Re: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications

[Rick Knoble]

I have a Holiday Inn Express down the street.

Rick Knoble 
'85 300 CD

'87 190 DT

[MBZ] O.T. Qualifications

[Frederick W Moir]

Hi, All.
I spent 1959-62 at No. 1 Radio School, R.A.F. Locking as an 
apprentice where I graduated 23 out of 142 and thus fully qualified 
to be an idiot stick pilot.

TTFN
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
It's Tommy this
an' Tommy that
and "chuck 'im out, the brute:.
R.K.

Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles

[LarryT]

It was released in 1894 so the West was essentially won although by then 
although there continued to be minor skirmishes - Poncho Via (sp?) for one 
and I believe Teddy Roosevelt used some during the San Juan unpleasantness 
although the mod 1903 bolt action was the standard USA issue.  Some powers 
that (used to) be believed soldiers would waste ammo if given the means to 
lay down a lot of lead!  The opposite is preferable, of course.  Anyway, - 
the Mod. 94 is the last iteration of the Winchester Level action - the same 
design continued to be produced until the early 90s although Win modified it 
somewhat to attract new customers.  I have one called Ranger in 30-30 which 
is the same as the old Mod. 94 except for lacking the hooded front sight and 
having slightly shorter barrel. Similar mods were released occassional 
during the years since 1894.  At least that's how I remember it without 
having to resort to the history books -- 

The Winchester factory in Conn. recently closed its doors for good it 
appears.


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Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:05 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles. was Kettle, pot, black,this is getting old 
real quick




So, where does the Winchester 94 fit in the scheme of things historical?

On 10/25/06, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

1873 winchester repeating rifles.  the guns that won the west.

when the james-younger gang went to northfield, MN, to rob the bank, the
locals met them with 1873 winchesters.  guess who won that fight?

sadly, lever action cavalry guns are no longer made under the winchester
name.  the tradition is hard to kill, though, and many continue to make
them, most notably Marlin.  lightweight, easy handling and very fast for
their time (but not fast for today, so don't take your lever gun to shoot 
it

out against gang bangers with full auto AK-47s), they remain today a very
useful "brush" gun and are as good as anything at all inside of 100 
yards.





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Re: [MBZ] How about an engine-swap-a-thon at the RustyQ?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Hell, I can throw the cherry picker in the back of the truck(assuming 
the waterpump is fixed by then, another story), and we can get busy. 
Hopefully Alan sends pics soon


Kevin J. Slater wrote:


How about this for a new topic of discussion:

Kleb goes to the RustyQ via Tennessee and drives Duff's forward-only 240D
over to the RustyQ to swap it's engine into the parts 240D that Rusty
apparently gave to Kleb last year. The gang all pitches in to see how
quickly the job can be completed once Kleb rolls up in the forward-only
240D..

Now that would be an adventure!

...Kevin


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[MBZ] Might be driving the firetruck to the Q

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Well last night the fancy Duramax decided to lose its waterpump.  Its at 
the dealer now, told them it has to be done first thing in the morning. 
 We shall see.  Might end up having to drive the firetruck suburban down.

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Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, Final warning before entire list goes into moderation state

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

did you let him know?

Bob Rentfro wrote:


I'll let him know...

Bob Rentfro



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Re: [MBZ] OT but at least not the Kettle, pot, black

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Now this is the gary we all know and love.

Gary Hurst wrote:


when i moved to atlanta, i moved to what appeared to be a very nice
apartment complex in norcross.

people moved out.  less nice people moved in.  i didn't pay it any real
attention.

in short order, it became a slum.  it wasn't that bad for me as i was ok
with most of my neighbors, except the crackheads would get on my nerves.
(one woman bangs on my door at 2AM screaming it's an emergency and she needs
to use my phone.  so i give her my phone.  at 2:30, the phone is not
returned, so i go outside to see what is going on.  she is sitting on my
steps with her 2 young children and a phone book desperately trying to order
pizza.)

violence became a matter of course.  one hot summer night, a friendly
discussion amongst the drug addicts became a heated debate over whether
shaka zulu or mike tyson was a greater hero and roll model.  both sides
presented interesting arguments, but there was too much passion over this
issue and the next thing you know, someone is stabbed.

and then came the coup de grace for me.  the drug trade in the complex was
pretty well organized and generally went on without incident.  everyone knew
where they stood.  however, a new fellow moved in next door to me, and he
felt he could independently distribute drugs from his apartment.  i suppose
it was silly of him to think this as such franchises are generally well
protected once allocated, but he just went and did it anyway.

so one of the other guys came to shoot him.  but he was ready.  and the two
met to settle their difference.  one was on one side of the 250 and the
other on the other side.  they emptied their clips moving around my car.
both were hit and bleeding on the ground.

naturally, i found this situation pretty stressful, so i went to my car to
get one of the cigarettes i kept there.  a very nice detective asked me what
exactly i was doing.  i explained that he needn't worry as i am the owner of
the car.  he was dumbfounded by my reply, but politely explained that one
cannot simply enter a crime scene and go get a smoke, even if one is the
rightful owner of the vehicle.

and then came a moment of epiphany.  i asked him how long it should take
before i might get a cig.  he explained that it all depends on whether
either chap dies.  if one dies, then they will be there all night and will
conduct a proper investigation.  if no one dies, they will pack up and go
home and it will be as if nothing ever happened.  in a few minutes, the
hospital called and informed the detective that no one appears to have life
threatening injuries, so they packed up the investigation and left.  i got
my cig and pondered the absurdity of thinking that i have a country anymore.

i moved shortly thereafter.




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Re: [MBZ] Another Transmission Problem

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

oh no, not another transmission thread.

BIll Phelps wrote:


Thanks to all who answer my original request. Taking your advice, I checked
the selector.
All  OK there. Dropped the tranny pan last Saturday. There were no debris
present. The fluid
was clear  though slightly dark with a mid burnt smell.The filter appeared
to almost completely
blocked so I figured I had the problem in  hand. I inspected the visible
parts and all seemed in
order.

Fluid from the torque was also devoid of any debris.

After cleaning the pan and buttoning the tranny up, I installed new Mobil1
atf. Fired up the car and..
no change.

Still no forward or reverse at any rpm.

Are there any further thoughts?

 Regards,

 Bill Phelps
 Annapolis, MD

85 300SD Beeker
85 300SD Parts

Original Message

Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:03 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Another Transmission Problem


I have a problem with my 85 300SD transmission that I would like to
explore.  The transmission and torque converter were replaced in
Oct 2003. It has logged 30k miles. I bought it from Rusty. It is filled
with Mobil1Synthetic fluid.

It has been performing flawlessly until recently.

In the past few weeks, I noticed the forward shifts, all of them, where
 harsher than  in the past. I attributed this to vacuum and made a note
to go over the  vac system soon. However, yesterday I parked the car
and made a quick dash into a store. I returned to the car, fired it up,
put it in drive, but the transmission  did not engage.  Not forward or
 reverse. Revving up the engine makes no difference. Fluid level
fine, nice and pink.

Other than the harsher shifts, there were no other symptoms, sounds,
on-the-road problems, or fluid leaks. It simply stopped working.

Does this sound like a valve body seal problem? Maybe a bad torque
converter? Modulator?

Regards,
Bill Phelps


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles

[Gary Hurst]

yes, closed doors.  there are lots of efforts to find someone to take
over, so there is some hope.

the 94 was a john browning design and would be the lever action we
would generally have the greatest familiarity with. it's a sweet gun,
but you find most of them in 30-30, which is just not that interesting
a cartridge for me.

the gun is of such worth that it was produced up until the factory
closed its doors a few months ago.  so many of brownings guns are as
useful today as they day they were first produced.  i mean, is there
really a better pistol than the 1911?

On 10/25/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

It was released in 1894 so the West was essentially won although by then
although there continued to be minor skirmishes - Poncho Via (sp?) for one
and I believe Teddy Roosevelt used some during the San Juan unpleasantness
although the mod 1903 bolt action was the standard USA issue.  Some powers
that (used to) be believed soldiers would waste ammo if given the means to
lay down a lot of lead!  The opposite is preferable, of course.  Anyway, -
the Mod. 94 is the last iteration of the Winchester Level action - the same
design continued to be produced until the early 90s although Win modified it
somewhat to attract new customers.  I have one called Ranger in 30-30 which
is the same as the old Mod. 94 except for lacking the hooded front sight and
having slightly shorter barrel. Similar mods were released occassional
during the years since 1894.  At least that's how I remember it without
having to resort to the history books --

The Winchester factory in Conn. recently closed its doors for good it
appears.

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:05 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles. was Kettle, pot, black,this is getting old
real quick


> So, where does the Winchester 94 fit in the scheme of things historical?
>
> On 10/25/06, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 1873 winchester repeating rifles.  the guns that won the west.
>>
>> when the james-younger gang went to northfield, MN, to rob the bank, the
>> locals met them with 1873 winchesters.  guess who won that fight?
>>
>> sadly, lever action cavalry guns are no longer made under the winchester
>> name.  the tradition is hard to kill, though, and many continue to make
>> them, most notably Marlin.  lightweight, easy handling and very fast for
>> their time (but not fast for today, so don't take your lever gun to shoot
>> it
>> out against gang bangers with full auto AK-47s), they remain today a very
>> useful "brush" gun and are as good as anything at all inside of 100
>> yards.
>>
>
>
> --
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> Norman, OK
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> exhausted all the alternatives."
> Sir Winston Churchill
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Re: [MBZ] Might be driving the firetruck to the Q

[Luther Gulseth]

sounds like you need the master of schmooze (me) to get the shop working in 
your favor.  Today, a truck blew out a wheel seal less than 5 miles from the 
International dealer in Louisville, KY.  He was on the way to pick up a load of 
parts (that was already close to late) for Nissan headed to the plant in 
Smyrna, TN.  OOP$.  Called the shop there and the service writer told me it 
would be mid-way into second shift before they could work on the truck.  OUCH.  
That could cost u$ $10,000-20,000 (depend$ on how much a DC-9 is going for that 
day) if the truck's not fixed before then.  So, I waited about 20 minutes, and 
called the service manager and explained the situation to him.  Hearing that it 
could cost one of IHC's large (and loyal) customers $10-20k if the load of 
Nissan parts shut down their plant, he said he would get the truck right in.  
70 minutes later the truck was fixed and they were calling me for the $55.60 
bill.  Sweet success, and I have the dispatchers bowing at!
  my  
feet.  MMM, Power :D

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:04:20 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well last night the fancy Duramax decided to lose its waterpump.  Its at
> the dealer now, told them it has to be done first thing in the morning.
>   We shall see.  Might end up having to drive the firetruck suburban down.



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'82 300CD (162 kmi)
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles

[Hendrik Riessen]

oh no, not another gun thread...

Hendrik
who is taking the piss

- Original Message - 
From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles



It was released in 1894 so the West was essentially won although by then
although there continued to be minor skirmishes - Poncho Via (sp?) for one
and I believe Teddy Roosevelt used some during the San Juan unpleasantness
although the mod 1903 bolt action was the standard USA issue.  Some powers
that (used to) be believed soldiers would waste ammo if given the means to
lay down a lot of lead!  The opposite is preferable, of course.  Anyway, -
the Mod. 94 is the last iteration of the Winchester Level action - the 
same
design continued to be produced until the early 90s although Win modified 
it
somewhat to attract new customers.  I have one called Ranger in 30-30 
which
is the same as the old Mod. 94 except for lacking the hooded front sight 
and

having slightly shorter barrel. Similar mods were released occassional
during the years since 1894.  At least that's how I remember it without
having to resort to the history books -- 


The Winchester factory in Conn. recently closed its doors for good it
appears.

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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- Original Message - 
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:05 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles. was Kettle, pot, black,this is getting old
real quick



So, where does the Winchester 94 fit in the scheme of things historical?

On 10/25/06, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

1873 winchester repeating rifles.  the guns that won the west.

when the james-younger gang went to northfield, MN, to rob the bank, the
locals met them with 1873 winchesters.  guess who won that fight?

sadly, lever action cavalry guns are no longer made under the winchester
name.  the tradition is hard to kill, though, and many continue to make
them, most notably Marlin.  lightweight, easy handling and very fast for
their time (but not fast for today, so don't take your lever gun to 
shoot

it
out against gang bangers with full auto AK-47s), they remain today a 
very

useful "brush" gun and are as good as anything at all inside of 100
yards.




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Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles

[Gary Hurst]

yeah, i don't know.  it's all one continuum to me.  cars, guns, computers,
watches, futbol.  just sort of flows, man.

and i don't even do drugs!


On 10/25/06, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


oh no, not another gun thread...

Hendrik
who is taking the piss

- Original Message -
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles


> It was released in 1894 so the West was essentially won although by then
> although there continued to be minor skirmishes - Poncho Via (sp?) for
one
> and I believe Teddy Roosevelt used some during the San Juan
unpleasantness
> although the mod 1903 bolt action was the standard USA issue.  Some
powers
> that (used to) be believed soldiers would waste ammo if given the means
to
> lay down a lot of lead!  The opposite is preferable, of course.  Anyway,
-
> the Mod. 94 is the last iteration of the Winchester Level action - the
> same
> design continued to be produced until the early 90s although Win
modified
> it
> somewhat to attract new customers.  I have one called Ranger in 30-30
> which
> is the same as the old Mod. 94 except for lacking the hooded front sight
> and
> having slightly shorter barrel. Similar mods were released occassional
> during the years since 1894.  At least that's how I remember it without
> having to resort to the history books --
>
> The Winchester factory in Conn. recently closed its doors for good it
> appears.
>
> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
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> - Original Message -
> From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:05 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles. was Kettle, pot, black,this is getting
old
> real quick
>
>
>> So, where does the Winchester 94 fit in the scheme of things
historical?
>>
>> On 10/25/06, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> 1873 winchester repeating rifles.  the guns that won the west.
>>>
>>> when the james-younger gang went to northfield, MN, to rob the bank,
the
>>> locals met them with 1873 winchesters.  guess who won that fight?
>>>
>>> sadly, lever action cavalry guns are no longer made under the
winchester
>>> name.  the tradition is hard to kill, though, and many continue to
make
>>> them, most notably Marlin.  lightweight, easy handling and very fast
for
>>> their time (but not fast for today, so don't take your lever gun to
>>> shoot
>>> it
>>> out against gang bangers with full auto AK-47s), they remain today a
>>> very
>>> useful "brush" gun and are as good as anything at all inside of 100
>>> yards.
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> OK Don, KD5NRO
>> Norman, OK
>> "The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've
>> exhausted all the alternatives."
>> Sir Winston Churchill
>> '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles

[Jim Cathey]

the 94 was a john browning design and would be the lever action we
would generally have the greatest familiarity with. it's a sweet gun,
but you find most of them in 30-30, which is just not that interesting
a cartridge for me.


I have one in .44 mag.  I like .44 mag, don't ask me why.  I prefer
the medium loads, not the hot stuff.  If I was after deer, the 30-30
would be a better choice (in 94's) I'm sure.  I don't have one of
those, but I do have a pot-gun in 45-70/.22 that's probably good
for taking rabbit-chasing deer.  Get the rabbit for lunch, and
the deer for dinner!  (I don't hunt, however.  Only old Mercedes.)


useful today as they day they were first produced.  i mean, is there
really a better pistol than the 1911?


Sure.  Depends on your purpose, of course.  For swimming armed in
salt water it's hard to beat a Glock, for example.  For pure esthetics,
though, the 1911 is pretty sweet.  Your best bet is to own one of
everything!

-- Jim

[MBZ] sluggish running 300Se.

[M.Afzaal.Khan]

the 300Se /103 engine seems to be sluggish from idle to about 2200RPM, then the 
 acceleration is quite brisk.

the engine has  freshly replaced  electric consumables  including the throttle 
plate potentiometer, fuel pump and filter.

I have slightly leaned out then richened the mixture but still,around 2200 RMP 
is  the point when the engine becomes  brisk and eager to pull to the limit.  
Is it a erratic  EHA unit ?
Input will be most appreciated
thanks 
mak
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Iron equals wear on steel or cast iron parts, but if it is indeed 20%
less than the last oil change, you may be correct.

You may also be seeing less wear, too.  It's not carbon being released
so much a "hard sludge" being dissolved, though.

Peter

Re: [MBZ] sluggish running 300Se.

[Peter Frederick]

Check the timing chain, they dont' last all that long in an M103 
(single row chain!), and your symptoms sound a great deal like late 
valve timing -- the power is still there, but it doesn't show up until 
high rpm.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] sluggish running 300Se.

[M.Afzaal.Khan]

Thanks  will do so .
mak


Check the timing chain, they dont' last all that long in an M103
(single row chain!), and your symptoms sound a great deal like late
valve timing -- the power is still there, but it doesn't show up until
high rpm.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles

[Mike Canfield]

Gary,
 Thought the 1911 was made by Colt..

Mike
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yes, closed doors.  there are lots of efforts to find someone to take
over, so there is some hope.

the 94 was a john browning design and would be the lever action we
would generally have the greatest familiarity with. it's a sweet gun,
but you find most of them in 30-30, which is just not that interesting
a cartridge for me.

the gun is of such worth that it was produced up until the factory
closed its doors a few months ago.  so many of brownings guns are as
useful today as they day they were first produced.  i mean, is there
really a better pistol than the 1911?

On 10/25/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

It was released in 1894 so the West was essentially won although by then
although there continued to be minor skirmishes - Poncho Via (sp?) for 
one
and I believe Teddy Roosevelt used some during the San Juan 
unpleasantness
although the mod 1903 bolt action was the standard USA issue.  Some 
powers
that (used to) be believed soldiers would waste ammo if given the means 
to
lay down a lot of lead!  The opposite is preferable, of course. 
 Anyway, -
the Mod. 94 is the last iteration of the Winchester Level action - the 
same
design continued to be produced until the early 90s although Win modified 
it
somewhat to attract new customers.  I have one called Ranger in 30-30 
which
is the same as the old Mod. 94 except for lacking the hooded front sight 
and

having slightly shorter barrel. Similar mods were released occassional
during the years since 1894.  At least that's how I remember it without
having to resort to the history books --

The Winchester factory in Conn. recently closed its doors for good it
appears.

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old

real quick


> So, where does the Winchester 94 fit in the scheme of things 
> historical?

>
> On 10/25/06, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 1873 winchester repeating rifles.  the guns that won the west.
>>
>> when the james-younger gang went to northfield, MN, to rob the bank, 
>> the

>> locals met them with 1873 winchesters.  guess who won that fight?
>>
>> sadly, lever action cavalry guns are no longer made under the 
>> winchester
>> name.  the tradition is hard to kill, though, and many continue to 
>> make
>> them, most notably Marlin.  lightweight, easy handling and very fast 
>> for
>> their time (but not fast for today, so don't take your lever gun to 
>> shoot

>> it
>> out against gang bangers with full auto AK-47s), they remain today a 
>> very

>> useful "brush" gun and are as good as anything at all inside of 100
>> yards.
>>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] How about an engine-swap-a-thon at the RustyQ?

[Mike Canfield]

Fold it up
Put it in the 'Burban
or tie it to the roof.
You are from OK after all..

Lots of room.

Mike
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Hell, I can throw the cherry picker in the back of the truck(assuming
the waterpump is fixed by then, another story), and we can get busy.
Hopefully Alan sends pics soon

Kevin J. Slater wrote:


How about this for a new topic of discussion:

Kleb goes to the RustyQ via Tennessee and drives Duff's forward-only 240D
over to the RustyQ to swap it's engine into the parts 240D that Rusty
apparently gave to Kleb last year. The gang all pitches in to see how
quickly the job can be completed once Kleb rolls up in the forward-only
240D..

Now that would be an adventure!

...Kevin


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Re: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications

[andrew strasfogel]

Hey OK Don, I am skeptical of your fractional "accomplishments".  Somewhere
in there you had to achieve 100 percent of a B.A. degree.

I can!  Since you mention it, I achieved 1/16 of a B.S. in chemistry, which
is 11/16 more pitiful than your failure to reach closure.

Also, my undergrad Geology degree is a B.A. and not a B.S. - how sad is
that?

< wrote:


I have a Holiday Inn Express down the street.

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Re: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications

[BillR]

100% of a doctorate in third world development and human rights - providing
absolutely nothing to do with mechanical knowledge except an appreciation of
those who can work on them, and a bit of what is appropriate in a
development project.  
Just about any doctorate [out of the sciences/engineering] is an admission
of having a compulsive disorder of some sort IMHO.
BillR
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Ha! 15/16ths of a bachelors in philosophy and 3/4ths of a bachelors in
chemistry - trump that!

On 10/25/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2/3 of a Masters in Geology.  Take that!
>


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[MBZ] 1990 300SE - Head Gasket

[rmcmail]

Dear Mz Friends,
I have an offer to replace a head gasket on my 1990 300SE at $1,000. How does 
that sound? 
What's the probability of the head being warped? The car overheated but never 
pegged the temp guage. I have oil mixed in the anti-freeze but not the other 
way around. 
If the head is warped - what additional costs can I expect (i.e. to have the 
same shop do it when it is down with the head gasket replacement?
Thanks very much,
Les
Boston

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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:02:29 -0700
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> the 94 was a john browning design and would be the lever action we
> would generally have the greatest familiarity with. it's a sweet gun,
> but you find most of them in 30-30, which is just not that interesting
> a cartridge for me.

I have one in .44 mag. I like .44 mag, don't ask me why. I prefer
the medium loads, not the hot stuff. If I was after deer, the 30-30
would be a better choice (in 94's) I'm sure. I don't have one of
those, but I do have a pot-gun in 45-70/.22 that's probably good
for taking rabbit-chasing deer. Get the rabbit for lunch, and
the deer for dinner! (I don't hunt, however. Only old Mercedes.)

> useful today as they day they were first produced. i mean, is there
> really a better pistol than the 1911?

Sure. Depends on your purpose, of course. For swimming armed in
salt water it's hard to beat a Glock, for example. For pure esthetics,
though, the 1911 is pretty sweet. Your best bet is to own one of
everything!

-- Jim




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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:29:43 +0500
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the 300Se /103 engine seems to be sluggish from idle to about 2200RPM, then the 
acceleration is quite brisk.

the engine has freshly replaced electric consumables including the throttle 
plate potentiometer, fuel pump and filter.

I have slightly leaned out then richened the mixture but still,around 2200 RMP 
is the point when the engine becomes brisk and eager to pull to the limit. Is 
it a erratic EHA unit ?
Input will be most appreciated
thanks 
mak

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Iron equals wear on steel or cast iron parts, but if it is indeed 20% 
less than the last oil change, you may be correct.

You may also be seeing less wear, too. It's not carbon being released 
so much a "hard sludge" being dissolved, though.

Peter




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Check the timing chain, they dont' last all that long in an M103 
(single row chain!), and your symptoms sound a great deal like late 
valve timing -- the power is still there, but it doesn't show up until 
high rpm.

Peter




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Thanks will do so .
mak

> Check the timing chain, they dont' last all that long in an M103
> (single row chain!), and your symptoms sound a great deal like late
> valve timing -- the power is still there, but it doesn't show up until
> high rpm.
>
> Peter
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[MBZ] Fw: Old Mercedes Spotted

[Robert Massmann]

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Spotted this in Wilmington, Ohio yesturday.  Photo attached. Hopefully 
Kaleb

will let it be posted.  My guess it is a mid fifties 300Sc Caborlet. Not
quite sure what such a nice car is doing sitting outside.

Regards,
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles

[Curt Raymond]

Of all the guns my Dad owns there are only 3 I really care about and they're 
all Winchester lever guns.
2 model 94s, one is serial number 5,xxx in 38-55, fully octagonal barrel, no 
hood on the front sight.
The other is later but has the very rare semi-octagonal barrel its chambered in 
32 Winchester.

The third rifle is a model 71 in .348 Winchester that I used when I shot a 
moose in '99.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:15:44 -0400
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yes, closed doors.  there are lots of efforts to find someone to take
over, so there is some hope.

the 94 was a john browning design and would be the lever action we
would generally have the greatest familiarity with. it's a sweet gun,
but you find most of them in 30-30, which is just not that interesting
a cartridge for me.

the gun is of such worth that it was produced up until the factory
closed its doors a few months ago.  so many of brownings guns are as
useful today as they day they were first produced.  i mean, is there
really a better pistol than the 1911?


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THAT is a beautiful vehicle. If only...

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> Spotted this in Wilmington, Ohio yesturday.  Photo attached. Hopefully

> Kaleb
> will let it be posted.  My guess it is a mid fifties 300Sc Caborlet.
Not
> quite sure what such a nice car is doing sitting outside.
>
> Regards,
> Robert Massmann
> Wilmington, Ohio
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles

[Potter, Tom E]

My dad had a lever action Winchester 38-40 for a while. I remember it
having an octagonal barrel, and it used a short cartridge. It was nice,
but we could not use it for hunting in the lowlands of NC. 

Tom Potter

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Of all the guns my Dad owns there are only 3 I really care about and
they're all Winchester lever guns.
2 model 94s, one is serial number 5,xxx in 38-55, fully octagonal
barrel, no hood on the front sight.
The other is later but has the very rare semi-octagonal barrel its
chambered in 32 Winchester.

The third rifle is a model 71 in .348 Winchester that I used when I shot
a moose in '99.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:15:44 -0400
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yes, closed doors.  there are lots of efforts to find someone to take
over, so there is some hope.

the 94 was a john browning design and would be the lever action we
would generally have the greatest familiarity with. it's a sweet gun,
but you find most of them in 30-30, which is just not that interesting
a cartridge for me.

the gun is of such worth that it was produced up until the factory
closed its doors a few months ago.  so many of brownings guns are as
useful today as they day they were first produced.  i mean, is there
really a better pistol than the 1911?


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles

[Gary Hurst]

1911 is made my many companies, originally and most famously colt.  It is a
John Browning design.

On 10/26/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Gary,
Thought the 1911 was made by Colt..

Mike
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> yes, closed doors.  there are lots of efforts to find someone to take
> over, so there is some hope.
>
> the 94 was a john browning design and would be the lever action we
> would generally have the greatest familiarity with. it's a sweet gun,
> but you find most of them in 30-30, which is just not that interesting
> a cartridge for me.
>
> the gun is of such worth that it was produced up until the factory
> closed its doors a few months ago.  so many of brownings guns are as
> useful today as they day they were first produced.  i mean, is there
> really a better pistol than the 1911?
>
> On 10/25/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> It was released in 1894 so the West was essentially won although by
then
>> although there continued to be minor skirmishes - Poncho Via (sp?) for
>> one
>> and I believe Teddy Roosevelt used some during the San Juan
>> unpleasantness
>> although the mod 1903 bolt action was the standard USA issue.  Some
>> powers
>> that (used to) be believed soldiers would waste ammo if given the means
>> to
>> lay down a lot of lead!  The opposite is preferable, of course.
>>  Anyway, -
>> the Mod. 94 is the last iteration of the Winchester Level action - the
>> same
>> design continued to be produced until the early 90s although Win
modified
>> it
>> somewhat to attract new customers.  I have one called Ranger in 30-30
>> which
>> is the same as the old Mod. 94 except for lacking the hooded front
sight
>> and
>> having slightly shorter barrel. Similar mods were released occassional
>> during the years since 1894.  At least that's how I remember it without
>> having to resort to the history books --
>>
>> The Winchester factory in Conn. recently closed its doors for good it
>> appears.
>>
>> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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>> >> sadly, lever action cavalry guns are no longer made under the
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>> >> them, most notably Marlin.  lightweight, easy handling and very fast
>> >> for
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>> >> shoot
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>> >> out against gang bangers with full auto AK-47s), they remain today a
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[MBZ] Brake booster woes

[Curt Raymond]

The power brakes on my 190D get a little worse every time its a little colder. 
Today they took a good mile or two before they were real reliable.
I'm going to start troubleshooting and replacing but first;
The vacuum hose to the brake booster is a different kind of hose than that 
which goes to the shutoff valve. Its twice the diameter and plastic. I *think* 
my other cars have had similar stuff but I'm not sure. One place where it goes 
through a bracket has abraded some, I imagine there should be a gromet there... 
I plan to replace it. I can't find anything on Rusty's site other than regular 
vacuum hose. What should I get?

Thanks
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Kinda like Dr. Ferdinand Porshe designed cars for several companies, 
including MB

At 08:46 AM 10/26/2006, you wrote:
>1911 is made my many companies, originally and most famously colt.  It is a
>John Browning design.

[MBZ] 124 front speakers

[Loren Faeth]

Has anyone removed the front speakers in a 124?  I assume the grille comes 
up and the speakers come out the top.  Anyone BTDT?  any advice will be 
appriciated.  TIA


Loren
88 TE
et al




Loren Faeth 

Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles

[Gary Hurst]

yes, kinda like.  while there is a company called "browning" that bears his
name, nearly all browning designs were not sold under the browning name.
comparisons to the elder porsche are appropriate.

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Kinda like Dr. Ferdinand Porshe designed cars for several companies,
including MB

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>1911 is made my many companies, originally and most famously colt.  It is
a
>John Browning design.


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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Old Mercedes Spotted

[andrew strasfogel]

Looks like a 300SC (?) coupe (not a cabriolet).

I'll give them $501 for it (pre-emptively outbidding Kaleb).



On 10/26/06, Potter, Tom E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


THAT is a beautiful vehicle. If only...

Tom Potter

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> Spotted this in Wilmington, Ohio yesturday.  Photo attached. Hopefully

> Kaleb
> will let it be posted.  My guess it is a mid fifties 300Sc Caborlet.
Not
> quite sure what such a nice car is doing sitting outside.
>
> Regards,
> Robert Massmann
> Wilmington, Ohio
> 87 190D 2.5 Turbo 205K?
> 85 300CD 327K
> 82 300D 327K
> 81 VW Rabbit Pickup 210K (Diesel)
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Re: [MBZ] RustyQ 2006

[Bob Rentfro]

Sohow 'bout a Koozie cup holders in my next order since I can't make it 
down (refueling outages suck)?


Bob Rentfro...many, many miles away


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Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 12:16 PM
Subject: [MBZ] RustyQ 2006


It is only days away. The RSVP list is up to 60 now. The address is 4522
Kingsgate Drive, Dunwoody, GA 30338. My cell is 770-490-7320 if anyone
has questions. The Koozie Cup Holders are silver & black this year. Make
sure you get them while you're here. Hurst, aka Dr. Fatty, is tipping
the scales at 600 pounds and hasn't cut his hair in 2 ½ years. It's
worth the trip just to see him, whether you like barbeque or not! Come
on and make the trip, what else is there to do on a Saturday afternoon?


Rusty Cullens
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Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, Final warning before entire list goes into moderation state

[Bob Rentfro]

Yes...he said he would wait awhile and jump back in.

Bob

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did you let him know?

Bob Rentfro wrote:


I'll let him know...

Bob Rentfro



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Re: [MBZ] Brake booster woes

[Rusty]

It's $42.50 and not on my site.

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Subject: [MBZ] Brake booster woes

The power brakes on my 190D get a little worse every time its a little
colder. Today they took a good mile or two before they were real
reliable.
I'm going to start troubleshooting and replacing but first;
The vacuum hose to the brake booster is a different kind of hose than
that which goes to the shutoff valve. Its twice the diameter and
plastic. I *think* my other cars have had similar stuff but I'm not
sure. One place where it goes through a bracket has abraded some, I
imagine there should be a gromet there... I plan to replace it. I can't
find anything on Rusty's site other than regular vacuum hose. What
should I get?

Thanks
-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] RustyQ 2006

[Rusty]

You got it.

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Sohow 'bout a Koozie cup holders in my next order since I can't make
it 
down (refueling outages suck)?

Bob Rentfro...many, many miles away


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Subject: [MBZ] RustyQ 2006


It is only days away. The RSVP list is up to 60 now. The address is 4522
Kingsgate Drive, Dunwoody, GA 30338. My cell is 770-490-7320 if anyone
has questions. The Koozie Cup Holders are silver & black this year. Make
sure you get them while you're here. Hurst, aka Dr. Fatty, is tipping
the scales at 600 pounds and hasn't cut his hair in 2 ½ years. It's
worth the trip just to see him, whether you like barbeque or not! Come
on and make the trip, what else is there to do on a Saturday afternoon?


Rusty Cullens
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Re: [MBZ] RustyQ 2006

[Bob Rentfro]

Sweet!  Order incoming...

Bob

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You got it.

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Sohow 'bout a Koozie cup holders in my next order since I can't make
it
down (refueling outages suck)?

Bob Rentfro...many, many miles away


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Subject: [MBZ] RustyQ 2006


It is only days away. The RSVP list is up to 60 now. The address is 4522
Kingsgate Drive, Dunwoody, GA 30338. My cell is 770-490-7320 if anyone
has questions. The Koozie Cup Holders are silver & black this year. Make
sure you get them while you're here. Hurst, aka Dr. Fatty, is tipping
the scales at 600 pounds and hasn't cut his hair in 2 ½ years. It's
worth the trip just to see him, whether you like barbeque or not! Come
on and make the trip, what else is there to do on a Saturday afternoon?


Rusty Cullens
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Re: [MBZ] 124 front speakers

[Alex Chamberlain]

On 10/26/06, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Has anyone removed the front speakers in a 124?  I assume the grille comes
up and the speakers come out the top.  Anyone BTDT?  any advice will be
appriciated.  TIA


Loren, if your '88 is like my '87, the angled trim strip to the inside
of the grille can be pried up.  There are two screws underneath.  A
stubby screwdriver and a helper with small hands will help to get them
out---there isn't much clearance between the windshield and dash at
that point.  After that the grille comes out pretty easily---it has to
be slid towards the inside, out from under some trim at the A-pillar,
and then up.  At that point I think it's obvious how to get the
speakers themselves out.  I seem to remember that they're just held in
by friction, but replacements will probably have to be screwed down
into new holes unless you shell out for the Rainbows that are an exact
fit (i.e. $$$).

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Re: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications

[Gary Hurst]

a lot of those are pretty nice.  plenty with indoor pools, which is always a
big plus with kids

On 10/25/06, Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I have a Holiday Inn Express down the street.

Rick Knoble
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'87 190 DT

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Re: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications

[Gary Hurst]

oh my god.  you can get a degree in THAT?

On 10/26/06, BillR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


100% of a doctorate in third world development and human rights -
providing
absolutely nothing to do with mechanical knowledge except an appreciation
of
those who can work on them, and a bit of what is appropriate in a
development project.
Just about any doctorate [out of the sciences/engineering] is an admission
of having a compulsive disorder of some sort IMHO.
BillR
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1981 300SD  280k

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Ha! 15/16ths of a bachelors in philosophy and 3/4ths of a bachelors in
chemistry - trump that!

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Re: [MBZ] Brake booster woes

[Craig McCluskey]

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:45:25 -0400 "Rusty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It's $42.50 and not on my site.

I.e., call him at (800) 741-5252 to order.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles

[Curt Raymond]

I didn't think the 94 was chambered in pistol cartridges like the 38-40 
although it may have been.
The 38-55 is a much longer cartridge although it uses the same diameter bullets.
It was good on most large game out to about 100 yards although its a bit small 
for moose.
It was also quite popular as a paper puncher out to 200 yards because of its 
flat tradjectory.

-Curt

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My dad had a lever action Winchester 38-40 for a while. I remember it
having an octagonal barrel, and it used a short cartridge. It was nice,
but we could not use it for hunting in the lowlands of NC. 

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Yup, Rusty got me a better deal on injector lines than the dealer could a 
couple weeks ago.
I hate to call just to banter around questions like this so I pose them here 
first.

I need injector line clips too, Fred sent me pictures of his having 5 clips, my 
car had 1 and it was broken... Guess thats why the line broke.

So $42.50 gets me the hose, I presume theres a grommet too or is it included? I 
imagine its a tight fit on the line.

-Curt

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> It's $42.50 and not on my site.

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Heading out to the RustyQ, be back Monday.
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Re: [MBZ] Brake booster woes

[Rusty]

It looks like the grommet is on the hose. I don't see one being sold
separately.


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Yup, Rusty got me a better deal on injector lines than the dealer could
a couple weeks ago.
I hate to call just to banter around questions like this so I pose them
here first.

I need injector line clips too, Fred sent me pictures of his having 5
clips, my car had 1 and it was broken... Guess thats why the line broke.

So $42.50 gets me the hose, I presume theres a grommet too or is it
included? I imagine its a tight fit on the line.

-Curt

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On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:45:25 -0400 "Rusty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> It's $42.50 and not on my site.

I.e., call him at (800) 741-5252 to order.


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles

[Potter, Tom E]

I am not sure whether it was a 94 or not. I remember the bullets being
flat on the end--not pointed.

Tom Potter

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I didn't think the 94 was chambered in pistol cartridges like the 38-40
although it may have been.
The 38-55 is a much longer cartridge although it uses the same diameter
bullets.
It was good on most large game out to about 100 yards although its a bit
small for moose.
It was also quite popular as a paper puncher out to 200 yards because of
its flat tradjectory.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:29:09 -0500
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My dad had a lever action Winchester 38-40 for a while. I remember it
having an octagonal barrel, and it used a short cartridge. It was nice,
but we could not use it for hunting in the lowlands of NC. 

Tom Potter


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Re: [MBZ] heading out

[Potter, Tom E]

Have a safe trip and have fun. I wish I could make it. Maybe next year.

Tom Potter

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Heading out to the RustyQ, be back Monday.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles

[Mike Canfield]

AH.That clears it up.  Brilliant man that Mr. Browning.

Mike
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1911 is made my many companies, originally and most famously colt.  It is 
a

John Browning design.

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Gary,
Thought the 1911 was made by Colt..

Mike
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> yes, closed doors.  there are lots of efforts to find someone to take
> over, so there is some hope.
>
> the 94 was a john browning design and would be the lever action we
> would generally have the greatest familiarity with. it's a sweet gun,
> but you find most of them in 30-30, which is just not that interesting
> a cartridge for me.
>
> the gun is of such worth that it was produced up until the factory
> closed its doors a few months ago.  so many of brownings guns are as
> useful today as they day they were first produced.  i mean, is there
> really a better pistol than the 1911?
>
> On 10/25/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> It was released in 1894 so the West was essentially won although by
then
>> although there continued to be minor skirmishes - Poncho Via (sp?) for
>> one
>> and I believe Teddy Roosevelt used some during the San Juan
>> unpleasantness
>> although the mod 1903 bolt action was the standard USA issue.  Some
>> powers
>> that (used to) be believed soldiers would waste ammo if given the 
>> means

>> to
>> lay down a lot of lead!  The opposite is preferable, of course.
>>  Anyway, -
>> the Mod. 94 is the last iteration of the Winchester Level action - the
>> same
>> design continued to be produced until the early 90s although Win
modified
>> it
>> somewhat to attract new customers.  I have one called Ranger in 30-30
>> which
>> is the same as the old Mod. 94 except for lacking the hooded front
sight
>> and
>> having slightly shorter barrel. Similar mods were released occassional
>> during the years since 1894.  At least that's how I remember it 
>> without

>> having to resort to the history books --
>>
>> The Winchester factory in Conn. recently closed its doors for good it
>> appears.
>>
>> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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>> - Original Message -
>> From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:05 PM
>> Subject: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles. was Kettle, pot, black,this is getting
>> old
>> real quick
>>
>>
>> > So, where does the Winchester 94 fit in the scheme of things
>> > historical?
>> >
>> > On 10/25/06, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> 1873 winchester repeating rifles.  the guns that won the west.
>> >>
>> >> when the james-younger gang went to northfield, MN, to rob the 
>> >> bank,

>> >> the
>> >> locals met them with 1873 winchesters.  guess who won that fight?
>> >>
>> >> sadly, lever action cavalry guns are no longer made under the
>> >> winchester
>> >> name.  the tradition is hard to kill, though, and many continue to
>> >> make
>> >> them, most notably Marlin.  lightweight, easy handling and very 
>> >> fast

>> >> for
>> >> their time (but not fast for today, so don't take your lever gun to
>> >> shoot
>> >> it
>> >> out against gang bangers with full auto AK-47s), they remain today 
>> >> a

>> >> very
>> >> useful "brush" gun and are as good as anything at all inside of 100
>> >> yards.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > OK Don, KD5NRO
>> > Norman, OK
>> > "The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've
>> > exhausted all the alternatives."
>> > Sir Winston Churchill
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Old Mercedes Spotted

[BillR]

Beautiful!
BillR

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> Spotted this in Wilmington, Ohio yesturday.  Photo attached. Hopefully 
> Kaleb
> will let it be posted.  My guess it is a mid fifties 300Sc Caborlet. Not
> quite sure what such a nice car is doing sitting outside.
>
> Regards,
> Robert Massmann
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> 82 300D 327K
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles

[Gary Hurst]

lever actions can't feed spitzer type bullets.  the paradigm for lever
actions are flat and kinda stumpy up against flat and stumpy.  that's why
you see all the lever actions in 30-30 and not 30 '06.

On 10/26/06, Potter, Tom E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I am not sure whether it was a 94 or not. I remember the bullets being
flat on the end--not pointed.

Tom Potter

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I didn't think the 94 was chambered in pistol cartridges like the 38-40
although it may have been.
The 38-55 is a much longer cartridge although it uses the same diameter
bullets.
It was good on most large game out to about 100 yards although its a bit
small for moose.
It was also quite popular as a paper puncher out to 200 yards because of
its flat tradjectory.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:29:09 -0500
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My dad had a lever action Winchester 38-40 for a while. I remember it
having an octagonal barrel, and it used a short cartridge. It was nice,
but we could not use it for hunting in the lowlands of NC.

Tom Potter


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Re: [MBZ] RustyQ 2006

[BillR]

Didn't realize you were so close, but SWMBO is having some medical issues at
the moment and I am needed for home IV and dressing changes until past the
weekend of the event.  Maybe next year.
BillR

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You got it.

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Sohow 'bout a Koozie cup holders in my next order since I can't make
it 
down (refueling outages suck)?

Bob Rentfro...many, many miles away


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Subject: [MBZ] RustyQ 2006


It is only days away. The RSVP list is up to 60 now. The address is 4522
Kingsgate Drive, Dunwoody, GA 30338. My cell is 770-490-7320 if anyone
has questions. The Koozie Cup Holders are silver & black this year. Make
sure you get them while you're here. Hurst, aka Dr. Fatty, is tipping
the scales at 600 pounds and hasn't cut his hair in 2 ½ years. It's
worth the trip just to see him, whether you like barbeque or not! Come
on and make the trip, what else is there to do on a Saturday afternoon?


Rusty Cullens
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Re: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications

[BillR]

Yes, you can [I could even send you a pic of the diploma section of my
office wall ...].  It is amazing what you can get a degree in with some $$
and [in my case] ten years to develop the project and write the appropriate
thesis [in between a full time work and 4 kids].  Beats getting a REAL job,
anyway.
BillR 

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oh my god.  you can get a degree in THAT?

On 10/26/06, BillR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 100% of a doctorate in third world development and human rights -
> providing
> absolutely nothing to do with mechanical knowledge except an appreciation
> of
> those who can work on them, and a bit of what is appropriate in a
> development project.
> Just about any doctorate [out of the sciences/engineering] is an admission
> of having a compulsive disorder of some sort IMHO.
> BillR
> Jacksonville FL
> 1981 300SD  280k
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:31 PM
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>
> Ha! 15/16ths of a bachelors in philosophy and 3/4ths of a bachelors in
> chemistry - trump that!
>
> On 10/25/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 2/3 of a Masters in Geology.  Take that!
> >
>
>
> --
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> Norman, OK
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> exhausted all the alternatives."
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Re: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications

[Gary Hurst]

can i get one in eating sandwiches?

On 10/26/06, BillR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Yes, you can [I could even send you a pic of the diploma section of my
office wall ...].  It is amazing what you can get a degree in with some $$
and [in my case] ten years to develop the project and write the
appropriate
thesis [in between a full time work and 4 kids].  Beats getting a REAL
job,
anyway.
BillR

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oh my god.  you can get a degree in THAT?

On 10/26/06, BillR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 100% of a doctorate in third world development and human rights -
> providing
> absolutely nothing to do with mechanical knowledge except an
appreciation
> of
> those who can work on them, and a bit of what is appropriate in a
> development project.
> Just about any doctorate [out of the sciences/engineering] is an
admission
> of having a compulsive disorder of some sort IMHO.
> BillR
> Jacksonville FL
> 1981 300SD  280k
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
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> On Behalf Of OK Don
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:31 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications
>
> Ha! 15/16ths of a bachelors in philosophy and 3/4ths of a bachelors in
> chemistry - trump that!
>
> On 10/25/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 2/3 of a Masters in Geology.  Take that!
> >
>
>
> --
> OK Don, KD5NRO
> Norman, OK
> "The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've
> exhausted all the alternatives."
> Sir Winston Churchill
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Re: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications

[OK Don]

It's a long story, but includes medical school not requiring a degree,
only the prerequisites, not being accepted, working in photography and
publications, getting married, kids, all of that. I'm now an IT
engineer (the calculus helped me meet the MQ's). A degree doesn't seem
that important now. I have the education, just not the paper (140+
hours).

On 10/26/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hey OK Don, I am skeptical of your fractional "accomplishments".  Somewhere
in there you had to achieve 100 percent of a B.A. degree.

I can!  Since you mention it, I achieved 1/16 of a B.S. in chemistry, which
is 11/16 more pitiful than your failure to reach closure.

Also, my undergrad Geology degree is a B.A. and not a B.S. - how sad is
that?



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Norman, OK
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Re: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications

[Zeitgeist]

I is really really smart.

On 10/24/06, Michael Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


So Curt, what are YOUR qualifications?



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Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles

[Potter, Tom E]

I never really thought about it before, but it sure makes sense upon
reflection. Those little pointy bullets probably would not work well
jammed up against another center fire cartridge--or maybe they would
work too well. I learn something every day.

Tom Potter

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lever actions can't feed spitzer type bullets.  the paradigm for lever
actions are flat and kinda stumpy up against flat and stumpy.  that's
why
you see all the lever actions in 30-30 and not 30 '06.

On 10/26/06, Potter, Tom E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I am not sure whether it was a 94 or not. I remember the bullets being
> flat on the end--not pointed.
>
> Tom Potter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:17 AM
> To: Diesel List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles
>
>
> I didn't think the 94 was chambered in pistol cartridges like the
38-40
> although it may have been.
> The 38-55 is a much longer cartridge although it uses the same
diameter
> bullets.
> It was good on most large game out to about 100 yards although its a
bit
> small for moose.
> It was also quite popular as a paper puncher out to 200 yards because
of
> its flat tradjectory.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:29:09 -0500
> From: "Potter, Tom  E" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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> My dad had a lever action Winchester 38-40 for a while. I remember it
> having an octagonal barrel, and it used a short cartridge. It was
nice,
> but we could not use it for hunting in the lowlands of NC.
>
> Tom Potter
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles

[Curt Raymond]

Thats because the cartridge was centerfire and the rifle probably had tubular 
magazine.
If you used pointed bullets in a tubular mag its quite possible one of the 
bullets would strike the primer
of the cartridge in front of it hard enough to set it off. That'd be as they 
say "bad".
So almost all lever guns used flat bullets.

The exception I can think of offhand was the Savage model 99 which used a 
rotary magazine. I've got one I inherited from my Grandfather chambered in .300 
Savage.
IIRC it was reputed to be the smoothest levergun ever.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:29:00 -0500
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I am not sure whether it was a 94 or not. I remember the bullets being
flat on the end--not pointed.

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Too broad a statement I think... Witness the Savage 99 like I mentioned before. 
.300 Savage is alot more like 30.06 than 30-30.

The bullet thing is alot more about the magazine than the action.
I think what you mean is that a lever gun's action favors a rimmed cartridge 
like 30-30 vs a rimless like 30.06.
Thats true but I think mostly because of the way the extractors worked on older 
lever guns which was partly because of metalurgy.
Most old lever guns throw the case straight up. Easy to design, and reliable, 
bad if you want a scope and difficult to do with a rimless cartridge.
Newer guns side eject, more difficult to design and implement, better for 
scopes and makes use of a rimless case much easier.

-Curt

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lever actions can't feed spitzer type bullets.  the paradigm for lever
actions are flat and kinda stumpy up against flat and stumpy.  that's 
why
you see all the lever actions in 30-30 and not 30 '06.


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Re: [MBZ] 124 front speakers

[Loren Faeth]

Thanks.  I found a pocket knife blade was effective between the trim strip 
and the grille to pry up the trim strip.  Your guidance was enough to get 
me started.  Should have some sound in a day or three.


Loren

At 09:58 AM 10/26/2006, you wrote:

Loren, if your '88 is like my '87, the angled trim strip to the inside
of the grille can be pried up.  There are two screws underneath.  A
stubby screwdriver and a helper with small hands will help to get them
out---there isn't much clearance between the windshield and dash at
that point.  After that the grille comes out pretty easily---it has to
be slid towards the inside, out from under some trim at the A-pillar,
and then up.  At that point I think it's obvious how to get the
speakers themselves out.  I seem to remember that they're just held in
by friction, but replacements will probably have to be screwed down
into new holes unless you shell out for the Rainbows that are an exact
fit (i.e. $$$).

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo


Loren Faeth 

Re: [MBZ] 1990 300SE - Head Gasket

[LarryT]

Hi Les,
Its hard to say if $1000 is fair without knowing the prevailing labor rate 
in your area.  But think of what's involved.  The fuel injection and intake 
system must come off - the exhaust must be released, the distr removed with 
the wires, the cam covers removed, the timing chain released, the head bolts 
removed carefully, then the head can be removed.
The head is then lifted off and a machine shop checks the mating surface for 
flatness.  If needed it will be stripped of components and the mating 
surface machined until it is perfectly flat.  Then it is reassembled and 
back at the shop.


While the head is being done, the shop is inspecting the engine and draining 
the cooling system and flushing the oil to remove all water.  This must be 
done quickly before the water starts damaging the soft metals.  The mating 
surface of the engine top is also inspected for flatness but it does not 
often attention.


Then the components are reassembed.  Cam timing must be done, The timing 
chain must aling properly with the components it engages, etc.


If the labor rate is $100/hour they'll only be working 10 hours before 
reaching $1000 - they'll be working pretty quickly.


I don't recall how many hours it takes to do this work - it would take me 
longer than 10 hours but I'm old, slow and careful.  A shop that does this 
all the time should do it pretty quick.  But IMO, 10 hours is pretty quick.


HTH's

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Dear Mz Friends,
I have an offer to replace a head gasket on my 1990 300SE at $1,000. How 
does that sound?
What's the probability of the head being warped? The car overheated but 
never pegged the temp guage. I have oil mixed in the anti-freeze but not 
the other way around.
If the head is warped - what additional costs can I expect (i.e. to have 
the same shop do it when it is down with the head gasket replacement?

Thanks very much,
Les
Boston

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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:02:29 -0700
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the 94 was a john browning design and would be the lever action we
would generally have the greatest familiarity with. it's a sweet gun,
but you find most of them in 30-30, which is just not that interesting
a cartridge for me.


I have one in .44 mag. I like .44 mag, don't ask me why. I prefer
the medium loads, not the hot stuff. If I was after deer, the 30-30
would be a better choice (in 94's) I'm sure. I don't have one of
those, but I do have a pot-gun in 45-70/.22 that's probably good
for taking rabbit-chasing deer. Get the rabbit for lunch, and
the deer for dinner! (I don't hunt, however. Only old Mercedes.)


useful today as they day they were first produced. i mean, is there
really a better pistol than the 1911?


Sure. Depends on your purpose, of course. For swimming armed in
salt water it's hard to beat a Glock, for example. For pure esthetics,
though, the 1911 is pretty sweet. Your best bet is to own one of
everything!

-- Jim




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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:29:43 +0500
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the 300Se /103 engine seems to be sluggish from idle to about 2200RPM, 
then the acceleration is quite brisk.


the engine has freshly replaced electric consumables including the 
throttle plate potentiometer, fuel pump and filter.


I have slightly leaned out then richened 

Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles

[Loren Faeth]

There were 2 or three Brownings who designed firearms.  In Nauvoo, IL is 
the original Browning cabin, as part of the LDS tour of Nauvoo.  Yep, 
Browning was a member of what is now known as the LDS church.


At 10:43 AM 10/26/2006, you wrote:

AH.That clears it up.  Brilliant man that Mr. Browning.

Mike
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> 1911 is made my many companies, originally and most famously colt.  It is
> a
> John Browning design.
>
> On 10/26/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Gary,
>> Thought the 1911 was made by Colt..
>>
>> Mike
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 11:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles
>>
>>
>> > yes, closed doors.  there are lots of efforts to find someone to take
>> > over, so there is some hope.
>> >
>> > the 94 was a john browning design and would be the lever action we
>> > would generally have the greatest familiarity with. it's a sweet gun,
>> > but you find most of them in 30-30, which is just not that interesting
>> > a cartridge for me.
>> >
>> > the gun is of such worth that it was produced up until the factory
>> > closed its doors a few months ago.  so many of brownings guns are as
>> > useful today as they day they were first produced.  i mean, is there
>> > really a better pistol than the 1911?
>> >
>> > On 10/25/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> It was released in 1894 so the West was essentially won although by
>> then
>> >> although there continued to be minor skirmishes - Poncho Via (sp?) for
>> >> one
>> >> and I believe Teddy Roosevelt used some during the San Juan
>> >> unpleasantness
>> >> although the mod 1903 bolt action was the standard USA issue.  Some
>> >> powers
>> >> that (used to) be believed soldiers would waste ammo if given the
>> >> means
>> >> to
>> >> lay down a lot of lead!  The opposite is preferable, of course.
>> >>  Anyway, -
>> >> the Mod. 94 is the last iteration of the Winchester Level action - the
>> >> same
>> >> design continued to be produced until the early 90s although Win
>> modified
>> >> it
>> >> somewhat to attract new customers.  I have one called Ranger in 30-30
>> >> which
>> >> is the same as the old Mod. 94 except for lacking the hooded front
>> sight
>> >> and
>> >> having slightly shorter barrel. Similar mods were released occassional
>> >> during the years since 1894.  At least that's how I remember it
>> >> without
>> >> having to resort to the history books --
>> >>
>> >> The Winchester factory in Conn. recently closed its doors for good it
>> >> appears.
>> >>
>> >> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
>> >> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
>> >> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
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>> >> Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/
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>> >> - Original Message -
>> >> From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:05 PM
>> >> Subject: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles. was Kettle, pot, black,this is getting
>> >> old
>> >> real quick
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > So, where does the Winchester 94 fit in the scheme of things
>> >> > historical?
>> >> >
>> >> > On 10/25/06, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> 1873 winchester repeating rifles.  the guns that won the west.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> when the james-younger gang went to northfield, MN, to rob the
>> >> >> bank,
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> locals met them with 1873 winchesters.  guess who won that fight?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> sadly, lever action cavalry guns are no longer made under the
>> >> >> winchester
>> >> >> name.  the tradition is hard to kill, though, and many continue to
>> >> >> make
>> >> >> them, most notably Marlin.  lightweight, easy handling and very
>> >> >> fast
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> their time (but not fast for today, so don't take your lever gun to
>> >> >> shoot
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> out against gang bangers with full auto AK-47s), they remain today
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> very
>> >> >> useful "brush" gun and are as good as anything at all inside of 100
>> >> >> yards.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > OK Don, KD5NRO
>> >> > Norman, OK
>> >> > "The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've
>> >> > exhausted all the alternatives."
>> >> > Sir Winston Churchill
>> >> > '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
>> >> >
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Re: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications

[archer]

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Mensa; the difference being that Densans take an ignorance test while 
Mensans take an intelligence test.

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I is really really smart.

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So Curt, what are YOUR qualifications?



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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Old Mercedes Spotted

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Is that the original color? Looks  like 57 Chevy turquoise repaint. I
would only go $513 because of that. 
Dwight

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Re: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications

[andrew strasfogel]

My motto is "Why do it right the first time?"   Where do I sign up for
Densa?

On 10/26/06, archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Is anyone here a member of  Densa?  Densa is the sister organization of
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Mensans take an intelligence test.
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>> So Curt, what are YOUR qualifications?
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Old Mercedes Spotted

[andrew strasfogel]

Oh great, a bidding war.  :((

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Re: [MBZ] Now: Qualifications

[Rich Thomas]

Aren't you already a Republican?

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My motto is "Why do it right the first time?"   Where do I sign up for
Densa?

  
  

Re: [MBZ] 124 front speakers

[Howard Fulford]

On Thu, 26 Oct Loren Faeth wrote:
"Has anyone removed the front speakers in a 124?  I assume the grille comes
up and the speakers come out the top"

Loren

I did this recently on my W201 - I imagine that a W124 would be very similar

I needed to use a very small, and very short, Phillips screwdriver to undo
the two screws at the rear of the grille. The front of the grille 'pegs'
into the dash. Lift the rear up, and the grille back

My speakers lifted out, with a spring clip to hold them in



Howard Fulford
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England

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Re: [MBZ] Now: Qualifications

[Craig McCluskey]

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:42:01 -0500 Rich Thomas
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> Aren't you already a Republican?

Don't go there.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Now: Qualifications

[Harry Watkins]

I agree, don't go there, this list is reeling as it is.

Harry


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On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:42:01 -0500 Rich Thomas
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> Aren't you already a Republican?

Don't go there.


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Re: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications

[BillR]

Perhaps in the nutritional components and their relation to RDA, with a few
chapters on the development and biases of the RDA itself.  I would suggest
an in-depth analysis of differences in gastric chemistry of test subjects,
relating that to the overall nutritional effectiveness of the components of
the sandwiches, with a differentiation study of male/female, Anglo, Asian,
etc.  You will, of course, want to pay special attention to the residue of
the test products as well as blood chemistry of the test subjects.  Bonus
points for the changes of those chemistries with bulimia. Then, of course,
you need a thesis and you need to demonstrate that it actually does - or
could - make a difference somewhere by designing and doing a project.  Give
it a year to set up after you have mastered the chemistry and nutrition
involved, identified levels of sandwich use in different communities, and
found an accredited degree granting institution that will monitor the
program and grant the degree.  As a bonus, as Larry the cable guy suggests,
at least teach the ESL fast food connections you make some d**m English,
such as the proper way to say sammich.  Good luck.  
You can also get a doctorate for $20 or so over the internet if that seems
too much effort ...
Seek for hidden meaning in the third sentence ...
BillR 

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can i get one in eating sandwiches?

On 10/26/06, BillR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yes, you can [I could even send you a pic of the diploma section of my
> office wall ...].  It is amazing what you can get a degree in with some $$
> and [in my case] ten years to develop the project and write the
> appropriate
> thesis [in between a full time work and 4 kids].  Beats getting a REAL
> job,
> anyway.
> BillR
>
> -Original Message-
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> On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:01 AM
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>
> oh my god.  you can get a degree in THAT?
>
> On 10/26/06, BillR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > 100% of a doctorate in third world development and human rights -
> > providing
> > absolutely nothing to do with mechanical knowledge except an
> appreciation
> > of
> > those who can work on them, and a bit of what is appropriate in a
> > development project.
> > Just about any doctorate [out of the sciences/engineering] is an
> admission
> > of having a compulsive disorder of some sort IMHO.
> > BillR
> > Jacksonville FL
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Re: [MBZ] Now: Qualifications

[Rusty]

Yes, let's try to keep it to cars mostly. And parts of course!

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I agree, don't go there, this list is reeling as it is.

Harry


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> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:42:01 -0500 Rich Thomas
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> Don't go there.
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Re: [MBZ] Now: Qualifications

[Zeitgeist]

What a bunch of "party" poopers...

On 10/26/06, Harry Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I agree, don't go there, this list is reeling as it is.



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Re: [MBZ] Now: Qualifications

[Rich Thomas]

OK we know AS is nowhere near a Pubbie, that was some subtle irony, in 
no way intended to offend, start flames, send the list off to the ozone 
(well, maybe not the ozone, that is too controversial), or whatever.  IT 
WAS A JOKE!!!  Lame maybe, but there you go.  I kinda like pinging ALL 
my friends and colleagues with stuff that is not mean or personal -- I 
get plenty back too!  It's all meant as respectful joshing among people 
who are confident in their own selves.  Caint we all jus git along and 
laugh at ourselves and others?  Some people are just way way way too 
sensitive or self-important or touchy or something.  I thought anyone 
driving some old diesel or other Benz would have plenty of time to 
ponder the subtleties and ironies of life as they motor along at a 
stately pace, or stare at the engine bay contemplating the vagaries of 
glow plugs or the logic of German engineering.  There's even guys here 
with Saabs and Volvos and Citroens fger cryin out loud.  Some stuff just 
aint worth the trouble it will cause to get upset about it.


Besides, I was going to say he was already a Demo, but thought it would 
be even less subtle and I might have to explain it to y'all.


--R

Zeitgeist wrote:

What a bunch of "party" poopers...

On 10/26/06, Harry Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I agree, don't go there, this list is reeling as it is.

Aren't you already a Republican?

--R

andrew strasfogel wrote:
My motto is "Why do it right the first time?"   Where do I sign up for
Densa?

Re: [MBZ] sluggish running 300Se.

[Hendrik Riessen]

The chain in the 103 is reputed to be a relatively reliable item, when I 
mean relative I am speaking of the M102 which formed the basis of 103.
The 103 is a smoother, more balanced motor that does not chew chains as much 
as the 102.
If you don't mind me asking Peter, what forms your basis for stating that 
misadjusted valves influence the motor in such a way? From what I know 
misadjusted valves tend to behave the same across the rev range, sure more 
noticable at low revs but affect the engine at all revs. Poor fuel economy 
is a sign of valves out of adjustment.
However this is not to say that they do not wear. Any idea of how much work 
the chain has done?
In my experience these motors do tend to be a bit sluggish at low rpm's but 
work better in the higher rev range. This is part of the design.
One thing to check is the timing advance and retard, as far as I know this 
is all done by the little black box which sits in the engine bay, on my 201 
there is a vaccum line going to it. Does yours have a vaccy line?
The other possibility is fuel supply(not pump or filter but the fuel 
distributor sensor plate sticking) or perhaps wonky O2 sensor. I have 
recently build a tester for the O2 sensor and seeing that they are cheap to 
make, I may hardwire one into my 201.


Hendrik

- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Frederick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] sluggish running 300Se.



Check the timing chain, they dont' last all that long in an M103
(single row chain!), and your symptoms sound a great deal like late
valve timing -- the power is still there, but it doesn't show up until
high rpm.

Peter

Re: [MBZ] Fw: Old Mercedes Spotted

[Hendrik Riessen]

Look even nicer in a bright red paintjob, personally I'd be too scared to 
drive it for fear of damaging it.

Guess that is why I drive bargain bin Mercs.

- Original Message - 
From: "BillR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 1:37 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Old Mercedes Spotted



Beautiful!
BillR

-Original Message-

Re: [MBZ] Brake booster woes

[Peter Frederick]

Brake booster to vac pump line, you may have to call.  Comes with the 
screw fittings on each end, only available as the complete part.


Check to make sure the booster itself holds vac before buying a new one.

Peter

Re: [MBZ] 124 front speakers

[Peter Frederick]

Carefully lift the trim strip beside the grille with a putty knife 
(dull, please!).  In snaps in place.  Underneath are two screws, on 
nearly straight up a the rear and one at a sharp angle in the front.  
Speakers themselves are held in place by a set of spring clips.


Don't drop the wire down inside the dash, there are sharp bits down 
there


Peter

Re: [MBZ] sluggish running 300Se.

[Peter Frederick]

They are not misadjusted, they are opening and closing late in relation 
to crank/piston position and ignition timing.  This interferes with air 
flow quite a bit at low charge density/low velocity.  The effect is 
much less as the charge density goes up and the velocity in the intake 
runners increases.


The M103 chain is a weak sister -- they only last 100,000 miles under 
the best conditions (synthetic oil) and will wear sooner if you use 
dino oil.


It is exactly the same chain as the M102 and is pulling four more 
valves...


Peter

Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles

[Kris Gilmore]

At 01:37 PM 10/26/2006, Tom Potter wrote:

I never really thought about it before, but it sure makes sense upon
reflection. Those little pointy bullets probably would not work well
jammed up against another center fire cartridge--


 Except, just for the record, the Hornady folks have developed a 
bullet they say will 
work. http.//www.hornady.com/story.php?s=198Still looks scary to me.


 Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV

 It is the duty of the old to lie to the young.

Re: [MBZ] Now: Qualifications

[Bob Rentfro]

Way to jump in there in Kaleb's stead, Rusty.

Bob R

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From: "Rusty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:45 PM
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Yes, let's try to keep it to cars mostly. And parts of course!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harry Watkins
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 4:30 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Now: Qualifications

I agree, don't go there, this list is reeling as it is.

Harry


On 10/26/06, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:42:01 -0500 Rich Thomas
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Aren't you already a Republican?

Don't go there.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Old Rifles

[Gary Hurst]

guess the lesson is that you need a mauser



On 10/26/06, Kris Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


At 01:37 PM 10/26/2006, Tom Potter wrote:
>I never really thought about it before, but it sure makes sense upon
>reflection. Those little pointy bullets probably would not work well
>jammed up against another center fire cartridge--

 Except, just for the record, the Hornady folks have developed a
bullet they say will
work. http.//www.hornady.com/story.php?s=198Still looks scary to
me.

 Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV

 It is the duty of the old to lie to the young.






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[MBZ] 1976 450SL for sale

[Walt Lasher]

I saw a 1976 450SL in at the St Vincent De Paul sales lot today.  I have
Pictures if interested
Vin 1070441203380
118,321 miles
Gold/Black inside  Gold has been repainted
They want 12,995. Owned by the last guy since 1998
New rubber.
Their phone is 425-212-3263  Fax 425-212-3267
Cell 425-754-6788
www.voacars.com 
This is in Everett, Washington. 230 miles North of Seattle

I didn’t see any rust, seats are worn but I didn’t see any rips in the
leather. He said the “Boss”
drove it for a couple weeks and it ran fine.
I took a few pictures of the outside, inside, trunk and engine compartments.
There are NO RECORDS but the engine was clean.

Re: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications

[David Brodbeck]

I have no qualifications.  I've owned exactly one Mercedes, which means
that when I opine something is true, I may be the blind man who is
feeling the elephant's tail and declaring it to be a snake.

Re: [MBZ] OT. Saab 95/96

[David Brodbeck]

archer wrote:
> During the 1950s a neighbor had a three cylinder two stroke German Auto 
> Union which he said the Saab was a copy of.  I've often wondered if that was 
> true.  I drove it on several long trips and it seemed to have plenty of 
> power IIRC.
>   

Well, remember, a two-cycle has twice the power strokes per rev of a
four-cycle, so a 3-cylinder two-cycle should run a lot like a four-cycle
V6.  I've never driven a two-cycle car but I'm curious.  Two-cycle
diesels used to be common in big trucks and are still used (on a massive
scale) in ships.

Re: [MBZ] TOTALLY OT: need lame Saab stuff

[David Brodbeck]

OK Don wrote:
> I think the flat rate for a complete engine overhaul, including R&R,
> was eight hours. ( could be wrong - this was 35 years ago).
>   

Didn't R&R in that car go something like, 'remove bolts, reach in and
grab engine, yank out?' ;)

Re: [MBZ] loop style glow plug retrofit options?

[David Brodbeck]

Jim Cathey wrote:
> If solid was good enough for the toaster racks, why not just get some
> nice 10ga or 12ga solid household wire from Home Despot?
>   

Should be okay if you treat it like you would injector lines -- make
sure it's not under stress and not going to be flexed.  Copper
work-hardens and becomes brittle when it flexes.  I would use stranded
from the first plug in the 'chain' to the relay.  VWs are wired roughly
this way, with a copper bus bar that lays across the tops of the plugs
and connects them together.

Re: [MBZ] TOTALLY OT: need lame Saab stuff

[OK Don]

Yup! I think there were a couple of wires also ---

On 10/26/06, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Didn't R&R in that car go something like, 'remove bolts, reach in and
grab engine, yank out?' ;)



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exhausted all the alternatives."
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Re: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications

[archer]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Densa&btnG=Google+Search
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Densa

- Original Message - 
From: "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



My motto is "Why do it right the first time?"   Where do I sign up for
Densa?

On 10/26/06, archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Is anyone here a member of  Densa?  Densa is the sister organization of
Mensa; the difference being that Densans take an ignorance test while
Mensans take an intelligence test.
Gerry  (20 year member of Densa)
-

- Original Message -
From: "Zeitgeist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


>I is really really smart.
>
> On 10/24/06, Michael Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> So Curt, what are YOUR qualifications?
>>
>>
> Casey
> Olympia, WA
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> '87 300TD intercooler/propane injection #22 (219k)
> '84 300D (218k)
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> '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
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