Re: fleksy in iOS seven

[Sarah k Alawami]

No. I showed them the blog post and they flast out said that was a  roomer and 
should not be taken as truth. Maybe one day. What that actually meant is the 
devs have API access which they have had since last year and they can integrate 
it in to their apps.

Take care.
On Sep 20, 2013, at 2:06 AM, William Lomas  wrote:

> I thought they stated am going to integrate it
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 20 Sep 2013, at 04:34, "Chris Gilland"  wrote:
>> 
>> No, but you can definitely download and install it.  It won't become your 
>> default keyboard though.  With the way I O S framework, and API's work etc. 
>> coming from a dev myself's point a view, I don't think that will happen any 
>> time soon as far as being actually entegrated.  You'd almost have to 
>> completely rewrite the API in XCode to make that work.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "William Lomas" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:20 PM
>> Subject: fleksy in iOS seven
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Re: fleksy in iOS seven

[William Lomas]

I thought they stated am going to integrate it

Sent from my iPhone

> On 20 Sep 2013, at 04:34, "Chris Gilland"  wrote:
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> No, but you can definitely download and install it.  It won't become your 
> default keyboard though.  With the way I O S framework, and API's work etc. 
> coming from a dev myself's point a view, I don't think that will happen any 
> time soon as far as being actually entegrated.  You'd almost have to 
> completely rewrite the API in XCode to make that work.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "William Lomas" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:20 PM
> Subject: fleksy in iOS seven
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>> hi all has fleksy been integrated please yet in to ios seven if i upgrade?
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Re: fleksy in iOS seven

[Chris Gilland]

No.  I don't believe so.  I may have missed something down the pipeline, but 
I don't think so, as I follow these sort of things extremely extremely 
closely.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "William Lomas" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: fleksy in iOS seven



so is it one of the keyboards?

On 19 Sep 2013, at 22:29, Terry Clasper  
wrote:



far as i know yes
On 19 Sep 2013, at 22:20, William Lomas  wrote:

hi all has fleksy been integrated please yet in to ios seven if i 
upgrade?

kind regards

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Re: fleksy in iOS seven

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No, but you can definitely download and install it.  It won't become your 
default keyboard though.  With the way I O S framework, and API's work etc. 
coming from a dev myself's point a view, I don't think that will happen any 
time soon as far as being actually entegrated.  You'd almost have to 
completely rewrite the API in XCode to make that work.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "William Lomas" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:20 PM
Subject: fleksy in iOS seven



hi all has fleksy been integrated please yet in to ios seven if i upgrade?
kind regards

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Re: fleksy in iOS seven

[Sarah Alawami]

> On Sep 19, 2013, at 14:29, Terry Clasper  If I 
> remember correctly, that was something from the rumor mill. Fleksy  is not 
> integrated with Apple. That was a false rumor someone started to spread. I 
> follow them on Twitter, and they have said nothing about this. They did say 
> that the program integrated with Apple is for now a roomer. .


> wrote:
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> far as i know yes 
>> On 19 Sep 2013, at 22:20, William Lomas  wrote:
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Re: fleksy in iOS seven

[William Lomas]

so is it one of the keyboards?

On 19 Sep 2013, at 22:29, Terry Clasper  wrote:

> far as i know yes 
> On 19 Sep 2013, at 22:20, William Lomas  wrote:
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Re: fleksy in iOS seven

[Terry Clasper]

far as i know yes 
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fleksy in iOS seven

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hi all has fleksy been integrated please yet in to ios seven if i upgrade?
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Fleksy and iOS 7

[Shelly Blomstrom]

Fleksy is not working the same. It will not let me send a text message. It puts 
the contacts there, and puts the message in the body. However, when I push send 
the message does not show up in my message list. Does anyone have any ideas or 
solutions?
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Re: Fleksy In-App Purchase sale: unlock for $1.99 through till Sunday night

[Oriol Gómez]

no you don't
if you already purchased the app you don't need to buy it again, heh

On 1/15/13, krystal watson  wrote:
> does this mean that you buy the app then you have to do a in app perches as
> well that is silly really because you pay a bit when you first buy it not
> that that matters but why do you have to do that to get the mail thing when
> i could use it before for nothing as i had broght it for full price
> krystal watson
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> On 15/01/2013, at 11:05 AM, Esther  wrote:
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>> Quick addendum:
>>
>> I should have explicitly listed that the languages currently being
>> beta-tested with the Fleksy iOS app are Spanish, French, and Italian.  So,
>> hopefully predictive typing in these languages, in addition to English,
>> will be supported in Fleksy in an upcoming version.
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>> Cheers,
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Re: Fleksy In-App Purchase sale: unlock for $1.99 through till Sunday night

[krystal watson]

does this mean that you buy the app then you have to do a in app perches as 
well that is silly really because you pay a bit when you first buy it not that 
that matters but why do you have to do that to get the mail thing when i could 
use it before for nothing as i had broght it for full price 
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Re: Fleksy In-App Purchase sale: unlock for $1.99 through till Sunday night

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Quick addendum:

I should have explicitly listed that the languages currently being beta-tested 
with the Fleksy iOS app are Spanish, French, and Italian.  So, hopefully 
predictive typing in these languages, in addition to English, will be supported 
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Fleksy In-App Purchase sale: unlock for $1.99 through till Sunday night

[Esther]

Hello All,

This announcement from the Fleksy team showed up a few hours ago:

#2013CES, @Applevis Golden Apple, we say Thank you with a sale: Effective 
immediately, unlock Fleksy for $1.99 USD. Ends Sunday night!

source: 
https://twitter.com/fleksy/status/290911375860068353

For those of you in Europe, that price is €1.59 EUR.  I haven't seen this 
posted yet as a change in the app description, and it also isn't up on AppleVis 
yet.

This is a predictive typing app that was made free to try some months ago.  In 
order to copy what you've typed to mail, messages, tweets, etc. you need to 
make an in-app purchase.  This is what has just been dropped in price to $1.99 
for the rest of the week.  at present, the app only works for English, although 
the developers are currently beta-testing the app with other languages.

The App Store URL is:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fleksy-happy-typing/id520337246?mt=8

You may want to wait for the in-app purchase price to update, if it doesn't 
show the sale price when you try to purchase.

Here's the app description:

This free app gives you the full Fleksy typing experience. 

Visually impaired users can also upgrade to the full version to email, copy, or 
message the text you enter. 

How to use Fleksy 

To use Fleksy, tap once lightly where you think each letter is, then swipe 
right for space. 

To change the suggestion, swipe down. 

You can add punctuation by swiping right again after a space. 

Fleksy has more functions for entering punctuation marks, typing custom words 
(such as names), and includes innovative ways to help you type easily. 

What does the in-app purchase offer? 
- Copy entered text to paste in any other app and text field 
- Message, Email and Tweet directly from Fleksy 
- Add and manage Favorites in order to communicate faster with those contacts 
- Set up reply links in your texts and emails for other Fleksy users to benefit 
from 

Finally, if you are posting a review, please consider that Fleksy is optimized 
to be used by blind people. Some functionality is therefore going to seem 
unusual if you are a sighted user.

HTH.  Cheers,

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Re: Fleksy

[Chris]

No change, but am posting it here since it is an iOS app, Fleksy that 
is. But no changes as far as the other bit goes. Sorry.



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On 06/09/2012 21:07, Red.Falcon wrote:

Hi there!
Unless you are going to tell me different you can only use that site if you 
have that other operating system on your Mac's!
Because as far as I know they do not have a Mac version and the company who 
make it said the last time they had no intention of making one!
So please tell me things have changed!
Colin

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Hi there!
Unless you are going to tell me different you can only use that site if you 
have that other operating system on your Mac's!
Because as far as I know they do not have a Mac version and the company who 
make it said the last time they had no intention of making one!
So please tell me things have changed!
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Re: Message in the Dark app [was Re: (what Fleksy means for us) was Re: Fleksy}

[josh gregory]

Oh ok, thanks!

On 8/21/12, Esther  wrote:
> Hi Josh,
>
> This is another iOS app that uses predictive typing for social networking
> • Message In The Dark ($1.99) by Dudi Shani-Gabay
> http://itunes.apple.com/app/id498349077?mt=8
> I think its for Twitter, texting, Facebook, and mail, with no general copy
> to clipboard.  I have no idea if it's accessible.
>
> HTH.  Cheers,
>
> Esther
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> On Aug 21, 2012, at 10:53, josh gregory wrote:
>
>> Andrea, do you know what platform this is for, mac or iOS? Thanks!
>> Best,
>> Josh
>>
>> On 8/21/12, Andrea Breier  wrote:
>>> I saw a post the other day letting everyone know about another app like
>>> Fleksy. It is called message in the dark. It is listed for one dollar and
>>> ninety nine cents. I know nothing about it, but found it interesting.
>>>
>>> Hugs,
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Re: (what Fleksy means for us) was Re: Fleksy

[Andrea Breier]

It is supposed to be for mobile apple devices   As always ester says it best 
lol. I believe it was forwarded from another blind list, but how accessible it 
is, no one said  

Hugs, 
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>> I saw a post the other day letting everyone know about another app like
>> Fleksy. It is called message in the dark. It is listed for one dollar and
>> ninety nine cents. I know nothing about it, but found it interesting.
>> 
>> Hugs,
>> Andrea m. Breier
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 20, 2012, at 10:53 PM, Esther  wrote:
>> 
>>> Interesting that there's now a TUAW (The Unofficial Apple Weblog) article
>>> today about Fleksy:
>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2012/08/20/fleksy-is-an-alternate-text-input-tool-for-the-visually-impaired/
>>> 
>>> Not a lot of details, but it does show there's broader interest in this
>>> kind of app.
>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: (what Fleksy means for us) was Re: Fleksy

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hey Nick,

Great post and one of the reasons I like this list.  No slamming detected.

Like yourself, I'm reporting bugs to Apple all the time and giving the same 
feedback.  Also like yourself (I think anyway?) I write my own software so 
believe me, oh gods believe me, I know all about bug-tracking etc.  I mention 
this to give a context to my replies.

Ok the Fleksy stuff.  I've been chatting with the devs quite a bit so I won't 
comment too much more on that save to say that, as you suggest, their stuff can 
be incorporated into other apps in exactly the manner you describe.

Now to the more substantive point.  We're in 100% agreement on the issue of 
extensions.  I'm not in the least thinking of jaws-style scripting; it's evil.  
I'll try (and given how tired I am with a young baby in the house probably 
fail) to convey what I mean.

Jaws scripting essentially tries to fix apps that are broken.  It adds 
functionality to a screenreader which makes apps accessible.  (Relax gordon, 
I'm only mentioning it for context I'm not going to discuss it).  When I talk 
of an "extension" I mean something akin to Fleksy that enhances the 
functionality of what's provided.  It's an optional add-on if you will that 
doesn't detract from the original screenreader.   So take the work I'm doing on 
mathematical accessibility.  I have two choices; 1. create a self voicing app 
or 2. try to plug into a screenreader (voiceover in this case).  That is a very 
specific contextual use that does not impinge on the other uses of the 
screenreader rather it enhances the functionality (sorry I can't say how) in an 
area not covered.

Sorry if I gave the impression that I wanted to go down the old road used on 
other Os's and AT that couldn't be further from what I'm suggesting.  I guess 
I'm talking about a flexible dynamic architecture which permits personalisation 
and adaptivity to both users and contexts of use.  This, as you say in your 
mail, can be done (with effort, digging and knowledge of hidden APIS) on 
desktop but IOS is closed and I dont' like that as it makes my life as a 
researcher and developer miserable and awkward, and this makes me grumpy! 
*smile*

All the best, and feel free to contact me offlist if you want more specifics as 
I probably won't be looking at the folder containing my mac-access mails for a 
bit so may not contribute more to this thread.

Dónal
On 21 Aug 2012, at 18:22, Nicolai Svendsen  wrote:

> Hi Dónal
> 
> Just to throw in my two cents also.
> 
> Fleksy is a nice application because it lets you type incredibly fast, and 
> this even applies to when VoiceOver is off for sighted users. Sighted users 
> don't have to focus as much on what they're typing if they already know how 
> to touch-type, and it makes their typing speed infinitely better. Also, 
> because APIs exist which allow certain areas of the screen to accept regular 
> gestures, Fleksy being a case where this is used, this could technically be 
> incorporated into iOS as a global keyboard method. However, incorporating 
> this globally isn't as easy as it would be with a simple keyboard that does 
> not exist in iOS, such as the Emoji keyboard in iOS 4 because Developers need 
> to have certain APIs sandboxed or create an SDK, which Fleksy has done. In 
> this case, Apple would need to make it happen if you wanted something like 
> this to be globally available. Installing an application which lets you 
> select its input method as a keyboard in any text field is one thing, but 
> this is a completely different approach.
> 
> As for OS X, lots of bugs still exist. However, speaking from the perspective 
> of someone who submits them and actively receives feedback on them when 
> something changes, it sometimes takes months for Apple to review the bugs you 
> send in. When they do review them and get back to you in detail, they often 
> tell you to reproduce it again in hope of the issue being fixed, or say that 
> they cannot reproduce it. It gets a lot more complicated when they can't 
> reproduce it, because a lot of bugs are sometimes machine-specific, or depend 
> on your configuration. If they depend on your configuration, it also depends 
> on how VoiceOVer is configured, how you installed OS X as well as how you 
> modified the application exhibiting the behaviour. Logs don't always tell you 
> everything. Secondly, fixing one bug sometimes breaks something else, which 
> is very common. I will say that some of these bugs have been around for a 
> very long time, and some features purely don't exist when they should be 
> available. Obviously, this just means Apple's engineers need to focus a bit 
> more on the smaller bugs which eventually add up and become very annoying.

Message in the Dark app [was Re: (what Fleksy means for us) was Re: Fleksy}

[Esther]

Hi Josh,

This is another iOS app that uses predictive typing for social networking
• Message In The Dark ($1.99) by Dudi Shani-Gabay
http://itunes.apple.com/app/id498349077?mt=8
I think its for Twitter, texting, Facebook, and mail, with no general copy to 
clipboard.  I have no idea if it's accessible.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Aug 21, 2012, at 10:53, josh gregory wrote:

> Andrea, do you know what platform this is for, mac or iOS? Thanks!
> Best,
> Josh
> 
> On 8/21/12, Andrea Breier  wrote:
>> I saw a post the other day letting everyone know about another app like
>> Fleksy. It is called message in the dark. It is listed for one dollar and
>> ninety nine cents. I know nothing about it, but found it interesting.
>> 
>> Hugs,
>> Andrea m. Breier

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Re: (what Fleksy means for us) was Re: Fleksy

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Andrea, do you know what platform this is for, mac or iOS? Thanks!
Best,
Josh

On 8/21/12, Andrea Breier  wrote:
> I saw a post the other day letting everyone know about another app like
> Fleksy. It is called message in the dark. It is listed for one dollar and
> ninety nine cents. I know nothing about it, but found it interesting.
>
> Hugs,
> Andrea m. Breier
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 20, 2012, at 10:53 PM, Esther  wrote:
>
>> Interesting that there's now a TUAW (The Unofficial Apple Weblog) article
>> today about Fleksy:
>> http://www.tuaw.com/2012/08/20/fleksy-is-an-alternate-text-input-tool-for-the-visually-impaired/
>>
>> Not a lot of details, but it does show there's broader interest in this
>> kind of app.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
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Re: (what Fleksy means for us) was Re: Fleksy

[josh gregory]

Right, I get that a lot hasn't been done. But, features are still
beeing added (even if they are few).

On 8/21/12, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> Hi Esther,
>
> Absolutely everything you say is spot on and I guess I didn't make my
> meaning clear.  I wasn't having a pop at Fleksy; far from it.  Rather I was
> bemoaning the stagnation and lack of enhancements in Apple's own work over
> the past number of years.  In a properly architected system fleksy could be
> incorporated as an add-on.
>
> I also think you're right in terms of the algorithm.  It seems to draw
> vectors from point-to-point thus giving the word selection.  Nothing
> remotely rocket-science in it, but very nice all the same.  Still not buying
> it though! *smile*
> On 21 Aug 2012, at 02:04, Esther  wrote:
>
>> Hi Dónal and Others,
>>
>> First off, there are a number of predictive typing apps available for
>> people who want to take advantage of this on the virtual keyboard of iOS
>> devices.  There are also applications like TextExpander, which make input
>> of text on computers and iOS devices more efficient by custom snippet
>> definitions, whether using the virtual keyboard or a hardware keyboard,
>> and go way beyond simple text substitution.  These are not blindness
>> specific.
>>
>> I think that the predictive algorithm that Fleksy uses is more
>> sophisticated than the explanation you gave Travis, but I don't know this
>> for a fact.  I'd guess that it uses relative position changes -- so if you
>> weren't certain of the absolute position of letters on the screen, but
>> still knew that "e" and "r" are in the same row, but that "n" is way below
>> and to the right, you'd still get a match.  So, if you placed the phone on
>> a flat table and tried to type -- not that I ever use the iPhone this way
>> -- and if you got the approximate spatial relationships between keys
>> correct, but not the absolute position of the bottom row of keys, you
>> would still get good matches to the word predictions.
>>
>> There are many cases where even people with good spatial awareness might
>> have difficulty typing on the virtual keyboard.  For example, one of the
>> arguments for the TypeInBraille app was that there were situations like
>> trying to enter text on a moving bus where it can be difficult to type
>> letters with precision.   Also, depending on how steady your touch is
>> (e.g., tremors due to various conditions, especially ones that might be
>> age-related, such as Parkinson's disease), you might benefit from such an
>> application.
>>
>> Fleksy is an app where increased use is likely to provide increased gains
>> in the efficiency advantage.  I find that I still spend a bit too much
>> energy in the swipes to enter words.  Also, the basic dictionary may not
>> be matched to what you need to write, so the ability to import/export
>> words that was added is a help.  My first experience trying to speed type
>> "famous documents and quotations" from memory hit an immediate vocabulary
>> related snag when the fairly common words were just not common enough to
>> be recognized by the algorithm until I entered them exactly and added them
>> to the dictionary.
>>
>> Fleksy could take the route that TextExpander did, and make its API freely
>> available to all developers to include.  TextExpander gained enormous
>> popularity that way, and even though we have alternative ways to input
>> text now, and dictation works even for languages where typing accented
>> characters used to be extra work, I still find that any really good text
>> editing app will have support for TextExpander (and Dropbox) built in.
>>
>> HTH.  Just my thoughts. YMMV.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
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Re: (what Fleksy means for us) was Re: Fleksy

[Andrea Breier]

I saw a post the other day letting everyone know about another app like Fleksy. 
It is called message in the dark. It is listed for one dollar and ninety nine 
cents. I know nothing about it, but found it interesting. 

Hugs, 
Andrea m. Breier
Sent from my iPhone

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> today about Fleksy:
> http://www.tuaw.com/2012/08/20/fleksy-is-an-alternate-text-input-tool-for-the-visually-impaired/
> 
> Not a lot of details, but it does show there's broader interest in this kind 
> of app.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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Re: (what Fleksy means for us) was Re: Fleksy

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi Dónal

Just to throw in my two cents also.

Fleksy is a nice application because it lets you type incredibly fast, and this 
even applies to when VoiceOver is off for sighted users. Sighted users don't 
have to focus as much on what they're typing if they already know how to 
touch-type, and it makes their typing speed infinitely better. Also, because 
APIs exist which allow certain areas of the screen to accept regular gestures, 
Fleksy being a case where this is used, this could technically be incorporated 
into iOS as a global keyboard method. However, incorporating this globally 
isn't as easy as it would be with a simple keyboard that does not exist in iOS, 
such as the Emoji keyboard in iOS 4 because Developers need to have certain 
APIs sandboxed or create an SDK, which Fleksy has done. In this case, Apple 
would need to make it happen if you wanted something like this to be globally 
available. Installing an application which lets you select its input method as 
a keyboard in any text field is one thing, but this is a completely different 
approach.

As for OS X, lots of bugs still exist. However, speaking from the perspective 
of someone who submits them and actively receives feedback on them when 
something changes, it sometimes takes months for Apple to review the bugs you 
send in. When they do review them and get back to you in detail, they often 
tell you to reproduce it again in hope of the issue being fixed, or say that 
they cannot reproduce it. It gets a lot more complicated when they can't 
reproduce it, because a lot of bugs are sometimes machine-specific, or depend 
on your configuration. If they depend on your configuration, it also depends on 
how VoiceOVer is configured, how you installed OS X as well as how you modified 
the application exhibiting the behaviour. Logs don't always tell you 
everything. Secondly, fixing one bug sometimes breaks something else, which is 
very common. I will say that some of these bugs have been around for a very 
long time, and some features purely don't exist when they should be available. 
Obviously, this just means Apple's engineers need to focus a bit more on the 
smaller bugs which eventually add up and become very annoying. Every time I've 
talked to their engineers, the critical  bugs seem to be  the most important 
ones. This is understandable, but the issue seems to be that when a lot of 
these bugs have been ironed out, the smaller bugs are left to grow. Some of 
them are just difficult to deal with, such as the issue with page loading which 
is apparently a bug that is very hard to fix. That bug is just one example 
though, because some of those bugs are not so easy to fix if you understand the 
technical aspects. I mention that because some people find a bug and figure 
it'll be very easy to fix when it seems like a small glitch, but what a good 
part of users don't realise is that a lot of these issues are interconnected. 
Fix one thing, and you might break another. Again, the page loading is a good 
example here.

In the past, I have also mentioned issues that I have had which have not 
plagued everyone else on the list who responded to my problem. This is another 
case in point.

Just to clarify. I'm not defending Apple, because I think, too, that some of 
these bugs at least need to be put down and fixed even though Apple already 
knows about them. That having been said, your note about "extensions" worries 
me. I see two sides to this, however, and that is firstly that it can be an 
advantage, at least in the case of OS X. OS X is  a lot more open than iOS 
because it doesn't limit you in the case of modifications if you know how, and 
this also includes VoiceOVer. iOS is different because everything relies on 
Sandboxing unless you jailbreak. My concern about extensions, though, is that 
people might become dependent on them. Plugging in to the screen reader makes 
me think of JAWS on the Windows side where everything is scripted and you can 
make changes to an application through scripts to make it easier to use. 
Depending on what you'd use extensions for, I wouldn't consider them a benefit 
personally. You can already use AppleScript to make some tasks easier, but 
they're not direct extensions or modifications to VoiceOVer. You can extend 
VoiceOVer's features if you know how to do it, but it's painstaking and 
requires a lot of effort to get to what you want. For instance, you can get 
tables to read properly in any application which uses them by plugging in to 
the right frameworks, but by making use of VoiceOVer-specific technology which 
Apple does not leak on the Developer website.

I'm speaking  as someone who's had intimate experience with VoiceOVer, and keep 
in mind I'm not at all slamming your post. I actually agree, but it's worth 
getting both sides.

Regards,
Nicolai
On Aug 21, 2012, at 12:24 AM, 

Re: (what Fleksy means for us) was Re: Fleksy

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Esther,

Absolutely everything you say is spot on and I guess I didn't make my meaning 
clear.  I wasn't having a pop at Fleksy; far from it.  Rather I was bemoaning 
the stagnation and lack of enhancements in Apple's own work over the past 
number of years.  In a properly architected system fleksy could be incorporated 
as an add-on.

I also think you're right in terms of the algorithm.  It seems to draw vectors 
from point-to-point thus giving the word selection.  Nothing remotely 
rocket-science in it, but very nice all the same.  Still not buying it though! 
*smile*
On 21 Aug 2012, at 02:04, Esther  wrote:

> Hi Dónal and Others,
> 
> First off, there are a number of predictive typing apps available for people 
> who want to take advantage of this on the virtual keyboard of iOS devices.  
> There are also applications like TextExpander, which make input of text on 
> computers and iOS devices more efficient by custom snippet definitions, 
> whether using the virtual keyboard or a hardware keyboard, and go way beyond 
> simple text substitution.  These are not blindness specific.
> 
> I think that the predictive algorithm that Fleksy uses is more sophisticated 
> than the explanation you gave Travis, but I don't know this for a fact.  I'd 
> guess that it uses relative position changes -- so if you weren't certain of 
> the absolute position of letters on the screen, but still knew that "e" and 
> "r" are in the same row, but that "n" is way below and to the right, you'd 
> still get a match.  So, if you placed the phone on a flat table and tried to 
> type -- not that I ever use the iPhone this way -- and if you got the 
> approximate spatial relationships between keys correct, but not the absolute 
> position of the bottom row of keys, you would still get good matches to the 
> word predictions.
> 
> There are many cases where even people with good spatial awareness might have 
> difficulty typing on the virtual keyboard.  For example, one of the arguments 
> for the TypeInBraille app was that there were situations like trying to enter 
> text on a moving bus where it can be difficult to type letters with 
> precision.   Also, depending on how steady your touch is (e.g., tremors due 
> to various conditions, especially ones that might be age-related, such as 
> Parkinson's disease), you might benefit from such an application.
> 
> Fleksy is an app where increased use is likely to provide increased gains in 
> the efficiency advantage.  I find that I still spend a bit too much energy in 
> the swipes to enter words.  Also, the basic dictionary may not be matched to 
> what you need to write, so the ability to import/export words that was added 
> is a help.  My first experience trying to speed type "famous documents and 
> quotations" from memory hit an immediate vocabulary related snag when the 
> fairly common words were just not common enough to be recognized by the 
> algorithm until I entered them exactly and added them to the dictionary.
> 
> Fleksy could take the route that TextExpander did, and make its API freely 
> available to all developers to include.  TextExpander gained enormous 
> popularity that way, and even though we have alternative ways to input text 
> now, and dictation works even for languages where typing accented characters 
> used to be extra work, I still find that any really good text editing app 
> will have support for TextExpander (and Dropbox) built in.
> 
> HTH.  Just my thoughts. YMMV.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther  
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Re: (what Fleksy means for us) was Re: Fleksy

[Esther]

Interesting that there's now a TUAW (The Unofficial Apple Weblog) article today 
about Fleksy:
http://www.tuaw.com/2012/08/20/fleksy-is-an-alternate-text-input-tool-for-the-visually-impaired/

Not a lot of details, but it does show there's broader interest in this kind of 
app.

Cheers,

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Re: (what Fleksy means for us) was Re: Fleksy

[Esther]

Hi Dónal and Others,

First off, there are a number of predictive typing apps available for people 
who want to take advantage of this on the virtual keyboard of iOS devices.  
There are also applications like TextExpander, which make input of text on 
computers and iOS devices more efficient by custom snippet definitions, whether 
using the virtual keyboard or a hardware keyboard, and go way beyond simple 
text substitution.  These are not blindness specific.

I think that the predictive algorithm that Fleksy uses is more sophisticated 
than the explanation you gave Travis, but I don't know this for a fact.  I'd 
guess that it uses relative position changes -- so if you weren't certain of 
the absolute position of letters on the screen, but still knew that "e" and "r" 
are in the same row, but that "n" is way below and to the right, you'd still 
get a match.  So, if you placed the phone on a flat table and tried to type -- 
not that I ever use the iPhone this way -- and if you got the approximate 
spatial relationships between keys correct, but not the absolute position of 
the bottom row of keys, you would still get good matches to the word 
predictions.

There are many cases where even people with good spatial awareness might have 
difficulty typing on the virtual keyboard.  For example, one of the arguments 
for the TypeInBraille app was that there were situations like trying to enter 
text on a moving bus where it can be difficult to type letters with precision.  
 Also, depending on how steady your touch is (e.g., tremors due to various 
conditions, especially ones that might be age-related, such as Parkinson's 
disease), you might benefit from such an application.

Fleksy is an app where increased use is likely to provide increased gains in 
the efficiency advantage.  I find that I still spend a bit too much energy in 
the swipes to enter words.  Also, the basic dictionary may not be matched to 
what you need to write, so the ability to import/export words that was added is 
a help.  My first experience trying to speed type "famous documents and 
quotations" from memory hit an immediate vocabulary related snag when the 
fairly common words were just not common enough to be recognized by the 
algorithm until I entered them exactly and added them to the dictionary.

Fleksy could take the route that TextExpander did, and make its API freely 
available to all developers to include.  TextExpander gained enormous 
popularity that way, and even though we have alternative ways to input text 
now, and dictation works even for languages where typing accented characters 
used to be extra work, I still find that any really good text editing app will 
have support for TextExpander (and Dropbox) built in.

HTH.  Just my thoughts. YMMV.

Cheers,

Esther  
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Re: (what Fleksy means for us) was Re: Fleksy

[josh gregory]

Aggreed. That's the pretense in a lot of technology and what we do today.

On 8/20/12, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> no question Josh.  But my fear is that Apple thinks it has done all it needs
> to for those of us who are blind and need to access these devices.  They
> have responded to the need to provide accessibility by developing voiceover.
>  Yep it's free, generally usable and ticks oh I'd say, 85% of the boxes.  I
> just think they still can refine it.  Fleksy is just such a refinement.
>
> Let's just say I've heard enough skuttlebut which would indicate that blind
> users aren't a priority, and that other disabilities are.  I believe the job
> isn't finished.
>
> Dónal
> On 20 Aug 2012, at 23:47, josh gregory  wrote:
>
>> Ok I get what you're saying, but, it's better than Windows where you
>> have to use Narrator to get a screen reader from the Internet. Now i'm
>> not bashing windows, it's still good for what Vo can't do. But I just
>> think vo is more universally accessible.
>>
>> On 8/20/12, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:
>>> Travis,
>>>
>>> I've played with the free app and personally have no intention of paying
>>> the
>>> "blind tax" that seems to be on these apps.  However I'll also add that
>>> I've
>>> begun to chat with the developers (*smile* as a result of a mildly
>>> offensive
>>> and rather negative tweet about the app) and they are very nice guys who
>>> are
>>> extremely committed to what they are doing.
>>>
>>> Wearing my usability hat for a second, I think what they're trying to do
>>> makes sense.  I don't know about you, but I don't hit letters accurately
>>> 100% of the time.  So in essence all they are doing is building in error
>>> correction for inaccurate keypresses.  That's an over simplification but
>>> in
>>> essence that's how I see it.  Now from the standpoint of the research,
>>> taken
>>> heuristically as it were, that makes sense to me.  Allowing the device
>>> to
>>> "assist" or "second guess" the user for whom traditional input doesn't
>>> quite
>>> work is a good idea.
>>>
>>> Where it falls down in my view is the fact that this input method isn't
>>> available globally.  So one cannot, as it were, select the "fleksy
>>> keyboard"
>>> as opposed to apple's own variants.  As an aside, they tell me that
>>> developers can in fact incorporate their work into their apps and they
>>> have
>>> had interest in this.
>>>
>>> What jumps out at me is that a software developer has seen a niche/gap
>>> in
>>> the market and filled it.  The reason, and again this is pure opinion on
>>> my
>>> part, is that voiceover (whether on IOS or the desktop platforms) has
>>> stagnated.  There, I've said it and now the apple fanboys/girls will no
>>> doubt create a strong rope made of iPhone cables with which to hang me
>>> from
>>> the nearest cellphone mast.  However, let's think about it.  We all
>>> (well
>>> certainly I and a number of my friends did) were delighted with the
>>> emergence of Alex, trackpad use, access to touchscreens etc.  However
>>> what's
>>> happened since?  We still have the same bugs, the gesture/keyboard
>>> interactions haven't been refined and software such as Pages, Numbers,
>>> Keynote and Preview still are not, in my opinion, usable to the extent
>>> they
>>> should be.
>>>
>>> So returning to Fleksy and what I think it shows.  I think it shows that
>>> Apple don't have the monopoly on ideas.  I think it shows the problems
>>> inherent in the design of voiceover on both mobile and desktop platforms
>>> in
>>> that developers cannot "plug in" to the screenreader and create
>>> extensions.
>>> That is bad, ladies and gentlemen because it means as long as we stick
>>> on
>>> Apple platforms, we've got to put up with what they give us and that,
>>> for
>>> the past few years hasn't been much.  I now expect the usual blind
>>> response
>>> of "oh but we should all be grateful to apple because. (blah blah)" and
>>> all
>>> of that is perfect true.  But how long do we have to remain grateful
>>> for?
>>> We're paying our money just like anyone else so should expect
&g

Re: (what Fleksy means for us) was Re: Fleksy

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

no question Josh.  But my fear is that Apple thinks it has done all it needs to 
for those of us who are blind and need to access these devices.  They have 
responded to the need to provide accessibility by developing voiceover.  Yep 
it's free, generally usable and ticks oh I'd say, 85% of the boxes.  I just 
think they still can refine it.  Fleksy is just such a refinement.

Let's just say I've heard enough skuttlebut which would indicate that blind 
users aren't a priority, and that other disabilities are.  I believe the job 
isn't finished.

Dónal
On 20 Aug 2012, at 23:47, josh gregory  wrote:

> Ok I get what you're saying, but, it's better than Windows where you
> have to use Narrator to get a screen reader from the Internet. Now i'm
> not bashing windows, it's still good for what Vo can't do. But I just
> think vo is more universally accessible.
> 
> On 8/20/12, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:
>> Travis,
>> 
>> I've played with the free app and personally have no intention of paying the
>> "blind tax" that seems to be on these apps.  However I'll also add that I've
>> begun to chat with the developers (*smile* as a result of a mildly offensive
>> and rather negative tweet about the app) and they are very nice guys who are
>> extremely committed to what they are doing.
>> 
>> Wearing my usability hat for a second, I think what they're trying to do
>> makes sense.  I don't know about you, but I don't hit letters accurately
>> 100% of the time.  So in essence all they are doing is building in error
>> correction for inaccurate keypresses.  That's an over simplification but in
>> essence that's how I see it.  Now from the standpoint of the research, taken
>> heuristically as it were, that makes sense to me.  Allowing the device to
>> "assist" or "second guess" the user for whom traditional input doesn't quite
>> work is a good idea.
>> 
>> Where it falls down in my view is the fact that this input method isn't
>> available globally.  So one cannot, as it were, select the "fleksy keyboard"
>> as opposed to apple's own variants.  As an aside, they tell me that
>> developers can in fact incorporate their work into their apps and they have
>> had interest in this.
>> 
>> What jumps out at me is that a software developer has seen a niche/gap in
>> the market and filled it.  The reason, and again this is pure opinion on my
>> part, is that voiceover (whether on IOS or the desktop platforms) has
>> stagnated.  There, I've said it and now the apple fanboys/girls will no
>> doubt create a strong rope made of iPhone cables with which to hang me from
>> the nearest cellphone mast.  However, let's think about it.  We all (well
>> certainly I and a number of my friends did) were delighted with the
>> emergence of Alex, trackpad use, access to touchscreens etc.  However what's
>> happened since?  We still have the same bugs, the gesture/keyboard
>> interactions haven't been refined and software such as Pages, Numbers,
>> Keynote and Preview still are not, in my opinion, usable to the extent they
>> should be.
>> 
>> So returning to Fleksy and what I think it shows.  I think it shows that
>> Apple don't have the monopoly on ideas.  I think it shows the problems
>> inherent in the design of voiceover on both mobile and desktop platforms in
>> that developers cannot "plug in" to the screenreader and create extensions.
>> That is bad, ladies and gentlemen because it means as long as we stick on
>> Apple platforms, we've got to put up with what they give us and that, for
>> the past few years hasn't been much.  I now expect the usual blind response
>> of "oh but we should all be grateful to apple because. (blah blah)" and all
>> of that is perfect true.  But how long do we have to remain grateful for?
>> We're paying our money just like anyone else so should expect improvements
>> in the user experience.  There are seven, yes only seven, new voiceover
>> features in mountain lion, and many bugs that have been there for years are
>> still there.  So yes I am delighted apple introduced a free screenreader,
>> but they're happy too as they have got money from me (and other blind users)
>> as a consequence that they otherwise wouldn't have received.
>> 
>> I could wax lyrical on some theoretical analysis I've done on all this but
>> most people would accuse me of being boring so I won't.
>> 
>> that's my few cents worth on Fleksy, apple an

Re: (what Fleksy means for us) was Re: Fleksy

[josh gregory]

Ok I get what you're saying, but, it's better than Windows where you
have to use Narrator to get a screen reader from the Internet. Now i'm
not bashing windows, it's still good for what Vo can't do. But I just
think vo is more universally accessible.

On 8/20/12, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> Travis,
>
> I've played with the free app and personally have no intention of paying the
> "blind tax" that seems to be on these apps.  However I'll also add that I've
> begun to chat with the developers (*smile* as a result of a mildly offensive
> and rather negative tweet about the app) and they are very nice guys who are
> extremely committed to what they are doing.
>
> Wearing my usability hat for a second, I think what they're trying to do
> makes sense.  I don't know about you, but I don't hit letters accurately
> 100% of the time.  So in essence all they are doing is building in error
> correction for inaccurate keypresses.  That's an over simplification but in
> essence that's how I see it.  Now from the standpoint of the research, taken
> heuristically as it were, that makes sense to me.  Allowing the device to
> "assist" or "second guess" the user for whom traditional input doesn't quite
> work is a good idea.
>
> Where it falls down in my view is the fact that this input method isn't
> available globally.  So one cannot, as it were, select the "fleksy keyboard"
> as opposed to apple's own variants.  As an aside, they tell me that
> developers can in fact incorporate their work into their apps and they have
> had interest in this.
>
> What jumps out at me is that a software developer has seen a niche/gap in
> the market and filled it.  The reason, and again this is pure opinion on my
> part, is that voiceover (whether on IOS or the desktop platforms) has
> stagnated.  There, I've said it and now the apple fanboys/girls will no
> doubt create a strong rope made of iPhone cables with which to hang me from
> the nearest cellphone mast.  However, let's think about it.  We all (well
> certainly I and a number of my friends did) were delighted with the
> emergence of Alex, trackpad use, access to touchscreens etc.  However what's
> happened since?  We still have the same bugs, the gesture/keyboard
> interactions haven't been refined and software such as Pages, Numbers,
> Keynote and Preview still are not, in my opinion, usable to the extent they
> should be.
>
> So returning to Fleksy and what I think it shows.  I think it shows that
> Apple don't have the monopoly on ideas.  I think it shows the problems
> inherent in the design of voiceover on both mobile and desktop platforms in
> that developers cannot "plug in" to the screenreader and create extensions.
> That is bad, ladies and gentlemen because it means as long as we stick on
> Apple platforms, we've got to put up with what they give us and that, for
> the past few years hasn't been much.  I now expect the usual blind response
> of "oh but we should all be grateful to apple because. (blah blah)" and all
> of that is perfect true.  But how long do we have to remain grateful for?
> We're paying our money just like anyone else so should expect improvements
> in the user experience.  There are seven, yes only seven, new voiceover
> features in mountain lion, and many bugs that have been there for years are
> still there.  So yes I am delighted apple introduced a free screenreader,
> but they're happy too as they have got money from me (and other blind users)
> as a consequence that they otherwise wouldn't have received.
>
> I could wax lyrical on some theoretical analysis I've done on all this but
> most people would accuse me of being boring so I won't.
>
> that's my few cents worth on Fleksy, apple and the world according to Garp.
>
> Dónal
> On 20 Aug 2012, at 22:09, Travis Siegel  wrote:
>
>> Ahh, Donald, an excellent summary of the app, and exactly what I needed.
>> I couldn't figure out from previous emails what the point was, so thanks
>> for that.
>> It does sound like it could be a useful app.  However, for now, I'll stick
>> with apple's method, I like it, and it works for me, and I'm relatively
>> quick, so I don't see a need to change everything now. :)
>> Yes, I'm a bit stuck in my ways. :)
>> Thanks for the explanation, it makes a whole lot of sense now.
>>
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(what Fleksy means for us) was Re: Fleksy

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Travis,

I've played with the free app and personally have no intention of paying the 
"blind tax" that seems to be on these apps.  However I'll also add that I've 
begun to chat with the developers (*smile* as a result of a mildly offensive 
and rather negative tweet about the app) and they are very nice guys who are 
extremely committed to what they are doing.

Wearing my usability hat for a second, I think what they're trying to do makes 
sense.  I don't know about you, but I don't hit letters accurately 100% of the 
time.  So in essence all they are doing is building in error correction for 
inaccurate keypresses.  That's an over simplification but in essence that's how 
I see it.  Now from the standpoint of the research, taken heuristically as it 
were, that makes sense to me.  Allowing the device to "assist" or "second 
guess" the user for whom traditional input doesn't quite work is a good idea.

Where it falls down in my view is the fact that this input method isn't 
available globally.  So one cannot, as it were, select the "fleksy keyboard" as 
opposed to apple's own variants.  As an aside, they tell me that developers can 
in fact incorporate their work into their apps and they have had interest in 
this.

What jumps out at me is that a software developer has seen a niche/gap in the 
market and filled it.  The reason, and again this is pure opinion on my part, 
is that voiceover (whether on IOS or the desktop platforms) has stagnated.  
There, I've said it and now the apple fanboys/girls will no doubt create a 
strong rope made of iPhone cables with which to hang me from the nearest 
cellphone mast.  However, let's think about it.  We all (well certainly I and a 
number of my friends did) were delighted with the emergence of Alex, trackpad 
use, access to touchscreens etc.  However what's happened since?  We still have 
the same bugs, the gesture/keyboard interactions haven't been refined and 
software such as Pages, Numbers, Keynote and Preview still are not, in my 
opinion, usable to the extent they should be.

So returning to Fleksy and what I think it shows.  I think it shows that Apple 
don't have the monopoly on ideas.  I think it shows the problems inherent in 
the design of voiceover on both mobile and desktop platforms in that developers 
cannot "plug in" to the screenreader and create extensions.  That is bad, 
ladies and gentlemen because it means as long as we stick on Apple platforms, 
we've got to put up with what they give us and that, for the past few years 
hasn't been much.  I now expect the usual blind response of "oh but we should 
all be grateful to apple because. (blah blah)" and all of that is perfect true. 
 But how long do we have to remain grateful for?  We're paying our money just 
like anyone else so should expect improvements in the user experience.  There 
are seven, yes only seven, new voiceover features in mountain lion, and many 
bugs that have been there for years are still there.  So yes I am delighted 
apple introduced a free screenreader, but they're happy too as they have got 
money from me (and other blind users) as a consequence that they otherwise 
wouldn't have received.

I could wax lyrical on some theoretical analysis I've done on all this but most 
people would accuse me of being boring so I won't.

that's my few cents worth on Fleksy, apple and the world according to Garp.

Dónal
On 20 Aug 2012, at 22:09, Travis Siegel  wrote:

> Ahh, Donald, an excellent summary of the app, and exactly what I needed.
> I couldn't figure out from previous emails what the point was, so thanks for 
> that.
> It does sound like it could be a useful app.  However, for now, I'll stick 
> with apple's method, I like it, and it works for me, and I'm relatively 
> quick, so I don't see a need to change everything now. :)
> Yes, I'm a bit stuck in my ways. :)
> Thanks for the explanation, it makes a whole lot of sense now.
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Re: Fleksy

[Travis Siegel]

Ahh, Donald, an excellent summary of the app, and exactly what I needed.
I couldn't figure out from previous emails what the point was, so  
thanks for that.
It does sound like it could be a useful app.  However, for now, I'll  
stick with apple's method, I like it, and it works for me, and I'm  
relatively quick, so I don't see a need to change everything now. :)

Yes, I'm a bit stuck in my ways. :)
Thanks for the explanation, it makes a whole lot of sense now.

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Re: Fleksy

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Travis,

First off I should state here that I've only used the free version of Fleksy 
and don't really see the need to buy the full version.  Before the fanboys jump 
on the band wagon, this isn't a criticism it's just I really couldn't be 
bothered paying for something I don't need.

Ok in traditional touch typing mode, one has to find the letter and then raise 
the finger.  The found letter is indicated by the audio feedback, provided by 
voiceover, of that letter.  Thus, if one is looking for "f" and hits "g" then 
one simply slides the finger to the left, hears "f" then raises the finger.  
Forgive me, I know you know all this I'm simply providing a starting point for 
my explanation.

Fleksy operates differently.  If we look at the letters of the alphabet as sort 
of a routemap for words, then one can assume that the letters are nodes in a 
network, with edges connecting them to other nodes in a system based on the 
rules of (in this case) English grammar.  Thus, j-h" doesn't have a connection 
as there is no word with this sequence.  (I'm excluding proper names for 
simplicity).  Ok so fleksy operates on this principle.  If you tap the keyboard 
in any given area (let's call them zones) the app makes a guess as to the 
subset of letters you want.  Again, if you pressed in the region of "f", then 
it might be d, g, r t e c v b.  So now it has 9 possible letters which you 
*might* mean.  Your subsequent presses (I.E., in a different "zone" narrow down 
the possibilities of which letter you meant in your first press.  This is 
further refined in subsequent presses.

In other words, I would guess that the x-y coordinates you tap on the screen 
are recorded, then the next one(s) recorded.  Based on these locations, you 
might get the word "final" or indeed "Donal", and you make your selection from 
the list of possible matches Fleksy detects.

The real speed gain is in that the blind user doesn't have to have 100% 
accuracy.  You can hit in the vicinity of "f", then the vicinity of "i" (etc) 
and then make the choice via a simple vertical swipe gesture which word you 
wish once you are finished.

I'm pretty accurate so for me there is no huge need for this, however I know 
blind people (among hthe few I do know in fact) who find it essential because 
their spatial awareness isn't wonderful.  They can, for example, want "v" and 
plonk their finger on "q".  NOw interestingly, I'm not sure how beneficial 
Fleksy is for these people but three in particular say it's very helpful.

Sorry for the length of this but hope this helps.  I should conclude by stating 
that I'm not involved in the development of the app, have no connection with 
it, so any algorithmic insights here are pure guesswork and are probably 
completely wide of the mark.

Cheers,

Dónal
On 19 Aug 2012, at 18:31, Travis Siegel  wrote:

> 
> On Aug 19, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Andrea Breier wrote:
> 
>> with fleksy. you touch type without sliding your finger on the screen. then 
>> lifting your finger when you hear the letter you want to type.  You type on 
>> the screen as if you can see the letters on the virtual keyboard.  Basically 
>> you tap the pattern of the word on the screen. then swipe your finger to the 
>> right. to listen to the word you typed.  If it is not correct on it's first 
>> guess. you
> 
> I don't see the difference between fleksy and apple's touch typing mode, 
> except that you can swipe to hear the word.
> Your description sounds just like the touch typing in touch typing mode.
> I'm obviously missing something.
> more explanation to help me understand would be appreciated.
> I can't see paying for functionality that already exists, though folks seem 
> to do this sort of thing all the time.
> help.
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Re: Fleksy

[Andrea Breier]

I am sorry.  What I tried to explain. is that you do not need to wait to 
hear the letter. from vo. you are touching.  you just type.  and go right on 
to the next letter.If you are going to type the word salad. for example. you 
would touch where the s is located on the screen. but do not worry about if 
you are exactly on the letter s or not. then touch the letter a. that is 
located just a tiny bit to the left of where you touched the screen for the 
letter s. Between typing the s .and the a. your finger is not on the screen 
at all.  Your finger is on the screen for just a fraction of a second to 
touch each letter.  Fleksy guesses what word you are trying to type by the 
pattern of where you touched on the screen.  You might actually be typing 
the letters dspsd. but because of the pattern of where you tapped out. 
fleksy guesses salad.  I hope this doesn't make you more confused.  you can 
listen to David Woodbrdge's demo

podcast on www.applevis.com or within the podcast section of iBlink radio on
your iOS device.




Hugs,
Andrea M. Breier
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From: Travis Siegel

Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 12:31 PM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Fleksy


On Aug 19, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Andrea Breier wrote:

with fleksy. you touch type without sliding your finger on the  screen. 
then lifting your finger when you hear the letter you want  to type.  You 
type on the screen as if you can see the letters on  the virtual keyboard. 
Basically you tap the pattern of the word on  the screen. then swipe your 
finger to the right. to listen to the  word you typed.  If it is not 
correct on it's first guess. you


I don't see the difference between fleksy and apple's touch typing
mode, except that you can swipe to hear the word.
Your description sounds just like the touch typing in touch typing mode.
I'm obviously missing something.
more explanation to help me understand would be appreciated.
I can't see paying for functionality that already exists, though
folks seem to do this sort of thing all the time.
help.

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Re: Fleksy

[Ed Worrell]

Hello Travis, with Flleksy you don't have to wait for the characters to be 
announced, which makes the typing much faster. I use this to respond to text 
messages and send emails.You can also copy and paste the text into a different 
app,  I have not used this feature.

hth

Ed
On Aug 19, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Travis Siegel  wrote:

> 
> On Aug 19, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Andrea Breier wrote:
> 
>> with fleksy. you touch type without sliding your finger on the screen. then 
>> lifting your finger when you hear the letter you want to type.  You type on 
>> the screen as if you can see the letters on the virtual keyboard.  Basically 
>> you tap the pattern of the word on the screen. then swipe your finger to the 
>> right. to listen to the word you typed.  If it is not correct on it's first 
>> guess. you
> 
> I don't see the difference between fleksy and apple's touch typing mode, 
> except that you can swipe to hear the word.
> Your description sounds just like the touch typing in touch typing mode.
> I'm obviously missing something.
> more explanation to help me understand would be appreciated.
> I can't see paying for functionality that already exists, though folks seem 
> to do this sort of thing all the time.
> help.
> 
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Re: Fleksy

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On Aug 19, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Andrea Breier wrote:

with fleksy. you touch type without sliding your finger on the  
screen. then lifting your finger when you hear the letter you want  
to type.  You type on the screen as if you can see the letters on  
the virtual keyboard.  Basically you tap the pattern of the word on  
the screen. then swipe your finger to the right. to listen to the  
word you typed.  If it is not correct on it's first guess. you


I don't see the difference between fleksy and apple's touch typing  
mode, except that you can swipe to hear the word.

Your description sounds just like the touch typing in touch typing mode.
I'm obviously missing something.
more explanation to help me understand would be appreciated.
I can't see paying for functionality that already exists, though  
folks seem to do this sort of thing all the time.

help.

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Re: Fleksy

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with fleksy. you touch type without sliding your finger on the screen. then 
lifting your finger when you hear the letter you want to type.  You type on 
the screen as if you can see the letters on the virtual keyboard.  Basically 
you tap the pattern of the word on the screen. then swipe your finger to the 
right. to listen to the word you typed.  If it is not correct on it's first 
guess. you can flick your finger down through a list of suggestions.  I paid 
$15 for it when it first came out. and I liked the app. but feel that they 
wanted to much money for it.  The $5 they want for it now. is totally worth 
it.  I would recommend starting with the free trial. I have a few friends 
that had to buy it to try it when it first came out. and they had trouble 
with typing in patterns. they evidently need conformation from vo to type 
accurately.





Hugs,
Andrea M. Breier
-Original Message- 
From: Travis Siegel

Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 10:44 AM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Fleksy

What's the difference between fleksy and normal apple's touch typing
mode?
When I use my ipod, Ihave it set to touch typing mode, and I just
touch the screen near where the letter is, and just move my finger
around until it's on the proper letter, then lift the finger, and
poof, letter is typed.
Is fleksy different?
I'm pretty good with the apple input mode, so not sure I want to
switch to something else now, but one never knows..

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Re: Fleksy

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What's the difference between fleksy and normal apple's touch typing  
mode?
When I use my ipod, Ihave it set to touch typing mode, and I just  
touch the screen near where the letter is, and just move my finger  
around until it's on the proper letter, then lift the finger, and  
poof, letter is typed.

Is fleksy different?
I'm pretty good with the apple input mode, so not sure I want to  
switch to something else now, but one never knows..


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Fleksy and Elements iOS apps on sale

[Esther]

Hi All, 

This post got stuck in limbo when mail services went down yesterday, so it's 
old news, but is still in effect.

Fleksy, the predictive typing app that was previously discussed on list, is 
currently on sale for $4.99 (down from the normal price of $14.99)  The current 
version is free for trial, and you have to upgrade to the full features (so you 
can send what you type to mail, messages, etc.) through an in-app purchase (now 
$4.99 instead of $14.99 for an unknown time).

• Fleksy - Happy Typing (free, but in-app purchase is currently $4.99 instead 
of $14.99) by Syntellia
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fleksy-happy-typing/id520337246?mt=8

Elements is a text editor application with Dropbox, Markdown, and Textexpander 
support.  It normally costs $4.99, but in celebration of its second birthday 
(August 17), it is being sold for $1.99 for two days. It was the subject of an 
"All with my iPhone" podcast by Cory Ballard that you can listen to at:
http://allwithmyiphone.com/2010/11/ep02/

• Elements For Dropbox - A Markdown Notes and Writing App ($1.99 until 8/19, 
usually $4.99) by Second Gear
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fleksy-happy-typing/id520337246?mt=8

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

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Re: Fleksy

[Ian McNamara]

Hi, I use one finger of one hand. I hold the phone in portrait in my left hand 
with the screen sort of flat then I use the index finger of my write hand to 
type. I have become pretty quick and a lot of the time I do get the write word 
or at least very close. This app has really opened the door to typing on touch 
screen devices. I just wish apple would allow this app to somehow be integrated 
in to the OS providing the person has bought the app first. I would not like 
the developers of Fleksy to loose money as they've done a great job developing 
this. I would say this is one of the best apps that has come on the iPhone 
market for blind people.

Ian McNamara
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Re: Fleksy

[Jane]

I use both index fingers in portrait mode. I haven't tried landscape mode.  I 
am so enjoying Fleksy, even though all I can do is type and review text right 
now.

Jane




On Aug 10, 2012, at 9:22 PM, Rose Waagan wrote:

> I don't think anyone does proper touch typing with the iPhone. Sighted people 
> might have a go at it with their phones in landscape, but I can't imagine 
> that being too enjoyable. As for me, I type with two fingers. I use one from 
> each hand. Most people who type this way use two thumbs. I use my left index 
> finger and my right thumb. Might sound a bit weird, but I like how I can 
> almost hold the phone in one hand. 
> Hope that helps. 
> rose
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 10, 2012, at 5:32 PM, "Andrea Breier"  wrote:
> 
>> You do not have to type two handed.  You can just use one finger to touch 
>> where you think the letters should be, then swipe to the right to listed to 
>> what it thinks you put.  It it is wrong, but close, you can flick down 
>> through a list of choices.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hugs,
>> Andrea M. Breier
>> -Original Message- From: Sean Murphy
>> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 6:17 PM
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: Fleksy
>> 
>> Hello All.
>> 
>> I think the App is a good solution. The only problem I have is that my hands 
>> are to large to do proper  touch typing when using my IPhone4.
>> Still need to play with it more with and without my case to see if there is 
>> a better experience.
>> 
>> 
>> Sean On 11/08/2012, at 12:52 AM, Chris (gmail) wrote:
>> 
>>> I know what you mean. Sometimes I send messages from the messages app, 
>>> other times I use Fleksy or even TypeInBraille. Just depends on what I feel 
>>> like grins.
>>> 
>>> On 10/08/2012 13:07, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, I do know that. That's what I'm doing, but sometimes when I seem to 
>>>> need it most it still loads even when running for me. Of course, that may 
>>>> depend on the application state of Fleksy, because potentially inactive 
>>>> apps may sometimes quit.
>>>> 
>>>> Practically everyone I know is sighted, or don't have iPhones, so even 
>>>> though Fleksy would be useful for sighted people too as I explained in a 
>>>> second message, no one here is really using it. This is partly because 
>>>> Fleksy currently has no international dictionaries, though I know they're 
>>>> working on it. So, even when I text internationally and Fleksy is useful, 
>>>> I still have to go into a separate message since it doesn't seem to 
>>>> integrate with iMessage. So, I like Fleksy because even without VoiceOver 
>>>> I can type faster than I can on the regular keyboard because I don't have 
>>>> to be quite as accurate, but switch to another application to send 
>>>> messages to people. This isn't a particular problem, just not always worth 
>>>> it for me unless I'm the one texting first.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Nicolai
>>>> On Aug 10, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "Chris (gmail)"  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Did you know that you can leave the app running and not only will it save 
>>>>> loading time it will have no affect on the battery. Did you also know 
>>>>> that once you have typed your text and you press and hold the screen 
>>>>> above the keyboard you can double tap message and use the text directly 
>>>>> in a new message? You can also reply to messages directly so long as the 
>>>>> message was originally sent with Fleksy. Hope these all help.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 10/08/2012 11:43, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> yeah, I've used it. I'm slightly impressed, but not enough to use it 
>>>>>> whenever I type. I text often, so I usually just end up sliding to reply 
>>>>>> when it comes in on the lock screen and typing away. That's more 
>>>>>> convenient than waiting for Fleksy to load more times than I think it 
>>>>>> should, especially because they told me that it only will when you 
>>>>>> reboot the phone. It doesn't though.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So, that's my biggest gripe so far. The new update does work quite well, 
>>&

Re: Fleksy

[Rose Waagan]

I don't think anyone does proper touch typing with the iPhone. Sighted people 
might have a go at it with their phones in landscape, but I can't imagine that 
being too enjoyable. As for me, I type with two fingers. I use one from each 
hand. Most people who type this way use two thumbs. I use my left index finger 
and my right thumb. Might sound a bit weird, but I like how I can almost hold 
the phone in one hand. 
Hope that helps. 
rose

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 10, 2012, at 5:32 PM, "Andrea Breier"  wrote:

> You do not have to type two handed.  You can just use one finger to touch 
> where you think the letters should be, then swipe to the right to listed to 
> what it thinks you put.  It it is wrong, but close, you can flick down 
> through a list of choices.
> 
> 
> 
> Hugs,
> Andrea M. Breier
> -Original Message- From: Sean Murphy
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 6:17 PM
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: Fleksy
> 
> Hello All.
> 
> I think the App is a good solution. The only problem I have is that my hands 
> are to large to do proper  touch typing when using my IPhone4.
> Still need to play with it more with and without my case to see if there is a 
> better experience.
> 
> 
> Sean On 11/08/2012, at 12:52 AM, Chris (gmail) wrote:
> 
>> I know what you mean. Sometimes I send messages from the messages app, other 
>> times I use Fleksy or even TypeInBraille. Just depends on what I feel like 
>> grins.
>> 
>> On 10/08/2012 13:07, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yes, I do know that. That's what I'm doing, but sometimes when I seem to 
>>> need it most it still loads even when running for me. Of course, that may 
>>> depend on the application state of Fleksy, because potentially inactive 
>>> apps may sometimes quit.
>>> 
>>> Practically everyone I know is sighted, or don't have iPhones, so even 
>>> though Fleksy would be useful for sighted people too as I explained in a 
>>> second message, no one here is really using it. This is partly because 
>>> Fleksy currently has no international dictionaries, though I know they're 
>>> working on it. So, even when I text internationally and Fleksy is useful, I 
>>> still have to go into a separate message since it doesn't seem to integrate 
>>> with iMessage. So, I like Fleksy because even without VoiceOver I can type 
>>> faster than I can on the regular keyboard because I don't have to be quite 
>>> as accurate, but switch to another application to send messages to people. 
>>> This isn't a particular problem, just not always worth it for me unless I'm 
>>> the one texting first.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nicolai
>>> On Aug 10, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "Chris (gmail)"  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Did you know that you can leave the app running and not only will it save 
>>>> loading time it will have no affect on the battery. Did you also know that 
>>>> once you have typed your text and you press and hold the screen above the 
>>>> keyboard you can double tap message and use the text directly in a new 
>>>> message? You can also reply to messages directly so long as the message 
>>>> was originally sent with Fleksy. Hope these all help.
>>>> 
>>>> On 10/08/2012 11:43, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> yeah, I've used it. I'm slightly impressed, but not enough to use it 
>>>>> whenever I type. I text often, so I usually just end up sliding to reply 
>>>>> when it comes in on the lock screen and typing away. That's more 
>>>>> convenient than waiting for Fleksy to load more times than I think it 
>>>>> should, especially because they told me that it only will when you reboot 
>>>>> the phone. It doesn't though.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, that's my biggest gripe so far. The new update does work quite well, 
>>>>> and it's a nice solution for typing and would be great if Apple decided 
>>>>> to implement this as an alternative input method, but I can't be bothered 
>>>>> to wait for it to load or bring it up to type what I want then switch 
>>>>> back to Messages. If it could integrate with threads so you could select 
>>>>> which one to attach the text to, then I'd love it. Even when I turn 
>>>>> VoiceOVer off and type regularly, I still can't type as fast as Fleksy 
>>

Re: Fleksy

[Andrea Breier]

You do not have to type two handed.  You can just use one finger to touch 
where you think the letters should be, then swipe to the right to listed to 
what it thinks you put.  It it is wrong, but close, you can flick down 
through a list of choices.




Hugs,
Andrea M. Breier
-Original Message- 
From: Sean Murphy

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 6:17 PM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Fleksy

Hello All.

I think the App is a good solution. The only problem I have is that my hands 
are to large to do proper  touch typing when using my IPhone4.
Still need to play with it more with and without my case to see if there is 
a better experience.



Sean On 11/08/2012, at 12:52 AM, Chris (gmail) wrote:

I know what you mean. Sometimes I send messages from the messages app, 
other times I use Fleksy or even TypeInBraille. Just depends on what I 
feel like grins.


On 10/08/2012 13:07, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi,

Yes, I do know that. That's what I'm doing, but sometimes when I seem to 
need it most it still loads even when running for me. Of course, that may 
depend on the application state of Fleksy, because potentially inactive 
apps may sometimes quit.


Practically everyone I know is sighted, or don't have iPhones, so even 
though Fleksy would be useful for sighted people too as I explained in a 
second message, no one here is really using it. This is partly because 
Fleksy currently has no international dictionaries, though I know they're 
working on it. So, even when I text internationally and Fleksy is useful, 
I still have to go into a separate message since it doesn't seem to 
integrate with iMessage. So, I like Fleksy because even without VoiceOver 
I can type faster than I can on the regular keyboard because I don't have 
to be quite as accurate, but switch to another application to send 
messages to people. This isn't a particular problem, just not always 
worth it for me unless I'm the one texting first.


Regards,
Nicolai
On Aug 10, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "Chris (gmail)"  
wrote:


Did you know that you can leave the app running and not only will it 
save loading time it will have no affect on the battery. Did you also 
know that once you have typed your text and you press and hold the 
screen above the keyboard you can double tap message and use the text 
directly in a new message? You can also reply to messages directly so 
long as the message was originally sent with Fleksy. Hope these all 
help.


On 10/08/2012 11:43, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi,

yeah, I've used it. I'm slightly impressed, but not enough to use it 
whenever I type. I text often, so I usually just end up sliding to 
reply when it comes in on the lock screen and typing away. That's more 
convenient than waiting for Fleksy to load more times than I think it 
should, especially because they told me that it only will when you 
reboot the phone. It doesn't though.


So, that's my biggest gripe so far. The new update does work quite 
well, and it's a nice solution for typing and would be great if Apple 
decided to implement this as an alternative input method, but I can't 
be bothered to wait for it to load or bring it up to type what I want 
then switch back to Messages. If it could integrate with threads so you 
could select which one to attach the text to, then I'd love it. Even 
when I turn VoiceOVer off and type regularly, I still can't type as 
fast as Fleksy allows me to type.


Regards,
Nicolai
On Aug 10, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Chris (gmail)  
wrote:



Hello all.
Some of you may be using this app already, but thought I would spread 
the word about it now a major new update has hit the app store. To 
find out more, click on the following link.

http://fleksy.com/2012/08/09/fleksy-major-update-now-free-to-try/
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I just use one finger to type with Fleksy. I love it a lot and it's a fantastic 
app.

Ian McNamara
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Re: Fleksy

[Sean Murphy]

Hello All.

I think the App is a good solution. The only problem I have is that my hands 
are to large to do proper  touch typing when using my IPhone4. 
Still need to play with it more with and without my case to see if there is a 
better experience.


Sean On 11/08/2012, at 12:52 AM, Chris (gmail) wrote:

> I know what you mean. Sometimes I send messages from the messages app, other 
> times I use Fleksy or even TypeInBraille. Just depends on what I feel like 
> grins.
> 
> On 10/08/2012 13:07, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes, I do know that. That's what I'm doing, but sometimes when I seem to 
>> need it most it still loads even when running for me. Of course, that may 
>> depend on the application state of Fleksy, because potentially inactive apps 
>> may sometimes quit.
>> 
>> Practically everyone I know is sighted, or don't have iPhones, so even 
>> though Fleksy would be useful for sighted people too as I explained in a 
>> second message, no one here is really using it. This is partly because 
>> Fleksy currently has no international dictionaries, though I know they're 
>> working on it. So, even when I text internationally and Fleksy is useful, I 
>> still have to go into a separate message since it doesn't seem to integrate 
>> with iMessage. So, I like Fleksy because even without VoiceOver I can type 
>> faster than I can on the regular keyboard because I don't have to be quite 
>> as accurate, but switch to another application to send messages to people. 
>> This isn't a particular problem, just not always worth it for me unless I'm 
>> the one texting first.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nicolai
>> On Aug 10, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "Chris (gmail)"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Did you know that you can leave the app running and not only will it save 
>>> loading time it will have no affect on the battery. Did you also know that 
>>> once you have typed your text and you press and hold the screen above the 
>>> keyboard you can double tap message and use the text directly in a new 
>>> message? You can also reply to messages directly so long as the message was 
>>> originally sent with Fleksy. Hope these all help.
>>> 
>>> On 10/08/2012 11:43, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> yeah, I've used it. I'm slightly impressed, but not enough to use it 
>>>> whenever I type. I text often, so I usually just end up sliding to reply 
>>>> when it comes in on the lock screen and typing away. That's more 
>>>> convenient than waiting for Fleksy to load more times than I think it 
>>>> should, especially because they told me that it only will when you reboot 
>>>> the phone. It doesn't though.
>>>> 
>>>> So, that's my biggest gripe so far. The new update does work quite well, 
>>>> and it's a nice solution for typing and would be great if Apple decided to 
>>>> implement this as an alternative input method, but I can't be bothered to 
>>>> wait for it to load or bring it up to type what I want then switch back to 
>>>> Messages. If it could integrate with threads so you could select which one 
>>>> to attach the text to, then I'd love it. Even when I turn VoiceOVer off 
>>>> and type regularly, I still can't type as fast as Fleksy allows me to type.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Nicolai
>>>> On Aug 10, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Chris (gmail)  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello all.
>>>>> Some of you may be using this app already, but thought I would spread the 
>>>>> word about it now a major new update has hit the app store. To find out 
>>>>> more, click on the following link.
>>>>> http://fleksy.com/2012/08/09/fleksy-major-update-now-free-to-try/
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Re: Fleksy

[Chris (gmail)]

I know what you mean. Sometimes I send messages from the messages app, 
other times I use Fleksy or even TypeInBraille. Just depends on what I 
feel like grins.


On 10/08/2012 13:07, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi,

Yes, I do know that. That's what I'm doing, but sometimes when I seem to need 
it most it still loads even when running for me. Of course, that may depend on 
the application state of Fleksy, because potentially inactive apps may 
sometimes quit.

Practically everyone I know is sighted, or don't have iPhones, so even though 
Fleksy would be useful for sighted people too as I explained in a second 
message, no one here is really using it. This is partly because Fleksy 
currently has no international dictionaries, though I know they're working on 
it. So, even when I text internationally and Fleksy is useful, I still have to 
go into a separate message since it doesn't seem to integrate with iMessage. 
So, I like Fleksy because even without VoiceOver I can type faster than I can 
on the regular keyboard because I don't have to be quite as accurate, but 
switch to another application to send messages to people. This isn't a 
particular problem, just not always worth it for me unless I'm the one texting 
first.

Regards,
Nicolai
On Aug 10, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "Chris (gmail)"  wrote:


Did you know that you can leave the app running and not only will it save 
loading time it will have no affect on the battery. Did you also know that once 
you have typed your text and you press and hold the screen above the keyboard 
you can double tap message and use the text directly in a new message? You can 
also reply to messages directly so long as the message was originally sent with 
Fleksy. Hope these all help.

On 10/08/2012 11:43, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi,

yeah, I've used it. I'm slightly impressed, but not enough to use it whenever I 
type. I text often, so I usually just end up sliding to reply when it comes in 
on the lock screen and typing away. That's more convenient than waiting for 
Fleksy to load more times than I think it should, especially because they told 
me that it only will when you reboot the phone. It doesn't though.

So, that's my biggest gripe so far. The new update does work quite well, and 
it's a nice solution for typing and would be great if Apple decided to 
implement this as an alternative input method, but I can't be bothered to wait 
for it to load or bring it up to type what I want then switch back to Messages. 
If it could integrate with threads so you could select which one to attach the 
text to, then I'd love it. Even when I turn VoiceOVer off and type regularly, I 
still can't type as fast as Fleksy allows me to type.

Regards,
Nicolai
On Aug 10, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Chris (gmail)  wrote:


Hello all.
Some of you may be using this app already, but thought I would spread the word 
about it now a major new update has hit the app store. To find out more, click 
on the following link.
http://fleksy.com/2012/08/09/fleksy-major-update-now-free-to-try/
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Re: Fleksy

[Andrea Breier]

You do have to admit that the fleksy developers did do a major update.  And 
it is obvious that they were listening to their customers.  Short of adding 
their keyboard to
Apple's operating system, which they can't do, most things were addressed. 
I really like it that people can now try out how the keyboard works before 
having to purchase the app.  I personally know some people who bought it and 
are not able to use it.  Good work  over all Fleksy!!!


Hugs,
Andrea M. Breier
-Original Message- 
From: Chris (gmail)

Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 6:19 AM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Fleksy

Did you know that you can leave the app running and not only will it
save loading time it will have no affect on the battery. Did you also
know that once you have typed your text and you press and hold the
screen above the keyboard you can double tap message and use the text
directly in a new message? You can also reply to messages directly so
long as the message was originally sent with Fleksy. Hope these all help.

On 10/08/2012 11:43, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi,

yeah, I've used it. I'm slightly impressed, but not enough to use it 
whenever I type. I text often, so I usually just end up sliding to reply 
when it comes in on the lock screen and typing away. That's more 
convenient than waiting for Fleksy to load more times than I think it 
should, especially because they told me that it only will when you reboot 
the phone. It doesn't though.


So, that's my biggest gripe so far. The new update does work quite well, 
and it's a nice solution for typing and would be great if Apple decided to 
implement this as an alternative input method, but I can't be bothered to 
wait for it to load or bring it up to type what I want then switch back to 
Messages. If it could integrate with threads so you could select which one 
to attach the text to, then I'd love it. Even when I turn VoiceOVer off 
and type regularly, I still can't type as fast as Fleksy allows me to 
type.


Regards,
Nicolai
On Aug 10, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Chris (gmail)  
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Some of you may be using this app already, but thought I would spread the 
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Re: Fleksy

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

Yes, I do know that. That's what I'm doing, but sometimes when I seem to need 
it most it still loads even when running for me. Of course, that may depend on 
the application state of Fleksy, because potentially inactive apps may 
sometimes quit.

Practically everyone I know is sighted, or don't have iPhones, so even though 
Fleksy would be useful for sighted people too as I explained in a second 
message, no one here is really using it. This is partly because Fleksy 
currently has no international dictionaries, though I know they're working on 
it. So, even when I text internationally and Fleksy is useful, I still have to 
go into a separate message since it doesn't seem to integrate with iMessage. 
So, I like Fleksy because even without VoiceOver I can type faster than I can 
on the regular keyboard because I don't have to be quite as accurate, but 
switch to another application to send messages to people. This isn't a 
particular problem, just not always worth it for me unless I'm the one texting 
first.

Regards,
Nicolai
On Aug 10, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "Chris (gmail)"  wrote:

> Did you know that you can leave the app running and not only will it save 
> loading time it will have no affect on the battery. Did you also know that 
> once you have typed your text and you press and hold the screen above the 
> keyboard you can double tap message and use the text directly in a new 
> message? You can also reply to messages directly so long as the message was 
> originally sent with Fleksy. Hope these all help.
> 
> On 10/08/2012 11:43, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> yeah, I've used it. I'm slightly impressed, but not enough to use it 
>> whenever I type. I text often, so I usually just end up sliding to reply 
>> when it comes in on the lock screen and typing away. That's more convenient 
>> than waiting for Fleksy to load more times than I think it should, 
>> especially because they told me that it only will when you reboot the phone. 
>> It doesn't though.
>> 
>> So, that's my biggest gripe so far. The new update does work quite well, and 
>> it's a nice solution for typing and would be great if Apple decided to 
>> implement this as an alternative input method, but I can't be bothered to 
>> wait for it to load or bring it up to type what I want then switch back to 
>> Messages. If it could integrate with threads so you could select which one 
>> to attach the text to, then I'd love it. Even when I turn VoiceOVer off and 
>> type regularly, I still can't type as fast as Fleksy allows me to type.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nicolai
>> On Aug 10, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Chris (gmail)  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello all.
>>> Some of you may be using this app already, but thought I would spread the 
>>> word about it now a major new update has hit the app store. To find out 
>>> more, click on the following link.
>>> http://fleksy.com/2012/08/09/fleksy-major-update-now-free-to-try/
>>> Happy typing!
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Re: Fleksy

[Chris (gmail)]

Did you know that you can leave the app running and not only will it 
save loading time it will have no affect on the battery. Did you also 
know that once you have typed your text and you press and hold the 
screen above the keyboard you can double tap message and use the text 
directly in a new message? You can also reply to messages directly so 
long as the message was originally sent with Fleksy. Hope these all help.


On 10/08/2012 11:43, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi,

yeah, I've used it. I'm slightly impressed, but not enough to use it whenever I 
type. I text often, so I usually just end up sliding to reply when it comes in 
on the lock screen and typing away. That's more convenient than waiting for 
Fleksy to load more times than I think it should, especially because they told 
me that it only will when you reboot the phone. It doesn't though.

So, that's my biggest gripe so far. The new update does work quite well, and 
it's a nice solution for typing and would be great if Apple decided to 
implement this as an alternative input method, but I can't be bothered to wait 
for it to load or bring it up to type what I want then switch back to Messages. 
If it could integrate with threads so you could select which one to attach the 
text to, then I'd love it. Even when I turn VoiceOVer off and type regularly, I 
still can't type as fast as Fleksy allows me to type.

Regards,
Nicolai
On Aug 10, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Chris (gmail)  wrote:


Hello all.
Some of you may be using this app already, but thought I would spread the word 
about it now a major new update has hit the app store. To find out more, click 
on the following link.
http://fleksy.com/2012/08/09/fleksy-major-update-now-free-to-try/
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Re: Fleksy

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

yeah, I've used it. I'm slightly impressed, but not enough to use it whenever I 
type. I text often, so I usually just end up sliding to reply when it comes in 
on the lock screen and typing away. That's more convenient than waiting for 
Fleksy to load more times than I think it should, especially because they told 
me that it only will when you reboot the phone. It doesn't though.

So, that's my biggest gripe so far. The new update does work quite well, and 
it's a nice solution for typing and would be great if Apple decided to 
implement this as an alternative input method, but I can't be bothered to wait 
for it to load or bring it up to type what I want then switch back to Messages. 
If it could integrate with threads so you could select which one to attach the 
text to, then I'd love it. Even when I turn VoiceOVer off and type regularly, I 
still can't type as fast as Fleksy allows me to type.

Regards,
Nicolai
On Aug 10, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Chris (gmail)  wrote:

> Hello all.
> Some of you may be using this app already, but thought I would spread the 
> word about it now a major new update has hit the app store. To find out more, 
> click on the following link.
> http://fleksy.com/2012/08/09/fleksy-major-update-now-free-to-try/
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Re: Fleksy [Revisited]

[Gordon Smith]

Hi Chris

I'm sure that's true.  I'm not nocking him, just commenting that his audio on 
this particular podcast is very poor.  I know he's not a member of this group 
but I have his contact info.

Gordon

On 29 Jul 2012, at 20:46, Chris Moore  wrote:

Gordon,

I agree, David is very softly spoken and VO always seems to be much louder than 
himself.  It is my only criticism though as I feel he provides some excellent 
tutorials.

Chris 
On 29 Jul 2012, at 18:58, Gordon Smith  wrote:

> Hi Esther
> 
> Is it me, my system or have others also noticed that the audio on David's 
> podcasts is absolutely dreadful?  I can hardly hear what he's saying at 
> times.  The intro audio came over at normal volume so I don't think it is 
> something this end.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
> On 28 Jul 2012, at 23:21, Esther  wrote:
> 
> Hi Gordon and Others,
> 
> Just to correct the name of the author of the Fleksy podcast Dennis mentioned 
> as David "Woodbridge":
> • Fleksy release demo July 2012:
> http://davidwoodbr.podbean.com/2012/07/13/fleksy-release-demo-july-2012/
> Sarah also did a Fleksy podcast that you can listen to at:
> http://tffp.marrie.org/486
> 
> As Geoff stated, the updated help for the current version, which has 
> additional features for using symbols and corrections for some of the version 
> 1 limitations, support for import/export options, and a few other fixes, may 
> be found in the app.  Probably the most important information is to keep 
> typing without waiting to hear the letters announced and just assume that the 
> app will identify the word you typed in one of the selections that you flick 
> through.  Occasionally there will just be certain words that aren't in it's 
> dictionary, and you will have to slowly type and add these in. Or certain 
> long, and complicated words will better be entered if you carefully find the 
> first few letters, then revert to just "guessing" the positions of the other 
> letters. 
> 
> I think the current version is not really optimized for the iPad, and you'll 
> find if you explore the keyboard that the layout of the Fleksy keyboard 
> occupies a much larger portion of the screen than you're used to using, so 
> you have to "exaggerate" the placement of the keys in your touch gestures to 
> use this at present.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Dennis Freedman wrote:
> 
>> Hi Gordon
>> 
>> I hope you got my text message about the Podcast that David Bridgewood did, 
>> but I'm sure you'll find it if not.
>> 
>> Thanks to all, their replies were concise and should give you everything you 
>> need. But, having been there myself, perhaps a bit more explanation is 
>> needed, with apologies to others on the list.
>> 
>> I think it's the concept that is strange until you actually use it. After 
>> pressing the Home button three times to turn VoiceOver off, you have to 
>> imagine the blank screen is an invisible keyboard. Place your fingers where 
>> you think the qwerty keys home row should be, and, if you're a touch typist, 
>> go from there using all your fingers. I find it easier in Landscape mode so 
>> lock Fleksy in Landscape via the Fleksy Settings dialog in the main Settings 
>> app. But I know people who use Fleksy with only one or two fingers, 
>> 'guessing' roughly where the qwerty keys would be.
>> 
>> So you've turned VoiceOver off, got Fleksy in either Portrait or Landscape 
>> mode according to your preference. You can check you've got it right using 
>> the fact that a left flick will tell you there's no text to delete. (If the 
>> keyboard's the wrong way round, turn it round till a left flick boings at 
>> you to show no more text to delete).
>> Decide on whether you're going to actually touch type or use one or two 
>> fingers. Use a word like 'bananas' as it's a good pattern to start with.
>> 
>> With the bottom edge of the IPhone near you, imagine the Home row a little 
>> way up. So the B A N A N A s will be easy for you to imagine. Just press 
>> where you think the B will be (bottom row, nearly at the halfway point on 
>> the left side of the row), then tap the place as on a typewriter keyboard 
>> and immediately lift your finger off the key. You won't get feedback but 
>> should here a slight keyclick. (I do find I have to have volume turned up 
>> when typing in a noisy environment).
>> 
>> Now type the other keys - quicker I find is better. So A over to the left 
>> but a little higher as it would be on the 

Re: Fleksy [Revisited]

[Chris Moore]

Gordon,

I agree, David is very softly spoken and VO always seems to be much louder than 
himself.  It is my only criticism though as I feel he provides some excellent 
tutorials.

Chris 
On 29 Jul 2012, at 18:58, Gordon Smith  wrote:

> Hi Esther
> 
> Is it me, my system or have others also noticed that the audio on David's 
> podcasts is absolutely dreadful?  I can hardly hear what he's saying at 
> times.  The intro audio came over at normal volume so I don't think it is 
> something this end.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
> On 28 Jul 2012, at 23:21, Esther  wrote:
> 
> Hi Gordon and Others,
> 
> Just to correct the name of the author of the Fleksy podcast Dennis mentioned 
> as David "Woodbridge":
> • Fleksy release demo July 2012:
> http://davidwoodbr.podbean.com/2012/07/13/fleksy-release-demo-july-2012/
> Sarah also did a Fleksy podcast that you can listen to at:
> http://tffp.marrie.org/486
> 
> As Geoff stated, the updated help for the current version, which has 
> additional features for using symbols and corrections for some of the version 
> 1 limitations, support for import/export options, and a few other fixes, may 
> be found in the app.  Probably the most important information is to keep 
> typing without waiting to hear the letters announced and just assume that the 
> app will identify the word you typed in one of the selections that you flick 
> through.  Occasionally there will just be certain words that aren't in it's 
> dictionary, and you will have to slowly type and add these in. Or certain 
> long, and complicated words will better be entered if you carefully find the 
> first few letters, then revert to just "guessing" the positions of the other 
> letters. 
> 
> I think the current version is not really optimized for the iPad, and you'll 
> find if you explore the keyboard that the layout of the Fleksy keyboard 
> occupies a much larger portion of the screen than you're used to using, so 
> you have to "exaggerate" the placement of the keys in your touch gestures to 
> use this at present.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Dennis Freedman wrote:
> 
>> Hi Gordon
>> 
>> I hope you got my text message about the Podcast that David Bridgewood did, 
>> but I'm sure you'll find it if not.
>> 
>> Thanks to all, their replies were concise and should give you everything you 
>> need. But, having been there myself, perhaps a bit more explanation is 
>> needed, with apologies to others on the list.
>> 
>> I think it's the concept that is strange until you actually use it. After 
>> pressing the Home button three times to turn VoiceOver off, you have to 
>> imagine the blank screen is an invisible keyboard. Place your fingers where 
>> you think the qwerty keys home row should be, and, if you're a touch typist, 
>> go from there using all your fingers. I find it easier in Landscape mode so 
>> lock Fleksy in Landscape via the Fleksy Settings dialog in the main Settings 
>> app. But I know people who use Fleksy with only one or two fingers, 
>> 'guessing' roughly where the qwerty keys would be.
>> 
>> So you've turned VoiceOver off, got Fleksy in either Portrait or Landscape 
>> mode according to your preference. You can check you've got it right using 
>> the fact that a left flick will tell you there's no text to delete. (If the 
>> keyboard's the wrong way round, turn it round till a left flick boings at 
>> you to show no more text to delete).
>> Decide on whether you're going to actually touch type or use one or two 
>> fingers. Use a word like 'bananas' as it's a good pattern to start with.
>> 
>> With the bottom edge of the IPhone near you, imagine the Home row a little 
>> way up. So the B A N A N A s will be easy for you to imagine. Just press 
>> where you think the B will be (bottom row, nearly at the halfway point on 
>> the left side of the row), then tap the place as on a typewriter keyboard 
>> and immediately lift your finger off the key. You won't get feedback but 
>> should here a slight keyclick. (I do find I have to have volume turned up 
>> when typing in a noisy environment).
>> 
>> Now type the other keys - quicker I find is better. So A over to the left 
>> but a little higher as it would be on the Home row. N back on where the 
>> bottom row would be but a little over to the right. Etc. Etc. It's much 
>> easier if you are actually a touch typist but not difficult once you get the 
>> hang of it if you're not.
>> 
>> Once you

Re: Fleksy [Revisited]

[chris hallsworth]

I can duplicate. no disrespect to David, but please adjust the volume of 
your podcasts, or I will have trouble listening to them. Thanks!
- Original Message - 
From: "Gordon Smith" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: Fleksy [Revisited]


Hi Esther

Is it me, my system or have others also noticed that the audio on David's 
podcasts is absolutely dreadful?  I can hardly hear what he's saying at 
times.  The intro audio came over at normal volume so I don't think it is 
something this end.


Gordon


On 28 Jul 2012, at 23:21, Esther  wrote:

Hi Gordon and Others,

Just to correct the name of the author of the Fleksy podcast Dennis 
mentioned as David "Woodbridge":

• Fleksy release demo July 2012:
http://davidwoodbr.podbean.com/2012/07/13/fleksy-release-demo-july-2012/
Sarah also did a Fleksy podcast that you can listen to at:
http://tffp.marrie.org/486

As Geoff stated, the updated help for the current version, which has 
additional features for using symbols and corrections for some of the 
version 1 limitations, support for import/export options, and a few other 
fixes, may be found in the app.  Probably the most important information is 
to keep typing without waiting to hear the letters announced and just assume 
that the app will identify the word you typed in one of the selections that 
you flick through.  Occasionally there will just be certain words that 
aren't in it's dictionary, and you will have to slowly type and add these 
in. Or certain long, and complicated words will better be entered if you 
carefully find the first few letters, then revert to just "guessing" the 
positions of the other letters.


I think the current version is not really optimized for the iPad, and you'll 
find if you explore the keyboard that the layout of the Fleksy keyboard 
occupies a much larger portion of the screen than you're used to using, so 
you have to "exaggerate" the placement of the keys in your touch gestures to 
use this at present.


HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Dennis Freedman wrote:


Hi Gordon

I hope you got my text message about the Podcast that David Bridgewood 
did, but I'm sure you'll find it if not.


Thanks to all, their replies were concise and should give you everything 
you need. But, having been there myself, perhaps a bit more explanation is 
needed, with apologies to others on the list.


I think it's the concept that is strange until you actually use it. After 
pressing the Home button three times to turn VoiceOver off, you have to 
imagine the blank screen is an invisible keyboard. Place your fingers 
where you think the qwerty keys home row should be, and, if you're a touch 
typist, go from there using all your fingers. I find it easier in 
Landscape mode so lock Fleksy in Landscape via the Fleksy Settings dialog 
in the main Settings app. But I know people who use Fleksy with only one 
or two fingers, 'guessing' roughly where the qwerty keys would be.


So you've turned VoiceOver off, got Fleksy in either Portrait or Landscape 
mode according to your preference. You can check you've got it right using 
the fact that a left flick will tell you there's no text to delete. (If 
the keyboard's the wrong way round, turn it round till a left flick boings 
at you to show no more text to delete).
Decide on whether you're going to actually touch type or use one or two 
fingers. Use a word like 'bananas' as it's a good pattern to start with.


With the bottom edge of the IPhone near you, imagine the Home row a little 
way up. So the B A N A N A s will be easy for you to imagine. Just press 
where you think the B will be (bottom row, nearly at the halfway point on 
the left side of the row), then tap the place as on a typewriter keyboard 
and immediately lift your finger off the key. You won't get feedback but 
should here a slight keyclick. (I do find I have to have volume turned up 
when typing in a noisy environment).


Now type the other keys - quicker I find is better. So A over to the left 
but a little higher as it would be on the Home row. N back on where the 
bottom row would be but a little over to the right. Etc. Etc. It's much 
easier if you are actually a touch typist but not difficult once you get 
the hang of it if you're not.


Once you've typed all the letters of the word in, flick to the right 
instead of pressing a space bar (this does take a bit of getting used to). 
This brings up the 'Suggestions' list, and, with any luck your first word 
should be 'bananas'. Accept this and you're ready to type the next word. 
No need to press anything. After the word is spoken, just carry on typing. 
If it gess the word wrong, flick Down until Fleksy says the word you want; 
Up if you pass the word.


And y

Re: Fleksy [Revisited]

[Gordon Smith]

This is very useful, Andrea.  Thanks.

Gordon


On 29 Jul 2012, at 04:20, Andrea Breier  wrote:

The only thing I would add is that the settings for fleksy is under the main 
settings menu.  You can go in there and add favorites.  You just type telephone 
numbers of the people you text most.  Just type a phone number, then a comma 
then the next phone number and so on.  Then these shortcuts will show up in 
fleksy, as you flick to the right after composing your message.  Also in 
settings you can insert your phone number and email address, then fleksy will 
place a link in your texts or emails with a link at the end of either so that 
any other fleksy user can read your message then just click on the link and 
they will be automatically put into fleksy so that they can respond back to you.
I hope this makes since.


Hugs,
Andrea M. Breier
-Original Message- From: Ian McNamara
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 2:00 PM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Fleksy [Revisited]

these are the instructions I sent to gordon privately for anyone else who may 
be struggling or need help with fleksy.

Hi Gordon this is how you use fleksy.

1. open the app and it will say loading.

2. when it is loaded and says triple tap home to start typing then you just 
triple tap the home button witch will turn voice over off.

3. to type what you wish to type just tap with one finger on the screen where 
you think each letter of the word you want to type is, you don't have to be 
accurate.

4. swipe to the write and it will tell you what word it thinks you typed, if it 
is the wrong word just keep swiping down till it finds the write word that you 
meant to type. If it does not find the word you meant then just do a swipe to 
the left to delete the last word it told you. Then try again on a different 
part of the screen maybe a bit to the left or write of where you first typed.

5. to put a full stop in swipe to the write again after you've typed the word 
and it will put the full stop in, swipe down if you want a question mark comma 
or exclamation mark. There are more advanced simbles you can put in but not 
played with it yet.

Fleksy has become really useful to me over the last few weeks.

When you have finished typing what you wish to type then turn voice over back 
on and if you swipe to the write a menu will come up with what you can do with 
the text. It will then take you in to the section that allows you to do the 
action. I do not know weather you use Audio boo but if you do do a search for 
ianmcnamara and I have done a boo explaining how to use fleksy.

Hope this helps.

Ian McNamara
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Re: Fleksy [Revisited]

[Gordon Smith]

Hi Esther

Is it me, my system or have others also noticed that the audio on David's 
podcasts is absolutely dreadful?  I can hardly hear what he's saying at times.  
The intro audio came over at normal volume so I don't think it is something 
this end.

Gordon


On 28 Jul 2012, at 23:21, Esther  wrote:

Hi Gordon and Others,

Just to correct the name of the author of the Fleksy podcast Dennis mentioned 
as David "Woodbridge":
• Fleksy release demo July 2012:
http://davidwoodbr.podbean.com/2012/07/13/fleksy-release-demo-july-2012/
Sarah also did a Fleksy podcast that you can listen to at:
http://tffp.marrie.org/486

As Geoff stated, the updated help for the current version, which has additional 
features for using symbols and corrections for some of the version 1 
limitations, support for import/export options, and a few other fixes, may be 
found in the app.  Probably the most important information is to keep typing 
without waiting to hear the letters announced and just assume that the app will 
identify the word you typed in one of the selections that you flick through.  
Occasionally there will just be certain words that aren't in it's dictionary, 
and you will have to slowly type and add these in. Or certain long, and 
complicated words will better be entered if you carefully find the first few 
letters, then revert to just "guessing" the positions of the other letters. 

I think the current version is not really optimized for the iPad, and you'll 
find if you explore the keyboard that the layout of the Fleksy keyboard 
occupies a much larger portion of the screen than you're used to using, so you 
have to "exaggerate" the placement of the keys in your touch gestures to use 
this at present.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Dennis Freedman wrote:

> Hi Gordon
> 
> I hope you got my text message about the Podcast that David Bridgewood did, 
> but I'm sure you'll find it if not.
> 
> Thanks to all, their replies were concise and should give you everything you 
> need. But, having been there myself, perhaps a bit more explanation is 
> needed, with apologies to others on the list.
> 
> I think it's the concept that is strange until you actually use it. After 
> pressing the Home button three times to turn VoiceOver off, you have to 
> imagine the blank screen is an invisible keyboard. Place your fingers where 
> you think the qwerty keys home row should be, and, if you're a touch typist, 
> go from there using all your fingers. I find it easier in Landscape mode so 
> lock Fleksy in Landscape via the Fleksy Settings dialog in the main Settings 
> app. But I know people who use Fleksy with only one or two fingers, 
> 'guessing' roughly where the qwerty keys would be.
> 
> So you've turned VoiceOver off, got Fleksy in either Portrait or Landscape 
> mode according to your preference. You can check you've got it right using 
> the fact that a left flick will tell you there's no text to delete. (If the 
> keyboard's the wrong way round, turn it round till a left flick boings at you 
> to show no more text to delete).
> Decide on whether you're going to actually touch type or use one or two 
> fingers. Use a word like 'bananas' as it's a good pattern to start with.
> 
> With the bottom edge of the IPhone near you, imagine the Home row a little 
> way up. So the B A N A N A s will be easy for you to imagine. Just press 
> where you think the B will be (bottom row, nearly at the halfway point on the 
> left side of the row), then tap the place as on a typewriter keyboard and 
> immediately lift your finger off the key. You won't get feedback but should 
> here a slight keyclick. (I do find I have to have volume turned up when 
> typing in a noisy environment).
> 
> Now type the other keys - quicker I find is better. So A over to the left but 
> a little higher as it would be on the Home row. N back on where the bottom 
> row would be but a little over to the right. Etc. Etc. It's much easier if 
> you are actually a touch typist but not difficult once you get the hang of it 
> if you're not.
> 
> Once you've typed all the letters of the word in, flick to the right instead 
> of pressing a space bar (this does take a bit of getting used to). This 
> brings up the 'Suggestions' list, and, with any luck your first word should 
> be 'bananas'. Accept this and you're ready to type the next word. No need to 
> press anything. After the word is spoken, just carry on typing. If it gess 
> the word wrong, flick Down until Fleksy says the word you want; Up if you 
> pass the word.
> 
> And you're on your way.
> 
> As said, if you need practical help, Gordon, 

Re: Fleksy [Revisited]

[Gordon Smith]

Hi Geoff

Fair point!  Perhaps my post was one of those premature ones.

Gordon

On 28 Jul 2012, at 21:22, Geoff Waaler  wrote:

For those who are curious, but have not yet purchased Fleksy, the instructions 
button within the app takes the user to the current version's documentation.

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Re: Fleksy [Revisited]

[Gordon Smith]

Hi Chris

I fully realise that all this stuff must make me seem incredibly dense.  My 
only defence is, and no - I'm not making excuses or using this as an excuse, 
but I'm on a pretty powerful combination of drugs to treat a medical condition. 
 One of the side-effects of one of the drugs is short term memory loss.  Fleksy 
isn't the only one I've struggled to remember how to us.  Nor is it the only 
stupid error I've made of late, much to my own frustration.  Anyway, thanks for 
the info.  I'm perfectly happy to continue the discussion on or off list, 
according to others' preference.  I merely didn't want to bore others with 
something they already know, something they've already seen.  Which reminds me, 
I must go and check the list archive on the subject of Fleksy.

Gordon

On 28 Jul 2012, at 18:41, Chris Moore  wrote:

Gordon,

When you launch Fleksy you are instructed to triple click home to turn VO off.  
Do this, and explore the options by flicking to the right.  You will find an 
option for instructions.  These are very concise but precise.  Failing that, 
either listen to David Woodbrdge's demo podcast on www.applevis.com or within 
the podcast section of iBlink radio on your iOS device.

Chris 
On 28 Jul 2012, at 18:32, Eric Caron  wrote:

> Dear Gordon,
> 
>   If you did not find what you need in the archive then I would encourage 
> you to keep this discussion on the list.  I'm still interested in reading 
> more about user's experiences with Fleksy.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> eric Caron 
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> OK, given everything that's been happening recently around here, and also 
>> the stuff that's changed regarding Mac OS X and iOS, I have totally 
>> forgotten how to use Fleksy.  I only tried it once when Lynne bought it.  
>> But I am tired of having to use the virtual keyboard when I want to type a 
>> message which is rich in detail.  So, I guess, I have two options.  Either I 
>> try to dictate messages to my iPhone, (which I find quite irritating because 
>> it still makes errors), or else I find a more convenient method of typing.
>> 
>> The hardware keyboard is an option when not portable. But when I'm in an 
>> environment where it isn't appropriate to carry a bulky keyboard around with 
>> me, I need to type directly into the iPhone.  And that would seem to be 
>> where Fleksy comes into play.
>> 
>> Could somebody who knows how to use this software well, please write to me 
>> privately so that we can maybe discuss it without boring the group with 
>> something already covered?  I've just been checking the list archive but I 
>> can't find something as comprehensive as I need.  My address is:
>> gor...@mac-access.net
>> Thank you in advance.
>> 
>> Gordon
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Re: Fleksy [Revisited]

[Gordon Smith]

Hi Eric

I'm perfectly happy to continue the discussion on list.  I merely didn't want 
to bore those who already know, or don't want to know, about Fleksy.  However, 
if others are interested, that's absolutely fine by me.
Gordon

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Dear Gordon,

If you did not find what you need in the archive then I would encourage 
you to keep this discussion on the list.  I'm still interested in reading more 
about user's experiences with Fleksy.

Thanks,

eric Caron 
On Jul 28, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> OK, given everything that's been happening recently around here, and also the 
> stuff that's changed regarding Mac OS X and iOS, I have totally forgotten how 
> to use Fleksy.  I only tried it once when Lynne bought it.  But I am tired of 
> having to use the virtual keyboard when I want to type a message which is 
> rich in detail.  So, I guess, I have two options.  Either I try to dictate 
> messages to my iPhone, (which I find quite irritating because it still makes 
> errors), or else I find a more convenient method of typing.
> 
> The hardware keyboard is an option when not portable. But when I'm in an 
> environment where it isn't appropriate to carry a bulky keyboard around with 
> me, I need to type directly into the iPhone.  And that would seem to be where 
> Fleksy comes into play.
> 
> Could somebody who knows how to use this software well, please write to me 
> privately so that we can maybe discuss it without boring the group with 
> something already covered?  I've just been checking the list archive but I 
> can't find something as comprehensive as I need.  My address is:
> gor...@mac-access.net
> Thank you in advance.
> 
> Gordon
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Re: Fleksy [Revisited]

[Andrea Breier]

The only thing I would add is that the settings for fleksy is under the main 
settings menu.  You can go in there and add favorites.  You just type 
telephone numbers of the people you text most.  Just type a phone number, 
then a comma then the next phone number and so on.  Then these shortcuts 
will show up in fleksy, as you flick to the right after composing your 
message.  Also in settings you can insert your phone number and email 
address, then fleksy will place a link in your texts or emails with a link 
at the end of either so that any other fleksy user can read your message 
then just click on the link and they will be automatically put into fleksy 
so that they can respond back to you.

I hope this makes since.


Hugs,
Andrea M. Breier
-Original Message- 
From: Ian McNamara

Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 2:00 PM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Fleksy [Revisited]

these are the instructions I sent to gordon privately for anyone else who 
may be struggling or need help with fleksy.


Hi Gordon this is how you use fleksy.

1. open the app and it will say loading.

2. when it is loaded and says triple tap home to start typing then you just 
triple tap the home button witch will turn voice over off.


3. to type what you wish to type just tap with one finger on the screen 
where you think each letter of the word you want to type is, you don't have 
to be accurate.


4. swipe to the write and it will tell you what word it thinks you typed, if 
it is the wrong word just keep swiping down till it finds the write word 
that you meant to type. If it does not find the word you meant then just do 
a swipe to the left to delete the last word it told you. Then try again on a 
different part of the screen maybe a bit to the left or write of where you 
first typed.


5. to put a full stop in swipe to the write again after you've typed the 
word and it will put the full stop in, swipe down if you want a question 
mark comma or exclamation mark. There are more advanced simbles you can put 
in but not played with it yet.


Fleksy has become really useful to me over the last few weeks.

When you have finished typing what you wish to type then turn voice over 
back on and if you swipe to the write a menu will come up with what you can 
do with the text. It will then take you in to the section that allows you to 
do the action. I do not know weather you use Audio boo but if you do do a 
search for ianmcnamara and I have done a boo explaining how to use fleksy.


Hope this helps.

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Re: Fleksy [Revisited]

[Ian McNamara]

Hi, i use fleksy with one finger and type very fast on it now. I have never 
tried touch typing with two hands on the IPhone, I always thought that the 
screen would be to small to touch type on the IPhone or IPod touch.

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Re: Fleksy [Revisited]

[Esther]

Hi Gordon and Others,

Just to correct the name of the author of the Fleksy podcast Dennis mentioned 
as David "Woodbridge":
• Fleksy release demo July 2012:
http://davidwoodbr.podbean.com/2012/07/13/fleksy-release-demo-july-2012/
Sarah also did a Fleksy podcast that you can listen to at:
http://tffp.marrie.org/486

As Geoff stated, the updated help for the current version, which has additional 
features for using symbols and corrections for some of the version 1 
limitations, support for import/export options, and a few other fixes, may be 
found in the app.  Probably the most important information is to keep typing 
without waiting to hear the letters announced and just assume that the app will 
identify the word you typed in one of the selections that you flick through.  
Occasionally there will just be certain words that aren't in it's dictionary, 
and you will have to slowly type and add these in. Or certain long, and 
complicated words will better be entered if you carefully find the first few 
letters, then revert to just "guessing" the positions of the other letters. 

I think the current version is not really optimized for the iPad, and you'll 
find if you explore the keyboard that the layout of the Fleksy keyboard 
occupies a much larger portion of the screen than you're used to using, so you 
have to "exaggerate" the placement of the keys in your touch gestures to use 
this at present.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Dennis Freedman wrote:

> Hi Gordon
> 
> I hope you got my text message about the Podcast that David Bridgewood did, 
> but I'm sure you'll find it if not.
> 
> Thanks to all, their replies were concise and should give you everything you 
> need. But, having been there myself, perhaps a bit more explanation is 
> needed, with apologies to others on the list.
> 
> I think it's the concept that is strange until you actually use it. After 
> pressing the Home button three times to turn VoiceOver off, you have to 
> imagine the blank screen is an invisible keyboard. Place your fingers where 
> you think the qwerty keys home row should be, and, if you're a touch typist, 
> go from there using all your fingers. I find it easier in Landscape mode so 
> lock Fleksy in Landscape via the Fleksy Settings dialog in the main Settings 
> app. But I know people who use Fleksy with only one or two fingers, 
> 'guessing' roughly where the qwerty keys would be.
> 
> So you've turned VoiceOver off, got Fleksy in either Portrait or Landscape 
> mode according to your preference. You can check you've got it right using 
> the fact that a left flick will tell you there's no text to delete. (If the 
> keyboard's the wrong way round, turn it round till a left flick boings at you 
> to show no more text to delete).
> Decide on whether you're going to actually touch type or use one or two 
> fingers. Use a word like 'bananas' as it's a good pattern to start with.
> 
> With the bottom edge of the IPhone near you, imagine the Home row a little 
> way up. So the B A N A N A s will be easy for you to imagine. Just press 
> where you think the B will be (bottom row, nearly at the halfway point on the 
> left side of the row), then tap the place as on a typewriter keyboard and 
> immediately lift your finger off the key. You won't get feedback but should 
> here a slight keyclick. (I do find I have to have volume turned up when 
> typing in a noisy environment).
> 
> Now type the other keys - quicker I find is better. So A over to the left but 
> a little higher as it would be on the Home row. N back on where the bottom 
> row would be but a little over to the right. Etc. Etc. It's much easier if 
> you are actually a touch typist but not difficult once you get the hang of it 
> if you're not.
> 
> Once you've typed all the letters of the word in, flick to the right instead 
> of pressing a space bar (this does take a bit of getting used to). This 
> brings up the 'Suggestions' list, and, with any luck your first word should 
> be 'bananas'. Accept this and you're ready to type the next word. No need to 
> press anything. After the word is spoken, just carry on typing. If it gess 
> the word wrong, flick Down until Fleksy says the word you want; Up if you 
> pass the word.
> 
> And you're on your way.
> 
> As said, if you need practical help, Gordon, message or email me and we can 
> set up a Skype call on Sunday.
> 
> As with anything, it does take practice.
> 
> How many of you like me remember how frustrating it was the first time you 
> tried to use an I-device? It took me days to get anywhere with it really, 
> although I think some of us may not wa

Re: Fleksy [Revisited]

[Dennis Freedman]

Hi Gordon

I hope you got my text message about the Podcast that David Bridgewood did, but 
I'm sure you'll find it if not.

Thanks to all, their replies were concise and should give you everything you 
need. But, having been there myself, perhaps a bit more explanation is needed, 
with apologies to others on the list.

I think it's the concept that is strange until you actually use it. After 
pressing the Home button three times to turn VoiceOver off, you have to imagine 
the blank screen is an invisible keyboard. Place your fingers where you think 
the qwerty keys home row should be, and, if you're a touch typist, go from 
there using all your fingers. I find it easier in Landscape mode so lock Fleksy 
in Landscape via the Fleksy Settings dialog in the main Settings app. But I 
know people who use Fleksy with only one or two fingers, 'guessing' roughly 
where the qwerty keys would be.

So you've turned VoiceOver off, got Fleksy in either Portrait or Landscape mode 
according to your preference. You can check you've got it right using the fact 
that a left flick will tell you there's no text to delete. (If the keyboard's 
the wrong way round, turn it round till a left flick boings at you to show no 
more text to delete).
Decide on whether you're going to actually touch type or use one or two 
fingers. Use a word like 'bananas' as it's a good pattern to start with.

With the bottom edge of the IPhone near you, imagine the Home row a little way 
up. So the B A N A N A s will be easy for you to imagine. Just press where you 
think the B will be (bottom row, nearly at the halfway point on the left side 
of the row), then tap the place as on a typewriter keyboard and immediately 
lift your finger off the key. You won't get feedback but should here a slight 
keyclick. (I do find I have to have volume turned up when typing in a noisy 
environment).

Now type the other keys - quicker I find is better. So A over to the left but a 
little higher as it would be on the Home row. N back on where the bottom row 
would be but a little over to the right. Etc. Etc. It's much easier if you are 
actually a touch typist but not difficult once you get the hang of it if you're 
not.

Once you've typed all the letters of the word in, flick to the right instead of 
pressing a space bar (this does take a bit of getting used to). This brings up 
the 'Suggestions' list, and, with any luck your first word should be 'bananas'. 
Accept this and you're ready to type the next word. No need to press anything. 
After the word is spoken, just carry on typing. If it gess the word wrong, 
flick Down until Fleksy says the word you want; Up if you pass the word.

And you're on your way.

As said, if you need practical help, Gordon, message or email me and we can set 
up a Skype call on Sunday.

As with anything, it does take practice.

How many of you like me remember how frustrating it was the first time you 
tried to use an I-device? It took me days to get anywhere with it really, 
although I think some of us may not want to admit that.

Dennis.


On 28 Jul 2012, at 15:27, Gordon Smith  wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> OK, given everything that's been happening recently around here, and also the 
> stuff that's changed regarding Mac OS X and iOS, I have totally forgotten how 
> to use Fleksy.  I only tried it once when Lynne bought it.  But I am tired of 
> having to use the virtual keyboard when I want to type a message which is 
> rich in detail.  So, I guess, I have two options.  Either I try to dictate 
> messages to my iPhone, (which I find quite irritating because it still makes 
> errors), or else I find a more convenient method of typing.
> 
> The hardware keyboard is an option when not portable. But when I'm in an 
> environment where it isn't appropriate to carry a bulky keyboard around with 
> me, I need to type directly into the iPhone.  And that would seem to be where 
> Fleksy comes into play.
> 
> Could somebody who knows how to use this software well, please write to me 
> privately so that we can maybe discuss it without boring the group with 
> something already covered?  I've just been checking the list archive but I 
> can't find something as comprehensive as I need.  My address is:
> gor...@mac-access.net
> Thank you in advance.
> 
> Gordon
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Re: Fleksy [Revisited]

[Geoff Waaler]

For those who are curious, but have not yet purchased Fleksy, the instructions 
button within the app takes the user to the current version's documentation.

HTH.
Geoff


  - Original Message - 
  From: Ian McNamara 
  To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility 
  Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 2:00 PM
  Subject: Re: Fleksy [Revisited]


  these are the instructions I sent to gordon privately for anyone else who may 
be struggling or need help with fleksy.

  Hi Gordon this is how you use fleksy. 

  1. open the app and it will say loading.

  2. when it is loaded and says triple tap home to start typing then you just 
triple tap the home button witch will turn voice over off.

  3. to type what you wish to type just tap with one finger on the screen where 
you think each letter of the word you want to type is, you don't have to be 
accurate.

  4. swipe to the write and it will tell you what word it thinks you typed, if 
it is the wrong word just keep swiping down till it finds the write word that 
you meant to type. If it does not find the word you meant then just do a swipe 
to the left to delete the last word it told you. Then try again on a different 
part of the screen maybe a bit to the left or write of where you first typed.

  5. to put a full stop in swipe to the write again after you've typed the word 
and it will put the full stop in, swipe down if you want a question mark comma 
or exclamation mark. There are more advanced simbles you can put in but not 
played with it yet. 

  Fleksy has become really useful to me over the last few weeks.

  When you have finished typing what you wish to type then turn voice over back 
on and if you swipe to the write a menu will come up with what you can do with 
the text. It will then take you in to the section that allows you to do the 
action. I do not know weather you use Audio boo but if you do do a search for 
ianmcnamara and I have done a boo explaining how to use fleksy.

  Hope this helps.

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Re: Fleksy [Revisited]

[Ian McNamara]

these are the instructions I sent to gordon privately for anyone else who may 
be struggling or need help with fleksy.

Hi Gordon this is how you use fleksy. 

1. open the app and it will say loading.

2. when it is loaded and says triple tap home to start typing then you just 
triple tap the home button witch will turn voice over off.

3. to type what you wish to type just tap with one finger on the screen where 
you think each letter of the word you want to type is, you don't have to be 
accurate.

4. swipe to the write and it will tell you what word it thinks you typed, if it 
is the wrong word just keep swiping down till it finds the write word that you 
meant to type. If it does not find the word you meant then just do a swipe to 
the left to delete the last word it told you. Then try again on a different 
part of the screen maybe a bit to the left or write of where you first typed.

5. to put a full stop in swipe to the write again after you've typed the word 
and it will put the full stop in, swipe down if you want a question mark comma 
or exclamation mark. There are more advanced simbles you can put in but not 
played with it yet. 

Fleksy has become really useful to me over the last few weeks.

When you have finished typing what you wish to type then turn voice over back 
on and if you swipe to the write a menu will come up with what you can do with 
the text. It will then take you in to the section that allows you to do the 
action. I do not know weather you use Audio boo but if you do do a search for 
ianmcnamara and I have done a boo explaining how to use fleksy.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Fleksy [Revisited]

[Chris Moore]

Gordon,

When you launch Fleksy you are instructed to triple click home to turn VO off.  
Do this, and explore the options by flicking to the right.  You will find an 
option for instructions.  These are very concise but precise.  Failing that, 
either listen to David Woodbrdge's demo podcast on www.applevis.com or within 
the podcast section of iBlink radio on your iOS device.

Chris 
On 28 Jul 2012, at 18:32, Eric Caron  wrote:

> Dear Gordon,
> 
>   If you did not find what you need in the archive then I would encourage 
> you to keep this discussion on the list.  I'm still interested in reading 
> more about user's experiences with Fleksy.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> eric Caron 
> On Jul 28, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> OK, given everything that's been happening recently around here, and also 
>> the stuff that's changed regarding Mac OS X and iOS, I have totally 
>> forgotten how to use Fleksy.  I only tried it once when Lynne bought it.  
>> But I am tired of having to use the virtual keyboard when I want to type a 
>> message which is rich in detail.  So, I guess, I have two options.  Either I 
>> try to dictate messages to my iPhone, (which I find quite irritating because 
>> it still makes errors), or else I find a more convenient method of typing.
>> 
>> The hardware keyboard is an option when not portable. But when I'm in an 
>> environment where it isn't appropriate to carry a bulky keyboard around with 
>> me, I need to type directly into the iPhone.  And that would seem to be 
>> where Fleksy comes into play.
>> 
>> Could somebody who knows how to use this software well, please write to me 
>> privately so that we can maybe discuss it without boring the group with 
>> something already covered?  I've just been checking the list archive but I 
>> can't find something as comprehensive as I need.  My address is:
>> gor...@mac-access.net
>> Thank you in advance.
>> 
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Re: Fleksy [Revisited]

[Eric Caron]

Dear Gordon,

If you did not find what you need in the archive then I would encourage 
you to keep this discussion on the list.  I'm still interested in reading more 
about user's experiences with Fleksy.

Thanks,

eric Caron 
On Jul 28, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> OK, given everything that's been happening recently around here, and also the 
> stuff that's changed regarding Mac OS X and iOS, I have totally forgotten how 
> to use Fleksy.  I only tried it once when Lynne bought it.  But I am tired of 
> having to use the virtual keyboard when I want to type a message which is 
> rich in detail.  So, I guess, I have two options.  Either I try to dictate 
> messages to my iPhone, (which I find quite irritating because it still makes 
> errors), or else I find a more convenient method of typing.
> 
> The hardware keyboard is an option when not portable. But when I'm in an 
> environment where it isn't appropriate to carry a bulky keyboard around with 
> me, I need to type directly into the iPhone.  And that would seem to be where 
> Fleksy comes into play.
> 
> Could somebody who knows how to use this software well, please write to me 
> privately so that we can maybe discuss it without boring the group with 
> something already covered?  I've just been checking the list archive but I 
> can't find something as comprehensive as I need.  My address is:
> gor...@mac-access.net
> Thank you in advance.
> 
> Gordon
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Fleksy [Revisited]

[Gordon Smith]

Hi all

OK, given everything that's been happening recently around here, and also the 
stuff that's changed regarding Mac OS X and iOS, I have totally forgotten how 
to use Fleksy.  I only tried it once when Lynne bought it.  But I am tired of 
having to use the virtual keyboard when I want to type a message which is rich 
in detail.  So, I guess, I have two options.  Either I try to dictate messages 
to my iPhone, (which I find quite irritating because it still makes errors), or 
else I find a more convenient method of typing.

The hardware keyboard is an option when not portable. But when I'm in an 
environment where it isn't appropriate to carry a bulky keyboard around with 
me, I need to type directly into the iPhone.  And that would seem to be where 
Fleksy comes into play.

Could somebody who knows how to use this software well, please write to me 
privately so that we can maybe discuss it without boring the group with 
something already covered?  I've just been checking the list archive but I 
can't find something as comprehensive as I need.  My address is:
gor...@mac-access.net
Thank you in advance.

Gordon

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Re: fleksy is out!

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

I've tried the app. In fact, I downloaded it while I was on holiday because the 
hotel I was staying at on my way home offered free Wi-Fi.

I find myself typing very accurately with this. Even without VoiceOver, you can 
hit the wrong letter with the regular keyboards, so Fleksy is actually helpful 
here in that you don't have to delete anything in most cases. In my case, my 
hands are too big to always hit the letters accurately even when I use 
VoiceOver, so Fleksy  is very helpful because it allows me to simply type and 
forget. I don't have to focus as much on whether I'm touching the write letter, 
and this helps even when I don't use VoiceOver.

Incorporating this into IOS would be a pretty good solution, at least an 
alternative one. I don't agree that it should be the only text input method 
particularly when Fleksy receives international keyboard support, but being 
able to switch to it as you would a keyboard already implemented into iOS would 
be very efficient as it would apply to any text area. Third party developers  
can already do this, but developers do not have enough control over the 
implementation as they can only change the letters and symbols.

I find myself forgetting to use Fleksy, though. Because it can not be switched 
to like the other keyboards, I find myself sliding when I get a text in order 
to reply and just typing, as opposed to bringing up Fleksy, entering what I 
want to type, then copying or sending it to a message. In this particular 
instance, having it incorporated into iOS would be very useful. Unless Apple 
comes up with something even better which somehow does not require you to turn 
off VoiceOver, it seems to me that this would be an avenue worth pursuing.

The price seems very justifiable. It's a great solution, works very well and 
while it is specifically designed for blind people, it's even helping me out 
when I look at the screen and I don't have to look so much at what I'm typing 
or even at the keyboard itself. I've avoided a lot of tripping while texting 
with this application, so I'd say it helps avoid injuries even though you could 
just avoid texting while you walk entirely.

Regards,
Nicolai
On Jul 15, 2012, at 8:29 AM, william lomas  wrote:

> still want to try this but until ipad version is out i think i'm best off 
> waiting even though it can sort of be used. trying it on a frends iphone 
> later this week don't have an iphone at the moment
> 
> On 15 Jul 2012, at 07:10, krystal watson  wrote:
> 
>> actually for those that think using the letter hold feature slows typing 
>> down it really does not at least not fore me infact i am much faster typing 
>> using it that way as i am not stressed about what i am pressing and having 
>> to corect trillions of things that if i had pressed the right letter in the 
>> first place i would have not had to corect the reason why its faster then 
>> touch typing on i phone is i don't need to worry about spaces so each to 
>> there own on how they like to use it just telling you that i find it easier 
>> this way and i did read up on it and dev says its fine for me to use it that 
>> way if i choose to do so one day i hope i will get to the point that i won't 
>> need to do that but for now if i feel safe doing it this way i will continue 
>> to do so thanks all 
>> On 15/07/2012, at 12:57 PM, Andrea Breier wrote:
>> 
>>> I posted with my constructive criticism, and you call crying?  I thought my 
>>> post offered up a lot more that the price.  I will probably will at some 
>>> point get this app, because as I stated before, I think it is a really cool 
>>> app and could help blind folks with other options for input.  .
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hugs,
>>> Andrea M. Breier
>>> -Original Message- From: Mike Maslo
>>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:54 AM
>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>>> Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
>>> 
>>> I think it is country productive to cry about a price.
>>> If you think a application is to expensive don't buy it. Why keep crying 
>>> over something you can't do a thing about it. I thought this list was for 
>>> constructive criticism and not. A arena to complain about a price of a 
>>> application. As Gordon states earlier some like it and others don't. What 
>>> is the purpose of complaining?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2012, at 9:42 AM, "Andrea Breier"  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Exactly Gordon, this is all just food for thought.  I went to the app 
>>>> store and this was what I personally thought of what I saw r

Re: fleksy is out!

[william lomas]

still want to try this but until ipad version is out i think i'm best off 
waiting even though it can sort of be used. trying it on a frends iphone later 
this week don't have an iphone at the moment

On 15 Jul 2012, at 07:10, krystal watson  wrote:

> actually for those that think using the letter hold feature slows typing down 
> it really does not at least not fore me infact i am much faster typing using 
> it that way as i am not stressed about what i am pressing and having to 
> corect trillions of things that if i had pressed the right letter in the 
> first place i would have not had to corect the reason why its faster then 
> touch typing on i phone is i don't need to worry about spaces so each to 
> there own on how they like to use it just telling you that i find it easier 
> this way and i did read up on it and dev says its fine for me to use it that 
> way if i choose to do so one day i hope i will get to the point that i won't 
> need to do that but for now if i feel safe doing it this way i will continue 
> to do so thanks all 
> On 15/07/2012, at 12:57 PM, Andrea Breier wrote:
> 
>> I posted with my constructive criticism, and you call crying?  I thought my 
>> post offered up a lot more that the price.  I will probably will at some 
>> point get this app, because as I stated before, I think it is a really cool 
>> app and could help blind folks with other options for input.  .
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hugs,
>> Andrea M. Breier
>> -Original Message- From: Mike Maslo
>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:54 AM
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
>> 
>> I think it is country productive to cry about a price.
>> If you think a application is to expensive don't buy it. Why keep crying 
>> over something you can't do a thing about it. I thought this list was for 
>> constructive criticism and not. A arena to complain about a price of a 
>> application. As Gordon states earlier some like it and others don't. What is 
>> the purpose of complaining?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jul 13, 2012, at 9:42 AM, "Andrea Breier"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Exactly Gordon, this is all just food for thought.  I went to the app store 
>>> and this was what I personally thought of what I saw regarding this 
>>> particular app.  It is alright to post comments for discussion here?  As 
>>> far as trials provided in the app store.  I disagree.  I have downloaded 
>>> several apps that had "in app" purchase, i.e. navigon and planet finder, 
>>> and also apps that had a thirty day free trial attached.  I do not recall 
>>> the exact app, but it was a gps app that used voice input to set up your 
>>> routs.  Maybe others can recall, but I don't remember off hand. Like I said 
>>> in my first post, I think this app sounds really cool, I just think it is a 
>>> high price compared to other apps in the app store
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hugs,
>>> Andrea M. Breier
>>> -Original Message- From: Gordon Smith
>>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM
>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>>> Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> Apple does not permit developers to put trial ware programs into the App 
>>> store.  As for the price being boosted because it's for the visually 
>>> impaired, I'm sorry, I don't agree with that at all.  Yes, I grant you that 
>>> it does happen on the Windows side of things.  But just take a look at what 
>>> you're getting with your iOS device for free.  Voiceover itself took a 
>>> great deal of development and resources.  Apple opted to make that free for 
>>> all of us.  The developers of this application do have to cover their 
>>> costs, and as I said earlier whether or not you're prepared to pay the 
>>> price is entirely a personal decision.
>>> 
>>> Gordon
>>> 
>>> On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:17, "Andrea Breier"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description 
>>> that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted 
>>> to four times the price.
>>> Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great 
>>> idea for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to 
>>> give it a try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day 
>>> trial.  I can always hope that it goes on sale

Re: fleksy is out!

[krystal watson]

actually for those that think using the letter hold feature slows typing down 
it really does not at least not fore me infact i am much faster typing using it 
that way as i am not stressed about what i am pressing and having to corect 
trillions of things that if i had pressed the right letter in the first place i 
would have not had to corect the reason why its faster then touch typing on i 
phone is i don't need to worry about spaces so each to there own on how they 
like to use it just telling you that i find it easier this way and i did read 
up on it and dev says its fine for me to use it that way if i choose to do so 
one day i hope i will get to the point that i won't need to do that but for now 
if i feel safe doing it this way i will continue to do so thanks all 
On 15/07/2012, at 12:57 PM, Andrea Breier wrote:

> I posted with my constructive criticism, and you call crying?  I thought my 
> post offered up a lot more that the price.  I will probably will at some 
> point get this app, because as I stated before, I think it is a really cool 
> app and could help blind folks with other options for input.  .
> 
> 
> 
> Hugs,
> Andrea M. Breier
> -Original Message- From: Mike Maslo
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:54 AM
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
> 
> I think it is country productive to cry about a price.
> If you think a application is to expensive don't buy it. Why keep crying over 
> something you can't do a thing about it. I thought this list was for 
> constructive criticism and not. A arena to complain about a price of a 
> application. As Gordon states earlier some like it and others don't. What is 
> the purpose of complaining?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 13, 2012, at 9:42 AM, "Andrea Breier"  wrote:
> 
>> Exactly Gordon, this is all just food for thought.  I went to the app store 
>> and this was what I personally thought of what I saw regarding this 
>> particular app.  It is alright to post comments for discussion here?  As far 
>> as trials provided in the app store.  I disagree.  I have downloaded several 
>> apps that had "in app" purchase, i.e. navigon and planet finder, and also 
>> apps that had a thirty day free trial attached.  I do not recall the exact 
>> app, but it was a gps app that used voice input to set up your routs.  Maybe 
>> others can recall, but I don't remember off hand. Like I said in my first 
>> post, I think this app sounds really cool, I just think it is a high price 
>> compared to other apps in the app store
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hugs,
>> Andrea M. Breier
>> -Original Message- From: Gordon Smith
>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> Apple does not permit developers to put trial ware programs into the App 
>> store.  As for the price being boosted because it's for the visually 
>> impaired, I'm sorry, I don't agree with that at all.  Yes, I grant you that 
>> it does happen on the Windows side of things.  But just take a look at what 
>> you're getting with your iOS device for free.  Voiceover itself took a great 
>> deal of development and resources.  Apple opted to make that free for all of 
>> us.  The developers of this application do have to cover their costs, and as 
>> I said earlier whether or not you're prepared to pay the price is entirely a 
>> personal decision.
>> 
>> Gordon
>> 
>> On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:17, "Andrea Breier"  wrote:
>> 
>> It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description 
>> that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted to 
>> four times the price.
>> Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great 
>> idea for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to 
>> give it a try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day 
>> trial.  I can always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL
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app pricing was: fleksy is out!

[Diane Bomar]

I thought it appropriate to change the title of this subject, as the thread 
is about pricing of apps that are made especially for people who are blind.


I have paid $30, two years ago for Digit-eyes, now it has dropped to $20. At 
the same time, I have purchased a bar code scanner for $1400, then see a new 
model come out in a year, with only a $800 trad-in. $15 only seems high, 
because apps for iOS devices are so inexpensive. But, maybe you should look 
at it in terms of how important it is to you. If you can use touch typing 
fine, on the iPhone, then you don't need this. If you would like to increase 
your speed, and do a lot of typing on the iPhone, then its worth is 
increased. If you buy a game, and all you can do with it is play the game, 
it is worth less than something that will benefit you in several situations, 
many times a day.


$15 is more for some, than it is for others. But, the phones are not 
inexpensive, either, especially if you purchase a recent model.


Consider what we have had to pay for the ability to do, what most take for 
granted, and the cost of $15 is trivial.


Just my humble and personal opinion,
Diane
- Original Message - 
From: "Andrea Breier" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: fleksy is out!


I posted with my constructive criticism, and you call crying?  I thought my 
post offered up a lot more that the price.  I will probably will at some 
point get this app, because as I stated before, I think it is a really cool 
app and could help blind folks with other options for input.  .




Hugs,
Andrea M. Breier
-Original Message- 
From: Mike Maslo

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:54 AM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: fleksy is out!

I think it is country productive to cry about a price.
If you think a application is to expensive don't buy it. Why keep crying 
over something you can't do a thing about it. I thought this list was for 
constructive criticism and not. A arena to complain about a price of a 
application. As Gordon states earlier some like it and others don't. What 
is the purpose of complaining?


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 13, 2012, at 9:42 AM, "Andrea Breier"  wrote:

Exactly Gordon, this is all just food for thought.  I went to the app 
store and this was what I personally thought of what I saw regarding this 
particular app.  It is alright to post comments for discussion here?  As 
far as trials provided in the app store.  I disagree.  I have downloaded 
several apps that had "in app" purchase, i.e. navigon and planet finder, 
and also apps that had a thirty day free trial attached.  I do not recall 
the exact app, but it was a gps app that used voice input to set up your 
routs.  Maybe others can recall, but I don't remember off hand. Like I 
said in my first post, I think this app sounds really cool, I just think 
it is a high price compared to other apps in the app store




Hugs,
Andrea M. Breier
-Original Message- From: Gordon Smith
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: fleksy is out!

Hi

Apple does not permit developers to put trial ware programs into the App 
store.  As for the price being boosted because it's for the visually 
impaired, I'm sorry, I don't agree with that at all.  Yes, I grant you 
that it does happen on the Windows side of things.  But just take a look 
at what you're getting with your iOS device for free.  Voiceover itself 
took a great deal of development and resources.  Apple opted to make that 
free for all of us.  The developers of this application do have to cover 
their costs, and as I said earlier whether or not you're prepared to pay 
the price is entirely a personal decision.


Gordon

On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:17, "Andrea Breier"  wrote:

It just seems to me that just because developers state in their 
description that an app is designed for the blind, the price is 
automatically boosted to four times the price.
Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great 
idea for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to 
give it a try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day 
trial.  I can always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL


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Re: fleksy is out!

[Andrea Breier]

I posted with my constructive criticism, and you call crying?  I thought my 
post offered up a lot more that the price.  I will probably will at some 
point get this app, because as I stated before, I think it is a really cool 
app and could help blind folks with other options for input.  .




Hugs,
Andrea M. Breier
-Original Message- 
From: Mike Maslo

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:54 AM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: fleksy is out!

I think it is country productive to cry about a price.
If you think a application is to expensive don't buy it. Why keep crying 
over something you can't do a thing about it. I thought this list was for 
constructive criticism and not. A arena to complain about a price of a 
application. As Gordon states earlier some like it and others don't. What is 
the purpose of complaining?


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 13, 2012, at 9:42 AM, "Andrea Breier"  wrote:

Exactly Gordon, this is all just food for thought.  I went to the app 
store and this was what I personally thought of what I saw regarding this 
particular app.  It is alright to post comments for discussion here?  As 
far as trials provided in the app store.  I disagree.  I have downloaded 
several apps that had "in app" purchase, i.e. navigon and planet finder, 
and also apps that had a thirty day free trial attached.  I do not recall 
the exact app, but it was a gps app that used voice input to set up your 
routs.  Maybe others can recall, but I don't remember off hand. Like I 
said in my first post, I think this app sounds really cool, I just think 
it is a high price compared to other apps in the app store




Hugs,
Andrea M. Breier
-Original Message- From: Gordon Smith
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: fleksy is out!

Hi

Apple does not permit developers to put trial ware programs into the App 
store.  As for the price being boosted because it's for the visually 
impaired, I'm sorry, I don't agree with that at all.  Yes, I grant you 
that it does happen on the Windows side of things.  But just take a look 
at what you're getting with your iOS device for free.  Voiceover itself 
took a great deal of development and resources.  Apple opted to make that 
free for all of us.  The developers of this application do have to cover 
their costs, and as I said earlier whether or not you're prepared to pay 
the price is entirely a personal decision.


Gordon

On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:17, "Andrea Breier"  wrote:

It just seems to me that just because developers state in their 
description that an app is designed for the blind, the price is 
automatically boosted to four times the price.
Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great 
idea for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to 
give it a try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day 
trial.  I can always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL


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Re: my fleksy podcast

[Arthur Barney]

OK guys, I get the picture.
Know need to stay on this any longer.
It's that I was clicking on it, and it wasn't going any where.
- Original Message - 
From: "Gordon Smith" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: my fleksy podcast


I don't think this has anything to do with FTP.  That's just the prefix 
Sarah has assigned to her site.


On 13 Jul 2012, at 23:24, Arthur Barney  
wrote:


that isn't going to work.
It should be ftp, and not tiff
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Re: my fleksy podcast

[william lomas]

i upload it now to send space

On 14 Jul 2012, at 14:25, Gordon Smith  wrote:

> I don't think this has anything to do with FTP.  That's just the prefix Sarah 
> has assigned to her site.
> 
> On 13 Jul 2012, at 23:24, Arthur Barney  wrote:
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> that isn't going to work.
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Re: my fleksy podcast

[Gordon Smith]

I don't think this has anything to do with FTP.  That's just the prefix Sarah 
has assigned to her site.

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that isn't going to work.
It should be ftp, and not tiff
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Re: my fleksy podcast

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Hi Sarah

There are some weird things happening with this site.  Also I clicked on the 
"Play In New Window" link but although a new window opened, (Tip:  You need to 
hit enter to accomplish this in Safari, VO+Space doesn't seem to work), 
absolutely nothing whatever happened.

Gordon

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Re: fleksy is out!

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Hi Chris

OK, I'm a convert.  Now I've started using this thing I'm wondering how the 
hell I ever lived without it.  You're quite right, it makes the whole web 
experience much more intuitive and user-friendly.  If you know the layout of a 
website you can just move by element rather than having to scroll the entire 
site.  Magic!  Thanks for the tip, I reckon I should go outside and give my 
thick scull a few bangs against the closest wall.  Maybe bits might fall off my 
head, but possibly that might make this old brain of mine start working 
properly again. :)

Gordon

On 13 Jul 2012, at 18:33, Chris Moore  wrote:

Next time you are in Safari, just give it a go and then flick up and down to 
jump between headings etc. Actually makes surfing on the iPhone and iPad really 
enjoyable.

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Re: my fleksy podcast

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cool pod cast your good at making pod casts and good at using flexie 
congratulations 
On 14/07/2012, at 10:31 AM, Shaun Oliver wrote:

> On 7/14/2012 08:43, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> lol. tffp is the name of the podcast. The name stuck after I called it the 
>> fun filled podcast. Enjoy the fleksy demo.
>> On Jul 13, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Arthur Barney wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Sarah,
>>> that isn't going to work.
>>> It should be ftp, and not tffp
>>> - Original Message - From: "Sarah Alawami" 
>>> To: "mac access list iOS Accessibility" 
>>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:24 PM
>>> Subject: my fleksy podcast
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> for those that are having trouble witht he page try this link instead.
>>>> 
>>>> http://tffp.marrie.org/486
>>>> 
>>>> it is unshortned so I hope it works.
>>>> 
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RE: fleksy and emoticons

[Paula Hobley]

Cool, thanks for that Sarah.

Have a great day :)

Paula


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami
Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2012 9:18 AM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: fleksy and emoticons

As for emotes you will probably have to type this win by hand. You swipe dow
from the closest symbol such as a colon, and a semi colon.  or a left and
right perenthisis..
On Jul 13, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Paula Hobley wrote:

> Hi there
> 
> Does anybody know how to type in emoticons using Fleksy?  I've used the
> router to get to the symbols but once there can't figure out how to entre
> the correct symbols.
> 
> Thanks for your help with this.
> 
> Paula
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andrea Breier
> Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2012 12:00 AM
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
> 
> That is exactly my point.  I am sorry you had to commit that much money, 
> just to get a look at the app.  This is my opinion on any app, not just
apps
> 
> for the blind.  I always buy quality products and usually pay more for
them,
> 
> but I usually get to see what I am buying first.  I tend to check out apps

> if they are free or just a couple of dollars.  With this said, very few
apps
> 
> on my devices are the free ones just because I don't like the adds that
are 
> usually built in to them.  I know that the inter net is not free nor do I 
> expect to get things for free.  But at the same time, I will not assume
that
> 
> something is a quality product just because it has a larger price tag 
> attached to it .  This is why I mentioned the app developers that offer a 
> free trial period, that way they would give an app with a little higher 
> price for better quality a risk free trial to their customers.  That is
all 
> I am saying.
> 
> 
> 
> Hugs,
> Andrea M. Breier
> -Original Message- 
> From: krystal watson
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
> 
> i mean it lets you email or message the text that is good the only thing i

> don't like is you don't know what letter you type and there is no way i 
> could have known that with out  buying the app and testing it first that
is 
> the only thing about app store in i tunes you can't try a app to see if
you 
> like it  before buying it but i guess that is all my fault as people say i

> chose to try it and if i don't like it then its my fault
> On 13/07/2012, at 11:17 PM, Andrea Breier wrote:
> 
>> It just seems to me that just because developers state in their 
>> description that an app is designed for the blind, the price is 
>> automatically boosted to four times the price.
>> Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great 
>> idea for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to 
>> give it a try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day 
>> trial.  I can always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL
>> 
>> 
>> Hugs,
>> Andrea M. Breier
>> -Original Message- From: Mike Maslo
>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 7:50 AM
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Re: my fleksy podcast

[Shaun Oliver]

On 7/14/2012 08:43, Sarah Alawami wrote:

lol. tffp is the name of the podcast. The name stuck after I called it the fun 
filled podcast. Enjoy the fleksy demo.
On Jul 13, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Arthur Barney wrote:


Hi Sarah,
that isn't going to work.
It should be ftp, and not tffp
- Original Message - From: "Sarah Alawami" 
To: "mac access list iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:24 PM
Subject: my fleksy podcast



for those that are having trouble witht he page try this link instead.

http://tffp.marrie.org/486

it is unshortned so I hope it works.

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Re: fleksy and emoticons

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As for emotes you will probably have to type this win by hand. You swipe dow 
from the closest symbol such as a colon, and a semi colon.  or a left and right 
perenthisis..
On Jul 13, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Paula Hobley wrote:

> Hi there
> 
> Does anybody know how to type in emoticons using Fleksy?  I've used the
> router to get to the symbols but once there can't figure out how to entre
> the correct symbols.
> 
> Thanks for your help with this.
> 
> Paula
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andrea Breier
> Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2012 12:00 AM
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
> 
> That is exactly my point.  I am sorry you had to commit that much money, 
> just to get a look at the app.  This is my opinion on any app, not just apps
> 
> for the blind.  I always buy quality products and usually pay more for them,
> 
> but I usually get to see what I am buying first.  I tend to check out apps 
> if they are free or just a couple of dollars.  With this said, very few apps
> 
> on my devices are the free ones just because I don't like the adds that are 
> usually built in to them.  I know that the inter net is not free nor do I 
> expect to get things for free.  But at the same time, I will not assume that
> 
> something is a quality product just because it has a larger price tag 
> attached to it .  This is why I mentioned the app developers that offer a 
> free trial period, that way they would give an app with a little higher 
> price for better quality a risk free trial to their customers.  That is all 
> I am saying.
> 
> 
> 
> Hugs,
> Andrea M. Breier
> -----Original Message- 
> From: krystal watson
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
> 
> i mean it lets you email or message the text that is good the only thing i 
> don't like is you don't know what letter you type and there is no way i 
> could have known that with out  buying the app and testing it first that is 
> the only thing about app store in i tunes you can't try a app to see if you 
> like it  before buying it but i guess that is all my fault as people say i 
> chose to try it and if i don't like it then its my fault
> On 13/07/2012, at 11:17 PM, Andrea Breier wrote:
> 
>> It just seems to me that just because developers state in their 
>> description that an app is designed for the blind, the price is 
>> automatically boosted to four times the price.
>> Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great 
>> idea for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to 
>> give it a try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day 
>> trial.  I can always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL
>> 
>> 
>> Hugs,
>> Andrea M. Breier
>> -Original Message- From: Mike Maslo
>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 7:50 AM
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
>> 
>> Pay for quality
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Re: my fleksy podcast

[Sarah Alawami]

lol. tffp is the name of the podcast. The name stuck after I called it the fun 
filled podcast. Enjoy the fleksy demo.
On Jul 13, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Arthur Barney wrote:

> Hi Sarah,
> that isn't going to work.
> It should be ftp, and not tffp
> - Original Message - From: "Sarah Alawami" 
> To: "mac access list iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:24 PM
> Subject: my fleksy podcast
> 
> 
>> for those that are having trouble witht he page try this link instead.
>> 
>> http://tffp.marrie.org/486
>> 
>> it is unshortned so I hope it works.
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RE: my fleksy podcast

[David Griffith]

Worked for me ok

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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Arthur Barney
Sent: 13 July 2012 23:25
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: my fleksy podcast

Hi Sarah,
that isn't going to work.
It should be ftp, and not tffp
- Original Message - 
From: "Sarah Alawami" 
To: "mac access list iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:24 PM
Subject: my fleksy podcast


> for those that are having trouble witht he page try this link instead.
>
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Re: my fleksy podcast

[Chris G]

tffp is the name of her podcast.


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Subject: Re: my fleksy podcast

> Hi Sarah,
> that isn't going to work.
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Re: my fleksy podcast

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Hi Sarah,
that isn't going to work.
It should be ftp, and not tffp
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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:24 PM
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for those that are having trouble witht he page try this link instead.

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Re: fleksy and emoticons

[Ian McNamara]

Hi Fleksy is very good in my opinion, you do not need to be completely accurate 
with your typing in fleksy if you get close enough it will guess what you mean. 
When you've put your word in and swiped to the write and it tells you what you 
typed if it is the wrong word just keep swiping down and it will generally find 
the write one, It's worked nearly every time for me.

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Re: my fleksy podcast

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thank you so much for this and i hope your tooth is ok 

On 13 Jul 2012, at 22:24, Sarah Alawami  wrote:

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my fleksy podcast

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RE: fleksy and emoticons

[Paula Hobley]

Hi there

Does anybody know how to type in emoticons using Fleksy?  I've used the
router to get to the symbols but once there can't figure out how to entre
the correct symbols.

Thanks for your help with this.

Paula


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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andrea Breier
Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2012 12:00 AM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: fleksy is out!

That is exactly my point.  I am sorry you had to commit that much money, 
just to get a look at the app.  This is my opinion on any app, not just apps

for the blind.  I always buy quality products and usually pay more for them,

but I usually get to see what I am buying first.  I tend to check out apps 
if they are free or just a couple of dollars.  With this said, very few apps

on my devices are the free ones just because I don't like the adds that are 
usually built in to them.  I know that the inter net is not free nor do I 
expect to get things for free.  But at the same time, I will not assume that

something is a quality product just because it has a larger price tag 
attached to it .  This is why I mentioned the app developers that offer a 
free trial period, that way they would give an app with a little higher 
price for better quality a risk free trial to their customers.  That is all 
I am saying.



Hugs,
Andrea M. Breier
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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM
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Subject: Re: fleksy is out!

i mean it lets you email or message the text that is good the only thing i 
don't like is you don't know what letter you type and there is no way i 
could have known that with out  buying the app and testing it first that is 
the only thing about app store in i tunes you can't try a app to see if you 
like it  before buying it but i guess that is all my fault as people say i 
chose to try it and if i don't like it then its my fault
On 13/07/2012, at 11:17 PM, Andrea Breier wrote:

> It just seems to me that just because developers state in their 
> description that an app is designed for the blind, the price is 
> automatically boosted to four times the price.
> Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great 
> idea for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to 
> give it a try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day 
> trial.  I can always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL
>
>
> Hugs,
> Andrea M. Breier
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> Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
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Re: fleksy is out!

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Hi I like the app a lot and have used it quite a lot today to send texts. I am 
very pleased with it and hope apple do allow integration of it.

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Next time you are in Safari, just give it a go and then flick up and down to 
jump between headings etc. Actually makes surfing on the iPhone and iPad really 
enjoyable.
On 13 Jul 2012, at 18:28, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Chris
> 
> Wow!  How on earth did I ever live without that!  Thanks for pointing me in 
> the right direction.  To be utterly honest I've never used the rotor function 
> on any platform because I've never found the need for it.  I still don't use 
> the trackpad on my Macs, I just can't get out of the habit of keyboard use, 
> engrained in me for a very long time I guess.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 13 Jul 2012, at 18:04, Chris Moore  wrote:
> 
> Very easy Gordon and extremely useful when switching between elements in 
> Safari (such as Headings, lists, tables etc).  The gesture also works on the 
> Mac track pad.  Place your thumb at 9 o'clock and your index finger at 3 
> o'clock, then rotate both fingers so you are pointing one at 12 and the other 
> at 6.  Very much like turning a volume dial on a amplifier.  Give it a go, 
> and if you like it then go into the VO settings and add more items to your 
> rotor,  I could not live without this convenience, even on the Mac when 
> testing websites.
> 
> 
> Chris 
> On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:55, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi Chris
>> 
>> I'll have to be absolutely honest here, I've never even used the rotor 
>> before!  I have never found the need to investigate it.  So I guess I'll 
>> have to do that.
>> 
>> Gordon
>> 
>> On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:51, Chris Moore  wrote:
>> 
>> Gordon,
>> 
>> Go to any text entry field, use the rotor, select typing mode, and then 
>> flick up and down to toggle between standard or touch typing.
>> On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:47, Gordon Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Abdrea
>>> 
>>> Regarding your download, you probably downloaded the trial from the 
>>> developer's website, is that not correct?  Apple has a policy that 
>>> trial-ware isn't allowed in the App store.  Feel free to check out their 
>>> terms and conditions.
>>> 
>>> I am going to try this app, as I think I'll be in a better position to 
>>> comment when I've seen it.
>>> 
>>> On another note, I've been meaning to mention this for a while.  Anybody 
>>> know how you turn on/off touch-typing mode?  I've looked under the 
>>> accessibility tab but didn't see it there.
>>> 
>>> Gordon
>>> 
>>> On 13 Jul 2012, at 15:42, Andrea Breier  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Exactly Gordon, this is all just food for thought.  I went to the app store 
>>> and this was what I personally thought of what I saw regarding this 
>>> particular app.  It is alright to post comments for discussion here?  As 
>>> far as trials provided in the app store.  I disagree.  I have downloaded 
>>> several apps that had "in app" purchase, i.e. navigon and planet finder, 
>>> and also apps that had a thirty day free trial attached.  I do not recall 
>>> the exact app, but it was a gps app that used voice input to set up your 
>>> routs.  Maybe others can recall, but I don't remember off hand. Like I said 
>>> in my first post, I think this app sounds really cool, I just think it is a 
>>> high price compared to other apps in the app store
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hugs,
>>> Andrea M. Breier
>>> -Original Message- From: Gordon Smith
>>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM
>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>>> Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> Apple does not permit developers to put trial ware programs into the App 
>>> store.  As for the price being boosted because it's for the visually 
>>> impaired, I'm sorry, I don't agree with that at all.  Yes, I grant you that 
>>> it does happen on the Windows side of things.  But just take a look at what 
>>> you're getting with your iOS device for free.  Voiceover itself took a 
>>> great deal of development and resources.  Apple opted to make that free for 
>>> all of us.  The developers of this application do have to cover their 
>>> costs, and as I said earlier whether or not you're prepared to pay the 
>>> price is entirely a personal decision.
>>> 
>>> Gordon
>>> 
>>> On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:17, "Andrea Breier"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It just seems to me that just becau

Re: fleksy is out!

[Gordon Smith]

Hi Chris

Wow!  How on earth did I ever live without that!  Thanks for pointing me in the 
right direction.  To be utterly honest I've never used the rotor function on 
any platform because I've never found the need for it.  I still don't use the 
trackpad on my Macs, I just can't get out of the habit of keyboard use, 
engrained in me for a very long time I guess.

Gordon

On 13 Jul 2012, at 18:04, Chris Moore  wrote:

Very easy Gordon and extremely useful when switching between elements in Safari 
(such as Headings, lists, tables etc).  The gesture also works on the Mac track 
pad.  Place your thumb at 9 o'clock and your index finger at 3 o'clock, then 
rotate both fingers so you are pointing one at 12 and the other at 6.  Very 
much like turning a volume dial on a amplifier.  Give it a go, and if you like 
it then go into the VO settings and add more items to your rotor,  I could not 
live without this convenience, even on the Mac when testing websites.


Chris 
On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:55, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Chris
> 
> I'll have to be absolutely honest here, I've never even used the rotor 
> before!  I have never found the need to investigate it.  So I guess I'll have 
> to do that.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:51, Chris Moore  wrote:
> 
> Gordon,
> 
> Go to any text entry field, use the rotor, select typing mode, and then flick 
> up and down to toggle between standard or touch typing.
> On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:47, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hello Abdrea
>> 
>> Regarding your download, you probably downloaded the trial from the 
>> developer's website, is that not correct?  Apple has a policy that 
>> trial-ware isn't allowed in the App store.  Feel free to check out their 
>> terms and conditions.
>> 
>> I am going to try this app, as I think I'll be in a better position to 
>> comment when I've seen it.
>> 
>> On another note, I've been meaning to mention this for a while.  Anybody 
>> know how you turn on/off touch-typing mode?  I've looked under the 
>> accessibility tab but didn't see it there.
>> 
>> Gordon
>> 
>> On 13 Jul 2012, at 15:42, Andrea Breier  wrote:
>> 
>> Exactly Gordon, this is all just food for thought.  I went to the app store 
>> and this was what I personally thought of what I saw regarding this 
>> particular app.  It is alright to post comments for discussion here?  As far 
>> as trials provided in the app store.  I disagree.  I have downloaded several 
>> apps that had "in app" purchase, i.e. navigon and planet finder, and also 
>> apps that had a thirty day free trial attached.  I do not recall the exact 
>> app, but it was a gps app that used voice input to set up your routs.  Maybe 
>> others can recall, but I don't remember off hand. Like I said in my first 
>> post, I think this app sounds really cool, I just think it is a high price 
>> compared to other apps in the app store
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hugs,
>> Andrea M. Breier
>> -Original Message- From: Gordon Smith
>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> Apple does not permit developers to put trial ware programs into the App 
>> store.  As for the price being boosted because it's for the visually 
>> impaired, I'm sorry, I don't agree with that at all.  Yes, I grant you that 
>> it does happen on the Windows side of things.  But just take a look at what 
>> you're getting with your iOS device for free.  Voiceover itself took a great 
>> deal of development and resources.  Apple opted to make that free for all of 
>> us.  The developers of this application do have to cover their costs, and as 
>> I said earlier whether or not you're prepared to pay the price is entirely a 
>> personal decision.
>> 
>> Gordon
>> 
>> On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:17, "Andrea Breier"  wrote:
>> 
>> It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description 
>> that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted to 
>> four times the price.
>> Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great 
>> idea for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to 
>> give it a try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day 
>> trial.  I can always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL
>> 
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Hi Mike

I assume you meant to say counterproductive, not country productive, LOL!  But 
yes, quite right.  It's a totally vacuous exercise to complain about the price 
of an application on list.  If anybody has a problem with a specific 
application, the best avenue to follow is directly with the developer.  Mac 
Access isn't monitored by that particular developer, yet!  But quite right, 
let's try and be constructive.   I was quite happy with the price I just paid, 
so that's it, I bought it.  £10.49 GBP is, to me at least, a very reasonable 
price to pay.

Gordon

On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:54, Mike Maslo  wrote:

I think it is country productive to cry about a price. 
If you think a application is to expensive don't buy it. Why keep crying over 
something you can't do a thing about it. I thought this list was for 
constructive criticism and not. A arena to complain about a price of a 
application. As Gordon states earlier some like it and others don't. What is 
the purpose of complaining? 

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Simple, blind people want everything for free!  Let's remember folks that we 
are a small group compared to the non sighted world.  Either way, dev costs 
have to be met and of course if there is more people who could buy the app, 
then the price is obviously going to be cheaper as the app will pay for itself 
with a higher volume of sales.  So the blind targeted apps are not going to 
sell as many mainstream apps.  I am sure one or two of you have paid a few 
dollars for a blind friendly game.
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> I think it is country productive to cry about a price. 
> If you think a application is to expensive don't buy it. Why keep crying over 
> something you can't do a thing about it. I thought this list was for 
> constructive criticism and not. A arena to complain about a price of a 
> application. As Gordon states earlier some like it and others don't. What is 
> the purpose of complaining? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 13, 2012, at 9:42 AM, "Andrea Breier"  wrote:
> 
>> Exactly Gordon, this is all just food for thought.  I went to the app store 
>> and this was what I personally thought of what I saw regarding this 
>> particular app.  It is alright to post comments for discussion here?  As far 
>> as trials provided in the app store.  I disagree.  I have downloaded several 
>> apps that had "in app" purchase, i.e. navigon and planet finder, and also 
>> apps that had a thirty day free trial attached.  I do not recall the exact 
>> app, but it was a gps app that used voice input to set up your routs.  Maybe 
>> others can recall, but I don't remember off hand. Like I said in my first 
>> post, I think this app sounds really cool, I just think it is a high price 
>> compared to other apps in the app store
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hugs,
>> Andrea M. Breier
>> -Original Message- From: Gordon Smith
>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> Apple does not permit developers to put trial ware programs into the App 
>> store.  As for the price being boosted because it's for the visually 
>> impaired, I'm sorry, I don't agree with that at all.  Yes, I grant you that 
>> it does happen on the Windows side of things.  But just take a look at what 
>> you're getting with your iOS device for free.  Voiceover itself took a great 
>> deal of development and resources.  Apple opted to make that free for all of 
>> us.  The developers of this application do have to cover their costs, and as 
>> I said earlier whether or not you're prepared to pay the price is entirely a 
>> personal decision.
>> 
>> Gordon
>> 
>> On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:17, "Andrea Breier"  wrote:
>> 
>> It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description 
>> that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted to 
>> four times the price.
>> Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great 
>> idea for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to 
>> give it a try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day 
>> trial.  I can always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL
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Re: fleksy is out!

[Chris Moore]

Very easy Gordon and extremely useful when switching between elements in Safari 
(such as Headings, lists, tables etc).  The gesture also works on the Mac track 
pad.  Place your thumb at 9 o'clock and your index finger at 3 o'clock, then 
rotate both fingers so you are pointing one at 12 and the other at 6.  Very 
much like turning a volume dial on a amplifier.  Give it a go, and if you like 
it then go into the VO settings and add more items to your rotor,  I could not 
live without this convenience, even on the Mac when testing websites.


Chris 
On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:55, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Chris
> 
> I'll have to be absolutely honest here, I've never even used the rotor 
> before!  I have never found the need to investigate it.  So I guess I'll have 
> to do that.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:51, Chris Moore  wrote:
> 
> Gordon,
> 
> Go to any text entry field, use the rotor, select typing mode, and then flick 
> up and down to toggle between standard or touch typing.
> On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:47, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hello Abdrea
>> 
>> Regarding your download, you probably downloaded the trial from the 
>> developer's website, is that not correct?  Apple has a policy that 
>> trial-ware isn't allowed in the App store.  Feel free to check out their 
>> terms and conditions.
>> 
>> I am going to try this app, as I think I'll be in a better position to 
>> comment when I've seen it.
>> 
>> On another note, I've been meaning to mention this for a while.  Anybody 
>> know how you turn on/off touch-typing mode?  I've looked under the 
>> accessibility tab but didn't see it there.
>> 
>> Gordon
>> 
>> On 13 Jul 2012, at 15:42, Andrea Breier  wrote:
>> 
>> Exactly Gordon, this is all just food for thought.  I went to the app store 
>> and this was what I personally thought of what I saw regarding this 
>> particular app.  It is alright to post comments for discussion here?  As far 
>> as trials provided in the app store.  I disagree.  I have downloaded several 
>> apps that had "in app" purchase, i.e. navigon and planet finder, and also 
>> apps that had a thirty day free trial attached.  I do not recall the exact 
>> app, but it was a gps app that used voice input to set up your routs.  Maybe 
>> others can recall, but I don't remember off hand. Like I said in my first 
>> post, I think this app sounds really cool, I just think it is a high price 
>> compared to other apps in the app store
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hugs,
>> Andrea M. Breier
>> -Original Message- From: Gordon Smith
>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> Apple does not permit developers to put trial ware programs into the App 
>> store.  As for the price being boosted because it's for the visually 
>> impaired, I'm sorry, I don't agree with that at all.  Yes, I grant you that 
>> it does happen on the Windows side of things.  But just take a look at what 
>> you're getting with your iOS device for free.  Voiceover itself took a great 
>> deal of development and resources.  Apple opted to make that free for all of 
>> us.  The developers of this application do have to cover their costs, and as 
>> I said earlier whether or not you're prepared to pay the price is entirely a 
>> personal decision.
>> 
>> Gordon
>> 
>> On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:17, "Andrea Breier"  wrote:
>> 
>> It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description 
>> that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted to 
>> four times the price.
>> Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great 
>> idea for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to 
>> give it a try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day 
>> trial.  I can always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL
>> 
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Re: fleksy is out!

[Mike Maslo]

I think it is country productive to cry about a price. 
If you think a application is to expensive don't buy it. Why keep crying over 
something you can't do a thing about it. I thought this list was for 
constructive criticism and not. A arena to complain about a price of a 
application. As Gordon states earlier some like it and others don't. What is 
the purpose of complaining? 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 13, 2012, at 9:42 AM, "Andrea Breier"  wrote:

> Exactly Gordon, this is all just food for thought.  I went to the app store 
> and this was what I personally thought of what I saw regarding this 
> particular app.  It is alright to post comments for discussion here?  As far 
> as trials provided in the app store.  I disagree.  I have downloaded several 
> apps that had "in app" purchase, i.e. navigon and planet finder, and also 
> apps that had a thirty day free trial attached.  I do not recall the exact 
> app, but it was a gps app that used voice input to set up your routs.  Maybe 
> others can recall, but I don't remember off hand. Like I said in my first 
> post, I think this app sounds really cool, I just think it is a high price 
> compared to other apps in the app store
> 
> 
> 
> Hugs,
> Andrea M. Breier
> -Original Message- From: Gordon Smith
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
> 
> Hi
> 
> Apple does not permit developers to put trial ware programs into the App 
> store.  As for the price being boosted because it's for the visually 
> impaired, I'm sorry, I don't agree with that at all.  Yes, I grant you that 
> it does happen on the Windows side of things.  But just take a look at what 
> you're getting with your iOS device for free.  Voiceover itself took a great 
> deal of development and resources.  Apple opted to make that free for all of 
> us.  The developers of this application do have to cover their costs, and as 
> I said earlier whether or not you're prepared to pay the price is entirely a 
> personal decision.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:17, "Andrea Breier"  wrote:
> 
> It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description 
> that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted to 
> four times the price.
> Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great idea 
> for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to give it a 
> try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day trial.  I can 
> always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL
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Re: fleksy is out!

[Dan Eickmeier]

Hi Gordon,  typing mode  is one of the options in the roter. After selecting 
that, you'll be able to pick between standard, and touch typing.  

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-07-13, at 12:47 PM, Gordon Smith  wrote:

> Hello Abdrea
> 
> Regarding your download, you probably downloaded the trial from the 
> developer's website, is that not correct?  Apple has a policy that trial-ware 
> isn't allowed in the App store.  Feel free to check out their terms and 
> conditions.
> 
> I am going to try this app, as I think I'll be in a better position to 
> comment when I've seen it.
> 
> On another note, I've been meaning to mention this for a while.  Anybody know 
> how you turn on/off touch-typing mode?  I've looked under the accessibility 
> tab but didn't see it there.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 13 Jul 2012, at 15:42, Andrea Breier  wrote:
> 
> Exactly Gordon, this is all just food for thought.  I went to the app store 
> and this was what I personally thought of what I saw regarding this 
> particular app.  It is alright to post comments for discussion here?  As far 
> as trials provided in the app store.  I disagree.  I have downloaded several 
> apps that had "in app" purchase, i.e. navigon and planet finder, and also 
> apps that had a thirty day free trial attached.  I do not recall the exact 
> app, but it was a gps app that used voice input to set up your routs.  Maybe 
> others can recall, but I don't remember off hand. Like I said in my first 
> post, I think this app sounds really cool, I just think it is a high price 
> compared to other apps in the app store
> 
> 
> 
> Hugs,
> Andrea M. Breier
> -Original Message- From: Gordon Smith
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
> 
> Hi
> 
> Apple does not permit developers to put trial ware programs into the App 
> store.  As for the price being boosted because it's for the visually 
> impaired, I'm sorry, I don't agree with that at all.  Yes, I grant you that 
> it does happen on the Windows side of things.  But just take a look at what 
> you're getting with your iOS device for free.  Voiceover itself took a great 
> deal of development and resources.  Apple opted to make that free for all of 
> us.  The developers of this application do have to cover their costs, and as 
> I said earlier whether or not you're prepared to pay the price is entirely a 
> personal decision.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:17, "Andrea Breier"  wrote:
> 
> It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description 
> that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted to 
> four times the price.
> Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great idea 
> for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to give it a 
> try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day trial.  I can 
> always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL
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Re: fleksy is out!

[Gordon Smith]

Hi Chris

I'll have to be absolutely honest here, I've never even used the rotor before!  
I have never found the need to investigate it.  So I guess I'll have to do that.

Gordon

On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:51, Chris Moore  wrote:

Gordon,

Go to any text entry field, use the rotor, select typing mode, and then flick 
up and down to toggle between standard or touch typing.
On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:47, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hello Abdrea
> 
> Regarding your download, you probably downloaded the trial from the 
> developer's website, is that not correct?  Apple has a policy that trial-ware 
> isn't allowed in the App store.  Feel free to check out their terms and 
> conditions.
> 
> I am going to try this app, as I think I'll be in a better position to 
> comment when I've seen it.
> 
> On another note, I've been meaning to mention this for a while.  Anybody know 
> how you turn on/off touch-typing mode?  I've looked under the accessibility 
> tab but didn't see it there.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 13 Jul 2012, at 15:42, Andrea Breier  wrote:
> 
> Exactly Gordon, this is all just food for thought.  I went to the app store 
> and this was what I personally thought of what I saw regarding this 
> particular app.  It is alright to post comments for discussion here?  As far 
> as trials provided in the app store.  I disagree.  I have downloaded several 
> apps that had "in app" purchase, i.e. navigon and planet finder, and also 
> apps that had a thirty day free trial attached.  I do not recall the exact 
> app, but it was a gps app that used voice input to set up your routs.  Maybe 
> others can recall, but I don't remember off hand. Like I said in my first 
> post, I think this app sounds really cool, I just think it is a high price 
> compared to other apps in the app store
> 
> 
> 
> Hugs,
> Andrea M. Breier
> -Original Message- From: Gordon Smith
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
> 
> Hi
> 
> Apple does not permit developers to put trial ware programs into the App 
> store.  As for the price being boosted because it's for the visually 
> impaired, I'm sorry, I don't agree with that at all.  Yes, I grant you that 
> it does happen on the Windows side of things.  But just take a look at what 
> you're getting with your iOS device for free.  Voiceover itself took a great 
> deal of development and resources.  Apple opted to make that free for all of 
> us.  The developers of this application do have to cover their costs, and as 
> I said earlier whether or not you're prepared to pay the price is entirely a 
> personal decision.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:17, "Andrea Breier"  wrote:
> 
> It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description 
> that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted to 
> four times the price.
> Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great idea 
> for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to give it a 
> try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day trial.  I can 
> always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL
> 
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Re: fleksy is out!

[Chris Moore]

Gordon,

Go to any text entry field, use the rotor, select typing mode, and then flick 
up and down to toggle between standard or touch typing.
On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:47, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hello Abdrea
> 
> Regarding your download, you probably downloaded the trial from the 
> developer's website, is that not correct?  Apple has a policy that trial-ware 
> isn't allowed in the App store.  Feel free to check out their terms and 
> conditions.
> 
> I am going to try this app, as I think I'll be in a better position to 
> comment when I've seen it.
> 
> On another note, I've been meaning to mention this for a while.  Anybody know 
> how you turn on/off touch-typing mode?  I've looked under the accessibility 
> tab but didn't see it there.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 13 Jul 2012, at 15:42, Andrea Breier  wrote:
> 
> Exactly Gordon, this is all just food for thought.  I went to the app store 
> and this was what I personally thought of what I saw regarding this 
> particular app.  It is alright to post comments for discussion here?  As far 
> as trials provided in the app store.  I disagree.  I have downloaded several 
> apps that had "in app" purchase, i.e. navigon and planet finder, and also 
> apps that had a thirty day free trial attached.  I do not recall the exact 
> app, but it was a gps app that used voice input to set up your routs.  Maybe 
> others can recall, but I don't remember off hand. Like I said in my first 
> post, I think this app sounds really cool, I just think it is a high price 
> compared to other apps in the app store
> 
> 
> 
> Hugs,
> Andrea M. Breier
> -Original Message- From: Gordon Smith
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
> 
> Hi
> 
> Apple does not permit developers to put trial ware programs into the App 
> store.  As for the price being boosted because it's for the visually 
> impaired, I'm sorry, I don't agree with that at all.  Yes, I grant you that 
> it does happen on the Windows side of things.  But just take a look at what 
> you're getting with your iOS device for free.  Voiceover itself took a great 
> deal of development and resources.  Apple opted to make that free for all of 
> us.  The developers of this application do have to cover their costs, and as 
> I said earlier whether or not you're prepared to pay the price is entirely a 
> personal decision.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:17, "Andrea Breier"  wrote:
> 
> It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description 
> that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted to 
> four times the price.
> Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great idea 
> for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to give it a 
> try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day trial.  I can 
> always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL
> 
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