Re: SETI...
On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 08:37:18 -0400 Jerry McBride wrote: Well... I've joined the thousands of other folks and am now processing data for the SETI project at Arecibo Radio Observatory. I highly encourage anyone with idle cpu cycles to join. By the way, the new Xseti viewer is really nice too. :') I run it under Tkseti myself. Let's see, I'm on unit 331 on this box, over 12,000 cpu hours worth. -- --- | Alan K. Jackson| To see a World in a Grain of Sand | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | And a Heaven in a Wild Flower, | | www.ajackson.org | Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand | | Houston, Texas | And Eternity in an hour. - Blake | --- ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:30:51 -0400 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Friday 14 September 2001 19:57 pm, dep wrote: | | What the US and it's allies do, will be carefully watched by all. | | It is imperative that the US comes out of all this looking | | snow-white and in shining armour. | | unfortunately, it is exactly this consideration that made tuesday | possible. | | Exactly. One of the things we *must* give up is the thought that we must be | liked by the world. As long as what we do is 'correct and proper', let the | world think what it wants. I think the US has always done this. It is the 'correct and proper' part that has been the problem. What we consider to be so is not what everyone considers to be so. The US would do much better to just stay out. Do nothing. Let people complain about that. By not doing anything we do not take sides. OK, through inaction, but if it is how the US always does things, everyone will pretty much be treated the same. The world will go to hell if the US sits back? There is another problem. Ego. The US just has to accept the fact that they cannot make the world safe. To paraphrase Keith, as long as there are humans, there will be those who cause problems. I know this is unrealistic and will never happen. But if it did, it would be best for the US. Maybe not for the world. But maybe the world does not want to be helped. (I'm writing this and it is only Monday...) -- = Roger Oberholtzer E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OPQ Systems AB WWW: http://www.opq.se Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 115 32 Stockholm Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 Sweden Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: WTC
Bruce, Could you send me a copy too, please. Many thanks, Trevor Stuart (British but standing with you!) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bruce Marshall Sent: 14 September 2001 19:17 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: WTC I have received a 40+ picture slide show of many events during the attack. Most of the pictures are excellent. If anyone would like me to send it to you, or if someone wants to put it on an ftp site, I would be glad to pass it on. StarOffice will show it just fine. Don't know about other KDE apps. -- +--- -+ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/14/01 14:13 + +--- -+ ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SETI...
Frankly, I question the value of this search program. And we could stop this program from running without crashing a plane into WTC, right? :) I run it under Tkseti myself. Let's see, I'm on unit 331 on this box, over 12,000 cpu hours worth. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
vi and tr
1. Does vi have a hex viewer mode? Or should I use soemthing else? Something like the PCTOOLS or LIST in DOS would be nice. 2. How could I translate 0x0A into 0x0D+0x0A with tr? I tried tr '\012' \015\012' file.unix file.dos but only \015 was there. I was using the dos version of tr . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: A sad day
My wife and I wish to offer our most heartfelt condolences to your family. I have only spoken to you briefly whilst you were here in Oz and communicated with you via the list, yet I grieve with you for we seem to get close even though it is electronically. The loss of a child is felt deeper and greater than the loss of anyone else. Only time is the healer. Shawn Tayler wrote: Its is with a very heavy heart that we must announce the passing of our daughter, Sydney K. Tayler. Sydney was stillborn at 10:26PM, Sept 14, 2001. We do not know the reason why Sydney was taken from us. She was found to have no heart beat during a routine weekly checkup. An ultrasound examination at Washoe Medical Center, confirmed that she had left us. stayler ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Keith Antoine aka Skippy 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland, 4061, Australia PH: 61 7 33002161 Certified Professional Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall!! Insensible phone computer assistance a speciality. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SETI...
On September 17, 2001 03:40 am, Chang wrote: Frankly, I question the value of this search program. And we could stop this program from running without crashing a plane into WTC, right? :) Not funny. -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Apache content negotiation for language help?
Douglas J. Hunley spewed: On Sunday 16 September 2001 16:52, Kurt Wall babbled: LoadModule mime_module modules/mod_mime.so AddModule mod_mime.c dont have this... of course, I build my modules into the server... so that ok, right? As far as I know, but Apache configuration is not my strongest suit. Kurt -- Never sleep with a woman whose troubles are worse than your own. -- Nelson Algren ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On September 17, 2001 03:30 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: I think the US has always done this. It is the 'correct and proper' part that has been the problem. What we consider to be so is not what everyone considers to be so. The US would do much better to just stay out. Do nothing. Let people complain about that. By not doing anything we do not take sides. OK, through inaction, but if it is how the US always does things, everyone will pretty much be treated the same. The world will go to hell if the US sits back? There is another problem. Ego. The US just has to accept the fact that they cannot make the world safe. To paraphrase Keith, as long as there are humans, there will be those who cause problems. Doing nothing is itself a course of action, but inevitably a bad one This isn't about going around fixing other people's problems. Terrorism affects us all, directly. It has been a long festering sore. It's now erupted into a putrid cancer that must be dealt with. I don't think free countries of the world will tolerate this anymore. They have said OK, this has gone too far. We're pissed off and morally outraged. Now we're going to deal with this. To this end, I don't think 1939 Chamberlain appeasement or inactivity is either practical or appropiate, given what has occurred. In WWII some countries capitulated politically to the Nazis. Others simply stood back and allowed them to roll through their country to commit atrocities upon their neighbours. They have since been struggling to downplay and expunge a part of their history that they are not very proud of. But the stigma will always remain - when the time came to do the right thing, they did nothing. Peace is a noble goal we all strive for. But not at ANY cost not when the price is the diginity of a nation and the future security and well-being of our children. There comes a time when good people must act. How would you feel if you did nothing and next year one of your own children were killed by these same terrorists? -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
Roger Oberholtzer wrote: % On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:30:51 -0400 % Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % %|Exactly. One of the things we *must* give up is the thought that we must be %|liked by the world. As long as what we do is 'correct and proper', let the %|world think what it wants. % % I think the US has always done this. It is the 'correct and proper' part % that has been the problem. What we consider to be so is not what everyone % considers to be so. The US would do much better to just stay out. % Do nothing. Let people complain about that. By not doing anything we do not % take sides. OK, through inaction, but if it is how the US always does things, % everyone will pretty much be treated the same. The world will go to hell if % the US sits back? There is another problem. Ego. The US just has to accept % the fact that they cannot make the world safe. To paraphrase Keith, as % long as there are humans, there will be those who cause problems. % % I know this is unrealistic and will never happen. But if it did, it would % be best for the US. Maybe not for the world. But maybe the world does not % want to be helped. (I'm writing this and it is only Monday...) Hmm. The US is damned it it does and damned if it doesn't. If it becomes self-absorbed or isolationist, a significant part of the world community complains the US has abdicated its leadership role or pisses and moans because they monetary aid ceases to flow. But US involvement in region X or on any side of issue Y, whether it serves US national interests or not, also results in both praise and condemnation. Given such a position 'twixt Scylla and Charybdis, US leaders and the population as a whole have rightly concluded it is best to act and to take positions that do serve US interests. Said positions and actions, not coincidentally, also seem to serve the interests of other countries as well. And, yes, the world will go to hell if the US sits back. Kurt -- Work consists of whatever a body is obliged to do. Play consists of whatever a body is not obliged to do. -- Mark Twain ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
But if we look at the bin Laden complaint against the US: - The US currently has a state of military occupation in KSA (Saudi Arabia). The US came when Iraq acted up, but they have not left. - bin Laden has problems with the KSA royal family. He, and many others too afraid to say so, would prefer a proper Islamic setup, perhaps like in Iran these days. However, the US is, effectively, supporting continued suppression of the Saudi peoples by their support of the royal family. - So, he wants the US out of KSA so the country can move forward. As long as the US stays, he feels it is a military occupation that does more to support the royal family than to deter Iraq or increase peace in the area. And, peace in KSA and the Gulf at the price of attacks at home? In no way does this justify September 11th. But if the US would just stay out of some problems, all might be better off. As to the concern over oil, well, there are other sources than KSA. If an Islamic regime started by cutting back on oil, then so be it. Conserve. It is possible. I still agree with Keith that terrorism will not go away. There will never be a time when everyone is content. So why go out of your way to be a target? On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 19:19:48 -0400 burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On September 17, 2001 03:30 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: | | | I think the US has always done this. It is the 'correct and proper' part | that has been the problem. What we consider to be so is not what everyone | considers to be so. The US would do much better to just stay out. | Do nothing. Let people complain about that. By not doing anything we do not | take sides. OK, through inaction, but if it is how the US always does | things, everyone will pretty much be treated the same. The world will go to | hell if the US sits back? There is another problem. Ego. The US just has to | accept the fact that they cannot make the world safe. To paraphrase Keith, | as long as there are humans, there will be those who cause problems. | | | Doing nothing is itself a course of action, but inevitably a bad one | | This isn't about going around fixing other people's problems. Terrorism | affects us all, directly. It has been a long festering sore. It's now erupted | into a putrid cancer that must be dealt with. I don't think free countries of | the world will tolerate this anymore. They have said OK, this has gone too | far. We're pissed off and morally outraged. Now we're going to deal with | this. | | To this end, I don't think 1939 Chamberlain appeasement or inactivity is | either practical or appropiate, given what has occurred. In WWII some | countries capitulated politically to the Nazis. Others simply stood back and | allowed them to roll through their country to commit atrocities upon their | neighbours. They have since been struggling to downplay and expunge a part of | their history that they are not very proud of. But the stigma will always | remain - when the time came to do the right thing, they did nothing. | | Peace is a noble goal we all strive for. But not at ANY cost not when the | price is the diginity of a nation and the future security and well-being of | our children. There comes a time when good people must act. | | How would you feel if you did nothing and next year one of your own children | were killed by these same terrorists? | -- | burns | ___ | http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc |-http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- = Roger Oberholtzer E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OPQ Systems AB WWW: http://www.opq.se Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 115 32 Stockholm Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 Sweden Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
Roger You need to open your eyes here. It does not matter what the greivence is, terrors want change to what they deem is correct. If you disagree, I kill you in Jihade. If you capitulate, your are my slave, The KSA is just an excuse here. Laden wants KSA to follow Iraq. Also he leads as supreme leader. Not ing Likely. Read your history, when you sit back, you get goobled up. You just cant turn the other ckeek here, they will hit it too. -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RAM
Hi, Group: Somehow, the answer to this simple question slipped past me during my 'basic' training. All else being equal, can I use PC133 RAM in a machine with a 100 MHz bus? Or even a 66 MHz bus? Any consequences? Regards, Glenn -- Glenn Williams - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User #135678 Powered by SuSE 7.2 Linux Professional ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SETI...
On Sunday 16 September 2001 21:57 pm, Alan Jackson wrote: Well... I've joined the thousands of other folks and am now processing data for the SETI project at Arecibo Radio Observatory. I highly encourage anyone with idle cpu cycles to join. By the way, the new Xseti viewer is really nice too. :') I run it under Tkseti myself. Let's see, I'm on unit 331 on this box, over 12,000 cpu hours worth. Piddly:o) 2,199 units done the last time I looked.Over 5 years worth. Sounds like we need to form a 'Caldera Refugees' SETI group. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/17/01 08:54 + ++ Every creature has within itself the wild, uncontrollable urge to punt. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
XF86Config...
I'm trying to put together a complete list of options, etc that are possible in an XF86Config file. Running XF86Config -configure only generates a partial list... If anyone knows of a detailed list of this config file, would you be so kind as to point me there? Thanks, in advance. -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux 8:59am up 13 days, 20:06, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 07:15:01 -0500 Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Roger | | You need to open your eyes here. It does not matter what the greivence is, | terrors want change to what they deem is correct. If you disagree, I kill you | in Jihade. If you capitulate, your are my slave, The KSA is just an excuse | here. Laden wants KSA to follow Iraq. Also he leads as supreme leader. Not | ing Likely. Read your history, when you sit back, you get goobled up. You | just cant turn the other ckeek here, they will hit it too. I absolutely did not mean to imply that the US should not retaliate. A show of weakness is not the right thing. And, the US should work to decrease terrorist activities in the world. All this I am in favor of. I just feel that in the future the US should think a bit more about foreign involvements and the results. To deny the mindset of these fundamentalist Moslems is to invite disaster. Yes - stomp out the terrorist cells. There is no place for this type of activity. But pay closer attention to foreign relationships. The US has a nack for choosing an alliance that works for the immediate moment, and forgets or ignores the fact that they are also setting up a power keg when and if whatever the immediate problem is gets solved. I am simply wishing that the US would look further ahead. If not, then stay out. -- = Roger Oberholtzer E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OPQ Systems AB WWW: http://www.opq.se Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 115 32 Stockholm Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 Sweden Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SETI...
Bruce Marshall wrote: snip Piddly:o) 2,199 units done the last time I looked.Over 5 years worth. Sounds like we need to form a 'Caldera Refugees' SETI group. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/17/01 08:54 + ++ Every creature has within itself the wild, uncontrollable urge to punt. Okay, since we're going that direction2538 units as of this morning. And yeah, I'd be interested in joining if this group created one. -- Andrew Mathews 7:20am up 1 day, 13:20, 5 users, load average: 1.01, 1.02, 1.03 In war, truth is the first casualty. -- U Thant ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On Monday 17 September 2001 03:30, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: | The US just has to accept the fact that they cannot make the world | safe. i believe you will discover that we have lost all interest in making the world safe and instead now shall make the u.s. safe, and if that means draconian measures elsewhere, tough. if you look at our national debt, you'll find that it in considerable measure comprises money that we have given other countries in little trifles like the marshall plan to rebuild europe at the end of world war II, in war debt owed us by european countries that shall never repay it and shall never be asked to repay it, in monies that we have given developing countries around the world -- we don't believe it's a zero-sum game, instead that every nation and all peoples can prosper -- and we're repaid with sniping, hatred, and, now, not only the events of last tuesday but a substantial number of presumably well meaning but startlingly naive people proposing that we some how deserved it all. you will see our attitude changing. you will discover that you liked our old attitude better. -- dep There is sobbing of the strong, And a pall upon the land; But the People in their weeping Bare the iron hand; Beware the People weeping When they bare the iron hand. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On Monday 17 September 2001 08:09, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: | But if we look at the bin Laden complaint against the US: | | - The US currently has a state of military occupation in | KSA (Saudi Arabia). The US came when Iraq acted up, but they | have not left. we have been asked to stay, repeatedly and continuously, by the saudi royal family. | - bin Laden has problems with the KSA royal family. He, and | many others too afraid to say so, would prefer a proper | Islamic setup, perhaps like in Iran these days. However, | the US is, effectively, supporting continued suppression of | the Saudi peoples by their support of the royal family. proper islamic setup? you, sir, are guilty of perhaps the greatest ethnic slur that could be uttered, for you have in that statement painted all islamic peoples with the bin laden brush. iran, shiite, would love nothing more than to see all the sunnis fall, which includes bin laden, afghanistan, iraq, and a substantial portion of the arab world (iranians, by the way, are not arabs). in short, like so many europeans, you have no goddam idea what you're talking about. | - So, he wants the US out of KSA so the country can move forward. | As long as the US stays, he feels it is a military occupation | that does more to support the royal family than to deter Iraq | or increase peace in the area. And, peace in KSA and the Gulf at | the price of attacks at home? your definition if forward is a peculiar one. and we do not give a toot as to what he feels until what he feels is the fires of hell, which shall be coming along to collect him shortly. | In no way does this justify September 11th. ah yes, the whole the u.s. had it coming, but that's not to say that the u.s. had it coming crap we're beginning to hear from the cheese-eating surrender monkeys of the world. | But if the US would | just stay out of some problems, all might be better off. As to the | concern over oil, well, there are other sources than KSA. If an | Islamic regime started by cutting back on oil, then so be it. | Conserve. It is possible. | | I still agree with Keith that terrorism will not go away. There | will never be a time when everyone is content. So why go out of | your way to be a target? your ringing endorsement of cowardice is duly noted. -- dep There is sobbing of the strong, And a pall upon the land; But the People in their weeping Bare the iron hand; Beware the People weeping When they bare the iron hand. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:27:13 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Monday 17 September 2001 03:30, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: | | The US just has to accept the fact that they cannot make the world | | safe. | | i believe you will discover that we have lost all interest in making | the world safe and instead now shall make the u.s. safe, and if that | means draconian measures elsewhere, tough. if you look at our | national debt, you'll find that it in considerable measure comprises | money that we have given other countries in little trifles like the | marshall plan to rebuild europe at the end of world war II, in war | debt owed us by european countries that shall never repay it and | shall never be asked to repay it, in monies that we have given I write from Sweden, but I am an American. I have lived here many years, but I still have a US passport. I saw no advantage to not having one. These days, i dunno... | developing countries around the world -- we don't believe it's a | zero-sum game, instead that every nation and all peoples can prosper | -- and we're repaid with sniping, hatred, and, now, not only the | events of last tuesday but a substantial number of presumably well | meaning but startlingly naive people proposing that we some how | deserved it all. | | you will see our attitude changing. you will discover that you liked | our old attitude better. | -- -- = Roger Oberholtzer E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OPQ Systems AB WWW: http://www.opq.se Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 115 32 Stockholm Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 Sweden Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On Monday 17 September 2001 10:02, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: | I write from Sweden, but I am an American. I have lived here many | years, but I still have a US passport. I saw no advantage to not | having one. These days, i dunno... do what you think is right or, lacking that, what you think best enhances your personal safety. you have probably picked a good place to be. -- dep There is sobbing of the strong, And a pall upon the land; But the People in their weeping Bare the iron hand; Beware the People weeping When they bare the iron hand. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
måndagen den 17 september 2001 16.02 you wrote: I write from Sweden, but I am an American. I have lived here many years, but I still have a US passport. I saw no advantage to not having one. These days, i dunno... Have you seen the site for SLUG (Stockholm Linux UserGroup)? http://slug.qbranch.se/ We meet every Monday at Engelbrektsgatan (can't remember the number right now). Olle Viksten -- MicroSoft Network may not carry this message without license to do so. License to carry this message requires a fee of $1000, payable within 30 days to Olle Viksten. Appearance of this message on MicroSoft Network constitutes an agreement to terms. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SETI...
On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 08:55:39 -0400 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---snipi-- Piddly:o) 2,199 units done the last time I looked.Over 5 years worth. I...errr... my computer... just finished the first unit... :.) -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux 10:20am up 13 days, 21:27, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
Roger HMMM I see where you are going, that would be nice. Actually that was what the UN was for. But as you know, that does not work very well. We spend an massive amount of resource there and it is down a black hole. Besides there is so much bickering going on, compare it to our Republican/Democrates. There needs to be a leader here, one nation that stands for all nations. We are that one. It cost us dearly, but we do it. We cannot appease everyone, nor are we going to try. We live by our freedom and we may perish by it to, but do not look for any time soon. With out the US doing what we do. This planet will turn to koas. That would end up on our door step. WW II is an example of this. We were in an isolationist mode then, we ended up in your war. You did not have a way of grouping together then and you want us to be there when you need us. Otherwise we are not to be seen. You can not have it both ways. It just does not work. Yea you can give us ablody nose, but you risk the might the will and our resolve. We are not the Romans of old, The Old Egytian empire or Babalyon, We do not go where we are not asked to be unless you screw with us and then you have more than you bargin for. cheers my freind -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: RAM
On Monday 17 September 2001 07:41 am, you wrote: Hi, Group: Somehow, the answer to this simple question slipped past me during my 'basic' training. All else being equal, can I use PC133 RAM in a machine with a 100 MHz bus? Or even a 66 MHz bus? Any consequences? Regards, Glenn Yes It will default to the slowest memory. I am doing that now on a box. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: RAM
Yes, you certainly can. Ron - Original Message - From: Glenn Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:41 AM Subject: RAM Hi, Group: Somehow, the answer to this simple question slipped past me during my 'basic' training. All else being equal, can I use PC133 RAM in a machine with a 100 MHz bus? Or even a 66 MHz bus? Any consequences? Regards, Glenn -- Glenn Williams - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User #135678 Powered by SuSE 7.2 Linux Professional ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SETI...
Jerry McBride wrote: % On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 08:55:39 -0400 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % % ---snipi-- % % Piddly:o) % % 2,199 units done the last time I looked.Over 5 years worth. % % % I...errr... my computer... just finished the first unit... :.) 471 last time I checked... Kurt -- Rule of the Great: When people you greatly admire appear to be thinking deep thoughts, they probably are thinking about lunch. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
Hello Roger, While I understand your position I must disagree. The American presence in Saudi Arabia is by invitation of the Royal Family, no doubt, and most likely is helping them to stay in power to some extent. Mr. bin Laden, is nothing more than a tin pot religious facist zealot who is looking to grab power in KSA. He sees the power that the Theocracies in Iran and Afghanistan, dictatorial powers to kill and torture anyone he sees fit, all in the name of Allah of course. There's also all that money from selling oil to the Great Satan, the US. Money and power, that is all this guy is after. Look at what happened in Iran around the fall of the Shah. The fundamentalists promised an Islamic paradise, they even had the women wanting it, they paraded and protested in favor of the Clerics. Now the country is little better than a police state. Religion and politics make for a deadly and voracious combination. History is full of examples, Europe during the Dark Ages, Utah in the US under mormon governace during the 18th century. Its always easy to slaughter people you don't like when your imaginary friend says its ok On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:09:26 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: In no way does this justify September 11th. But if the US would just stay out of some problems, all might be better off. As to the concern over oil, well, there are other sources than KSA. If an Islamic regime started by cutting back on oil, then so be it. Conserve. It is possible. I still agree with Keith that terrorism will not go away. There will never be a time when everyone is content. So why go out of your way to be a target? ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:49:20 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Monday 17 September 2001 08:09, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: | | But if we look at the bin Laden complaint against the US: | | | | - The US currently has a state of military occupation in | | KSA (Saudi Arabia). The US came when Iraq acted up, but they | | have not left. | | we have been asked to stay, repeatedly and continuously, by the saudi | royal family. So we stay. But in the context of my very first sentence, the next statement explained why HE, BIN LADEN, WHO'S POINT OF VIEW I WAS PRESENTING, feels this is a problem. Perhaps that was not clear enough in the opening line of my post. | | - bin Laden has problems with the KSA royal family. He, and | | many others too afraid to say so, would prefer a proper | | Islamic setup, perhaps like in Iran these days. However, | | the US is, effectively, supporting continued suppression of | | the Saudi peoples by their support of the royal family. | | proper islamic setup? you, sir, are guilty of perhaps the greatest | ethnic slur that could be uttered, for you have in that statement | painted all islamic peoples with the bin laden brush. iran, shiite, | would love nothing more than to see all the sunnis fall, which | includes bin laden, afghanistan, iraq, and a substantial portion of | the arab world (iranians, by the way, are not arabs). in short, like (Never said they were. But they are Moslem...) | so many europeans, you have no goddam idea what you're talking about. Not so. I was stating how em bin Laden /em sees it. And he does. If you do not understand your enemy, how do you expect to fight him? So, I do stand by my statement that it is what he wants. I did NOT say that the rest of the Islamic world wants or agrees with it. I do not think they do. But we were discussing bin Laden and his mind set - which is centered on these facts - whether everyone else agrees with him or not. This is what he believes. And it effects his activities and those of the rest of the base. Perhaps I was too vague in saying that bin Laden wants an Islamic setup. OK. They want one as they define it, which is not the way most Moslems would do so. I was not stating a fact I agreed with, nor stating what Moslems world wide would like. I was stating what bin Laden wants. Whether it is a perverted interpretation of Islamic law is neither here nor there - it is what he wants. Which was all I was presenting. NOT agreeing with. Just describing. And he sees America as an obstacle to this. I did not say that was reality. Only his perception. (And, I'm not a god damned European. Just one of those god damned Americans. And, I feel have as much right to voice opinions as anyone. And, all any of us are doing here is just that. No topic we have brought up is so cut and dry that we are covering all aspects in our little e-mails. No matter what one of us writes, someone can point out a problem and shoot it full of holes.) | | - So, he wants the US out of KSA so the country can move forward. | | As long as the US stays, he feels it is a military occupation | | that does more to support the royal family than to deter Iraq | | or increase peace in the area. And, peace in KSA and the Gulf at | | the price of attacks at home? | | your definition if forward is a peculiar one. and we do not give a | toot as to what he feels until what he feels is the fires of hell, | which shall be coming along to collect him shortly. 'forward' as HE sees it. That was the whole point. As HE sees it. Surely he is wrong. But I WANT to understand why someone would do this. I need to see what his point of view is. I need this to come to grips with things. September 11 was not a random act of hatred. So then what was it. What would a person have to believe in order to do such a thing? I have many friends who are Arabs. I am unsure how to relate to them now. They are my friends. What would it take for them to think like this? Could they? I listen to them as always. Do I hear the same thing? Have they been saying things I never paid close attention to but, if I know how bin Laden thinks, maybe I will hear a different meaning? This was what my exercise was all about. | | In no way does this justify September 11th. | | ah yes, the whole the u.s. had it coming, but that's not to say that | the u.s. had it coming crap we're beginning to hear from the | cheese-eating surrender monkeys of the world. You are reading into this other that was intended. The US did not have this comming. No one does. Ever. Period. If you knew me you would not feel this about my character. Your statement absolutely does not describe me. Perhaps in the sake of brevity this does not come across. That is my mistake. I am only suggesting that the US pay more attention to the whole picture. Take Pakistan. (Insert joke here.) The US poured lots of money into Pakistan when
Re: RAM
On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 06:41:35 -0600, Glenn Williams wrote: Somehow, the answer to this simple question slipped past me during my 'basic' training. All else being equal, can I use PC133 RAM in a machine with a 100 MHz bus? Or even a 66 MHz bus? I am. But the only pitfall I have found is that I can't now add a PC100 DIMM to the system The PC133 DIMM disappears ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: RAM
On Monday 17 September 2001 08:20, you wrote: On Monday 17 September 2001 07:41 am, you wrote: Hi, Group: Somehow, the answer to this simple question slipped past me during my 'basic' training. All else being equal, can I use PC133 RAM in a machine with a 100 MHz bus? Or even a 66 MHz bus? Any consequences? Regards, Glenn Yes It will default to the slowest memory. I am doing that now on a box. cheers Thanks to Rick and Ron for your answers. Strange - I was sure that this would work, and in fact, without looking to confirm this, I'm sure I am already doing it with at least one other machine. But when the question arose, my between-the-ears memory did a total flameout! Thanks. Regards, Glenn -- Glenn Williams - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User #135678 Powered by SuSE 7.2 Linux Professional ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:11:16 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Monday 17 September 2001 10:02, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: | | | I write from Sweden, but I am an American. I have lived here many | | years, but I still have a US passport. I saw no advantage to not | | having one. These days, i dunno... | | do what you think is right or, lacking that, what you think best | enhances your personal safety. you have probably picked a good place | to be. This week I was to be in Riyadh. For the first time I can remember, I really have been a bit afraid to go. Due to flight delays, my VISA has been held up. Sort of saved by the bell. This is probably a bit of an explaination for my incessant rumblings on this here. This is a first for me. I have never felt being an American abroad was a problem. Most people have far more complaints against the Germans, who are the real ones throwing their economic weight around in this part of the world. Not to mention their territorial beach behavior. A friend of mine in southern France has said that they have been warned to be discrete in speaking English and being identified as an American. There is concern that bin Laden's suggestion that 'if you see an American, kill him' might start to happen. I was joking on the 'i dunno...' thing. I have no intention of giving up citizenship. Maybe just the accent. -- = Roger Oberholtzer E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OPQ Systems AB WWW: http://www.opq.se Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 115 32 Stockholm Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 Sweden Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: RAM
On Monday 17 September 2001 09:01, you wrote: On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 06:41:35 -0600, Glenn Williams wrote: Somehow, the answer to this simple question slipped past me during my 'basic' training. All else being equal, can I use PC133 RAM in a machine with a 100 MHz bus? Or even a 66 MHz bus? I am. But the only pitfall I have found is that I can't now add a PC100 DIMM to the system The PC133 DIMM disappears Hi, Shawn: The inability to add slower RAM to existing faster memory is duly noted. Thanks! Regards, Glenn -- Glenn Williams - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User #135678 Powered by SuSE 7.2 Linux Professional ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
I did not disagree with any of that. Bin Laden is an opportunist using what he defines as religion as a framework for taking control. He may even believe what he preaches. I think he does. And if we are going to deal with him and 'the base' we should understand this and assume that they really believe it. Otherwise we will be shooting in the dark. And perhaps upset others to no end. On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 08:00:19 -0700 (PST) Shawn Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Hello Roger, | | While I understand your position I must disagree. The American | presence in Saudi Arabia is by invitation of the Royal Family, no | doubt, and most likely is helping them to stay in power to some extent. | Mr. bin Laden, is nothing more than a tin pot religious facist zealot | who is looking to grab power in KSA. He sees the power that the | Theocracies in Iran and Afghanistan, dictatorial powers to kill and | torture anyone he sees fit, all in the name of Allah of course. | There's also all that money from selling oil to the Great Satan, the | US. Money and power, that is all this guy is after. | | Look at what happened in Iran around the fall of the Shah. The | fundamentalists promised an Islamic paradise, they even had the women | wanting it, they paraded and protested in favor of the Clerics. Now | the country is little better than a police state. | | Religion and politics make for a deadly and voracious combination. | History is full of examples, Europe during the Dark Ages, Utah in the | US under mormon governace during the 18th century. Its always easy to | slaughter people you don't like when your imaginary friend says its | ok | | | On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:09:26 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: | | In no way does this justify September 11th. But if the US would just | stay out of some problems, all might be better off. As to the concern over | oil, well, there are other sources than KSA. If an Islamic regime started | by cutting back on oil, then so be it. Conserve. It is possible. | | I still agree with Keith that terrorism will not go away. There will | never be a time when everyone is content. So why go out of your way | to be a target? | | ___ | http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc |-http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- = Roger Oberholtzer E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OPQ Systems AB WWW: http://www.opq.se Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 115 32 Stockholm Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 Sweden Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
Why dont you burn your pasport and go have some crepes and fruit, you have been away from meat and potatoes too long. On Monday 17 September 2001 09:02, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:27:13 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Monday 17 September 2001 03:30, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: | | The US just has to accept the fact that they cannot make the world | | safe. | | i believe you will discover that we have lost all interest in making | the world safe and instead now shall make the u.s. safe, and if that | means draconian measures elsewhere, tough. if you look at our | national debt, you'll find that it in considerable measure comprises | money that we have given other countries in little trifles like the | marshall plan to rebuild europe at the end of world war II, in war | debt owed us by european countries that shall never repay it and | shall never be asked to repay it, in monies that we have given I write from Sweden, but I am an American. I have lived here many years, but I still have a US passport. I saw no advantage to not having one. These days, i dunno... | developing countries around the world -- we don't believe it's a | zero-sum game, instead that every nation and all peoples can prosper | -- and we're repaid with sniping, hatred, and, now, not only the | events of last tuesday but a substantial number of presumably well | meaning but startlingly naive people proposing that we some how | deserved it all. | | you will see our attitude changing. you will discover that you liked | our old attitude better. | -- -- Ronnie == Life can be a dream; or it can be a nightmare it's all in your mind ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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In basics it breaks down like this. Bin-Laden needs money. Period. Now he has increased the output of opium in Afhganistan to double what it was, they are now the largest exporter of dried poppies in the east. His followers guard the shippments, Bin-Laden collects a 10% tax on all opium exports. But he has a problem, he needs more money. Suadia Arabia is the country, in his mind, that can be most easily destabilized and couped. He does not give a rats ass about any country except as a money spigot. He does not givs a rats ass about any people save his own fanatical followers, and those are expendable. On Monday 17 September 2001 10:00, Shawn Tayler wrote: Hello Roger, While I understand your position I must disagree. The American presence in Saudi Arabia is by invitation of the Royal Family, no doubt, and most likely is helping them to stay in power to some extent. Mr. bin Laden, is nothing more than a tin pot religious facist zealot who is looking to grab power in KSA. He sees the power that the Theocracies in Iran and Afghanistan, dictatorial powers to kill and torture anyone he sees fit, all in the name of Allah of course. There's also all that money from selling oil to the Great Satan, the US. Money and power, that is all this guy is after. Look at what happened in Iran around the fall of the Shah. The fundamentalists promised an Islamic paradise, they even had the women wanting it, they paraded and protested in favor of the Clerics. Now the country is little better than a police state. Religion and politics make for a deadly and voracious combination. History is full of examples, Europe during the Dark Ages, Utah in the US under mormon governace during the 18th century. Its always easy to slaughter people you don't like when your imaginary friend says its ok On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:09:26 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: In no way does this justify September 11th. But if the US would just stay out of some problems, all might be better off. As to the concern over oil, well, there are other sources than KSA. If an Islamic regime started by cutting back on oil, then so be it. Conserve. It is possible. I still agree with Keith that terrorism will not go away. There will never be a time when everyone is content. So why go out of your way to be a target? ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Ronnie == Life can be a dream; or it can be a nightmare it's all in your mind ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On Monday 17 September 2001 10:58, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: | So we stay. But in the context of my very first sentence, the next | statement explained why HE, BIN LADEN, WHO'S POINT OF VIEW I WAS | PRESENTING, feels this is a problem. Perhaps that was not clear | enough in the opening line of my post. if i misread you, i apologize. we're starting to hear bigtime from the blame america first crowd, and i have no patience for them. i've seen several people put forward the arguments you made as if they were gospel, and again, i'm sorry if i interpreted your remarks as being along that line, which in my estimation is intolerable. -- dep There is sobbing of the strong, And a pall upon the land; But the People in their weeping Bare the iron hand; Beware the People weeping When they bare the iron hand. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Our main concesion to Pakistan is the layoff of $30B in debt they owe us. On Monday 17 September 2001 09:58, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:49:20 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Monday 17 September 2001 08:09, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: | | But if we look at the bin Laden complaint against the US: | | | | - The US currently has a state of military occupation in | | KSA (Saudi Arabia). The US came when Iraq acted up, but they | | have not left. | | we have been asked to stay, repeatedly and continuously, by the saudi | royal family. So we stay. But in the context of my very first sentence, the next statement explained why HE, BIN LADEN, WHO'S POINT OF VIEW I WAS PRESENTING, feels this is a problem. Perhaps that was not clear enough in the opening line of my post. | | - bin Laden has problems with the KSA royal family. He, and | | many others too afraid to say so, would prefer a proper | | Islamic setup, perhaps like in Iran these days. However, | | the US is, effectively, supporting continued suppression of | | the Saudi peoples by their support of the royal family. | | proper islamic setup? you, sir, are guilty of perhaps the greatest | ethnic slur that could be uttered, for you have in that statement | painted all islamic peoples with the bin laden brush. iran, shiite, | would love nothing more than to see all the sunnis fall, which | includes bin laden, afghanistan, iraq, and a substantial portion of | the arab world (iranians, by the way, are not arabs). in short, like (Never said they were. But they are Moslem...) | so many europeans, you have no goddam idea what you're talking about. Not so. I was stating how em bin Laden /em sees it. And he does. If you do not understand your enemy, how do you expect to fight him? So, I do stand by my statement that it is what he wants. I did NOT say that the rest of the Islamic world wants or agrees with it. I do not think they do. But we were discussing bin Laden and his mind set - which is centered on these facts - whether everyone else agrees with him or not. This is what he believes. And it effects his activities and those of the rest of the base. Perhaps I was too vague in saying that bin Laden wants an Islamic setup. OK. They want one as they define it, which is not the way most Moslems would do so. I was not stating a fact I agreed with, nor stating what Moslems world wide would like. I was stating what bin Laden wants. Whether it is a perverted interpretation of Islamic law is neither here nor there - it is what he wants. Which was all I was presenting. NOT agreeing with. Just describing. And he sees America as an obstacle to this. I did not say that was reality. Only his perception. (And, I'm not a god damned European. Just one of those god damned Americans. And, I feel have as much right to voice opinions as anyone. And, all any of us are doing here is just that. No topic we have brought up is so cut and dry that we are covering all aspects in our little e-mails. No matter what one of us writes, someone can point out a problem and shoot it full of holes.) | | - So, he wants the US out of KSA so the country can move forward. | | As long as the US stays, he feels it is a military occupation | | that does more to support the royal family than to deter Iraq | | or increase peace in the area. And, peace in KSA and the Gulf at | | the price of attacks at home? | | your definition if forward is a peculiar one. and we do not give a | toot as to what he feels until what he feels is the fires of hell, | which shall be coming along to collect him shortly. 'forward' as HE sees it. That was the whole point. As HE sees it. Surely he is wrong. But I WANT to understand why someone would do this. I need to see what his point of view is. I need this to come to grips with things. September 11 was not a random act of hatred. So then what was it. What would a person have to believe in order to do such a thing? I have many friends who are Arabs. I am unsure how to relate to them now. They are my friends. What would it take for them to think like this? Could they? I listen to them as always. Do I hear the same thing? Have they been saying things I never paid close attention to but, if I know how bin Laden thinks, maybe I will hear a different meaning? This was what my exercise was all about. | | In no way does this justify September 11th. | | ah yes, the whole the u.s. had it coming, but that's not to say that | the u.s. had it coming crap we're beginning to hear from the | cheese-eating surrender monkeys of the world. You are reading into this other that was intended. The US did not have this comming. No one does. Ever. Period. If you knew me you would not feel this about my character. Your statement absolutely does not describe me. Perhaps in the sake of brevity this does not come across. That
Re: New York WTC
måndagen den 17 september 2001 17.22 you wrote: Why dont you burn your pasport and go have some crepes and fruit, you have been away from meat and potatoes too long. FYI Meat and potatoes is somewhat of a staple diet here in Sweden. :-) And we don't have crepes we have pannkakor. Olle Viksten ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTCTID
It seems like Hitler once thought like this. dep dep@drippingwithTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] irony.com cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: New York WTC linux-users-admin @linux.nf 09/17/01 12:42 PM Please respond to linux-users On Monday 17 September 2001 10:58, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: | So we stay. But in the context of my very first sentence, the next | statement explained why HE, BIN LADEN, WHO'S POINT OF VIEW I WAS | PRESENTING, feels this is a problem. Perhaps that was not clear | enough in the opening line of my post. if i misread you, i apologize. we're starting to hear bigtime from the blame america first crowd, and i have no patience for them. i've seen several people put forward the arguments you made as if they were gospel, and again, i'm sorry if i interpreted your remarks as being along that line, which in my estimation is intolerable. -- dep There is sobbing of the strong, And a pall upon the land; But the People in their weeping Bare the iron hand; Beware the People weeping When they bare the iron hand. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
I guess to point out how stupid my last post was, I'll add to this thread. Did anyone read about Tom Clancy's take on the whole ordeal? It is interesting, since the attack was somewhat similar to a plot in one of his books, to hear his comments. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On Monday 17 September 2001 11:10, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: | This week I was to be in Riyadh. For the first time I can remember, | I really have been a bit afraid to go. Due to flight delays, my | VISA has been held up. Sort of saved by the bell. yeah. i'd do my best to avoid that part of the world. frankly, until there's a better handle on this, i'd do my best to avoid being in crowds as well. and i'd stay in touch with the embassy -- there's some possibility that it will for a change be issuing good information. but saudia is never the best place to be, and the things that are going to unfold are likely to make a bad place to be a much worse place to be. | This is probably a bit of an explaination for my incessant | rumblings on this here. This is a first for me. I have never felt | being an American abroad was a problem. Most people have far more | complaints against the Germans, who are the real ones throwing | their economic weight around in this part of the world. Not to | mention their territorial beach behavior. yeah. germany has decided that they're willing to fight this war to the last american. there's a lot of backchannel jockeying for position. italy has decided to cheer us on from the sidelines, but the last time italy defeated anybody their opponent was equipped with spears and rocks -- a little less threatening than is current afghanistan, but not much -- so that little matters. i think that it's pretty clear that the u.s. can count on the u.s., and if anybody else comes along, fine. but we're the target of the bad guys, and the bad guys are the target of us. | A friend of mine in southern France has said that they have been | warned to be discrete in speaking English and being identified as | an American. There is concern that bin Laden's suggestion that 'if | you see an American, kill him' might start to happen. i think that it is highly likely that there will be some of this. and i think it's important to remember that while bin laden may have had a part in this, there is every reason to think he was far from alone. | I was joking on the 'i dunno...' thing. I have no intention of | giving up citizenship. Maybe just the accent. yeah. an american passport is a more grave thing today than ever before. here's to you for taking some pride in it, because where you are it's a lot more meaningful -- it's easy to wave the flag over here. -- dep There is sobbing of the strong, And a pall upon the land; But the People in their weeping Bare the iron hand; Beware the People weeping When they bare the iron hand. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mozilla 0.9.4 is out
At 11:08 AM 9/17/2001 +0800, you wrote: It's quite flakey for me many times I will go for a URL and it will come back 'not found'. Do a reload and it finds it. This is about 50% of the time. Also seems to get confused a lot showing one URL in the top bar while the displayed page is something else. People on the SuSE list are having trouble with it, saying that it doesn't display jpgs properly, for instance at kde.themes.org and e.themes.org. Also trouble using it to download. The nightlies for a week before the .0.9.4 release were a wreak, some of them didn't even render html properly. I'm really quite surprised they didn't make it a little more stable before naming it 0.9.4. I get the feeling that a lot of cvs commits were made in the last week or so that broke things. Jonathan Wilson System Administrator Cedar Creek Software http://www.cedarcreeksoftware.com Central Texas IT http://www.centraltexasit.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTCTID
Not a fair use of hitler On Monday 17 September 2001 10:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems like Hitler once thought like this. dep dep@drippingwithTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] irony.com cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: New York WTC linux-users-admin @linux.nf 09/17/01 12:42 PM Please respond to linux-users On Monday 17 September 2001 10:58, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: | So we stay. But in the context of my very first sentence, the next | statement explained why HE, BIN LADEN, WHO'S POINT OF VIEW I WAS | PRESENTING, feels this is a problem. Perhaps that was not clear | enough in the opening line of my post. if i misread you, i apologize. we're starting to hear bigtime from the blame america first crowd, and i have no patience for them. i've seen several people put forward the arguments you made as if they were gospel, and again, i'm sorry if i interpreted your remarks as being along that line, which in my estimation is intolerable. -- dep There is sobbing of the strong, And a pall upon the land; But the People in their weeping Bare the iron hand; Beware the People weeping When they bare the iron hand. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Ronnie == Life can be a dream; or it can be a nightmare it's all in your mind ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On Monday 17 September 2001 11:22, Ronnie Gauthier wrote: | Why dont you burn your pasport and go have some crepes and fruit, | you have been away from meat and potatoes too long. unfair. roger has explained his meaning, and he's one of the good guys. you wanna see the bad guys, look here: http://www.beatbackbush.org/index1.html -- dep There is sobbing of the strong, And a pall upon the land; But the People in their weeping Bare the iron hand; Beware the People weeping When they bare the iron hand. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: RAM
One reservation: Some old MB do not supportsdrams with error correction Auyeung - Original Message - : Glenn Williams : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : 2001917 PM 11:18 : Re: RAM On Monday 17 September 2001 09:01, you wrote: On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 06:41:35 -0600, Glenn Williams wrote: Somehow, the answer to this simple question slipped past me during my 'basic' training. All else being equal, can I use PC133 RAM in a machine with a 100 MHz bus? Or even a 66 MHz bus? I am. But the only pitfall I have found is that I can't now add a PC100 DIMM to the system The PC133 DIMM disappearsHi, Shawn:The inability to add slower RAM to existing faster memory is duly noted.Thanks!Regards,Glenn-- Glenn Williams - [EMAIL PROTECTED]Registered Linux User #135678Powered by SuSE 7.2 Linux Professional___http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
score one for our side. in several ways. an european cracker busted open a mailing list used by, among others, some of the people who committed the atrocity last week, and posted the list of 500 email addresses. story is here: http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/medien/0,1518,157759,00.html -- dep There is sobbing of the strong, And a pall upon the land; But the People in their weeping Bare the iron hand; Beware the People weeping When they bare the iron hand. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On Monday 17 September 2001 11:56 am, dep wrote: | Why dont you burn your pasport and go have some crepes and fruit, | you have been away from meat and potatoes too long. unfair. roger has explained his meaning, and he's one of the good guys. you wanna see the bad guys, look here: http://www.beatbackbush.org/index1.html I looked at this site for a long time and I never really did find out what their agenda is... Phrases like being against 'the Bush Program' are throughout but never a statement dealing with specifics. And the list of 'endorsers' speaks volumes... -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/17/01 12:19 + ++ Men don't change. The only thing new in the world is the history you don't know. - President Harry S. Truman (1884-1972) ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SETI...
On Sunday 16 September 2001 09:10, Jerry McBride babbled: On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 20:51:13 -0400 Douglas J. Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why not distributed.net? or genome@home? or folding@home? at least their clients are optimized to get the most out of your idle time and not designed to on purpose to use a non-optimized algorithm... ;0 I'd rather find E.T. than bust someones idea of a good encryption code key. :') distributed.net is not just cracking keys. and what about folding@home or genome@home? -- Douglas J. Hunley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Linux User #174778 Admin: http://hunley.homeip.net/Admin: http://linux.nf/ Brainbench Linux Administration Certified ~~ Now offering Linux admin services for the home user ~~ Psychology. Mind over matter. Mind under matter? It doesn't matter. Never mind. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
guess it is a bit unfair, bout the same way as saying we did this to ourselves. On Monday 17 September 2001 10:56, dep wrote: On Monday 17 September 2001 11:22, Ronnie Gauthier wrote: | Why dont you burn your pasport and go have some crepes and fruit, | you have been away from meat and potatoes too long. unfair. roger has explained his meaning, and he's one of the good guys. you wanna see the bad guys, look here: http://www.beatbackbush.org/index1.html -- Ronnie == Life can be a dream; or it can be a nightmare it's all in your mind ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:45:00 +0200, Olle Viksten wrote: FYI Meat and potatoes is somewhat of a staple diet here in Sweden. :-) And we don't have crepes we have pannkakor. Lol! point well taken. ;-) stayler ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTCTID
On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:49:53 -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems like Hitler once thought like this. Ok, I hearby envoke the Neticate rule that a thread be immediately terminated upon mention of the H word stayler ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SETI...
Quoting Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The WTC incidence may be a conspiraryc... maybe we shoudl contact the X-Files... I feel quite safe in saying that I am not the only list member who finds comments that make light of what happened to be totally unacceptable, in poor taste and most likely indicative of someone who themselves feels little or no remorse for what has happened. I would suggest that if you feel the need to offer quips and make comments of this nature you look elsewhere for an audience. I am not your friend and am happy for that, I would be ashamed at your comments if I were. -- Linux SxS [http://hal.humberc.on.ca/~mrcn0031/sxs/] ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On Monday 17 September 2001 11:17 am, you wrote: score one for our side. in several ways. an european cracker busted open a mailing list used by, among others, some of the people who committed the atrocity last week, and posted the list of 500 email addresses. story is here: http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/medien/0,1518,157759,00.html Can't speak german, cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: New York WTC
A co-worker who speaks German simply said someone cracked the subscriber list of a militant Islam newsletter. It contains 500 email addresses. Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager, Digital Media Lynch Technologies Inc. 416-744-7191 1-888-622-3729 416-744-0406 FAX www.lynchdigital.com -Original Message- From: Rick Sivernell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 12:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New York WTC On Monday 17 September 2001 11:17 am, you wrote: score one for our side. in several ways. an european cracker busted open a mailing list used by, among others, some of the people who committed the atrocity last week, and posted the list of 500 email addresses. story is here: http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/medien/0,1518,157759,00.html Can't speak german, cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: New York WTC
Rick Sivernell wrote: http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/medien/0,1518,157759,00.html Can't speak german, cheers Use the fish, Luke. As in babelfish translator. Give it the URL and it will convert it to English. --Tom Wilson ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTCTID
] Yup. Deliberately mentioning hitler doesn't kill the thread. Ronnie Gauthier wrote: % Not a fair use of hitler % % On Monday 17 September 2001 10:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % It seems like Hitler once thought like this. % % % % % % dep % dep@drippingwithTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] % irony.com cc: % Sent by: Subject: Re: New York WTC % linux-users-admin % @linux.nf % % % 09/17/01 12:42 PM % Please respond to % linux-users % % On Monday 17 September 2001 10:58, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: % | So we stay. But in the context of my very first sentence, the next % | statement explained why HE, BIN LADEN, WHO'S POINT OF VIEW I WAS % | PRESENTING, feels this is a problem. Perhaps that was not clear % | enough in the opening line of my post. % % if i misread you, i apologize. we're starting to hear bigtime from % the blame america first crowd, and i have no patience for them. i've % seen several people put forward the arguments you made as if they % were gospel, and again, i'm sorry if i interpreted your remarks as % being along that line, which in my estimation is intolerable. % % -- % dep % % There is sobbing of the strong, % And a pall upon the land; % But the People in their weeping % Bare the iron hand; % Beware the % People weeping % When they bare the iron hand. % ___ % http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] % Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc % -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users % % % % % ___ % http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] % Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc % -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users % % -- % Ronnie % == % Life can be a dream; or it can be a nightmare % it's all in your mind % ___ % http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] % Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Every man has his price. Mine is $3.95. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On Monday 17 September 2001 12:15 pm, you wrote: Rick Sivernell wrote: http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/medien/0,1518,157759,00.html Can't speak german, cheers Use the fish, Luke. As in babelfish translator. Give it the URL and it will convert it to English. --Tom Wilson ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Tom I did not know about that. I thought it was for developers onlt in projects cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
In the Is that a good thing or a bad thing? department... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20010917/aponline114219_000.htm If bin Laden is guilty, this brings the very real possibility of solving the immediate problem without having much effect on terrorism as a force. I mean, if we were to return to a situation where W. Europe rarely saw acts of terrorism and America were immune we lose our excuse to get tough. Stuart Biggerstaff Linda Hall Library 5109 Cherry Kansas City, MO 64110 Phone: (816) 926-8748 (800) 662-1545 x748 FAX:(816) 926-8785 URL:www.lindahall.org ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I am afraid...
I could not agree more.. stayler On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 18:04:24 -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am afraid of those who would, in mindless persuit of some increase in security discard the freedoms that so many have fought and died to preserve. Benjamin Franklin observed that those who would sacrifice essential freedoms for a little security will soon have neither. If we sacrifice any of the Bill of Rights for the sake of some false image of safety, whether acting in some War Against Drugs, or in a War Against Terror, the enemy has already won. Finding a way to achieve our goals that does not demolish our own foundations in freedom is sometimes hard - but always worthy. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTCTID
On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:46:45 -0700 (PST) Shawn Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: ST ST I hearby envoke the Neticate rule that a thread be immediately ST terminated upon mention of the H word ST ST stayler === Dammit Shawn, Who do you think you are, Hitler??? ;-) Mike -- One can search the brain with a microscope and not find the mind, and can search the stars with a telescope and not find God. -- J. Gustav White ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I am afraid...
I am afraid of heights (I would hate to have to jump more than 10 stories) and now airplanes, whether in one or watching them fly overhead. People almost invariably choose personal security over freedom. Any rational person would. Joel ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: vi and tr
On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 05:29:04PM +0800, Chang wrote: 1. Does vi have a hex viewer mode? Or should I use soemthing else? Something like the PCTOOLS or LIST in DOS would be nice. 2. How could I translate 0x0A into 0x0D+0x0A with tr? I tried tr '\012' \015\012' file.unix file.dos but only \015 was there. I was using the dos version of tr I do no think you can translate one character into two. I think you have to use sed. The newer sed versions allow any hex (or octal or decimal) character to be processed: cat file | sed 's/\o012/\o015\o012/g' might work. Haven't tried it though. Obviously, this sort of substitution makes sed very handy. Joel ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: who had the ELF errors with Mozilla flash?
On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Works ok here. I downloaded the latest flash from macromedia. No crashes. (Not much testing yet) I thought that perhaps my version of the flash plugin was outdated, so I downloaded it again too, but its the same version that i used previously. It just refuses to get recognized by mozilla-0.9.4. Works just fine in 0.9.3. Ken, you sure that you're doing this with 0.9.4? Any secrets to your success? What sites don't work? I'll give 'em a try. I have tried a few in the flash showcase, and they seem to work here with Mozilla 0.9.4. I think I installed flash to the Netscape plugin directory, and there are links to it in the mozilla plugin directory. -- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I am afraid...
On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 05:03:09PM -0400, Joel Hammer wrote: I am afraid of heights (I would hate to have to jump more than 10 stories) and now airplanes, whether in one or watching them fly overhead. People almost invariably choose personal security over freedom. Any rational person would. Speak for yourself. I prefer ``Live Free or Die''. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!'' -- Emiliano Zapata. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTCTID
I think that the H word is not so bad. H is not a daemon. He was a very badly flawed human being who led his nation into disaster and got millions of people killed in the bargain. We should study his life carefully, not make him into an unmentionable demigod. During his life (at least while he was winning) he was admired by many people, among them Gandhi. (Gandhi was opposed to English imperialism and he admired H's diplomatic victories, won without bloodshed. [This is based one quote I have from Gandhi regarding Herr H.]) You can learn much from the study of such men and the times in which they lived. SO, phooey on this simplistic rule. H is no different from SM (Stalin and Mao.) Joel On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 07:23:16PM -0400, Michael Scottaline wrote: On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:46:45 -0700 (PST) Shawn Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: ST ST I hearby envoke the Neticate rule that a thread be immediately ST terminated upon mention of the H word ST ST stayler === Dammit Shawn, Who do you think you are, Hitler??? ;-) Mike -- One can search the brain with a microscope and not find the mind, and can search the stars with a telescope and not find God. -- J. Gustav White ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: BP adds to Open Source
On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 22:47:12 -0700 Richard Anderson wrote: This is good, but if you are looking for a good open-source seismic processing system, I recommend SU (http://www.cwp.mines.edu/sututor/node1.html ), developed and maintained by Colorado School of Mines, a leading exploration geophysics school. SU is written in C and was developed during the 80's and 90's by leading academic and industry geophysicists such as Ken Larner, Einar Kjartansson, Dave Hale, Chris Liner and many others. New algorithms are still being added. I was one of the many contributors to Chevron's seismic processing system. I feel safe in saying that a large, Fortran-based seismic processing system developed in-house at a major oil company and maintained by an army of programmers is of more historical than practical interest. Also, given algorithm equivalence and equal coding skills, I think it is unlikely that a Fortran program could equal the performance of a C program on Linux. (Processing seismic reflection data is one of the most compute-intensive applications around, right up there is cosmologic modelling, etc.) ProMax is the leading commercial seismic processing system - if you've got the bucks, this is the way to go. I'm a research geophysicist, and former systems analyst for Shell (22 years). What amazed me was that someone in this industry would support open source in this way. I'm also not sure your statement about Fortran vs C is correct. We've done benchmarks, and for hard core I/O + CPU numerics, Fortran is still hard to beat. And we run ours on Linux (the 1024 node IBM cluster). Porting to Linux was amazingly easy. We have an in-house system that is so well-tuned that when we ran it on Apollo workstations (remember those?), it overloaded the power supplies and caused them to arc out and fail. They never expected anyone would drive the I/O, CPU, and Bus at 100% all at once. Actually I have copies of both - they have different algorithm sets. The Mines software is less into signal processing and heavier into migration, I think, following the major interests of their faculty. 8-) The BP library seems a bit better balanced, from a practical standpoint. Personally I'm looking to snag some deconvolution code to apply to my audio tracks I've ripped off old vinyl records. -- --- | Alan K. Jackson| To see a World in a Grain of Sand | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | And a Heaven in a Wild Flower, | | www.ajackson.org | Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand | | Houston, Texas | And Eternity in an hour. - Blake | --- ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I am afraid...
People almost invariably choose personal security over freedom. Any rational person would. Speak for yourself. I prefer ``Live Free or Die''. I would rather show a photo id to get on a plane than be hijacked. I would rather the state license drivers of cars so I don't get killed by an incompetent driver. I would rather cameras be used to screen faces in public places than have a bomb go off during my third beer. I would rather be stopped and frisked for weapons than be shot by a mugger in New York City. I would rather have packages inspected carefully by the postal service than get a letter bomb. I would rather the INS screen the border very carefully than to have known Arab terrorists and their associates book commercial flights and fly commercial jets into high rise buildings. There is no such thing as absolute freedom. That would be called anarchy. Even animals have a social order and rules. Joel ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
[ snips ] On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:49:20 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 17 September 2001 08:09, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: | But if we look at the bin Laden complaint against the US: Who gives a rats patoot about Bin Ladens's complaints against the US or anyone else? your ringing endorsement of cowardice is duly noted. Right on, dep! -- Collins Richey Denver Area gentoo_rc6 xfce+sylpheed ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I am afraid...
On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:03:09 -0400, Joel Hammer wrote: I am afraid of heights (I would hate to have to jump more than 10 stories) and now airplanes, whether in one or watching them fly overhead. People almost invariably choose personal security over freedom. Any rational person would. I would disagree with this ascertation. I do not believe that a truely rational person would ever choose security over freedom, for without freedom there is no security. The two are mutually exclusive. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTCTID
No but I am a nodataforyou.networknazi ;-) On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:23:16 -0400, Michael Scottaline wrote: ST ST I hearby envoke the Neticate rule that a thread be immediately ST terminated upon mention of the H word ST ST stayler === Dammit Shawn, Who do you think you are, Hitler??? ;-) Mike ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SETI...
My system is still one SETI unit daily. But I really question this program. Frankly, I question the value of this search program. And we could stop this program from running without crashing a plane into WTC, right? :) Not funny. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Special Report
WEATHER REPORT FOR KABUL, AFGHANISTAN Today, partly sunny, temp in the 80s and winds from the west at 10 mph. Tomorrow, sunny in the morning, temperatures rising in the afternoon to 3000 degrees and winds approaching 750 mph. Have a nice day. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:31:05 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 17 September 2001 12:20, Bruce Marshall wrote: | I looked at this site for a long time and I never really did find | out what their agenda is... Phrases like being against 'the | Bush Program' are throughout but never a statement dealing with | specifics. | | And the list of 'endorsers' speaks volumes... Their agenda is quite clear - these are the same, impotent, whining socialists who derive the benefits of our wonderful country but despise everything American. They hate the blood and gore of the WTC disaster, but they applaud the accomplishment - one strike against corporate America. They would if they could acomplish the same thing that Bin Laden and cronies are trying - to bring down America. If they fear anything, they fear that America will be seized with a patriotic fervor and actually clean out the rats' nests that foment such acts as the one this week. Their dream is that of a controlled society (notice the groups mourning the departure of the Communist experiment in Central America are on board); theirs is not the American dream! I pray that they and their sympathizers will be recognized for what they are - essentially irrelavant. -- Collins Richey Denver Area gentoo_rc6 xfce+sylpheed ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
[OT] GENOME
Would the human GENOME project redefine gloabl laws related to incest? The first time I touched genetics, I have been thinking about that. Not talking about psychology here. distributed.net is not just cracking keys. and what about folding@home or genome@home? _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I am afraid...
Then find out why Ladden did it? Talk to him before making a military arrest. :) Joel Hammer wrote: I am afraid of heights (I would hate to have to jump more than 10 stories) and now airplanes, whether in one or watching them fly overhead. People almost invariably choose personal security over freedom. Any rational person would. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SETI...
Im interested in allowing 'use' of my system during idle for these companies that 'borrow' cpu cycles. would someone be kind enuff to post a few links to them so I may pick one or two that I feel more like helping... TIA, On Monday 17 September 2001 11:51, you wrote: Quoting Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The WTC incidence may be a conspiraryc... maybe we shoudl contact the X-Files... I feel quite safe in saying that I am not the only list member who finds comments that make light of what happened to be totally unacceptable, in poor taste and most likely indicative of someone who themselves feels little or no remorse for what has happened. I would suggest that if you feel the need to offer quips and make comments of this nature you look elsewhere for an audience. I am not your friend and am happy for that, I would be ashamed at your comments if I were. -- Linux SxS [http://hal.humberc.on.ca/~mrcn0031/sxs/] ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Bill Day A.K.A. BadMan RLU#188133 RLM#83358 http://counter.li.org irc.openprojects.net #linux-users MicroShaft is the only company that introduces an OS that is worse than the one it replaces. --- 7:30pm up 47 days, 9:31, 25 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I am afraid...
It's just propaganda kind of things. Soon, all measures would be loosen again. Stay tuned. I am afraid of heights (I would hate to have to jump more than 10 stories) and now airplanes, whether in one or watching them fly overhead. People almost invariably choose personal security over freedom. Any rational person would. I would disagree with this ascertation. I do not believe that a truely rational person would ever choose security over freedom, for without freedom there is no security. The two are mutually exclusive. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I am afraid...
On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 20:14:15 -0400 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People almost invariably choose personal security over freedom. Any rational person would. Speak for yourself. I prefer ``Live Free or Die''. I would rather... I hate to admit this, but after some thought I agree with you. We don't live in a world of innocense any longer. We live in a time when the man, woman or child standing next to you can take your life in the name of some god you've never had the time to learn about... I'd rather submit to random searches than random acts of terrorism. Damn that bastard for what he's done to us. Damn him all the way to his grave. I've burned his image into my mind and as sure as you are my witness, I will clean his plate on sight... -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux 8:59pm up 14 days, 8:06, 7 users, load average: 0.06, 0.15, 0.16 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mozilla 0.9.4 is out
do you know the mozilla team? Please remind them the important of the goto messsage button in search message window. Thank you. At least me and one other user have filed a buziilla report related to that. Yes, Mozilla has supported multiple email usenet accounts for some time now. At least since the .8.x series. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux FAQ Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RPM Messages...
package .anchors not listed in file index package common not listed in file index package index.docbook not listed in file index When I did rpm -Uvh kdelibs2-2.1.2-1.i386.rpm I got the messages. What do they mean and will this bite me later? ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Ok. The truth is out there. You comments would be recorded. I would suggest that if you feel the need to offer quips and make comments of this nature you look elsewhere for an audience. I am not your friend and am happy for that, I would be ashamed at your comments if I were. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SETI...
you can just search google.com for SETI@home and distributed.net Don't just think about cpu cycles. Think coal and oil. Your computer needs electricity. Bill Day wrote: Im interested in allowing 'use' of my system during idle for these companies that 'borrow' cpu cycles. would someone be kind enuff to post a few links to them so I may pick one or two that I feel more like helping... _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I am afraid...
On Monday 17 September 2001 19:56, Bill Campbell wrote: | Speak for yourself. I prefer ``Live Free or Die''. i see you and raise you fifty: i prefer let me live free. and if you don't, prepare to die. -- dep There is sobbing of the strong, And a pall upon the land; But the People in their weeping Bare the iron hand; Beware the People weeping When they bare the iron hand. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SETI...
Bill Day wrote: Im interested in allowing 'use' of my system during idle for these companies that 'borrow' cpu cycles. would someone be kind enuff to post a few links to them so I may pick one or two that I feel more like helping... TIA, snip http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu -- Andrew Mathews 7:55pm up 2 days, 1:55, 5 users, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00 WHO sees a BEACH BUNNY sobbing on a SHAG RUG?! ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTCTID
On Monday 17 September 2001 20:01, Joel Hammer wrote: | H is no different from SM | (Stalin and Mao.) yeah he is. he killed nowhere near as many people as the other two did. -- dep There is sobbing of the strong, And a pall upon the land; But the People in their weeping Bare the iron hand; Beware the People weeping When they bare the iron hand. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Experiences with gentoo_rc6
Once you get over the initial hurdles, this is a really great distro. I'm back to the point where I was with jblinux or any of my earlier distros - everything (in my case that's sound card, cups printing, CD_RW, dhcp, xfce, minimal kde2.2, minimal gnome). I just need to copy over and install Opera. Now that I've won the battle to get cups up and going, I can really appreciate what jblinux had to offer in some respects (I could not get kde2.2 to work on jblinux, sadly to say). During the process I've learned to search for TFM in a lot of places and RTFM continually. It's been a positive experience. I've only had to ask my typical dumb question a couple of times. In one case (cups) the answer was yeah, we haven't done that yet; why don't you do it and get back to us. Which is what I did - slowly. I've learned how to add boot scripts to the system - it's surprisingly easy. gentoo_rc6 has a simple but powerful dependancy based system. init points to a controlling script in /sbin. The detail scripts are in /etc/init.d. The detail scripts are invoked by symlinks in /etc/runlevels/boot, /etc/runlevels/default, etc. Each script has an optional dependancy section that is used to sequence the startup. I also had to figure out the hard way how to incorporate a logger into the system; they forgot to do this during install. Most of the elements were there, but some assembly required. You get a choice of plain old sysklogd or a couple of others. I chose metalog, just to be different. The one quirk about metalog is that everything is buffered. If you need to tail -f the current log, you have to disable buffering temporarily. Like any 2.4.x+current glibc system, it's rock solid. Since gentoo are big users of python, I decided to give python a fling. I've got the tkinter extensions, and I've even built a few panels from scratch. It's not as easy as perl, but quite powerful. The OO stuff actually makes sense, unlike C++ or Java. There's one annoying bug I haven't resolved (it's probably not a gentoo thing); I'll cover this in a separate mail. Jump in, the water's fine. -- Collins Richey Denver Area gentoo_rc6 xfce+sylpheed ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I am afraid...
Joel Hammer wrote: snip There is no such thing as absolute freedom. That would be called anarchy. Even animals have a social order and rules. Joel Agreed. Nor is there absolute perfection, absolute power, or absolute correctness. The difference (besides opposable thumbs) is that some animals refuse to give up their freedom. Ever seen anyone ride a zebra? They can't be broken like a horse. Why do many animals have a greatly reduced lifespan when caged? Their spirit is broken. I can't say I've ever heard of anyone fighting to be oppressed. Only to be free. Now someone fighting to oppress others, well, that happens every day. Whether we, as individuals, roll over for them or stand up to them depends on one's conscience. -- Andrew Mathews 7:35pm up 2 days, 1:35, 5 users, load average: 1.27, 1.18, 1.11 Would that my hand were as swift as my tongue. -- Alfieri ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
mail server.. Ideas..?
I currently have a dns2go domain and am interetested in trying out an aspect of it.. the email side.. however I must run and emailserver and dnsgo for the amil to come into the domain name.. Any suggestions as to what I need to run for it.. or those that have done it alreay maybe you can enlighten me.. TIA -- Bill Day A.K.A. BadMan RLU#188133 RLM#83358 http://counter.li.org irc.openprojects.net #linux-users MicroShaft is the only company that introduces an OS that is worse than the one it replaces. --- 8:30pm up 47 days, 10:31, 25 users, load average: 0.66, 0.36, 0.17 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I am afraid...
On Monday 17 September 2001 21:07, Chang wrote: | Then find out why Ladden did it? Talk to him before making a | military arrest. :) as i understand it, our arrest of him will be under a provision of british military law, rule .303. we had a version of that, rule .308, but we wimped out and now are stuck with our own rule .223. -- dep There is sobbing of the strong, And a pall upon the land; But the People in their weeping Bare the iron hand; Beware the People weeping When they bare the iron hand. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Special Report
On Monday 17 September 2001 21:00, stayler wrote: | WEATHER REPORT FOR KABUL, AFGHANISTAN | | Today, partly sunny, temp in the 80s and winds from the west at 10 | mph. Tomorrow, sunny in the morning, temperatures rising in the | afternoon to 3000 | degrees | and winds approaching 750 mph. | Have a nice day. you may be close to right. we're removing all nonessential americans from pakistan. and we have a little something else going on that will astound you. and no, it doesn't have anything directly to do with your forecast. -- dep There is sobbing of the strong, And a pall upon the land; But the People in their weeping Bare the iron hand; Beware the People weeping When they bare the iron hand. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: vi and tr
Thank you for the tr tips. Does Linux has a de-facto standard file viewer that could view files in hex mode? 1. Does vi have a hex viewer mode? Or should I use soemthing else? Something like the PCTOOLS or LIST in DOS would be nice. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I am afraid...
On Monday 17 September 2001 09:09, Jerry McBride wrote: | I'd rather submit to random searches than random acts of terrorism. i'd rather be vigilant and get to my weapon before he can get to his. | Damn that bastard for what he's done to us. Damn him all the way to | his grave. entirely right. except for one thing -- it's those bastards. there are a lot of them, in a multitude of countries. just remember that we shall be making life for those who so much as smiled last tuesday nasty, brutish, and short. | I've burned his image into my mind and as sure as you are my | witness, I will clean his plate on sight... i would be delighted to have the honor of personally kicking big blue out the back of a c-130 over any of a number of cities, from khartoum to baghdad to damascus. though this would do, too. http://www.mn.afrl.af.mil/public/mnme/mnme.html -- dep There is sobbing of the strong, And a pall upon the land; But the People in their weeping Bare the iron hand; Beware the People weeping When they bare the iron hand. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mozilla 0.9.4 is out
--- Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you know the mozilla team? no = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux FAQ Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
bash profile problem
I have bash 2.04, and I can't find anyway to get the aliases in the profile to take effect for normal users. I have source /etc/profile in both .bash_profile and .bashrc on both normal an root users. When I start as a normal user, the prompt is in color as set in /etc/profile but the aliases are not in effect (example: ls is aliased to use colors). ls in color does not work until I enter source /etc/profile again! I know that the profile executed, because variables are set that only appear in /etc/profile. If, however, I use su, ls is available immediately in color. Is this a bash bug, maybe? -- Collins Richey Denver Area gentoo_rc6 xfce+sylpheed ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I am afraid...
correctness. The difference (besides opposable thumbs) is that some animals refuse to give up their freedom. Ever seen anyone ride a zebra? They can't be broken like a horse. Why do many animals have a greatly reduced lifespan when caged? Their spirit is broken. I can't say I've I an not sure if caged animals live shorter lives. I know that dolphins in the wild don't live as long as penned dolphins. Most animals, including the human animal, live longer when given a steady diet, are fed even when they are too sick to hunt/gather food that week, get medicine for infections, and are protected from predation and extremes of weather. Not having to fight for mates or for territory also extends life. If some animals die quicker in cages, it is likely due to infection or stress from overcrowding. About riding zebras, I think that may have more to do with evolution. Domestic animals have been bred to work with humans. Horses, dogs, cows, etc. all have a long history of selective breeding (by humans) to make them useful to us. As an example of something we take for granted in domesticated animals, you cannot house break a chimpanzee. Despite high intelligence, the chimp has not evolved, they tell me, control over their sphincter function, so necessary for humans and their animal companions. Imagine how long a human/dog/cat would last in a human group if they just did their business whenever the need hit them. I don't see a man getting many mates (human ones, at least) if he had that problem. Joel P.S. This thread seems to have hit rock bottom with this email! Shall we not say TID (Thread is dead)? ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: vi and tr
I know there is one. Its on my home computer, which is down right down, but I will look around. A search on hot bot might turn something up. vi -b will let you edit binary files. Joel 1. Does vi have a hex viewer mode? Or should I use soemthing else? Something like the PCTOOLS or LIST in DOS would be nice. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I am afraid...
I think that shortly we will be able to use rule .270 or .300 under the personal choice option. Also, I do believe that rule .50 should be seriously considered as a good long range solution. On Monday 17 September 2001 21:07, dep wrote: On Monday 17 September 2001 21:07, Chang wrote: | Then find out why Ladden did it? Talk to him before making a | military arrest. :) as i understand it, our arrest of him will be under a provision of british military law, rule .303. we had a version of that, rule .308, but we wimped out and now are stuck with our own rule .223. -- Ronnie == Life can be a dream; or it can be a nightmare it's all in your mind ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Special Report
A seagull told me that the UK is going to do some house cleaning soon. On Monday 17 September 2001 21:05, dep wrote: On Monday 17 September 2001 21:00, stayler wrote: | WEATHER REPORT FOR KABUL, AFGHANISTAN | | Today, partly sunny, temp in the 80s and winds from the west at 10 | mph. Tomorrow, sunny in the morning, temperatures rising in the | afternoon to 3000 | degrees | and winds approaching 750 mph. | Have a nice day. you may be close to right. we're removing all nonessential americans from pakistan. and we have a little something else going on that will astound you. and no, it doesn't have anything directly to do with your forecast. -- Ronnie == Life can be a dream; or it can be a nightmare it's all in your mind ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Special Report
These guys can figure a way to smoke him out. http://www.mn.afrl.af.mil/public/ordnance.html On Monday 17 September 2001 21:33, dep wrote: On Monday 17 September 2001 22:09, Chang wrote: | you sure that you got the chance fior that? Ladden may just kill | himself to keep his people alive. well, it won't help them, but if you run into him and think there's a chance of it, don't tell him. -- Ronnie == Life can be a dream; or it can be a nightmare it's all in your mind ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
