MD: LiP-12 battery source
I've lost one of my three LiP-12(H) batteries. Does anyone know of a source for these? Thanks. ~ Kiran [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.io.com/contradance/ 1628 5th St NW Wash DC 20001 (202) 483-3373 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster
"Matthew Wall" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, here is a question for you all then, if the RIAA is s against napster, why havn't they tried to ban news servers? they have been around a H*ll of a lot longer than napster and i am 110% positive more copyrighted material has been downloaded from news servers than napster can even think of. just my 2 cents :) If you're talking about the RIAA specifically, and downloaded music, I think you're wrong about the amount of downloaded copyrighted material. From the statistics I've seen about Napster usage, I bet more music has been downloaded via Napster this year alone than in newgroups in the past twenty. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster and my venting
"Link :-7" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What has the recording industry done for me? They've saturated the Media with sh|t music... Brittany Spears, BackStreet Boys, Eminem, Limp Bizkit (I don't care how PRO-Napster they are, they still suck), oh, I forgot about the whole Latin Explosion too, nothing against it, but I guess Ska was two summers ago and last summer was Brian Setzer and Swing... Whatever they want to market. The only radio I listen to is oldies, and that's if I'm too lazy to hook up my minidisc to take a quick drive across town. Of course that's all your opinion, and has nothing to do with whether or not Napster is involved in copyright infringement... oh yeah, some entertainment: http://www.joecartoon.com/buddies/chaos/index.html Or goto: http://www.joecartoon.com Click Napster Bad! It's funny, and it is the truth about Metallica. For those that don't want to waste the bandwidth (and their time), the gist of the above cartoon is this: "Metallica fans who spend hundreds of dollars buying Metallica CDs, concert tickets, t-shirts, etc. are great unless they download Metallica MP3's, in which case the band wants them to go to jail." (That, and some really stupid caricatures of the band members.) Nice idea except for one fact: the people downloading the songs aren't the people who have been buying all the CDs, concert tickets, etc. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster
las [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the matter with the record companies?? Half of the music that is on Napster can't even be found anywhere!! It's not like you can go to Tower records and buy the CD. I'd be willing to bet all the money to my name that 99% of the songs on Napster are available at Tower, Virgin, or an online CD store. If you have no way of paying for something then how can it be stealing??? It's not stealing if there is no way to pay for it!! Not true at all. The record industry has to realize that the whole world is changing. Hell, all someone has to do is make arrangements with someone in some country that does not honor US or international copyrights and charge 5 cents a download. I don't see how you can stop someone from doing something like this when they are not bound by US law. There are international copyright laws. If the person who started the internet had licensed the Web, he would be richer then Gates today. But I'm glad that he didn't. The internet is the last true democracy. All we need if the government sticking it's 2 cents into it and blanking the whole thing up. Well, now that you mention it, some British company is now claiming that they own the patent for hypertext links, and so everyone using links on their web site now owes them a royalty ;-) All that said, I think your idea about charging a modest fee for MP3 downloads is a good one, and one we'll see before too long. Maybe when Metallash!t has to keep canceling concerts because they can't sell enough tickets, they'll have a change of heart too!! They are got to be lower then pond scum. Even lower then lawyers!!! (if you can get that low!!). They are suing their fans This has got to be a first. I don't get this. A band is upset that people are stealing their music, they try to shut down the company making such theft possible, and that makes them "lower than pond scum?" They *aren't* suing their fans. They are going after Napster. As for the *real* issues behind the Napster case, I don't buy the "I'm just downloading music I already have" argument, since on most computers nowadays, with anything slower than a T1, it's faster to rip the songs off your own CDs than it is to download a 4-6 MB MP3. The major use for Napster is to download songs that people don't have. The other argument made frequently is that downloading songs lets you "try them out" and that if you like them you'll go buy the CD. 1) Even if that were true, that doesn't make it legal, and it's still up to the record companies and artists as to whether they want to allow it. 2) The single study that claims that this *is* true was severely methodologically flawed, so there is still no evidence that this theory is accurate. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster and my venting
For those that don't want to waste the bandwidth (and their time), the gist of the above cartoon is this: "Metallica fans who spend hundreds of dollars buying Metallica CDs, concert tickets, t-shirts, etc. are great unless they download Metallica MP3's, in which case the band wants them to go to jail." (That, and some really stupid caricatures of the band members.) Nice idea except for one fact: the people downloading the songs aren't the people who have been buying all the CDs, concert tickets, etc. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I cut everything except this last part. I disagree 110% with your statement that people who use napster dont purchase cd's. Personally i do use napster for sampling only. Since i started using it, my cd purchases have increased big time. most of the reason is i can not stand how sh*tty mp3's sound, but dont mind them for simple sampling of songs. The Jimmy Page / Black Crows "live at the greek" is a great example of this. I listened to 2 songs in MP3 format and about 5 minutes later purchased the CD online (this is when it was only available online) so saying that all people who use napster are just evil leeches that are sucking both the riaa and the artists dry is just crazy. and also saying that Joe Bob that actually has 30k mp3's on his DLT tapes is hurting the industry is crazy too. if the avg song is 3 minutes long that would be a total of 1500 hours of music, which if listened to straight through you would be listening to songs for over 62 days straight. and personally i dont care who you are if you have that many mp3's you aren't going to ever listen to them all. heck you probably dont even know what 90% of them are. ok that was my venting. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster
Actually i can almost guarantee that newsgroups over thier entire lifetime have had more copyrighted material downloaded from them than napster ever has. they were going very very strong when i was in college, and this was in '92, and i know they were around a long long time before i noticed them. so over both thier life span's i seriously doubt that the amount of audio only transfered by napster comes close to news services. - Original Message - From: Dan Frakes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MDList [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 1:26 AM Subject: Re: MD: Napster "Matthew Wall" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, here is a question for you all then, if the RIAA is s against napster, why havn't they tried to ban news servers? they have been around a H*ll of a lot longer than napster and i am 110% positive more copyrighted material has been downloaded from news servers than napster can even think of. just my 2 cents :) If you're talking about the RIAA specifically, and downloaded music, I think you're wrong about the amount of downloaded copyrighted material. From the statistics I've seen about Napster usage, I bet more music has been downloaded via Napster this year alone than in newgroups in the past twenty. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster NATIONAL BOYCOTT
Boycotts have worked in the past. When I was a little boy (a million years ago) living in NYC they started a boycott against s company called Judy Bond Clothes. They had shopping bags that said "Don't buy Judy Bond Clothes". There's no Judy Bond clothes anymore is there?? heehee.. the shopping bag thing wouldn't work now... people would just think it was a publicity exercise, and then there would be a phase where all the labels clothes had "..don't buy these clothes.." phrase written on them, and then after a short while everyone would move onto the next fashion phase, and the company would go out of businesss.. er.. okay, so it would work.. seanB - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster stuff again...
Right on, lets all stop buying CDs and more importantly, tell all our friends to stop buying them and why. If you really need some music use a Napster alternative But surely this is still going to hurt the bands? I'm not defending the corporations here (although it sounds a bit like it), but this is how i understand it... : evil corporations 'create' acts, hoping to make buckets of money.. when/if they do, other corps think "hey, lets get ourselves a bit of that action", thus contributing to the excess of similar sounding sh|t. But sometimes, it's profits from the sales of these 'artists' (heh) which help fund (albeit in a limited way) a lot of the 'indie' labels that are affiliated to the majors. I think that if record sales continue to slump (apparently?) then it's all the small acts that will get dropped (i mean. it's already happening left right and centre..), and unless they can afford to record their own material and release it on the net themselves, i think we are going to miss out on a lot of music.. I don't mean that i disagree with boycotting, but is it likely that these companies will ever have a change of heart/brain where profits are concerned? I think it would be good if they got the idea, and started selling stuff on the net, but i cannot believe that we will ever see a song for sale for 25 cents! erm.. not one that you'ld want to own, anyway! (okay, i know music taste is subjective...!) When will media giants learn they can't control the internet? They have to live with it and accept things are a little different here. I spend money on the net (like my 30gig drive I installed tuesday) but bullying by large corporations seriously p!sses me off and they're not gonna get any income through that! I completely agree with that... i suppose that if a boycott eventually forced a change, then it could only be a good thing.. my own argument suggests that the majors aren't helping anyone but themselves, so maybe a boycott wouldn't do any more damage to small acts.. .. and i guess that if you want to make music THAT much, then you will find a way whatever. erm.. sorry, I'll shut up now. seanB - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] end Sean Buckingham Media Services Brunel University, UK * (Ext)2209 * (Direct) 0208 891 8264 * (e-1)[EMAIL PROTECTED] * (e-2)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Napster
Gotta work out a better quoting system in Word, but this will do. Read on. Adios, LarZ --- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dan Frakes Sent: Friday, 28 July 2000 4:39 To: MDList Subject:Re: MD: Napster I'd be willing to bet all the money to my name that 99% of the songs on Napster are available at Tower, Virgin, or an online CD store. Wrong bet. There's a lot of stuff out there that just can't be found at ANY CD store, and believe me, I have tried all over the world for some stuff that I've landed! If you have no way of paying for something then how can it be stealing??? It's not stealing if there is no way to pay for it!! Not true at all. Granted. It's perfectly logical that it is not true. The record industry has to realize that the whole world is changing. Hell, all someone has to do is make arrangements with someone in some country that does not honor US or international copyrights and charge 5 cents a download. I don't see how you can stop someone from doing something like this when they are not bound by US law. There are international copyright laws. There are, but not all countries adhere to them. Then again, they're not necessarily developed countries either. If the person who started the internet had licensed the Web, he would be richer then Gates today. But I'm glad that he didn't. The internet is the last true democracy. All we need if the government sticking it's 2 cents into it and blanking the whole thing up. Well, now that you mention it, some British company is now claiming that they own the patent for hypertext links, and so everyone using links on their web site now owes them a royalty ;-) All that said, I think your idea about charging a modest fee for MP3 downloads is a good one, and one we'll see before too long. With any luck. It's the only thing that doesn't defy true logic. Maybe when Metallash!t has to keep canceling concerts because they can't sell enough tickets, they'll have a change of heart too!! They are got to be lower then pond scum. Even lower then lawyers!!! (if you can get that low!!). They are suing their fans This has got to be a first. I don't get this. A band is upset that people are stealing their music, they try to shut down the company making such theft possible, and that makes them "lower than pond scum?" They *aren't* suing their fans. They are going after Napster. But why should they? I recall listening to a night show once on 2MMM (a "rock" station) where the DJ made a comment about "Napster releasing Metallica's single "I Disappear" before it was even released. I felt it was my duty to correct the misinformed, for everyone's benefit, so I called the moron. Now the WHOLE misconception is that Napster is only providing an interface between people who have these files. Napster themselves do not rip CD's, do not store mp3's on their servers, and most certainly do not tell people to infringe copyright laws. They merely provide a simple interface for people to exchange their stuff ... like a network hub, on a major scale. After all, if Napster is at fault for the distribution of mp3's, then why don't we move on and wipe out IRC as well since a lot of pirated software gets exchanged via the DCC feature? It's the same thing, and don't you even dare try to tell me otherwise! That, to me, is the *real* issue, as it were. So yes, the bands involved in the lawsuits ARE scum, because they went about it all the wrong way by wanting to shut down Napster. To bar the users from their service was a "reasonable" countermeasure to the unwanted distribution of their music, but not to shut down the service itself. Hell, while we're at it, let's shut down the entire telecommunications system for also providing people with an interface to exchange stuff that they shouldn't be. When an obscene phone caller starts to misappropriate the use of the telephone system for his own illegal doings, do you see the police demanding that the telephone exchanges be shutdown and removed? No! So when someone "misappropriates" the use of Napster, it shouldn't be shut down either. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. As for the *real* issues behind the Napster case, I don't buy the "I'm just downloading music I already have" argument, since on most computers nowadays, with anything slower than a T1, it's faster to rip the songs off your own CDs than it is to download a 4-6 MB MP3. The major use for Napster is to download songs that people don't have. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Napster
You bet wrong yet again. Who makes these statistics? Do you seriously believe that someone impartial to the RIAA has actually come up with the figures? The distribution of MP3's never even multiplied with a puff of smoke, let alone explode to astronomical proportions as the "statisticians" would like to consider it. Adios, LarZ --- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dan Frakes Sent: Friday, 28 July 2000 4:26 To: MDList Subject:Re: MD: Napster "Matthew Wall" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, here is a question for you all then, if the RIAA is s against napster, why havn't they tried to ban news servers? they have been around a H*ll of a lot longer than napster and i am 110% positive more copyrighted material has been downloaded from news servers than napster can even think of. just my 2 cents :) If you're talking about the RIAA specifically, and downloaded music, I think you're wrong about the amount of downloaded copyrighted material. From the statistics I've seen about Napster usage, I bet more music has been downloaded via Napster this year alone than in newgroups in the past twenty. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster NATIONAL BOYCOTT
okay... having read more messages in the topic, and now been to these sites, I'm more inclined to say that these companies can src3w themselves. sorry if any of my earlier comments annoyed anyone... g seanB PrinceGaz wrote I knew I would get some dubious info from thr RIAA site, but what I found at one point forced me to leave the computer in disgust. Most artists get bugger all of the cost of a disc, and for them to suggest otherwise is rubbish. They must think we have sh!t for brains. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] end Sean Buckingham Media Services Brunel University, UK * (Ext)2209 * (Direct) 0208 891 8264 * (e-1)[EMAIL PROTECTED] * (e-2)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster and my venting
Da: Dan Frakes [EMAIL PROTECTED] For those that don't want to waste the bandwidth (and their time), the gist of the above cartoon is this: "Metallica fans who spend hundreds of dollars buying Metallica CDs, concert tickets, t-shirts, etc. are great unless they download Metallica MP3's, in which case the band wants them to go to jail." (That, and some really stupid caricatures of the band members.) Nice idea except for one fact: the people downloading the songs aren't the people who have been buying all the CDs, concert tickets, etc. That's not true. At least, it's not necessarily true. Pick my case, for example: I have *all* the original Metallica CDs, but I was banned by Napster (under Metallica's request) because I downloaded a couple of rare Metallica live recordings (not official... they're bootlegs excerpts). I fully recognize myself in that cartoon... ;-) Luca Milano, Italy - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster
Da: Dan Frakes [EMAIL PROTECTED] All that said, I think your idea about charging a modest fee for MP3 downloads is a good one, and one we'll see before too long. There's something even easier: if Napster showed commercial banners, it could still be free... something like "look at our commercials and we'll pay you in CDs"... er, MP3s actually... "The Britney Spears' MP3 you are now downloading is offered by... [put advertiser here]" Luca Milano, Italy - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: JE520 transport mech repairs?
--- Alan Dowds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow - Richer Sounds backdated the warranty? That's bloody fantastic - did you have to haggle hard or did they just offer? They just offered - it took me by surprise too. I don't know whether my off-the-cuff remark about this being the very first time I'd not bothered with their Supercare warranty (which was true - when I bought my first separates system from them 7-8 years ago, I paid the extra on everything) swayed the saleschap at all. What's more I've just had a phone call to confirm that my JE520 is already back - in just 7 days. Now no-one on this list will buy an extended warranty - you just wait till the thing breaks, then pay the extra! If everyone tries it, they might revise their policy... ;) Regards, Mike. __ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster..off topic still!
re: I disagree 110% with your statement that people who use napster dont purchase cd's. well.. most of the mp3's i have are songs i already own, i just don't want to take my cd's to work. I have some rare stuff live/old that i don't think is for sale (legally, anyway). I have some that made me buy the CD's, and i have a few that didn't. Most of the time, if i really like a song, i want to own it. If i don't like an Mp3, i delete it re: I don't get this. A band is upset that people are stealing their music, they try to shut down the company making such theft possible, and that makes them "lower than pond scum?" They *aren't* suing their fans. They are going after Napster. totally. Having been in a sh|tty small time band, i know i wouldn't want people stealing music that i had worked hard to create. Essentially, it does boil down to theft, i'm not sure how you can argue it any other way really. i hate mettalica anyway, though! !P I'd be willing to bet all the money to my name that 99% of the songs on Napster are available at Tower, Virgin, or an online CD store. mmm... not sure about that..maybe it depends on your music taste, and the online CD store.. I havent seen 'ventolin (cylob mix)' for sale yet (although I'm sure it is available somewhere), but i WILL buy it when i do. there is a lot of live stuff available that i doubt you can buy. It may well be a high percentage, but surely not 99? I'd be willing to bet that you would lose your money! If you have no way of paying for something then how can it be stealing??? It's not stealing if there is no way to pay for it!! Not true at all. TOTALLY agree... sorry las, but i don't think you can legitimately back up that arguement!. i'm not saying that i don't have mp3's of stuff that is hard to find.. but i wouldn't deny that technically i don't have any write to own the music.. I'd just rather be paying the artist instead of the label. that doesn't justify the artist getting *nothing* though. hehe.. my arguments are all two-faced, aren't they! seanB end Sean Buckingham Media Services Brunel University, UK * (Ext)2209 * (Direct) 0208 891 8264 * (e-1)[EMAIL PROTECTED] * (e-2)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster stuff again...
But maybe the small bands could bypass the record corporations altogether if Napster was still around? They could market their own music, (as many small bands have done) and then any sales would go direct to the band, insted of 99% of it to the greedy suits in the greedy record corps... IMHO, these vultures have had it too good for too long - the sooner they become redundent to the whole distribution/marketing chain the better... GB But surely this is still going to hurt the bands? I'm not defending the corporations here (although it sounds a bit like it), but this is how i understand it... - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === If napster is bad for the music industry, then how come sales are up since Napster started?? My oldest son made a good point when I was talking to him on the phone last night. Aside from the things that I mentioned about half of the music on Napster not being available for sale, he felt that must people don't download to save the money on a CD. They do it to sample. He feels that no fan is going to download entire CDs. They want the liner notes, graphics etc. Larry PrinceGaz wrote: From: "Matthew Wall" [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, here is a question for you all then, if the RIAA is s against napster, why havn't they tried to ban news servers? they have been around a H*ll of a lot longer than napster and i am 110% positive more copyrighted material has been downloaded from news servers than napster can even think of. just my 2 cents :) Cos the music industry sees Napster as a blatant music piracy tool-- you go online and download anything you fancy from anyone else while they do the same with your collection available. And the more anyone downloads, the more there is for everyone else next time. I got a bud who works for Trading Standards here in Britain, he's a good guy who is serious about his job and I think he'll have no regrets when Napster vanishes. I understand how he feels but Napster do not themselves do anything wrong, they merely provide the means to exchange information- if some of that info is material you have not paid for, napster are not to blame-- I'm certain that is in the Napster aggrement when you install it. Course the net is faster than these media moguls and I've already downloaded an altrnative prog thanks to someone who replied earlier, and if US bans Napster, wots the bet some European company wont do their equivalent. These servers don't really hold anything, just relay (vast amounts) of traffic, they could be set up anywhere. Just stick an advertising banner on it and politely ask peeps to click and Bob's your uncle :-) Hell, I heard Brunei does not even recognise copyright law and you can freely copy anything. Apologies for rambling, its 0445hrs in Britain. PrinceGaz. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Good Thought !
Didn't I hear that on the TV show "Millennium?" I'm not doing any flaming here and apologize for getting off of the topic, but that is one of those cryptic statements that people like Chris Carter write that really have no meaning in the real world. Saying that without evil there could be no good is like saying that in space you would be weightless and then since you had no substance you would not exist. If there was no evil we might not have the word good. But it is just a question of all things being relative. There would actually be only good, but since there was no evil, what we now consider good would just be "normal". You can apply this concept to all opposites. Pretty and ugly; big and small; smart and dumb; etc. It's all just semantics regards, Larry PrinceGaz wrote: From: "Peter Forest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Think you may like this... "Good needs evil if it is to be able to manifest itself. Without evil, good will go to sleep, because there is nothing left to stimulate it. Evil excites good, stimulates good and good is then able to manifest itself. It (snip...) Peter I was expecting a funnmy comment about Sony and Sharp at the end here, still the philosophising about good and evil was interesting, and indeed true. PrinceGaz. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster and my venting
" Nice idea except for one fact: the people downloading the songs aren't the people who have been buying all the CDs, concert tickets, etc." I don't know that is true. Who is going to download their music?? People who don't like them?? Come on! I'm sure that many, many of the people that have downloaded Metallash!t's music have jewel cases of their "legal" CDs around. Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster
"I don't get this. A band is upset that people are stealing their music, they try to shut down the company making such theft possible, and that makes them "lower than pond scum?" They *aren't* suing their fans. They are going after Napster." You don't know your fact. There are also several John and Jane Does listed in suits from Metallash!t, Napster fans Read the last issue of Yahoo magazine. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Napigator : How does it work ?
Hi Everyone... Yesterday I've downloaded Napigator from the website someone give us on the list... However, I don't know what to do with this ? May I use it with Internet Explorer or I need to have Unix ??? How can I download MP3 songs with Napigator ? Is it legal ? Usually I was going on several website to download MP3 songs but it was very often busy or broken links so I get rid of those... Is it better with Napigator ? Please Help Me with Napigator (or any way to download oldies songs from '70, '80 and '90... My favorites !!! Thanks Pierre. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Good Thought !
Yes, semantics it is ! Peter. Didn't I hear that on the TV show "Millennium?" I'm not doing any flaming here and apologize for getting off of the topic, but that is one of those cryptic statements that people like Chris Carter write that really have no meaning in the real world. Saying that without evil there could be no good is like saying that in space you would be weightless and then since you had no substance you would not exist. If there was no evil we might not have the word good. But it is just a question of all things being relative. There would actually be only good, but since there was no evil, what we now consider good would just be "normal". You can apply this concept to all opposites. Pretty and ugly; big and small; smart and dumb; etc. It's all just semantics regards, Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Napigator : How does it work ?
All the answers to your questions are on Napigator's website. And yes, of course it is legal! Adios, LarZ --- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Peter Forest Sent: Friday, 28 July 2000 11:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:MD: Napigator : How does it work ? Hi Everyone... Yesterday I've downloaded Napigator from the website someone give us on the list... However, I don't know what to do with this ? May I use it with Internet Explorer or I need to have Unix ??? How can I download MP3 songs with Napigator ? Is it legal ? Usually I was going on several website to download MP3 songs but it was very often busy or broken links so I get rid of those... Is it better with Napigator ? Please Help Me with Napigator (or any way to download oldies songs from '70, '80 and '90... My favorites !!! Thanks Pierre. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Napster and other things
Hey everyone, I'm a long time lurker on this list and I thought I'd throw in my opinion on this whole Napster thing. First of all, you guys are kidding yourself by trying to boycott the RIAA buy not buying CDs. There are way to many people that purchase CDs everyday for any online community to attempt to lower CD sales by a significant amount. They're not even going to notice! Napster being shut down doesn't make a damn bit of difference anyway. The theory is out and the floodgates are open. Shutting them down came too little and too late. If you're looking for a substitute program, try Gnutella. It's free. http://gnutella.wego.com/ As far as Napster hurting the artists...I find that hard to believe. Just because someone has lots of mp3s on their hard disk doesn't mean squat. How many people have the capability to convert mp3 to wav and then burn it onto a mix CD for themselves? A big chunk of Napster users are college kids hooked up to a fat pipeline in their dorm rooms. I find it doubtful that the majority of them will ever take mp3s off their computer to CD. Most people are still going to go and buy their favorite artists CDs so they can play them in their car or stereo or whatever else. Napster promotes for music than it does damage. There are NUMEROUS budding artists that get their music heard by distributing it on Napster. Shutting them down is going to hurt them the most. Artists shouldn't be relying on CD sales anyway. Take a look at the Grateful Dead and now Phish. Those bands allow recording of their shows for trade between fans. They're not the only bands, either. There are tons of them. These bands make their buck by TOURING. That's where you get your money. Not from CD sales. Trading their live music does wonders to promote bands. Phish is one of the highest grossing acts in the world right now. Did they get that way from their CD sales? HELL NO! Look at Dave Matthews Band. They got their following by allowing taping and look how huge they are. Metallica is way off if they think Napster is hurting their profits. They need to stop whining and start touring if they want to make a buck. Napster itself isn't illegal anyway. What goes on is, but they don't rip CDs and feed them to people. The internet cannot be controlled. When is the government and everyone else going to learn that? Taylor - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Napigator : How does it work ?
Justly... I read the website, and it was not so clear for me... Don't forget that I'm not so familiar wit all this... Is it ok if I use Internet Explorer ? I don't know nothing about UNIX... Pierre. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tony Antoniou Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 10:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MD: Napigator : How does it work ? All the answers to your questions are on Napigator's website. And yes, of course it is legal! Adios, LarZ "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Sony 940 deck
Does anyone yet own the Sony 940 deck? the specs don't show it recording in mono, that's surely not been left out, has it? - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster viewpoint
Will someone please explain to the recording industry the difference between my being able to record the same artist's performance from an FM Tuner to MD compared to recording it from Napster to MD ? Either way there is now no additional cost to me after purchasing all the necessary not inexpensive equipment, nor should there be. It would appear that it's alright from the RIAA's stance that in the case of the FM Radio they have been able to extract their royalties from the broadcaster but in the case of Napster it's not alright since they haven't been able to do so so far ? They must really salivate when they ruminate on the "audience" numbers that could be gleaned from Napster's download figures. The discernible difference to me personally is that Napster permits me to have a choice to what I want to listen to right there and then, as opposed to having to listen to maybe an hour or two's worth of music ( to say nothing of the excruciating advertising ) in order to garner a pleasureable three minute cut. If I choose to retain those three minutes then that's OK if it's radio but not, according to the RIAA, if it's Napster. I do happen to have a sizeable 45,78,LP,CD,Cassette library nonetheless. The crux of the matter is that the RIAA wants the same pound of flesh from Napster as it gets from the radio broadcasters. Then let them sit down and agree to terms. RIAA, this is the 21st Century, and besides this being what contemporary "radio" should evolve to, a matter of programming CHOICE, don't stand in the way of progress with this dog-in-the-manger attitude and adopt the stance that if you can't make any money from it then throw out the baby with the bath water. As paying through-the-nose consumers we have had enough of TV and Radio so-called "programming" just being a vehicle for advertisers to annoyingly peddle their wares, and WE'RE NOT GOING TO STAND FOR IT ANY MORE - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony 940 deck
If I'm not mistaken, the 940 can do up to 320 minutes of stereo recording, from using ATRAC3 encoding. So Sony may have left mono recording out. It's highly likely that it will play mono tracks, though. Leon Does anyone yet own the Sony 940 deck? the specs don't show it recording in mono, that's surely not been left out, has it? - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster and my venting
"Matthew Wall" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cut everything except this last part. I disagree 110% with your statement that people who use napster dont purchase cd's. Personally i do use napster for sampling only. Since i started using it, my cd purchases have increased big time. most of the reason is i can not stand how sh*tty mp3's sound, but dont mind them for simple sampling of songs. I didn't say that those who use Napster don't purchase CDs. Only that there has only been a single study claiming that those who use Napster purchase more CDs, and that study was badly flawed, so there is no real proof that the statement is true. And let's all be honest -- many people downloading Metallica songs *aren't* the hardcore fans who own all their albums, t-shirts, etc. They are people who simply don't want to pay for CDs. I'm actually with you -- I have used Napster to sample stuff, but I hate the sound quality and if I like it I go out and buy the CD. But I'm realistic enough to know that people like you and I make up only a fraction of those who use the service. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony 940 deck
Leon theorized, | If I'm not mistaken, the 940 can do up to 320 minutes of stereo recording, | from using ATRAC3 encoding. So Sony may have left mono recording out. I hope not, though. It makes no sense to reduce the bit-rate by 50% to make room to have redundant copies of identical left and right tracks if the material is monaural. I'd rather write 160 minutes of mono at full bit-rate than two copies of it at half the rate, or 320 minutes of mono at half the rate rather than two copies of it at one-fourth the bit-rate. And that's assuming that nobody would have use for 640 minutes of mono on a single disc, but I'm sure there are some good uses for it (overnight security phone line or security desk microphone transcripts, for example). - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Good/Evil and MD Flip Cases
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:30:35 -0400 From: "Peter Forest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MD: Good Thought ! Think you may like this... "Good needs evil if it is to be able to manifest itself. ... Sounds like you've been reading too much Camus. By the way...does anyone know where I can buy MD flip cases like the ones that come with Hi-Space discs? I find these really helpful for information that I just cannot fit on MDs using the titling feature (for instance, with compilations of organ music, I like to identify not only the performer, but the manufacturer and the location of the instrument). I found one place that was selling 2 flip cases for $5.00. Way too much, when I can get two Hi-Space discs in flipcases for that much. Maybe someone who doesn't use cases has some (s)he'd like to sell me. Back to the good and evil thing. MD is good MP3 is bad. But MP3's existence may help keep MD alive and well. There's your connection. James __ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Napster
"Tony Antoniou" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be willing to bet all the money to my name that 99% of the songs on Napster are available at Tower, Virgin, or an online CD store. Wrong bet. There's a lot of stuff out there that just can't be found at ANY CD store, and believe me, I have tried all over the world for some stuff that I've landed! And that stuff fits in the 1% of stuff that you can't get at most stores. The fact remains that in terms of content, the vast, vast, vast majority of stuff available through Napster is easily available commercially. And that fact is completely logical -- *everything* available through Napster is stuff that someone bought at some point, and then allows other people to download. You do get a few files here and there that are out of print, or that are only available overseas, but most files are easily available because that's how they made their way onto Napster. P.S. Just because they are out of print doesn't give you the right to have them... ;-) Now the WHOLE misconception is that Napster is only providing an interface between people who have these files. Napster themselves do not rip CD's, do not store mp3's on their servers, and most certainly do not tell people to infringe copyright laws. They merely provide a simple interface for people to exchange their stuff ... like a network hub, on a major scale. After all, if Napster is at fault for the distribution of mp3's, then why don't we move on and wipe out IRC as well since a lot of pirated software gets exchanged via the DCC feature? It's the same thing, and don't you even dare try to tell me otherwise! You're absolutely correct. The difference is a) It's the RIAA, not the SPA ;-) and b) the volume of content transferred via Napster is enormous. With IRC, you basically get the hardcore warez traffickers. Napster is easily used by anyone. I have newbie friends who can barely use their computer who have used Napster. That, to me, is the *real* issue, as it were. So yes, the bands involved in the lawsuits ARE scum, because they went about it all the wrong way by wanting to shut down Napster. To bar the users from their service was a "reasonable" countermeasure to the unwanted distribution of their music, but not to shut down the service itself. But the *service* is encouraging pirating of music. And logistically, there is absolutely no way at this point in time to only bar certain users, or even to identify who those users are/were, as they can simply sign back on with another ID. Hell, while we're at it, let's shut down the entire telecommunications system for also providing people with an interface to exchange stuff that they shouldn't be. When an obscene phone caller starts to misappropriate the use of the telephone system for his own illegal doings, do you see the police demanding that the telephone exchanges be shutdown and removed? No! So when someone "misappropriates" the use of Napster, it shouldn't be shut down either. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Telecommuncation lines are used for a myriad of things. Napster is used for one thing -- exchange of copyrighted music. The fact that a tiny minority of those exchanges is legal is simply a facade for the company to hide behind. It was designed, and is primarily used, as a way for people to get copies of music they don't own. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster
las [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If napster is bad for the music industry, then how come sales are up since Napster started?? That doesn't mean that Napster is responsible for increased sales at all. The economy is way up since Napster was started. Maybe sales would be up even more if Napster didn't exist? We don't know. My oldest son made a good point when I was talking to him on the phone last night.[snip] he felt that must people don't download to save the money on a CD. They do it to sample. Again, "most" is *very* optimistic. *Some* people use Napster to "sample." But let's get real -- "most" do not. Most people just want a lot of cool songs on their computer, or they want to copy them onto MD or CD or tape. They like a single song, and don't want to buy the whole album. If everyone here asked everyone they know who has used Napster how many songs they have downloaded, and how many of those songs they have: 1) Downloaded and subsequently purchased the CD 2) Downloaded and didn't purchase the CD, but kept the song 3) Downloaded, didn't like at all, so immediately deleted ...your argument is that "most" people would have large numbers of 1 and 3, but no 2. I think reality is that the vast majority of numbers would fall into #2. He feels that no fan is going to download entire CDs. They want the liner notes, graphics etc. "Hardcore" fans, yes. But hardcore fans don't make up the bulk of revenue for bands or record companies. Every band has hardcore fans that will buy everything they release. But it's the non-hardcore fans, those who make up the bulk of record sales, that mean the difference between poor sales and good sales, or good sales and platinum sales. These fans buy the CD because it's the only way to get the album. Make it easy for these fans to get the music otherwise, and many won't buy the CD. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster
"Matthew Wall" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually i can almost guarantee that newsgroups over thier entire lifetime have had more copyrighted material downloaded from them than napster ever has. they were going very very strong when i was in college, and this was in '92, and i know they were around a long long time before i noticed them. so over both thier life span's i seriously doubt that the amount of audio only transfered by napster comes close to news services. I was referring to music, not copyrighted material in general. Just like IRC, the proportion of people using Napster is much greater than the proportion using Newsgroups, especially for music exchange. The media frenzy surrounding Napster over the past year has only increased the use of Napster. The transfer of audio content via newsgroups has never shut down university networks. It has never clogged the data lines at large companies... Napster use has, so badly that many universities and companies banned its use. The amount of music content transferred between users using Napster has simply been phenomenal. Napster has brought peer-to-peer data transfer to the masses, unlike IRC and newsgroups, which are largely used by more savvy computer users. Those users will always figure out a way to transfer content amongst them. The impact Napster has had is that it makes it easy for *anyone* who can click a button to tranfer copyrighted material. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD Flip Cases
| By the way...does anyone know where I can buy MD flip cases like the ones | that come with Hi-Space discs? ... I found one place that was selling 2 | flip cases for $5.00. Way too much, when I can get two Hi-Space discs in | flipcases for that much. Is one-fifth of that price better? Minidisco is selling twenty for $9.95. They're on the same page on their site as blank MDs. They may come without labels, though; they're selling labels at twenty-four for $9.95. Even if you have to buy both and if the two for $5.00 deal includes labels, it's still a big improvement: 120 cases, possibly without labels, at 20 for $9.95 = $59.60 120 labels at 24 for $9.95 = $49.75 --- total$109.35 120 cases, perhaps with labels, at 2 for $5.00 = $300.00 So in proportion, it's just over one-third the price. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Napster R.I.P.?
I just read this interesting article by Rob Walker at MSN.COM news... Napster R.I.P.? By Rob Walker Posted Thursday, July 27, 2000, at 12:05 p.m. PT Wednesday's ruling by a California judge that Napster must shut down its popular music-file-swapping feature has caused a lot of teeth-gnashing. Could this be the end, so soon, of the so-called "peer-to-peer" craze? As a person who buys a fair number of CDs, I'm as attracted as anyone to the idea of technology like Napster's. It's an incredibly clever and impressive creation. I completely understand, and even empathize with, people who are sick of bloated CD prices. And I even get the attraction to the revolutionary, cut-out-the-useless-middleman rhetoric that surrounds the peer-to-peer notion: Even if Napster goes down, the tech revolutionaries promise, successor companies such as Gnutella will ensure that file-swapping, without the annoying "friction" created by the current recording industry apparatus, will continue unabated. Two points are supposed to follow from this. One, repeated almost constantly by an army of self-styled contrarians from the very second that Napster first appeared, is that the recording industry is toast. And two is that there is nothing it can do via the courts to stop a Gnutella-like foe, whose technology works in such a way that there is nothing to shut down. But is either of those points really true? If file-swapping continues, does it follow that the recording industry collapses? I still don't think so. There have been conflicting reports as to whether Napster's popularity caused people to buy more or fewer CDs, but even if it's the latter, the negative effect has been pretty small. And it's worth remembering that videocassettes didn't wipe out the movie business--nor did they cause the price of movie tickets to fall. I'm also not so sure that the record industry wouldn't be able to do anything about Gnutella-type technology. I don't know what the Gnutella creators' plans are, but anyone trying to make money using a Gnutella variation would have to create some of that "friction" that the peer-to-peer revolutionaries complain about. After all, Napster's ultimate goal isn't really to eliminate the middleman, Napster's goal is to be the middleman, and to make a lot of money as a result. (It's never been clear to me how they would do this, and to date Napster has not earned a penny.) If Gnutella or any similar outfit intends to make money, it will have to introduce some friction to the process; and if any firm ends up earning profits by making it easy for other people to circumvent copyright law, it doesn't seem that it would be all hard to go after that firm in the courts. So, it may be right that it is impossible to stop technology that allows people to swap digital files. But what if it also turns out to be prohibitively difficult to profit from that technology, at least without getting the copyright owners on board? In other words, what if the technology lived on, but no one ever made any money off it? That would certainly be revolutionary. And it might even be fine with some of the revolutionaries writing the impressive programs that make it all possible. But I'm not sure how investors betting on peer-to-peer as a business trend would feel about it. -- Pierre Forest- Kheops Minidisc Owner Kheops Minidisc - Your one stop shop for all your minidisc needs ! http://www.kheopsminidisc.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: 80 Minute Month @ Music Mixers
Very Good Price Les !!! I hope everybody will be able to take advantage of this great deal !!! If you need a smaller quantity, we offer the 80mn 5 pack for $12.00 ($2.40 each) with Paypal Direct Payment on our website... But we can't beat this really good price for bigger quantity ! Don't hesitate to trus Les from Music Mixer, he's a great dealer... Quality Guaranteed, fast shipping and great Service... Good Week-End everyone... --- Pierre Forest - Kheops Minidisc Owner Kheops Minidisc - Your One Stop Shop for All Your Minidisc Needs ! http://www.kheopsminidisc.com Hello all The entire month of August has been declared 80 Minute Month , unless stock is gone before then! Twenty = Five 80 Minute Color MDs by HiSpace will be just 59.50 (including USPS = priority shipping for all 50 States) and fifty of the same will be just = 111.00 (also including shipping)! That is only 2.38 (for the 25) or = 2.18 (for 50) per MD delivered. You can go there direct I decided = to start a few days early so all you MD enthusiasts are the first to = know.. We will also have our top quality "cloned" Silver on Silver 80 Minute = CDRs on special. Give us a try, your satisfaction is guaranteed and = your Discover,Visa, MasterCard or paypal is accepted! Have a Great Musical Weekend, Thanks Les Lee - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster R.I.P.?
Napster lives (at least for now). http://www.nyt.com/ Peter Forest wrote: I just read this interesting article by Rob Walker at MSN.COM news... Napster R.I.P.? By Rob Walker Posted Thursday, July 27, 2000, at 12:05 p.m. PT Wednesday's ruling by a California judge that Napster must shut down its popular music-file-swapping feature has caused a lot of teeth-gnashing. Could this be the end, so soon, of the so-called "peer-to-peer" craze? snip-- == James S. Lee| Net: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Communication Studies, CB# 6235 | Phn: 919-962-4963 University of North Carolina - CH | Fax: 919-962-3305 Chapel Hill, NC 27599-6235 | Web: www.unc.edu/~jimlee/ == - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster R.I.P.?
Oop, sent wrong page. Try this one http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/financial/27tsc-napster.html Jim Lee -- == James S. Lee| Net: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Communication Studies, CB# 6235 | Phn: 919-962-4963 University of North Carolina - CH | Fax: 919-962-3305 Chapel Hill, NC 27599-6235 | Web: www.unc.edu/~jimlee/ == - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster stuff again...
I don't mean that i disagree with boycotting, but is it likely that these companies will ever have a change of heart/brain where profits are concerned? Unfortunately you statement reminds me of something I learned a long time ago. We were learning about passive resistance and Ghandi. The teacher sad, now passive resistance would only work against people who had a conscience and morals and would not kill innocent people". "Passive resistance would not work again someone like Hitler. He would have ordered the trains to drive right over the people on the tracks instead of stopping". The comparison to Hitler is too strong. But I know that these people are only motivated by money and who could say the lengths that they would go to. Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster..off topic still!
If you have no way of paying for something then how can it be stealing??? It's not stealing if there is no way to pay for it!! Not true at all. TOTALLY agree... sorry las, but i don't think you can legitimately back up that arguement!. i'm not saying that i don't have mp3's of stuff that is hard to find.. but i wouldn't deny that technically i don't have any write to own the music.. I'd just rather be paying the artist instead of the label. that doesn't justify the artist getting *nothing* though. OK, I take that statement back. I'm entitled to one statemement made in the heat of the monent. But I don't totally take it back. The point that I am trying to make is that a) a person wants something. b) it is made available to them. c)they know that has value and that the persons who created it are entitled to some renumeration for it, but there is nothing in place to make a payment. I guess the best way to put it is that the majority of people who use Napster aren't doing so solley for the purpose of getting totally free music. They would be will to pay a modest fee. Don't forget that these downloads are going to be of varied quality: CD quality since they are compresssed. So I don't think that they are worth paying an excessive amount for. Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster R.I.P.?
FYI GB -Original Message- From: Eric de Fontenay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 29 July 2000 00:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mi2N NEWS FLASH: NAPSTER WINS APPEAL ~ Mi2N~ MUSIC INDUSTRY NEWS NETWORK http://www.mi2n.com SPONSOR of THE INDIE MUSIC FORUM PHILADELPHIA August 13, 2000, The Trocadero, 1003 Arch Street http://www.IndieMusicForum.com ~ NAPSTER WINS ROUND III~~ Napster was granted a stay by the Ninth Circuit Court to the preliminary injunction issued by Federal District Court Judge Marilyn Patel on Wednesday. "Appellant having raised substantial questions of first impression going to both the merits and the form of the injunction, the emergency motions for stay and to expedite the appeal are GRANTED." The order set August 18 as the date by which Napster must submit its opening brief, with the RIAA's consolidated answering brief due on September 8th. Stay Tuned to Mi2N MusicDish for more of this breaking news. ~ REACTION TO NAPSTER INJUNCTION = R.I.A.A. STATEMENT ON NAPSTER RULING; Statement by Cary Sherman, RIAA Senior Executive Vice President and General Counsel http://mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=10714 = MUSIC NEW MEDIA PROFESSIONALS SIDE WITH FEDERAL DISTRICT COURT JUDGE ON NAPSTER; Mi2N/MusicDish survey finds Napster boosts CD sales, but is still illegal http://mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=10716 = ARTISTS AGAINST PIRACY ISSUES STATEMENT IN WAKE OF COURT DECISION TO IMPOSE PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION ON NAPSTER "We believe that a company should not be able to co-opt other peoples' copyrights" http://mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=10688 = MUSICDISH COMMENTS ON NAPSTER PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION RULING; "If the industry is to benefit from the new opportunities afforded by the Internet, they will need to take a hard look within at their own business strategies" http://mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=10754 = NAPSTER INC. FILES APPEAL; Napster Inc. today asked U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit for an emergency stay http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=10727 = NAPSTER, INC. STATEMENT ON COURT RULING; Statement of Hank Barry, CEO if Napster, Inc. http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=10740 = STATEMENT BY HILARY ROSEN ON NAPSTER DECISION; "This decision helps to pave the way for the future of on-line music" http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=10746 = AUSTRALIAN DIGITAL MUSIC PIONEER MP3.COM.AU WELCOMES NAPSTER RULING; ehyou.com comments on Napster ruling http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=10734 = LISTEN.COM ON TEMPORARY NAPSTER INJUNCTION; Statement by Rob Reid, Founder CEO of Listen.com, on the Temporary Napster Injunction http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=10728 = MOONSHINE MUSIC'S PRESIDENT AVAILABLE FOR COMMENTS; Moonshine Music on Napster ruling http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=10721 ~ ~ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Napster R.I.P.?
That's great... Hope this will last... Hopefully the time I set up Napster and figure how it works exactly... Regards... Peter. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Graham Baker Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 10:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MD: Napster R.I.P.? FYI GB -Original Message- From: Eric de Fontenay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 29 July 2000 00:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mi2N NEWS FLASH: NAPSTER WINS APPEAL ~ Mi2N~ MUSIC INDUSTRY NEWS NETWORK http://www.mi2n.com SPONSOR of THE INDIE MUSIC FORUM PHILADELPHIA August 13, 2000, The Trocadero, 1003 Arch Street http://www.IndieMusicForum.com ~ NAPSTER WINS ROUND III~~ Napster was granted a stay by the Ninth Circuit Court to the preliminary injunction issued by Federal District Court Judge Marilyn Patel on Wednesday. "Appellant having raised substantial questions of first impression going to both the merits and the form of the injunction, the emergency motions for stay and to expedite the appeal are GRANTED." The order set August 18 as the date by which Napster must submit its opening brief, with the RIAA's consolidated answering brief due on September 8th. Stay Tuned to Mi2N MusicDish for more of this breaking news. ~ REACTION TO NAPSTER INJUNCTION = R.I.A.A. STATEMENT ON NAPSTER RULING; Statement by Cary Sherman, RIAA Senior Executive Vice President and General Counsel http://mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=10714 = MUSIC NEW MEDIA PROFESSIONALS SIDE WITH FEDERAL DISTRICT COURT JUDGE ON NAPSTER; Mi2N/MusicDish survey finds Napster boosts CD sales, but is still illegal http://mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=10716 = ARTISTS AGAINST PIRACY ISSUES STATEMENT IN WAKE OF COURT DECISION TO IMPOSE PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION ON NAPSTER "We believe that a company should not be able to co-opt other peoples' copyrights" http://mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=10688 = MUSICDISH COMMENTS ON NAPSTER PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION RULING; "If the industry is to benefit from the new opportunities afforded by the Internet, they will need to take a hard look within at their own business strategies" http://mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=10754 = NAPSTER INC. FILES APPEAL; Napster Inc. today asked U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit for an emergency stay http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=10727 = NAPSTER, INC. STATEMENT ON COURT RULING; Statement of Hank Barry, CEO if Napster, Inc. http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=10740 = STATEMENT BY HILARY ROSEN ON NAPSTER DECISION; "This decision helps to pave the way for the future of on-line music" http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=10746 = AUSTRALIAN DIGITAL MUSIC PIONEER MP3.COM.AU WELCOMES NAPSTER RULING; ehyou.com comments on Napster ruling http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=10734 = LISTEN.COM ON TEMPORARY NAPSTER INJUNCTION; Statement by Rob Reid, Founder CEO of Listen.com, on the Temporary Napster Injunction http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=10728 = MOONSHINE MUSIC'S PRESIDENT AVAILABLE FOR COMMENTS; Moonshine Music on Napster ruling http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=10721 ~ ~ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Good/Evil and MD Flip Cases
James Jarvie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way...does anyone know where I can buy MD flip cases like the ones that come with Hi-Space discs? You can get them from http://www.MiniDisco.com/. I think they sell 20 cases for $9.95. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster viewpoint
jgvp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The discernible difference to me personally is that Napster permits me to have a choice to what I want to listen to right there and then, as opposed to having to listen to maybe an hour or two's worth of music ( to say nothing of the excruciating advertising ) in order to garner a pleasureable three minute cut. If I choose to retain those three minutes then that's OK if it's radio but not, according to the RIAA, if it's Napster. I do happen to have a sizeable 45,78,LP,CD,Cassette library nonetheless. Without getting into the morals and legalities (and because I'm trying not to get flamed): Technically, the difference is that the record companies have granted a limited, exclusive license to certain radio stations to broadcast certain songs off of certain albums. You have the right to "time shift" those broadcasts -- that is, record them and listen to them when it is more convenient for you. The record companies often also get some degree of royalties and revenues from radio airplay. The basic purpose for such broadcasting is to get you to buy CDs. Napster, on the other hand, allows you to download any song from any CD without permission, and without paying for it. By using Napster, users are taking control of the broadcast and distribution medium and, in turn, the music itself. I'm not making any judgements here. Just stating matter-of-factly. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster..off topic still!
las [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess the best way to put it is that the majority of people who use Napster aren't doing so solley for the purpose of getting totally free music. They would be will to pay a modest fee. Don't forget that these downloads are going to be of varied quality: CD quality since they are compresssed. So I don't think that they are worth paying an excessive amount for. OK, now I think we're getting closer to some sort of common ground, Larry ;-) I'm willing to give the majority of Napster users the benefit of the doubt, and suspest that they would pay a small amount in order to download MP3s of songs that they want. At that point, assuming the bulk of that money goes to the artists, I'll be a big supporter of the concept because a) the artists will be getting paid; and b) the record companies won't be getting billions. But, that said, remember that the majority of bands that have "made it" did so not because their music has been so much better than other music that fans flocked to them, but because a good portion of record company profits went towards massive advertising, playlist stuffing, promotional efforts, etc. Without that extra money, we'd most likely see a levelling of the playing field on the one hand, but also a lot of good bands will get lost in the quagmire, IMHO. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Napigator : How does it work ?
"Tony Antoniou" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All the answers to your questions are on Napigator's website. And yes, of course it is legal! How so? duck - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: 80 Minute Month @ Music Mixers
=== The original message was multipart MIME=== === All non-text parts (attachments) have been removed === Hello all The entire month of August has been declared 80 Minute Month at = www.musicmixers.com/mall , unless stock is gone before then! Twenty = Five 80 Minute Color MDs by HiSpace will be just 59.50 (including USPS = priority shipping for all 50 States) and fifty of the same will be just = 111.00 (also including shipping)! That is only 2.38 (for the 25) or = 2.18 (for 50) per MD delivered. You can go there direct at http://musicmixers.com/mall/html/music_mixers_-_the_mall.html I decided = to start a few days early so all you MD enthusiasts are the first to = know.. We will also have our top quality "cloned" Silver on Silver 80 Minute = CDRs on special. Give us a try, your satisfaction is guaranteed and = your Discover,Visa, MasterCard or paypal is accepted! Have a Great Musical Weekend, Thanks Les Lee Music Mixers Owner www.musicmixers.com/mall=20 === MIME part removed : text/html; === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
