Re: [Bulk] skype and accessibility (or the lack of it).

[Eric Oyen]

read my bcc response to them (just sent).

-eric

On Dec 15, 2011, at 8:09 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> time to take it further then.  Quote their own letter to them and then say 
> exactly what you just said to us.  Make them respond!
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 15, 2011, at 9:05 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
> 
>> well,
>> I sent in a letter to the Skype team asking why they removed an old feature 
>> (accessibility via voiceover) and the form letter I got back is enough for 
>> me to ask :do I have stupid printed across my forehead? must be, because you 
>> seem to think I am!".
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> these guys think accessibility is a new feature (or at least their form 
>> letter response indicates such). Hell, I requested a human response and got 
>> a machine generated one. this is what I call a lack of customer support.
>> 
>> here is the letter they sent back to me...
>> 
>>  Subject:Re: regarding inaccessibility of skype in Ios 5 
>> <<#1435730-2257231#>>
>>  From:   Skype Customer Service 
>>  Date:   December 15, 2011 2:49:59 PM MST
>>  To: Eric Oyen 
>> Hello Eric,
>> 
>> Thank you for contacting Skype Customer Service.
>> 
>> We understand that you would like to do a follow up on the Voice over 
>> feature of Skype for it's latest version. Please allow us to assist you.
>> 
>> We regret to inform you that unfortunately this feature is not currently 
>> available in Skype.  
>> 
>> We will pass on your request to our development team for consideration and 
>> potential inclusion in a future release.
>> 
>> We appreciate your feedback and will definitely look into it.  
>> 
>> However, implementing changes and creating new features can take time, which 
>> means that the suggestions you make today might not be available in the near 
>> future.  
>> 
>> Please be patient while we work to make Skype even better.
>> 
>> Should you need more assistance, feel free to contact us again.
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Ivan C.
>> Skype Customer Service
>> 
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Re: regarding inaccessibility of skype in Ios 5 <<#1435730-2257231#>>

[Eric Oyen]

this might sound a little terse but...

Do I have a sign pasted to my forehead that says "STUPID"?!? I wrote to you 
requesting a real human contact, not an apparently machine generated 
boilerplate.

now for the gist of my complaint:

1. previous versions of Skype on the "iDevices" (such as the iPhone, iPad and 
iPod) had this accessibility feature. so, why not the new version? it appears 
that your team left out this very important feature. I do not care if this was 
an accidental omission or by deliberate design. the fact is that it is a 
deliberate slap in the face for every blind or print impaired individual on the 
planet that uses one of these devices (there are more than 5 million of  us so 
far). 

also, the fact that all I received for my efforts (besides not being able to 
read my text messages) is poor customer service. any reasonable company will 
have some staff on hand to handle special cases such as I. so far, your team 
has not done so (as evidenced by your boilerplate response). thus, I am forced 
to try and find an older version and reinstall it to my iphone just to get back 
what I had. this is entirely unacceptable.

I don't want to have to escalate this, but if you continue to be unresponsive, 
I will be left with no choice but to contact microsoft customer support (as 
microsoft is the new parent company of Skype). 

so, do me the favor of at least respecting my request and put back the 
accessibility your application previously had.

-eric oyen.

* this message will be carbon copied to the blind community that has a vested 
interest in accessibility. As I am one of the parties involved, I invoke my 
right to use the information contained herein under the fair use directive of 
the US Copyright  Act..

On Dec 15, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Skype Customer Service wrote:

> Hello Eric,
>  
> Thank you for contacting Skype Customer Service.
>  
> We understand that you would like to do a follow up on the Voice over feature 
> of Skype for it's latest version. Please allow us to assist you.
>  
> We regret to inform you that unfortunately this feature is not currently 
> available in Skype.  
>  
> We will pass on your request to our development team for consideration and 
> potential inclusion in a future release.
>  
> We appreciate your feedback and will definitely look into it.  
>  
> However, implementing changes and creating new features can take time, which 
> means that the suggestions you make today might not be available in the near 
> future.  
>  
> Please be patient while we work to make Skype even better.
>  
> Should you need more assistance, feel free to contact us again.
>  
> Best Regards,
> 
> Ivan C.
> Skype Customer Service
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> 
> --- Original Message ---
> From: Eric Oyen 
> Received: 12/16/11 4:41:55 AM GMT+08:00
> To: contac...@skype.net
> Subject: regarding inaccessibility of skype in Ios 5
> 
> gentlemen, 
> I don't want a form letter response or a "we are looking into the matter" 
> letter. 
> 
> what I want from you is to re-implement you already have the code and API 
> calls to work with voiceover (as whitnessed by the previous versions prior to 
> the current release) so why leave them out. 
> 
> as a reminder, we the blind make up a considerable chunk of your userbase 
> across the various platforms (iOS, OS X, Windows, Linux and Android). thats 
> roughly 12% of your userbase that you are about to leave out in the cold. 
> 
> so, you need to be aware that an update to turn back on the accessibility 
> features is not a request, its a demand. 
> 
> now, some like me, use the Skype in/ Skype out feature (that actually costs 
> money) and not allowing me to use that functionality is tantamount to 
> shooting yourselves in the foot. that is REAL MONEY you are abandoning for no 
> good reason. 
> 
> 
> -eric 
> 
> 
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driver for Opticbook 3600

[Daniel Crone]

Hello.  On Plustek's web site, there is a driver for the plustek opticbook 3600 
scanner.  But it is only for system 6.3 and below.  I have 6.8.  Anyone have a 
solution?

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Re: braille connect 40 inputing text on the mac or Ipad

[Rachel Magario]

Let me check. I was just trying to enter words and I did not pay attention to 
that.
RM
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 15, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

> What exactly does it enter, and does the nonsensical text change
> depending on the braille character you type? What happens, for
> instance, with an a (dot 1)? What about a b (1-2)?
> 
> On 12/15/11, Rachel Magario  wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> anyone using braille connect40?
>> I am having trouble inputting text with it. Every time I write something it
>> enters a bunch of gibberish instead of what I am typing.
>> Anyone has been successful with entering text?
>> Thank you and my apologies if you got double emails.
>> Rachel.
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Re: [Bulk] skype and accessibility (or the lack of it).

[Ray Foret Jr]

time to take it further then.  Quote their own letter to them and then say 
exactly what you just said to us.  Make them respond!


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

Facebook:
facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1



On Dec 15, 2011, at 9:05 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:

> well,
> I sent in a letter to the Skype team asking why they removed an old feature 
> (accessibility via voiceover) and the form letter I got back is enough for me 
> to ask :do I have stupid printed across my forehead? must be, because you 
> seem to think I am!".
> 
> 
> 
> these guys think accessibility is a new feature (or at least their form 
> letter response indicates such). Hell, I requested a human response and got a 
> machine generated one. this is what I call a lack of customer support.
> 
> here is the letter they sent back to me...
> 
>   Subject:Re: regarding inaccessibility of skype in Ios 5 
> <<#1435730-2257231#>>
>   From:   Skype Customer Service 
>   Date:   December 15, 2011 2:49:59 PM MST
>   To: Eric Oyen 
> Hello Eric,
> 
> Thank you for contacting Skype Customer Service.
> 
> We understand that you would like to do a follow up on the Voice over feature 
> of Skype for it's latest version. Please allow us to assist you.
> 
> We regret to inform you that unfortunately this feature is not currently 
> available in Skype.  
> 
> We will pass on your request to our development team for consideration and 
> potential inclusion in a future release.
> 
> We appreciate your feedback and will definitely look into it.  
> 
> However, implementing changes and creating new features can take time, which 
> means that the suggestions you make today might not be available in the near 
> future.  
> 
> Please be patient while we work to make Skype even better.
> 
> Should you need more assistance, feel free to contact us again.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Ivan C.
> Skype Customer Service
> 
> 
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skype and accessibility (or the lack of it).

[Eric Oyen]

well,
I sent in a letter to the Skype team asking why they removed an old feature 
(accessibility via voiceover) and the form letter I got back is enough for me 
to ask :do I have stupid printed across my forehead? must be, because you seem 
to think I am!".



these guys think accessibility is a new feature (or at least their form letter 
response indicates such). Hell, I requested a human response and got a machine 
generated one. this is what I call a lack of customer support.

here is the letter they sent back to me...

Subject:Re: regarding inaccessibility of skype in Ios 5 
<<#1435730-2257231#>>
From:   Skype Customer Service 
Date:   December 15, 2011 2:49:59 PM MST
To: Eric Oyen 
Hello Eric,
 
Thank you for contacting Skype Customer Service.
 
We understand that you would like to do a follow up on the Voice over feature 
of Skype for it's latest version. Please allow us to assist you.
 
We regret to inform you that unfortunately this feature is not currently 
available in Skype.  
 
We will pass on your request to our development team for consideration and 
potential inclusion in a future release.
 
We appreciate your feedback and will definitely look into it.  
 
However, implementing changes and creating new features can take time, which 
means that the suggestions you make today might not be available in the near 
future.  
 
Please be patient while we work to make Skype even better.
 
Should you need more assistance, feel free to contact us again.
 
Best Regards,

Ivan C.
Skype Customer Service
 

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Re: Wireless keyboard

[Rachel Magario]

for the rooter I just use the quick nab key on and navigate through the 
elements of your rooter by using the left plus up key or right and up key. then 
just use your up and down to navigate the element you chose.
and right and left to move through the all the elements of the site.
HTH.
Rachel.
On Dec 15, 2011, at 10:56 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:

> Hi Rahul!
> Heres a link to give you a list of commands!
> 
> http://axslab.com/articles/ios-voiceover-gestures-and-keyboard-commands.php
> 
> On 15 Dec 2011, at 16:02, Rahul Bajaj wrote:
> 
>> Hey Ricardo,
>> 
>> Thanks for your message.
>> BTW, how can I use the rotor for using Safari?
>> 
>> 
>> On 15/12/2011, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> basic navigation is exactly the same as on the Mac.  You can also use quick
>>> nav (just like on the Mac) by pressing the left and right arrow keys to
>>> toggle this mode on/off.  For Safari, I guess using the rotor is the best
>>> way to go.  In my opinion, if your a Mac user, there really isn't much one
>>> needs to know.
>>> 
>>> hth
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
>>> www.mobileaccess.org
>>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2011, at 7:43 AM, Rahul Bajaj wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 
 I've recently purchased an Apple wireless keyboard for my iPod Touch.
 So, I would be extremely grateful if any of you would be able to share a
 few tips that would help me in using the keyboard.
 Which key combinations do you find most useful?
 How can I use Safari with the help of my keyboard?
 
 Your help would be really appreciated.
 
 Cheers,
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Re: Funny iPhone story

[Ricardo Walker]

Wow!

Thats a bit out there.  Steve Jobs didn't even say that much in his own 
biography.

Ricardo Walker
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On Dec 15, 2011, at 9:20 PM, Keith Watson wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> A better answer would have been that Bill Gates stole the idea for Winblows 
> from Apple.
> 
> Just sayin'
> 
> Keith
> 
> On Dec 13, 2011, at 9:15 PM, Gigi wrote:
> 
>> Ok guys. 
>> Here is a funny iPhone story that happened to me today. 
>> 
>> I was on the bus using Sendero to make sure I didn't lose track of my bus 
>> stop. I kept asking it for the cross street, and the person across the isle 
>> told me what the iPhone had just said. I said: "I know. My iPhone just told 
>> me." I like to do that as education method. 
>> 
>> However, this time I got into more of an education process than I bargained 
>> for. The driver said with disbelief: "Your iPhone told you!" The gentleman 
>> assured her that yes indeed, I had been using my phone all along for this. 
>> Of course, I piped up and said: "Did you know your iPhone can talk?"
>> 
>> Then the gentleman said, with all the confidence of one who knows things: 
>> "Yeah, that's cool.. Bill Gates made it along with with the iMac." 
>> 
>> With all due apology to the iMac and iPhone development teams, I figured it 
>> was time to simplify this discussion. I said: "Oh, no. Steve Jobs made the 
>> iPhone and the Mac." Well, he just couldn't let it rest. He said: "Well, 
>> what did Bill Gates do?" After I just said, simply, "He made Windows." It's 
>> funny the education process we blind folks get into when we start using our 
>> technology very obviously in public. 
>> 
>> With amusement:
>> Gigi
>> With all due apology 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Re: Num Pad Accessory

[Keith Watson]

Will, you used to have to hold the Voice Over keys and navigate with the arrow 
keys. Quick Nav basically locks you into Voice Over mode so you don't need to 
hold down the VO keys. It also allows you to rotate through the rotor.

HTH 

Keith

On Dec 14, 2011, at 2:03 AM, Cheree Heppe wrote:

> Cheree Heppe here:
> 
> Excellent! Because I am going to migrate M I G R A T E from the Windows 
> platform at my earliest convenience.
> 
> What's QuickNav?
> 
> Thanks for the answer.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Cheree Heppe
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 12/12/2011, at 20:22, Dan Roy  wrote:
> 
>> This is especially true now with quicknav.  I know, everyone has their own 
>> preference for what's comfortable to them.  but, for me, quicknav was a huge 
>> improvement.
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 12, 2011, at 3:42 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
>> 
>>> nope. all the main interface  is with the normal keyboard layout. numpad 
>>> commander may require it but to be honest I don't use it. just my normal 
>>> keyboard on my macbook pro.
>>> 
>>> am I right in thinking you may be taking the plunge in buying a new mac? if 
>>> so, may I shake your hand and congratulate you on a wise decision :)
>>> 
>>> lol
>>> 
>>> lew
>>> 
>>> On 12 Dec 2011, at 09:25, Cheree Heppe wrote:
>>> 
 Cheree heppe here:
 So far, I use IOS devices and not even a MacVook Air.  My Windows screen 
 reader, Window-Eyes does everything I require of it without any use of a 
 numpad.
 Does a Mac-driven laptop with VoiceOver require use of a numpad to 
 operate?I was planning on trying for a MacBook Air soon.
 
 Regards,
 Cheree Heppe
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 12/12/2011, at 12:49 AM, David Griffith  wrote:
 
> I have finally found a UK supplier who will provide a high quality
> ergonomic keyboard for the Mac.
> 
> It is very expensive compared to Windows versions but I would buy it like 
> a
> shot because I am fairly desperate to have comfortable typing again. 
> However
> there is one problem. The keyboard does not have a numeric keypad and I 
> am a
> fan of num pad commander.
> The suggestion that they have made to me is that I purchase a separate
> numpad keyboard from them to go with the ergonomic keyboard .
> The numpad keyboards they sell are standard PC USB devices but they 
> believe
> that they will work on a Mac. Having found it impossible to connect a
> windows ergonomic keyboard which is compatible with the Mac I am 
> suspicious
> of claims that things should be compatible.
> Does anybody have successful experience of using a separate numpad 
> keyboard
> with the Mac?
> 
> Regards
> 
> David Griffith
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>>> 
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>>> copy of outspoken 9.2 you would be willing to donate? please get in touch.
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Re: Funny iPhone story

[Keith Watson]

Hi,

A better answer would have been that Bill Gates stole the idea for Winblows 
from Apple.

Just sayin'

Keith

On Dec 13, 2011, at 9:15 PM, Gigi wrote:

> Ok guys. 
> Here is a funny iPhone story that happened to me today. 
> 
> I was on the bus using Sendero to make sure I didn't lose track of my bus 
> stop. I kept asking it for the cross street, and the person across the isle 
> told me what the iPhone had just said. I said: "I know. My iPhone just told 
> me." I like to do that as education method. 
> 
> However, this time I got into more of an education process than I bargained 
> for. The driver said with disbelief: "Your iPhone told you!" The gentleman 
> assured her that yes indeed, I had been using my phone all along for this. Of 
> course, I piped up and said: "Did you know your iPhone can talk?"
> 
> Then the gentleman said, with all the confidence of one who knows things: 
> "Yeah, that's cool.. Bill Gates made it along with with the iMac." 
> 
> With all due apology to the iMac and iPhone development teams, I figured it 
> was time to simplify this discussion. I said: "Oh, no. Steve Jobs made the 
> iPhone and the Mac." Well, he just couldn't let it rest. He said: "Well, what 
> did Bill Gates do?" After I just said, simply, "He made Windows." It's funny 
> the education process we blind folks get into when we start using our 
> technology very obviously in public. 
> 
> With amusement:
> Gigi
> With all due apology 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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Re: money talks or i bank?

[Becky Knaub]

Hi All,
I am curious. What does this program do, I never heard of it.

Thanks.

Becky and C
On Dec 15, 2011, at 3:13 PM, Paul Henrichsen wrote:

> Thanks, Larry. That would be so great; especially if there could be an iPhone 
> app to sync with it. 
> I'd definitely pay good money for it.
> 
> On Dec 13, 2011, at 3:40 AM, Larry Skutchan wrote:
> 
>> Sorry Paul, I must have missed that message.
>> APH is actually interested in doing a Mac version, but that's about all I 
>> can say about it for the moment.
>> 
>> On Dec 11, 2011, at 8:34 PM, Paul Henrichsen wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't believe there is a money talks for the mac; just one for windows.
>>> If there is indeed one for the mac, I would certainly like to know about it.
>>> I wrote to Larry Skutcon asking him if there would or could ever be a mac 
>>> version, but never got a reply. What would really be neat is if there were 
>>> one for the iPhone which could sync with a mac version.
>>> But, at this point, I'd settle for a mac version.
>>> Right now, I use VM-Ware fusion to run a virtual windows seven machine so I 
>>> can use money talks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2011, at 10:27 PM, Nancy Stevens wrote:
>>> 
 Hello All,
 I'm trying to decide whether to purchase the money talks program for Mac 
 from American printing house or to learn the i bank program.
 
 Any recommendations.
 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: Establishing a connection between BrailleNote Apex and iPhone?

[Alex Hall]

The Focus likely had a braille keyboard. The device in question in
this thread is an apex qt, meaning it has a standard computer
keyboard, not a braille one.

On 12/15/11, Dan Roy  wrote:
> That's quite weird, the other day, someone from FS was at our work, and, he
> demonstrated entering text with the Focus.  I wonder why the heck it isn't
> supported with the BN?  Since they're both bluetooth devices, what the heck
> is the difference?  I know, I am showing my ignorance, so, enlighten me
> please?
>
>
> On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>
>> If you have Keysoft 9.2, there is a command to switch to braille
>> input, where your home row keys will act as braille keys. The command
>> escapes me, but the manual should have it. Read-z? Something odd like
>> that. Unfortunately, there is currently no way to enter data using the
>> full qwerty keyboard, but I would email both supp...@humanware.com and
>> accessibil...@apple.com to request such functionality, so they know
>> there is an interest.
>>
>> On 12/15/11, Michael Busboom  wrote:
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> I have an iPhone 4 and a BraileNote Apex (querty keyboard).  Although I
>>> can
>>> read VoiceOver output on the Apex's Braille display, I am unable to input
>>> data from the Apex to the iPhone.  Does anyone have any suggestions,
>>> please?
>>> I find data entry on the iPhone difficult, hence the Apex/iPhone combo.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Mike
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Re: Establishing a connection between BrailleNote Apex and iPhone?

[Dan Roy]

That's quite weird, the other day, someone from FS was at our work, and, he 
demonstrated entering text with the Focus.  I wonder why the heck it isn't 
supported with the BN?  Since they're both bluetooth devices, what the heck is 
the difference?  I know, I am showing my ignorance, so, enlighten me please?


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> If you have Keysoft 9.2, there is a command to switch to braille
> input, where your home row keys will act as braille keys. The command
> escapes me, but the manual should have it. Read-z? Something odd like
> that. Unfortunately, there is currently no way to enter data using the
> full qwerty keyboard, but I would email both supp...@humanware.com and
> accessibil...@apple.com to request such functionality, so they know
> there is an interest.
> 
> On 12/15/11, Michael Busboom  wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I have an iPhone 4 and a BraileNote Apex (querty keyboard).  Although I can
>> read VoiceOver output on the Apex's Braille display, I am unable to input
>> data from the Apex to the iPhone.  Does anyone have any suggestions, please?
>> I find data entry on the iPhone difficult, hence the Apex/iPhone combo.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Mike
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Re: Skype Accessibility

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

Why do you think its a case of stepping on toes?  I think its more a case of 
why bother if others are bothering for us?  But on another note, narrator on 
windows 8 sounds like its gotten a shot in the arm.  lol.  For whatever that's 
worth.  But I fear this is straying way off topic. :)

Ricardo Walker
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www.mobileaccess.org

On Dec 15, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Chris Snyder wrote:

> Daniel,
> It's because they don't want to step on the toes of Freedom Scientific, GW 
> Micro, Serotek or any of the other third party software developers who make 
> screen readers. That's why narrator is so bad. Microsoft has no interest in 
> making Windows accessible themselves. That's one of the main reasons I became 
> a Mac and IOS user. I will never again willingly pay the blind tax.
> Friendly,
> Chris
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 15, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>  
>> I wasn’t talking about specific games, I was talking about the console 
>> itself. Since it’s running off of a windows-based kernel, I see no reason 
>> why they couldn’t just make the underlying UI accessible with speech for 
>> navigation around the consoles menus.
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:05 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility
>>  
>> exactly.
>>  
>> trying to make an extremely GUI complex game accessible is too risky. OK add 
>> a screen reader protocol, then the millions of lines of code created to 
>> support it, then create a server for the screen reader to support itself and 
>> the game in question. then of course there's the detail of speech required. 
>> descriptions, actions, directions, etc. that in tandem with streaming data 
>> for both processes and graphical interfacing would require a higher 
>> processor, larger memory and in turn, higher spec components.
>>  
>> Yes, I've always wanted to play the same games as others, but to be honest, 
>> I've not missed out.
>>  
>> there's better things to do in life isn't there?
>>  
>> living, falling in love, working, eating and everything else we are granted?
>>  
>> lew
>>  
>> On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:59, Missy Hoppe wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Agreed. While there are 1 or 2 modern video games I'd love to play: The 
>> Price is Right for example, I long ago accepted the
>> fact that today's video games are simply too visual. It doesn't matter how 
>> accessible the console is if playing the game is
>> all but impossible without vision.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:55 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think this is a bad example.  I don't imagine the demand for accessibility 
>> by the blind is very high in regards to gaming
>> consoles.  I guess they could make the menus accessible for netflix and 
>> stuff like that though.  But then you would have to
>> throw in all television makers for discrimination as well.  Its just 
>> ignorants.  Discrimination in my opinion rings of
>> something deliberate.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
>> www.mobileaccess.org
>> 
>> On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off 
>> topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That's
>> not accessible to all users, only those with vision. By that I mean the 
>> dashboard (which is where you make any system
>> settings changes, etc) isn't accessible.
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility
>>  
>> if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and 
>> discrimination to users relying on the mac.
>>  
>> lew
>>  
>>  
>> On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have 
>> for accessibility in communications apps. Will
>> any email or chat app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one 
>> platform? So if they make Skype work with Jaws on
>> Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on OSX?
>> 
>>  
>> CB
>>  
>> On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
>>  
>> Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we 
>> still have rights of equality and access. it's just
>> a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means 
>> becoming beta testers officially and having direct
>> i

Re: Skype Accessibility

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Actually, going back to not seeing contacts when Skype starts, my focus always 
goes to the contact list. Maybe it's because I'm using Skype 5.3 or because 
when I turn off my computer, I never sign out or quit Skype. Also, I have it 
startup when I turn on the Mac.

Shawn

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Re: Wireless keyboard

[Eugenia Firth]

Actually, I have found that with Safari on the iPhone that I have used a 
combination of the keyboard and the screen. For instance, VO command h goes to 
headings. I think VO command l goes to links. You're just running VoiceOver 
like on the Mac, so I have just tried out keys that work on the Mac. A lot of 
times they do, except that interacting doesn't seem to be an issue on the 
iPhone and I guess on the iPad, although I don't have one of those yet. 

Regards,
Gigi

On Dec 15, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> basic navigation is exactly the same as on the Mac.  You can also use quick 
> nav (just like on the Mac) by pressing the left and right arrow keys to 
> toggle this mode on/off.  For Safari, I guess using the rotor is the best way 
> to go.  In my opinion, if your a Mac user, there really isn't much one needs 
> to know.
> 
> hth
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
> www.mobileaccess.org
> 
> On Dec 15, 2011, at 7:43 AM, Rahul Bajaj wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I've recently purchased an Apple wireless keyboard for my iPod Touch.
>> So, I would be extremely grateful if any of you would be able to share a few 
>> tips that would help me in using the keyboard.
>> Which key combinations do you find most useful?
>> How can I use Safari with the help of my keyboard?
>> 
>> Your help would be really appreciated.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Rahul 
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Re: e-bay audio verification won't play

[Ray Foret Jr]

Not sure.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

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On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> Is there a way to try this without having to create an account? In other 
> words is that the only place the captcha shows up?
> 
> CB
> 
> On 12/14/11 8:13 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> 
>> Ah, good to know.  Best to contact Ebay then?
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> Facebook:
>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 14, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> This won't really solve your problem, but I thought I'd let you know
>>> that as of a couple of days ago, this stopped working on pc's as well,
>>> so its not a Safari / osx thing.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ben.
>>> 
>>> On 14/12/2011, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
 Anybody ever try to use the audio verification on E-bay where you have to
 enter a verification captcha?  Well, there is an audio verification method;
 but, when you click on the "play audio" link, the window opens but nothing
 happens.  any ideas?
 
 
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Re: Skype Accessibility

[Mr. L. Alexander]

lol

fell off chair howling  like crazy.

sounds like someone I know only too well.

lew

On 15 Dec 2011, at 21:24, Eugenia Firth wrote:

> Hi guys.
> I was trying to decide if I wanted to weigh in on this. I wish to say that 
> they have a lot of company when it comes to accessibility. Cy own 
> sister-in-law, who does software development for her company, said to me, of 
> all people, "We just can't do it. There's just too many needs out there." My 
> own brother, who is married to this gal, made all kinds of excuses once when 
> we were discussing why the hotel people couldn't make some of their 
> appliances like tv's accessible. I almost said to my sister-in-law, "Apple 
> did it, so what's wrong with the rest of you guys. Are they smarter than you 
> or what?" I decided that to keep peace in the family, especially since I was 
> never going to change this stubborn gal's mind about this, that I would keep 
> my big mouth shut. I'm afraid for people like this the law would have to be 
> changed. In the meantime, let's hope my sister-in-law doesn't go to work for 
> Apple.
> 
> Regards, 
> Gigi 
>  
> On Dec 15, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Chris Snyder wrote:
> 
>> Daniel,
>> It's because they don't want to step on the toes of Freedom Scientific, GW 
>> Micro, Serotek or any of the other third party software developers who make 
>> screen readers. That's why narrator is so bad. Microsoft has no interest in 
>> making Windows accessible themselves. That's one of the main reasons I 
>> became a Mac and IOS user. I will never again willingly pay the blind tax.
>> Friendly,
>> Chris
>> 
>> --
>> I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 15, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>> I wasn’t talking about specific games, I was talking about the console 
>>> itself. Since it’s running off of a windows-based kernel, I see no reason 
>>> why they couldn’t just make the underlying UI accessible with speech for 
>>> navigation around the consoles menus.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:05 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility
>>>  
>>> exactly.
>>>  
>>> trying to make an extremely GUI complex game accessible is too risky. OK 
>>> add a screen reader protocol, then the millions of lines of code created to 
>>> support it, then create a server for the screen reader to support itself 
>>> and the game in question. then of course there's the detail of speech 
>>> required. descriptions, actions, directions, etc. that in tandem with 
>>> streaming data for both processes and graphical interfacing would require a 
>>> higher processor, larger memory and in turn, higher spec components.
>>>  
>>> Yes, I've always wanted to play the same games as others, but to be honest, 
>>> I've not missed out.
>>>  
>>> there's better things to do in life isn't there?
>>>  
>>> living, falling in love, working, eating and everything else we are granted?
>>>  
>>> lew
>>>  
>>> On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:59, Missy Hoppe wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Agreed. While there are 1 or 2 modern video games I'd love to play: The 
>>> Price is Right for example, I long ago accepted the
>>> fact that today's video games are simply too visual. It doesn't matter how 
>>> accessible the console is if playing the game is
>>> all but impossible without vision.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:55 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I think this is a bad example.  I don't imagine the demand for 
>>> accessibility by the blind is very high in regards to gaming
>>> consoles.  I guess they could make the menus accessible for netflix and 
>>> stuff like that though.  But then you would have to
>>> throw in all television makers for discrimination as well.  Its just 
>>> ignorants.  Discrimination in my opinion rings of
>>> something deliberate.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
>>> www.mobileaccess.org
>>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off 
>>> topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That's
>>> not accessible to all users, only those with vision. By that I mean the 
>>> dashboard (which is where you make any system
>>> settings changes, etc) isn't accessible.
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility
>>>  
>>> if that were to be th

Re: Skype Accessibility

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi guys.
I was trying to decide if I wanted to weigh in on this. I wish to say that they 
have a lot of company when it comes to accessibility. Cy own sister-in-law, who 
does software development for her company, said to me, of all people, "We just 
can't do it. There's just too many needs out there." My own brother, who is 
married to this gal, made all kinds of excuses once when we were discussing why 
the hotel people couldn't make some of their appliances like tv's accessible. I 
almost said to my sister-in-law, "Apple did it, so what's wrong with the rest 
of you guys. Are they smarter than you or what?" I decided that to keep peace 
in the family, especially since I was never going to change this stubborn gal's 
mind about this, that I would keep my big mouth shut. I'm afraid for people 
like this the law would have to be changed. In the meantime, let's hope my 
sister-in-law doesn't go to work for Apple.

Regards, 
Gigi 
 
On Dec 15, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Chris Snyder wrote:

> Daniel,
> It's because they don't want to step on the toes of Freedom Scientific, GW 
> Micro, Serotek or any of the other third party software developers who make 
> screen readers. That's why narrator is so bad. Microsoft has no interest in 
> making Windows accessible themselves. That's one of the main reasons I became 
> a Mac and IOS user. I will never again willingly pay the blind tax.
> Friendly,
> Chris
> 
> --
> I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 15, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>  
>> I wasn’t talking about specific games, I was talking about the console 
>> itself. Since it’s running off of a windows-based kernel, I see no reason 
>> why they couldn’t just make the underlying UI accessible with speech for 
>> navigation around the consoles menus.
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:05 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility
>>  
>> exactly.
>>  
>> trying to make an extremely GUI complex game accessible is too risky. OK add 
>> a screen reader protocol, then the millions of lines of code created to 
>> support it, then create a server for the screen reader to support itself and 
>> the game in question. then of course there's the detail of speech required. 
>> descriptions, actions, directions, etc. that in tandem with streaming data 
>> for both processes and graphical interfacing would require a higher 
>> processor, larger memory and in turn, higher spec components.
>>  
>> Yes, I've always wanted to play the same games as others, but to be honest, 
>> I've not missed out.
>>  
>> there's better things to do in life isn't there?
>>  
>> living, falling in love, working, eating and everything else we are granted?
>>  
>> lew
>>  
>> On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:59, Missy Hoppe wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Agreed. While there are 1 or 2 modern video games I'd love to play: The 
>> Price is Right for example, I long ago accepted the
>> fact that today's video games are simply too visual. It doesn't matter how 
>> accessible the console is if playing the game is
>> all but impossible without vision.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:55 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think this is a bad example.  I don't imagine the demand for accessibility 
>> by the blind is very high in regards to gaming
>> consoles.  I guess they could make the menus accessible for netflix and 
>> stuff like that though.  But then you would have to
>> throw in all television makers for discrimination as well.  Its just 
>> ignorants.  Discrimination in my opinion rings of
>> something deliberate.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
>> www.mobileaccess.org
>> 
>> On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off 
>> topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That's
>> not accessible to all users, only those with vision. By that I mean the 
>> dashboard (which is where you make any system
>> settings changes, etc) isn't accessible.
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility
>>  
>> if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and 
>> discrimination to users relying on the mac.
>>  
>> lew
>>  
>>  
>> On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have 
>> for accessibility in c

Re: Skype Accessibility

[Doug Lee]

This issue is not so simple that one can just say MS has no interest
in making Windows natively accessible. The issue has also been hashed
out numerous times by now, and over many years. A lot of blind people
would, and actually did, fight MS on this, asking them *not* to make a
built-in screen reader on sufficient par with JAWS. The basic reason
is that they would then naturally knock all the other solutions off
the market before we, the blind users, had a chance to verify that MS
would keep focus on accessibility, rather than dropping that focus and
leaving us with absolutely nothing. Apple, with VoiceOver, had the
distinct advantage of zero competition; so anything they did was
better than the status quo. MS did not by any means have that luxury,
and they still don't. What MS does have now is increased support for
internal efforts toward a screen reader, caused I'm sure by
VoiceOver's arrival for Apple. Time will tell where this takes us.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 01:12:54PM -0700, Chris Snyder wrote:
   Daniel,

   It's because they don't want to step on the toes of Freedom Scientific,
   GW Micro, Serotek or any of the other third party software developers
   who make screen readers. That's why narrator is so bad. Microsoft has
   no interest in making Windows accessible themselves. That's one of the
   main reasons I became a Mac and IOS user. I will never again willingly
   pay the blind tax.

   Friendly,

   Chris

   --
   I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.
   On Dec 15, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:

   Hi,

   I wasnt talking about specific games, I was talking about the console
   itself. Since its running off of a windows-based kernel, I see no
   reason why they couldnt just make the underlying UI accessible with
   speech for navigation around the consoles menus.


   From: [1]macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googleg
   roups.com]On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander
   Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:05 PM
   To: [2]macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility

   exactly.

   trying to make an extremely GUI complex game accessible is too risky.
   OK add a screen reader protocol, then the millions of lines of code
   created to support it, then create a server for the screen reader to
   support itself and the game in question. then of course there's the
   detail of speech required. descriptions, actions, directions, etc. that
   in tandem with streaming data for both processes and graphical
   interfacing would require a higher processor, larger memory and in
   turn, higher spec components.

   Yes, I've always wanted to play the same games as others, but to be
   honest, I've not missed out.

   there's better things to do in life isn't there?

   living, falling in love, working, eating and everything else we are
   granted?

   lew

   On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:59, Missy Hoppe wrote:
   Agreed. While there are 1 or 2 modern video games I'd love to play: The
   Price is Right for example, I long ago accepted the
   fact that today's video games are simply too visual. It doesn't matter
   how accessible the console is if playing the game is
   all but impossible without vision.
   -Original Message-
   From: [3]macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[4][mailto:macvisionaries@googl
   egroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
   Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:55 PM
   To: [5]macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility
   Hi,
   I think this is a bad example.  I don't imagine the demand for
   accessibility by the blind is very high in regards to gaming
   consoles.  I guess they could make the menus accessible for netflix and
   stuff like that though.  But then you would have to
   throw in all television makers for discrimination as well.  Its just
   ignorants.  Discrimination in my opinion rings of
   something deliberate.
   Ricardo Walker
   [6]rwalker...@gmail.com
   Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
   [7]www.mobileaccess.org
   On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
   Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is
   off topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That's
   not accessible to all users, only those with vision. By that I mean the
   dashboard (which is where you make any system
   settings changes, etc) isn't accessible.



   From: [8]macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

   [9][mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L.
   Alexander

   Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM

   To: [10]macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

   Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility



   if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and
   discrimination to users relying on the mac.



   lew





   On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote:





   I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will
   have for accessibility in communications apps. Will

   any email or chat app have to be acc

RE: Skype Accessibility

[Daniel Miller]

Chris,

 

I suppose you're right, but at least for something like navigation around a
video game consoles menu system, Narrator could be perfect.

But alas, Microsoft doesn't care about all its customers, and never will for
as long as we live, so thank god I'm a mac user.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Snyder
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility

 

Daniel,

It's because they don't want to step on the toes of Freedom Scientific, GW
Micro, Serotek or any of the other third party software developers who make
screen readers. That's why narrator is so bad. Microsoft has no interest in
making Windows accessible themselves. That's one of the main reasons I
became a Mac and IOS user. I will never again willingly pay the blind tax.

Friendly,

Chris

 

--

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On Dec 15, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:





Hi,

 

I wasn't talking about specific games, I was talking about the console
itself. Since it's running off of a windows-based kernel, I see no reason
why they couldn't just make the underlying UI accessible with speech for
navigation around the consoles menus.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:05 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility

 

exactly.

 

trying to make an extremely GUI complex game accessible is too risky. OK add
a screen reader protocol, then the millions of lines of code created to
support it, then create a server for the screen reader to support itself and
the game in question. then of course there's the detail of speech required.
descriptions, actions, directions, etc. that in tandem with streaming data
for both processes and graphical interfacing would require a higher
processor, larger memory and in turn, higher spec components.

 

Yes, I've always wanted to play the same games as others, but to be honest,
I've not missed out.

 

there's better things to do in life isn't there?

 

living, falling in love, working, eating and everything else we are granted?

 

lew

 

On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:59, Missy Hoppe wrote:






Agreed. While there are 1 or 2 modern video games I'd love to play: The
Price is Right for example, I long ago accepted the
fact that today's video games are simply too visual. It doesn't matter how
accessible the console is if playing the game is
all but impossible without vision.

-Original Message-
From:
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:55 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility

Hi,

I think this is a bad example.  I don't imagine the demand for accessibility
by the blind is very high in regards to gaming
consoles.  I guess they could make the menus accessible for netflix and
stuff like that though.  But then you would have to
throw in all television makers for discrimination as well.  Its just
ignorants.  Discrimination in my opinion rings of
something deliberate.

Ricardo Walker
rwalker...@gmail.com
Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
www.mobileaccess.org

On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:





Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off
topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That's

not accessible to all users, only those with vision. By that I mean the
dashboard (which is where you make any system
settings changes, etc) isn't accessible.




 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander

Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility

 

if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and
discrimination to users relying on the mac.

 

lew

 

 

On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote:

 

 

I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have
for accessibility in communications apps. Will

any email or chat app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one
platform? So if they make Skype work with Jaws on
Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on OSX?




 

CB

 

On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:

 

Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we
still have rights of equality and access. it's just

a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means
becoming beta testers officially and having direct
input.




 

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Re: money talks or i bank?

[Paul Henrichsen]

Thanks, Larry. That would be so great; especially if there could be an iPhone 
app to sync with it. 
I'd definitely pay good money for it.

On Dec 13, 2011, at 3:40 AM, Larry Skutchan wrote:

> Sorry Paul, I must have missed that message.
> APH is actually interested in doing a Mac version, but that's about all I can 
> say about it for the moment.
> 
> On Dec 11, 2011, at 8:34 PM, Paul Henrichsen wrote:
> 
>> I don't believe there is a money talks for the mac; just one for windows.
>> If there is indeed one for the mac, I would certainly like to know about it.
>> I wrote to Larry Skutcon asking him if there would or could ever be a mac 
>> version, but never got a reply. What would really be neat is if there were 
>> one for the iPhone which could sync with a mac version.
>> But, at this point, I'd settle for a mac version.
>> Right now, I use VM-Ware fusion to run a virtual windows seven machine so I 
>> can use money talks.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 9, 2011, at 10:27 PM, Nancy Stevens wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> I'm trying to decide whether to purchase the money talks program for Mac 
>>> from American printing house or to learn the i bank program.
>>> 
>>> Any recommendations.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Nancy
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Re: Skype Accessibility

[Chris Snyder]

Daniel,
It's because they don't want to step on the toes of Freedom Scientific, GW 
Micro, Serotek or any of the other third party software developers who make 
screen readers. That's why narrator is so bad. Microsoft has no interest in 
making Windows accessible themselves. That's one of the main reasons I became a 
Mac and IOS user. I will never again willingly pay the blind tax.
Friendly,
Chris

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On Dec 15, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:

> Hi,
>  
> I wasn’t talking about specific games, I was talking about the console 
> itself. Since it’s running off of a windows-based kernel, I see no reason why 
> they couldn’t just make the underlying UI accessible with speech for 
> navigation around the consoles menus.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:05 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility
>  
> exactly.
>  
> trying to make an extremely GUI complex game accessible is too risky. OK add 
> a screen reader protocol, then the millions of lines of code created to 
> support it, then create a server for the screen reader to support itself and 
> the game in question. then of course there's the detail of speech required. 
> descriptions, actions, directions, etc. that in tandem with streaming data 
> for both processes and graphical interfacing would require a higher 
> processor, larger memory and in turn, higher spec components.
>  
> Yes, I've always wanted to play the same games as others, but to be honest, 
> I've not missed out.
>  
> there's better things to do in life isn't there?
>  
> living, falling in love, working, eating and everything else we are granted?
>  
> lew
>  
> On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:59, Missy Hoppe wrote:
> 
> 
> Agreed. While there are 1 or 2 modern video games I'd love to play: The Price 
> is Right for example, I long ago accepted the
> fact that today's video games are simply too visual. It doesn't matter how 
> accessible the console is if playing the game is
> all but impossible without vision.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:55 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think this is a bad example.  I don't imagine the demand for accessibility 
> by the blind is very high in regards to gaming
> consoles.  I guess they could make the menus accessible for netflix and stuff 
> like that though.  But then you would have to
> throw in all television makers for discrimination as well.  Its just 
> ignorants.  Discrimination in my opinion rings of
> something deliberate.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
> www.mobileaccess.org
> 
> On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
> 
> 
> Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off 
> topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That's
> not accessible to all users, only those with vision. By that I mean the 
> dashboard (which is where you make any system
> settings changes, etc) isn't accessible.
> 
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility
>  
> if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and 
> discrimination to users relying on the mac.
>  
> lew
>  
>  
> On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote:
>  
>  
> I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have for 
> accessibility in communications apps. Will
> any email or chat app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one 
> platform? So if they make Skype work with Jaws on
> Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on OSX?
> 
>  
> CB
>  
> On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
>  
> Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still 
> have rights of equality and access. it's just
> a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means 
> becoming beta testers officially and having direct
> input.
> 
>  
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Re: Skype Accessibility

[Mr. L. Alexander]

As I said earlier. not familiar with the product.

Pushes empty cardboard box around room whilst humming the theme from Monty 
Python's flying circus)

lew

On 15 Dec 2011, at 20:05, Daniel Miller wrote:

> Hi,
>  
> I wasn’t talking about specific games, I was talking about the console 
> itself. Since it’s running off of a windows-based kernel, I see no reason why 
> they couldn’t just make the underlying UI accessible with speech for 
> navigation around the consoles menus.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:05 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility
>  
> exactly.
>  
> trying to make an extremely GUI complex game accessible is too risky. OK add 
> a screen reader protocol, then the millions of lines of code created to 
> support it, then create a server for the screen reader to support itself and 
> the game in question. then of course there's the detail of speech required. 
> descriptions, actions, directions, etc. that in tandem with streaming data 
> for both processes and graphical interfacing would require a higher 
> processor, larger memory and in turn, higher spec components.
>  
> Yes, I've always wanted to play the same games as others, but to be honest, 
> I've not missed out.
>  
> there's better things to do in life isn't there?
>  
> living, falling in love, working, eating and everything else we are granted?
>  
> lew
>  
> On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:59, Missy Hoppe wrote:
> 
> 
> Agreed. While there are 1 or 2 modern video games I'd love to play: The Price 
> is Right for example, I long ago accepted the
> fact that today's video games are simply too visual. It doesn't matter how 
> accessible the console is if playing the game is
> all but impossible without vision.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:55 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think this is a bad example.  I don't imagine the demand for accessibility 
> by the blind is very high in regards to gaming
> consoles.  I guess they could make the menus accessible for netflix and stuff 
> like that though.  But then you would have to
> throw in all television makers for discrimination as well.  Its just 
> ignorants.  Discrimination in my opinion rings of
> something deliberate.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
> www.mobileaccess.org
> 
> On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
> 
> 
> Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off 
> topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That's
> not accessible to all users, only those with vision. By that I mean the 
> dashboard (which is where you make any system
> settings changes, etc) isn't accessible.
> 
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility
>  
> if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and 
> discrimination to users relying on the mac.
>  
> lew
>  
>  
> On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote:
>  
>  
> I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have for 
> accessibility in communications apps. Will
> any email or chat app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one 
> platform? So if they make Skype work with Jaws on
> Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on OSX?
> 
>  
> CB
>  
> On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
>  
> Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still 
> have rights of equality and access. it's just
> a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means 
> becoming beta testers officially and having direct
> input.
> 
>  
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Re: Skype Accessibility

[Chris Snyder]

Hi Kevin,
I just wanted to note, and I'm quite sure you already know, that the chat tab 
is completely broken in Skype for IOS. All it does is read the dates of the 
chats. I'm going to try to downgrade from the latest update.

Friendly,
Chris

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On Dec 15, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:

> FYI: Skype does have blind VoiceOver beta testers, I was  officially
> added as one of them a few days ago, I am plugged into system, betas,
> etc.
> 
> No, I cannot and will not comment on future betas, things that may be
> fixed, broken, etc. However, please post any/all issues you've
> experienced, would like to see fixed, or think would be great to have
> within this specific thread, and I will do what I can to ensure that
> the product managers, engineers, etc. nkow about them.
> 
> Kevin
> 
> On 12/15/11, Mr. L. Alexander  wrote:
>> not to my knowledge.
>> 
>> to be completely honest, my view on this is for a developer to design the
>> program elements in such a way they can be shifted to both mac and windows
>> but using each OS independent programming languages and their own compilers.
>> thus allowing each OS to create accessibility adaptations which don't
>> interupt or conflict.
>> 
>> anyway this is now becoming a programming ethos and not skype accessibility
>> issue. so at this point.. I'm out! lol hehehehe
>> 
>> lew
>> 
>> On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:16, Chris Blouch wrote:
>> 
>>> Is there such a cross-platform compiler system that supports
>>> accessibility? Most Mac developers I know of use XCode and so I'm not sure
>>> how this could be used with a common codebase. I know one developer who
>>> was using MonoTouch to make iOS and android apps and the iOS versions were
>>> pretty much totally inaccessible.
>>> 
>>> I also disagree with Adobe's approach, but as for covering themselves for
>>> FCC compliance they might have a reasonable case to make.
>>> 
>>> Do you know of a good cross-platform (Mac/Windows or iOS/Android) IDE that
>>> works with accessibility APIs?
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 12/15/11 1:02 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
 
 A simple solution is this and it's something easy to manage.
 
 Where an application developer creates an application from scratch as an
 example and intends to write for multiple OS architectures, Windows, Mac,
 Linux, etc,
 
 The developer in most cases has 2 options. Either a universal custom
 manguage allowing just one app to be created, then to be compiled to  sub
 platforms ( OS X, windows, linux, etc) or and this would be a much better
 option.
 
 the developer of an app have a dedicated windows system and dedicated mac
 system to use suitable programming languages which then give user
 accessibility options based on the true OS on each host. thereby giving a
 much cleaner approach to creating a market app.
 
 I completely disagree with adobe in their support infrastructure to
 access technology. They're a company primarily based in design and
 production tools and of course as part of their infrastructure use
 plugins which the consumer uses such as adobe flash, shockwave, etc in
 any website environment. not allowing us to gain access to the products
 in question is their own problem but they will bring it upon themselves.
 
 Getting back to the developer side of things.
 
 I've been involved with a couple of companies over some time where
 certain tools I use have  been adapted to my needs. it's taken time but
 luckily, the team I work with know where I'm coming from and what I need,
 so implementation doesn't take long. it's emailed over to me or accessed
 over server to check and then taken on as my tools of the trade.
 
 Where we stand to be honest is very carefully. the problem we have is
 that our voices aren't heard nor understood. you get those in the IT
 world who just don't grasp the situation, then there's the types who roll
 out any old junk just to rake in the money.
 
 I hope and pray that one day, developers see us as real people with real
 needs and not a burden on resources... no... not... "That's a lovely
 burden you've got there" kind of thing.
 
 lol
 
 lew
 
 
 On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:49, Chris Blouch wrote:
 
> But what is the other extreme? Does a vendor need to support any
> platform they have an app for? What if they take the Adobe approach and
> support the IAccessible2 API which doesn't exit on Mac? Adobe could
> claim safe harbor because they did implement accessibility and it's
> Apple's lack of support of an open standard that makes it fail. Or
> should they be required to support a specific AT on each platform? That
> would work well for the Mac where VO is pretty much it, but on Windows
> or BlackBerry where AT is bolted on from a me

RE: Skype Accessibility

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

 

I wasn't talking about specific games, I was talking about the console
itself. Since it's running off of a windows-based kernel, I see no reason
why they couldn't just make the underlying UI accessible with speech for
navigation around the consoles menus.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:05 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility

 

exactly.

 

trying to make an extremely GUI complex game accessible is too risky. OK add
a screen reader protocol, then the millions of lines of code created to
support it, then create a server for the screen reader to support itself and
the game in question. then of course there's the detail of speech required.
descriptions, actions, directions, etc. that in tandem with streaming data
for both processes and graphical interfacing would require a higher
processor, larger memory and in turn, higher spec components.

 

Yes, I've always wanted to play the same games as others, but to be honest,
I've not missed out.

 

there's better things to do in life isn't there?

 

living, falling in love, working, eating and everything else we are granted?

 

lew

 

On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:59, Missy Hoppe wrote:





Agreed. While there are 1 or 2 modern video games I'd love to play: The
Price is Right for example, I long ago accepted the
fact that today's video games are simply too visual. It doesn't matter how
accessible the console is if playing the game is
all but impossible without vision.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:55 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility

Hi,

I think this is a bad example.  I don't imagine the demand for accessibility
by the blind is very high in regards to gaming
consoles.  I guess they could make the menus accessible for netflix and
stuff like that though.  But then you would have to
throw in all television makers for discrimination as well.  Its just
ignorants.  Discrimination in my opinion rings of
something deliberate.

Ricardo Walker
rwalker...@gmail.com
Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
www.mobileaccess.org

On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:




Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off
topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That's

not accessible to all users, only those with vision. By that I mean the
dashboard (which is where you make any system
settings changes, etc) isn't accessible.



 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander

Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility

 

if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and
discrimination to users relying on the mac.

 

lew

 

 

On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote:

 

 

I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have
for accessibility in communications apps. Will

any email or chat app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one
platform? So if they make Skype work with Jaws on
Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on OSX?



 

CB

 

On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:

 

Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we
still have rights of equality and access. it's just

a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means
becoming beta testers officially and having direct
input.



 

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Re: Skype Accessibility

[Mr. L. Alexander]

exactly.

trying to make an extremely GUI complex game accessible is too risky. OK add a 
screen reader protocol, then the millions of lines of code created to support 
it, then create a server for the screen reader to support itself and the game 
in question. then of course there's the detail of speech required. 
descriptions, actions, directions, etc. that in tandem with streaming data for 
both processes and graphical interfacing would require a higher processor, 
larger memory and in turn, higher spec components.

Yes, I've always wanted to play the same games as others, but to be honest, 
I've not missed out.

there's better things to do in life isn't there?

living, falling in love, working, eating and everything else we are granted?

lew

On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:59, Missy Hoppe wrote:

> Agreed. While there are 1 or 2 modern video games I'd love to play: The Price 
> is Right for example, I long ago accepted the
> fact that today's video games are simply too visual. It doesn't matter how 
> accessible the console is if playing the game is
> all but impossible without vision.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:55 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think this is a bad example.  I don't imagine the demand for accessibility 
> by the blind is very high in regards to gaming
> consoles.  I guess they could make the menus accessible for netflix and stuff 
> like that though.  But then you would have to
> throw in all television makers for discrimination as well.  Its just 
> ignorants.  Discrimination in my opinion rings of
> something deliberate.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
> www.mobileaccess.org
> 
> On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
> 
>> Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off 
>> topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That's
> not accessible to all users, only those with vision. By that I mean the 
> dashboard (which is where you make any system
> settings changes, etc) isn't accessible.
>> 
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility
>> 
>> if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and 
>> discrimination to users relying on the mac.
>> 
>> lew
>> 
>> 
>> On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have 
>> for accessibility in communications apps. Will
> any email or chat app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one 
> platform? So if they make Skype work with Jaws on
> Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on OSX?
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
>> 
>> Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we 
>> still have rights of equality and access. it's just
> a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means 
> becoming beta testers officially and having direct
> input.
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RE: Skype Accessibility

[Missy Hoppe]

Agreed. While there are 1 or 2 modern video games I'd love to play: The Price 
is Right for example, I long ago accepted the
fact that today's video games are simply too visual. It doesn't matter how 
accessible the console is if playing the game is
all but impossible without vision.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:55 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility

Hi,

I think this is a bad example.  I don't imagine the demand for accessibility by 
the blind is very high in regards to gaming
consoles.  I guess they could make the menus accessible for netflix and stuff 
like that though.  But then you would have to
throw in all television makers for discrimination as well.  Its just ignorants. 
 Discrimination in my opinion rings of
something deliberate.

Ricardo Walker
rwalker...@gmail.com
Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
www.mobileaccess.org

On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:

> Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off 
> topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That's
not accessible to all users, only those with vision. By that I mean the 
dashboard (which is where you make any system
settings changes, etc) isn't accessible.
>
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility
>
> if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and 
> discrimination to users relying on the mac.
>
> lew
>
>
> On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote:
>
>
> I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have for 
> accessibility in communications apps. Will
any email or chat app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one 
platform? So if they make Skype work with Jaws on
Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on OSX?
>
> CB
>
> On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
>
> Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still 
> have rights of equality and access. it's just
a question of working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming 
beta testers officially and having direct
input.
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Re: adding instruments in GarageBand

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

for all of that, why not just buy the jam packs?  Apple doesn't sell them 
anymore but, there out there if you look.

hth

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On Dec 15, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Chris Snyder wrote:

> Even if Logic is inaccessible, once it is installed with the various 
> instrument packs, well over 50GB with everything, those instruments will 
> become available in GarageBand. That really enhances what you can do with GB 
> in my view.
> 
> Friendly,
> Chris
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> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 15, 2011, at 6:11 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I didn't say I used it.  I just said you might want to look into it.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
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>> 
>> On Dec 15, 2011, at 2:49 AM, Kevin Gibbs wrote:
>> 
>>> Native Instruments are completely inaccessible.  What version of Logic
>>> Pro do you have.  Since it doesn't work with VO, how do you use it?
>>> 
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Re: Skype Accessibility

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

I think this is a bad example.  I don't imagine the demand for accessibility by 
the blind is very high in regards to gaming consoles.  I guess they could make 
the menus accessible for netflix and stuff like that though.  But then you 
would have to throw in all television makers for discrimination as well.  Its 
just ignorants.  Discrimination in my opinion rings of something deliberate. 

Ricardo Walker
rwalker...@gmail.com
Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
www.mobileaccess.org

On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:

> Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off 
> topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That’s not accessible to all 
> users, only those with vision. By that I mean the dashboard (which is where 
> you make any system settings changes, etc) isn’t accessible.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility
>  
> if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and 
> discrimination to users relying on the mac.
>  
> lew
>  
>  
> On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote:
> 
> 
> I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have for 
> accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have to be 
> accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if they make Skype work 
> with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on 
> OSX?
> 
> CB
> 
> On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
> 
> Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still 
> have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in 
> partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers 
> officially and having direct input.
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Re: Establishing a connection between BrailleNote Apex and iPhone?

[Alex Hall]

If you have Keysoft 9.2, there is a command to switch to braille
input, where your home row keys will act as braille keys. The command
escapes me, but the manual should have it. Read-z? Something odd like
that. Unfortunately, there is currently no way to enter data using the
full qwerty keyboard, but I would email both supp...@humanware.com and
accessibil...@apple.com to request such functionality, so they know
there is an interest.

On 12/15/11, Michael Busboom  wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I have an iPhone 4 and a BraileNote Apex (querty keyboard).  Although I can
> read VoiceOver output on the Apex's Braille display, I am unable to input
> data from the Apex to the iPhone.  Does anyone have any suggestions, please?
>  I find data entry on the iPhone difficult, hence the Apex/iPhone combo.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mike
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Establishing a connection between BrailleNote Apex and iPhone?

[Michael Busboom]

Hello everyone,

I have an iPhone 4 and a BraileNote Apex (querty keyboard).  Although I can 
read VoiceOver output on the Apex's Braille display, I am unable to input data 
from the Apex to the iPhone.  Does anyone have any suggestions, please?  I find 
data entry on the iPhone difficult, hence the Apex/iPhone combo.

Best regards,

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Re: Skype Accessibility

[Kevin Chao]

FYI: Skype does have blind VoiceOver beta testers, I was  officially
added as one of them a few days ago, I am plugged into system, betas,
etc.

No, I cannot and will not comment on future betas, things that may be
fixed, broken, etc. However, please post any/all issues you've
experienced, would like to see fixed, or think would be great to have
within this specific thread, and I will do what I can to ensure that
the product managers, engineers, etc. nkow about them.

Kevin

On 12/15/11, Mr. L. Alexander  wrote:
> not to my knowledge.
>
> to be completely honest, my view on this is for a developer to design the
> program elements in such a way they can be shifted to both mac and windows
> but using each OS independent programming languages and their own compilers.
> thus allowing each OS to create accessibility adaptations which don't
> interupt or conflict.
>
> anyway this is now becoming a programming ethos and not skype accessibility
> issue. so at this point.. I'm out! lol hehehehe
>
> lew
>
> On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:16, Chris Blouch wrote:
>
>> Is there such a cross-platform compiler system that supports
>> accessibility? Most Mac developers I know of use XCode and so I'm not sure
>> how this could be used with a common codebase. I know one developer who
>> was using MonoTouch to make iOS and android apps and the iOS versions were
>> pretty much totally inaccessible.
>>
>> I also disagree with Adobe's approach, but as for covering themselves for
>> FCC compliance they might have a reasonable case to make.
>>
>> Do you know of a good cross-platform (Mac/Windows or iOS/Android) IDE that
>> works with accessibility APIs?
>>
>> CB
>>
>> On 12/15/11 1:02 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
>>>
>>> A simple solution is this and it's something easy to manage.
>>>
>>> Where an application developer creates an application from scratch as an
>>> example and intends to write for multiple OS architectures, Windows, Mac,
>>> Linux, etc,
>>>
>>> The developer in most cases has 2 options. Either a universal custom
>>> manguage allowing just one app to be created, then to be compiled to  sub
>>> platforms ( OS X, windows, linux, etc) or and this would be a much better
>>> option.
>>>
>>> the developer of an app have a dedicated windows system and dedicated mac
>>> system to use suitable programming languages which then give user
>>> accessibility options based on the true OS on each host. thereby giving a
>>> much cleaner approach to creating a market app.
>>>
>>> I completely disagree with adobe in their support infrastructure to
>>> access technology. They're a company primarily based in design and
>>> production tools and of course as part of their infrastructure use
>>> plugins which the consumer uses such as adobe flash, shockwave, etc in
>>> any website environment. not allowing us to gain access to the products
>>> in question is their own problem but they will bring it upon themselves.
>>>
>>> Getting back to the developer side of things.
>>>
>>> I've been involved with a couple of companies over some time where
>>> certain tools I use have  been adapted to my needs. it's taken time but
>>> luckily, the team I work with know where I'm coming from and what I need,
>>> so implementation doesn't take long. it's emailed over to me or accessed
>>> over server to check and then taken on as my tools of the trade.
>>>
>>> Where we stand to be honest is very carefully. the problem we have is
>>> that our voices aren't heard nor understood. you get those in the IT
>>> world who just don't grasp the situation, then there's the types who roll
>>> out any old junk just to rake in the money.
>>>
>>> I hope and pray that one day, developers see us as real people with real
>>> needs and not a burden on resources... no... not... "That's a lovely
>>> burden you've got there" kind of thing.
>>>
>>> lol
>>>
>>> lew
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:49, Chris Blouch wrote:
>>>
 But what is the other extreme? Does a vendor need to support any
 platform they have an app for? What if they take the Adobe approach and
 support the IAccessible2 API which doesn't exit on Mac? Adobe could
 claim safe harbor because they did implement accessibility and it's
 Apple's lack of support of an open standard that makes it fail. Or
 should they be required to support a specific AT on each platform? That
 would work well for the Mac where VO is pretty much it, but on Windows
 or BlackBerry where AT is bolted on from a menu of different vendors,
 that could be untenable. Will be interesting to see how this plays out
 and if there are any unintended consequences.

 CB

 On 12/15/11 12:09 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
>
> if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and
> discrimination to users relying on the mac.
>
> lew
>
>
> On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote:
>
>> I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making wi

Re: Skype Accessibility

[Mr. L. Alexander]

not to my knowledge.

to be completely honest, my view on this is for a developer to design the 
program elements in such a way they can be shifted to both mac and windows but 
using each OS independent programming languages and their own compilers. thus 
allowing each OS to create accessibility adaptations which don't interupt or 
conflict.

anyway this is now becoming a programming ethos and not skype accessibility 
issue. so at this point.. I'm out! lol hehehehe

lew

On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:16, Chris Blouch wrote:

> Is there such a cross-platform compiler system that supports accessibility? 
> Most Mac developers I know of use XCode and so I'm not sure how this could be 
> used with a common codebase. I know one developer who was using MonoTouch to 
> make iOS and android apps and the iOS versions were pretty much totally 
> inaccessible.
> 
> I also disagree with Adobe's approach, but as for covering themselves for FCC 
> compliance they might have a reasonable case to make.
> 
> Do you know of a good cross-platform (Mac/Windows or iOS/Android) IDE that 
> works with accessibility APIs?
> 
> CB
> 
> On 12/15/11 1:02 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
>> 
>> A simple solution is this and it's something easy to manage.
>> 
>> Where an application developer creates an application from scratch as an 
>> example and intends to write for multiple OS architectures, Windows, Mac, 
>> Linux, etc,
>> 
>> The developer in most cases has 2 options. Either a universal custom 
>> manguage allowing just one app to be created, then to be compiled to  sub 
>> platforms ( OS X, windows, linux, etc) or and this would be a much better 
>> option.
>> 
>> the developer of an app have a dedicated windows system and dedicated mac 
>> system to use suitable programming languages which then give user 
>> accessibility options based on the true OS on each host. thereby giving a 
>> much cleaner approach to creating a market app.
>> 
>> I completely disagree with adobe in their support infrastructure to access 
>> technology. They're a company primarily based in design and production tools 
>> and of course as part of their infrastructure use plugins which the consumer 
>> uses such as adobe flash, shockwave, etc in any website environment. not 
>> allowing us to gain access to the products in question is their own problem 
>> but they will bring it upon themselves.
>> 
>> Getting back to the developer side of things.
>> 
>> I've been involved with a couple of companies over some time where certain 
>> tools I use have  been adapted to my needs. it's taken time but luckily, the 
>> team I work with know where I'm coming from and what I need, so 
>> implementation doesn't take long. it's emailed over to me or accessed over 
>> server to check and then taken on as my tools of the trade.
>> 
>> Where we stand to be honest is very carefully. the problem we have is that 
>> our voices aren't heard nor understood. you get those in the IT world who 
>> just don't grasp the situation, then there's the types who roll out any old 
>> junk just to rake in the money.
>> 
>> I hope and pray that one day, developers see us as real people with real 
>> needs and not a burden on resources... no... not... "That's a lovely burden 
>> you've got there" kind of thing.
>> 
>> lol
>> 
>> lew
>> 
>> 
>> On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:49, Chris Blouch wrote:
>> 
>>> But what is the other extreme? Does a vendor need to support any platform 
>>> they have an app for? What if they take the Adobe approach and support the 
>>> IAccessible2 API which doesn't exit on Mac? Adobe could claim safe harbor 
>>> because they did implement accessibility and it's Apple's lack of support 
>>> of an open standard that makes it fail. Or should they be required to 
>>> support a specific AT on each platform? That would work well for the Mac 
>>> where VO is pretty much it, but on Windows or BlackBerry where AT is bolted 
>>> on from a menu of different vendors, that could be untenable. Will be 
>>> interesting to see how this plays out and if there are any unintended 
>>> consequences.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 12/15/11 12:09 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
 
 if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and 
 discrimination to users relying on the mac.
 
 lew
 
 
 On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote:
 
> I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have 
> for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have 
> to be accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if they make 
> Skype work with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have to do 
> anything for VO on OSX?
> 
> CB
> 
> On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
>> Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we 
>> still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of 
>> working in partnership with developers, even if it me

Re: Skype Accessibility

[Chris Blouch]

Is there such a cross-platform compiler system that supports 
accessibility? Most Mac developers I know of use XCode and so I'm not 
sure how this could be used with a common codebase. I know one developer 
who was using MonoTouch to make iOS and android apps and the iOS 
versions were pretty much totally inaccessible.


I also disagree with Adobe's approach, but as for covering themselves 
for FCC compliance they might have a reasonable case to make.


Do you know of a good cross-platform (Mac/Windows or iOS/Android) IDE 
that works with accessibility APIs?


CB

On 12/15/11 1:02 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:

A simple solution is this and it's something easy to manage.

Where an application developer creates an application from scratch as 
an example and intends to write for multiple OS architectures, 
Windows, Mac, Linux, etc,


The developer in most cases has 2 options. Either a universal custom 
manguage allowing just one app to be created, then to be compiled to 
 sub platforms ( OS X, windows, linux, etc) or and this would be a 
much better option.


the developer of an app have a dedicated windows system and dedicated 
mac system to use suitable programming languages which then give user 
accessibility options based on the true OS on each host. thereby 
giving a much cleaner approach to creating a market app.


I completely disagree with adobe in their support infrastructure to 
access technology. They're a company primarily based in design and 
production tools and of course as part of their infrastructure use 
plugins which the consumer uses such as adobe flash, shockwave, etc in 
any website environment. not allowing us to gain access to the 
products in question is their own problem but they will bring it upon 
themselves.


Getting back to the developer side of things.

I've been involved with a couple of companies over some time where 
certain tools I use have  been adapted to my needs. it's taken time 
but luckily, the team I work with know where I'm coming from and what 
I need, so implementation doesn't take long. it's emailed over to me 
or accessed over server to check and then taken on as my tools of the 
trade.


Where we stand to be honest is very carefully. the problem we have is 
that our voices aren't heard nor understood. you get those in the IT 
world who just don't grasp the situation, then there's the types who 
roll out any old junk just to rake in the money.


I hope and pray that one day, developers see us as real people with 
real needs and not a burden on resources... no... not... "That's a 
lovely burden you've got there" kind of thing.


lol

lew


On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:49, Chris Blouch wrote:

But what is the other extreme? Does a vendor need to support any 
platform they have an app for? What if they take the Adobe approach 
and support the IAccessible2 API which doesn't exit on Mac? Adobe 
could claim safe harbor because they did implement accessibility and 
it's Apple's lack of support of an open standard that makes it fail. 
Or should they be required to support a specific AT on each platform? 
That would work well for the Mac where VO is pretty much it, but on 
Windows or BlackBerry where AT is bolted on from a menu of different 
vendors, that could be untenable. Will be interesting to see how this 
plays out and if there are any unintended consequences.


CB

On 12/15/11 12:09 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and 
discrimination to users relying on the mac.


lew


On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote:

I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making 
will have for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email 
or chat app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one 
platform? So if they make Skype work with Jaws on Windows does that 
mean they don't have to do anything for VO on OSX?


CB

On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my 
comment) we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a 
question of working in partnership with developers, even if it 
means becoming beta testers officially and having direct input.


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Re: adding instruments in GarageBand

[Mr. L. Alexander]

Hi chris,

it's a good point from a saving point of view, after all it's a fair bit to buy 
each garageband extension pack.
the only disadvantage on that point is not having access to logic's own 
instruments such as ESX if I remember right.

OK ProTools is accessible and fair enough. it would be nice if logic could do 
the same.

lew

On 15 Dec 2011, at 18:11, Chris Snyder wrote:

> Even if Logic is inaccessible, once it is installed with the various 
> instrument packs, well over 50GB with everything, those instruments will 
> become available in GarageBand. That really enhances what you can do with GB 
> in my view.
> 
> Friendly,
> Chris
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 15, 2011, at 6:11 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I didn't say I used it.  I just said you might want to look into it.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
>> www.mobileaccess.org
>> 
>> On Dec 15, 2011, at 2:49 AM, Kevin Gibbs wrote:
>> 
>>> Native Instruments are completely inaccessible.  What version of Logic
>>> Pro do you have.  Since it doesn't work with VO, how do you use it?
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Re: adding instruments in GarageBand

[Chris Snyder]

Even if Logic is inaccessible, once it is installed with the various instrument 
packs, well over 50GB with everything, those instruments will become available 
in GarageBand. That really enhances what you can do with GB in my view.

Friendly,
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On Dec 15, 2011, at 6:11 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I didn't say I used it.  I just said you might want to look into it.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
> www.mobileaccess.org
> 
> On Dec 15, 2011, at 2:49 AM, Kevin Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> Native Instruments are completely inaccessible.  What version of Logic
>> Pro do you have.  Since it doesn't work with VO, how do you use it?
>> 
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Re: e-bay audio verification won't play

[Chris Blouch]

Is there a way to try this without having to create an account? In other 
words is that the only place the captcha shows up?


CB

On 12/14/11 8:13 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

Ah, good to know.  Best to contact Ebay then?


Sincerely,
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On Dec 14, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:


Hi,

This won't really solve your problem, but I thought I'd let you know
that as of a couple of days ago, this stopped working on pc's as well,
so its not a Safari / osx thing.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 14/12/2011, Ray Foret Jr > wrote:
Anybody ever try to use the audio verification on E-bay where you 
have to
enter a verification captcha?  Well, there is an audio verification 
method;
but, when you click on the "play audio" link, the window opens but 
nothing

happens.  any ideas?


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Re: Skype Accessibility

[Mr. L. Alexander]

A simple solution is this and it's something easy to manage.

Where an application developer creates an application from scratch as an 
example and intends to write for multiple OS architectures, Windows, Mac, 
Linux, etc,

The developer in most cases has 2 options. Either a universal custom manguage 
allowing just one app to be created, then to be compiled to  sub platforms ( OS 
X, windows, linux, etc) or and this would be a much better option.

the developer of an app have a dedicated windows system and dedicated mac 
system to use suitable programming languages which then give user accessibility 
options based on the true OS on each host. thereby giving a much cleaner 
approach to creating a market app.

I completely disagree with adobe in their support infrastructure to access 
technology. They're a company primarily based in design and production tools 
and of course as part of their infrastructure use plugins which the consumer 
uses such as adobe flash, shockwave, etc in any website environment. not 
allowing us to gain access to the products in question is their own problem but 
they will bring it upon themselves.

Getting back to the developer side of things.

I've been involved with a couple of companies over some time where certain 
tools I use have  been adapted to my needs. it's taken time but luckily, the 
team I work with know where I'm coming from and what I need, so implementation 
doesn't take long. it's emailed over to me or accessed over server to check and 
then taken on as my tools of the trade.

Where we stand to be honest is very carefully. the problem we have is that our 
voices aren't heard nor understood. you get those in the IT world who just 
don't grasp the situation, then there's the types who roll out any old junk 
just to rake in the money.

I hope and pray that one day, developers see us as real people with real needs 
and not a burden on resources... no... not... "That's a lovely burden you've 
got there" kind of thing.

lol

lew


On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:49, Chris Blouch wrote:

> But what is the other extreme? Does a vendor need to support any platform 
> they have an app for? What if they take the Adobe approach and support the 
> IAccessible2 API which doesn't exit on Mac? Adobe could claim safe harbor 
> because they did implement accessibility and it's Apple's lack of support of 
> an open standard that makes it fail. Or should they be required to support a 
> specific AT on each platform? That would work well for the Mac where VO is 
> pretty much it, but on Windows or BlackBerry where AT is bolted on from a 
> menu of different vendors, that could be untenable. Will be interesting to 
> see how this plays out and if there are any unintended consequences.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 12/15/11 12:09 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
>> 
>> if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and 
>> discrimination to users relying on the mac.
>> 
>> lew
>> 
>> 
>> On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote:
>> 
>>> I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have 
>>> for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have 
>>> to be accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if they make 
>>> Skype work with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have to do 
>>> anything for VO on OSX?
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
 Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we 
 still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working 
 in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers 
 officially and having direct input.
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>> Free Macs For The Blind.
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>> Direct line: 07936 877500
>> Twitter: @macsfortheblind
>> 
>> Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but working 
>> apple macs for blind and visually impaired people throughout the UK FOR FREE!
>> 
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>> copy of outspoken 9.2 you would be willing to donate? please get in touch.
>> 
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>> help anybody disabled with anything Apple!
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Re: setting up php on my mac

[Chris Blouch]

PHP is already installed on OSX. All you have to do is enable it in the 
/etc/apache2/httpd.conf file removing the # character from the front of 
the line which reads:


LoadModule php5_module libexec/apache2/libphp5.so

And then stop and start web sharing. After that any file ending in .php 
should be processed by the php engine. You might have to change other 
things if you've modified other default settings of Apache such as where 
the html files are served from.


CB

On 12/14/11 9:46 PM, Venkatesh Potluri wrote:

Hi all.
I am trying to setup PHP on my macbook running macOSX 10.7.2. I read that some 
changes have to be made to the httpd.conf file. I read the instructions given 
in the php website but could not succeed.
first, I was unable to located the 2nd line of code in step 2. and I couldn't 
quite understand anything after that. It would be of great help if anybody can 
help me configure php and apache.
the link I followed is:
http://www.php.net/manual/en/install.macosx.bundled.php
Thank you.
Cheers
Venkatesh Potluri



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Re: Skype Accessibility

[Krister Ekstrom]

I have no problems whatsoever with where i land when i open my app. If i land 
in Skype home, then so be it, it's just a matter of interacting with the first 
table you see and go to contacts and then stop interacting.  What i have issues 
with is the fact that you can read facebook posts and comments in skype, and 
you can comment and stuff, but you can't write a status update only for 
facebook, it goes to skype and optionally to facebook, but that is not an 
accessibility issue, it's a handling issue and maybe you can even write 
comments only to facebook , but i just don't know how.
/Krister

15 dec 2011 kl. 16:06 skrev Daniel Miller:

> There's a service called Skype Premium, and apparently paying for that gives
> you focus straight on the contact list when the app is launched. From what I
> understand, though, skype Premium's only main advantage is video calling
> features.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:04 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility
> 
> What does one mean pay, Skype is a free app.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 15 Dec 2011, at 02:09 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
>> Um, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I agree with Missy, 
>> why should we have to pay just to get focus on the contact list? Plus, 
>> it's honestly not that hard to move focus to the contact list once 
>> skype starts, but that's besides the point, I suppose.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:46 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Skype Accessibility
>> 
>> OK. This makes no sense to me. So I'd have to pay for skype to get it 
>> to start up in a layout that actually makes sense? How much would that 
>> cost? I hate that html thing, and I think it's ridiculous that I can't 
>> have a different layout, especially at startup. If you could please 
>> clerify this a bit further, I would really appreciate it.
>> Missy
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:35 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility
>> 
>> Re: startup focus/source.
>> By design.
>> Paid users DO have focus in contact list.
>> Non paid users have focus in Skype Home which is the "random HTML content"
>> described.
>> 
>> Kevin
>> 
>> On 12/15/11, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>>> You are using wrong way to filter.
>>> There is specific quickfilter field in the main window toolbar.
>>> You need to enter the "toolbar" table and then navigate to a field 
>>> which is labelled as "Search search text field".
>>> Using this quickfilter will present all relevant conversations and 
>>> contact matching the string you entered.
>>> 
>>> Kevin
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/15/11, Mr. L. Alexander  wrote:
 I very much agree.
 
 fixing accessibility issues in an app requires more than just 1 
 simple fix, as soon as you change 1 component in an app, the domino 
 affect occurs.
 that
 change affects the way another component, whether it be a script, 
 function, library object, etc to behave differently, thus meaning 
 that each part has to be edited several times to solve. So, yes it's 
 going to take a few version updates to resolve. lets's not forget 
 who owns skype now though...
 MICROSOFT! so that explains one thing.
 
 Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) 
 we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of 
 working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming 
 beta testers officially and having direct input.
 
 lew
 
 On 15 Dec 2011, at 10:27, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
 
> I was going to keep my big politically incorrect mouth shut in this 
> thread, but i can't help saying this: Do *not* expect the bugs we 
> report will be fixed 10 minutes ago, because they won't. Maybe 
> it'll take several updates if at all. Someone said a good thing in 
> another thread a while back, namely that we are such a tiny little 
> group that we are not in any way prioritized. I don't say this to 
> discourage anyone, just telling as it is. I know how frustrating it 
> can be to wait for bugs to be fixed and issues to be looked at, but 
> have patience, that's all i can say. Only my
> 2
> cents worth in this matter, now flame me however much you like.
> /Krister
> 
> 14 dec 2011 kl. 23:35 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu:
> 
>> Kevin,
>> 
>> I'd like to know, if all our reports are going to turn into 
>> something positive?  I just do not want to s

Re: Skype Accessibility

[Chris Blouch]

But what is the other extreme? Does a vendor need to support any 
platform they have an app for? What if they take the Adobe approach and 
support the IAccessible2 API which doesn't exit on Mac? Adobe could 
claim safe harbor because they did implement accessibility and it's 
Apple's lack of support of an open standard that makes it fail. Or 
should they be required to support a specific AT on each platform? That 
would work well for the Mac where VO is pretty much it, but on Windows 
or BlackBerry where AT is bolted on from a menu of different vendors, 
that could be untenable. Will be interesting to see how this plays out 
and if there are any unintended consequences.


CB

On 12/15/11 12:09 PM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and 
discrimination to users relying on the mac.


lew


On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote:

I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will 
have for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat 
app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if 
they make Skype work with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't 
have to do anything for VO on OSX?


CB

On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) 
we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of 
working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming 
beta testers officially and having direct input.


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Re: Skype Accessibility

[Kevin Chao]

There is a + button in the incoming call monitor labelled in VO as
"merge calls button"

Kevin

On 12/15/11, Mr. L. Alexander  wrote:
> I'm sorry. maybe I should have been more direct in my meaning.
>
> Take as a primary instance and as the discussion has formed over this
> product, Skype.
>
> Because of the way the app is designed, it's coded in 2 versions. the
> microsoft windows compiled version and the mac compiled version using two
> programming formats.
>
> with reference to the accessibility coding rules, as far as microsoft are
> concerned, they have played their part, however because this product is a
> widespread application and developed as a port on the mac, accessibility
> management has to be applied.
>
> the XBOX is not a product I have any experience with what so ever so I
> cannot justify nor make comment on the product.
>
> My view is this.
>
> For a product to work for us, we need to be clear to developers of what we
> need in the form of screen reader support. So for this to happen, it's worth
> taking a few of us to each developer, explaining what we need out of the
> product, the solution, our willingness to be involved as beta testers /
> developers, etc to make a difference.
>
> A sighted person doesn't need adaptations to a product as it's straight
> forward GUI method, for a blind or visually impaired user, the adaptation is
> imperative. Otherwise what's the point.
>
> I'm not going any further as this might land me in trouble here for telling
> certain manufacturers of certain software what I think of them. so I won't
>
> lol
>
> lew
>
> On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:12, Daniel Miller wrote:
>
>> Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off
>> topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That’s not accessible to all
>> users, only those with vision. By that I mean the dashboard (which is
>> where you make any system settings changes, etc) isn’t accessible.
>>
>>
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility
>>
>> if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and
>> discrimination to users relying on the mac.
>>
>> lew
>>
>>
>> On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote:
>>
>>
>> I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have
>> for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have
>> to be accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if they make
>> Skype work with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have to do
>> anything for VO on OSX?
>>
>> CB
>>
>> On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
>>
>> Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we
>> still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working
>> in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers
>> officially and having direct input.
>>
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Re: braille connect 40 inputing text on the mac or Ipad

[Alex Hall]

What exactly does it enter, and does the nonsensical text change
depending on the braille character you type? What happens, for
instance, with an a (dot 1)? What about a b (1-2)?

On 12/15/11, Rachel Magario  wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> anyone using braille connect40?
> I am having trouble inputting text with it. Every time I write something it
> enters a bunch of gibberish instead of what I am typing.
> Anyone has been successful with entering text?
> Thank you and my apologies if you got double emails.
> Rachel.
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Re: Skype Accessibility

[Mr. L. Alexander]

I'm sorry. maybe I should have been more direct in my meaning.

Take as a primary instance and as the discussion has formed over this product, 
Skype.

Because of the way the app is designed, it's coded in 2 versions. the microsoft 
windows compiled version and the mac compiled version using two programming 
formats.

with reference to the accessibility coding rules, as far as microsoft are 
concerned, they have played their part, however because this product is a 
widespread application and developed as a port on the mac, accessibility 
management has to be applied.

the XBOX is not a product I have any experience with what so ever so I cannot 
justify nor make comment on the product.

My view is this.

For a product to work for us, we need to be clear to developers of what we need 
in the form of screen reader support. So for this to happen, it's worth taking 
a few of us to each developer, explaining what we need out of the product, the 
solution, our willingness to be involved as beta testers / developers, etc to 
make a difference.

A sighted person doesn't need adaptations to a product as it's straight forward 
GUI method, for a blind or visually impaired user, the adaptation is 
imperative. Otherwise what's the point.

I'm not going any further as this might land me in trouble here for telling 
certain manufacturers of certain software what I think of them. so I won't

lol

lew

On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:12, Daniel Miller wrote:

> Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off 
> topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That’s not accessible to all 
> users, only those with vision. By that I mean the dashboard (which is where 
> you make any system settings changes, etc) isn’t accessible.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility
>  
> if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and 
> discrimination to users relying on the mac.
>  
> lew
>  
>  
> On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote:
> 
> 
> I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have for 
> accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have to be 
> accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if they make Skype work 
> with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on 
> OSX?
> 
> CB
> 
> On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
> 
> Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still 
> have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in 
> partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers 
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braille connect 40 inputing text on the mac or Ipad

[Rachel Magario]

Hello everyone,

anyone using braille connect40?
I am having trouble inputting text with it. Every time I write something it 
enters a bunch of gibberish instead of what I am typing.
Anyone has been successful with entering text?
Thank you and my apologies if you got double emails.
Rachel.

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RE: Skype Accessibility

[Daniel Miller]

Microgarbage already discriminates in the first place. I know this is off
topic, but take the Xbox 360, for example. That's not accessible to all
users, only those with vision. By that I mean the dashboard (which is where
you make any system settings changes, etc) isn't accessible.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:09 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility

 

if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and
discrimination to users relying on the mac.

 

lew

 

 

On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote:





I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have
for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have to
be accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if they make Skype
work with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for
VO on OSX?

CB

On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:



Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we
still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in
partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers
officially and having direct input.


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Re: Skype Accessibility

[Mr. L. Alexander]

if that were to be the case, that in itself is product exclusion and 
discrimination to users relying on the mac.

lew


On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Chris Blouch wrote:

> I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will have for 
> accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat app have to be 
> accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if they make Skype work 
> with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have to do anything for VO on 
> OSX?
> 
> CB
> 
> On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
>> Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we 
>> still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in 
>> partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers 
>> officially and having direct input.
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Re: Skype Accessibility

[Chris Blouch]

I wonder what impact the new FCC notice of proposed rule making will 
have for accessibility in communications apps. Will any email or chat 
app have to be accessibly implemented on at least one platform? So if 
they make Skype work with Jaws on Windows does that mean they don't have 
to do anything for VO on OSX?


CB

On 12/15/11 5:58 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote:
Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) 
we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of 
working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta 
testers officially and having direct input.


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Bluetooth Keyboard for iPhone 4?

[Michael Busboom]

Hello everyone,

Since I find it very difficult to enter data on my iPhone, I am considering 
buying a bluetooth keyboard that, apparently, has been designed specifically 
for the iPhone.  I was told that this bluetooth keyboard is made by a company 
called Boxwave and that is designed in such a way to enable the iPhone and 
keyboard to basically fit in one case.

Has anyone had any experience with this product and are there any gotchas, as 
far as VO is concerned?

Thanks and best regards,

Mike

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Re: Wireless keyboard

[Red.Falcon]

Hi Rahul!
Heres a link to give you a list of commands!

http://axslab.com/articles/ios-voiceover-gestures-and-keyboard-commands.php

On 15 Dec 2011, at 16:02, Rahul Bajaj wrote:

> Hey Ricardo,
> 
> Thanks for your message.
> BTW, how can I use the rotor for using Safari?
> 
> 
> On 15/12/2011, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> basic navigation is exactly the same as on the Mac.  You can also use quick
>> nav (just like on the Mac) by pressing the left and right arrow keys to
>> toggle this mode on/off.  For Safari, I guess using the rotor is the best
>> way to go.  In my opinion, if your a Mac user, there really isn't much one
>> needs to know.
>> 
>> hth
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rwalker...@gmail.com
>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
>> www.mobileaccess.org
>> 
>> On Dec 15, 2011, at 7:43 AM, Rahul Bajaj wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I've recently purchased an Apple wireless keyboard for my iPod Touch.
>>> So, I would be extremely grateful if any of you would be able to share a
>>> few tips that would help me in using the keyboard.
>>> Which key combinations do you find most useful?
>>> How can I use Safari with the help of my keyboard?
>>> 
>>> Your help would be really appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Rahul
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Re: Wireless keyboard

[Rahul Bajaj]

Hey Ricardo,

Thanks for your message.
BTW, how can I use the rotor for using Safari?


On 15/12/2011, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> basic navigation is exactly the same as on the Mac.  You can also use quick
> nav (just like on the Mac) by pressing the left and right arrow keys to
> toggle this mode on/off.  For Safari, I guess using the rotor is the best
> way to go.  In my opinion, if your a Mac user, there really isn't much one
> needs to know.
>
> hth
>
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
> www.mobileaccess.org
>
> On Dec 15, 2011, at 7:43 AM, Rahul Bajaj wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've recently purchased an Apple wireless keyboard for my iPod Touch.
>> So, I would be extremely grateful if any of you would be able to share a
>> few tips that would help me in using the keyboard.
>> Which key combinations do you find most useful?
>> How can I use Safari with the help of my keyboard?
>>
>> Your help would be really appreciated.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Rahul
>>
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Re: Wireless keyboard

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

basic navigation is exactly the same as on the Mac.  You can also use quick nav 
(just like on the Mac) by pressing the left and right arrow keys to toggle this 
mode on/off.  For Safari, I guess using the rotor is the best way to go.  In my 
opinion, if your a Mac user, there really isn't much one needs to know.

hth

Ricardo Walker
rwalker...@gmail.com
Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
www.mobileaccess.org

On Dec 15, 2011, at 7:43 AM, Rahul Bajaj wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I've recently purchased an Apple wireless keyboard for my iPod Touch.
> So, I would be extremely grateful if any of you would be able to share a few 
> tips that would help me in using the keyboard.
> Which key combinations do you find most useful?
> How can I use Safari with the help of my keyboard?
> 
> Your help would be really appreciated.
> 
> Cheers,
> Rahul 
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Re: Keeping Notes from showing in My Mail Inbox?

[Teresa Cochran]

Thanks, Ricardo. I think I may go back to the cloud for my notes as well. I 
have a sneaking suspicion that I may be getting two copies of each note: one 
pushed from the cloud and one on my Mac.

Teresa

"On the other hand, there are different fingers."

On Dec 14, 2011, at 1:10 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> You can have your notes not created in your inbox by going to mail prefs and 
> looking under composing, choose on my Mac in the create note using pop up 
> menu.  The thing I don't like about this is, when you do this the notes you 
> create on your Mac are not pushed to your other devices.  I prefer to have my 
> notes created in iCloud for this reason.
> 
> hth
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
> www.mobileaccess.org
> 
> On Dec 14, 2011, at 2:00 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> 
>> Hi teresa. 
>> I have the same thing on my iPhone and I haven't had the nerve, since it 
>> took me a while to restore my notes after setting the Cloud, to take off the 
>> Mac's inbox. What would happen if we transferred them to the Archi"e folder 
>> in the Cloud? At least that way, we could get them again if we had to more 
>> easily. I had to get again off the PacMate and it was a pain because it 
>> didn't work the / time. 
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> Gigi 
>> 
>> On Dec 14, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, all,
>>> 
>>> I have my notes set up to go to "on my Mac". I notice that they appear in 
>>> my inbox list. When I delete one, it's deleted from my notes folder. I do 
>>> remember having a separate Notes folder a long time ago, but it got 
>>> corrupted or some such thing, and now I'm using Notes more and more.
>>> 
>>> What should I do to hide notes from my inbox?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> "Slow down; you'll get there faster."
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RE: Skype Accessibility

[Daniel Miller]

There's a service called Skype Premium, and apparently paying for that gives
you focus straight on the contact list when the app is launched. From what I
understand, though, skype Premium's only main advantage is video calling
features.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:04 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility

What does one mean pay, Skype is a free app.

Sent from my iPhone

On 15 Dec 2011, at 02:09 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

> Um, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I agree with Missy, 
> why should we have to pay just to get focus on the contact list? Plus, 
> it's honestly not that hard to move focus to the contact list once 
> skype starts, but that's besides the point, I suppose.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:46 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Skype Accessibility
> 
> OK. This makes no sense to me. So I'd have to pay for skype to get it 
> to start up in a layout that actually makes sense? How much would that 
> cost? I hate that html thing, and I think it's ridiculous that I can't 
> have a different layout, especially at startup. If you could please 
> clerify this a bit further, I would really appreciate it.
> Missy
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:35 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility
> 
> Re: startup focus/source.
> By design.
> Paid users DO have focus in contact list.
> Non paid users have focus in Skype Home which is the "random HTML content"
> described.
> 
> Kevin
> 
> On 12/15/11, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>> You are using wrong way to filter.
>> There is specific quickfilter field in the main window toolbar.
>> You need to enter the "toolbar" table and then navigate to a field 
>> which is labelled as "Search search text field".
>> Using this quickfilter will present all relevant conversations and 
>> contact matching the string you entered.
>> 
>> Kevin
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/15/11, Mr. L. Alexander  wrote:
>>> I very much agree.
>>> 
>>> fixing accessibility issues in an app requires more than just 1 
>>> simple fix, as soon as you change 1 component in an app, the domino 
>>> affect occurs.
>>> that
>>> change affects the way another component, whether it be a script, 
>>> function, library object, etc to behave differently, thus meaning 
>>> that each part has to be edited several times to solve. So, yes it's 
>>> going to take a few version updates to resolve. lets's not forget 
>>> who owns skype now though...
>>> MICROSOFT! so that explains one thing.
>>> 
>>> Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) 
>>> we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of 
>>> working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming 
>>> beta testers officially and having direct input.
>>> 
>>> lew
>>> 
>>> On 15 Dec 2011, at 10:27, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>>> 
 I was going to keep my big politically incorrect mouth shut in this 
 thread, but i can't help saying this: Do *not* expect the bugs we 
 report will be fixed 10 minutes ago, because they won't. Maybe 
 it'll take several updates if at all. Someone said a good thing in 
 another thread a while back, namely that we are such a tiny little 
 group that we are not in any way prioritized. I don't say this to 
 discourage anyone, just telling as it is. I know how frustrating it 
 can be to wait for bugs to be fixed and issues to be looked at, but 
 have patience, that's all i can say. Only my
 2
 cents worth in this matter, now flame me however much you like.
 /Krister
 
 14 dec 2011 kl. 23:35 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu:
 
> Kevin,
> 
> I'd like to know, if all our reports are going to turn into 
> something positive?  I just do not want to see that we provide the 
> reports and when a new version of Skype comes out things remain 
> the same.  We have have had lots of updates to Skype and we have 
> never seen things fixed.  I am not trying to be negative but 
> rather I'd like to see the positives.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:03, Kevin Chao wrote:
> 
>> Thanks everyone! I've taken all the feedback that's been shared 
>> via this thread, especially as it relates to VoiceOver 
>> accessibility and Skype of what's not working at all, what can 
>> work better, or what people would like to see. I've taken all of 
>> this and provided all this feedback as individual bug reports 
>> into the bug tracking system. Each specific 
>> issue/sugge

Re: Skype Accessibility

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

What does one mean pay, Skype is a free app.

Sent from my iPhone

On 15 Dec 2011, at 02:09 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

> Um, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I agree with Missy, why
> should we have to pay just to get focus on the contact list? Plus, it's
> honestly not that hard to move focus to the contact list once skype starts,
> but that's besides the point, I suppose.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:46 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Skype Accessibility
> 
> OK. This makes no sense to me. So I'd have to pay for skype to get it to
> start up in a layout that actually makes sense? How much would that cost? I
> hate that html thing, and I think it's ridiculous that I can't have a
> different layout, especially at startup. If you could please clerify this a
> bit further, I would really appreciate it.
> Missy
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:35 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility
> 
> Re: startup focus/source.
> By design.
> Paid users DO have focus in contact list.
> Non paid users have focus in Skype Home which is the "random HTML content"
> described.
> 
> Kevin
> 
> On 12/15/11, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>> You are using wrong way to filter.
>> There is specific quickfilter field in the main window toolbar.
>> You need to enter the "toolbar" table and then navigate to a field 
>> which is labelled as "Search search text field".
>> Using this quickfilter will present all relevant conversations and 
>> contact matching the string you entered.
>> 
>> Kevin
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/15/11, Mr. L. Alexander  wrote:
>>> I very much agree.
>>> 
>>> fixing accessibility issues in an app requires more than just 1 
>>> simple fix, as soon as you change 1 component in an app, the domino 
>>> affect occurs.
>>> that
>>> change affects the way another component, whether it be a script, 
>>> function, library object, etc to behave differently, thus meaning 
>>> that each part has to be edited several times to solve. So, yes it's 
>>> going to take a few version updates to resolve. lets's not forget who 
>>> owns skype now though...
>>> MICROSOFT! so that explains one thing.
>>> 
>>> Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) 
>>> we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of 
>>> working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming 
>>> beta testers officially and having direct input.
>>> 
>>> lew
>>> 
>>> On 15 Dec 2011, at 10:27, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>>> 
 I was going to keep my big politically incorrect mouth shut in this 
 thread, but i can't help saying this: Do *not* expect the bugs we 
 report will be fixed 10 minutes ago, because they won't. Maybe it'll 
 take several updates if at all. Someone said a good thing in another 
 thread a while back, namely that we are such a tiny little group 
 that we are not in any way prioritized. I don't say this to 
 discourage anyone, just telling as it is. I know how frustrating it 
 can be to wait for bugs to be fixed and issues to be looked at, but 
 have patience, that's all i can say. Only my
 2
 cents worth in this matter, now flame me however much you like.
 /Krister
 
 14 dec 2011 kl. 23:35 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu:
 
> Kevin,
> 
> I'd like to know, if all our reports are going to turn into 
> something positive?  I just do not want to see that we provide the 
> reports and when a new version of Skype comes out things remain the 
> same.  We have have had lots of updates to Skype and we have never 
> seen things fixed.  I am not trying to be negative but rather I'd 
> like to see the positives.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:03, Kevin Chao wrote:
> 
>> Thanks everyone! I've taken all the feedback that's been shared 
>> via this thread, especially as it relates to VoiceOver 
>> accessibility and Skype of what's not working at all, what can 
>> work better, or what people would like to see. I've taken all of 
>> this and provided all this feedback as individual bug reports into 
>> the bug tracking system. Each specific issue/suggestion/request 
>> are individual bug reports with lots of required detailed 
>> information. The Beta Manager, Product Manager, and Engineers all have
> seen these reports or will see them very soon.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Kevin
>> 
>> On 12/14/11, Jessica  wrote:
>>> I had the same problem on my pc, even with scripts installed, so 
>>> you're not the only one.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Missy Hoppe" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Wedne

Frustrations with growl

[Missy Hoppe]

Hi, all! I think I've primarily caused this problem myself, but am hoping there 
might be a way to fix it. I installed an
update for growl yesterday, version 1.3.2, and things just seem a bit off now. 
I also installed growl saphari, growl mail
and growl tunes from the web site, but none of them seem to do anything, and 
growl mail doesn't even show up as being
installed even though the install was supposedly successful. Anyway, The main 
problem I'm having is that I want to configure
growl so that it will announce song changes in itunes, but itunes isn't listed 
in the applications tab. I seem to remember
stupidly thinking I wanted to delete itunes from growl a few months ago, so am 
wondering if there's any way to add it in
again. If I uninstalled growl and reinstalled it from the app store, would that 
help at all, or have I perminantly broken it?
Also, is there any point to having growl tunes, growl saphari and growl mail 
installed, or are those no longer necessary with
the new app store version of growl and hardware growler I purchased. Any 
assistance you can provide would be extremely
appreciated. Thank you all for your time, and I hope that everyone is having a 
really great day!
Missy


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RE: Skype Accessibility

[Daniel Miller]

Um, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I agree with Missy, why
should we have to pay just to get focus on the contact list? Plus, it's
honestly not that hard to move focus to the contact list once skype starts,
but that's besides the point, I suppose.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Skype Accessibility

OK. This makes no sense to me. So I'd have to pay for skype to get it to
start up in a layout that actually makes sense? How much would that cost? I
hate that html thing, and I think it's ridiculous that I can't have a
different layout, especially at startup. If you could please clerify this a
bit further, I would really appreciate it.
Missy


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility

Re: startup focus/source.
By design.
Paid users DO have focus in contact list.
Non paid users have focus in Skype Home which is the "random HTML content"
described.

Kevin

On 12/15/11, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> You are using wrong way to filter.
> There is specific quickfilter field in the main window toolbar.
> You need to enter the "toolbar" table and then navigate to a field 
> which is labelled as "Search search text field".
> Using this quickfilter will present all relevant conversations and 
> contact matching the string you entered.
>
> Kevin
>
>
> On 12/15/11, Mr. L. Alexander  wrote:
>> I very much agree.
>>
>> fixing accessibility issues in an app requires more than just 1 
>> simple fix, as soon as you change 1 component in an app, the domino 
>> affect occurs.
>> that
>> change affects the way another component, whether it be a script, 
>> function, library object, etc to behave differently, thus meaning 
>> that each part has to be edited several times to solve. So, yes it's 
>> going to take a few version updates to resolve. lets's not forget who 
>> owns skype now though...
>> MICROSOFT! so that explains one thing.
>>
>> Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) 
>> we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of 
>> working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming 
>> beta testers officially and having direct input.
>>
>> lew
>>
>> On 15 Dec 2011, at 10:27, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>>
>>> I was going to keep my big politically incorrect mouth shut in this 
>>> thread, but i can't help saying this: Do *not* expect the bugs we 
>>> report will be fixed 10 minutes ago, because they won't. Maybe it'll 
>>> take several updates if at all. Someone said a good thing in another 
>>> thread a while back, namely that we are such a tiny little group 
>>> that we are not in any way prioritized. I don't say this to 
>>> discourage anyone, just telling as it is. I know how frustrating it 
>>> can be to wait for bugs to be fixed and issues to be looked at, but 
>>> have patience, that's all i can say. Only my
>>> 2
>>> cents worth in this matter, now flame me however much you like.
>>> /Krister
>>>
>>> 14 dec 2011 kl. 23:35 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu:
>>>
 Kevin,

 I'd like to know, if all our reports are going to turn into 
 something positive?  I just do not want to see that we provide the 
 reports and when a new version of Skype comes out things remain the 
 same.  We have have had lots of updates to Skype and we have never 
 seen things fixed.  I am not trying to be negative but rather I'd 
 like to see the positives.

 Kawal.
 On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:03, Kevin Chao wrote:

> Thanks everyone! I've taken all the feedback that's been shared 
> via this thread, especially as it relates to VoiceOver 
> accessibility and Skype of what's not working at all, what can 
> work better, or what people would like to see. I've taken all of 
> this and provided all this feedback as individual bug reports into 
> the bug tracking system. Each specific issue/suggestion/request 
> are individual bug reports with lots of required detailed 
> information. The Beta Manager, Product Manager, and Engineers all have
seen these reports or will see them very soon.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kevin
>
> On 12/14/11, Jessica  wrote:
>> I had the same problem on my pc, even with scripts installed, so 
>> you're not the only one.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Missy Hoppe" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:30 AM
>> Subject: RE: Skype Accessibility
>>
>>
>>> Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in 
>>> on this, but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For 
>>> example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this

RE: Skype Accessibility

[Missy Hoppe]

OK. This makes no sense to me. So I'd have to pay for skype to get it to start 
up in a layout that actually makes sense? How
much would that cost? I hate that html thing, and I think it's ridiculous that 
I can't have a different layout, especially at
startup. If you could please clerify this a bit further, I would really 
appreciate it.
Missy


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Skype Accessibility

Re: startup focus/source.
By design.
Paid users DO have focus in contact list.
Non paid users have focus in Skype Home which is the "random HTML content" 
described.

Kevin

On 12/15/11, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> You are using wrong way to filter.
> There is specific quickfilter field in the main window toolbar.
> You need to enter the "toolbar" table and then navigate to a field
> which is labelled as "Search search text field".
> Using this quickfilter will present all relevant conversations and
> contact matching the string you entered.
>
> Kevin
>
>
> On 12/15/11, Mr. L. Alexander  wrote:
>> I very much agree.
>>
>> fixing accessibility issues in an app requires more than just 1
>> simple fix, as soon as you change 1 component in an app, the domino
>> affect occurs.
>> that
>> change affects the way another component, whether it be a script,
>> function, library object, etc to behave differently, thus meaning
>> that each part has to be edited several times to solve. So, yes it's
>> going to take a few version updates to resolve. lets's not forget who
>> owns skype now though...
>> MICROSOFT! so that explains one thing.
>>
>> Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment)
>> we still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of
>> working in partnership with developers, even if it means becoming
>> beta testers officially and having direct input.
>>
>> lew
>>
>> On 15 Dec 2011, at 10:27, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>>
>>> I was going to keep my big politically incorrect mouth shut in this
>>> thread, but i can't help saying this: Do *not* expect the bugs we
>>> report will be fixed 10 minutes ago, because they won't. Maybe it'll
>>> take several updates if at all. Someone said a good thing in another
>>> thread a while back, namely that we are such a tiny little group
>>> that we are not in any way prioritized. I don't say this to
>>> discourage anyone, just telling as it is. I know how frustrating it
>>> can be to wait for bugs to be fixed and issues to be looked at, but
>>> have patience, that's all i can say. Only my
>>> 2
>>> cents worth in this matter, now flame me however much you like.
>>> /Krister
>>>
>>> 14 dec 2011 kl. 23:35 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu:
>>>
 Kevin,

 I'd like to know, if all our reports are going to turn into
 something positive?  I just do not want to see that we provide the
 reports and when a new version of Skype comes out things remain the
 same.  We have have had lots of updates to Skype and we have never
 seen things fixed.  I am not trying to be negative but rather I'd
 like to see the positives.

 Kawal.
 On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:03, Kevin Chao wrote:

> Thanks everyone! I've taken all the feedback that's been shared
> via this thread, especially as it relates to VoiceOver
> accessibility and Skype of what's not working at all, what can
> work better, or what people would like to see. I've taken all of
> this and provided all this feedback as individual bug reports into
> the bug tracking system. Each specific issue/suggestion/request
> are individual bug reports with lots of required detailed
> information. The Beta Manager, Product Manager, and Engineers all have 
> seen these reports or will see them very soon.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kevin
>
> On 12/14/11, Jessica  wrote:
>> I had the same problem on my pc, even with scripts installed, so
>> you're not the only one.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Missy Hoppe" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:30 AM
>> Subject: RE: Skype Accessibility
>>
>>
>>> Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in
>>> on this, but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For
>>> example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this html thing.
>>> It
>>> seems that it used to open on a list of my contacts, and that
>>> said list didn't have those annoying favorites checkboxes.
>>> I
>>> think the layout should be more customizeable, especially at
>>> start-up. Or maybe I'm just missing something? Also, finding
>>>
>>> missed events, especially contact requests, needs to be a bit
>>> more intuitive, but there again, it could just be my lack of
>>> experience. I never use skype at all on my PC; if I bother with

Re: Skype Accessibility

[Kevin Chao]

Re: startup focus/source.
By design.
Paid users DO have focus in contact list.
Non paid users have focus in Skype Home which is the "random HTML
content" described.

Kevin

On 12/15/11, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> You are using wrong way to filter.
> There is specific quickfilter field in the main window toolbar.
> You need to enter the "toolbar" table and then navigate to a field
> which is labelled as "Search search text field".
> Using this quickfilter will present all relevant conversations and
> contact matching the string you entered.
>
> Kevin
>
>
> On 12/15/11, Mr. L. Alexander  wrote:
>> I very much agree.
>>
>> fixing accessibility issues in an app requires more than just 1 simple
>> fix,
>> as soon as you change 1 component in an app, the domino affect occurs.
>> that
>> change affects the way another component, whether it be a script,
>> function,
>> library object, etc to behave differently, thus meaning that each part
>> has
>> to be edited several times to solve. So, yes it's going to take a few
>> version updates to resolve. lets's not forget who owns skype now
>> though...
>> MICROSOFT! so that explains one thing.
>>
>> Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we
>> still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working
>> in
>> partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers
>> officially and having direct input.
>>
>> lew
>>
>> On 15 Dec 2011, at 10:27, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>>
>>> I was going to keep my big politically incorrect mouth shut in this
>>> thread, but i can't help saying this: Do *not* expect the bugs we report
>>> will be fixed 10 minutes ago, because they won't. Maybe it'll take
>>> several
>>> updates if at all. Someone said a good thing in another thread a while
>>> back, namely that we are such a tiny little group that we are not in any
>>> way prioritized. I don't say this to discourage anyone, just telling as
>>> it
>>> is. I know how frustrating it can be to wait for bugs to be fixed and
>>> issues to be looked at, but have patience, that's all i can say. Only my
>>> 2
>>> cents worth in this matter, now flame me however much you like.
>>> /Krister
>>>
>>> 14 dec 2011 kl. 23:35 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu:
>>>
 Kevin,

 I'd like to know, if all our reports are going to turn into something
 positive?  I just do not want to see that we provide the reports and
 when
 a new version of Skype comes out things remain the same.  We have have
 had lots of updates to Skype and we have never seen things fixed.  I am
 not trying to be negative but rather I'd like to see the positives.

 Kawal.
 On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:03, Kevin Chao wrote:

> Thanks everyone! I've taken all the feedback that's been shared via
> this thread, especially as it relates to VoiceOver accessibility and
> Skype of what's not working at all, what can work better, or what
> people would like to see. I've taken all of this and provided all this
> feedback as individual bug reports into the bug tracking system. Each
> specific issue/suggestion/request are individual bug reports with lots
> of required detailed information. The Beta Manager, Product Manager,
> and Engineers all have seen these reports or will see them very soon.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kevin
>
> On 12/14/11, Jessica  wrote:
>> I had the same problem on my pc, even with scripts installed, so
>> you're
>> not
>> the only one.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Missy Hoppe" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:30 AM
>> Subject: RE: Skype Accessibility
>>
>>
>>> Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on
>>> this,
>>> but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For
>>> example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this html thing.
>>> It
>>> seems that it used to open on a list of my contacts,
>>> and that said list didn't have those annoying favorites checkboxes.
>>> I
>>> think the layout should be more customizeable,
>>> especially at start-up. Or maybe I'm just missing something? Also,
>>> finding
>>>
>>> missed events, especially contact requests, needs
>>> to be a bit more intuitive, but there again, it could just be my
>>> lack
>>> of
>>> experience. I never use skype at all on my PC; if I
>>> bother with it at all, it's only on the mac. I'm sorry if the things
>>> I'm
>>> requesting are already possible and I'm just too
>>> inexperienced to  figure them out, but off the top of my head, those
>>> are
>>> the suggestions I have.
>>> Missy
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:01 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries
>>> Subject: Skype Accessib

Re: Skype Accessibility

[Kevin Chao]

You are using wrong way to filter.
There is specific quickfilter field in the main window toolbar.
You need to enter the "toolbar" table and then navigate to a field
which is labelled as "Search search text field".
Using this quickfilter will present all relevant conversations and
contact matching the string you entered.

Kevin


On 12/15/11, Mr. L. Alexander  wrote:
> I very much agree.
>
> fixing accessibility issues in an app requires more than just 1 simple fix,
> as soon as you change 1 component in an app, the domino affect occurs. that
> change affects the way another component, whether it be a script, function,
> library object, etc to behave differently, thus meaning that each part has
> to be edited several times to solve. So, yes it's going to take a few
> version updates to resolve. lets's not forget who owns skype now though...
> MICROSOFT! so that explains one thing.
>
> Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we
> still have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in
> partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers
> officially and having direct input.
>
> lew
>
> On 15 Dec 2011, at 10:27, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>
>> I was going to keep my big politically incorrect mouth shut in this
>> thread, but i can't help saying this: Do *not* expect the bugs we report
>> will be fixed 10 minutes ago, because they won't. Maybe it'll take several
>> updates if at all. Someone said a good thing in another thread a while
>> back, namely that we are such a tiny little group that we are not in any
>> way prioritized. I don't say this to discourage anyone, just telling as it
>> is. I know how frustrating it can be to wait for bugs to be fixed and
>> issues to be looked at, but have patience, that's all i can say. Only my 2
>> cents worth in this matter, now flame me however much you like.
>> /Krister
>>
>> 14 dec 2011 kl. 23:35 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu:
>>
>>> Kevin,
>>>
>>> I'd like to know, if all our reports are going to turn into something
>>> positive?  I just do not want to see that we provide the reports and when
>>> a new version of Skype comes out things remain the same.  We have have
>>> had lots of updates to Skype and we have never seen things fixed.  I am
>>> not trying to be negative but rather I'd like to see the positives.
>>>
>>> Kawal.
>>> On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:03, Kevin Chao wrote:
>>>
 Thanks everyone! I've taken all the feedback that's been shared via
 this thread, especially as it relates to VoiceOver accessibility and
 Skype of what's not working at all, what can work better, or what
 people would like to see. I've taken all of this and provided all this
 feedback as individual bug reports into the bug tracking system. Each
 specific issue/suggestion/request are individual bug reports with lots
 of required detailed information. The Beta Manager, Product Manager,
 and Engineers all have seen these reports or will see them very soon.

 Thanks,

 Kevin

 On 12/14/11, Jessica  wrote:
> I had the same problem on my pc, even with scripts installed, so you're
> not
> the only one.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Missy Hoppe" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:30 AM
> Subject: RE: Skype Accessibility
>
>
>> Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on
>> this,
>> but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For
>> example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this html thing. It
>> seems that it used to open on a list of my contacts,
>> and that said list didn't have those annoying favorites checkboxes. I
>> think the layout should be more customizeable,
>> especially at start-up. Or maybe I'm just missing something? Also,
>> finding
>>
>> missed events, especially contact requests, needs
>> to be a bit more intuitive, but there again, it could just be my lack
>> of
>> experience. I never use skype at all on my PC; if I
>> bother with it at all, it's only on the mac. I'm sorry if the things
>> I'm
>> requesting are already possible and I'm just too
>> inexperienced to  figure them out, but off the top of my head, those
>> are
>> the suggestions I have.
>> Missy
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:01 AM
>> To: macvisionaries
>> Subject: Skype Accessibility
>>
>> I'm in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients,
>> especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I
>> would like to know what it is you, the user like to see as new
>> functionality for VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon
>> when it comes to Mac OS X VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype
>> client.
>>

Re: adding instruments in GarageBand

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

I didn't say I used it.  I just said you might want to look into it.

Ricardo Walker
rwalker...@gmail.com
Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
www.mobileaccess.org

On Dec 15, 2011, at 2:49 AM, Kevin Gibbs wrote:

> Native Instruments are completely inaccessible.  What version of Logic
> Pro do you have.  Since it doesn't work with VO, how do you use it?
> 
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Wireless keyboard

[Rahul Bajaj]

Hi all,

I've recently purchased an Apple wireless keyboard for my iPod Touch.
So, I would be extremely grateful if any of you would be able to share a few 
tips that would help me in using the keyboard.
Which key combinations do you find most useful?
How can I use Safari with the help of my keyboard?

Your help would be really appreciated.

Cheers,
Rahul 

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Re: Daisy Reader under Lion

[Becky Knaub]

Learning Ally's is called the RFB&D reader. There is a version that reads all 
daisy files such as bookshare but it costs more and I think you have to be a 
member. HTH


Becky and C
On Dec 15, 2011, at 3:11 AM, Greg Aikens wrote:

> Learning Ally has a program that reads their books and I think there is a 
> version you can buy that lets you read any daisy materials.  Sorry I don't 
> remember the name right now.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Greg
> On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:31 AM, Kevin Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> Guys,
>> I promise I have looked in the archives but can't find the answer.
>> Does anyone have a recommendation for a DAISY reader under Lion?
>> There's nothing in the App Store and I haven't found anything in the
>> archives here or on the web.  I'd appreciate any help as i have a
>> large text book on music notation that I wish to search for specific
>> information.  These folks were kind enough to read the book in DAISY
>> format and it would be great to take advantage of that.
>> Best,
>> Kevin
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Re: Skype Accessibility

[Mr. L. Alexander]

I very much agree.

fixing accessibility issues in an app requires more than just 1 simple fix, as 
soon as you change 1 component in an app, the domino affect occurs. that change 
affects the way another component, whether it be a script, function, library 
object, etc to behave differently, thus meaning that each part has to be edited 
several times to solve. So, yes it's going to take a few version updates to 
resolve. lets's not forget who owns skype now though... MICROSOFT! so that 
explains one thing.

Even though we're a small group (thanks for highlighting my comment) we still 
have rights of equality and access. it's just a question of working in 
partnership with developers, even if it means becoming beta testers officially 
and having direct input.

lew

On 15 Dec 2011, at 10:27, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

> I was going to keep my big politically incorrect mouth shut in this thread, 
> but i can't help saying this: Do *not* expect the bugs we report will be 
> fixed 10 minutes ago, because they won't. Maybe it'll take several updates if 
> at all. Someone said a good thing in another thread a while back, namely that 
> we are such a tiny little group that we are not in any way prioritized. I 
> don't say this to discourage anyone, just telling as it is. I know how 
> frustrating it can be to wait for bugs to be fixed and issues to be looked 
> at, but have patience, that's all i can say. Only my 2 cents worth in this 
> matter, now flame me however much you like.
> /Krister
> 
> 14 dec 2011 kl. 23:35 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu:
> 
>> Kevin,
>> 
>> I'd like to know, if all our reports are going to turn into something 
>> positive?  I just do not want to see that we provide the reports and when a 
>> new version of Skype comes out things remain the same.  We have have had 
>> lots of updates to Skype and we have never seen things fixed.  I am not 
>> trying to be negative but rather I'd like to see the positives.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:03, Kevin Chao wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks everyone! I've taken all the feedback that's been shared via
>>> this thread, especially as it relates to VoiceOver accessibility and
>>> Skype of what's not working at all, what can work better, or what
>>> people would like to see. I've taken all of this and provided all this
>>> feedback as individual bug reports into the bug tracking system. Each
>>> specific issue/suggestion/request are individual bug reports with lots
>>> of required detailed information. The Beta Manager, Product Manager,
>>> and Engineers all have seen these reports or will see them very soon.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Kevin
>>> 
>>> On 12/14/11, Jessica  wrote:
 I had the same problem on my pc, even with scripts installed, so you're not
 the only one.
 - Original Message -
 From: "Missy Hoppe" 
 To: 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:30 AM
 Subject: RE: Skype Accessibility
 
 
> Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on this,
> but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For
> example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this html thing. It
> seems that it used to open on a list of my contacts,
> and that said list didn't have those annoying favorites checkboxes. I
> think the layout should be more customizeable,
> especially at start-up. Or maybe I'm just missing something? Also, finding
> 
> missed events, especially contact requests, needs
> to be a bit more intuitive, but there again, it could just be my lack of
> experience. I never use skype at all on my PC; if I
> bother with it at all, it's only on the mac. I'm sorry if the things I'm
> requesting are already possible and I'm just too
> inexperienced to  figure them out, but off the top of my head, those are
> the suggestions I have.
> Missy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:01 AM
> To: macvisionaries
> Subject: Skype Accessibility
> 
> I'm in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients,
> especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I
> would like to know what it is you, the user like to see as new
> functionality for VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon
> when it comes to Mac OS X VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client.
> 
> Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion's/issues
> that you are able to share, it will provide a better
> Skype user experience, making it more accessible and usable for all of us.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Kevin
> 
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Re: Skype Accessibility

[Krister Ekstrom]

I was going to keep my big politically incorrect mouth shut in this thread, but 
i can't help saying this: Do *not* expect the bugs we report will be fixed 10 
minutes ago, because they won't. Maybe it'll take several updates if at all. 
Someone said a good thing in another thread a while back, namely that we are 
such a tiny little group that we are not in any way prioritized. I don't say 
this to discourage anyone, just telling as it is. I know how frustrating it can 
be to wait for bugs to be fixed and issues to be looked at, but have patience, 
that's all i can say. Only my 2 cents worth in this matter, now flame me 
however much you like.
/Krister

14 dec 2011 kl. 23:35 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu:

> Kevin,
> 
> I'd like to know, if all our reports are going to turn into something 
> positive?  I just do not want to see that we provide the reports and when a 
> new version of Skype comes out things remain the same.  We have have had lots 
> of updates to Skype and we have never seen things fixed.  I am not trying to 
> be negative but rather I'd like to see the positives.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:03, Kevin Chao wrote:
> 
>> Thanks everyone! I've taken all the feedback that's been shared via
>> this thread, especially as it relates to VoiceOver accessibility and
>> Skype of what's not working at all, what can work better, or what
>> people would like to see. I've taken all of this and provided all this
>> feedback as individual bug reports into the bug tracking system. Each
>> specific issue/suggestion/request are individual bug reports with lots
>> of required detailed information. The Beta Manager, Product Manager,
>> and Engineers all have seen these reports or will see them very soon.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Kevin
>> 
>> On 12/14/11, Jessica  wrote:
>>> I had the same problem on my pc, even with scripts installed, so you're not
>>> the only one.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Missy Hoppe" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:30 AM
>>> Subject: RE: Skype Accessibility
>>> 
>>> 
 Hi! I'm probably not enough of a skype user to really chime in on this,
 but I just find the whole layout very confusing. For
 example, when I open skype now, it always goes to this html thing. It
 seems that it used to open on a list of my contacts,
 and that said list didn't have those annoying favorites checkboxes. I
 think the layout should be more customizeable,
 especially at start-up. Or maybe I'm just missing something? Also, finding
 
 missed events, especially contact requests, needs
 to be a bit more intuitive, but there again, it could just be my lack of
 experience. I never use skype at all on my PC; if I
 bother with it at all, it's only on the mac. I'm sorry if the things I'm
 requesting are already possible and I'm just too
 inexperienced to  figure them out, but off the top of my head, those are
 the suggestions I have.
 Missy
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
 Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:01 AM
 To: macvisionaries
 Subject: Skype Accessibility
 
 I'm in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients,
 especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I
 would like to know what it is you, the user like to see as new
 functionality for VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon
 when it comes to Mac OS X VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client.
 
 Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion's/issues
 that you are able to share, it will provide a better
 Skype user experience, making it more accessible and usable for all of us.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Kevin
 
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Re: adding instruments in GarageBand

[Mr. L. Alexander]

all versions of logic pro are inaccessible.

for logic to become accessible requires a hefty rewrite. the only way to use 
logic as a tape machine is to invest in a digital console with automation 
control from the console front end something like an SSL or tascam DM series, 
etc with the expansion upgrades.

even then, voiceover isn't a help at all.

your only pro audio interface is pro tools 9 and above.

lew

On 15 Dec 2011, at 07:49, Kevin Gibbs wrote:

> Native Instruments are completely inaccessible.  What version of Logic
> Pro do you have.  Since it doesn't work with VO, how do you use it?
> 
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Re: Daisy Reader under Lion

[Dean Adams]

Hi Kevin,
Olearia written by the association for the blind in western 
australia for the mac here is a sendspace link for it.


http://www.sendspace.com/file/r24p69

And here is the url where you can download it if the sendspace link goes.

http://www.cucat.org/projects/olearia/


Olearia is a free open source Macintosh based DAISY playback software 
under development at Curtin University Centre for Accessible 
Technology. When completed Olearia will offer the following features:


   * Playback of DAISY 2.02, DIAYS/NISO 2002 and DAISY/NISO 2005 books.
   * Playback of text only DAISY digital talking books. (Bookshare and NIAMS)
   * Support for skippable content. (Notes and sidebars)
   * Support for MacOS X features such as VoiceOver, braille 
displays and Spotlight.



At 05:52 PM 15/12/2011, you wrote:

I neglected to mention that the book was done by Minnesota State
Services for the Blind.  It is not a Bookshare book.  but it has four
levels of Daisyness, so I'm hoping there's a Lion friendly Daisy
reader i can use on my Mac Mini.  I guess I could use one of the apps
that I see for my iPhone but I'd really prefer to use my Mac.  Hope
I'm making sense.

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Re: Daisy Reader under Lion

[Greg Aikens]

Learning Ally has a program that reads their books and I think there is a 
version you can buy that lets you read any daisy materials.  Sorry I don't 
remember the name right now.

Hope this helps.

Greg
On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:31 AM, Kevin Gibbs wrote:

> Guys,
> I promise I have looked in the archives but can't find the answer.
> Does anyone have a recommendation for a DAISY reader under Lion?
> There's nothing in the App Store and I haven't found anything in the
> archives here or on the web.  I'd appreciate any help as i have a
> large text book on music notation that I wish to search for specific
> information.  These folks were kind enough to read the book in DAISY
> format and it would be great to take advantage of that.
> Best,
> Kevin
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