RE: MD: MD-Data2 as a Zip killer

2000-02-24 Thread Martin Schiff


8 megabits/second is not that slow. Most ethernet networks that have been
around for a while transfer data at 10Mbits/s and that is pretty snappy.
It's definitely faster than most removable storage devices can handle.

-- Martin

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  (b) MD-data was (is?) slow, MD-audio can probably manage ~ 2MBit/s, to
  compete you need at LEAST 8MBit/s.

 Are you sure  that the MD data used on that camera runs at that
 speed? Is perfectly possible...

He's saying megabits NOT megabytes.  Do you realize how slow
something is
 if it's transfer rate is measused in megabits??  Those numbers are not
very
 impressive.

LAS

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RE: MD: Quality earphones

2000-02-21 Thread Martin Schiff


I like the Koss PortaPro for portable use.

-- Martin

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Can anyone recommend any good earphones?  And whilst I'm on the subject, a
good microphone?  Oi will be mostly be listnin' to Metallica, Eels, Enigma
and Fun Lovin Criminals.

Edd


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RE: MD: MD Blanks in Australian

2000-02-20 Thread Martin Schiff


Jeremy,

Even in the states, most places CDRs cost less than minidiscs. For instance,
when both are on sale at Best Buy, you can buy Sony minidiscs for $2.00 each
and CDR blanks (on a spool of 100) for about $1.00 each. I buy CDRs at
CompuUSA for about 70 cents each in spools of 50.

-- Martin

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I've noticed everywhere else that the price of CD-r's are more expensive
than md, but I can get CD-r's here in Oz for about $2.50 Aus a pop, but
still pay $5 Aus for a blank MDgo figure!!

jeremy in brisbane


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RE: MD: MD - PC connection via USB

2000-02-19 Thread Martin Schiff


Why would you want to spend that much money when you can get a soundcard
with digital in and out, and a digital CD connection for $70? Of course,
your CDROM has to have digital out (most don't).

-- Martin

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In the meantime, the Opcode Sonicport is a very easy way to get optical
digital i/o between an MD and a PC hard drive. It's not cheap, I believe
around $200. Also, the Yamaha RP-U100 "Personal Reciever" offers (amoung
other things) optical digital i/o via USB. it runs $500.

However, in both instances, unless your CD-ROM is connected to your Sound
Card via DIGITAL two pin cable, you'd have to copy a WAV file to your hard
drive to obtain a digital dub.

Does anyone have any experience with either of these products?

charles


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RE: MD: SHARP MD 702 available?

2000-02-19 Thread Martin Schiff


Yes, but why not get the 722 which has a few more features but is basically
the same? Minidisco.com has it for $189 after rebate. I've got 2 Sharp 702s,
but if I bought another one it would be the 722.

Globe Mart http://www.globe-mart.com/audvid/minidisc/sharp/index.htm has the
702 and the 722, but if you buy the 722 from Minidisco, it will end up
cheaper than the 702 from Globe Mart at $199.

-- Martin

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Does any know if the NEW Sharp 702 model is still on sale at any local
stores?
How about on the net? Thanks.  _Bob in Chicago

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RE: MD: MT20 vs MS7xx vs MZR35 vs AMF70

2000-02-18 Thread Martin Schiff


It's never happened to me either and I do it all the time with my two 702
recorders.

-- Martin

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From: Francisco Jose Montilla

 Sharp MS-701: I have heard they have TOC errors. Don't
 have time-stamping function either. Another anoyance
 common to Sharp for this kind of duties: adjusting
 level while recording produces blanks...

Wha? Adjusting levels while recording produces blanks? I've never heard of
that...and while I certainly don't do it often, it's never happened to me.

Rick.
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RE: MD: Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:35:28 -0500

2000-02-18 Thread Martin Schiff


At Best Buy, pre-recorded minidiscs are $2 or $3 cheaper than the same CD in
many cases.

-- Martin

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Also, I noticed that CDNow is offering minidiscs.  Not
much selection, though, and the price is almost $2.00
more than the equivalent CD.  Who is going to buy the
MD version and pay almost $2.00 more?  For that price,
you can buy the CD, copy it to a blank MD and have two
copies of the recording.

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RE: MD: MZ-R91

2000-02-16 Thread Martin Schiff


Asking which microphone would be best for instrumental recording is kind of
like asking which car would be best for driving across the country. Almost
all of them will get you there, but some in better style and comfort than
others. Same with microphones. It depends on your budget and just how high
quality your recordings need to be. You can buy microphones that would
record music from about $10 to $10,000 and just about every level in
between.

What is your budget? Do you need portable microphones (i.e. stealth) or will
you be using a mike stand? Will you record individual instruments or a
group?

-- Martin

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2)Which microphone(s) would be best with the MZ-R91? (especially for
INSTRUMENTAL recording)


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RE: MD: Problem with snake invasion....

2000-02-12 Thread Martin Schiff


Could it be that the mike is not getting enough power? When my battery gets
low in my battery box with my AT853 mikes, there is a lot of hiss. When I
replace the battery, they are very quiet. Is the mike plugged into the mike
input of your R55, or is it coming from a mixer? Other than that, you may
need a different mike.

-- Martin

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Hi all, thought that subject line would get your attention! :o)

I'm recording a musical performance in a large church over the next few
weeks and I'm coming up against a few problems. First of all, let me run
through the equipment. We have a Tascam DA-P1 DAT unit, which I love -
wonderful machine. As a backup recorder I have my R55. Mics are a problem -
we have one Sony PSM-437 mic which gives a reasonable sound, except for one
quite loud problem. hiss. I wondered if anyone had any techniques that
may help me to reduce the hiss from this mic.

The performers consist of:
a choir - 24 people
a bass guitar (which I'm also playing - tricky eh?)
a lead guitar (which I play when I'm not playing bass)
an electronic mandolin on some songs but not all
a cello
a 12 string semi-acoustic guitar
2 flutes (on some numbers only)
1 rather loud but very cool church pipe organ which fills most of the
back of the church

Any tips much appreciated. I can get the overall balance right (I need to
boost the bass frequencies post-production but that's about all) but I am
having trouble with the hiss. If I take the treble down I lose the hiss, but
also muffle the sound a bit

Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Magic
--
"Creativity is more a birthright than an acquisition, and the power of sound
is wisdom and understanding applied to the power of vibration."

Location : Portsmouth, England, UK
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RE: MD: labels

2000-02-10 Thread Martin Schiff


Just get a pair of reading glasses to wear when you need them. You can still
wear your contacts.

I know what you mean. I practice martial arts, and the glasses do sometimes
get in the way. However, I can't see without them, and my astigmatism is not
corrected very well with contacts.

-- Martin

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RE: MD: labels

2000-02-09 Thread Martin Schiff


Read my lips. BIFOCALS.

I can read and write the edge labels easily, but not without my glasses
[grin].

-- Martin

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I'M curious: (read my emails and you know it) do many people actually use
the labels (other than the narrow, edge ones) ? I can't write (or read) that
small.

simon

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RE: MD: first impressions of MZR90

2000-02-09 Thread Martin Schiff


I don't know about that. The last time I went to the dentist, I brought my
702 and was listening to tunes while getting my teeth cleaned, and the
dental hygienist (female) was very interested. She said that she was going
to go out and buy one. She seemed very friendly also [grin].

-- Martin

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Since you say gender(s) Simon, I have found that minidiscs along with most
geeky hi-tech stuff tends to be a male orientated thing.  I have a few lady
friends
who are gadget freaks but it is generally male.  I think your male friends
to whom
you are attracted are more likely to share your gadget/minidisc love.

Cheers,
PrinceGaz -- "if it harms none, do what you will"

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MD: SCMS information

2000-02-07 Thread Martin Schiff


This message from one of the SYSOPS on the CompuServe midiforum is one of
the better explanations of SCMS implementation that I have read. It also
offers an explanation as to why the SCMS on the Hoontech board may be
implemented incorrectly, and why I can copy pre-recorded MD's, but not my
originals.
-- Martin

: 593859 S15/Sound Cards  (CIS:MIDIFORUM)
06-Feb-00  21:32:11
Sb: Digital discrepancy
Fm: Dave Tosti-Lane -Sysop 70334,3165
To: Martin Schiff [CONSULT] 76702,1355
Replies: 0TID: 7735  Par: 593828Chd: 0 Sib: 0

 I am told by people who seem to know a lot about SCMS that I should be
able to make a first generation copy (from the original) of a minidisc that
was recorded from an analog source. 

The operative word is "should".  There are several bits in the channel block
data stream that determine SCMS behavior, or at least, that have some
effect.  One defines the format as either pro or consumer, that is only read
by "pro" equipment, that is, equipment designed to read either AES3 or
S/PDIF input.  If it reads "pro" then the system actually knows to read the
copy protection bit as something else (part of the Emphasis setting).  The
Consumer/Pro bit is bit "0" of byte "0", the copyright status bit is bit "2"
of Byte "0", and finally, the _generation_ bit is bit "7" of Byte "1".

The scheme is designed so that you can make a Digital copy of copywrighted
material, but you cannot make a copy of a copy.  SCMS first looks at the
Pro/Consumer bit, and if it sees a "1", (for Pro format) it does not operate
at all. (my suspicion is that some consumer gear may not make this check,
simply assuming material is always consumer)

Next, if the material is identified as consumer (Byte zero, bit zero set to
"0"), which it _always_ will be for anything recorded on a consumer level MD
(even a recording made from the analog inputs), then it looks at byte zero
bit 2.  If it sees a "0" here, then copyright is enabled, if it sees a "1",
copyright is not enabled, and it stops looking.  Again, I strongly suspect
that consumer MD recorders by default set this bit to "0" on _all_
recordings, regardless of their origin.

If the copy bit is set to "0", then the last check is to see whether this is
a first generation or second generation copy.  Here is where mistakes are
easily made in setting up receiving systems, because there are two different
schemes to determine the meaning of this bit, and they are exactly the
reverse of each other.  For most media, the generation bit (called the "L"
bit) is read as "original" if the bit is a "1" and as a "copy" if the bit is
a "0".  BUT, believe it or not, for laser optical products, the reverse is
true, a "0" indicates "original" and a "1" indicates "copy".  (For CDs it's
even crazier, and the "L" bit isn't used at all, with the "C" bit being "0"
for "no copyrite", solid "1" for "original with Copyrite" and alternating
back and forth from 1 to 0 at a 4-10Hz rate to indicate "copy of original"
!!)

Byte 1 bits 0-6 are supposed to indicate the type of equipment that is
connected, so that the system can interpret the L bit correctly.

So, what I suspect is happening, is that the card is failing to distinguish
the type of equipment, looking at the L bit,  reading a "0" which your MD
encoded since this is an "original" recording, but interpreting it to say
that the MD is already a copy, and not letting you make a digital copy.

Which is scant comfort of course. g

The amusing part is, if this is what's happening, then the reason you are
able to make a copy from the pre-recorded MD is precisely because the record
company tried to set it so you couldn't.

Dave Tosti-Lane

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RE: MD: SBLive

2000-02-07 Thread Martin Schiff


Yes, check out http://www.hoontech.com and look for their SB Live bracket.
If it's not a SoundBlaster Live, then you are out of luck, I think.

-- Martin

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Can you get a toslink upgrade on a SoundBlaster?

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RE: MD: How to mark tracks when recording digitally from a soundcard?

2000-02-05 Thread Martin Schiff


A two second pause (I use the Unreal player which inserts it automatically)
works fine with my Sharp MD-R2 deck and a digital connection.

-- Martin

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Subject: Re: MD: How to mark tracks when recording digitally from a
soundcard?



 Right, S/PDIF carries track number information along with the digital
 audio. When an MD deck senses a change in track number, it marks a new
 track. I don't know of any way of making track marks when digitally
 recording from a PC, but I'm forwarding your note to the MD mailing
 list in the hope that someone there can help.

Your best bet is to rely on the autotrackmark function of your deck. You do
not mention what you are recording. If you are playing MP3s, you can use
the Soritong MP3 player (http://www.sorinara.com/) or the Winamp pause
plugin (http://students.washington.edu/llin/toslink.html, scroll to the
bottom). A pause of 2-3 seconds will make most portable units start a new
track. Not sure about decks, though
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RE: MD: Unlimited SCMS from SBLive!?

2000-02-05 Thread Martin Schiff


Then the only thing I can figure is that Yamaha has implemented SCMS
backwards. I was able to copy a pre-recorded MD with no problem, but not my
original material.

-- Martin

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Martin Schiff wrote:

 Larry,

 I believe you are correct, because this problem just bit me in the butt. I
 made original recordings to MD with microphones, and when I try to
transfer
 them to the computer using a Hoontech soundcard with Yamaha drivers (which
 implement SCMS) it will not copy.

If you made a recording to MD with microphones, it is an analog recording,
and
it will allow a digital copy to be made from it.  However, if you make a
digital
copy of the MD to another MD, the SCMS bits will be set to not allow another
digital copy to be made.



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RE: MD: Unlimited SCMS from SBLive!?

2000-02-04 Thread Martin Schiff


Larry,

I believe you are correct, because this problem just bit me in the butt. I
made original recordings to MD with microphones, and when I try to transfer
them to the computer using a Hoontech soundcard with Yamaha drivers (which
implement SCMS) it will not copy. Interestingly enough, if I try to copy a
commercial MD I bought, it works fine, so it apparently is not marked as
SCMS final. The original driver for the Hoontech card did not have SCMS, but
I was having problems and updated it. The new driver will not copy original
analog material that I recorded. Guess I have to go back to the old drivers
and live with the (minor) problem.

Bummer.

-- Martin

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"J. Coon" wrote:

 LAS wrote:

  Hi.  If I remember correctly it is the MD recorder that adds the SCMS.
If
  that is correct, then either you have a one of a kind recorder or the
copy is
  not true digital.

 It is my understanding that  computers aren't required to set the SCMS
bits.
 They aren't cover under the law.


Hi Jim.  You probably don't remember me I've been off the list for some
time.

Yes it is true that the computer does not set SCMS.  But I'm still pretty
sure that
it is the recorder and not the source that encodes the signal.  So in the
case of a
CD writer, there will be no problem with SCMS.  But the consumer MD
recorders are
all designed to add SCMS.  So it should be impossible to make a digital copy
of a
digital copy of an MD.

Think about it.  If the source encoded the SCMS, you would not be able to
make a
digital copy in the first place.  But you can make one original.  That's
because
the SCMS is added as the first MD is being "burned".

Bye,
Larry

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RE: MD: Help my CD-RW drive thinks all CDs are audio discs

2000-01-31 Thread Martin Schiff


Try going into the program that comes up when you insert the CD, and turn
off auto play when CD is inserted. Then insert the CD and see if you can
read it with Windows Explorer.

-- Martin

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Subject: MD: Help my CD-RW drive thinks all CDs are audio discs



Hi guys, if any of you can help me I'd be eternally grateful!

My CD-RW drive has decided every CD I insert is an audio CD.  This is fine
if it is an audio CD, file manager lists eg. "track01.cda" to "track12.cda"
for
a 12 music track cd and it plays fine.  But when I insert a data cd, whether
its an original silver disc, a cd-r I burnt or a cd-r from someone else it
says
it has "track01.cda" and nothing else.  It can't play it cos no audio tracks
are
actually on the disc.

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RE: MD: Mics

2000-01-29 Thread Martin Schiff


Yes, the mike uses the box power, and since it is more voltage than is
available from the recorder, you get a better signal from the mike and can
use the line in.

-- Martin

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Subject: Re: MD: Mics



Sure, the mike doesn't care.  Just make a battery box, plug them mike into
a
jack on one end, put a cord and plug on the other end and plug it into the
line input.  The mike doesn't care where the power comes from.  This way
youcan use it with or with out the battery  box and use the plug in power.

Hang on.  So if you use the battery-box with the mic. for outdoor
recordings, does this mean that the mic. uses the box's power instead of the
MD's power?

Edd - who's probably feeling a little bit dense at present


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RE: MD: Need to find MD unit that allows overwrite recording

2000-01-29 Thread Martin Schiff


You would be a lot better off recording the two parts separately,
transferring them digitally to a computer and combining them there with a
good multi track audio editor. I use Cakewalk Pro Audio, but there are other
less expensive options (I think Cool Edit Pro is multi track and so is
n-Track studio http://fasoft.com/ which is shareware and very inexpensive).
That way you can edit the sounds and mix them properly. Then just output
them to stereo and record that on a new minidisc.

-- Martin

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I hope you can help me.  What I am looking for is a sony walkman
recordable minidisc that can blend tracks together.  i.e. I want to
record one song over another (also film dialogue) without losing the
background sound.  Is there such a model that can do this?  I am
going to singapore in a week and want to get one there so a quick
response would be very appreciated.


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RE: MD: Help required / souncard issue

2000-01-27 Thread Martin Schiff


Thibault,

Your thoughts are correct. Transferring data from a minidisc deck with
optical out to a soundcard with optical in is as good as any other way, and
better than some. Someone on this list just advertised a Sharp MD-R2 for
$120 which is a great deal and it has optical in and out. Then just get a
sound card with optical in (I use a Hoontech Yamaha XG card with a DBI
digital bracket) and a cable and you are in business. I use that for my
recordings I make in the field, and it works great. Any good sound card with
digital capabilities would work, but the Hoontech is one of the least
expensive. To get to the next level where you have 44.1Khz capabilities (the
Hoontech is 48Khz as are most consumer sound cards) you would have to spend
hundreds of dollars (US) more.

-- Martin

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Subject: MD: Help required / souncard issue

How  having best transfer quality for transfering street and countryside
recordings from MD to PC ?...  Does any combination (deck MD with optical
OUT + soundcard with optical IN + optical cable) fit, or are there some
combinations providing better transfer quality ? If there are some
differences, could sby advise me what to buy ?

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RE: MD: Linux S/PDIF soundcard

2000-01-26 Thread Martin Schiff


The Hoontech Yamaha XG with the DB1 bracket has optical and coax in and out,
and the cost for both is less than $70.

-- Martin

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 There is a rumour that the Hoontech SoundTrack Digital 4DWave NX
 (http://www.hoontech.com/product/soundcard/STdigitalNX.htm) supports it.
See
 also http://www.alsa-project.org/~goemon/

 I am not shure if the input modul works. I have read reports, that the
 output works fine. I hope I get more info in the next days from the
german
 distributor.

 I have the card and the output works fine, I use it to record MP3s
 to MD. However, the 4DWave NX doesn't do bidirectional SPDIF, which
 the original poster wanted.

If you go to http://www.hoontech.com/product/soundcard/STdigitalNX.htm you
will find:

NX DB II  2 ports(I2S) in/out.
DAC boxes, Digital AMP, DI 2000, ST D.B III and ST Digital Audio can be
connected.

ST DB III  S/PDIF IN/OUT (Coaxial,AES/EBU,Optical)  NX DB II  $79 US

At http://www.ridimultimedia.de/produkte/nx/index.html I could not find
these modules.

 According to Claus from RIDI Multimedia
 it is possible, but very (read: multiple times the card price)
 expensive to add a digital-in to the card.

Ok, compared to the card, 79$ are a lot, but it is cheaper than the Midiman
Dio 2448 and I think the DIO 2448 is not supported by Linux. Do you know
another card with digital in/out cheaper than the 4DWave NX including the ST
DBIII module?

 What are the alternatives ? Now that Creative has released specs for
 the Live! series, ALSA support is there I think. But do both the
 digital ports work ?

I have read that the Soundblaster cannot copy bit by bit.

Bert

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RE: MD: opinion wanted

2000-01-26 Thread Martin Schiff


I don't know about a portable one that will do that, but the Sharp MD-R2
($159 at minidisco.com) has that capability with its remote control.

-- Martin

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I would like to know if anyone "out there" can give an opinion on whether an
MD recorder/player (preferably a portable one) is available ("for sale")
that
will allow the user to "punch in" or "input" a track number (or song number)
and play that track number without having to scroll through other tracks.  I
have an MZ-R30 that functions fairly well, but it requires me to "scroll" in
order to play a desired track.

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RE: MD: Linux S/PDIF soundcard

2000-01-26 Thread Martin Schiff


What the heck does "bit by bit copy" mean?

-- Martin

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 The Hoontech Yamaha XG with the DB1 bracket has optical and coax in and
out,
 and the cost for both is less than $70.

But it does not support bit by bit-copy.

Bert
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RE: MD: Linux S/PDIF soundcard

2000-01-26 Thread Martin Schiff


Ok, I did some research and understand what bit by bit copy means, but how
does it apply to MD? The only way to do a bit by bit copy of anything is to
have software that allows you to do it. That means you would have to be
using some sort of data drive to copy a disc image of a MD. When you play
digital music from a computer wav file or mp3 and record it on a minidisc
through a Toslink or coax connection, you are getting a bit by bit copy of
the music, no matter what digital card you use. That's the definition of
digital storage. It's just 1's or 0's. If there were missing bits, there
would be obvious dropouts or digital noise. Even if there is a problem with
the source data, it is possible through error correction to reconstruct the
bits as they should have been, so you can get a correct digital copy anyway.
I really can't see why anything else would be important.  Please enlighten
me.

-- Martin

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What the heck does "bit by bit copy" mean?

-- Martin

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 The Hoontech Yamaha XG with the DB1 bracket has optical and coax in and
out,
 and the cost for both is less than $70.

But it does not support bit by bit-copy.

Bert
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RE: MD: Linux S/PDIF soundcard

2000-01-26 Thread Martin Schiff


Bert,

OK, now I see what you mean. Thank you for clarifying that for me and for
reinforcing my thoughts that it has no effect for a minidisc copy. I now
understand your concerns.

-- Martin

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 What the heck does "bit by bit copy" mean?

Check de.comp.audio for details.

With MD bit to bit copy is not possible, when you are recording, since MD
compresses music, but if you use your MD-recorder as A/D-converter, it could
be important.

Let's assume the following:

You have a song on a DAT-Tape (DAT does not compress) and you copy the song
to the PC as a wave-file, copy it back to DAT and then back to the PC as a
wave-file again, but with another name. If you compare both wave-files the
files should be identical bit-by-bit. With most cheap-soundcards this is not
possible.

The reason for the problem is that 44.1kHz signals have to be converted to
48kHz and back to 44.1kHz with "normal" soundcards, because soundcards works
with 48kHz internally. (I hope this is exact enough, what I wrote)

The question is, if you hear the difference.

Bert

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RE: MD: Mics

2000-01-26 Thread Martin Schiff


Jason,

I have recorded loud indoor and outdoor concerts with the SP AT853 mikes (I
was right in front of a speaker tower at an outdoor concert) and only had
problems with clipping when I set the record volume too high on my Sharp 702
the first time I recorded with it (outside). Once I learned to leave some
headroom for very high levels, I have not had any clipping since. I use the
SP premium battery box plugged into the line input of my 702. I have been
very happy with the quality of the mikes.

-- Martin

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Yowdy,

The other night i recorded my first live gig on my MD. The sound guy
wouldn't let me plug into the desk, even though the band requested it.
Luckily i took along my mic. It was given to me as a gift by minidiscweb,
due to the fact that i' requested a blue unit but they only had white. The
mic ain't that great; it's a Aiwa Stereo condenser microphone CM-TS22
(marked as a business/live recording microphone).
Anyway the recording is pretty good but quite distorted. It was a pretty
loud PA, in a smallish bar. It doesn't sound to me like digital distortion
(i had my R91 on auto rec. level setting), so i'm guessing it would be the
mic that was clipping. On playback however, the signal sits pretty well on
full (i'm guessing the wave form has pretty straight edges due to the
clipping?).

I was going to buy a Soundprofessional AT 853 mic soon. I've heard this is a
great sounding mic, but would this also be the solution to the clipping
problem? Also, is this one of the best for recording loud indoor (and
outdoor) gigs?

Cheers,
Jason

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RE: MD: Mics

2000-01-26 Thread Martin Schiff


Beware of trying to estimate what the volume will be like at a live event by
using your stereo. I tried that when I got my Sound Professionals AT853
mikes, and it was not even close to the volume at the concert. Even though
it hurt my ears in my office where I tried it, it didn't come within 20db of
being as loud as the concert. And at the concert, it did not hurt my ears.

-- Martin

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When you record loud gigs, you should put the Sony in manual record level
instead of auto level.  When you see the signal level at the top, it will
clip no matter what mike you are using.  Put it in manual and set it lower,
it probably isn't the mike that is doing the clipping, but the recorder.
Try it at home and record your stereo with it at or near full volume.
Quick, like a bunny, record some in auto
and then switch to manual and drop the recording level.  by now, your
neighbors have probably called the cops, so turn the stereo back down and
listen to the results.  I think you will find it is the level setting that
is doing it.

"Lynch, Jason JD" wrote:

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RE: MD: MD - PC integration

2000-01-25 Thread Martin Schiff


I think you are making this way too hard. I have a Hoontech Yamaha XG
soundcard with the digital bracket, and it is permanently connected (well,
the cables are always plugged in [grin]) to my Sharp MD-R2 deck. I use
Unreal Player Max to play whatever computer content I want to record on MD,
and just listen to the music while I record, or go do something else if I
don't feel like sitting there. That allows me to record MP3 files, WAV
files, WMA files, MIDI files and anything else that produces a sound on my
PC. I would use it for CDs as well, but since I have those in a Sony 300CD
carousel, it's easier just to switch the Toslink cable to one from my Sony
and record CDs. With the sync record setting on the MD-R2, the track marks
get created properly (Unreal player will automatically insert a delay of
your choosing between songs), and the Toslink connection from the CD
carousel also inserts track marks properly.

I will grant you that this does not address the problem of titling, but
generally I only put the title and artist, so that doesn't take very long on
my MD-R2.

It does, however, give me great audio quality which is what is important to
me.

-- Martin

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 MD is very much a stand alone audio solution,

Unfortunately, I'm find that to be far too true, even with the MDS-PC2,
which is supposed to be "computer friendly".  Don't get me wrong, I love the
fact that my JE520 operates totally on its own, with no computer anywhere in
sight.  But I bought the MDS-PC2 specifically to use with the computer.
While Sony seems to have done a fairly good job on the titling and labeling,
the program leave something to be desired in other areas.  While they have a
function for recording tracks from a CD, they need to generalize it to that
you can record tracks from WAV files as well.  And they shouldn't assume
that you're going to use *analog* for the transfer; isn't the whole idea of
minidisc that one can make *digital* transfers?

With the current state of affairs, I think it would be simpler just to use a
CD writer to burn a CDR, then copy it to a minidisc.  Even though burning a
CD is not for the faint of heart, trying to go from the PC directly to the
MD seems to be even harder.  Sad but true!

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RE: MD: MD Wins (was Re: Will MD Survive?).

2000-01-25 Thread Martin Schiff


I can connect through my cable modem at almost any time of the day or night
to MP3.COM and get a 128K 44khz streaming playback in about 2 seconds
without any stuttering or interruptions. It's not generally the server, it's
your connection to the internet, or the routing between you and the server.
It also has a great deal to do with the software you use to play the stream.
I was never able to get a stable stream with Winamp, but Sonique works
great. It could also be that you are doing other things on the computer
while playing the audio. That will almost always cause stuttering or pauses.

-- Martin


On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Magic wrote:

 phones, I have yet to actually see a server on the internet that will
output
 an MP3 stream at a decent bitrate sustained long enough to play without
 stuttering.

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RE: MD: Will MD Survive?

2000-01-24 Thread Martin Schiff


I agree completely. I think that market could be completely replaced by MD
over time.

-- Martin

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 Tape cassettes are virtually dead any more.  Most of my younger friends
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and I know a number of folks who keep many tapes to listen to in the
car.  Also, If you go to any major music store (Tower Records, Record Town,
etc.) you *will* find huge selections of cassettes.  If the market isn't
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RE: MD: Will MD Survive?

2000-01-23 Thread Martin Schiff


I disagree that MP3 is direct competition for minidisc. I think that MP3 is
competition for portable CDs. Minidisc is competition for tape cassettes.
The marketing of minidiscs needs to stress that these are a recording medium
and that with portables you can record anything that you might previously
have recorded on tape, but with much higher quality.

-- Martin

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But this guy's right.  While MP sound quality is inferior, it is obvious
that there is a great interest in this type of technology - and that sound
quality is obviously not a real limiting factor for the mass consumer
audience.

MD needs to reposition itself as "the hard drive for your MP3s."  This type
of positioning will keep it relevant as a storage medium -- and position it
as COMPLIMENTARY technology to MP3, not competing.  I mean, who cares about
ATRAC vs. MP3?  This should not be a competition.  Also, the added
advantage, then, is that portable MDs can RECORD, while portable MP3 units
currently cannot.

I think SONY should be a bit stronger in marketing the MD with all the MP3
hype growing so rapidly.

Jon Deutsch

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RE: MD: Which MD has the best analog/digital conversion for 300$

2000-01-21 Thread Martin Schiff


Bert,

What do you mean by "bit by bit conversion". I make digital copies in both
directions from minidisc to a Hoontech Yamaha XG with the DBI digital
connector, and it works perfectly. In addition, it doesn't use SCMS (with
the version of the driver that comes on the CD, but not with the newer
driver) so you can copy anything. This is important to me since I am a
composer and the compositions I make are digitally recorded.

-- Martin

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Attention: no bit by bit conversion!


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RE: MD: Which MD has the best analog/digital conversion for 300$

2000-01-21 Thread Martin Schiff


Robert,

Great minds think alike! [grin]

I bought the Sound Professionals Premium Cardoids (the AT853), and am VERY
happy with them and even more happy with the great support I get from Chris
at Sound Professionals. I also bought the battery box with switchable low
pass filters, but I don't use the filters at all.  Since I digitally
transfer the sound files to my PC for mastering, I can roll off the bass
there if I need to. However, I have never needed to, even in situations
where the bass is very boomy sounding at the venue. I use the mikes with a
Sharp 702. I use the Hoontech Yamaha XG card to do my digital transfers to
and from a Sharp MD-R2 deck which I am also happy with. I don't think you
would gain anything, even if you are going to edit the audio in your
computer, by buying a more expensive sound card. Digital is digital, so when
you transfer it, there will be no difference once it is in your computer
whether you use one sound card or another as long as it has a Toslink
connection.

BTW, you want to get the best recording possible, whether or not you plan to
edit it in your computer. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear,
though you can do some pretty amazing things with the right tools.

-- Martin

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I am thinking of something similar.

So far -

 Sound Professionals standard cardiods (value-for-money)
or
 Sound Professionals premium cardiods (performance)

 Sound Professionals battery unit with switchable low pass filters

 Sony MD520 (bought last year)

 Hoontech SoundTrack Yamaha XG with XG DBI (digital interface)
(value-for-money)
or
 Hoontech SoundTrack 4ch (performance)

I'll probable go for premium cardiods, but the cheaper sound card, to get
the best recording onto MD, leaving the computer processing until I have a
faster computer.

Any experiences of any of the above?

Rob Felton






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RE: MD: my new MD player - R50 questions . . .

2000-01-19 Thread Martin Schiff


It's not background noise, it's being sent to the output of your sound card.
All sounds go to the line out and digital out of your sound card as well as
to the speaker output. You have to be sure not to do other things while
recording music. Be sure and quit your email program too so it doesn't make
a sound when mail comes in.

You need to program the MP3's you want to record on a minidis so they are
all done at once. If you use Unreal Player Max (http://www.303tek.com/) it
will automatically insert silence (length of your choosing) between tracks
so your recorder will put a track mark there. That way there will be no
mouse clicks, etc.

-- Martin

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when making analog recordings - it seems that background noise is picked
up - even though I'm not using a mic. or the mic input.  Is this normal?
ex. I can hear the mouse clicks when I play mp3s to record to MD.



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RE: MD: quality of optical cables

2000-01-17 Thread Martin Schiff


Ralph,

It may bounce a lot, but Toslink works just fine with very long cables. I
have a 10 meter cable that I use to connect my CD carousel in another room
to my MD deck, and it works great. Not a single problem.

-- Martin

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Compared to TosLink, TosLink supports bit rates up to 6 Mbit/second. This
signal is modulated using light. Using a red LED with a wavelength of
650nm, the signal while 'bounce' about one and a half milion times in a 1
meter cable before ariving at the end.

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RE: MD: quality of optical cables

2000-01-17 Thread Martin Schiff


Sound Professionals has 5 meter Toslink cables for $22.99 each and 10 meter
for $32.99.

-- Martin

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I have found optical cable at much lower prices than you stated.  I have two
5m runs that I bought for $52.25 including terminations, shipping, and a
credit card surcharge.

CJ

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RE: MD: Hi-Space Disc Problems?

2000-01-14 Thread Martin Schiff


I have used about 20 Hi-space discs with no problems so far.

-- Martin

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I've been using a lot of Hi-Space discs that I bought in quantity. I've not
had any real problems, so far, although I've occasionally noticed that my MD
recorder sometimes makes a very soft clicking or whining noise when I'm
recording with them; it doesn't seem to do that with other brands.  Within
the last couple of days, I've heard from two different people that they have
had problems with Hi-Space(unit won't read TOC, disc needs to be reinserted
multiple times into unit before it will read TOC).  Is this a coincidence or
are other MD users familiar with problems using Hi-Space?

Thanks.

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RE: MD: Gapless CD Audio Track Playback

2000-01-11 Thread Martin Schiff


Jerry,

What software are you using to burn the CDs? I use Easy CD Creator, and it
has a setting as to how much time you want between the tracks from 0 seconds
up. When I burn a CD from minidisc concert recordings, there is no gap at
all and I don't do anything with sample sizes.

-- Martin

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Sort of an off topic question.  I have been archiving concerts to
MD for 2 years.  I have been trying to put these live concerts on
CD and have experienced the following problem.

When I transfer the track to the computer HD, then burn the CD, when
you play the audio CD back, there is always a 2 or 3 second
'countdown' before the actual track starts playing.  This creates a
problem when trying to divide a song into multiple tracks.

I seem to recall that someone a month or so ago mentioned that the
problem was due to the number of samples that are in the track.  If
the track had an even multiple of some sample size, then there would
be no 'countdown' when the CD audio is played.

Am I remembering this correctly?  If so, what is the magic sample
number that I need in order to get smooth 'gapless' CD audio tracks.

Thanks for any help you can provide,

Jerry


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RE: MD: MiniDisc Weekly News for 9 January 2000

2000-01-10 Thread Martin Schiff


Here's an amendment to your MP3 Track Mark trick. Get the (free) program
Unreal Player Max from http://www.303tek.com/. It will automatically insert
a delay of any number of seconds you choose between songs. I've found that 2
seconds works fine for my Sharp MD-R2 in sync mode to get it to insert a
track mark. I just connect it via Toslink to my pc and create a playlist in
the Unreal player, and play them.

-- Martin

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RE: MD: Comments wanted: Signal path integrity

2000-01-10 Thread Martin Schiff


Since your vinyls are analog recordings, there is a conversion from analog
to digital taking place in your receiver, but from that point on, there are
no more conversions until you play the CD you burned.

-- Martin

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I'm curious if the signal is undergoing conversion to/from analogue at any
point. I know that it doesn't in the receiver, but I wonder about the mixer
in the soundcard. One promising sign is that as long as the record level is
at 100% in the mixer, the record level indicator readings in CoolEdit are
identical to those on the minidisc deck. I know that the SB Live isn't the
best card in the world for this kind of thing, but I've got to work with
what I've got at this point.

Any comments or thoughts are welcome.

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RE: MD: Ripping CD's to MP3 ?

2000-01-07 Thread Martin Schiff


Just play the CD and record the output with a program like Sound Forge or
another recorder program.

-- Martin

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I know that this isn't probably the best place to ask this but hey you all
do it ;)

Anyone know if it's possible to extract a multitrack CD into one MP3 ? For
example you have a "live" CD that all blends into one, but has track
markers. I've tried using some CDtoMP3 programs but they seem to insist on
seperating the tracks.

TIA

Andy

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RE: MD: copying to CD burner

2000-01-06 Thread Martin Schiff


You need some kind of sound recorder program on the PC and a connection to
your sound card. My recommendation is to use a digital connection as the
quality is better than most sound cards analog stage, plus you avoid the d/a
+ a/d conversions. I tried an analog connection from my Sharp 702 to a
Soundblaster Live and the results, while pretty good, did not compare to the
same disc transferred using a digital connection. This only works, of
course, if your recorder supports digital out (no current model portables do
that I know of), or you have a deck with digital out. I use Sound Forge 4.5
to record the information from my minidiscs to a wav file on the pc. Then
you can copy that wav file to a CD using a CD burner program (I use Adaptec
Easy CD Creator).

-- Martin



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I have a recording on MD that I wish to copy to PC, to
be burnt onto a CD. Does anyone have any advice on
connections to my sound card (probably not digital),
file formats to record in, CD copying issues, quality
of this kind of recording, etc.?

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RE: MD: mz-r30 vs. sharp 702 ( long post)

2000-01-01 Thread Martin Schiff


I disagree. The line input with a battery box is much quieter than the mic
input. My experience with the same mikes and recorder are better with the
line in.

I just recorded a rock group outside at a New Years party last night, and I
used the line in and the battery box. My levels were set at 26 and it sounds
great. That left me enough headroom to compress it a bit to bring out the
parts that were low in the mix. If I wasn't going to master it, I probably
could have set it at 27 and come close to 0db.

-- Martin

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Behalf Of Stainless Steel Rat
Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 5:23 PM
To: MD-L
Subject: Re: MD: mz-r30 vs. sharp 702 ( long post)



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| battery box and sound pro mics, the same set up i've always used with the
| sony.

That is likely the problem.  The impedance on the line and mic inputs is
very different on the 702; they cannot be used interchangeably, even with a
battery box.  Try using the mic input.  And don't use the battery box; the
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RE: MD: MDCP animated banners?

1999-12-22 Thread Martin Schiff


Rick,

I agree with you. The page is very functional and useful as it is. Animated
gifs would definitely distract from that.

-- Martin

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Behalf Of Eric Woudenberg
Several suppliers have wished to provide animated banners for the
MDCP.

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RE: MD: The French Horn Glitch - Urban legend

1999-12-20 Thread Martin Schiff


If you have to go to that much trouble to reproduce this problem, then the
chances that it will occur randomly during a recording seem pretty slim. No?

-- Martin

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Eric Woudenberg
Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 2:58 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: re: MD: The French Horn Glitch - Urban legend



"Martin Schiff" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 As I suspected, this story seems to be an urban legend (at least based on
my
 tests). I used your file LoHorn.wav and recorded it digitally on my Sharp
 MD-R2, then digitally on my Sharp 702, and finally analog through the line
 in on my Sharp 702. There was absolutely no distortion whatsoever in the
 recording. All the wave forms are perfectly normal and the copies sound
just
 like the original (hiss and all). I would be happy to provide the wav file
 to anyone that would like a copy of it. I suspect that the person who
 originally experienced this problem had a bad cable or some other
 mechanical/electronic problem.

To perform this test properly you've got to make a loop out of the
signal you're recording. The number of samples in the loop should be:

(number of samples) module 512 == 511 (or 1)

Then repeat the loop 512 times (or more). ATRAC's window size is 512
samples (11.6ms) and this 1 sample shift will cause ATRAC to window
the signal with every possible alignment boundary.

Rick

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RE: MD: Newbie question re: Record times, Battery life

1999-12-17 Thread Martin Schiff


The Sharp 702 has an optional external battery pack that holds AA batteries
and extends the life of the LION battery that is in the unit and
rechargeable. The 702 is also very inexpensive as you can buy a new one for
around $160 and refurbished ones for less.  I have two of them and am very
satisfied. As long as none of your animals are playing french horn, you
shouldn't have any problems [grin].

With just the LION battery, you get about 4.5 hours of recording on a full
charge. With just two AA batteries, you get about 4 hours, and if you have
both connected you get about 8.5 hours. That should be plenty for your
requirements.

You also get the ability to adjust the recording level on the fly while you
are recording which you don't get with Sony.

I think the Sharp 722 which is a bit more money will record even longer with
the above.

-- Martin

-Original Message-
Behalf Of Lon Huber

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RE: MD: Image is nothing. Sound is everything. Obey your ears.

1999-12-17 Thread Martin Schiff


Archer,

I am by no means an expert on audio equipment. I was repeating what I was
told by two different audio salesmen when I was shopping for DVD players.
Thank you for correcting my misconception.

However, it would seem to me that with the proliferation of CDR drives both
audio and computer based, it was a pretty poor decision by Sony not to
include that as a feature, just as I feel about the lack of digital output.
I was going to buy the Sony MXD-D3 until I looked at the specs and found
that it had only digital in.

Like I said, I have always (until recently) been biased towards Sony
equipment and have a Sony receiver on my desk across the room.

BTW, I agree 100% with your subject line.

-- Martin

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Kade Hansson
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 6:32 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: MD: Image is nothing. Sound is everything. Obey your ears.



At 05:40 PM 12/16/99 -0500, MS wrote:

I think it's ridiculous that the Sony consumer decks that sell for $350-400
US (like the Sony MXD-D3)  don't have digital output. I also bought a Sony
DVD deck that would not play CDR audio discs (they are deliberately
designed
so that they will not play them).

Yeah right. You do know that it requires extra engineering to allow a DVD
deck to read CD-Rs? They are invisible to the typical DVD wavelength laser.


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RE: MD: The French Horn Glitch - Urban legend

1999-12-17 Thread Martin Schiff


As I suspected, this story seems to be an urban legend (at least based on my
tests). I used your file LoHorn.wav and recorded it digitally on my Sharp
MD-R2, then digitally on my Sharp 702, and finally analog through the line
in on my Sharp 702. There was absolutely no distortion whatsoever in the
recording. All the wave forms are perfectly normal and the copies sound just
like the original (hiss and all). I would be happy to provide the wav file
to anyone that would like a copy of it. I suspect that the person who
originally experienced this problem had a bad cable or some other
mechanical/electronic problem.

-- Martin

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Colin Burchall
Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 2:12 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MD: The French Horn Glitch (was: Sharp 701/702s for 99
Pounds at RS)



Eric Woudenberg wrote:

 Before this problem reaches Urban Legend status, I wonder if anyone
 has a copy of this French Horn signal that the Sharp supposedly has
 trouble with. I'd like to see if we can reproduce it. I remember
 having it at one time and recording it on my MZ-R50 without any
 problems.

I still have it available on my site along with a pic of the waveform:

The original file: www.ozemail.com.au/~atrac/LoHorn.wav
The same file recorded on a 722: www.ozemail.com.au/~atrac/Horn722.wav
A pic of the waveform: www.ozemail.com.au/~atrac/badwav.jpg

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RE: MD: MD..Re: Excellent Speaker System For MD And Just About Anything Else

1999-12-16 Thread Martin Schiff


According to the Klipsch website,

BASH = High power five-channel built-in amplifier offering 400 watts of
total audio power using advanced BASH® (Bridged Amplifier/ Switching Hybrid)
design

They do sound like really nice speakers.

-- Martin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Rodney Peterson

 On the bottom of the subwoofer there is a brass/brown
sticker that says BASH, I don't know what that means.

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RE: MD: Car Minidisc Player

1999-12-15 Thread Martin Schiff


Crutchfields has the Sony 7900 for $299.

http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-rtvC00GOweh/ProdView.asp?bid=22523stor
e=0sid=S-rtvC00GOweh#158mdxc790

-- Martin

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Mitch P.

Does anyone know where one can get a car minidisc
player for under $300

-Mitch
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RE: MD: SoundTrack DIGITAL I/O BOARD for SB Live(Made by HOONTECH)

1999-12-15 Thread Martin Schiff


Hoontech has a new DBIII I/O card for the SB Live that has optical in and
out, and coax in and out. They are both digital and equivalent as far as the
results you get. But if you use Coax out you need a converter (read
expensive) to get it to an optical in on your minidisc. The DBIII is only a
few dollars more than the DBI, so it would be much cheaper. I use a Hoontech
sound card (Yamaha XG) to do optical transfers to and from my Sharp deck,
and it works great. Haven't tried the I/O card yet though.

-- Maritn

-Original Message-

I'd just like to ask some questions about this card
for the soundblaster Live! value.
Is there a way to use the Coaxial out to record
digitally?

would someone like to explain to me the differences
between coaxial and optical? are they like both
digital?


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RE: MD: OT, anyone know how to title tracks on a CDR?

1999-12-09 Thread Martin Schiff


I have a Sony CD carousel changer that has CD Text capability, and so far
not a single one of my CD's has CD Text on it. I've bought some really new
ones too. My son also has a changer, and a couple of his CD's have the CD
Text.

-- Martin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Mitch P.

You not only have to get the right CD text compatible
hardware, but I believe that not all CDs themselves
have the song titles encoded in the disc.  I think its
a relatively new thing, so not many CDs have the bonus
of having song title and other info available when you
play them.  Does anyone have experience with this?

Mitch

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RE: MD: the Internet Minidisc by Sharp

1999-12-08 Thread Martin Schiff


Ralph,

Also, Sony low end decks have only digital input (including the new MXD-D3),
where all current Sharp decks have both digital input and output.  And Sharp
portables have a manually adjustable record level control where the Sony
portables do not.

-- Martin

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Ralph Smeets
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 4:28 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MD: the "Internet Minidisc" by Sharp



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Maybe what you write about is slightly different, but
 my Sony MD component recorder has a couple 'sync'
 features, such as one that records when it detects an
 audio signal, and even clips out the null-sound times
 (called smart space).  I have yet to try this on the
 analog connection, but it works dandily on the digital
 connector.

I know I'm going to upset some Sony porti owners with the next statement:

AFAIK, Sharp portables have almost the same features as Sony component
decks.
Sony portables however lack a lot of features or have 'extra' (End-Search)
features.

Cheers,
Ralph


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RE: MD: OT, anyone know how to title tracks on a CDR?

1999-12-08 Thread Martin Schiff


Your CDR drive would need to support CD TEXT and you would need the latest
version of EZ CD Creator which does support CD TEXT. Of course, the person
you give the CDR to would also need a CD Player that supports CD TEXT.

The easy way would be just to use EZ CD Creator to make a jewel case insert
and title the tracks there.

-- Martin

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of J. Coon
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 9:19 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: MD: OT, anyone know how to title tracks on a CDR?



I have a ZIP-CD CD burner and I am using the Adaptec EZ CD creator and
the Adaptec Direct CD to make copies of some tunes that I recorded on my
Minidisc recorder so I can share them with people that are Minidisc
impaired.  (The poor souls)  (I am using my $10 home brew mike
http://www.tir.com/~liteways/Mandolin.html#Microphone )

My question is, how do I title the tracks on the CDR?  There must be a
way.


--
Jim Coon
Not just another pretty mandolin picker
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If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet?


My first web page

http://www.tir.com/~liteways/
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RE: MD: Deal on Sharp MDMS702B

1999-12-08 Thread Martin Schiff


You are right, I hadn't noticed that.  Thanks.

-- Martin

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Peter Gross
 http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/0611/02258061.htm

I checked out the page and note that these are REFURBISHED units.

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MD: Deal on Sharp MDMS702B

1999-12-07 Thread Martin Schiff


I just got an email from Egghead with the Sharp MDMS702B portable recorder
available for $149. That's a heck of a deal. About $100 less than I paid for
mine.

http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/0611/02258061.htm

-- Martin

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RE: MD: John Balint's SB bracket instructions

1999-12-06 Thread Martin Schiff


Rick,

You can buy the Hoontech digital bracket II for the same price as the parts
to build the John Balint bracket, and you get a lot more functionality
(including midi in and out). Spend $14 more for the digital bracket III and
you get far more capability including both optical and coax connectors.

-- Martin

- Original Message -
From: Eric Woudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, 5 December 1999 22:27
Subject: MD: John Balint's SB bracket instructions


 Hi,

 Did anyone happen to save John Balint's instructions for providing
 optical digital connections on a Sound Blaster Live Value card?


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RE: MD: Looking for the right MD Deck.

1999-12-04 Thread Martin Schiff


The difference is the quality of the sound components, the number of inputs
and outputs, and whether it is analog or digital (among many other things).
If you want a small portable mixer, check soundprofessionals.com. They have
several listed and they are on the low end of the price range.

-- Martin

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of brent harding

What's the difference between these? I mean the 100 dollar ones and the
more expensive kind?

You would need a mixer for that. Depending on the quality you want, you
could spend from $100 to thousands.

-- Martin

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RE: MD: Looking for the right MD Deck.

1999-12-04 Thread Martin Schiff


No, they absolutely will not all produce the same quality of sound. Just as
a $50 receiver will not produce the same quality of sound as a $300
receiver. However, for the purpose of mixing analog sound sources to record
in a portable Minidisc player, it may not make a great deal of difference.
If you are recording with a microphone, then it could make a profound
difference.

Most mixers are powered by A/C using either a wall wart, or straight plug
in. There are a few battery powered ones though, but I have not tried them.
Sound Professionals has a Samson with 4 inputs that can be powered by
batteries or an adapter.

-- Martin

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of brent harding

Will they all produce almost the same quality of sound? Can you plug them
in, or do you have to wait for some internal battery to charge, that if you
don't let drain that it will stop keeping it's charge and not work any more?


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RE: MD: Why Sharp ATRAC sucks (a review)

1999-12-03 Thread Martin Schiff


I just did my own test with a CD that I had recorded from my Sony CD changer
digitally to my Sharp MD-R2 deck, and the original CD playing through the
same receiver. I was not playing the CD on the same player as I used to do
the recording, but since it was digital I doubt that should make much
difference. I started both at the same time and, using headphones, did an
A/B test between them. I could tell slight differences, but in some cases
the minidisc sounded better and in others the CD. In no case was the
difference profound enough that I felt it approached the difference between
a CD and an MP3. I am a music composer (http://www.mp3.com/starbirth) and
can easily hear the difference between the wav files that I create for my
music and the compressed mp3 files, but there was nothing approaching that
between the Sharp deck and my Sony CD player.

You are leaving out a big part of the equation here, however. Unless you
have both sound sources (the CD deck and the Minidisc deck) connected
digitally to your amplification source, then you are listening to the sound
through two different DA converters. There is a great deal of difference
between DA converters, and that alone could explain the difference in what
you hear. Frankly, I can hear a difference between the DA converter in my
portable Sharp 702, and the one in my MD-R2 deck. The deck sounds quite a
bit better to my ears (now someone will probably tell me that they have the
same DA [grin]).

At any rate, what you are attributing to the Atrac could be something else
entirely.

-- Martin

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RE: MD: Looking for the right MD Deck.

1999-12-01 Thread Martin Schiff


Kevin,

Minidisco has the Sharp MDR3 deck with 3 CD trays and one minidisk for $239,
and the Sony MXDD3 which has 4x dubbing for $359. I don't think either has a
ps/2 port, but I don't think you are going to find one in your price range.

-- Martin

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
 Behalf Of Kevin Williams

 Hi, I'm looking for a deck that does CD-MD (nessicary) , 2x dub (not =
 nessicary but would prefer it), PS/2 port for tilting (NESSICARY!), and =
 any extra features would be great. I would perfer Sony, but if any other =
 brand I wouldn't mind. Price range 200-300$. Thanks for your time.

 -Kevin


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RE: MD: md-l-mimedigest V2 #437 (was New member, need informations)

1999-11-29 Thread Martin Schiff


Jean-Luc,

You can order Hoontech products directly from them over the web from any
country, I believe. Minidisco.com sells the Xitel, and perhaps they will
ship to you as well.

-- Martin

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Jean-Luc LEBEC

Now I'll probably ask them some more questions, like where to purchase
and prices.
I'm not sure these brands are available in France.


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RE: MD: MD to SB(value) transfer

1999-11-29 Thread Martin Schiff


Get a digital bracket from Hoontech. That will allow you to connect via
Toslink very easily. www.hoontech.com. They are very inexpensive.

-- Martin

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Thomas, Ferris
Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 2:32 PM
To: MD list
Subject: MD: MD to SB(value) transfer



Really quick:  I've got a PC with a soundBlaster value card in it.  What is
the easiest/best way to do digital transfers from my sony MZR-30 to the PC?

Thanks in advance.

F.S. Thomas
programmer
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RE: MD: Transferring MD to CD

1999-11-26 Thread Martin Schiff


I think the key may be that I always cut my live recordings in the applause
between songs, so even if there was some noise, it would not be noticeable.
Either that, or Sound Forge or Adaptec's Easy CD Creator is handling it.
Whatever the reason is, it is not noticeable at all, either as a distortion
or difference in the way the applause sounds.

-- Martin

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Re: MD: Transferring MD to CD

1999-11-23 Thread Martin Schiff


Jerry,

Thanks a lot for your message. Since I sent the message, I have discovered a
method that makes creating a CD from a MD many times easier.

I am using Sound Forge from Sonic Foundry to edit my WAV files. First I
record the entire MD to a file with a digital transfer. Then using SF, I can
drop markers in the places I want to split the file. Prior to that, I was
highlighting an area, cutting it and pasting it into a new file. After I
place the markers (that takes only about 10 or 15 minutes on a 74 minute
recording, because I can preview ahead and look at the wavforms to see where
the applause is between songs without listening to the whole recording), SF
has a function that will change the markers to regions. That creates the
areas that will be tracks. Then SF has an export function that will export
regions to files automatically. I just did two of them that way a couple of
nights ago, and it took less than 1/4 the time it did before, maybe even
1/8. If it is a MD that has silence between each track, then it would be
even quicker, because SF can automatically create the regions as well.

-- Martin

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RE: MD: Software recommendations/reviews?

1999-11-21 Thread Martin Schiff


I use Sound Forge for editing music files for both minidisc recording, and
composing music and have been very happy with it. I have not used Cool Edit
though.

-- Martin

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MD: Transferring MD to CD

1999-11-20 Thread Martin Schiff


Is there any software out there that makes it easier to transfer a MD to a
CD including splitting the tracks on the CD to match the MD? I have a Sharp
MD-R2 deck attached to my computer with a Toslink cable to a Hoontech sound
card and am able to do a digital transfer. I also have a 702 portable that I
use to make the recordings.

I am currently recording the MD as a single WAV file with a digital transfer
to the computer, and then editing it in Sound Forge to break it up into
tracks (separate wav files), and apply some mastering to the recording for
live concerts that I record with my 702 portable. Then I write it to a CD
with Adaptec's Easy CD Creator. The results using this method are excellent,
but it's rather tedious when all I want to do is transfer an MD to CD
without editing it.

I could program my MD deck to put a 2 second silent track between each music
track when transferring to the computer, and then use Adaptec's Spin Doctor
to automatically break it at the silence, but in some cases, I would rather
not have the silence, just a CD track mark.

Any suggestions?

-- Martin

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RE: MD: Are there any other titling options?

1999-11-17 Thread Martin Schiff


Any chance you could make your programs available for Sharp minidisc
recorders?

-- Martin

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Behalf Of Martin Danek

You should look at my www pages:
http://www.czechin.com/minidisc

There are some titling project which allow you to title
MD from computer (there are also database application
which is able to print MD labels).

Windows version of MD titler (HW and SW) cost
about $50 USD.

DOS version is free.


Martin

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RE: MD: AT822 Microphone

1999-11-15 Thread Martin Schiff


I don't know about the 822, but I use the AT 853 to record live concerts
with a 9v power supply and my Sharp 702, and am extremely happy with the
results.

-- Martin

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Anyone out there have any experience with the Audio Technica
AT 822 stereo microphone? I am thinking about buying one to
record live concerts to MD with. Thanks for any information
you can provide!


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RE: MD: Sound Card with digital input

1999-11-15 Thread Martin Schiff


Check out Hoontech at http://www.hoontech.com. They have several cards with
Toslink input and output to connect to a minidisc unit. Also, the Storm
Platinum card from Xitel at http://www.xitel.com. You can buy the Xitel at
Minidisco and the Hoontech from a distributor in your area (see the website
for a list).

-- Martin

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Hello everybody
I'm trying to know whether it's possible to find PC sound cards with a
digital input (optical or coax) in order to connect a MD player to the PC
for digital extraction (from MD to PC).

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RE: MD: Off topic: mp3 editing tools?

1999-11-14 Thread Martin Schiff


I have Sound Forge and have used it to edit MP3 files. What actually happens
is that SF decodes the MP3 file (if you have the plug-in) and allows you to
edit it or add effects, do mastering or whatever you like. Then when you
save it, it encodes it as MP3 again. SF is a dynamite tool for editing music
files.

-- Martin

 Does anyone know if there are tools to edit mp3s in the mpeg domain,
 without the conversion mp3-wav-mp3?

 I could use a tool that cuts single mpeg frames from songs to remove
 clicks or long intros from songs...

I believe SoundForge 4.5 does (http://www.sonicfoundry.com)


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RE: MD: Recording live concerts with Sharp 702

1999-11-14 Thread Martin Schiff


Your best bet is to set it and forget it. Get a level at the beginning and
leave some headroom (I like to be below -6db, and -12 is not bad) for the
loud passages. It is not necessary to be near 0db as you will get clipping
if it goes at all beyond that. The key is the microphones. Using powered
microphones and the line in connection of the 702 gives much better results.

The one concert I recorded where I was constantly setting the levels did not
come out nearly as well as the ones where I got a level at the beginning and
then left it alone.

-- Martin

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Subject: Re: MD: Recording live concerts with Sharp 702

I just recently got a 702 and plan on doing concert recordings as well.  My
question is, what is a safe record level to set it at if, of course, you
would
not know how high the sound will go up to?  I just recorded a small recital
with vocals and instrumentals and I found that I constantly had to look down
at
my record level and adjust to the level between the 4 and 0.  My enjoyment
of
the recital was somewhat diminished, as you can imagine.  The recording did
come out wonderfully.

Extra info:  I used the microphone that came with the Sony Stereo Tape
Recorder
D2.

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RE: MD: Kenwood full-size decks

1999-11-12 Thread Martin Schiff


Minidisco is selling the Sharp MD-R2 for $159 right now. I bought one a
couple of days ago and am very happy with it. I also have a 702. The MD-R2
has Toslink input and output and coax input.  The operation of the MD-R2 is
very similar to the 702, so it is very easy to use if you have a 702. Every
place else is selling the MD-R2 for almost double that price. No keyboard
socket though.

http://www.minidisco.com

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Subject: MD: Kenwood full-size decks



Hey everyone

I want to get a full-size deck to go with my 702 portable. I can maybe get a
deal on Kenwood kit - what's the best one to go for?

I need co-ax digital for my CD player, and I'd quite like a PS2 keyboard
socket too. Classy looks and top sonic performance go without saying...

cheers

Al

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