laptops. This means that you do not have to give up
your computer for several days while waiting for it to be serviced under
warranty. This, in turn, means that you can afford to actually fix those
errors that are annoying, but not annoying enough to go without the
computer for several days. 

My laptop is Dell latitude E7440. It only supports two simultaneous
displays, but otherwise seems to check all of your boxes. 

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[Omer Zak]

After long time of not looking for hardware recommendations, I am again
looking for up-to-date hardware recommendations.

This time, I'd like to buy a laptop which will serve as my main
workhorse PC at home and outside of it.

As things look like, I would like it to have:
- 16GB RAM.
- Ability to connect 2-3 external displays (possibly via a docking
station).
- External SATA interface, with which I can connect an external hard
disk and work with it at full speed. This is in addition to internal
hard disk (500GB or more, capacity not critical).
- Battery time is not critical, as I expect to work near electricity
anyway.
- Several USB sockets
- WiFi
- Wired Ethernet socket
- Full Linux compatibility

So far someone recommended Macbook Pro with 13" display size.

Any recommended brands, models, off-brands?
Any brands to keep away from?
Any specs to ask for?
Any of the above specs NOT to ask for and why?

--- Omer


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Re: Nexus 5, Linux laptop Q's

[Alon Barzilai]

  
  

On 2/26/2014 7:29 AM, Steve G. wrote:


  
Two questions


  1.In my search for a good but cost effective phone, I think
  that Google's Nexus 5 is a very good choice.
  

Currently I am with Golan, and fairly satisfied. Do you
  know if this phone is compatible with Golan, or any of the
  other discount carriers in Israel?

  

I have a nexus 5 and I am with golan. I have the D820 variant (for
north america ) and it is working well.
the D821 is for the rest of the world, and should work too.

Alon.


  


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Re: Nexus 5, Linux laptop Q's

[vordoo]

  
  
On 2014-02-26 07:29, Steve G. wrote

  
2. I need a powerful, yet light, yet cost effective laptop
  to run statistical analyses, in either Windows or (preferably)
  Linux, 
  

Fire up an amazon ec2: calculate..., kill... It may be faster!

  
Any advice or suggestions of good makes and models to shop
  for? It used to be IBM, but I am not sure Lenovo is as Linux
  friendly.

  

I think they still are, as you are looking for an older model:
http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/detail.page?LegacyDocID=MIGR-48NT8D
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
(I have an old Lenovo Thinkpad T500, works great with linux) 

http://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/555/campaigns/xps-linux-laptop
As long as you replace their Ubuntu with Arch or Debian ;-) 

http://www.toshiba.co.uk/innovation/generic/np-linux-support/
As long as you replace their Ubuntu with Arch or Debian ;-) 

http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/16se83/anyone_have_any_reviewsexperience_with_the/
https://www.system76.com/laptops/
http://zareason.com/shop/Laptops/

As you are looking for a  bargain, just google: [linux laptop
model#] on the one you have found, and see haw it does.

Good Lock!

  


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Nexus 5, Linux laptop Q's

[Steve G.]

Two questions

1.In my search for a good but cost effective phone, I think that Google's
Nexus 5 is a very good choice.

Currently I am with Golan, and fairly satisfied. Do you know if this phone
is compatible with Golan, or any of the other discount carriers in Israel?

2. I need a powerful, yet light, yet cost effective laptop to run
statistical analyses, in either Windows or (preferably) Linux, and my
current i3 Toshiba with 3GB ram is beginning to show its age. My usual
modus operandii is to either find a discontinued laptop model (I am talking
in the US, at stores such as Best Buy, Office Depot/Max, Target) that is
offered at a low price, or buy at a discount store (TigerDirect, Walmart).
These are usually Windows computers, but if the model is old enough it has
little issues with Linux

Any advice or suggestions of good makes and models to shop for? It used to
be IBM, but I am not sure Lenovo is as Linux friendly.

Thanks,

Z.
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Re: How can I explore what is causing my laptop to not come out of suspend properly when the lid is opened?

[ronys]

You might want to check the Lenovo support website to see if they've a
BIOS/driver update for your model that addresses this issue.

Rony

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Michael Shiloh  wrote:

> For years I had been hibernating my laptop (Lenova T60 and now T61)
> instead of shutting down, and of course opening the lid did nothing until I
> pressed the power button. Besides the long amount of time it would take to
> come out of hibernation, this SEEMED to work fine, although sometimes I was
> presented with a login screen instead of an unlock screen, suggesting that
> I was booting up fresh rather than simply coming out of hibernation.
>
> Recently I've learned that suspend is quite reliable and of course much
> faster. I suspend either automatically on lid closure, or manually, and
> come out of suspend automatically when I open the lid.
>
> Occasionally, coming out of suspend fails. The power indicator light is
> on, as well as bluetooth and wifi. Wifi is even blinking occasionally, but
> I don't know what this means. The disc activity light is off.
>
> The only keys that are recognized are the "NmLk" and the little lamp that
> lights up the keyboard. I suspect these are handled by a microcontroller
> running the keyboard and not the main processor.
>
> Every other key and key combination I can think of is ignored, e.g. "Ctrl"
> "Alt" F1 etc. to get a console login.
>
> I have tried closing and reopening the lid, applying and removing external
> power, and pressing every single key, along with every combination of
> "Shift" "Ctrl" and "Alt", as well as the blue "Fn" button. Other than the
> numlock and keyboard lamp, nothing has any effect.
>
> I have tried both hibernating automatically on lid closure, and
> hibernating manually prior to lid closure. The problem seems worse when I
> hibernate automatically, but this is not a terribly scientific conclusion.
>
> I realize now that I may have been seeing the same problem when coming out
> of hibernation.
>
> I recognize that the problem may not be been caused by a problem starting
> up, but rather, due to some error while hibernating or suspending.
>
> What can I do to debug this? Any suggestions, comments, and ideas would be
> appreciated
>
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Re: How can I explore what is causing my laptop to not come out of suspend properly when the lid is opened?

[Michael Shiloh]

I forgot to mention I'm running Xubuntu 12.04 which I keep thoroughly up 
to date.


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On 06/20/2012 11:17 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote:

For years I had been hibernating my laptop (Lenova T60 and now T61)
instead of shutting down, and of course opening the lid did nothing
until I pressed the power button. Besides the long amount of time it
would take to come out of hibernation, this SEEMED to work fine,
although sometimes I was presented with a login screen instead of an
unlock screen, suggesting that I was booting up fresh rather than simply
coming out of hibernation.

Recently I've learned that suspend is quite reliable and of course much
faster. I suspend either automatically on lid closure, or manually, and
come out of suspend automatically when I open the lid.

Occasionally, coming out of suspend fails. The power indicator light is
on, as well as bluetooth and wifi. Wifi is even blinking occasionally,
but I don't know what this means. The disc activity light is off.

The only keys that are recognized are the "NmLk" and the little lamp
that lights up the keyboard. I suspect these are handled by a
microcontroller running the keyboard and not the main processor.

Every other key and key combination I can think of is ignored, e.g.
"Ctrl" "Alt" F1 etc. to get a console login.

I have tried closing and reopening the lid, applying and removing
external power, and pressing every single key, along with every
combination of "Shift" "Ctrl" and "Alt", as well as the blue "Fn"
button. Other than the numlock and keyboard lamp, nothing has any effect.

I have tried both hibernating automatically on lid closure, and
hibernating manually prior to lid closure. The problem seems worse when
I hibernate automatically, but this is not a terribly scientific
conclusion.

I realize now that I may have been seeing the same problem when coming
out of hibernation.

I recognize that the problem may not be been caused by a problem
starting up, but rather, due to some error while hibernating or suspending.

What can I do to debug this? Any suggestions, comments, and ideas would
be appreciated

Michael


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How can I explore what is causing my laptop to not come out of suspend properly when the lid is opened?

[Michael Shiloh]

For years I had been hibernating my laptop (Lenova T60 and now T61) 
instead of shutting down, and of course opening the lid did nothing 
until I pressed the power button. Besides the long amount of time it 
would take to come out of hibernation, this SEEMED to work fine, 
although sometimes I was presented with a login screen instead of an 
unlock screen, suggesting that I was booting up fresh rather than simply 
coming out of hibernation.


Recently I've learned that suspend is quite reliable and of course much 
faster. I suspend either automatically on lid closure, or manually, and 
come out of suspend automatically when I open the lid.


Occasionally, coming out of suspend fails. The power indicator light is 
on, as well as bluetooth and wifi. Wifi is even blinking occasionally, 
but I don't know what this means. The disc activity light is off.


The only keys that are recognized are the "NmLk" and the little lamp 
that lights up the keyboard. I suspect these are handled by a 
microcontroller running the keyboard and not the main processor.


Every other key and key combination I can think of is ignored, e.g. 
"Ctrl" "Alt" F1 etc. to get a console login.


I have tried closing and reopening the lid, applying and removing 
external power, and pressing every single key, along with every 
combination of "Shift" "Ctrl" and "Alt", as well as the blue "Fn" 
button. Other than the numlock and keyboard lamp, nothing has any effect.


I have tried both hibernating automatically on lid closure, and 
hibernating manually prior to lid closure. The problem seems worse when 
I hibernate automatically, but this is not a terribly scientific conclusion.


I realize now that I may have been seeing the same problem when coming 
out of hibernation.


I recognize that the problem may not be been caused by a problem 
starting up, but rather, due to some error while hibernating or suspending.


What can I do to debug this? Any suggestions, comments, and ideas would 
be appreciated


Michael

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Re: Laptop

[Dotan Cohen]

2010/9/3 Steve G. :
> Second, some bank accounts require it to
> fully function.

Which bank accounts are those?


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Re: Laptop

[Steve G.]

I would run windows under linux, if I had a working installation of
windows... I was in the past unable to make ANY windows distro run under
virtualization, even with a legal install disk and license number. I no
longer have handy access to windows. Buying it outright is worse than not
worth it...

Z.

On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 6:06 AM, Stan Goodman wrote:

> At 11:59:22 on Friday Friday 03 September 2010, Shlomi Fish
>  wrote:
> > On Friday 03 September 2010 06:04:59 Steve G. wrote:
> > > My 4+ year old Macbook is dying a slow death, and I am contemplating
> > > getting a new laptop and would like your advice. Here are the
> > > parameters:
> > >
> > >
> > >-  My environment is Linux, Ubuntu for the last 2-3 years, and I
> > > would like to have it available to me on the laptop if I can. I have
> > > little use for either Mac OS-X or Windows as far as actually making
> > > much use of the software, beyond vary basic usage (iTunes, VLC,
> > > etc.). Linux is a different story.
> > >
> > >
> > >-  I have several reasons to buy a Windows 7 machine. First, I
> > > have a Magellan GPS that only works with Windows. Second, some bank
> > > accounts require it to fully function. Third, I can get a lot more
> > > computer for the money with Wintel than with Apple. Last, Ubuntu
> > > Laptops with the latest hardware may or may not work.
> > >
> > >
> > >- So, I am thinking about getting a 64x, core i3 laptop from
> > > Toshiba or Dell. These are available with 13-15" screen, 250-350GB HD
> > > (I think IDE, some are Sata but more expensive), 3-4GB RAM. In
> > > theory, at least, these can be virtualized, and I should be able to
> > > run either vmware, xen, virtual box or whatever client MS provides
> > > for free. One can get core i3 for around $500
> > >
> > > So here are my questions:
> > >
> > > 1. Does anyone know if Win7 includes a virtualization program that
> > > would allow me to run Linux under it? How efficient is it - will I be
> > > able to put it on full screen, forget I am running Windows, and use
> > > my preferred environment?
> >
> > I don't know if it "includes" anything like that, but you can always
> > install something like the open-source VirtualBox:
> >
> > http://www.virtualbox.org/
>
> You could even (what am I saying?) run Linux on the machine, and run
> Windows under VirtualBox for your GPS.
>
> > I've been using VirtualBox happily on top of Linux. There's also VMware
> > which isn't free or gratis and other solutions.
> >
> > > 2. Any recommendations for something that is fully compatible with
> > > Linux, in case I get an alternative and can get rid of the windows
> > > part?
> >
> > I bought this Acer laptop:
> >
> > http://www.shlomifish.org/meta/FAQ/#computers-specs
> >
> > "Acer Aspire 5738DZG" and it works perfectly fine with Mandriva Linux
> > 2010.1 (most everything I've tried there works, with a few minor
> > glitches), though it's a relatively old model - Dual Core.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >   Shlomi Fish
>
>
>
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Re: Laptop

[Stan Goodman]

At 11:59:22 on Friday Friday 03 September 2010, Shlomi Fish 
 wrote:
> On Friday 03 September 2010 06:04:59 Steve G. wrote:
> > My 4+ year old Macbook is dying a slow death, and I am contemplating
> > getting a new laptop and would like your advice. Here are the
> > parameters:
> >
> >
> >-  My environment is Linux, Ubuntu for the last 2-3 years, and I
> > would like to have it available to me on the laptop if I can. I have
> > little use for either Mac OS-X or Windows as far as actually making
> > much use of the software, beyond vary basic usage (iTunes, VLC,
> > etc.). Linux is a different story.
> >
> >
> >-  I have several reasons to buy a Windows 7 machine. First, I
> > have a Magellan GPS that only works with Windows. Second, some bank
> > accounts require it to fully function. Third, I can get a lot more
> > computer for the money with Wintel than with Apple. Last, Ubuntu
> > Laptops with the latest hardware may or may not work.
> >
> >
> >- So, I am thinking about getting a 64x, core i3 laptop from
> > Toshiba or Dell. These are available with 13-15" screen, 250-350GB HD
> > (I think IDE, some are Sata but more expensive), 3-4GB RAM. In
> > theory, at least, these can be virtualized, and I should be able to
> > run either vmware, xen, virtual box or whatever client MS provides
> > for free. One can get core i3 for around $500
> >
> > So here are my questions:
> >
> > 1. Does anyone know if Win7 includes a virtualization program that
> > would allow me to run Linux under it? How efficient is it - will I be
> > able to put it on full screen, forget I am running Windows, and use
> > my preferred environment?
>
> I don't know if it "includes" anything like that, but you can always
> install something like the open-source VirtualBox:
>
> http://www.virtualbox.org/

You could even (what am I saying?) run Linux on the machine, and run 
Windows under VirtualBox for your GPS.

> I've been using VirtualBox happily on top of Linux. There's also VMware
> which isn't free or gratis and other solutions.
>
> > 2. Any recommendations for something that is fully compatible with
> > Linux, in case I get an alternative and can get rid of the windows
> > part?
>
> I bought this Acer laptop:
>
> http://www.shlomifish.org/meta/FAQ/#computers-specs
>
> "Acer Aspire 5738DZG" and it works perfectly fine with Mandriva Linux
> 2010.1 (most everything I've tried there works, with a few minor
> glitches), though it's a relatively old model - Dual Core.
>
> Regards,
>
>   Shlomi Fish



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RE: Laptop

[ronys]

Re which laptop, this is an interesting data point:
http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7851?hq_e=el
<http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7851?hq_e=el&hq_m=1065883&hq_l=3&hq_v=392d56542
1> &hq_m=1065883&hq_l=3&hq_v=392d565421 
Re virtualization, I recommend the free & open source VirtualBox, which
works fine under Win7.
http://www.virtualbox.org/
 
Good luck,
 
Rony
 
 
 

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From: linux-il-boun...@cs.huji.ac.il [mailto:linux-il-boun...@cs.huji.ac.il]
On Behalf Of Steve G.
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:05 AM
To: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Subject: Laptop


My 4+ year old Macbook is dying a slow death, and I am contemplating getting
a new laptop and would like your advice. Here are the parameters:



*My environment is Linux, Ubuntu for the last 2-3 years, and I would
like to have it available to me on the laptop if I can. I have little use
for either Mac OS-X or Windows as far as actually making much use of the
software, beyond vary basic usage (iTunes, VLC, etc.). Linux is a different
story.


*I have several reasons to buy a Windows 7 machine. First, I have a
Magellan GPS that only works with Windows. Second, some bank accounts
require it to fully function. Third, I can get a lot more computer for the
money with Wintel than with Apple. Last, Ubuntu Laptops with the latest
hardware may or may not work. 

*   So, I am thinking about getting a 64x, core i3 laptop from Toshiba
or Dell. These are available with 13-15" screen, 250-350GB HD (I think IDE,
some are Sata but more expensive), 3-4GB RAM. In theory, at least, these can
be virtualized, and I should be able to run either vmware, xen, virtual box
or whatever client MS provides for free. One can get core i3 for around $500


So here are my questions:

1. Does anyone know if Win7 includes a virtualization program that would
allow me to run Linux under it? How efficient is it - will I be able to put
it on full screen, forget I am running Windows, and use my preferred
environment?

2. Any recommendations for something that is fully compatible with Linux, in
case I get an alternative and can get rid of the windows part?

3. Any other advice?

Thanks!

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Re: Laptop

[Shlomi Fish]

On Friday 03 September 2010 06:04:59 Steve G. wrote:
> My 4+ year old Macbook is dying a slow death, and I am contemplating
> getting a new laptop and would like your advice. Here are the parameters:
> 
> 
>-  My environment is Linux, Ubuntu for the last 2-3 years, and I would
>like to have it available to me on the laptop if I can. I have little
> use for either Mac OS-X or Windows as far as actually making much use of
> the software, beyond vary basic usage (iTunes, VLC, etc.). Linux is a
> different story.
> 
> 
>-  I have several reasons to buy a Windows 7 machine. First, I have a
>Magellan GPS that only works with Windows. Second, some bank accounts
>require it to fully function. Third, I can get a lot more computer for
> the money with Wintel than with Apple. Last, Ubuntu Laptops with the
> latest hardware may or may not work.
> 
> 
>    - So, I am thinking about getting a 64x, core i3 laptop from Toshiba or
>Dell. These are available with 13-15" screen, 250-350GB HD (I think IDE,
>some are Sata but more expensive), 3-4GB RAM. In theory, at least, these
> can be virtualized, and I should be able to run either vmware, xen,
> virtual box or whatever client MS provides for free. One can get core i3
> for around $500
> 
> So here are my questions:
> 
> 1. Does anyone know if Win7 includes a virtualization program that would
> allow me to run Linux under it? How efficient is it - will I be able to put
> it on full screen, forget I am running Windows, and use my preferred
> environment?
> 

I don't know if it "includes" anything like that, but you can always install 
something like the open-source VirtualBox:

http://www.virtualbox.org/

I've been using VirtualBox happily on top of Linux. There's also VMware which 
isn't free or gratis and other solutions.

> 2. Any recommendations for something that is fully compatible with Linux,
> in case I get an alternative and can get rid of the windows part?
> 

I bought this Acer laptop:

http://www.shlomifish.org/meta/FAQ/#computers-specs

"Acer Aspire 5738DZG" and it works perfectly fine with Mandriva Linux 2010.1 
(most everything I've tried there works, with a few minor glitches), though 
it's a relatively old model - Dual Core. 

Regards,

Shlomi Fish

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Laptop

[Steve G.]

My 4+ year old Macbook is dying a slow death, and I am contemplating getting
a new laptop and would like your advice. Here are the parameters:


   -  My environment is Linux, Ubuntu for the last 2-3 years, and I would
   like to have it available to me on the laptop if I can. I have little use
   for either Mac OS-X or Windows as far as actually making much use of the
   software, beyond vary basic usage (iTunes, VLC, etc.). Linux is a different
   story.


   -  I have several reasons to buy a Windows 7 machine. First, I have a
   Magellan GPS that only works with Windows. Second, some bank accounts
   require it to fully function. Third, I can get a lot more computer for the
   money with Wintel than with Apple. Last, Ubuntu Laptops with the latest
   hardware may or may not work.


   - So, I am thinking about getting a 64x, core i3 laptop from Toshiba or
   Dell. These are available with 13-15" screen, 250-350GB HD (I think IDE,
   some are Sata but more expensive), 3-4GB RAM. In theory, at least, these can
   be virtualized, and I should be able to run either vmware, xen, virtual box
   or whatever client MS provides for free. One can get core i3 for around $500

So here are my questions:

1. Does anyone know if Win7 includes a virtualization program that would
allow me to run Linux under it? How efficient is it - will I be able to put
it on full screen, forget I am running Windows, and use my preferred
environment?

2. Any recommendations for something that is fully compatible with Linux, in
case I get an alternative and can get rid of the windows part?

3. Any other advice?

Thanks!

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Re: fic ce268 laptop

[geoffrey mendelson]

On Aug 14, 2010, at 11:58 PM, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:


Hi all,

I am considering buying a FIC CE268 laptop, and would like to get  
reviews

about it from current users of it.



There is also one called the JumPC which is about the same price. I  
don't know much about it, except it was sold originally in toy stores,  
so it was aimed at a younger market. From the pictures I saw of it, it  
was more rugged than your average cheap netbook. Before you buy it,  
you may want to check out if it runs linux, it comes with Windows/XP.


Both have small, lo-res screens.

If money is less of a concern, there are three to consider. I have an  
MSI Wind U100 (there is an improved model out now). Paid over 2000  
NIS, but it is bigger (10 inch LED screen 1024x600), has a decent  
sized keyboard in is very well built. I've never run it more than 3  
hours on at a time on the batteries, but if you spin down the hard  
drive, etc, it will last for at least 6 if you buy the 6 cell battery  
version. I run a BSD variant on mine.


The newer netbooks (again in the 2k NIS region) have better graphic  
chips than the older ones. The older ones have Intel 950's, these have  
better ones I think they are Intel GMA  3500's. Check before you buy.


There is a dual core ATOM processor, and there are netbooks in the  
pipeline that have them. The only one I have seen so far cost almost  
3000 NIS, but I expect that they will replace the single core ones in  
a few months, both in availability and price.


Geoff.
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Re: fic ce268 laptop

[Hetz Ben Hamo]

Hi Didi,

4 words: Stay away from this!

The machine is based on an old VIA CPU and chipset. The fan makes *tons* of
noise, and you might burn your laps, since it's power management sucks.
5 hours battery life? sure, if you shut down the screen and the hard disk.

I remember reading about a similar machine (they all have the same part,
same build, same design, just different lables). It is *utterly slow* piece
of junk. It's webcam really sucks and skype (specially the latest one for
linux) will crawl with it. How slow is this machine? try this: Celeron
600Mhz is way faster.

I would not recommend buying this. If you're going to buy a netbook, buy
something with an Atom processor that has good battery life. Today, the
average ASUS or MSI netbooks with Atom can achieve about 10 hours from the
battery (9 cells), and they can run Skype well and you'll get
full compatibility for all the hardware inside with any modern Linux
distribution, be it Ubuntu, Fedora, RHEL/CentOS, SuSE, Mandriva etc..

It costs more, around 2.5 times more (depending on your negotiation skills
with the seller), but as an owner of Asus eee 1000HE I can say it worth
every Shekel and it saved me couple of times. I just came back from Zefat
and surfed the net on the bus going to Zefat and back home without any
charge, and that include 3G connectivity and charging my E72 from the
netbook. Not bad..

Hetz

2010/8/14 Yedidyah Bar-David 

> Hi all,
>
> I am considering buying a FIC CE268 laptop, and would like to get reviews
> about it from current users of it.
>
> It's a low-profile "netbook", costs 699 NIS in officedepot:
> http://www.fic.com.tw/product/ce268.aspx
>
> http://officedepot.co.il/catalog/catalogSku.do?id=4236592&pr=QJ5&N=2%2032937&sgID=10
>
> Does it work well? Is all the hardware working well? Sound? USB? Webcam?
> Wireless? How long does the battery hold?
>
> Does it seem to have reasonable quality? Can I expect it to work for more
> than the 1 year warranty they provide?
>
> What distribution of linux does it arrive with? Does it support Hebrew
> well (i.e. as well as other current common distros)?
>
> Is the webcam giving good pictures in linux? I recently used two different
> USB webcams that worked well in Windows and in linux did work rather well
> but gave a too dark image, with no apparent solution.
>
> Does it work well in skype? That is, like a faster "normal" linux PC?
>
> Is the keyboard comfortable enough for touch-typing? I do not expect to
> type a lot on it, thogh.
>
> Does it run hot after several hours of use?
>
> Suggestions from current users of other similar small/cheap
> laptops/netbooks that are easily bought in a store in Israel with local
> support/warranty are also welcome.
>
> TIA,
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fic ce268 laptop

[Yedidyah Bar-David]

Hi all,

I am considering buying a FIC CE268 laptop, and would like to get reviews
about it from current users of it.

It's a low-profile "netbook", costs 699 NIS in officedepot:
http://www.fic.com.tw/product/ce268.aspx
http://officedepot.co.il/catalog/catalogSku.do?id=4236592&pr=QJ5&N=2%2032937&sgID=10

Does it work well? Is all the hardware working well? Sound? USB? Webcam?
Wireless? How long does the battery hold?

Does it seem to have reasonable quality? Can I expect it to work for more
than the 1 year warranty they provide?

What distribution of linux does it arrive with? Does it support Hebrew
well (i.e. as well as other current common distros)?

Is the webcam giving good pictures in linux? I recently used two different
USB webcams that worked well in Windows and in linux did work rather well
but gave a too dark image, with no apparent solution.

Does it work well in skype? That is, like a faster "normal" linux PC?

Is the keyboard comfortable enough for touch-typing? I do not expect to
type a lot on it, thogh.

Does it run hot after several hours of use?

Suggestions from current users of other similar small/cheap
laptops/netbooks that are easily bought in a store in Israel with local
support/warranty are also welcome.

TIA,
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[HEBREW] Thanks to all those who helped me with WiFi on my laptop few weeks ago

[Omer Zak]

בהנגשת כנס אוגוסט פינגווין 2010 לאנשים עם מוגבלויות, זכיתי לשיתוף פעולה
מאנשים רבים וכאן המקום להגיד לכולם תודה.

ארגון "בקול", באמצעות דברת נוטמן, העמיד לרשותי מערכת FM עבור
כבדי שמיעה.
התנאים היו כאלה שאיפשרו ביטול ברגע האחרון וללא קנס במידה ולא
יבואו כבדי
שמיעה לכנס, מה שקרה במציאות.
כמו כן, יצר הארגון, באמצעות מאיה לזינגר, קשר ביני ובין קלדניות.

מירי ישראל הקלידה את הנאמר בהרצאות ועשתה עבודה טובה.
הקלדניות טלי פרדקין ואסנת צרפתי הסכימו להיות גיבוי למקרה שמירי
תיאלץ
לבטל ברגע האחרון, מה שלמזלנו לא קרה.

ממכון וייצמן זכיתי לכל שיתוף הפעולה שהיה דרוש לי - רותי שהרבני
קישרה
אותי עם יבגני פישגנג.
יבגני פישגנג מצידו קיבל בסבלנות את כל בלבולי המוח שלי.  עשינו
סיור מקדים
באולם.  תיאמתי איתו נגישות למפלס התחתון עבור מישהו בכסא גלגלים.
 יום
לפני הכנס תיאמתי איתו שינויים בתוכניות.  בבוקר הכנס הוא הזדרז
להביא לי
שולחן למקום המוסכם, כך שברגע שההרצאות התחילו, הקלדנית יכלה כבר
להתחיל
לעבוד.

ליאור קפלן סייע בידי איפה שעזרתו היתה דרושה ויכל לעזור.  אני
מקווה שלא
העמסתי עליו יותר מדי בבקשות העזרה ממנו.
רם-און אגמון סייע בגיוס אגרסיבי של מתנדבים לליווי עוורים כשלא
הצלחתי
בעצמי למצוא כאלה.
שלומי פיש ומשה נחמיאס התנדבו ללוות עוורת שבאה לכנס.
עמית ארונוביץ' התנדב לסייר באולם במידה ויתעורר הצורך בבירור
פרטים
נוספים.  בסופו של דבר לא הייתי צריך להעזר בו.

עדו קנר סייע בהכנת הקלדניות ע"י כך ששלח לי את ההרצאה שלו בקובץ
לפני
הכנס.  הוצאתי מההרצאה רשימת מונחים והעברתי את הרשימה לקלדניות
כדי שיכירו
אותם.

דבר אחד העיב על הצלחת המאמץ להנגיש את הכנס לאנשים עם מוגבלויות:
 לא
התאפשר לנו בסופו של דבר להשתמש ב-IRC להזרמת תמליל ההרצאות בזמן
אמת לכל
המעוניינים.  אבל זה ממילא היה במעמד של Nice to have, כך שזה לא
היה אסון
גדול.  עם זאת, בהכנות כדי לאפשר שימוש ב-IRC היו מעורבים אנשים
רבים.  אני
מקווה שבאוגוסט פינגווין 2011 כבר נוכל לקטוף את פירות המאמץ הזה.

מכיוון שלא התעסקתי כמעט עם רשתות אלחוטיות, נזקקתי להדרכה בדברים
בסיסיים.
ג'פרי מנדלסון ובמיוחד שרה פינק מרשימת התפוצה Linux-IL הדריכו
אותי בנבכי
ה-WiFi.  הגדיל לעשות תום גורן שנתן לי בחינם כרטיס PC Card אלחוטי
שמתאים
ללאפטופ שלי.

לאחר שהצלחתי להשמיש את הכרטיס האלחוטי בלאפטופ שלי, היה צורך
לבחור
בטכנולוגיה מתאימה להזרמת תמליל ההרצאות.  אחרי ההחלטה ללכת על
IRC, היה גם
צורך לבחור בתוכנת קליינט מתאימה.  הנושא זכה להתעניינות, דיון
ועצות
ברשימת התפוצה discussi...@hamakor.org.il.  אני מודה למשתתפים
הבאים על
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אורון פלד, מיטל בורבין, משה נחמיאס, נדב הראל, עירא אברמוב, צפריר
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שחר ריינדל, ותומר כהן.

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Re: Missing firmware file when installing Debian Squeeze on my laptop

[Omer Zak]

On Mon, 2010-07-12 at 20:32 +0300, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
> Tzafrir Cohen  writes:
> 
> >> I know nothing about Ubuntu, 
> >
> > But Omer asked about Debian.
> 
> Hmm... I was still at work, so I couldn't be drunk... The only
> reasonable conclusion is that I should work less... Omer - apologies.

No offense was taken.  :-)

> I remember using those tg drivers in the past so I was surprised to
> hear of the need to load firmware from external media. I never had to
> do anything like that installing Linux, and I always thought it was a
> Windows "feature" (fond memories of, e.g., QLogic HBA firmware are
> quietly melting away to a melancholic tune). I find|grepped the kernel
> source to check my sanity and it was there...
> 
> So, it's a Debian thing then? They remove such stuff from the kernel -
> even though it is in the vanilla tree - because it is binary? Right?

Yes and no.
Starting from Squeeze, they are very strict about separating Free from
non-Free stuff when it comes to firmware loading.

> Can one install Debian on a computer with such a card if the firmware
> needs to be downloaded (i.e., there is no DoK with it and it is not on
> the instalation media) and there is no other computer to access the
> net with? Just curious.

>From my experience - NO.  Otherwise, I'd not have to deal with missing
firmware at all.

>From my understanding of Debian, you would need to have an installation
CD-ROM, which includes packages with the non-Free firmware.

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Re: Missing firmware file when installing Debian Squeeze on my laptop

[Oleg Goldshmidt]

Tzafrir Cohen  writes:

>> I know nothing about Ubuntu, 
>
> But Omer asked about Debian.

Hmm... I was still at work, so I couldn't be drunk... The only
reasonable conclusion is that I should work less... Omer - apologies.

I remember using those tg drivers in the past so I was surprised to
hear of the need to load firmware from external media. I never had to
do anything like that installing Linux, and I always thought it was a
Windows "feature" (fond memories of, e.g., QLogic HBA firmware are
quietly melting away to a melancholic tune). I find|grepped the kernel
source to check my sanity and it was there...

So, it's a Debian thing then? They remove such stuff from the kernel -
even though it is in the vanilla tree - because it is binary? Right?

Can one install Debian on a computer with such a card if the firmware
needs to be downloaded (i.e., there is no DoK with it and it is not on
the instalation media) and there is no other computer to access the
net with? Just curious.

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Re: Missing firmware file when installing Debian Squeeze on my laptop

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 06:10:08PM +0300, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Omer Zak  wrote:
> > I am now in midst of clean install of Debian Squeeze on my old laptop,
> > from a netinst CD.
> >
> > Since the laptop has a Broadcom network card, before installing the base
> > system, the Debian Squeeze installer says that it needs the
> > tigon/tg3_tso5.bin firmware.
> > The installer offers to load it from a removable storage device and I
> > have a DiskOnKey which can be used for this purpose.
> >
> > Questions:
> > 1. Where to obtain the file
> > 2. And in which format?

Omer asked those two question, but later on answered them (and also
provided a link to the page from the installation manual with the
answer).

> 
> I know nothing about Ubuntu, 

But Omer asked about Debian.

> so maybe I am way off target. However,
> such firmware normally comes with the kernel, e.g.,
> 
> http://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v2.6.34.1/firmware/tigon/
> 
> What am I missing? Some ideological stance on behalf of Ubuntu 

Debian

> that
> dictates removing things from the kernel because they are binary,
> etc.? What happens if you just put the files on your DoK?

Read Omer's mail and see :-)

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Re: WiFi PC Card for a laptop?

[Omer Zak]

Hello Sara,

My laptop has two USB 1.1 ports (no USB 2.0), so USB WiFi adapter won't
do :-(
However, I would consider a PC Card which serves as USB hub together
with an USB WiFi adapter.

Does such a symbiote exist and work well with Linux?
Where could I try such a combination before buying hardware?

Thanks,
--- Omer


On Sun, 2010-07-11 at 16:36 +0300, sara fink wrote:
> would you be interested in a usb card? 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Omer Zak  wrote:
>     I have a laptop without built-in WiFi adapter.
> However it has a PC Card socket.
> 
> Now I encountered the need to equip it with WiFi access.
> 
> What is the collective recommendation for a PC Card WiFi
> adapter?
> It must work well with Debian Lenny and should work with
> Debian Squeeze
> (no driver stuff withdrawn due to licensing issues, for
> example).

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Re: Missing firmware file when installing Debian Squeeze on my laptop

[Oleg Goldshmidt]

On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Omer Zak  wrote:
> I am now in midst of clean install of Debian Squeeze on my old laptop,
> from a netinst CD.
>
> Since the laptop has a Broadcom network card, before installing the base
> system, the Debian Squeeze installer says that it needs the
> tigon/tg3_tso5.bin firmware.
> The installer offers to load it from a removable storage device and I
> have a DiskOnKey which can be used for this purpose.
>
> Questions:
> 1. Where to obtain the file
> 2. And in which format?

I know nothing about Ubuntu, so maybe I am way off target. However,
such firmware normally comes with the kernel, e.g.,

http://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v2.6.34.1/firmware/tigon/

What am I missing? Some ideological stance on behalf of Ubuntu that
dictates removing things from the kernel because they are binary,
etc.? What happens if you just put the files on your DoK?

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Missing firmware file when installing Debian Squeeze on my laptop

[Omer Zak]

I am now in midst of clean install of Debian Squeeze on my old laptop,
from a netinst CD.

Since the laptop has a Broadcom network card, before installing the base
system, the Debian Squeeze installer says that it needs the
tigon/tg3_tso5.bin firmware.
The installer offers to load it from a removable storage device and I
have a DiskOnKey which can be used for this purpose.

Questions:
1. Where to obtain the file
2. And in which format?

The URL http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/ch06s04.html.en
contains the needed information.
I downloaded (using my desktop PC) the zip file firmware.zip from
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/squeeze/current/
and according to dpkg -I, the package
firmware-linux-nonfree_0.25_all.deb, contained in the ZIP file, contains
the needed file.

This answers the first question - where to obtain the missing firmware
file.

Copying firmware-linux-nonfree_0.25_all.deb to the root directory of a
DiskOnKey and inserting the DiskOnKey into one of the USB ports in the
laptop, when requested by the installer, solved the problem.

This answers the second question - in which format to present the
missing firmware file to the installer.

--- Omer


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Re: WiFi PC Card for a laptop?

[sara fink]

would you be interested in a usb card?

On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Omer Zak  wrote:

> I have a laptop without built-in WiFi adapter.
> However it has a PC Card socket.
>
> Now I encountered the need to equip it with WiFi access.
>
> What is the collective recommendation for a PC Card WiFi adapter?
> It must work well with Debian Lenny and should work with Debian Squeeze
> (no driver stuff withdrawn due to licensing issues, for example).
>
> Thanks,
> --- Omer Zak
>
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WiFi PC Card for a laptop?

[Omer Zak]

I have a laptop without built-in WiFi adapter.
However it has a PC Card socket.

Now I encountered the need to equip it with WiFi access.

What is the collective recommendation for a PC Card WiFi adapter?
It must work well with Debian Lenny and should work with Debian Squeeze
(no driver stuff withdrawn due to licensing issues, for example).

Thanks,
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Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux

[Boris Shtrasman]

Boaz Rymland wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
> Can anyone provide feedback on the following Acer laptop, or any other
> Acer Linux based laptops? (Interestingly, searching for "linux" word
> in laptop section in zap.co.il shows almost exclusively only Acer
> results: http://zap.co.il/models.aspx?sog=C-PCLaptop&keyword=linux).
> In specific - how well all hardware goodies work in linux - power
> management/scaling, wifi, bluetooth, card reader, X, etc etc...
>
>
> The model is *Acer Aspire AS5738Z-422G25MN*. It comes with Intel Dual
> Core T4200 and Intel GMA 4500.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Boaz.
>
I had access for several Acer based laptops (the Asprie 51XX Aspire).


As for wifi:

The model started with broadcom chipset that work relatively ok , now
Acer switched to Atheros

Both are supported but when using new kernels the power usage is high
and there are lots of deassoactions (the 3 timeouts isuue)  only with
Atheros.

AFAIK it related only to the kernel (never used windows so don't know).

Kernels 2.6.30 , 2.6.31


The worst thing in thous laptops is the Graphics:

When there is use of the RS48X until few months ago there was no support
for the 3D acceleration.

Also there still lots of bugs in the X when using it (Hangups , memory
of the last picture etc).

X version 7.4+4


Bluetooth.

The one that came with blue tooth dongle works fine.


Card reader:

After 2.6.22 work fine.


Multimedia keys:

Works using acerhk (don't use it in 2.6.30! there is a bug that hangs).


WebCam:

I can say in one word it is a BUG.

There is use of gspca drivers (RE based driver) there bugs in it (Kernel
tempting , power usage etc).


Battery:

The worst thing in the laptop , died after 4 months (twice) don't know
if it is only mine bad experience but should be noted.


Plastics:

In the Aspire series there are the "chrom" colored laptops,

Do to wear and tear the color falls off (And it isn't under the warranty).

Nasty but not so bad.


The text is for :


Acer Aspire 5102 , 5102 WLMI , 5100).

The 5102 Wlmi had been in the laboratory 7 or 8 times in less then a year.

Problems (hardware) that i noticed :

Battery (died)

Hard drive (the electronic card died)


very important thing with it who will give you the warranty test it
before beyng.

When my laptop died (each time) i had to call a lawyer to make them fix it.

In the end i got a new laptop (from the box).


Hope this is ok.

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Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux

[Oron Peled]

On Friday, 4 בSeptember 2009 20:43:22 Diego Iastrubni wrote:
> On יום ראשון 30 אוגוסט 2009 11:36:03 Oron Peled wrote:
> > I also make sure that the people who sell stuff will know *why* I
> > chose their hardware
> 
> While I do tend to agree with what you say... who are those "people"? Is it 
> the poor salesman who gets payed 22nis/h for seeling on office depot? or the 
> supplier/vendor?

Anyone I encounter along the food chain -- the poor salesman,
the "technician" that brings the stuff from the back-office, etc.

Each of these people may look insignificant to you, but each of them
is a computer  "expert" to a wide circle of even more clueless customers,
friends and neighbors

As weird as it may sound to you, they have a lot of effect the non-tech
"public opinions" (don't buy graphic cards from X/Y/Z, their products
gets hot/cold/swine-flue, their drivers suck, etc, etc.)

Let's get them, one at a time...

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Re: [SOLVED?] Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux

[Michael Shiloh]

Boaz Rymland wrote:

Michael Shiloh wrote:
I'd love to know if the Arduino IDE and FTDI USB serial port drivers 
function properly. Do you have an Arduino, or can you borrow one from 
someone to test?
Possibly I have one - I just need to know how it looks like to figure 
that out :-)
What's that? This?: http://www.arduino.cc/ . 



Yes, that's it.


If so, then I don't have one. If you have that thing and want me to plug 
it into the USB, mail me

privately to see if its possible.


Will do.

Michael

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Re: [SOLVED?] Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux

[Boaz Rymland]

Michael Shiloh wrote:
I'd love to know if the Arduino IDE and FTDI USB serial port drivers 
function properly. Do you have an Arduino, or can you borrow one from 
someone to test?
Possibly I have one - I just need to know how it looks like to figure 
that out :-)

What's that? This?: http://www.arduino.cc/ . If so, then I don't have one.

If you have that thing and want me to plug it into the USB, mail me 
privately to see if its possible.


Boaz.



Of course the first part (Arduino IDE) can be downloaded for free and 
tested.


IIRC Ubuntu 9.04 includes the FTDI driver already.

Thanks!
Michael

Boaz Rymland wrote:



Hi all,


So I made the move and bought it. Here are my findings:


*Maker + Model:* Acer 5738ZG. That's a little upgraded in comparison 
to the original model suggested - with 4GB RAM and NVIDIA GPU. The 
rest of the specs are the same.


*Distro Installed: *Ubuntu 9.04, amd64.*
*

*Wifi:* worked out of the box (atheros).

*Touchpad:* Worked out of the box, but disabling it and then trying 
to enable it - it is not enabled, until X (or was it machine?) 
restart. Anybody got a link for a solution?


*Card Reader:* Worked out of the box, at least with SD card (didn't 
try other types).


*X: *This laptop model is equipped with NVIDIA G105M chipset. I 
didn't work out of the box: ubuntu installed its latest nvidia 
drivers but those were too old to know this card. When vesa or some 
other default driver was used, X run, but not in optimal resolution 
and no acceleration. I battled it too much apparently and all you 
need to do is install the latest drivers from nvidia (185), skipping 
the ubuntu repos driver, and use a nice(?) xorg.conf I've found on 
the web (for laptops with my GPU/screen specs).


*Power management:* with the nvidia driver mentioned above used, 
power management worked perfectly. I configured my laptop to do as I 
wish upon lead closing (for AC/battery) and it works smoothly. CPU 
Scaling was also perfectly supported.


*Bluetooth? *not on this model.  just ordered a tiny BT USB dongle. 
Hope that it works... .


*WebCam:* not working out of the box. Haven't really tried setting it 
up yet.


*Sound:* worked out of the box.

*Anything else? *mail me for questions... .


Boaz.


Boaz Rymland wrote:


Hi all,


Can anyone provide feedback on the following Acer laptop, or any 
other Acer Linux based laptops? (Interestingly, searching for 
"linux" word in laptop section in zap.co.il shows almost exclusively 
only Acer results: 
http://zap.co.il/models.aspx?sog=C-PCLaptop&keyword=linux 
<http://zap.co.il/models.aspx?sog=C-PCLaptop&keyword=linux>). In 
specific - how well all hardware goodies work in linux - power 
management/scaling, wifi, bluetooth, card reader, X, etc etc...



The model is *Acer Aspire AS5738Z-422G25MN*. It comes with Intel 
Dual Core T4200 and Intel GMA 4500.



Thanks,

Boaz.





 
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Re: [SOLVED?] Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux

[Michael Shiloh]

I'd love to know if the Arduino IDE and FTDI USB serial port drivers 
function properly. Do you have an Arduino, or can you borrow one from 
someone to test?


Of course the first part (Arduino IDE) can be downloaded for free and 
tested.


IIRC Ubuntu 9.04 includes the FTDI driver already.

Thanks!
Michael

Boaz Rymland wrote:



Hi all,


So I made the move and bought it. Here are my findings:


*Maker + Model:* Acer 5738ZG. That's a little upgraded in comparison to 
the original model suggested - with 4GB RAM and NVIDIA GPU. The rest of 
the specs are the same.


*Distro Installed: *Ubuntu 9.04, amd64.*
*

*Wifi:* worked out of the box (atheros).

*Touchpad:* Worked out of the box, but disabling it and then trying to 
enable it - it is not enabled, until X (or was it machine?) restart. 
Anybody got a link for a solution?


*Card Reader:* Worked out of the box, at least with SD card (didn't try 
other types).


*X: *This laptop model is equipped with NVIDIA G105M chipset. I didn't 
work out of the box: ubuntu installed its latest nvidia drivers but 
those were too old to know this card. When vesa or some other default 
driver was used, X run, but not in optimal resolution and no 
acceleration. I battled it too much apparently and all you need to do is 
install the latest drivers from nvidia (185), skipping the ubuntu repos 
driver, and use a nice(?) xorg.conf I've found on the web (for laptops 
with my GPU/screen specs).


*Power management:* with the nvidia driver mentioned above used, power 
management worked perfectly. I configured my laptop to do as I wish upon 
lead closing (for AC/battery) and it works smoothly. CPU Scaling was 
also perfectly supported.


*Bluetooth? *not on this model.  just ordered a tiny BT USB dongle. Hope 
that it works... .


*WebCam:* not working out of the box. Haven't really tried setting it up 
yet.


*Sound:* worked out of the box.

*Anything else? *mail me for questions... .


Boaz.


Boaz Rymland wrote:


Hi all,


Can anyone provide feedback on the following Acer laptop, or any other 
Acer Linux based laptops? (Interestingly, searching for "linux" word 
in laptop section in zap.co.il shows almost exclusively only Acer 
results: http://zap.co.il/models.aspx?sog=C-PCLaptop&keyword=linux 
<http://zap.co.il/models.aspx?sog=C-PCLaptop&keyword=linux>). In 
specific - how well all hardware goodies work in linux - power 
management/scaling, wifi, bluetooth, card reader, X, etc etc...



The model is *Acer Aspire AS5738Z-422G25MN*. It comes with Intel Dual 
Core T4200 and Intel GMA 4500.



Thanks,

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Re: [SOLVED?] Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux

[Boaz Rymland]

Steve Litt wrote:


On Friday 04 September 2009 02:19:23 Boaz Rymland wrote:
[clip]
  

*Maker + Model:* Acer 5738ZG. That's a little upgraded in comparison to
the original model suggested - with 4GB RAM and NVIDIA GPU. The rest of
the specs are the same.

*Distro Installed: *Ubuntu 9.04, amd64.*


[clip]
  

*X: *This laptop model is equipped with NVIDIA G105M chipset. I didn't
work out of the box: ubuntu installed its latest nvidia drivers but
those were too old to know this card. When vesa or some other default
driver was used, X run, but not in optimal resolution and no
acceleration. I battled it too much apparently and all you need to do is
install the latest drivers from nvidia (185), skipping the ubuntu repos
driver, and use a nice(?) xorg.conf I've found on the web (for laptops
with my GPU/screen specs).


[clip]
  

*Anything else? *mail me for questions... .



I'd like to see you post exactly what you did in order to get X running. Where 
did you get the drivers? Where in your filesystem did you put them? How did you 
tell Ubuntu's package manager they were custom? Did you alter System-

More details on getting X to work:

At first I tried to use ubuntu's (System->Administration->Hardware 
drivers) identification of the hardware that would typically result in 
suggestion to use nvidia propriety drivers. It did, and I went with it 
suggestion. Version 180 (IIRC) of the nvidia drivers was installed but 
all It didn't work - I got corrupted 6 windows instead of one nice 
LED-lit screen :-)


Next, I realized and saw on the web (and docs) that version 180 of the 
drivers do not support my relatively new GPU. I decided to give "nv" 
drivers a shot. I'm not a gamer anyhow. nv didn't work nice with my 
screen - I failed to see the full resolution of it. Maybe I could have 
make it work with nv, but I saw it simply takes too much time so...


After sawing on nvnews.net (forums) that my GPU is supported (beta? 
don't recall) in version 185 of the drivers (which is to this time the 
latest stable nvidia release of drivers for linux) I decided to install it.
You download a nice binary from their site. Its a self contained 
installer that you just need to run as root. There's a wizard there that 
collects your answers and preferences, and does the rest, including all. 
Ubuntu package manager on the laptop is not aware of this package. 
That's the downside of course. Note that their installer installed 
binaries all over the system, installs a kernel module, overwrites (asks 
permission to) your xorg.conf and more, so its quite obtrusive. But, 
AFAIK their installer job-quality is ok and has an uninstall feature 
that actually works (as far as I can recall from the past).
Like mentioned before I still downloaded an xorg.conf suggested on 
nvnews.net forums and only after using it everything worked ok. Mail me 
if you need it.


cest tout.
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Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux

[Diego Iastrubni]

On יום ראשון 30 אוגוסט 2009 11:36:03 Oron Peled wrote:
> I normally follow your original method -- put some effort *before* buying
> to have an idea about good/problematic hardware. I also make sure
> that the people who sell stuff will know *why* I chose their hardware
> (because its vendor is cooperating with the Linux community and as
> a result the hardware just work out of the box).

While I do tend to agree with what you say... who are those "people"? Is it 
the poor salesman who gets payed 22nis/h for seeling on office depot? or the 
supplier/vendor?

If you are molesting a poor kid, please see this: http://xkcd.com/225/

If you are actually talking about the vendors, how are you exactly contanting 
them? I am sure they would like to hear happy customers. 

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Re: [SOLVED?] Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux

[Boaz Rymland]

IMHO, that should be the standard practice for open source minded people 
(and in general - non-commercial mindset people), even if not zealously 
practiced.



Boaz.


Steve Litt wrote:


On Friday 04 September 2009 02:19:23 Boaz Rymland wrote:
[clip]
  

*Maker + Model:* Acer 5738ZG. That's a little upgraded in comparison to
the original model suggested - with 4GB RAM and NVIDIA GPU. The rest of
the specs are the same.

*Distro Installed: *Ubuntu 9.04, amd64.*


[clip]
  

*X: *This laptop model is equipped with NVIDIA G105M chipset. I didn't
work out of the box: ubuntu installed its latest nvidia drivers but
those were too old to know this card. When vesa or some other default
driver was used, X run, but not in optimal resolution and no
acceleration. I battled it too much apparently and all you need to do is
install the latest drivers from nvidia (185), skipping the ubuntu repos
driver, and use a nice(?) xorg.conf I've found on the web (for laptops
with my GPU/screen specs).


[clip]
  

*Anything else? *mail me for questions... .



I'd like to see you post exactly what you did in order to get X running. Where 
did you get the drivers? Where in your filesystem did you put them? How did you 
tell Ubuntu's package manager they were custom? Did you alter System-
  

Administration->software_sources? What's the URL of the xorg.conf?



The process you used is a somewhat generic solution to the ongoing problem of 
video hardware that's newer than the distribution.


I REALLY appreciate the fact that you took the time to post your [SOLVED] 
solution. When googling for error messages, I typically get 50 questions for 
every answer. Most people, upon answering it for themselves, don't consider 
others trying to walk the same path.


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Re: [SOLVED?] Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux

[Steve Litt]

On Friday 04 September 2009 02:19:23 Boaz Rymland wrote:
[clip]
> *Maker + Model:* Acer 5738ZG. That's a little upgraded in comparison to
> the original model suggested - with 4GB RAM and NVIDIA GPU. The rest of
> the specs are the same.
>
> *Distro Installed: *Ubuntu 9.04, amd64.*
[clip]
> *X: *This laptop model is equipped with NVIDIA G105M chipset. I didn't
> work out of the box: ubuntu installed its latest nvidia drivers but
> those were too old to know this card. When vesa or some other default
> driver was used, X run, but not in optimal resolution and no
> acceleration. I battled it too much apparently and all you need to do is
> install the latest drivers from nvidia (185), skipping the ubuntu repos
> driver, and use a nice(?) xorg.conf I've found on the web (for laptops
> with my GPU/screen specs).
[clip]
> *Anything else? *mail me for questions... .

I'd like to see you post exactly what you did in order to get X running. Where 
did you get the drivers? Where in your filesystem did you put them? How did you 
tell Ubuntu's package manager they were custom? Did you alter System-
>Administration->software_sources? What's the URL of the xorg.conf?

The process you used is a somewhat generic solution to the ongoing problem of 
video hardware that's newer than the distribution.

I REALLY appreciate the fact that you took the time to post your [SOLVED] 
solution. When googling for error messages, I typically get 50 questions for 
every answer. Most people, upon answering it for themselves, don't consider 
others trying to walk the same path.

Thanks

SteveT

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Re: [SOLVED?] Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux

[Omer Zak]

On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 09:19 +0300, Boaz Rymland wrote:

> WebCam: not working out of the box. Haven't really tried setting it up
> yet. 

>From my limited experience, the gspca driver (for several Webcam models)
does not work nicely with NViDia proprietary drivers.

For my new desktop PC (which I already ordered and should receive next
week), I specified an ATI display card.

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[SOLVED?] Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux

[Boaz Rymland]

Hi all,


So I made the move and bought it. Here are my findings:


*Maker + Model:* Acer 5738ZG. That's a little upgraded in comparison to 
the original model suggested - with 4GB RAM and NVIDIA GPU. The rest of 
the specs are the same.


*Distro Installed: *Ubuntu 9.04, amd64.*
*

*Wifi:* worked out of the box (atheros).

*Touchpad:* Worked out of the box, but disabling it and then trying to 
enable it - it is not enabled, until X (or was it machine?) restart. 
Anybody got a link for a solution?


*Card Reader:* Worked out of the box, at least with SD card (didn't try 
other types).


*X: *This laptop model is equipped with NVIDIA G105M chipset. I didn't 
work out of the box: ubuntu installed its latest nvidia drivers but 
those were too old to know this card. When vesa or some other default 
driver was used, X run, but not in optimal resolution and no 
acceleration. I battled it too much apparently and all you need to do is 
install the latest drivers from nvidia (185), skipping the ubuntu repos 
driver, and use a nice(?) xorg.conf I've found on the web (for laptops 
with my GPU/screen specs).


*Power management:* with the nvidia driver mentioned above used, power 
management worked perfectly. I configured my laptop to do as I wish upon 
lead closing (for AC/battery) and it works smoothly. CPU Scaling was 
also perfectly supported.


*Bluetooth? *not on this model.  just ordered a tiny BT USB dongle. Hope 
that it works... .


*WebCam:* not working out of the box. Haven't really tried setting it up 
yet.


*Sound:* worked out of the box.

*Anything else? *mail me for questions... .


Boaz.


Boaz Rymland wrote:


Hi all,


Can anyone provide feedback on the following Acer laptop, or any other 
Acer Linux based laptops? (Interestingly, searching for "linux" word 
in laptop section in zap.co.il shows almost exclusively only Acer 
results: http://zap.co.il/models.aspx?sog=C-PCLaptop&keyword=linux). 
In specific - how well all hardware goodies work in linux - power 
management/scaling, wifi, bluetooth, card reader, X, etc etc...



The model is *Acer Aspire AS5738Z-422G25MN*. It comes with Intel Dual 
Core T4200 and Intel GMA 4500.



Thanks,

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Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux

[Boris shtrasman]

Boaz Rymland wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
> Can anyone provide feedback on the following Acer laptop, or any other
> Acer Linux based laptops? (Interestingly, searching for "linux" word
> in laptop section in zap.co.il shows almost exclusively only Acer
> results: http://zap.co.il/models.aspx?sog=C-PCLaptop&keyword=linux).
> In specific - how well all hardware goodies work in linux - power
> management/scaling, wifi, bluetooth, card reader, X, etc etc...
>
>
> The model is *Acer Aspire AS5738Z-422G25MN*. It comes with Intel Dual
> Core T4200 and Intel GMA 4500.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Boaz.
>
I had access for several Acer based laptops (the Asprie 51XX Aspire).


As for wifi:

The model started with broadcom chipset that work relatively ok , now
Acer switched to Atheros

Both are supported but when using new kernels the power usage is high
and there are lots of deassoactions (the 3 timeouts isuue)  only with
Atheros.

AFAIK it related only to the kernel (never used windows so don't know).

Kernels 2.6.30 , 2.6.31


The worst thing in thous laptops is the Graphics:

When there is use of the RS48X until few months ago there was no support
for the 3D acceleration.

Also there still lots of bugs in the X when using it (Hangups , memory
of the last picture etc).

X version 7.4+4


Bluetooth.

The one that came with blue tooth dongle works fine.


Card reader:

After 2.6.22 work fine.


Multimedia keys:

Works using acerhk (don't use it in 2.6.30! there is a bug that hangs).


WebCam:

I can say in one word it is a BUG.

There is use of gspca drivers (RE based driver) there bugs in it (Kernel
tempting , power usage etc).


Battery:

The worst thing in the laptop , died after 4 months (twice) don't know
if it is only mine bad experience but should be noted.


Plastics:

In the Aspire series there are the "chrom" colored laptops,

Do to wear and tear the color falls off (And it isn't under the warranty).

Nasty but not so bad.


The text is for :


Acer Aspire 5102 , 5102 WLMI , 5100).

The 5102 Wlmi had been in the laboratory 7 or 8 times in less then a year.

Problems (hardware) that i noticed :

Battery (died)

Hard drive (the electronic card died)


very important thing with it who will give you the warranty test it
before beyng.

When my laptop died (each time) i had to call a lawyer to make them fix it.

In the end i got a new laptop (from the box).


Hope this is ok.

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Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux

[Oron Peled]

On Sunday, 30 בAugust 2009 10:15:51 Boaz Rymland wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:06:43 +0300, Oron Peled  wrote:
> > Just a general warning (don't know if it applies to this specific model).
> > Many devices on the market with Linux pre-installed have some binary
> > components that make them worthless -- install your own version and
> > many important features will stop working.
>
> and isn't there a way, if it can be generalized at all, to: get a linux
> preinstalled laptop, install your own linux, then install the manufacturer
> packages/updates separately? Alternatively, can one, with little effort,
> collect those binaries from his pre-installed linux prior to installing
> other linux and put them on the new installation? (I guess this can be
> done, but the question is how much resources are needed to fully move all).

Obviously the amount of effort to do this depends on many factors and may
range from trivial to a major pain -- and because there's no source for these
components, the help you can get from other people is also limited.

I normally follow your original method -- put some effort *before* buying
to have an idea about good/problematic hardware. I also make sure
that the people who sell stuff will know *why* I chose their hardware
(because its vendor is cooperating with the Linux community and as
a result the hardware just work out of the box).

As I haven't checked any of the recent netbook offerings, I cannot give
any specific advice -- sorry. However, it would be very nice if you share
your experience with the rest of us after you buy.

Bye,

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Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux

[Boaz Rymland]

On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:06:43 +0300, Oron Peled  wrote:
> On Sunday, 30 בAugust 2009 07:52:18 Boaz Rymland wrote:
>> ... or, go "for sure" on the Linux pre-installed ones.
> 
> Just a general warning (don't know if it applies to this specific model).
> Many devices on the market with Linux pre-installed have some binary
> components that make them worthless -- install your own version and
> many important features will stop working.

and isn't there a way, if it can be generalized at all, to: get a linux
preinstalled laptop, install your own linux, then install the manufacturer
packages/updates separately? Alternatively, can one, with little effort,
collect those binaries from his pre-installed linux prior to installing
other linux and put them on the new installation? (I guess this can be
done, but the question is how much resources are needed to fully move all).

Thanks,
Boaz.

> 
> As an example you can take all netbooks with Intel GMA-500 graphics
chipset
> 
> (Poulsbo) which needs binary blobs to function. AFAIK, many of Dell's
> netbooks
> are equipped with this chipset, so although they are pre-installed with
> Ubuntu
> your install/upgrade options are very restricted.
> 
> This is an example of really bad move from Intel who otherwise has
> excellent
> free software support for its hardware.

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Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux

[Oron Peled]

On Sunday, 30 בAugust 2009 07:52:18 Boaz Rymland wrote:
> ... or, go "for sure" on the Linux pre-installed ones.

Just a general warning (don't know if it applies to this specific model).
Many devices on the market with Linux pre-installed have some binary
components that make them worthless -- install your own version and
many important features will stop working.

As an example you can take all netbooks with Intel GMA-500 graphics chipset 
(Poulsbo) which needs binary blobs to function. AFAIK, many of Dell's netbooks
are equipped with this chipset, so although they are pre-installed with Ubuntu
your install/upgrade options are very restricted.

This is an example of really bad move from Intel who otherwise has excellent
free software support for its hardware.

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Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux

[Boaz Rymland]

Thanks for the input.


The Linux powered Acer laptop comes with Linpus as far as I can tell. I 
see in Zap other Acers with Linux but searching the net I see my 
targeted model powered with Linpus as well (In India, for example).


I still contemplate on whether to go with the Windows powered model, 
which offers several goodies over the somewhat older Linux ones (like 
HDMI, DDR-III RAM, LED display) and hope all would work, or, go "for 
sure" on the Linux pre-installed ones. The two options cost very similar 
here.



Boaz.



Steve Litt wrote:


On Saturday 29 August 2009 16:52:49 Boaz Rymland wrote:
  

Hi all,


Can anyone provide feedback on the following Acer laptop, or any other
Acer Linux based laptops? (Interestingly, searching for "linux" word in
laptop section in zap.co.il shows almost exclusively only Acer results:
http://zap.co.il/models.aspx?sog=C-PCLaptop&keyword=linux).



My Acer Aspire 5102WLMi runs Ubuntu 64 bit 9.04 very well.

  

In specific
- how well all hardware goodies work in linux - power
management/scaling, 



I never noticed, but I know the hard disk stops spinning and the screen goes 
black after a few minutes.


  
wifi, 



Beautifully. Atheros is a thing of beauty.

  
bluetooth, card reader, 



I never use those so I can't say.

  

X



Beautifully with one exception. It does NOT work with most video projectors in 
X. Neither does my other Linux laptop. The fonts are very nice on the LCD 
screen.


  

, etc etc...



Sound works very nicely. Flash specific sites work just fine. I haven't used the 
built in webcam.


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Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux

[Noam Rathaus]

Hi Steve,

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Saturday 29 August 2009 16:52:49 Boaz Rymland wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> Can anyone provide feedback on the following Acer laptop, or any other
>> Acer Linux based laptops? (Interestingly, searching for "linux" word in
>> laptop section in zap.co.il shows almost exclusively only Acer results:
>> http://zap.co.il/models.aspx?sog=C-PCLaptop&keyword=linux).
>
> My Acer Aspire 5102WLMi runs Ubuntu 64 bit 9.04 very well.
>
>> In specific
>> - how well all hardware goodies work in linux - power
>> management/scaling,
>
> I never noticed, but I know the hard disk stops spinning and the screen goes
> black after a few minutes.
>
>> wifi,
>
> Beautifully. Atheros is a thing of beauty.
>
>> bluetooth, card reader,
>
> I never use those so I can't say.
>
>> X
>
> Beautifully with one exception. It does NOT work with most video projectors in
> X. Neither does my other Linux laptop. The fonts are very nice on the LCD
> screen.



Can you give more details, this is a crucial feature... what doesn't
work exactly?



>
>> , etc etc...
>
> Sound works very nicely. Flash specific sites work just fine. I haven't used 
> the
> built in webcam.
>
> SteveT
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Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux

[Steve Litt]

On Saturday 29 August 2009 16:52:49 Boaz Rymland wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
> Can anyone provide feedback on the following Acer laptop, or any other
> Acer Linux based laptops? (Interestingly, searching for "linux" word in
> laptop section in zap.co.il shows almost exclusively only Acer results:
> http://zap.co.il/models.aspx?sog=C-PCLaptop&keyword=linux).

My Acer Aspire 5102WLMi runs Ubuntu 64 bit 9.04 very well.

> In specific
> - how well all hardware goodies work in linux - power
> management/scaling, 

I never noticed, but I know the hard disk stops spinning and the screen goes 
black after a few minutes.

> wifi, 

Beautifully. Atheros is a thing of beauty.

> bluetooth, card reader, 

I never use those so I can't say.

> X

Beautifully with one exception. It does NOT work with most video projectors in 
X. Neither does my other Linux laptop. The fonts are very nice on the LCD 
screen.

> , etc etc...

Sound works very nicely. Flash specific sites work just fine. I haven't used 
the 
built in webcam.

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Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux

[Boaz Rymland]

Hi all,


Can anyone provide feedback on the following Acer laptop, or any other 
Acer Linux based laptops? (Interestingly, searching for "linux" word in 
laptop section in zap.co.il shows almost exclusively only Acer results: 
http://zap.co.il/models.aspx?sog=C-PCLaptop&keyword=linux). In specific 
- how well all hardware goodies work in linux - power 
management/scaling, wifi, bluetooth, card reader, X, etc etc...



The model is *Acer Aspire AS5738Z-422G25MN*. It comes with Intel Dual 
Core T4200 and Intel GMA 4500.



Thanks,

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Re: Compaq Presaro Laptop

[geoffrey mendelson]

On Jul 6, 2009, at 8:02 PM, mbrace7for...@aim.com wrote:


Specifications

4GB Hard Disk 128 MB Ram, hard disk is partitioned 2.5 Gb and 1.5.Gb.

I got given this little old laptop it runs Windows XP Pro very well  
indeed. It works Office 2000 programmes OK. I am thinking of  
replacing it with a Linux distro. Any ideas on this all welcome!


Obviously heavy graphics is not the use. I won't upgrade the HD or  
RAM there is however a USB socket, and it gets onto the Internet  
with ease and speed via the Siemens Router.




UBUNTU 9.04 Netbook Respin. Just be advised that Ubuntu in general  
suffers from the same disease that Fedora suffers from, the desire to  
update everything everyday, with minimal testing. You can download it  
as a live CD or a USB memory stick image, so you can try it without  
changing the harddrive.


RHEL or one of it's free clones if you want something stable, but 4g  
may be too small for a workstation loaded with programs.


Note that if it has an 802.11B Wifi card and everyone else on the same  
network is using 802.11G,  or 802.11N, you will be slowing them down  
and if they figure out it is you, they may not be happy.


Geoff.



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Compaq Presaro Laptop

[mbrace7forums]

Specifications 

4GB Hard Disk 128 MB Ram, hard disk is partitioned 2.5 Gb and 1.5.Gb.

I got given this little old laptop it runs Windows XP Pro very well indeed. It 
works Office 2000 programmes OK. I am thinking of replacing it with a Linux 
distro. Any ideas on this all welcome!

Obviously heavy graphics is not the use. I won't upgrade the HD or RAM there is 
however a USB socket, and it gets onto the Internet with ease and speed via the 
Siemens Router. 

Moshe
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Re: [Off topic] Engraving Hebrew on US laptop keyboard

[Micha Feigin]

On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:31:45 +0300
Dotan Cohen  wrote:

> > 1. Engraving Hebrew on keyboard
> 
> I actually just painted the keyboard letter keys black, so there are
> no English or Hebrew letters! Now my laptop is less usable to thieves,
> and my typing speed has increased dramatically.
> 
> > 2. Service/warranty
> >
> 
> Dell told me that I would have no warranty on my Inspiron, and in fact
> I did not try to get the laptop serviced at all despite having some
> problems. I think that IBM (now Lenovo) had a worldwide warranty
> program once, designed for business travelers.
> 

On T and X models you can expand you standard 1 year warranty to an
international 3 year one. Some places already sell it with the international
warranty, they are not always aware of it though and where it is honored
depends on the specific model (you can check on the lenovo site based on model
number and serial number). Didn't try to service a model supposedly not covered
in Israel to see if they still honor it though.

By the way, if you are buying a thinkpad in the states and have a about 3-5
weeks advance notice, it can be a lot cheaper ordering directly from lenovo as
you can customize your laptop quite a bit and cut costs on things that you
don't want.

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Re: [Off topic] Engraving Hebrew on US laptop keyboard

[Micha Feigin]

On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 05:44:33 +0300
Alexander Indenbaum  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> This is off topic, still probably crowd here has relevant experience, so ...
> 
> I'm considering bringing Sony laptop from US. My main concerns are:
> 1. Engraving Hebrew on keyboard

Asked at some stores at the time. Around 140nis. didn't do it as I blind type
hebrew and not so much at that. Annoys my wife though, but so does the linux on
it ...

> 2. Service/warranty
> 

Horrible, terrible, horrendous. Unless things changed any, I brought a Sony
from the states a few years back, the cpu burned (bad cooling or something). I
took it to ישפאר, don't  remembered how much they charged for checking the
problem, I do remember that their prices were higher than anyone else though,
but they didn't know how to repair it and told me that I have to send it to the
states. In any case at least at the time they weren't official importers
according to them and Sony and thus didn't honor international warranty, only
theirs. I ended up sending the laptop to the states. The support was no use at
all, officials bounced me around and didn't bother returning promised replies.
They ended up charging 250$ to fix it under warranty + 140$ ups + vat.

> Does anyone has a pointer or recommendation about (1). How could
> provide such service in Israel?
> Does anyone has an experience servicing laptops purchased in US in
> Israel (probably by ישפאר)?

Like I said, hoping it's a model ישפאר knows they will charge you an arm and a
leg for it and won't honor international warranty. Otherwise they will tell you
to send it back to the states.

I don't know if mac camera cover sony, I used them for the thinkpad I brought a
year or so ago (from B&H at the time, who don't use them any more I'm afraid).
Tried using them on some problem with the thinkpad but it turns out that it has
an international warranty (they claimed it doesn't) and that IBM Israel honors
the international warranty, took them a week but they repaired both problems
with no fuss.

Current thinkpads are not as good as they used to be, but if you want warranty
and reliability then they are a much better option then Sony. Go only for the T
or X series though.
If I'm not mistaken apples are also good for that purpose (I can ask again but
a if I'm not mistaken a friend of mine got some spares for his power supply
under the international warranty with no issues)

Not sure if I would bother with anthing other then macs and thinkpads these
days (again, note that thinkpads, not other lenvos, specifically only t and x
models)

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Re: [Off topic] Engraving Hebrew on US laptop keyboard

[Dotan Cohen]

> Been there several times.
> Good service.
> Make sure the order specifies:
>  Size of engraving, font, color.
>  They even have sample layouts in several languages.
>

Thanks, Moish. I just asked how much it would cost to change the
Windows key into a Tux key.

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Re: [Off topic] Engraving Hebrew on US laptop keyboard

[Moish]

http://www.pcgraph.co.il/

Been there several times.
Good service.
Make sure the order specifies:
  Size of engraving, font, color.
  They even have sample layouts in several languages.

Moish


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Re: [Off topic] Engraving Hebrew on US laptop keyboard

[Dotan Cohen]

> So far, about 6 months of not very heavy use and the stickers are as
> good as new - you can hardly tell that there are stickers on the keys.
> I think they were bought at Bug but I don't have a package for
> reference.
>

Bah, Bug is an expensive Windows shop. If someone outside Israel needs
the stickers, mail me and I'll buy them at the university store and
mail them. Tell me if you prefer stickers for black or white
keyboards.

> An engraving would probably last longer, in the very long run...
>

Certainly.

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Re: [Off topic] Engraving Hebrew on US laptop keyboard

[Amos Shapira]

2009/6/2 Alexander Indenbaum 
>
> Hello,
>
> This is off topic, still probably crowd here has relevant experience, so ...
>
> I'm considering bringing Sony laptop from US. My main concerns are:
> 1. Engraving Hebrew on keyboard

I got sets of stickers sent to me from Israel and they work great on
my keyboards (both white on black and vice-versa).

So far, about 6 months of not very heavy use and the stickers are as
good as new - you can hardly tell that there are stickers on the keys.
I think they were bought at Bug but I don't have a package for
reference.

An engraving would probably last longer, in the very long run...

--Amos

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Re: [Off topic] Engraving Hebrew on US laptop keyboard

[Dotan Cohen]

> 1. Engraving Hebrew on keyboard

I actually just painted the keyboard letter keys black, so there are
no English or Hebrew letters! Now my laptop is less usable to thieves,
and my typing speed has increased dramatically.

> 2. Service/warranty
>

Dell told me that I would have no warranty on my Inspiron, and in fact
I did not try to get the laptop serviced at all despite having some
problems. I think that IBM (now Lenovo) had a worldwide warranty
program once, designed for business travelers.

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Re: [Off topic] Engraving Hebrew on US laptop keyboard

[Alex Shnitman]

Kasir Graf (http://www.kasirgraf.co.il/), in southern Tel Aviv (near the 
central bus station) -- 100 NIS, 20 minutes and you have a Hebrew keyboard. I 
was very satisfied. There's also another company in Holon, can't remember their 
name but Google will find it quickly.




- Original Message 
From: Alexander Indenbaum 
To: linux-il List 
Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 5:44:33 AM
Subject: [Off topic] Engraving Hebrew on US laptop keyboard

Hello,

This is off topic, still probably crowd here has relevant experience, so ...

I'm considering bringing Sony laptop from US. My main concerns are:
1. Engraving Hebrew on keyboard
2. Service/warranty

Does anyone has a pointer or recommendation about (1). How could
provide such service in Israel?
Does anyone has an experience servicing laptops purchased in US in
Israel (probably by ישפאר)?

~baum

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Re: [Off topic] Engraving Hebrew on US laptop keyboard

[Shahar Dag]

Hello

As for warranty, go to www.mackcam.com. they sell international warranty.
You can buy a warranty to things that you buy (including computers) within 
30 day for purches and be covered world wile (read the agreement, sometime 
you get the cost of the repair back and sometime you are served in places 
they have an agreement with)
I know people are using it for Nikon cameras that they buy in the USA and 
are not covered by the local dealer.


Shahar
- Original Message - 
From: "Leonid Podolny" 
To: "Alexander Indenbaum" ; 


Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Off topic] Engraving Hebrew on US laptop keyboard



Does anyone has an experience servicing laptops purchased in US in
Israel (probably by ישפאר)?


I considered it a year and a half ago, so I just called the Israel
representatives of all laptop manufacturers I could think of. Sony
were the only ones that plainly said that I will not get any warranty
service. Most of the others claimed that they will fully respect the
warranty.
This could already have changed, so you should just call them (or
others, if you decide to get other brand).

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Re: [Off topic] Engraving Hebrew on US laptop keyboard

[Shachar Shemesh]

Alexander Indenbaum wrote:

Hello,

This is off topic, still probably crowd here has relevant experience, so ...

I'm considering bringing Sony laptop from US. My main concerns are:
1. Engraving Hebrew on keyboard
2. Service/warranty

Does anyone has a pointer or recommendation about (1). How could
provide such service in Israel?
Does anyone has an experience servicing laptops purchased in US in
Israel (probably by ישפאר)?

~baum

  
I had a Dell which was bought in France[1] (with a French azerty 
keyboard). I bought the luminous keyboard stickers, which sort of did 
the job (the most used keys faded to white after about three months, but 
it was still better than seeing azerty). After about half a year they 
keyboard broke. I took it to one of the Dell support centers, and got it 
fixed under warranty without a hitch. Unlike the Israeli warranty, which 
was same day, they only promised five work days, but still I did not 
have to pay for the fix. Same goes several months later when the battery 
and CD malfunctioned (the battery was dead, and the CD would not burn). 
The batter was replaced a week before its warranty expired.


It is also worth mentioning that the keyboard was fixed by replacing it 
with a new one. Needless to say, the new keyboard was a Hebrew/qwerty 
keyboard, so that was another problem solved.


Shachar

[1] - http://blog.shemesh.biz/?p=517

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Re: [Off topic] Engraving Hebrew on US laptop keyboard

[sara fink]

Regarding engraving on the keyboard hebrew, I know there is someone in
tel aviv which does it for around 100 nis. I didn't do it, but if you
want I know someone who did and I can ask the phone number. As for the
warranty, sony indeed are nasty in this field. Try to ask them if you
bring it with international warranty what will they do in such a case.
They have european warranty which you can repair only in europe, usa
warranty.

On 6/2/09, Alexander Indenbaum  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> This is off topic, still probably crowd here has relevant experience, so ...
>
> I'm considering bringing Sony laptop from US. My main concerns are:
> 1. Engraving Hebrew on keyboard
> 2. Service/warranty
>
> Does anyone has a pointer or recommendation about (1). How could
> provide such service in Israel?
> Does anyone has an experience servicing laptops purchased in US in
> Israel (probably by ישפאר)?
>
> ~baum
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Re: [Off topic] Engraving Hebrew on US laptop keyboard

[Boris shtrasman]

Alexander Indenbaum wrote:
> Hello,
>
> This is off topic, still probably crowd here has relevant experience, so ...
>
> I'm considering bringing Sony laptop from US. My main concerns are:
> 1. Engraving Hebrew on keyboard
> 2. Service/warranty
>
> Does anyone has a pointer or recommendation about (1). How could
> provide such service in Israel?
> Does anyone has an experience servicing laptops purchased in US in
> Israel (probably by ישפאר)?
>
>   
I have experience with HP laptops bought in Thailand , Acer bought here.

HP was fixed and parts was replaced free of charge (under warranty) (CPM
in Tel Aviv),
Acer laptops are much more problematic even with Israeli bought laptops
(Newpan Ashdod).

Note , that in many countries the battery and plastic parts are under
the warranty , while in Israel most off the time it is not.
Since the battery get a special warranty (shorter) and the plastic parts
get no warranty at all.

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Re: [Off topic] Engraving Hebrew on US laptop keyboard

[geoffrey mendelson]

On Jun 2, 2009, at 7:59 AM, Leonid Podolny wrote:


Does anyone has an experience servicing laptops purchased in US in
Israel (probably by ישפאר)?


I considered it a year and a half ago, so I just called the Israel
representatives of all laptop manufacturers I could think of. Sony
were the only ones that plainly said that I will not get any warranty
service. Most of the others claimed that they will fully respect the
warranty.
This could already have changed, so you should just call them (or
others, if you decide to get other brand).



iDigital, the people that sell Apple laptops here will refuse to fix  
them under warranty, even if you take them to the same place the send  
them to before selling them. Since iDigital is just a representative  
not part of Apple, you may get service if you take it anywhere else,  
but it would have to be out of Israel.


Geoff.


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Re: [Off topic] Engraving Hebrew on US laptop keyboard

[Leonid Podolny]

> Does anyone has an experience servicing laptops purchased in US in
> Israel (probably by ישפאר)?

I considered it a year and a half ago, so I just called the Israel
representatives of all laptop manufacturers I could think of. Sony
were the only ones that plainly said that I will not get any warranty
service. Most of the others claimed that they will fully respect the
warranty.
This could already have changed, so you should just call them (or
others, if you decide to get other brand).

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[Off topic] Engraving Hebrew on US laptop keyboard

[Alexander Indenbaum]

Hello,

This is off topic, still probably crowd here has relevant experience, so ...

I'm considering bringing Sony laptop from US. My main concerns are:
1. Engraving Hebrew on keyboard
2. Service/warranty

Does anyone has a pointer or recommendation about (1). How could
provide such service in Israel?
Does anyone has an experience servicing laptops purchased in US in
Israel (probably by ישפאר)?

~baum

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Re: Windows Free Laptop (one more)

[Micha Feigin]

On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 19:24:29 +0200
Dotan Cohen  wrote:

> > Just FYI:
> >
> >   - I happened to be today at an Ivory shop  (http://www.ivory.co.il/)
> 
> A friend had bought a computer from Ivory last year, fully assembled
> in case with PSU and it costs less than I could have built it for her
> just buying the CPU, memory, motherboard, and drives separately. It
> had a dual core Intel processor, 1GB ram, and it ran Kubuntu just
> fine. They seem like a decent shop with very good prices. She didn't
> have any problems so I don't know how their service is, though, but it
> is good to mention that I know at least one happy Ivory customer.
> 

We've had a good experience with an msi, the wifi died, and after a couple of
days we got a phone call saying that there was no hardware problem but they
replaced the wireless anyway (?!? and that is after I checked with a new xp
installation and ubuntu to make sure that it was actually dead, go figure).
Anyway now hastle and the wireless is working again.

the keyboard is a far way off compared to a t61 that we also have and a
friends macbook air (amaizing keyboard, if it only wasn't so expensive and had
more than one touchpad button)

On the other hand a friend of mine wanted to buy a dell from them, they said
that they have it in stock and he can come see it, and when he came they said
that they don't have it in stock and he needs to order it in (without seeing it
first), so he went off to buy it somewhere else

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Re: Windows Free Laptop (one more)

[Dotan Cohen]

> Just FYI:
>
>   - I happened to be today at an Ivory shop  (http://www.ivory.co.il/)

A friend had bought a computer from Ivory last year, fully assembled
in case with PSU and it costs less than I could have built it for her
just buying the CPU, memory, motherboard, and drives separately. It
had a dual core Intel processor, 1GB ram, and it ran Kubuntu just
fine. They seem like a decent shop with very good prices. She didn't
have any problems so I don't know how their service is, though, but it
is good to mention that I know at least one happy Ivory customer.

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Fwd: Windows Free Laptop (one more)

[geoffrey mendelson]

On Mar 6, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Rami Rosen wrote:



 - I asked about Laptops without Windows; they offered me some MSI
laptops (which I didn't like so much).
These MSI laptops are with freeDos


I have an MSI Wind U100 and love it. It's small, lightweight and has  
a full sized keyboard.


I run Windows XP Pro English (not the Hebrew Home version that came  
with it), a BSD
variant, and carry a disk on key that boots Ubuntu. Since they  
decided not to include the Wifi
drivers for it on the latest version (the one with it it won't be  
out until April), I did not bother
allocating disk space to Ubuntu. If I had installed it, I could have  
manually installed the WiFi.


I do about 75% of what I do under BSD, and almost all of the other  
25% via ssh and now
Xwindows to a Linux computer (also running Ubuntu). I only boot  
Windows to load a device
driver that is not available for either Linux or BSD, and once it is  
loaded they will work with
the device.  Before I got the device, I booted Windows once every 3  
weeks or so.


Geoff.



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Re: Windows Free Laptop (one more)

[Hetz Ben Hamo]

That really depends (regarding Lenovo laptops).

The make tons of models, so it really depends if it's their home models or
business models (Txx, Xxxx, Wxxx, Zxxx) and it really depends on the seller.
I know that Lenovo is making many models with Linux installed (Mostly SLED),
and it really depends who's your seller and what connections he got inside
IBM/Lenovo. Few years ago, I helped someone buy 20 Thinkpads with Linux
installed. The seller told me "no way" that there's such an options. Couple
of phones later and the "no way" changed to "yes way" :)

The home models (Nxxx, Vxxx) are coming only with Vista and in May
timeframe, they'll come with free "upgrade" offer to Windows 7. You cannot
downgrade to XP in those models (unless you format it, install your copy of
XP, download their drivers and install them), and their quality sucks
compared to the business models: buy an N500 model, boot Vista and see how
after you load the OS, the hard disk works like mad..

Hetz

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Rami Rosen  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Just FYI:
>
>   - I happened to be today at an Ivory shop  (http://www.ivory.co.il/)
>
>   - I asked about Laptops without Windows; they offered me some MSI
> laptops (which I didn't like so much).
> These MSI laptops are with freeDos.
>
>   - When I asked about some Lenovo models, they told me that it is
> impossible to get them without Windows.
>
>   -   When I told them about Zvi Devir and the Windows refund case
> with the Dell laptop (which appeared in the newspaper) they told me
> that they did not hear about it before ; they added that if the same
> case happened with a Lenovo laptop, there might be  a place for
> talking about it.
>
> I want to add that I am not affiliated with Ivory or any other PC Vendor.
>
> Regards,
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Windows Free Laptop (one more)

[Rami Rosen]

Hello,

Just FYI:

   - I happened to be today at an Ivory shop  (http://www.ivory.co.il/)

   - I asked about Laptops without Windows; they offered me some MSI
laptops (which I didn't like so much).
These MSI laptops are with freeDos.

   - When I asked about some Lenovo models, they told me that it is
impossible to get them without Windows.

   -   When I told them about Zvi Devir and the Windows refund case
with the Dell laptop (which appeared in the newspaper) they told me
that they did not hear about it before ; they added that if the same
case happened with a Lenovo laptop, there might be  a place for
talking about it.

I want to add that I am not affiliated with Ivory or any other PC Vendor.

Regards,
Rami Rosen

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Re: sic transit gloria mundi [Was: Windows-free laptop in Israel - possible after all]

[Oleg Goldshmidt]

Ira Abramov  writes:

> indeed a trouble. the X200 is not as good as the X60 it's priced to
> replace. Sic transrit gloria laptopi - Lenovo is sadly phasing out the
> good old IBM hardware for this new wave of second-rate design :-(

Hi Ira,

This is a different topic, but I am interested in what you have to
say. Since I looked long and hard for a laptop I wanted to buy I would
appreciate more details. In what ways do you think it is inferior to
X60 (or X61s that I used to have[*]) and in general why in your
opinion is it "second-rate design"? What are your experiences? What to
look out for?

Feel free to write privately if you feel the subject is too boring (or
inflammatory) for the list.

So far I am quite satisfied. Obviously, it will take a little bit more
time to find out that stuff goes out of order at an appalling rate,
but I have no reason to assume that so far...

[*] So far it looks quite similar to X61s in terms of features, save for a
different aspect ratio, a faster CPU, (what feels like) a better
battery life, and the lack of a fingerprint reader (no tears shed
for it here). The keyboard feels a little bit different, but it is
in fact slightly wider and (IMHO) beats any desktop (let alone
laptop) keyboard I've ever used, and I have already done some
typing on it. It is also a lot cooler (in terms of temperature
after being on for a long time, not appeal) than my X61s was.
 
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Re: Windows-free laptop in Israel - possible after all

[Ira Abramov]

Quoting Oleg Goldshmidt, from the post of Mon, 02 Mar:
> service), and left with a nice Lenovo ThinkPad X200 with FreeDOS for
> my trouble.

indeed a trouble. the X200 is not as good as the X60 it's priced to
replace. Sic transrit gloria laptopi - Lenovo is sadly phasing out the
good old IBM hardware for this new wave of second-rate design :-(

BTW, If you want to go really cheap hardware and a Free OS, take a look
at these guys: http://shop.affordy.com/pl_product~af-lp-01-g~7~0.htm

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Re: Windows-free laptop in Israel - possible after all

[Dotan Cohen]

> I decided that some of you might be interested to know that I got
> myself a new laptop a few days ago. The reason for your possible
> interest will be not just being good friends of mine (though some of
> you undoubtedly are), but the fact that the laptop came without
> Windows Vista Ultimate Housewife Professional Edition or
> whatchamacallit, and without court procedures, communications,
> negotiations, out-of-court settlements, or any other hassle required
> to get an unused-EULA refund from the manufacturer.
>

Thanks, Oleg. I bookmarked the site and I _will_ be buying from them.
My Aging Dell Inspiron (not bought in Israel) will need repair or
replacement soon, and now I know the address of a reputable place.
Thanks!

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Re: Windows-free laptop in Israel - possible after all

[Micha Feigin]

Nice to hear that there is another source for these.

Ivory sells a few of their machines without windows (at least msi I think also
dells, maybe more), but although buying a simple desktop from them is ok,
laptops other than msi can be a hustle.

At the time I found quite a few dell distributors that sell dells windows free.

Thinkpads this is the first time I hear about.

On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:24:25 +0200
Oleg Goldshmidt  wrote:

> 
> Hi everybody,
> 
> I decided that some of you might be interested to know that I got
> myself a new laptop a few days ago. The reason for your possible
> interest will be not just being good friends of mine (though some of
> you undoubtedly are), but the fact that the laptop came without
> Windows Vista Ultimate Housewife Professional Edition or
> whatchamacallit, and without court procedures, communications,
> negotiations, out-of-court settlements, or any other hassle required
> to get an unused-EULA refund from the manufacturer.
> 
> I had thought it was highly unlikely to impossible in Israel, so it
> was quite a pleasant surprise. Surprised, too? Read on.
> 
> To start with, some manufacturers do offer computers without Windows
> or the associated "Microsoft tax". One example is Lenovo, who offer
> certain ThinkPad models preloaded with FreeDOS. From what I
> heard/read, Dell and HP do it on occasion as well. Obviously, unless
> you buy abroad or over the Internet (which may result, e.g., in
> incomplete warranty, expensive shipping, etc.) this is not enough -
> there must be an Israeli importer/distributor who will actually bring
> such products to Israel and sell them to you. I think it is fair to
> say that most Israeli distributors will not stock or order anything
> without Windows because "what are you going to do with the computer
> without software, anyway?" I talked to quite a few, and this was the
> uniform answer in every case.
> 
> Well, it turns out that there is at least one importer who does
> that. They are http://www.memory4less.co.il, they live not far from
> Tel Aviv's Central Bus Station (address and phone number are on the
> website), and they sell equipment to both organizations and private
> individuals. I visited them in person (to have a look at the chosen
> computer), asked a number of questions (got answers from both
> salespeople and a technician, and in general got a reasonable level of
> service), and left with a nice Lenovo ThinkPad X200 with FreeDOS for
> my trouble.
> 
> I had browsed http://www.zap.co.il for a laptop satisfying a number of
> requirements, and it had never occurred to me to include
> "Windows-free" or "FreeDOS" or anything related into my queries. I was
> quite resigned to paying the M$ tax. I just clicked through to a make
> and a model that interested me, got a list of vendors, and sorted them
> by price. Memory4Less's offer was the best by price, and after
> checking the customer reviews (quite good) I clicked on the link, and
> that was when "FreeDOS" leapt into my face. So, it was a fluke.
> 
> While talking to them as they were preparing the simple paperwork, I
> learned that while they were aware that some people preferred to
> install SW themselves they were not aware at all of a category of
> customers that would be interested in getting Windows-free computers
> and might appreciate a vendor providing such an option. They would not
> remove preinstalled Windows from a computer (moving it to a diffeerent
> computer, moving the associated stickers around, etc., is a
> hassle). What they said they would do, however, is provide a quote for
> a computer that a manufacturer offers without Windows, and then order
> it and deliver it to the customer. I presume they will only do it if
> they work with the manufacturer regularly (I did not ask). I would
> guess that, if asked, they will also say which models come (from
> manufacturers they work with) without Windows.
> 
> My chosen model was in stock, so I got it with zero lead time.  It
> came with full international (including Israel) warranty from
> IBM. Memory4Less will extend the warranty (in Israel) past expiration
> for a fee, with service in their lab, if the customer so desires.
> 
> Now, I have no connection to them, I do not represent them or vouch
> for them, I am not endorsing them or advertising them, and in general
> Your Mileage May Vary and Standard Disclaimers Apply. I am only
> reporting my own experience that resulted in a new laptop satisfying
> all my requirements, with good shopping experience, the best price for
> the chosen make/model I could find, and with no Windows or any
> refund-related hassle whatsoever. I figure it is a Good Thing(TM), and
> as such it should be noted and, where practical, encouraged.
> 

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Re: Windows-free laptop in Israel - possible after all

[Saba Moshe]

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:23:45 +0200
From: Dan Shimshoni 
Subject: Re: Windows-free laptop in Israel - possible after all
To: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
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Hi,
 -  It is good to hear about it!

 - I urge everybody else who has a similar experience with
buying Windows-free laptops in Israel with other stores
to report in this mailing list.
-  I believe that the Linux users community in Israel has some power;
and I believe that eventually this might increase the numbers of such
stores.

Rgs,
DanS

>>>

<http://www.notebookclub.co.il/>. You can buy the first ten laptops
without an operating system. If you want one, you have to pay for it
extra.

I have not checked the other laptops they sell.

Disclaimer: this is not a recommendation, this is information only. I
am not affiliated with them, I am only a satisfied customer.

Saba Moshe

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Re: Windows-free laptop in Israel - possible after all

[Dan Shimshoni]

Hi,
 -  It is good to hear about it!

 - I urge everybody else who has a similar experience with
buying Windows-free laptops in Israel with other stores
to report in this mailing list.
-  I believe that the Linux users community in Israel has some power;
and I believe that eventually this might increase the numbers of such
stores.

Rgs,
DanS

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt  wrote:
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> I decided that some of you might be interested to know that I got
> myself a new laptop a few days ago. The reason for your possible
> interest will be not just being good friends of mine (though some of
> you undoubtedly are), but the fact that the laptop came without
> Windows Vista Ultimate Housewife Professional Edition or
> whatchamacallit, and without court procedures, communications,
> negotiations, out-of-court settlements, or any other hassle required
> to get an unused-EULA refund from the manufacturer.
>
> I had thought it was highly unlikely to impossible in Israel, so it
> was quite a pleasant surprise. Surprised, too? Read on.
>
> To start with, some manufacturers do offer computers without Windows
> or the associated "Microsoft tax". One example is Lenovo, who offer
> certain ThinkPad models preloaded with FreeDOS. From what I
> heard/read, Dell and HP do it on occasion as well. Obviously, unless
> you buy abroad or over the Internet (which may result, e.g., in
> incomplete warranty, expensive shipping, etc.) this is not enough -
> there must be an Israeli importer/distributor who will actually bring
> such products to Israel and sell them to you. I think it is fair to
> say that most Israeli distributors will not stock or order anything
> without Windows because "what are you going to do with the computer
> without software, anyway?" I talked to quite a few, and this was the
> uniform answer in every case.
>
> Well, it turns out that there is at least one importer who does
> that. They are http://www.memory4less.co.il, they live not far from
> Tel Aviv's Central Bus Station (address and phone number are on the
> website), and they sell equipment to both organizations and private
> individuals. I visited them in person (to have a look at the chosen
> computer), asked a number of questions (got answers from both
> salespeople and a technician, and in general got a reasonable level of
> service), and left with a nice Lenovo ThinkPad X200 with FreeDOS for
> my trouble.
>
> I had browsed http://www.zap.co.il for a laptop satisfying a number of
> requirements, and it had never occurred to me to include
> "Windows-free" or "FreeDOS" or anything related into my queries. I was
> quite resigned to paying the M$ tax. I just clicked through to a make
> and a model that interested me, got a list of vendors, and sorted them
> by price. Memory4Less's offer was the best by price, and after
> checking the customer reviews (quite good) I clicked on the link, and
> that was when "FreeDOS" leapt into my face. So, it was a fluke.
>
> While talking to them as they were preparing the simple paperwork, I
> learned that while they were aware that some people preferred to
> install SW themselves they were not aware at all of a category of
> customers that would be interested in getting Windows-free computers
> and might appreciate a vendor providing such an option. They would not
> remove preinstalled Windows from a computer (moving it to a diffeerent
> computer, moving the associated stickers around, etc., is a
> hassle). What they said they would do, however, is provide a quote for
> a computer that a manufacturer offers without Windows, and then order
> it and deliver it to the customer. I presume they will only do it if
> they work with the manufacturer regularly (I did not ask). I would
> guess that, if asked, they will also say which models come (from
> manufacturers they work with) without Windows.
>
> My chosen model was in stock, so I got it with zero lead time.  It
> came with full international (including Israel) warranty from
> IBM. Memory4Less will extend the warranty (in Israel) past expiration
> for a fee, with service in their lab, if the customer so desires.
>
> Now, I have no connection to them, I do not represent them or vouch
> for them, I am not endorsing them or advertising them, and in general
> Your Mileage May Vary and Standard Disclaimers Apply. I am only
> reporting my own experience that resulted in a new laptop satisfying
> all my requirements, with good shopping experience, the best price for
> the chosen make/model I could find, and with no Windows or any
> refund-related hassle whatsoever. I figure it is a Good Thing(TM), and
> as such it should be noted and, where practical, encouraged.
>

Re: Windows-free laptop in Israel - possible after all

[sammy ominsky]

On 02/03/2009, at 13:24, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:


Well, it turns out that there is at least one importer who does
that. They are http://www.memory4less.co.il,


I haven't bought a laptop from them, but I'll second the  
recommendation of them as a retailer.  I purchased some oddball RAM  
from them, and one of the modules was throwing errors like crazy.  Not  
only were they the cheapest for the particular thing I needed, their  
customer service was easy to deal with and quick to replace the bad RAM.


--sambo


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Windows-free laptop in Israel - possible after all

[Oleg Goldshmidt]

Hi everybody,

I decided that some of you might be interested to know that I got
myself a new laptop a few days ago. The reason for your possible
interest will be not just being good friends of mine (though some of
you undoubtedly are), but the fact that the laptop came without
Windows Vista Ultimate Housewife Professional Edition or
whatchamacallit, and without court procedures, communications,
negotiations, out-of-court settlements, or any other hassle required
to get an unused-EULA refund from the manufacturer.

I had thought it was highly unlikely to impossible in Israel, so it
was quite a pleasant surprise. Surprised, too? Read on.

To start with, some manufacturers do offer computers without Windows
or the associated "Microsoft tax". One example is Lenovo, who offer
certain ThinkPad models preloaded with FreeDOS. From what I
heard/read, Dell and HP do it on occasion as well. Obviously, unless
you buy abroad or over the Internet (which may result, e.g., in
incomplete warranty, expensive shipping, etc.) this is not enough -
there must be an Israeli importer/distributor who will actually bring
such products to Israel and sell them to you. I think it is fair to
say that most Israeli distributors will not stock or order anything
without Windows because "what are you going to do with the computer
without software, anyway?" I talked to quite a few, and this was the
uniform answer in every case.

Well, it turns out that there is at least one importer who does
that. They are http://www.memory4less.co.il, they live not far from
Tel Aviv's Central Bus Station (address and phone number are on the
website), and they sell equipment to both organizations and private
individuals. I visited them in person (to have a look at the chosen
computer), asked a number of questions (got answers from both
salespeople and a technician, and in general got a reasonable level of
service), and left with a nice Lenovo ThinkPad X200 with FreeDOS for
my trouble.

I had browsed http://www.zap.co.il for a laptop satisfying a number of
requirements, and it had never occurred to me to include
"Windows-free" or "FreeDOS" or anything related into my queries. I was
quite resigned to paying the M$ tax. I just clicked through to a make
and a model that interested me, got a list of vendors, and sorted them
by price. Memory4Less's offer was the best by price, and after
checking the customer reviews (quite good) I clicked on the link, and
that was when "FreeDOS" leapt into my face. So, it was a fluke.

While talking to them as they were preparing the simple paperwork, I
learned that while they were aware that some people preferred to
install SW themselves they were not aware at all of a category of
customers that would be interested in getting Windows-free computers
and might appreciate a vendor providing such an option. They would not
remove preinstalled Windows from a computer (moving it to a diffeerent
computer, moving the associated stickers around, etc., is a
hassle). What they said they would do, however, is provide a quote for
a computer that a manufacturer offers without Windows, and then order
it and deliver it to the customer. I presume they will only do it if
they work with the manufacturer regularly (I did not ask). I would
guess that, if asked, they will also say which models come (from
manufacturers they work with) without Windows.

My chosen model was in stock, so I got it with zero lead time.  It
came with full international (including Israel) warranty from
IBM. Memory4Less will extend the warranty (in Israel) past expiration
for a fee, with service in their lab, if the customer so desires.

Now, I have no connection to them, I do not represent them or vouch
for them, I am not endorsing them or advertising them, and in general
Your Mileage May Vary and Standard Disclaimers Apply. I am only
reporting my own experience that resulted in a new laptop satisfying
all my requirements, with good shopping experience, the best price for
the chosen make/model I could find, and with no Windows or any
refund-related hassle whatsoever. I figure it is a Good Thing(TM), and
as such it should be noted and, where practical, encouraged.

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Re: installing linux on a vista-pre-installed-laptop

[Micha]

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:20:21 +0200
"Erez D" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> hi
> 
> i have a few questions about a computer i bought and wanted to install linux
> on.
> 
> the computer came with vista preinstalled.
> 
> i wanted to install linux. i tried ntfsresize, but it didn't work (doesn't
> support vista partitions ?).
> I tried to resize the partition from vista. it let me shrink the partition
> to 50% of the hard-drive but not less (arrogant microsoft - they must be the
> biggest partition)
> so now i was able to install linux on half of the disk.
> it was not long before the linux partition was full.
> so mounted the ntfs partition ant put some data on it, but the performance
> sucks, and i do not want to put big files in a seperate (NTFS) partition.
> 
> 
> i found also a small NTFS partition, i assume it is for reinstalling VISTA.
> 
> so here are my questions:
> 
> 1. if i erase the vista partition, can i reinstall it from the other ?

I did this with a thinkpad. The extra small ntfs partition is the recovery
partition. If it's possible for you to boot into it from some recovery menu on
startup it should be possible to restore vista later on (no Idea why you
would ... if worse comes to worse xp is much better, but still is microsucks).

Under thinkpad it reinstalled fine on the resized partition but wouldn't
reinstall once I completely wiped vista. I had to put my hand on a vista disk
and do a reinstall and only then a restore (IIRC it was a partial reinstall,
not even sure if I finished it).

> 2. if i want to buck the partitions up. is there a open soure software
> similiar to norton-ghost that supports vista's and linux's partition.

no idea, sorry. My guess is that newer ghost will work. Don't know of open
source.

> 3. is there an open source software that can resize the vista partition
> (ntfsresize does not work)
> 

For me using the debian unstable installation disk worked for resizing vista.
I'm guessing it's some version of ntfsresize. You can download the net install,
start it in expert mode and go to the partitioning menu option to use it.

> 10x,
> erez.

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Re: installing linux on a vista-pre-installed-laptop

[Hetz Ben Hamo]

Hi,

You can use GParted Live CD to resize you Vista partition(s). Follow
this link: 
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/using-gparted-to-resize-your-windows-vista-partition/

Hetz

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Erez D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hi
>
> i have a few questions about a computer i bought and wanted to install linux
> on.
>
> the computer came with vista preinstalled.
>
> i wanted to install linux. i tried ntfsresize, but it didn't work (doesn't
> support vista partitions ?).
> I tried to resize the partition from vista. it let me shrink the partition
> to 50% of the hard-drive but not less (arrogant microsoft - they must be the
> biggest partition)
> so now i was able to install linux on half of the disk.
> it was not long before the linux partition was full.
> so mounted the ntfs partition ant put some data on it, but the performance
> sucks, and i do not want to put big files in a seperate (NTFS) partition.
>
>
> i found also a small NTFS partition, i assume it is for reinstalling VISTA.
>
> so here are my questions:
>
> 1. if i erase the vista partition, can i reinstall it from the other ?
> 2. if i want to buck the partitions up. is there a open soure software
> similiar to norton-ghost that supports vista's and linux's partition.
> 3. is there an open source software that can resize the vista partition
> (ntfsresize does not work)
>
> 10x,
> erez.
>
>



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installing linux on a vista-pre-installed-laptop

[Erez D]

hi

i have a few questions about a computer i bought and wanted to install linux
on.

the computer came with vista preinstalled.

i wanted to install linux. i tried ntfsresize, but it didn't work (doesn't
support vista partitions ?).
I tried to resize the partition from vista. it let me shrink the partition
to 50% of the hard-drive but not less (arrogant microsoft - they must be the
biggest partition)
so now i was able to install linux on half of the disk.
it was not long before the linux partition was full.
so mounted the ntfs partition ant put some data on it, but the performance
sucks, and i do not want to put big files in a seperate (NTFS) partition.


i found also a small NTFS partition, i assume it is for reinstalling VISTA.

so here are my questions:

1. if i erase the vista partition, can i reinstall it from the other ?
2. if i want to buck the partitions up. is there a open soure software
similiar to norton-ghost that supports vista's and linux's partition.
3. is there an open source software that can resize the vista partition
(ntfsresize does not work)

10x,
erez.

Re: Ubuntu laptop hard drive heating up

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/7/10 Ami Chayun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi,
> I installed Hardy on a friend's new Thinkpad X61 laptop, and I'm facing a
> serious problem.
> The laptop's hard drive heats up to unbearable temperature (hddtemp shows
> numbers over 50 degrees). When running smartctls, the hdd's Load_Cycle_Count
> is increased in an alarming rate.
> The web is filled with contradicting information on the effect. The (somewhat)
> official information I dug is:
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=795327
> and
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695
> The solutions offered there doesn't seem to help much.
>
> I remember this as an Ubuntu issue a while back, but I didn't expect to see it
> in 8.04.
>
> I'd appreciate any suggestions to debug and solve this,
> Ami
>

On my Dell Inspiron I only notice the issue when on battery power, not
on mains. Identify if this is the case with your Thinkpad. I have not
yet found a solution for my Inspiron, and it persists in 8.04 as well
for me. I just try to use mains as often as possible.

Dotan Cohen

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