Re: [maemo-developers] wiiremote (Was: Nokia: simple method to gain agaming audience on 770/800)
The wiimote will not pair with the N800/770 via the onscreen dialogs because they force input of at least a one digit passkey for the bluetooth pairing. The wiimote doesn't make use of passkeys - it will simply pair without one. Cheers Kon On 1/24/07, Kees Jongenburger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Touch screen is good for games as well! See NDS. NDS out sells any consoles. PS3/Xbox360/Wii can never reach the figure. http://www.nintendo.com/systemsds What is needed is someone who really knows what is fun to play. Hello Alvis, I am still installing netscape to view the site but can you perhaps explain in your own words why NDS rulez them all? If you are one to those people who really know what is fun to play. Can you also explain to this nerdy programmer what the maemo gaming community must do, because I am a bit lost here? greetings ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Newcommer question(emulator/major work/discount)
Just check but seems scratchbox is only a crose-complier toolchain? -Original Message- From: ext Diego Escalante [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:57 PM To: Zhou Rui (Nokia-NET/Hangzhou) Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Newcommer question(emulator/major work/discount) On 1/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, Know maemo project for several months and start to do sth for it(or learn sth from it) now Well,The first thing you can do is to download and start using the maemo development platform But before that anyone can tell me something about maemo briefly: 1.has Emulator?(or must have N800 to test the application? No N800 at the moment) I don't know if it's the technically correct term, but you can use the maemo environment inside scratchbox that in practical terms will result in an emulator of the n800/n770 env. Read the tutorial for Bora (latest release): http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/Maemo_tutorial_bora.html Greetings, Diego ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] OS 2007 / 770 hacker edition
Hello Carlos and Markku this is pretty cool :-) Have a look at Markku’s notes (http://maemo.org/maemowiki/Os2007On770) if you are interested in the gory details. He’ll be updating these notes as he continues to work on this. Quite interesting reading. Found some of those bits about initfs and kernel too. An image will be available soon for download and flashing, to 770 users only. I guess including some sources - kernel at least (I am interested and maybe could even help) or all modified packages. After that, Maemo developers with a 770 and a bit of time on their hands are encouraged to check it out. I will and definitely try to help if possible. Few questions/ideas: Did you try to leave old kernel from 2.2006 and backport changes needed (if any) from rx-34 kernel? Seems easier than using rx-34 kernel directly (arch/arm/omap1/ is outdated). What newer kernel gives us? Same for initfs, what does break, dsme,bme? Thanks for the toolchain name, I had to build static version of evkey for bootmenu since I couldn't find correct uclibc toolchain. there is 'We used rx-34-initfs from apt-repository as a base' where is this, something internal? We will work on this still for some time though it is hard to say how long. It will also depend on how this is received. It might be that we can get more of the DSP and Multimedia to work, or maybe not. Could leaving old kernel, dspgateway, dsp_dld and all n770 codecs help with this? Updated gstreamer could be nice, though. Maybe some fixes in newer gst dsp plugins to make it work with older DSP stuff can make this possible? We can’t justify doing much work on this hybrid, our development focus is really on the N800. However, if we manage to make further progress we will release updated images. We’ll look at any patches that people in the Maemo community might turn up and consider applying them and releasing new images. We can’t promise we will do a good job there but let’s see what we can manage. Well I think community can (in theory) keep working on this and continue as long as is needed. What is not clear is how far we can go without those few but important closed bits (initfs - dsme/bme, config partition format, cal-tool etc., dsp stuff) and implications they have on the rest. This is again, something new for us, and we hope to learn something in the process. Yes, at least it can be another push to opensource something needed for this or reveal how far we can go without it. I am pleasantly surprised by the progress so far. Best regards, Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] OS 2007 / 770 hacker edition
Hi, -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Wahlau - Sent: 25 January, 2007 11:44 To: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] OS 2007 / 770 hacker edition hi, first of all thanks for the engineering version - at least some of us here will not find ourselves abandoned. :) my first concern is - performance... would the OS2007 for 770 work sacrificing speed and stability? Not exactly sure yet, but at least in maemo-af-desktop (aka Hildon Desktop) the changes aren't towards more demanding for the HW, in fact, there have been lots of optimization work. or it can work with OS2007 software at the OS2006 speed? Since N800 has better hardware spec, it might be possible that OS2007 will work on 770 ultimately, but not as smooth as how OS2006 does on 770. I could suspect that the most demanding softwares are those which are closed and not part of the hacker edition anyhow. Quite a bit of our development work was done with the old HW and Sardine anyway (e.g. jobi has used Sardine). Of course things will run a bit faster on the N800 HW because it is simply faster and there is more RAM available, but at least Hildon Desktop changes aren't the nature that it would make the OS2006 faster than the new hacker edition. I can tell more about it later (maybe on my blog) once I upgrade my 770 with the hacker-edition. I am currently runing the plain OS2006 on my 770 since I use most of the time the new N800 since it just looks feels so much cooler than the 770 (IMHO) - (combination of the new industrial design and new theme and such little neat details)). Best Regards, Karoliina http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog thanks. regards, wahlau On 25/01/07, Frantisek Dufka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Carlos and Markku this is pretty cool :-) Have a look at Markku's notes (http://maemo.org/maemowiki/Os2007On770) if you are interested in the gory details. He'll be updating these notes as he continues to work on this. Quite interesting reading. Found some of those bits about initfs and kernel too. An image will be available soon for download and flashing, to 770 users only. I guess including some sources - kernel at least (I am interested and maybe could even help) or all modified packages. After that, Maemo developers with a 770 and a bit of time on their hands are encouraged to check it out. I will and definitely try to help if possible. Few questions/ideas: Did you try to leave old kernel from 2.2006 and backport changes needed (if any) from rx-34 kernel? Seems easier than using rx-34 kernel directly (arch/arm/omap1/ is outdated). What newer kernel gives us? Same for initfs, what does break, dsme,bme? Thanks for the toolchain name, I had to build static version of evkey for bootmenu since I couldn't find correct uclibc toolchain. there is 'We used rx-34-initfs from apt-repository as a base' where is this, something internal? We will work on this still for some time though it is hard to say how long. It will also depend on how this is received. It might be that we can get more of the DSP and Multimedia to work, or maybe not. Could leaving old kernel, dspgateway, dsp_dld and all n770 codecs help with this? Updated gstreamer could be nice, though. Maybe some fixes in newer gst dsp plugins to make it work with older DSP stuff can make this possible? We can't justify doing much work on this hybrid, our development focus is really on the N800. However, if we manage to make further progress we will release updated images. We'll look at any patches that people in the Maemo community might turn up and consider applying them and releasing new images. We can't promise we will do a good job there but let's see what we can manage. Well I think community can (in theory) keep working on this and continue as long as is needed. What is not clear is how far we can go without those few but important closed bits (initfs - dsme/bme, config partition format, cal-tool etc., dsp stuff) and implications they have on the rest. This is again, something new for us, and we hope to learn something in the process. Yes, at least it can be another push to opensource something needed for this or reveal how far we can go without it. I am pleasantly surprised by the progress so far. Best regards, Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- = : : : --- normal reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] urgent reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- : : : == ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list
Re: [maemo-developers] to Nokia: simple method to gain a gamingaudience on 770/800
Yeah... and besides that, no specific tutorials for maemo game programming are available. We have to try using the same techniques as we do at Desktop games. This idea could be improved. []'s 2007/1/25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, thanks for sharing these thoughts. What is really interesting is the idea of raising and labeling core usages (i.e. gaming) so developers and advanced users can focus and collaborate around them: maemo for gaming, maemo for this, maemo for that. The result could be beneficial to everybody, with more applications being developed, more users knowing and using them and a more popular platform generating more and better software. I'd like to advance a proposal, mainly to Nokia's Tableteer site developers. (snip) [1] http://wiicade.com [2] http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/games/wii/ The content of your recommendation is interesting but you can probably point it to better directions. Tableteer is an official site while the sites you are recommending are not. The difference might be tiny from a user perspective (specially when unofficial sites look so good, work so well and are so popular) but the story behind the scenes is totally different. Should you then go and build an unofficial site for IT gamers à la wiicade? Well, maybe this is a challenge for someone. We have maemo.org. It's not unofficial, true, but it's community oriented and developers can upload software without corporate intervention in between. Developers upload, users download: this is the core functionality needed and behind the scenes we are providing it. From a user point of view, though, the story of wiicade.org and maemo.orgis totally different. Agreed. We have here two questions that would help finding the solution we want: 1. maemo is a development platform and the core focus of maemo.org is the community of developers. Do we want it to be a primary resource for end users as well? Yes or No, the answer leads to different paths. 2. If we want maemo.org to include also a specific story for end user gamers (and end user travelers, musicians, sysadmins, scuba divers or whatever) we will need to work on web architecture and layout. It's feasible, but not easy. These two questions already suggest that a determined independent webmaster could get a site up running while we discuss. :) The discussion is probably worth per se, though. -- Quim Gil Maemo team ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- Raul Fernandes Herbster Embedded and Pervasive Computing Laboratory - embedded.dee.ufcg.edu.br Electrical Engineering Department - DEE - www.ee.ufcg.edu.br Electrical Engineering and Informatics Center - CEEI Federal University of Campina Grande - UFCG - www.ufcg.edu.br Caixa Postal 10105 58109-970 Campina Grande - PB - Brasil ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] to Nokia: simple method to gain a gamingaudience on 770/800
Raul Fernandes Herbster wrote: Yeah... and besides that, no specific tutorials for maemo game programming are available. We have to try using the same techniques as we do at Desktop games. This idea could be improved. You mean something like this http://maemo.org/maemowiki/GameDevelopment ? Had to write 'game' in wiki searchbox and click 'Titles', pretty advanced stuff ;-) Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] RE: brightness Re: [maemo-users] Re: Storage/Sleep Issues..
On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 14:54 +0200, Salminen Karoliina.T (Nokia-M/Helsinki) wrote: Hi, Nothinig prevents you from creating a sysfs entry wich returns tahvo_get_backlight_level() or even a proc one, if you really are into that sort of thing. There is such entry - /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level One related thing would interest me: - would it be possible to crank the level up further than the 127 the number in /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level states when the display plugin has the maximum setting? i'm no hw guru, but afaik, no, we should already be providinig the maximum brightness possible. As I am part of the engine monitor and EFIS project, I would be interested if there would be some way to increase the daylight readability in challenging environment with direct sunlight hitting the screen on airplane panel through a clear canopy above the clouds where there is nothing blocking the sunlight coming with full power directly to the display where you are supposed to see some gauges. The N800 display already is somewhat better than the N770 for that, but more would be of course always better than less taking in addition that panel mounted airplane EFIS displays commercially available use ultra high brightness displays. In this environment the battery consumption is non-issue because the device is plugged all the time to charger. Ok, it might be also so that the 127 is the maximum the physical display panel can output and no more can be achieved, but I was just wondering if it wasn't. This may be fruitless speculation, but I would be glad if anybody of the hw gurus could enlighten me some? Thx. Best Regards, karoliina -- Cheers, Igor Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nokia M - OSSO /Helsinki Finland) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] to Nokia: simple method to gaina gamingaudience on 770/800
Raul Fernandes Herbster wrote: Yeah... and besides that, no specific tutorials for maemo game programming are available. We have to try using the same techniques as we do at Desktop games. This idea could be improved. You mean something like this http://maemo.org/maemowiki/GameDevelopment ? Had to write 'game' in wiki searchbox and click 'Titles', pretty advanced stuff ;-) Frantisek And also this from ot list of developer docs: http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_game_startup_bora.html Br, --jakub ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] to Nokia: simple method to gaina gamingaudience on 770/800
what i mean is a tutorial which gives us some tips to create more sophisticated user interfaces. GTK is good, but not sufficient to catch gamers attention. []'s 2007/1/25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Raul Fernandes Herbster wrote: Yeah... and besides that, no specific tutorials for maemo game programming are available. We have to try using the same techniques as we do at Desktop games. This idea could be improved. You mean something like this http://maemo.org/maemowiki/GameDevelopment ? Had to write 'game' in wiki searchbox and click 'Titles', pretty advanced stuff ;-) Frantisek And also this from ot list of developer docs: http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_game_startup_bora.html Br, --jakub -- Raul Fernandes Herbster Embedded and Pervasive Computing Laboratory - embedded.dee.ufcg.edu.br Electrical Engineering Department - DEE - www.ee.ufcg.edu.br Electrical Engineering and Informatics Center - CEEI Federal University of Campina Grande - UFCG - www.ufcg.edu.br Caixa Postal 10105 58109-970 Campina Grande - PB - Brasil ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] to Nokia: simple method to gaina gamingaudience on 770/800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And also this from ot list of developer docs: http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_game_startup_bora.html Althought I never considered this game startup/pause screen a good idea worth of implementing in any game but it is probably just me :-) To me it seem like it is result of typical Nokia non-multitasking way of implementing games in phones. Perfect for phone but not needed in proper multitasking environment with multiple windows and window/task manager. Second reason might be that the trick with SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS was not known in early IT2005 times so this was a way to avoid the missing icon in task manager. Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] to Nokia: simple method to gaina gamingaudienceon 770/800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And also this from ot list of developer docs: http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_game_startup_bora.html Althought I never considered this game startup/pause screen a good idea worth of implementing in any game but it is probably just me :-) To me it seem like it is result of typical Nokia non-multitasking way of implementing games in phones. Perfect for phone but not needed in proper multitasking environment with multiple windows and window/task manager. Second reason might be that the trick with SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS was not known in early IT2005 times so this was a way to avoid the missing icon in task manager. Frantisek The game startup screen meant for many things like e.g.: * make all games startup look the same * easy to make basic GUI for game setup (input methods do not work in SDL) * somehow easier to hook the game startup screen to D-Bus/GConf/system events/etc. Br, --jakub ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] OS 2007 / 770 hacker edition
An image will be available soon for download and flashing, to 770 users only. I guess including some sources - kernel at least (I am interested and maybe could even help) or all modified packages. Yes, we'll include the sources / patches to all open source packages that need to be modified, including the kernel. After that, Maemo developers with a 770 and a bit of time on their hands are encouraged to check it out. I will and definitely try to help if possible. Few questions/ideas: Did you try to leave old kernel from 2.2006 and backport changes needed (if any) from rx-34 kernel? Seems easier than using rx-34 kernel directly (arch/arm/omap1/ is outdated). What newer kernel gives us? If I remember correctly Markku considered this at some point. Markku? Same for initfs, what does break, dsme,bme? Thanks for the toolchain name, I had to build static version of evkey for bootmenu since I couldn't find correct uclibc toolchain. there is 'We used rx-34-initfs from apt-repository as a base' where is this, something internal? We will work on this still for some time though it is hard to say how long. It will also depend on how this is received. It might be that we can get more of the DSP and Multimedia to work, or maybe not. Could leaving old kernel, dspgateway, dsp_dld and all n770 codecs help with this? Updated gstreamer could be nice, though. Maybe some fixes in newer gst dsp plugins to make it work with older DSP stuff can make this possible? Probably. I had a chat a couple of days with Makoto and Andrea and they proposed keeping the OS 2006 DSP subsystem. Not sure about the kernel though, it might cause help work elsewhere. We can’t justify doing much work on this hybrid, our development focus is really on the N800. However, if we manage to make further progress we will release updated images. We’ll look at any patches that people in the Maemo community might turn up and consider applying them and releasing new images. We can’t promise we will do a good job there but let’s see what we can manage. Well I think community can (in theory) keep working on this and continue as long as is needed. What is not clear is how far we can go without those few but important closed bits (initfs - dsme/bme, config partition format, cal-tool etc., dsp stuff) and implications they have on the rest. Yeah. This will be interesting to see. This is again, something new for us, and we hope to learn something in the process. Yes, at least it can be another push to opensource something needed for this or reveal how far we can go without it. I am pleasantly surprised by the progress so far. It should help us refine our understanding of the trade-offs we are making when deciding to open/closed something Br, Carlos ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] OS 2007 / 770 hacker edition
hi, first of all thanks for the engineering version - at least some of us here will not find ourselves abandoned. :) my first concern is - performance... would the OS2007 for 770 work sacrificing speed and stability? or it can work with OS2007 software at the OS2006 speed? Since N800 has better hardware spec, it might be possible that OS2007 will work on 770 ultimately, but not as smooth as how OS2006 does on 770. It's hard to say right now, since we haven't tested this much. It should only be a matter of days for the image to be released so you will be able to see for yourself. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Will OLPC change Linux? / Will Java change Maemo ?
Hello list, I came across this article as subjected, consider me not much a wise guy for such comparisons but I'll generally like to know what Maemo developers think of OSS Java making any impact on Maemo project itself ? /kevin http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/betaliving/viewblogpost.htm?p=339270756 Python was originally the language of choice for OLPC but with the announcement of the open sourcing of Java, Blizzard said that the OLPC may move to Java as it is close to native speeds thanks to Java's jit (Just in Time) compiler and Python's interpreter being rather slow. One imagines that with the restricted hardware available that a slow interpreted language is the last thing you want, even if it is an exceedingly easy and powerful one. This is also the first impact I have seen from the open sourcing of Java. . What makes these choices far reaching is that if OLPC is successful, then the next generation of programmers will come from an environment that is Java based, uses bundles/images, and is ubiquitous. This is a vast change from the C based, package driven, fringe desktop that we live in today. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] This Nokia N800 discount code is for you
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007, Andrew Barr wrote: On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 19:16 +0100, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: I got it!! me too Thanks VERY MUCH Maemo Team! ack Really really really thank you! It was REALLY unexpected :) to say the least Ordered already. Can't wait to get it! sadly, I am having issues here and the phone people aren't much help. :-( The error I get when I submit my order: There was an error in processing your credit-card for this purchase. Your card has not been charged. Please contact us directly at 1-866-59NOKIA (1-866-596-6542). I've tried three different cards :-( USA based address, USA based card, at nokiausa.com... I called the number after I encountered the same problem--the person I spoke to said that there are currently problems processing the code (someone had already called). It doesn't seem to have anything to do with the credit card. He said that he will call me back, probably by the end of the day, when the problems are sorted out. Aaron ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] This Nokia N800 discount code is for you
On 1/25/07, Aaron Levinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I called the number after I encountered the same problem--the person I spoke to said that there are currently problems processing the code (someone had already called). It doesn't seem to have anything to do with the credit card. He said that he will call me back, probably by the end of the day, when the problems are sorted out. Sheesh, at least your fellow knew what was going on...do let me know what happens because all I got we're people who wanted my mobile phone number (again with the Nokia == phone thing...) and pronounced 'maemo' like it was the name of a newly discovered galaxy... :-) At any rate, color me surprised (and grateful) for any code at all... Andrew Aaron ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] wiiremote (Was: Nokia: simple method to gain agaming audience on 770/800)
Hi Kon, On Wed, Jan 24, 2007, Kon Wilms wrote: The wiimote will not pair with the N800/770 via the onscreen dialogs because they force input of at least a one digit passkey for the bluetooth pairing. The wiimote doesn't make use of passkeys - it will simply pair without one. Actually this is not quite correct. The wiimote doesn't support pairing at all (and if it did the Bluetooth specification would require a minimum one digit passkey). The connect that the UI allows you to do to paired devices simply calls the hidd --connect bdaddr command, so you should be able to connect to your wiimote just fine by issuing that command e.g. from the command line. Johan ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] This Nokia N800 discount code is for you
On Thursday 25 January 2007, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: I got it!! I got mine too! Thanks a lot to the Maemo team. Cheers, Israel ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] This Nokia N800 discount code is for you
Ok after a 30 minute converssation I have finally had my order accepted. You can't use the code online it says error processing credit card. You can't call 866-59nokia, they are clueless. You CAN call 888-665-4228 but level 1 support will just place the order at nokiausa and fail. You need get to Level 2 where they need to get premisson to accept the order, but a mgt member need to approve the code before it is actually shipped. Long and short is I won't get it before Wednesday, but the code *should* be honored. I have an order # I am happy. Thanks Maemo team! Brian On Thursday 25 January 2007 13:44, Andrew Barr wrote: On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 19:16 +0100, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: I got it!! me too Thanks VERY MUCH Maemo Team! ack Really really really thank you! It was REALLY unexpected :) to say the least Ordered already. Can't wait to get it! sadly, I am having issues here and the phone people aren't much help. :-( The error I get when I submit my order: There was an error in processing your credit-card for this purchase. Your card has not been charged. Please contact us directly at 1-866-59NOKIA (1-866-596-6542). I've tried three different cards :-( USA based address, USA based card, at nokiausa.com... Andrew -- Aniello Del Sorbo ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] This Nokia N800 discount code is for you
Warning-- do NOT empty your cart like I did. I got the exact same message and when I called the help desk I got passed to three different people, all of which said they couldn't help me. I tried emptying my cart to see if that would help in letting them process the code, but no dice. Once you enter the code (Whether the order completes or not!) it's locked out and no longer valid. I now had to find some kind soul on the Maemo team and try to convince them I really didn't use my code :-( Larry On 1/25/07, Aaron Levinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 25 Jan 2007, Andrew Barr wrote: On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 19:16 +0100, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: I got it!! me too Thanks VERY MUCH Maemo Team! ack Really really really thank you! It was REALLY unexpected :) to say the least Ordered already. Can't wait to get it! sadly, I am having issues here and the phone people aren't much help. :-( The error I get when I submit my order: There was an error in processing your credit-card for this purchase. Your card has not been charged. Please contact us directly at 1-866-59NOKIA (1-866-596-6542). I've tried three different cards :-( USA based address, USA based card, at nokiausa.com... I called the number after I encountered the same problem--the person I spoke to said that there are currently problems processing the code (someone had already called). It doesn't seem to have anything to do with the credit card. He said that he will call me back, probably by the end of the day, when the problems are sorted out. Aaron ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] This Nokia N800 discount code is for you
On 1/25/07, Larry Battraw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Warning-- do NOT empty your cart like I did. I got the exact same message and when I called the help desk I got passed to three different people, all of which said they couldn't help me. I tried emptying my cart to see if that would help in letting them process the code, but no dice. Once you enter the code (Whether the order completes or not!) it's locked out and no longer valid. I now had to find some kind soul on the Maemo team and try to convince them I really didn't use my code :-( So can I use these codes on the web or not? I've talked to at least three different people, including one in level 2 support at the number previously mentioned in this thread. I'd just as soon order off the web rather than have people tell me they have no idea what Maemo is every time I tell them where the discount code came from... Andrew ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] This Nokia N800 discount code is for you
On 1/25/07, Andrew Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/25/07, Larry Battraw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Warning-- do NOT empty your cart like I did. I got the exact same message and when I called the help desk I got passed to three different people, all of which said they couldn't help me. I tried emptying my cart to see if that would help in letting them process the code, but no dice. Once you enter the code (Whether the order completes or not!) it's locked out and no longer valid. I now had to find some kind soul on the Maemo team and try to convince them I really didn't use my code :-( So can I use these codes on the web or not? I've talked to at least three different people, including one in level 2 support at the number previously mentioned in this thread. I'd just as soon order off the web rather than have people tell me they have no idea what Maemo is every time I tell them where the discount code came from... I assume you weren't able to complete the order, calling about it? The first person I talked to said they were having issues with their systems when accepting credit card orders, and to try back later. The issue is, if you clear your cart or your session times out and clears the cart, you no longer have a way to place an order. Judging from the fact that there wasn't this outcry when they started sending out codes earlier this week I'm guessing that normally things work fine for online ordering. If anyone from the maemo coupon team is reading, I would appreciate some advice on how to work through this issue. Larry ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] This Nokia N800 discount code is for you
I got it!! I got mine too! Thanks a lot to the Maemo team. I received a code, thanks to the Maemo team. Now, I would like to ask how one is supposed to order from Canada? The Canadian Nokia store does not list it. Will the US store accept and order to Canada? Their contact form already proved that it was not suited for Canada (they expect a 5 digit Zip code, we have 6 alphanum postal code here). Note that I'm willing to wait a bit if that help getting things sorted out. Hub ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] This Nokia N800 discount code is for you
Larry, I am willing to bet your code works. The code is not valid at the Nokia US store. Although it registers, you cannot complete the transaction. (Credit Card verification failure. Read my post from before you can call and get it taken care of or wait. I bet by Monday they have it working right . Thanks Brian On Thursday 25 January 2007 15:30, Larry Battraw wrote: Warning-- do NOT empty your cart like I did. I got the exact same message and when I called the help desk I got passed to three different people, all of which said they couldn't help me. I tried emptying my cart to see if that would help in letting them process the code, but no dice. Once you enter the code (Whether the order completes or not!) it's locked out and no longer valid. I now had to find some kind soul on the Maemo team and try to convince them I really didn't use my code :-( Larry On 1/25/07, Aaron Levinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 25 Jan 2007, Andrew Barr wrote: On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 19:16 +0100, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: I got it!! me too Thanks VERY MUCH Maemo Team! ack Really really really thank you! It was REALLY unexpected :) to say the least Ordered already. Can't wait to get it! sadly, I am having issues here and the phone people aren't much help. :-( The error I get when I submit my order: There was an error in processing your credit-card for this purchase. Your card has not been charged. Please contact us directly at 1-866-59NOKIA (1-866-596-6542). I've tried three different cards :-( USA based address, USA based card, at nokiausa.com... I called the number after I encountered the same problem--the person I spoke to said that there are currently problems processing the code (someone had already called). It doesn't seem to have anything to do with the credit card. He said that he will call me back, probably by the end of the day, when the problems are sorted out. Aaron ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] This Nokia N800 discount code is for you
I got my code to work for US delivery, $125 total. It wouldn't accept the code until you picked a shipping method. I'm giving my 770 to another Linux developer who is going to pretty surprised when they find out. He has been lusting for one and couldn't afford it. -- Jon Smirl [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] This Nokia N800 discount code is for you
On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 15:55 -0500, Brian Waite wrote: Larry, I am willing to bet your code works. The code is not valid at the Nokia US store. Although it registers, you cannot complete the transaction. (Credit Card verification failure. Read my post from before you can call and get it taken care of or wait. I bet by Monday they have it working right . I have successfully ordered mine! I'll bet it could have worked earlier, but I discovered I was providing the wrong CC2 code from the formhistory for that credit card number :( All is well for me now, so I encourage everyone in the US who was having problems to try again. I'm off to class now. Regards, Andrew Barr Thanks Brian On Thursday 25 January 2007 15:30, Larry Battraw wrote: Warning-- do NOT empty your cart like I did. I got the exact same message and when I called the help desk I got passed to three different people, all of which said they couldn't help me. I tried emptying my cart to see if that would help in letting them process the code, but no dice. Once you enter the code (Whether the order completes or not!) it's locked out and no longer valid. I now had to find some kind soul on the Maemo team and try to convince them I really didn't use my code :-( Larry On 1/25/07, Aaron Levinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 25 Jan 2007, Andrew Barr wrote: On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 19:16 +0100, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: I got it!! me too Thanks VERY MUCH Maemo Team! ack Really really really thank you! It was REALLY unexpected :) to say the least Ordered already. Can't wait to get it! sadly, I am having issues here and the phone people aren't much help. :-( The error I get when I submit my order: There was an error in processing your credit-card for this purchase. Your card has not been charged. Please contact us directly at 1-866-59NOKIA (1-866-596-6542). I've tried three different cards :-( USA based address, USA based card, at nokiausa.com... I called the number after I encountered the same problem--the person I spoke to said that there are currently problems processing the code (someone had already called). It doesn't seem to have anything to do with the credit card. He said that he will call me back, probably by the end of the day, when the problems are sorted out. Aaron ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- Andrew Barr | http://www.pridelands.dyndns.org/ panthera leo anthro My life is an open book, but I'm not going to read it to you. -- David Hyde Pierce ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] This Nokia N800 discount code is for you
Brian, I saw your post so I'm hopeful I'll be able to call and get someone able to help me. However, the first time I tried placing the online order it accepted the code and deducted the coupon amount. Now it says the coupon has been used and refuses to take it (online, or when the people at the Nokia helpdesk tried it). Bummer. Larry On 1/25/07, Brian Waite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Larry, I am willing to bet your code works. The code is not valid at the Nokia US store. Although it registers, you cannot complete the transaction. (Credit Card verification failure. Read my post from before you can call and get it taken care of or wait. I bet by Monday they have it working right . Thanks Brian ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] This Nokia N800 discount code is for you
Ok, I misunderstood and thought they went out to the US on Tuesday. Anyway, Hooray --I went back in and tried it in a new browser session and it not only took the discount code, it completed the order successfully. I am one happy camper, thanks Maemo Team! Larry On 1/25/07, Brian Waite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The US discount code were released today. The Eurpoean codes went out before. US Nokia != EU Nokia. The delay was to sort out US infrastructure issues, which seems to not have been wholy successful. That said I imagine things will improve in the next day or 2. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] VMWare Appliance for MAEMO 2.0?
On 1/24/07, Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or someone can make a single VMWare appliance for both Maemo versions. It is posible to install the 2.1 SDK on Scratchbox 1.0 -- I've just done so, following the instructions on this page: http://syslog.movial.fi/archives/38-Scratchbox-Apophis-R4-released.html I've followed the steps, but the Xephyr is missing... where is it? ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] This Nokia N800 discount code is for you
Larry Battraw wrote: Ok, I misunderstood and thought they went out to the US on Tuesday. Anyway, Hooray --I went back in and tried it in a new browser session and it not only took the discount code, it completed the order successfully. I am one happy camper, thanks Maemo Team! Larry On 1/25/07, Brian Waite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The US discount code were released today. The Eurpoean codes went out before. US Nokia != EU Nokia. The delay was to sort out US infrastructure issues, which seems to not have been wholy successful. That said I imagine things will improve in the next day or 2. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers Well, I was going to wait because of all the troubles, but when I saw you had success, I went ahead and tried to order. I got the There was an error in processing your credit-card for this purchase message! Bummer! So for those who haven't tried, all is not quite well yet. I'll try again in a bit. And my thanks to the Maemo team also! ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] This Nokia N800 discount code is for you
Thank you maemo team! Already ordered. :) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Follow-up: N800 and Newton
Kalle wrote: 2007/1/25, Sean Luke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - It's true that different (Newton vs. GTK+) doesn't mean better. But IMHO it doesn't require rabid fanboyism to make a cogent argument that GTK+ is distinctly inferior to OS X Yes, obviously a widget toolkit has no chance against an operating system from an interface point of view... ;) :-) I meant Cocoa, of course. I can't defend Carbon. and maemo is inferior to NewtonOS from an interface point of view. That being said, it *was* fair mentioning where the Newton's _not_ all that hot, so I added some items there. But I think it's fairly objective: GTK+ may or may not be better than KDE's offerings perhaps, but as a GUI development environment it's a long way shy of environments like Cocoa and NewtonOS [and yes, I think Cocoa NewtonOS]. I think GTK+ developers and community would like to fix this, so could you perhaps elaborate on this long way Cocoa is more advanced than GTK+? What I've seen on my wife's Mac has really left me wondering what the heck is all the fuzz about the Mac UI. Sure, it has some millions of dollars spent on polish (as you point out below), but apart from few real solutions (which, btw, do not have anything to do with Cocoa) it really seems to be just a extra layer of varnish. The regular widgets seen in every window have basically the same functionality in both GTK+ and Mac UI, and I haven't yet seen anything that could not be implemented with GTK+ widgets if one wishes to do so. I promised not to go into further detail extensively: but what *I* think makes Cocoa impressive is not its prettiness. That's almost immaterial. It's the development environment's richness, consistency, and pervasiveness throughout the entire operating system. NeXT figured this out: if you give developers a collection of very rich and powerful tools, they have little need to build their own and thus make user experiences different from one another. Apple inherited that from NeXT. Among the highlights are one of the finest 2D graphics libraries anywhere (CoreGraphics), with easy support for very sophisticated PDF printing; elegant internationalization; easy multi-architecture binary support; and the finest typographic engine ever created (ATSUI). And a very _very_ nice widget set. One of my favorite Mac application houses is OmniGroup, whose wunderkind just left and founded Delicious Monster. Apps like Delicious Library, OmniWeb, and OmniGraffle are pretty strong examples of how you can take Cocoa and run with it. Low points include, I think: no GC, and QuickTime's API, which is pretty awful. As a developer, you'd do well to look into developing for OS X rather than examining its interface as a user. Even if you can't stand ObjC -- and some can't -- I think you'll still be impressed. Apple lucked out when they bought NeXT. (on a tongue-in-cheeck side note, GTK+ has traditionally been regarded as the fat cow of linux desktop toolkits while QT is seen as the flashy sleek one, so maybe you should take a look at Qutopia too and see if that's more to your liking?-)) No, I'm comfy with fat cows. My primary application development environment is Swing. :-( Anyway, there's something to be said for massive amounts of resources and UI expertise. Like Microsoft Windows has. Touche! But Microsoft is the counterexample to an amazing number of things! May I say that I expected rather more antagonism than I've gotten even with my obnoxious follow-up. The professionalism of this list is impressive. Sean ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Camera apps for N800
Hello list, Are there more applications to use the camera for capturing photos or videos ? Can the default behavior of camera pop-out be changed ? Regards, Kevin ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Phone management application
On 1/24/07, Anuj Verma (Kevin) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I'll really crap my phones as modems if I can ! I don't know what that means where you're from, but I'm really confused. Dan ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Re: Phone management application
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:03:34 -0800, Daniel Amelang wrote: I don't know what that means where you're from, but I'm really confused. Dan nevermind :-) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] USA shop trouble + update
Hi, Analyzing the sequence of emails in this list and my mailbox it looks like there was some trouble at the Nokia USA shop, although it seems that the customer support mechanism scaled up the issue and by now they are all aware and like able to solve problems (I need to confirm the latter, but the US is mostly in bed now). I have sent a summary of complaints to our contacts there, we will let you know about any relevant news. Since we maemo team are sending the codes, it is understandable that we get the complaints. However, please understand that we have no access at all to the shop machinery, nor we know what is going on when your credit card is not being accepted. Nokia USA support should still be your primary resource for getting the issues solved. Our indirect way to help you is getting in touch with the US shop management so they send the appropriate messages to the support lines your get in touch. We can help directly with the weirdest cases and rare exceptions, though. Just try hard first with their support channel, please. Hubert others, we have sent a US code to many non-US non-EU contributors around the globe. Yes, we know you can't get your N800 directly delivered at home. As explained the wiki page, you need to find out yourselves what to do next. We are not happy with this solution but it's the only realistic option we had. The alternative would be sending codes only to contributors living in countries where Nokia has online shops. We decided to send you the codes anyway, because you deserve them as much as the rest, regardless of where in the world you are actually contributing to this project. More questions are being answered in the updated http://maemo.org/maemowiki/N800DeveloperDeviceProgram We are about to close this program. We are still dealing with some worthy self-proposed contributors, some people needing EU US swapping codes and the support to issues encountered at the shop. The maemo coupon team (thanks Larry for the label) :) needs to move forward onto other things. -- Quim Gil Maemo team ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] to Nokia: simple method to gaina gamingaudience on 770/800
ext Raul Fernandes Herbster wrote: what i mean is a tutorial which gives us some tips to create more sophisticated user interfaces. GTK is good, but not sufficient to catch gamers attention. []'s Perhaps you should first share what are you trying to achieve? If you think of desktop games, it's mostly buttons, toolboxes (many buttons in row) and menu's (many 'buttons' again). Create a button class and then some classes on top of that. 2007/1/25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Raul Fernandes Herbster wrote: Yeah... and besides that, no specific tutorials for maemo game programming are available. We have to try using the same techniques as we do at Desktop games. This idea could be improved. You mean something like this http://maemo.org/maemowiki/GameDevelopment ? Had to write 'game' in wiki searchbox and click 'Titles', pretty advanced stuff ;-) Frantisek And also this from ot list of developer docs: http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_game_startup_bora.html http://maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_game_startup_bora.html Br, --jakub -- Raul Fernandes Herbster Embedded and Pervasive Computing Laboratory - embedded.dee.ufcg.edu.br http://embedded.dee.ufcg.edu.br Electrical Engineering Department - DEE - www.ee.ufcg.edu.br http://www.ee.ufcg.edu.br Electrical Engineering and Informatics Center - CEEI Federal University of Campina Grande - UFCG - www.ufcg.edu.br http://www.ufcg.edu.br Caixa Postal 10105 58109-970 Campina Grande - PB - Brasil ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers // Tapani ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] to Nokia: simple method to gaina gamingaudienceon 770/800
On 1/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * easy to make basic GUI for game setup (input methods do not work in SDL) Hello I guess anybody how is porting a SDL game will run into the keyboard issue problem. It would be nice if we can port existing SDL games but that really means that we need a cute keyboard input hack. I have been asking around but did not find a simple pluggable virtual keyboard for sdl. perhaps pointer to such resources would help. but otherwise I think some effort must be put into that. greetings ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
