Text Edit question

[Linda]

I researched but can't find the answer.  In text Edit, what is the keyboard 
shortcut to creat a New Page?  In Page it is command-entr but that doesn't 
seem to work in Text edit.  Many thanks.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you 
can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Question on Pages application

[Linda Adams]

I am using Maverick on my MacBook with, I think, the most current
version of Pages.  In the past, I had no problem using VO-F to search
for text in a document. It seems to work only on the current page, not
the entire document.  Nor can I find a way to easily move from page to
page or to get the search command to work in the whole document.  I also
tried using command-F but, once again, couldn't figure out how to get to
the text itself.
 
Any words of wisdom would be appreciated.  BTW, it works just fine in
the Text Edit application.
 
Linda
 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: Password protected documents

[Linda]

Thanks Chris for your response.  I want to prevent other from being able to 
open the files or folder but allow me to edit or modify the file/document 
if needed.  The ones I've created require a password to open but won't let 
me edi.  Help is appreciated. the  
On Sunday, April 21, 2013 6:29:08 PM UTC-4, Linda wrote: 
>
>  Hello,
>
>  
>
> I am stumped and need some help.  I am using Lion on a Macbook and am 
> working with text edit.  I have tried to create a disc image of an 
> individual  document so it would be password protected but have not been 
> successful.  I have been able to create a folder disc image that is 
> password protected in which I have put files.  It won’t, however,  let me 
> edit the documents inside the disc image folder.  I’ve repeated the 
> process, checking each step but can’t find where I’m going wrong.  I’ve 
> been told it can be done with Pages, but can I edit if I’m using text edit 
> and creating the disc image with the disc utility?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Linda
>
>  
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

Password protected documents

[Linda Adams]

Hello,

 

I am stumped and need some help.  I am using Lion on a Macbook and am
working with text edit.  I have tried to create a disc image of an
individual  document so it would be password protected but have not been
successful.  I have been able to create a folder disc image that is
password protected in which I have put files.  It won't, however,  let
me edit the documents inside the disc image folder.  I've repeated the
process, checking each step but can't find where I'm going wrong.  I've
been told it can be done with Pages, but can I edit if I'm using text
edit and creating the disc image with the disc utility?

Thanks in advance,

Linda

 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

Re: Flash update!

[Linda Adams]

Thanks Tim and Dan and everyone else on this list who share your wisdom so 
willingly!

Linda

On Jun 12, 2012, at 4:40 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:

> Hi Linda, regarding the Flash Player volume what you need to do is navigate 
> to it and when you are on it issue the following command. 
> Command E this will eject the volume before doing this though, make sure you 
> haven't got any of the flash installer open other wise it won't work. Just 
> make you do that then delete it from your downloads folder and that should be 
> it. You are all ready to go! 
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Daniel  
> On 12 Jun 2012, at 21:09, Linda Adams wrote:
> 
>> Thanks much Tim,
>> 
>> It is now installed and my E-card selections are playing music again.  One 
>> more basic question.
>> I had copied the dmg file to my desk top and assume I can now delete that 
>> from the desk top as well as the dmg file in my download folder.
>> The other file on my desk top is  Flash Player Volume.  Can I copy this to 
>> the application folder then delete it off the desk top?
>> 
>> Linda
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:35 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Flash update!
>> 
>> hi,
>> 
>> That file is the Installer package and thus should not be placed in the 
>> Applications folder.  You can either run it from the dmg or copy and paste 
>> it to your Desktop and run it from there.  Once you open it, Adobe is less 
>> than perfect with respect to accessibility so there are some tricks that 
>> you'll need to use.  Instead of using VO navigation, use your tab key and 
>> the spacebar.  That is, tab through the dialog and VO will read the button 
>> or element that is focused, then just press the spacebar to activate the 
>> button or checkbox.  Once everything has been installed, there will be a 
>> Done button that you can press and all is good.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On 2012-06-12, at 1:19 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm on the other end of this stick.  I recently upgraded to Lion and found 
>>> I needed to install a new Adobe Flash player.
>>> 
>>> Never having done this before, I found some instructions in the archives 
>>> and followed them.
>>> 1. downloaded the file
>>> 2. In my download folder, I opened the dmg file and there was a single .app 
>>> file inside
>>> 3. I copied that file into my application folder
>>> 4. I deleted the volume on my desk top
>>> 
>>> Now in my app folder is the file
>>> InstallAdobeFlashPlayer.app 
>>> 
>>> I couldn't find anything that said I needed to do more.  I never saw an 
>>> installer screen etc.
>>> What else is needed?
>>> 
>>> Linda
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 10:26 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Can't get out of Flash update!
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Just use your spacebar.  That is, in the Flash installer, you can tab 
>>> around then when you wish to activate your button or checkbox, just hit the 
>>> spacebar.  Notice, no VO keys at all, just the tab key and the spacebar.
>>> 
>>> That should do it for you.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On 2012-06-09, at 6:07 PM, Veronica Elsea wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Okay, can somebody please rescue me from Adobe flash update. I thought I 
>>>> was being so smart by not letting Adobe update automatically. But every 
>>>> time I go to YouTube, there's another stupid Flash update. Sheesh!
>>>> Anyway, it's clear that there are some images that need clicking or 
>>>> something. I got so frustrated looking for the install that when my 
>>>> sighted husband walked by, I just let him click it.  But now it 
>>>> says it's done. I can tab through radio button, let adobe update for me, 
>>>> learn more and then to a done button. But I can't seem to click on the 
>>>> done button. First I tried VO-space, then enter. Th

RE: Flash update!

[Linda Adams]

Thanks much Tim,
 
It is now installed and my E-card selections are playing music again.
One more basic question.
I had copied the dmg file to my desk top and assume I can now delete
that from the desk top as well as the dmg file in my download folder.
The other file on my desk top is  Flash Player Volume.  Can I copy this
to the application folder then delete it off the desk top?
 
Linda
 
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:35 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Flash update!


hi, 

That file is the Installer package and thus should not be placed in the
Applications folder.  You can either run it from the dmg or copy and
paste it to your Desktop and run it from there.  Once you open it, Adobe
is less than perfect with respect to accessibility so there are some
tricks that you'll need to use.  Instead of using VO navigation, use
your tab key and the spacebar.  That is, tab through the dialog and VO
will read the button or element that is focused, then just press the
spacebar to activate the button or checkbox.  Once everything has been
installed, there will be a Done button that you can press and all is
good.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2012-06-12, at 1:19 PM, Linda Adams wrote:


I'm on the other end of this stick.  I recently upgraded to Lion and
found I needed to install a new Adobe Flash player.
 
Never having done this before, I found some instructions in the archives
and followed them.
1. downloaded the file
2. In my download folder, I opened the dmg file and there was a single
.app file inside
3. I copied that file into my application folder
4. I deleted the volume on my desk top
 
Now in my app folder is the file
InstallAdobeFlashPlayer.app 
 
 I couldn't find anything that said I needed to do more.  I never saw an
installer screen etc.
What else is needed?
 
Linda
 
 -Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 10:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't get out of Flash update!


Hi, 


Just use your spacebar.  That is, in the Flash installer, you can tab
around then when you wish to activate your button or checkbox, just hit
the spacebar.  Notice, no VO keys at all, just the tab key and the
spacebar.

That should do it for you.

HTH.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2012-06-09, at 6:07 PM, Veronica Elsea wrote:


Okay, can somebody please rescue me from Adobe flash update. I thought I
was being so smart by not letting Adobe update automatically. But every
time I go to YouTube, there's another stupid Flash update. Sheesh!
Anyway, it's clear that there are some images that need clicking or
something. I got so frustrated looking for the install that when my
sighted husband walked by, I just let him click it.  But now it
says it's done. I can tab through radio button, let adobe update for me,
learn more and then to a done button. But I can't seem to click on the
done button. First I tried VO-space, then enter. Then I thought I
remembered from an earlier discussion about mouse keys so I then tried
VO-command-4 to route the mouse cursor. Then I tried shift-VO-space to
click the mouse. It made a nice clicking sound, but didn't work. I think
it just landed on "image" rather than a done button. I'm a little ahead
of myself here in terms of learning mouse keys and the like. But boy,
I'd sure like to dump this installer. Help! 
Thanks a huge bunch to any and all of you who can sort me out. No
cheating now. My hubby is at the hardware store. Hahahaha! Thanks.

Veronica
Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI
Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever!
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com <http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com/> 
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
831-429-6407

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.





-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database:

Flash update!

[Linda Adams]

I'm on the other end of this stick.  I recently upgraded to Lion and
found I needed to install a new Adobe Flash player.
 
Never having done this before, I found some instructions in the archives
and followed them.
1. downloaded the file
2. In my download folder, I opened the dmg file and there was a single
.app file inside
3. I copied that file into my application folder
4. I deleted the volume on my desk top
 
Now in my app folder is the file
InstallAdobeFlashPlayer.app 
 
 I couldn't find anything that said I needed to do more.  I never saw an
installer screen etc.
What else is needed?
 
Linda
 
 -Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 10:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't get out of Flash update!


Hi, 


Just use your spacebar.  That is, in the Flash installer, you can tab
around then when you wish to activate your button or checkbox, just hit
the spacebar.  Notice, no VO keys at all, just the tab key and the
spacebar.

That should do it for you.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2012-06-09, at 6:07 PM, Veronica Elsea wrote:


Okay, can somebody please rescue me from Adobe flash update. I thought I
was being so smart by not letting Adobe update automatically. But every
time I go to YouTube, there's another stupid Flash update. Sheesh!
Anyway, it's clear that there are some images that need clicking or
something. I got so frustrated looking for the install that when my
sighted husband walked by, I just let him click it.  But now it
says it's done. I can tab through radio button, let adobe update for me,
learn more and then to a done button. But I can't seem to click on the
done button. First I tried VO-space, then enter. Then I thought I
remembered from an earlier discussion about mouse keys so I then tried
VO-command-4 to route the mouse cursor. Then I tried shift-VO-space to
click the mouse. It made a nice clicking sound, but didn't work. I think
it just landed on "image" rather than a done button. I'm a little ahead
of myself here in terms of learning mouse keys and the like. But boy,
I'd sure like to dump this installer. Help! 
Thanks a huge bunch to any and all of you who can sort me out. No
cheating now. My hubby is at the hardware store. Hahahaha! Thanks.

Veronica
Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI
Then learn about Music CDs that will impact and entertain you forever!
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
831-429-6407

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.




-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/5055 - Release Date: 06/08/12
18:54:00


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Mail Questions

[Linda Adams]

Hello,

I tried checking the archives for my questions but the Google Group page looks 
a lot different and I couldn't figure out how to conduct a topic search.

I finally upgraded to Lion last week so am learning my way around the new 
stuff.  In Mail I had a folder set up for my Macvisionaries messages with a 
rule that sent them directly to the folder.  Well, I can't locate the folder.  
I hear the tone announcing new mail and feel certain that's what is  coming in.



In the side bar under the first level of Gmail it shows the second level Gmail 
as collapsed.  I've tried the old method using Option and right arrow to open 
it but that doesn't do it.  I've tried all other key combinations but nothing 
works.  I've checked menus etc. with no luck.  I check the favorites but it 
wasn't there either.

Assuming the folder is hiding somehow somewhere, how can I get to it?

Also, is there a link to a discussion of the Lion changes that affect Voiceover?

Thanks in advance,
Linda

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

New Mac-mini and old printer

[Linda Adams]

Hello everyone,
 
I'm getting a new Mac-mini and wanted to know if I can use an old
printer that had been connected to my PC.  It is a 

Canon Image Class MF4100 Series 

 

I found a Canon support page on the web with the drivers I would need
but the install CD's that came with the printer are for Windows.

 

I am just confused enough over peripheral equipment that I don't have a
clue if I can use this printer or not.

 

Recommendations would be appreciated and thanks in advance.

 

Linda

 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Mac Mail Question

[Linda Adams]

Hello again,

Well, I kept researching and found another solution to my question.  I just 
found that command option N will open a new mail window in which I can then 
open another mailbox.  Then I can easily switch between the windows to check my 
inbox and my other mailbox.

This works, but if anyone knows how I can change command 2 to do the trick, I'm 
still interested.

Linda

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Mac Mail Question

[Linda Adams]

> Hello everyone,
>  
> I always use command 1 when I want to get back to my inbox from another 
> mailbox.  I researched and found an article about setting up similar keyboard 
> commands for other favorite mailboxes but it seems to conflict with what I 
> find on my Macbook laptop.
> It tells me to make sure my favorites  bar is visible and I can select "show 
> favorites" under the View menu.  Well, there's nothing like that under my 
> View menu.  I looked around and didn't see it elsewhere.
>  
> It also said I could use Command 1, command 2 etc for my first, second, etc 
> favorite mailboxes
> In the mailbox menu > Go To menu these are already assigned to inbox,  Outbox 
> etc.
>  
> So, am I missing something, is this article outdated, and is there another 
> way I can assign a keyboard shortcut to another mailbox?
>  
> Thanks,
> Linda
>  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: unable to send mail

[Linda Adams]

Alex,
 
I had the exact same problem you have described.  I never figured out how or 
why it happened but, with the help of Jon Cohn from this list, I got it fixed.
First, he asked me to see what I found under “Connections Doctor”
Go to the Mail menu with VO M, then down arrow  to the Connections Doctor under 
the Window tab
In my case it showed the following information.  Of course, yours may differ.
Mail is able to connect to the internet
Network diagnostics dimmed
Table with 4 rows:
1. Status; account name Gmail; Details Connection and log-in to server 
succeeded  
2. Status; Account name SMTP.gmail.com: Linda Adams;  details Trying to log-in 
to this SMTP account failed. Verify that the user name and password are correct
3. Status; Account name SMTP.gmail.com:lladams...@gmail.com; Details connection 
and log-in to server succeeded
4. Status; Account name SMTP.gmail.com; Details Trying to log-in to this SMTP 
account failed.  Verify that the user name and password are correct.
 
Here was Jon’s response.
 
1. You have 1 e-mail reading account setup.
2. You have 3 e-mail sending accounts setup and only one is correctly working. 
(#3 in your list).
I was mistaken about where the configuration for the outgoing mail server is 
located.
Here are the steps you need to follow to remove the extra accounts. I suggest 
you read over the entire dialog box about the "null" account before attempting 
this, it might be that there are one or more outgoing messages that are trying 
to get sent but are stuck.  If this is the case, then the dialog should give 
you the option to change the SMTP server that the messages are being sent from.
1. Open your mail preferences (command-comma).
2,. Select the accounts tab if it is not selected.
3. Find the pop-up button just to the right of "Outgoing Mail Server (SMTP):"
4. At the bottom of the list in this pop-up button is "Edit SMTP Server List …"
  Select this and a new window should open.
5. Select the SMTP accounts that don't belong, and click the "minus" button to 
remove the account.
 
Once I followed his instructions, the Null account password dialog did not 
occur again.
Thanks again to Jon and all the others on this list who have solved our many 
problems.  
 
Linda
 
 
 
On Aug 19, 2011, at 6:05 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

> Hi all,
> Using a gmail account with outgoing mail set to smtp.gmail.com, I cannot send 
> mail.  When I try, it asks for the password for user "null".  It sounds like, 
> somehow, my username is not set for outgoing mail, yet I can receive just 
> fine.  Does anyone have any idea how to fix this?
> 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from BrailleNote
> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Safari 5.1

[Linda Adams]

Shen and Others,

I'm still having problems with Safari 5.1 and Earthlink Web Mail.  My problems 
are a little different from the one you describe with HotMail but I'm thinking 
Safari 5.1 is the culprit.  Could someone tell me how to return to the former 
Safari version.  I'm not too computer literate so details would be much 
appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Linda

On Aug 11, 2011, at 2:25 PM, Shen wrote:

> Hello,
> Is anyone using the latest Safari 5.1 with the hotmail website? If so,
> do you have any trouble such as Safari going busy for a long time?
> I don't remember having this problem with Snow Leopard and Safari 5.06.
> Now, it seems that after logging in hotmail, Safari is giving me a lot
> of busy signals.
> And here's the clincher. Open an email, and click on an attachment to
> download. Safari will go into endless busy. There's no way out of it
> unless you force quit the application.
> Any suggestions on these issues would be appreciated.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Shen
> goalb...@gmail.com
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Earthlink Web Mail

[Linda Adams]

Hi,

I've run into something that has changed and I can't figure out why.  I am 
using Quick Nav with Snow  Leopard, so Lion is not involved.  I believe a 
Safari update was included the last time I did a software update but no other 
changes have been made.

I wanted to see if there is an Earthlink user on this list and see if Web Mail 
is doing the same on their Mac.  

As of a couple of weeks ago, on the Earthlink Web Mail page, I had no problem 
accessing the messages in my inbox.  They may have been arranged in a  table 
visually, but VO read each one as if the row data was stacked on top of each 
other.  

I hadn't looked at it again until this past Friday and now I can't seem to 
access the inbox messages.  It seems like they are in a table format and I've 
used VO right arrow but it won't take me to the column with the sender etc 
data.  I knew of one message that should be there and the find feature, VO F 
took me to the subject of that message, but pressing the up/down arrows 
simultaneously did not open the message as it had in the past.   I'm getting 
very frustrated.

Any Earthlink users with some advice for me?

Thanks in advance,
Linda

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Help needed on completing a survey on Safari

[Linda Adams]

Hi,

I am trying to complete a survey and can't get past the first question.  It 
does not have check boxes so I assume that I need to click on the appropriate 
choice. I have a laptop with a trackpad  and I'm still using Snow Leopard.  

In all attempts I first verified that the mouse was on the proper location 
using VO command F5 and VO F5 to confirm it.

I've tried the following:
 FN 1
VO shift space  (single and double tap on the space bar)
Control and trackpad
Option and return

I heard a click sound when I pressed VO shift space and thought I was okay but 
when I pressed the link to go to the next question, it didn't move.

I'd appreciate it if someone would take a look at the survey and see what I'm 
missing.

Here is the link to the survey
http://www.zoomerang.com/Survey/WEB22C7JWHH2TD

The survey is from Army of Women, a nonprofit organization that conducts   
breast cancer research.  If anyone is interested in learning about it, here is 
the link to their home page.

http://www.armyofwomen.org/

Thanks in advance,
Linda



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: time and hot keys?

[Linda Adams]

Colin,


I have used this to set a keyboard command in the past for toggling between Dom 
and Group mode.  Today, after reading your message, I attempted to set one up 
to "open Skype".  Once  I got to the keyboard commander, tabbed to the add 
button and located Skype on the table of applications, I'm missing the final 
step.  I tried VO space, in tabbing to see if there was a button but could find 
nothing to get it.  I thought maybe it would be automatically added if I just 
closed the window.  When I do that and go back into the keyboard list it shows 
the letter I chose but does not show open application Skype next to it.
Your help would be appreciated.
Linda
On Jun 10, 2011, at 6:37 AM, Colin M wrote:

> Hi Kliphton!
> OK To get the time working!
> Open vo utility [vo+f8 you should be in the general settings!
> Scroll to the [allow vo to be controlled by apple scripts] and check it!
> Next press command+8 that will take you to the commanders settings!
> Select the keyboard tab and next to that enable keyboard commander check box 
> and do so!
> After that you will have the option to choose either the left or right 
> options key!
> It should be set on the right one!
> Next to that is the table of shortcuts there should be some in there already, 
> one of which is the say time one!
> Of course this is where you'll put your own [when you make them]
> So if you want Skype on a key select add button you'll get a box to put the 
> letter you wish for Skype [ safari already has the S]
> Put in your letter of choice then go to the menu of commands button and open 
> it, you'll have all of the vo commands and others for you to scroll through!
> But at the bottom is custom commands open that and select applications then 
> you can find Skype and select it!
> So to open Skype from then on just press the option key and the main key you 
> chose for Skype!
> Just one more thing someone once asked if you could choose which option key 
> for each shortcut!
> Answer no, its either one or the other for all!
> As for your Itunes Question.
> Do you mean from CD's!
> hth
> On 10 Jun 2011, at 03:56, Kliph&Sharrie wrote:
> 
>> So I read a post the other day, saying you could enable vo to read you the 
>> time by hitting command T, but can't remember how to enable it.  Also, is 
>> there a way to assign hot keys so you don't always have to go in to the doc? 
>>  Lastly, what is the trick to importing the music in to itunes, I have been 
>> in and out of itunes, and can't figure that one out.  Thanks.
>> Kliphton SR
>> (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72
>> (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com
>> (Google Voice) 657-229-2105
>> Sent from my IMac
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Protected documents

[Linda Adams]

Hi Mac friends,

It's been a while since I've needed help but here it is.  I created an 
incripted dmg  folder and put a file in it.  I have 2 questions.  I can't edit 
the first file   I put in the folder.  I am told it is a read only file.  Can I 
change this without setting up a new folder? I also tried copy and paste to add 
a second file and it keeps beeping back at me.  Is there a special way to add a 
file to the folder?

Thanks very much,
Linda

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Mail on my Mac

[Linda Adams]

Hello folks,

I've been off the list for a while, having no problems until yesterday.

I was attempting to send a message, had the recipients's email address wrong 
and at some point it said it couldn't send from my server and asked if I wanted 
to try another server (or that is the best I can recall of the message) and 
silly me said yes.  I finally took care of that message but I caused a problem 
with my mail boxes.

Prior to this, I had a rule set up so messages from this list went to a 
Macvisionaries mailbox.  All other messages went into my Gmail level 1 folder 
which I keep collapsed.  
Since my mistake, the Gmail level 1 folder stays empty.  I can expand it and 
they show up in the All mail folder just fine but are mixed in with the 
Macvisionaries messages which I don't want to go through twice.

I want all other messages  to go to the Gmail level 1 collapsed folder.

What can I do to fix my mistake?

Thanks very, very much,
Linda

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: Today's Safari update says it includes "Improved stability when using VoiceOver with Safari."

[Linda Adams]

Hi folks,

I hadn't installed the OS 10.6.5 yet because I saw some postings about VO 
issues.  I'm hoping that the Safari update has solved those.  My question is 
whether I should install the OS first and then install the Safari update.  If I 
do them both at the same time, should it matter?

Thanks for your input,
Linda

On Nov 18, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:

> FYI  - Today Apple released version 5.0.3 of Safari. The last bullet in the 
> list of "improvements" is "Improved stability when using VoiceOver with 
> Safari."
> In the US the download is available via the standard software update 
> procedure: Apple Menu / Software Update.
> The install required a restart of my mid 2010 Mac Mini running 10.6.5 in 
> order to complete.
> 
> HTH,
> Bryan
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: Apple Mail and Google

[Linda Adams]

Darcy,
I forgot to add my thanks for the article you mentioned about Gmail.
Linda
  
On Nov 9, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Darcy Burnard wrote:

> Linda, are you using pop or imap with gmail?  If you're using imap, you can 
> have gmail just not show you the all mail folder.  I can't remember the name 
> of it, but there is a google labs feature you enable that gives you more 
> control over what mailboxes are shown with imap.  This is what I did, and I 
> don't see the all mail folder.
> There's a great article from tidbits on how best to set up gmail with mac 
> mail.
> Here is the url.
> http://db.tidbits.com/article/10253
> HTH.
> Darcy
> 
> On 2010-11-09, at 11:52 AM, David Hole wrote:
> 
>> Hi Linda.
>> I'll just add that the reason for this "All Mail"-folder is that this folder 
>> is where all mails ends when you click Archive when using the web-interface 
>> in gmail.
>> I don't know how much you know about how gmail handles mail, but in short, 
>> the folders is known as labels. When a mail is found only in "All Mail", it 
>> means that it has no labels. Inbox for example, is a label, like the one you 
>> have called Macvisionaries when using Google terminology.
>> -David
>> Den 09.11.2010 17:21, skrev Linda Adams:
>>> Carolyn,
>>> 
>>> Now why didn't I think of that.  I've used command A for other purposes.  
>>> The folder is now empty.  Thanks again.
>>> 
>>> Linda
>>> 
>>> On Nov 9, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Carolyn wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Linda:
>>>> Find that all-mail mailbox.  Go over to messages.  Interact with messages, 
>>>> go to subject.  Do command A to select all, and press delete.  VO should 
>>>> then say, "no rows selected."
>>>> HTH
>>>> Carolyn
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: Linda Adams
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 8:38 AM
>>>> Subject: Apple Mail and Google
>>>> 
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> Today I noticed my top  level Gmail  mailbox was collapsed.  When I 
>>>> expanded it I found over 6,000 messages in my "All Mail" folder.  Of 
>>>> course, the very same messages had already been in my Inbox or my 
>>>> Macvisionaries mail box and had already been read and deleted.
>>>> 
>>>> Is there a way to delete all of them in one fell swoop.  When I switched 
>>>> to thread mode, there are still over 1,000.  I checked the menus and 
>>>> elsewhere but found nothing to empty a specific mailbox?
>>>> 
>>>>  Also, is it possible to just prevent messages going to 2 mailboxes at the 
>>>> same time or  delete this "All Mail" mailbox or is that not advisable?
>>>> 
>>>> As always, thanks for your information and advice.
>>>> 
>>>> Linda
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email 
>>>> tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>>> For more options, visit this group at 
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email 
>>>> tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>>> For more options, visit this group at 
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: Apple Mail and Google

[Linda Adams]

Darcy,
I am using Imap and actually had the All Mail hidden previously.  I can hide it 
again, I just wondered why it exists. Everything in the All Mail folder is also 
in my Inbox or other mailboxes I have set up, right?

Thanks for the information,
Linda

On Nov 9, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Darcy Burnard wrote:

> Linda, are you using pop or imap with gmail?  If you're using imap, you can 
> have gmail just not show you the all mail folder.  I can't remember the name 
> of it, but there is a google labs feature you enable that gives you more 
> control over what mailboxes are shown with imap.  This is what I did, and I 
> don't see the all mail folder.
> There's a great article from tidbits on how best to set up gmail with mac 
> mail.
> Here is the url.
> http://db.tidbits.com/article/10253
> HTH.
> Darcy
> 
> On 2010-11-09, at 11:52 AM, David Hole wrote:
> 
>> Hi Linda.
>> I'll just add that the reason for this "All Mail"-folder is that this folder 
>> is where all mails ends when you click Archive when using the web-interface 
>> in gmail.
>> I don't know how much you know about how gmail handles mail, but in short, 
>> the folders is known as labels. When a mail is found only in "All Mail", it 
>> means that it has no labels. Inbox for example, is a label, like the one you 
>> have called Macvisionaries when using Google terminology.
>> -David
>> Den 09.11.2010 17:21, skrev Linda Adams:
>>> Carolyn,
>>> 
>>> Now why didn't I think of that.  I've used command A for other purposes.  
>>> The folder is now empty.  Thanks again.
>>> 
>>> Linda
>>> 
>>> On Nov 9, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Carolyn wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Linda:
>>>> Find that all-mail mailbox.  Go over to messages.  Interact with messages, 
>>>> go to subject.  Do command A to select all, and press delete.  VO should 
>>>> then say, "no rows selected."
>>>> HTH
>>>> Carolyn
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: Linda Adams
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 8:38 AM
>>>> Subject: Apple Mail and Google
>>>> 
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> Today I noticed my top  level Gmail  mailbox was collapsed.  When I 
>>>> expanded it I found over 6,000 messages in my "All Mail" folder.  Of 
>>>> course, the very same messages had already been in my Inbox or my 
>>>> Macvisionaries mail box and had already been read and deleted.
>>>> 
>>>> Is there a way to delete all of them in one fell swoop.  When I switched 
>>>> to thread mode, there are still over 1,000.  I checked the menus and 
>>>> elsewhere but found nothing to empty a specific mailbox?
>>>> 
>>>>  Also, is it possible to just prevent messages going to 2 mailboxes at the 
>>>> same time or  delete this "All Mail" mailbox or is that not advisable?
>>>> 
>>>> As always, thanks for your information and advice.
>>>> 
>>>> Linda
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email 
>>>> tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>>> For more options, visit this group at 
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email 
>>>> tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>>> For more options, visit this group at 
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: Some Apple Mail Questions using voiceover

[Linda Adams]

Joshua,

Okay, if I set up a new filter directly on Gmail and it automatically sets up a 
corresponding mailbox on Apple Mail, will those messages still go into the All 
Mail mailbox?  Just wondering.

Linda
 
On Nov 9, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Joshua Loya wrote:

> If you're setting up messages for GMail addresses, make your filters in 
> GMail, and the separate mailboxes will be created by default. You don't have 
> to do anything special with Apple Mail, as long as you set up everything 
> correctly with GMail.
> 
> -Joshua
> On Nov 8, 2010, at 5:49 PM, Kerie Doyle wrote:
> 
>> sorry sarah,
>> just one thing i forgot to ask, would i just create a normal mailbox
>> for the rule or would it have to be a smart mailbox?
>> sorry again and thanks
>> Kerie
>> On 11/8/10, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>>> I'm putting your reply below your question.:
>>> 
>>>>> Hi all. I was just wondering, is it possible at all to do something where
>>>>> by I could set up something in apple mail where I could create separate
>>>>> places for messages that come from lists such as this one to go? What I
>>>>> want to have is something where there is a separate mailbox where for
>>>>> example only mail from a certain email address goes, and I can choose to
>>>>> read emails or not, I want this mail only to go to only the mailbox that
>>>>> was created for it, so when I open mail I don't have to wade through a
>>>>> load of mailing list to find a mail from a friend who's writing to say
>>>>> hi. Is it possible to do all this using voice over?
>>>> 
>>>> Would really love to get this set up so any help greatly appreciated
>>>> and thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> Kerie
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>> Hello. go to prefs when a  message is open and go to rules and then go to
>>> add. The reason I suggest that is some of the info is already filled in such
>>> as the too and other fields you might want. Follow the prompts. what I
>>> usually do is this.
>>> 
>>> name of rule: what ever you want.
>>> 
>>> contains
>>> 
>>> subject, or for this list to which is already filled.
>>> 
>>> move to what ever folder you want. create the folder before you create the
>>> rule though.
>>> 
>>> hit ok and if asked apply the rule.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> For more options, visit this group at
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: Apple Mail and Google

[Linda Adams]

Carolyn,

Now why didn't I think of that.  I've used command A for other purposes.  The 
folder is now empty.  Thanks again.

Linda

On Nov 9, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Carolyn wrote:

> Hi Linda:
> Find that all-mail mailbox.  Go over to messages.  Interact with messages, go 
> to subject.  Do command A to select all, and press delete.  VO should then 
> say, "no rows selected."
> HTH
> Carolyn
> - Original Message -
> From: Linda Adams
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 8:38 AM
> Subject: Apple Mail and Google
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Today I noticed my top  level Gmail  mailbox was collapsed.  When I expanded 
> it I found over 6,000 messages in my "All Mail" folder.  Of course, the very 
> same messages had already been in my Inbox or my Macvisionaries mail box and 
> had already been read and deleted. 
> 
> Is there a way to delete all of them in one fell swoop.  When I switched to 
> thread mode, there are still over 1,000.  I checked the menus and elsewhere 
> but found nothing to empty a specific mailbox?  
> 
>   Also, is it possible to just prevent messages going to 2 mailboxes at the 
> same time or  delete this "All Mail" mailbox or is that not advisable?
> 
> As always, thanks for your information and advice.
> 
> Linda
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email 
> tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email 
> tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Apple Mail and Google

[Linda Adams]

Hi everyone,

Today I noticed my top  level Gmail  mailbox was collapsed.  When I expanded it 
I found over 6,000 messages in my "All Mail" folder.  Of course, the very same 
messages had already been in my Inbox or my Macvisionaries mail box and had 
already been read and deleted. 

Is there a way to delete all of them in one fell swoop.  When I switched to 
thread mode, there are still over 1,000.  I checked the menus and elsewhere but 
found nothing to empty a specific mailbox?  

  Also, is it possible to just prevent messages going to 2 mailboxes at the 
same time or  delete this "All Mail" mailbox or is that not advisable?

As always, thanks for your information and advice.

Linda

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Saving file directly to a folder

[Linda Adams]

Hello folks,

Back again with something that sound simple but has me stumped.  In text edit, 
I have no problem going through the dialog that comes up when I want to save a 
new file.  However, I can't figure out how to save a new file to an existing 
folder in my document folder.  Is there a way to save it   to  a sub-folder?

Also, if I have a file on the Desktop and the same file in my document folder, 
can editing changes to the one on the desktop be saved to the duplicate file at 
the same time?  It appears that they can't be  saved to both files at the same 
time.

Last question for now.  In Mail, I began a message and wanted to save it to my 
draft folder while I looked up something.  I tried the tool bar save as draft 
button but it was dimmed.  How do I do this?

Many thanks to all of you who have helped me learn the Mac.
TIA,
Linda

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: Text Edit file name

[Linda Adams]

Mark and Joshua,

Thanks.  What a simple solution.  I had already check the context menu and 
there was nothing there.
Linda

On Oct 27, 2010, at 4:56 PM, Joshua Loya wrote:

> In the Finder, select the file. THen, press enter on it, and you should be in 
> an edit box which contains the name of the file. Alternatively, rename may be 
> one of the options if you bring up a context menu by pressing VO + shift + M.
> Hope that helps,
> Joshua
> On Oct 27, 2010, at 1:49 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> I wanted to change the name of a text edit file.  I used the save as 
>> feature, entered the new name and that worked fine.  I then had two   files, 
>> the new one and  the old file with the old name which I sent to trash.  Is 
>> there a way to simply change the file name without creating a new file?
>> I did a Google search but didn't find anything that seemed to cover this.
>> 
>> Tia 
>> Linda
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Text Edit file name

[Linda Adams]

Hi folks,

I wanted to change the name of a text edit file.  I used the save as feature, 
entered the new name and that worked fine.  I then had two   files, the new one 
and  the old file with the old name which I sent to trash.  Is there a way to 
simply change the file name without creating a new file?
I did a Google search but didn't find anything that seemed to cover this.

Tia 
Linda

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Checking time and date

[Linda Adams]

Nektarios,

Welcome to the list.
Here is another way of checking the time with a 2 finger keyboard command.
Open up Voiceover utility with VO F8.  
Interact, arrow down to commanders, then stop interacting.  
VO right arrow to the keyboard tab, select it with VO spacebar.  
VO right arrow once more and you will reach a check box labeled "enable 
Keyboard commander", check this with VO spacebar.  
Right arrow to the Okay button and press VO space bar.
VO left arrow back to commanders.  
Interact, arrow up to General, then stop interacting.  
VO right arrow until you reach a checked labeled "allow voiceover to be 
controlled by applescripts" and check it with VO space bar.  
Now to check the date and time you press the right option key with the letter T.

On Oct 25, 2010, at 6:16 AM, Nektarios Mallas wrote:

> Hello list. This is Nektarios in Greece. 
> I am very happy to let you all know that I am now part of the family of mac 
> users on this list.
> My experience so far is great. By just following instructions, listening to a 
> few podcasts, reading some help etc, I was able to setup my mac without 
> sighted assistance, go online   , browse,email, download and install Infovox 
> voices and various other tasks. 
> I have of course much to learn yet, and I have some questions as well. 
> 1. On my macbook pro, I need to learn the battery level or if it is charging. 
> Is there a way to do that? 
> 2. Is it possible to read the date and time? Is it somewhere displayed on the 
> screen? Is there a key stroke or other way to accomplish this? 
> 3. I am trying to install skype. I downloaded the dmg file, open it and found 
> the skype application inside. I opened this as well and from what I 
> understand, I was able to install it successfuly. I can't find it anywhere 
> though. It is not in my applications folder or the desktop. If I open the DMG 
> file again and click on skype, I can run skype, but when I enter my username 
> and password, it tells me that it can't connect to the net and to check my 
> network settings. 
> I did not touch anything on the network settings, and I am able to access 
> other net resources such as browse with safari, check email, listen to the 
> radio with itunes etc. 
> I know the username and password are correct, because I can logon with my 
> windows machine. 
> Any help is very much appreciated.
> 
> Nektarios.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: Password protected documents

[Linda Adams]

Sarah,

Okay, I have my folder but I can't find the "new sub menu" you mention.  The 
folder is on my desk top and I checked VO m and VO shift M and the tool bar.  
Help?

Linda

On Oct 24, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

>> Hello. create the folder and put your docs in there now go to new submenu 
>> and go to disk image from folder. Now follow the prompts. You will want to 
>> choose encrypted and choose one option. Now enter a password twice and you 
>> should be good to go.
> 
> S
> On Oct 24, 2010, at 12:42 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> Earlier this month Dan gave information on using disk utility to create an 
>> .dmg file or folder for this purpose.  I looked at the file menu under disk 
>> utility and read the help file but still couldn't figure out how to do this. 
>>  I guess I want to create a folder in which I could place one or more files.
>> 
>> If someone could give me some directions on this, I'd appreciate it.  I 
>> don't quite understand the concept of the .dmg file/folder.
>> 
>> TIA,
>> Linda
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Password protected documents

[Linda Adams]

Hi everyone,

Earlier this month Dan gave information on using disk utility to create an .dmg 
file or folder for this purpose.  I looked at the file menu under disk utility 
and read the help file but still couldn't figure out how to do this.  I guess I 
want to create a folder in which I could place one or more files.

If someone could give me some directions on this, I'd appreciate it.  I don't 
quite understand the concept of the .dmg file/folder.

TIA,
Linda
 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Mysterious second Mail Account

[Linda Adams]

Hi folks,

When I set up my Mail account, I set up only one Imap Gmail account and it has 
been working fine.  Yesterday, I suddenly began getting a dialog  message 
asking for the password to an account with the user name Null.  The only thing 
that occured which may have caused this was my husband went to the Gmail web 
site to check his email on line.  He forgot his password and gave up.  After 
that I began getting this dialog box.  I checked my Mail preferences under both 
Accounts and Advanced tabs and saw only one account, mine.

Any ideas on what I can do to get rid of this Null account?

Thanks much for your help.

Linda

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: ways of tagging sections in a document

[Linda Adams]

Jude,

I've been using asterisks for years, so I'll just keep it up.

Thanks,
Linda

On Oct 16, 2010, at 5:14 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> The first thing to do is to come up with your own standard way of marking out 
> section headings and stick to that.  Then since you know what your own 
> standard is, you'll know how and what to search for.  I'm on the 
> treasurescroll list with blindtreasures.com and just above each new product 
> listing two asterisks are placed on a line by themselves.  latex exists and 
> is a language very often used to mark up mathematics papers with section 
> headers and the like but I suppose latex in your case might be the equivalent 
> of using a deuterium bomb on a gnat.  The key here for finding out what 
> others are doing though is "mark up languages".  I almost forgot, you might 
> look at groff that's the latest incarnation in a long line that went from 
> roff to troff and ditroff now to groff.  People were using those in the Apple 
> environment back as far as the Apple II days in educational institutions and 
> doing so heavily. On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, Linda Adams wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Liam for asking this question.  I too, would be interested.  I use 
>> text edit and would want the tags to be permanent.  Does anything exist that 
>> would do this for us?
>> 
>> Linda
>> 
>> On Oct 13, 2010, at 6:17 PM, DJ Nezumi wrote:
>> 
>>> hi
>>> i was wondering if there is a way to tag certain sections in a
>>> document that can be jumped to either using VO or the mac keystrokes
>>> in general.
>>> for example on windoes i am able to do this using the headings list in
>>> jaws.
>>> is there an equivalent of doing this in mac?
>>> thanks regards
>>> Liam
>>> 
>>> --
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> For more options, visit this group at 
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: Conversations View

[Linda Adams]

Tim and all,

Thanks much for your help.  Tim's instructions worked perfectly.  I have to 
remember that if I can't find something in the regular App's menu, I need to 
check out the Tool Bar and preferences.  

Linda

On Oct 15, 2010, at 6:41 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi Linda,
> 
> It is in the Mail Preferences that you need to change the Header view to None.
> 
> When in Mail:
> 
> 1.  Press cmd-comma to open your Preferences.
> 2.  Interact with the Toolbar.
> 3.  Select the Viewing tab.
> 4.  Mail will automatically stop interacting with the toolbar and move you to 
> the Header View pop-up.
> 4.  Use VO-space to change it from Default to None.
> 5.  close your Preferences window.
> 
> If you wish to have a specific message display the Header after setting 
> things this way, simply press cmd-shift-h and the long Header info will 
> appear for that message.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2010-10-15, at 1:57 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
> 
>> Kawal,
>> 
>> Would you give me some more directions?  I  have my Macvisionaries  list 
>> messagesorganized by thread.  I press enter to open the thread but I 
>> then have to interact to read each message.  I looked under the Mail View 
>> menu but couldn't find where to set headers on None.  Additional help would 
>> be appreciated.
>> 
>> Linda
>> 
>> On Oct 15, 2010, at 8:09 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Neil.
>>> 
>>> When you go to the view Menu, make sure that the headers are none so when 
>>> you open  a thread your message reads automaticly and you do shict command 
>>> h and you voice over lect arrow to get to your headers and interact if you 
>>> want to know who the message is from.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> Kawal Gucukoglu
>>> 
>>> On 15 Oct 2010, at 12:18 PM, Dan Eickmeier  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yes it certainly is.  SImply go to the view menu, and check organize by 
>>>> thread.  
>>>> On Oct 15, 2010, at 7:10 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> is it possible in Mac Mail to have mail items sorted into conversation 
>>>>> view,
>>>>> in OutLook what this does is thread each set of messages by subject, so 
>>>>> that
>>>>> you can delete entire threads if you wish.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I use this view all the time in OutLook for dealing with the mail address 
>>>>> I
>>>>> have subscribed to the mailing lists that I am part of.
>>>>> 
>>>>> thanks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>>>> 
>>>>> Neil Barnfather
>>>>> Talks List Administrator
>>>>> 
>>>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
>>>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>>>> For more options, visit this group at 
>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>>> For more options, visit this group at 
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> For more options, visit this group at 
>>> http://groups.google.co

Re: Conversations View

[Linda Adams]

Kawal,

Would you give me some more directions?  I  have my Macvisionaries  list 
messagesorganized by thread.  I press enter to open the thread but I then 
have to interact to read each message.  I looked under the Mail View menu but 
couldn't find where to set headers on None.  Additional help would be 
appreciated.

Linda
  
On Oct 15, 2010, at 8:09 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Hi Neil.
> 
> When you go to the view Menu, make sure that the headers are none so when you 
> open  a thread your message reads automaticly and you do shict command h and 
> you voice over lect arrow to get to your headers and interact if you want to 
> know who the message is from.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> Kawal Gucukoglu
> 
> On 15 Oct 2010, at 12:18 PM, Dan Eickmeier  wrote:
> 
>> Yes it certainly is.  SImply go to the view menu, and check organize by 
>> thread.  
>> On Oct 15, 2010, at 7:10 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> is it possible in Mac Mail to have mail items sorted into conversation view,
>>> in OutLook what this does is thread each set of messages by subject, so that
>>> you can delete entire threads if you wish.
>>> 
>>> I use this view all the time in OutLook for dealing with the mail address I
>>> have subscribed to the mailing lists that I am part of.
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> 
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> For more options, visit this group at 
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Moving email address from Outlook to Mail

[Linda Adams]

Hi,

I'm ready for this next step.  A friend mentioned using a program called O2M 
and in Switch101 on the Apple web site it mentioned 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: ways of tagging sections in a document

[Linda Adams]

Thanks Liam for asking this question.  I too, would be interested.  I use text 
edit and would want the tags to be permanent.  Does anything exist that would 
do this for us?

Linda

On Oct 13, 2010, at 6:17 PM, DJ Nezumi wrote:

> hi
> i was wondering if there is a way to tag certain sections in a
> document that can be jumped to either using VO or the mac keystrokes
> in general.
> for example on windoes i am able to do this using the headings list in
> jaws.
> is there an equivalent of doing this in mac?
> thanks regards
> Liam
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: general Mac questions

[Linda Adams]

Robert,

For captcha check out Solona.net.

For Webkit go to 
webkit.org

Linda

On Oct 13, 2010, at 5:06 PM, Robert Hooper wrote:

> As a way of demonstrating my utter inexperience with the Mac operating system 
> (or my lack of motivation to find certain information with Google), I have a 
> few questions. My first question regards Mail. Is there a way to jump quickly 
> to the top or bottom of a table—specifically, the messages table? Barring 
> that, is there a way to move quickly by larger increments? In Outlook, page 
> up and page down move by 25 messages, I believe. Likewise, home and end jump 
> straight to the top or bottom of the message list respectively. The reason I 
> ask is because I routinely have a large quantity of messages in my Inbox, and 
> I don’t want to start by spending five minutes arrowing to the top of the 
> table.
> My next question is regarding using the Web. Captchas—need I say more? On the 
> Windows side, one would remedy this problem by downloading and using Firefox 
> with the Web Visum plug-in, which performed OCR on the captcha image and 
> placed it on the clipboard for convenient pasting into the appropriate edit 
> box. Also, if you didn’t wish to use Firefox, there was usually an audio 
> alternative. I am trying to create an iChat account on the Mac. Naturally, 
> this requires the use of the AOL web site. Before I can proceed to create my 
> account, the web site requires that a captcha be entered. Although they 
> provide an audio alternative, Safari is completely unable to use it and the 
> link (upon checking) is java scripted. I know that Firefox is not at all 
> accessible on the Mac side (at least from the information I received on this 
> list), so are there any alternatives for captchas? Also web-related, how do I 
> go about obtaining Webkit—as some seem to think this a better web browsing 
> solution in general? Your contributions, time, and patience are appreciated.
> ThanksJ
> Robert Hooper
> hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu
>  
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email 
> tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

VoiceOver Utility

[Linda Adams]

Hello, everyone.  I have gotten my Apple Mac Book working again.  Now I want to 
experiment with the settings in VoiceOver Utility to get as much shown to me in 
a list view as I can do with Apple.  I would appreciate knowing the process and 
specific keystrokes when I press VO F8.  What are the specific keystrokes for 
seeing all the categories and all the options?  The Getting Started manual says 
how the window for each program is organized and which side the buttons are on 
and which side the categories are on, but there is no "when you hear this 
dialog, press that if you want such and such."  

Thank you so much for your help.  I think that if I learn what to expect and 
what keystrokes I need to use to respond, I can figure out quite a bit on my 
own after that.  

Linda Adams

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: voice over tutorials

[Linda Adams]

Joseph,

There is a short  tutorial, called the Quick Start Guideand there is a 
Voiceover Getting Started Guide.  You can get both through  Safari by pressing 
Control-option-H.  The web address is 
http://www.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/

Linda

On Oct 12, 2010, at 6:32 PM, joseph wrote:

> hi list
> 
> a friend is in need for the above, where can i find this ?
> 
> thank you in advance
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: apple mail questions

[Linda Adams]

Denise,
To have your messages displayed by date, interact with the messages table.  
Then right arrow over to the date column then press VO shift backslash.  You 
can have VO display from newest to oldest or oldest to newest by pressing VO 
shift backslash again.
This also works in iTunes in the songs table.

Linda
On Oct 12, 2010, at 3:41 PM, denise avant wrote:

> hello all,
> i am able to get e-mail fine on my macbook using apple mail. but all of a 
> sudden i can't send mail. i wanted to check the outgoing server port (ssil) 
> but can't find that port under preferences. can anyone tell me where to find 
> it? also is it possible to have apple mail set to have the last message 
> received be the one listed first when i get to the inbox. right now, things 
> are in my inbox in reverse order. thanks.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: selecting text on webpages

[Linda Adams]

John,

The method Colin describes below works well for me when I'm  wanting to select 
pure uninterrupted text.  Remember, however, to not interact.

Linda

On Oct 12, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Colin M wrote:

> Hi there!
> You can also shift down arrow to go down quicker
> On 12 Oct 2010, at 17:27, John Lipsey wrote:
> 
>> Hi list:
>> 
>> One thing I've yet to really master on my mac is selecting text,
>> especially on webpages.  I interact with the text area in which I want
>> to actually select text, but then I'm kind of confused.  I assume I
>> can shift right arrow to select text, but that would probably only
>> select one character at a time.  This seems highly inefficient.  Other
>> strategies are most welcome.
>> 
>> -John
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: Deleting MobileMe Account

[Linda Adams]

Dave,

Try the following.
To  get rid of it go to the finder  
Press command comma  or VO M and go to Finder preferences
Arrow left to the Tool Bar and interact
Right arrow to the side bar, select it and stop interacting
Arrow right to Idisk and uncheck it
Arrow left to close button

HTH
Linda
On Oct 8, 2010, at 12:42 PM, David Taylor wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Can anybody tell me what I need to do to finally delete this please? I've got 
> as far as selecting a reason for cancellation but can't get the Cancel 
> Account button to activate despite trying vo-space, enter, space and routing 
> the mouse to the button and trying shift-vo-space! I've tried it in Webkit 
> with no better results. Interestingly, I tried in Windows as I thought it 
> might be lack of familiarity with Safari causing me problems, and got less 
> far than on the Mac by a long way! I couldn't even view my account over there!
> 
> Cheers
> Dave
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: jumping to next line of text with voiceover?

[Linda Adams]

Blake,

This was one of the big adjustments I had to make when I switched.  One 
response suggested copying a paragraph to text edit to have a closer look.  
Another suggestion was to interact and read a word at a time.  If you don't 
need this close of a review you can try my method.  With quick nav on, I have 
used the shift key with the down arrow which  selects text a line at a time 
which also allows me to listen to a particular line within a paragraph 
again  if I  don't need a close look.  It works pretty well for this purpose.

HTH,
Linda

On Oct 2, 2010, at 9:20 PM, Blake Hardin wrote:

> Hi all, when on the web is there a way you can jump to the next line
> of text with a key like you can with jaws and windows? This would be
> very handy.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: help with a website please

[Linda Adams]

Carolyn,

I just tried your web site and had problems.  Both the linkto create an 
account  and the link for weekly  ads resulted in a message saying the page   
cannot be 
displayed.

Sorry,
Linda
On Oct 3, 2010, at 10:23 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:

> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Carolyn Haas 
>> Date: October 3, 2010 7:47:21 PM MDT
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: help with a website please
>> 
>> Hi guys:
>> I've been trying to work with a website, to sign in, view weekly ads, etc.  
>> I am getting all of nowhere, and it's a site I normally peruse with JFW and 
>> my old kDell.  I want to use the mac, but can't get anything to behave 
>> properly.  If anyone likes a challenge, could you please check out 
>> kingsoopers.com?  See if you can view weekly ads, create account, or sign 
>> in.  I've tried using group mode, and then Dom mode, tried working from 
>> trackpad or from keyboard.  I'm pretty much clueless why this site is so 
>> confounded or how to best work with it.  
>> Any help would be much appreciated.  I can be reached at 
>> sourceho...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Thanks for reading.And to anyone who can be of help you'll be my BFF, 
>> (stolen from my daughter:)
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Carolyn
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: voice over guide

[Linda Adams]

Heather,

I used the same process when I got my Mac and found it worked well for me.  On 
your Windows browser bring up the following link and save it in your favorites. 
 Then you can go back to it as you work through the chapters in the Guide.

http://www.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/

HTH
Linda

On Oct 7, 2010, at 2:11 PM, heather kd5cbl wrote:

> Hay, does anyone have this problem with the voice over guide.  I downloaded 
> in the BRF format to read in  kurzweil1000 but it won't open it and kicks me 
> out of the program!  I wanted to read it on my windows desktop with k12 and 
> practice with my mac laptop that is on the desk.  I just received yesterday 
> and I have been using the keyboard help but I wanted access to the guide as 
> well.  Thanks Heather 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Switching To The Mac

[Linda Adams]

Hi, Heather.  The only accessible version of the manual that I have found is 
the one on Bookshare.  

Linda Adams

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Switching To The Mac

[Linda Adams]

Hi, Heather.  I found three books with this title on Bookshare:  A Snow Leopard 
2009 edition, a Leopard edition, and a Tiger edition.  If you want to let me 
know what format you prefer, I will look for your specific edition elsewhere.  

Linda Adams

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: bookshare, Switching to the Mac: The Missing Manual,

[Linda Adams]

Hi Heather.  I have Bookshare until November 11, so I will look there for 
you.  Let me know if you usually prefer braille or Daisy, and I will scout 
around and see if that book is obtainable anywhere in an accessible format. 
That sounds like it would be helpful for me, too.


Linda Adams

- Original Message - 
From: "heather kd5cbl" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 5:49 PM
Subject: bookshare, Switching to the Mac: The Missing Manual,


Hello, I am looking for Switching to the Mac: The Missing Manual because 
my bookshare just ended.  Please does anyone know if you can obtain it in 
electronic format somewhere else?  thank you Heather

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.

To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.





--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Navigating Mail and Safari

[Linda Adams]

Thank you so much for your help and suggestions for making navigation easier.  
Sometimes just learning from people what to enable and disable for things makes 
all the difference.  

Yes, I tried the trackpad, although I don't know if my Snow Leopard has a Magic 
Trackpad.  I think it is called a Mind-Of-Its-Own trackpad because even when my 
hands were near it, this made mysterious things start happening with the 
computer, so my computer technician friend Rick disabled the trackpad and the 
mouse by plugging in a dongle into the mouse port to make the computer think 
that it had a mouse plugged in.  

My Snow Leopard 10.6 wanted an update last week, and after I updated it, it 
became more uncooperative, so I will have to wait for Rick to see what the 
update might have changed.  Until we get the machine stable again, I probably 
won't be writing because I won't be able to practice until then, but once 
again, thank you so much for all your help.  You have given me a good place 
from which to start now.  

Linda Adams

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Navigating mail and Safari

[Linda Adams]

Hello, everyone.  I am Linda Adams, a very new and inexperienced user of an 
Apple Snow Leopard 10.6.  I have been a Windoes user for ten years, and now
I am experimenting to see if the Apple Snow Leopard will be comfortably 
accessible.  

My computer technician friend has been worried for a while about the
increasing security problems with Windows computers and is wanting me to switch 
to Apple.  I would be very interested to hear from former Windows users
regarding what benefits they experience with Apple versus the Windows PC 
computer.

On a more specific note, is there anything that I can set in System Preferences 
or VoiceOver Utility to get rid of the table view in Mail and switch it
to a list view so that there aren't as many navigation steps to go through to 
read messages?
Are there settings that I can do to allow me to read a website line by line 
from the top of the page to the bottom in Safari?  I like to go to catalog 
websites
such as LL Bean or The Vermont Country Store where there are plain text 
descriptions of every product below that product link.  I want to see the web 
pages
as they really are rather than just being shown links, headers, or other such 
element groups.
My hands are quite small.  Is it possible to change settings so that not as 
many keys need to be pressed at a time to perform functions?  I know about 
Quick Nav and locking the VoiceOver keys, but the VoiceOver keys often need to 
be unlocked to perform other commands.  

Thank you for any advice and help that you can give me.  I have three friends 
counting on me to tell them whether Apple would be good to switch to or not.

Linda Adams

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: Reading messages in threads

[Linda Adams]

Mark,

Thanks, but like Ray pointed out, it seems just as quick to get from the Inbox 
back to my Macvisionaries mailbox in the the sidebar.  I do appreciate your 
help and it's always nice to have an alternate route.
Linda

On Sep 13, 2010, at 12:04 AM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello Kawal, Linda, Et Al,
> 
> When reading emails in the threaded view:
> 
> If a thread has 8 messages and you've read 3 of them and you do not wish to
> read the remaining messages in the thread, instead of using Command+Option+W
> (which will close all mail windows) followed by Command+1 (which will
> restore the Mail Windows but place focus in the unified Inbox instead of an
> individual email account Inbox, do the following:  
> 
> When you're ready to return to the email-account-specific Inbox, 
> 
> 1.
> Press Command+Option+W to close all Mail Windows.
> 
> 2.
> Press VO+M to activate the application's Menu Bar.
> 
> 3.
> Tap the letter W in order to jump to the Window Item.
> 
> 4.
> Either tap the Enter key or the Down-Arrow key to open The Window Item Menu.
> 
> 5.
> Tap the Letter M to jump to the Message Viewer Item.
> 
> 6.
> Finally, tap the Enter key to activate this item.  This will display the
> Account-specific Inbox (from which you left), once again.  
> 
> I hope this helps and remember to make a joyful noise.
> 
> Mark
> PS
> I wish you all well as it may be quite sometime before I am able to post to
> this very excellent list, again.  
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Adams
> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 3:44 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Reading messages in threads
> 
> Kawal,
> 
> Thanks for the information.  Command 1 works great to bring back the Mail
> window if totally closed by accident.
> 
> I need to explain my first question a little more.  If a thread has 8
> messages, I've read 3 and don't need to read he rest, instead of pressing
> command W 5 more times, can I clear out the remaining messages and return to
> the message window?  When I pressed Command option W it closed everything
> which is what I wanted to avoid.  Pressing command 1 takes me back to the
> inbox instead of the Macvisionaries mailbox where I had been reading
> threads.
> 
> Thanks,
> Linda
> 
> On Sep 11, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> Hi Linda.
>> 
>> If you don't want to read anymore messages in thread, press command option
> W together.  This closes all mail windows.
>> 
>> The next question you asked is if the windows are closed what to do.
> Press Command 1 to open the mail window.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 11 Sep 2010, at 20:22, Linda Adams wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I've recently switched to reading messages from this list in the thread
> format and am liking the way it works.  I have 2 questions.  If there are
> messages left on a thread and I don't need/want to read the remaining
> messages, is there a quicker way to stop reading the thread or do I have to
> press command W until they are all closed?  
>>> 
>>> Also, I think  I remember my next question being posted but don't
> remember the answer.  I've accidentally closed the main window so the
> message table no longer is shown.  I know I can close Mail and open it back
> up again again but wondered if there is another way to bring back the
> message table.
>>> 
>>> Thanks much,
>>> Linda
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> For more options, visit this group at
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Kawal Gucukoglu
>> (E-mail/MSN):
>> kawal_gucuko...@sent.com
>> 
>> (Skype ID):
>> 
>> kawalgucukoglu
>> 
>> (Mobile/text):
>> 
>> +447905618396
>> 
>> +447576240421
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>

Re: Reading messages in threads

[Linda Adams]

Kawal,

Thanks for the information.  Command 1 works great to bring back the Mail 
window if totally closed by accident.

I need to explain my first question a little more.  If a thread has 8 messages, 
I've read 3 and don't need to read he rest, instead of pressing command W 5 
more times, can I clear out the remaining messages and return to the message 
window?  When I pressed Command option W it closed everything which is what I 
wanted to avoid.  Pressing command 1 takes me back to the inbox instead of the 
Macvisionaries mailbox where I had been reading threads.

Thanks,
Linda

On Sep 11, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Hi Linda.
> 
> If you don't want to read anymore messages in thread, press command option W 
> together.  This closes all mail windows.
> 
> The next question you asked is if the windows are closed what to do.  Press 
> Command 1 to open the mail window.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 11 Sep 2010, at 20:22, Linda Adams wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I've recently switched to reading messages from this list in the thread 
>> format and am liking the way it works.  I have 2 questions.  If there are 
>> messages left on a thread and I don't need/want to read the remaining 
>> messages, is there a quicker way to stop reading the thread or do I have to 
>> press command W until they are all closed?  
>> 
>> Also, I think  I remember my next question being posted but don't remember 
>> the answer.  I've accidentally closed the main window so the message table 
>> no longer is shown.  I know I can close Mail and open it back up again again 
>> but wondered if there is another way to bring back the message table.
>> 
>> Thanks much,
>> Linda
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kawal Gucukoglu
> (E-mail/MSN):
> kawal_gucuko...@sent.com
> 
> (Skype ID):
> 
> kawalgucukoglu
> 
> (Mobile/text):
> 
> +447905618396
> 
> +447576240421
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Reading messages in threads

[Linda Adams]

Hi,

I've recently switched to reading messages from this list in the thread format 
and am liking the way it works.  I have 2 questions.  If there are messages 
left on a thread and I don't need/want to read the remaining messages, is there 
a quicker way to stop reading the thread or do I have to press command W until 
they are all closed?  

Also, I think  I remember my next question being posted but don't remember the 
answer.  I've accidentally closed the main window so the message table no 
longer is shown.  I know I can close Mail and open it back up again again but 
wondered if there is another way to bring back the message table.

Thanks much,
Linda

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: google translate

[Linda Adams]

Josh,

Windows won't help either.  At least I couldn't figure it out.  Mine is stuck 
on English and Spanish.  I can reverse them from English to  Spanish and 
Spanish to English but can't select a different language.  Here is another   
site you can try.
freetranslation.com

HTH
Linda

On Sep 8, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

> Hi
> 
> for some reason the language combo boxes on the www.translate.google.com 
> website are not showing up as pop up buttons so I cannot change their values. 
> I am running the latest mac OS10.6 and latest updates. 
> Is this something I just need windows for? 
> 
> Josh Kennedy
> jkenn...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: copying and pasting text from the web

[Linda Adams]

Thanks for that clarification.

On Sep 5, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> Sometimes though the text is not presented in a line or lines so thqt method 
> does not work. I've tried it.
> On Sep 5, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
> 
>> Eric,
>> 
>> I struggled with this same question and have finally settled on a method 
>> that works flawlessly with copying text areas from the web.  I get to the 
>> beginning of the text I want to copy and silence VO.  Then pressing only the 
>> shift key, I press the down arrow
>> to the end of the text I want to copy.  You should hear it say 
>> "highlighted".  Press command c then press command V when you are ready to 
>> past the text.  Do not interact with the text before using this method.  
>> Also, I have Quick Nav on in case that makes a difference.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> Linda
>> On Sep 5, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Eric Caron wrote:
>> 
>>> Mike and others,
>>> 
>>> I would appreciate some help with copying information from the web.  I 
>>> tried to follow the directions below but nothing seems to happen.
>>> 
>>> example.
>>> 
>>> I go to a page with keyboard shortcuts set up in tables.  I go to the top 
>>> and hit VO enter.  
>>> I then shift Arrow down .
>>> Then I hit VO Enter again
>>> I then press command C 
>>> When I open Pages and press Command V, nothing happens.
>>> 
>>> It would be very handy to copy tips or recipes or such but I need help or a 
>>> little more details.
>>> 
>>> Eric Caron  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 7, 2010, at 6:30 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>> 
>>>> When selecting the text, press VO enter, then highlight the text, and 
>>>> press VO enter again, then press command C to copy it.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> For more options, visit this group at 
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: copying and pasting text from the web

[Linda Adams]

Eric,

I struggled with this same question and have finally settled on a method that 
works flawlessly with copying text areas from the web.  I get to the beginning 
of the text I want to copy and silence VO.  Then pressing only the shift key, I 
press the down arrow
to the end of the text I want to copy.  You should hear it say "highlighted".  
Press command c then press command V when you are ready to past the text.  Do 
not interact with the text before using this method.  Also, I have Quick Nav on 
in case that makes a difference.

HTH.
Linda
On Sep 5, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Eric Caron wrote:

> Mike and others,
> 
>   I would appreciate some help with copying information from the web.  I 
> tried to follow the directions below but nothing seems to happen.
> 
> example.
> 
> I go to a page with keyboard shortcuts set up in tables.  I go to the top and 
> hit VO enter.  
> I then shift Arrow down .
> Then I hit VO Enter again
> I then press command C 
> When I open Pages and press Command V, nothing happens.
> 
> It would be very handy to copy tips or recipes or such but I need help or a 
> little more details.
> 
> Eric Caron  
> 
> 
> On Aug 7, 2010, at 6:30 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
>> When selecting the text, press VO enter, then highlight the text, and press 
>> VO enter again, then press command C to copy it.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: getting the mac to recognize an sd card

[Linda Adams]

Carolyn,

I can answer part of your question.  Format the SD card on the Victor Stream 
itself.  Press the 7 key 4 times; when you hear it say Format, then press the # 
key and it will ask you to press it again to confirm.

HTH,
Linda

On Sep 5, 2010, at 12:15 AM, Carolyn wrote:

> Hi Mac Family:
> Ok, now that Alex has settled down a bit, I have a question, as the subject 
> reflects.  I'm putting a new sd card into the card reader, which I want to 
> use to download books for use with the Victor Reader Stream.  The Mac doesn't 
> even appear to see a card.  Is there some way to locate and/or format it so I 
> can put books on it?
> TIA for any help.
> 
> Carolyn
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: Go to page in Text Edit

[Linda Adams]

Teresa, thanks for the information.
Sarah, I'll check out the ruler.  I've looked at it a couple of times but 
haven't tried working with it.

Linda

On Sep 3, 2010, at 6:05 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> As far as I know,  there's no specific command in TextEdit for "go to page". 
> If you have page numbers in your document, you can have VO or TextEdit search 
> for them for you, though.
> 
> Teresa
> On Sep 3, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Command option G did not do anything in text edit.  I checked the Getting 
>> Started Guide and did a Google search but both came up blank.  Is there a 
>> similar command that works in Text Edit?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Linda
>> 
>> On Sep 3, 2010, at 8:48 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>> 
>>> HI Roberto,
>>> 
>>> Try interacting, then navigating to the page. I also use the bookmark 
>>> feature which seems to work well in Preview.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Kein
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> For more options, visit this group at 
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Go to page in Text Edit

[Linda Adams]

Hi,

Command option G did not do anything in text edit.  I checked the Getting 
Started Guide and did a Google search but both came up blank.  Is there a 
similar command that works in Text Edit?

Thanks,
Linda

On Sep 3, 2010, at 8:48 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:

> HI Roberto,
> 
> Try interacting, then navigating to the page. I also use the bookmark feature 
> which seems to work well in Preview.
> 
> Cheers,
> Kein
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Saving VO Preferences

[Linda Adams]

Hi,

I haven't had any problems with Voiceover but after reading some recent 
messages, I decided I should save my preferences which I haven't done since 
buying my Macbook.

My question is the best way to do this and where to save the file.

I located the "export preferences" in the file menu under preferences in the  
VO utility  which seems very simple.  I've read older messages which talked 
about going to the library and saving the Voiceover 3 folder and others saying 
to save plist files.

Will the "export preferences" be all inclusive?

Now, the silly question is where to save it?  It seems to not matter but I'm 
still wondering where.

Thanks,
Linda

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: navigating a webpage by headers, pre-snow leopard

[Linda Adams]

Erik,
Okay, I understand.  I'm still excited over finding a keyboard command to get 
to lists.  I've wished Apple had included lists  on the web item rotor and 
Quick Nav.

Have a nice day,
Linda

On Aug 18 2010, at 6:12 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> Hi Linda,
> 
> This morning in the original post that started this thread, John D. Lipsey 
> wrote that he used quick nav to get to headings, but that the leopard 
> machines in the school he works in of course don't have quick nav.  That lead 
> me to wonder if there is another way to perform object navigation.  I thought 
> John might be implying that quick nav offered an alternative to control 
> option command H or control option command shift h.
> 
> If you read right down to the bottom of the thread below our two messages, 
> you can see what John wrote.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> Check out my first ever podcast tutorial, Learn braille using the braille box.
> Visit http://www.erik-burggraaf.com and click podcasts to read more and 
> subscribe.
> 
> On 2010-08-18, at 4:44 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
> 
>> Erick,
>> 
>> Would you clarify your question about Quick Nav and headers?
>> 
>> Linda
>> 
>> On Aug 18, 2010, at 7:58 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, Most of theis  worked on leopard.  The headings and controls did for 
>>> sure but some of the others were sketchy.
>>> 
>>> By the way, what's the quick nav key for getting to headings?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Erik Burggraaf
>>> Check out my first ever podcast tutorial, Learn braille using the braille 
>>> box.
>>> Visit http://www.erik-burggraaf.com and click podcasts to read more and 
>>> subscribe.
>>> 
>>> On 2010-08-18, at 1:27 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have no idea if this works with Leopard, but I use 
>>>> control-option-command-H to navigate headers.
>>>> 
>>>> FYI, there's j for form fields, n for auto web spots, and l for links with 
>>>> those same modifier keys, too.
>>>> 
>>>> HTH, 
>>>> Teresa
>>>> On Aug 17, 2010, at 8:59 PM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm volunteering at a highschool that uses macs.  However, they're 
>>>>> running OS 10.5.8, I think.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Using Snow Leopard has spoiled me, because I love using quicknav.  Some 
>>>>> websites I use at work are more efficient to navigate via headers.  This 
>>>>> is easy as pie with quicknav, but I can't for the life of me figure out a 
>>>>> pre-quicknav command for moving to next and previous headers.  Help?
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>>>> For more options, visit this group at 
>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>>> For more options, visit this group at 
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> For more options, visit this group at 
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: navigating a webpage by headers, pre-snow leopard

[Linda Adams]

Erick,

Would you clarify your question about Quick Nav and headers?

Linda

On Aug 18, 2010, at 7:58 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> Hi, Most of theis  worked on leopard.  The headings and controls did for sure 
> but some of the others were sketchy.
> 
> By the way, what's the quick nav key for getting to headings?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> Check out my first ever podcast tutorial, Learn braille using the braille box.
> Visit http://www.erik-burggraaf.com and click podcasts to read more and 
> subscribe.
> 
> On 2010-08-18, at 1:27 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> 
>> I have no idea if this works with Leopard, but I use 
>> control-option-command-H to navigate headers.
>> 
>> FYI, there's j for form fields, n for auto web spots, and l for links with 
>> those same modifier keys, too.
>> 
>> HTH, 
>> Teresa
>> On Aug 17, 2010, at 8:59 PM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I'm volunteering at a highschool that uses macs.  However, they're running 
>>> OS 10.5.8, I think.
>>> 
>>> Using Snow Leopard has spoiled me, because I love using quicknav.  Some 
>>> websites I use at work are more efficient to navigate via headers.  This is 
>>> easy as pie with quicknav, but I can't for the life of me figure out a 
>>> pre-quicknav command for moving to next and previous headers.  Help?
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> For more options, visit this group at 
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

More Navigation tips on Snow Leopard

[Linda Adams]

Teresa,

Your tips sent me searching and, in addition to the ones listed in the Commands 
help menu, I began checking the keyboard to see if there were others that 
weren't listed.

To my pleasure, I found that VO Command X will take you to the next list on a 
web page.  This helps me a lot with a couple of the web pages I visit.

 These keyboard commands are  good additions to the Quick Nav.  So thanks for 
sending me on this path.

Linda

On Aug 18, 2010, at 1:27 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> I have no idea if this works with Leopard, but I use control-option-command-H 
> to navigate headers.
> 
> FYI, there's j for form fields, n for auto web spots, and l for links with 
> those same modifier keys, too.
> 
> HTH, 
> Teresa
> On Aug 17, 2010, at 8:59 PM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I'm volunteering at a highschool that uses macs.  However, they're running 
>> OS 10.5.8, I think.
>> 
>> Using Snow Leopard has spoiled me, because I love using quicknav.  Some 
>> websites I use at work are more efficient to navigate via headers.  This is 
>> easy as pie with quicknav, but I can't for the life of me figure out a 
>> pre-quicknav command for moving to next and previous headers.  Help?
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: Safari and Google?

[Linda Adams]

Courtney,

Another method that seems a little easier to me, is to  press command L and 
arrow to the right two times which will put you  in a Google search field.


Even quicker is a short cut I learned from Esther, press command-option-F which 
will put you in a Google search field from anywhere in Safari.

HTH,
Linda

On Aug 17, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Ronit Ovadia Mazzoni wrote:

> Courtney, make sure you are on the safari toolbar, the first button on the 
> toolbar is back. Arrow all the way to the right and there is a search box, 
> mine says google wehn I arrow to it. IF yours doesn't, it probably still is 
> the google search box.
> Ronit
> 
> On Aug 17, 2010, at 5:46 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I don't see where to search in the toolbar, I see a search field, but it 
>> doesn't say anything about google.
>> Courtney
>> Listen to The Wonderful World of Doo-wop with me, Moopie Curran on Fridays 
>> at 08:00 UTC on http://www.theglobalvoice.info
>> 
>> On Aug 17, 2010, at 8:40 PM, Jesse Bollinger wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> That works great. Thank you for the suggestion.
>>> On Aug 17, 2010, at 8:32 PM, Ronit Ovadia Mazzoni wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Jesse,
>>>> Yes, google is aware of this problem and they are trying to solve it. In 
>>>> the meantime, you can use the google search box on the toolbar of safari. 
>>>> This is what I've been doing and it sitll works.
>>>> HTH,
>>>> Ronit
>>>> 
>>>> On Aug 17, 2010, at 5:26 PM, Jesse Bollinger wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not sure if this has been discussed but I figured I'd throw it out there. 
>>>>> I recently upgraded to the latest version of Safari. Whenever I go to 
>>>>> google.com and type in a search, Voiceover shuts off immediately when the 
>>>>> results page comes up.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jesse
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>>>> For more options, visit this group at 
>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>>> For more options, visit this group at 
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> For more options, visit this group at 
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: mobile me

[Linda Adams]

Sarah,

That's a good rule of thumb, I'll keep it in mind.

Linda

On Aug 16, 2010, at 5:41 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> My rule of thumb is interact wiht everything eventhough some info might not 
> be there. lol!
> 
> Take care.
> 
> S
> On Aug 16, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
> 
>> Kevin,
>> 
>> Thanks so much.  There are so many layers to certain items.  I don't think I 
>> would have thought to interact with the tool bar if you hadn't sent me in 
>> that direction.  I unchecked Idisk so that pesky mobile me message should be 
>> gone.
>> 
>> Thanks again,
>> Linda
>> 
>> On Aug 16, 2010, at 5:14 PM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>> 
>>> HI Linda,
>>> 
>>> You need to be under the sidebar tab in the toolbar. You'll probably want 
>>> to keep hard disks checked under the General tab as this is what allows 
>>> Macintosh HD to show up on your desktop.
>>> 
>>> Kevin
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> For more options, visit this group at 
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: mobile me

[Linda Adams]

Kevin,

Thanks so much.  There are so many layers to certain items.  I don't think I 
would have thought to interact with the tool bar if you hadn't sent me in that 
direction.  I unchecked Idisk so that pesky mobile me message should be gone.

Thanks again,
Linda

On Aug 16, 2010, at 5:14 PM, Kevin Shaw wrote:

> HI Linda,
> 
> You need to be under the sidebar tab in the toolbar. You'll probably want to 
> keep hard disks checked under the General tab as this is what allows 
> Macintosh HD to show up on your desktop.
> 
> Kevin
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: mobile me

[Linda Adams]

Kevin,
I also wanted to disable this feature and appreciate your response.  I just 
need to confirm one thing and ask you to overlook my ignorance.  Under the 
finder preferences I saw that hard disk is already unchecked but external disk 
is not.  There is no I disk listed.  So, is external disk the one I should 
uncheck?

TIA 
Linda

On Aug 16, 2010, at 12:39 PM, Kevin Shaw wrote:

> If you're talking about iDisk, you can disable looking for iDisks in Finder 
> Preferences. Go to the fFinder and press Command-comma.
> 
> Kevin
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: Magic Jack/Force Quiting An Application

[Linda Adams]

Mike,

Thanks much.  Your preferred method is exactly what I needed because I don't 
keep Magic Jack plugged into my Mac all the time.

Much appreciated,
Linda

On Aug 15, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Michael Busboom wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> I use Magic Jack all the time to call family and friends in the States.  
> While the ability to call for free is great (well, I did pay the annual fee) 
> the program, in terms of friendliness leaves much to be desired.
> 
> I have found three ways to quit Magic Jack:
> 
> 1.  From almost anywhere, go to the Apple Menu by pressing Voice Over M.  
> Arrow down until you get to the "Force Quit" option.  Click on that and then 
> interact with the table that lists the programs that are currently running.  
> When you get to the Magic Jack entry in the list, stop interacting with the 
> table and VO Right until you get to the option that lets you force-quit the 
> program.
> 
> 2.  If you don't want to navigate through the Apple menu to get to the "Force 
> Quit Applications" option, type Command Option Escape from anywhere, and you 
> will be put in the same program dialogue as in Number 1.  Proceed as 
> described in 1.
> 
> 3.  My preferred way of quitting Magic Jack, since the Command Q never works 
> is to go into Finder and from there, find the Magic Jack volume.  Once there, 
> VO Shift M brings up a list of options, one of which is the command to eject 
> Magic Jack.  Press Enter on this option, wait a couple of seconds, and then 
> remove the Magic Jack plug from its USB port on your Mac.
> 
> I hope this helps just a little.
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 15,Aug,2010, at 6:51 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
> 
>> i appreciate your help but am not certain I understand your instructions.  
>> After going to the dock and moving to the running application Magic Jack, 
>> what is the next step?  I looked under the shortcut menu and didn't see a 
>> force quit option.  I only found the command option escape under VO M > 
>> Apple.
>> 
>> On
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Linda
>> Aug 14, 2010, at 6:44 PM, Thomas wrote:
>> 
>>> Another way depending on where you dock is is to go into dock, find the 
>>> running application.  Arrow right, then VO arrow down to force quit 
>>> sometimes that works when the apple menu one doesn't.
>>> 
>>> On Aug 7, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Linda,
>>>> 
>>>> Try force quitting the app.  You can find this in the Apple menu in the 
>>>> menu bar or, press command option escape.
>>>> 
>>>> hth
>>>> On Aug 7, 2010, at 7:24 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've been trying everything I could think of to access the log out screen 
>>>>> for Magic Jack.  After pressing command Q, it comes up with a dialog and 
>>>>> I have to select "yes" to completely close it.  I checked the menu but 
>>>>> that only did the same as command Q.  I tried turning tracking off and 
>>>>> that didn't help.  I tried the window chooser but there is only one 
>>>>> window and I can't get to the yes button.
>>>>> 
>>>>> All suggestions welcomed.
>>>>> Linda
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>>>> For more options, visit this group at 
>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>>> For more options, visit this group at 
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To u

Re: Ascertaining the time and date.

[Linda Adams]

Max,

Mystery solved.  I keep Quick Nav on almost all of the time and that's why the 
left arrow with or without VO wouldn't do anything.  As soon as I turned Quick 
Nav off, it worked just fine.  Wow, this stuff can get confusing!
Thanks,
Linda

On Aug 15, 2010, at 1:28 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:

> sorry, i forgot to say vo left arrow twice but the way you did it sounds 
> better. thanks, max
> On Aug 15, 2010, at 12:20 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
> 
>> Max and Nick,
>> 
>> I set and use  "option T to check the date and time.  I was curious and took 
>> a look at the method both of you described.  When I use VO MM or Control F8 
>> (either one)   pressing the left arrow "
>> does nothing except play a tone saying I can't go left.  Just curious, why 
>> mine won't do it.  I have a Macbook with Snow Leopard.
>> 
>> Linda
>> On Aug 15, 2010, at 12:55 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello;  I press vo plus m twice and then left arrow twice.  I also have my 
>>> clock set to announce the time on the hour.  you can set it to 15 or 30 
>>> minutes as well. hope that helps, max
>>> On Aug 15, 2010, at 8:59 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Greetings y'all,
>>>> 
>>>> Surely there's got to be an easier way to find out the time and date than 
>>>> finding it in system preferences.  I checked the box to display this 
>>>> information, but still haven't located it.
>>>> 
>>>> TIA for sharing the insert+f12 equivalent.
>>>> Geoff
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>>> For more options, visit this group at 
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> For more options, visit this group at 
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: Ascertaining the time and date.

[Linda Adams]

Max and Nick,

I set and use  "option T to check the date and time.  I was curious and took a 
look at the method both of you described.  When I use VO MM or Control F8 
(either one)   pressing the left arrow " 
 does nothing except play a tone saying I can't go left.  Just curious, why 
mine won't do it.  I have a Macbook with Snow Leopard.

Linda
On Aug 15, 2010, at 12:55 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:

> Hello;  I press vo plus m twice and then left arrow twice.  I also have my 
> clock set to announce the time on the hour.  you can set it to 15 or 30 
> minutes as well. hope that helps, max
> On Aug 15, 2010, at 8:59 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote:
> 
>> Greetings y'all,
>> 
>> Surely there's got to be an easier way to find out the time and date than 
>> finding it in system preferences.  I checked the box to display this 
>> information, but still haven't located it.
>> 
>> TIA for sharing the insert+f12 equivalent.
>> Geoff
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: Magic Jack/Force Quiting An Application

[Linda Adams]

i appreciate your help but am not certain I understand your instructions.  
After going to the dock and moving to the running application Magic Jack, what 
is the next step?  I looked under the shortcut menu and didn't see a force quit 
option.  I only found the command option escape under VO M > Apple.
 
On

Thanks,
Linda
 Aug 14, 2010, at 6:44 PM, Thomas wrote:

> Another way depending on where you dock is is to go into dock, find the 
> running application.  Arrow right, then VO arrow down to force quit sometimes 
> that works when the apple menu one doesn't.
> 
> On Aug 7, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Hi Linda,
>> 
>> Try force quitting the app.  You can find this in the Apple menu in the menu 
>> bar or, press command option escape.
>> 
>> hth
>> On Aug 7, 2010, at 7:24 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> I've been trying everything I could think of to access the log out screen 
>>> for Magic Jack.  After pressing command Q, it comes up with a dialog and I 
>>> have to select "yes" to completely close it.  I checked the menu but that 
>>> only did the same as command Q.  I tried turning tracking off and that 
>>> didn't help.  I tried the window chooser but there is only one window and I 
>>> can't get to the yes button.
>>> 
>>> All suggestions welcomed.
>>> Linda
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> For more options, visit this group at 
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: Insuring Windows are Maximized with VO?

[Linda Adams]

Focus,

To expand on a previous response to your question, I frequently use this when 
I've read an email and want to go back to the top to re-read it.  Press 
shift-FN-VO with the left arrow to go back to the top or the right arrow to go 
to the bottom.  You can lock the VO keys or the finger action isnt too bad. the 

Linda

On Aug 11, 2010, at 2:15 PM, focus wrote:

> Hi Sarah!
> I have not seen vo fn shift commands before!
> where are they used and for what?
> Focus
> 
> Skype focus_66
> On 11 Aug 2010, at 18:49, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> but you cannot for example excicute the vo fn shift left or right arrow with 
>> keys locked. I've tried. lol!
>> On Aug 11, 2010, at 9:26 AM, focus wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all!
>>> You can lock vo keys on or off by vo; so you do not need so many fingers!
>>> This is supposed to help if you are doing a lot of vo commands!
>>> hth :-]
>>> Focus
>>> Skype focus_66
>>> On 11 Aug 2010, at 16:54, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yeah.  lol.
>>>> 
>>>> I really wish they would put the control key on both sides of the space 
>>>> bar on all there keyboards. 
>>>> On Aug 11, 2010, at 11:41 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Now if only I had enough fingers to do this? lol! Neat trick.
>>>>> On Aug 10, 2010, at 11:56 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for that, Mike. neat trick. The things I learn on this list. :)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Teresa
>>>>>> On Aug 10, 2010, at 5:55 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi, to do this, press VO tilda, that's the accent key shifted. Voice 
>>>>>>> over will say window resize menu, and you will have 2 options, 
>>>>>>> horizontal or vertical. Select each one, and press the right arrow or 
>>>>>>> dwn arrow key as appropriate for a few seconds, this will maximise the 
>>>>>>> window in both directions.
>>>>>>> On Aug 10, 2010, at 3:30 PM, Al Puzzuoli wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>> Just wondering whether anyone can offer tips on how to determine 
>>>>>>>> whether a window is maximised and if it is not, how to go about 
>>>>>>>> maximising it? We have an imac 24 here at work, and we were showing a 
>>>>>>>> webpage.. The page was only occupying a part of the screen, and I had 
>>>>>>>> no idea how to make it full screen using VO.
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --Al
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at 
>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at 
>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at 
>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>>>>> 
>>>>&

Spellcheck conquered

[Linda Adams]

Well, after checking the box and sending my former message, I sent myself a 
message with mis-spellings and it worked like a charm.  I just needed more 
faith before bothering you guys.

Linda

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: Spellchecking emails.

[Linda Adams]

Hi,

I've been intending to set the spellcheck in Mail and figured I'd go ahead and 
do it when I read this thread.  When I went into the sub-menu the "check before 
sending" was dimmed.  I expected a check-box that would be permanent.While 
this message was open, I went back to the same sub-menu and it was no longer 
dimmed.  I checked "before sending".  Now will that keep for all future emails?

Thanks in advance,
Linda
  
On Aug 10, 2010, at 1:07 PM, focus wrote:

> Hi Geoff!
> I use the spellchecker all the time!
> Mine is set to check after I go to send the Email!
> So I type the message press send, command shift d, then the spellchecker 
> kicks in, do my corrections then it sends it!
> just what is going to happen when i finish typing this!!
> :-]
> Focus
> Skype focus_66
> On 10 Aug 2010, at 17:59, Geoff Waaler wrote:
> 
>> Greetings,
>>  
>> So as not to appear overly illiterate, I always run emails through a spell 
>> checker.  I did not purchase Office, but noticed that SnowLeopard includes a 
>> dictionary.  My question is whether the native MacOS supports spell 
>> checking?  If not are there any recommendations for a product to do this on 
>> the mac?
>>  
>> Thanks and best regards.
>> Geoff
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: Magic Jack

[Linda Adams]

Thanks, that will do it.

On Aug 7, 2010, at 8:25 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi Linda,
> 
> Try force quitting the app.  You can find this in the Apple menu in the menu 
> bar or, press command option escape.
> 
> hth 
> On Aug 7, 2010, at 7:24 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> I've been trying everything I could think of to access the log out screen 
>> for Magic Jack.  After pressing command Q, it comes up with a dialog and I 
>> have to select "yes" to completely close it.  I checked the menu but that 
>> only did the same as command Q.  I tried turning tracking off and that 
>> didn't help.  I tried the window chooser but there is only one window and I 
>> can't get to the yes button.
>> 
>> All suggestions welcomed.
>> Linda
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Magic Jack

[Linda Adams]

Hi everyone,

I've been trying everything I could think of to access the log out screen for 
Magic Jack.  After pressing command Q, it comes up with a dialog and I have to 
select "yes" to completely close it.  I checked the menu but that only did the 
same as command Q.  I tried turning tracking off and that didn't help.  I tried 
the window chooser but there is only one window and I can't get to the yes 
button.

All suggestions welcomed.
Linda

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: Keystrokes Wanted

[Linda Adams]

LT,

Here are a few more commands for reading text.  You can find these and many 
more in Chapter 4 of the Getting Started Guide which you can access by pressing 
 VO H and arrow down.  You can access Commands help the same way.

Read a sentence: VO S

Move to the next/previous sentence: FN VO command down/up arrow

Read a paragraph; VO P

Move to the next/previous paragraph: Shift FN VO down/up arrow

HTH,
Linda
On Aug 5, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Carolyn wrote:

> Hi LT:
> Try VO/S.  If I remember correctly this is in the vo commands help.  If I 
> remember incorrectly, my apologies:)
> Carolyn
> - Original Message -
> From: L. T. Reed
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:58 AM
> Subject: Keystrokes Wanted
> 
> Hello Everybody,
>  
> I#m not sure if this is the right place to post this request but ...
>  
> Could one of you developers include in a future version keystrokes for 
> reading current, prior, and next sentence in text documents?  And, whilst 
> you're at it, the same for paragraphs?
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Ted.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: DTB players and thumb drives again.

[Linda Adams]

Jenny,

If you haven't solved your problem yet, here is something you can check.  If 
you have a standard DTB, instead of an advanced model, you need to upgrade to 
at least 2.1.0 in order to read more than one book on the flash drive.  If you 
haven't upgraded since November, you probably don't have this upgrade.  You can 
check your current version by pressing the sleep button 10 times quickly with 
no cartridge in the player.  If you need to upgrade, there is a link on the 
home page of BARD after you log in.  The most recent upgrade just came out July 
20.


HTH
Linda

On Aug 2, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Jenny Kennedy(Howard) wrote:

> Hi guys,
> 
> Hope everyone is doing great.  I have a question, I know somebody a
> while ago sort of answered this. Okay here's the deal.
> 
> I bought a new 4GB thumb drive.  I put DTBs on it but when I put it in
> the DTB player it shows only 3 books and only one of them plays.  The
> other two are book errors.  Is this due to the fact I'm on a mac?  The
> DTB will play 4GB drives as I had one, it has crashed out, thus the
> reason for the new one.
> 
> Someone said something about upgrading software?  Is  this for the
> thumb drive or the DTB player?  I've got the DTBM update from November
> for the player but is there something else I need to be doing in
> configuring the thumb drive?
> Thanks much
> 
> Jenny
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: Mail and Gmail

[Linda Adams]

Darcy,

This was, indeed, an excellent article.  Thanks much.

Linda

On Aug 1, 2010, at 12:57 AM, Darcy Burnard wrote:

> Hi Linda.  Are you using imap with gmail?  If you are, I'd suggest reading 
> this excellent article from tidbits.
> http://db.tidbits.com/article/10253
> When I was setting up gmail, it made things much clearer.
> Darcy
> 
> On 2010-07-31, at 8:29 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> There was a posting yesterday from Thomas saying:
>>> "It depends on your Gmail settings.  If you have archiving turned off 
>>> on the given Gmail account you should be able to go to accounts in 
>>> preferences select the given account in the table if you have more 
>>> than one account, then I believe click the Advanced tab and there is a 
>>> remove from server function that you can click.
>>> If you have archiving turned on in your Gmail account though, you may 
>>> as well forget it because it's archiving and going to probably leve 
>>> it there unless you go in on the web."
>>>  
>>> I went to my Gmail account on the web and looked under settings but 
>>> couldn't find any place to cancel the archives.  I did set Mail on the Mac 
>>> as he described.  I'm trying to prevent getting the same messages twice  on 
>>> 2 different computers.  Where can I stop the archiving on my Gmail page?
>>>  
>>> TIA,
>>> Linda
>>>  
>>>  
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: DVS Movies in itunes Store

[Linda Adams]

Bryan and Kevin,

I can't help you with the I-tune store but the following link will at least 
provide a list of DVDs that should include a DVS version. It is on the WGBH web 
site, the people who record the descriptions.

http://main.wgbh.org/wgbh/pages/mag/resources/accessible-dvds.html

HTH,
Linda
On Aug 2, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:

> Hi Kevin -  I've also been wondering about where to find DVS movies. The only 
> DVS movie I was able to locate in the US itunes store is the animated film, 
> "UP." It is available for purchase only, not for rent, and costs $14.99. I 
> posted the question to the viphone list but haven't received any legitimate 
> leads yet. I also spoke with a Netflix rep who wasn't able to find any DVS 
> movies but said he would enter a request to add DVS movies and/or add a 
> search function to the Netflix site for this option.
> 
> 
> Bryan
> 
> On Aug 1, 2010, at 11:42 PM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
> 
>> HI there,
>> 
>> Does anyone know if there are movies in the iTunes store that come with 
>> descriptive video? Is there a way to tell or activate this feature with a 
>> downloaded movie? Is there a way to search the store for movies with DVS 
>> specifically. 
>> 
>> If there are described movies available, then I'm going to have a rather 
>> busy August. 
>> 
>> Kevin
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: Mail and Gmail

[Linda Adams]

Darcy,

Thanks much.  I'll check it out.

Linda

On Aug 1, 2010, at 12:57 AM, Darcy Burnard wrote:

> Hi Linda.  Are you using imap with gmail?  If you are, I'd suggest reading 
> this excellent article from tidbits.
> http://db.tidbits.com/article/10253
> When I was setting up gmail, it made things much clearer.
> Darcy
> 
> On 2010-07-31, at 8:29 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> There was a posting yesterday from Thomas saying:
>>> "It depends on your Gmail settings.  If you have archiving turned off 
>>> on the given Gmail account you should be able to go to accounts in 
>>> preferences select the given account in the table if you have more 
>>> than one account, then I believe click the Advanced tab and there is a 
>>> remove from server function that you can click.
>>> If you have archiving turned on in your Gmail account though, you may 
>>> as well forget it because it's archiving and going to probably leve 
>>> it there unless you go in on the web."
>>>  
>>> I went to my Gmail account on the web and looked under settings but 
>>> couldn't find any place to cancel the archives.  I did set Mail on the Mac 
>>> as he described.  I'm trying to prevent getting the same messages twice  on 
>>> 2 different computers.  Where can I stop the archiving on my Gmail page?
>>>  
>>> TIA,
>>> Linda
>>>  
>>>  
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Mail and Gmail

[Linda Adams]

> Hi everyone,
> There was a posting yesterday from Thomas saying:
> "It depends on your Gmail settings.  If you have archiving turned off 
> on the given Gmail account you should be able to go to accounts in 
> preferences select the given account in the table if you have more 
> than one account, then I believe click the Advanced tab and there is a 
> remove from server function that you can click.
> If you have archiving turned on in your Gmail account though, you may 
> as well forget it because it's archiving and going to probably leve 
> it there unless you go in on the web."
>  
> I went to my Gmail account on the web and looked under settings but couldn't 
> find any place to cancel the archives.  I did set Mail on the Mac as he 
> described.  I'm trying to prevent getting the same messages twice  on 2 
> different computers.  Where can I stop the archiving on my Gmail page?
>  
> TIA,
> Linda
>  
>  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

RE: status menus messed up

[Linda Adams]

Josh,

Here is a setting that will let you check the time and date with a
simple 2 key command instead of using the Status Menu.
I got this from a posting from Ricardo Walker.  It works great.

Open up Voiceover utility with VO F8.  
Interact, arrow down to commanders, then stop interacting.  
VO right arrow to the keyboard tab, select it with VO spacebar.  
VO right arrow once more and you will reach a check box labeled "enable
Keyboard commander", check this with VO spacebar.  
Right arrow to the Okay button and press VO space bar.
VO left arrow back to commanders.  
Interact, arrow up to General, then stop interacting.  
VO right arrow until you reach a checked labeled "allow voiceover to be
controlled by applescripts" and check it with VO space bar.  
Now to check the date and time you press the right option key with the
letter T.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: status menus messed up


Hi
Somehow I messed up voiceover. when I'm in mail and press arrow keys to
edit my message up and down arrow move me by character and left and
right move me up and down lines. Also in the status menu control f8
menus I cannot hit left arrow over to clock. it just beeps at me. I
wonder what I did to cause this? 
  
Josh Kennedy
jkenn...@gmail.com


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to
macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send
email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3039 - Release Date: 07/30/10
13:13:00


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

RE: Vo no longer reading characters

[Linda Adams]

Carrie,

In case you didn't see Chris' response to Josh on the same issue, you
probably have Quick Nav turned on.  To turn it off, press the left and
right arrows at the same time.  
I am uncertain if this will also solve your problem with Tables. If
not,, you can re-post.

HTH,
Linda


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kary johns
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 5:07 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Vo no longer reading characters


Hoping someone can help hear.
I'm not shore what's happening, so I'll try to explain as best I  can.
I turned my Mac on this morning to find that  voiceover  won't read by
letter's when I use the left and right arrow keys, it will only read by
words.
Also using  tables seamsbe acting strangely, but I cant quite pin
point how.
I think I've turned something on  or off by mistake, but can't for the
life of me work out what r how to fix it. The only way I can get it to
read by letter's is to hold down shift vo command  and then press left
or right arrow, I used to be able to just use the arrow keys on there
own in text edit to read by letter. The arrow keys just aren't acting
like the usually would. It's incredably frustrating torying to work like
this.  Everything in voiceover utilities seams to be set rite. Does
anyone no what I might have done? Thanks for any help, Kari.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to
macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send
email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3039 - Release Date: 07/30/10
13:13:00


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: mail navigation questions

[Linda Adams]

Scott,

I haven't done this myself, but here are some instructions for removing the 
preview pane from Anne Robertson, a frequent and helpful contributor to this 
list.

Navigate to the horizontal splitter above the message body
Bring the mouse to the VO cursor  (VO command F5)
Double click with the physical mouse.

I haven't gotten a handle on clicking the mouse so if you need directions on 
this, let the list know and I'm certain someone else will step up to the plate.

Linda

On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Scott E. Ford wrote:

> Thank you so much Linda,
>   Man that makes such a differntce.  As I was making the changes I 
> discovered the message area.  When I last used mail I was able to get rid of 
> that area, would you happen to know how to colaps or get rid of the pain?  
> Thank you.
> Sincerely,
> Scott
> On Jul 29, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> To reverse your messages so the newest will be at the top, arrow over to the 
>> date column and press VO shift backslash.
>> 
>> To get to the top of your message list, press shift-function-VO and the left 
>> arrow.  To get to the bottom use shift-function-VO and the right arrow.
>> 
>> I wish that deleting the messages from Mail would delete them off the Gmail 
>> web site, but it doesn't.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> Linda
>> 
>> On Jul 29, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Scott E. Ford wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Scott   I really enjoy the mail application on the Mac.  I have a bit 
>>> of trouble navigating the mail message table with my Macbook pro though.  I 
>>> would like to reverse the way the messages are sorted, so that the newest 
>>> messages are on top, rather than on the bottom.  I also cannot seem to 
>>> figure out how to get to the bottom of the table, holding the fn key and 
>>> arrow keys does not seem to work for going to the end and page down.  I am 
>>> using Gmail and I cannot seem to get a grasp on how to delete messages.  I 
>>> love the fact that I can just hit the backspace key and it goes away, 
>>> however this does not seem to truly delete the message, even if I purge the 
>>> messages.  Would someone have an explination?  Finally I cannot efficiently 
>>> use the spell checker.  Could someone help me with these questions, or 
>>> direct me to a tutorial that may explane how to work through my questions?
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> For more options, visit this group at 
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at 
>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Re: mail navigation questions

[Linda Adams]

Scott,

To reverse your messages so the newest will be at the top, arrow over to the 
date column and press VO shift backslash.

To get to the top of your message list, press shift-function-VO and the left 
arrow.  To get to the bottom use shift-function-VO and the right arrow.

I wish that deleting the messages from Mail would delete them off the Gmail web 
site, but it doesn't.

HTH,
Linda

On Jul 29, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Scott E. Ford wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> Sincerely,
> Scott I really enjoy the mail application on the Mac.  I have a bit of 
> trouble navigating the mail message table with my Macbook pro though.  I 
> would like to reverse the way the messages are sorted, so that the newest 
> messages are on top, rather than on the bottom.  I also cannot seem to figure 
> out how to get to the bottom of the table, holding the fn key and arrow keys 
> does not seem to work for going to the end and page down.  I am using Gmail 
> and I cannot seem to get a grasp on how to delete messages.  I love the fact 
> that I can just hit the backspace key and it goes away, however this does not 
> seem to truly delete the message, even if I purge the messages.  Would 
> someone have an explination?  Finally I cannot efficiently use the spell 
> checker.  Could someone help me with these questions, or direct me to a 
> tutorial that may explane how to work through my questions?
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

RE: Safari troubles, when navigating to a previous page

[Linda Adams]

Barry,

Very helpful information.  You have saved me a lot of time spent getting
back to where I had been on a previous page.

Thanks much,
Linda


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hadder
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Safari troubles, when navigating to a previous page


Hello,

I find it helpful to open a link in a new tab with command-enter.  When
I close the tab with command-w, I am always back where I was on the
prior page.

On Jul 14, 2010, at 11:18 AM, Alfredo wrote:

> I have a question on safari.  Again, I know VO is not jaws, but I 
> can't help but make comparisons, since it will serve to understand my 
> question.  When I use jaws, and am using internet explorer, it 
> remembers where I last was on the previous page.  For example, when I 
> am navigating on the list of emails I received, on gmail.com, when I 
> click on an email I receive it will go to that page.  Then if I press,
> alt+left arrow, to go back a page, on the page where my email is
> displaying, I would go back to the the link I had clicked on the 
> previous page.  On safari, every time I go back a page, I am left at 
> the top of the page.  Does anyone else get bother by this?  This makes

> it so I have to use more navigation to get where I was at, or for 
> searching on Google, tedious to go back a page and having to press the

> down arrow, with quick mode on, several times, to get back to the next

> result of the Google search results.  Anyone have any suggestions on 
> how to change this if possible, so that VO will remember where I was 
> if I go back a previous page? Thanks, Alfred.
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3004 - Release Date: 07/14/10
06:36:00


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

RE: finding next occurance of search text?

[Linda Adams]

Chris,
You can also use VO shift G to go  backwards to a previous occurrence.

Linda
 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Westbrook
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 3:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: finding next occurance of search text?


Thanks, I didn't see that in the command help menu.  I figured there had
to be a way haha. On Jul 17, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> VO-g will do it.
> 
> Teresa
> On Jul 17, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Chris Westbrook wrote:
> 
>> It seems like this should be such an automatic feature of screen 
>> readers, but I can't find the equivalent in jaws of hitting f3 to 
>> find the next occurrence of text that you had searched for with 
>> control option f.  I thought it said controloption enter does that, 
>> but when I do this nothing happens.  What am I missing?
>> 
>> --
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>> 
> 
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3011 - Release Date: 07/17/10
06:35:00


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

RE: Voiceover training manuals

[Linda Adams]

How about doing one on Skype?


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Ballard-Ridley
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 8:23 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Voiceover training manuals


Hi all

I am currently in the process of writing a comprehensive database of
Voiceover for the mac. i am looking to make these manuals freely
available through a number of outlets. i have already written manuals
for the majority of the standard Apple apps that come with the OS but i
am also looking to write manuals for frequently used 3rd party apps. if
any of you can think of some manuals that you would like for apps that
you commonly use, would you be so kind as to let me know  either through
this list or a direct message. kind regards

Scott Ballard-Ridley

Twitter: scottballardrid

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to
macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send
email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3006 - Release Date: 07/15/10
02:26:00


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

RE: Gestures on Multi-Touch trackpad.

[Linda Adams]

James,
 
Here is the link to the full guide
http://www.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/
and here is the link to the Appendix that has the gesture commands
http://www.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/_1131.html
 
The guide is not all inclusive but it is very helpful.
 
Linda
 
 -Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 9:18 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Gestures on Multi-Touch trackpad.


Hi, 

Consult the VoiceOVer manual. They're all in there.

Regards,
Nic

Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com
Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/chojiro> 
Twitter <http://www.twitter.com/chojiro> 
Skype: Kvalme
MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
Yahoo! Messenger: cin368
AIM: cincinster

On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Chris Moore wrote:


The ones I know (I use my iMac more then my macbook) flick left or right
to move back and forth.  Two fingers down swipe to read all. 

3 fingers down swipe up and down to move up and down a page.  2 finger
double tap at the bottom of the pad for the dock.  2 finger double tap
at the top of the pad for the menu.

Use 2 fingers and turn for the rota settings.

2 finger double tap on the left middle for open applications and 2
finger double tap on the right middle for open windows.

Sorry to anyone in advance if I have left stuff out and made a mistake,
like I say I have not got into gestures much yet.

Hope this helps though 

Chris 

On 23 Jun 2010, at 13:52, James Gallagher wrote:


Hello to all on the List.

hope that all are well.

Yesterday I bought my first MacBook pro 13inch 13inch 2.66GHz (Intel
Core 2 Duo, 4Gb RAM, 320Gb 

Been using a Mac for coming up for three Years since Leopard got Braille
support built in to it.

And a very Happy Mac user. with an iMac and three Mac Minis.

My Question and help I need is can anyone please give me any info about
using VoiceOver Gestures on Multi-Touch trackpad.

I read here that many of you use podt casts to learn from others about
this. 
I am a Deafblind person so these things are no good to me.

is there a good and helpful text document out there that I can read
and learn all the thinks I can do with this great little trackpad.

I would be very grateful for any info or help Please.

all the very best to you all.

Yours
James



The highest result of education is tolerance.
Hellen Keller
--
James Gallagher

A-Z to Deafblindness <http://www.deafblind.com
<http://www.deafblind.com/> >
A Deafblindness Web Resource <http://www.deafblind.co.uk
<http://www.deafblind.co.uk/> >
Learn more about Braille Chess at <http://www.BrailleChess.com
<http://www.BrailleChess.net/> >
My Guide Dogs <http://www.wilma.co.uk <http://www.wilma.co.uk/> >
For the Sighted Hearing my WAP site is at <http://tagtag.com/deafblind>


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.




-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.439 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2957 - Release Date: 06/23/10
06:36:00


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

RE: New window versus new tab

[Linda Adams]

Chris,

Yes, your explanation was very good.  BTW, I've been using
command-accent to cycle through windows.  Since I've gotten used to
that, I guess I'll stick with it.

Linda


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:40 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New window versus new tab


Ok I can appreciate why this might be confusing.  For myself when I was
sighted a few months ago I always preferred tabs as it visually keeps
the desktop tidy and keeps all your safari windows in one place.  Plus
if I was on several different websites such as Amazon or Play i could
quickly compare prices between the two sites instead of having to keep
moving open windows around.

As a blind user now I guess it just comes down to what you are used to
and comfortable with  With tabs I can quickly cycle through them with
Control + TAB.  But equally so with open windows you can VO+F2 and then
select the window from the list.

So there is no right or wrong way, I would just say for a sighted person
I think most people would prefer tabs.

Does this answer your question?

Chris 
On 23 Jun 2010, at 23:24, Linda Adams wrote:

> Chris and others,
> 
> I need a simple basic explanation of the difference (in Safari) 
> between opening a new window with command N versus opening a new tab 
> with command T. Are they used differently in some way?
> 
> TIA,
> Linda
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:17 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Have a question on selecting multiple item and navigating

> by form field and text
> 
> 
> In the voice utility VO+F8 you can activate sounds and this will give 
> you an indication when a web page has loaded.  This will save you from

> having to use the auto speak tor page summary read out when a web page

> is loaded.
> 
> Quick Nav is toggled on and off by pressing left and right together.
> 
> To open a new tab, press command + T
> To cycle through the open tabs select  Control + Tab
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> If you want to send apple any feedback go to www.apple.com/feedback 
> and you can also write to accessibil...@apple.com
> 
> Hope this helps
> On 23 Jun 2010, at 07:58, Alfredo wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for verifying my suspicion that having the page read
>> automatically made me not land on an edit field automatically.  This 
>> will help me tremendously as I am an avid internet user and do not 
>> need to know if a page is loaded or not.  Although, it would be nice 
>> to have an audio feedback when the page loads, or the option to set
on
> 
>> instead of having the page be read automatically upon opening. 
>> Jumping
> 
>> by element would be a great feature, a time saver, and I believe it 
>> is
> 
>> needed, I will write about about this.  I did not know that you could
>> browse the web with such ease using quick nave, you activate quick 
>> nave by pressing the up arrow key in conjunction with the down arrow 
>> key right?  Thanks for the command VO + J, to jump to the text edit 
>> field, I did not this existed as the starting guide has not told me
or
> 
>> did not tell me, or explained this.  Even greater thanks for the
>> suggestion to click command + L, then VO + right arrow, twice, to get

>> to do a Google search.  Do you know if this will open a new tab, or 
>> will it just replace the webpage I am on?  Is the control
>> + option +T command used in voice over or in jaws?
>> Thanks,
>> alfredo
>> 
>> --
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
> Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.

>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>> 
> 
> 
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
> Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at 
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.439 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2957 - Release Date:
06/23/10
> 06:36:00
> 
> 
> --
> Y

New window versus new tab

[Linda Adams]

Chris and others,

I need a simple basic explanation of the difference (in Safari) between
opening a new window with command N versus opening a new tab with
command T.
Are they used differently in some way?

TIA,
Linda


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:17 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Have a question on selecting multiple item and navigating
by form field and text


In the voice utility VO+F8 you can activate sounds and this will give
you an indication when a web page has loaded.  This will save you from
having to use the auto speak tor page summary read out when a web page
is loaded.

Quick Nav is toggled on and off by pressing left and right together.

To open a new tab, press command + T
To cycle through the open tabs select  Control + Tab 

Hope this helps.

If you want to send apple any feedback go to www.apple.com/feedback and
you can also write to accessibil...@apple.com

Hope this helps 
On 23 Jun 2010, at 07:58, Alfredo wrote:

> Thanks for verifying my suspicion that having the page read 
> automatically made me not land on an edit field automatically.  This 
> will help me tremendously as I am an avid internet user and do not 
> need to know if a page is loaded or not.  Although, it would be nice 
> to have an audio feedback when the page loads, or the option to set on

> instead of having the page be read automatically upon opening. Jumping

> by element would be a great feature, a time saver, and I believe it is

> needed, I will write about about this.  I did not know that you could 
> browse the web with such ease using quick nave, you activate quick 
> nave by pressing the up arrow key in conjunction with the down arrow 
> key right?  Thanks for the command VO + J, to jump to the text edit 
> field, I did not this existed as the starting guide has not told me or

> did not tell me, or explained this.  Even greater thanks for the 
> suggestion to click command + L, then VO + right arrow, twice, to get 
> to do a Google search.  Do you know if this will open a new tab, or 
> will it just replace the webpage I am on?  Is the control
> + option +T command used in voice over or in jaws?
> Thanks,
> alfredo
> 
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 8.5.439 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2957 - Release Date: 06/23/10
06:36:00


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

RE: VoiceOver and Apple Script

[Linda Adams]

Fonzie,

In addition to checking scripts, my "cheat sheet" also says the keyboard
commander in VO utilities has to be "enabled." 

HTH
Linda

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fonzie
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 9:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: VoiceOver and Apple Script


Hey all, I hope everyone is well.

Been  a while since I have posted to the list.

Anywho, a friend of mine recently got a mac, and he go the new mac, with
the wireless keyboard and mouse.

Everything was set up fine, but when I told him he could get the time by
using Option + T while voiceover was running, the command did not work.

I made sure to have him check the "Allow VoiceOver to be controlled by
AppleScript" in the VoiceOver Utility, but still no dice.

Any idea as to why this is not working as it should?

I know it iis an apple script, but as I remember it, when I loaded Snow
Leopard, my scripts worked out of the box.

Help is appreciated if you have experienced this issue before, or have
some general direction of what I could have him do.

Thanks.

Take care.

Fonzie

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to
macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send
email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 8.5.439 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2956 - Release Date: 06/22/10
18:36:00


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Safari 5 and Headers

[Linda Adams]

Hi folks,
 
I am using Quick Nav on my Macbook with Snow Leopard.  I noticed today
that as I browsed a web site using headers, sometimes I could use the
right arrow to read the content under the header and sometimes I had to
stop interacting with the header in order to read the content.  Has
anyone else noticed this and is Safari 5 probably causing it?  I've
never had to stop interacting with a header previously.
 
TIA 
Linda
 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

RE: Turning off the Trackpad

[Linda Adams]

Ana,
 
When the trackpad is on, you can hold down the VO keys and rotate 2
fingers counter-clockwise to turn it off.
When  you want to turn it back on, hold down the VO keys and rotate 2
fingers clockwise.
 
 
Linda
 
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ana G
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 5:25 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Turning off the Trackpad


Hi all,
 
How do you turn off the trackpad on a MacBook Pro? I keep touching it
accidentally, and unexpected things happen. I'm up for only one learning
curve at a time.
 
Thanks.
 
Ciao

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2934 - Release Date: 06/13/10
06:35:00


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

RE: Finder Question

[Linda Adams]

Thanks.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 6:47 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Finder Question


Thre's an easier way.

1. open a folder, any folder with in finder, 2 choose what you want it
to do. if you want table mode press command 2. if you want browser mode
hit command 3.

Thas is much easier to so as it will stick.

S
On Jun 7, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Linda Adams wrote:

> I have a question about the following excerpt from Chapter 3. Learning

> Mac OS X Basics in the Voiceover Getting Guide.
>  
> First, here is the excerpt:
> To set a default view for new Finder windows, choose Finder > 
> Preferences, click General, and then select a view from the pop-up
menu.
>  
> Now my question- I tried following these instructions and could not 
> locate the "General".  Right now I am using the list view and want to
use that on all finder windows.
>  
> Here is what I did:
> I pressed Command comma for the finder preferences
> From there I tried looking everywhere but can't find "General" I did 
> find a "New Finders Window" pop up button I pressed VO space and down 
> arrowed to "Other" From there I did a right arrow and selected "list 
> mode" then I backed my way out.
>  
> So, will that set the default for new finder windows?
>  
> TIA,
> Linda
>  
>  
> 
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to
macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send
email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2926 - Release Date: 06/08/10
18:35:00


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

Finder Question

[Linda Adams]

I have a question about the following excerpt from Chapter 3. Learning
Mac OS X Basics in the Voiceover Getting Guide.
 
First, here is the excerpt:
To set a default view for new Finder windows, choose Finder >
Preferences, click General, and then select a view from the pop-up menu.
 
Now my question- I tried following these instructions and could not
locate the "General".  Right now I am using the list view and want to
use that on all finder windows.
 
Here is what I did:
I pressed Command comma for the finder preferences
>From there I tried looking everywhere but can't find "General"
I did find a "New Finders Window" pop up button
I pressed VO space and down arrowed to "Other"
>From there I did a right arrow and selected "list mode"
then I backed my way out.
 
So, will that set the default for new finder windows?
 
TIA,
Linda
 
 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

RE: for clarence, dom and group explanation and exercises was Re: script to change between dom and group?

[Linda Adams]

Ditto many times over!
 
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:07 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: for clarence, dom and group explanation and exercises was
Re: script to change between dom and group?


Erik:
This was a very nice clarification, and it is much appreciated.
Thanks for laying this out.
 
Carolyn
CH:)-- Original Message - 

From: erik   burggraaf 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 5:55 AM
Subject: for clarence, dom and group explanation and exercises was Re:
script to change between dom and group?

Hi,  Dom and group are different approaches for navigating html areas
like web pages.

Dom mode is similar to what you would see when viewing a page using a
windows screen reader.  Each item on the page, whether it be a link, a
button, a block of text, or whatever is placed one below the other
according to the screen reader at least.  Dom is easiest for beginners
because it only presents one link or button or piece of text at a time
for your consideration.

Group mode arranges the page as a sighted person would see it, with
areas for different pieces of information, and all columns and tables
laid out properly.  This is better for advanced users because it will
for example, present you a table in rows and columns as it was meant to
be.  It will also present you things such as all the links in the site
navigation bar at once.  So, if you don't want any of the links from the
sight navigation bar, you can leave it with one keypress.  You get more
information at once and you can skip through the information more
quickly to find what you want.

If you want to see the difference for yourself, visit
http://www.erik-burggraaf.com.  This is a small web page with very good
accessibility features.  

To switch between dom and group, press vo f8 to open the voiceover
utility.
Press w or arrow down to web.
Press tab once and you will be on the radio buttons for dom or group.
Use the up and down arrows to choose the mode you want and press command
q to close the vo utility.
After you make the switch, refresh the page, command r.  Your not
supposed to have to do this, but I'm a bit supersticious about it.

 Try the home page in dom mode, then try it in group.  Notice that not
only is access to the information easier in group, but yu actually seem
to have more information in group.  Of course that's not the case, you
just have to spend more effort to find the info in dom than you do ing
group.

Then click the list of authorized resellers.  Suppose you only wanted
contact info for the resellers that work with me.  Assuming you are in
group mode, navigate to the first column of the table, and then  vo down
the symbols until you find the first gold star.  Then vo right to see
that company's name and contact info.  Similarly, if you want to check a
particular company to see if they work with me, you would vo up and down
the list of company names until you found the one you wanted, then vo
left to see if it has a blue arrow or a gold star.  If you switch back
to dom mode now and refresh the page, you will no longer be able to vo
up and down the columns.  You'll have to sift through every piece of
info about every vender until you find the information you are looking
for.

Have fun,

Erik Burggraaf
http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
888-255-5194

On 2010-05-27, at 2:22 AM, clarence griffin wrote:

> what is dom? sorry for the ignorant question? and for that matter,
what's group mode?
> 
> GF
> 
> 
> On May 24, 2010, at 4:54 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi, Is there such a thing as a voiceover script to switch between dom
and group mode?  That would be extrordinarily useful since it seems
adium will not support group mode soon if ever.
>> 
>> I'd write it myself if I knew how.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> Join me Wednesday, May 26th at CNIB Tech Aids fair in Toronto.  I'll
be at the assistive computing booth from 2 to 4 in the afternoon and
circulating for the rest of the day.
>> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>> 888-255-5194
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
>> 
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
> 

-- 
You received this message because you ar

RE: safari questions

[Linda Adams]

Max,

The original question wasn't mine but I really appreciate learning this
keystroke, command enter.
On the same note, if I want to keep a web page open and open another one
from my bookmark bar, for example, how can I do that?  Right now the
second one replaces the former page.  I can get back to the former page
easy enough but sometimes I want to toggle back and forth between 2 or
more pages, keeping all of them open at the same time.

TIA,
Linda


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Ivey Jr.
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:51 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: safari questions


Hello;  As i understand it the results depend more on what the creater  
of the website did than it is safari's doing.  some sites it will  
bring me back to the same spot, but others it returns me to the top of  
the previous page.  for this reason I use command enter to open the  
link as a new page.  Then when i click command w to close that window  
I'm right back where i was. hope that helps, Max
On May 27, 2010, at 7:56 AM, Frank Carmickle wrote:

> Hello all
>
> I sent a note in another thread about safari but I probably should
> of sent it in a new thread.
>
> I am wondering about safari and it's handling of the back button.   
> Is it normal to not be returned to the link that you clicked?   
> Sometimes I am but it seems less now then months ago when I first
> started using safari.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> --Frank
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google  
> Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en 
> .
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2900 - Release Date: 05/27/10
18:30:00


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.

RE: Rewinding in Itunes

[Linda Adams]

Esther and Alison,

Thanks for the information.
Linda


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Rewinding in Itunes


Hi Linda,

Allison is correct; it's easier to control rewind and fast forward  
when you've downloaded an mp3 file and play it in iTunes instead of  
playing it in Safari, although someone else might like to comment on  
this.  Cara wrote up  instructions for playing mp3 files in earlier  
versions of Safari and the OS, where you interacted with the HTML area  
and routed your mouse cursor to the VoiceOver focus, then clicked (VO- 
Shift Space or a physical click with trackpad or mouse).  At that time  
(a year ago) you could use space bar to play/pause and Command-Left  
Arrow to rewind.  If you want to experiment with this, I think you now  
have multiple control locations on which to click once you interact  
with the HTML page for muting, play/pause, rewind and fast forward.   
At least, if you VO-Right Arrow through you'll find these spots.   
Cara's old article on "Keyboard Control of Streaming Content" can be  
found at maccessibility.net:
<http://maccessibility.net/guides/mac-os-x-applications/safari/keyboard-
control-of-streaming-content/ 
 >

I usually force a download of a linked file by pressing Option 
+Return.  That works for all linked files (not just MP3 files) without
having to bring up a context menu.  Remember that if you go to the  
Blind Cool Tech web site that you should interact first on the link  
before downloading. If you're looking for a recent podcast, you might  
consider going to their RSS feed page instead:
<http://www.blindcooltech.com/bct.xml>
That page loads much faster, uses less resources in VoiceOver, and you  
don't have to interact with the links first.  As long as you're  
looking for one of the last 40 podcasts, this site is easier to use.

Another point: all the newer keyboards (meaning, about the last three  
years) have media control keys for playback and volume in the top  
row.  These let you control playback even when iTunes, or another  
player, is playing in the background and another application has focus  
(e.g., you're listening to music as you read your mail ).  Hold  
down the Fn key in combination with these keys:
Fn+F7 = rewind
Fn+F8 = play/pause
Fn+F9 = fast forward
Use the media control keys together with the system volume control keys:
Fn+F10 = mute/unmute
Fn+F11 = lower volume
Fn+F12 = raise volume

Holding down F7 while you press the Fn key will rewind through a  
track; tapping F7 while you press Fn will move you to previous tracks  
in your playlist or in the songs table.  Holding down F9 while you  
press the Fn key advances you in your track; tapping F9 while your  
press the Fn key moves you to the next tracks in the songs table.

The media keys work with other media apps, as well -- e.g., VLC, DVD  
player, QuickTime.  Incidentally, for anyone who is using a Bluetooth  
or Keyboard Dock with an iPad, the same keys at the top of the  
keyboard control playback and volume (without an Fn key).  (On the  
Keyboard Dock, there is an extra "Home" button at the start of the top  
row at the far left, but the media control keys are in the same place.)

I'll also note that on the iPad, you can go to the Blind Cool Tech web  
page or feed, start the MP3 file playing (just as you do in Safari),  
and have full control of rewind or advance (by touching the slider and  
adjusting position in the playing track).  Just another instance (like  
Allison's question about rearranging bookmarks) where it's pretty easy  
to work accessibly with these files; I find it easier to reorder  
bookmarks in Safari on my iPad or iPod Touch since I the reordered  
bookmarks get synced back to my Mac through MobileMe.

HTH. Cheers,

Esther

On May 25, 2010, at 18:21, Allison Manzino wrote:

> Hey Linda,
>
> THe only way I've been able to rewind and fastforward is to download
> the podcast first and then rewind or fastforward in Itunes. I  
> learned this tip from MacVisionaries. I forget who helped me with  
> this one. I think it was Ester or Dan. But to download an mp3 you  
> hit return and shift, it will start to download  the file. I hope  
> that helps.
>
> Allison
>
> On May 25, 2010, at 10:35 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
>
>> I have wanted to view some of the Mac Demo podcasts on the Blind Cool

>> Tech web site.  I open it in Safari and can pause it and check the
>> time
>> viewed/remaining but have not been able to rewind or fast forward.
>> Command-option-arrow keys did not work with viewing it on Safari.  I
>> tried it with Quick Nav off and it still didn't work.
>>
>> I'd appreciate help w