[Mailman-Users] Re: [External] Re: Mailman 2 Issues With Processing Email
Since I had to wait to rejoin the list due to an email address change I managed to find my answer, or at least an answer that worked to get me back up and running. I came across an old list posting entitled "Mailman no longer working or working very slowly" that contained my answer. I ran the included withlist command several replies in that you posted about "find_bad" and it found the bad message with the list it was attached to. The quickest way in my case was to simply delete the list involved rather than find the list since that particular one had no real value and could be easily recreated. That got the service back up and running. So it may not have been the best solution but it was a solution that worked when I was in a tight spot. I think the message was one that was stuck in moderation as there were a few. Trying to delete it in there via the UI proved to be difficult since the list appeared to have a lock on it causing the web UI to time out, the quickest way out was to delete the involved list. Once that list was deleted things just started to work and I just recreated the list with no issues since then to speak of. Chris P -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2024 21:04 To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: [External] [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman 2 Issues With Processing Email On 8/30/24 12:00, chris.puchalski--- via Mailman-Users wrote: > I have an issue with mailman v2 where messages are coming in to the service > but not coming out. The error logs report: > > Aug 30 18:47:26 2024 (9118) send_digests() failed: maximum recursion > depth exceeded > > and an occasional: > > Failed to unlink/preserve backup file: *.bak Presumably the actual name is something like 1723478221.1125858+635319880943e83741c1a40db63b5de299575811.bak with different hex digits and not literally *.bak. What is the next line which is the actual reason? >>From the oldest recoverable logs (before they rotated and got removed) I also >>have: > > Aug 26 03:15:26 2024 (27646) send_digests() failed: maximum recursion > depth exceeded Aug 26 03:15:26 2024 (27646) Uncaught runner exception: > maximum recursion depth exceeded while pickling an object Aug 26 03:15:26 > 2024 (27646) Traceback (most recent call last): >File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 120, in _oneloop > self._onefile(msg, msgdata) >File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 191, in _onefile > keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) >File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in > _dispose > more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) >File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in > _dopipeline > sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) >File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToOutgoing.py", line 55, in process > outq.enqueue(msg, msgdata, listname=mlist.internal_name()) >File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 110, in enqueue > msgsave = cPickle.dumps(_msg, protocol) > RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded while pickling an > object This says that the specific message object can't be pickled, probably because it contains some circular reference. I don't know how that could happen. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/__;!!MvWE!CKoWzOsW1jpyJZ4UfPoSnKViUa9ompzCvW9gXlitG1hhO5HiCpi-h9lejzI_HV4t0JbeLkowkImZ9Go$ Mailman FAQ: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3__;!!MvWE!CKoWzOsW1jpyJZ4UfPoSnKViUa9ompzCvW9gXlitG1hhO5HiCpi-h9lejzI_HV4t0JbeLkowrK1Uj7E$ Security Policy: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9__;!!MvWE!CKoWzOsW1jpyJZ4UfPoSnKViUa9ompzCvW9gXlitG1hhO5HiCpi-h9lejzI_HV4t0JbeLkowpjit3p0$ Searchable Archives: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/__;!!MvWE!CKoWzOsW1jpyJZ4UfPoSnKViUa9ompzCvW9gXlitG1hhO5HiCpi-h9lejzI_HV4t0JbeLkowVSUAvuc$ https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/__;!!MvWE!CKoWzOsW1jpyJZ4UfPoSnKViUa9ompzCvW9gXlitG1hhO5HiCpi-h9lejzI_HV4t0JbeLkow2jsC1vw$ Member address: chris.puchal...@rtx.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.or
[Mailman-Users] Disabling digests
Hi all A question which came up after my problem with digests not being sent out: If I disable digests, so that new subscribers cannot choose how to receive messages - what hapens to existing "digest subscribers"? Are they automatically merged into the normal subscribers or do they just no longer receive anything from that list because no digest is created? Mailman runs in a cPanel environment. Christian -- Christian Buser, Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland) Hilfe fuer Strassenkinder in Ghana: https://www.chance-for-children.org ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@mail-archive.com
[Mailman-Users] Re: Digests are not sent
Hi Mark
Thank you for the analysis. I was about to send you the log just when I saw
your response.
I’ll let the provider know about your answer, but I have an additional question
here.
The list’s language on that cPanel page is set to German (preferred_language),
available_languages are set to German, French and English. Should that not also
cover non-ascii charcters in the „From:“-header?
Thank you, Christian
> Am 10.09.2024 um 02:55 schrieb Mark Sapiro :
>
> On 9/8/24 20:56, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> Find the error and traceback in Mailman's `error` log. See
>> https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%20and%20CPanel for more information.
>
>
> The log I received contains tracebacks like
> ```
> admin(24054): Traceback (most recent call last):
> admin(24054): File
> "/usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/mailman/scripts/driver", line 117, in
> run_main
> admin(24054): main()
> admin(24054): File
> "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 223, in main
> admin(24054): change_options(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc)
> admin(24054): File
> "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 1474, in
> change_options
> admin(24054): gui.handleForm(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc)
> admin(24054): File
> "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Gui/GUIBase.py", line 181, in
> handleForm
> admin(24054): self._setValue(mlist, property, val, doc)
> admin(24054): File
> "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Gui/Digest.py", line 148, in
> _setValue
> admin(24054): status = mlist.send_digest_now()
> admin(24054): File
> "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 60, in
> send_digest_now
> admin(24054): ToDigest.send_digests(self, mboxfp)
> admin(24054): File
> "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 157,
> in send_digests
> admin(24054): send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
> admin(24054): File
> "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 258,
> in send_i18n_digests
> admin(24054): addresses = getaddresses([Utils.oneline(msg.get('from',
> ''), lcset)])
> admin(24054): File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/email/utils.py", line 168, in
> getaddresses
> admin(24054): fieldvalues = [unicode(v) for v in fieldvalues]
> admin(24054): UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe4 in
> position 8: ordinal not in range(128)
> ```
>
> The issue is this is an English language list with the list's charset = ascii
> and there is a message in the digest mbox with a non-ascii display name in
> its From: header.
>
> In cPanel the digest mbox is at
> /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/lists//digest.mbox - you need to
> edit that file and remove ant non-ascii from From: headers.
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan
>
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Error Causing Emails To Deliver Extremely Late
Started getting complaints on slow delivery of emails and looking at headers it appears that emails are getting trapped in the service for a few hours (2-3 hrs) before coming back out. In logs I see this happening about every minute or so: Aug 30 16:28:02 2024 (2301) send_digests() failed: maximum recursion depth exceeded I have restarted most services and after that failed to resolve the issue rebooted the whole server but the error persists. We don't use digests and there has been no changes to the system in some time. Also this is the first time this has occurred. Any clues on how to resolve and possible prevent this from coming back? Also starting to see this in logs: "Failed to unlink/preserve backup file:" ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@mail-archive.com
[Mailman-Users] Mailman 2 Issues With Processing Email
I have an issue with mailman v2 where messages are coming in to the service but not coming out. The error logs report: Aug 30 18:47:26 2024 (9118) send_digests() failed: maximum recursion depth exceeded and an occasional: Failed to unlink/preserve backup file: *.bak >From the oldest recoverable logs (before they rotated and got removed) I also >have: Aug 26 03:15:26 2024 (27646) send_digests() failed: maximum recursion depth exceeded Aug 26 03:15:26 2024 (27646) Uncaught runner exception: maximum recursion depth exceeded while pickling an object Aug 26 03:15:26 2024 (27646) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 120, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 191, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in _dispose more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToOutgoing.py", line 55, in process outq.enqueue(msg, msgdata, listname=mlist.internal_name()) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 110, in enqueue msgsave = cPickle.dumps(_msg, protocol) RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded while pickling an object Aug 26 03:15:26 2024 (27646) Uncaught runner exception: maximum recursion depth exceeded while pickling an object Aug 26 03:15:26 2024 (27646) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 136, in _oneloop new_filebase = self._shunt.enqueue(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 110, in enqueue msgsave = cPickle.dumps(_msg, protocol) RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded while pickling an object How do I go about finding and correcting the issue? ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@mail-archive.com
[Mailman-Users] Digests are not sent
Hi all Mailing list running in Mailman 2.1.39 / cPanel. The digest option seems not to work. Users are complaining that they don’t receive the daily digests, and trying to send a digest manually with "send_digest_now" results in the following error message: Bug in Mailman version 2.1.39 We're sorry, we hit a bug! Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs or the web server logs. Any idea what we could do here? Thank you, Christian -- Christian Buser, Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland) ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Error messages from Mailman without "real content".
Hi all I just received the following message from our provider: > cPanel is aware of the bug and are working to resolve it. > Unfortunately, we have no ET for the resolution, but we'll place this > ticket (7814289) on hold for now and periodically check in to > determine when cPanel has fixed the problem. I expect they will push > the fix out in an automatic update. As your server checks for > software updates nightly, you may be made aware of the fix before we > respond back. So, it appears that there is some hope to receive meaningful error messages at some time... Have you all a nice weekend, Christian -- Christian Buser, Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland) Hilfe fuer Strassenkinder in Ghana: https://www.chance-for-children.org ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@mail-archive.com
[Mailman-Users] Re: Error messages from Mailman without "real content".
Hi Odhiambo No - this intallation is several years old. However, the errors occured only one or two weeks ago. fAnd we did not change anything in the lists settings. Our provider told us that he did an update of cPanel earlier, but such an action should not break anything on the server (at least I, as a non-professional, think so). Christian Odhiambo Washington <mailto:odhia...@gmail.com> 17. Juli 2024 um 11:05 Hi Christian, Is this a new installation of Mailman 2.x? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html <http://www.catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html>] ---------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Error messages from Mailman without "real content".
6):REDIRECT_STATUS: 1 admin(2756):SERVER_SOFTWARE: cpsrvd 11.110.0.36 admin(2756):DOMAIN: mus.ch admin(2756):SCRIPT_NAME: /cpsess7376809563/3rdparty/mailman/admindb admin(2756):SUBID: admin(2756):OPENSSL_NO_DEFAULT_ZLIB: 1 admin(2756):REQUEST_METHOD: POST admin(2756):CPANEL: active admin(2756):SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1 admin(2756):QUERY_STRING: admin(2756):PATH: admin(2756):REMOTE_DBOWNER: cpses_mu4lskjpa4 admin(2756):cp_security_token: /cpsess7376809563 admin(2756):ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate, br, zstd admin(2756):LANG: en_US.UTF-8 admin(2756):HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: admin(2756):REMOTE_USER: musch admin(2756):TZ: Europe/Athens admin(2756):HTTP_COOKIE: infoline_mus.ch+admin=28020069e9a48d6673280038373135306162303733643132373236643161393734613664313863376537323139666538353163; timezone=Europe/Berlin; roundcube_cookies=enabled admin(2756):SERVER_NAME: mus.ch admin(2756):REMOTE_PORT: 49703 admin(2756):HTTP_TRANSFER_ENCODING: admin(2756):PATH_TRANSLATED: /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/mailman/scripts/infoline_mus.ch admin(2756):SERVER_PORT: 2096 admin(2756):IS_TRIAL: 0 admin(2756):HOME: /home/musch admin(2756):SERVER_ADDR: 144.208.72.125 admin(2756):DOCUMENT_ROOT: /usr/local/cpanel/base admin(2756):CONTENT_LENGTH: 314 admin(2756):HTTP_STATUS: 200 admin(2756):CURRENT_USER_UID: admin(2756):PYTHONPATH: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman admin(2756):UPLINK: admin(2756):SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/mailman/scripts/driver admin(2756):SSL_PROTOCOL_VERSION: 3 admin(2756):DNT: admin(2756):HOST: mus.ch admin(2756):HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:127.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/127.0 admin(2756):HTTP_HOST: mus.ch admin(2756):HTTPS: on admin(2756):_RCUBE: musch admin(2756):REQUEST_URI: /cpsess7376809563/3rdparty/mailman/admindb/infoline_mus.ch admin(2756):HTTP_ACCEPT: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,image/avif,image/webp,*/*;q=0.8 admin(2756):SCRIPT_URI: /cpsess7376809563/3rdparty/mailman/admindb/infoline_mus.ch admin(2756):GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 admin(2756):TRANSFER_ENCODING: admin(2756):REMOTE_ADDR: 82.220.81.93 admin(2756): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: de,en-US;q=0.7,en;q=0.3 admin(2756): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate, br, zstd admin(2756):WEBMAIL: 1 admin(2756):REMOTE_TEMP_USER: cpses_mu4lskjpa4 admin(2756):CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded admin(2756):REMOTE_HOST: 82.220.81.93 admin(2756):cp_return_url: https://mus.ch:2083/cpsess3493869930/frontend/jupiter/mail/lists.html.tt admin(2756):PATH_INFO: /infoline_mus.ch Jul 15 15:14:13 2024 (3908) listinfo: No such list "listname_mus.ch": -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Error messages from Mailman without "real content".
Am 16.07.2024 um 20:44 schrieb Mark Sapiro : > The issue appears to be due to a combination of hold reason and/or rejection > reason as translated to German containing non-ascii together with trying to > treat these strings as ascii. The lists are all set up with „preferred_language“ = German „available_languages“ is set to German, English and French Thank you Christian -- Christian Buser, Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland) ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Error messages from Mailman without "real content".
lib64/python2.7', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/plat-linux2', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/lib-tk', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/lib-old', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/lib-dynload', '/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages', '/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/gtk-2.0', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages', '/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages', '/usr/lib/site-python'] admin(2756): sys.platform= linux2 admin(2756): [- Environment Variables -] admin(2756):REMOTE_PASSWORD: cpses_mu4lskjpa4[::cpses::]8uQqM3f0EuUPenG7bj99QBuyZSmCeMqH admin(2756):REAL_DBOWNER: musch admin(2756):DNS: mus.ch admin(2756):HTTP_REFERER: https://mus.ch:2096/cpsess7376809563/3rdparty/mailman/admindb/infoline_mus.ch admin(2756):REDIRECT_STATUS: 1 admin(2756):SERVER_SOFTWARE: cpsrvd 11.110.0.36 admin(2756):DOMAIN: mus.ch admin(2756):SCRIPT_NAME: /cpsess7376809563/3rdparty/mailman/admindb admin(2756):SUBID: admin(2756):OPENSSL_NO_DEFAULT_ZLIB: 1 admin(2756):REQUEST_METHOD: POST admin(2756):CPANEL: active admin(2756):SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1 admin(2756):QUERY_STRING: admin(2756):PATH: admin(2756):REMOTE_DBOWNER: cpses_mu4lskjpa4 admin(2756):cp_security_token: /cpsess7376809563 admin(2756): ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate, br, zstd admin(2756):LANG: en_US.UTF-8 admin(2756):HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: admin(2756):REMOTE_USER: musch admin(2756):TZ: Europe/Athens admin(2756):HTTP_COOKIE: infoline_mus.ch+admin=28020069e9a48d6673280038373135306162303733643132373236643161393734613664313863376537323139666538353163; timezone=Europe/Berlin; roundcube_cookies=enabled admin(2756):SERVER_NAME: mus.ch admin(2756):REMOTE_PORT: 49703 admin(2756):HTTP_TRANSFER_ENCODING: admin(2756):PATH_TRANSLATED: /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/mailman/scripts/infoline_mus.ch admin(2756):SERVER_PORT: 2096 admin(2756):IS_TRIAL: 0 admin(2756):HOME: /home/musch admin(2756):SERVER_ADDR: 144.208.72.125 admin(2756):DOCUMENT_ROOT: /usr/local/cpanel/base admin(2756):CONTENT_LENGTH: 314 admin(2756):HTTP_STATUS: 200 admin(2756):CURRENT_USER_UID: admin(2756):PYTHONPATH: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman admin(2756):UPLINK: admin(2756):SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/mailman/scripts/driver admin(2756):SSL_PROTOCOL_VERSION: 3 admin(2756):DNT: admin(2756):HOST: mus.ch admin(2756):HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:127.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/127.0 admin(2756):HTTP_HOST: mus.ch admin(2756):HTTPS: on admin(2756):_RCUBE: musch admin(2756):REQUEST_URI: /cpsess7376809563/3rdparty/mailman/admindb/infoline_mus.ch admin(2756):HTTP_ACCEPT: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,image/avif,image/webp,*/*;q=0.8 admin(2756):SCRIPT_URI: /cpsess7376809563/3rdparty/mailman/admindb/infoline_mus.ch admin(2756):GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 admin(2756):TRANSFER_ENCODING: admin(2756):REMOTE_ADDR: 82.220.81.93 admin(2756):HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: de,en-US;q=0.7,en;q=0.3 admin(2756):HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate, br, zstd admin(2756):WEBMAIL: 1 admin(2756):REMOTE_TEMP_USER: cpses_mu4lskjpa4 admin(2756):CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded admin(2756):REMOTE_HOST: 82.220.81.93 admin(2756):cp_return_url: https://mus.ch:2083/cpsess3493869930/frontend/jupiter/mail/lists.html.tt admin(2756):PATH_INFO: /infoline_mus.ch Jul 15 15:14:13 2024 (3908) listinfo: No such list "listname_mus.ch": Jul 15 16:55:56 2024 (20435) broken template: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/templates/de/postauth.txt 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xfc in position 72: ordinal not in range(128) Jul 15 19:20:29 2024 (20435) broken template: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/templates/de/postauth.txt 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xfc in position 72: ordinal not in range(128) -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Error messages from Mailman without "real content".
Christian, We have received the same error message with one of our email lists but not the others. The guidance is the same: Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs or the web server logs. I hope there is more insight, as we are unable to use this particular discussion list. Elizabeth Krone Plant Conservation Alliance From: Christian Buser via Mailman-Users Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2024 9:02 AM To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Mailman-Users] Re: Error messages from Mailman without "real content". This email has been received from outside of DOI - Use caution before clicking on links, opening attachments, or responding. Hi again Apparently, my attached images were stripped from the message. Here are the links to them: Errormessage..jpg: <https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.directupload.eu%2Ffile%2Fd%2F8615%2Fm3lmy4ft_jpg.htm&data=05%7C02%7Celizabeth_krone%40fws.gov%7C5fb7b5a28140478cb22408dca405bd13%7C0693b5ba4b184d7b9341f32f400a5494%7C0%7C0%7C638565591764460183%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C6%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Jp%2BPoBAxGFPNqzPZB8xPbShjguyEXKdLH8dzLFvCZuY%3D&reserved=0<https://www.directupload.eu/file/d/8615/m3lmy4ft_jpg.htm>> HitaBug.jpg: <https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.directupload.eu%2Ffile%2Fd%2F8615%2F2ymcvugr_jpg.htm&data=05%7C02%7Celizabeth_krone%40fws.gov%7C5fb7b5a28140478cb22408dca405bd13%7C0693b5ba4b184d7b9341f32f400a5494%7C0%7C0%7C638565591764469573%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C6%7C%7C%7C&sdata=H5fmulWNOC7DTA0ZKRrexf0dpw%2FW2Xm3zelkxW19npY%3D&reserved=0<https://www.directupload.eu/file/d/8615/2ymcvugr_jpg.htm>> Sorry for the trouble Christian -- Christian Buser, Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland) Hilfe fuer Strassenkinder in Ghana: https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.chance-for-children.org%2F&data=05%7C02%7Celizabeth_krone%40fws.gov%7C5fb7b5a28140478cb22408dca405bd13%7C0693b5ba4b184d7b9341f32f400a5494%7C0%7C0%7C638565591764476135%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C6%7C%7C%7C&sdata=1F4wc7aZ6llzLtOzej4iS84yf5cCLxO060rBF7h3R6s%3D&reserved=0<https://www.chance-for-children.org/> > Am 14.07.2024 um 14:49 schrieb Christian Buser via Mailman-Users > : > > Hi all > > We are running some lists using Mailman (obviously version 2.1.39) on cPanel > (110.0.36). > > For some days now, I have received 2 or 3 error messages which are not > telling me anything, see the "Errormessage.jpg" attached. Sorry, my error > message is in German, but I’ll quickly try to translate: > > "A message to the list was notdistributed and needs approval by you as an > administrator". > But I see nothing in the error message about the reason why it is held. > > I see the originally sent message to the list as an attachment, and I also > see the "confirm" message, which I could use to discard the message. > > Using confirm message works, but if I try to discard the message from > cPanel’s mailing list interface (open moderator’s actions, or how it could be > called in English), I get an error - see "HitaBug.jpg" attached. > > Our provider says he has no idea how to correct this behaviour (which is new > for me, it worked until probably a weeg ago). > > Thank you for any ideas. > > Christian > > -- > Christian Buser, Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland) > Hilfe fuer Strassenkinder in Ghana: > https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.chance-for-children.org%2F&data=05%7C02%7Celizabeth_krone%40fws.gov%7C5fb7b5a28140478cb22408dca405bd13%7C0693b5ba4b184d7b9341f32f400a5494%7C0%7C0%7C638565591764480116%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C60000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=JgrA5gXlKdPZyI4tcERLHCj02WGdsYts61wx8hRQbE0%3D&reserved=0<https://www.chance-for-children.org/> > > > > > > > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org > https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmail.python.org%2Fmailman3%2Flists%2Fmailman-users.python.org%2F&data=05%7C02%7Celizabeth_krone%40fws.gov%7C5fb7b5a28140478cb22408dca405bd13%7C0693b5ba4b184d7b9341f32f400a5494%7C0%7C0%7C638565591764483961%7
[Mailman-Users] Re: Error messages from Mailman without "real content".
Hi Mark Thank you for your response. I can see both images from both of my computers on that link. Okay then... Here is the text of "Errormessage". It includes the original message as well as a message to delette it from the queue: > Eine E-Mail an eine Mailingliste wurde nicht verteilt und benötigt > eine Freigabe durch Sie als Listenmoderator: > > Liste: %(listname)s@%(hostname)s > Von: %(sender)s > Betreff: %(subject)s > Grund: %(reason)s > > Bitte besuchen Sie bei Gelegenheit > > %(admindb_url)s > > um die E-Mail zu genehmigen oder abzulehnen. I’ll copy the person responsible for the server with this message. Manos, please read the text from Mark Sapiro below - I hope this helps. Thank you, Christian -- Christian Buser, Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland) Hilfe fuer Strassenkinder in Ghana: https://www.chance-for-children.org <https://www.chance-for-children.org/> Hello Mark Sapiro. On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 09:40:08 -0700, you wrote: > I see nothing useful at those links. The attached screenshots are > what I see. > > Just copy and paste the text from those pages rather than screen shots. > > Further, if HitaBug.jpg is just a page that says > > We're sorry, we hit a bug! > > Please inform the webmaster for this site of this > problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been > explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the > Mailman error logs or the web server logs. > > we can't begin to diagnose the issue without the traceback. > > See https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%20and%20CPanel > <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%20and%20CPanel> for more on > cPanel Mailman. > > -- > Mark Sapiro mailto:m...@msapiro.net>>The highway > is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Error messages from Mailman without "real content".
Hi again Apparently, my attached images were stripped from the message. Here are the links to them: Errormessage..jpg: <https://www.directupload.eu/file/d/8615/m3lmy4ft_jpg.htm> HitaBug.jpg: <https://www.directupload.eu/file/d/8615/2ymcvugr_jpg.htm> Sorry for the trouble Christian -- Christian Buser, Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland) Hilfe fuer Strassenkinder in Ghana: https://www.chance-for-children.org > Am 14.07.2024 um 14:49 schrieb Christian Buser via Mailman-Users > : > > Hi all > > We are running some lists using Mailman (obviously version 2.1.39) on cPanel > (110.0.36). > > For some days now, I have received 2 or 3 error messages which are not > telling me anything, see the "Errormessage.jpg" attached. Sorry, my error > message is in German, but I’ll quickly try to translate: > > "A message to the list was notdistributed and needs approval by you as an > administrator". > But I see nothing in the error message about the reason why it is held. > > I see the originally sent message to the list as an attachment, and I also > see the "confirm" message, which I could use to discard the message. > > Using confirm message works, but if I try to discard the message from > cPanel’s mailing list interface (open moderator’s actions, or how it could be > called in English), I get an error - see "HitaBug.jpg" attached. > > Our provider says he has no idea how to correct this behaviour (which is new > for me, it worked until probably a weeg ago). > > Thank you for any ideas. > > Christian > > -- > Christian Buser, Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland) > Hilfe fuer Strassenkinder in Ghana: https://www.chance-for-children.org > > > > > > > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ >https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ > Member address: lusche...@yahoo.de -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@mail-archive.com
[Mailman-Users] Error messages from Mailman without "real content".
Hi all
We are running some lists using Mailman (obviously version 2.1.39) on cPanel
(110.0.36).
For some days now, I have received 2 or 3 error messages which are not telling
me anything, see the "Errormessage.jpg" attached. Sorry, my error message is in
German, but I’ll quickly try to translate:
"A message to the list was notdistributed and needs approval by you as an
administrator".
But I see nothing in the error message about the reason why it is held.
I see the originally sent message to the list as an attachment, and I also see
the "confirm" message, which I could use to discard the message.
Using confirm message works, but if I try to discard the message from cPanel’s
mailing list interface (open moderator’s actions, or how it could be called in
English), I get an error - see "HitaBug.jpg" attached.
Our provider says he has no idea how to correct this behaviour (which is new
for me, it worked until probably a weeg ago).
Thank you for any ideas.
Christian
--
Christian Buser, Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland)
Hilfe fuer Strassenkinder in Ghana: https://www.chance-for-children.org
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Read-only file system
Yes a disk "failure" is possible, I recently had a Samsung 980 pro nvme drive runout of spare blocks (due to bad firmware), this made the file system readonly. Run smartctl on the disk(s) to check. regards Steven From: Robert Heller Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2024 8:21 am To: Mark Sapiro Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Read-only file system At Mon, 1 Jul 2024 12:45:11 -0700 Mark Sapiro wrote: > > On 6/30/24 17:27, John wrote: > > > line 136, in enqueue fp =en(tmpfile, 'w') IOError: [Errno 30] > > Read-only file system: > > '/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/in/1719765141.057583+cb104828efdd0023821ead337d3d60f72e949690.pck.tmp' > > > > Setting /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/in/ to have write permissions for all > > didnâEUR(tm)t fix the problem. > > > It is not clear what directory is the mount pount for this, but it is > mounted read-only. No one, not even root, can write to it. Look at > /etc/fstab If there was some sort of error, the file system would automatically be re-mounted read-only. Something like a power glitch, etc. can do this. Also a failing disk (sudden bad sector reads or writes). > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > ---------- > Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org > https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmail.python.org%2Fmailman3%2Flists%2Fmailman-users.python.org%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csteven.jones%40vuw.ac.nz%7C854ca3d22ee94fee6d9808dc9a0cd701%7Ccfe63e236951427e8683bb84dcf1d20c%7C0%7C0%7C638554627167833322%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ogMZWlOauOoLoMVcfdjkAbd31MmOW8fV7k9YFLZny74%3D&reserved=0<https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/> > Mailman FAQ: > https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.list.org%2Fx%2FAgA3&data=05%7C02%7Csteven.jones%40vuw.ac.nz%7C854ca3d22ee94fee6d9808dc9a0cd701%7Ccfe63e236951427e8683bb84dcf1d20c%7C0%7C0%7C638554627167844037%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=8tpu08ng90WCrxVLekk7ArywQyn9tOqPOzv3W4KJCUE%3D&reserved=0<http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3> > Security Policy: > https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.list.org%2Fx%2FQIA9&data=05%7C02%7Csteven.jones%40vuw.ac.nz%7C854ca3d22ee94fee6d9808dc9a0cd701%7Ccfe63e236951427e8683bb84dcf1d20c%7C0%7C0%7C638554627167851045%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=qyqhZvR8GPPZtF34Pw1svprYSYAFq6ZfKmRZGm3MyLs%3D&reserved=0<http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9> > Searchable Archives: > https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fmailman-users%40python.org%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csteven.jones%40vuw.ac.nz%7C854ca3d22ee94fee6d9808dc9a0cd701%7Ccfe63e236951427e8683bb84dcf1d20c%7C0%7C0%7C638554627167855494%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=gu7twmNSX68pqL7lzO8%2FOAJDZ1OAPNhCwEbmEnrZU7Y%3D&reserved=0<https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/> > > https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmail.python.org%2Farchives%2Flist%2Fmailman-users%40python.org%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csteven.jones%40vuw.ac.nz%7C854ca3d22ee94fee6d9808dc9a0cd701%7Ccfe63e236951427e8683bb84dcf1d20c%7C0%7C0%7C638554627167859589%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Xp9r6kY0SNCCPXOJ%2BWcSyOd%2FNxBXiNIt1ZxF8udHHIk%3D&reserved=0<https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/> > Member address: hel...@deepsoft.com > > -- Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 GV: 978-633-5364 Deepwoods Software-- Custom Software Services https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.deepsoft.com%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csteven.jones%40vuw.ac.nz%7C854ca3d22ee94fee6d9808dc9a0cd701%7Ccfe63e236951427e8683bb84dcf1d20c%7C0%7C0%7C638554627167864182%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=qm4l7rMm9RxwLTB%2FT%2FtTqj7Iswnbn4nIiPsm5pqRCnY%3D&reserved=0<http://www.deepsoft.com/> -- Linux Administration Services hel...@deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-u
[Mailman-Users] Re: [ext] List_Members from Command Line Permission
* Dennis Putnam : > I am developing a script that gets a list of members from a mailing list > (mailman 2.1.15). I'm using popen (in python 2.7.5) to issue the command. > However, even though I am running it as admin for that list, I'm getting a > permissions error. How/what do I need to set in order to run that command? > > def getUsers(): > "This function returns a list of users from mailman" > p=subprocess.Popen(["/usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members","listname"],stdout=subprocess.PIPE) > lines=p.stdout.readlines() > p.wait > return(lines) I guess the script must run as user "mailman" or "root" Which error messag exactly? -- Ralf Hildebrandt Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netz | Netzwerk-Administration Invalidenstraße 120/121 | D-10115 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 ralf.hildebra...@charite.de https://www.charite.de signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: problem with non-member Sender rules
Straight redirect with an alias. -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2024 10:18 AM To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Mailman-Users] Re: Re: problem with non-member Sender rules On 6/27/24 4:15 AM, Laack, Andrea P. via Mailman-Users wrote: > They are sent to a mail group which goes to all of the system admins. How does this work. Is this a straight redirect as with an alias, or is some process involved? The *_these_nonmembers rules test the one address returned by the Message.get_sender() method. See the doc string at https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/Mailman/Message.py#L115 for how this is determined and how it is affected by the mm_cfg.USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER setting. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: laack.and...@mayo.edu -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@mail-archive.com
[Mailman-Users] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: problem with non-member Sender rules
They are sent to a mail group which goes to all of the system admins. Andrea From: Odhiambo Washington Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2024 4:41 AM To: Laack, Andrea P. Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Mailman-Users] problem with non-member Sender rules On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 12:05 AM Laack, Andrea P. via Mailman-Users mailto:mailman-users@python.org>> wrote: Our non-member Sender rules work fine with emails coming directly from the sender, but our servers send emails to root@ and those are forwarded to the mail list. The Sender filters do not seem to be working on this forwarded email. How can we get around this? On Unix systems, emails sent to root@ should be aliased to the System Administrator's email address, i.e. laack.and...@mayo.edu<mailto:laack.and...@mayo.edu>. They should NEVER be sent anywhere else. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html] ---------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@mail-archive.com
[Mailman-Users] problem with non-member Sender rules
Our non-member Sender rules work fine with emails coming directly from the sender, but our servers send emails to root@ and those are forwarded to the mail list. The Sender filters do not seem to be working on this forwarded email. How can we get around this? Andrea Andrea Laack Research & Tech Innov Svcs Mayo Clinic 507-538-3831 laack.and...@mayo.edu ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@mail-archive.com
[Mailman-Users] Retaining Sender's Email ID
Hi, Please let me know how to implement the following requirement. I'm using Mailman 2.1.26 with Postfix MTA and smtp.office365.com for email relay. The issue is that the sender's email ID is rewritten with an email ID used for office365 authentication in the approved messages. My question is, is it possible to retain the sender's email ID in the approved messages? If yes, what changes are needed in Postfix or MM config. Right now, the approved messages have nore...@abc.abc as the sender, which is the email ID used for office365 authentication. Thanks for your attention. - Francis ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Need help diagnosing an intermittent DMARC mung failure
On Sat, 2024-04-20 at 20:08 -0500, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: > > Are there any log entries, or debugging, that could be enabled / > turned up to help diagnose this? The vette log should have info about the dmarc lookups or lack of dmarc for a domain. -Jim P. ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Need help diagnosing an intermittent DMARC mung failure
On 4/20/24 08:21, Jim P. via Mailman-Users wrote: Does the sender have an internationalized domain name (IDN)? Nope. My domain is one of them. Yahoo is another. The 3rd, which I don't remember at the moment, is a .net or .com. Are you able to reliably dig the sender's DMARC record over and over in a loop to test the reliability of the sender's DNS, perhaps even testing each of their nameservers independently? I've not tested this specifically. But I've not seen this symptom for my domain on any of the other hundreds of mailing lists that I'm on. Nor have I seen it for Yahoo anywhere else. I see folks all the time that have DNS servers out of sync. I think that's a fair question to ask. I'm fairly certain that's not the problem here. That being said, I can't guarantee that the DNS server(s) on the host in question isn't / aren't having problems. I'll do some testing therefrom. Are there any log entries, or debugging, that could be enabled / turned up to help diagnose this? -- Grant. . . . smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ---------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Need help diagnosing an intermittent DMARC mung failure
On Fri, 2024-04-19 at 22:55 -0500, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'd like some help diagnosing an intermittent DMARC mung failure on
> Mailman 2.1.29.
>
> Some of the time DMARC munging works perfectly fine, and then seemingly
> with no configuration changes, DMARC munging stops working. Then after
> restarting Mailman it may start working again. -- We don't have hard
> consistent data yet.
>
> But we do have a sender that some of the time their system their
> messages come through with "First Last via List"
> and then other times their messages come
> through with "First Last" .
>
> No changes on the senders side / infrastructure and no changes on the
> mailing list config / infrastructure.
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations on how to start troubleshooting this?
Does the sender have an internationalized domain name (IDN)? The Utils.py logic
that determines the domain to query for DMARC is based on this code which I've
always wondered how that would work with IDNs.
email = email.lower()
# Scan from the right in case quoted local part has an '@'.
at_sign = email.rfind('@')
if at_sign < 1:
return False
Are you able to reliably dig the sender's DMARC record over and over in a loop
to test the reliability of the sender's DNS, perhaps even testing each of their
nameservers independently? I see folks all the time that have DNS servers out
of sync.
-Jim P.
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[Mailman-Users] Need help diagnosing an intermittent DMARC mung failure
Hi, I'd like some help diagnosing an intermittent DMARC mung failure on Mailman 2.1.29. Some of the time DMARC munging works perfectly fine, and then seemingly with no configuration changes, DMARC munging stops working. Then after restarting Mailman it may start working again. -- We don't have hard consistent data yet. But we do have a sender that some of the time their system their messages come through with "First Last via List" and then other times their messages come through with "First Last" . No changes on the senders side / infrastructure and no changes on the mailing list config / infrastructure. Does anyone have any recommendations on how to start troubleshooting this? N.B. I don't have root on the system but I do have the ear of people that do. I might be able to check logs if I have read permission on them. I'm not seeing any obvious problems in the logs that I can read. I may have to relay diagnostic requests to the admins if I don't have permission. -- Grant. . . . smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -------------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@mail-archive.com
[Mailman-Users] searchable archive
I am setting up a Mailman 2 instance and am looking for a searchable archiver. Is there anything available for Mailman 2 that provides searching? Andrea Andrea Laack Research & Tech Innov Svcs Mayo Clinic 507-538-3831 laack.and...@mayo.edu ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: [ext] Re: Create a list with multiple admins?
* Barry S. Finkel : > For MM2, Mark gave me a patch to allow multiple owners; I'd be interested :) > only the first one in the string was checked. But that > was not a problem for me. Anyone who wants can contact me > off-list, and I will try to see if I have that patch in my > archives. I no longer have access to that Mailman system. -- Ralf Hildebrandt Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netz | Netzwerk-Administration Invalidenstraße 120/121 | D-10115 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 ralf.hildebra...@charite.de https://www.charite.de ---------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Noobie: Where's default_moderation_action?
Mark, thank you so much. It was just where you said it would be. Thanks for your help. -Kevin -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Noobie: Where's default_moderation_action?
Hello, all, I'm starting to configure and maintain my first email list, using Mailman 2.1.39, primarily through the mailing list administration web pages. The list is an announcement-only list, with about 5 of the subscribers allowed to post messages. Periodically, I get a new batch of a dozen or so subscribers, that I subscribe using 'Mass subscription.' Then, since the new user's moderation flag is not set, I have to set everyone's moderation flag to On, using the checkbox on the Membership Management page. But, this sets the moderation flag for the five authorized posters, so I have to look each one up and manually unset their moderation flag. How can I avoid these actions and default to 'moderation required' for all new subscribers? I found something about the 'default_moderation_action' variable, but I can't find this in the web interface pages for Mailman 2.1.39. Am I overlooking it somewhere? Thanks for your help and advice. -Kevin -------------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@mail-archive.com
[Mailman-Users] Re: [ext] Re: Create a list with multiple admins?
> > Using mailman-2.6.x: > > > > I never saw that version. Right now you'd be advised to run 2.1.39 if you > must stick with 2.x Did too much openvpn stuff recently, so I mistook openvpn-2.6.x with Mailman 2.1.39 (which I'm actually using). > Option 1 - make multiple addresses get the "Your list has been created > email": > > It's easy enough to fake it during list creation. Just create an alias with > the "multiple address" in your MTA > and when prompted for the List admin address, enter the alias from above :-) > No code change is needed. Argh. That is an ugly hack. I helped myself by simply filling in my address, changing the admins and then bouncing the mail I received to the "new" admins. -- Ralf Hildebrandt Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netz | Netzwerk-Administration Invalidenstraße 120/121 | D-10115 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 ralf.hildebra...@charite.de https://www.charite.de ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Create a list with multiple admins?
Using mailman-2.6.x: Is it possible to create a list (via CLI or the WUI) which has multiple owner addresses? Why? Often my users want lists with multiple owners, and so I need a way of EITHER: * creating the list with multiple owners, all of which are getting the "Your list has been created"-email OR * re-sending the "Your list has been created"-Email after I manually added the extra owners Enlighten me! -- Ralf Hildebrandt Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netz | Netzwerk-Administration Invalidenstraße 120/121 | D-10115 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 ralf.hildebra...@charite.de https://www.charite.de ---------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@mail-archive.com
[Mailman-Users] Re: Non-delivery of approved messages
Thank you, Stephen, for your valuable suggestions regarding Mailman hosting services. We greatly appreciate your input and will carefully consider them as we take it forward. With regards, Francis From: Stephen J. Turnbull Sent: 26 February 2024 15:29 To: Francis Jayakanth Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Non-delivery of approved messages External Email Francis Jayakanth writes: > Transforming to a hosted service would alleviate the technical > burden and ensure the smooth operation of the list. If anyone has > recommendations or experiences with reliable and affordable hosted > services for Mailman list management, I would greatly appreciate > your insights and guidance. For reasons I don't understand (I guess the vast majority of our subscribers administer their own hosts?), this kind of request rarely gets much response. There is a substantial list of hosting services at https://wiki.list.org/COM/Mailman%20hosting%20services. The ones who list prices all look pretty "reasonable" to me, but YMMV. Of those, EMWD (near the top) put a lot of effort into its offerings including writing completely new front ends for administration and archiving. I like ours better, but theirs are slick and definitely simpler. Brian (the founder) put substantial effort in on our lists helping users directly and was circumspect about mentioning his own company. He also produced excellent documentation for setting up a dedicated Mailman 3 server. The management has changed since due to Brian's untimely passing, and they're not as hacking-oriented as he was, but I've seen nothing that diminishes their reputation for service. They have been responsive to our occasional inquiries, but they're much less present here than before. IIRC, mailman3.com and mailman4.com are run by the same company. I'm pretty the principal is a frequent contributor to Mailman development, both directly and as a mentor in GSoC (though not a core developer). I can't say anything about service from experience or reputation here, and he's less present on the user lists than Brian was. I would suggest that you start by looking at that list. (Note that the order is chronological, oldest listings at the top, and I wouldn't attach much if any significance to order.) For your situation as you describe it, I would suggest looking at those where the focus is clearly on Mailman first. Folks who offer generic hosting can easily offer Mailman, but in that class service is spotty. Some are very good, I'm sure (and for that reason their customers don't show up here to compliment them! :-( ). Others are not so great for Mailman, some even say "we just install Mailman and cPanel the rest is up to you". If you have interest in a few specific providers, you could ask here. It might be useful to specify you want private answers. Steve ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Non-delivery of approved messages
Thank you, Stephen. Your suggestions were helpful, and I genuinely appreciate
the time and effort you took to provide insights.
However, after careful consideration, I realised that implementing the
technical suggestions might be beyond my current capabilities. I'm now
exploring migrating to a hosted service to manage the list.
Transforming to a hosted service would alleviate the technical burden and
ensure the smooth operation of the list. If anyone has recommendations or
experiences with reliable and affordable hosted services for Mailman list
management, I would greatly appreciate your insights and guidance.
Additionally, if there are specific features or considerations I should
consider when evaluating hosted services, please feel free to share your
thoughts.
Once again, thank you for your assistance and support.
With regards, Francis
From: Stephen J. Turnbull
Sent: 07 February 2024 13:20
To: Francis Jayakanth
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Non-delivery of approved messages
External Email
Francis Jayakanth via Mailman-Users writes:
> The list is running on Mailman 2.1.26.
If possible you should upgrade Mailman, currently at version 2.1.39.
Almost all of the releases since 2.1.26 are primarily oriented to
"security" and "reliability" issues. I don't recally any offhand that
would help alleviate your current problem, but who knows? And the
changes address genuine vulnerabilities that have been exploited at
many sites in the past.
> During the last couple of weeks, approved messages are not being
> delivered to the list members. When I check the Email &
> collaboration alerts in the Microsoft 365 Admin Portal, I see the
> following message:
Do you mean that Microsoft provides the email services to your
organization or to a host that your organization uses, and they're not
letting *your* traffic go out to *anyone*? That's a new one to me.
"Shocked but not surprised", as the saying goes.
Your problem is with Microsoft. You need to get their help,
especially if they are providing your email services. They do not
tell us why they block some messages or some users rather than others,
and it often seems completely random. Here it sounds like the
"suspicious activity" is sending lots of mail to many addresses. Ie,
you're being throttled *because* you're running a mailing list. But
you'll have to negotiate with them if that's what's happening.
The generic recommendations are
1. Get your users off Google, Yahoo, Verizon, and Office365. Yeah, I
know that's "impossible", but it's the single most effective
method for improving the experience of mailing list subscribers.
2. If you manage your own mail system, make sure your DNS records for
SPF and DKIM are in order, and that your MTA is configured to sign
messages properly. If somebody else is responsible for that, ask
them to check and fix any problems. (This applies to 3 throuhg 7
below, too.)
3. Implement DMARC on your system. This doesn't have a standards-
based effect on posters whose email accounts are not on your host,
but it may enhance your site's general reputation.
4. Implement the ARC (Authenticated Received Chain) protocol. The
basic idea is that any change your mailing list makes such as
adding list tags to the Subject or an organizational footer to the
body of the mail will break the DKIM signature that attests that a
valid user on the original sending system (the author or "From"
address) sent the mail. ARC allows you to say (in a way that some
email software understands) "We validated this message, the
signatures were in order, and if it turns out to be spam or
whatever you can blame us. Here's our signature so you can
believe it." I don't know offhand if Microsoft implements it or
if they put much weight on it, but it can't hurt. Google and
Yahoo do put a fair amount of trust in it, I'm told.
The following advice is generally good, but it may not be influencing
your current problem.
5. Put spam filters on your *outgoing* mail. Folks are of two minds
about this (if you're primarily a mailing list site and you filter
incoming, you won't catch anything new going out), but sometimes
you can catch things going out that you wouldn't catch coming in.
This is especially true if you use Bayesian or "machine
learning"-based spam filters so you can use experience to tell
them in the context of the mailing list whether it's spam or not.
6. Check your moderation queues ("held messages") for unusual amounts
of spam -- some of it may be getting through to your subscribers.
7. Check the subscription queues ("awaiting address confirmati
[Mailman-Users] Re: Text encoding of digests
Hello Mark Sapiro. On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 14:50:37 -0800, you wrote:
> If in the web admin UI you go to Language options and set
> preferred_language to German (you may also need to select German
> under available_languages), I think that will work, assuming the
> current preferred_language is English.
I changed this now, and will see what happens.
> A better solution is to set the character set for English to UTF-8,
> but that requires access to mm_cfg.py on the server, see
> <https://wiki.list.org/x/15958250>.
As you said, this is not possible with the cPanel version of Mailman.
> Of course setting the list's preferred_language to German will have
> other effects which may be unwanted such as changing the default
> language of the web UI and translating the digest boilerplate.
This is not a problem for me, I am native German speaking, bur worked half of
my life in companies where the office language was English :-)
Thank you
Christian
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[Mailman-Users] Text encoding of digests
Hi all I have a list with Mailman 2.1.39 running on cPanel (so, no direct access to the server settings). When the daily digest is sent, it comes with these headers: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit even if messages are sent with charactest "outside" the 7bit us-ascii table. Therefore, all these characters are replaced by a question mark (?), making the text difficult to read. Contrary to the digests, individual messages come perfectly with encoding "utf-8": Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 I did not find the possibility to change the header in the "digest options" of the mailing list. Thank you for your ideas Christian -- Christian Buser, Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland) Hilfe für Strassenkinder in Ghana: https://www.chance-for-children.org ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@mail-archive.com
[Mailman-Users] Re: Mails are sent in tranches of 100
Am 16.02.24 um 23:22 schrieb Christian via Mailman-Users:
Hello Andreas Grupp via Mailman-Users. On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 12:34:35 +0100, you
wrote:
An > e-mail to a list of 600+ members is sent in tranches of 100
e-mails per sending process.
Possible that your SMTP server has a sending limit per hour or so?
No, Postfix on the same machine and is sending several thousand mails in
8 hours. Sending for example 600 mails, coming from a forum in a
Learning Management System, is done in one step in only a few seconds.
I can see in the mail log that there are only 100 mails delivered from
Mailman3 to Postfix. The only thing I've changed to the standard Debian
configuration was due to error mails coming form Django. So I inserted
to /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py at the end the following lines:
# -
# Manuell ergänzt - siehe Debian Bug
# https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1051617
Q_CLUSTER = {'orm': 'default',
'retry': 360,
'save_limit': 100,
'timeout': 300,
'workers': 2}
# https://groups.google.com/g/linux.debian.bugs.dist/c/uG0E9zI52ys
DEFAULT_AUTO_FIELD='django.db.models.AutoField'
# Fedora-Social-Login abschalten ->
https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-us...@mailman3.org/message/KGYQMDQPCW2APRJHDYBRKYVCV5AD4LVT/
INSTALLED_APPS = [a for a in INSTALLED_APPS if not
a.startswith('allauth.socialaccount.providers') and not
a.startswith('django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora')]
# -
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Mails are sent in tranches of 100
Hello Andreas Grupp via Mailman-Users. On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 12:34:35 +0100, you wrote: > An > e-mail to a list of 600+ members is sent in tranches of 100 > e-mails per sending process. Possible that your SMTP server has a sending limit per hour or so? Christian -- Christian Buser, Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland) Hilfe fuer Strassenkinder in Ghana: https://www.chance-for-children.org ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@mail-archive.com
[Mailman-Users] Mails are sent in tranches of 100
Hi, I have the following problem on a new Mailman3-installation: An e-mail to a list of 600+ members is sent in tranches of 100 e-mails per sending process. There is a correspondingly large pause between the individual sending processes. This means that sending takes quite a long time. Where can I change this behavior? I would like all mails to be sent immediately. Greetings, Andreas OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@mail-archive.com
[Mailman-Users] Sorry about duplicate information
Apologies for posting duplicate information.
I just received "Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 240, Issue 5" and see that my reply
to Tim Houseman's message was unnecessary (duplicated information). Solution?
As a digest reader, I need to wait with a reply until the next digest has come
in... ;)
Ian
>Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Re: Attach footer only once? (Carl Zwanzig)
> 2. Re: Attach footer only once? (Mark Sapiro)
> 3. Re: Attach footer only once? (Dmitri Maziuk)
> 4. Re: Attach footer only once? (Barry S. Finkel)
> 5. Attach footer only once? (H Ian Zhang)
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[Mailman-Users] Attach footer only once?
If there is a website associated with the mailing list, you could move the information that is currently contained in the footer to a dedicted page on that website and shorten the footer to a one-line reference, such as "Mailing list terms and conditions: see [insert link to website]". It would not eliminate the multiple footers but at least keep that tail short. Also, if users create ever long messages by keeping whole threads attached to their replies, it suggests that there is insufficient understanding of the functionality of modern email softwware, which can show related messages grouped into threads. This is, of course, an organisational/educationl issue, not a technical one. (I would suggest that in the face of apparent problems - in general, not just with mailing lists - it is often more effective to develop organisational solutions rather than relying on technical fixes). Ian "Tim Houseman" wrote: >users have noticed that the footer just continually stacks up at the bottom >of subsequent emails. Is there any way to avoid this scenario? -- ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@mail-archive.com
[Mailman-Users] Non-delivery of approved messages
Hi, I administer and moderate a library and information science professional list. The list is running on Mailman 2.1.26. There are nearly 5k list subscribers, of which almost 4k are 'digest' registrants. The majority of the registrations are with personal email IDs. During the last couple of weeks, approved messages are not being delivered to the list members. When I check the Email & collaboration alerts in the Microsoft 365 Admin Portal, I see the following message: Suspicious email sending patterns detected, User was restricted from sending emails. Additionally, a pop-up on the screen reads: "Unblock entities which have been blocked for sending too many messages marked as spam/bulk." The first approved message gets delivered after unblocking the relevant email ID and approving another message after 24 hours. For the subsequent one, the emails bounced back, and the MS admin portal reported the same error messages mentioned above. Can someone please help me fix this issue? Thank you for your attention and time, Francis ---------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@mail-archive.com
[Mailman-Users] Re: Security features of Mailman
It appears to me that the author of this message just wants to deposit his spam. The website referenced in the message has nothing at all to do with Mail / Mailman / Computing. Please don’t feed the trolls... Christian Sron Dev schrieb am 28.01.24 um 15:43: > Please let me know which platform you'd like me to elaborate on, and I'll be > happy to delve into its security features and how they create a safe > environment for email discussions or API interactions, whichever is relevant. > https://attitudecaption.com/ > ---------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: [ext] Find number of list members with "withlist"?
* Odhiambo Washington : > We're curious. > > How did you do it? :-) import re def generic_nonmember_action(mlist): if (mlist.generic_nonmember_action == 0): pattern = re.compile(r"^.*@(mydomain1|myotherdomain|yetanotherdomain)\.de$") external_addresses = 0 internal_addresses = 0 total = len(mlist.getMembers()) for member in mlist.getMembers(): if (pattern.match(member)): internal_addresses=internal_addresses+1 else: external_addresses=external_addresses+1 if external_addresses > 10: print '%s: danger - unmoderated liste and many external members: %s' % ( mlist.real_name, external_addresses) -- Ralf Hildebrandt Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netz | Netzwerk-Administration Invalidenstraße 120/121 | D-10115 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 ralf.hildebra...@charite.de https://www.charite.de ---------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: [ext] Find number of list members with "withlist"?
* Ralf Hildebrandt via Mailman-Users : > Sorry for the simple question, but how do I get the number of list > members from a particular list using "withlist"? > > I'm trying to find lists with generic_nonmember_action set to 0 AND > the number of list members exceeding a certain threshold. Nevermind, already found out. -- Ralf Hildebrandt Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netz | Netzwerk-Administration Invalidenstraße 120/121 | D-10115 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 ralf.hildebra...@charite.de https://www.charite.de ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Find number of list members with "withlist"?
Sorry for the simple question, but how do I get the number of list members from a particular list using "withlist"? I'm trying to find lists with generic_nonmember_action set to 0 AND the number of list members exceeding a certain threshold. -- Ralf Hildebrandt Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netz | Netzwerk-Administration Invalidenstraße 120/121 | D-10115 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 ralf.hildebra...@charite.de https://www.charite.de ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Issues with a DMARC record leading to message being shunted
> Yes. The parser is in the authheaders package, a 3rd-party package on > PyPI. I'll get in touch with the maintainers, but given the season I > wouldn't bet on a release soon. Of course you may get lucky with an > upgrade if you're not up-to-date (v0.15.3). Upgrade should be safe, > the maintainers are reliable authors in this field. I'm running 0.15.1, but that doesn't seem to be covered by the changes for .2 & .3 -- Ralf Hildebrandt Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netz | Netzwerk-Administration Invalidenstraße 120/121 | D-10115 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 ralf.hildebra...@charite.de https://www.charite.de -------------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Issues with a DMARC record leading to message being shunted
Hi!
Recently a mail was not being distributed via our MM3 instance; I
searched the logs and found:
Dec 22 04:54:27 2023 (24) ACCEPT:
<1d431542-b386-467b-8bf2-305f19ee7...@somenet.org>
Dec 22 04:54:28 2023 (28) Uncaught runner exception: list index out of range
Dec 22 04:54:28 2023 (28) Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 179,
in _one_iteration
self._process_one_file(msg, msgdata)
File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/runner.py", line 272, in
_process_one_file
keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/runners/pipeline.py", line 37,
in _dispose process(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/core/pipelines.py", line 53, in
process
handler.process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
File
"/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/handlers/validate_authenticity.py",
line 125, in process
authenticate(msg, msgdata)
File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/utilities/retry.py", line 44,
in f_retry
return f(*args, **kwargs)
File
"/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/mailman/handlers/validate_authenticity.py",
line 93, in authenticate
auth_result = authenticate_message(
File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/authheaders/__init__.py", line 395, in
authenticate_message
dmarc_result = check_dmarc(msg, spf_result, dkim_result, dnsfunc=dnsfunc,
psddmarc=psddmarc)
File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/authheaders/__init__.py", line 343, in
check_dmarc
result, result_comment, from_domain, policy = dmarc_per_from(from_domain,
spf_result, dkim_result, dnsfunc, psddmarc)
File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/authheaders/__init__.py", line 90, in
dmarc_per_from
record, orgdomain = receiver_record(from_domain)
File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/authheaders/dmarc_lookup.py", line 117,
in receiver_record
retval = lookup_receiver_record(hostSansDmarc, dnsfunc)
File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/authheaders/dmarc_lookup.py", line 92,
in lookup_receiver_record
tags = answer_to_dict(str(result))
File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/authheaders/dmarc_lookup.py", line 42,
in answer_to_dict
retval = {t[0].strip().lower(): t[1].strip().lower() for t in rawTags}
File "/usr/lib/python3.10/site-packages/authheaders/dmarc_lookup.py", line 42,
in
retval = {t[0].strip().lower(): t[1].strip().lower() for t in rawTags}
IndexError: list index out of range
Dec 22 04:54:28 2023 (28) SHUNTING:
1703220868.1418982+b27f5db154375fcd2c418d467172e4aad0d3d57a
So the message has been shunted, due to this error. Soemthing wit
DMARC and tags. So I checked the DMARC record:
The DMARC record for somenet.org is
"v=DMARC1;p=none;pct=100;rua=mailto:postmas...@somenet.org;mailto:postmas...@somenet.org;ri=3600;fo=1;";
which is syntactically incorrect. The extra ";mailto:postmas...@somenet.org"; is
wrong, I guess the tag "ruf=" is missing here!
It should probably read
"v=DMARC1;p=none;pct=100;rua=mailto:postmas...@somenet.org;ruf=mailto:postmas...@somenet.org;ri=3600;fo=1;";
So, should mm3 somehow "catch" this error somehow? I wonder how a
syntactically incorrect DMARC record should be handled at all (ignore?
best effort?)
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[Mailman-Users] Re: List migration Mailman 2.1 to a new server - cannot clarify how to import user subscription attributes settings
Hi Mark, Thanks for your reply detailing how a list should be moved, I'll give that a go and advise my outcome to help anybody else searching how to do the same operation. Thanks Daniel -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: List migration Mailman 2.1 to a new server - cannot clarify how to import user subscription attributes settings
Thanks for your reply I'll take a look at that :) -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] List migration Mailman 2.1 to a new server - cannot clarify how to import user subscription attributes settings
Hi all, I am currently in the process of testing the migration of our Mailman2.1 instance to a new server, I've migrated the below for a list: - list configuraiton - archives - user membership, Mass Subscription page via a file upload (member address) I've used the below scripts to export/view this information: - https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/mailman-subscribers.py - https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/user_options However after much reading docs/web searches I've not been able to confirm how to import for each user their subscription attributes settings on the Membership List page: - mod - hide - nomail - ack - not metoo - nodupes - digest - plain Any guidance would be appreciated. Many thanks Daniel ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Unable to post messages to a Mailman 2 List
Hi, the MM2 list is back in action. The issue with the list that sprang up
suddenly had to do with the email relay host that the list was using for
incoming emails. It had to be shut down suddenly for a valid reason. That
affected the list's incoming emails. The issue has been resolved, and
everything is working normally.
I take this opportunity to thank the members who provided useful guidance to
resolve the issue. I plan to migrate to MM3 in the near future.
Best, Francis
From: Mark Sapiro
Sent: 21 November 2023 00:34
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Unable to post messages to a Mailman 2 List
External Email
On 11/20/23 02:18, Francis Jayakanth via Mailman-Users wrote:
> 5. When I post a message to test...@ncsinet.in, postmas...@ncsinet.in returns
> the following reply:
>
> Your message to test...@ncsinet.in couldn't be delivered.
> test123 wasn't found at ncsinet.in.
>
> My relay host is SMTP Office365
I'm guessing this is for outbound mail, not inbound.
What is the MTA running on ncsinet.in? You need things in the MTA to
deliver to Mailman. See
https://www.list.org/mailman-install/mail-server.html
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[Mailman-Users] archive
I am attempting to read in majordomo archives into mailman 2 using /bin/arch. We are currently running a nightly archive which nightly moves list-archive to a mmmdd file. Now I need to put these into one file to run /bin/arch in mailman to read them all in. My question is, is it necessary to put the emails in date order in the list-archive file for mailman arch to read in, or will the arch script sort out the dates? Andrea Andrea Laack Research & Tech Innov Svcs Mayo Clinic 507-538-3831 laack.and...@mayo.edu ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Intermittent attacks agains Mailman instance (Rich Kulawiec)
- - - - - - Original message: - - - - - - >Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2023 10:06:10 -0500 >From: Rich Kulawiec > >Over the past couple of months, I've observed a series of attacks >against Mailman that are likely related because they use the same >tactic every time. Hi Rich, attacks against mailman usually come without a referer, so I have found the following approach to work: I create a landing page for the mailing list that introduces the list, explains the signup process, and contains a button with a link to the list interface. Via the ".htaccess" file I ensure that the list interface itself can only be accessed if there is a referer that contains the domain of the landing page - any other access will causes a blank page to be served. Result: no spam. The same approach also works with blogs and keeps search engines at bay. Humans can (and, if motivated, will) go beyond the landing page but machines will be blocked. HTH Ian -- ---------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Unable to post messages to a Mailman 2 List
Thank you for the reply. Yes, I plan to migrate to Mailman3, but I want it up and running on the new domain ncsinet.in. The Mailman server has Python 2.7.17. I have made some progress on the new domain, but some issues still need to be resolved. Here is what I have done so far: 1. ncsinet.in is FQDN. 2. Changed the hostname of the Mailman server to the new domain ncsinet.in 3. DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'ncsinet.in' & DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'ncsinet.in' 4. Created a news list called test123 and have added one subscriber. 5. When I post a message to test...@ncsinet.in, postmas...@ncsinet.in returns the following reply: Your message to test...@ncsinet.in couldn't be delivered. test123 wasn't found at ncsinet.in. My relay host is SMTP Office365 From: Odhiambo Washington Sent: 20 November 2023 11:44 To: mailman-users@python.org Cc: Francis Jayakanth Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Unable to post messages to a Mailman 2 List External Email On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 8:49 AM Odhiambo Washington mailto:odhia...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 8:41 AM Francis Jayakanth mailto:fran...@iisc.ac.in>> wrote: Thank you for the reply. My existing list is on the domain ncsi.iisc.ernet.in<http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>, which is now defunct. I need to move my list to a new domain, ncsinet.in<http://ncsinet.in>. My existing mailman configuration file mm_cfg.py has the following entries: #- # Default domain for email addresses of newly created MLs DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost.localdomain' #- # Default host for web interface of newly created MLs DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'localhost.localdomain' #- Will setting the DEFAULT_URL_HOST=ncsinet.in<http://ncsinet.in> and fixing the URLs for the list on a new domain with "withlist -l -r fix_url [listname] be sufficient to have the list up and running on the new domain? The value of the DEFAULT_URL_HOST should be the FQDN that will be used to access the ML - from the browser. DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST value is the host that handles emails for the list, IIRC. BTW, what version of Python do you have on that Ubuntu 18.04? And why are you stuck on that version? You could seize this opportunity to migrate to Mailman3 :) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html] ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Unable to post messages to a Mailman 2 List
Thank you for the reply. My existing list is on the domain ncsi.iisc.ernet.in, which is now defunct. I need to move my list to a new domain, ncsinet.in. My existing mailman configuration file mm_cfg.py has the following entries: #- # Default domain for email addresses of newly created MLs DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost.localdomain' #- # Default host for web interface of newly created MLs DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'localhost.localdomain' #- Will setting the DEFAULT_URL_HOST=ncsinet.in and fixing the URLs for the list on a new domain with "withlist -l -r fix_url [listname] be sufficient to have the list up and running on the new domain? - Francis From: Odhiambo Washington Sent: 19 November 2023 23:04 To: Francis Jayakanth Cc: Mark Sapiro ; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Unable to post messages to a Mailman 2 List External Email On Sun, Nov 19, 2023 at 6:36 PM Francis Jayakanth via Mailman-Users mailto:mailman-users@python.org>> wrote: Thank you for the reply and suggestions. I thought the problem had something to do with Mailman and, therefore, posted a message seeking help. However, I have now discovered that the problem was not with Mailman but with the domain name of the list. The list used the domain name ncsi.iisc.ernet.in<http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>. The postings to the list were made to lis-fo...@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in<mailto:lis-fo...@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>, which used the institution's email relay server to send the emails to the lis. The network team has informed us that the service of the relay server has been shut down. That explains why postings to the list are not reaching. I now need to migrate the list to a new domain. Please let me know the steps that should be followed to ensure a smooth transition and carry forward the list's archive. This might be useful: https://wiki.list.org/DOC/4.70%20How%20do%20I%20change%20the%20name%20of%20%28rename%29%20a%20list%3F Also, can we redirect messages posted to the old domain to the new one? You can use the address rewriting facility of your MTA, but is that even necessary if the old domain name is gone? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html] ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Unable to post messages to a Mailman 2 List
Thank you for the reply and suggestions. I thought the problem had something to do with Mailman and, therefore, posted a message seeking help. However, I have now discovered that the problem was not with Mailman but with the domain name of the list. The list used the domain name ncsi.iisc.ernet.in. The postings to the list were made to lis-fo...@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in, which used the institution's email relay server to send the emails to the lis. The network team has informed us that the service of the relay server has been shut down. That explains why postings to the list are not reaching. I now need to migrate the list to a new domain. Please let me know the steps that should be followed to ensure a smooth transition and carry forward the list's archive. Also, can we redirect messages posted to the old domain to the new one? Many thanks for the help and guidance. - Francis From: Mark Sapiro Sent: 16 November 2023 19:25 To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Unable to post messages to a Mailman 2 List External Email On 11/16/23 03:27, Francis Jayakanth via Mailman-Users wrote: > Thank you for your guidance. I created a new list. I'm able to subscribe and > unsubscribe members to the new list. Emails are received when a member > subscribes and unsubscribes to the new list. So, there are no issues with the > relay host. However, when a message is posted, nothing happens. > > I checked the /var/log/mailman folder. The following three files are updated > as of today (16 Nov), and there isn't any clue as to why the lists are not > receiving the postings. > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 1432 Nov 16 16:44 smtp > -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 85623 Nov 16 16:44 subscribe > -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 9431 Nov 16 14:11 qrunner What's in the smtp log? Also, look at your MTA log to see what happens to the messages sent to the list. They should be delivered to a command like `/path/to/mailman/mail/mailman post LISTNAME` -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan ---------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: fran...@iisc.ac.in ---------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Hide list address?
It seems not possible with Mailman 2.1.37. Under Non-Digest-Option it has only: (nondigestable) (msg_header) (msg_footer) (scrub_nondigest) (regular_exclude_lists) (regular_exclude_ignore) (regular_include_lists) Don't see, "full personalization" or "personalization". I asked my provider too, and after several questions, because we had misunderstanding’s, answer was also not possible. Am 16.11.23 um 09:46 schrieb Stephen J. Turnbull: Odhiambo Washington writes: > On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 4:24?PM ta515eeo0o2--- via Mailman-Users wrote: > > "I want to change the configuration of the mailing list so that all > > messages are addressed directly to the recipient, and the mailing list name > > does not appear anywhere in the headers." > > I dont find this options in Mailman 2.1.37. > > It is there under Non-Digest options. You have to login to the Admin > interface to find it. The option is probably "full personalization" but I forget exactly, look for "personalization" in the page Odhiambo mentions. Steve ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Unable to post messages to a Mailman 2 List
Thank you for your guidance. I created a new list. I'm able to subscribe and unsubscribe members to the new list. Emails are received when a member subscribes and unsubscribes to the new list. So, there are no issues with the relay host. However, when a message is posted, nothing happens. I checked the /var/log/mailman folder. The following three files are updated as of today (16 Nov), and there isn't any clue as to why the lists are not receiving the postings. -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 1432 Nov 16 16:44 smtp -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 85623 Nov 16 16:44 subscribe -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 9431 Nov 16 14:11 qrunner root@:/var/log/mailman# tail qrunner Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 2164, sig: None, sts: 15, class: VirginRunner, slice: 1/1) Nov 16 14:11:32 2023 (2621) CommandRunner qrunner started. Nov 16 14:11:32 2023 (2619) ArchRunner qrunner started. Nov 16 14:11:32 2023 (2620) BounceRunner qrunner started. Nov 16 14:11:32 2023 (2624) OutgoingRunner qrunner started. Nov 16 14:11:32 2023 (2623) NewsRunner qrunner started. Nov 16 14:11:32 2023 (2622) IncomingRunner qrunner started. Nov 16 14:11:32 2023 (2626) RetryRunner qrunner started. Nov 16 14:11:32 2023 (2625) VirginRunner qrunner started. From: Odhiambo Washington Sent: 16 November 2023 15:38 To: Francis Jayakanth Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Unable to post messages to a Mailman 2 List External Email 1. Create a new list with only your addresses as members. 2. Use one of the addresses to send mail to that new list. 3. Check your Postfix as well as mailman's logs for clues. It's inconceivable that you could not find anything in the logs. On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 12:57 PM Francis Jayakanth mailto:fran...@iisc.ac.in>> wrote: Hi Odhiambo, Thank you for the reply. I doubt if the SMTP Office 365 is the culprit because the list was running smoothly with the same SMTP relay host for more than a year! With regards, Francis From: Odhiambo Washington mailto:odhia...@gmail.com>> Sent: 16 November 2023 15:15 To: Francis Jayakanth mailto:fran...@iisc.ac.in>> Cc: mailman-users@python.org<mailto:mailman-users@python.org> mailto:mailman-users@python.org>> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Unable to post messages to a Mailman 2 List External Email On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 12:21 PM Francis Jayakanth via Mailman-Users mailto:mailman-users@python.org>> wrote: Hi, I'm administering and moderating a professional list called LIS-Forum with close to 5k members. I'm still on Mailman 2.1.26 on Ubuntu 18.04 with Postfix as an MTA. Till recently, the list was running smoothly. On average, there will be 2/3 postings every day. However, postings have not been received in the last two days. When I explored further, I noticed that postings made to the list are not reaching the list, nor are the members posting messages getting acknowledgements. I'm using SMTP Office 365 as the relay host. Generic emails sent from the Mailman server are getting distributed. So, there aren't any issues with incoming or outgoing emails. Mailman as service is up and running, and its service status is as follows: #service mailman status â mailman.service - Mailman Master Queue Runner Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/mailman.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: active (running) since Thu 2023-11-16 14:11:31 IST; 30min ago Process: 2586 ExecStop=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Process: 2616 ExecStart=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Main PID: 2617 (mailmanctl) Tasks: 9 (limit: 4915) CGroup: /system.slice/mailman.service ââ2617 /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start ââ2619 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s ââ2620 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s ââ2621 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s ââ2622 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s ââ2623 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s ââ2624 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s ââ2625 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s ââ2626 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=RetryRunner:0:1 -s Nov 16 14:11:31 xxx.xxx.xxx.xx systemd[1]: Starting Mailman Master Queue Runner... Nov 16 14:11:31 xxx.xxx.xxx.xx mailmanctl[2616]: Starting Mailman's master qrunner. Nov 16 14:11:31 xxx.xxx.xxx.xx systemd[1]: mailman.service: Can't open PID file /var/run/mailman/mailman.pid (yet?) after start: No such file or directory Nov 16 14:11:31 n
[Mailman-Users] Re: Unable to post messages to a Mailman 2 List
Hi Odhiambo, Thank you for the reply. I doubt if the SMTP Office 365 is the culprit because the list was running smoothly with the same SMTP relay host for more than a year! With regards, Francis From: Odhiambo Washington Sent: 16 November 2023 15:15 To: Francis Jayakanth Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Unable to post messages to a Mailman 2 List External Email On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 12:21 PM Francis Jayakanth via Mailman-Users mailto:mailman-users@python.org>> wrote: Hi, I'm administering and moderating a professional list called LIS-Forum with close to 5k members. I'm still on Mailman 2.1.26 on Ubuntu 18.04 with Postfix as an MTA. Till recently, the list was running smoothly. On average, there will be 2/3 postings every day. However, postings have not been received in the last two days. When I explored further, I noticed that postings made to the list are not reaching the list, nor are the members posting messages getting acknowledgements. I'm using SMTP Office 365 as the relay host. Generic emails sent from the Mailman server are getting distributed. So, there aren't any issues with incoming or outgoing emails. Mailman as service is up and running, and its service status is as follows: #service mailman status â mailman.service - Mailman Master Queue Runner Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/mailman.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: active (running) since Thu 2023-11-16 14:11:31 IST; 30min ago Process: 2586 ExecStop=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Process: 2616 ExecStart=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Main PID: 2617 (mailmanctl) Tasks: 9 (limit: 4915) CGroup: /system.slice/mailman.service ââ2617 /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start ââ2619 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s ââ2620 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s ââ2621 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s ââ2622 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s ââ2623 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s ââ2624 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s ââ2625 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s ââ2626 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=RetryRunner:0:1 -s Nov 16 14:11:31 xxx.xxx.xxx.xx systemd[1]: Starting Mailman Master Queue Runner... Nov 16 14:11:31 xxx.xxx.xxx.xx mailmanctl[2616]: Starting Mailman's master qrunner. Nov 16 14:11:31 xxx.xxx.xxx.xx systemd[1]: mailman.service: Can't open PID file /var/run/mailman/mailman.pid (yet?) after start: No such file or directory Nov 16 14:11:31 ncsi.iisc.ernet.in<http://ncsi.iisc.ernet.in> systemd[1]: Started Mailman Master Queue Runner. I looked into the log files but found nothing useful to resolve the issue. Can someone please help me to resolve the issue? The only plausible reason here is that SMTP Office 365 is the culprit. There is a discussion that happened in the Mailman3 lists that was related to Office 365 as a relay. It is archived at: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-us...@mailman3.org/message/KAVRFNWETVXTH2QDPYWP5LFUDJD3F6UT/ Can you maybe look at it and see if what Andrew Hodgson did could help your case? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html] ---------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Unable to post messages to a Mailman 2 List
Hi, I'm administering and moderating a professional list called LIS-Forum with close to 5k members. I'm still on Mailman 2.1.26 on Ubuntu 18.04 with Postfix as an MTA. Till recently, the list was running smoothly. On average, there will be 2/3 postings every day. However, postings have not been received in the last two days. When I explored further, I noticed that postings made to the list are not reaching the list, nor are the members posting messages getting acknowledgements. I'm using SMTP Office 365 as the relay host. Generic emails sent from the Mailman server are getting distributed. So, there aren't any issues with incoming or outgoing emails. Mailman as service is up and running, and its service status is as follows: #service mailman status â mailman.service - Mailman Master Queue Runner Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/mailman.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: active (running) since Thu 2023-11-16 14:11:31 IST; 30min ago Process: 2586 ExecStop=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Process: 2616 ExecStart=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Main PID: 2617 (mailmanctl) Tasks: 9 (limit: 4915) CGroup: /system.slice/mailman.service ââ2617 /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start ââ2619 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s ââ2620 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s ââ2621 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s ââ2622 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s ââ2623 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s ââ2624 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s ââ2625 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s ââ2626 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=RetryRunner:0:1 -s Nov 16 14:11:31 xxx.xxx.xxx.xx systemd[1]: Starting Mailman Master Queue Runner... Nov 16 14:11:31 xxx.xxx.xxx.xx mailmanctl[2616]: Starting Mailman's master qrunner. Nov 16 14:11:31 xxx.xxx.xxx.xx systemd[1]: mailman.service: Can't open PID file /var/run/mailman/mailman.pid (yet?) after start: No such file or directory Nov 16 14:11:31 ncsi.iisc.ernet.in systemd[1]: Started Mailman Master Queue Runner. I looked into the log files but found nothing useful to resolve the issue. Can someone please help me to resolve the issue? Thanks, and regards, Francis ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Hide list address?
Hello, I'm looking also to hide the list address, my provider offers Mailman 2.1.37. In Mailman 3 DOC shows several options. It says: "I want to change the configuration of the mailing list so that all messages are addressed directly to the recipient, and the mailing list name does not appear anywhere in the headers." https://wiki.list.org/DOC/How%20do%20I%20hide%20the%20fact%20that%20I%27m%20using%20a%20mailing%20list%20management%20system%3F I dont find this options in Mailman 2.1.37. Can you give an advice, if its only possible in Mailman3? Thank you. ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Good Commercial Mailman Hosts?
Hello Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS. On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 10:36:47 -0400, you wrote: > I'm hoping you all could point me towards some good commercial > providers that offer Mailman lists to customers? I think Mailman (version 2, not 3) is included in all offers that contain cPanel as a front-end. > Bonus points if they are also web hosting accounts, and bonus points > for lower cost as this is a volunteer effort I'm paying for > out-of-pocket for the community. Contact digimouse.eu for details on their offers - <https://www.digimouse.eu/en/>. Christian -- Christian Buser, Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland) Hilfe fuer Strassenkinder in Ghana: https://www.chance-for-children.org ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: [ext] spamming
* Jim Dory : > I've got a new problem with my mailing list. I run a local > announcements/trade list that should be of no interest to non-locals. > > I started seeing warnings from Yahoo about users marking messages as spam.. > (I'm subscribed to Yahoo's Antispam Feedback. I never got other feedback > loops from others - like Microsoft - to work). The messages that were being > marked as spam by users were the confirmation emails sent by mailman to > confirm a signup. To avoid having Yahoo shut down the list as spam (for its > subscribers), I set the subscription to be approved by admin, so I could > review who was trying to sign up. Yes, I've ssen that as well. All were coming from the same ip. -- Ralf Hildebrandt Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netz | Netzwerk-Administration Invalidenstraße 120/121 | D-10115 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 ralf.hildebra...@charite.de https://www.charite.de -------------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: [ext] Re: Question regarding message-ids
* Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users : > > * The mail is delivered twice (to an exchange server), in two SMTP > > sessions, to the same user adress. I get two positive delivery > > confirmations. > > This is what I would expect. I just wnated to make this clear :) > > * since the message-id is identical, exchange is performing duplicate > > message elimination > > Okay. > > > Since the mails are in fact NOT identical (different Subject -- each > > lists adds their own [foo] and [bar] prefix), I'd very much prefer a new > > message-id for the distributed mails. > > Oh ... that's not where I thought this was going to end up. Neither did I. > I'd have to go back and read RFCs on what the underlying purpose of the > Message-ID is and if using it's definition the messages are identical or if > they should have different Message-IDs after leaving the mailing list. > > I can see it both ways. The message is the same and not the same at the > same time. Yes, I agreee. That's why I wanted to discuss this. This could easily be solved by MM moving the Message-Id: to Resent-Message-Id: (and Postfix would the - if propery configured - add a new Message-Id > > I'm sure I can hack something up in Postfix, but is there an easy way > > (tm)? > > I'm sure there are things that can be done too. My concern becomes what > happens to threading when messing with the Message-ID? Conditionally > messing with the Message-ID is an entirely different problem. > > This will probably be an interesting thread to read. :) -- Ralf Hildebrandt Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netz | Netzwerk-Administration Invalidenstraße 120/121 | D-10115 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 ralf.hildebra...@charite.de https://www.charite.de ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Question regarding message-ids
On 9/13/23 7:42 AM, Ralf Hildebrandt via Mailman-Users wrote: * A mail goes to both lists. A singular email is sent to both lists as a recipient. * The mail is delivered twice (to an exchange server), in two SMTP sessions, to the same user adress. I get two positive delivery confirmations. This is what I would expect. * since the message-id is identical, exchange is performing duplicate message elimination Okay. Since the mails are in fact NOT identical (different Subject -- each lists adds their own [foo] and [bar] prefix), I'd very much prefer a new message-id for the distributed mails. Oh ... that's not where I thought this was going to end up. I'd have to go back and read RFCs on what the underlying purpose of the Message-ID is and if using it's definition the messages are identical or if they should have different Message-IDs after leaving the mailing list. I can see it both ways. The message is the same and not the same at the same time. I'm sure I can hack something up in Postfix, but is there an easy way (tm)? I'm sure there are things that can be done too. My concern becomes what happens to threading when messing with the Message-ID? Conditionally messing with the Message-ID is an entirely different problem. This will probably be an interesting thread to read. -- Grant. . . . unix || die ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Question regarding message-ids
We have a mm2 installation. A user is regular memeber on two lists: * A mail goes to both lists. * That mail is distributed via both lists. * The mail is delivered twice (to an exchange server), in two SMTP sessions, to the same user adress. I get two positive delivery confirmations. * since the message-id is identical, exchange is performing duplicate message elimination Since the mails are in fact NOT identical (different Subject -- each lists adds their own [foo] and [bar] prefix), I'd very much prefer a new message-id for the distributed mails. I'm sure I can hack something up in Postfix, but is there an easy way (tm)? -- Ralf Hildebrandt Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netz | Netzwerk-Administration Invalidenstraße 120/121 | D-10115 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 ralf.hildebra...@charite.de https://www.charite.de ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Python 2.7.15, etc, vs Python3...
On Tue, 2023-07-18 at 02:05 +, Carl Zwanzig wrote: > On 7/17/2023 5:54 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: > > Python 2 and Python 3 are enough different to effectively be > > different languages. > > BTW, there is a python2 to 3 converter, There's also this project: https://github.com/jaredmauch/mailman2-python3/ -Jim P. ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Python 2.7.15, etc, vs Python3...
On 7/17/23 7:24 PM, rich...@karmannghia.org wrote: OTOH, can Python3 (what's there now) be THAT backwards incompatible?! How incompatible are AM & FM radio? How incompatible are IPv4 and IPv6? How incompatible are gasoline and Diesel motors? SURELY I can make it happy somehow, right? As Carl Z. alluded to, you'll have to /port/ Mailman to Python 3. Though I suspect you will both make some people happy and other people mad at doing so. How about an ln -s of /usr/local/bin/python to the one in my path? I don't think that's going to work out nearly as well as you hope it will. Do I have to install the old Python from source, TOO?! Maybe if you can't find a version of Python 2.x for your distribution. P.S. It seems BIZARRE to me that we have the good ole cc and gcc that just work after however many decades, yet the modern developers seem just not have a clue how - or just don't care - to code for longevity - what, the code to get python has to enter python3 now or just die? Really? Python 2 and Python 3 are enough different to effectively be different languages. I'm sure you can easily tell I strongly disagree with modern practices about dependencies; "computer science" has gone backwards, at least in strategy! ... But I digress... I'm inclined to agree with you. But that's just my opinion. Grant. . . . -------------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] mm2, public_suffix_list.dat
Hi! I noticed that my error log has quite a few entries like Jun 18 15:59:10 2023 (1236) Unable to retrieve data from https://publicsuffix.org/list/public_suffix_list.dat: Jun 18 18:32:56 2023 (1236) Unable to retrieve data from https://publicsuffix.org/list/public_suffix_list.dat: Jun 18 18:35:07 2023 (1236) Unable to retrieve data from https://publicsuffix.org/list/public_suffix_list.dat: Jun 18 18:45:58 2023 (1236) Unable to retrieve data from https://publicsuffix.org/list/public_suffix_list.dat: It could be one of the two issues here a) IPv6 b) not using the http proxy I can download the file alright using curl/wget (environment variables are set correctly) a) How can I force a download? b) Can I manually drop the file into /usr/share/publicsuffix/public_suffix_list.dat and force recreation of public_suffix_list.dafsa? -- Ralf Hildebrandt Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk Campus Benjamin Franklin (CBF) Haus I | 1. OG | Raum 105 Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 ralf.hildebra...@charite.de https://www.charite.de -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: [ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Barrage of bounce notifications
> The theory is these may be legitimate bounces that just aren't recognized > and the owner may want to see them and may even want to report them to the > developers so the recognizers can be updated, but these days, such bounces > are extremely rare so if one is getting a lot of spam to the list-bounces > address, setting bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner => no makes sense. On $LIST-bounces I'm mostly getting mails that should go to the list address, sinc ethe users somehow managed to bookmark their VERPidfied sender address as "list address" -- Ralf Hildebrandt Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk Campus Benjamin Franklin (CBF) Haus I | 1. OG | Raum 105 Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 ralf.hildebra...@charite.de https://www.charite.de ---------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: [ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Barrage of bounce notifications
> > > These settings apply only to list posts, not to mail to the list-bounces > > > address. > > > > But those can be disabled as well: > > bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner => no > > on the subpage "bounce" > > > > In this case then what happens when such a bounce arrives? MM2.1 discards > it? I think so -- Ralf Hildebrandt Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk Campus Benjamin Franklin (CBF) Haus I | 1. OG | Raum 105 Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 ralf.hildebra...@charite.de https://www.charite.de ---------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: [ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Barrage of bounce notifications
* Mark Sapiro : > On 5/25/23 10:13 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > I think you need to change the list settings, hoping you have Admin rights: > > > > You need to change in Privacy options -> Sender Filters -> Action to take > > for postings from non-members for which no explicit action is defined = > > Discard. > > If you use 'Reject', you'll be sending back messages to spammers using > > non-deliverable addresses and that would lead to what you are seeing. > > I am just guessing that your list is set to 'Reject' instead of 'Discard'. > > > These settings apply only to list posts, not to mail to the list-bounces > address. But those can be disabled as well: bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner => no on the subpage "bounce" -- Ralf Hildebrandt Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk Campus Benjamin Franklin (CBF) Haus I | 1. OG | Raum 105 Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 ralf.hildebra...@charite.de https://www.charite.de ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Barrage of bounce notifications
Hello, Here is more information: * We are on Mailman version 2.1.39 * I received over 300 emails from "Mailman-bounces" yesterday * They seem to have slowed down today * These are the type of spam emails I that are being received: ***SPAM*** Hi there my great pen-friend, SL Smilesx Lonelyeo To: * ecdu...@hotmail.com Thu 5/25/2023 1:29 AM If there is a different Lsoft group I should be asking questions to, can someone point me in the correct direction? Apologies for posting to the wring group! Thank you!! From: Barry S. Finkel Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2023 12:28 PM To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Mailman-Users] Re: Barrage of bounce notifications This email has been received from outside of DOI - Use caution before clicking on links, opening attachments, or responding. On 5/24/2023 12:29 PM, Krone, Elizabeth C via Mailman-Users wrote: > Good afternoon all, > > I manage a few listservs (maintaining members and tending pending posts) and > today I have received almost 80 separate "Uncaught bounce notification" > emails for one of the lists. There are rarely any for this list and I would > like to know if there is something I can do to stop the spam. I have received > 5 more while typing this email. I am not a tech person but any suggestions > are welcome. > > Thank you! > > Elizabeth > > > ---------- > Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org > https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmail.python.org%2Fmailman3%2Flists%2Fmailman-users.python.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Celizabeth_krone%40fws.gov%7C5202637e81774e99a40408db5d3d6485%7C0693b5ba4b184d7b9341f32f400a5494%7C0%7C0%7C638206290487395104%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=eKr7%2B5HHdfo7uqLDhbqz36HtX6xpwchAIeyobENthkI%3D&reserved=0<https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/> > Mailman FAQ: > https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.list.org%2Fx%2FAgA3&data=05%7C01%7Celizabeth_krone%40fws.gov%7C5202637e81774e99a40408db5d3d6485%7C0693b5ba4b184d7b9341f32f400a5494%7C0%7C0%7C638206290487395104%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WWF5MaH2o7%2BGZx6YoXSRDTjVr%2BPzHr%2FVtekB9jPpEpo%3D&reserved=0<http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3> > Security Policy: > https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.list.org%2Fx%2FQIA9&data=05%7C01%7Celizabeth_krone%40fws.gov%7C5202637e81774e99a40408db5d3d6485%7C0693b5ba4b184d7b9341f32f400a5494%7C0%7C0%7C638206290487395104%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=r7h31SqselhjCrABQ%2F2TC487xmM0R5Cv0yEv0xTcjts%3D&reserved=0<http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9> > Searchable Archives: > https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fmailman-users%40python.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Celizabeth_krone%40fws.gov%7C5202637e81774e99a40408db5d3d6485%7C0693b5ba4b184d7b9341f32f400a5494%7C0%7C0%7C638206290487395104%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=EzUb%2B09nqyKI0LcloEqNhz15lgPzmYZ%2B6apHhuBDO7U%3D&reserved=0<https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/> > > https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmail.python.org%2Farchives%2Flist%2Fmailman-users%40python.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Celizabeth_krone%40fws.gov%7C5202637e81774e99a40408db5d3d6485%7C0693b5ba4b184d7b9341f32f400a5494%7C0%7C0%7C638206290487395104%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=5UNd3IgODbD4Xf2iONUtJAG%2Bx6YuyzVndaOgpl7y558%3D&reserved=0<https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/> > Member address: bsfin...@att.net Mailman is NOT listserv. Listserv is a different mailing list management software from Lsoft. --Barry Finkel -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmail.python.org%2Fmailman3%2Flists%2Fmailman-users.python.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Celizabeth_krone%40fws.gov%7C5202637e81774e99a40408db5d3d6485%7C0693b5ba4b184d7b9341f32f400a5494%7C0%7C0%7C638206290487395104%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=eKr7%2B5HHdfo7uqLDhbqz36HtX6xpwchAIeyo
[Mailman-Users] Barrage of bounce notifications
Good afternoon all, I manage a few listservs (maintaining members and tending pending posts) and today I have received almost 80 separate "Uncaught bounce notification" emails for one of the lists. There are rarely any for this list and I would like to know if there is something I can do to stop the spam. I have received 5 more while typing this email. I am not a tech person but any suggestions are welcome. Thank you! Elizabeth ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman 2.1.30 config
> On 18 Feb 2023, at 10:17 AM, Richard Damon wrote: > > On 2/18/23 8:53 AM, Thomas Coradeschi via Mailman-Users wrote: >> Yes, I know a little behind in version updates. Any rate, I am trying to at >> least slow down the bots which are hammering our subscribe pages. >> >> The challenge (and it’s all me) is in getting baby steps to work. >> >> I am looking to start with SUBSCRIBE_FORM_SECRET, but honestly just don’t >> get the definition of a “non-empty string” >> >> The default is SUBSCRIBE_FORM_SECRET = None >> >> If I replace None with anything else, I get the following when I try to >> restart mailman >> >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "../bin/mailmanctl", line 107, in >> from Mailman import mm_cfg >> File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 167, in >> SUBSCRIBE_FORM_SECRET = random >> NameError: name 'random' is not defined >> >> — >> Tom Coradeschi >> tjc...@icloud.com > > The file is a "Python" script, so you need to enter the string as a python > string, something like: > > > SUBSCRIBE_FROM_SECRET = "My Secret” Ah. Too easy. Thanks! — Tom Coradeschi tjc...@icloud.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1.30 config
Yes, I know a little behind in version updates. Any rate, I am trying to at least slow down the bots which are hammering our subscribe pages. The challenge (and it’s all me) is in getting baby steps to work. I am looking to start with SUBSCRIBE_FORM_SECRET, but honestly just don’t get the definition of a “non-empty string” The default is SUBSCRIBE_FORM_SECRET = None If I replace None with anything else, I get the following when I try to restart mailman Traceback (most recent call last): File "../bin/mailmanctl", line 107, in from Mailman import mm_cfg File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 167, in SUBSCRIBE_FORM_SECRET = random NameError: name 'random' is not defined — Tom Coradeschi tjc...@icloud.com ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Changing "From:" in header..
from_is_list is set to "Munge From" and anonymous_list is set to "No" on both. On 1/3/2023 5:12 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 1/3/23 12:39, Robert Wertheimer via Mailman-Users wrote: Thanks for taking the time to reply. I have ensured that both options are identical on each list and yet, I still can't get the older list to use the format I'd like from the new list. Robert On the web admin General Options page set from_is_list to Yes and anonymous_list to No ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: Changing "From:" in header..
Thanks for taking the time to reply. I have ensured that both options are identical on each list and yet, I still can't get the older list to use the format I'd like from the new list. Robert On 12/30/2022 7:07 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 12/30/22 15:16, Robert Wertheimer via Mailman-Users wrote: I'm managing 2 mail lists using MM 2.1.38 in cpanel. I set up a list last year and another list in the last couple months. As far as I can tell, both lists have the same options set in general. However, the new list has a very nice "From:" header format showing the full name of the person who posted, "Via", and the name of the list. The older list always just says the name of the list in the "From:" header. Can't seem to find a way to change this behavior to match the first list. I've looked through the help files and Wiki and have come up empty. For the older list, is General Options -> anonymous_list set to Yes? I can't think of anything else that would cause this difference. On the newer list, the "From:" header format showing the full name of the person who posted, "Via", and the name of the list. is most likely because General Options -> from_is_list is set to Munge From, but could also be because Privacy options... -> Sender filters -> dmarc_moderation_action is Munge From but that would only apply to posts from users in a domain that publishes a DMARC policy of reject or quarantine. In the absence of those settings, i.e., from_is_list = No and dmarc_moderation_action = Accept, the From: header should not be changed from the incoming post unless anonymous_list is Yes -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Changing "From:" in header..
I'm managing 2 mail lists using MM 2.1.38 in cpanel. I set up a list last year and another list in the last couple months. As far as I can tell, both lists have the same options set in general. However, the new list has a very nice "From:" header format showing the full name of the person who posted, "Via", and the name of the list. The older list always just says the name of the list in the "From:" header. Can't seem to find a way to change this behavior to match the first list. I've looked through the help files and Wiki and have come up empty. Thanks for your time. Robert Wertheimer -------------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: [ext] Constant Mailman error messages
* PCZero Support : > > Delivered-To: supp...@pczero.net > > Envelope-to: r...@morpheus.rvaservers.com > > To: r...@morpheus.rvaservers.com > > Subject: lfd on morpheus.rvaservers.com: Excessive resource usage: > > mailman (11571 (Parent PID:11569)) > > From: > > Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 08:35:47 -0500 > > > > Time: Thu Dec 22 08:35:47 2022 -0500 > > Account: mailman > > Resource: Process Time > > Exceeded: 1857 > 1800 (seconds) > > Executable: /usr/bin/python2.7 > > Command Line: /usr/bin/python2 > > /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 > > -s > > PID: 11571 (Parent PID:11569) > > Killed: No So this is basically your monitoring complaining that the process "/usr/bin/python2 /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1" (running as the user "mailman") is using more than 1800s of process time. It's possible that a lot of mails bounced and thus the BounceRunner has assloads of stuff to processs. mailq output might give a clue if there's a lot of stuff in the queue -- Ralf Hildebrandt Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk Campus Benjamin Franklin (CBF) Haus I | 1. OG | Raum 105 Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 ralf.hildebra...@charite.de https://www.charite.de ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Custom Scripts
Hi, I have developed a custom python script to generate a captcha, to reduce the amount of illegitimate users signing up to our mailing lists. i would like to have the users to complete the captcha before they are able to subscribe. Where and how should this script be called from ? -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: Line breaks in monthly reminder emails
On 12/2/22 5:33 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: There is a -l/--listname option to limit to a list or, if repeated, lists, but no option to limit to a single user. Sounds like a reason to (temporarily) create a new list with yourself as the only subscriber and test things. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: Line breaks in monthly reminder emails
On 12/1/22 11:45 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Possibly more flexible (but harder to implement and dependent on user MUAs) would be to use format=flowed in Content-Type. +10 for format=flowed IMHO format=flowed is not hard to implement and it produces responsive emails which wrap to whatever the window width is. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] mailman not sending email to all the members of mailing list
Dear All, Myself Ninad and we are using mailman 2.1.29 from long time. From last few days, I have observed a strange behavior in mailman. mailman not sending email to all the members of mailing list and the mail is getting posted to random members of the list. Even "nomail" option is also not set for the members. I observed this issue with random mailing lists. Below are the some logs form the smtp log. I dont know how can I debug this issue. I kindly request all to guide me in this regard. Nov 22 17:20:41 2022 (1322) smtp to list1 for 11 recips, completed in 1.202 seconds Nov 22 17:20:41 2022 (1322) smtp to list1 for 4 recips, completed in 0.028 seconds Nov 22 18:27:20 2022 (1322) smtp to list1 for 10 recips, completed in 0.283 seconds Nov 04 11:09:42 2022 (1343) smtp to list1 for 11 recips, completed in 5.258 seconds Nov 23 17:49:54 2022 (1322) <88544ba3992180de5188352919b97...@iitb.ac.in> smtp to list22 for 62 recips, completed in 0.064 seconds Nov 23 20:14:49 2022 (1322) <5565d2bfa86e838052cca3abea808...@iitb.ac.in> smtp to list22 for 63 recips, completed in 0.397 seconds Nov 14 08:00:03 2022 (1343) smtp to list22 for 1 recips, completed in 0.012 seconds Nov 14 08:00:05 2022 (1343) smtp to list22 for 2 recips, completed in 0.010 seconds Nov 14 09:41:49 2022 (1343) <86ef86895b0f73e7ad7022618706a...@iitb.ac.in> smtp to list22 for 62 recips, completed in 0.033 seconds Nov 14 12:49:04 2022 (1343) <850359ef924e3a0baccf7d61e6fc4...@iitb.ac.in> smtp to list22 for 63 recips, completed in 0.025 seconds Nov 14 15:28:20 2022 (1343) <4245de3a59b019b8f21e7266c30b7...@iitb.ac.in> smtp to list22 for 62 recips, completed in 0.175 seconds Nov 14 15:35:20 2022 (1343) smtp to list22 for 63 recips, completed in 0.027 seconds Nov 14 16:33:39 2022 (1343) <7073bbae72718616732bd391fa1aa...@iitb.ac.in> smtp to list22 for 63 recips, completed in 0.294 seconds Regards, Ninad. -------------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: Override recipient filters for specific sender
I have managed to train the people who do this in my organization to put all non-list addresses on the BCC line instead of To or CC, and list adddresses on the To line. Reduces the need to go in and accept them by about 50%, which is better than nothing. On Nov 15, 2022, at 10:22 AM, karlgsiew...@gmail.com<mailto:karlgsiew...@gmail.com> wrote: One of our list members sends announcements from their organization to the list on a regular basis. This is not a problem for us. However, because of the way they are structured, they get held for approval with either the "Message has implicit destination" or "Too many recipients to the message" errors. I then have to go in and accept them. I would like to save time by allowing this specific member to bypass the recipient filters. Is there a way to do this? -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: restoring a deleted list
And I see the perms error on the directory now! On Oct 21, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Bruce Johnson via Mailman-Users mailto:mailman-users@python.org>> wrote: Ugh, my elation at this fixing it was short lived. It’s back to the "Bug in Mailman" screen. still seeing the error : admin(76376): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi_grad/config.pck.tmp.dhbmailman2.Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU<http://Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><http://Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>.76376' Permissions appear correct per you last message: drwxr-sr-x 2 mailman mailman 47 Oct 21 04:30 kappapsi_grad kappapsi_grad: total 80 -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 36911 Oct 21 04:30 config.pck -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 36911 Oct 20 04:30 config.pck.last On Oct 19, 2022, at 5:21 PM, Mark Sapiro mailto:m...@msapiro.net><mailto:m...@msapiro.net>> wrote: On 10/19/22 14:58, Bruce Johnson via Mailman-Users wrote: I can access the admin login page after doing that but trying to get into the list after entering the password I get Bug in Mailman version 2.1.29 We're sorry, we hit a bug! ... There’s no error in he web logs, but this is in the mailman error log Oct 19 14:45:13 2022 (495303) Failed config.pck write, retaining old state. [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi_grad/config.pck.tmp.dhbmailman2.Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU<http://Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><http://Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><http://Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>.495303' You have a permissions error. Permissions on /var/lib/mailman/lists/ and /var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi_grad/ should be `rwxrwsr-x` and permissions on /var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi_grad/config.pck should be `rw-rw. The owner is not important, but the group must be the group mailman runs as. Mailman's `bin/check_perms -f` run as root should fix this. -- Mark Sapiro mailto:m...@msapiro.net><mailto:m...@msapiro.net>>The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org<mailto:mailman-users@python.org><mailto:mailman-users@python.org> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org<mailto:mailman-users-le...@python.org><mailto:mailman-users-le...@python.org> https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs ---------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs ---------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: restoring a deleted list
Ugh, my elation at this fixing it was short lived. It’s back to the "Bug in Mailman" screen. still seeing the error : admin(76376): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi_grad/config.pck.tmp.dhbmailman2.Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU<http://Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>.76376' Permissions appear correct per you last message: drwxr-sr-x 2 mailman mailman 47 Oct 21 04:30 kappapsi_grad kappapsi_grad: total 80 -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 36911 Oct 21 04:30 config.pck -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 36911 Oct 20 04:30 config.pck.last On Oct 19, 2022, at 5:21 PM, Mark Sapiro mailto:m...@msapiro.net>> wrote: On 10/19/22 14:58, Bruce Johnson via Mailman-Users wrote: I can access the admin login page after doing that but trying to get into the list after entering the password I get Bug in Mailman version 2.1.29 We're sorry, we hit a bug! ... There’s no error in he web logs, but this is in the mailman error log Oct 19 14:45:13 2022 (495303) Failed config.pck write, retaining old state. [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi_grad/config.pck.tmp.dhbmailman2.Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU<http://Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><http://Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>.495303' You have a permissions error. Permissions on /var/lib/mailman/lists/ and /var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi_grad/ should be `rwxrwsr-x` and permissions on /var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi_grad/config.pck should be `rw-rw. The owner is not important, but the group must be the group mailman runs as. Mailman's `bin/check_perms -f` run as root should fix this. -- Mark Sapiro mailto:m...@msapiro.net>>The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org<mailto:mailman-users@python.org> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org<mailto:mailman-users-le...@python.org> https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs ---------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: restoring a deleted list
Thanks (as usual!) Mark! On Oct 19, 2022, at 5:21 PM, Mark Sapiro mailto:m...@msapiro.net>> wrote: On 10/19/22 14:58, Bruce Johnson via Mailman-Users wrote: I can access the admin login page after doing that but trying to get into the list after entering the password I get Bug in Mailman version 2.1.29 We're sorry, we hit a bug! ... There’s no error in he web logs, but this is in the mailman error log Oct 19 14:45:13 2022 (495303) Failed config.pck write, retaining old state. [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi_grad/config.pck.tmp.dhbmailman2.Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU<http://Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><http://Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>.495303' You have a permissions error. Permissions on /var/lib/mailman/lists/ and /var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi_grad/ should be `rwxrwsr-x` and permissions on /var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi_grad/config.pck should be `rw-rw. The owner is not important, but the group must be the group mailman runs as. Mailman's `bin/check_perms -f` run as root should fix this. -- Mark Sapiro mailto:m...@msapiro.net>>The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -------------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org<mailto:mailman-users@python.org> To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org<mailto:mailman-users-le...@python.org> https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs ---------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: restoring a deleted list
I can access the admin login page after doing that but trying to get into the list after entering the password I get Bug in Mailman version 2.1.29 We're sorry, we hit a bug! Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs or the web server logs. There’s no error in he web logs, but this is in the mailman error log Oct 19 14:45:13 2022 (495303) Failed config.pck write, retaining old state. [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi_grad/config.pck.tmp.dhbmailman2.Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU<http://Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>.495303' Oct 19 14:45:13 2022 admin(495303): admin(495303): [- Mailman Version: 2.1.29 -] admin(495303): [- Traceback --] admin(495303): Traceback (most recent call last): admin(495303): File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 117, in run_main admin(495303): main() admin(495303): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 251, in main admin(495303): mlist.Save() admin(495303): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 613, in Save admin(495303): self.__save(dict) admin(495303): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 568, in __save admin(495303): fp = open(fname_tmp, 'w') admin(495303): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi_grad/config.pck.tmp.dhbmailman2.Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU<http://Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU>.495303' admin(495303): [- Python Information -] admin(495303): sys.version = 2.7.18 (default, May 10 2022, 23:39:58) [GCC 8.5.0 20210514 (Red Hat 8.5.0-10)] admin(495303): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python2 admin(495303): sys.prefix = /usr admin(495303): sys.exec_prefix = /usr admin(495303): sys.path= ['/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib', '/usr/lib/mailman', '/usr/lib/mailman/scripts', '/usr/lib/mailman', '/usr/lib/python27.zip', '/usr/lib64/python2.7', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/plat-linux2', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/lib-tk', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/lib-old', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/lib-dynload', '/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages', '/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages'] admin(495303): sys.platform= linux2 admin(495303): [- Environment Variables -] admin(495303): CONTENT_LENGTH: 39 admin(495303): HTTPS: on admin(495303): HTTP_COOKIE: admin(495303): SERVER_NAME: lists.pharmacy.arizona.edu<http://lists.pharmacy.arizona.edu> admin(495303): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1 admin(495303): PYTHONPATH: /usr/lib/mailman admin(495303): REMOTE_ADDR: 128.196.45.237 admin(495303): REQUEST_SCHEME: https admin(495303): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin admin(495303): REQUEST_METHOD: POST admin(495303): SERVER_PORT: 443 admin(495303): HTTP_HOST: lists.pharmacy.arizona.edu<http://lists.pharmacy.arizona.edu> admin(495303): PATH_INFO: /kappapsi_grad admin(495303): CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded admin(495303): REMOTE_PORT: 51907 admin(495303): QUERY_STRING: admin(495303): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/kappapsi_grad admin(495303): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/html But afaik the permissions are correct: ls -laR /var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi_grad/ /var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi_grad/: total 52 drwxr-sr-x 2 mailman mailman24 Oct 19 14:33 . drwxrwsr-x 105 rootmailman 8192 Oct 19 14:32 .. -rw-r- 1 mailman mailman 36911 Oct 19 14:33 config.pck versus a working list: ls -laR /var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi/ /var/lib/mailman/lists/kappapsi/: total 104 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 258 Oct 19 04:30 . drwxrwsr-x 105 rootmailman 8192 Oct 19 14:32 .. -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1706 Jan 29 2001 admindbpreamble.html -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 12557 Aug 12 2005 config.db -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 12557 Aug 11 2005 config.db.last -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 11653 Oct 19 04:30 config.pck -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 11653 Oct 18 13:07 config.pck.last -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 189 Jan 29 2001 handle_opts.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 3136 Jan 29 2001 listinfo.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 4106 Jan 29 2001 options.html -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 391 Oct 12 20:58 pending.pck -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman20 Oct 12 21:01 request.pck -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1169 Jan 29 2001 roster.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 185 Jan 29 2001 subscribe.html Restarting the server did not work. On Oct 18, 2022, at 5:42 PM, Mark Sapiro mailto:m...@msapiro.net>> wrote: On 10/18/22 16:45, Bruce Johnson via Mailman-Users wrote: How can I restore the list? Is it just a matter of creating a new list with the old name, then replacing the files in that directory
[Mailman-Users] restoring a deleted list
I deleted a bunch of old lists on our server a while back; found any list that had no messages in the last two years and deleted via rmlist, but first I copied all the list files in /var/lib/mailman/lists to a different archive directory, just in case. Now 3 months later I’ve gotten a question from someone about "where did this list go?” How can I restore the list? Is it just a matter of creating a new list with the old name, then replacing the files in that directory with the archived ones? Or will just restprign the directory to /var/lib/mailman/lists suffice? It was not being archived so that is not an issue. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: Duplicate emails being received
On 2022-10-18 15:37, Mark Sapiro wrote: # cat /lib/systemd/system/mailman.service PIDFile=/var/run/mailman/mailman.pid Try changing that to PIDFile=/var/lib/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid Super! That did the job. #PIDFile=/var/run/mailman/mailman.pid PIDFile=/var/lib/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid ... # service mailman stop Warning: The unit file, source configuration file or drop-ins of mailman.service changed on disk. Run 'systemctl daemon-reload' to reload units. # systemctl daemon-reload # service mailman stop # service mailman start # pstree / MAILMAN RUNNING # ps -fwwu list / ALL RUNNERS RUNNING ** /var/run is typically a symlink to /run, but https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/message/OOVT765SIUYN5U3X3HGO3YNAMFJW7NHY/ says you couldn't find a `mailman.pid` anywhere. Yes. For "mailman.pid" nothing is found with either "find" or "locate". For "master-qrunner.pid" -- no problem ... # locate master-qrunner.pid /var/lib/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid # find / -type f -iname "master-qrunner.pid" /var/lib/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid ** ---------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: Duplicate emails being received
On 2022-10-18 14:29, Mark Sapiro wrote: FROM: Me via listn...@listdomain.com TO: listn...@listdomain.com CC: m...@mydomain.com This is expected. See the comment in the code beginning at https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py#L201 for why we do this. Got it. Thank you. # ps -fAww |grep python root 432 1 0 00:36 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/fail2ban-server -xf start list 745 1 0 00:38 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start list 751 745 2 00:38 ? 00:00:04 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s nobody 913 911 0 00:40 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/local/bin/mpanel-memory-graph root 921 908 0 00:40 pts/0 00:00:00 grep python There should be more. Where are ArchRunner, BounceRunner, CommandRunner, IncomingRunner, NewsRunner, VirginRunner and RetryRunner? Did you edit them out? What does `ps -fwwu list` show? I hadn't edited then out, but when I ran "ps -fAww |grep python" again just now, they're all present now. Good to know that all those are supposed to be there (in case there's a "next time"). And "ps -fwwu list" shows the same. # ps -fAww |grep python root 432 1 0 00:36 ?00:00:20 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/fail2ban-server -xf start nobody5348 5343 0 03:45 ?00:00:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/local/bin/mpanel-memory-graph list 5407 1 0 03:47 ?00:00:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start list 5408 5407 0 03:47 ?00:00:00 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s list 5409 5407 0 03:47 ?00:00:00 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s list 5410 5407 0 03:47 ?00:00:00 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s list 5411 5407 0 03:47 ?00:00:00 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s list 5412 5407 0 03:47 ?00:00:00 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s list 5413 5407 0 03:47 ?00:00:00 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s list 5414 5407 0 03:47 ?00:00:00 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s list 5415 5407 1 03:47 ?00:00:00 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=RetryRunner:0:1 -s root 5422 5416 0 03:47 pts/000:00:00 grep python * /// DID THAT PID FILE REAPPEAR? # find / -type f -iname "mailman.pid" /// NO RESULT. ... shrug ... I suspect an issue with the Debian/Ubuntu package. What is the content of /etc/systemd/system/mailman.service? # cd /etc/systemd/system/ # ls -la ... mailman-qrunner.service -> /lib/systemd/system/mailman.service # cat /lib/systemd/system/mailman.service [Unit] Description=Mailman Master Queue Runner After=network.target [Service] Type=forking PIDFile=/var/run/mailman/mailman.pid ExecStart=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start ExecStop=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop ExecReload=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl restart Restart=always RestartSec=3s RestartPreventExitStatus=1 [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target Alias=mailman-qrunner.service *** It seems that it was looking for the PID file in "/run/mailman/mailman.pid" (below) and the above says it lives at "/var/run/mailman/mailman.pid" Oct 18 00:30:13 syd systemd[1]: mailman.service: Can't open PID file /run/mailman/mailman.pid (yet?) after start: No such file or directory ---------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: Duplicate emails being received
On 10/17/22 9:20 PM, Mark Dale via Mailman-Users wrote: Thanks for that pointer. You're welcome. At the moment the Postfix smtpd_timeout = 60s. I think the original default is 300s. I don't see any problem with having the higher value. Most connections will complete well within that amount of time. 20% of that time in fact. The few that don't will not adversely effect your server. The restart (as per Mark S.'s advice) has got the mail back to one copy. If it goes off the rails again I'll experiment with that timeout. ACK That was my bad. I had a cert error and thinking the message hadn't been sent, I resent it. * Things happen. There is one timeout error (unrelated I think) that gets repeated every hour approx. for just one recipient. So you know what the error would look like and you have the absence of it as the source of the problem you were asking about. That seems like a good thing to me. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: Duplicate emails being received
On 2022-10-18 12:41, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote: I've seen this type of duplication when there were communications problems that were causing your outbound MTA to send messages multiple times. This usually happens when there are communications problems and your sending MTA doesn't receive the confirmation from receiving MTAs that they have accepted the message. This might be a result of a timeout setting being too low on your sending MTA. Thanks for that pointer. At the moment the Postfix smtpd_timeout = 60s. I think the original default is 300s. The restart (as per Mark S.'s advice) has got the mail back to one copy. If it goes off the rails again I'll experiment with that timeout. Given that your message to the mailman-users mailing list came to the list twice, which didn't involve your instance of Mailman, I sort of suspect you have lower level / SMTP problems That was my bad. I had a cert error and thinking the message hadn't been sent, I resent it. * I think that your MTA's logs will be a very good place to start looking. At least to see if there is evidence of problems or not. There is one timeout error (unrelated I think) that gets repeated every hour approx. for just one recipient. Oct 17 18:31:47 syd postfix/smtpd[30094]: timeout after END-OF-MESSAGE from mpv-out-cfd-1.REDACTED-DOMAIN.COM[REDACTED-IP4-ADDRESS] ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: Duplicate emails being received
On 10/17/22 5:25 PM, Mark Dale via Mailman-Users wrote: Does anyone have any tips or pointers? I've seen this type of duplication when there were communications problems that were causing your outbound MTA to send messages multiple times. This usually happens when there are communications problems and your sending MTA doesn't receive the confirmation from receiving MTAs that they have accepted the message. This might be a result of a timeout setting being too low on your sending MTA. Given that your message to the mailman-users mailing list came to the list twice, which didn't involve your instance of Mailman, I sort of suspect you have lower level / SMTP problems. I think that your MTA's logs will be a very good place to start looking. At least to see if there is evidence of problems or not. -- Grant. . . . unix || die smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ---------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: Duplicate emails being received
The problem: subscribers are all receiving duplicate copies of the original post and any replies. Are you saying that each list member receives 2 copies of an original post addressed only to the list? Each and every list member receives 2 copies of the post. It is addressed to the list AND CCed to the poster's own email address. EG. FROM: Me via listn...@listdomain.com TO: listn...@listdomain.com CC: m...@mydomain.com ** Ensure you don't have multiple runners processing the same slice of their queues. See https://wiki.list.org/x/4030715 for the procedure to stop ALL Mailman processes and then start it only once. I stepped through this (results below). After a reboot, there is only one runner. /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s ** Examine the Received: headers of both copies to determine the paths that the message takes from poster to recipient. I "diffed" the headers of both emails to check, and the message paths are the same. ** After the reboot, I posted a test to the list(just the list address, no CC) and now just the one copy of the message is delivered (although it wrote my address into the CC field). FROM: Me via listn...@listdomain.com TO: listn...@listdomain.com CC: m...@mydomain.com So far so good. I'll keep an eye on the qrunner over the next few days. It came good last time I restarted the qrunner, then went bad. But as you say, there may well have been more than one runner doing their bit. Here are the steps and results I went through. # service mailman stop # ps -fAww |grep python root 432 1 0 Oct01 ?00:48:57 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/fail2ban-server -xf start nobody5659 5658 0 00:25 ?00:00:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/local/bin/mpanel-memory-graph root 5687 5642 0 00:26 pts/000:00:00 grep python // I SHOULD HAVE CHECKED THAT BEFORE STOPPING MAILMAN # service mailman start /// FAILED TO START ... Oct 18 00:30:12 syd systemd[1]: Starting Mailman Master Queue Runner... Oct 18 00:30:13 syd mailmanctl[5791]: Starting Mailman's master qrunner. Oct 18 00:30:13 syd systemd[1]: mailman.service: Can't open PID file /run/mailman/mailman.pid (yet?) after start: No such file or directory /// oh? MAYBE IT LIVES SOMEWHERE ELSE # find / -type f -iname "mailman.pid" /// NO RESULT / hmmm, AM I PANICKING YET? #reboot / phew..., MAILMAN RUNNING AFTER REBOOT. # pstree systemd─┬─agetty ├─cron .. ├─mailmanctl───python ├─master─┬─anvil │├─2*[bounce] ... # ps -fAww |grep python // LOOKS LIKE ONLY 1 RUNNER. So far, so good. root 432 1 0 00:36 ?00:00:00 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/fail2ban-server -xf start list 745 1 0 00:38 ?00:00:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start list 751 745 2 00:38 ?00:00:04 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s nobody 913 911 0 00:40 ?00:00:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/local/bin/mpanel-memory-graph root 921 908 0 00:40 pts/000:00:00 grep python /// DID THAT PID FILE REAPPEAR? # find / -type f -iname "mailman.pid" /// NO RESULT. ... shrug ... All seems well, the list is delivering single copies of the message (for now). Thank you Mark for that advice. Very much appreciated. -------------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Duplicate emails being received
Hi, I've got a list with ~1600 subscribers (Mailman 2.1.39). It gets one or two messages posted to it each day (by subscribers). The problem: subscribers are all receiving duplicate copies of the original post and any replies. All the subscribers are have "nodupes" switched on, and the list is set to replies to go to "This list". I restarted the qrunner with: bin/mailmanctl -s restart That seemed to resolve things for a moment but then it started up again. Does anyone have any tips or pointers? Cheers. ---------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Duplicate emails being received
Hi, I've got a list with ~1600 subscribers (Mailman 2.1.39). It gets one or two messages posted to it each day (by subscribers). The problem: subscribers are all receiving duplicate copies of the original post and any replies. All the subscribers are have "nodupes" switched on, and the list is set to replies to go to "This list". I restarted the qrunner with: bin/mailmanctl -s restart That seemed to resolve things for a moment but then it started up again. Does anyone have any tips or pointers? Cheers. ---------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: Hevy resource footprint forces backdrop to mailman 2.1
On 2022-10-10 23:14, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > so I had to switch to a new provider. The new v-server is > debian-based. the release is bullseye which does still provide ... ... browse both the "venv" installation described in our docs at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html and Brian Carpenter's Debian installation guide at https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Howto_Install_Mailman3_On_Debian10. Then choose the guide you find more compatible with your thinking, and follow that. See also: "Installing Mailman3 on Debian 11": Tom Kisner -- Jul 9, 2022 https://kn6q.org/installing-mailman-3-on-debian-11 Kelly Close's guide "Mailman 3 Setup Using Ubuntu Bionic" works for Debian Bullseye. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xIcSsoNFp2nHi7r4eQys00s9a0k2sHhu1V5PlantPTs/edit -------------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: Delayed messages
Hello Robert Heller. On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 09:28:50 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: > What sorts of e-mail addresses are delayed. Are *all* users seeing > delays or only some (eg only people with @yahoo.com or > @hotmail.com addresses?). It concerns all addresses - even those who are on the same server / same domain. > Do you have access to your server's mail queue? Do you have command-line > access to your server? No, unfortunately not. It is a cPanel installation on a virtual server. Christian -- Christian Buser, Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland) Hilfe fuer Strassenkinder in Ghana: https://www.chance-for-children.org ---------- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
