Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
throwing up over spec and >>>>> performance, you really need to ask yourself what you're going to be >>>>> doing with it, I find my Air faster than my MBP 15in, which I had as a >>>>> late 2010 model with full processor upgrade, I think a 2.9Ghz i7 with 4Gb >>>>> of RAM. but you see most of what I do is word processing, e-mail and >>>>> internet, oh and iTunes / watching DVD's. >>>>> >>>>> I carry my MBA all around the world with me, leaving the super drive in >>>>> hotel rooms or my carry on in a plane if its a long flight. >>>>> >>>>> I personally think its really the way to go if you're seriously looking >>>>> to lighten the load. >>>>> >>>>> there is an InCase sleeve for the 11in and 13in available from the Apple >>>>> online store, I use this and think its great... for whoever asked that >>>>> question. >>>>> >>>>> HTH. >>>>> >>>>> Neil Barnfather. >>>>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 20:29, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Mika, >>>>> >>>>> I believe there's a program called DVD Remaster that does that, though I >>>>> haven't tried it. In the long-term, your definitely right, I suspect >>>>> there'll come a time not all that far off when having a DVD drive will >>>>> seem as obsolete as having a floppy drive does now. But for me anyway, >>>>> that time hasn't quite arrived yet. But, as with Chris's mention of the >>>>> lack of an SD card slot, this is a question of personal preference and >>>>> usage. >>>>> >>>>> The processor question is a tricky one. The processor on the MBA is >>>>> slower than that on the MBP. But the solid state drive should make up >>>>> for a lot of the difference there. >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Donna >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 1:15 PM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> As for a DVD drive, is it easy say to copy a movie over to the hard >>>>>> drive of say a MacBook Air, so that you don't need a DVD drive on the >>>>>> road? >>>>>> >>>>>> I just am thinking of this as software increasingly moves to being >>>>>> acquired through a platform like the Mac app store. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm just not sure, for me, why it would be important now a days to have >>>>>> a built in DVD drive? >>>>>> >>>>>> Things like the processor, sound, etc. are more important in the uses I >>>>>> would tend to have. I'm not sure also on the MBA that just came out how >>>>>> much of an improvement the processor is, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> BTW I now have the 11 inch MBA (the model just before the most recent >>>>>> release), bought in early 2011. I still found I mostly used Jaws, >>>>>> mainly because I'm still more efficient browsing the web under Jaws and >>>>>> for Qwitter, though I have not really spent the necessary time to learn >>>>>> the Mac ways of doing things. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> mika >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:05 PM >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey Chris, >>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, the lack of memory card is no big deal for me, I tend to use a USB >>>>>> drive most of the time. The one that gets me is the lack of a DVD drive. >>>>>> >>>>>> That 11-inch Air is *really calling my name. I would have given >>>>>> anything to have it while I was in Hawaii last week, the MBP was just >>>>>> big enough that I didn't feel like hauling it on the plane and all. I >>>>>> can see why you're sticking with the MBP, though - it's definitely the >>&g
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
ainst the 13in MBP, I think less so. >>>>> >>>>> you do have the bass issue and if you like your tones, not just music but >>>>> Alex etc to have that depth it might make you think, but I find that once >>>>> I sit down in front of it, unless I'm working with my iMac along side the >>>>> Air, which I do every now and then, you'll not notice it. >>>>> >>>>> Looking at this DVD business, lets see, presumably you're not watching >>>>> DVD's in the class room etc, so why not just leave the USB drive for that >>>>> in your hotel etc, I've seen you state that this lack of a DVD drive is a >>>>> real issue, but only as you seem to watch films, well as someone else has >>>>> said, a lot of it is downloadable now, you can also rip them, and >>>>> finally, if you're like me, why should I pay to download something I own >>>>> on disk, spend the additional $80 and get the super drive... leave it in >>>>> your hotel room and you're good to go. >>>>> >>>>> I use my Air for everything when I'm not at a desk, and my iMac if I am. >>>>> >>>>> The issue that a lot of folk seem to be throwing up over spec and >>>>> performance, you really need to ask yourself what you're going to be >>>>> doing with it, I find my Air faster than my MBP 15in, which I had as a >>>>> late 2010 model with full processor upgrade, I think a 2.9Ghz i7 with 4Gb >>>>> of RAM. but you see most of what I do is word processing, e-mail and >>>>> internet, oh and iTunes / watching DVD's. >>>>> >>>>> I carry my MBA all around the world with me, leaving the super drive in >>>>> hotel rooms or my carry on in a plane if its a long flight. >>>>> >>>>> I personally think its really the way to go if you're seriously looking >>>>> to lighten the load. >>>>> >>>>> there is an InCase sleeve for the 11in and 13in available from the Apple >>>>> online store, I use this and think its great... for whoever asked that >>>>> question. >>>>> >>>>> HTH. >>>>> >>>>> Neil Barnfather. >>>>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 20:29, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Mika, >>>>> >>>>> I believe there's a program called DVD Remaster that does that, though I >>>>> haven't tried it. In the long-term, your definitely right, I suspect >>>>> there'll come a time not all that far off when having a DVD drive will >>>>> seem as obsolete as having a floppy drive does now. But for me anyway, >>>>> that time hasn't quite arrived yet. But, as with Chris's mention of the >>>>> lack of an SD card slot, this is a question of personal preference and >>>>> usage. >>>>> >>>>> The processor question is a tricky one. The processor on the MBA is >>>>> slower than that on the MBP. But the solid state drive should make up >>>>> for a lot of the difference there. >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Donna >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 1:15 PM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> As for a DVD drive, is it easy say to copy a movie over to the hard >>>>>> drive of say a MacBook Air, so that you don't need a DVD drive on the >>>>>> road? >>>>>> >>>>>> I just am thinking of this as software increasingly moves to being >>>>>> acquired through a platform like the Mac app store. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm just not sure, for me, why it would be important now a days to have >>>>>> a built in DVD drive? >>>>>> >>>>>> Things like the processor, sound, etc. are more important in the uses I >>>>>> would tend to have. I'm not sure also on the MBA that just came out how >>>>>> much of an improvement the processor is, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> BTW I now have the 11 inch MBA (the model just before the most recent >>>>>> release), bought in early 2011. I still found I mostly used Jaws, >>>>>> mainly because I'm still more efficient browsing the web under Jaws and >>&g
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
;>>> I carry my MBA all around the world with me, leaving the super drive in >>>> hotel rooms or my carry on in a plane if its a long flight. >>>> >>>> I personally think its really the way to go if you're seriously looking to >>>> lighten the load. >>>> >>>> there is an InCase sleeve for the 11in and 13in available from the Apple >>>> online store, I use this and think its great... for whoever asked that >>>> question. >>>> >>>> HTH. >>>> >>>> Neil Barnfather. >>>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 20:29, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Mika, >>>> >>>> I believe there's a program called DVD Remaster that does that, though I >>>> haven't tried it. In the long-term, your definitely right, I suspect >>>> there'll come a time not all that far off when having a DVD drive will >>>> seem as obsolete as having a floppy drive does now. But for me anyway, >>>> that time hasn't quite arrived yet. But, as with Chris's mention of the >>>> lack of an SD card slot, this is a question of personal preference and >>>> usage. >>>> >>>> The processor question is a tricky one. The processor on the MBA is >>>> slower than that on the MBP. But the solid state drive should make up for >>>> a lot of the difference there. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Donna >>>> >>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 1:15 PM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote: >>>> >>>>> As for a DVD drive, is it easy say to copy a movie over to the hard drive >>>>> of say a MacBook Air, so that you don't need a DVD drive on the road? >>>>> >>>>> I just am thinking of this as software increasingly moves to being >>>>> acquired through a platform like the Mac app store. >>>>> >>>>> I'm just not sure, for me, why it would be important now a days to have a >>>>> built in DVD drive? >>>>> >>>>> Things like the processor, sound, etc. are more important in the uses I >>>>> would tend to have. I'm not sure also on the MBA that just came out how >>>>> much of an improvement the processor is, etc. >>>>> >>>>> BTW I now have the 11 inch MBA (the model just before the most recent >>>>> release), bought in early 2011. I still found I mostly used Jaws, mainly >>>>> because I'm still more efficient browsing the web under Jaws and for >>>>> Qwitter, though I have not really spent the necessary time to learn the >>>>> Mac ways of doing things. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> mika >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:05 PM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air >>>>> >>>>> Hey Chris, >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, the lack of memory card is no big deal for me, I tend to use a USB >>>>> drive most of the time. The one that gets me is the lack of a DVD drive. >>>>> >>>>> That 11-inch Air is *really calling my name. I would have given >>>>> anything to have it while I was in Hawaii last week, the MBP was just big >>>>> enough that I didn't feel like hauling it on the plane and all. I can >>>>> see why you're sticking with the MBP, though - it's definitely the more >>>>> powerful device. And I totally agree, if they ever combine the Air with >>>>> the iPad, I'd be all over it! >>>>> >>>>> I was originally thinking I'd replace the MacBook with the Air, but I >>>>> can't see going without a built-in DVD drive, at least not at this point. >>>>> So I don't know. In addition to the work stuff, I've got some more >>>>> plane travel coming up over the next few months, and it'd be nice to be >>>>> able to take the Air. I'd definitely use it, I know that, but it's a >>>>> luxury, not a necessity. Bt ... lol >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Donna >>>>>
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
Hi Anouk, Actually, the internal speaker on the MBA really isn't bad. As Neil said, it lacks some of the fullness of the speaker on the MBP, but I don't think it's unacceptable at all. And it puts out a lot of volume. I know you said you were planning to buy headphones, but thought you'd want to know that you won't have to use them unless you want to. Cheers, Donna Donna Goodin, M.A., Ph.D. Dissertation and Career Coach Phone: 734-506-8579 Email: do...@yourdonedissertation.com do...@idealpathcoaching.com Web: httP://www.yourdonedissertation.com http://www.idealpathcoaching.com On Aug 27, 2011, at 5:22 PM, anouk radix wrote: > Hi, for me the internal speaker sound isnt as much of an issue because I will > probbably buy a pair of headphones to go with it at some point, i now still > have my audio system in the living room to connect it to but am going to sell > that (funds have to come from somewhere) but then for stationary listening > use i still have a jbl onstage dock primarily for the iphone that can also be > connected via 3.5mm plug. > Greetings, Anouk, > Op 27-8-2011 20:15, Donna Goodin schreef: >> Hi Mary, >> >> You can get the 256 of storage on the 11-inch, and that's what I got. And >> yeah, it is expensive. Still not sure if I'm going to keep it, or just live >> with lugging around my MBP. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> On Aug 27, 2011, at 1:58 PM, Mary Otten wrote: >> >>> So, Donna, you got the 13 inch MBA? I ask because you mentioned getting the >>> 256 gb of storage, and I thought that was only on the 13 inch. That is one >>> expensive upgrade for the 128 to the 256 gb of storage! >>> >>> Mary >>> >>> Mary Otten >>> motte...@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
Hi, for me the internal speaker sound isnt as much of an issue because I will probbably buy a pair of headphones to go with it at some point, i now still have my audio system in the living room to connect it to but am going to sell that (funds have to come from somewhere) but then for stationary listening use i still have a jbl onstage dock primarily for the iphone that can also be connected via 3.5mm plug. Greetings, Anouk, Op 27-8-2011 20:15, Donna Goodin schreef: Hi Mary, You can get the 256 of storage on the 11-inch, and that's what I got. And yeah, it is expensive. Still not sure if I'm going to keep it, or just live with lugging around my MBP. Cheers, Donna On Aug 27, 2011, at 1:58 PM, Mary Otten wrote: So, Donna, you got the 13 inch MBA? I ask because you mentioned getting the 256 gb of storage, and I thought that was only on the 13 inch. That is one expensive upgrade for the 128 to the 256 gb of storage! Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
that's certainly been my impression so far. Glad to hear you're liking yours. Cheers, Donna On Aug 27, 2011, at 4:13 PM, David McLean wrote: > I bought one in July and it's great.You will love it! It flies. > On Aug 27, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> Hi Mary, >> >> You can get the 256 of storage on the 11-inch, and that's what I got. And >> yeah, it is expensive. Still not sure if I'm going to keep it, or just live >> with lugging around my MBP. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> On Aug 27, 2011, at 1:58 PM, Mary Otten wrote: >> >>> So, Donna, you got the 13 inch MBA? I ask because you mentioned getting the >>> 256 gb of storage, and I thought that was only on the 13 inch. That is one >>> expensive upgrade for the 128 to the 256 gb of storage! >>> >>> Mary >>> >>> Mary Otten >>> motte...@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
I bought one in July and it's great.You will love it! It flies. On Aug 27, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi Mary, > > You can get the 256 of storage on the 11-inch, and that's what I got. And > yeah, it is expensive. Still not sure if I'm going to keep it, or just live > with lugging around my MBP. > Cheers, > Donna > > On Aug 27, 2011, at 1:58 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > >> So, Donna, you got the 13 inch MBA? I ask because you mentioned getting the >> 256 gb of storage, and I thought that was only on the 13 inch. That is one >> expensive upgrade for the 128 to the 256 gb of storage! >> >> Mary >> >> Mary Otten >> motte...@gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
Hi, at least in the Dutch apple store you can also get the 256 gb upgrade for the 11 inch model but it is indeed really expensive. I htought about getting it but in the end dicided against it. The decision between 13 and 11 inch was tough but in the end I opted for ultraportability. Greetings, Anouk, Op 27-8-2011 19:58, Mary Otten schreef: So, Donna, you got the 13 inch MBA? I ask because you mentioned getting the 256 gb of storage, and I thought that was only on the 13 inch. That is one expensive upgrade for the 128 to the 256 gb of storage! Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
Hi Mary, You can get the 256 of storage on the 11-inch, and that's what I got. And yeah, it is expensive. Still not sure if I'm going to keep it, or just live with lugging around my MBP. Cheers, Donna On Aug 27, 2011, at 1:58 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > So, Donna, you got the 13 inch MBA? I ask because you mentioned getting the > 256 gb of storage, and I thought that was only on the 13 inch. That is one > expensive upgrade for the 128 to the 256 gb of storage! > > Mary > > Mary Otten > motte...@gmail.com > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
So, Donna, you got the 13 inch MBA? I ask because you mentioned getting the 256 gb of storage, and I thought that was only on the 13 inch. That is one expensive upgrade for the 128 to the 256 gb of storage! Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
ika, >>> >>> I believe there's a program called DVD Remaster that does that, though I >>> haven't tried it. In the long-term, your definitely right, I suspect >>> there'll come a time not all that far off when having a DVD drive will seem >>> as obsolete as having a floppy drive does now. But for me anyway, that >>> time hasn't quite arrived yet. But, as with Chris's mention of the lack of >>> an SD card slot, this is a question of personal preference and usage. >>> >>> The processor question is a tricky one. The processor on the MBA is slower >>> than that on the MBP. But the solid state drive should make up for a lot >>> of the difference there. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 1:15 PM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote: >>> >>>> As for a DVD drive, is it easy say to copy a movie over to the hard drive >>>> of say a MacBook Air, so that you don't need a DVD drive on the road? >>>> >>>> I just am thinking of this as software increasingly moves to being >>>> acquired through a platform like the Mac app store. >>>> >>>> I'm just not sure, for me, why it would be important now a days to have a >>>> built in DVD drive? >>>> >>>> Things like the processor, sound, etc. are more important in the uses I >>>> would tend to have. I'm not sure also on the MBA that just came out how >>>> much of an improvement the processor is, etc. >>>> >>>> BTW I now have the 11 inch MBA (the model just before the most recent >>>> release), bought in early 2011. I still found I mostly used Jaws, mainly >>>> because I'm still more efficient browsing the web under Jaws and for >>>> Qwitter, though I have not really spent the necessary time to learn the >>>> Mac ways of doing things. >>>> >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> mika >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin >>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:05 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air >>>> >>>> Hey Chris, >>>> >>>> Yeah, the lack of memory card is no big deal for me, I tend to use a USB >>>> drive most of the time. The one that gets me is the lack of a DVD drive. >>>> >>>> That 11-inch Air is *really calling my name. I would have given >>>> anything to have it while I was in Hawaii last week, the MBP was just big >>>> enough that I didn't feel like hauling it on the plane and all. I can see >>>> why you're sticking with the MBP, though - it's definitely the more >>>> powerful device. And I totally agree, if they ever combine the Air with >>>> the iPad, I'd be all over it! >>>> >>>> I was originally thinking I'd replace the MacBook with the Air, but I >>>> can't see going without a built-in DVD drive, at least not at this point. >>>> So I don't know. In addition to the work stuff, I've got some more plane >>>> travel coming up over the next few months, and it'd be nice to be able to >>>> take the Air. I'd definitely use it, I know that, but it's a luxury, not >>>> a necessity. Bt ... lol >>>> Cheers, >>>> Donna >>>> >>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>> >>>>> Donna, >>>>> >>>>> One other thing to bare in mind if you are going for the 11inch model, is >>>>> that it does not have a memory card reader. This is done via a USB >>>>> dongle instead. Not sure if this is important to you. >>>>> >>>>> I must admit, the 11inch model is very alluring. >>>>> >>>>> I think I will stick with my Macbook Pro and iMac for now. If Apple are >>>>> heading in the direction of merging both their operating systems, then I >>>>> would expect to see a merged Macbook Air and iPad. Now that's the baby I >>>>> want. A keyboard with a touch screen all in one. >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:47, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>> >>&
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
ve the 11 inch MBA (the model just before the most recent release), bought in early 2011. I still found I mostly used Jaws, mainly because I'm still more efficient browsing the web under Jaws and for Qwitter, though I have not really spent the necessary time to learn the Mac ways of doing things. Best, mika -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:05 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air Hey Chris, Yeah, the lack of memory card is no big deal for me, I tend to use a USB drive most of the time. The one that gets me is the lack of a DVD drive. That 11-inch Air is *really calling my name. I would have given anything to have it while I was in Hawaii last week, the MBP was just big enough that I didn't feel like hauling it on the plane and all. I can see why you're sticking with the MBP, though - it's definitely the more powerful device. And I totally agree, if they ever combine the Air with the iPad, I'd be all over it! I was originally thinking I'd replace the MacBook with the Air, but I can't see going without a built-in DVD drive, at least not at this point. So I don't know. In addition to the work stuff, I've got some more plane travel coming up over the next few months, and it'd be nice to be able to take the Air. I'd definitely use it, I know that, but it's a luxury, not a necessity. Bt ... lol Cheers, Donna On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Chris Moore wrote: Donna, One other thing to bare in mind if you are going for the 11inch model, is that it does not have a memory card reader. This is done via a USB dongle instead. Not sure if this is important to you. I must admit, the 11inch model is very alluring. I think I will stick with my Macbook Pro and iMac for now. If Apple are heading in the direction of merging both their operating systems, then I would expect to see a merged Macbook Air and iPad. Now that's the baby I want. A keyboard with a touch screen all in one. Chris On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:47, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Mika, The MacBoo Pro has some significant advantages. It has a bigger hard drive, faster processor, can be upgraded with more memory, has built-in ethernet, DVD drive, and SD card slot. As Ricardo pointed out, it also has better sound. With the Air, you can connect to a DVD drive or ether net via usb, but they're not built-in, so that's extra hardware you need to haul around. The Air is a great portable device, but the MacBook is a more powerful computer, with more features built-in. Cheers, Donna On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote: What are the primary advantages you see the the MBP (MacBook Pro) as opposed to the MBA (MacBook Air)? Just wondering if people appreciate more the ports, or if it is speed of the machine, etc? Thanks, Mika -----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 11:56 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air I've hauled the Macbook all over the place and didn't mind so much with the backpack. Maybe because the old computer bag was just so bad. Made the change when I was presenting at a conference (cough - CSUN) that could no longer fit in its venue and rented two hotels. Of course the session I wanted to attend would be in one and then I would present in the other then hike back to the first. Not that big a deal with the backpack. If I could just remember which pocket I put the network cable vs. the AC adaptor vs the displayport connector etc. CB On 8/15/11 11:12 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Chris, In the past, I've always felt as you do, that the MBP is very easy to haul around. But unfortunately, I'm not just looking at schlepping my MBP to and from work. Every class I teach is in a different building, and all those buildings are different from the building where my office is. So I'll be carrying it around most of the day, along with a braille display. I do think I've decided though that the Air can't replace my MacBook. So I'll either be trying something like what you describe, or just getting the low-end model and using it for times when I want a lot of portability. Cheers, Donna On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: Having shlepped my MacBook to work for many years I found that it wasn't that big a deal in a nice backpack. I used to use those computer bags with a shoulder strap but it started bothering my shoulder. I finally picked up one for cheap from Megamacs and have really liked it. Very comfortable and more pockets to lose things in :) Might be worth the $20 to find out. It's been several
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They should check out the refurbs from the apple store Frank Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2011, at 9:52 AM, "Donna Goodin" wrote: > Hi Mika, > > You know, that is absolutely amazing! I looked on EBay and Craig's list to > see what 2009 MBPs with the same specs are going for, and there are people > getting $800-900 for the things. that really surprised me, and yeah, it > makes the sticker-shock on the MBA a little less staggering. :) > > thanks for the Amazon suggestion, I hadn't thought of that. > Cheers, > Donna > > On Aug 26, 2011, at 9:31 AM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote: > >> Hi Donna, >> >> When I upgraded my Mac Mini I was able to easily sell the old one on Amazon >> for almost the cost of the new one. Its neat with Amazon as you can find >> the particular product you have, and click on e.g. I have one to sell, and >> you do not have to type in the full description or supply photos, etc. I >> think it sold with in 24 hours of posting if not faster. >> >> Best, >> Mika >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin >> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:15 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air >> >> Hi Neil, >> >> thanks for paying such close attention to my message, and for writing such a >> great response. I actually picked up an MBA last weekend, and am inclined >> to agree with you on all points. Happily this particular store actually >> carried the models with the upgraded specs, so I was able to get that model >> without ordering it online. I have to say, it's a pretty amazing little >> machine. It's quite speedy--though I haven't really put it through all its >> paces yet as I haven't transferred my data over. And the sound is amazingly >> good for such a small device. I do notice a fairly significant difference >> in sound between the MBA and my 13-inch MBP, but as you say, not so much of >> a difference that it would impact my choice of machine. Now the only >> question remaining is whether I feel rich enough to live without the $1700, >> especially given that my 2009 MBP is working just fine. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> On Aug 25, 2011, at 4:39 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: >> >>> Donna, >>> >>> Looking at this, I've owned the 15in MBP and all three of the Air's, the >>> original incarnation and now the 2010 11in and the revised 2011 11in. >>> >>> Firstly sound, if you were looking at the original 13in Air, the sound was >>> hopeless, with a mono single speaker I really didn't like that thing. >>> >>> The 11in 2010 and 2011 models though for me solve that. there's stereo baby >>> built right in there, and although there's not much bass to talk of, the >>> sound is clear and it packs a surprising amount of punch for its size. >>> >>> put against the 15in, its a notable difference in richness and output, but >>> against the 13in MBP, I think less so. >>> >>> you do have the bass issue and if you like your tones, not just music but >>> Alex etc to have that depth it might make you think, but I find that once I >>> sit down in front of it, unless I'm working with my iMac along side the >>> Air, which I do every now and then, you'll not notice it. >>> >>> Looking at this DVD business, lets see, presumably you're not watching >>> DVD's in the class room etc, so why not just leave the USB drive for that >>> in your hotel etc, I've seen you state that this lack of a DVD drive is a >>> real issue, but only as you seem to watch films, well as someone else has >>> said, a lot of it is downloadable now, you can also rip them, and finally, >>> if you're like me, why should I pay to download something I own on disk, >>> spend the additional $80 and get the super drive... leave it in your hotel >>> room and you're good to go. >>> >>> I use my Air for everything when I'm not at a desk, and my iMac if I am. >>> >>> The issue that a lot of folk seem to be throwing up over spec and >>> performance, you really need to ask yourself what you're going to be doing >>> with it, I find my Air faster than my MBP 15in, which I had as a late 2010 >>> model with full processor upgrade, I think a 2.9Ghz i7 with 4Gb of RAM. but >
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
Hi Mika, You know, that is absolutely amazing! I looked on EBay and Craig's list to see what 2009 MBPs with the same specs are going for, and there are people getting $800-900 for the things. that really surprised me, and yeah, it makes the sticker-shock on the MBA a little less staggering. :) thanks for the Amazon suggestion, I hadn't thought of that. Cheers, Donna On Aug 26, 2011, at 9:31 AM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote: > Hi Donna, > > When I upgraded my Mac Mini I was able to easily sell the old one on Amazon > for almost the cost of the new one. Its neat with Amazon as you can find the > particular product you have, and click on e.g. I have one to sell, and you do > not have to type in the full description or supply photos, etc. I think it > sold with in 24 hours of posting if not faster. > > Best, > Mika > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:15 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air > > Hi Neil, > > thanks for paying such close attention to my message, and for writing such a > great response. I actually picked up an MBA last weekend, and am inclined to > agree with you on all points. Happily this particular store actually carried > the models with the upgraded specs, so I was able to get that model without > ordering it online. I have to say, it's a pretty amazing little machine. > It's quite speedy--though I haven't really put it through all its paces yet > as I haven't transferred my data over. And the sound is amazingly good for > such a small device. I do notice a fairly significant difference in sound > between the MBA and my 13-inch MBP, but as you say, not so much of a > difference that it would impact my choice of machine. Now the only question > remaining is whether I feel rich enough to live without the $1700, especially > given that my 2009 MBP is working just fine. > Cheers, > Donna > > On Aug 25, 2011, at 4:39 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > >> Donna, >> >> Looking at this, I've owned the 15in MBP and all three of the Air's, the >> original incarnation and now the 2010 11in and the revised 2011 11in. >> >> Firstly sound, if you were looking at the original 13in Air, the sound was >> hopeless, with a mono single speaker I really didn't like that thing. >> >> The 11in 2010 and 2011 models though for me solve that. there's stereo baby >> built right in there, and although there's not much bass to talk of, the >> sound is clear and it packs a surprising amount of punch for its size. >> >> put against the 15in, its a notable difference in richness and output, but >> against the 13in MBP, I think less so. >> >> you do have the bass issue and if you like your tones, not just music but >> Alex etc to have that depth it might make you think, but I find that once I >> sit down in front of it, unless I'm working with my iMac along side the Air, >> which I do every now and then, you'll not notice it. >> >> Looking at this DVD business, lets see, presumably you're not watching DVD's >> in the class room etc, so why not just leave the USB drive for that in your >> hotel etc, I've seen you state that this lack of a DVD drive is a real >> issue, but only as you seem to watch films, well as someone else has said, a >> lot of it is downloadable now, you can also rip them, and finally, if you're >> like me, why should I pay to download something I own on disk, spend the >> additional $80 and get the super drive... leave it in your hotel room and >> you're good to go. >> >> I use my Air for everything when I'm not at a desk, and my iMac if I am. >> >> The issue that a lot of folk seem to be throwing up over spec and >> performance, you really need to ask yourself what you're going to be doing >> with it, I find my Air faster than my MBP 15in, which I had as a late 2010 >> model with full processor upgrade, I think a 2.9Ghz i7 with 4Gb of RAM. but >> you see most of what I do is word processing, e-mail and internet, oh and >> iTunes / watching DVD's. >> >> I carry my MBA all around the world with me, leaving the super drive in >> hotel rooms or my carry on in a plane if its a long flight. >> >> I personally think its really the way to go if you're seriously looking to >> lighten the load. >> >> there is an InCase sleeve for the 11in and 13in available from the Apple &
RE: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
Hi Donna, When I upgraded my Mac Mini I was able to easily sell the old one on Amazon for almost the cost of the new one. Its neat with Amazon as you can find the particular product you have, and click on e.g. I have one to sell, and you do not have to type in the full description or supply photos, etc. I think it sold with in 24 hours of posting if not faster. Best, Mika -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:15 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air Hi Neil, thanks for paying such close attention to my message, and for writing such a great response. I actually picked up an MBA last weekend, and am inclined to agree with you on all points. Happily this particular store actually carried the models with the upgraded specs, so I was able to get that model without ordering it online. I have to say, it's a pretty amazing little machine. It's quite speedy--though I haven't really put it through all its paces yet as I haven't transferred my data over. And the sound is amazingly good for such a small device. I do notice a fairly significant difference in sound between the MBA and my 13-inch MBP, but as you say, not so much of a difference that it would impact my choice of machine. Now the only question remaining is whether I feel rich enough to live without the $1700, especially given that my 2009 MBP is working just fine. Cheers, Donna On Aug 25, 2011, at 4:39 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > Donna, > > Looking at this, I've owned the 15in MBP and all three of the Air's, the > original incarnation and now the 2010 11in and the revised 2011 11in. > > Firstly sound, if you were looking at the original 13in Air, the sound was > hopeless, with a mono single speaker I really didn't like that thing. > > The 11in 2010 and 2011 models though for me solve that. there's stereo baby > built right in there, and although there's not much bass to talk of, the > sound is clear and it packs a surprising amount of punch for its size. > > put against the 15in, its a notable difference in richness and output, but > against the 13in MBP, I think less so. > > you do have the bass issue and if you like your tones, not just music but > Alex etc to have that depth it might make you think, but I find that once I > sit down in front of it, unless I'm working with my iMac along side the Air, > which I do every now and then, you'll not notice it. > > Looking at this DVD business, lets see, presumably you're not watching DVD's > in the class room etc, so why not just leave the USB drive for that in your > hotel etc, I've seen you state that this lack of a DVD drive is a real issue, > but only as you seem to watch films, well as someone else has said, a lot of > it is downloadable now, you can also rip them, and finally, if you're like > me, why should I pay to download something I own on disk, spend the > additional $80 and get the super drive... leave it in your hotel room and > you're good to go. > > I use my Air for everything when I'm not at a desk, and my iMac if I am. > > The issue that a lot of folk seem to be throwing up over spec and > performance, you really need to ask yourself what you're going to be doing > with it, I find my Air faster than my MBP 15in, which I had as a late 2010 > model with full processor upgrade, I think a 2.9Ghz i7 with 4Gb of RAM. but > you see most of what I do is word processing, e-mail and internet, oh and > iTunes / watching DVD's. > > I carry my MBA all around the world with me, leaving the super drive in hotel > rooms or my carry on in a plane if its a long flight. > > I personally think its really the way to go if you're seriously looking to > lighten the load. > > there is an InCase sleeve for the 11in and 13in available from the Apple > online store, I use this and think its great... for whoever asked that > question. > > HTH. > > Neil Barnfather. > On 15 Aug 2011, at 20:29, Donna Goodin wrote: > > Hi Mika, > > I believe there's a program called DVD Remaster that does that, though I > haven't tried it. In the long-term, your definitely right, I suspect > there'll come a time not all that far off when having a DVD drive will seem > as obsolete as having a floppy drive does now. But for me anyway, that time > hasn't quite arrived yet. But, as with Chris's mention of the lack of an SD > card slot, this is a question of personal preference and usage. > > The processor question is a tricky one. The processor on the MBA is slower > than that on the
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rive? >> >> Things like the processor, sound, etc. are more important in the uses I >> would tend to have. I'm not sure also on the MBA that just came out how >> much of an improvement the processor is, etc. >> >> BTW I now have the 11 inch MBA (the model just before the most recent >> release), bought in early 2011. I still found I mostly used Jaws, mainly >> because I'm still more efficient browsing the web under Jaws and for >> Qwitter, though I have not really spent the necessary time to learn the Mac >> ways of doing things. >> >> >> Best, >> mika >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin >> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:05 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air >> >> Hey Chris, >> >> Yeah, the lack of memory card is no big deal for me, I tend to use a USB >> drive most of the time. The one that gets me is the lack of a DVD drive. >> >> That 11-inch Air is *really calling my name. I would have given >> anything to have it while I was in Hawaii last week, the MBP was just big >> enough that I didn't feel like hauling it on the plane and all. I can see >> why you're sticking with the MBP, though - it's definitely the more powerful >> device. And I totally agree, if they ever combine the Air with the iPad, >> I'd be all over it! >> >> I was originally thinking I'd replace the MacBook with the Air, but I can't >> see going without a built-in DVD drive, at least not at this point. So I >> don't know. In addition to the work stuff, I've got some more plane travel >> coming up over the next few months, and it'd be nice to be able to take the >> Air. I'd definitely use it, I know that, but it's a luxury, not a >> necessity. Bt ... lol >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> Donna, >>> >>> One other thing to bare in mind if you are going for the 11inch model, is >>> that it does not have a memory card reader. This is done via a USB dongle >>> instead. Not sure if this is important to you. >>> >>> I must admit, the 11inch model is very alluring. >>> >>> I think I will stick with my Macbook Pro and iMac for now. If Apple are >>> heading in the direction of merging both their operating systems, then I >>> would expect to see a merged Macbook Air and iPad. Now that's the baby I >>> want. A keyboard with a touch screen all in one. >>> >>> Chris >>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:47, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Mika, >>>> >>>> The MacBoo Pro has some significant advantages. It has a bigger hard >>>> drive, faster processor, can be upgraded with more memory, has built-in >>>> ethernet, DVD drive, and SD card slot. As Ricardo pointed out, it also >>>> has better sound. With the Air, you can connect to a DVD drive or ether >>>> net via usb, but they're not built-in, so that's extra hardware you need >>>> to haul around. The Air is a great portable device, but the MacBook is a >>>> more powerful computer, with more features built-in. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Donna >>>> >>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote: >>>> >>>>> What are the primary advantages you see the the MBP (MacBook Pro) as >>>>> opposed to the MBA (MacBook Air)? >>>>> >>>>> Just wondering if people appreciate more the ports, or if it is speed of >>>>> the machine, etc? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Mika >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 11:56 AM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air >>>>> >>>>> I've hauled the Macbook all over the place and didn't mind so much with >>>>> the backpack. Maybe because the old computer bag was just so bad. Made >>>>> the change when I was presenting at a conference (cough - CSUN) that >>>>> c
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
Donna, Looking at this, I've owned the 15in MBP and all three of the Air's, the original incarnation and now the 2010 11in and the revised 2011 11in. Firstly sound, if you were looking at the original 13in Air, the sound was hopeless, with a mono single speaker I really didn't like that thing. The 11in 2010 and 2011 models though for me solve that. there's stereo baby built right in there, and although there's not much bass to talk of, the sound is clear and it packs a surprising amount of punch for its size. put against the 15in, its a notable difference in richness and output, but against the 13in MBP, I think less so. you do have the bass issue and if you like your tones, not just music but Alex etc to have that depth it might make you think, but I find that once I sit down in front of it, unless I'm working with my iMac along side the Air, which I do every now and then, you'll not notice it. Looking at this DVD business, lets see, presumably you're not watching DVD's in the class room etc, so why not just leave the USB drive for that in your hotel etc, I've seen you state that this lack of a DVD drive is a real issue, but only as you seem to watch films, well as someone else has said, a lot of it is downloadable now, you can also rip them, and finally, if you're like me, why should I pay to download something I own on disk, spend the additional $80 and get the super drive... leave it in your hotel room and you're good to go. I use my Air for everything when I'm not at a desk, and my iMac if I am. The issue that a lot of folk seem to be throwing up over spec and performance, you really need to ask yourself what you're going to be doing with it, I find my Air faster than my MBP 15in, which I had as a late 2010 model with full processor upgrade, I think a 2.9Ghz i7 with 4Gb of RAM. but you see most of what I do is word processing, e-mail and internet, oh and iTunes / watching DVD's. I carry my MBA all around the world with me, leaving the super drive in hotel rooms or my carry on in a plane if its a long flight. I personally think its really the way to go if you're seriously looking to lighten the load. there is an InCase sleeve for the 11in and 13in available from the Apple online store, I use this and think its great... for whoever asked that question. HTH. Neil Barnfather. On 15 Aug 2011, at 20:29, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Mika, I believe there's a program called DVD Remaster that does that, though I haven't tried it. In the long-term, your definitely right, I suspect there'll come a time not all that far off when having a DVD drive will seem as obsolete as having a floppy drive does now. But for me anyway, that time hasn't quite arrived yet. But, as with Chris's mention of the lack of an SD card slot, this is a question of personal preference and usage. The processor question is a tricky one. The processor on the MBA is slower than that on the MBP. But the solid state drive should make up for a lot of the difference there. Cheers, Donna On Aug 15, 2011, at 1:15 PM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote: > As for a DVD drive, is it easy say to copy a movie over to the hard drive of > say a MacBook Air, so that you don't need a DVD drive on the road? > > I just am thinking of this as software increasingly moves to being acquired > through a platform like the Mac app store. > > I'm just not sure, for me, why it would be important now a days to have a > built in DVD drive? > > Things like the processor, sound, etc. are more important in the uses I would > tend to have. I'm not sure also on the MBA that just came out how much of an > improvement the processor is, etc. > > BTW I now have the 11 inch MBA (the model just before the most recent > release), bought in early 2011. I still found I mostly used Jaws, mainly > because I'm still more efficient browsing the web under Jaws and for Qwitter, > though I have not really spent the necessary time to learn the Mac ways of > doing things. > > > Best, > mika > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:05 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air > > Hey Chris, > > Yeah, the lack of memory card is no big deal for me, I tend to use a USB > drive most of the time. The one that gets me is the lack of a DVD drive. > > That 11-inch Air is *really calling my name. I would have given anything > to have it while I was in Hawaii last week, the MBP was just big enough that > I didn't feel like hauling it on the plane and all. I can see why you're > sticking with the MBP, though - it&#
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
The macbook air does not have a dvd drive or ethernet port, this may not be an issue for you, but it's something to be aware of. On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:01 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi Donna, > > There is a noticeable difference in sound from a macbook air to a macbook > pro. But this is to be expected on a smaller machine. Sound is so poor in > my opinion, headphones will come in handy a lot. Especially in noisy public > environments. As far as performance, I don't think you will see any > difference at all. From following your post the last couple years, you don't > seem to do many resource intensive tasks like audio production, or anything > like that. I think you could probably even be able to make do with the > standard 11 inch air. > > Ricardo Walker > rwalker...@gmail.com > Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 > www.mobileaccess.org > > On Aug 14, 2011, at 7:46 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Since I'm going to be schlepping my Mac around a lot for work in the next >> several months, and possibly then some, I'm seriously considering shelling >> out the $$ for an 11-inch MacBook Air. I'm looking at one of the new ones, >> with all the specs maxed out. My MBP is two years old, running a 2.53GHZ >> processor with 4G of ram. I'm wondering if there's anyone on list who can >> give me an accurate comparison of the user experience on these two models. >> A couple of the things I'm wondering about are: >> 1. Speed. How will day-today- use compare. My MBP has the faster >> processor, but the Air has the solid state drive, which I assume will >> compensate, at least to some extent. >> >> 2. Sound quality? this won't be a deal breaker, but wondering how the two >> compare. >> >> If there are any other differences that people have experienced, either good >> or bad, I'd love to hear. >> Best, >> Donna >> >> P.S. I am aware of the connectivity differences, that's something I can >> live with. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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i know this! i have one in my desktop. i was just clarifying, i was confused about what you were talking about earlier -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
I know this! I was just clarifying Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:25 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: James, and ssd is a hardcrive replacement. The SSD is 2 or three times the speed of a SATA harddrive, but since a ram bus is about 5 times faster again the drive is still the bottleneck even though it's much faster on SSD. Best, Erik Burggraaf This month in Ebony Promos: Two new gps systems for demo. Mac OS Lion When will it be supported? Ebony Consulting at accessibility Unconference Toronto. To read more and subscribe, Visit: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-08-15, at 3:59 PM, james Walton wrote: what do you mean hard drive? do you have an ssd and an hdd in a macbook pro? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
James, and ssd is a hardcrive replacement. The SSD is 2 or three times the speed of a SATA harddrive, but since a ram bus is about 5 times faster again the drive is still the bottleneck even though it's much faster on SSD. Best, Erik Burggraaf This month in Ebony Promos: Two new gps systems for demo. Mac OS Lion When will it be supported? Ebony Consulting at accessibility Unconference Toronto. To read more and subscribe, Visit: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-08-15, at 3:59 PM, james Walton wrote: > what do you mean hard drive? > do you have an ssd and an hdd in a macbook pro? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
Does the 13 inch MBA have a card reader? Kliphton SR (twitter&Skype) kliphton72 (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com (Marriage group) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/committed-married-christians On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:05 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hey Chris, > > Yeah, the lack of memory card is no big deal for me, I tend to use a USB > drive most of the time. The one that gets me is the lack of a DVD drive. > > That 11-inch Air is *really calling my name. I would have given anything > to have it while I was in Hawaii last week, the MBP was just big enough that > I didn't feel like hauling it on the plane and all. I can see why you're > sticking with the MBP, though - it's definitely the more powerful device. > And I totally agree, if they ever combine the Air with the iPad, I'd be all > over it! > > I was originally thinking I'd replace the MacBook with the Air, but I can't > see going without a built-in DVD drive, at least not at this point. So I > don't know. In addition to the work stuff, I've got some more plane travel > coming up over the next few months, and it'd be nice to be able to take the > Air. I'd definitely use it, I know that, but it's a luxury, not a necessity. > Bt … lol > Cheers, > Donna > > On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> Donna, >> >> One other thing to bare in mind if you are going for the 11inch model, is >> that it does not have a memory card reader. This is done via a USB dongle >> instead. Not sure if this is important to you. >> >> I must admit, the 11inch model is very alluring. >> >> I think I will stick with my Macbook Pro and iMac for now. If Apple are >> heading in the direction of merging both their operating systems, then I >> would expect to see a merged Macbook Air and iPad. Now that's the baby I >> want. A keyboard with a touch screen all in one. >> >> Chris >> On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:47, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Hi Mika, >>> >>> The MacBoo Pro has some significant advantages. It has a bigger hard >>> drive, faster processor, can be upgraded with more memory, has built-in >>> ethernet, DVD drive, and SD card slot. As Ricardo pointed out, it also has >>> better sound. With the Air, you can connect to a DVD drive or ether net >>> via usb, but they're not built-in, so that's extra hardware you need to >>> haul around. The Air is a great portable device, but the MacBook is a more >>> powerful computer, with more features built-in. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote: >>> >>>> What are the primary advantages you see the the MBP (MacBook Pro) as >>>> opposed to the MBA (MacBook Air)? >>>> >>>> Just wondering if people appreciate more the ports, or if it is speed of >>>> the machine, etc? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Mika >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch >>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 11:56 AM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air >>>> >>>> I've hauled the Macbook all over the place and didn't mind so much with >>>> the backpack. Maybe because the old computer bag was just so bad. Made >>>> the change when I was presenting at a conference (cough - CSUN) that >>>> could no longer fit in its venue and rented two hotels. Of course the >>>> session I wanted to attend would be in one and then I would present in >>>> the other then hike back to the first. Not that big a deal with the >>>> backpack. If I could just remember which pocket I put the network cable >>>> vs. the AC adaptor vs the displayport connector etc. >>>> >>>> CB >>>> >>>> On 8/15/11 11:12 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>> Hi Chris, >>>>> >>>>> In the past, I've always felt as you do, that the MBP is very easy to >>>>> haul around. But unfortunately, I'm not just looking at schlepping my >>>>> MBP to and from work. Every class I teach is in a different building, >>>>> and all those buildings are different from the building where my office >>>>> is. So I'll be carrying it around
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
>From my understanding, the MBA is almost as fast as the MBP, since it uses a >SSD, witch is flash, and allows data to load faster. But yes, the mbp does >allow to add more ram and a bigger hard drive. I was told that the processor >speck doesn't really matter since the SSD loads significantly faster. JMO Kliphton SR (twitter&Skype) kliphton72 (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com (Marriage group) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/committed-married-christians On Aug 15, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi Mika, > > The MacBoo Pro has some significant advantages. It has a bigger hard drive, > faster processor, can be upgraded with more memory, has built-in ethernet, > DVD drive, and SD card slot. As Ricardo pointed out, it also has better > sound. With the Air, you can connect to a DVD drive or ether net via usb, > but they're not built-in, so that's extra hardware you need to haul around. > The Air is a great portable device, but the MacBook is a more powerful > computer, with more features built-in. > Cheers, > Donna > > On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote: > >> What are the primary advantages you see the the MBP (MacBook Pro) as opposed >> to the MBA (MacBook Air)? >> >> Just wondering if people appreciate more the ports, or if it is speed of the >> machine, etc? >> >> Thanks, >> Mika >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch >> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 11:56 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air >> >> I've hauled the Macbook all over the place and didn't mind so much with >> the backpack. Maybe because the old computer bag was just so bad. Made >> the change when I was presenting at a conference (cough - CSUN) that >> could no longer fit in its venue and rented two hotels. Of course the >> session I wanted to attend would be in one and then I would present in >> the other then hike back to the first. Not that big a deal with the >> backpack. If I could just remember which pocket I put the network cable >> vs. the AC adaptor vs the displayport connector etc. >> >> CB >> >> On 8/15/11 11:12 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> Hi Chris, >>> >>> In the past, I've always felt as you do, that the MBP is very easy to haul >>> around. But unfortunately, I'm not just looking at schlepping my MBP to >>> and from work. Every class I teach is in a different building, and all >>> those buildings are different from the building where my office is. So >>> I'll be carrying it around most of the day, along with a braille display. >>> >>> I do think I've decided though that the Air can't replace my MacBook. So >>> I'll either be trying something like what you describe, or just getting the >>> low-end model and using it for times when I want a lot of portability. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: >>> >>>> Having shlepped my MacBook to work for many years I found that it wasn't >>>> that big a deal in a nice backpack. I used to use those computer bags with >>>> a shoulder strap but it started bothering my shoulder. I finally picked up >>>> one for cheap from Megamacs and have really liked it. Very comfortable and >>>> more pockets to lose things in :) Might be worth the $20 to find out. It's >>>> been several years now but the one I got is still available: >>>> >>>> http://www.megamacs.com/index.php?action=frameview&id=3566552 >>>> >>>> Their cart UI doesn't move focus to the form input on each step so you >>>> have to slog around to find where the form is, but it does work. I guess >>>> it's no worse than many web shopping carts. >>>> >>>> CB >>>> >>>> On 8/14/11 7:46 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> Since I'm going to be schlepping my Mac around a lot for work in the next >>>>> several months, and possibly then some, I'm seriously considering >>>>> shelling out the $$ for an 11-inch MacBook Air. I'm looking at one of >>>>> the new ones, with all the specs maxed out. My MBP is two years old, >>>>> running a 2.53GHZ processor with 4G of ram. I'm wondering i
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
what do you mean hard drive? do you have an ssd and an hdd in a macbook pro? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
The SSD picks things up a bit, but the drives they are using aren't maximum read-write speeds. You'll be ecstatic with the stability, battery life, and boot time, but even with the slower processor the harddrive will still be the bottleneck in your system. I'm not saying it doesn't help. I love my SSD, but it's not quite the performance booster I thought it would be. Serious contribution to stability, and boottime is just amazing, but my apps don't run very noticeably faster, particularly max wav to mp3 encoding and lossie file conversions which I thought would be insanely fast on an SSD. Maybe they are a second or two faster encoding a 600 mb wav file down to a 50 mb mp3, but the bottleneck is still the harddrive. Best, Erik Burggraaf This month in Ebony Promos: Two new gps systems for demo. Mac OS Lion When will it be supported? Ebony Consulting at accessibility Unconference Toronto. To read more and subscribe, Visit: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-08-15, at 3:29 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi Mika, > > I believe there's a program called DVD Remaster that does that, though I > haven't tried it. In the long-term, your definitely right, I suspect > there'll come a time not all that far off when having a DVD drive will seem > as obsolete as having a floppy drive does now. But for me anyway, that time > hasn't quite arrived yet. But, as with Chris's mention of the lack of an SD > card slot, this is a question of personal preference and usage. > > The processor question is a tricky one. The processor on the MBA is slower > than that on the MBP. But the solid state drive should make up for a lot of > the difference there. > Cheers, > Donna > > On Aug 15, 2011, at 1:15 PM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote: > >> As for a DVD drive, is it easy say to copy a movie over to the hard drive of >> say a MacBook Air, so that you don't need a DVD drive on the road? >> >> I just am thinking of this as software increasingly moves to being acquired >> through a platform like the Mac app store. >> >> I'm just not sure, for me, why it would be important now a days to have a >> built in DVD drive? >> >> Things like the processor, sound, etc. are more important in the uses I >> would tend to have. I'm not sure also on the MBA that just came out how >> much of an improvement the processor is, etc. >> >> BTW I now have the 11 inch MBA (the model just before the most recent >> release), bought in early 2011. I still found I mostly used Jaws, mainly >> because I'm still more efficient browsing the web under Jaws and for >> Qwitter, though I have not really spent the necessary time to learn the Mac >> ways of doing things. >> >> >> Best, >> mika >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin >> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:05 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air >> >> Hey Chris, >> >> Yeah, the lack of memory card is no big deal for me, I tend to use a USB >> drive most of the time. The one that gets me is the lack of a DVD drive. >> >> That 11-inch Air is *really calling my name. I would have given >> anything to have it while I was in Hawaii last week, the MBP was just big >> enough that I didn't feel like hauling it on the plane and all. I can see >> why you're sticking with the MBP, though - it's definitely the more powerful >> device. And I totally agree, if they ever combine the Air with the iPad, >> I'd be all over it! >> >> I was originally thinking I'd replace the MacBook with the Air, but I can't >> see going without a built-in DVD drive, at least not at this point. So I >> don't know. In addition to the work stuff, I've got some more plane travel >> coming up over the next few months, and it'd be nice to be able to take the >> Air. I'd definitely use it, I know that, but it's a luxury, not a >> necessity. Bt ... lol >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> Donna, >>> >>> One other thing to bare in mind if you are going for the 11inch model, is >>> that it does not have a memory card reader. This is done via a USB dongle >>> instead. Not sure if this is important to you. >
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
Hi Mika, I believe there's a program called DVD Remaster that does that, though I haven't tried it. In the long-term, your definitely right, I suspect there'll come a time not all that far off when having a DVD drive will seem as obsolete as having a floppy drive does now. But for me anyway, that time hasn't quite arrived yet. But, as with Chris's mention of the lack of an SD card slot, this is a question of personal preference and usage. The processor question is a tricky one. The processor on the MBA is slower than that on the MBP. But the solid state drive should make up for a lot of the difference there. Cheers, Donna On Aug 15, 2011, at 1:15 PM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote: > As for a DVD drive, is it easy say to copy a movie over to the hard drive of > say a MacBook Air, so that you don't need a DVD drive on the road? > > I just am thinking of this as software increasingly moves to being acquired > through a platform like the Mac app store. > > I'm just not sure, for me, why it would be important now a days to have a > built in DVD drive? > > Things like the processor, sound, etc. are more important in the uses I would > tend to have. I'm not sure also on the MBA that just came out how much of an > improvement the processor is, etc. > > BTW I now have the 11 inch MBA (the model just before the most recent > release), bought in early 2011. I still found I mostly used Jaws, mainly > because I'm still more efficient browsing the web under Jaws and for Qwitter, > though I have not really spent the necessary time to learn the Mac ways of > doing things. > > > Best, > mika > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:05 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air > > Hey Chris, > > Yeah, the lack of memory card is no big deal for me, I tend to use a USB > drive most of the time. The one that gets me is the lack of a DVD drive. > > That 11-inch Air is *really calling my name. I would have given anything > to have it while I was in Hawaii last week, the MBP was just big enough that > I didn't feel like hauling it on the plane and all. I can see why you're > sticking with the MBP, though - it's definitely the more powerful device. > And I totally agree, if they ever combine the Air with the iPad, I'd be all > over it! > > I was originally thinking I'd replace the MacBook with the Air, but I can't > see going without a built-in DVD drive, at least not at this point. So I > don't know. In addition to the work stuff, I've got some more plane travel > coming up over the next few months, and it'd be nice to be able to take the > Air. I'd definitely use it, I know that, but it's a luxury, not a necessity. > Bt ... lol > Cheers, > Donna > > On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> Donna, >> >> One other thing to bare in mind if you are going for the 11inch model, is >> that it does not have a memory card reader. This is done via a USB dongle >> instead. Not sure if this is important to you. >> >> I must admit, the 11inch model is very alluring. >> >> I think I will stick with my Macbook Pro and iMac for now. If Apple are >> heading in the direction of merging both their operating systems, then I >> would expect to see a merged Macbook Air and iPad. Now that's the baby I >> want. A keyboard with a touch screen all in one. >> >> Chris >> On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:47, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Hi Mika, >>> >>> The MacBoo Pro has some significant advantages. It has a bigger hard >>> drive, faster processor, can be upgraded with more memory, has built-in >>> ethernet, DVD drive, and SD card slot. As Ricardo pointed out, it also has >>> better sound. With the Air, you can connect to a DVD drive or ether net >>> via usb, but they're not built-in, so that's extra hardware you need to >>> haul around. The Air is a great portable device, but the MacBook is a more >>> powerful computer, with more features built-in. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote: >>> >>>> What are the primary advantages you see the the MBP (MacBook Pro) as >>>> opposed to the MBA (MacBook Air)? >>>> >>>> Just wondering if people appreciate more the ports, or if it is speed of >>>> the machi
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
Hi Kristin, I think we're basically on the same page, except that I'll keep my MBP as my main computer. I occasionally watch some of our movies from DVD on my MacBook, so I prefer having the DVD drive built-in. Again, not sure what I'm going to do, but I'm starting to feel like I have enough need to justify the purchase of an Air (of course, this is probably a juicy rationalization). lol Cheers, Donna On Aug 15, 2011, at 1:12 PM, Kristyn Leigh wrote: > Hi Donna, > > There is a USB DVD drive sold separately for $80. My primary computer is a > mini, but the Air is the perfect portable one for me. It is the size of an > iPad with the full features of a laptop. > > Has anyone found a laptop sleeve to fit the 11.6 inch Air? > > Kristyn > On Aug 15, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> Hey Chris, >> >> Yeah, the lack of memory card is no big deal for me, I tend to use a USB >> drive most of the time. The one that gets me is the lack of a DVD drive. >> >> That 11-inch Air is *really calling my name. I would have given >> anything to have it while I was in Hawaii last week, the MBP was just big >> enough that I didn't feel like hauling it on the plane and all. I can see >> why you're sticking with the MBP, though - it's definitely the more powerful >> device. And I totally agree, if they ever combine the Air with the iPad, >> I'd be all over it! >> >> I was originally thinking I'd replace the MacBook with the Air, but I can't >> see going without a built-in DVD drive, at least not at this point. So I >> don't know. In addition to the work stuff, I've got some more plane travel >> coming up over the next few months, and it'd be nice to be able to take the >> Air. I'd definitely use it, I know that, but it's a luxury, not a >> necessity. Bt … lol >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> Donna, >>> >>> One other thing to bare in mind if you are going for the 11inch model, is >>> that it does not have a memory card reader. This is done via a USB dongle >>> instead. Not sure if this is important to you. >>> >>> I must admit, the 11inch model is very alluring. >>> >>> I think I will stick with my Macbook Pro and iMac for now. If Apple are >>> heading in the direction of merging both their operating systems, then I >>> would expect to see a merged Macbook Air and iPad. Now that's the baby I >>> want. A keyboard with a touch screen all in one. >>> >>> Chris >>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:47, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Mika, >>>> >>>> The MacBoo Pro has some significant advantages. It has a bigger hard >>>> drive, faster processor, can be upgraded with more memory, has built-in >>>> ethernet, DVD drive, and SD card slot. As Ricardo pointed out, it also >>>> has better sound. With the Air, you can connect to a DVD drive or ether >>>> net via usb, but they're not built-in, so that's extra hardware you need >>>> to haul around. The Air is a great portable device, but the MacBook is a >>>> more powerful computer, with more features built-in. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Donna >>>> >>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote: >>>> >>>>> What are the primary advantages you see the the MBP (MacBook Pro) as >>>>> opposed to the MBA (MacBook Air)? >>>>> >>>>> Just wondering if people appreciate more the ports, or if it is speed of >>>>> the machine, etc? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Mika >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 11:56 AM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air >>>>> >>>>> I've hauled the Macbook all over the place and didn't mind so much with >>>>> the backpack. Maybe because the old computer bag was just so bad. Made >>>>> the change when I was presenting at a conference (cough - CSUN) that >>>>> could no longer fit in its venue and rented two hotels. Of course the >>>>> session I wanted to attend wou
RE: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
As for a DVD drive, is it easy say to copy a movie over to the hard drive of say a MacBook Air, so that you don't need a DVD drive on the road? I just am thinking of this as software increasingly moves to being acquired through a platform like the Mac app store. I'm just not sure, for me, why it would be important now a days to have a built in DVD drive? Things like the processor, sound, etc. are more important in the uses I would tend to have. I'm not sure also on the MBA that just came out how much of an improvement the processor is, etc. BTW I now have the 11 inch MBA (the model just before the most recent release), bought in early 2011. I still found I mostly used Jaws, mainly because I'm still more efficient browsing the web under Jaws and for Qwitter, though I have not really spent the necessary time to learn the Mac ways of doing things. Best, mika -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:05 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air Hey Chris, Yeah, the lack of memory card is no big deal for me, I tend to use a USB drive most of the time. The one that gets me is the lack of a DVD drive. That 11-inch Air is *really calling my name. I would have given anything to have it while I was in Hawaii last week, the MBP was just big enough that I didn't feel like hauling it on the plane and all. I can see why you're sticking with the MBP, though - it's definitely the more powerful device. And I totally agree, if they ever combine the Air with the iPad, I'd be all over it! I was originally thinking I'd replace the MacBook with the Air, but I can't see going without a built-in DVD drive, at least not at this point. So I don't know. In addition to the work stuff, I've got some more plane travel coming up over the next few months, and it'd be nice to be able to take the Air. I'd definitely use it, I know that, but it's a luxury, not a necessity. Bt ... lol Cheers, Donna On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > Donna, > > One other thing to bare in mind if you are going for the 11inch model, is > that it does not have a memory card reader. This is done via a USB dongle > instead. Not sure if this is important to you. > > I must admit, the 11inch model is very alluring. > > I think I will stick with my Macbook Pro and iMac for now. If Apple are > heading in the direction of merging both their operating systems, then I > would expect to see a merged Macbook Air and iPad. Now that's the baby I > want. A keyboard with a touch screen all in one. > > Chris > On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:47, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> Hi Mika, >> >> The MacBoo Pro has some significant advantages. It has a bigger hard drive, >> faster processor, can be upgraded with more memory, has built-in ethernet, >> DVD drive, and SD card slot. As Ricardo pointed out, it also has better >> sound. With the Air, you can connect to a DVD drive or ether net via usb, >> but they're not built-in, so that's extra hardware you need to haul around. >> The Air is a great portable device, but the MacBook is a more powerful >> computer, with more features built-in. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote: >> >>> What are the primary advantages you see the the MBP (MacBook Pro) as >>> opposed to the MBA (MacBook Air)? >>> >>> Just wondering if people appreciate more the ports, or if it is speed of >>> the machine, etc? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Mika >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch >>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 11:56 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air >>> >>> I've hauled the Macbook all over the place and didn't mind so much with >>> the backpack. Maybe because the old computer bag was just so bad. Made >>> the change when I was presenting at a conference (cough - CSUN) that >>> could no longer fit in its venue and rented two hotels. Of course the >>> session I wanted to attend would be in one and then I would present in >>> the other then hike back to the first. Not that big a deal with the >>> backpack. If I could just remember which pocket I put the network cable >>> vs. the AC adaptor vs the displayport connector etc. >>> >>> CB >>> &
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
Hi Donna, There is a USB DVD drive sold separately for $80. My primary computer is a mini, but the Air is the perfect portable one for me. It is the size of an iPad with the full features of a laptop. Has anyone found a laptop sleeve to fit the 11.6 inch Air? Kristyn On Aug 15, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hey Chris, > > Yeah, the lack of memory card is no big deal for me, I tend to use a USB > drive most of the time. The one that gets me is the lack of a DVD drive. > > That 11-inch Air is *really calling my name. I would have given anything > to have it while I was in Hawaii last week, the MBP was just big enough that > I didn't feel like hauling it on the plane and all. I can see why you're > sticking with the MBP, though - it's definitely the more powerful device. > And I totally agree, if they ever combine the Air with the iPad, I'd be all > over it! > > I was originally thinking I'd replace the MacBook with the Air, but I can't > see going without a built-in DVD drive, at least not at this point. So I > don't know. In addition to the work stuff, I've got some more plane travel > coming up over the next few months, and it'd be nice to be able to take the > Air. I'd definitely use it, I know that, but it's a luxury, not a necessity. > Bt … lol > Cheers, > Donna > > On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> Donna, >> >> One other thing to bare in mind if you are going for the 11inch model, is >> that it does not have a memory card reader. This is done via a USB dongle >> instead. Not sure if this is important to you. >> >> I must admit, the 11inch model is very alluring. >> >> I think I will stick with my Macbook Pro and iMac for now. If Apple are >> heading in the direction of merging both their operating systems, then I >> would expect to see a merged Macbook Air and iPad. Now that's the baby I >> want. A keyboard with a touch screen all in one. >> >> Chris >> On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:47, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Hi Mika, >>> >>> The MacBoo Pro has some significant advantages. It has a bigger hard >>> drive, faster processor, can be upgraded with more memory, has built-in >>> ethernet, DVD drive, and SD card slot. As Ricardo pointed out, it also has >>> better sound. With the Air, you can connect to a DVD drive or ether net >>> via usb, but they're not built-in, so that's extra hardware you need to >>> haul around. The Air is a great portable device, but the MacBook is a more >>> powerful computer, with more features built-in. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote: >>> >>>> What are the primary advantages you see the the MBP (MacBook Pro) as >>>> opposed to the MBA (MacBook Air)? >>>> >>>> Just wondering if people appreciate more the ports, or if it is speed of >>>> the machine, etc? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Mika >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch >>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 11:56 AM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air >>>> >>>> I've hauled the Macbook all over the place and didn't mind so much with >>>> the backpack. Maybe because the old computer bag was just so bad. Made >>>> the change when I was presenting at a conference (cough - CSUN) that >>>> could no longer fit in its venue and rented two hotels. Of course the >>>> session I wanted to attend would be in one and then I would present in >>>> the other then hike back to the first. Not that big a deal with the >>>> backpack. If I could just remember which pocket I put the network cable >>>> vs. the AC adaptor vs the displayport connector etc. >>>> >>>> CB >>>> >>>> On 8/15/11 11:12 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>> Hi Chris, >>>>> >>>>> In the past, I've always felt as you do, that the MBP is very easy to >>>>> haul around. But unfortunately, I'm not just looking at schlepping my >>>>> MBP to and from work. Every class I teach is in a different building, >>>>> and all those buildings are different from the building where my office
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
Hey Chris, Yeah, the lack of memory card is no big deal for me, I tend to use a USB drive most of the time. The one that gets me is the lack of a DVD drive. That 11-inch Air is *really calling my name. I would have given anything to have it while I was in Hawaii last week, the MBP was just big enough that I didn't feel like hauling it on the plane and all. I can see why you're sticking with the MBP, though - it's definitely the more powerful device. And I totally agree, if they ever combine the Air with the iPad, I'd be all over it! I was originally thinking I'd replace the MacBook with the Air, but I can't see going without a built-in DVD drive, at least not at this point. So I don't know. In addition to the work stuff, I've got some more plane travel coming up over the next few months, and it'd be nice to be able to take the Air. I'd definitely use it, I know that, but it's a luxury, not a necessity. Bt … lol Cheers, Donna On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > Donna, > > One other thing to bare in mind if you are going for the 11inch model, is > that it does not have a memory card reader. This is done via a USB dongle > instead. Not sure if this is important to you. > > I must admit, the 11inch model is very alluring. > > I think I will stick with my Macbook Pro and iMac for now. If Apple are > heading in the direction of merging both their operating systems, then I > would expect to see a merged Macbook Air and iPad. Now that's the baby I > want. A keyboard with a touch screen all in one. > > Chris > On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:47, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> Hi Mika, >> >> The MacBoo Pro has some significant advantages. It has a bigger hard drive, >> faster processor, can be upgraded with more memory, has built-in ethernet, >> DVD drive, and SD card slot. As Ricardo pointed out, it also has better >> sound. With the Air, you can connect to a DVD drive or ether net via usb, >> but they're not built-in, so that's extra hardware you need to haul around. >> The Air is a great portable device, but the MacBook is a more powerful >> computer, with more features built-in. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote: >> >>> What are the primary advantages you see the the MBP (MacBook Pro) as >>> opposed to the MBA (MacBook Air)? >>> >>> Just wondering if people appreciate more the ports, or if it is speed of >>> the machine, etc? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Mika >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch >>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 11:56 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air >>> >>> I've hauled the Macbook all over the place and didn't mind so much with >>> the backpack. Maybe because the old computer bag was just so bad. Made >>> the change when I was presenting at a conference (cough - CSUN) that >>> could no longer fit in its venue and rented two hotels. Of course the >>> session I wanted to attend would be in one and then I would present in >>> the other then hike back to the first. Not that big a deal with the >>> backpack. If I could just remember which pocket I put the network cable >>> vs. the AC adaptor vs the displayport connector etc. >>> >>> CB >>> >>> On 8/15/11 11:12 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>> Hi Chris, >>>> >>>> In the past, I've always felt as you do, that the MBP is very easy to haul >>>> around. But unfortunately, I'm not just looking at schlepping my MBP to >>>> and from work. Every class I teach is in a different building, and all >>>> those buildings are different from the building where my office is. So >>>> I'll be carrying it around most of the day, along with a braille display. >>>> >>>> I do think I've decided though that the Air can't replace my MacBook. So >>>> I'll either be trying something like what you describe, or just getting >>>> the low-end model and using it for times when I want a lot of portability. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Donna >>>> >>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: >>>> >>>>> Having shlepped my MacBook to work for many years I found that it wasn't >>>>> that big a d
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
Donna, One other thing to bare in mind if you are going for the 11inch model, is that it does not have a memory card reader. This is done via a USB dongle instead. Not sure if this is important to you. I must admit, the 11inch model is very alluring. I think I will stick with my Macbook Pro and iMac for now. If Apple are heading in the direction of merging both their operating systems, then I would expect to see a merged Macbook Air and iPad. Now that's the baby I want. A keyboard with a touch screen all in one. Chris On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:47, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi Mika, > > The MacBoo Pro has some significant advantages. It has a bigger hard drive, > faster processor, can be upgraded with more memory, has built-in ethernet, > DVD drive, and SD card slot. As Ricardo pointed out, it also has better > sound. With the Air, you can connect to a DVD drive or ether net via usb, > but they're not built-in, so that's extra hardware you need to haul around. > The Air is a great portable device, but the MacBook is a more powerful > computer, with more features built-in. > Cheers, > Donna > > On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote: > >> What are the primary advantages you see the the MBP (MacBook Pro) as opposed >> to the MBA (MacBook Air)? >> >> Just wondering if people appreciate more the ports, or if it is speed of the >> machine, etc? >> >> Thanks, >> Mika >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch >> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 11:56 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air >> >> I've hauled the Macbook all over the place and didn't mind so much with >> the backpack. Maybe because the old computer bag was just so bad. Made >> the change when I was presenting at a conference (cough - CSUN) that >> could no longer fit in its venue and rented two hotels. Of course the >> session I wanted to attend would be in one and then I would present in >> the other then hike back to the first. Not that big a deal with the >> backpack. If I could just remember which pocket I put the network cable >> vs. the AC adaptor vs the displayport connector etc. >> >> CB >> >> On 8/15/11 11:12 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> Hi Chris, >>> >>> In the past, I've always felt as you do, that the MBP is very easy to haul >>> around. But unfortunately, I'm not just looking at schlepping my MBP to >>> and from work. Every class I teach is in a different building, and all >>> those buildings are different from the building where my office is. So >>> I'll be carrying it around most of the day, along with a braille display. >>> >>> I do think I've decided though that the Air can't replace my MacBook. So >>> I'll either be trying something like what you describe, or just getting the >>> low-end model and using it for times when I want a lot of portability. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: >>> >>>> Having shlepped my MacBook to work for many years I found that it wasn't >>>> that big a deal in a nice backpack. I used to use those computer bags with >>>> a shoulder strap but it started bothering my shoulder. I finally picked up >>>> one for cheap from Megamacs and have really liked it. Very comfortable and >>>> more pockets to lose things in :) Might be worth the $20 to find out. It's >>>> been several years now but the one I got is still available: >>>> >>>> http://www.megamacs.com/index.php?action=frameview&id=3566552 >>>> >>>> Their cart UI doesn't move focus to the form input on each step so you >>>> have to slog around to find where the form is, but it does work. I guess >>>> it's no worse than many web shopping carts. >>>> >>>> CB >>>> >>>> On 8/14/11 7:46 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> Since I'm going to be schlepping my Mac around a lot for work in the next >>>>> several months, and possibly then some, I'm seriously considering >>>>> shelling out the $$ for an 11-inch MacBook Air. I'm looking at one of >>>>> the new ones, with all the specs maxed out. My MBP is two years old, >>>>> running a 2.53GHZ process
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
Hi Mika, The MacBoo Pro has some significant advantages. It has a bigger hard drive, faster processor, can be upgraded with more memory, has built-in ethernet, DVD drive, and SD card slot. As Ricardo pointed out, it also has better sound. With the Air, you can connect to a DVD drive or ether net via usb, but they're not built-in, so that's extra hardware you need to haul around. The Air is a great portable device, but the MacBook is a more powerful computer, with more features built-in. Cheers, Donna On Aug 15, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote: > What are the primary advantages you see the the MBP (MacBook Pro) as opposed > to the MBA (MacBook Air)? > > Just wondering if people appreciate more the ports, or if it is speed of the > machine, etc? > > Thanks, > Mika > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 11:56 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air > > I've hauled the Macbook all over the place and didn't mind so much with > the backpack. Maybe because the old computer bag was just so bad. Made > the change when I was presenting at a conference (cough - CSUN) that > could no longer fit in its venue and rented two hotels. Of course the > session I wanted to attend would be in one and then I would present in > the other then hike back to the first. Not that big a deal with the > backpack. If I could just remember which pocket I put the network cable > vs. the AC adaptor vs the displayport connector etc. > > CB > > On 8/15/11 11:12 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> Hi Chris, >> >> In the past, I've always felt as you do, that the MBP is very easy to haul >> around. But unfortunately, I'm not just looking at schlepping my MBP to and >> from work. Every class I teach is in a different building, and all those >> buildings are different from the building where my office is. So I'll be >> carrying it around most of the day, along with a braille display. >> >> I do think I've decided though that the Air can't replace my MacBook. So >> I'll either be trying something like what you describe, or just getting the >> low-end model and using it for times when I want a lot of portability. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: >> >>> Having shlepped my MacBook to work for many years I found that it wasn't >>> that big a deal in a nice backpack. I used to use those computer bags with >>> a shoulder strap but it started bothering my shoulder. I finally picked up >>> one for cheap from Megamacs and have really liked it. Very comfortable and >>> more pockets to lose things in :) Might be worth the $20 to find out. It's >>> been several years now but the one I got is still available: >>> >>> http://www.megamacs.com/index.php?action=frameview&id=3566552 >>> >>> Their cart UI doesn't move focus to the form input on each step so you have >>> to slog around to find where the form is, but it does work. I guess it's no >>> worse than many web shopping carts. >>> >>> CB >>> >>> On 8/14/11 7:46 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Since I'm going to be schlepping my Mac around a lot for work in the next >>>> several months, and possibly then some, I'm seriously considering shelling >>>> out the $$ for an 11-inch MacBook Air. I'm looking at one of the new >>>> ones, with all the specs maxed out. My MBP is two years old, running a >>>> 2.53GHZ processor with 4G of ram. I'm wondering if there's anyone on list >>>> who can give me an accurate comparison of the user experience on these two >>>> models. A couple of the things I'm wondering about are: >>>> 1. Speed. How will day-today- use compare. My MBP has the faster >>>> processor, but the Air has the solid state drive, which I assume will >>>> compensate, at least to some extent. >>>> >>>> 2. Sound quality? this won't be a deal breaker, but wondering how the >>>> two compare. >>>> >>>> If there are any other differences that people have experienced, either >>>> good or bad, I'd love to hear. >>>> Best, >>>> Donna >>>> >>>> P.S. I am aware of the connectivity differences, that's something I ca
RE: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
What are the primary advantages you see the the MBP (MacBook Pro) as opposed to the MBA (MacBook Air)? Just wondering if people appreciate more the ports, or if it is speed of the machine, etc? Thanks, Mika -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 11:56 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air I've hauled the Macbook all over the place and didn't mind so much with the backpack. Maybe because the old computer bag was just so bad. Made the change when I was presenting at a conference (cough - CSUN) that could no longer fit in its venue and rented two hotels. Of course the session I wanted to attend would be in one and then I would present in the other then hike back to the first. Not that big a deal with the backpack. If I could just remember which pocket I put the network cable vs. the AC adaptor vs the displayport connector etc. CB On 8/15/11 11:12 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi Chris, > > In the past, I've always felt as you do, that the MBP is very easy to haul > around. But unfortunately, I'm not just looking at schlepping my MBP to and > from work. Every class I teach is in a different building, and all those > buildings are different from the building where my office is. So I'll be > carrying it around most of the day, along with a braille display. > > I do think I've decided though that the Air can't replace my MacBook. So > I'll either be trying something like what you describe, or just getting the > low-end model and using it for times when I want a lot of portability. > Cheers, > Donna > > On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: > >> Having shlepped my MacBook to work for many years I found that it wasn't >> that big a deal in a nice backpack. I used to use those computer bags with a >> shoulder strap but it started bothering my shoulder. I finally picked up one >> for cheap from Megamacs and have really liked it. Very comfortable and more >> pockets to lose things in :) Might be worth the $20 to find out. It's been >> several years now but the one I got is still available: >> >> http://www.megamacs.com/index.php?action=frameview&id=3566552 >> >> Their cart UI doesn't move focus to the form input on each step so you have >> to slog around to find where the form is, but it does work. I guess it's no >> worse than many web shopping carts. >> >> CB >> >> On 8/14/11 7:46 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Since I'm going to be schlepping my Mac around a lot for work in the next >>> several months, and possibly then some, I'm seriously considering shelling >>> out the $$ for an 11-inch MacBook Air. I'm looking at one of the new ones, >>> with all the specs maxed out. My MBP is two years old, running a 2.53GHZ >>> processor with 4G of ram. I'm wondering if there's anyone on list who can >>> give me an accurate comparison of the user experience on these two models. >>> A couple of the things I'm wondering about are: >>> 1. Speed. How will day-today- use compare. My MBP has the faster >>> processor, but the Air has the solid state drive, which I assume will >>> compensate, at least to some extent. >>> >>> 2. Sound quality? this won't be a deal breaker, but wondering how the two >>> compare. >>> >>> If there are any other differences that people have experienced, either >>> good or bad, I'd love to hear. >>> Best, >>> Donna >>> >>> P.S. I am aware of the connectivity differences, that's something I can >>> live with. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. This message contains information from Neighborhood Health Plan that may be confidential
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
I've hauled the Macbook all over the place and didn't mind so much with the backpack. Maybe because the old computer bag was just so bad. Made the change when I was presenting at a conference (cough - CSUN) that could no longer fit in its venue and rented two hotels. Of course the session I wanted to attend would be in one and then I would present in the other then hike back to the first. Not that big a deal with the backpack. If I could just remember which pocket I put the network cable vs. the AC adaptor vs the displayport connector etc. CB On 8/15/11 11:12 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Chris, In the past, I've always felt as you do, that the MBP is very easy to haul around. But unfortunately, I'm not just looking at schlepping my MBP to and from work. Every class I teach is in a different building, and all those buildings are different from the building where my office is. So I'll be carrying it around most of the day, along with a braille display. I do think I've decided though that the Air can't replace my MacBook. So I'll either be trying something like what you describe, or just getting the low-end model and using it for times when I want a lot of portability. Cheers, Donna On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: Having shlepped my MacBook to work for many years I found that it wasn't that big a deal in a nice backpack. I used to use those computer bags with a shoulder strap but it started bothering my shoulder. I finally picked up one for cheap from Megamacs and have really liked it. Very comfortable and more pockets to lose things in :) Might be worth the $20 to find out. It's been several years now but the one I got is still available: http://www.megamacs.com/index.php?action=frameview&id=3566552 Their cart UI doesn't move focus to the form input on each step so you have to slog around to find where the form is, but it does work. I guess it's no worse than many web shopping carts. CB On 8/14/11 7:46 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Since I'm going to be schlepping my Mac around a lot for work in the next several months, and possibly then some, I'm seriously considering shelling out the $$ for an 11-inch MacBook Air. I'm looking at one of the new ones, with all the specs maxed out. My MBP is two years old, running a 2.53GHZ processor with 4G of ram. I'm wondering if there's anyone on list who can give me an accurate comparison of the user experience on these two models. A couple of the things I'm wondering about are: 1. Speed. How will day-today- use compare. My MBP has the faster processor, but the Air has the solid state drive, which I assume will compensate, at least to some extent. 2. Sound quality? this won't be a deal breaker, but wondering how the two compare. If there are any other differences that people have experienced, either good or bad, I'd love to hear. Best, Donna P.S. I am aware of the connectivity differences, that's something I can live with. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
Hi Chris, In the past, I've always felt as you do, that the MBP is very easy to haul around. But unfortunately, I'm not just looking at schlepping my MBP to and from work. Every class I teach is in a different building, and all those buildings are different from the building where my office is. So I'll be carrying it around most of the day, along with a braille display. I do think I've decided though that the Air can't replace my MacBook. So I'll either be trying something like what you describe, or just getting the low-end model and using it for times when I want a lot of portability. Cheers, Donna On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: > Having shlepped my MacBook to work for many years I found that it wasn't that > big a deal in a nice backpack. I used to use those computer bags with a > shoulder strap but it started bothering my shoulder. I finally picked up one > for cheap from Megamacs and have really liked it. Very comfortable and more > pockets to lose things in :) Might be worth the $20 to find out. It's been > several years now but the one I got is still available: > > http://www.megamacs.com/index.php?action=frameview&id=3566552 > > Their cart UI doesn't move focus to the form input on each step so you have > to slog around to find where the form is, but it does work. I guess it's no > worse than many web shopping carts. > > CB > > On 8/14/11 7:46 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Since I'm going to be schlepping my Mac around a lot for work in the next >> several months, and possibly then some, I'm seriously considering shelling >> out the $$ for an 11-inch MacBook Air. I'm looking at one of the new ones, >> with all the specs maxed out. My MBP is two years old, running a 2.53GHZ >> processor with 4G of ram. I'm wondering if there's anyone on list who can >> give me an accurate comparison of the user experience on these two models. >> A couple of the things I'm wondering about are: >> 1. Speed. How will day-today- use compare. My MBP has the faster >> processor, but the Air has the solid state drive, which I assume will >> compensate, at least to some extent. >> >> 2. Sound quality? this won't be a deal breaker, but wondering how the two >> compare. >> >> If there are any other differences that people have experienced, either good >> or bad, I'd love to hear. >> Best, >> Donna >> >> P.S. I am aware of the connectivity differences, that's something I can >> live with. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
Some apps cannot be projected from an iPad. I am very happy with my Macbook Air, but I have not owned the Macbook Pro. I bought mine last year and got the extra RAM and larger hard drive in the smaller model. So it runs Lion just fine. If you can afford it, it is usually good to get a little more than you need right now to allow for future options. Kristyn On Aug 15, 2011, at 9:09 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi Joanne, > > I thought about that. But when I teach I hook my MBP up to the monitor in my > classroom, and use it to display material for my students. an iPad would be > a lot slower when I need to type information during class. My thinking was > that by the time I paired the iPad with a Bluetooth Keyboard, I wouldn't be > much more portable than I already am with my MBP. Good suggestion, though, > for other uses that would have made a lot of sense. > Cheers, > Donna > > On Aug 15, 2011, at 8:43 AM, Joanne Chua wrote: > >> hi Dona, >> >> just a thought, what about keeping the mbp as main computer, and get >> an ipad for your travel use? >> >> On 15/08/2011, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> Hi Ricardo, >>> >>> thanks for responding. What you said was pretty much what I expected, but >>> good to have it confirmed. As for high-resource tasks,I am hoping to do a >>> lot more with garage-band once I get a keyboard. But another option would >>> be for me to keep my MBP as my main computer, and just use the Air for >>> travel, teaching, and other situations where I need portability, which >>> speaks to your suggestion of just getting the standard 11 inch. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 7:01 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>> Hi Donna, There is a noticeable difference in sound from a macbook air to a macbook pro. But this is to be expected on a smaller machine. Sound is so poor in my opinion, headphones will come in handy a lot. Especially in noisy public environments. As far as performance, I don't think you will see any difference at all. From following your post the last couple years, you don't seem to do many resource intensive tasks like audio production, or anything like that. I think you could probably even be able to make do with the standard 11 inch air. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Aug 14, 2011, at 7:46 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi all, > > Since I'm going to be schlepping my Mac around a lot for work in the next > several months, and possibly then some, I'm seriously considering > shelling out the $$ for an 11-inch MacBook Air. I'm looking at one of > the new ones, with all the specs maxed out. My MBP is two years old, > running a 2.53GHZ processor with 4G of ram. I'm wondering if there's > anyone on list who can give me an accurate comparison of the user > experience on these two models. A couple of the things I'm wondering > about are: > 1. Speed. How will day-today- use compare. My MBP has the faster > processor, but the Air has the solid state drive, which I assume will > compensate, at least to some extent. > > 2. Sound quality? this won't be a deal breaker, but wondering how the > two compare. > > If there are any other differences that people have experienced, either > good or bad, I'd love to hear. > Best, > Donna > > P.S. I am aware of the connectivity differences, that's something I can > live with. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To uns
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
Having shlepped my MacBook to work for many years I found that it wasn't that big a deal in a nice backpack. I used to use those computer bags with a shoulder strap but it started bothering my shoulder. I finally picked up one for cheap from Megamacs and have really liked it. Very comfortable and more pockets to lose things in :) Might be worth the $20 to find out. It's been several years now but the one I got is still available: http://www.megamacs.com/index.php?action=frameview&id=3566552 Their cart UI doesn't move focus to the form input on each step so you have to slog around to find where the form is, but it does work. I guess it's no worse than many web shopping carts. CB On 8/14/11 7:46 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Since I'm going to be schlepping my Mac around a lot for work in the next several months, and possibly then some, I'm seriously considering shelling out the $$ for an 11-inch MacBook Air. I'm looking at one of the new ones, with all the specs maxed out. My MBP is two years old, running a 2.53GHZ processor with 4G of ram. I'm wondering if there's anyone on list who can give me an accurate comparison of the user experience on these two models. A couple of the things I'm wondering about are: 1. Speed. How will day-today- use compare. My MBP has the faster processor, but the Air has the solid state drive, which I assume will compensate, at least to some extent. 2. Sound quality? this won't be a deal breaker, but wondering how the two compare. If there are any other differences that people have experienced, either good or bad, I'd love to hear. Best, Donna P.S. I am aware of the connectivity differences, that's something I can live with. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
Hi Joanne, I thought about that. But when I teach I hook my MBP up to the monitor in my classroom, and use it to display material for my students. an iPad would be a lot slower when I need to type information during class. My thinking was that by the time I paired the iPad with a Bluetooth Keyboard, I wouldn't be much more portable than I already am with my MBP. Good suggestion, though, for other uses that would have made a lot of sense. Cheers, Donna On Aug 15, 2011, at 8:43 AM, Joanne Chua wrote: > hi Dona, > > just a thought, what about keeping the mbp as main computer, and get > an ipad for your travel use? > > On 15/08/2011, Donna Goodin wrote: >> Hi Ricardo, >> >> thanks for responding. What you said was pretty much what I expected, but >> good to have it confirmed. As for high-resource tasks,I am hoping to do a >> lot more with garage-band once I get a keyboard. But another option would >> be for me to keep my MBP as my main computer, and just use the Air for >> travel, teaching, and other situations where I need portability, which >> speaks to your suggestion of just getting the standard 11 inch. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> On Aug 15, 2011, at 7:01 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >> >>> Hi Donna, >>> >>> There is a noticeable difference in sound from a macbook air to a macbook >>> pro. But this is to be expected on a smaller machine. Sound is so poor >>> in my opinion, headphones will come in handy a lot. Especially in noisy >>> public environments. As far as performance, I don't think you will see >>> any difference at all. From following your post the last couple years, >>> you don't seem to do many resource intensive tasks like audio production, >>> or anything like that. I think you could probably even be able to make do >>> with the standard 11 inch air. >>> >>> Ricardo Walker >>> rwalker...@gmail.com >>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 >>> www.mobileaccess.org >>> >>> On Aug 14, 2011, at 7:46 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> Hi all, Since I'm going to be schlepping my Mac around a lot for work in the next several months, and possibly then some, I'm seriously considering shelling out the $$ for an 11-inch MacBook Air. I'm looking at one of the new ones, with all the specs maxed out. My MBP is two years old, running a 2.53GHZ processor with 4G of ram. I'm wondering if there's anyone on list who can give me an accurate comparison of the user experience on these two models. A couple of the things I'm wondering about are: 1. Speed. How will day-today- use compare. My MBP has the faster processor, but the Air has the solid state drive, which I assume will compensate, at least to some extent. 2. Sound quality? this won't be a deal breaker, but wondering how the two compare. If there are any other differences that people have experienced, either good or bad, I'd love to hear. Best, Donna P.S. I am aware of the connectivity differences, that's something I can live with. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=e
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
hi Dona, just a thought, what about keeping the mbp as main computer, and get an ipad for your travel use? On 15/08/2011, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi Ricardo, > > thanks for responding. What you said was pretty much what I expected, but > good to have it confirmed. As for high-resource tasks,I am hoping to do a > lot more with garage-band once I get a keyboard. But another option would > be for me to keep my MBP as my main computer, and just use the Air for > travel, teaching, and other situations where I need portability, which > speaks to your suggestion of just getting the standard 11 inch. > Cheers, > Donna > > On Aug 15, 2011, at 7:01 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Hi Donna, >> >> There is a noticeable difference in sound from a macbook air to a macbook >> pro. But this is to be expected on a smaller machine. Sound is so poor >> in my opinion, headphones will come in handy a lot. Especially in noisy >> public environments. As far as performance, I don't think you will see >> any difference at all. From following your post the last couple years, >> you don't seem to do many resource intensive tasks like audio production, >> or anything like that. I think you could probably even be able to make do >> with the standard 11 inch air. >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rwalker...@gmail.com >> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 >> www.mobileaccess.org >> >> On Aug 14, 2011, at 7:46 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Since I'm going to be schlepping my Mac around a lot for work in the next >>> several months, and possibly then some, I'm seriously considering >>> shelling out the $$ for an 11-inch MacBook Air. I'm looking at one of >>> the new ones, with all the specs maxed out. My MBP is two years old, >>> running a 2.53GHZ processor with 4G of ram. I'm wondering if there's >>> anyone on list who can give me an accurate comparison of the user >>> experience on these two models. A couple of the things I'm wondering >>> about are: >>> 1. Speed. How will day-today- use compare. My MBP has the faster >>> processor, but the Air has the solid state drive, which I assume will >>> compensate, at least to some extent. >>> >>> 2. Sound quality? this won't be a deal breaker, but wondering how the >>> two compare. >>> >>> If there are any other differences that people have experienced, either >>> good or bad, I'd love to hear. >>> Best, >>> Donna >>> >>> P.S. I am aware of the connectivity differences, that's something I can >>> live with. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
Hi Ricardo, thanks for responding. What you said was pretty much what I expected, but good to have it confirmed. As for high-resource tasks,I am hoping to do a lot more with garage-band once I get a keyboard. But another option would be for me to keep my MBP as my main computer, and just use the Air for travel, teaching, and other situations where I need portability, which speaks to your suggestion of just getting the standard 11 inch. Cheers, Donna On Aug 15, 2011, at 7:01 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi Donna, > > There is a noticeable difference in sound from a macbook air to a macbook > pro. But this is to be expected on a smaller machine. Sound is so poor in > my opinion, headphones will come in handy a lot. Especially in noisy public > environments. As far as performance, I don't think you will see any > difference at all. From following your post the last couple years, you don't > seem to do many resource intensive tasks like audio production, or anything > like that. I think you could probably even be able to make do with the > standard 11 inch air. > > Ricardo Walker > rwalker...@gmail.com > Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 > www.mobileaccess.org > > On Aug 14, 2011, at 7:46 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Since I'm going to be schlepping my Mac around a lot for work in the next >> several months, and possibly then some, I'm seriously considering shelling >> out the $$ for an 11-inch MacBook Air. I'm looking at one of the new ones, >> with all the specs maxed out. My MBP is two years old, running a 2.53GHZ >> processor with 4G of ram. I'm wondering if there's anyone on list who can >> give me an accurate comparison of the user experience on these two models. >> A couple of the things I'm wondering about are: >> 1. Speed. How will day-today- use compare. My MBP has the faster >> processor, but the Air has the solid state drive, which I assume will >> compensate, at least to some extent. >> >> 2. Sound quality? this won't be a deal breaker, but wondering how the two >> compare. >> >> If there are any other differences that people have experienced, either good >> or bad, I'd love to hear. >> Best, >> Donna >> >> P.S. I am aware of the connectivity differences, that's something I can >> live with. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: going from an MBP to a MacBook Air
Hi Donna, There is a noticeable difference in sound from a macbook air to a macbook pro. But this is to be expected on a smaller machine. Sound is so poor in my opinion, headphones will come in handy a lot. Especially in noisy public environments. As far as performance, I don't think you will see any difference at all. From following your post the last couple years, you don't seem to do many resource intensive tasks like audio production, or anything like that. I think you could probably even be able to make do with the standard 11 inch air. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Aug 14, 2011, at 7:46 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi all, > > Since I'm going to be schlepping my Mac around a lot for work in the next > several months, and possibly then some, I'm seriously considering shelling > out the $$ for an 11-inch MacBook Air. I'm looking at one of the new ones, > with all the specs maxed out. My MBP is two years old, running a 2.53GHZ > processor with 4G of ram. I'm wondering if there's anyone on list who can > give me an accurate comparison of the user experience on these two models. A > couple of the things I'm wondering about are: > 1. Speed. How will day-today- use compare. My MBP has the faster > processor, but the Air has the solid state drive, which I assume will > compensate, at least to some extent. > > 2. Sound quality? this won't be a deal breaker, but wondering how the two > compare. > > If there are any other differences that people have experienced, either good > or bad, I'd love to hear. > Best, > Donna > > P.S. I am aware of the connectivity differences, that's something I can live > with. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
