spamassassin's sa-learn
have you ever toyed with the Bayesian learner? I wonder where SA stores her rules. -- .~.Might, Courage, Vision. In Linux We Trust. / v \ http://www.linux-sxs.org /( _ )\ Linux 2.4.22-xfs ^ ^6:06pm up 1 day, 6:59, 1 user, load average: 1.10, 1.04, 1.01 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spamassassin's sa-learn
sorry, I found it in the doc. it's in users' home directories or be specified by bayes_path in site config file local.cf. M.W. Chang wrote: have you ever toyed with the Bayesian learner? I wonder where SA stores her rules. -- .~.Might, Courage, Vision. In Linux We Trust. / v \ http://www.linux-sxs.org /( _ )\ Linux 2.4.22-xfs ^ ^8:28pm up 1 day, 9:21, 1 user, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Dual nics
List Is tere someone who has setup their laptop with both lan nic wireless. Using gentoo, that should not matter too much maybe. I have a dell latitude, regular lan pcmcia runs well, bought a wireless for school work, .11b from dlink. I would like the system to detect card and auto setup if possible. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Linux Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Textmaker open for business
Alan Jackson wrote: If you want to buy textmaker for $11, the site is now open for business... I ordered a couple of copies last night for $22. The download instructions and serial numbers were in my mailbox this morning. Nice. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SBC Yahoo DSL
Matthew Carpenter wrote: Anyone have any experience with SBC Yahoo DSL and Linux? I believe it's PPPoE setup but I can't figure out how to generate or find a username and password... Then, I'm attempting to use an ethernet card to plug into the DSL Modem. So far I've seen nothing. SBC Yahoo wants you to install their DSL Dialer software from CD... Anyway, if you have any advice, that would be great! I've installed it several places. It's standard PPPoE. The hard part is getting the username/password out of them. I never found a way except to install that HORRID Yahoo software on a disposable Win box just so I could get into their server and get a username/password assigned. Then chunk the Win box and plug the info into a router or whatever. If there is a way to get them to assign the username/password without logging in with all that awful Yahoo software, I'd like to learn about. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Updated Step
Doug Hunley has just updated http://www.linux-sxs.org/internet_browsing/mozilla.html to incorporate the following: Updated for 1.5 release ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
SB PCI 16 (ens1371) sound card with alsa (workaround)
FYI, A few months back I posted a query about getting my sound card to work with alsa (already working with the OSS es1371 module). After endless experimentation and reporting the problem to alsa (basically no response from them, alas and damn), I finally have a workaround. I'm using the alsa modules in the 2.6 kernel, but I imagine this would apply to the separately installed alsa modules for 2.4 as well. The answer to this in a nutshell is that the ens1371 module (or devfsd) is not smart enough to initialize the card properly on the first attempt. All the standard alsa instructions (generating modules, setting up aliases for module loading) are correct as published. If I utilize a boot time runscript or simply issue modprobe snd-ens1371, the sound card clicks to indicate that it is working, but devfsd does not generate the /dev/dsp, etc. entries, so the card is not usable. What I have to do is modprobe snd-ens1371 rmmod snd-ens1371 modprobe snd-ens137 I don't know whether this is a bug with alsa or with devfsd, but at least I have a workaround. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Braindead Windows
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:02:05 -0800 Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 10 November 2003 08:11 pm, Joel Hammer wrote: Yes, I have also found another use for windows. Politics. I have gotten, by default, the job of getting us up and going with digital photography in our pathology department. You have to experience it to believe it, but our IS department is trying to make my life as difficult as possible because I bought a computer from the digital camera company, not through IS. Our IS steals software and hardware from people who buy through them and not straight from the vendor. Seriously. And, of course, IS bids for hardware are slow and over priced. If I suggested linux, they would use that against me for sure and fight like tooth and nail all the way. We are talking seriously computer impaired but politically savvy people. They have to be politically savvy because they keep their jobs despite knowing nothing about computers. I consulted for a place once that, when I told IS I wanted to run linux on the in-house computer they gave me to use, basically threated to fire me. I literally had to hide the linux partition on the box. I'm not there anymore, and I'm sure the partition is still there. They probably can't figure out why the hard disk only appears to be half as big as it is supposed to be. Just another proof of the maxim: If you don't know sh*t, you will be put in charge of those who do. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Braindead Windows
On Tuesday 11 November 2003 10:36 am, Collins Richey wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:02:05 -0800 Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 10 November 2003 08:11 pm, Joel Hammer wrote: Yes, I have also found another use for windows. Politics. I have gotten, by default, the job of getting us up and going with digital photography in our pathology department. You have to experience it to believe it, but our IS department is trying to make my life as difficult as possible because I bought a computer from the digital camera company, not through IS. Our IS steals software and hardware from people who buy through them and not straight from the vendor. Seriously. And, of course, IS bids for hardware are slow and over priced. If I suggested linux, they would use that against me for sure and fight like tooth and nail all the way. We are talking seriously computer impaired but politically savvy people. They have to be politically savvy because they keep their jobs despite knowing nothing about computers. I consulted for a place once that, when I told IS I wanted to run linux on the in-house computer they gave me to use, basically threated to fire me. I literally had to hide the linux partition on the box. I'm not there anymore, and I'm sure the partition is still there. They probably can't figure out why the hard disk only appears to be half as big as it is supposed to be. Just another proof of the maxim: If you don't know sh*t, you will be put in charge of those who do. True, perhaps; but a little harsh. People fear failure; and most have learned that Unix is too hard. I remember, as I shopped for my first computer, being told that DOS was too hard for normal people; and that I would never use the full power of the new Mac-Plus. A few years later, as Windows 3.1 and 3.11 came out, I heard the word Unix; but always in the context that it was too hard. Somewhere along the way, the thought that the command line was too hard became an assumed truth -- a mild, communal brainwashing, if you will. In a society where so much effort is made to make our world more convenient, it is not natural to challenge such truths -- just use Windows. It's as fair to think that IT professionals know better as it is to think that doctors don't abuse drugs, legislators always obey the law and CPA's never bounce checks. In the course of learning Linux I've come to the realization that many IS staff are just people with jobs. It's not the way I want it; but I can work with it. Andrew Gould ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Love on board
Former Caldera CEO Ransom Love joins Progeny board http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/11/11/0333248 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Love on board
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:48:30 -0500 Chris Kassopulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Former Caldera CEO Ransom Love joins Progeny board http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/11/11/0333248 I haven't kept track of Progeny, but after visiting their website, one thing is apparent: In spite of the fact that Ian Murdock runs the show, the only reference on their home page to GNU-bleeding-linux is in a link to a news article! There is hope. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Love on board
Collins Richey wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:48:30 -0500 Chris Kassopulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Former Caldera CEO Ransom Love joins Progeny board http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/11/11/0333248 I haven't kept track of Progeny, but after visiting their website, one thing is apparent: In spite of the fact that Ian Murdock runs the show, the only reference on their home page to GNU-bleeding-linux is in a link to a news article! There is hope. Forgive my ignorance, but isn't this former ceo the one who lead Caldera to it's present state of affairs? -- Ken ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Love on board
On Tuesday 11 November 2003 01:33 pm, Ken Moffat wrote: Collins Richey wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:48:30 -0500 Chris Kassopulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Former Caldera CEO Ransom Love joins Progeny board http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/11/11/0333248 I haven't kept track of Progeny, but after visiting their website, one thing is apparent: In spite of the fact that Ian Murdock runs the show, the only reference on their home page to GNU-bleeding-linux is in a link to a news article! There is hope. Forgive my ignorance, but isn't this former ceo the one who lead Caldera to it's present state of affairs? Yes and no. Ransom Love was a strong advocate of Linux in business, Linux standards, binary compatibility (is this the correct term?) between Unix and Linux, and the creation of United Linux. It is my understanding that Caldera contributed to many open source projects, including RPM. So yes, he had a hand in many of today's circumstances; however, I choose to disassociate today's SCO from Ransom Love's Caldera that created eDesktop 2.4. (Ahh, the memories of my early newbiness.) In an interview, Mr. Love declined to comment on the merits SCO's lawsuit; but he made it clear that he would have handled the entire situation differently. From an outsider's view (outside of Caldera), I think his statement is consistent with his past actions. Andrew Gould ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Love on board
Ken Moffat wrote: Forgive my ignorance, but isn't this former ceo the one who lead Caldera to it's present state of affairs? Love can be blamed for a number of bad decisions at Caldera, but compared to the current despotic regime at SCO, he looks like my very best friend. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RHEL Fedora Comparison
Red Hat finally put up a fairly well done side-by-side comparison between RH Enterprise Linux, Fedora and the now discontinued RH Linux. http://www.redhat.com/software/rhelorfedora/ Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Love on board
quoth Ken Moffat: | Forgive my ignorance, but isn't this former ceo the one who lead | Caldera to it's present state of affairs? as a matter of fact, no. he was the guy who thought up unitedlinux. about all you can really pin on him is the silliness that followed edesktop 2.4, in which the best linux distribution ever was cast into a maelstrom of confusion, contradictory policies, and foolishness. but he is not a bad guy -- certainly not in the sense that the current nixon administration retreads who are stripping linux for parts are bad guys. which is to say, they will go to hell and he won't. -- dep Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: textmaker for very little money, tuesday only
Quoth M.W. Chang: better than open office? Yup, in the same way that single malt scotch is better than Listerine. Kurt -- Paranoids are people, too; they have their own problems. It's easy to criticize, but if everybody hated you, you'd be paranoid too. -- D. J. Hicks ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: textmaker for very little money, tuesday only
Quoth dep: i use textmaker -- couldn't live without it -- and it is very, very good. i got this note from 'em tonight and thought i'd pass it along in case anyone had been interested but didn't want to pay $50 for the product (though if it were $200 it would be worth it, imho). Just ordered mine. They sold the first 1,111, but cut loose another 1,111. Thanks for the info, dep! Kurt -- Future looks spotty. You will spill soup in late evening. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Novell buys SuSE!
I have been curious what this means for the Ximian desktop. Novell also bought them. Perhaps a merging of the two? Does this mean SuSE will become more Gnome-ish? That would be too bad, IMHO. But I would love to see Evolution grow. Maybe not crash all the time when connecting to an Outhouse server. The irony is that the one part of Evolution I have actually paid for is the one part that does not work. The rest I like very much. Bumped Sylpheed of the desk... On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 21:11, Shawn L Johnston wrote: On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 18:16, Collins Richey wrote: There are only two possibilities - Novel/SUSE will become a dominent player in the linux marketplace, or they'll go under. I'm betting on the former. I agree. I think this is a good thing for both SuSE and Novell. Commercial linux needs a good buisness backbone and hopefully Novell can provide this since its obvious that Sun is never going to truly step up to the plate. SuSE has good products but horrible Sales people and marginal support services. Red Hat doesn't even bother with sales people. Novell in contrast too Red Hat and SuSE has very responsive sales folks and while somewhat of a behemoth their web based support has excellant documentation. Novell needs to do something new with their buisness though and with their purchase of SilverStream last year and Ximian and SuSE this year it looks like they are going to try something new. Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Novell buys SuSE!
On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 16:35, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: I have been curious what this means for the Ximian desktop. Novell also bought them. Perhaps a merging of the two? Does this mean SuSE will become more Gnome-ish? That would be too bad, IMHO. But I would love to see Evolution grow. Maybe not crash all the time when connecting to an Outhouse server. The irony is that the one part of Evolution I have actually paid for is the one part that does not work. The rest I like very much. Bumped Sylpheed of the desk... I'm using the exchange connector at work and it is fine. It occasionally crashes but not even at a rate that is annoying. Maybe once every couple weeks at the most. After a crash I run 'evolution --force-shutdown' and it always comes right back up and hums along smoothly. Tom Wilson McSwain Carpets 513.771.1400 x124 - A word to the wise is enough. -- Miguel de Cervantes ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Love on board
On Tuesday 11 November 2003 09:48 am, Chris Kassopulo wrote: Former Caldera CEO Ransom Love joins Progeny board http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/11/11/0333248 Way cool! Is Progeny stock traded publicly? I can put in a short sell order first thing Wednesday morning! -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd rather be sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Love on board
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:01:57 -0600 Andrew L. Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So yes, he had a hand in many of today's circumstances; however, I choose to disassociate today's SCO from Ransom Love's Caldera that created eDesktop 2.4. (Ahh, the memories of my early newbiness.) Speaking of which, I was wandering through a MicroCenter store just yesterday and found a copy of Caldera OpenLinux between the RedHats and SuSEs. Shades of yesteryear. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Novell buys SuSE!
On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 22:42, Tom Wilson wrote: On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 16:35, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: I have been curious what this means for the Ximian desktop. Novell also bought them. Perhaps a merging of the two? Does this mean SuSE will become more Gnome-ish? That would be too bad, IMHO. But I would love to see Evolution grow. Maybe not crash all the time when connecting to an Outhouse server. The irony is that the one part of Evolution I have actually paid for is the one part that does not work. The rest I like very much. Bumped Sylpheed of the desk... I'm using the exchange connector at work and it is fine. It occasionally crashes but not even at a rate that is annoying. Maybe once every couple weeks at the most. After a crash I run 'evolution --force-shutdown' and it always comes right back up and hums along smoothly. Are you using Calendars from the exchange server? What version of Evolution are you running? How about of GTK and all that? And what version of exchange server do you access? Here it crashes just about every time when closing. In the previous release, it was also crashing when it was started. We have Evolution 1.4.5 and gtk 2.4.0. I don't know what the version of exchange server is running. It has just been updated, so it is surely recent. -- Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
MS cart before the horse
From a Linux Today quote. Microsoft Corp. is preparing a major PR assault over Windows' perceived security failings in which it will criticize Linux for taking too long to fix bugs... Too bad it's not a major assault on the major source of security problems - Windows architecture. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Braindead Windows
On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 11:36, Collins Richey wrote: Just another proof of the maxim: If you don't know sh*t, you will be put in charge of those who do. Hey, that's me! -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Novell buys SuSE!
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 22:22, Matthew Carpenter wrote: Let's just hope Novell has lost their Reverse-Midas touch... Novell spawned Caldera. I hope this works out better for everyone. Am I dreaming, or did I read somewhere Ransom Love had a stake in this? -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: RHEL Fedora Comparison
Collins Richey wrote: I put up a copy a few days ago and ran it for a few days using the default Gnome and Evolution. It's not a bad distro. Easy to install, but a few fatal flaws. It failed to detect my NIC as a Tulip card (picked some off the wall choice), but it did select the appropriate OSS module form my soundcard, and the printer was setup automatically. Hmm. That's been one of the best features of RHL in recent years - nearly flawless hardware detection. (Tulip cards are about as ordinary as you can get.) Hopefully they're not going backwards in that. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: textmaker for very little money, tuesday only
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:00:35 -0800 Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 11 November 2003 01:23 pm, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth M.W. Chang: better than open office? Yup, in the same way that single malt scotch is better than Listerine. Kurt On this thread, someone commented that they had pretty good success with OO and textmaker re: Word format docs. Just for grins, I loaded up OO and opened up a Word doc that someone just sent me. Looked pretty wierd in OO but looked perfect with textmaker. I've gone both ways OO-Doc and vice versa. The key to getting good results (for me at least) is to have identical fonts. If you are going to do this on a regular basis, you really need a copy of the Windows fonts available to OO. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: RHEL Fedora Comparison
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:17:37 -0600 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Red Hat finally put up a fairly well done side-by-side comparison between RH Enterprise Linux, Fedora and the now discontinued RH Linux. http://www.redhat.com/software/rhelorfedora/ I put up a copy a few days ago and ran it for a few days using the default Gnome and Evolution. It's not a bad distro. Easy to install, but a few fatal flaws. It failed to detect my NIC as a Tulip card (picked some off the wall choice), but it did select the appropriate OSS module form my soundcard, and the printer was setup automatically. Also, you get no choice about maintaining your own bootloader! I had to let fedora install its own version of grub (fancy screen format and all) then remerge the grub.conf entries after rebooting. Uses apm (instead of the newer acpi, and surprisingly enough it works. I made the mistake of signing up (for a day or two) for the fedora email list. Lots of good info, but 400 posts a day! Bleeding edge? No way! There's nary a 2.6 kernel in sight. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Novell buys SuSE!
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:35:56 +0100 Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been curious what this means for the Ximian desktop. Novell also bought them. Perhaps a merging of the two? Does this mean SuSE will become more Gnome-ish? That would be too bad, IMHO. But I would love to see Evolution grow. Maybe not crash all the time when connecting to an Outhouse server. The irony is that the one part of Evolution I have actually paid for is the one part that does not work. The rest I like very much. Bumped Sylpheed of the desk... I used Ximian Evolution for a few days on fedora core 1. Not bad overall. Really simple to setup folders and filters. The one feature I found difficult to get used to was the display of threads - too little indent after the first entry in a thread, so my weak old eyes couldn't pick out start and stop of a thread very easily. I don't have an Outhouse server to try, thank the good lord. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Love on board
On Tuesday 11 November 2003 04:02 pm, Collins Richey wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:01:57 -0600 Andrew L. Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So yes, he had a hand in many of today's circumstances; however, I choose to disassociate today's SCO from Ransom Love's Caldera that created eDesktop 2.4. (Ahh, the memories of my early newbiness.) Speaking of which, I was wandering through a MicroCenter store just yesterday and found a copy of Caldera OpenLinux between the RedHats and SuSEs. Shades of yesteryear. SCO has ceased it's Linux sales. If you buy that copy of OpenLinux, do they still have to support you? Does the fact that they didn't effectively withdraw the product from the shelves affect the lawsuit? Or is the product now considered MicroCenter's responsibility? Given the lawsuit, is MicroCenter have any liability if SCO is right? Maybe MicroCenter will reduce the price if you tell them there's no support and they're selling an IP lawsuit. There's a local computer shop here that's had Corel Linux, 2nd Edition (one standard, one deluxe), on their shelves since I moved here over a year ago.at the original price. I tried to clue the management in on the product's status; but the manager I spoke to has never heard the term sunk cost. Andrew Gould ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
irc.openprojects.net?
I was browsing the Forums section of the Linux-SxS website and noticed the IRC link to irc.openprojects.net. Is this still active? I was unable to connect to it using xchat. Andrew Gould ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Love on board
On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 17:25, Andrew L. Gould wrote: snip I tried to clue the management in on the product's status; but the manager I spoke to has never heard the term sunk cost. More likely he has and that's why he's still trying to sell it. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Love on board
On Tuesday 11 November 2003 04:46 pm, burns wrote: On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 17:25, Andrew L. Gould wrote: snip I tried to clue the management in on the product's status; but the manager I spoke to has never heard the term sunk cost. More likely he has and that's why he's still trying to sell it. No, if he had, he would drop the price and sell it for whatever he could get. At $70 for the Deluxe version, he's not going to recover anything. Andrew ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Love on board
On Tuesday 11 November 2003 02:02 pm, Collins Richey wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:01:57 -0600 Andrew L. Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So yes, he had a hand in many of today's circumstances; however, I choose to disassociate today's SCO from Ransom Love's Caldera that created eDesktop 2.4. (Ahh, the memories of my early newbiness.) Speaking of which, I was wandering through a MicroCenter store just yesterday and found a copy of Caldera OpenLinux between the RedHats and SuSEs. Shades of yesteryear. So my question is, if you bought that and loaded it up, would you be guilty of violating some SCO license? g And could you get the tech support advertised on the box? -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd rather be sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: textmaker for very little money, tuesday only
quoth Leon A. Goldstein: | I ordered a copy this morning. I will only use Textmaker | occasionally to format HTML documents. After playing a bit with the | trial download, I do find Textmaker a lot simpler for the non-expert | to format a HTML document than OO or Staroffice. that's the one thing for which i found textmaker fairly unsuitable -- it behaves like koffice and some others in putting in *way* too much formatting, often more than doubling the size of the document. (actually, kword did a lot to fix this by offering a stripped html formatting option.) there's not a really good linux wysiwig html editor that i've found. -- dep Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: irc.openprojects.net?
On Tuesday 11 November 2003 6:17 pm, someone claiming to be Andrew L. Gould wrote: I was browsing the Forums section of the Linux-SxS website and noticed the IRC link to irc.openprojects.net. Is this still active? I was unable to connect to it using xchat. It's hosted on irc.freenode.net now. Not usually anybody there the last few times I've checked...and no one there now (just Redibruk-away). Tim -- Fedora Core 1, Kernel 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl, KDE 3.1.4, Xfree86 4.3.0 19:50:00 up 2 days, 2:17, 1 user, load average: 0.65, 0.20, 0.07 It's what you learn after you know it all that counts ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: RHEL Fedora Comparison
On Tuesday 11 November 2003 5:14 pm, someone claiming to be Collins Richey wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:17:37 -0600 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Red Hat finally put up a fairly well done side-by-side comparison between RH Enterprise Linux, Fedora and the now discontinued RH Linux. http://www.redhat.com/software/rhelorfedora/ I put up a copy a few days ago and ran it for a few days using the default Gnome and Evolution. It's not a bad distro. Easy to install, but a few fatal flaws. It failed to detect my NIC as a Tulip card (picked some off the wall choice), but it did select the appropriate OSS module form my soundcard, and the printer was setup automatically. Also, you get no choice about maintaining your own bootloader! I had to let fedora install its own version of grub (fancy screen format and all) then remerge the grub.conf entries after rebooting. Uses apm (instead of the newer acpi, and surprisingly enough it works. I made the mistake of signing up (for a day or two) for the fedora email list. Lots of good info, but 400 posts a day! Bleeding edge? No way! There's nary a 2.6 kernel in sight. Just working out the kinks in a RHL8.0-Fedora Core 1 upgrade. Went fairly smoothly. I uninstalled a bunch of homemade RPMs first and had some minor issues with remnants of KDE3.1.4 from the kde-redhat install. Mostly a good experience though. Had a minor problem upgrading OOo under my user (the three other users were fine) and had to rm -rf ~/.openoffice to get it to work. (found that out with a quick chat on #fedora). Lost my printer driver on the upgrade of cups and had to re-install that today (after complaints from the wife that she couldn't print something today). But, all in all, a good upgrade install. Regards, Tim -- Fedora Core 1, Kernel 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl, KDE 3.1.4, Xfree86 4.3.0 19:45:00 up 2 days, 2:12, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.05, 0.03 It's what you learn after you know it all that counts ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT pictures from the desert
Quoth burns: On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 20:39, Net Llama! wrote: On 11/09/03 16:12, burns wrote: Nice pics, Lonnie. What are the 'beehive' buildings? Charcoal Kilns: Ahhh. I was afraid you were going to tell me they were ancient Druid dwellings. Presumably, they had some wood to make the charcoal from... it looks mostly like scrub-brush, e.g. mesquite, et al. Mostly, they use bones of Canadians who wander too far south. ;-) Kurt -- Real Time, adj.: Here and now, as opposed to fake time, which only occurs there and then. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT pictures from the desert
On 11/11/03 17:06, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth burns: On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 20:39, Net Llama! wrote: On 11/09/03 16:12, burns wrote: Nice pics, Lonnie. What are the 'beehive' buildings? Charcoal Kilns: Ahhh. I was afraid you were going to tell me they were ancient Druid dwellings. Presumably, they had some wood to make the charcoal from... it looks mostly like scrub-brush, e.g. mesquite, et al. Mostly, they use bones of Canadians who wander too far south. ;-) They don't call it death valley for nothin. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 7:42am up 1 day, 10:29, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.04, 0.04 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
a great site for following sco v. ibm
http://www.groklaw.net a paralegal has entered all the good stuff. this is useful for other cases, too. neat site. and no, i have no connection whatsoever with it. -- dep Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: textmaker for very little money, tuesday only
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 04:23:43PM -0500, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth M.W. Chang: better than open office? Yup, in the same way that single malt scotch is better than Listerine. Kurt Mm... single malt scotch, something I haven't had for *years*. Ah well, back to my Sprite. -- Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Slackware-9.1 + CLI + Mutt-1.4.1i + Lynx|Links|eLinks With all that power who needs a bloated GUI?? Alberta Mirror for Linux-SxS.org:http://linux-sxs.org/ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: textmaker for very little money, tuesday only
Dep wrote: quoth Leon A. Goldstein: | I ordered a copy this morning. I will only use Textmaker | occasionally to format HTML documents. After playing a bit with the | trial download, I do find Textmaker a lot simpler for the non-expert | to format a HTML document than OO or Staroffice. that's the one thing for which i found textmaker fairly unsuitable -- it behaves like koffice and some others in putting in *way* too much formatting, often more than doubling the size of the document. (actually, kword did a lot to fix this by offering a stripped html formatting option.) there's not a really good linux wysiwig html editor that i've found. Now you tell me. ;-(>) I suppose file bloat is the price you pay for convenience. One of these days I'll figure out how to use Bluefish. -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 2.8 Debian Linux System LI ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Network question
I've had UNIX and/or Linux at home for a very long time, but always just one or two independent machines that didn't need to share anything. Then I broke down and got printer sharing working. Now I think I really need to share files. The question: What's easiest to set up? I have a 3-computer network (4 counting an occasional laptop), and I mostly want to do backups over the net by having the old clunky machine with the CD-RW directly copying files. It would be easiest if the subject machine didn't have to get too involved, and I'm not much worried about consistency here. I'm mostly worried about fire and/or dying disk drives, so a little bit of inconsistency is the least of my worries. There are several 36-GB drives involved, but the actual backup traffic will be lots smaller than that. So I'm thinking NFS or perhaps Samba. I'm not using Windoze much, but it does show up from time to time. So: where do I get information? How do I tell if the software's already on my machine? What solutions should I consider? ++ kevin -- Dr. Kevin O'Gorman (805) 756-2986 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~kogorman ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
