[LUTE] Re: Newsidler and plucking or not?
Thank you Mathias, interesting and important comments! What makes me prefer my choice is that many, many years ago I happened to sang Elslein in a small group, and the not repeating way resembles so much better to the sound of the that Lied than the other alternative. Arto On 01/02/13 21:32, Mathias Rösel wrote: If you look at the final clause (5 t 5), you will see that Newsidler knew and wrote held notes. I take that as an argument against the notion that he wrote a note but didn't mean it to be played but to be held. Another argument might be that if you omit the repeated note you can hardly explain why you hit the following treble note with the index, and that is an important matter in his method. So I vote for playing the repeated note. Mathias To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy
On 26/01/13 22:38, William Samson wrote: I'll also ask the collective wisdom if they know of any solo Italian repertoire for this instrument before I go and make one. Well, I already made mine in the 1990's and web-published those in 2008. There is one Cazzati and a couple of Zannetis, see my page http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/own/Chitarrino/ for my facsimilies! :-) Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Tiny little Capirola Recercar
Dear lutenists, I just tubed Capirola's short Recercar decimo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH3D5L8bUyofeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/58203825 Nice little piece, but perhaps not so trivial, as it looks like; there are some so called false relations (for ex. f against f#) and some other little peculiarities along those 46 seconds. Arto PS I just had to warm up my renaissance lute playing before tomorrow rehearsal... ;-) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] ... a tiny Rondo by a tiny Count ...
.. just in (the rare) case someone is interested: Rondaut Comte d'Logy (US-NYpMYO, f.33v-34r) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZsNLTeD7iofeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/57699391 Arto On 16/01/13 21:51, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear baroque lutenists, I happened to find a Courante by Losy that starts very French way, but in the B section goes to some kind of Sturm und Drang. Perhaps Losy is an interesting case, anyhow... ;-) Courante Comte d'Logy (US-NYpMYO, f.31v-32r): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9BmzF8WQpYfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/57548408 best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Sturm und Drang before Sturm und Drang...
Dear baroque lutenists, I happened to find a Courante by Losy that starts very French way, but in the B section goes to some kind of Sturm und Drang. Perhaps Losy is an interesting case, anyhow... ;-) Courante Comte d'Logy (US-NYpMYO, f.31v-32r): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9BmzF8WQpYfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/57548408 best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: La prima sera in NYp-MYO: composer and structure?
Thank you Arthur! So there anyway is something to note in this piece... At least to the writer of this interesting ms. best wishes, Arto On 14/01/13 20:38, Arthur Ness wrote: It looks like a ligated (joined) NB, the abbreviation for Nota Bene. The last down stroke on N and the downstroke on B are the same. That's what the facsimile looks like, as far as I can tell. I've seen NB in the K'berg manuscript to draw attention to pieces for ensemble of two - four lutes. (I'm not suggesting it indicated a duet here. Cannot find my notes on the NY manuscripts.) inding ms. ajn - Original Message - From: Arto Wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 3:29 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: La prima sera in NYp-MYO: composer and structure? In case someone wants to investigate the original title, you can see it here: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/NB.JPG Any clarifications? Arto On 11/01/13 21:05, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear baroque musicians, I just tubed the curious La prima sera by NB (or AB?) in the ms. US-NYpMYO. Who (or what) could this NB be? I could not find info of that in the nice edition of the ms. by Michael Treder (Tree 2012). Maybe I did not read his analysis enough - my reading German is very slow... Anyone remembers some active composer N.B. or A.B. in Vienna around 1700? Not necessarily lutenist, for NB could also be the composer of the song? And what about the song? Anyone happens to know,where it comes from? My plays are in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_hEcbr6xr0feature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/57226475 Another interesting(?) question about the form of the piece (aria?): The piece has a short A part, four measures. The B part has three sections, b1 (4 bars), b2 (2 bars), b3 (2 bars). There are some repeat marks (well, who knows, what they actually are...;) The written form is: A :|: b1 |: b2 |: b3 :| I played it like this: A A b1 b2 b2 b3 b3 b1 b2 b2 b3 b3 A A So I took the b2 as an inside the B repeat, and the b3 as the petite reprise. Perhaps the B part should be b1 b2 b3 b2 b3 b3? So, first a longer petite reprise and then a shorter petite reprise? Repeating the A at the end just felt right. There is strong sense of a da capo aria in this piece, at least to my understanding. No clues of that in the ms., though... For some reason or another, Michael T. has left out the repeat marks(?) of the B part in his edition. all the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Entertainment or art?
Dear baroque musicians, in case my direct, unedited, not echo-boosted home recordings insult you, please delete this mail immediately! ;-) If you did not: I just tubed an Endre (Entree) and an Aria in A-major from US-NYpMYO. They are kind of simply pieces, the Endre perhaps even sounds etyde-like. On the other hand they are in some way quite different compared to the normal 1700 Austrian lute music. And at end not so easy, anyway... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ffDaQ4lCjAfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/57394299 So is this pop or art? Or perhaps there is/was no clear separation between the genres? I actually tend to think so... best wishes, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] A dramatic Aria in US-NYpMYO. Anyone recognises?
Hi lutenists, An Aria with a mini Prelude: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0WWgw-wJ2ofeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/56928250 Anyone recognises this Aria? it is probably an Italian opera aria that was known in Vienna sometime around 1700. Arto On 29/12/12 22:25, Arto Wikla wrote: And then even more enigmatic piece, perhaps an Aria, but the ms. doesn't say anything: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMbqkySdnEYfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/56475029 All the best, Arto On 27/12/12 22:23, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear baroque lutenists, I happened to find an unknown Aria by an unknown composer in ms. US-NYpMYO, fol. 13v. The piece sounds irritatingly familiar, though. If somebody happens to know the piece or the composer, please let me know! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLKS1PX9B14feature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/56385493 Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A dramatic Aria in US-NYpMYO. Anyone recognises?
Markus, you are really fast in finding concordances!! :-) The D-B40627 seems to an interesting ms., too. And I do not yet have that... ;) ;) (blink, blink!) best, Arto On 07/01/13 21:40, Markus Lutz wrote: Hi Arto, I don't know it either, but I found another concordance of it: = Aria ex B g-moll- D-B40627 / 63v Best regards Markus Am 07.01.2013 20:30, schrieb Arto Wikla: Hi lutenists, An Aria with a mini Prelude: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0WWgw-wJ2ofeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/56928250 Anyone recognises this Aria? it is probably an Italian opera aria that was known in Vienna sometime around 1700. Arto On 29/12/12 22:25, Arto Wikla wrote: And then even more enigmatic piece, perhaps an Aria, but the ms. doesn't say anything: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMbqkySdnEYfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/56475029 All the best, Arto On 27/12/12 22:23, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear baroque lutenists, I happened to find an unknown Aria by an unknown composer in ms. US-NYpMYO, fol. 13v. The piece sounds irritatingly familiar, though. If somebody happens to know the piece or the composer, please let me know! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLKS1PX9B14feature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/56385493 Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: An anonymous Aria sounds so familiar...
This is true! Thanks Markus. And it explains also why it was so familiar to me! I've actually played the Wittge version in 2010: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDElIjSJTdg http://vimeo.com/15806184 Arto On 28/12/12 02:46, Markus Lutz wrote: Hi Arto, this seems to be a concordance of an Air by Losy: Air du Comte Logy (Losy?) d-moll- D-Witt / 5v 1. D-Witt / 5r (should mean 5v) | 2. F-Sim / 2r See 1. PL-Wn396 / 94v | 2. PL-Wu2008 / 62 (1) | 3. PL-Wu2009 / 78 (2) Best regards Markus Am 27.12.2012 21:23, schrieb Arto Wikla: Dear baroque lutenists, I happened to find an unknown Aria by an unknown composer in ms. US-NYpMYO, fol. 13v. The piece sounds irritatingly familiar, though. If somebody happens to know the piece or the composer, please let me know! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLKS1PX9B14feature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/56385493 Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] An anonymous Aria sounds so familiar...
Dear baroque lutenists, I happened to find an unknown Aria by an unknown composer in ms. US-NYpMYO, fol. 13v. The piece sounds irritatingly familiar, though. If somebody happens to know the piece or the composer, please let me know! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLKS1PX9B14feature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/56385493 Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Austrian(?) baroque in a New Yorkian ms.
Dear baroque lutenists, a tiny Preludium and an Allamande in the US-NYpMYO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=293ITxEklvQfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/56162661 Not very difficult pieces at all! But I really do like the often very economic style of the early and middle baroque - especially compared to the never ending repeating of all the phrases again and again, which so often happens in the late baroque music... ;-) Most enjoyable holiday time to all of you - with any name you happen to want to give to this period! Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: De Visee tab emergency
The two Saizenay facsimiles are public. And in very beautiful way, see http://culture.besancon.fr/ark:/48565/a011284026247S0XA9H/1/1 Arto On 16/12/12 02:45, be...@interlog.com wrote: Hi, folks! Hope all is well. I'm sending out a request for a couple of De Visee tabs that I can't seem to locate. In the A minor Suite d'Amila, there's a prelude and a courante. In the (awesome) Richard Civiol tabs that are available http://luthlibrairie.free.fr, I can't seem to find those two pieces - are they in the collection, and I'm just too dense to locate them? If anyone has a line on those two tabs, I'd be really grateful - please get in touch. Happy various holidays - Ben S - http://benjaminstein.ca/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Still more de Visee...
Robert was not too bad a composer... This time I tried his quite difficult Tombeau de Du But, Allemande de Mr de Visee [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD53XcEFA_Ufeature=youtu.be [2]http://vimeo.com/55634133 It could be played better, but for the moment I couldn't... ;-) Best, Arto On 07/12/12 21:57, Arto Wikla wrote: Just in case someone is interested, I played today a Sarabande in F major by de Visee. Could be played cleaner, but the piece is quite intersting: [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHCOlVzffxkfeature=youtu.be [4]http://vimeo.com/55120326 Arto PS Below my earlier d-minor lute de Visees: On 28/11/12 21:45, Arto Wikla wrote: Hi again dear pluckers, La Mutine, Allemande de Mr de Visee is a strange piece - some more or less odd harmonies and other unexpected things happening here and there. Just in case interested, my try is in [1][5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq8e9dq-Y3sfeature=youtu.be and also in [2][6]http://vimeo.com/54467209 I tried to find out the meaning of mutine. There were many. And I did not find out, what of those meanings de Visee might have been thinking... Best, Arto I wrote earlier: Well, in case someone is interested, I tried to play an Allemande in D major by de Visee - thematically there perhaps are some connections to the Corelli Courante? [3][7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWFYGKF59aMfeature=youtu.be [4][8]http://vimeo.com/53743753 I suppose this Allemande is a unique version, and only to the d-minor tuned lute? best, Arto On 16/11/12 22:02, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear lutenists of every type and baroque guitarists, I find it quite interesting that monsieur de Visee made some arrangements of some of the most famous composers of his time. I tried to play one Corelli arr by him: [1][5][9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxuJ8PZgn18feature=youtu.be [2][6][10]http://vimeo.com/53697535 Does anyone here happen to know, for what medium the model, the Corelli, Opera 2a Sonata 10a happens to be? Best, Arto PS Below are the links to my tiny recent efforts of trying to understand de Visee style of writing to the d-minor lute. On 09/11/12 21:25, I wrote: I just tried to play my version ofthe famous Chaconne to theorbo arranged to baroque lute. Possibly by the composer himself? Or not by him? Who knows... [3][7][11]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYUfeature=youtu.b e [4][8][12]http://vimeo.com/53172045 Still another de Visee, kind of bagpipe simulation (just remembering my Scottish set ;-) Robert de Visee: La Muzette in A major and A minor [5][9][13]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx382Lb2djwfeature=youtu.b e [6][10][14]http://vimeo.com/52755172 Robert de Visee: Pastoralle in F# minor [7][11][15]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI7z6tOU_2Qfeature=youtu. be [8][12][16]http://vimeo.com/51821674 Robert de Visee: La Montfermeil, Rondeau in A minor [9][13][17]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZpGmZaP1u8feature=youtu. be [10][14][18]http://vimeo.com/52176020 Robert de Visee: Gavotte in F# minor [11][15][19]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VlBbuW22zYfeature=youtu .be [12][16][20]http://vimeo.com/52292492 -- References 1. [17][21]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxuJ8PZgn18feature=youtu.be 2. [18][22]http://vimeo.com/53697535 3. [19][23]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYUfeature=youtu.be 4. [20][24]http://vimeo.com/53172045 5. [21][25]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx382Lb2djwfeature=youtu.be 6. [22][26]http://vimeo.com/52755172 7. [23][27]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI7z6tOU_2Qfeature=youtu.be 8. [24][28]http://vimeo.com/51821674 9. [25][29]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZpGmZaP1u8feature=youtu.be 10. [26][30]http://vimeo.com/52176020 11. [27][31]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VlBbuW22zYfeature=youtu.be 12. [28][32]http://vimeo.com/52292492 To get on or off this list see list information at [29][33]http
[BAROQUE-LUTE] An Allemande by de Visee has something in common with the Corelli Courante?
Well, in case someone is interested, I tried to play an Allemande in D major by de Visee - thematically there perhaps are some connections to the Corelli Courante? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWFYGKF59aMfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/53743753 I suppose this Allemande is a unique version, and only to the d-minor tuned lute? best, Arto On 16/11/12 22:02, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear lutenists of every type and baroque guitarists, I find it quite interesting that monsieur de Visee made some arrangements of some of the most famous composers of his time. I tried to play one Corelli arr by him: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxuJ8PZgn18feature=youtu.be [2]http://vimeo.com/53697535 Does anyone here happen to know, for what medium the model, the Corelli, Opera 2a Sonata 10a happens to be? Best, Arto PS Below are the links to my tiny recent efforts of trying to understand de Visee style of writing to the d-minor lute. On 09/11/12 21:25, I wrote: I just tried to play my version ofthe famous Chaconne to theorbo arranged to baroque lute. Possibly by the composer himself? Or not by him? Who knows... [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYUfeature=youtu.be [4]http://vimeo.com/53172045 Still another de Visee, kind of bagpipe simulation (just remembering my Scottish set ;-) Robert de Visee: La Muzette in A major and A minor [5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx382Lb2djwfeature=youtu.be [6]http://vimeo.com/52755172 Robert de Visee: Pastoralle in F# minor [7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI7z6tOU_2Qfeature=youtu.be [8]http://vimeo.com/51821674 Robert de Visee: La Montfermeil, Rondeau in A minor [9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZpGmZaP1u8feature=youtu.be [10]http://vimeo.com/52176020 Robert de Visee: Gavotte in F# minor [11]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VlBbuW22zYfeature=youtu.be [12]http://vimeo.com/52292492 -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxuJ8PZgn18feature=youtu.be 2. http://vimeo.com/53697535 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYUfeature=youtu.be 4. http://vimeo.com/53172045 5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx382Lb2djwfeature=youtu.be 6. http://vimeo.com/52755172 7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI7z6tOU_2Qfeature=youtu.be 8. http://vimeo.com/51821674 9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZpGmZaP1u8feature=youtu.be 10. http://vimeo.com/52176020 11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VlBbuW22zYfeature=youtu.be 12. http://vimeo.com/52292492 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Preludes by Vieux Gaultier ???
Sorry, it is in A MAJOR On 15/11/12 20:04, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear Jean-Marie, in GB-Ob ms. G.617 there seems to be one Prelude de Gautier de P, p. 120-121, in A minor. Peter S's pages say it is V. Gaultier. Isn't the P for Paris? All the best, Arto On 15/11/12 12:44, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: Thank you Andreas, Bernd and Peter for your answers. I will be looking forward to F.-P. Goy's book on Gaultier's works... So far it seems to confirm my impression that there is no extant prelude by Vieux Gaultier, which seems incredible but... Probably some of his preludes are hidden among anonymous pieces as in Oxford G 618 where an unattributed Prelude appears in the midst of a series of pieces by Vieux Gaultier... I will have to choose among those unattributed Preludes to serve as an introductory piece for suites by old Ennemond ;-) ! Thanks to all and if you discover something about that mystery please don't hesitate to share ! All the best, Jean-Marie = == En réponse au message du 14-11-2012, 18:19:54 == Dear infallible Collective Wisdom ;-), Would anyone be aware of Prelude(s) by Vieux Gaultier (Ennemond). My CNRS old edition doesn't have any... If you know of the existence of such pieces, could you cite the sources where they may be found, please? Thank you in advance for your unremitting generous help, All the best, Jean-Marie Poirier To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] The famous de Visee Chaconne as lute version
Hi again dear pluckers, I just tried to play my version ofthe famous Chaconne to theorbo arranged to baroque lute. Possibly by the composer himself? Or not by him? Who knows... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYUfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/53172045 I know the theorbo version - great piece. But is there a version to baroque guitar, too? It would be nice to hear also that! Best, Arto Still another de Visee, kind of bagpipe simulation (just remembering my Scottish set ;-) Robert de Visee: La Muzette in A major and A minor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx382Lb2djwfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/52755172 Below the earlier... Arto Robert de Visee: Pastoralle in F# minor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI7z6tOU_2Qfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/51821674 Robert de Visee: La Montfermeil, Rondeau in A minor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZpGmZaP1u8feature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/52176020 Robert de Visee: Gavotte in F# minor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VlBbuW22zYfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/52292492 Best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: density of carbon and nylon
Nylon 1000 Kg / m3 Carbon 1791 Kg / m3 Arto On 03/11/12 09:01, Herbert Ward wrote: Does anyone have numbers for the density of nylon and the density of carbon? Or, equivalently, a chart showing diameter x in nylon = diameter y in carbon? I used Google for several minutes, but did not find anything. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: density of carbon and nylon
I made a test: I put a piece of an old rectified Pyramid 0.70 nylon string to water, and it sank, slowly but sank anyhow. So it is heavier than water, and thus it must weight more than my 1000 Kg/m3. But I have always calculated with 1000, and shall do so in the future, too... ;-) Arto On 03/11/12 10:15, David van Ooijen wrote: To add to the confusion, this is what I have: Gut 1360 kg/m3 Nylon 1140 kg/m3 Carbon ca 1800 kg/m3 On 3 November 2012 08:38, Arto Wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi wrote: Nylon 1000 Kg / m3 Carbon 1791 Kg / m3 Arto On 03/11/12 09:01, Herbert Ward wrote: Does anyone have numbers for the density of nylon and the density of carbon? Or, equivalently, a chart showing diameter x in nylon = diameter y in carbon? I used Google for several minutes, but did not find anything. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] From Scotland back to France ...
... and then F# minor again: Robert de Visee: Gavotte in F# minor [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VlBbuW22zYfeature=youtu.be [2]http://vimeo.com/52292492 best, Arto On 25/10/12 23:03, Arto Wikla wrote: ... and then my 2nd try of La Montfermeil, Rondeau by de Visee: [1][3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZpGmZaP1u8feature=youtu.be [2][4]http://vimeo.com/52176020 best, Arto On 20/10/12 22:50, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear baroque lutenists, after having played some Scottish lute music I came back to France to the court of Louis XIV in F# minor: Robert de Visee: Pastoralle in F# minor [3][5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI7z6tOU_2Qfeature=youtu.be [4][6]http://vimeo.com/51821674 Best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at [5][7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZpGmZaP1u8feature=youtu.be 2. [9]http://vimeo.com/52176020 3. [10]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI7z6tOU_2Qfeature=youtu.be 4. [11]http://vimeo.com/51821674 5. [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VlBbuW22zYfeature=youtu.be 2. http://vimeo.com/52292492 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZpGmZaP1u8feature=youtu.be 4. http://vimeo.com/52176020 5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI7z6tOU_2Qfeature=youtu.be 6. http://vimeo.com/51821674 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZpGmZaP1u8feature=youtu.be 9. http://vimeo.com/52176020 10. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI7z6tOU_2Qfeature=youtu.be 11. http://vimeo.com/51821674 12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Vienna lute music 1672
Beautiful! Thank you Bernhard! Arto PS What is Peter Steur's code for this ms.? PS2 Can the pdf be found somewhere? On 24/10/12 11:49, Bernhard Fischer wrote: Dear lute friends, The Austrian National Library owns a baroque lute manuscript hand-written by the composer Johann Gotthard Peyer. From 1672 to 1678 Johann Gotthard Peyer was chaplain of the Imperial Court's orchestra in Vienna/Austria. According to records his annual salary was 200 Gulden. His baroque lute tabulature is attributed to Leopold I (1640 - 1705), Holy Roman Emperor, King of Hungary and King of Bohemia as we can read from the title page in Latin language Lesus testudine tenoris gallici teutonico laboretextus. Quem: Augustissimo ac Inuictissimo Romanorum Imperatori Leopoldo :I: Hungariae Boehmiaeque Regi, Archidci Austrae ec.ec. Apillini ac Domino suo Clementissimo. In submississimae Deuotiotionis argumentum. Concinnauit ac humillime dedicauit Infumus Vasalus. Joannes Gotthardus Peyer: SS: Thlgae sac: Canonumque candidatus Presbyter. From this inscription it is clear that Peyer presented his music in person to Leopold I. As good as possible in my study room I recorded first time the Allemande, the Sarabande and the Caprize in d-minor from the manuscript. Combined video: [1]http://youtu.be/UvPcoPCuObg Single video Allemande: [2]http://youtu.be/5jc-2l_-tFs Single video Sarabande: [3]http://youtu.be/WaRSIq14pso Single video Caprize: [4]http://youtu.be/CtnrCEmJ5Tg I appreciate your comments, critics and suggestions. Bernhard - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - Dilettante de la musique pour le luth Tel.: +43-664-1432919 Fax.: +43-1-25330337795 Mail: [5]fischer...@aon.at -- References 1. http://youtu.be/UvPcoPCuObg 2. http://youtu.be/5jc-2l_-tFs 3. http://youtu.be/WaRSIq14pso 4. http://youtu.be/CtnrCEmJ5Tg 5. mailto:fischer...@aon.at To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] From Scotland back to France ...
... and then my 2nd try of La Montfermeil, Rondeau by de Visee: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZpGmZaP1u8feature=youtu.be [2]http://vimeo.com/52176020 best, Arto On 20/10/12 22:50, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear baroque lutenists, after having played some Scottish lute music I came back to France to the court of Louis XIV in F# minor: Robert de Visee: Pastoralle in F# minor [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI7z6tOU_2Qfeature=youtu.be [4]http://vimeo.com/51821674 Best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZpGmZaP1u8feature=youtu.be 2. http://vimeo.com/52176020 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI7z6tOU_2Qfeature=youtu.be 4. http://vimeo.com/51821674 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chitarrone
And you can find Bob's article on-line in http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/spencer/html/ Arto On 17/10/12 11:07, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Actually it seems more likely that both instruments were named after the ancient 'kithara' used by classical Greek poets to accompany their recitations and, like so much renaissance thinking, seems to have been a concious attempt to recapture something of the glories (as they saw it) of the ancient world. See Bob Spencer's article in Early Music Oct 1976. MH --- On Wed, 17/10/12, r.turov...@gmail.com r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: From: r.turov...@gmail.com r.turov...@gmail.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone To: Bruno Correia bruno.l...@gmail.com Cc: List LUTELIST lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 2:59 The Grove chitarrone info is outdated. It is a large CHITARRA ITALIANA. See Renato Meucci's article apropos. RT On 10/16/2012 9:11 PM, Bruno Correia wrote: The Grove Dictionaire says about the chitarrone: The type of lute denoted by this humanist, classicizing term (chitarrone means, literally, a large kithara) was associated particularly with Jacopo Peri, Giulio Caccini and the other early writers of monody from the 1590s until about 1630. Has anybody challenged this etymology? Wouldn't be safe to say it simply derived from the chitarra (guitar)? Is was developed in the first place to acompany, playing chordally from a contino line, just as the 5 course guitar would do, though without the struming technique. The solo repertoire that came later looks very close to the guitar writing: chords a little counterpoint, arpeggios, slurs, campanellas efect e so on... -- Bruno Correia Pesquisador autonomo da pratica e interpretac,ao historicamente informada no alaude e teorba. Doutor em Praticas Interpretativas pela Universidade Federal do Estado do Rio de Janeiro. -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Devo's gige, by mr. Beck
.. I could not resist --- as I told, addictive it is ... ;-) Devo's gige, by mr. Beck http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81ohrvaneF4feature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/51355922 All the best, Arto Dear lutenists, I already decided to come back to the Continental lute repertoire, but couldn't yet... ;) In many years I tried to understand the Scottish lute music, but could not - it just looked like some aleatoric computer generated random stuff. But for some reason or another I happened to take another look to the Balcarres ms. about 1.5 moths ago, and I was hooked... I suppose and accept that my playing probably is not acceptable at all by the really hard core Scottish musicians, but anyhow to me this has been very interesting and happy journey to the Scottish mentality - which by the way doesn't seem to be so very far off from the Finnish type of melancholy... Today I tried the Tarphicken, mr. Beck's way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7q4N6lVOAMfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/51302185 Best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Who or what was is this Devo?
Who or what could that Devo in the Balcarres ms. be? Matthew Spring doesn't give any explanation in his great analysis of the ms. Could it be the Devil himself? Or perhaps some Scottish family or person? Or perhaps just only some reference to nature or to some everyday item? Arto On 13/10/12 22:30, Arto Wikla wrote: .. I could not resist --- as I told, addictive it is ... ;-) Devo's gige, by mr. Beck http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81ohrvaneF4feature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/51355922 All the best, Arto Dear lutenists, I already decided to come back to the Continental lute repertoire, but couldn't yet... ;) In many years I tried to understand the Scottish lute music, but could not - it just looked like some aleatoric computer generated random stuff. But for some reason or another I happened to take another look to the Balcarres ms. about 1.5 moths ago, and I was hooked... I suppose and accept that my playing probably is not acceptable at all by the really hard core Scottish musicians, but anyhow to me this has been very interesting and happy journey to the Scottish mentality - which by the way doesn't seem to be so very far off from the Finnish type of melancholy... Today I tried the Tarphicken, mr. Beck's way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7q4N6lVOAMfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/51302185 Best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Well, the Balcarres ms. really is addictive!
Dear lutenists, I already decided to come back to the Continental lute repertoire, but couldn't yet... ;) In many years I tried to understand the Scottish lute music, but could not - it just looked like some aleatoric computer generated random stuff. But for some reason or another I happened to take another look to the Balcarres ms. about 1.5 moths ago, and I was hooked... I suppose and accept that my playing probably is not acceptable at all by the really hard core Scottish musicians, but anyhow to me this has been very interesting and happy journey to the Scottish mentality - which by the way doesn't seem to be so very far off from the Finnish type of melancholy... Today I tried the Tarphicken, mr. Beck's way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7q4N6lVOAMfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/51302185 Best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Lute setting of the sad and even political Gilderoy ballad
Dear all, delete immediately, if you are not interested in my tubings... ;) So you who did not delete: This evening I tried to play one solo lute version of the famous Gilderoy ballad. The text actually seems to be quite politic - commenting the very strict English law of the safe of the property, instead of the safe of the human life, which was brought to Scotland by the southern power. The song is anyhow, a love song. I added also the text of verses 1, 7 and 8 to my tubing. You can find all of the text in http://digital.nls.uk/broadsides/broadside.cfm/id/15859 My modest version is in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ2hXggEt88feature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/50845390 All the best, Arto On 03/10/12 22:15, Arto Wikla wrote: On 01/10/12 21:55, Arto Wikla wrote: Hi all, After the Paunges of a desperate lover, Mr. McLaughland's way, by mr. Beck (ms. Balcarres 187) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PO3whJQX6gfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/50701736 Does this paunges mean pangs? So some kind of pains or sorrows? Arto Dear lutenists, I happened to meet one melody in the Balcarres' ms., which I know I know from the times of my early student years - it was actually a recorded example in the appendix record of one VERY early book about computer music (!). The piece was called with a name that was somehow connected to a Scottish military march; I cannot remember the actual name... Anyhow that same melody is in the Balcarres ms., number 186: The canaries, the new way, in Mr. McLaughlan's fashion, by mr. Beck. The beginning of the piece is actually march-like, while only the end is in 3! What makes me wonder, is that Matthew Spring in his wonderful edition doesn't give any hint of this piece being a song or some kind of Scottish march. My todays y-tubing and vimeoing of this 186 is in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBm6T7Uq5ccfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/50544077 All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Paunges(?) of a desperate lover... what is this paunges?
On 01/10/12 21:55, Arto Wikla wrote: Hi all, After the Paunges of a desperate lover, Mr. McLaughland's way, by mr. Beck (ms. Balcarres 187) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PO3whJQX6gfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/50701736 Does this paunges mean pangs? So some kind of pains or sorrows? Arto Dear lutenists, I happened to meet one melody in the Balcarres' ms., which I know I know from the times of my early student years - it was actually a recorded example in the appendix record of one VERY early book about computer music (!). The piece was called with a name that was somehow connected to a Scottish military march; I cannot remember the actual name... Anyhow that same melody is in the Balcarres ms., number 186: The canaries, the new way, in Mr. McLaughlan's fashion, by mr. Beck. The beginning of the piece is actually march-like, while only the end is in 3! What makes me wonder, is that Matthew Spring in his wonderful edition doesn't give any hint of this piece being a song or some kind of Scottish march. My todays y-tubing and vimeoing of this 186 is in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBm6T7Uq5ccfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/50544077 All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] What is this Scottish(?) melody in ms. Balcarres?
Dear lutenists, I happened to meet one melody in the Balcarres' ms., which I know I know from the times of my early student years - it was actually a recorded example in the appendix record of one VERY early book about computer music (!). The piece was called with a name that was somehow connected to a Scottish military march; I cannot remember the actual name... Anyhow that same melody is in the Balcarres ms., number 186: The canaries, the new way, in Mr. McLaughlan's fashion, by mr. Beck. The beginning of the piece is actually march-like, while only the end is in 3! What makes me wonder, is that Matthew Spring in his wonderful edition doesn't give any hint of this piece being a song or some kind of Scottish march. My todays y-tubing and vimeoing of this 186 is in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBm6T7Uq5ccfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/50544077 All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] There is something unique in the way the Scots adopted the lute
Dear lutenists, as my subject says, there really is something unique in the way the Scots adopted the lute. Already in the times of the vieil accord, the renaissance tuning, the Scots used the lute in playing their own songs and melodies - in modern terms playing the folk music. And that practise continued to the baroque times, perhaps even later. As far as I know, no other nation or ethnic group ever so strongly used the lute in playing their own traditional music. Well, this is just my experience, no real research here... Anyhow, I hope you do not condemn my tiny efforts of trying to understand that special phenomenon, and especially my postings of the links to my (foreign to Scots) efforts to play examples of that music. Now I started to try to get an idea of the pieces in ms. Balcarres that are in Jean More's way, by Mr. Beck. The first one is Over the moore, to Katie, Jean More's way, by mr. Beck (ms. Balcarres 195) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGaE5AF4uv4feature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/50387193 Best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Pantaloon(=Bergamasca) ends my tiny D. Grieve project
Dear lutenists, I end my tiny project of trying to understand David Grieve (of the ms. Balcarres) by Grieve's version of the most famous Bergamasca jam session chord progression of the renaissance and baroque. The man clearly seems to have his own style among the musicians/composers of the Balcarres ms.! Not much seems to be known of David Grieve; in his wonderful edition of the ms., even Matthew Spring does not tell much about our David (see The Music of Scotland, Volume 2, The Universities of Glasgow and Aberdeen, 2010). Does anyone here happen to know anything more of this enigmatic musician, composer and lutenist? And some of the Grieve-pieces in the ms. are marked by David Grieve, some are David Grieve's way. Could the latter perhaps be settings written by the dominating writer of the ms., the also quite enigmatic Mr. Beck? Links to my tiny efforts - 7 pieces - are below - one piece actually is anonymous, but the piece before Amarillis is by Grieve, on the other hand, the next one is by Master Lesslie... Then something else, ..., perhaps Balcarres settings of the mysic by Mr. McLaughland? :-) All the best Arto Pantaloon, by David Grieve http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5ldLVTkP-Yfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/50153754 Amarillis (by an anonymous composer) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGyKh1GV5SIfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/50013553 Amarillis, told her swanne, David Grieve's way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wPamsat59Efeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/49974431 The touching of the strings, David Grieve's way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro0mY_wUwwAfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/49927107 The Lady Errols delight, the 2nd way, by David Grieve http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d-KkdCwOSgfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/49778004 Saraband, by David Grieve http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5Hi37JST_4feature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/49465762 From the fair Lavinion shoar, David Grieve's way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdIYivEF5E8feature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/49398999 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Le théorbe progressif de Helstroffer
Strange, crazy, weird, odd, freak, ..., but interesting! Thanks for the link, Bernd! :-) Arto On 24/09/12 19:51, Bernd Haegemann wrote: So, it seems that the theorbo is the Brahms of the instruments? http://sites.radiofrance.fr/francemusique/em/matin-musiciens_lundi/emission.php?e_id=6542 time to practice your latin - modern version though ;-) best regards Bernd To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Just a plain Amarillis
Sorry for flooding, ..., but it just is so inspiring to try to understand a style that is new to you... This time I tried an Amarillis by an anonymous composer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGyKh1GV5SIfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/50013553 Arto On 22/09/12 21:23, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear lutenists, ..., you know where is the delete button ... :-) Today still more Scottish lute: Amarillis, told her swanne, David Grieve's way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wPamsat59Efeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/49974431 This is a simple song setting by D. Grieve. It is interesting, how the modal harmonies and melodies still creep in here and there to the otherwise quite continental texture. Perhaps still some Grieve, and then maybe I dare to go to the very heavy stuff marked Mr. McLachland's way by Mr. Beck in Balcarres ms.? All the best, Arto On 21/09/12 20:55, Arto Wikla wrote: Well, in case there is some interest ... ;-) Also David Grieve wrote his Tastar de corde: The touching of the strings, David Grieve's way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro0mY_wUwwAfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/49927107 Best, Arro On 19/09/12 21:23, Arto Wikla wrote: Just in case someone is interested... The Lady Errols delight, the 2nd way, by David Grieve http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d-KkdCwOSgfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/49778004 Best, Arto On 14/09/12 20:50, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear lutenists, if my flooding hurts, just delete ... ;-) The very unknown David Grieve in the Balcarres ms. clearly was familiar also with the central European style. Today I tried a Saraband: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5Hi37JST_4feature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/49465762 Best, Arto On 13/09/12 22:55, Arto Wikla wrote: Well, I tried one much more well behaving Balcarres piece: ;-) From the fair Lavinion shoar, David Grieve's way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdIYivEF5E8feature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/49398999 Arto On 08/09/12 21:50, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear lutenists of both Lists, I have been trying to understand the Scottish music to baroque lute - very interesting combination of pentatonic Celtic music and some elements French baroque lute music. One interesting difficulty has been to make my fingers believe that they really have to play the pentatonic scales; they just are _so_ used to the normal major and minor scales that they just want to go that way, without obeying my orders ... ;-) My latest Mr. Beck of ms. Balcarres was I serve a worthie lady, master Beck's way, to me up to now the most hard core Celtic piece. Below is the list of my tiny project: I serve a worthie lady, master Beck's way (ms. Balcarres 54) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vqMp9y9C_Qfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/49075769 A new Scot's Measure, mr. Beck's way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC_PbRtUeQcfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48958726 Over the Dyke, and kisse her ladie, mr. Beck's way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVnkBa1hdQcfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48826023 The black ewe, by mr. Beck (ms. Balcarres 76) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7cy1eEKXUMfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48698296 Rothymay's lilt, mr. Beck's way (ms. Balcarres 73) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2e8-YP9bgAfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48655228 Joy to the Person of my love, mr. Beck's way (ms. Balcarres 59) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h3B6kimdNIfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48612640 Best, Arto PS I guess I am mainly writing just to myself... ;-) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Amarillis, told her swanne, David Grieve's way
Dear lutenists, ..., you know where is the delete button ... :-) Today still more Scottish lute: Amarillis, told her swanne, David Grieve's way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wPamsat59Efeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/49974431 This is a simple song setting by D. Grieve. It is interesting, how the modal harmonies and melodies still creep in here and there to the otherwise quite continental texture. Perhaps still some Grieve, and then maybe I dare to go to the very heavy stuff marked Mr. McLachland's way by Mr. Beck in Balcarres ms.? All the best, Arto On 21/09/12 20:55, Arto Wikla wrote: Well, in case there is some interest ... ;-) Also David Grieve wrote his Tastar de corde: The touching of the strings, David Grieve's way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro0mY_wUwwAfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/49927107 Best, Arro On 19/09/12 21:23, Arto Wikla wrote: Just in case someone is interested... The Lady Errols delight, the 2nd way, by David Grieve http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d-KkdCwOSgfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/49778004 Best, Arto On 14/09/12 20:50, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear lutenists, if my flooding hurts, just delete ... ;-) The very unknown David Grieve in the Balcarres ms. clearly was familiar also with the central European style. Today I tried a Saraband: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5Hi37JST_4feature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/49465762 Best, Arto On 13/09/12 22:55, Arto Wikla wrote: Well, I tried one much more well behaving Balcarres piece: ;-) From the fair Lavinion shoar, David Grieve's way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdIYivEF5E8feature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/49398999 Arto On 08/09/12 21:50, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear lutenists of both Lists, I have been trying to understand the Scottish music to baroque lute - very interesting combination of pentatonic Celtic music and some elements French baroque lute music. One interesting difficulty has been to make my fingers believe that they really have to play the pentatonic scales; they just are _so_ used to the normal major and minor scales that they just want to go that way, without obeying my orders ... ;-) My latest Mr. Beck of ms. Balcarres was I serve a worthie lady, master Beck's way, to me up to now the most hard core Celtic piece. Below is the list of my tiny project: I serve a worthie lady, master Beck's way (ms. Balcarres 54) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vqMp9y9C_Qfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/49075769 A new Scot's Measure, mr. Beck's way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC_PbRtUeQcfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48958726 Over the Dyke, and kisse her ladie, mr. Beck's way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVnkBa1hdQcfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48826023 The black ewe, by mr. Beck (ms. Balcarres 76) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7cy1eEKXUMfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48698296 Rothymay's lilt, mr. Beck's way (ms. Balcarres 73) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2e8-YP9bgAfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48655228 Joy to the Person of my love, mr. Beck's way (ms. Balcarres 59) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h3B6kimdNIfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48612640 Best, Arto PS I guess I am mainly writing just to myself... ;-) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] David Grieve of Balcarres knew ALSO the Scottish style ... ;)
Just in case someone is interested... The Lady Errols delight, the 2nd way, by David Grieve http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d-KkdCwOSgfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/49778004 Best, Arto On 14/09/12 20:50, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear lutenists, if my flooding hurts, just delete ... ;-) The very unknown David Grieve in the Balcarres ms. clearly was familiar also with the central European style. Today I tried a Saraband: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5Hi37JST_4feature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/49465762 Best, Arto On 13/09/12 22:55, Arto Wikla wrote: Well, I tried one much more well behaving Balcarres piece: ;-) From the fair Lavinion shoar, David Grieve's way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdIYivEF5E8feature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/49398999 Arto On 08/09/12 21:50, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear lutenists of both Lists, I have been trying to understand the Scottish music to baroque lute - very interesting combination of pentatonic Celtic music and some elements French baroque lute music. One interesting difficulty has been to make my fingers believe that they really have to play the pentatonic scales; they just are _so_ used to the normal major and minor scales that they just want to go that way, without obeying my orders ... ;-) My latest Mr. Beck of ms. Balcarres was I serve a worthie lady, master Beck's way, to me up to now the most hard core Celtic piece. Below is the list of my tiny project: I serve a worthie lady, master Beck's way (ms. Balcarres 54) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vqMp9y9C_Qfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/49075769 A new Scot's Measure, mr. Beck's way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC_PbRtUeQcfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48958726 Over the Dyke, and kisse her ladie, mr. Beck's way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVnkBa1hdQcfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48826023 The black ewe, by mr. Beck (ms. Balcarres 76) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7cy1eEKXUMfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48698296 Rothymay's lilt, mr. Beck's way (ms. Balcarres 73) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2e8-YP9bgAfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48655228 Joy to the Person of my love, mr. Beck's way (ms. Balcarres 59) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h3B6kimdNIfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48612640 Best, Arto PS I guess I am mainly writing just to myself... ;-) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Fingers, pentatonic, Balcarres and Mr. Beck ...
Well, I tried one much more well behaving Balcarres piece: ;-) From the fair Lavinion shoar, David Grieve's way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdIYivEF5E8feature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/49398999 Arto On 08/09/12 21:50, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear lutenists of both Lists, I have been trying to understand the Scottish music to baroque lute - very interesting combination of pentatonic Celtic music and some elements French baroque lute music. One interesting difficulty has been to make my fingers believe that they really have to play the pentatonic scales; they just are _so_ used to the normal major and minor scales that they just want to go that way, without obeying my orders ... ;-) My latest Mr. Beck of ms. Balcarres was I serve a worthie lady, master Beck's way, to me up to now the most hard core Celtic piece. Below is the list of my tiny project: I serve a worthie lady, master Beck's way (ms. Balcarres 54) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vqMp9y9C_Qfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/49075769 A new Scot's Measure, mr. Beck's way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC_PbRtUeQcfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48958726 Over the Dyke, and kisse her ladie, mr. Beck's way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVnkBa1hdQcfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48826023 The black ewe, by mr. Beck (ms. Balcarres 76) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7cy1eEKXUMfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48698296 Rothymay's lilt, mr. Beck's way (ms. Balcarres 73) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2e8-YP9bgAfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48655228 Joy to the Person of my love, mr. Beck's way (ms. Balcarres 59) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h3B6kimdNIfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48612640 Best, Arto PS I guess I am mainly writing just to myself... ;-) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Consort Suggestions Please
What about early Italian baroque? There are Canzone etc. also for 3 voices and continuo. Frescobaldi et co. Renaissance lute is very useful in continuo, too. And also HIP in this repertoire. Best, Arto On 09/09/12 20:12, t...@heartistrymusic.com wrote: I have some friends who have had a recorder ensemble for many years. Formerly 4 players. They lost one of their main players some years ago, and they would like to re-group as a trio with me playing Renaissance lute. They inherited a fine collection of Renaissance and Baroque recorders, in all sizes including Bass, crumhorns, zincs, and even a sakpipa and a cornemuse from the founder of the ensemble. Does anybody have suggestions for composers and / or specific pieces that would fit well with 3 recorders, etc. and lute? Dowland's Lachrimae, perhaps? (I know that's 5 parts - but ... leave one out maybe ... ? ) Thanks in advance, Tom Tom Draughon Heartistry Music http://www.heartistrymusic.com/artists/tom.html 714 9th Avenue West Ashland, WI 54806 715-682-9362 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Over the Dyke, and kisse her ladie, mr. Beck's way
Well, I did not know the modern meaning of that title, neither Mr. Beck, I suppose. Isn't the old meaning something like Over the stone wall (or dam?), and kiss her laddie? I btw seem to become addicted to the Scottish baroque! Now something that certainly is PC: A new Scot's Measure, mr. Beck's way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC_PbRtUeQcfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48958726 All the best, Arto On 06/09/12 04:07, t...@heartistrymusic.com wrote: That title isn't quite PC these days, is it ... ? Tom .. well, more Balcarres ... the piece is beautiful. Could of course be played more cleanly. Just in case somebody is interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVnkBa1hdQcfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48826023 Best, Arto On 02/09/12 21:55, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear lutenists, my weekend project was to play some Scottish, Celtic sounding small pieces by Mr. Beck of the Balcarres manuscript. In a way mostly the music is not technically very difficult, but on the other hand, musically it certainly is not easy! In case someone is interested, the three pieces of my weekend are Joy to the Person of my love, mr. Beck's way (ms. Balcarres 59) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h3B6kimdNIfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48612640 Rothymay's lilt, mr. Beck's way (ms. Balcarres 73) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2e8-YP9bgAfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48655228 The black ewe, by mr. Beck (ms. Balcarres 76) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7cy1eEKXUMfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48698296 The period and place are very interesting: little by little the tonality is creeping into the modal, and even more or less pentatonic music! That was a fruitful mixture! All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Tom Draughon Heartistry Music http://www.heartistrymusic.com/artists/tom.html 714 9th Avenue West Ashland, WI 54806 715-682-9362
[LUTE] Over the Dyke, and kisse her ladie, mr. Beck's way
.. well, more Balcarres ... the piece is beautiful. Could of course be played more cleanly. Just in case somebody is interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVnkBa1hdQcfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48826023 Best, Arto On 02/09/12 21:55, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear lutenists, my weekend project was to play some Scottish, Celtic sounding small pieces by Mr. Beck of the Balcarres manuscript. In a way mostly the music is not technically very difficult, but on the other hand, musically it certainly is not easy! In case someone is interested, the three pieces of my weekend are Joy to the Person of my love, mr. Beck's way (ms. Balcarres 59) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h3B6kimdNIfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48612640 Rothymay's lilt, mr. Beck's way (ms. Balcarres 73) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2e8-YP9bgAfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48655228 The black ewe, by mr. Beck (ms. Balcarres 76) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7cy1eEKXUMfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48698296 The period and place are very interesting: little by little the tonality is creeping into the modal, and even more or less pentatonic music! That was a fruitful mixture! All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Balcarres: so easy and so difficult
Dear lutenists, my weekend project was to play some Scottish, Celtic sounding small pieces by Mr. Beck of the Balcarres manuscript. In a way mostly the music is not technically very difficult, but on the other hand, musically it certainly is not easy! In case someone is interested, the three pieces of my weekend are Joy to the Person of my love, mr. Beck's way (ms. Balcarres 59) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h3B6kimdNIfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48612640 Rothymay's lilt, mr. Beck's way (ms. Balcarres 73) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2e8-YP9bgAfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48655228 The black ewe, by mr. Beck (ms. Balcarres 76) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7cy1eEKXUMfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/48698296 The period and place are very interesting: little by little the tonality is creeping into the modal, and even more or less pentatonic music! That was a fruitful mixture! All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] More Celtic baroque from Scotland
Another Scottish piece, Rothymay's lilt, mr. Beck's way [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2e8-YP9bgAfeature=youtu.be [2]http://vimeo.com/48655228 This period/place is very interesting: little by little the tonality is creeping in to the modal, and even pentatonic music. Fruitful mixture! Best, Arto On 31/08/12 22:05, Arto Wikla wrote: Hi all I tried to play a piece of the ms. Balcarres, the Joy to the Person of my love, mr. Beck's way: [1][3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h3B6kimdNIfeature=youtu.be [2][4]http://vimeo.com/48612640 This style and genre is in a way not too difficult, but in another way very d ifficult!! All the best, Arto -- -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2e8-YP9bgAfeature=youtu.be 2. http://vimeo.com/48655228 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h3B6kimdNIfeature=youtu.be 4. http://vimeo.com/48612640 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: instrumental air de cours
Beautiful, thanks David! Arto On 30/08/12 13:52, David van Ooijen wrote: For a cd recording I made earlier this year, I needed an instrumental version of the beautiful air de cour Cessez mortels de souspirer by Pierre Guédron. I am sure I am not the only one who makes such arrangements, but still I'd like to share the result with you, as I think these arrangements make attractive pieces to play. I've just recorded and uploaded my home version with no singer in sight: http://youtu.be/a5pq9xEpueI If you want to have a go yourself, I've uploaded the pdf to the Sheet music section of my website. enjoy! David PS: Yes, it's a kabuki hairstyle peeping up from behind the lute. ;-) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Dowland
Very beautiful Lady Layton's Almain. Thank you Magdalena! Arto On 18/08/12 19:44, MAGDALENA TOMSINSKA wrote: Dear all, this Summer with Collegium Vocale Bydgoszcz I recorded a CD dedicated to John Dowland's music. If you are interested - please look here: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rEiWtkE5T0 and here (lute solo) [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjL0qS465WQ The whole CD soon will be on the web page of the Collegium Vocale Bydgoszcz ([3]http://collegiumvocale.bydgoszcz.pl/), free to download. They sing wonderfully, in 4-parts harmony, some songs are with lute (Magdalena Tomsinska) and viola da gamba (Marcin Zalewski) accompaniament, some are a capella. Lute solos include Dowland's miniatures: Praeludium, Lady Laiton's Almain, Lady Hunsdon's Almain, Tarleton's Jig and Mr.Dowland's Midnight. By the way - on the same web page [4]http://collegiumvocale.bydgoszcz.pl/ you can also find an older CD called Chansons, with few French lute solos by Attaignant and Le Roy, free to download or just to listen. Very nice selection of French Chansons, beautifully performed. Enjoy! Magdalena Tomsinska -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rEiWtkE5T0 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjL0qS465WQ 3. http://collegiumvocale.bydgoszcz.pl/ 4. http://collegiumvocale.bydgoszcz.pl/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] ... just photos ... so very OT ...
.. well, somebody urged me ... Staircase to heaven: https://picasaweb.google.com/114782807109183620580/StaircaseToHeavenAug72012 Saturday afternoon fever: https://picasaweb.google.com/114782807109183620580/SaturdayAfternoonFeverAug42012 more or less abstract stuff as is our music ... ;) all best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Aegidius MS?
Thanks for that Bernd! I had to play one tiny little Aria by the famous Anon.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TuocWhQnMEfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/47030859 (vimeo version will be there in 10 minutes) There is lots of good and interesting music in this ms! All the best, Arto On 06/08/12 12:55, b...@symbol4.de wrote: I uploaded the IV.E.36 to facilitate your scientific and artistic work. The link will cease to exist if no download is executed in a 30 day period. I don't have IV.G.18. , unfortunately ;-) - and also Peter Steur doesn't, as it seems from the absence of the ms in his glorious database. best regards Bernd - As you point out, this link accesses IV.E.36 only. Is there a link for IV. G. 18? MH --- On Mon, 6/8/12, Taco Walstra wals...@science.uva.nl wrote: From: Taco Walstra wals...@science.uva.nl Subject: [LUTE] Re: Aegidius MS? To: Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de Cc: 'Lute List' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 6 August, 2012, 7:33 On 08/04/2012 11:38 PM, Bernd Haegemann wrote: Thanks for the link. Very interesting source and also quality music! Also contains baroque lute music by what I presume is Weiss (Veiss) at the end. cheers Taco Am 04.08.2012 22:07, schrieb Mathias Roesel: foreigners. There are two mss. from Prague I should love to see, viz. IV.G.18 and the other is IV.E.36 (Gelinek). Anyone? For the latter have a look here [1][1]http://dl.free.fr/gXZ1EPMxM a .pdf of a print of a microfilm of a fax or so, but nevertheless.. ;-) best regards Bernd To get on or off this list see list information at [2][2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- -- References 1. [3]http://dl.free.fr/gXZ1EPMxM 2. [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://dl.free.fr/gXZ1EPMxM 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. http://dl.free.fr/gXZ1EPMxM 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] My 3rd Dubut ... ;-)
.. and a charming(?) Chaconne: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CGi0bSx8lMfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/45459264 Possible merits to Dubut, obvious faults to me ... :) Arto On 05/07/12 22:33, Arto Wikla wrote: .. another Dubut, a Sarabande:;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2oxieqoM6Ifeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/45257093 Seems to be interesting composer! Arto On 04/07/12 20:26, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear b-lutenists, my first try to Pierre Dubut's (fils?) music is Gavotte(?) La Bergenorette, The Wagtail: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km--kfnyXzYfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/45197590 Pierre seems to be an interesting and melodic composer. Little by little I start to understand, how different composers and styles there are even in the very hard core of the French baroque lute music! Best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: My 3rd Dubut ... ;-)
... perhaps one - kind of cute - baroque Chaconne intersts also our
only the vieil accord (= renaissance lute) oriented lutenists? If
so, just take a look to:
[1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v,Gi0bSx8lMfeature=youtu.be
[2]http://vimeo.com/45459264
Not too polished, though - as seems to be the norm in my case ... ;-)
Best,
Arto
Original Message
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] My 3rd Dubut ... ;-)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 23:12:27 +0300
From: Arto Wikla [3]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
To: [4]baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu [5]baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu
. and a charming(?) Chaconne:
[6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v,Gi0bSx8lMfeature=youtu.be
[7]http://vimeo.com/45459264
Possible merits to Dubut, obvious faults to me ... :)
Arto
On 05/07/12 22:33, Arto Wikla wrote:
.. another Dubut, a Sarabande:;-)
[8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2oxieqoM6Ifeature=youtu.be
[9]http://vimeo.com/45257093
Seems to be interesting composer!
Arto
On 04/07/12 20:26, Arto Wikla wrote:
Dear b-lutenists,
my first try to Pierre Dubut's (fils?) music is Gavotte(?) La
Bergenorette, The Wagtail:
[10]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km--kfnyXzYfeature=youtu.be
[11]http://vimeo.com/45197590
Pierre seems to be an interesting and melodic composer. Little by
little I start to understand, how different composers and styles
there are even in the very hard core of the French baroque lute music!
Best,
Arto
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References
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v,Gi0bSx8lMfeature=youtu.be
2. http://vimeo.com/45459264
3. mailto:wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
4. mailto:baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu
5. mailto:baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu
6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v,Gi0bSx8lMfeature=youtu.be
7. http://vimeo.com/45459264
8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2oxieqoM6Ifeature=youtu.be
9. http://vimeo.com/45257093
10. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km--kfnyXzYfeature=youtu.be
11. http://vimeo.com/45197590
12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: First touch to Dubut, The Wagtail
.. another Dubut, a Sarabande:;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2oxieqoM6Ifeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/45257093 Seems to be interesting composer! Arto On 04/07/12 20:26, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear b-lutenists, my first try to Pierre Dubut's (fils?) music is Gavotte(?) La Bergenorette, The Wagtail: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km--kfnyXzYfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/45197590 Pierre seems to be an interesting and melodic composer. Little by little I start to understand, how different composers and styles there are even in the very hard core of the French baroque lute music! Best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tuning
Ron, I love your comment on this subject! :-) Arto On 25/06/12 16:13, Ron Andrico wrote: I have to say, I'm always amused by these discussions that broadly outline the imprint of theoretical measurements on the phenomenon of sound. If we look at all the factors, including thickness and stiffness of string material, variability in trueness of dimension, interference of temperature and humidity (and probably barometric pressure) on the transmission of sound, proximate acoustical deflections, damping caused by skin oils, distortion caused by finger pressure, variability caused by thickness of fret material, wave interference from nut, bridge, soundboard materials, etc. Then there is the phenomenon that different ears hear the pitch differently. Where do we stop? I say train your ears and tune to the best of your ability. RA Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 13:24:40 +0100 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: akbut...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tuning with apologies to those who aren't interested ;-) For a plucked instrument the finger on the node is removed from the string just after the pluck. (otherwise the sound is damped) Indeed, having sharp harmonics is a property of all strings outside the physics lesson, as any piano tuner knows. Also, if you use an oscilloscope to view the waveform, and hit the harmonic partially so that some of the fundamental also sounds, you can see the waveform of the harmonic moving against that of the fundamental. For a bowed instrument, I suspect the harmonics are in tune as long as the bow is driving the string. andy Philip Brown wrote: That may be true, but a more obvious cause would be that the total length of vibrating string is reduced by the width of the area of contact of the finger. Cheers Philip Brown On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 9:00 AM,willsam...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: They would be for a perfectly thin flexible string - but string stiffness sharpens the higher harmonics. Bill On 25 June 2012 09:39, andy butlerakbut...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Harmonics on a plucked string are a little bit sharp, Isn't it the case that harmonics are pure by definition? David To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] ... lalcier, et un spiciar, lave??
Dear lutenists, in the ms. Capirola inxed there is a not-so-clear text that the SPES facsimile editor O. Cristoforetti interpretes as Recercar ottavo, lalcier, et un spiciar, lave. What could that explanation lalcier, et un spiciar, lave mean? It doesn't look like modern Italian, nor Latin. And (of course) I tried to play it, too...;-) And in the same mood as DvO wrote: it's always a difficult balance to strike between a musically better take with more mistakes or one that's cleaner but less interesting. So, cleaner versions dismissed, as usually: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgyjmKVEas8feature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/44198260 Best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: An old Capirola edition?
Dear lutenists, many thanks to all, who commented very interestingly - in public and in private - the Capirola Padoana! I have been checking also some other pieces by mesez Vicenzo capirola, as the SPES facsimile names the composer on the cover. It seems to be obvious that the 4th course needs the octave. There are many places that work and sound much better so... In the beginning my new Niskanen lute seemed to make that octave sound too loud, and I changed it to the same octave. But now the octave is back! We'll see(=hear), what will come of that... ;-) The split 3rd doesn't seem to be - at least for now - an attractive object of major workload, because the old Rooley edition is as such so fun to play... :) Best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] An old Capirola edition?
Dear lutenists I played an old version of a Padoana Veneziana, old _modern version_ of this piece. It seems to be a free edition of the real Capirola .23. Padoana belissima, descorda come sancta trinitas (Minkoff page 54). In the original the 6th course is lowered a whole tone, the edition uses the 7th. The original has a special section that separates the strings of the 4th course, the edition luckily not! ;-) The edition also misses some sections of the original. But the edition is fun to play! :-) Also the attribute Veneziana seems to be a modern interpretation? The piece is in [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElFIRz2WWxMfeature=youtu.be [2]http://vimeo.com/44120062 I have only an old photocopy page of the edition, no editor name there. French tab. Looks like old Lute Society edition? Anyone happens to know the editor or the reason for this Padoana being Veneziana? Best, Arto -- References Visible links 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElFIRz2WWxMfeature=youtu.be 2. http://vimeo.com/44120062 Hidden links: 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElFIRz2WWxMfeature=youtu.be To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] 3 gig clips - Dowland and Caccini
Dear lutenists, alta/bassa ensemble was a warming up band to a baroque violin hero; we had just an half an hour gig. Three clips of our gig: Dowland: Say love if ever thou didst find: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Td0M5lgdW4 Dowland: Now O now my needs must part: [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsiBfQzJn9o Caccini: Amor ch'attendi - as a short encore..: [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORNpTZz_puA The recording was made just by the organizers. And they used just a normal video camera with its low quality microphone - and of course placed on the far off corner... Volume is low, but turn the knob...;) Perhaps it is interesting to hear Dowland by two female singers, low recorder and a lute? Best, Arto -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Td0M5lgdW4 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsiBfQzJn9o 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORNpTZz_puA To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Dalza, first touching the strings and then researching
Dear lutenists, I had my new Lauri Niskanen Venere 7-courser set a new bridge; the original had 8.3cm between the extreme strings. That was too little. Lauri changed it to 9cm, and that feels much better. To make my hand learn the new distances I had to touch the strings and make a little research. Luckily Joanambrosio Dalza has developed very good set of tools to this kind of problems! ;) Here I am touching the strings and making then some research there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wmbpk0NQg70feature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/43765951 (Tastar de corde and Recercar dietro, 1508, f. 4r-5r) Many have played these pieces, and everybody does them differently. That is great! All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Logy Courante and Double
Is the ms. Denby the same as the ms. Danby? See Crawford's page http://www.doc.gold.ac.uk/~mas01tc/web/ttc/Danby.html Arto On 03/06/12 23:02, Daniel Shoskes wrote: The D-B Ms SA4060 Ms is turning out to be a very entertaining source of music. I found a courante by Logy that has a concordance in the Denby Ms. I have made my own amalgamation of the 2 versions and added the double that follows in Denby. Happy to share the pdf if anyone is interested. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMCtWk3xF7M Danny To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Saturday morning quotes
Great version of the Ravenscroft piece! Enjoyable! Many thanks!! Arto On 02/06/12 07:08, Ron Andrico wrote: We have posted our Saturday morning quotes with a new video. [1]http://wp.me/p15OyV-ph Donna Ron -- References 1. http://wp.me/p15OyV-ph To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bb-maj suite with also the WRITTEN ms.!
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Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Bb-maj suite with also the WRITTEN ms.!
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:48:05 +0300
From: Arto Wikla [1]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
To: [2]baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu [3]baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu
Dear baroque lutenists,
the ms. A-KR L83b is a real gem, if you happen to like well sounding,
not too difficult music to the baroque lute! As I have advertised
here, I've played some of that ms. lately. Today I combined - glued
together - some of the Bb-major pieces, to form a kind of suite. And I
also filmed and glued the original written tabulature pages to precede
the pieces following. The quality of the pictures is not too sharp, but
still readable and playable; just stop the video and learn the piece.
Then you perhaps may want to listen to my version... ;-) The links:
[4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?ve4YKnIRo4feature=youtu.be
[5]http://vimeo.com/43312260
I hope this kind of publishing some tiny details of the original huge
ms. is not against any legal rules!
Happy playing,
Arto
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] B-flat major is actually quite a cute key ...
.. a couple of tiny little Kremsmunsterian pieces (Gavotte and Menuet, perhaps?): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsBYVNfQzfUfeature=youtu.be Happy key, Arto On 31/05/12 23:19, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear b-lutenists, remember, delete is easy, if this kind of mails hurt... ;-) I just played still another Kremsmunster pop song. In a way it is kind of much more fun and enjoyable to play easy pieces that sound nice than those very difficult pieces that perhaps mainly show your braveness...? ;-)) So, this is perhaps an Allemande: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRpdYIiB_pAfeature=youtu.be Best, Arto On 30/05/12 20:28, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear lutenists, I happened to find a possible source of this famous Christmas carol in a baroque lute ms. The B-part of the piece is very near... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSd3TmSgM-Mfeature=youtu.be yes, yes, I now the Christmas is not near... ;-) Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] 11th course in Bb is fun!
Dear b-lutenists, remember, delete is easy, if this kind of mails hurt... ;-) I just played still another Kremsmunster pop song. In a way it is kind of much more fun and enjoyable to play easy pieces that sound nice than those very difficult pieces that perhaps mainly show your braveness...? ;-)) So, this is perhaps an Allemande: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRpdYIiB_pAfeature=youtu.be Best, Arto On 30/05/12 20:28, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear lutenists, I happened to find a possible source of this famous Christmas carol in a baroque lute ms. The B-part of the piece is very near... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSd3TmSgM-Mfeature=youtu.be yes, yes, I now the Christmas is not near... ;-) Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] We Wish You A Merry Christmas
Dear lutenists, I happened to find a possible source of this famous Christmas carol in a baroque lute ms. The B-part of the piece is very near... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSd3TmSgM-Mfeature=youtu.be yes, yes, I now the Christmas is not near... ;-) Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Austrian baroque pop...
Dear lutenists, I perhaps should not shamelessly self promote(?), but this kind of mails are anyhow so easily deleted... ;-) So, I am still advertising the lute music after Dowland and before Weiss. There is lots of that!! Now I have a tiny project of getting to know the Austrian (=Imperial) baroque pop music to the lute. Yesterday's example: Aria(?): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn7Pe_mwGXo http://vimeo.com/42639825 And a couple of more that I already have mentioned here: Aria(?) a'la Schubert long before Schubert http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrnUpH9-yigfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/42502142 Aria(?) in g-minor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PsXj0ZbT98feature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/42462352 Perhaps a couple more to come in near future... ;) Best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Zingy strings
Dear Bill and the List, I recommend Mimmo's Aquila's D's to the basses, for which there still are no NNG's/NGE's. Wound on NNG, I guess. But much, very much better than the old Pyramid type wound strings. And if I have understood it right, Mimmo is developing a better solution: loaded NNG's/NGE's! Best, Arto On 23/05/12 17:31, William Samson wrote: Hi, Just wondering if anybody had found a good way to take the worst of the boom and everlasting sustain out of overwound basses? Loaded gut is 'way beyond my budget, so anything that would make, say, Kuerschner or Pyramid basses a bit tamer would be helpful. I have heard about people who put a blob of Blu-tack on each string where it emerges from the bridge, but that sounds messy and unsightly. Hopefully there's a less cringe-making solution. Thanks! Bill -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Zingy strings
And Bill, I actually just replaced the old, very old - 1980's! - Pyramid basses of my 10-courser to Aquila's D's. Great improvement! Some examples of those D's (and also mainly NNG's): Entree de Luth - Branle de Village 1 - Branle de Village 3. [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?vovgNR9GipAfeature=youtu.be Home againe, Market is done [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwMUGil7yRwfeature=youtu.be Zamboni: Preludio - Sarabanda Largo - Gavotta Allegro [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC4YX24Dypsfeature=youtu.be Corrente (ms. Doni) [4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR773XlyCTcfeature=youtu.be Corrente francese (ms. Doni) [5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qedRGde-kEEfeature=youtu.be Piccinini: Toccata V [6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjD0k7_v9Hgfeature=youtu.be Michelangelo Galilei: Toccata [7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YvpwODvOOUfeature=youtu.be Kapsberger: Toccata 3 [8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek_rdlOmfE8feature=youtu.be Best, Arto On 23/05/12 18:38, William Samson wrote: Good question, David. They're very old Pyramids and although silvery in colour, it looks like silver plating on top of copper. I'd have thought that sweat and dirt might have calmed them down after all these years, but . . . :( Bill From: [9]starb...@optonline.net [10]starb...@optonline.net To: William Samson [11]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2012, 16:23 Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Zingy strings Bill, Are you using silver or copper wound? I found that the copper wound are less zingy than the silver wound (at least on my lute). -David - Original Message - From: William Samson Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:32 am Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Zingy strings To: baroque-lute mailing-list Hi, Just wondering if anybody had found a good way to take the worst of the boom and everlasting sustain out of overwound basses? Loaded gut is 'way beyond my budget, so anything that would make, say, Kuerschner or Pyramid basses a bit tamer would be helpful. I have heard about people who put a blob of Blu-tack on each string where it emerges from the bridge, but that sounds messy and unsightly. Hopefully there's a less cringe-making solution. Thanks! Bill -- To get on or off this list see list information at [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v%C3%B4vgNR9GipAfeature=youtu.be 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwMUGil7yRwfeature=youtu.be 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC4YX24Dypsfeature=youtu.be 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR773XlyCTcfeature=youtu.be 5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qedRGde-kEEfeature=youtu.be 6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjD0k7_v9Hgfeature=youtu.be 7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YvpwODvOOUfeature=youtu.be 8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek_rdlOmfE8feature=youtu.be 9. mailto:starb...@optonline.net 10. mailto:starb...@optonline.net 11. mailto:willsam...@yahoo.co.uk 12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Zingy strings
Something wrong with the first link!? This should work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4vgNR9GipAfeature=youtu.be Arto On 23/05/12 23:40, Arto Wikla wrote: And Bill, I actually just replaced the old, very old - 1980's! - Pyramid basses of my 10-courser to Aquila's D's. Great improvement! Some examples of those D's (and also mainly NNG's): Entree de Luth - Branle de Village 1 - Branle de Village 3. [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?vovgNR9GipAfeature=youtu.be Home againe, Market is done [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwMUGil7yRwfeature=youtu.be Zamboni: Preludio - Sarabanda Largo - Gavotta Allegro [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC4YX24Dypsfeature=youtu.be Corrente (ms. Doni) [4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR773XlyCTcfeature=youtu.be Corrente francese (ms. Doni) [5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qedRGde-kEEfeature=youtu.be Piccinini: Toccata V [6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjD0k7_v9Hgfeature=youtu.be Michelangelo Galilei: Toccata [7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YvpwODvOOUfeature=youtu.be Kapsberger: Toccata 3 [8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek_rdlOmfE8feature=youtu.be Best, Arto On 23/05/12 18:38, William Samson wrote: Good question, David. They're very old Pyramids and although silvery in colour, it looks like silver plating on top of copper. I'd have thought that sweat and dirt might have calmed them down after all these years, but . . . :( Bill From: [9]starb...@optonline.net [10]starb...@optonline.net To: William Samson [11]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2012, 16:23 Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Zingy strings Bill, Are you using silver or copper wound? I found that the copper wound are less zingy than the silver wound (at least on my lute). -David - Original Message - From: William Samson Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:32 am Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Zingy strings To: baroque-lute mailing-list Hi, Just wondering if anybody had found a good way to take the worst of the boom and everlasting sustain out of overwound basses? Loaded gut is 'way beyond my budget, so anything that would make, say, Kuerschner or Pyramid basses a bit tamer would be helpful. I have heard about people who put a blob of Blu-tack on each string where it emerges from the bridge, but that sounds messy and unsightly. Hopefully there's a less cringe-making solution. Thanks! Bill -- To get on or off this list see list information at [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v%C3%B4vgNR9GipAfeature=youtu.be 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwMUGil7yRwfeature=youtu.be 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC4YX24Dypsfeature=youtu.be 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR773XlyCTcfeature=youtu.be 5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qedRGde-kEEfeature=youtu.be 6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjD0k7_v9Hgfeature=youtu.be 7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YvpwODvOOUfeature=youtu.be 8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek_rdlOmfE8feature=youtu.be 9. mailto:starb...@optonline.net 10. mailto:starb...@optonline.net 11. mailto:willsam...@yahoo.co.uk 12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] What is this nice little piece?
Dear lutenists, I happened to find a simple but also quite beautiful little piece to baroque lute. It is in one of the Kremsmunster mss., A-KR L83b, fol. 25r, piece number 248.There is no name of the piece, neither of the composer, but somehow this piece sounds so familiar! The piece is so song-like that I think it must be an instrumental arrangement of a song, perhaps taken from some popular opera around 1700 in Vienna? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PsXj0ZbT98feature=youtu.be So, if somebody happens to know this piece, please let me know! All the best, Arto PS The d-minor tuning is really a clever idea! I could not have imagined that before getting into it... :-) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: What is this nice little piece?
On 19/05/12 22:18, Arto Wikla wrote: Now also in Vimeo: http://vimeo.com/42462352 Dear lutenists, I happened to find a simple but also quite beautiful little piece to baroque lute. It is in one of the Kremsmunster mss., A-KR L83b, fol. 25r, piece number 248.There is no name of the piece, neither of the composer, but somehow this piece sounds so familiar! The piece is so song-like that I think it must be an instrumental arrangement of a song, perhaps taken from some popular opera around 1700 in Vienna? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PsXj0ZbT98feature=youtu.be So, if somebody happens to know this piece, please let me know! All the best, Arto PS The d-minor tuning is really a clever idea! I could not have imagined that before getting into it... :-) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Toccata before 1611?
Thanks Val and Sean! And I had forgotten the Howard Meyer-Brown! He lists also some other. An interesting one is in Terzi's 1599 book. Looks quite nice. Arto On 09/05/12 09:27, Sean Smith wrote: There are three dance suites in the Itabolatura di Diversi Autori 1536 that are each followed by a short Tochata. The first two state: Tochata nel fine del Ballo and the third, Tochata Del Divino Franc. Da Milano. The first two could as easily be by P.P.Borono as the dances are mostly attributed to him (or they may be anon.) but we can't be certain. Sean Dear lutenists, while trying to activate my old vieil accord understanding, I have played some Toccate by 10-courser. I started with Piccinini 1639, then M. Galilei 1620, and today Kapsberger 1611: Kapsberger: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek_rdlOmfE8feature=youtu.be [2]http://vimeo.com/41791916 Galilei: [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YvpwODvOOUfeature=youtu.be [4]http://vimeo.com/41619395 Piccinini: [5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjD0k7_v9Hgfeature=youtu.be [6]http://vimeo.com/41573141 So I am going backwards in time. I think I have seen some lute Toccata compositions also before 1611, but I cannot remember where. So my question and suggestion: could we create a list early lute Toccatas? All the best, Arto -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek_rdlOmfE8feature=youtu.be 2. http://vimeo.com/41791916 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YvpwODvOOUfeature=youtu.be 4. http://vimeo.com/41619395 5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjD0k7_v9Hgfeature=youtu.be 6. http://vimeo.com/41573141 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Lute Toccata before 1611?
Dear lutenists, while trying to activate my old vieil accord understanding, I have played some Toccate by 10-courser. I started with Piccinini 1639, then M. Galilei 1620, and today Kapsberger 1611: Kapsberger: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek_rdlOmfE8feature=youtu.be [2]http://vimeo.com/41791916 Galilei: [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YvpwODvOOUfeature=youtu.be [4]http://vimeo.com/41619395 Piccinini: [5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjD0k7_v9Hgfeature=youtu.be [6]http://vimeo.com/41573141 So I am going backwards in time. I think I have seen some lute Toccata compositions also before 1611, but I cannot remember where. So my question and suggestion: could we create a list early lute Toccatas? All the best, Arto -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek_rdlOmfE8feature=youtu.be 2. http://vimeo.com/41791916 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YvpwODvOOUfeature=youtu.be 4. http://vimeo.com/41619395 5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjD0k7_v9Hgfeature=youtu.be 6. http://vimeo.com/41573141 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Astronomical(?) Toccata
Dear lutenists, yesterday Piccinini (see below), today Toccata by the little brother of the famous astronomer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YvpwODvOOUfeature=youtu.be and http://vimeo.com/41619395 Also this Toccata has some interesting technical features: several times you need to finger frets b and f on neighboring courses! And there are also other quite tricky fingerings... My old lute teacher used to say that you should take the stretches as you do when yawning, not forcing anything. I think that was good advice! All the best, Arto On 04/05/12 21:21, Arto Wikla wrote: Ciao, dear lutenists, I just tried to play the shortest and easiest lute Toccata by the Piccininis (father or son) - and even this is not at all easy... If interested, you'll find my try in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjD0k7_v9Hgfeature=youtu.be and also in http://vimeo.com/41573141 And then something ONLY to you, who actually play this piece: in my 10 courser I now have an octave up to the c-course: That really seems to solve a problem in voicing that I have wondered for years: the phrase in bars 15-22 works much better by this stringing - at least to my understanding! Best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Eine kleine Piccinini
Ciao, dear lutenists, I just tried to play the shortest and easiest lute Toccata by the Piccininis (father or son) - and even this is not at all easy... If interested, you'll find my try in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjD0k7_v9Hgfeature=youtu.be and also in http://vimeo.com/41573141 And then something ONLY to you, who actually play this piece: in my 10 courser I now have an octave up to the c-course: That really seems to solve a problem in voicing that I have wondered for years: the phrase in bars 15-22 works much better by this stringing - at least to my understanding! Best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Re-tuning the diapason of a 7c
Dear Joshua, welcome to the gang! I think you can make the same 7th work in F and D. My example: 7-course Venere, 58 cm, the 7th course: Aquila's new nylgut octave 94 NNG Aquila's type D string 195 D The tensions are (a'=440Hz) in F 3.657 Kg / 3.935 Kg in D 2.586 Kg / 2.782 Kg F is quite tight, but works. Did you know, you can make the string calculations in my page http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/NewScalc/ And you can see and hear my new Venere in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5lzPnVZl_ofeature=youtu.be Again: Welcome! Arto On 02/05/12 19:06, Joshua Burkholder wrote: Eugene, Well I have considered (and tried) an 8-course, and understand their advantages, but the music I'm most interested in is mostly 6 and 7 course, and so I feel like I don't really need the extra course. In any case, let's leave aside my choice of lute for the moment (though your advice is certainly welcome), because I'm quite curious to know whether it's practicable to retune the 7th course without re-stringing. (Perhaps I've overstated things a bit anyways, my question is more of a curiosity than a dilemma: I actually think a a 7th course in D and fingering the third fret will work fine for me in the majority of stuff I want to play, at least going by what I've seen so far). It's just that I often see mentioned in descriptions of 7-course lutes something to the effect of the player having to tune to either D or F according to the piece one wants to play, but in my (admittedly very limited) practical experience this doesn't seem very feasible without changing the string. So ! I'! m just wondering whether perhaps I am not missing something? Joshua On May 2, 2012, at 5:48 PM, Braig, Eugene wrote: It's beginning to sound like an 8-course might actually better suit your needs. While short lived in period, they seem pretty ubiquitous today. Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Joshua Burkholder Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 11:40 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re-tuning the diapason of a 7c Dear lute-listers, A question from a beginner: First to introduce myself, my name is Joshua and I've been playing the lute for several months now; I have been on the list for a couple weeks and am really enjoying following your discussions. I have a rental 7-course and I am now in the process of taking the plunge and buying a lute of my own. After much reading, pondering and agonizing over the best number of courses to start with, I've come to the conclusion that a 7-course best suits my needs. So onto to my question: I know that some people re-tune the 7th course from D to F as needed, but on my rental lute this seems quite impossible. The diapason is stung to F and if I drop it down to D it becomes far too wobbly and flabby. From this I assume that if I were to restring it to D, which I'd prefer on the whole, it would likewise be impossible to raise it to F. Currently the lute is strung with Pyramid strings so the basses are metal wound. Is it only possible to change from D to F on the same string if one uses gut strings (Poulton remarks to this effect in her tutor that if it's strung to be tuned at D it will only be possible to raise it to F if gut strings are used)? Otherwise I have to re-string? Or does someone use some other stringing solution, besides just keeping it D and fingering the third fret for F (or buying an 8-course lute...)? I've read enough about stringing lutes to understand that it will be a while before I understand anything about stringing lutes... Thank you for taking the time to help out a newcomer. Best wishes, Joshua To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Info of the Add. MS. 15117, British Museum?
Dear lutenists, I happened to find one page of the Add. MS. 15117, British Museum, among my files - actually in an unexpected folder containing computer science... That page was the Willow Song as a lute song with handwritten tabulature. Not bad. Does anyone here happen know more of that ms.? Contents? Size? A pdf would be wonderful!! :-) Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] OT, but about music, great music by Schubert
Dear lutenists, this morning I happened to listen some classical radio channel. Great music crept to my soul. Could not do anything else than listen intensively. I am sorry to talk here about not lute music, but perhaps also Bach is an example of that? And we talk a lot of his music, too... ;-) And well, ..., to me Schubert is (even more) important... The piece that took me was Schubert's Impromptu Op.90 No.1, c minor, played by Brendel. And luckily I found that performance also in the y-tube. Just in case interested in a piece of music that cannot be reached by any words, listen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=149UGrLzR5w And sorry again for the not lute OT! Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Entertainment music on May Day instead of that so serious Bach... ;-)
Italian music entertainment on this May Day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR773XlyCTcfeature=youtu.be More entertainment on May Day (the Italian idea of a French entertainment): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qedRGde-kEEfeature=youtu.be Happy May Day! Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Entertainment music on May Day instead of that so serious Bach...;-)
Thanks Jean-Marie and Chris! :-) Now also in Vimeo: http://vimeo.com/41307569 http://vimeo.com/41307711 Best, Arto On 01/05/12 01:10, Christopher Stetson wrote: Yes, thanks Arto. Dare I say that I prefer this light music to Bach? And Jean-Marie, I wish we had only 1 or 2 weeks of political hubbub before elections here in the USA. Zut alors! Best to all, Chris. On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Jean-Marie Poirier [1]jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr wrote: Good idea and very well done Arto, but May Day doesn't really promise to be an entertainment day this year in France with all the political hubbub before the elections next Sunday... :-( ! Jean-Marie = == En reponse au message du 30-04-2012, 21:12:48 == Italian music entertainment on this May Day: [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR773XlyCTcfeature=youtu.be More entertainment on May Day (the Italian idea of a French entertainment): [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qedRGde-kEEfeature=youtu.be Happy May Day! Arto To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR773XlyCTcfeature=youtu.be 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qedRGde-kEEfeature=youtu.be 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Who wrote the ms. D-Bsa4060? And when?
Thanks Roman, the 1945 history is now somehow cleared, and also Wikipedia tells much of the Singakademie. But who copied - penned - the ms. D-Bsa4060? The style of writing the tabulature and also the line of the pen is something that I have not found in the genuine 17th century mss. As I wrote in my original message: And how can this ms. be so clear? It looks like written/copied later than 17th century? The pen and the writing style looks more like 19th or even 20th century style. Could it have be written by some musicologist, who just copied many original 17th century mss.? Any ideas? Best, Arto On 29/04/12 14:48, Roman Turovsky wrote: Arto, Singacademie was in Berlin, and it was instrumental in preservation of JSB's works and reputation, when it was led by C.F.Zelter and Mendelssohn. Its archive was taken to Kiev as war booty, and stored at the conservatory. The archive survived intact, unlike the collection of Lubeck Kunsthalle which was stolen piecemeal by the professors of Kiev Art Academy where it was stored. RT - Original Message - From: wi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: Lute net l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 5:36 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: 4060 New try. I sent this already yesterday, but it has not appeared. Sorry if this becomes a double: - Very interesting and huge ms.! Thanks all involved! Eagerly waiting also the intro by François-Pierre Goy in the Tree edition to come. Before that proper analysis, it would be very interesting to hear at least something of the history of that ms. -- the 17th century history and also the 20th century history: the role of Kiev -- I can guess the point of history when the ms. was taken there... And what and where was that Singakademie? And how can this ms. be so clear? It looks like written/copied later than 17th century? The pen and the writing style looks more like 19th or even 20th century style. Could it have be written by some musicologist, who just copied many original 17th century mss.? Best, Arto On 25/04/12 22:34, Andreas Schlegel wrote: Dear lute netters, That's the famous manuscript of the Singakademie who came back from Kiew in the year 2000. I bought a microfiche and in February I was in Berlin, made the physical description and took photos of the watermarks etc. - and they didn't told me that they will publish the PDF... But anyway: That's a great gift! A big thank you to the library and to Rainer who shared the link! François-Pierre Goy and Tim Crawford are working on this very important source. François-Pierre Goy wrote an article and a whole inventory - but I don't know where it will be published. I will ask him when he's back from his holiday. Enjoy the source! Andreas Am 25.04.2012 um 21:07 schrieb Rainer: Dear lute netters, I have no idea if this is new: MS 4060 (750 pages) is on-line. See http://resolver.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/SBB78A3 Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Zamboni re-tubed...
Dear lutenists, just in case our List will come alive again: I re-recorded some Zamboni when warming up my 10-course Vieil Accord playing - a tiny gig is coming. My tube explanation of the Preludio, Sarabanda Largo and Gavotta Allegro is: These pieces of the Sonata 9 by Giovanni Zamboni Romano come from his printed book Sonate d'intavolatura di Leuto, Opera Prima (Lucca 1718). The book is an example of a very late use of the old renaissance tuning, the Vieil Accord. The instrument is 10-course renaissance lute made by Stephen Barber 1986. If interested, the links: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC4YX24Dypsfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/41204447 All the best, and I hope our List will be back some day! Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: 4060
New try. I sent this already yesterday, but it has not appeared. Sorry if this becomes a double: - Very interesting and huge ms.! Thanks all involved! Eagerly waiting also the intro by François-Pierre Goy in the Tree edition to come. Before that proper analysis, it would be very interesting to hear at least something of the history of that ms. -- the 17th century history and also the 20th century history: the role of Kiev -- I can guess the point of history when the ms. was taken there... And what and where was that Singakademie? And how can this ms. be so clear? It looks like written/copied later than 17th century? The pen and the writing style looks more like 19th or even 20th century style. Could it have be written by some musicologist, who just copied many original 17th century mss.? Best, Arto On 25/04/12 22:34, Andreas Schlegel wrote: Dear lute netters, That's the famous manuscript of the Singakademie who came back from Kiew in the year 2000. I bought a microfiche and in February I was in Berlin, made the physical description and took photos of the watermarks etc. - and they didn't told me that they will publish the PDF... But anyway: That's a great gift! A big thank you to the library and to Rainer who shared the link! François-Pierre Goy and Tim Crawford are working on this very important source. François-Pierre Goy wrote an article and a whole inventory - but I don't know where it will be published. I will ask him when he's back from his holiday. Enjoy the source! Andreas Am 25.04.2012 um 21:07 schrieb Rainer: Dear lute netters, I have no idea if this is new: MS 4060 (750 pages) is on-line. See http://resolver.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/SBB78A3 Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: 4060
Very interesting and huge ms.! Thanks all involved! Eagerly waiting also the intro by François-Pierre Goy in the Tree edition to come. Before that proper analysis, it would be very interesting to hear at least something of the history of that ms. -- the 17th century history and also the 20th century history: the role of Kiev -- I can guess the point of history when the ms. was taken there... And what and where was that Singakademie? And how can this ms. be so clear? It looks like written/copied later than 17th century? The pen and the writing style looks more like 19th or even 20th century style. Could it have be written by some musicologist, who just copied many original 17th century mss.? Best, Arto On 25/04/12 22:34, Andreas Schlegel wrote: Dear lute netters, That's the famous manuscript of the Singakademie who came back from Kiew in the year 2000. I bought a microfiche and in February I was in Berlin, made the physical description and took photos of the watermarks etc. - and they didn't told me that they will publish the PDF... But anyway: That's a great gift! A big thank you to the library and to Rainer who shared the link! François-Pierre Goy and Tim Crawford are working on this very important source. François-Pierre Goy wrote an article and a whole inventory - but I don't know where it will be published. I will ask him when he's back from his holiday. Enjoy the source! Andreas Am 25.04.2012 um 21:07 schrieb Rainer: Dear lute netters, I have no idea if this is new: MS 4060 (750 pages) is on-line. See http://resolver.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/SBB78A3 Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] 26 years old lute top and Mimmo's NNG's....
Dear lutenists, I just re-strung my old Stephen Barber 10-course Berr by Aquila's NNG's and some D's. There has been some talk here about the lute soundboards getting tired. This Berr has had no surgery, neither any need of repair. Perhaps 26 years is not so much, but long time anyhow... ;-) And the lute sounds quite good still - at least to my ears. If interested, you can hear one unedited and un-echoed example of one ballad tune in ms. Board, Home againe, Market is done in: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwMUGil7yRwfeature=youtu.be and also [2]http://vimeo.com/41031964 best, Arto -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwMUGil7yRwfeature=youtu.be 2. http://vimeo.com/41031964 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Very OT: photos, no music...
Dear lutenists, someone some time ago asked me to tell also of my (very OT!) pictures. If no interest, delete this mail immediately!! Yesterday I took and set some quite formalistic photos to the Picasaweb: https://picasaweb.google.com/114782807109183620580/FormalismusApril222012 Slideshow and F11 recommended. Best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Testing NNG's and back to the old love, the renaissance 10-courser...
Very strange! And thanks for recording, Adam. It seems to be in double speed. In my computer the video plays correctly. Arto On 22/04/12 18:30, Edward Mast wrote: Messed up? That's just Arto playing his funk/Renaissance arrangements after drinking five cups of espresso. -Ned On Apr 22, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Adam Olsen wrote: Haha, it even plays the video I uploaded doubly messed up. Every other video I watch seems to be fine. Very weird! On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Adam Olsenarol...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, so this morning, my computer just will not play this video correctly. It played all the other ones I've been looking at just fine, but it really messes this one up. However, the way it messes it up is pretty interesting and fun, so I recorded it with my phone and uploaded it to youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlVuHSm4FmI To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Testing NNG's and back to the old love, the renaissance 10-courser...
Dear lutenists, after years of neglecting the renaissance tuning, favoring the theorbo in continuo and trying to get into the d-minor solo lute, I happened to get a tiny gig of accompanying a couple of ladies singing the late renaissance. So back to the 10-courser after years... And that means I have to practice! The old strings of my Berr by Barber 1986, were worn out Pyramid basses from the 80's and some old white NG's above. I ordered new NNG's and D's from Mimmo of the Aquila Strings. Yesterday evening I had to work hours to change all the 19 strings... Well, the NNG's feel good. I motivated myself to practice the neglected instrument and test the strings by playing to the tubes (again and again..., sorry... ;) An example of art music and country music published by one of the Ballards can fe found in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4vgNR9GipAfeature=youtu.be and also http://vimeo.com/40781834 All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: New vihuela
Beautiful instrument and beautiful playing! Thanks Val! Arto On 15/04/12 09:35, Sauvage Valéry wrote: Hello, I'm happy to present my new vihuela, made by Didier Jarny... Rosewood and maple back and sides, maple neck and head, snakewood fretboard. Probably not an historical model (but iconographical inspiration), we choose, with Didier the woods and decoration and he did a fantastic job, and the instrument is nice looking, nice sounding, and very well set up, so easy to play. So here it is : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htHj3pACSKc Valéry ;-) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Mouton's campanella technique
Dear Bernhard, thanks! The 17706 (8r-8v) doesn't seem to indicate playing the campanella, as you also have written. On the other hand the Saizenay 279153 (p. 114) does that, and uses special markings to that: g. and p.. What (French?) words could those mean? Best, Arto On 12/04/12 09:45, Bernhard Fischer wrote: Dear Arto, This Mouton Prelude is well known and included in lute school books as teaching material / example. It is included in several historic manuscripts in various versions, with and without dissection the bass course. For your kind information I attach my hand-written copy of this piece from the Vienna MS 17706. Best regards from Vienna, Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Arto Wikla Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. April 2012 18:50 An: Baroque Lute Net; vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Mouton's campanella technique Dear baroque lutenists and guitarists, I played a tiny Prelude by Mouton from his printed book Pieces de Luth, page 1. Here Mouton uses his unique(?) technique of playing first only the low octave of a bass course and only after some higher strings the upper octave of the same bass course. So it is actually the campanella technique better known in baroque guitar music. You can find my version in [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64w2NH6hCgfeature=youtu.be It is quite short, 46 seconds. The campanella passage starts in about 0:21, where the bass goes C-B-A-G-F (a'A5Hz). Does anyone know, whether any other baroque lutenist used this technique? All the best, Arto -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64w2NH6hCgfeature=youtu.be To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Mouton's campanella technique
Dear baroque lutenists and guitarists, I played a tiny Prelude by Mouton from his printed book Pieces de Luth, page 1. Here Mouton uses his unique(?) technique of playing first only the low octave of a bass course and only after some higher strings the upper octave of the same bass course. So it is actually the campanella technique better known in baroque guitar music. You can find my version in [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64w2NH6hCgfeature=youtu.be It is quite short, 46 seconds. The campanella passage starts in about 0:21, where the bass goes C-B-A-G-F (a'A5Hz). Does anyone know, whether any other baroque lutenist used this technique? All the best, Arto -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64w2NH6hCgfeature=youtu.be To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Paul O'Dette interview
Thanks for the links, Val! I had to listen all of the program immediately. It is a pity that the concert was excluded... Arto On 10/04/12 16:10, Valery Sauvage wrote: Some interesting videos... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clxoDOwK-qI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ5vltWA0IY To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] A couple of lutenists?
Dear lutenists, in one Finnish tv-channel (Teema) there were just two interesting programs - lute included: [1]Philippe Jaroussky was singing Caldara with Concerto Koeln and then[2] Cecilia Bartoli sang castrati arias with Giardino Harmonico. In Concerto Koeln there was a bald theorbo player. Played well. With Giardiano there was an archlute player with quite small instrument. Does anyone happen to know, who these guys are? The archlutenist was perhaps Contini? Not important at all, but I must say Cecilia was much more masculine in her castrati arias than Philippe in Caldara... ;-) Arto -- References 1. http://ohjelma.yle.fi/ohjelmat/1421774 2. http://ohjelma.yle.fi/ohjelmat/1421775 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: A couple of lutenists?
So, no one seems to know the Concerto Koeln theorbist? He kind of reminds me of one German lute student friend in the beginning of 90's in a course in Sweden. But he had hair and was young then... :) Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: The rhythm shape of French cadences?
Thank you Mathias and Stewart! Interesting discussion! There is an intersting comment by Gallot to the way Stewart wrote:. A baroque trill consists of three elements: 1) An appoggiatura, i.e. play the note above the written note first (b2). 2) A trill with as many turns as you can sensibly fit in (a2 b2 a2 b2 a2). 3) A termination (optional) which rounds off the trill (d3 a2). |\ |\ |\ |\ |\| || |\ |\ |\| || |\ ||\| || |\ |. |\| ___ ___a__|__b___a_b_a_b_a___a__|__ ___d__|___d_d___|__ __|__c__|__ __|_|__ __|_|__ More or less this type of cadence seems to be the norm today. But there is some info contradicting that: George Torres translated the prefaces of several French lute books in JLSA XXXVI (2003) (published in 2008!) in his important article. In the Pieces de luth, Paris 1684, Gallot writes: 6. Join terminations (cadences) to the trills (tremblements) as much as is possible to do, and evenly. In his footnote Torres explains the 6th point of Gallot: Here Gallot is telling us to run the trills and their termination smoothly together, so that the notes flow with the same note values and emphasis into a smooth phrase. The habit he is warning against is letting the notes of the trill fade away, and then suddenly get loud for the two note termination. Do we have more studies or knowledge of this question? Anything similar in the harpsichord studies? All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Of Mice Milk
Great Dan! :-) I just recorded 51 seconds of a Prelude by just one stereomice of the Zoom Q3 HD watching me at the distance of about one meter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl3rIG3U4UMfeature=youtu.be Long live the mice... ;) Arto On 06/04/12 19:44, Daniel Winheld wrote: (And, yes. I say mics, so why not micing?). Micing is normally means using mice. Naturally, the word is normally used by micers. But four mice are really ten times better than two, and you don't need more than six, and you can make a very, very good recording with two if you are willing dictionary.com has 'miking', but not 'micing'. The former's root is the word 'mike'. 'micing' looks like 'icing' with an 'm' in front anyway :) Ein Mikrofon oder Mikrophon ist ein Schallwandler For Mahler's Symphony #8, the use of a very large prototype was attempted, Der Mookrophon, in English- Moocrophone, or Moose. Utter failure, moosing large ensembles was abandoned. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Of Mice Milk
Very mice Lex, thanks! Arto On 07/04/12 00:01, Lex van Sante wrote: Does anyone really care? Anyway with all those mice around perhaps it is safer to use wireless technology as these rodents have been known to cause trouble when hungry. However there is a cheaper way of accomplishing great sound. Instead of using mice one could do with nice. The difference is small but significant. Nice thread, though. Lex Op 6 apr 2012, om 22:39 heeft hera caius het volgende geschreven: Does anyone remember where this discussion started? [03.gif] -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: 4022, 40588
Is it possible to get all of the 4022 as one pdf? Most interesting ms.! I tried to find a link for downloading it all, but could not find... Perhaps my language problem? Arto On 06/04/12 00:29, theoj89...@aol.com wrote: Is there any scholarly description of, discussion of, or list of tunes in the Staatsbibliothek - Berlin, Ms 4022. On first glance, it looks interesting. trj -Original Message- From: Rainerrads.bera_g...@t-online.de To: Lute netlute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 1:57 pm Subject: [LUTE] 4022, 40588 Go to http://digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/dms/suche/ and search for Lautentabulatur Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: 4022, 40588
Thanks! Got it! :) Arto On 06/04/12 01:06, R. Mattes wrote: On Fri, 06 Apr 2012 00:50:35 +0300, Arto Wikla wrote Is it possible to get all of the 4022 as one pdf? Yes, you need to allow JavaScript (darn, whatfor?). Then click on 'Werkzeugkasten' (toolbox) and then click the pdf icon. But it's 500Mb download (doing it myself right now ;-) HTH Ralf Mattes Most interesting ms.! I tried to find a link for downloading it all, but could not find... Perhaps my language problem? Arto On 06/04/12 00:29, theoj89...@aol.com wrote: Is there any scholarly description of, discussion of, or list of tunes in the Staatsbibliothek - Berlin, Ms 4022. On first glance, it looks interesting. trj -Original Message- From: Rainerrads.bera_g...@t-online.de To: Lute netlute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 1:57 pm Subject: [LUTE] 4022, 40588 Go to http://digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/dms/suche/ and search for Lautentabulatur Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- -- R. Mattes - Hochschule fuer Musik Freiburg r...@inm.mh-freiburg.de
[LUTE] Re: Recorder and Lute
Dear Mathias: The only music explicitly written for the recorder and the D-minor-lute, that I'm aware of, is a suite per flauto dolce e liuto by E.G. Baron. Interesting! Is this suite available somewhere? Perhaps even on-line in the Net? Best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: JF Daube
Beautiful! Thanks Bernhard! Arto On 02/04/12 10:58, Bernhard Fischer wrote: Dear lute friends, Over the weekend I recorded three pieces in d-minor, Fantasia, Andante and Tempo di Menut, from the composer Johann Friedrich Daube. [1]http://vimeo.com/39585657 or [2]http://youtu.be/9tfs2wwIcr8 Johann Friedrich Daube was born in 1733 in Hessen (Germany) and died in 1797 in Vienna (Austria). He played the theorbe at the Royal Court of Friedrich II (Friedrich the Great) in Berlin where he also met Carl Phillipp Emanuel Bach. Via Stuttgart and Augsburg he moved to Vienna. His music combines elements of late baroque and early classic. I still need to find his traces in Vienna. Has anyone more and specific information about Daube? Kind regards from Vienna, Bernhard -- References 1. http://vimeo.com/39585657 2. http://youtu.be/9tfs2wwIcr8 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Suite by Mouton; Was: Re: Quality vs Quantity
Dear lutenists, I just completed my tiny project of trying to get some idea of the music of Charles Mouton, one of the greatest lute composers. A Chaconne became the final piece of the suite in g-minor. No other editing of video or sound than clipping off the beginnings and ends around each piece. And the acoustics are just the acoustics of my living room and the instrument. Recorded by the Zoom Q3 HD Handy Video Recorder. The possible merits belong to Mouton. The obvious faults are mine, of course. The final Chaconne is in [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1NcrgV1vN8feature=youtu.be And the whole suite, Prelude / Allemande L'Imperieuse / Courante La belle Comtesse / Sarabande en Rondeau Le Charmant Retour / Chaconne La belle Astree, is in [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzCAYxKAiY4feature=youtu.be And remember: you are not _obliged_ to listen/watch my amateurish efforts ... ;-) All the best, Arto -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1NcrgV1vN8feature=youtu.be 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzCAYxKAiY4feature=youtu.be To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Faksimile
Thank you Rainer, this was great news! Does any kind soul happen to know, whether there is a modern translation - on-line version would be great - of the Baron book? If memory serves, I have seen a printed book in English some time in the 80's, but then I was a dedicated renaissance man without any interest to the baroque lutes - and now I am hopelessly addicted to the d-minor tuning...;-) English would do, though Finnish would of course be even better...;) Arto On 30/03/12 02:19, Rainer wrote: Dear lute netters, I have no idea if this is new: http://reader.digitale-sammlungen.de/resolve/display/bsb10598228.html Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Quality vs Quantity
I continue my quantity postings... ;) Today I tried to tube L'Imperieuse, Allemande de Mouton (ms. Praha Kk 80). Far, very far, from perfect. And yes, I do know quite well quite a few places that should and could have been done better... Anyhow, this style of music - fragmentary, kind of vague here and there, short phrases, etc. - pleases me much! Vague as life! I'll try to become better in showing that also to others... Here is what I could do today: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.45bzjjG2w and [2]http://vimeo.com/39492200 And the Courante is coming... Sorry ;-) Best, Arto On 28/03/12 22:26, Arto Wikla wrote: Still more quantity to the tubes! I just tried to solve one puzzle of unmeasured preludes - this time Mouton's puzzle in g-minor. I think I found something, but I am very sure there is also much that I did not get: [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?vIM2IYAh0Cg and the same also in [4]http://vimeo.com/39352252 Best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v%C2%B745bzjjG2w 2. http://vimeo.com/39492200 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v%C3%8EM2IYAh0Cg 4. http://vimeo.com/39352252 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Quality vs Quantity
The url should be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B745bzjjG2wfeature=youtu.be Arto On 31/03/12 02:56, David Smith wrote: Utube claims it is a bad formed url. The Vimeo works fine. David -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Arto Wikla Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 1:48 PM To: 'Lute Net' Subject: [LUTE] Re: Quality vs Quantity I continue my quantity postings... ;) Today I tried to tube L'Imperieuse, Allemande de Mouton (ms. Praha Kk 80). Far, very far, from perfect. And yes, I do know quite well quite a few places that should and could have been done better... Anyhow, this style of music - fragmentary, kind of vague here and there, short phrases, etc. - pleases me much! Vague as life! I'll try to become better in showing that also to others... Here is what I could do today: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.45bzjjG2w and [2]http://vimeo.com/39492200 And the Courante is coming... Sorry ;-) Best, Arto On 28/03/12 22:26, Arto Wikla wrote: Still more quantity to the tubes! I just tried to solve one puzzle of unmeasured preludes - this time Mouton's puzzle in g-minor. I think I found something, but I am very sure there is also much that I did not get: [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?vIM2IYAh0Cg and the same also in [4]http://vimeo.com/39352252 Best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v%C2%B745bzjjG2w 2. http://vimeo.com/39492200 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v%C3%8EM2IYAh0Cg 4. http://vimeo.com/39352252 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
