re: MD: headphones amps
Booth, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyhow, I was wondering if anyone has suggestions for a great pair of headphones that are between $70-$150, and a good headphone amp. Eventually I'd like to upgrade to something like this because it sounds like with what I am using I am not getting the best sound quality I can get. (using the headphone amp and my cheap sony headphones). Richard: If you're only going to be spending $70-$150, you'd be better off finding a pair of headphones that don't need an amp, since the cheapest good amp (Headroom's Total Airhead) is going to cost $160 by itself. You can always upgrade later (see below). The other questions that should *always* be asked before recommending headphones: 1) Do you have a preference in terms of earbud vs. circumaural (on-the-ear) vs. supra-aural (around-the-ear) headphones? 2) Do you want open or closed headphones? In other words, do you want 'phones that block out external sound and keep your music from disturbing others? Or do you want to be able to hear the outside world? Keep in mind that in *general* open cans sound better. 3) Do you have any preferences in terms of how you like your music to sound? Accurate? More bass? More treble? If you answer these, we can help you pick some really great 'phones for your budget. There are quite a few very good 'phones that can be powered by your MD portable within your price range. Francisco J. Huerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, for $150 USD you can get an extremely good set of headphones that won't need a headphone amp: the Grado SR-125. They are very efficient, open aire headphones, that will sound very, very good out of a component output. In fact, I'd rather listen to them through my Yamaha receiver than through my X-CansV2 headphone amp! Francisco, if he's only running these out of his Sharp MD, the SR-80 would be a bit better for him, and $50 cheaper. The SR-125 is reportedly good without an amp, but the truth is that while the SR-60 and SR-80 are truly no-amp-needed cans, the SR-125 really does do much better with an amp. If you would like a truly thrilling experience, though, try to get a set of HD-580s for $199 with a surround processor (Audio Advisor might stock them). e-Bay the surround processor for, say, $40 USD. Try to get your hands on an X-CanV2 (the Creek OBH-11 is an excellent amp, but from people who own both, the HD-580 likes a lot more power... like the 1 watt RMS the X-Can is capable of producing) for $229 (again, try AudioAdvisor or www.headphone.com). In case you can't get an X-Can, an Antique Audio MG-Head might do the trick (it's the same price at www.headphone.com). For close to $400 USD, you will be in sonic heaven. I would completely agree with this as a great headphone system, except for the Sennheiser surround processor. It's awful for music, although some people seem to like with when watching movies. You can get the HD-580 for around $180 online, and AudioAdvisor will sell you the X-CANSv2 (make sure you get the v2) for around $240. The only problem with this is that 1) I'm not sure the Sharp unit you have actually has an auto-sensing line/headphone jack; and 2) if it does, the fact that it's not a dedicated line out will affect the sound to some extent. If you're thinking about getting into good headphones, I would start with buying a good set that can be driven by your portable to see if the difference in sound is quite noticeable to you (it isn't for some people). If you fall in love with the great sound, you can always move up to headphone amps and higher-end cans. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: headphones amps
Larry said: I guess it should also be a warning to anyone who likes to listen to their music through headphones. IF you want the best possible sound, first you have to get yourself a top notch pair of headphones. That goes without saying. But second, you should invest in a good separate headphone amp and not use the headphone out that is built into your amp or receiver. Use the line out as you would for any other component. Thanks for the great tip there. I am a relative newbie to this list, and haven't introduced myself, so I will now, before asking questions. My name is Rick, I have been interested in live recordings and general audio stuff + computers as long as I can remember. I currently own a Sharp MDS-R60 portable MD, and a Pioneer MJ-D707 deck unit (wish it had coax output..). I listen to most of my music on headphones using either my portable cd player or my MD units. That said, I am interested in what Larry brought up about headphone amps. I currently have a cheapo pair of Koss over-the-ear plugs that I rarely use, kind of a backup in case I need them for travelling or portability. My main set of headphones is a $20 Sony headphones (the ones with big cups on the sides, old school style g), not sure of the model # but I know it has 30mm drivers in it and sounds decent. Anyhow, I was wondering if anyone has suggestions for a great pair of headphones that are between $70-$150, and a good headphone amp. Eventually I'd like to upgrade to something like this because it sounds like with what I am using I am not getting the best sound quality I can get. (using the headphone amp and my cheap sony headphones). -Rick - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: headphones amps
Anyhow, I was wondering if anyone has suggestions for a great pair of headphones that are between $70-$150, and a good headphone amp. Eventually I'd like to upgrade to something like this because it sounds like with what I am using I am not getting the best sound quality I can get. (using the headphone amp and my cheap sony headphones). Rick, for $150 USD you can get an extremely good set of headphones that won't need a headphone amp: the Grado SR-125. They are very efficient, open aire headphones, that will sound very, very good out of a component output. In fact, I'd rather listen to them through my Yamaha receiver than through my X-CansV2 headphone amp! If you would like a truly thrilling experience, though, try to get a set of HD-580s for $199 with a surround processor (Audio Advisor might stock them). e-Bay the surround processor for, say, $40 USD. Try to get your hands on an X-CanV2 (the Creek OBH-11 is an excellent amp, but from people who own both, the HD-580 likes a lot more power... like the 1 watt RMS the X-Can is capable of producing) for $229 (again, try AudioAdvisor or www.headphone.com). In case you can't get an X-Can, an Antique Audio MG-Head might do the trick (it's the same price at www.headphone.com). For close to $400 USD, you will be in sonic heaven. Francisco. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Headphones
Francisco J. Huerta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are more stylish (YMMV), silver, they don't exert as much pressure as the KSC-35, and, according to a lot of reports I've seen in Headwize, due to less pressure on the ears they don't sound the same as the 35s. Less bass. Also, they seem to fall easily. People who have the 35s and the 50s actually prefer the 35s. Francisco: Exactly (I was actually the one who wrote the review on Headwize comparing the two ;) ). Here's the big summary: The 50s have more modern styling, as they have larger silver plastic enclosures... probably to compete with Sony's awful but popular StreetStyle line. The 35s are black and, to many people, kind of ugly ;) 50s are a bit more comfortable because of the new rubber/wire flexible earclip (kind of like a cheap Gumby doll ;) However, they have a spring in the earclip, and the rubber/wire doesn't hold, so the earclip eventually moves back to the original position, meaning that while the 35s would stay on your head no matter what, they 50s will fall off if you move too much. This is exacerbated by the fact that the 50s are noticeably heavier. So the 35 is better for exercise or other uses where you'll be moving around. 35s have black, rubber coated cables. 50s have gray, fabric coated cables. The gray fabric is stiffer than the black rubber, but this could be because they are newer right now. 50s protrude much more from the head because of the new silver casing. Not only are they stylish, but they draw attention! hehe, j/k The two models sound almost identical except that the 50s have slightly less bass response than the 35s, most likely because they do not press as tightly against the ear. That's not necessarily a bad thing. The 35s have always been my favorite of the 35/Porta/SportaPro line (all of which use the same driver) because the other two models have a little too much bass (they both fit more tightly still). So while the 50s may have a bit less bass than the 35s, they still sound more balanced than the Portas or Sportas. Keep in mind that any of the four have stellar sound, and you can't get, IMHO, a better set of phones for $50 than one from this line. Marc Britten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: are these great for sport use? i have a pair of cheap sony wrap arounds that i bought on a trip to replace a different pair of headphones that got crushed(don't ask) and i'm looking for something w/ good sound, but will also stand up to the bouncing of outdoor cross country running. The KSC-35s are perfect for running. I use them every day for exercise. Unfortunately, the newer KSC-50s are not -- as described above, they are heavier, and fit much more loosely, so they tend to fall off much more easily :( I would enthusiastically recommend the 35s for running. If you find *them* too lose, you can get the SportaPros at Circuit City for $19, and nobody every accused them of not fitting tightly enough ;) las [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [re: Etymotics] At $300.00 you really, really, really have to be into listening with earbuds big time! You can buy a pair of Sony Glasstron TV glasses on eBay for that kind of money. The ear buds included with the glasstron are on the big side, but have decent sound and you get to view video on a virtual 52 screen. Larry, you just really have to be into good sound is all ;) $300 is pretty standard for top-of-the-line headphones: Sennheiser HD600, Etymotics, Grado 325, Sony 3000, etc. Yes, you could get that Glasstron TV thingy and ruin your eyes while listening to bad sound, or you could get a pair of amazing headphones ;) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Headphones
Mike Lastucka suggested: Might have something to do with the fact that they effectively seal your canal up. :) Maybe in your case this causes issues with balance or something, causing some sort of vertigo. *shrug* I get it with the non-canal-sealing folding headphones that came with a friend's MZ-R50, too. An addendum to my previous post: I started fiddling around with my E888s, and found that if I push the earbud down (but not in) slightly, so that my ear starts to shift with it, the bass improves dramatically. Probably not to the point of 'brain-shaking' but definitely good bass, a little too much bass, even, with the player set to full boosting. So maybe my ears aren't compatible? :] I've tried it with and without the foam pads, and the only difference is that it's less comfortable without the pads. Keeping my fingers pressing on the earbuds isn't a practical solution; anybody have suggestions on how to get around this, short of perhaps hanging something heavy on the cord? 2 [) [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\ http://rsquared.firest0rm.org/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Headphones
Richard Rudie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I've heard good things about the clip-on-your-ear Q33s, too, but after spending $35 for the G63s and $70 for the E888s I won't be buying any more headphones for a while anyway. The Q33's are simply *awful* headphones, unfortunately. If you want to try earclips, the best ones by far (in fact, the *only* earclips I will even put on) are the Koss KSC-35 or KSC-50 (I prefer the 35's). - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Headphones
An addendum to my previous post: I started fiddling around with my E888s, and found that if I push the earbud down (but not in) slightly, so that my ear starts to shift with it, the bass improves dramatically. Probably not to the point of 'brain-shaking' but definitely good bass, a little too much bass, even, with the player set to full boosting. So maybe my ears aren't compatible? :] I've tried it with and without the foam pads, and the only difference is that it's less comfortable without the pads. Keeping my fingers pressing on the earbuds isn't a practical solution; anybody have suggestions on how to get around this, short of perhaps hanging something heavy on the cord? Keep a seriously gorgeous woman around at all times to maintain adequate pressure on your ear buds. :) Seriously though, if buds simply do not work with your ears you probably are left with two choices. a) surgery, and b) go with a different style of headphone. Do those street-style headphones sit well with you? Personally I think they make people look silly, but it may be your thing. --- Mike Lastucka, B. Tech [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sites.netscape.net/element5/ 2048 bit DH 0x16DC15CD _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Headphones
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Dan Frakes wrote: I'm very happy for my pair of Sony MDR-CD1700. (Mind you, the successor MDR-CD2000 just sucks). Being mostly in Southern California I mostly just use them at work and on the occasional flight to somewhere else so it doesn't bother me that they're a little bulky. http://www.audioreview.com/reviews/Headphone/product_5703.shtml - ask -- ask bjoern hansen, http://ask.netcetera.dk/ !try; do(); - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Headphones
* Dan Frakes [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, 11 Jun 2001 | The Q33's are simply *awful* headphones, unfortunately. If you want to try | earclips, the best ones by far (in fact, the *only* earclips I will even put | on) are the Koss KSC-35 or KSC-50 (I prefer the 35's). What is different about the KSC-50? -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ When not in use, Happy Fun Ball should be Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ returned to its special container and PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ kept under refrigeration. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Headphones
They are more stylish (YMMV), silver, they don't exert as much pressure as the KSC-35, and, according to a lot of reports I've seen in Headwize, due to less pressure on the ears they don't sound the same as the 35s. Less bass. Also, they seem to fall easily. People who have the 35s and the 50s actually prefer the 35s. Francisco. - Original Message - From: Stainless Steel Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MD-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:57 PM Subject: Re: MD: Headphones * Dan Frakes [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, 11 Jun 2001 | The Q33's are simply *awful* headphones, unfortunately. If you want to try | earclips, the best ones by far (in fact, the *only* earclips I will even put - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Headphones
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === are these great for sport use? i have a pair of cheap sony wrap arounds that i bought on a trip to replace a different pair of headphones that got crushed(don't ask) and i'm looking for something w/ good sound, but will also stand up to the bouncing of outdoor cross country running. marc On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 03:38:34PM -0700, Dan Frakes wrote: Richard Rudie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I've heard good things about the clip-on-your-ear Q33s, too, but after spending $35 for the G63s and $70 for the E888s I won't be buying any more headphones for a while anyway. The Q33's are simply *awful* headphones, unfortunately. If you want to try earclips, the best ones by far (in fact, the *only* earclips I will even put on) are the Koss KSC-35 or KSC-50 (I prefer the 35's). - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Headphones
Tim Pitman posted: I've just purchased a Sony MZR-900 and would like to buy some better earphones for it. I'd really like some that are comfortable, and with good sound. And Mike Lastucka replied: I picked up a pair of Sony MDR-EX70SLs, those nude ex ones. They're amazing. The things fit right into the ear canal (obviously you want to watch your volume here!), so they're very comfortable and you barely notice them after about 30 seconds of wearing. The sound these things put out is incredible, with brainshaking bass, and excellent high ends. My MZ-R700's pack-in headphones were better than I'd expected, but I decided to get something better. I liked the behind-the-head street style headphones that came with my D-EG7 Discman, but they got uncomfortable after a while. I attributed it to being pack-ins, and I ordered a pair of MDR-G63SPs. They sound good, and the short cord really _is_ MD-friendly, but they also got uncomfortable after a while. So I broke down and ordered a pair of MDR-E888LPs. I was hesitant to spend the money, but I had read lots of good things about them. When they arrived, I was astonished at how good they sounded, and they're comfortable, too. The only drawbacks are that they don't have real powerful bass (not wimpy either, but more bass would be good), and they don't hang on real well when I'm doing something active. So when I do yardwork or such things, I wear the G63s; they hang on well and I'm done before they start getting uncomfortable. The brainshaking bass of the EX70s sounds tempting, though in-your-ear-canal designs tend to make me feel slightly nauseated; I don't know why, and y'all probably didn't want to know about that, besides. And I've heard good things about the clip-on-your-ear Q33s, too, but after spending $35 for the G63s and $70 for the E888s I won't be buying any more headphones for a while anyway. Though some noise-cancelling headphones would be nice for when I mow the lawn... 2 [) [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\ http://rsquared.firest0rm.org/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello- Please disregard the mistakes, I've been having drinks with a friend I haven't seen in three years. I've been using the same pair of headphones (not to be mistaken with earphones) for 10 years now. They were my brother's, just like the 2 CDs that I borrowed from him--but hey, he's my brother. They are Sony MDR-V4. I'm guessing if they're still making them, they're up to V9 by now. They're those kinds of headphones that white people don't like to use because they're big. But not nearly as big as DJ headphones--like the Sony 700 which everyone loves to have. I made the mistake of not getting them when a friend worked at Sony in New York, but there was a defect with the hinges of their early ones anyway. Hey, anyone think Sony tests our their products in stores sometimes? kinda rude, but those things that work are nice. My old Sonys are pretty worn now, and they're definitely not small, but they carry sound quite nicely. They're versatile because they have screw-on adapters to go from 1/4 to 1/8, and they last. Not for exercise I guess although mine have absorbed quite a lot of sweat over the years. Just the thing for the train and/or bus though. or the PC or whatever else. I also use them as microphones now which is great because people never know when they're being recorded. haha--suckers ;-) I'm still happy with real oversized headphones after all these years. They cost a little more, but they sound good, and they last. I'm in the market for a new one myself and I'll definitely post when I've bought the one. Although I'm sure there are some smaller ear/headphones that sound good. Have a good week everybody. //future-shock/ http://www.wam.umd.edu/~payvand [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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on 4/17/01 12:33 AM, Matt Wall at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sorry again about this stupid e-mail reader, i hate outhouse express anyway here is the original e-mail i tried to send Go to Preferences. Click on the Compose tab. Select Plain Text from the Mail Format popup menu. Click the OK button. Everyone should now be happy. :-) Ed What the Heckman [EMAIL PROTECTED] +--+ | Where there is great love, there are always miracles.| |-- Willa Cather | | Death Comes for the Archbishop | +--+ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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sorry again about this stupid e-mail reader, i hate outhouse express anyway here is the original e-mail i tried to send Howdy all, i know this topic has been beat to death in this mailing list, but i have hopefully a simple question that wont get everyone all upset. until recently i had a very nice set of Denon Headphones that i used from time to time when either mixing my music or general stuff and didn't want to listen through speakers. anyway they are not earbuds or the small earphones, they look similar to sony's 700dj series. anyway they got destroyed (nephew thought they would be a cool spinner toy) so i need a new pair. anyone have any suggestions on headphones. 2 major factors in these headphones are 1. how comfortable they are 2. sound any input would be greatly appreciated. - Original Message - From: "Matt Wall" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 10:57 PM Subject: MD: headphones === The original message was multipart MIME=== === All non-text parts (attachments) have been removed === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: headphones (resent)
I am resending this because it does not seem that it got through, although
my second post also about headphones did. Thats computers for you :(
Thank you for all of the useful, albeit conflicting, responses to my
questions so far.
I know some of the questions here are similar to my second post ("more
headphones") and so have already been answered, but the questions about the
big "proper" headphones are still relevent. Anyway I go on too much...
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Hi,
I hope this is not off topic, although I suppose its more related to
mindiscs than the AOL support forum this list seems to be turning into :P ,
but I need some replacement headphones, both in-ear and the big ones that
completely go over your ear (whatever there proper name is I don't know :).
I do not really want to spend more than about 40 for the in-ear ones, after
all, I am bound to lose/break them eventually :) and I do not want to spend
more than about 60 - 75 for the big headphones. I would prefer the
headphones to not let too much sound out.
Has anyone got any suggestions?
What are the (in-ear) Sony MDR-ED268LP and the MDR-EX70LP headphones like?
I saw some decent big headphones on the sony usa website (the CD series) ,
but they were all $150 to $699, which I thought was a bit much for just a
pair of headphones, but maybe thats just me :P
Or are Sony not the best ppl to buy headphones from?
Oh, and btw I need to be able to get the headphones form the UK
Thanks
Edward
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Hey,
If you haven't already, go to the forum at www.headwize.com , and read the
forum. You should get a feeling of the concensus on certain models. The EX70
is a hot topic right now, for pieces of Scotch tape seems to relieve some of
its problems...
I personally don't recommend anything with Sony's groove design (228, 238,
268), because they seem to make the sound unnecessarily warm. The EX70
doesn't sound quite balanced, has excessive lows and shrill highs. A lot of
EX70 owners have reported that these problems been fixed with more recent
productions, but this is unconfirmed. I'm getting my second pair of EX70
today.
Sorry for being hasty... I'm running out of time here.
Leon
on 3/19/01 9:27 AM, Edward at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am resending this because it does not seem that it got through, although
my second post also about headphones did. Thats computers for you :(
Thank you for all of the useful, albeit conflicting, responses to my
questions so far.
I know some of the questions here are similar to my second post ("more
headphones") and so have already been answered, but the questions about the
big "proper" headphones are still relevent. Anyway I go on too much...
---
Hi,
I hope this is not off topic, although I suppose its more related to
mindiscs than the AOL support forum this list seems to be turning into :P ,
but I need some replacement headphones, both in-ear and the big ones that
completely go over your ear (whatever there proper name is I don't know :).
I do not really want to spend more than about 40 for the in-ear ones, after
all, I am bound to lose/break them eventually :) and I do not want to spend
more than about 60 - 75 for the big headphones. I would prefer the
headphones to not let too much sound out.
Has anyone got any suggestions?
What are the (in-ear) Sony MDR-ED268LP and the MDR-EX70LP headphones like?
I saw some decent big headphones on the sony usa website (the CD series) ,
but they were all $150 to $699, which I thought was a bit much for just a
pair of headphones, but maybe thats just me :P
Or are Sony not the best ppl to buy headphones from?
Oh, and btw I need to be able to get the headphones form the UK
Thanks
Edward
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RE: MD: Headphones Question
I'd pick Senn580s over almost any dynamic headphone in the planet (with the exception of Grado HP-1s or Sennheiser's own HD-600). But they would not be adequate for DJ'ing. Reason being, they are open-back headphones. You won't get no isolation from the outside whatsoever. Try www.audioadvisor.com; they have sealed back Sennheisers (HD-210, I think?), which are also very good. Or you could also try Beyerdinamic. Check those out on www.headphone.com. If sound quality is what matters, though, get the 580s. If sound quality REALLY matters, get any Stax =). Francisco. - Original Message - From: Magic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 10:27 AM Subject: RE: MD: Headphones Question Hi all Anybody that uses the HD-580s for djaying? If - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* "Francisco J. Huerta" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, 08 Jan 2001 | have sealed back Sennheisers (HD-210, I think?), which are also very good. HD250-II (aka HD250 linear-II). I have a set of these. Very nice sounding sealed headphones. | Or you could also try Beyerdinamic. Check those out on www.headphone.com. As previously mentioned, the Beyerdynamic 831 sealed headphones are a little weaker than the Sennheiser HD250-II in the bass range. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ When not in use, Happy Fun Ball should be Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ returned to its special container and PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ kept under refrigeration. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* "Magic" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thu, 04 Jan 2001 | I want to thank everyone for your messages. The main reason I want to | purchase the Sony model was that I am djaying and have heard many good words | about them for djaying... Anybody that uses the HD-580s for djaying? If | anyone could comment on them for this particular job. Well, I know it | depends on the music and my music (progressive house and trance) demand | strong headphones. Either HD580 or HD250-II will sound significantly better than anything Sony makes. Sony headphones are notoriously weak in the bass and upper mid-range (and the world gets "Mega-Bass" from Sony instead of better headphones). Both HD580 and HD250-II have significantly better bass response. Do not assume that because the 580s have a higher model number they are somehow superior. That isn't true. The two are comparable, with the difference being that HD580 is open and HD250-II is sealed. If you need good isolation from external noise then HD250-II is the better choice, otherwise go with HD580. Beyer Dynamic's model 831 are a little better than HD250-II overall, but are a little bit lacking in the bass response, whereas HD250-II is a little bit lacking in the midrange, which is like saying that 33 degrees is a little bit colder than 34 degrees :). -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Do not use Happy Fun Ball on concrete. Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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HeadRoom does ship Int'l with a minimum of fuss. And yes, for 250 USD I would go for the HD-580s and the DSP Pro virtualizer. The DSP Pro is nothing more than a nice gimmick, but the HD-580s are really ot of this world. For $199, you can't go wrong. Note: Todd just made a post at Headwize.com stating that Sennheiser will put the 580s back in production. Which means it will go up in price in the following months (the 580 is very cheap right now because it was supposed to be discontinued). Francisco. http://www.headphone.com/ProductsHeadphones/SennheiserHD250.asp http://www.headphone.com/ProductsHeadphones/SennheiserHD580.asp - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi all I want to thank everyone for your messages. The main reason I want to purchase the Sony model was that I am djaying and have heard many good words about them for djaying... Anybody that uses the HD-580s for djaying? If anyone could comment on them for this particular job. Well, I know it depends on the music and my music (progressive house and trance) demand strong headphones. Thank you in advance, Harry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Francisco J. Huerta Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 3:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MD: Headphones Question HeadRoom does ship Int'l with a minimum of fuss. And yes, for 250 USD I would go for the HD-580s and the DSP Pro virtualizer. The DSP Pro is nothing more than a nice gimmick, but the HD-580s are really ot of this world. For $199, you can't go wrong. Note: Todd just made a post at Headwize.com stating that Sennheiser will put the 580s back in production. Which means it will go up in price in the following months (the 580 is very cheap right now because it was supposed to be discontinued). Francisco. http://www.headphone.com/ProductsHeadphones/SennheiserHD250.asp http://www.headphone.com/ProductsHeadphones/SennheiserHD580.asp - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello all and happy new year... I was wandering around the net looking to buy online the Sony MDR-V900 headphones but couldn't find a site that would ship internationally (I live in Greece). I would be grateful if any of you could recommend a good online store for me to purchase the above headphones and that it could ship them here :) Harry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hey man, try www.minidisco.com they may have them and i think they ship internationaly good luck -WiLL - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* "Magic" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wed, 03 Jan 2001 | I was wandering around the net looking to buy online the Sony MDR-V900 For that kind of money (~$250US) you will do much better with Sennheiser HD250-II or HD580 headphones. http://www.headphone.com/ProductsHeadphones/SennheiserHD250.asp http://www.headphone.com/ProductsHeadphones/SennheiserHD580.asp I don't know if HeadRoom ships international, but you can always ask Todd ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Warning: pregnant women, the elderly, and Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ children under 10 should avoid prolonged PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ exposure to Happy Fun Ball. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Now, the next problem, where to find the cheapest dealer on the Netfor these :(. Amazon.com are the cheapest I've seen (thanks to Franciso on this list) but unfortunately they won't ship these headphones outside of the USA :( ZM I'm assuming you're in the UK - Richer Sounds is the only place I've seen that carries the Koss Sporta Pros. You can order online from http://www.richersounds.com/ if you haven't got a local branch. hth, -- Simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thanks for that. Yes I am in the UK. And I have been searching around the last couple of days, and Richer Sounds seems to be the only one stocking these over here. I found a load of retailers selling these headphones on www.biznet.com. egghead.com was one of the cheapest ones, and I think they do delivery to the UK. I'll let you all know if they do :) Otherwise its off to the local Richer Sounds ... ZM - Original Message - From: Simon Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 3:34 PM Subject: Re: MD: Headphones I'm assuming you're in the UK - Richer Sounds is the only place I've seen that carries the Koss Sporta Pros. You can order online from http://www.richersounds.com/ if you haven't got a local branch. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello,
As a general rule, StreetStyles are considered some of the worst headphones
out there (they place fashion way too high above function).
There are a couple of headphones at your price range you might want to try.
First of all are the Grado SR-40s. These headphones have the same
transducers as the highly regarded (by Stereophile and other publications)
Grado SR-60. Unfortunately, they have a different air chamber and they are
not 'round the head'. But for the price, they are considered some of the
best out there; they have a light quality to the sound (they were compared
to a small, 6 in. bookshelf english made speaker), and are very detailed.
You can also look for two Koss offerings: the SportaPro, which, IMHO, is the
perfect companion for a MiniDisc, or the KSC-35. The SportaPro is the most
versatile small headphone I've seen. It folds into a neat little ball for
travelling, it can be worn as a normal headphone, or it can be folded into a
'round the head' headphone. The KSC-35 is a "clip-on" headphone, which you
clip into your ear. No headbands! And they are pretty comfy, too. Both use
the same transducers, so sound quality is the same: pretty bassy (this
things have more bass than a full size headphone!), clean, bright and
dynamic. Some 'phones to really stay away from are the lower price
Audio-Technicas (the ones that look like iMacs are some of the worst
offenders), the Sony StreetStyles, the lower end Sennheisers (yes, they do
sound terrible; quality starts going up from Sennheiser HD-470), and all the
generics out there (Aiwa, Maxwell, etc.).
I think I have a list somewhere with the lowest prices on Koss and Grados.
If you are interested, please e.mail me!
Francisco.
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Subject: MD: Headphones
Hi all
To continue the current headphones thread, I am looking for some mid-range
ones to go with my newly acquired Sharp MDMT831. I was looking at the Sony
MDR-G72LP 'street style' model, and wondered if anyone's tried these and
what the general verdict is on these? I would rather not spend more than
£25
on the headphones, and I am looking for similar street style ('round the
head') type of designs, as I hate earphones!
Unfortunately most stores won't let you try and demo headphones so I guess
this may be the place to ask before I go out and buy a crap pair!
Any comments ?
ZM
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That's because, AFAIK, Koss headphones are made by a different company than the one that manufactures electronics. BTW, if you cannot find Koss headphones where you live, you can always go to Radio Shack. The Pro-45s are the SportaPros, the Pro-35 are the titanium-coated model... actually, most of the Radio Shack headphones are made by Koss. You can check this by looking at the 1/8 plug in them; it will read "Koss". Francisco. - Original Message - From: "David W. Tamkin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "MD-L" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 8:47 PM Subject: Re: MD: Headphones The rat wrote, | Buy Koss over Sony every day of the week. The subject of the thread is "headphones," and the word "headphones" appeared in the text that Rat quoted from Zaheerm, but the word still bore repeating: - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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"zaheerm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To continue the current headphones thread, I am looking for some mid-range
ones to go with my newly acquired Sharp MDMT831. I was looking at the Sony
MDR-G72LP 'street style' model, and wondered if anyone's tried these and
what the general verdict is on these? I would rather not spend more than £25
on the headphones, and I am looking for similar street style ('round the
head') type of designs, as I hate earphones!
I am interpreting your comments to mean that you don't like the "over the
head" style of headphones, and you don't like earbuds, is that correct?
If so, by all means go get a pair of Koss KSC/35! They are "earclips"
meaning they have a full-range driver, but no band. They simply clip over
each ear. Very comfortable, and IMHO the best-sounding for the price
range ($30 US).
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Thanks to EVERYONE who promptly replied to my message. It looks like I will be going for the Koss Sporta Pro's. I quite like the design, and the general consensus is they are one of the best buys in the $30 (or 30 UK pounds) price range. Now, the next problem, where to find the cheapest dealer on the Netfor these :(. Amazon.com are the cheapest I've seen (thanks to Franciso on this list) but unfortunately they won't ship these headphones outside of the USA :( ZM - Original Message - From: Dan Frakes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MDList [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 8:02 PM Subject: Re: MD: Headphones If so, by all means go get a pair of Koss KSC/35! They are "earclips" meaning they have a full-range driver, but no band. They simply clip over each ear. Very comfortable, and IMHO the best-sounding for the price range ($30 US). - - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi all
To continue the current headphones thread, I am looking for some mid-range
ones to go with my newly acquired Sharp MDMT831. I was looking at the Sony
MDR-G72LP 'street style' model, and wondered if anyone's tried these and
what the general verdict is on these? I would rather not spend more than £25
on the headphones, and I am looking for similar street style ('round the
head') type of designs, as I hate earphones!
Unfortunately most stores won't let you try and demo headphones so I guess
this may be the place to ask before I go out and buy a crap pair!
Any comments ?
ZM
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I have the Sennheiser 580's and they are very nice sounding headphones. I have no headphone amplifier and they're a bit too big for using with a portable MD player, although I have occassionally. Mostly, I have them hooked up to my DVD/CD Player and my MiniDisc deck. I often use them as a sort of monitor speaker while recording music to minidisc I've already listened to while watching TV, websurfing or something else at the same time. They've turned out to be really nice for that purpose. I have a pair of B O's as well, and the foam is very short lived and the headphones themselves are made like crap. The sound is nothing special, but not horrible, either. I doubt very much I will ever buy another B O product as long as I live-the headphones being the first and only one. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* "zaheerm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sat, 30 Dec 2000 | To continue the current headphones thread, I am looking for some mid-range | ones to go with my newly acquired Sharp MDMT831. I was looking at the Sony | MDR-G72LP 'street style' model, and wondered if anyone's tried these and | what the general verdict is on these? Buy Koss over Sony every day of the week. The G72LP phones are about average for Sony: mushy bass and generally hollow-sounding. Try either the Koss SportaPro or KSC=35 earclips instead. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ If Happy Fun Ball begins to smoke, get Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ away immediately. Seek shelter and cover PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ head. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The rat wrote, | Buy Koss over Sony every day of the week. The subject of the thread is "headphones," and the word "headphones" appeared in the text that Rat quoted from Zaheerm, but the word still bore repeating: Buy Koss headphones over Sony every day of the week. because it needs emphasis. When it comes to some other products, such as portable radios or cassette or CD players, the opposite is true. Headphones are the only Koss product I've ever bought without virtually immediate re- gret. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I replied earlier. Here is a little more info. I have the Sony fold up noise cancelling headphones. Cost about $100. They do not completely cancel all noise, but on a plane, they remove the constant low to midrange rumble that makes it hard to listen to music on normal headphones. Without the rumble, you hear other sounds more than you would normally on a plane. For example, the guy across the aisle from me was reading a newspaper and I could hear the rustling of the paper. Before I got them, listening to my MD player on a plane was hardly worth the bother. With these headphones, it is quite pleasurable, at least for me (some people don't like to listen to music unless conditions are perfect). I don't know if it is the music or just the elimination of the rumble, but I find that I am less fatigued after a long flight since I got these headphones. If you don't have any music playing, but have the noise cancelling turned on, the rumble will still be removed but you will hear a low level white noise. I've heard that some people use them this way to reduce fatigue from flying. As far as sound quality, I'm no expert, but I'd say the sound quality is about the same as the headphones that came with my Sharp 702. I'm sure it's less than high quality headphones, but I doubt that the difference is that important on a plane -- even with the noise cancelling, there is enough extraneous noise. They are a bit less efficient than the headphones that came with the 702. When using them as regular headphones (i.e. not on a plane), I have to set the volume 2 or 3 notches higher, so the MD's battery charge won't last quite as long. However, on a plane, the noise cancelling (which, BTW, is powered by an AAA cell in the phones) permits a lower volume setting than would be needed for the stock phones, so a charge lasts longer. With the noise cancelling phones, my 702 will last for a cross country flight. Hope this helps. Karl At 09:25 PM 8/30/00 -0500, Matt wrote: Well since i'm the one who started this i'll ask another question. i'm leaning towards the sony fold up noise reducing headphones. the question is anyone who has these, how comfortable are they? and how much noise do they actually reduce? i hopefully will not need and amp, fewer components going through idiot security at airports is better. my last flight the security guy was such an idiot he actually made me make a call before i could take my phone into the airport (freggin retards). anyway if you have any more info on the headphones let me know. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === one more time around, ok, i am looking at the fold up open air noise reducing headphones, but now here is a question for ya. i actually got to listen to the sony fold up ones the MDRNC5 and i also got to listen to the Aiwa HPCN5. both were similar in sound and comfortability, but the question comes, what experiences good and bad do people have with aiwa headphones. i've owned sony before and they were ok. if aiwa's can take a good beating that would be great, but if they suck i wanna know that too. thanks matt - Original Message - From: J. C. R. Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 11:21 AM Subject: Re: MD: headphones and airplanes - Original Message - From: Matthew Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Well since i'm the one who started this i'll ask another question. i'm | leaning towards the sony fold up noise reducing headphones. the question is | anyone who has these, how comfortable are they? and how much noise do they | actually reduce? i hopefully will not need and amp, fewer components going | through idiot security at airports is better. my last flight the security | guy was such an idiot he actually made me make a call before i could take my | phone into the airport (freggin retards). anyway if you have any more info | on the headphones let me know. A set of those headphones came with my R37 and they are great! You really get wonderful sound for such a small size. I listen to a lot of orchestral music (classical and Japanese Sailormoon soundtracks) and the highs _and_ the lows are reproduced well. The cellos sound great, the cymbals sound great. I am not too sure how well they hide the sound. They aren't horrible, I know that much. Maybe someone else will be able to answer that one. J. C. R. Davis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Well since i'm the one who started this i'll ask another question. i'm leaning towards the sony fold up noise reducing headphones. the question is anyone who has these, how comfortable are they? and how much noise do they actually reduce? i hopefully will not need and amp, fewer components going through idiot security at airports is better. my last flight the security guy was such an idiot he actually made me make a call before i could take my phone into the airport (freggin retards). anyway if you have any more info on the headphones let me know. thanks matt las [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan, someone suggested a site with instructions to make your own. At $125.00, unless you have money coming out of your butt (which the originator of this thread may have since he takes an MD and DVD player with him!!) don't you think that the price to value ratio is too high? Larry That depends, Larry g I have friends who claim that any CD player over $100 has a price/value ratio that is too high. I also have friends who would argue until they're blue in the face that their $5,000 transport has a great price/value ratio. It depends on what's important to you, I guess. The Headroom amps have both an amp and their proprietary soundfield processor which, IMHO, really does make good headphones sound more like speakers and less like headphones. Plus they are designed from the ground up to be great headphone amps. I've never made one of those "do-it-yourself" amps on Headwize. I don't know how good they are compared to Headroom's amps. However, keep in mind that you have to buy the parts, you have to have the right tools, and you have to have the time to build them. Depending on the tools and parts you have, and how much your time is worth, $125 might be a better deal even if the amps are comparable in quality... - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: Matthew Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Well since i'm the one who started this i'll ask another question. i'm | leaning towards the sony fold up noise reducing headphones. the question is | anyone who has these, how comfortable are they? and how much noise do they | actually reduce? i hopefully will not need and amp, fewer components going | through idiot security at airports is better. my last flight the security | guy was such an idiot he actually made me make a call before i could take my | phone into the airport (freggin retards). anyway if you have any more info | on the headphones let me know. A set of those headphones came with my R37 and they are great! You really get wonderful sound for such a small size. I listen to a lot of orchestral music (classical and Japanese Sailormoon soundtracks) and the highs _and_ the lows are reproduced well. The cellos sound great, the cymbals sound great. I am not too sure how well they hide the sound. They aren't horrible, I know that much. Maybe someone else will be able to answer that one. J. C. R. Davis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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las [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan, someone suggested a site with instructions to make your own. At $125.00, unless you have money coming out of your butt (which the originator of this thread may have since he takes an MD and DVD player with him!!) don't you think that the price to value ratio is too high? Larry That depends, Larry g I have friends who claim that any CD player over $100 has a price/value ratio that is too high. I also have friends who would argue until they're blue in the face that their $5,000 transport has a great price/value ratio. It depends on what's important to you, I guess. The Headroom amps have both an amp and their proprietary soundfield processor which, IMHO, really does make good headphones sound more like speakers and less like headphones. Plus they are designed from the ground up to be great headphone amps. I've never made one of those "do-it-yourself" amps on Headwize. I don't know how good they are compared to Headroom's amps. However, keep in mind that you have to buy the parts, you have to have the right tools, and you have to have the time to build them. Depending on the tools and parts you have, and how much your time is worth, $125 might be a better deal even if the amps are comparable in quality... - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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las [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that you many also be able to acquire an external headphone amp. But I'm not sure how portable they are. Probably the best person to check with about that would be Len Moskowitz at Core Sound. When it comes to portable headphone amps, Headroom is THE name: http://www.headroom.com/ They sell their ultra-portable (i.e. it runs on two AA batteries) model for $100 or $125, if I remember correctly. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dan Frakes wrote: When it comes to portable headphone amps, Headroom is THE name: http://www.headroom.com/ I can't get a response from this link. Is it a good one? -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Get the Sony noise canceling phones, either the fold up or ear bud style. Makes all the difference!! They come with an adaptor so you can plug into the plane's audio system. The bud style are more effective but the over ear are comfortable for long trips. -Original Message- From: Matthew Wall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 11:50 PM Subject: MD: headphones and airplanes === The original message was multipart MIME=== === All non-text parts (attachments) have been removed === Howdy all, this is yet another headphone question, but hopefully in a = completely different way. lately i've been traveling out the wazo = via air. anyway my MD always goes with me along with my neo geo pocket = and a dvd player. ok, on with the actual question. I've been using = earbuds to listen to whatever i was using at that point. earbuds are to = me getting more and more uncomfortable to wear. anyway at home when i = use headphones i have what i consider a pretty nice set of Denon = headphones that are very comfortable. so the question comes since = portable md players really dont like dishing out that kind of power for = larger headphones for a long period of time anyone have any suggestions = for comfortable earphones that dont suck a lot of juice and sound pretty = good? yeah i know dream on. but if anyone has any suggestions please = let me know. thanks matt === MIME part removed : text/html; === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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When it comes to portable headphone amps, Headroom is THE name: http://www.headroom.com/ They sell their ultra-portable (i.e. it runs on two AA batteries) model for $100 or $125, if I remember correctly. Dan, someone suggested a site with instructions to make your own. At $125.00, unless you have money coming out of your butt (which the originator of this thread may have since he takes an MD and DVD player with him!!) don't you think that the price to value ratio is too high? Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have a pair of Grado SR-60 headphones, and I highly recommend them. I read somewhere that they give the best sound with a portable of any headphones (without an additional amplifier), and I don't doubt it. I've been very happy with them. They are comfortable, too (although I understand the earlier models weren't). The only downsides are their clunky appearance, which I don't mind, and that they don't fold up neatly for packing. And yes, they're good for traveling out the wazo via air. - Mike Howdy all, this is yet another headphone question, but hopefully in a = completely different way. lately i've been traveling out the wazo = via air. anyway my MD always goes with me along with my neo geo pocket = and a dvd player. ok, on with the actual question. I've been using = earbuds to listen to whatever i was using at that point. earbuds are to = me getting more and more uncomfortable to wear. anyway at home when i = use headphones i have what i consider a pretty nice set of Denon = headphones that are very comfortable. so the question comes since = portable md players really dont like dishing out that kind of power for = larger headphones for a long period of time anyone have any suggestions = for comfortable earphones that dont suck a lot of juice and sound pretty = good? yeah i know dream on. but if anyone has any suggestions please = let me know. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 08:16 AM 8/29/00 -0400, you wrote: Get the Sony noise canceling phones, either the fold up or ear bud style. Makes all the difference!! They come with an adaptor so you can plug into the plane's audio system. The bud style are more effective but the over ear are comfortable for long trips. I second this suggestion. I have the fold up ones and they have made flying much more tolerable. Even tho the sound quality isn't as good as high end headphones, the noise canceling is much more valuable in a plane. KG - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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"J. Coon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.headroom.com/ I can't get a response from this link. Is it a good one? Sorry, it's: http://www.headphone.com/ Their entry-level is the Airhead: http://www.headphone.com/ProductsAmplifiers/TheAirhead.asp Dan Frakes [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The Headroom website is: www.headphone.com I have done business with Headroom in the past and own two of their amps. I have a Premium amp and an Airhead amp. As for headphones for air travel I would suggest the Etymotic ER4S. They eliminate that constant drone of the engines. And whenever I get on an airplane it is for at least five hours. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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=== The original message was multipart MIME=== === All non-text parts (attachments) have been removed === Howdy all, this is yet another headphone question, but hopefully in a = completely different way. lately i've been traveling out the wazo = via air. anyway my MD always goes with me along with my neo geo pocket = and a dvd player. ok, on with the actual question. I've been using = earbuds to listen to whatever i was using at that point. earbuds are to = me getting more and more uncomfortable to wear. anyway at home when i = use headphones i have what i consider a pretty nice set of Denon = headphones that are very comfortable. so the question comes since = portable md players really dont like dishing out that kind of power for = larger headphones for a long period of time anyone have any suggestions = for comfortable earphones that dont suck a lot of juice and sound pretty = good? yeah i know dream on. but if anyone has any suggestions please = let me know. thanks matt === MIME part removed : text/html; === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Matthew Wall wrote: so the question comes since = portable md players really dont like dishing out that kind of power for = larger headphones for a long period of time anyone have any suggestions = for comfortable earphones that dont suck a lot of juice and sound pretty = good? yeah i know dream on. but if anyone has any suggestions please = let me know. Unless someone knows of a specific model, you are going to have to do some research. Like speakers, headphones all have difference efficiency . Some require large amounts of power while others will produce high volume from a small amount of power. I wish I cold be more helpful. I think that you many also be able to acquire an external headphone amp. But I'm not sure how portable they are. Probably the best person to check with about that would be Len Moskowitz at Core Sound. Larry thanks matt - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Unless someone knows of a specific model, you are going to have to do some research. Like speakers, headphones all have difference efficiency . Some require large amounts of power while others will produce high volume from a small amount of power. I wish I cold be more helpful. I think that you many also be able to acquire an external headphone amp. But I'm not sure how portable they are. Probably the best person to check with about that would be Len Moskowitz at Core Sound. A good place to look for all this sort of thing is.. http://headwize.com/ They have projects for making your own headphone amps as well as give you a better idea as to what headphones might be better... -- James Budworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ# Tsuki_yomi - 684547 The Complete Clow http://www.techserv.curtin.edu.au/tsuki_yomi/clow/clow.htm The Ranmascan Project (Australian Mirror) http://www.techserv.curtin.edu.au/ranmascan/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Headphones
What is the best model (big output, please!) of the ear-hugging/wrap-around model? I really would like to make an informed purchase. I need something that will stay put while I run, usw. Thanks. Yours, Dicky -- Dicky's Lyric of the Week: "In your satin tights ... Fighting for your rights ... the old red, white, and blue ..." - Theme from _Wonder Woman_ -- http://profiles.yahoo.com/richard_of_atlanta http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Castro/3420/ http://www.bandtools.com/search_player_details.cfm?id=626 http://homepages.tesco.net/~xwizard/richard/ ICQ #: 56224965 -*- Instant Messenger: bunnyphat - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Headphones
I've tried a lot of headphones to run and to do rollerblade... And only one was comfortable, and stay in place all the time... I found the sound very good, even excellent... It's a matter of choice however... These headphones are Sony MDR-G52LP and MDR-G72LP (personally I prefer MDR-G72LP because they are foldable). They are a bit expensive I have to confess, but they worth the price... Just to tell you, I used them since over 6 months and I will never change them... I have find other with best sound quality but they were not convenient to run, jog, do rollerblade or bicycle... Of course, I sell only those headphones... I used to sell other sony model but since they were a bit uncomfortable, I decided to never sell them again... I only sell products I used so, that's the way I do business... Good evening everybody ! Peter. -- Pierre Forest - Kheops Minidisc Owner Kheops Minidisc - your one stop shop for all your minidisc needs ! http://www.kheopsminidisc.com Blanks MD as low as $1.60 each ! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Richard Ian Träcy Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 8:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MD: Headphones What is the best model (big output, please!) of the ear-hugging/wrap-around model? I really would like to make an informed purchase. I need something that will stay put while I run, usw. Thanks. Yours, Dicky -- Dicky's Lyric of the Week: "In your satin tights ... Fighting for your rights ... the old red, white, and blue ..." - Theme from _Wonder Woman_ -- http://profiles.yahoo.com/richard_of_atlanta http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Castro/3420/ http://www.bandtools.com/search_player_details.cfm?id=626 http://homepages.tesco.net/~xwizard/richard/ ICQ #: 56224965 -*- Instant Messenger: bunnyphat - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Headphones
Richard Ian =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tr=E4cy?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the best model (big output, please!) of the ear-hugging/wrap-around model? I really would like to make an informed purchase. I need something that will stay put while I run, usw. I mentioned these yesterday, but you may have missed it. I think the Koss KSC-35 are the best "active" headphones: great sound, never fall off. They aren't "wrap-arounds" though -- they clip on to each ear. http://www.headphone.com/ProductsHeadphones/KossKSC35.asp - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Headphones
las [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are looking for a decent, but inexpensive pair of headphones, Radio Shack has their PRO 35 on sale for $20.00 (not sure when the sale will end). They regularly sell for $40. No, they are probably not worth $40. But for $20 I think that they are a good buy as an extra decent pair to have for what ever. They have a nice built in line volume control. Sturdy slide switch. Larry, if those are the 'phones I'm thinking of, you're right -- they are a good deal at $20. I think they are the replacements for an older line that was considered by many as a stellar deal when on sale. I think that may of the "boost features", like the so called "Groove" setting on many Sony products are only to compensate for the crappy "Groove" earbuds that come with the unit. LOL. No kidding. When I use the "Digital Mega Boost" on my Sony with good headphones I can't even hear the music over the pounding... - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Headphones
Sorry about the influx of replies, but I just got the digest ;-) "Peter Forest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me, as my personal choice, the best headphone are from Sony : MDR-G72LP... Why ?? Simply because they are very comfortable, the sound is good (very good in fact) and they are very affordable... They are very useful when you do some sport... When I'm going to a rollerblade ride, since I most wear an helmet, these headphone are great since they are behind my neck, not over my head... The nice thing about the Koss KSC35's is that they have no band at all. They have a lightweight full-range (not earbud) transceiver that clips onto each ear very comfortably. So they're lighter, there's no band, and nothing to adjust. I've listened to my friend's MDRs, and IMHO the Koss sound a bit better, but that's of course subjective. Which one you'll like better will eventually come down to what type of "fit" you prefer. Any of the models mentioned here over the past couple days will sound pretty good. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Headphones
Hi all, A few days ago I've bought a JVC XMR70 portable. The supplied headphones' quality is (IMHO) closer to 'crap' than anything I've heard before. The volume level is also very low. I guess the low volume is not (entirely) JVC's fault, since I tried the headphones with a Sharp MDX60 system, and I assume the Sharp definitely has the power to drive the headphones, the volume was pretty low, as well. So it's the headphones' fault, after all. I read some user somments about the JVC, that is the first thing after purchase is to buy a pair of decent headphones. OK, I'm committed to do so, but I have no idea which model/brand should I choose. Any ideas, suggestions ? Regards Andras -- Andras Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Headphones
Get Sony MDR-E888's... They are amazing!! Nathan White [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andras Simon Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 4:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MD: Headphones Hi all, A few days ago I've bought a JVC XMR70 portable. The supplied headphones' quality is (IMHO) closer to 'crap' than anything I've heard before. The volume level is also very low. I guess the low volume is not (entirely) JVC's fault, since I tried the headphones with a Sharp MDX60 system, and I assume the Sharp definitely has the power to drive the headphones, the volume was pretty low, as well. So it's the headphones' fault, after all. I read some user somments about the JVC, that is the first thing after purchase is to buy a pair of decent headphones. OK, I'm committed to do so, but I have no idea which model/brand should I choose. Any ideas, suggestions ? Regards Andras -- Andras Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Headphones
Andras Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read some user somments about the JVC, that is the first thing after purchase is to buy a pair of decent headphones. OK, I'm committed to do so, but I have no idea which model/brand should I choose. Any ideas, suggestions ? Depends on your budget, and whether you want earbuds, "active" (jogging/workout) 'phones, or good hefty headphones. Earbuds? The best there are are the Etymotics 4P/4S, but they cost $300. Sony supposedly makes some decent cheaper ones, and I've heard decent comments about the Koss "Plug." Active phones? Personally, I think the Koss KSC35 is the best there is, period. Around $35 "Regular" phones? Again, the Koss Porta-Pros, at around $45 are outstanding, and for around $70 you can get the Grado SR-60s which are IMHO, the best sub-$100 headphones out there. These two are probably the best sub-$100 deals. Again, my opinions, so no flames, please ;-) You can also checkout http://www.headphone.com/ for a retailer that specializes in top-quality headphones and accessories. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === If you are looking for a decent, but inexpensive pair of headphones, Radio Shack has their PRO 35 on sale for $20.00 (not sure when the sale will end). They regularly sell for $40. No, they are probably not worth $40. But for $20 I think that they are a good buy as an extra decent pair to have for what ever. They have a nice built in line volume control. Sturdy slide switch. I think that may of the "boost features", like the so called "Groove" setting on many Sony products are only to compensate for the crappy "Groove" earbuds that come with the unit. Larry Dan Fracas wrote: Andras Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read some user somments about the JVC, that is the first thing after purchase is to buy a pair of decent headphones. OK, I'm committed to do so, but I have no idea which model/brand should I choose. Any ideas, suggestions ? Depends on your budget, and whether you want earbuds, "active" (jogging/workout) 'phones, or good hefty headphones. Earbuds? The best there are are the Etymotics 4P/4S, but they cost $300. Sony supposedly makes some decent cheaper ones, and I've heard decent comments about the Koss "Plug." Active phones? Personally, I think the Koss KSC35 is the best there is, period. Around $35 "Regular" phones? Again, the Koss Porta-Pros, at around $45 are outstanding, and for around $70 you can get the Grado SR-60s which are IMHO, the best sub-$100 headphones out there. These two are probably the best sub-$100 deals. Again, my opinions, so no flames, please ;-) You can also checkout http://www.headphone.com/ for a retailer that specializes in top-quality headphones and accessories. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Headphones
For me, as my personal choice, the best headphone are from Sony : MDR-G72LP... Why ?? Simply because they are very comfortable, the sound is good (very good in fact) and they are very affordable... They are very useful when you do some sport... When I'm going to a rollerblade ride, since I most wear an helmet, these headphone are great since they are behind my neck, not over my head... That's my personal choice... -- Pierre Forest - Kheops Minidisc Owner Kheops Minidisc - Your one stop shop for all your minidisc needs ! http://www.kheopsminidisc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dan Frakes Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 6:43 PM To: MDList Subject: Re: MD: Headphones Andras Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read some user somments about the JVC, that is the first thing after purchase is to buy a pair of decent headphones. OK, I'm committed to do so, but I have no idea which model/brand should I choose. Any ideas, suggestions ? Depends on your budget, and whether you want earbuds, "active" (jogging/workout) 'phones, or good hefty headphones. Earbuds? The best there are are the Etymotics 4P/4S, but they cost $300. Sony supposedly makes some decent cheaper ones, and I've heard decent comments about the Koss "Plug." Active phones? Personally, I think the Koss KSC35 is the best there is, period. Around $35 "Regular" phones? Again, the Koss Porta-Pros, at around $45 are outstanding, and for around $70 you can get the Grado SR-60s which are IMHO, the best sub-$100 headphones out there. These two are probably the best sub-$100 deals. Again, my opinions, so no flames, please ;-) You can also checkout http://www.headphone.com/ for a retailer that specializes in top-quality headphones and accessories. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: headphones impedance vs battery life / yet another MS722 review
Francisco Jose Montilla wrote: I meant (sorry, english isn't my native language) that what excite the headphone transducers is a variable (AC) electrical signal. I don't have the mathematical demonstration handy, but if you go in a little deeper, you'll notice that with higher loads (i.e. impedances) peak voltage rises. Those equations assume a constant (i.e. DC) voltage. The voltage across the load will increase in proportion to the impedance if it is fed by a current source. Most amplifiers act as (effectively) VOLTAGE sources, in which case the current in the load falls as the impedance rises. My doubt is, if a 200 Ohm headphones with higher sensitivity than a 32 Ohm headphones snip which will drain more battery. I'd bet the 200 Ohm, but am not sure... I'd try to reproduce the equation development to prove the voltage raise. Good luck ! I'll be glad to see Herr Ohms' outdated law exposed for the fraud that it is :-) simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: headphones impedance vs battery life / yet another MS722 review
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, Ralph Smeets wrote: Hi! than a year...) The only portable that won't break and that is Sony is my CMC-Z1+ portable GSM phone... (of which most consumer magazines write you that the flip-down microphone will break very quickly...) BTW, I don't see http://home.worldonline.dk/~isl366/md/md.htm listed on the construction projects section on minidisc.org (although I'd swear I got that link from somewhere related to minidisc.org. It's a pretty good idea: recycle old GSM phones mics, have done something similar and it actually perform great for speech recordings! The only unexpected mis-feature I have found is the headphones sound; even when people said sharps sound greatly, i found the headphones to have a very harsh and unpleasant sound. Mids are unsanely boosted, and I (I know that is a very subjective area) don't like that at all. Is the only drawback I found on the sharp. I hate earbuds commonly found on other portables, so I don't mind too much, sony's would be worse. I tossed them away after 1 day. I replaced them with the 888's of Sony. Are they sold as a separate product? My impression is that Sony isn't very good with transducers... Here's were my question comes: Sharp headphones are 32 Ohm, I have an old walkman Aiwa headphones whose sound I like too much (in fact i tried lots of walkmans back then to find the better sounding ones). But they're 200 Ohm. My electronic knowledge have some dust on top, and I was wondering if the battery life will be shorter. My mind says that as impedance is higher, AC current *voltage* will actually be higher, and battery life will be shorter. Higher impedance: higher energy loss also... Well, U=I*R. U can't change!! So if you increase R, you decrease I. P=U*I, U doesn't change, but I get's smaller. Thus lower power consumption. Not with variable AC... Wait! I have remembered someone posted a site devoted to headphones (www.headwize.com)! Have just checked it and that's what they say (http://headwize.com/articles/hguide_art.htm#imped): --- Impedance: A measure of headphone load on an amplifier and stated in ohms. This factor is less important with solid state amplifiers, which can drive most headphone impedances, but can be significant with tube amplifiers, which are more sensitive to load impedances. Both consumer and professional headphones generally have impedances of less than 100 ohms. There are professional models rated at 200 ohms or more to minimize loading effects on distribution amplifiers which are often drive a whole bank of headphones at one time. Be aware that very high impedance phones may require more power - on the order of Watts instead of milliWatts. - mine aren't pro's, that's sure. But it seems I was on the right direction... Off course you NEED higher power to drive high quality headphones. Why? Higher quality headphones (like speakers) tend to be less efficient with the energy put into them. Ie, to get the same sound-level out of them as with normal headphones, you need to drive them with more power. However, if you connect these headphones to a portable player, you'll notice that the sound isn't as loud as a normal headphone. A 5mW amp can't put out more than 5mW! Cheers, Ralph -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then something happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: headphones impedance vs battery life / yet another MS722 review
Francisco Jose Montilla wrote: BTW, I don't see http://home.worldonline.dk/~isl366/md/md.htm listed on the construction projects section on minidisc.org (although I'd swear I got that link from somewhere related to minidisc.org. THis set up will only record mono. The one I designed is just as easy to build, and gives stereo results http://www.tir.com/~liteways/Mandolin.html#Microphone If you wanted to use old cell phone mikes, in it,it would probably work. -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: headphones impedance vs battery life / yet another MS722 review
Francisco Jose Montilla wrote: Well, U=I*R. U can't change!! So if you increase R, you decrease I. P=U*I, U doesn't change, but I get's smaller. Thus lower power consumption. Not with variable AC... Ok, here is the problem You are driving the head phone through an output stage that has an internal resistance.. The battery voltage comes through the output transistor(s), through the headphones and back to the battery. So, if the unit was designed for 32 ohm headphones, and you put 200 ohm phones on it, you have changed one leg of a voltage divider, and more of the battery voltage will develop across the headphones However, you have changed the operating point (bias) of the transistor output stage, and that can lead to clipping and distortion. You have to remember that you are dealing with a battery voltage of 4.5 to 6 volts or less, not a headphone distribution amp. Wait! I have remembered someone posted a site devoted to headphones (www.headwize.com)! Have just checked it and that's what they say (http://headwize.com/articles/hguide_art.htm#imped): --- Impedance: A measure of headphone load on an amplifier and stated in ohms. This factor is less important with solid state amplifiers, which can drive most headphone impedances, but can be significant with tube amplifiers, which are more sensitive to load impedances. Both consumer and professional headphones generally have impedances of less than 100 ohms. There are professional models rated at 200 ohms or more to minimize loading effects on distribution amplifiers which are often drive a whole bank of headphones at one time. Be aware that very high impedance phones may require more power - on the order of Watts instead of milliWatts. - mine aren't pro's, that's sure. But it seems I was on the right direction... I'd try to contact this guys to see if the can clear it. *---(*)---**-- Francisco J. Montilla System Network administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] irc: pukkaSevilleSpain INSFLUG (LiNUX) Coordinator: www.insflug.org - ftp.insflug.org - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: headphones impedance vs battery life / yet another MS722 review
On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, J. Coon wrote: Hi, BTW, I don't see http://home.worldonline.dk/~isl366/md/md.htm listed on the construction projects section on minidisc.org (although I'd swear I got that link from somewhere related to minidisc.org. THis set up will only record mono. The one I designed is just as easy to build, and gives stereo results http://www.tir.com/~liteways/Mandolin.html#Microphone If you wanted to use old cell phone mikes, in it,it would probably work. Yes, I'm aware of it! that will be the second one I build. I'm looking for good spec'ed capsules from typical PC (dirty cheap) equipment such as standalone mics or headsets, as here there is no Radio Shack nor Maplin. I'll keep you and the list reported of whatever I discover... greets, *---(*)---**-- Francisco J. Montilla System Network administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] irc: pukkaSevilleSpain INSFLUG (LiNUX) Coordinator: www.insflug.org - ftp.insflug.org - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: headphones impedance vs battery life / yet another MS722 review
On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, Ralph Smeets wrote: Hi! than a year...) The only portable that won't break and that is Sony is my CMC-Z1+ portable GSM phone... (of which most consumer magazines write you that the flip-down microphone will break very quickly...) BTW, I don't see http://home.worldonline.dk/~isl366/md/md.htm listed on the construction projects section on minidisc.org (although I'd swear I got that link from somewhere related to minidisc.org. It's a pretty good idea: recycle old GSM phones mics, have done something similar and it actually perform great for speech recordings! The only unexpected mis-feature I have found is the headphones sound; even when people said sharps sound greatly, i found the headphones to have a very harsh and unpleasant sound. Mids are unsanely boosted, and I (I know that is a very subjective area) don't like that at all. Is the only drawback I found on the sharp. I hate earbuds commonly found on other portables, so I don't mind too much, sony's would be worse. I tossed them away after 1 day. I replaced them with the 888's of Sony. Are they sold as a separate product? My impression is that Sony isn't very good with transducers... Here's were my question comes: Sharp headphones are 32 Ohm, I have an old walkman Aiwa headphones whose sound I like too much (in fact i tried lots of walkmans back then to find the better sounding ones). But they're 200 Ohm. My electronic knowledge have some dust on top, and I was wondering if the battery life will be shorter. My mind says that as impedance is higher, AC current *voltage* will actually be higher, and battery life will be shorter. Higher impedance: higher energy loss also... Well, U=I*R. U can't change!! So if you increase R, you decrease I. P=U*I, U doesn't change, but I get's smaller. Thus lower power consumption. Not with variable AC... Wait! I have remembered someone posted a site devoted to headphones (www.headwize.com)! Have just checked it and that's what they say (http://headwize.com/articles/hguide_art.htm#imped): --- Impedance: A measure of headphone load on an amplifier and stated in ohms. This factor is less important with solid state amplifiers, which can drive most headphone impedances, but can be significant with tube amplifiers, which are more sensitive to load impedances. Both consumer and professional headphones generally have impedances of less than 100 ohms. There are professional models rated at 200 ohms or more to minimize loading effects on distribution amplifiers which are often drive a whole bank of headphones at one time. Be aware that very high impedance phones may require more power - on the order of Watts instead of milliWatts. - mine aren't pro's, that's sure. But it seems I was on the right direction... I'd try to contact this guys to see if the can clear it. *---(*)---**-- Francisco J. Montilla System Network administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] irc: pukkaSevilleSpain INSFLUG (LiNUX) Coordinator: www.insflug.org - ftp.insflug.org - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: headphones impedance vs battery life / yet another MS722 review
On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, Simon Barnes wrote: Hi, Francisco Jose Montilla wrote: (in reply to Jim Coon) That doesn't happen in the amp/transducer world, AFAIK. Here weren't working with DC, is variable Hz AC, and what Sorry Francisco, I'm having a lot of difficulty in understanding what you are trying to say. Jim's equation works with AC or DC. actually happens if my memory serves me well is that current voltage increases, and power decreases. (hence my doubt). What is "current voltage" ? Power = current * voltage. I meant (sorry, english isn't my native language) that what excite the headphone transducers is a variable (AC) electrical signal. I don't have the mathematical demonstration handy, but if you go in a little deeper, you'll notice that with higher loads (i.e. impedances) peak voltage rises. Those equations assume a constant (i.e. DC) voltage. That's why amps tend to produce better sound when using higher impedances. I'd like to see some evidence for this. I suspect the impedance only really affects the volume (More impedance = less power) Not exactly. Less intensity (the I in Power = Voltage * Intensity, dunno what are the variable names used in english). Higher impedance, less distortion (i.e. less intensity), more definition and sharper sound (more Voltage). My doubt is, if a 200 Ohm headphones with higher sensitivity than a 32 Ohm headphones (I mean, so that with a given volume setting, you perceive equal volume level pluging anyone) which will drain more battery. I'd bet the 200 Ohm, but am not sure... I'd try to reproduce the equation development to prove the voltage raise. greets, *---(*)---**-- Francisco J. Montilla System Network administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] irc: pukkaSevilleSpain INSFLUG (LiNUX) Coordinator: www.insflug.org - ftp.insflug.org - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: headphones impedance vs battery life / yet another MS722 review
On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, J. Coon wrote: Hi, Here's were my question comes: Sharp headphones are 32 Ohm, I have an old walkman Aiwa headphones whose sound I like too much (in fact i tried lots of walkmans back then to find the better sounding ones). But they're 200 Ohm. My electronic knowledge have some dust on top, and I was wondering if the battery life will be shorter. My mind says that as impedance is higher, AC current *voltage* will actually be higher, and battery life will be shorter. Higher impedance: higher energy loss also... The basic equation is V = ZI where V is the voltage, Z is the impedance, and I is the current. Power = I^2 * Z Increasing the impedance will lower the current, decrease power consumption, and the volume. That doesn't happen in the amp/transducer world, AFAIK. Here weren't working with DC, is variable Hz AC, and what actually happens if my memory serves me well is that current voltage increases, and power decreases. (hence my doubt). That's why amps tend to produce better sound when using higher impedances. greets, *---(*)---**-- Francisco J. Montilla System Network administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] irc: pukkaSevilleSpain INSFLUG (LiNUX) Coordinator: www.insflug.org - ftp.insflug.org - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: headphones impedance vs battery life / yet another MS722 review
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I'm the happy owner now of a Sharp MS-722. All other MD equipment I have is Sony. But this time I saw very clear that Sony wasn't competitive in this area; first, slot-in mechanism is far more robust than the clam-shell one, second battery life can't compare. I'm also very fond of Sony pointless attitude, marketing lies, and prepotent behaviour. I've got a 702... main reason was the problems I had with Sony portables (4 walkmans -tape... yuks-, 1 discman. All lived just a little bit longer than a year...) The only portable that won't break and that is Sony is my CMC-Z1+ portable GSM phone... (of which most consumer magazines write you that the flip-down microphone will break very quickly...) I read a lot of reviews of almost every portable unit I came across. People cleared out that the typical 7xx problems (TOC problems, etc) were only on earlier models. Got my 702 for two years now. No problems at all. Discs recorded on my MDS-S38 can be edited on my 702 and visa versa. Sharp has done it's marketing rigth. They've integrated all electronics into one chip (that's what you call LSI) and that cut's the cost. So the 7xx was cheaper than it's equivelent. Result: more units where demanded than Sharp could deliver. Thus a production increase, less quality control and Sharp found themself with a lot of units returned. Finaly they got their stuff back together and the quality is good again. (This is MY analysis of the UTOC problem after beening for more than two years on this list! It's like the Malysian build 510 of Sony!) The only unexpected mis-feature I have found is the headphones sound; even when people said sharps sound greatly, i found the headphones to have a very harsh and unpleasant sound. Mids are unsanely boosted, and I (I know that is a very subjective area) don't like that at all. Is the only drawback I found on the sharp. I hate earbuds commonly found on other portables, so I don't mind too much, sony's would be worse. I tossed them away after 1 day. I replaced them with the 888's of Sony. Here's were my question comes: Sharp headphones are 32 Ohm, I have an old walkman Aiwa headphones whose sound I like too much (in fact i tried lots of walkmans back then to find the better sounding ones). But they're 200 Ohm. My electronic knowledge have some dust on top, and I was wondering if the battery life will be shorter. My mind says that as impedance is higher, AC current *voltage* will actually be higher, and battery life will be shorter. Higher impedance: higher energy loss also... could anyone clear that? I'm lost... greets, Well, U=I*R. U can't change!! So if you increase R, you decrease I. P=U*I, U doesn't change, but I get's smaller. Thus lower power consumption. Cheers, Ralph -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then something happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: headphones impedance vs battery life / yet another MS722 review
Hi! I'm the happy owner now of a Sharp MS-722. All other MD equipment I have is Sony. But this time I saw very clear that Sony wasn't competitive in this area; first, slot-in mechanism is far more robust than the clam-shell one, second battery life can't compare. I'm also very fond of Sony pointless attitude, marketing lies, and prepotent behaviour. I read a lot of reviews of almost every portable unit I came across. People cleared out that the typical 7xx problems (TOC problems, etc) were only on earlier models. The only unexpected mis-feature I have found is the headphones sound; even when people said sharps sound greatly, i found the headphones to have a very harsh and unpleasant sound. Mids are unsanely boosted, and I (I know that is a very subjective area) don't like that at all. Is the only drawback I found on the sharp. I hate earbuds commonly found on other portables, so I don't mind too much, sony's would be worse. Here's were my question comes: Sharp headphones are 32 Ohm, I have an old walkman Aiwa headphones whose sound I like too much (in fact i tried lots of walkmans back then to find the better sounding ones). But they're 200 Ohm. My electronic knowledge have some dust on top, and I was wondering if the battery life will be shorter. My mind says that as impedance is higher, AC current *voltage* will actually be higher, and battery life will be shorter. Higher impedance: higher energy loss also... could anyone clear that? I'm lost... greets, *---(*)---**-- Francisco J. Montilla System Network administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] irc: pukkaSevilleSpain INSFLUG (LiNUX) Coordinator: www.insflug.org - ftp.insflug.org - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: headphones: down to 2
Regarding my last post thread on best headphones.I order the Koss Portapros for my small headphones, but now I am down to 2 choices for the full size, either the Grado SR60 or the Sennheiser 490's. What so you guys think? I have heard through many sites that the Grado's are the best [for portable players] but that they are uncomfortable. I can't find any local dealer where I live that carry the Grados for me to try them out. I have however been able to find and try out the Sennheisers and I must say I found them very light and comfortable. I thought the sound was very good as well. Anybody own the Grados that can comment on the sound and comfort of these headphones?? I can get the Grados for $69 and the Sennheisers for @$80. SOwhich one should I get? I would like a headphone that has very good bass response as not to get that "treblely" headphone sound, but I don't want a pair of phones that are uncomfortable to wear.. -Thanks for any help -Trace __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: headphones: down to 2
Hey Guys, I checked out a lot of headphones, and eventually went for the Beyer Dynamic DT831. Perhaps the best sound I've ever heard. An ear massage that kept making you want to turn it up louder and never take them off. Two probs though (1) they're massive! and (2) my Sony MZ-R55 couldn't drive them (I didn't want the additional hassle of headphone amplifiers). I continued searching and eventually after many many more soundchecks, went for the Sony MDR D77, at around 120 quid Sterling. I think they are called the MDR D55 in the U.S. - probably the same cost but in $. I joined this thread late so please ignore this if it's been covered before. Cheers, Max. Tracy Doyle wrote: Regarding my last post thread on best headphones.I order the Koss Portapros for my small headphones, but now I am down to 2 choices for the full size, either the Grado SR60 or the Sennheiser 490's. What so you guys think? I have heard through many sites that the Grado's are the best [for portable players] but that they are uncomfortable. I can't find any local dealer where I live that carry the Grados for me to try them out. I have however been able to find and try out the Sennheisers and I must say I found them very light and comfortable. I thought the sound was very good as well. Anybody own the Grados that can comment on the sound and comfort of these headphones?? I can get the Grados for $69 and the Sennheisers for @$80. SOwhich one should I get? I would like a headphone that has very good bass response as not to get that "treblely" headphone sound, but I don't want a pair of phones that are uncomfortable to wear.. -Thanks for any help -Trace __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: headphones: down to 2
Regarding my last post thread on best headphones.I order the Koss Portapros for my small headphones, are they the ones which fold up? Christopher Spalding Genius, generally excellent and gifted person. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: headphones: down to 2
"Tracy Doyle" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody own the Grados that can comment on the sound and comfort of these headphones?? I can get the Grados for $69 and the Sennheisers for @$80. SOwhich one should I get? I would like a headphone that has very good bass response as not to get that "treblely" headphone sound, but I don't want a pair of phones that are uncomfortable to wear.. I have a pair of the Grados, and have used the Senns. IMO, it comes down to this: the Grados sound better (including bass, especially when driven from a portable), but the Sennheisers are more comfortable. So you'll have to make the choice based on how much you value those two factors. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
