Re: I am dissatisfied
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:12 pm, Federico Voges wrote: If you wan't a Caldera like distro, checkout Lycoris (formerly Redmond Linux). It's based on Caldera's LTP (it even uses Lizard). http://www.lycoris.com/ Bye! Federico Voges Socio gerente Intrasoft Tel/Fax: 54-11-4833-5182 Malabia 2137 14 A e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C1425EZC) Buenos Aires Web: http://www.intrasoft.com.ar Argentina Yes I knew Joseph when he was just one of the crowd on the old Caldera list. I have often wondered about Lycoris, but what I heard was that it was mainly for newbies and not too may developed files etc. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: More Outlook and IE problems coming
I think the job title 'technology managers' should be clarified to be 'technology mis-managers' - after all, they are the ones that let companies use the software that allows such security problems in the first place. But, I guess they are powerless against those evil virus guys. Maybe MS can get Bush to add them to the list of evil doers. After all, it surely is not MS' fault... On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:29:50 -0400 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3107613.stm It never stops. Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- ++···+ · Roger Oberholtzer · E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]· · OPQ Systems AB · WWW: http://www.opq.se/ · · Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 ·Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 · · 115 34 Stockholm · Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 · · Sweden · Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 · ++···+ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: More Outlook and IE problems coming
quoth Net Llama!: | On 07/29/03 19:29, Joel Hammer wrote: | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3107613.stm | | It never stops. | | that's strange, it never started for me. then again, i don't use M$ | products. ah, but that scarcely matters. for instance, there's no mshit running here, but there certainly is some running on the same branch of the cable network, because bandwidth is being sucked up like you wouldn't believe. the effect is an internet connection equivalent to about a 14.4kbps modem on a 1-meg cable connection. so it's like a yugo -- doesn't matter whether it's yours or not if it breaks down at rush hour on the street on which you're trying to get to work. -- dep Feelings of worthlessness are often brought on by worthlessness. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Where are the drivers for the 2.6.0test2 kernel
Folks, I have downloaded compiled and installed the 2.6.0test2 kernel and after the initial drama of trying to get the make gconfig to work it all compiled rather ok (nice non-noisy way they do it now too). However I need the nvidia.o driver to run my graphics card and it doesn't appear to exist in the kernel source. unlike the 2.4 series. Where can I go or what do I have to do in order to get the kernel driver for the nvidia graphics card. www.nvidia.com's proprietry solution doesn't compile or install. Cheers james ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
elx doing well in India
Having tried elx (not bad) in the past, I was intrigued to see this review: http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT4462149560.html Typically we are converting 200-300 corporate/institutional desktops a month to ELX. And, these numbers are growing rapidly. That's a helluva lot of new linux customers! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
OT: SCO Execs Cashing In
Just as many suspected, SCO Execs have no more confidence in their dreamy lawsuit than any of the rest of us. So they're cashing in on the short term bubble it created. http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5057033.html Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Can't believe it but its true: Visual basic can't sort
Thanks for the link... and yes google is becoming more a friend than an acquaintance Cheers James ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: More Outlook and IE problems coming
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, dep wrote: quoth Net Llama!: | On 07/29/03 19:29, Joel Hammer wrote: | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3107613.stm | | It never stops. | | that's strange, it never started for me. then again, i don't use M$ | products. ah, but that scarcely matters. for instance, there's no mshit running here, but there certainly is some running on the same branch of the cable network, because bandwidth is being sucked up like you wouldn't believe. the effect is an internet connection equivalent to about a 14.4kbps modem on a 1-meg cable connection. so it's like a yugo -- doesn't matter whether it's yours or not if it breaks down at rush hour on the street on which you're trying to get to work. I have DSL, not cable. My bandwidth remains the same regardless of what the rest of the planet's idiots are doing. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: More Outlook and IE problems coming
quoth Net Llama!: | I have DSL, not cable. My bandwidth remains the same regardless of | what the rest of the planet's idiots are doing. not true. when ie and outlook vulnerabilities are being exploited, which is to say all the time, you're being hindered along the line, even if you don't see it locally. there is x amount of bandwidth, and those exploits consume y, leaving x-y for you and everyone else. which is to say that the leak in the pipe reduces the pressure, whether you see it or not. -- dep Feelings of worthlessness are often brought on by worthlessness. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Umm 2.6 compiled but no Video Card Drivers
On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 06:46, James McDonald wrote: Folks, I managed to get 2.6.0test2 kernel compiled and installed unfortunately my old kernel uses *.o.gz modules and the new modutils won't insert them so I am stuck with the 2.6 kernel for now. I have network and all my major services that I need but I'm lacking a nv driver the NVIDIA site doesn't support 2.6 yet and I can find any mention of the nv driver that is usually in the 2.4.x kernels. Any Idea? Fortunately I installed all the console tools so I can access my computer ok over the net via ssh but I would like to get my X server going again. I haven't tried the 2.6 kernel as of yet, so this may not work, but might it be possible to use the fbdev driver/server? Or perhaps a plain VESA driver? AFAIK either of these would allow you to run X until and if nVidia releases a new driver that's compatible. As I suggested, this advice may be NFG as it's purely a stab in the dark. Worth a shot though... HTH -- Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT: SCO Execs Cashing In
quoth Michael Hipp: | Just as many suspected, SCO Execs have no more confidence in their | dreamy lawsuit than any of the rest of us. So they're cashing in on | the short term bubble it created. | | http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5057033.html even more interesting, to me, is the fact that the boys can issue 45,000,000 shares (whether this is total or whether it is in addition to the 13,500,000 outstanding shares was not clear), which of couse would greatly dilute the value, such as it is, of their current lottery tic^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h shares. the potential for manipulation is tremendous. and while i have not seen prima facie evidence that it is taking place, i also haven't seen anything that doesn't point in that direction. -- dep Feelings of worthlessness are often brought on by worthlessness. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Umm 2.6 compiled but no Video Card Drivers
Quoth James McDonald: Folks, I managed to get 2.6.0test2 kernel compiled and installed unfortunately my old kernel uses *.o.gz modules and the new modutils won't insert them so I am stuck with the 2.6 kernel for now. The new module utilities don't handle compressed kernel modules. You could always uncompress the old modules, but I'd be darn surprised if you could use the _old_ modules with the _new_ kernel. I have network and all my major services that I need but I'm lacking a nv driver the NVIDIA site doesn't support 2.6 yet and I can find any mention of the nv driver that is usually in the 2.4.x kernels. Any Idea? Don't use the NVIDIA driver. Use the one that ships with XFree86. Or, Punt. Kurt -- Protozoa are small, and bacteria are small, but viruses are smaller than the both put together. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout
A group in Australia has filed a complaint with the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission about SCO's attempt to license users of the Linux 2.4 kernel. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7037mode=threadorder=0 I'm going to salute this initiative with a 1/2 liter can of Fosters tonight. -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 1.9.1 Debian Linux System 5151 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT devfs user request
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 el lodger shocked and awed us all by speaking: nodev usbdevfs nodev usbfs great, thanks! new question: where do the above 2 entries get mounted? thanks - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 http://doug.hunley.homeip.net http://www.linux-sxs.org Quite frankly, Sun is doomed. And it has nothing to do with their engineering practices or their coding style. - Linus -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/J/OT2MO5UukaubkRAv1jAJ90QDqobWheWiWbhpYcQaQeeFky7wCfU4If BfIafBtnu1irg4DaWE8YpUQ= =UKGy -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: More Outlook and IE problems coming
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 10:15:16AM -0400, dep wrote: quoth Net Llama!: | I have DSL, not cable. My bandwidth remains the same regardless of | what the rest of the planet's idiots are doing. not true. when ie and outlook vulnerabilities are being exploited, which is to say all the time, you're being hindered along the line, even if you don't see it locally. there is x amount of bandwidth, and those exploits consume y, leaving x-y for you and everyone else. Not to mention things like ``Code Red'' and ``Nimda'' which were filling up hard drives with Apache's logs at the height of their activity. It got so bad that we had to turn off logging for a while. Our Linux router also rejects about 40,000 probes per day on ports with known Microsoft security problems (e.g. SQL Server, ports 137-139, etc), and general port scans. The vast majority of these probes come from cracked Windows systems that are being used without their owner's knowledge. This is a single T1 with two /24 networks. Imagine the traffic at sites with serious bandwidth and networks. Another factor is that a huge percentage of the spam that's sent today now goes through open proxy servers, mostly on Windows machines where the owner doesn't even know they have a proxy server. The simplest way for the average broadband Windows user to protect themselves from much of this abuse is to install one of the commodity cable/dsl router boxes that does NAT, and only allows outside connections to machines on the inside network on specific ports that must be configured manually. We use quite a few LinkSys VPN router/switches (Part Number BEFVP41) for this. They're cheap, and their IPSec VPN tunnelling works with Linux FreeS/WAN, FreeBSD, and OS X as well as the usual Windows IPSec software. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Breathe fire, slay dragons, and take chances. Failure is temporary, regret is eternal. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: More Outlook and IE problems coming
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I have DSL, not cable. My bandwidth remains the same regardless of what the rest of the planet's idiots are doing. Not completely true. You have your bandwidth to the other end of the ATM pipe, regardless, yes, but beyond that, some idiots can fill the upstream pipe making your always-wide bandwidth a moot point. [snip] Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. Nemesis Racing Team motto GPG key autoresponder: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT devfs user request
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David A. Bandel shocked and awed us all by speaking: Doug, as you should know, this list will be a function of what's compiled into the kernel and loaded as modules (the list changes as say vfat is loaded then unloaded). Anything you're looking for in particular? Or is this just an informal survey of some sort? yeah, I knew that. I'm working on some changes to the linux from scratch boot scripts and needed to see some values that I don't have in my kernel ;) - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 http://doug.hunley.homeip.net http://www.linux-sxs.org I will always cherish the initial misconceptions I had about you being competent. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/J/vx2MO5UukaubkRAhUmAJ4teco2ksC5xzMkqIo4B534bxwtuwCgiOvj hG0qkmX192VH/faqzYIbQ0Q= =r28X -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
spam issues
I've had it with spam, RBL's bite. So what to do? I have taken drastic measures. I wish others would follow suit. We could kill spam in short order. How? I have got fed up with yahoo a while back and blocked them. A while back I had a rash of spam from comcast.com and mail them and complained heavily, it stopped. Until this week. Now comcast is blocked. When I say blocked I dont mean filtered I mean blocked from all my domains and clients mail servers. FSCK to domains with a lax attitude about spam, let them eat bounces. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Keith Antoine shocked and awed us all by speaking: Now what I want is the old Caldera back and updated, but that is a pipe dream of course. So I have Redhat 9.0 (shrike) and also Slackware 9.0 on why is this a pipe dream? almost the whole damn distro is 100% OSS (the only exceptions being a little bit of the management guis). I'm sure the community could certainly break out an old copy of eD 2.4 and then make it current hell, we could even provide resources for it on the SxS site (within reason) - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 http://doug.hunley.homeip.net http://www.linux-sxs.org How do you know when you're out of invisible ink? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/J/x+2MO5UukaubkRAh8/AJ0QUqQDJqoMqmsmAZxRzZkPV6Ck1gCbBcpS y3Lg5pE8YYHAwGQ1Bi2u8vo= =d3Gm -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout
On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 18:20, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: A group in Australia has filed a complaint with the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission about SCO's attempt to license users of the Linux 2.4 kernel. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7037mode=threadorder=0 I'm going to salute this initiative with a 1/2 liter can of Fosters tonight. IMHO, VB would be better. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT devfs user request
On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 18:34, Douglas J Hunley wrote: el lodger shocked and awed us all by speaking: nodev usbdevfs nodev usbfs great, thanks! new question: where do the above 2 entries get mounted? thanks For the latter, mount gives: none on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) It is not in fstab, so it must happen when the module is loaded. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, ronnie gauthier wrote: I've had it with spam, RBL's bite. So what to do? I have taken drastic measures. I wish others would follow suit. We could kill spam in short order. How? I have got fed up with yahoo a while back and blocked them. A while back I had a rash of spam from comcast.com and mail them and complained heavily, it stopped. Until this week. Now comcast is blocked. When I say blocked I dont mean filtered I mean blocked from all my domains and clients mail servers. FSCK to domains with a lax attitude about spam, let them eat bounces. what is that solving? spam preys on the weakest link lowest common denominator. blocking off entire netblocks is just cutting off your nose to spite your face. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Douglas J Hunley wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Keith Antoine shocked and awed us all by speaking: Now what I want is the old Caldera back and updated, but that is a pipe dream of course. So I have Redhat 9.0 (shrike) and also Slackware 9.0 on why is this a pipe dream? almost the whole damn distro is 100% OSS (the only exceptions being a little bit of the management guis). I'm sure the community could certainly break out an old copy of eD 2.4 and then make it current hell, we could even provide resources for it on the SxS site (within reason) We've gone this route before. I mentioend that there's no point in starting such a project unless: 0) A sufficient number of people are willing to contribute 1) All of those people have the time to see it through to completion I'm quite happy to get involved with this, but i don't want to spend many hours for something that will die from neglect. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: spam issues
I would think blocking domains is worse than the RBL lists. I have started using an email gateway called messagewall. It has a number of checks included rbl lists, reverse DNS on MX records and a lot more. Since implementing this setup our spam has become almost no existent and is no longer considered a problem. (I still get one or two a day). I may be wrong, but a lot of spam claims to be from one domain, but isn't really. Making sure that the mail comes form where it claims to have originated is the best way. I gave up on Spam Assassin and those types of programs because it seemed to Be a losing battle. Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 416-744-7949 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 416-744-0406 FAX www.LynchDigital.com -Original Message- From: Net Llama! [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 1:33 PM To: linux SxS On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, ronnie gauthier wrote: I've had it with spam, RBL's bite. So what to do? I have taken drastic measures. I wish others would follow suit. We could kill spam in short order. How? I have got fed up with yahoo a while back and blocked them. A while back I had a rash of spam from comcast.com and mail them and complained heavily, it stopped. Until this week. Now comcast is blocked. When I say blocked I dont mean filtered I mean blocked from all my domains and clients mail servers. FSCK to domains with a lax attitude about spam, let them eat bounces. what is that solving? spam preys on the weakest link lowest common denominator. blocking off entire netblocks is just cutting off your nose to spite your face. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, ronnie gauthier wrote: I've had it with spam, RBL's bite. So what to do? I have taken drastic measures. I wish others would follow suit. We could kill spam in short order. How? I have got fed up with yahoo a while back and blocked them. A while back I had a rash of spam from comcast.com and mail them and complained heavily, it stopped. Until this week. Now comcast is blocked. When I say blocked I dont mean filtered I mean blocked from all my domains and clients mail servers. FSCK to domains with a lax attitude about spam, let them eat bounces. what is that solving? spam preys on the weakest link lowest common denominator. blocking off entire netblocks is just cutting off your nose to spite your face. As an ISP, I'm striking back locally. I own my netblocks. I have my sights on a local spammer. I've now billed them 2 months for using my servers and my bandwidth for their commercial advertising to my clients. Next week, I send out a past due notice with a note that if they don't pay within a week, I'll start court proceedings against them for non-payment. I plan to sequester their company as part of the whole thing. Will let folks know as I go how it goes. In the states, I'd suggest not suing the spammers, but go after the folks hiring them. Many spam links lead to companies/servers in the US. Go after those folks with a vengeance. I suspect you'll have to be using your own mail server to make claims like I am. But if companies start learning that hiring spammers will land them in court, they'll probably stop and spam will become a non-issue. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. Nemesis Racing Team motto GPG key autoresponder: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
Not exactly, at least thats not how I see it. If enough users of an ISP or email suppliers complain they are blocked by one, big deal, blocked by dozens, then it begins to matter and the ISP's must take notice. We as an admin community have done nothing to stop the spam problem. Oh, some filteer, most have a TOS that they stick to but thats it. Hell, when it gets bad enough that congress looks into it you know that congress will shit on you with their solution. If it a drastic enough problem then we should deal with it ourselves. I know that blocking innocent users is not with the spirit of the Internet but any solution congress comes up with will be worse and we can remove blocks easily with a few edits. No so with whatever solution congress comes up with, you wont just edit that away. On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:33:22 -0400 (EDT) - Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Re: spam issues On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, ronnie gauthier wrote: I've had it with spam, RBL's bite. So what to do? I have taken drastic measures. I wish others would follow suit. We could kill spam in short order. How? I have got fed up with yahoo a while back and blocked them. A while back I had a rash of spam from comcast.com and mail them and complained heavily, it stopped. Until this week. Now comcast is blocked. When I say blocked I dont mean filtered I mean blocked from all my domains and clients mail servers. FSCK to domains with a lax attitude about spam, let them eat bounces. what is that solving? spam preys on the weakest link lowest common denominator. blocking off entire netblocks is just cutting off your nose to spite your face. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
On 7/30/2003 1:45 PM, someone claiming to be Wil McGilvery wrote: I would think blocking domains is worse than the RBL lists. I have started using an email gateway called messagewall. It has a number of checks included rbl lists, reverse DNS on MX records and a lot more. Since implementing this setup our spam has become almost no existent and is no longer considered a problem. (I still get one or two a day). I may be wrong, but a lot of spam claims to be from one domain, but isn't really. Making sure that the mail comes form where it claims to have originated is the best way. I gave up on Spam Assassin and those types of programs because it seemed to Be a losing battle. snip From an end user perspective, I've found Mozilla's junk mail filtering to be fantastic at determining what's junk and what's not. Much better than plain SpamAssassin. Although, current SpamAssassin is supposed to be able to do Bayesian analysis, it's not nearly as user friendly as using Mozilla Mail. But for KMail's superiority in handling mailing lists, I'd have moved my home e-mail to Mozilla already. I had found a link that described how to automate the use of SpamAssassin's Bayesian filtering, but I haven't actually tried it yet. off to google spamassasin bayesian filter here it is: http://spamassassin.rediris.es/doc/sa-learn.html Regards, Tim ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
On 7/30/2003 1:55 PM, someone claiming to be ronnie gauthier wrote: Not exactly, at least thats not how I see it. If enough users of an ISP or email suppliers complain they are blocked by one, big deal, blocked by dozens, then it begins to matter and the ISP's must take notice. We as an admin community have done nothing to stop the spam problem. Oh, some filteer, most have a TOS that they stick to but thats it. Hell, when it gets bad enough that congress looks into it you know that congress will shit on you with their solution. If it a drastic enough problem then we should deal with it ourselves. I know that blocking innocent users is not with the spirit of the Internet but any solution congress comes up with will be worse and we can remove blocks easily with a few edits. No so with whatever solution congress comes up with, you wont just edit that away. When our ISP blocked mail intended for my company (we're a small company, don't want to administer a mail server locally) based on RBL's, I pitched a major fit with them. We're a business, we don't want ANY mail blocked. They were pretty good at determining what to block, about 95% right, but it was the 5% of legitimate mails that they blocked that caused considerable problems. They now use SpamAssassin and spam gets marked, but delivered. Much better for our end users. Some legit mail gets a SAPM tag, and some spam goes un-tagged, but it's much more managable for our users. (FWIW) Regards, Tim ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
The problem here is that you assume that when people get bounced mail, they understand why, and attempt to take corrective action. Most people haven't the foggiest clue what a bounced email means, and will most likely just delete it and move on. Punishing the innocent isn't going to win a spam war. It just puts them in the middle as you throw grenades at the spammers on the other side. On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, ronnie gauthier wrote: Not exactly, at least thats not how I see it. If enough users of an ISP or email suppliers complain they are blocked by one, big deal, blocked by dozens, then it begins to matter and the ISP's must take notice. We as an admin community have done nothing to stop the spam problem. Oh, some filteer, most have a TOS that they stick to but thats it. Hell, when it gets bad enough that congress looks into it you know that congress will shit on you with their solution. If it a drastic enough problem then we should deal with it ourselves. I know that blocking innocent users is not with the spirit of the Internet but any solution congress comes up with will be worse and we can remove blocks easily with a few edits. No so with whatever solution congress comes up with, you wont just edit that away. On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:33:22 -0400 (EDT) - Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Re: spam issues On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, ronnie gauthier wrote: I've had it with spam, RBL's bite. So what to do? I have taken drastic measures. I wish others would follow suit. We could kill spam in short order. How? I have got fed up with yahoo a while back and blocked them. A while back I had a rash of spam from comcast.com and mail them and complained heavily, it stopped. Until this week. Now comcast is blocked. When I say blocked I dont mean filtered I mean blocked from all my domains and clients mail servers. FSCK to domains with a lax attitude about spam, let them eat bounces. what is that solving? spam preys on the weakest link lowest common denominator. blocking off entire netblocks is just cutting off your nose to spite your face. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I get a lot from router
135 - 139 are NetBIOS, and are to be expected from all Windows boxen. Make sure you aren't receiving and forwarding any of these from the Internet. UDP 67 and 68 are the source and destination ports for DHCP communication. Is your broadband connection on a 10.55.x.x network? Your router seems to be droping the DHCP packets... This could be bad, if you have added filters to your router which cause it to be unable to receive the Lease information for its IP Information. Check into this in the router... As for the Linux/Windows sharing the router, are they both set to use DHCP? Also, were you using two different networks on the Linux eth interfaces when using it as a router? The NetGear is a device with very little power, but it allows the GUI only to include what is necessary. For Linux, I recommend Webmin (which comes on many Distro's) as a Linux web interface. But because the Linux box is so powerful (ie. so feature-full) you would have to know what you needed to configure to make it act as the Router/Gateway/DHCP server. I may have missed it but I didn't see you mention that you have DHCP serving set up on the Linux box before, which would have left the network configuration up to the XP box to figure out. The Webmin GUI is quite nice, although since it is still very powerful it may still require that you know a little bit more about networking and DHCP to be undaunted by all the options. Hope it's all working for you. I've been offline for a week so I might have missed it, but what's the status of this? Are you able to use both machines at the same time? Matt On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:52:55 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am getting mail from the router which I do not understand. The following IP's are being dropped. I can see they are local but why are they being generated at all and why are they not received. some from 192.168.0.2,137 are allowed. Tue, 2003-07-22 22:55:37 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:192.168.0.2,138,LAN - [Drop] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:55:43 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:10.55.0.1,67,WAN - [Drop] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:55:51 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:10.55.0.1,67,WAN - [Drop] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:55:59 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:10.55.0.1,67,WAN - [Drop] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:56:04 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:10.55.0.1,67,WAN - [Drop] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:56:06 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:192.168.0.2,137,LAN - [Receive] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:56:07 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:10.55.0.1,67,WAN - [Drop] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:56:12 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:10.55.0.1,67,WAN - [Drop] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:56:28 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:10.55.0.1,67,WAN - [Drop] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:56:30 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:10.55.0.1,67,WAN - [Drop] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:56:32 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:10.55.0.1,67,WAN - [Drop] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:56:41 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:10.55.0.1,67,WAN - [Drop] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:56:57 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:10.55.0.1,67,WAN - [Drop] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:57:43 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:192.168.0.2,137,LAN - [Drop] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:57:43 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:192.168.0.2,137,LAN - [Drop] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:57:44 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:192.168.0.2,137,LAN - [Drop] Skippy ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Service Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mandrake or Slackware
But don't expect much to work after install... Especially if you use KDE On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never honestly used either, howeer I'd suggest Mandrake for a laptop. Its alot more user friendly for getting it installed in a rush. On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote: Folks, If you had to choose, with only a couple hours to decide, between Slackware and Mandrake for a laptop install, which would you choose? I don't know either of them well enough to make a logical decision, but I'm in the position of needing to make that decision. Any insights from the list would be appreciated. In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord, Tom :-}) ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT devfs user request
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Roger Oberholtzer shocked and awed us all by speaking: On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 18:34, Douglas J Hunley wrote: el lodger shocked and awed us all by speaking: nodev usbdevfs nodev usbfs great, thanks! new question: where do the above 2 entries get mounted? thanks For the latter, mount gives: none on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) It is not in fstab, so it must happen when the module is loaded. and the former? I *think* it goes on /dev somewhere. anyone? - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 http://doug.hunley.homeip.net http://www.linux-sxs.org Sarcasm is just one more service we offer. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/KBD92MO5UukaubkRAp0QAJ46aANexESplBlLKPxZpsBblQh2ygCfUVWh jvTlDWSk8jx166PbluCYRE0= =HgYn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Net Llama! shocked and awed us all by speaking: We've gone this route before. I mentioend that there's no point in starting such a project unless: 0) A sufficient number of people are willing to contribute 1) All of those people have the time to see it through to completion I'm quite happy to get involved with this, but i don't want to spend many hours for something that will die from neglect. true dat. just want to keep reminding people that if they are willing to put their money where their mouth is, we can help a lot... - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 http://doug.hunley.homeip.net http://www.linux-sxs.org Whatever kind of look you were going for,.. you missed. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/KBE22MO5UukaubkRAmX4AJ9lBFa4dOAfV3ksAcn8lt1uyzK4sACgmPca MBC4Fnkn1FKEvbKxbwSPXdc= =fbmr -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
Using the appropriate RBL's can lead to a drop in 95% of all spam, and I have yet to hear complaints. The trick is choosing RBL's that are comprehensive, deterministic, and responsive. This means that some of the RBL's out there that don't allow your servers off the list when closed just don't find their way in my config. I also use SpamAssassin and Bogofilter (Bayesian algorithm) and tagging (allowing the filtering to be done at the client or last server with procmail/sieve instead of at the front-end servers. Since I also use RBL's I can't tell you how effective these are. I hardly ever see spam... Frying Spam: http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/03/06/index2a.html On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:13:52 -0500 ronnie gauthier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had it with spam, RBL's bite. So what to do? I have taken drastic measures. I wish others would follow suit. We could kill spam in short order. How? I have got fed up with yahoo a while back and blocked them. A while back I had a rash of spam from comcast.com and mail them and complained heavily, it stopped. Until this week. Now comcast is blocked. When I say blocked I dont mean filtered I mean blocked from all my domains and clients mail servers. FSCK to domains with a lax attitude about spam, let them eat bounces. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Douglas J Hunley wrote: Net Llama! shocked and awed us all by speaking: We've gone this route before. I mentioend that there's no point in starting such a project unless: 0) A sufficient number of people are willing to contribute 1) All of those people have the time to see it through to completion I'm quite happy to get involved with this, but i don't want to spend many hours for something that will die from neglect. true dat. just want to keep reminding people that if they are willing to put their money where their mouth is, we can help a lot... Indeed. I've got lots of ideas, but i don't have the time or skillz to do it solo. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
I'm not sure how it works with other MTA's, but my Sendmail servers all include information on which BL they were blocked by and a URL to visit in order to get removed when their system is fixed. On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem here is that you assume that when people get bounced mail, they understand why, and attempt to take corrective action. Most people haven't the foggiest clue what a bounced email means, and will most likely just delete it and move on. Punishing the innocent isn't going to win a spam war. It just puts them in the middle as you throw grenades at the spammers on the other side. -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Service Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
RBL's are still better than SA or other filters... Why? Because properly selected RBL's (ie. Deterministic, easy to get off of) actually allow you to block based on a PROBLEM! RBL's that you want to use are Open Relay black lists and Dialup server blacklists. These are PROBLEMS to be FIXED. They aren't attempting to look for the appropriate number of Free and XXX in the email, which could be used in real life email. I have been blocked before. I used to administer a GroupWise system that was difficult to lock down. This was before I learned about RBL's. They rightfully flagged my server as an Open Relay (anyone can send email to anywhere/anyone) and when I checked the server, we had a HUGE backlog of emails which the spammers had sent to anyone and everyone. We got the server configured correctly and then got off the RBL. It was inconvenient, but RBL's are a real part of a good strategy against SPAM, and will be around for as long as SPAM is around. And this is why. On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:09:31 -0400 Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When our ISP blocked mail intended for my company (we're a small company, don't want to administer a mail server locally) based on RBL's, I pitched a major fit with them. We're a business, we don't want ANY mail blocked. They were pretty good at determining what to block, about 95% right, but it was the 5% of legitimate mails that they blocked that caused considerable problems. They now use SpamAssassin and spam gets marked, but delivered. Much better for our end users. Some legit mail gets a SAPM tag, and some spam goes un-tagged, but it's much more managable for our users. (FWIW) -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Service Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
That still won't mean anything to the average user out there. On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Matthew Carpenter wrote: I'm not sure how it works with other MTA's, but my Sendmail servers all include information on which BL they were blocked by and a URL to visit in order to get removed when their system is fixed. On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem here is that you assume that when people get bounced mail, they understand why, and attempt to take corrective action. Most people haven't the foggiest clue what a bounced email means, and will most likely just delete it and move on. Punishing the innocent isn't going to win a spam war. It just puts them in the middle as you throw grenades at the spammers on the other side. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I am dissatisfied
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:06:24 +1000, Keith Antoine wrote: On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:12 pm, Federico Voges wrote: If you wan't a Caldera like distro, checkout Lycoris (formerly Redmond Linux). It's based on Caldera's LTP (it even uses Lizard). http://www.lycoris.com/ Bye! Federico Voges Yes I knew Joseph when he was just one of the crowd on the old Caldera list. I have often wondered about Lycoris, but what I heard was that it was mainly for newbies and not too may developed files etc. I still have his mails explaining how to make a new distro :) Regarding Lycoris... yes, it's newby oriented but it's a nice distro. Maybe you find what you want in it. If you have the time, it's worth checking it. Bye! Federico Voges Socio gerente Intrasoft Tel/Fax: 54-11-4833-5182 Malabia 2137 14 A e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C1425EZC) Buenos Aires Web: http://www.intrasoft.com.ar Argentina ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
About 2 years ago our state (Arkansas, US) passed Do Not Call legislation with the usual hoopla and moaning from the telemarketing scum. So I sent $5.00 to our Attorney General to put my numbers on the list. And my phone has largely gone dead silent except for the few exceptions that were unfortunately allowed in the legislation. We've done this now at the national level, would it be so hard to pass Do Not E-mail legislation also? (And while I objected to having to pay $5.00 for it, it would have been a bargain at 10x the price. Peace and quiet is worth alot.) Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
Fine. But end users won't care, or simply don't understand. I got calls from irate users, people trying to send my company e-mail, demanding to know why I was blocking their mail. 1. It wasn't *me* blocking it. 2. They couldn't care in the least why they were blocked. 3. Half of those who *would* care, are clueess as to how to get it fixed. Fine, identify open relays and have them fixed, obviously tag mail as spam, but don't *block* the mail from its intended recipient. Besides, SA *does* use RBL's to determine whether somethiing gets tagged as spam, in addition to the logic regarding the number of Free and XXX in the email (IIRC)... On 7/30/2003 2:57 PM, someone claiming to be Matthew Carpenter wrote: RBL's are still better than SA or other filters... Why? Because properly selected RBL's (ie. Deterministic, easy to get off of) actually allow you to block based on a PROBLEM! RBL's that you want to use are Open Relay black lists and Dialup server blacklists. These are PROBLEMS to be FIXED. They aren't attempting to look for the appropriate number of Free and XXX in the email, which could be used in real life email. I have been blocked before. I used to administer a GroupWise system that was difficult to lock down. This was before I learned about RBL's. They rightfully flagged my server as an Open Relay (anyone can send email to anywhere/anyone) and when I checked the server, we had a HUGE backlog of emails which the spammers had sent to anyone and everyone. We got the server configured correctly and then got off the RBL. It was inconvenient, but RBL's are a real part of a good strategy against SPAM, and will be around for as long as SPAM is around. And this is why. On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:09:31 -0400 Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When our ISP blocked mail intended for my company (we're a small company, don't want to administer a mail server locally) based on RBL's, I pitched a major fit with them. We're a business, we don't want ANY mail blocked. They were pretty good at determining what to block, about 95% right, but it was the 5% of legitimate mails that they blocked that caused considerable problems. They now use SpamAssassin and spam gets marked, but delivered. Much better for our end users. Some legit mail gets a SAPM tag, and some spam goes un-tagged, but it's much more managable for our users. (FWIW) ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ronnie gauthier wrote: | I've had it with spam, RBL's bite. So what to do? | I have taken drastic measures. I wish others would follow suit. We could kill | spam in short order. How? I have got fed up with yahoo a while back and blocked | them. A while back I had a rash of spam from comcast.com and mail them and | complained heavily, it stopped. Until this week. Now comcast is blocked. | When I say blocked I dont mean filtered I mean blocked from all my domains and | clients mail servers. FSCK to domains with a lax attitude about spam, let them | eat bounces. | ___ | Linux-users mailing list | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users I attended the USENIX conference in San Antonio last month for the Sendmail seminar. Eric Allman (the author of Sendmail) said that in the near future we will see email become fragmentary and crippled due to the neglect by ISP's to adequately punish the spammers they're providing services to, or condoning through their inaction. More and more people and companies will flatly refuse any mail from entire netblocks or domains which will cripple the ability of legitimate users to communicate with the rest of the world. The key is to inform those people of the exact reasoning why their ISP is bad and encourage them to use someone legitimate. If the ISP has no customers because they're blacklisted, the problem will become theirs, instead of ours. Personally, I encourage the use of blacklists, provided they're responsible, act quickly, and provide unbiased services that allow a problem to be fixed and remove the offender as quickly as they list them. Somewhere between allowing it all, and blocking it all is the happy medium, and it's going to be different for everyone. - -- Andrew Mathews - - ~ 1:45pm up 17 days, 18:15, 9 users, load average: 1.06, 1.03, 1.00 - - : is not an identifier - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Netscape - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/KCPsidHQ0m/kEssRAlEiAJ9WKhW/7G4wZ5wA/hPdwQ/ZTv6LSQCfe8WD vAlMLcDPEIC+YCwjD71bZKg= =kvZ5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:03:09 -0400 Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From an end user perspective, I've found Mozilla's junk mail filtering to be fantastic at determining what's junk and what's not. Much better than plain SpamAssassin. Although, current SpamAssassin is supposed to be able to do Bayesian analysis, it's not nearly as user friendly as using Mozilla Mail. But for KMail's superiority in handling mailing lists, I'd have moved my home e-mail to Mozilla already. I had found a link that described how to automate the use of SpamAssassin's Bayesian filtering, but I haven't actually tried it yet.off to google spamassasin bayesian filter here it is: http://spamassassin.rediris.es/doc/sa-learn.html I've been using popfile for a while and it works great. It also uses Bayesian filtering. http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ Bill ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:47:51 -0500 David A. Bandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Next week, I send out a past due notice with a note that if they don't pay within a week, I'll start court proceedings against them for non-payment. I plan to sequester their company as part of the whole thing. Will let folks know as I go how it goes. David, I'm all for it! May the Bandwidth be with you also! Terence ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: trying to compile 2.6 kernel
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:11 am, Net Llama! wrote: On 07/29/03 17:49, Keith Antoine wrote: Well at least my computer is stubborn and consistent: [EMAIL PROTECTED] linux-2.6.0-test1]# make gconfig * * Unable to find the GTK+ installation. Please make sure that * the GTK+ 2.0 development package is correctly installed... * You need gtk+-2.0, glib-2.0 and libglade-2.0. what do you get from the following commands: rpm -q gtk+ rpm -q libglade rpm -q glib The only one that returns a negative is gtk+, however it is installed. I am guessing that its missing its devel file but I cannot find a compatible gtk+2.0-2.2.2.rpm that is installed on this computer. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 03:12 am, Douglas J Hunley wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Keith Antoine shocked and awed us all by speaking: Now what I want is the old Caldera back and updated, but that is a pipe dream of course. So I have Redhat 9.0 (shrike) and also Slackware 9.0 on why is this a pipe dream? almost the whole damn distro is 100% OSS (the only exceptions being a little bit of the management guis). I'm sure the community could certainly break out an old copy of eD 2.4 and then make it current hell, we could even provide resources for it on the SxS site (within reason) - -- Doug, mate! Do you not remember one angry old fart a couple of years ago that was not going to let go of Caldera. He tried updating for a while till he became a real nuciance on a certain list. It became too involved and masochistic even though I do have leanings that way. Not only that my memory retention spans 90 seconds. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I get a lot from router
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 04:25 am, Matthew Carpenter wrote: Hope it's all working for you. I've been offline for a week so I might have missed it, but what's the status of this? Are you able to use both machines at the same time? Matt Yes Matt, its working fine as soon as I put the router in. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 04:40 am, Douglas J Hunley wrote: true dat. just want to keep reminding people that if they are willing to put their money where their mouth is, we can help a lot... I have all the time needed but not the expertise anymore. The only thing that I can contribute is time and labour, there would have to be a dedicated list for this too, easy nuff I guess. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 03:39 am, Net Llama! wrote: We've gone this route before. I mentioend that there's no point in starting such a project unless: 0) A sufficient number of people are willing to contribute 1) All of those people have the time to see it through to completion I'm quite happy to get involved with this, but i don't want to spend many hours for something that will die from neglect. I agree it could be done, but I proved that a lone yachtsman was not the way. It would have to be a comitted group effort. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 04:48 am, Net Llama! wrote: Indeed. I've got lots of ideas, but i don't have the time or skillz to do it solo. Ummm, just as a test case, are there people out there interested enough to get involved, as advisors and ideas men plus wall bouncers grin. WARNING, this could be addictive. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout
On Wednesday 30 July 2003 02:59 pm, Keith Antoine wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 03:20 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 18:20, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: A group in Australia has filed a complaint with the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission about SCO's attempt to license users of the Linux 2.4 kernel. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7037mode=threadorde r=0 I'm going to salute this initiative with a 1/2 liter can of Fosters tonight. IMHO, VB would be better. Oh, we are getting nasty. VB and Fosters ?? is the Queensland beer. I thought Foster's was just the cheap stuff that they imported to us gringos in the States and that no real self-respecting Aussie would touch the stuff?? -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd Rather Be Sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:47:51 -0500 - David A. Bandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Re: spam issues Go get 'em. As an ISP, I'm striking back locally. I own my netblocks. I have my sights on a local spammer. I've now billed them 2 months for using my servers and my bandwidth for their commercial advertising to my clients. Next week, I send out a past due notice with a note that if they don't pay within a week, I'll start court proceedings against them for non-payment. I plan to sequester their company as part of the whole thing. Will let folks know as I go how it goes. In the states, I'd suggest not suing the spammers, but go after the folks hiring them. Many spam links lead to companies/servers in the US. Go after those folks with a vengeance. I suspect you'll have to be using your own mail server to make claims like I am. But if companies start learning that hiring spammers will land them in court, they'll probably stop and spam will become a non-issue. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. Nemesis Racing Team motto GPG key autoresponder: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:57:47 -0400 - Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Re: spam issues I agree with you in theory but all RBL's are not equal. But what I've seen is that once on one its a bitch to get unlisted. They also get legitimate web sites in the same block as the spammer. We got RBL'd once. It was a nightmare. Ya, it was our fault, we were open for a bit but the result was that even after the block was lifted we were still blocked at many domains and had to contact them individualy. I remember it took forever to get IBM to unblock us. That is a lesson not forgotten. That is why I chose to block by domain. RBL's are still better than SA or other filters... Why? Because properly selected RBL's (ie. Deterministic, easy to get off of) actually allow you to block based on a PROBLEM! RBL's that you want to use are Open Relay black lists and Dialup server blacklists. These are PROBLEMS to be FIXED. They aren't attempting to look for the appropriate number of Free and XXX in the email, which could be used in real life email. I have been blocked before. I used to administer a GroupWise system that was difficult to lock down. This was before I learned about RBL's. They rightfully flagged my server as an Open Relay (anyone can send email to anywhere/anyone) and when I checked the server, we had a HUGE backlog of emails which the spammers had sent to anyone and everyone. We got the server configured correctly and then got off the RBL. It was inconvenient, but RBL's are a real part of a good strategy against SPAM, and will be around for as long as SPAM is around. And this is why. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:46:40 -0400 - Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Re: spam issues Its been a few years since I dealt with being blocked and have hated and not used RBL's since then. I'll have to take another look at them again now. thanks! Using the appropriate RBL's can lead to a drop in 95% of all spam, and I have yet to hear complaints. The trick is choosing RBL's that are comprehensive, deterministic, and responsive. This means that some of the RBL's out there that don't allow your servers off the list when closed just don't find their way in my config. I also use SpamAssassin and Bogofilter (Bayesian algorithm) and tagging (allowing the filtering to be done at the client or last server with procmail/sieve instead of at the front-end servers. Since I also use RBL's I can't tell you how effective these are. I hardly ever see spam... Frying Spam: http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/03/06/index2a.html On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:13:52 -0500 ronnie gauthier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had it with spam, RBL's bite. So what to do? I have taken drastic measures. I wish others would follow suit. We could kill spam in short order. How? I have got fed up with yahoo a while back and blocked them. A while back I had a rash of spam from comcast.com and mail them and complained heavily, it stopped. Until this week. Now comcast is blocked. When I say blocked I dont mean filtered I mean blocked from all my domains and clients mail servers. FSCK to domains with a lax attitude about spam, let them eat bounces. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:00:44 -0600 - Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Re: spam issues -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ronnie gauthier wrote: | I've had it with spam, RBL's bite. So what to do? | I have taken drastic measures. I wish others would follow suit. We could kill | spam in short order. How? I have got fed up with yahoo a while back and blocked | them. A while back I had a rash of spam from comcast.com and mail them and | complained heavily, it stopped. Until this week. Now comcast is blocked. | When I say blocked I dont mean filtered I mean blocked from all my domains and | clients mail servers. FSCK to domains with a lax attitude about spam, let them | eat bounces. | ___ | Linux-users mailing list | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users I attended the USENIX conference in San Antonio last month for the Sendmail seminar. Eric Allman (the author of Sendmail) said that in the near future we will see email become fragmentary and crippled due to the neglect by ISP's to adequately punish the spammers they're providing services to, or condoning through their inaction. More and more people and companies will flatly refuse any mail from entire netblocks or domains which will cripple the ability of legitimate users to communicate with the rest of the world. The key is to inform those people of the exact reasoning why their ISP is bad and encourage them to use someone legitimate. If the ISP has no customers because they're blacklisted, the problem will become theirs, instead of ours. Personally, I encourage the use of blacklists, provided they're responsible, act quickly, and provide unbiased services that allow a problem to be fixed and remove the offender as quickly as they list them. Somewhere between allowing it all, and blocking it all is the happy medium, and it's going to be different for everyone. I realize that I'm not alone in blocking domains and that it is mainly an act of total frustration and completely unfair to the unculpable user. OTOH, as I stated before, one domain...big deal...one hundred...BIG DEAL. blocked by one domain and you will beleive your ISP when they say something wrong on the other end. But if 50% of everything they send gets refused...then, well, the ISP cannot say it is an outside problem any longer. That is a huge incentive not to host spammers or to tolerate misuse of their system. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)
Doug, Skippy I am in school finally in last year, 5 classes left, I would like to join in an adventure like this. I still like the old Calder 2.4 system some of the 3.1.1 too. I am an experinced developer, but never on a system lke this. There are some thing I would like to see too. It will take many of us and some one of Kurt, DEP, Bruce types to guide the project I would assume. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Linux Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
OT Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout
Tony Alfrey wrote: On Wednesday 30 July 2003 02:59 pm, Keith Antoine wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 03:20 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 18:20, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: A group in Australia has filed a complaint with the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission about SCO's attempt to license users of the Linux 2.4 kernel. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7037mode=threadorde r=0 I'm going to salute this initiative with a 1/2 liter can of Fosters tonight. IMHO, VB would be better. Oh, we are getting nasty. VB and Fosters ?? is the Queensland beer. I thought Foster's was just the cheap stuff that they imported to us gringos in the States and that no real self-respecting Aussie would touch the stuff?? Yes Fosters is an Export Brand and there is a joke about beer it goes: Why do Queenslanders call their beer ? Because they can't spell Beer! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
gee. what a surprise.
i could have sworn i read something like this on linux and main awhile back . . . http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5057840.html?tag=fd_top An IBM executive has claimed that a set of forces is attempting to derail Linux, and hinted that Microsoft and SCO Group are among those responsible. Al Zollar, a general manager of sales for IBM eServer iSeries, told delegates attending the company's Asia Pacific Strategic Planning Conference in Queensland, Australia, on Tuesday that a set of forces was attempting to stymie adoption of the open-source operating system. They're mostly located in Redmond, although they have recruited a few allies, said Zollar. Microsoft has its headquarters in Redmond, Wash. Zollar then indicated that SCO was part of the alliance. The company, based in Lindon, Utah, has made intellectual property claims to certain code contained in some versions of Linux and is maneuvering to gather license fees from commercial applications of the operating system. . . . -- dep Feelings of worthlessness are often brought on by worthlessness. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout
Tony Alfrey wrote: On Wednesday 30 July 2003 02:59 pm, Keith Antoine wrote: > On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 03:20 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: > > On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 18:20, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: > > > A group in Australia has filed a complaint with the Australian > > > Competition and Consumer Commission about SCO's > > > attempt to "license" users of the Linux 2.4 kernel. > > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7037mode=threadorde > > >r=0 > > > > > > I'm going to salute this initiative with a 1/2 liter can of > > > Fosters tonight. > > > > IMHO, VB would be better. > > Oh, we are getting nasty. VB and Fosters ?? is the Queensland > beer. I thought Foster's was just the cheap stuff that they imported to us gringos in the States and that no real self-respecting Aussie would touch the stuff?? Here in the Sovereign State of North Carolingia the Booze Bureaucrats decide what can be sold to us groundlings. This is fittingly analogous to the method by which M$ and SCO contrive with the politicians and judiciary to limit our OS choices. (Note the crafty way I keep this post from going TID.) Actually, I could sure go for a Belgian Rodenbach right now, but the North Carolina Booze Bureaucrats have ruled that I may not buy this delectable brew here. SCOL! -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 2.8 Debian System LI ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
ronnie gauthier wrote: I've had it with spam, RBL's bite. So what to do? I have taken drastic measures. I wish others would follow suit. We could kill spam in short order. How? I have got fed up with yahoo a while back and blocked them. A while back I had a rash of spam from comcast.com and mail them and complained heavily, it stopped. Until this week. Now comcast is blocked. When I say blocked I dont mean filtered I mean blocked from all my domains and clients mail servers. FSCK to domains with a lax attitude about spam, let them eat bounces. Unfortunately it's not comcast that will eat the bounces. In order to get broadband service (DSL is not offered), I have to use comcast.net (I don't know anything about comcast.com), and since people are so friendly about bulk blocking of anything they don't like, I already have one user list that I can neither unsubscribe from nor post to, since all mail is bounced. comcast.net users have no control. Fortunately, I'm not being blocked by any other group. It seems to me that spam filters would be a more friendly approach, rather than assuming that all users on the domain are spam. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
IBM: forces at work
4. IBM exec: 'Forces' at work against Linux A set of forces is attempting to derail Linux, a Big Blue exec tells conference-goers, hinting that Microsoft and SCO Group are among those responsible. Wed Jul 30 12:57:00 PDT 2003 http://ct.com.com/click?q=00-4FQlI9QgB2TqEN9cw4iQHPpBYh4R -- Powered by GENTOO LINUX ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
Matthew Carpenter wrote: Using the appropriate RBL's can lead to a drop in 95% of all spam, and I have yet to hear complaints. Probably no complaints because you aren't really affected by the action of the RBLs. If everyone used them, I would see a 95% reduction of my personal email (not spam) and never be able to send email. If you have the wherewithal to run your own email server, you can take this cavalier attitude; some of us don't have that luxury. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 06:15:17PM -0600, collins wrote: ... Unfortunately it's not comcast that will eat the bounces. In order to get broadband service (DSL is not offered), I have to use comcast.net (I don't know anything about comcast.com), and since people are so friendly about bulk blocking of anything they don't like, I already have one user list that I can neither unsubscribe from nor post to, since all mail is bounced. comcast.net users have no control. Fortunately, I'm not being blocked by any other group. It seems to me that spam filters would be a more friendly approach, rather than assuming that all users on the domain are spam. You might be surprised at who's blocking comcast, and not just with RBLs, but router level blocks on SMTP from 12.254.0.0/16 and 172.128.0.0/10. We're talking some major U.S. national broadband providers who've given up on trying to get comcast/attbi to deal with their issues. AOL recently started block connections from any server that doesn't have rDNS (Reverse Domain Name Service). We've been doing that here for several months, and it has done wonders for the spam levels with few false positives. This isn't blocking on rDNS that doesn't agree with the HELO announcement, only hosts with no rDNS. It can be argued that anybody who's running a legitimate mail server should at least be able to get some type of rDNS working (and yes, I know of a local ISP here who's DSL netblocks come from uu.net, and uu.net can't/won't delegate the rDNS to the ISP). Folks on this list may well argue that this shouldn't apply to them, but for every cable/dsl use who has a clue, there are thousands who don't. The clueless ones install Windows systems directly to their broadband connection with no firewall/router, giving access to all the insecure Microsoft stuff (but I repeat myself). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Systems, Inc. UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle. -- Winston Churchill ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
Matthew Carpenter wrote: I'm not sure how it works with other MTA's, but my Sendmail servers all include information on which BL they were blocked by and a URL to visit in order to get removed when their system is fixed. Yeah, except that I'm the one having his mail blocked and I have no way to fixed the system. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 06:41:31PM -0600, collins wrote: Matthew Carpenter wrote: I'm not sure how it works with other MTA's, but my Sendmail servers all include information on which BL they were blocked by and a URL to visit in order to get removed when their system is fixed. Postfix makes it easy to allow mail for certain addresses to come in before doing any RBL checking. We accept all mail to our major role accounts, postmaster, abuse, hostname, and support, so that we can get reports about blocking problems. Yeah, except that I'm the one having his mail blocked and I have no way to fixed the system. No way? We provide uucp over TCP connections to quite a few cable customers which allows them to send/receive mail without worrying about their provider's blocking policies on port 25. So far I haven't seen a broadband provider who even knows about the uucp ports, much less blocks them. This has a secondary benefit in that the customer's e-mail doesn't have anything to do with the provider's system so none of our cable customers have had to change anything on their e-mail through the @HOME to ATTBI, to COMCAST transitions. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 http://www.celestial.com/ You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence. -- Charles A. Beard ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout
On 30 Jul 2003 19:20:48 +0200 Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] professed: IMHO, VB would be better. Cascade is my choice. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:59:01 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] professed: Oh, we are getting nasty. VB and Fosters ?? is the Queensland beer. Come now Skippy. You know as well as I thats its because Queenslanders can't spell S#!T Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 collins wrote: | Matthew Carpenter wrote: | | I'm not sure how it works with other MTA's, but my Sendmail servers all | include information on which BL they were blocked by and a URL to | visit in | order to get removed when their system is fixed. | | | Yeah, except that I'm the one having his mail blocked and I have no way | to fixed the system. | Use a responsible ISP instead? Why should you suffer because they're incompetent? As long as they're the only game in town they don't *have* to bend to meet customer demands. When you start spending your money with someone else, large chunks of material suddenly falls out of their ears and their hearing gets a lot better. - -- Andrew Mathews - - ~ 7:45pm up 18 days, 14 min, 9 users, load average: 0.98, 1.04, 1.02 - - Suspicion always haunts the guilty mind. -- Wm. Shakespeare - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Netscape - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD4DBQE/KHclidHQ0m/kEssRAncGAJ908bZq+6Qg3ka9Fqvr9JiVFFHECACXbdKj 0/bq2tjfnAwOtsbFVPVohg== =8GRC -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: spam issues
I have followed this thread with interest and as far as I am concerned the only way to get people to notice is to hurt their pocket book. I am not sure how to best go about doing this except for refusing to use ISP's that are tolerant of Spammers. Blocking domains doesn't really work. One of my customer's employees couldn't send mail to his house because his personal ISP was using RBL's and the work mail server ip was in an address block that had been listed. The employees personal ISP refused to let the mail through. (Get your IP off the list) and the business ISP couldn't or wouldn't get the address block off the list. Our solution was to switch to a new ISP. (Someone else probably got the bad address). Blocking legitimate email can be worse for your business than the spam. We can't afford to have customers orders blocked and even though I do use RBL's, I spent a fair bit of time monitoring the system at the beginning to make sure we didn't miss anything and now all of our customers/vendors etc get whitelisted. One idea that I like but has not gained much acceptance is the programs like TMDA where someone has to be on your whitelist before mail is accepted. A solution like this would only work if it was widely accepted and some easy yet secure method of getting added to the list was possible. (Maybe something similar to the way people sign up for user groups). Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 416-744-7949 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 416-744-0406 FAX www.LynchDigital.com -Original Message- From: collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matthew Carpenter wrote: Using the appropriate RBL's can lead to a drop in 95% of all spam, and I have yet to hear complaints. Probably no complaints because you aren't really affected by the action of the RBLs. If everyone used them, I would see a 95% reduction of my personal email (not spam) and never be able to send email. If you have the wherewithal to run your own email server, you can take this cavalier attitude; some of us don't have that luxury. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
Andrew Mathews wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 collins wrote: | Matthew Carpenter wrote: | | I'm not sure how it works with other MTA's, but my Sendmail servers all | include information on which BL they were blocked by and a URL to | visit in | order to get removed when their system is fixed. | | | Yeah, except that I'm the one having his mail blocked and I have no way | to fixed the system. | Use a responsible ISP instead? Why should you suffer because they're incompetent? As long as they're the only game in town they don't *have* to bend to meet customer demands. When you start spending your money with someone else, large chunks of material suddenly falls out of their ears and their hearing gets a lot better. That presumes you have a choice. As I stated earlier, there is no high speed access choice here. Even if there were, as soon as I were to switch, all the control freaks who have chimed in would decide that there is something wrong with my new isp and block that domain as well. If you guys have your way, the average Joe out there will have no way of obtaining email access. Webnazis 'r us. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:34:12 -0700 - Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Re: spam issues On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 06:15:17PM -0600, collins wrote: ... Unfortunately it's not comcast that will eat the bounces. In order to get broadband service (DSL is not offered), I have to use comcast.net (I don't know anything about comcast.com), and since people are so friendly about bulk blocking of anything they don't like, I already have one user list that I can neither unsubscribe from nor post to, since all mail is bounced. comcast.net users have no control. Fortunately, I'm not being blocked by any other group. It seems to me that spam filters would be a more friendly approach, rather than assuming that all users on the domain are spam. No wonder I never saw your post. Comcast is unable to maintain control of their system, abuse is rampant. An email addy from comcast is getting more and more useless each day. You might be surprised at who's blocking comcast, and not just with RBLs, but router level blocks on SMTP from 12.254.0.0/16 and 172.128.0.0/10. We're talking some major U.S. national broadband providers who've given up on trying to get comcast/attbi to deal with their issues. AOL recently started block connections from any server that doesn't have rDNS (Reverse Domain Name Service). We've been doing that here for several months, and it has done wonders for the spam levels with few false positives. This isn't blocking on rDNS that doesn't agree with the HELO announcement, only hosts with no rDNS. It can be argued that anybody who's running a legitimate mail server should at least be able to get some type of rDNS working (and yes, I know of a local ISP here who's DSL netblocks come from uu.net, and uu.net can't/won't delegate the rDNS to the ISP). Folks on this list may well argue that this shouldn't apply to them, but for every cable/dsl use who has a clue, there are thousands who don't. The clueless ones install Windows systems directly to their broadband connection with no firewall/router, giving access to all the insecure Microsoft stuff (but I repeat myself). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Systems, Inc. UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle. -- Winston Churchill ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
